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<v Speaker 1>This is Hudson River Radio dot Com.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, hello out there in podcast land and beyond wherever

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<v Speaker 2>beyond is these days. Maxie Margarubin along with my co

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<v Speaker 2>host Malcolm Berman, and this is the Many Shades of Green,

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<v Speaker 2>our program that adds a dash of green into your

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<v Speaker 2>life as we engage in conversations that move to inform, educate, activate,

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<v Speaker 2>and raise your eco and social consciousness through culture, politics, music, art, science,

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<v Speaker 2>and community also history. My add we hope to inspire

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<v Speaker 2>you to pick a shede of green and become a

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<v Speaker 2>steward of this beautiful, blue, green planet we call Earth.

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<v Speaker 2>So there's a lot of folk here today, so I'll

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<v Speaker 2>start with my co host Malcolm. Hi, mal And we

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<v Speaker 2>got we got George, we have Yolanda, we have Jim

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<v Speaker 2>uh ge Man, we have Golda and Niel's in the

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<v Speaker 2>back orchestrating all of this. So thank you, Neil, and

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to the Many Shades of Green. I'm I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>do an intro song today which I've used in the past.

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<v Speaker 2>I just just to hear the harmonies and some of

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<v Speaker 2>the lyrics which pertains in ways to what we're going

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about. Uh, because there's harmony amidst chaos, and

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<v Speaker 2>this song just reverberates that message as it did in

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<v Speaker 2>the late sixties when my brother Mitch wrote it. Some

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<v Speaker 2>of the.

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<v Speaker 3>People slam to the sound of the steam by good

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<v Speaker 3>night sleep Wow, good night sleep Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people will sleep to the sound of the waves.

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<v Speaker 1>On the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Good night Sleep Wow, good night sleep well.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people will sleep to the sound of the fall bombs.

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<v Speaker 5>Save Wow.

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<v Speaker 6>Sleep. And some people don't sleep bed.

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<v Speaker 5>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>True in every way, incredible harmonies. That was just amazing

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<v Speaker 2>when I first heard it. It blew me away, and

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<v Speaker 2>it blew me away just now brings me to tears

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much. So some people sleep, some people don't don't

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<v Speaker 2>sleep at all, as it says, some people remain in

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<v Speaker 2>their bubbles. Oh there's are proactive. Some people believe in lies,

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<v Speaker 2>others want the truth.

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<v Speaker 5>Some people believe in.

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<v Speaker 2>Science, history, climate change, and fair elections. Others prefer to

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<v Speaker 2>believe the cult leader and get joy out of other

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<v Speaker 2>people's suffering. Some people prefer to take coverage in the

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<v Speaker 2>Trojan Horse, while others take to the streets to protest

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<v Speaker 2>and make good trouble. I believe that more of us

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<v Speaker 2>want to do what's right. We want to have clean air, water, land,

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<v Speaker 2>and want our children and grandchildren to live in a

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<v Speaker 2>safe and beautiful world. All the question kind of arises,

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<v Speaker 2>why don't we sleep, man, There's a lot of reasons.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we keep getting hit by chaos and the

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<v Speaker 2>news that just doesn't stop. We're living in imprecedented times,

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<v Speaker 2>and we seem more divided than ever. Yet we hosted

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<v Speaker 2>the US hosted the World Cup. Visitors from around the

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<v Speaker 2>world experience joy here. Our global visitors enjoy the good

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<v Speaker 2>news nature of the majority of Americans being helpful and welcoming,

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<v Speaker 2>and in New York, some of them, some of the

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<v Speaker 2>teams that came here became New York nick fans, so yay.

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<v Speaker 2>People from around the world were expecting the worst, as

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<v Speaker 2>they cited news reports of the USA being a total hellhole,

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<v Speaker 2>and it can't be disputed because we are living in

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<v Speaker 2>uncertain and difficult times. But it seems that when the

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<v Speaker 2>world leaders were kind of absent from the picture during

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<v Speaker 2>those two three weeks, the globe united in that time,

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<v Speaker 2>which was quite amazing. So today's podcast, we're going to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about divisions and what we need to do to

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<v Speaker 2>take action to save our democracy. We must continue to protest.

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<v Speaker 2>We must perhaps strike climate change is not a hoax

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<v Speaker 2>and renewable energy is more important than ever. There are

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<v Speaker 2>things we can learn from history of decades past, especially

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<v Speaker 2>the sixties and seventies, and George's article, Oh my god,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to read that, folks. We're going to put

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<v Speaker 2>the on the link later. So today's podcast, I'm happy

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<v Speaker 2>to welcome back friends of the show who come on.

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<v Speaker 2>Yolanda Novis here, George Paulisner, Gold of Las and I

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<v Speaker 2>have a special guest, Jim driscoll.

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<v Speaker 5>Got to give a little more about him.

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<v Speaker 2>Jim is a decorated combat veteran with two degrees from

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<v Speaker 2>Harvan and one from Cornell Tought It Mit. He's an

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<v Speaker 2>activist who helped put together the Nuclear Weapons Freeze Campaign

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<v Speaker 2>and the American Peace Test. Jim worked to stop the

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<v Speaker 2>Gulf War, help to stop the Golf War, and reached

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<v Speaker 2>out to veterans to start Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans Against

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<v Speaker 2>the War now named about Face. From twenty twelve to

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, he focused on climate change, winning the first

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<v Speaker 2>resolution declaring a climate emergency in Montgomery County, which I

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<v Speaker 2>believe is Maryland. His accomplishments and resume are just completely

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<v Speaker 2>too long to list at this moment. So I'm really Jim,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm honored to have you on the podcast. Put up

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<v Speaker 2>a link also to one of his organizations when we

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<v Speaker 2>link it on the show. So everyone, welcome to the

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<v Speaker 2>many shades of Green. It's so great to have you all.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have to go quickly into the question. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not sure who's gonna take. I'm gonna throw it at

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna throw it at you. You wage first, and

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<v Speaker 2>then we'll go around kind of how I'm seeing you

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<v Speaker 2>guys on the screen. So shade of green today? What

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<v Speaker 2>is your shade of green at this moment in time?

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<v Speaker 6>So as an homage to recycling, I'm gonna use something

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<v Speaker 6>I've used before. My shade of green is green toxic

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<v Speaker 6>reflecting pool algae green.

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<v Speaker 2>Green, toxic reflecting algae, reflecting pool green. Okay, we've all

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<v Speaker 2>seen the green of that pool, so we know I

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<v Speaker 2>mean only only the.

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<v Speaker 5>Best for the us of eight here.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Jim, what is your shade of green today?

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<v Speaker 4>I think I'll be an Irish shamrock kind of green.

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<v Speaker 5>Good.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's a nice bright color. And uh, we had

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<v Speaker 2>folks here too. Again, It's great to know everyone has

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<v Speaker 2>different shades. I'm gonna go I see golda what's your

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<v Speaker 2>shade today?

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<v Speaker 7>Sonoran desert toad, shade of green survivors the desert desert toad,

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<v Speaker 7>desert toad, nor in desert tone.

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<v Speaker 6>I feel like she's looking at me when she.

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<v Speaker 5>Says that, I don't I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Yolanda, what's your I'm turquoise.

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<v Speaker 8>I love the combination of the blues with the greens,

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<v Speaker 8>the water, the trees, the plants. Uh, it's it's a

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<v Speaker 8>vibrant not as vibrant as a shamrock green, but it

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<v Speaker 8>includes the planetary colors that uplift us and that we

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<v Speaker 8>need to preserve and protect.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, the blue greens of the waters are in this world.

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<v Speaker 5>They're beautiful. And Malcolm, my shade.

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<v Speaker 9>Of green this week is a green of money. Money,

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<v Speaker 9>And it's amazing how much of the prison has made

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<v Speaker 9>in the last year and a half. And so I'll

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<v Speaker 9>shade some green in his pocket.

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<v Speaker 5>Can you spell corruption? Okay?

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so trying to keep this in the order

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<v Speaker 2>of which mister sent this to me. There's so much

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<v Speaker 2>going on, you don't know what to go for first,

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<v Speaker 2>So I'm going to start to start with Yolanda and

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<v Speaker 2>everyone could chime in wherever they want to chime in,

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<v Speaker 2>talking about like energy transition.

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<v Speaker 8>And.

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<v Speaker 6>You know, briefly, Maxine, so we were talking. I was

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<v Speaker 6>conspiring with Yolanda a couple of days ago, and it's

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<v Speaker 6>always such an inspiration to talk to her. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>you literally could have taped us on Tuesday and had

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<v Speaker 6>two programs, but next time. But she was talking really

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<v Speaker 6>about with the conflict right now in Iran and other

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<v Speaker 6>conflicts raging around the world, Ukraine and Russia, and the

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<v Speaker 6>attacks on the refineries, that more than ever, we really

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<v Speaker 6>need to make a concerted effort on energy transition and

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<v Speaker 6>transformation of our portfolio from vossil fuels, which are harming

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<v Speaker 6>the planet and causing people to suffer all around the world,

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<v Speaker 6>not just Iranian elementary school children who were the unfortunate

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<v Speaker 6>recipients of American bombs and missiles, but everywhere around the world.

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<v Speaker 6>And so Yolanda, I thought a lot of your thoughts

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<v Speaker 6>about that were incredibly important to lead us on the show.

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<v Speaker 8>Well thank you for that lead in. And what is

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<v Speaker 8>going on in the world is devastating, and yet it

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<v Speaker 8>is causing people to really come together and here in

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<v Speaker 8>California and elsoorvi at I am in California, there's a

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<v Speaker 8>tremendous initiative now to really focus on climate change goals

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<v Speaker 8>and to get us back on track to move to

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<v Speaker 8>sunshine and electrical energy sources. We should have done all

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<v Speaker 8>of that decades ago, and we should have had underground

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<v Speaker 8>power wires so we wouldn't have had all these wildfires

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<v Speaker 8>that were sparked by faulty wires that were left up

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<v Speaker 8>above ground rather than putting them underground. And there probably

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<v Speaker 8>has to be some legislation paths to make these things happen.

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<v Speaker 8>But there is a large movement in California on all

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<v Speaker 8>fronts in terms of really looking at the climate change goals.

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<v Speaker 8>A couple of years ago, when they had the big

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<v Speaker 8>conference in what was a Dubai in the Middle East,

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<v Speaker 8>twenty two hundred of the twenty five hundred participants were

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<v Speaker 8>oil company lobbyists. So you know, money buys power, and

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<v Speaker 8>that's who was at that big event that should have

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<v Speaker 8>been focusing on the goals of climate change, but it

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<v Speaker 8>rather was working in the opposite direction. But here in California.

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<v Speaker 8>We're on it, and I think in other places too.

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<v Speaker 8>Their initiatives really in many places around the country. The

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<v Speaker 8>good news is abroad they've taken things seriously. Spain is

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<v Speaker 8>almost now completely on electrical power. The cars are smaller,

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<v Speaker 8>they're electrically powered. They're a smaller country than we are,

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<v Speaker 8>maybe about just under fifty million, and we're what three

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<v Speaker 8>hundred and fifty million. But we could move in that direction.

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<v Speaker 4>We have the.

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<v Speaker 8>Superstructure to be able to do these things. It is

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<v Speaker 8>the lack of will because of the power and influence

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<v Speaker 8>and the money of the major fossil few companies, And unfortunately,

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<v Speaker 8>our president has indicated that he just wants to go,

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<v Speaker 8>you know, drill, baby, drill, and that has to stop.

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<v Speaker 8>We've got to move in the other direction. The war

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<v Speaker 8>is also a major challenge because war is a pollutant

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<v Speaker 8>in and of itself. Remember Chernobyl in nineteen eighty six,

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<v Speaker 8>and the fact of that nuclear blow up travels around

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<v Speaker 8>the world, and so we have to keep talking about

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<v Speaker 8>how everything is interconnected, how we need to keep working

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<v Speaker 8>to bring balance and harmony back into mother Earth. And

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<v Speaker 8>I think back on meeting Rusty Schweikert after he returned

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<v Speaker 8>from the Moon back in the seventies. It was I

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<v Speaker 8>think and he said he just altered his entire perspective

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<v Speaker 8>when he was re entering the Earth's atmosphere and he

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<v Speaker 8>could look down and see Mother Earth, and he saw

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<v Speaker 8>it as Mother Earth, a living, breathing, green, blue, you

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<v Speaker 8>know planet. And that's where we have to start visualizing

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<v Speaker 8>and seeing this renewal of this resource, this mother, this

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<v Speaker 8>nurture that is our planet. And so there's a lot

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<v Speaker 8>to do, a lot to do, and we have to

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<v Speaker 8>counter the war. We know that that's a terrible thing

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<v Speaker 8>to do to any environment. And it's all interconnected, and

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<v Speaker 8>we have to begin talking about that and showing children

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<v Speaker 8>harmonies that need to be brought back into balance.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's a lot that needs to be you know, taught.

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<v Speaker 6>And beyond climate, I mean, it's become an issue of

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<v Speaker 6>national security too, because you know, you're you're dealing with

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<v Speaker 6>one of the most import exposed systems of energy delivery

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<v Speaker 6>because the American economy is still so dependent upon moving

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<v Speaker 6>to get onto store shelves. So it's really running through

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<v Speaker 6>the life bread, life blood of our economy that when

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<v Speaker 6>at the pump, but it affects food supply and everything

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I keep remembering odd even days. What if

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<v Speaker 2>we should bring that back in some form.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, we're definitely, We're definitely all in odd days.

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<v Speaker 5>Right, Yeah, we're a very odd day.

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<v Speaker 2>And I just you know, Al Gore, just if he

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<v Speaker 5>It looks like China is leading more than we think

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<v Speaker 2>They have an electric car which we can't even get here,

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<v Speaker 5>You know, it gives you more miles on a charge.

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<v Speaker 5>And we're just going backwards.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's exactly right. I mean, as Yolanda said, while

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<v Speaker 6>the rest of the world is moving forward with renewable, safe,

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<v Speaker 6>twenty thirty, renewable capacity is set to double. But in

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<v Speaker 6>the meantime, we have an administration, a presidential administration that

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<v Speaker 6>in their campaign brought oil executives to mar A Lago

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, back to your word earlier, Maxine spelling corruption.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, it's just another example of this administration's quid

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<v Speaker 8>Well, George's comment about the days on and off on

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<v Speaker 8>an even days that we used a long time ago,

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<v Speaker 8>and many countries are continuing to use in many ways.

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<v Speaker 8>I spent a lot of time in Mexico during the

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<v Speaker 8>were managing it. So we've been behind the eight ball

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<v Speaker 8>we did it, but we can do it again. In fact,

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<v Speaker 8>there are a lot of things you were talking about,

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<v Speaker 8>harmony and all of that margo that we had in

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<v Speaker 8>the seventies and eighties, and the movements that we had

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<v Speaker 8>going that were so positive, small as beautiful. We were

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<v Speaker 8>backing away from fossil fuels fuels, but that's you know,

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<v Speaker 8>that's shifted gears, and we have to get back to

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<v Speaker 8>that idea of harmonizing with nature and harmonizing with one

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<v Speaker 8>another and unifying in a way that's very positive and

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<v Speaker 8>constructive and doing odd and even days would be a

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<v Speaker 8>great thing for us to restart here in California certainly

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<v Speaker 8>and around the nation.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, well, I remember that very well.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't you know how much the whole idea was

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<v Speaker 2>other than what we're doing, that fossil fuels has to change.

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<v Speaker 9>But you were talking earlier about California and how progressive

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<v Speaker 9>I don't know if it was deemed unconstitutional, but the

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<v Speaker 9>federal government knocked it down because I said it was

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<v Speaker 9>Mile adjustments and how the is there any PA? Then

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<v Speaker 9>the cars have to qualify for it, and it's unfair

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<v Speaker 9>to the manufacturers to do something, especially for California, and

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<v Speaker 9>that was knocked down.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah, right, right now we have an environmental plunder agency,

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<v Speaker 8>All right?

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<v Speaker 2>Anyone else chiming in on this this subject matter before

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<v Speaker 2>we kind of move along because we wanted to get

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<v Speaker 5>George, any anything? Were we good?

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<v Speaker 6>I think I think it's good to move on to Gym.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, just one last comment is we knew this.

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<v Speaker 6>I mean the oil embargo of the nineteen seventies that

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<v Speaker 6>led to the odd and even gas rationing. People reacted

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<v Speaker 6>and Hondas, and unfortunately, because we have short attention spans

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<v Speaker 6>and bigger cars again. And it's just absolutely I mean

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<v Speaker 5>So now there's trucks there.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a lot of trucks because in there, and they're

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<v Speaker 2>really trying to push them, I mean commercialing, I mean

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<v Speaker 2>for that, they're commercialing for these these trucks, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Rams and one fifties and whatever, and they were supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to do like ev versions, but that's kind of been

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<v Speaker 5>So yeah, people, we got to start getting out of

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 9>Think well, one of my first cars back, I think

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<v Speaker 9>was Renaldolphine, a midget core and I learned very quickly

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<v Speaker 9>There's a blind spot that if you are on the

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<v Speaker 9>Because I've been cut off so many times until I

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<v Speaker 5>That that was a small car.

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<v Speaker 7>You can you can ride a bicycle, and they're trying

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<v Speaker 7>to attack the bicyclists like bike lanes are the enemy.

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<v Speaker 7>And I just think it's so funny that, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>anything good has to be treated like the enemy. But

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<v Speaker 7>in many countries, you know, bikes and e bikes are

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<v Speaker 7>actually increasing and that also makes people healthier. So there's

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<v Speaker 7>there's so much that we can, Like you said, the pedal.

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<v Speaker 5>all right.

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<v Speaker 2>So so Yolanda, thanks for for bringing all of this

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<v Speaker 2>great stuff out, and we're going to move on to

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<v Speaker 5>George, do you want to bring him in?

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<v Speaker 6>Absolutely? I mean the way that Jim and I connected.

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<v Speaker 6>We've been to some local events here in Tucson, and

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<v Speaker 6>I know that we share concern along with many people

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<v Speaker 6>that are watching the midterm elections very closely, in terms

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<v Speaker 6>of the potential for the midterms to be subverted, suspended,

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<v Speaker 6>or the deployment of federal officers that are armed for

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<v Speaker 6>intimidation and harassment, the potential seizure of voting machines, and

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<v Speaker 6>so I know, Jim, if you want to talk a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit about your thinking about a general strike, I

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<v Speaker 6>know I've written some about it that simply getting together

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<v Speaker 6>on the streets every quarter to protest the fact that

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<v Speaker 6>we reject monarchy and have for the last two hundred

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<v Speaker 6>and fifty or so years isn't enough. We may need

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<v Speaker 6>to basically start start hitting the balance sheets and asset

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<v Speaker 6>statements of many of these billionaires and entities that are

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<v Speaker 6>the executive branch.

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<v Speaker 4>There's you know, kind of good evidence around the around

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<v Speaker 4>the globe really that when you have an authoritarian takeover

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<v Speaker 4>like Trump is in the middle of that, it does

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<v Speaker 4>take more than standing on the sidelines sidewalks and waving

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<v Speaker 4>waving flags, which I think we're all waving signs. I

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<v Speaker 4>think probably most of us have done quite a bit

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<v Speaker 4>of that. It really the ultimate kind of tactic in

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<v Speaker 4>the nonviolent resistance arsenal is to impose economic costs, as

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<v Speaker 4>George said so clearly on the people mostly who are

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<v Speaker 4>is kind of an EPI phenomenon. The real problem is

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<v Speaker 4>kind of the system that we've left develop in this

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<v Speaker 4>particular direction, and it would give us one clown or

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<v Speaker 4>another in charge, and you have to put imposed costs

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<v Speaker 4>on those billionaires who are benefiting from this regime of

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<v Speaker 4>deregulation and low taxation that Trump has brought us, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>in his first terminess being us again. So it seems

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<v Speaker 4>everything he's said and done indicate that he does not

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<v Speaker 4>intend to be bound by the results of this mid

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<v Speaker 4>term elections. And so we've come together as a large

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<v Speaker 4>kind of movement. You can look on the words page

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<v Speaker 4>on May Daystrong dot org. There are over six hundred organizations,

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<v Speaker 4>labor unions, community groups that have come together to try

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<v Speaker 4>needed to stop Trump. And there we met out in

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<v Speaker 4>Saint Louis back during May after May Day and said, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>what do we do. And at that point, there are

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<v Speaker 4>of the United States that have committed to said, look,

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<v Speaker 4>if he's going to remove this last kind of boundary,

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<v Speaker 4>this last limit on his power by ignoring the results

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<v Speaker 4>of the elections, then we're going to shut down economically.

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<v Speaker 4>We're going to shut the place down. And so we're

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<v Speaker 4>working at a we're a Tier two state out here

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<v Speaker 4>in Arizona, but we're working as hard as we can

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<v Speaker 4>to be ready to add our bit of disruption to

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<v Speaker 4>things in November. We assume it'll probably you know, be

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<v Speaker 4>closer to election day or even after because a lot

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<v Speaker 4>of the red lines that we have George laid out

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<v Speaker 4>some that come before. I mean this whole Save Act,

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<v Speaker 4>which includes you know, voter ID and a termination of

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<v Speaker 4>a restriction rather on male balloting, both of which are

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<v Speaker 4>directed primarily at working people, people who tend to vote Democratic.

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<v Speaker 4>The other ones will be rehit by those Save Act restrictions.

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<v Speaker 4>But you know, as you move to the election day itself,

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<v Speaker 4>we have this great example from Florida in two thousand

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<v Speaker 4>that stop counting the stop counting the ballots can have

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<v Speaker 4>a significant effect. And from two thousand and twenty it

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<v Speaker 4>goes on really until January third, when these to be seated.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, the question is do you keep counting the ballots?

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<v Speaker 4>Do the state officials certify the results of the election?

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<v Speaker 4>Are the people who are elected seated? So there are

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<v Speaker 4>all these red lines that we're watching, and at some

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<v Speaker 4>point in there we expect there's going to be a

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<v Speaker 4>point where these group, local groups like ours will decide, Okay,

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<v Speaker 4>that's it. We have to shut it down. We have to,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, do the take that step which has been

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, how do you do that? Because right now Trump

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<v Speaker 9>is making no secret about what he intends to do.

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<v Speaker 9>I mean basically every speech he does, where every time

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<v Speaker 9>I hear him, he's basically talking about how it's a

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<v Speaker 9>rigged election, how it's unfair, how no matter what happens,

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<v Speaker 9>he's going to win because you know, the election is

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<v Speaker 9>influenced by you know, corrupt people. He's making that clear

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<v Speaker 9>right now and now more and more what he's saying

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<v Speaker 9>is he's going to run for a third term. As

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<v Speaker 9>a matter of fact, the last time he said it's

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<v Speaker 9>a fourth term because he won. He won the third

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<v Speaker 9>term the second time, and the second time he won,

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<v Speaker 9>so this was really his third thing in office. And

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<v Speaker 9>now he's going to do a fourth term. But he's

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<v Speaker 9>not making any secret of that.

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<v Speaker 6>I'd like to see him serve consecutive terms at writers.

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<v Speaker 5>Alcatraz? Yeah, do they want to do something with Alcatraz?

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<v Speaker 9>Now we know his modus operandi, we know what he's

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<v Speaker 9>going to do. The thing is what are we going

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<v Speaker 9>to do? You know, as you said your plans, how

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<v Speaker 9>are you going to do it? You basically have to

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<v Speaker 9>ship ship businesses well people.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want to undermine our commitment to the elections.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, clearly, people have to register to vote, have

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<v Speaker 4>to go out and vote, So you need to encourage

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<v Speaker 4>everybody around you to do that so that we prove

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<v Speaker 4>the point which the polls are bearing out, at least

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<v Speaker 4>to the House and possibly for the Senate, that he

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<v Speaker 4>will he'll lose control of them. But it's he He's

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<v Speaker 4>made clear repeatedly in prior elections that he is not

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<v Speaker 4>constrained by the result of the elections. So we have

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<v Speaker 4>to be willing to take this step of putting, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just millions of people into the street repeatedly. The commitment

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<v Speaker 4>that these nine cities have made is for two weeks

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<v Speaker 4>of economic disruption, could be hopefully be less, could be longer.

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<v Speaker 4>But that's and that's so it's kind of so out

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<v Speaker 4>far the experience, outside the experience of people in the

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<v Speaker 4>United States. And it's complicated because the United States has

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<v Speaker 4>a particular system of industrial relations which is based on

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<v Speaker 4>these you know, company based contracts that union sign and

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<v Speaker 4>in the in the contract language almost always is a

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<v Speaker 4>prohibition against a strike, and if you strike, then the

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<v Speaker 4>union is an organization and the offices as individuals a

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<v Speaker 4>subject to civil pretty substantials civil liability. So the unions

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<v Speaker 4>have to kind of tap dance around the edjudice, they

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<v Speaker 4>can't call for their members to go out and strike,

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<v Speaker 4>and so you have these different Here we're dealing with

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<v Speaker 4>it in a right to work state, where you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they they have to we have to do things at

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<v Speaker 4>the grassroots kind of person to person level among union

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<v Speaker 4>members and not so much with the formal organizations. But

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<v Speaker 4>one way or the other, we have to do it.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean that that that kind of a shutdown, that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of a mass uh, non violent non cooperation is

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<v Speaker 4>what it's taken around, you know, Philippines career around the

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<v Speaker 4>around the world to stop an oligarch and just say,

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<v Speaker 4>in this case, we had an election seat the seat

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<v Speaker 4>the Congress, let them impeach you again, you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>you have to go as far as we can with

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<v Speaker 4>the rules. I mean I personally, I think Maccine said earlier.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, Al it would have been great if al

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<v Speaker 4>Gore had been elected. Had to deal with al Gore

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<v Speaker 4>over the First Golf War. He was the deciding He

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<v Speaker 4>and Sam Nunn, his colleague, were the two deciding votes

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<v Speaker 4>to allow us to go in and it made Iraq

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<v Speaker 4>in the First Golf War. So I'm not a big

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<v Speaker 4>fan of political parties. As the kind of the the

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<v Speaker 4>litmus test for what we need to do. So I'd

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like to see this, you know, may day,

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<v Speaker 4>whatever it is continue on as an existing organization that

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<v Speaker 4>can dictate more to the political parties and to the

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<v Speaker 4>system to make the kind of because you get out

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<v Speaker 4>a list of the things that people in the United

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<v Speaker 4>States would like to have. How about universal health care,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, how about free education, how about housing jobs?

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<v Speaker 4>You know, and so these are all things that other.

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<v Speaker 10>That sounds that sounds like communism joke, you think they

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<v Speaker 10>want that versus a big, beautiful, we want an archway

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<v Speaker 10>and you know, an agreed pool.

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<v Speaker 6>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>Well back to South Korea. You mentioned South Korea. So

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<v Speaker 7>the military there were like, what are we doing here?

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<v Speaker 7>We can't do this. They had some principles.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, in all of these attempts to stand in the

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<v Speaker 4>way of an autocrat, the military is very important and

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<v Speaker 4>that you know it. Unfortunately, the military is being undermined really,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, distorted with all of these promoting you know,

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<v Speaker 4>refusals to promote women or people of color to high

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<v Speaker 4>ranking offices. I mean, it's just crazy that this guy

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<v Speaker 4>who was a major at the pinnacle of his career

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<v Speaker 4>and made his bones as a commentative.

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<v Speaker 6>I think that's why some of Trump's first actions were

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<v Speaker 6>appointments to military leadership and putting somebody in place that

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<v Speaker 6>has absolute fealty to Trump and expanding his power.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, he he's getting rid of all the military leaders,

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<v Speaker 9>the bigwigs that make their decisions that don't agree with him,

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<v Speaker 9>and he's putting in his own people.

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<v Speaker 2>We're gonna have to pull that thought because we hit

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<v Speaker 2>the brake. We'll come back with it and then we'll

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<v Speaker 5>Right, I'm going to have George.

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<v Speaker 2>We want to kind of wrap up the stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>Jim was saying, So let's get a couple of points

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<v Speaker 2>in and then we'll move on.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, thanks Vaccine, So Jim, I mean, I really do.

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<v Speaker 6>I'm a huge advocate for really the necessity of a

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<v Speaker 6>general strike. I mean, certainly the red line of election

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<v Speaker 6>subversion is a very important red line. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 6>reality is, dating back to January twenty twenty five, the

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<v Speaker 6>denial of due process, the ice killings and detentions and deportations,

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<v Speaker 6>just so many different acts of this government have been

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<v Speaker 6>grounded in a basis of abuse and cruelty. I mean,

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<v Speaker 6>there have already been so many red lines, and so

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<v Speaker 6>I mean I certainly support a number of tier in

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<v Speaker 6>states taking a lead in terms of trying to disrupt

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<v Speaker 6>and make it very clear to the billionaires who are

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<v Speaker 6>funding this administration for their tax cuts and tax loopholes

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<v Speaker 6>regardless of the rest of the country. Uh falling apart

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<v Speaker 6>and burning. But I also am concerned with the plight

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<v Speaker 6>of the average citizen because many of us may be

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<v Speaker 6>insulated from the effects or maybe have some financial reserves,

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<v Speaker 6>but over half of the people of the United States

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<v Speaker 6>are are surviving paycheck to paycheck are worse. And so

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<v Speaker 6>that the idea of a general strike for so many

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<v Speaker 6>people when it could mean the loss of that paycheck

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<v Speaker 6>and housing insecurity, food in security. What are the what

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<v Speaker 6>are your thoughts and what was some of the reaction

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<v Speaker 6>in Saint Louis about how to how to address that

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<v Speaker 6>kind of that kind of economic vulnerability.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, the Mayday Strong Coalition has a strong emphasis on

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<v Speaker 4>affordability and what are the things that can be done

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<v Speaker 4>to provide economic support to people who are you know,

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<v Speaker 4>as you said, left out of the economy at the moment.

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<v Speaker 4>So you know, we're talking about those issues as well,

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<v Speaker 4>but there's people who are listening. Really, this is this

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<v Speaker 4>is an historical moment. I mean, if you look around

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<v Speaker 4>the world, once these autocrats take power, it's hard to

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<v Speaker 4>get them out, and so what people need to sort

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<v Speaker 4>of take a deep breath and say, this is unusual

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<v Speaker 4>for the United States. It's not. We don't have a

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<v Speaker 4>history of general strikes like they do in countries they

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<v Speaker 4>have a different sort of set of political political actors.

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<v Speaker 4>But really it's likely to come to head around November.

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<v Speaker 4>That's true. There have been many red lines, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>kind of a folkocus now on this next kind of

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<v Speaker 4>critical one, which is the election. So can you do it?

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<v Speaker 4>Go to mayday dot strong, maydaystrong dot org. There are

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<v Speaker 4>groups all over the country that are preparing for this

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<v Speaker 4>and get involved because this is just after we've voted,

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<v Speaker 4>after we've registered and the results come in. It's quite

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<v Speaker 4>likely that there's going to be this next step that

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<v Speaker 4>we're all going to have to take, and it's going

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<v Speaker 4>to be uncomfortable for a lot of us. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we're working as with a bunch of mutual aid groups

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<v Speaker 4>out here, George to try and do what we can

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<v Speaker 4>to help people with food and childcare. Is a big

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<v Speaker 4>thing because in Tucson we're good at shutting down the

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<v Speaker 4>school system. But the problem is that kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 4>puts the burden on the parents, and so yeah, we're

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<v Speaker 4>all over the country. We're wrestling through the points that

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<v Speaker 4>you describe. But the fact is, if we don't do this,

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<v Speaker 4>we may be kicking ourselves for twenty years.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, there's the.

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<v Speaker 2>ACLU executive director Anthony Romero suggested mass street mobilization and

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<v Speaker 2>shutting down on the country if the administration defies court orders, which.

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<v Speaker 5>They are doing.

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<v Speaker 2>He didn't explicitly call for a general strike, but people

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<v Speaker 2>thought that he was in a way, even though he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't outright say it. So in certain places. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>when I saw this, I'm like, wow, you know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is the head of the ACLU. He's the executive director,

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<v Speaker 2>and he's like, look where we are now, and if

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<v Speaker 2>we don't do something drastic, we are like pretty much

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<v Speaker 2>dead where we stand.

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<v Speaker 9>So I do understand is, boy, the Democratic Party isn't

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<v Speaker 9>putting more emphasis on the finances. Everybody like we're doing.

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<v Speaker 9>All the businesses are up. Look how much a stock

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<v Speaker 9>market is up. But then you read where eighty eight

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<v Speaker 9>percent of all the stocks are owned by ten percent

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<v Speaker 9>of the population, and it's probably and then it probably

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<v Speaker 9>gets even more refined as it gets higher up, and

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<v Speaker 9>they're always talking about oh, but the poorer is you know,

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<v Speaker 9>you know they get the tax rebate, look what our

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<v Speaker 9>president did, But they don't say that the rich, the

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<v Speaker 9>multi billionaires are getting you know what their tax you

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<v Speaker 9>know what they're saving. Yeah, and now how our country

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<v Speaker 9>is going more and more into debt that we may

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<v Speaker 9>not be able to pay off. Like what he's doing

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<v Speaker 9>with his other companies, he might run the US into bankruptcy.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, the democratic messaging is certainly flawed to Jim's earlier point,

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<v Speaker 6>I mean, the thought of transcending political parties into electing

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<v Speaker 6>a Congress that will embrace equality, justice, and democracy regardless

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<v Speaker 6>of party. I mean, that's pretty much where I've landed.

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<v Speaker 6>Although certainly in terms of platforms, the democratic platform is

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<v Speaker 6>still a preferred platform over just you know, give rich

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<v Speaker 6>people your money and then hope it trickles back down

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<v Speaker 6>to you, which is the GOP platform in a nutshell. So,

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<v Speaker 6>but democratic messaging is one thing, but this is something

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<v Speaker 6>very very different in terms of and as Jim was talking,

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<v Speaker 6>I was thinking, this may be the last opportunity we

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<v Speaker 6>have before having to pick up a weapon and standing

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<v Speaker 6>at post. And so the thought of a general strike

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<v Speaker 6>as Jim was saying, as a response to a subversion

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<v Speaker 6>of the election, may be our last opportunity to do

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<v Speaker 6>this in a non violent way, which I would certainly prefer.

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<v Speaker 7>Speaking of the people with weapons, one of the big

635
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<v Speaker 7>calls out is to meet with your police and sheriff,

636
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<v Speaker 7>and some of us have been meeting with them about

637
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<v Speaker 7>the abuses of ice, and we need to use those

638
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<v Speaker 7>relationships to meet with the police and sheriff and talk

639
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<v Speaker 7>to them about what happens in terms of protecting our

640
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<v Speaker 7>elections and what happens after when we to start those

641
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<v Speaker 7>conversations at all the local levels. And I know there

642
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<v Speaker 7>are people working on that in Tucson, and I hope

643
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<v Speaker 7>there are every place where people are listening talking to

644
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<v Speaker 7>those police chief and sheriff who have done who are

645
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<v Speaker 7>supposed to protect you.

646
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<v Speaker 5>Yeah.

647
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<v Speaker 8>Well, well to pick up on that and the ice situation,

648
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<v Speaker 8>one of the most effective things that all dictators have

649
00:40:58.840 --> 00:41:03.280
<v Speaker 8>used is hey, and you weaponize hatred and then you

650
00:41:03.639 --> 00:41:07.159
<v Speaker 8>divide people and division conquerors people. There's a saying in

651
00:41:07.239 --> 00:41:12.440
<v Speaker 8>Spanish adito a proverb pueblo pueblo DVD the pueblo, and

652
00:41:12.599 --> 00:41:18.960
<v Speaker 8>sito a divided community is a defeated community. It's really important.

653
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<v Speaker 8>So much has been played around ethnic politics, and I

654
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<v Speaker 8>just want to say that ICE has been attacking immigrants

655
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<v Speaker 8>because our president has created a wall of hatred against

656
00:41:32.159 --> 00:41:36.679
<v Speaker 8>all Latinos, accusing them of being, you know, rapists and

657
00:41:36.760 --> 00:41:39.599
<v Speaker 8>all that. He is the rapist, he is the criminal,

658
00:41:39.719 --> 00:41:42.440
<v Speaker 8>he is the violator on all fronts, and he's projecting

659
00:41:42.559 --> 00:41:44.400
<v Speaker 8>us onto other people. And we need to look at

660
00:41:44.440 --> 00:41:48.639
<v Speaker 8>that piece of it. But overall, in this country, the

661
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<v Speaker 8>Espano Latino population is a four point one trillion dollar

662
00:41:54.760 --> 00:41:58.239
<v Speaker 8>economic market. That's a lot of free oilists. I think

663
00:41:58.280 --> 00:42:01.920
<v Speaker 8>we're the largest economic group in the country, and so

664
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<v Speaker 8>we need to share more information about the positive aspects

665
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.280
<v Speaker 8>of this community. You know, they come from other countries, Yes,

666
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<v Speaker 8>And within a generation or two, the kids, my my

667
00:42:13.440 --> 00:42:17.440
<v Speaker 8>children's father's grandfather was a farm worker in Oxnard. He

668
00:42:17.519 --> 00:42:22.159
<v Speaker 8>picked strawberries. His father, his son became a uh butcher

669
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<v Speaker 8>and plant supervisor of a large meat placking plant in

670
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<v Speaker 8>in Los Angeles. And his son became a California state

671
00:42:29.159 --> 00:42:33.079
<v Speaker 8>legislator and senator. So in a matter of generations, these

672
00:42:33.280 --> 00:42:37.280
<v Speaker 8>these huge changes and shifts that empower each generation is

673
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<v Speaker 8>you know, goes further, U is very important to look

674
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<v Speaker 8>at the contributions of people across the country and fortunately

675
00:42:44.719 --> 00:42:48.400
<v Speaker 8>in these uh in Minnesota and elsewhere where, neighbors are

676
00:42:48.440 --> 00:42:50.719
<v Speaker 8>coming to rally, you know, and to protect their members

677
00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:53.920
<v Speaker 8>against ice is very important. And we've got to stop

678
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:57.159
<v Speaker 8>this hatred and the movement towards you know, UH. Margaret

679
00:42:57.280 --> 00:42:59.400
<v Speaker 8>was talking about, you know, to have harmony and to

680
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<v Speaker 8>have the idea of peace, and how do we get

681
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<v Speaker 8>there is still love our neighbor to do these very

682
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<v Speaker 8>basic things, and it's very true and you're right on

683
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<v Speaker 8>point on that, and so I really want to raise

684
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<v Speaker 8>this issue that we are a large to the Latinos

685
00:43:14.159 --> 00:43:16.880
<v Speaker 8>on Mexican American first generation in this country. My parents

686
00:43:16.960 --> 00:43:20.000
<v Speaker 8>came from Chihuahua in the nineteen twenties after the revolution there,

687
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<v Speaker 8>and many of the massive exos from Mexico occurred after

688
00:43:24.840 --> 00:43:27.400
<v Speaker 8>the revolution, just like they do for most countries. But

689
00:43:28.159 --> 00:43:34.239
<v Speaker 8>we're an empowered people and a growing population and a

690
00:43:34.360 --> 00:43:38.880
<v Speaker 8>growingly educated population. We're not hitting the top top tiers

691
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:42.519
<v Speaker 8>of positions because there's so much tremendous prejudice and racism

692
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:46.440
<v Speaker 8>still at that level, but in terms of economy, we

693
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<v Speaker 8>are the contributors.

694
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<v Speaker 5>We are the workers.

695
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<v Speaker 8>That's one of the California is such a thriving state

696
00:43:51.280 --> 00:43:55.000
<v Speaker 8>and an economically wealthy state. We're the fourth largest economy

697
00:43:55.039 --> 00:43:58.440
<v Speaker 8>in the world, California, and we are a majority minority

698
00:43:58.480 --> 00:44:02.840
<v Speaker 8>state and the majority of our minorities are Latinos. So

699
00:44:03.039 --> 00:44:06.280
<v Speaker 8>it's it's we have to look at people differently and

700
00:44:06.440 --> 00:44:09.880
<v Speaker 8>not allow ourselves to hate and allow ourselves to be

701
00:44:09.960 --> 00:44:13.800
<v Speaker 8>divided based on hate, because then that becomes a weapon.

702
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<v Speaker 8>And that has called all that's called the rise of

703
00:44:16.880 --> 00:44:20.159
<v Speaker 8>this guy, and he needs to be rejected and eliminated

704
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<v Speaker 8>from the public life. Put him on a spaceship to

705
00:44:23.400 --> 00:44:25.679
<v Speaker 8>Mars and gold gilded and send him out there with

706
00:44:25.840 --> 00:44:28.800
<v Speaker 8>Musk and his friends because they don't belong here. They're

707
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<v Speaker 8>not contributing in any way or making our world a

708
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<v Speaker 8>better place.

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<v Speaker 9>Well, I didn't know. In history, has there been a

710
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<v Speaker 9>nation that is so diverse as the United States that

711
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<v Speaker 9>stayed together.

712
00:44:40.760 --> 00:44:43.679
<v Speaker 2>Has there been a county more diverse than Queens in

713
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<v Speaker 2>New York in the entire world. Queens New York has

714
00:44:47.280 --> 00:44:49.559
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and eighty languages spoken.

715
00:44:50.039 --> 00:44:53.320
<v Speaker 5>Literally, it is the most diverse county in the world.

716
00:44:53.480 --> 00:44:58.599
<v Speaker 2>Actually, and everyone basically gets along, which is amazing.

717
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<v Speaker 9>So no, but as I I'm Jewish, and and I

718
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<v Speaker 9>and I have a star of David I wear I

719
00:45:04.920 --> 00:45:07.800
<v Speaker 9>don't you know. I generally have it in my shirt

720
00:45:07.840 --> 00:45:12.239
<v Speaker 9>but occasionally it comes out. And as I was raised

721
00:45:12.280 --> 00:45:15.000
<v Speaker 9>in New York City and I live in Los Angeles,

722
00:45:15.519 --> 00:45:19.119
<v Speaker 9>so everybody knows someone that's Jewish. But I was amazed

723
00:45:19.199 --> 00:45:21.480
<v Speaker 9>how many people I see and they say, oh, are

724
00:45:21.519 --> 00:45:23.239
<v Speaker 9>you Jewish? I don't know any Jews.

725
00:45:24.480 --> 00:45:29.719
<v Speaker 5>Well, but I don't know that they know. That's the problem.

726
00:45:29.840 --> 00:45:33.559
<v Speaker 8>Right, But anywhere Jewish, we're all.

727
00:45:33.559 --> 00:45:39.079
<v Speaker 6>Jewish field of fish for all, We're all in this

728
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<v Speaker 6>tiny little.

729
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:45.679
<v Speaker 2>There's so many groups, Yes there are, but I want

730
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<v Speaker 2>that Yes, Malcolm, you're absolutely right. Your point is well taken,

731
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<v Speaker 2>but I would I want since we're kind of getting

732
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<v Speaker 2>near the end of this, I want to go to

733
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<v Speaker 2>to talk about these shared government models before we have

734
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<v Speaker 2>to like leave.

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<v Speaker 5>George, I don't think.

736
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<v Speaker 2>We're getting into the other points, but Gold, I want

737
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<v Speaker 2>to get you in on shared governance because I think

738
00:46:04.960 --> 00:46:06.519
<v Speaker 2>that's an important thing too.

739
00:46:06.920 --> 00:46:09.519
<v Speaker 7>I will I should say that George wrote this like

740
00:46:09.679 --> 00:46:13.639
<v Speaker 7>book length essay on convergence and you have to read it.

741
00:46:14.199 --> 00:46:14.840
<v Speaker 5>It's amazing.

742
00:46:15.639 --> 00:46:18.920
<v Speaker 7>Go to sub stack and find leadership matters and just

743
00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:21.440
<v Speaker 7>look at convergence and you will learn so much and

744
00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:22.280
<v Speaker 7>have so much hope.

745
00:46:22.320 --> 00:46:23.360
<v Speaker 5>Be telling you that.

746
00:46:24.239 --> 00:46:27.079
<v Speaker 7>It shows how people with you don't have to agree

747
00:46:27.119 --> 00:46:29.239
<v Speaker 7>on everything. You just have to kind of more or

748
00:46:29.360 --> 00:46:31.920
<v Speaker 7>less go in the same direction, like we're doing here, right.

749
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<v Speaker 7>That's very important. But quickly, I thank you for squeezing

750
00:46:36.280 --> 00:46:37.679
<v Speaker 7>me in here. I should have said that my favorite

751
00:46:37.719 --> 00:46:41.239
<v Speaker 7>color of green was green grass green for the grassroots,

752
00:46:41.679 --> 00:46:45.159
<v Speaker 7>because I am a big, bottom up grassroots person and

753
00:46:45.599 --> 00:46:48.360
<v Speaker 7>we're actually turning corporations into a force for good if

754
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:51.280
<v Speaker 7>you can believe that now before you attack me there.

755
00:46:51.760 --> 00:46:53.280
<v Speaker 7>George is the one who turned me on to the

756
00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:55.559
<v Speaker 7>Corporation book by Joel Bakhan, who was like, oh, it

757
00:46:55.599 --> 00:46:57.960
<v Speaker 7>has to be profits over people, but they don't have

758
00:46:58.159 --> 00:47:01.400
<v Speaker 7>to be. There's actually a variation on corporations called public

759
00:47:01.480 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 7>benefit corporations where they don't have to do that. And

760
00:47:04.159 --> 00:47:07.239
<v Speaker 7>then corporations are just a body of people incorporated to

761
00:47:07.559 --> 00:47:10.400
<v Speaker 7>cooperate with each other that you can actually do any

762
00:47:10.440 --> 00:47:12.800
<v Speaker 7>way you want. And so we're doing it with earned

763
00:47:12.840 --> 00:47:15.400
<v Speaker 7>governance where the workers have work weighted votes. It's not

764
00:47:15.519 --> 00:47:18.320
<v Speaker 7>one person, one vote, where a person walks up and

765
00:47:18.440 --> 00:47:20.400
<v Speaker 7>can have an equal vote to someone who's been working there.

766
00:47:20.760 --> 00:47:25.280
<v Speaker 7>It's actually earned over time, and we're launching it as

767
00:47:25.320 --> 00:47:29.199
<v Speaker 7>an accelerator program. We call it workers dot VC. So

768
00:47:29.559 --> 00:47:32.760
<v Speaker 7>we're taking back the venture capitalist idea, We're taking back

769
00:47:32.840 --> 00:47:34.880
<v Speaker 7>the corporations, We're taking back all the ways that we

770
00:47:34.960 --> 00:47:38.280
<v Speaker 7>cooperate with each other, because it turns out that people

771
00:47:38.400 --> 00:47:41.400
<v Speaker 7>are especially young people, they are struggling, they are exhausted,

772
00:47:41.480 --> 00:47:44.519
<v Speaker 7>and they need a way to work together to earn together.

773
00:47:44.599 --> 00:47:46.039
<v Speaker 7>And that's one of the best ways that you can

774
00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:48.880
<v Speaker 7>reduce hate in some ways. I'm a software engineer. I

775
00:47:48.960 --> 00:47:52.280
<v Speaker 7>have Indians and pakistanis that work together. You know, we

776
00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:55.039
<v Speaker 7>have all kinds of people work together. We just work

777
00:47:55.079 --> 00:47:57.360
<v Speaker 7>together because we want to get the job done. And

778
00:47:57.480 --> 00:48:01.559
<v Speaker 7>I believe that shared society through work and creating something

779
00:48:01.599 --> 00:48:04.079
<v Speaker 7>together that actually feeds us and nurtures us and maybe

780
00:48:04.159 --> 00:48:06.360
<v Speaker 7>recycles batteries. We're going to talk to someone who might

781
00:48:06.440 --> 00:48:10.559
<v Speaker 7>join with a with a recycling startup. We can make

782
00:48:10.920 --> 00:48:13.719
<v Speaker 7>something happen ourselves and the grassroots up without waiting for

783
00:48:13.800 --> 00:48:16.039
<v Speaker 7>anyone to tell us that we can. We can just

784
00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:18.320
<v Speaker 7>do it. And so it's workers dot BC. We're looking

785
00:48:18.360 --> 00:48:21.800
<v Speaker 7>for mentors and founders and advisors and networks and all

786
00:48:21.880 --> 00:48:24.000
<v Speaker 7>of that. And we might put Alanovo in, which is

787
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:27.440
<v Speaker 7>George's startup, which was a nonprofit, but since it doesn't

788
00:48:27.440 --> 00:48:29.159
<v Speaker 7>have any money, it might as well just be a corporation.

789
00:48:30.639 --> 00:48:35.039
<v Speaker 7>And it's for for making helping consumers buy and align

790
00:48:35.159 --> 00:48:37.000
<v Speaker 7>with their value. So that might be in there, and

791
00:48:37.079 --> 00:48:38.519
<v Speaker 7>you could join that and get a part of it,

792
00:48:38.639 --> 00:48:41.599
<v Speaker 7>and maybe we'll just all do well together and ignore

793
00:48:41.639 --> 00:48:42.320
<v Speaker 7>these guys with their.

794
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<v Speaker 5>Get me, hey, give some of that. Give me, give me,

795
00:48:46.320 --> 00:48:47.000
<v Speaker 5>give me some of that.

796
00:48:49.519 --> 00:48:52.599
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean it's important that people, you know, you

797
00:48:52.639 --> 00:48:56.079
<v Speaker 2>know workers. You read in the papers, you read in

798
00:48:56.159 --> 00:48:59.920
<v Speaker 2>the Times that people are still working crazy, insane hours,

799
00:49:00.039 --> 00:49:03.480
<v Speaker 2>so they're not getting off of work. They're not they're

800
00:49:03.480 --> 00:49:06.320
<v Speaker 2>getting a week paid vacation when in Europe it's like

801
00:49:06.440 --> 00:49:10.280
<v Speaker 2>five six weeks. They're not getting childcare, they're not getting healthcare.

802
00:49:10.679 --> 00:49:13.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, at this point, the worker is just went

803
00:49:13.800 --> 00:49:17.239
<v Speaker 2>back again. It seems like we're going in the reverse way.

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00:49:17.360 --> 00:49:18.000
<v Speaker 5>A lot of times.

805
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<v Speaker 7>It's global, just very quickly.

806
00:49:19.480 --> 00:49:20.039
<v Speaker 6>It's global.

807
00:49:20.039 --> 00:49:23.199
<v Speaker 7>It's not just the US, right, our elected CEO is

808
00:49:23.239 --> 00:49:25.920
<v Speaker 7>actually in Nairobi. It's very late there, so she didn't

809
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:28.599
<v Speaker 7>join us. But it's actually global. We don't have to

810
00:49:29.239 --> 00:49:32.000
<v Speaker 7>these boundaries. This whole money, this nation boundaries are just

811
00:49:32.079 --> 00:49:34.360
<v Speaker 7>myths we made up. We don't like to do something.

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<v Speaker 2>Else right right, Well, there's a lot of good stuff

813
00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.239
<v Speaker 2>that you, all of you are doing and have done

814
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<v Speaker 2>and continue to do. Which is why when I look

815
00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.480
<v Speaker 2>at things, I see hope in a lot of ways

816
00:49:48.119 --> 00:49:51.679
<v Speaker 2>versus the horrible stuff that you see coming at us

817
00:49:51.760 --> 00:49:54.480
<v Speaker 2>every day. It's like they're taking spears and constantly throwing

818
00:49:54.760 --> 00:49:57.039
<v Speaker 2>and we have the the shields.

819
00:49:57.119 --> 00:49:57.280
<v Speaker 8>You know.

820
00:49:57.760 --> 00:50:02.280
<v Speaker 2>Again, go see The Odyssey. Yeah, it'll it's an intense,

821
00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:05.320
<v Speaker 2>intense movie, but it but it's it mirrors a lot

822
00:50:05.400 --> 00:50:08.239
<v Speaker 2>of things here currently, so that's why you know it's

823
00:50:08.280 --> 00:50:09.679
<v Speaker 2>it's it's a good movie to see.

824
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<v Speaker 5>Anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how much you can get in, George,

826
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<v Speaker 2>because I think we kind of hit the hit the mark.

827
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<v Speaker 2>So if there's anything any you know, you want to

828
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<v Speaker 2>throw in something quick and anyone else wants to rap

829
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<v Speaker 2>with something now that I'd like.

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<v Speaker 8>To Marco and I'd like to play off on what

831
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<v Speaker 8>you started the show with, and it's it's this idea

832
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<v Speaker 8>of harmony and peace. And I recently attended a live

833
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<v Speaker 8>performance of Joni Mitchell's music in Los Angeles at the

834
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:41.760
<v Speaker 8>Pole perform. It was sensational, so you were talking about

835
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<v Speaker 8>the sixties and seventies. Everybody on the show and anybody

836
00:50:45.119 --> 00:50:49.360
<v Speaker 8>listening can tune into Joni Mitchell on Pandora and you

837
00:50:49.480 --> 00:50:52.639
<v Speaker 8>will get the their prayers. Her song's lyrics are really

838
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<v Speaker 8>prayers and active and she's amazing and it was all revived.

839
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<v Speaker 8>I thought it was her singing, it wasn't, but it

840
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<v Speaker 8>was her words and lyrics rearranged. It was brilliant, and

841
00:51:03.559 --> 00:51:05.719
<v Speaker 8>I think we should just all tune into that and

842
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.760
<v Speaker 8>just draw in and take her words and lyrics as

843
00:51:09.840 --> 00:51:14.280
<v Speaker 8>our intentions, as our prayers to transform our country.

844
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<v Speaker 5>In the world.

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<v Speaker 8>And it is doable. We've done it before, we need

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<v Speaker 8>to do it again and for keeps this.

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<v Speaker 2>Time yep, absolutely great. Anyone else timing in before we

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<v Speaker 2>have to hit out.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I just briefly wanted to say everybody here is

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<v Speaker 6>so inspiring and thank you. Golda and I have been

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<v Speaker 6>conspiring together for over twenty years on public good and

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<v Speaker 6>she's doing amazing work. I just wanted to say from

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<v Speaker 6>a tangible perspective. Everyone listening, make sure you check your

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<v Speaker 6>voter registration that it's still active and current. If you're

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<v Speaker 6>not registered, register. We need the eighty million people that

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<v Speaker 6>did not vote in twenty twenty four to vote, because

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<v Speaker 6>one thing that can really help with the selection and

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<v Speaker 6>concerns over his subversion is a tsunami of informed, educated

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<v Speaker 6>voters coming to the polls that will not accept any

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<v Speaker 6>kind of any kind of corruption or subversion by this government.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, we need we need millions of people, millions and

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<v Speaker 2>millions of millions of voices. I actually wrote a song

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<v Speaker 2>by that name. Uh and Joony Mitchell is wow near

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<v Speaker 2>and dear to my heart.

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<v Speaker 5>So thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Yolanda for bringing her up. She's quite quite something.

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<v Speaker 2>So we're gonna peace out.

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<v Speaker 5>We're gonna you know this, this this group has been amazing.

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<v Speaker 2>I would love to have you back again in the

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<v Speaker 2>fall sometime. Maybe we need to get some of the

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<v Speaker 2>more Georgia stuff out, so we will. But George, thanks

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<v Speaker 2>for getting this, this, this wonderful group of people together,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we're gonna sign it off, and I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say thanks everyone for joining us, for the many shades

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<v Speaker 2>of green, for more info and shows, go to Hudson

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<v Speaker 2>River Radio dot com, Malcolm Presents dot com and the

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<v Speaker 2>A shout out to Neil, Neil, what can I say?

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<v Speaker 5>You know how I feel? To Brian and Malcolm for

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<v Speaker 5>their help.

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<v Speaker 2>Remember, always pick a shade of green and raise your

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<v Speaker 2>eco and social consciousness Maxi, Margar Rubin and we'll see

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<v Speaker 2>you again next time.

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