Speaker 1: This is Hudson River Radio dot Com.
Speaker 2: Well, hello out there in podcast land and beyond wherever
Speaker 2: beyond is these days. Maxie Margarubin along with my co
Speaker 2: host Malcolm Berman, and this is the Many Shades of Green,
Speaker 2: our program that adds a dash of green into your
Speaker 2: life as we engage in conversations that move to inform, educate, activate,
Speaker 2: and raise your eco and social consciousness through culture, politics, music, art, science,
Speaker 2: and community also history. My add we hope to inspire
Speaker 2: you to pick a shede of green and become a
Speaker 2: steward of this beautiful, blue, green planet we call Earth.
Speaker 2: So there's a lot of folk here today, so I'll
Speaker 2: start with my co host Malcolm. Hi, mal And we
Speaker 2: got we got George, we have Yolanda, we have Jim
Speaker 2: uh ge Man, we have Golda and Niel's in the
Speaker 2: back orchestrating all of this. So thank you, Neil, and
Speaker 2: welcome to the Many Shades of Green. I'm I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do an intro song today which I've used in the past.
Speaker 2: I just just to hear the harmonies and some of
Speaker 2: the lyrics which pertains in ways to what we're going
Speaker 2: to talk about. Uh, because there's harmony amidst chaos, and
Speaker 2: this song just reverberates that message as it did in
Speaker 2: the late sixties when my brother Mitch wrote it. Some
Speaker 2: of the.
Speaker 3: People slam to the sound of the steam by good
Speaker 3: night sleep Wow, good night sleep Wow.
Speaker 4: Some people will sleep to the sound of the waves.
Speaker 1: On the show.
Speaker 3: Good night Sleep Wow, good night sleep well.
Speaker 4: Some people will sleep to the sound of the fall bombs.
Speaker 5: Save Wow.
Speaker 6: Sleep. And some people don't sleep bed.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 2: True in every way, incredible harmonies. That was just amazing
Speaker 2: when I first heard it. It blew me away, and
Speaker 2: it blew me away just now brings me to tears
Speaker 2: pretty much. So some people sleep, some people don't don't
Speaker 2: sleep at all, as it says, some people remain in
Speaker 2: their bubbles. Oh there's are proactive. Some people believe in lies,
Speaker 2: others want the truth.
Speaker 5: Some people believe in.
Speaker 2: Science, history, climate change, and fair elections. Others prefer to
Speaker 2: believe the cult leader and get joy out of other
Speaker 2: people's suffering. Some people prefer to take coverage in the
Speaker 2: Trojan Horse, while others take to the streets to protest
Speaker 2: and make good trouble. I believe that more of us
Speaker 2: want to do what's right. We want to have clean air, water, land,
Speaker 2: and want our children and grandchildren to live in a
Speaker 2: safe and beautiful world. All the question kind of arises,
Speaker 2: why don't we sleep, man, There's a lot of reasons.
Speaker 2: I think we keep getting hit by chaos and the
Speaker 2: news that just doesn't stop. We're living in imprecedented times,
Speaker 2: and we seem more divided than ever. Yet we hosted
Speaker 2: the US hosted the World Cup. Visitors from around the
Speaker 2: world experience joy here. Our global visitors enjoy the good
Speaker 2: news nature of the majority of Americans being helpful and welcoming,
Speaker 2: and in New York, some of them, some of the
Speaker 2: teams that came here became New York nick fans, so yay.
Speaker 2: People from around the world were expecting the worst, as
Speaker 2: they cited news reports of the USA being a total hellhole,
Speaker 2: and it can't be disputed because we are living in
Speaker 2: uncertain and difficult times. But it seems that when the
Speaker 2: world leaders were kind of absent from the picture during
Speaker 2: those two three weeks, the globe united in that time,
Speaker 2: which was quite amazing. So today's podcast, we're going to
Speaker 2: talk about divisions and what we need to do to
Speaker 2: take action to save our democracy. We must continue to protest.
Speaker 2: We must perhaps strike climate change is not a hoax
Speaker 2: and renewable energy is more important than ever. There are
Speaker 2: things we can learn from history of decades past, especially
Speaker 2: the sixties and seventies, and George's article, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you got to read that, folks. We're going to put
Speaker 2: the on the link later. So today's podcast, I'm happy
Speaker 2: to welcome back friends of the show who come on.
Speaker 2: Yolanda Novis here, George Paulisner, Gold of Las and I
Speaker 2: have a special guest, Jim driscoll.
Speaker 5: Got to give a little more about him.
Speaker 2: Jim is a decorated combat veteran with two degrees from
Speaker 2: Harvan and one from Cornell Tought It Mit. He's an
Speaker 2: activist who helped put together the Nuclear Weapons Freeze Campaign
Speaker 2: and the American Peace Test. Jim worked to stop the
Speaker 2: Gulf War, help to stop the Golf War, and reached
Speaker 2: out to veterans to start Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans Against
Speaker 2: the War now named about Face. From twenty twelve to
Speaker 2: twenty twenty, he focused on climate change, winning the first
Speaker 2: resolution declaring a climate emergency in Montgomery County, which I
Speaker 2: believe is Maryland. His accomplishments and resume are just completely
Speaker 2: too long to list at this moment. So I'm really Jim,
Speaker 2: I'm honored to have you on the podcast. Put up
Speaker 2: a link also to one of his organizations when we
Speaker 2: link it on the show. So everyone, welcome to the
Speaker 2: many shades of Green. It's so great to have you all.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to go quickly into the question. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure who's gonna take. I'm gonna throw it at
Speaker 2: I'm gonna throw it at you. You wage first, and
Speaker 2: then we'll go around kind of how I'm seeing you
Speaker 2: guys on the screen. So shade of green today? What
Speaker 2: is your shade of green at this moment in time?
Speaker 6: So as an homage to recycling, I'm gonna use something
Speaker 6: I've used before. My shade of green is green toxic
Speaker 6: reflecting pool algae green.
Speaker 2: Green, toxic reflecting algae, reflecting pool green. Okay, we've all
Speaker 2: seen the green of that pool, so we know I
Speaker 2: mean only only the.
Speaker 5: Best for the us of eight here.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Jim, what is your shade of green today?
Speaker 4: I think I'll be an Irish shamrock kind of green.
Speaker 5: Good.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a nice bright color. And uh, we had
Speaker 2: folks here too. Again, It's great to know everyone has
Speaker 2: different shades. I'm gonna go I see golda what's your
Speaker 2: shade today?
Speaker 7: Sonoran desert toad, shade of green survivors the desert desert toad,
Speaker 7: desert toad, nor in desert tone.
Speaker 6: I feel like she's looking at me when she.
Speaker 5: Says that, I don't I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't know, Yolanda, what's your I'm turquoise.
Speaker 8: I love the combination of the blues with the greens,
Speaker 8: the water, the trees, the plants. Uh, it's it's a
Speaker 8: vibrant not as vibrant as a shamrock green, but it
Speaker 8: includes the planetary colors that uplift us and that we
Speaker 8: need to preserve and protect.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the blue greens of the waters are in this world.
Speaker 5: They're beautiful. And Malcolm, my shade.
Speaker 9: Of green this week is a green of money. Money,
Speaker 9: And it's amazing how much of the prison has made
Speaker 9: in the last year and a half. And so I'll
Speaker 9: shade some green in his pocket.
Speaker 5: Can you spell corruption? Okay?
Speaker 2: But anyway, so trying to keep this in the order
Speaker 2: of which mister sent this to me. There's so much
Speaker 2: going on, you don't know what to go for first,
Speaker 2: So I'm going to start to start with Yolanda and
Speaker 2: everyone could chime in wherever they want to chime in,
Speaker 2: talking about like energy transition.
Speaker 8: And.
Speaker 6: You know, briefly, Maxine, so we were talking. I was
Speaker 6: conspiring with Yolanda a couple of days ago, and it's
Speaker 6: always such an inspiration to talk to her. I mean,
Speaker 6: you literally could have taped us on Tuesday and had
Speaker 6: two programs, but next time. But she was talking really
Speaker 6: about with the conflict right now in Iran and other
Speaker 6: conflicts raging around the world, Ukraine and Russia, and the
Speaker 6: attacks on the refineries, that more than ever, we really
Speaker 6: need to make a concerted effort on energy transition and
Speaker 6: transformation of our portfolio from vossil fuels, which are harming
Speaker 6: the planet and causing people to suffer all around the world,
Speaker 6: not just Iranian elementary school children who were the unfortunate
Speaker 6: recipients of American bombs and missiles, but everywhere around the world.
Speaker 6: And so Yolanda, I thought a lot of your thoughts
Speaker 6: about that were incredibly important to lead us on the show.
Speaker 8: Well thank you for that lead in. And what is
Speaker 8: going on in the world is devastating, and yet it
Speaker 8: is causing people to really come together and here in
Speaker 8: California and elsoorvi at I am in California, there's a
Speaker 8: tremendous initiative now to really focus on climate change goals
Speaker 8: and to get us back on track to move to
Speaker 8: sunshine and electrical energy sources. We should have done all
Speaker 8: of that decades ago, and we should have had underground
Speaker 8: power wires so we wouldn't have had all these wildfires
Speaker 8: that were sparked by faulty wires that were left up
Speaker 8: above ground rather than putting them underground. And there probably
Speaker 8: has to be some legislation paths to make these things happen.
Speaker 8: But there is a large movement in California on all
Speaker 8: fronts in terms of really looking at the climate change goals.
Speaker 8: A couple of years ago, when they had the big
Speaker 8: conference in what was a Dubai in the Middle East,
Speaker 8: twenty two hundred of the twenty five hundred participants were
Speaker 8: oil company lobbyists. So you know, money buys power, and
Speaker 8: that's who was at that big event that should have
Speaker 8: been focusing on the goals of climate change, but it
Speaker 8: rather was working in the opposite direction. But here in California.
Speaker 8: We're on it, and I think in other places too.
Speaker 8: Their initiatives really in many places around the country. The
Speaker 8: good news is abroad they've taken things seriously. Spain is
Speaker 8: almost now completely on electrical power. The cars are smaller,
Speaker 8: they're electrically powered. They're a smaller country than we are,
Speaker 8: maybe about just under fifty million, and we're what three
Speaker 8: hundred and fifty million. But we could move in that direction.
Speaker 4: We have the.
Speaker 8: Superstructure to be able to do these things. It is
Speaker 8: the lack of will because of the power and influence
Speaker 8: and the money of the major fossil few companies, And unfortunately,
Speaker 8: our president has indicated that he just wants to go,
Speaker 8: you know, drill, baby, drill, and that has to stop.
Speaker 8: We've got to move in the other direction. The war
Speaker 8: is also a major challenge because war is a pollutant
Speaker 8: in and of itself. Remember Chernobyl in nineteen eighty six,
Speaker 8: and the fact of that nuclear blow up travels around
Speaker 8: the world, and so we have to keep talking about
Speaker 8: how everything is interconnected, how we need to keep working
Speaker 8: to bring balance and harmony back into mother Earth. And
Speaker 8: I think back on meeting Rusty Schweikert after he returned
Speaker 8: from the Moon back in the seventies. It was I
Speaker 8: think and he said he just altered his entire perspective
Speaker 8: when he was re entering the Earth's atmosphere and he
Speaker 8: could look down and see Mother Earth, and he saw
Speaker 8: it as Mother Earth, a living, breathing, green, blue, you
Speaker 8: know planet. And that's where we have to start visualizing
Speaker 8: and seeing this renewal of this resource, this mother, this
Speaker 8: nurture that is our planet. And so there's a lot
Speaker 8: to do, a lot to do, and we have to
Speaker 8: counter the war. We know that that's a terrible thing
Speaker 8: to do to any environment. And it's all interconnected, and
Speaker 8: we have to begin talking about that and showing children
Speaker 8: and showing young adults the connections that exist and the
Speaker 8: harmonies that need to be brought back into balance.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's a lot that needs to be you know, taught.
Speaker 6: And beyond climate, I mean, it's become an issue of
Speaker 6: national security too, because you know, you're you're dealing with
Speaker 6: one of the most import exposed systems of energy delivery
Speaker 6: that I mean, we can see clearly now through the
Speaker 6: Strait of Hormuz that the pricing is very volatile, and
Speaker 6: because the American economy is still so dependent upon moving
Speaker 6: things from manufacturing facilities onto store shelves. It's highly dependent
Speaker 6: upon the price of diesel fuel and other fossil fuels
Speaker 6: to get onto store shelves. So it's really running through
Speaker 6: the life bread, life blood of our economy that when
Speaker 6: there's a fluctuation of crude oil from eighty dollars a
Speaker 6: barrel to one hundred dollars a barrel. First of all,
Speaker 6: the oil companies are very fast to jack up prices
Speaker 6: at the pump, but it affects food supply and everything
Speaker 6: else within our economy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I keep remembering odd even days. What if
Speaker 2: we should bring that back in some form.
Speaker 6: Well, we're definitely, We're definitely all in odd days.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, we're a very odd day.
Speaker 2: And I just you know, Al Gore, just if he
Speaker 2: was president, like you should have been, we would have
Speaker 2: been just so far ahead of everything.
Speaker 5: It looks like China is leading more than we think
Speaker 5: they have.
Speaker 2: They have an electric car which we can't even get here,
Speaker 2: which is supposed to be amazing and cheaper price and
Speaker 2: longer battery.
Speaker 5: You know, it gives you more miles on a charge.
Speaker 5: And we're just going backwards.
Speaker 6: So that's exactly right. I mean, as Yolanda said, while
Speaker 6: the rest of the world is moving forward with renewable, safe,
Speaker 6: clean energy. As a matter of fact, by the year
Speaker 6: twenty thirty, renewable capacity is set to double. But in
Speaker 6: the meantime, we have an administration, a presidential administration that
Speaker 6: in their campaign brought oil executives to mar A Lago
Speaker 6: and offered to basically accelerate licensing drilling in major wildlife
Speaker 6: preserves in our national parks in order for campaign contributions.
Speaker 6: I mean, back to your word earlier, Maxine spelling corruption.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's just another example of this administration's quid
Speaker 6: pro quo.
Speaker 8: Well, George's comment about the days on and off on
Speaker 8: an even days that we used a long time ago,
Speaker 8: and many countries are continuing to use in many ways.
Speaker 8: I spent a lot of time in Mexico during the
Speaker 8: period of time when we had the last you know,
Speaker 8: oil crisis, and they were doing off and on days
Speaker 8: in Mexico City, which is a huge metropolis. You talk
Speaker 8: about cars and not enough you know road space, that
Speaker 8: is the place. But they were doing it, and they
Speaker 8: were managing it. So we've been behind the eight ball
Speaker 8: we did it, but we can do it again. In fact,
Speaker 8: there are a lot of things you were talking about,
Speaker 8: harmony and all of that margo that we had in
Speaker 8: the seventies and eighties, and the movements that we had
Speaker 8: going that were so positive, small as beautiful. We were
Speaker 8: backing away from fossil fuels fuels, but that's you know,
Speaker 8: that's shifted gears, and we have to get back to
Speaker 8: that idea of harmonizing with nature and harmonizing with one
Speaker 8: another and unifying in a way that's very positive and
Speaker 8: constructive and doing odd and even days would be a
Speaker 8: great thing for us to restart here in California certainly
Speaker 8: and around the nation.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I remember that very well.
Speaker 2: I don't you know how much the whole idea was
Speaker 2: to get people to realize we got to do something
Speaker 2: other than what we're doing, that fossil fuels has to change.
Speaker 9: But you were talking earlier about California and how progressive
Speaker 9: it is. But most of the California law laws was
Speaker 9: I don't know if it was deemed unconstitutional, but the
Speaker 9: federal government knocked it down because I said it was
Speaker 9: unfair to care manufacturers.
Speaker 6: You're talking about the e p A right, Yeah, mile adjustment.
Speaker 9: Mile adjustments and how the is there any PA? Then
Speaker 9: the cars have to qualify for it, and it's unfair
Speaker 9: to the manufacturers to do something, especially for California, and
Speaker 9: that was knocked down.
Speaker 6: Yeah, right, right now we have an environmental plunder agency,
Speaker 6: but not protection agency to be sure that's true.
Speaker 8: All right?
Speaker 2: Anyone else chiming in on this this subject matter before
Speaker 2: we kind of move along because we wanted to get
Speaker 2: Gym in as well.
Speaker 5: George, any anything? Were we good?
Speaker 6: I think I think it's good to move on to Gym.
Speaker 6: I mean, just one last comment is we knew this.
Speaker 6: I mean the oil embargo of the nineteen seventies that
Speaker 6: led to the odd and even gas rationing. People reacted
Speaker 6: to it. Consumers started buying smaller cars. They bought Dotson's
Speaker 6: and Hondas, and unfortunately, because we have short attention spans
Speaker 6: and we needed I guess more trunk space for our
Speaker 6: big max and you know, quarter pounders, we got bigger
Speaker 6: and bigger cars again. And it's just absolutely I mean
Speaker 6: I drive now, if I'm driving in a little Prius
Speaker 6: and I'm surrounded by like hummers and SUPs, I can't
Speaker 6: even see where I'm going, which is a problem.
Speaker 5: So now there's trucks there.
Speaker 2: There's a lot of trucks because in there, and they're
Speaker 2: really trying to push them, I mean commercialing, I mean
Speaker 2: for that, they're commercialing for these these trucks, you know,
Speaker 2: Rams and one fifties and whatever, and they were supposed
Speaker 2: to do like ev versions, but that's kind of been
Speaker 2: pulled back.
Speaker 5: So yeah, people, we got to start getting out of
Speaker 5: our bubbles.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 9: Think well, one of my first cars back, I think
Speaker 9: it was in the sixties, the late sixties, mid sixties,
Speaker 9: was Renaldolphine, a midget core and I learned very quickly
Speaker 9: that trucks cannot see you in the rear view mirror.
Speaker 9: There's a blind spot that if you are on the
Speaker 9: right side of a truck they chuck cannot see you.
Speaker 9: Because I've been cut off so many times until I
Speaker 9: learned that.
Speaker 5: That that was a small car.
Speaker 7: You can you can ride a bicycle, and they're trying
Speaker 7: to attack the bicyclists like bike lanes are the enemy.
Speaker 7: And I just think it's so funny that, you know,
Speaker 7: anything good has to be treated like the enemy. But
Speaker 7: in many countries, you know, bikes and e bikes are
Speaker 7: actually increasing and that also makes people healthier. So there's
Speaker 7: there's so much that we can, Like you said, the pedal.
Speaker 5: To the middle, as they say, put your pedals around,
Speaker 5: all right.
Speaker 2: So so Yolanda, thanks for for bringing all of this
Speaker 2: great stuff out, and we're going to move on to
Speaker 2: UH to getting Jim Fisco in UH.
Speaker 5: George, do you want to bring him in?
Speaker 6: Absolutely? I mean the way that Jim and I connected.
Speaker 6: We've been to some local events here in Tucson, and
Speaker 6: I know that we share concern along with many people
Speaker 6: that are watching the midterm elections very closely, in terms
Speaker 6: of the potential for the midterms to be subverted, suspended,
Speaker 6: or the deployment of federal officers that are armed for
Speaker 6: intimidation and harassment, the potential seizure of voting machines, and
Speaker 6: so I know, Jim, if you want to talk a
Speaker 6: little bit about your thinking about a general strike, I
Speaker 6: know I've written some about it that simply getting together
Speaker 6: on the streets every quarter to protest the fact that
Speaker 6: we reject monarchy and have for the last two hundred
Speaker 6: and fifty or so years isn't enough. We may need
Speaker 6: to basically start start hitting the balance sheets and asset
Speaker 6: statements of many of these billionaires and entities that are
Speaker 6: continuing to fund a felon at in the executive in
Speaker 6: the executive branch.
Speaker 4: There's you know, kind of good evidence around the around
Speaker 4: the globe really that when you have an authoritarian takeover
Speaker 4: like Trump is in the middle of that, it does
Speaker 4: take more than standing on the sidelines sidewalks and waving
Speaker 4: waving flags, which I think we're all waving signs. I
Speaker 4: think probably most of us have done quite a bit
Speaker 4: of that. It really the ultimate kind of tactic in
Speaker 4: the nonviolent resistance arsenal is to impose economic costs, as
Speaker 4: George said so clearly on the people mostly who are
Speaker 4: backing Trump. I mean, Trump, a lot of people argue
Speaker 4: is kind of an EPI phenomenon. The real problem is
Speaker 4: kind of the system that we've left develop in this
Speaker 4: particular direction, and it would give us one clown or
Speaker 4: another in charge, and you have to put imposed costs
Speaker 4: on those billionaires who are benefiting from this regime of
Speaker 4: deregulation and low taxation that Trump has brought us, you know,
Speaker 4: in his first terminess being us again. So it seems
Speaker 4: everything he's said and done indicate that he does not
Speaker 4: intend to be bound by the results of this mid
Speaker 4: term elections. And so we've come together as a large
Speaker 4: kind of movement. You can look on the words page
Speaker 4: on May Daystrong dot org. There are over six hundred organizations,
Speaker 4: labor unions, community groups that have come together to try
Speaker 4: and provide the kind of push that's going to be
Speaker 4: needed to stop Trump. And there we met out in
Speaker 4: Saint Louis back during May after May Day and said, okay,
Speaker 4: what do we do. And at that point, there are
Speaker 4: nine cities that constitute thirty percent of the economic output
Speaker 4: of the United States that have committed to said, look,
Speaker 4: if he's going to remove this last kind of boundary,
Speaker 4: this last limit on his power by ignoring the results
Speaker 4: of the elections, then we're going to shut down economically.
Speaker 4: We're going to shut the place down. And so we're
Speaker 4: working at a we're a Tier two state out here
Speaker 4: in Arizona, but we're working as hard as we can
Speaker 4: to be ready to add our bit of disruption to
Speaker 4: things in November. We assume it'll probably you know, be
Speaker 4: closer to election day or even after because a lot
Speaker 4: of the red lines that we have George laid out
Speaker 4: some that come before. I mean this whole Save Act,
Speaker 4: which includes you know, voter ID and a termination of
Speaker 4: a restriction rather on male balloting, both of which are
Speaker 4: directed primarily at working people, people who tend to vote Democratic.
Speaker 4: The other ones will be rehit by those Save Act restrictions.
Speaker 4: But you know, as you move to the election day itself,
Speaker 4: we have this great example from Florida in two thousand
Speaker 4: that stop counting the stop counting the ballots can have
Speaker 4: a significant effect. And from two thousand and twenty it
Speaker 4: goes on really until January third, when these to be seated.
Speaker 4: I mean, the question is do you keep counting the ballots?
Speaker 4: Do the state officials certify the results of the election?
Speaker 4: Are the people who are elected seated? So there are
Speaker 4: all these red lines that we're watching, and at some
Speaker 4: point in there we expect there's going to be a
Speaker 4: point where these group, local groups like ours will decide, Okay,
Speaker 4: that's it. We have to shut it down. We have to,
Speaker 4: you know, do the take that step which has been
Speaker 4: required again and again to stop an oligarch.
Speaker 9: Yeah, how do you do that? Because right now Trump
Speaker 9: is making no secret about what he intends to do.
Speaker 9: I mean basically every speech he does, where every time
Speaker 9: I hear him, he's basically talking about how it's a
Speaker 9: rigged election, how it's unfair, how no matter what happens,
Speaker 9: he's going to win because you know, the election is
Speaker 9: influenced by you know, corrupt people. He's making that clear
Speaker 9: right now and now more and more what he's saying
Speaker 9: is he's going to run for a third term. As
Speaker 9: a matter of fact, the last time he said it's
Speaker 9: a fourth term because he won. He won the third
Speaker 9: term the second time, and the second time he won,
Speaker 9: so this was really his third thing in office. And
Speaker 9: now he's going to do a fourth term. But he's
Speaker 9: not making any secret of that.
Speaker 6: I'd like to see him serve consecutive terms at writers.
Speaker 5: Alcatraz? Yeah, do they want to do something with Alcatraz?
Speaker 9: Now we know his modus operandi, we know what he's
Speaker 9: going to do. The thing is what are we going
Speaker 9: to do? You know, as you said your plans, how
Speaker 9: are you going to do it? You basically have to
Speaker 9: ship ship businesses well people.
Speaker 4: I don't want to undermine our commitment to the elections.
Speaker 4: I mean, clearly, people have to register to vote, have
Speaker 4: to go out and vote, So you need to encourage
Speaker 4: everybody around you to do that so that we prove
Speaker 4: the point which the polls are bearing out, at least
Speaker 4: to the House and possibly for the Senate, that he
Speaker 4: will he'll lose control of them. But it's he He's
Speaker 4: made clear repeatedly in prior elections that he is not
Speaker 4: constrained by the result of the elections. So we have
Speaker 4: to be willing to take this step of putting, you know,
Speaker 4: just millions of people into the street repeatedly. The commitment
Speaker 4: that these nine cities have made is for two weeks
Speaker 4: of economic disruption, could be hopefully be less, could be longer.
Speaker 4: But that's and that's so it's kind of so out
Speaker 4: far the experience, outside the experience of people in the
Speaker 4: United States. And it's complicated because the United States has
Speaker 4: a particular system of industrial relations which is based on
Speaker 4: these you know, company based contracts that union sign and
Speaker 4: in the in the contract language almost always is a
Speaker 4: prohibition against a strike, and if you strike, then the
Speaker 4: union is an organization and the offices as individuals a
Speaker 4: subject to civil pretty substantials civil liability. So the unions
Speaker 4: have to kind of tap dance around the edjudice, they
Speaker 4: can't call for their members to go out and strike,
Speaker 4: and so you have these different Here we're dealing with
Speaker 4: it in a right to work state, where you know,
Speaker 4: they they have to we have to do things at
Speaker 4: the grassroots kind of person to person level among union
Speaker 4: members and not so much with the formal organizations. But
Speaker 4: one way or the other, we have to do it.
Speaker 4: I mean that that that kind of a shutdown, that
Speaker 4: kind of a mass uh, non violent non cooperation is
Speaker 4: what it's taken around, you know, Philippines career around the
Speaker 4: around the world to stop an oligarch and just say,
Speaker 4: in this case, we had an election seat the seat
Speaker 4: the Congress, let them impeach you again, you know, and
Speaker 4: you have to go as far as we can with
Speaker 4: the rules. I mean I personally, I think Maccine said earlier.
Speaker 4: You know, Al it would have been great if al
Speaker 4: Gore had been elected. Had to deal with al Gore
Speaker 4: over the First Golf War. He was the deciding He
Speaker 4: and Sam Nunn, his colleague, were the two deciding votes
Speaker 4: to allow us to go in and it made Iraq
Speaker 4: in the First Golf War. So I'm not a big
Speaker 4: fan of political parties. As the kind of the the
Speaker 4: litmus test for what we need to do. So I'd
Speaker 4: kind of like to see this, you know, may day,
Speaker 4: whatever it is continue on as an existing organization that
Speaker 4: can dictate more to the political parties and to the
Speaker 4: system to make the kind of because you get out
Speaker 4: a list of the things that people in the United
Speaker 4: States would like to have. How about universal health care,
Speaker 4: you know, how about free education, how about housing jobs?
Speaker 4: You know, and so these are all things that other.
Speaker 10: That sounds that sounds like communism joke, you think they
Speaker 10: want that versus a big, beautiful, we want an archway
Speaker 10: and you know, an agreed pool.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: Well back to South Korea. You mentioned South Korea. So
Speaker 7: the military there were like, what are we doing here?
Speaker 7: We can't do this. They had some principles.
Speaker 4: Yeah, in all of these attempts to stand in the
Speaker 4: way of an autocrat, the military is very important and
Speaker 4: that you know it. Unfortunately, the military is being undermined really,
Speaker 4: you know, distorted with all of these promoting you know,
Speaker 4: refusals to promote women or people of color to high
Speaker 4: ranking offices. I mean, it's just crazy that this guy
Speaker 4: who was a major at the pinnacle of his career
Speaker 4: and made his bones as a commentative.
Speaker 6: I think that's why some of Trump's first actions were
Speaker 6: appointments to military leadership and putting somebody in place that
Speaker 6: has absolute fealty to Trump and expanding his power.
Speaker 9: Yeah, he he's getting rid of all the military leaders,
Speaker 9: the bigwigs that make their decisions that don't agree with him,
Speaker 9: and he's putting in his own people.
Speaker 2: We're gonna have to pull that thought because we hit
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Speaker 5: Right, I'm going to have George.
Speaker 2: We want to kind of wrap up the stuff that
Speaker 2: Jim was saying, So let's get a couple of points
Speaker 2: in and then we'll move on.
Speaker 6: Well, thanks Vaccine, So Jim, I mean, I really do.
Speaker 6: I'm a huge advocate for really the necessity of a
Speaker 6: general strike. I mean, certainly the red line of election
Speaker 6: subversion is a very important red line. I mean, the
Speaker 6: reality is, dating back to January twenty twenty five, the
Speaker 6: denial of due process, the ice killings and detentions and deportations,
Speaker 6: just so many different acts of this government have been
Speaker 6: grounded in a basis of abuse and cruelty. I mean,
Speaker 6: there have already been so many red lines, and so
Speaker 6: I mean I certainly support a number of tier in
Speaker 6: states taking a lead in terms of trying to disrupt
Speaker 6: and make it very clear to the billionaires who are
Speaker 6: funding this administration for their tax cuts and tax loopholes
Speaker 6: regardless of the rest of the country. Uh falling apart
Speaker 6: and burning. But I also am concerned with the plight
Speaker 6: of the average citizen because many of us may be
Speaker 6: insulated from the effects or maybe have some financial reserves,
Speaker 6: but over half of the people of the United States
Speaker 6: are are surviving paycheck to paycheck are worse. And so
Speaker 6: that the idea of a general strike for so many
Speaker 6: people when it could mean the loss of that paycheck
Speaker 6: and housing insecurity, food in security. What are the what
Speaker 6: are your thoughts and what was some of the reaction
Speaker 6: in Saint Louis about how to how to address that
Speaker 6: kind of that kind of economic vulnerability.
Speaker 4: Well, the Mayday Strong Coalition has a strong emphasis on
Speaker 4: affordability and what are the things that can be done
Speaker 4: to provide economic support to people who are you know,
Speaker 4: as you said, left out of the economy at the moment.
Speaker 4: So you know, we're talking about those issues as well,
Speaker 4: but there's people who are listening. Really, this is this
Speaker 4: is an historical moment. I mean, if you look around
Speaker 4: the world, once these autocrats take power, it's hard to
Speaker 4: get them out, and so what people need to sort
Speaker 4: of take a deep breath and say, this is unusual
Speaker 4: for the United States. It's not. We don't have a
Speaker 4: history of general strikes like they do in countries they
Speaker 4: have a different sort of set of political political actors.
Speaker 4: But really it's likely to come to head around November.
Speaker 4: That's true. There have been many red lines, but it's
Speaker 4: kind of a folkocus now on this next kind of
Speaker 4: critical one, which is the election. So can you do it?
Speaker 4: Go to mayday dot strong, maydaystrong dot org. There are
Speaker 4: groups all over the country that are preparing for this
Speaker 4: and get involved because this is just after we've voted,
Speaker 4: after we've registered and the results come in. It's quite
Speaker 4: likely that there's going to be this next step that
Speaker 4: we're all going to have to take, and it's going
Speaker 4: to be uncomfortable for a lot of us. I mean,
Speaker 4: we're working as with a bunch of mutual aid groups
Speaker 4: out here, George to try and do what we can
Speaker 4: to help people with food and childcare. Is a big
Speaker 4: thing because in Tucson we're good at shutting down the
Speaker 4: school system. But the problem is that kind of you know,
Speaker 4: puts the burden on the parents, and so yeah, we're
Speaker 4: all over the country. We're wrestling through the points that
Speaker 4: you describe. But the fact is, if we don't do this,
Speaker 4: we may be kicking ourselves for twenty years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there's the.
Speaker 2: ACLU executive director Anthony Romero suggested mass street mobilization and
Speaker 2: shutting down on the country if the administration defies court orders, which.
Speaker 5: They are doing.
Speaker 2: He didn't explicitly call for a general strike, but people
Speaker 2: thought that he was in a way, even though he
Speaker 2: didn't outright say it. So in certain places. I mean
Speaker 2: when I saw this, I'm like, wow, you know, this
Speaker 2: is the head of the ACLU. He's the executive director,
Speaker 2: and he's like, look where we are now, and if
Speaker 2: we don't do something drastic, we are like pretty much
Speaker 2: dead where we stand.
Speaker 9: So I do understand is, boy, the Democratic Party isn't
Speaker 9: putting more emphasis on the finances. Everybody like we're doing.
Speaker 9: All the businesses are up. Look how much a stock
Speaker 9: market is up. But then you read where eighty eight
Speaker 9: percent of all the stocks are owned by ten percent
Speaker 9: of the population, and it's probably and then it probably
Speaker 9: gets even more refined as it gets higher up, and
Speaker 9: they're always talking about oh, but the poorer is you know,
Speaker 9: you know they get the tax rebate, look what our
Speaker 9: president did, But they don't say that the rich, the
Speaker 9: multi billionaires are getting you know what their tax you
Speaker 9: know what they're saving. Yeah, and now how our country
Speaker 9: is going more and more into debt that we may
Speaker 9: not be able to pay off. Like what he's doing
Speaker 9: with his other companies, he might run the US into bankruptcy.
Speaker 6: Well, the democratic messaging is certainly flawed to Jim's earlier point,
Speaker 6: I mean, the thought of transcending political parties into electing
Speaker 6: a Congress that will embrace equality, justice, and democracy regardless
Speaker 6: of party. I mean, that's pretty much where I've landed.
Speaker 6: Although certainly in terms of platforms, the democratic platform is
Speaker 6: still a preferred platform over just you know, give rich
Speaker 6: people your money and then hope it trickles back down
Speaker 6: to you, which is the GOP platform in a nutshell. So,
Speaker 6: but democratic messaging is one thing, but this is something
Speaker 6: very very different in terms of and as Jim was talking,
Speaker 6: I was thinking, this may be the last opportunity we
Speaker 6: have before having to pick up a weapon and standing
Speaker 6: at post. And so the thought of a general strike
Speaker 6: as Jim was saying, as a response to a subversion
Speaker 6: of the election, may be our last opportunity to do
Speaker 6: this in a non violent way, which I would certainly prefer.
Speaker 7: Speaking of the people with weapons, one of the big
Speaker 7: calls out is to meet with your police and sheriff,
Speaker 7: and some of us have been meeting with them about
Speaker 7: the abuses of ice, and we need to use those
Speaker 7: relationships to meet with the police and sheriff and talk
Speaker 7: to them about what happens in terms of protecting our
Speaker 7: elections and what happens after when we to start those
Speaker 7: conversations at all the local levels. And I know there
Speaker 7: are people working on that in Tucson, and I hope
Speaker 7: there are every place where people are listening talking to
Speaker 7: those police chief and sheriff who have done who are
Speaker 7: supposed to protect you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Well, well to pick up on that and the ice situation,
Speaker 8: one of the most effective things that all dictators have
Speaker 8: used is hey, and you weaponize hatred and then you
Speaker 8: divide people and division conquerors people. There's a saying in
Speaker 8: Spanish adito a proverb pueblo pueblo DVD the pueblo, and
Speaker 8: sito a divided community is a defeated community. It's really important.
Speaker 8: So much has been played around ethnic politics, and I
Speaker 8: just want to say that ICE has been attacking immigrants
Speaker 8: because our president has created a wall of hatred against
Speaker 8: all Latinos, accusing them of being, you know, rapists and
Speaker 8: all that. He is the rapist, he is the criminal,
Speaker 8: he is the violator on all fronts, and he's projecting
Speaker 8: us onto other people. And we need to look at
Speaker 8: that piece of it. But overall, in this country, the
Speaker 8: Espano Latino population is a four point one trillion dollar
Speaker 8: economic market. That's a lot of free oilists. I think
Speaker 8: we're the largest economic group in the country, and so
Speaker 8: we need to share more information about the positive aspects
Speaker 8: of this community. You know, they come from other countries, Yes,
Speaker 8: And within a generation or two, the kids, my my
Speaker 8: children's father's grandfather was a farm worker in Oxnard. He
Speaker 8: picked strawberries. His father, his son became a uh butcher
Speaker 8: and plant supervisor of a large meat placking plant in
Speaker 8: in Los Angeles. And his son became a California state
Speaker 8: legislator and senator. So in a matter of generations, these
Speaker 8: these huge changes and shifts that empower each generation is
Speaker 8: you know, goes further, U is very important to look
Speaker 8: at the contributions of people across the country and fortunately
Speaker 8: in these uh in Minnesota and elsewhere where, neighbors are
Speaker 8: coming to rally, you know, and to protect their members
Speaker 8: against ice is very important. And we've got to stop
Speaker 8: this hatred and the movement towards you know, UH. Margaret
Speaker 8: was talking about, you know, to have harmony and to
Speaker 8: have the idea of peace, and how do we get
Speaker 8: there is still love our neighbor to do these very
Speaker 8: basic things, and it's very true and you're right on
Speaker 8: point on that, and so I really want to raise
Speaker 8: this issue that we are a large to the Latinos
Speaker 8: on Mexican American first generation in this country. My parents
Speaker 8: came from Chihuahua in the nineteen twenties after the revolution there,
Speaker 8: and many of the massive exos from Mexico occurred after
Speaker 8: the revolution, just like they do for most countries. But
Speaker 8: we're an empowered people and a growing population and a
Speaker 8: growingly educated population. We're not hitting the top top tiers
Speaker 8: of positions because there's so much tremendous prejudice and racism
Speaker 8: still at that level, but in terms of economy, we
Speaker 8: are the contributors.
Speaker 5: We are the workers.
Speaker 8: That's one of the California is such a thriving state
Speaker 8: and an economically wealthy state. We're the fourth largest economy
Speaker 8: in the world, California, and we are a majority minority
Speaker 8: state and the majority of our minorities are Latinos. So
Speaker 8: it's it's we have to look at people differently and
Speaker 8: not allow ourselves to hate and allow ourselves to be
Speaker 8: divided based on hate, because then that becomes a weapon.
Speaker 8: And that has called all that's called the rise of
Speaker 8: this guy, and he needs to be rejected and eliminated
Speaker 8: from the public life. Put him on a spaceship to
Speaker 8: Mars and gold gilded and send him out there with
Speaker 8: Musk and his friends because they don't belong here. They're
Speaker 8: not contributing in any way or making our world a
Speaker 8: better place.
Speaker 9: Well, I didn't know. In history, has there been a
Speaker 9: nation that is so diverse as the United States that
Speaker 9: stayed together.
Speaker 2: Has there been a county more diverse than Queens in
Speaker 2: New York in the entire world. Queens New York has
Speaker 2: one hundred and eighty languages spoken.
Speaker 5: Literally, it is the most diverse county in the world.
Speaker 2: Actually, and everyone basically gets along, which is amazing.
Speaker 9: So no, but as I I'm Jewish, and and I
Speaker 9: and I have a star of David I wear I
Speaker 9: don't you know. I generally have it in my shirt
Speaker 9: but occasionally it comes out. And as I was raised
Speaker 9: in New York City and I live in Los Angeles,
Speaker 9: so everybody knows someone that's Jewish. But I was amazed
Speaker 9: how many people I see and they say, oh, are
Speaker 9: you Jewish? I don't know any Jews.
Speaker 5: Well, but I don't know that they know. That's the problem.
Speaker 8: Right, But anywhere Jewish, we're all.
Speaker 6: Jewish field of fish for all, We're all in this
Speaker 6: tiny little.
Speaker 2: There's so many groups, Yes there are, but I want
Speaker 2: that Yes, Malcolm, you're absolutely right. Your point is well taken,
Speaker 2: but I would I want since we're kind of getting
Speaker 2: near the end of this, I want to go to
Speaker 2: to talk about these shared government models before we have
Speaker 2: to like leave.
Speaker 5: George, I don't think.
Speaker 2: We're getting into the other points, but Gold, I want
Speaker 2: to get you in on shared governance because I think
Speaker 2: that's an important thing too.
Speaker 7: I will I should say that George wrote this like
Speaker 7: book length essay on convergence and you have to read it.
Speaker 5: It's amazing.
Speaker 7: Go to sub stack and find leadership matters and just
Speaker 7: look at convergence and you will learn so much and
Speaker 7: have so much hope.
Speaker 5: Be telling you that.
Speaker 7: It shows how people with you don't have to agree
Speaker 7: on everything. You just have to kind of more or
Speaker 7: less go in the same direction, like we're doing here, right.
Speaker 7: That's very important. But quickly, I thank you for squeezing
Speaker 7: me in here. I should have said that my favorite
Speaker 7: color of green was green grass green for the grassroots,
Speaker 7: because I am a big, bottom up grassroots person and
Speaker 7: we're actually turning corporations into a force for good if
Speaker 7: you can believe that now before you attack me there.
Speaker 7: George is the one who turned me on to the
Speaker 7: Corporation book by Joel Bakhan, who was like, oh, it
Speaker 7: has to be profits over people, but they don't have
Speaker 7: to be. There's actually a variation on corporations called public
Speaker 7: benefit corporations where they don't have to do that. And
Speaker 7: then corporations are just a body of people incorporated to
Speaker 7: cooperate with each other that you can actually do any
Speaker 7: way you want. And so we're doing it with earned
Speaker 7: governance where the workers have work weighted votes. It's not
Speaker 7: one person, one vote, where a person walks up and
Speaker 7: can have an equal vote to someone who's been working there.
Speaker 7: It's actually earned over time, and we're launching it as
Speaker 7: an accelerator program. We call it workers dot VC. So
Speaker 7: we're taking back the venture capitalist idea, We're taking back
Speaker 7: the corporations, We're taking back all the ways that we
Speaker 7: cooperate with each other, because it turns out that people
Speaker 7: are especially young people, they are struggling, they are exhausted,
Speaker 7: and they need a way to work together to earn together.
Speaker 7: And that's one of the best ways that you can
Speaker 7: reduce hate in some ways. I'm a software engineer. I
Speaker 7: have Indians and pakistanis that work together. You know, we
Speaker 7: have all kinds of people work together. We just work
Speaker 7: together because we want to get the job done. And
Speaker 7: I believe that shared society through work and creating something
Speaker 7: together that actually feeds us and nurtures us and maybe
Speaker 7: recycles batteries. We're going to talk to someone who might
Speaker 7: join with a with a recycling startup. We can make
Speaker 7: something happen ourselves and the grassroots up without waiting for
Speaker 7: anyone to tell us that we can. We can just
Speaker 7: do it. And so it's workers dot BC. We're looking
Speaker 7: for mentors and founders and advisors and networks and all
Speaker 7: of that. And we might put Alanovo in, which is
Speaker 7: George's startup, which was a nonprofit, but since it doesn't
Speaker 7: have any money, it might as well just be a corporation.
Speaker 7: And it's for for making helping consumers buy and align
Speaker 7: with their value. So that might be in there, and
Speaker 7: you could join that and get a part of it,
Speaker 7: and maybe we'll just all do well together and ignore
Speaker 7: these guys with their.
Speaker 5: Get me, hey, give some of that. Give me, give me,
Speaker 5: give me some of that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's important that people, you know, you
Speaker 2: know workers. You read in the papers, you read in
Speaker 2: the Times that people are still working crazy, insane hours,
Speaker 2: so they're not getting off of work. They're not they're
Speaker 2: getting a week paid vacation when in Europe it's like
Speaker 2: five six weeks. They're not getting childcare, they're not getting healthcare.
Speaker 2: I mean, at this point, the worker is just went
Speaker 2: back again. It seems like we're going in the reverse way.
Speaker 5: A lot of times.
Speaker 7: It's global, just very quickly.
Speaker 6: It's global.
Speaker 7: It's not just the US, right, our elected CEO is
Speaker 7: actually in Nairobi. It's very late there, so she didn't
Speaker 7: join us. But it's actually global. We don't have to
Speaker 7: these boundaries. This whole money, this nation boundaries are just
Speaker 7: myths we made up. We don't like to do something.
Speaker 2: Else right right, Well, there's a lot of good stuff
Speaker 2: that you, all of you are doing and have done
Speaker 2: and continue to do. Which is why when I look
Speaker 2: at things, I see hope in a lot of ways
Speaker 2: versus the horrible stuff that you see coming at us
Speaker 2: every day. It's like they're taking spears and constantly throwing
Speaker 2: and we have the the shields.
Speaker 8: You know.
Speaker 2: Again, go see The Odyssey. Yeah, it'll it's an intense,
Speaker 2: intense movie, but it but it's it mirrors a lot
Speaker 2: of things here currently, so that's why you know it's
Speaker 2: it's it's a good movie to see.
Speaker 5: Anyway.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much you can get in, George,
Speaker 2: because I think we kind of hit the hit the mark.
Speaker 2: So if there's anything any you know, you want to
Speaker 2: throw in something quick and anyone else wants to rap
Speaker 2: with something now that I'd like.
Speaker 8: To Marco and I'd like to play off on what
Speaker 8: you started the show with, and it's it's this idea
Speaker 8: of harmony and peace. And I recently attended a live
Speaker 8: performance of Joni Mitchell's music in Los Angeles at the
Speaker 8: Pole perform. It was sensational, so you were talking about
Speaker 8: the sixties and seventies. Everybody on the show and anybody
Speaker 8: listening can tune into Joni Mitchell on Pandora and you
Speaker 8: will get the their prayers. Her song's lyrics are really
Speaker 8: prayers and active and she's amazing and it was all revived.
Speaker 8: I thought it was her singing, it wasn't, but it
Speaker 8: was her words and lyrics rearranged. It was brilliant, and
Speaker 8: I think we should just all tune into that and
Speaker 8: just draw in and take her words and lyrics as
Speaker 8: our intentions, as our prayers to transform our country.
Speaker 5: In the world.
Speaker 8: And it is doable. We've done it before, we need
Speaker 8: to do it again and for keeps this.
Speaker 2: Time yep, absolutely great. Anyone else timing in before we
Speaker 2: have to hit out.
Speaker 6: Well, I just briefly wanted to say everybody here is
Speaker 6: so inspiring and thank you. Golda and I have been
Speaker 6: conspiring together for over twenty years on public good and
Speaker 6: she's doing amazing work. I just wanted to say from
Speaker 6: a tangible perspective. Everyone listening, make sure you check your
Speaker 6: voter registration that it's still active and current. If you're
Speaker 6: not registered, register. We need the eighty million people that
Speaker 6: did not vote in twenty twenty four to vote, because
Speaker 6: one thing that can really help with the selection and
Speaker 6: concerns over his subversion is a tsunami of informed, educated
Speaker 6: voters coming to the polls that will not accept any
Speaker 6: kind of any kind of corruption or subversion by this government.
Speaker 2: Right, we need we need millions of people, millions and
Speaker 2: millions of millions of voices. I actually wrote a song
Speaker 2: by that name. Uh and Joony Mitchell is wow near
Speaker 2: and dear to my heart.
Speaker 5: So thank you.
Speaker 2: Thanks Yolanda for bringing her up. She's quite quite something.
Speaker 2: So we're gonna peace out.
Speaker 5: We're gonna you know this, this this group has been amazing.
Speaker 2: I would love to have you back again in the
Speaker 2: fall sometime. Maybe we need to get some of the
Speaker 2: more Georgia stuff out, so we will. But George, thanks
Speaker 2: for getting this, this, this wonderful group of people together,
Speaker 2: and so we're gonna sign it off, and I'm gonna
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