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To reach your target audience and their 12 00:00:32.439 --> 00:00:36.280 favorite podcasts with libsynads, go to libsynads dot com. That's 13 00:00:36.439 --> 00:00:39.640 l I B s y n ads dot com Today. 14 00:00:43.759 --> 00:00:47.640 Remaining and live man like this man letting butterfly flattening 15 00:00:47.719 --> 00:00:49.119 wing big down in our force. 16 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:51.960 Man, it don't cause a tree fall, letting five thousand 17 00:00:52.000 --> 00:01:03.759 miles away. Man, nobody see nobody else you know? And 18 00:01:03.880 --> 00:01:22.319 you got back a night on the Pan. All right. 19 00:01:22.959 --> 00:01:28.000 After many technical difficulties, Nick, we're finally here. Thank you 20 00:01:28.040 --> 00:01:30.439 for bearing with me. So, Nick Griffin, welcome to the 21 00:01:30.480 --> 00:01:33.120 Jay Burton Show. How are you doing oh very well, 22 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:33.920 Thank you very much. 23 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:36.239 I'm looking forward to it. 24 00:01:36.239 --> 00:01:41.200 It's interesting because you're someone that I have from a 25 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:44.799 distance followed for quite some time, remember hearing about you. 26 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.159 I mean even going back to writings from the past 27 00:01:47.159 --> 00:01:50.519 twenty years, and I had no idea, to be perfectly honest, 28 00:01:50.519 --> 00:01:53.079 you were still around until I stumbled across your very 29 00:01:53.200 --> 00:01:56.719 very good substack. It's sort of the best thing about substack, right, 30 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:59.519 it's sort of a collectionist of who's who over you know, 31 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:03.159 the sort of great edge of things. And so obviously 32 00:02:03.159 --> 00:02:05.439 I'm familiar with who you are and what you've done, 33 00:02:05.439 --> 00:02:08.159 but some of my audience might not be. So who 34 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:09.520 are you and what do you do. 35 00:02:10.960 --> 00:02:16.080 Well? I'm really the long term figure now in British nationalism. 36 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:19.080 I joined the National Front, which at the time Britain's 37 00:02:19.199 --> 00:02:23.120 primary nationalist and especially anti immigration party, when I was 38 00:02:23.159 --> 00:02:26.120 fifteen in nineteen seventy four. Had actually been involved in 39 00:02:26.159 --> 00:02:29.240 the Conservative Party, our equivalent of your Republicans for a 40 00:02:29.280 --> 00:02:33.120 couple of years before that. So I've been involved in 41 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:36.439 political campaigning for more than fifty years. I don't even 42 00:02:36.479 --> 00:02:39.840 feel at all, but there you go. Then I was 43 00:02:39.879 --> 00:02:42.680 involved in the National fronts, first of as an ordinary activist, 44 00:02:43.400 --> 00:02:47.360 then as a serious campaigner leader at one time, and 45 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:50.919 then switched in the early nineteen nineties from the National 46 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:54.000 Front which was finished to the British National Party, which 47 00:02:54.039 --> 00:02:57.719 I took from being a frankly bad electoral joke called 48 00:02:57.719 --> 00:03:02.039 bad political joke into being an organization which was the 49 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:07.479 first serious electoral challenge in electoral insurgency against the uniparty 50 00:03:07.599 --> 00:03:11.439 in Britain from the right briddit they'd ever had. And 51 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:14.000 for more than ten years, it's more than fourteen nearness 52 00:03:14.439 --> 00:03:17.719 in every single election in Britain there was whatever the 53 00:03:17.759 --> 00:03:21.360 main election issue was, plus the secondary thing was always 54 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:23.879 about the British National Party and the threat of the 55 00:03:23.879 --> 00:03:27.439 British National Party. So we gave the political elite literally 56 00:03:27.639 --> 00:03:31.120 nightmares for more than ten years. And although in the 57 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:34.599 end politically we failed, we were the ones who broke 58 00:03:34.639 --> 00:03:37.879 the logjam. Before we were around in a threat, the 59 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:42.199 old parties were able simply not to talk about certain issues, 60 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:46.400 particularly about immigration and the grooming gang scandal, and we 61 00:03:46.520 --> 00:03:48.879 forced them to talk about that because they realized if 62 00:03:48.919 --> 00:03:51.360 they wouldn't talk about it and at least pretend to 63 00:03:51.400 --> 00:03:54.039 think about doing something more people would turn to us. 64 00:03:54.479 --> 00:03:57.039 Even more important than that, in the course of blocking 65 00:03:57.280 --> 00:04:00.759 the British National Party, the BBC particularly but the whole 66 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:05.439 of the liberal media actively promoted Nigel Farage on an 67 00:04:05.479 --> 00:04:09.080 amazing scale. It was frankly, it was almost obscene to 68 00:04:09.159 --> 00:04:14.479 have these anti British pro European Union organizations, especially the BBC, 69 00:04:15.039 --> 00:04:18.560 promoting Farage and it's quite open to block us. So 70 00:04:18.680 --> 00:04:21.800 the law of unintended consequences is a very powerful thing 71 00:04:21.839 --> 00:04:25.079 in politics. He do something for one purpose and you know, 72 00:04:25.160 --> 00:04:27.680 things happened as a consequence he didn't intend, and in 73 00:04:27.720 --> 00:04:32.199 this case, in blocking US, by boosting Farage in UKIP 74 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.480 as it was at that time, they actually created a 75 00:04:35.560 --> 00:04:40.160 monster which in the enforced a referendum, got Brexit, arguably 76 00:04:40.240 --> 00:04:43.240 for good or ell therefore helped get Trump elected because 77 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:48.160 in his first election campaign, Farage's presence and recent success 78 00:04:48.279 --> 00:04:51.639 was a very big thing, and basically it led to 79 00:04:51.639 --> 00:04:53.720 where we are today, which is, for now a year 80 00:04:54.759 --> 00:04:59.480 the Farag's new party, Reform has been leading the opinion polls, 81 00:05:00.079 --> 00:05:03.240 sometimes having almost as many people supporting it as both 82 00:05:03.319 --> 00:05:06.160 the previous parties of government that's in it, you know, 83 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:10.079 the Labor Party and the Tories, your Democrats, your Republicans. 84 00:05:10.480 --> 00:05:13.600 This electual surgency sprang from the fact that the British 85 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:16.000 National Party broke the mold. 86 00:05:17.240 --> 00:05:19.199 There are several things there that are interesting that you 87 00:05:19.240 --> 00:05:23.439 bring up. One of them is, look, I'm a distant observer, right, 88 00:05:23.519 --> 00:05:26.879 I am not on the ground in your nation, but 89 00:05:26.959 --> 00:05:29.360 there are certain things I pick up from across the Atlantic. 90 00:05:29.759 --> 00:05:32.959 And one of them, there's sort of this this rogue's gallery, right, 91 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:37.000 this cast of characters that your media loves to hate. Obviously, 92 00:05:37.519 --> 00:05:40.680 Enoch Powell is a major figure there, you know Mosley 93 00:05:40.720 --> 00:05:44.800 if they're particularly well educated. But the BNP is one 94 00:05:44.839 --> 00:05:49.879 of those major boogeymen. So I'm curious to what degree 95 00:05:50.879 --> 00:05:54.360 has that affected you, right, being this sort of national boogeyman, right, 96 00:05:54.439 --> 00:05:57.279 this sort of symbol of eternal evil. 97 00:05:58.120 --> 00:06:00.360 Interesting question. Before we come on with answer for that, 98 00:06:00.399 --> 00:06:02.800 you might like to notice, probably difficult on your camera. 99 00:06:03.079 --> 00:06:05.879 This is a bust to being not Powell. It's a 100 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:09.639 bronze bust and it was actually he sat for this sculptor. 101 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:12.079 There only three of them ever made, and this one 102 00:06:12.199 --> 00:06:15.360 was supposed Powell thought it was great, and it was 103 00:06:15.399 --> 00:06:18.879 supposed to go into the House of Parliament where there's 104 00:06:18.959 --> 00:06:20.560 various you can action in the size of the place. 105 00:06:20.560 --> 00:06:23.560 It's a rabbit's warren, so on various of the window sills, 106 00:06:23.600 --> 00:06:28.800 there's busts of previous parliamentarians. Powell was a great parliamentarian 107 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:30.959 and it would have been quite normal, vise busts to 108 00:06:31.079 --> 00:06:34.040 have ended up somewhere in Parliament, perhaps in a corridor, 109 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:36.000 but it should have been there. And of course the 110 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:39.800 liberal left elite, which includes the Conservative Party, at one 111 00:06:39.800 --> 00:06:42.879 stage his party refused to have him, which is how 112 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:45.399 I ended up with this bust. It should be sat 113 00:06:45.439 --> 00:06:47.240 in the House of Commons, but it isn't. It's here 114 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:50.360 with me because Powell was demonized, but not as much 115 00:06:50.360 --> 00:06:52.759 as I was demonized. So as you said, what effect 116 00:06:52.759 --> 00:06:59.360 did it have on me? Well, for at least twenty years, 117 00:07:00.279 --> 00:07:03.279 I didn't walk down a street anywhere in this country 118 00:07:04.639 --> 00:07:07.839 without just looking around as I'm going, just keeping an 119 00:07:07.839 --> 00:07:10.600 eye open. There's a skit there, there's some rubbish there, 120 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:12.480 so there's a bottle there, there's a brick there, there's 121 00:07:12.519 --> 00:07:14.639 a lump of wood there. That's a potential weapon for 122 00:07:14.680 --> 00:07:18.120 someone against me. Push comes to sharvit to potential weapon 123 00:07:18.160 --> 00:07:21.079 for me against an assailant, so I don't think that's 124 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:23.519 normal actually to live your life like that. And I've 125 00:07:23.600 --> 00:07:27.600 never done a Caine, yes, So that was really how 126 00:07:27.600 --> 00:07:33.279 it is. My children were young and at school. So when, 127 00:07:33.319 --> 00:07:35.759 for instance, in one of my trials, my daughter had 128 00:07:35.800 --> 00:07:37.800 just gone up to her senior school at the age 129 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:41.199 of eleven, and they had to repaint the girl's toilets 130 00:07:41.240 --> 00:07:45.279 twice because it was covered in graffiti against my eleven 131 00:07:45.360 --> 00:07:49.439 year old daughter and her dad. My wife was a 132 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:53.879 very very senior level and very skilled specialist nurse, and 133 00:07:54.319 --> 00:07:58.120 she was repeatedly given top level nursing awards, which the 134 00:07:58.199 --> 00:08:01.959 nursing press would report on. Yes, within twenty four hours 135 00:08:02.199 --> 00:08:05.720 that report was down because the usual suspects stalking me 136 00:08:05.759 --> 00:08:07.720 and everything to do with me would have got into 137 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:09.879 touch with the nursing press saying get that off. Don't 138 00:08:09.879 --> 00:08:12.399 you realize whose wife that is? She should have had 139 00:08:12.720 --> 00:08:15.519 national awards and one of the awards whereby you go 140 00:08:15.560 --> 00:08:17.560 and meet the queen or king and get it. She 141 00:08:17.600 --> 00:08:19.680 should have had one of those, never did because she 142 00:08:19.759 --> 00:08:25.279 was my wife. So in family terms, it's been quite 143 00:08:25.279 --> 00:08:28.800 hard at times. On the other hand, it's been tremendous fun. 144 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:32.399 You know. I was told many years ago by one 145 00:08:32.440 --> 00:08:34.600 of the see if people think, my god, he's old 146 00:08:34.600 --> 00:08:37.360 with fifty years of experience. On top of that, I've 147 00:08:37.360 --> 00:08:39.519 got to a degree in the experience of people I 148 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:42.240 knew when I was young. So when I was young, 149 00:08:42.279 --> 00:08:45.679 there were people involved in the movements who'd been with 150 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:49.759 Moseley at Cable Street. And the length of time between 151 00:08:49.840 --> 00:08:53.440 Cable Street and then my early involvement was shorter than 152 00:08:53.480 --> 00:08:57.720 the time that I've been involved in politics. So there's 153 00:08:57.919 --> 00:09:00.960 one hell of a lot of experience that I can 154 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:04.840 go back to. There. One of the old hands so 155 00:09:04.919 --> 00:09:06.679 to me when I was very young, first getting involved, 156 00:09:06.720 --> 00:09:08.759 he said, look, Nick, what you've got to decide with 157 00:09:08.799 --> 00:09:10.720 your life is are you really going to do something 158 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:13.679 with your life or just go through it? And he says, 159 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:20.480 how delicate are your audience? Does the occasional Anglo saxon 160 00:09:20.519 --> 00:09:24.720 word right and them on on right? Fine? Believe everyone's born, 161 00:09:24.799 --> 00:09:30.080 everyone eats, so everyone shats, everyone fucks, everyone dies, or 162 00:09:30.120 --> 00:09:32.240 you can do something with your life which actually makes 163 00:09:32.240 --> 00:09:35.279 a difference. And the first thing is to find the 164 00:09:35.360 --> 00:09:38.879 right girl, get married, have children, And the second thing 165 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:42.080 is to do something that makes a difference. And that 166 00:09:42.159 --> 00:09:44.279 I've done and I haven't finished yet. 167 00:09:46.000 --> 00:09:50.559 Well, and this is why I enjoy talking to the 168 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.639 early adopters. Relatively recently, I was speaking to Peter Brimolo, 169 00:09:54.840 --> 00:09:57.960 obviously atle bit older than you, and he again has 170 00:09:58.039 --> 00:10:03.080 faced very intense reprisals for what he's done in our country, 171 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:07.600 and I think for many of us in dissidence, even 172 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:13.000 myself have faced stiff consequences for that. But the question is, well, 173 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:16.200 to be honest, how much do you believe it? Do 174 00:10:16.240 --> 00:10:17.480 you believe that your rate or not? 175 00:10:18.399 --> 00:10:20.600 Yes, certainly believe I'm right. One more thing, by the way, 176 00:10:20.639 --> 00:10:24.960 of course, as well as the physical problems like that, 177 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:29.879 I've also been in court under the Race Relations Act 178 00:10:29.919 --> 00:10:33.759 the Anti Free Speech Act three times, facing a prison sentence. 179 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:35.679 The first time I'm out to two years, the second 180 00:10:35.720 --> 00:10:39.480 and third time of up to seven years. And I've 181 00:10:39.519 --> 00:10:44.480 also been in the civil courts with law fair from 182 00:10:45.000 --> 00:10:49.679 the main desionist attack organizations and the British State which 183 00:10:50.399 --> 00:10:54.320 could have put me in prison for contempt at court 184 00:10:55.080 --> 00:10:58.360 and or bankrupted me. I've been bankrupted twice. First time 185 00:10:58.440 --> 00:11:01.440 was actually largely just you know, personal thing, the way 186 00:11:01.440 --> 00:11:03.159 you're trying to get things done and all the rest 187 00:11:03.159 --> 00:11:05.320 of it that was just a property that was properly stuff. 188 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:08.399 The second time, the bankruptcy was purely law fair by 189 00:11:08.399 --> 00:11:10.879 the British State. So yeah, I've had lots of it, 190 00:11:11.679 --> 00:11:15.200 but no, it doesn't matter because I believe it. Yeah, absolutely, 191 00:11:16.399 --> 00:11:20.399 I was offered a I studied law at Cambridge University, 192 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:25.440 got the degree, and was a little bit after a 193 00:11:25.480 --> 00:11:28.000 little one after that, offered a place at a really 194 00:11:28.039 --> 00:11:31.840 good barrister's chambers, that's the barristers an advocate, I think 195 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.480 you'd say, But it was on condition that it gave 196 00:11:34.559 --> 00:11:38.279 up politics. So I said, no, that's it. So I 197 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:42.440 could have had a far more comfortable life somewhere else, 198 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:46.159 but it wouldn't have been such an interesting life, nor 199 00:11:46.240 --> 00:11:49.480 I believe such a good life, whether you believe my own. 200 00:11:49.399 --> 00:11:52.480 Trumpet, none at all. And I think that that is 201 00:11:54.240 --> 00:11:58.159 that sort of deal with the devil right was perhaps 202 00:11:59.120 --> 00:12:04.519 it was perhaps more obscured decades ago, because now, and 203 00:12:04.559 --> 00:12:06.360 this is something that it's been kind of interesting to 204 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:09.320 see because in both America and at least according to 205 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:14.159 Poles in your nation, the youth is relatively speaking to 206 00:12:14.200 --> 00:12:16.159 the right of their elders, which is sort of an 207 00:12:16.240 --> 00:12:19.000 unusual thing, and I think a large portion of that 208 00:12:19.200 --> 00:12:23.080 is that it is extremely difficult for a straight white, 209 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:26.879 particularly religious and by that we mean Christian male, to 210 00:12:26.960 --> 00:12:30.080 become part of that coalition. Yes, you can either become 211 00:12:30.480 --> 00:12:34.360 entirely self effacing. You can become embarrassed of yourself. I 212 00:12:34.399 --> 00:12:37.039 guess you could put on address that might help. To 213 00:12:37.039 --> 00:12:40.120 be honest, there isn't really an option, and so that 214 00:12:40.120 --> 00:12:43.159 that bribery right to sort of ignore what you see 215 00:12:43.200 --> 00:12:47.480 going on is much more difficult. And you know, you 216 00:12:47.480 --> 00:12:49.279 could look at that and say, you know, there is 217 00:12:49.279 --> 00:12:52.320 a dispossession in that, and I certainly agree. But on 218 00:12:52.360 --> 00:12:55.639 the other hand, if you believe that you and I 219 00:12:55.679 --> 00:13:01.559 are right, and obviously both of us do incredible accelerant 220 00:13:01.720 --> 00:13:06.120 to our cars. Because again there really are there are 221 00:13:06.120 --> 00:13:09.320 a few options. A choice must be made, so you 222 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:10.799 mentioned earlier. 223 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:12.159 Kind of just come in there, just one more thing 224 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:16.000 before we going go on that. The one big difference 225 00:13:16.600 --> 00:13:19.080 is that when I made that choice at the age 226 00:13:19.120 --> 00:13:21.120 of twenty one, in a way, I've made the choice 227 00:13:21.159 --> 00:13:24.000 at the age of fifteen, when I decided to go 228 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:26.519 to join the National Front instead of staying with the 229 00:13:26.559 --> 00:13:31.120 Conservative Party. When I made that choice. I was completely alone. Basically, 230 00:13:31.200 --> 00:13:33.080 there was no one else at school thought like me. 231 00:13:33.919 --> 00:13:35.720 There was no one near the village where I lived, 232 00:13:36.080 --> 00:13:39.120 you know, youngsters thought like me. When I was even 233 00:13:39.120 --> 00:13:41.320 in the National Front, I was then surrounded by young 234 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:44.279 lads who thought exactly like me, but they were all 235 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:47.399 working class kids. I was a middle class kid, So 236 00:13:47.440 --> 00:13:50.600 I was victually completely alone in that. Whereas youngsters making 237 00:13:50.600 --> 00:13:53.720 that move now, well, I think in many places you'd 238 00:13:53.759 --> 00:13:55.879 be the odd one out. Now if, as a young lad, 239 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:58.480 certainly the age of fifteen sixteen, to be a leftist, 240 00:13:58.559 --> 00:14:01.759 to be a multiculturalist, be pro feminist, you'd be a freak. 241 00:14:02.879 --> 00:14:05.600 So to that extent, it's to that extent it's easier. 242 00:14:05.720 --> 00:14:07.559 One more thing on that before we come back to 243 00:14:07.159 --> 00:14:11.799 your next point that if any of your young viewers 244 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:13.919 now or in the future, of someone finding this perhaps 245 00:14:13.919 --> 00:14:16.399 at some point is in this position, perhaps they've just 246 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:20.120 been doxed, or they're afraid of being doxed. I put 247 00:14:20.120 --> 00:14:21.919 on substack one of the first things I wrote, it's 248 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:24.679 a couple of months ago now, a letter to a 249 00:14:24.720 --> 00:14:29.000 young doxed nationalist and honestly anyone, And it was actually 250 00:14:29.039 --> 00:14:32.360 a letter which I wrote to a real young American nationalist. 251 00:14:32.360 --> 00:14:35.120 I won't give his name a few years ago, so 252 00:14:35.120 --> 00:14:37.919 I put it on there, and I really put a 253 00:14:37.919 --> 00:14:39.639 lot of thoughts into that. I value what this young 254 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:41.720 app was doing. Put a lot of thoughts into it. 255 00:14:41.759 --> 00:14:44.320 Is a lot of my experiences. It's a heartfelt piece. 256 00:14:44.480 --> 00:14:47.679 If anyone's worried about being doxed or is just it's happened, 257 00:14:47.679 --> 00:14:49.799 and it's the end of the world, go on, substack 258 00:14:49.879 --> 00:14:52.399 on mine, Nick Griffin, beyond the Pale and find that 259 00:14:52.480 --> 00:14:54.799 letter to a doxed young nationalist, and I hope it'll 260 00:14:54.799 --> 00:14:57.080 give you some comfort and guidance. So now back over 261 00:14:57.120 --> 00:14:59.279 to you, Jack. Sorry, no, no, not at all. And 262 00:15:00.000 --> 00:15:02.559 that exact dynamic you're talking about where you and many 263 00:15:02.559 --> 00:15:05.679 others were alone right kind of these these voices from 264 00:15:05.679 --> 00:15:08.120 the wilderness, is precisely why I enjoy talking to you, 265 00:15:08.639 --> 00:15:12.480 because you were early adopters, right well ahead of the curve, 266 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:15.559 identifying trends that it you know, as of current writing 267 00:15:15.600 --> 00:15:18.399 are almost so obvious it's not worth pointing them out 268 00:15:19.000 --> 00:15:20.639 right like, we don't need to, we don't need to, 269 00:15:20.840 --> 00:15:25.000 we don't need to justify claims about replacement migration. You 270 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:25.840 can look. 271 00:15:25.639 --> 00:15:29.759 Outside right, whereas you know, forty years ago that was 272 00:15:29.799 --> 00:15:33.159 a prediction. And I think there's a lot to there's 273 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:36.360 a lot to learn in that several things I want 274 00:15:36.360 --> 00:15:39.759 to get into because I haven't read that piece actually, 275 00:15:39.840 --> 00:15:42.200 but you know, I have been docked. I assume many 276 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:45.679 people around me have been as well. It's uh, it's 277 00:15:45.679 --> 00:15:50.480 incredibly disconcerted because, of course, as you've said, the press 278 00:15:50.519 --> 00:15:53.480 will never directly threaten you. They'll never say We're going 279 00:15:53.519 --> 00:15:55.840 to bash your brick, your your head in with a brick. 280 00:15:57.399 --> 00:16:00.720 But the implication is there, of course, because it is 281 00:16:01.759 --> 00:16:06.639 we are telling everyone else, however unhinged, where you live, 282 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:09.879 what you do, what your name is, and the most 283 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:13.080 uncharitable view of how you are a threat to this 284 00:16:13.279 --> 00:16:17.320 kind of godless you know, satanic globalist state religion. Kind 285 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:19.440 of joking, but also kind of not when I say that. 286 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:22.879 And so if you wouldn't mind just kind of briefly 287 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:25.639 summarizing your remarks, because I'm really interested to get your 288 00:16:25.639 --> 00:16:28.039 take on that, we'll give. 289 00:16:27.879 --> 00:16:31.159 You a again, a personal anecdote from the dimmer distance past. 290 00:16:31.200 --> 00:16:34.279 Because I've been doxed, and not in the usual way 291 00:16:34.320 --> 00:16:39.360 I've doxed myself. So when I was at school, I 292 00:16:39.519 --> 00:16:42.559 was openly National Front and so on. When I went 293 00:16:42.600 --> 00:16:47.279 to university, for the first few weeks I talked about 294 00:16:47.919 --> 00:16:51.200 politics for people and so on. A fact I because 295 00:16:51.279 --> 00:16:53.559 the National Front was big in the news in nineteen 296 00:16:53.559 --> 00:16:57.120 seventy seven. So I told people within my college, yeah, 297 00:16:57.320 --> 00:16:59.559 I'm in the National Front. Bit of shock. But it 298 00:16:59.600 --> 00:17:02.080 was a rather sports based college. No one really David 299 00:17:02.120 --> 00:17:05.440 Danham so to the college within the within Cambridge University 300 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:08.240 for the rest of the university didn't know, and Cambridge 301 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.720 University at Oxford as well. They each have a very 302 00:17:10.720 --> 00:17:14.640 famous institution, the Union, which is a debating society. And 303 00:17:14.759 --> 00:17:16.920 I hadn't been at the UNI for more than a 304 00:17:16.920 --> 00:17:20.319 few weeks when there was a debate in the Cambridge 305 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:23.920 Union on the subject this House would ban the National Front. 306 00:17:25.279 --> 00:17:27.160 So I went in arms. I was a member of 307 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:28.240 the of the Union. I've been to a few of 308 00:17:28.240 --> 00:17:32.119 the debates, hadn't spoken and this came up, and then 309 00:17:32.519 --> 00:17:34.559 it was you got to the station of the debate 310 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:37.000 for points from the floor. So I got up and 311 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:43.079 went to the front and spoke for the motion as 312 00:17:43.079 --> 00:17:46.240 a member of the National Front. I said, because I 313 00:17:46.319 --> 00:17:48.240 wanted to defeat the motion was the point. So I 314 00:17:48.240 --> 00:17:51.319 spoke for the motion, saying, look, we're a revolutionary organization. 315 00:17:51.480 --> 00:17:54.720 All revolutionary organizations have to be hardened by a period 316 00:17:54.759 --> 00:17:58.799 of be legat of persecution and illegality, therefore bringing up 317 00:18:00.519 --> 00:18:04.319 to much of the discomfort of the other people proposing 318 00:18:04.359 --> 00:18:07.960 and supporusing the motion. Anyway, the motion was rejected and 319 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:10.880 I walked out, and really, other than being quite pleased 320 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:12.440 with myself because I'd heard several people say that was 321 00:18:12.440 --> 00:18:15.119 a really good speech from the n F bloke, but 322 00:18:15.240 --> 00:18:17.000 that was it. Thought nothing more of it until two 323 00:18:17.039 --> 00:18:21.160 days later a knock on my dig's door and there's 324 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:26.440 two reporters from the student paper. So the next issue 325 00:18:26.519 --> 00:18:29.359 I'm on the front page. At one point not long 326 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:32.160 after that, they actually then they printed a picture of 327 00:18:32.160 --> 00:18:35.839 the digs that I lived in, with an arrow an 328 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:40.039 anti Nazi League garrow, pointing to the window that they 329 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:42.759 thought I lived in. Funnily enough, it was a window 330 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:48.079 of another room occupied by the chairman of the College 331 00:18:48.119 --> 00:18:52.279 Gay Society. He was both livid and terrify. It was 332 00:18:52.279 --> 00:18:55.720 the only time we ever spoke to me. But even 333 00:18:55.759 --> 00:18:58.720 as he found out, as I found out, their bark 334 00:18:58.839 --> 00:19:01.799 is far worse than their bite. And the only thing, 335 00:19:02.119 --> 00:19:05.039 the only thing actually frightened of is being frightened. And 336 00:19:05.079 --> 00:19:10.240 they never do anything. Anyone who threatens you, especially anonymously. Yeah, 337 00:19:10.599 --> 00:19:13.160 but well no even even with their with their own 338 00:19:13.200 --> 00:19:14.920 name and so on, anyone who threatens you, they're not 339 00:19:14.960 --> 00:19:16.799 going to do it because they were going to do it. 340 00:19:16.799 --> 00:19:18.880 They wouldn't threaten you because it's put you on alert 341 00:19:19.119 --> 00:19:21.119 and it's put them possibly at legal risks, so they're 342 00:19:21.119 --> 00:19:27.440 not going to So after this, the University Socialist Workers' 343 00:19:27.440 --> 00:19:29.759 Party said I had to be driven out of the town. 344 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.680 There's no campus in Cambridge of Oxford, it's as part 345 00:19:32.720 --> 00:19:34.720 of the town, so driven out of the town. If 346 00:19:34.720 --> 00:19:36.640 you see him, attack him on site, all of this, 347 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.440 blah blah blah. I had an advantage in that by 348 00:19:39.440 --> 00:19:42.279 this stage I was in the university boxing team, so 349 00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:44.240 it didn't occur to them. I was a featherweight than 350 00:19:44.240 --> 00:19:47.880 a lightweight and actually not particularly dangerous, but I was 351 00:19:47.920 --> 00:19:50.480 dangerous enough anyway, so they left me alone. But at 352 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:55.200 one point, when there was lots of threats, I scouted 353 00:19:55.200 --> 00:19:57.319 around in a builder's skip and I got six or 354 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:04.400 seven pieces of rebar offcuts of lumps of steel and 355 00:20:04.519 --> 00:20:09.200 I went along my route between my college where we 356 00:20:09.359 --> 00:20:14.160 go to eat and tutorials and so on, and my digs, 357 00:20:14.960 --> 00:20:17.359 and every thirty yards or so, I had a piece 358 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:20.519 of this rebar stuck in a hedge someway somewhere say 359 00:20:20.519 --> 00:20:23.079 fifty yards. So I was never more than twenty five 360 00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:26.440 yards from one of my pieces of rebar. So if 361 00:20:26.480 --> 00:20:30.119 I get jumped by three or four scumbags, I've only 362 00:20:30.119 --> 00:20:31.880 got to get twenty five yards and I've got the 363 00:20:31.960 --> 00:20:35.799 drop on them. Never needed it. That's the thing. So 364 00:20:35.799 --> 00:20:37.880 you have to have the mentality that you're prepared to 365 00:20:37.920 --> 00:20:40.599 face this and deal with it. And in the end, 366 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:43.480 someone slaps you around at that age, you play rugby, 367 00:20:43.480 --> 00:20:46.440 you're boxing or whatever, you get more injury. I know 368 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:49.680 you don't, because you've got that silly, faggy American football game. 369 00:20:49.720 --> 00:20:53.680 You'll pad it up. If you're actually your bricks or 370 00:20:53.720 --> 00:20:56.400 ossies or kiwis or whatever, you play proper rugby, you're 371 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:58.400 going to get far worse in that probably than someone 372 00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:01.440 slaps you in the street. That's about it. The only 373 00:21:01.480 --> 00:21:04.720 thing you might lose, really seriously, you're going to lose 374 00:21:06.079 --> 00:21:09.759 a career in the law. You're going to lose a 375 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:13.599 big money making career. Probably, do you know what, the 376 00:21:13.640 --> 00:21:16.400 best thing that's ever happened to you. Because if you 377 00:21:16.440 --> 00:21:19.759 go into that big money making career, the girls you're 378 00:21:19.759 --> 00:21:23.119 going to meet are all from the same background. They've 379 00:21:23.119 --> 00:21:27.440 all been through the university, the top university mill and 380 00:21:27.559 --> 00:21:31.119 if they're not the lesbians, they're certainly feminists, or at 381 00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:34.839 the very best, they're careerists. Even if you marry one 382 00:21:34.839 --> 00:21:37.039 of them, she's not going to consent even think about 383 00:21:37.039 --> 00:21:39.920 having kids till she's thirty eight, by which time it's 384 00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:42.759 probably too late. You're going to get one child too. 385 00:21:42.839 --> 00:21:45.480 At the very most, you'll probably be divorced in four 386 00:21:45.559 --> 00:21:48.279 or five years. In any case, it's a disaster. You're 387 00:21:48.440 --> 00:21:51.680 again to get slightly coarse. If you go fishing in 388 00:21:52.119 --> 00:21:55.279 a sewer, you'll catch a third on your stick, on 389 00:21:55.359 --> 00:21:58.519 your hook andish. If you're looking for a girl, for 390 00:21:58.599 --> 00:22:01.559 a woman, for a life partner, for your wife, in 391 00:22:01.720 --> 00:22:05.400 a university setting or amongst women who've been to university, 392 00:22:05.640 --> 00:22:08.599 you're going to catch a feminist third. You've got. The 393 00:22:08.599 --> 00:22:13.480 place you'll find a decent woman is in a working class, 394 00:22:13.480 --> 00:22:17.000 a lower middle class, white man van type environment, or 395 00:22:17.039 --> 00:22:20.440 at church someone like that, an ordinary decent girl without 396 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:23.279 the pretensions of one who's been to a best university. 397 00:22:23.759 --> 00:22:26.039 So if you're up there with the money and so on, 398 00:22:26.279 --> 00:22:28.079 you're not going to fight the right find the right girl. 399 00:22:28.160 --> 00:22:29.519 You're not going to have a fami money. And in 400 00:22:29.559 --> 00:22:31.960 the end that sort really counts. You'll have a stack 401 00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:36.440