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Speaker 2: Remaining and live man like this man letting butterfly flattening

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wing big down in our force.

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Speaker 3: Man, it don't cause a tree fall, letting five thousand

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miles away. Man, nobody see nobody else you know? And

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you got back a night on the Pan. All right.

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Speaker 2: After many technical difficulties, Nick, we're finally here. Thank you

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for bearing with me. So, Nick Griffin, welcome to the

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Jay Burton Show. How are you doing oh very well,

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Thank you very much.

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Speaker 3: I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting because you're someone that I have from a

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distance followed for quite some time, remember hearing about you.

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I mean even going back to writings from the past

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twenty years, and I had no idea, to be perfectly honest,

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you were still around until I stumbled across your very

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very good substack. It's sort of the best thing about substack, right,

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it's sort of a collectionist of who's who over you know,

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the sort of great edge of things. And so obviously

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I'm familiar with who you are and what you've done,

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but some of my audience might not be. So who

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are you and what do you do.

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Speaker 3: Well? I'm really the long term figure now in British nationalism.

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I joined the National Front, which at the time Britain's

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primary nationalist and especially anti immigration party, when I was

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fifteen in nineteen seventy four. Had actually been involved in

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the Conservative Party, our equivalent of your Republicans for a

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couple of years before that. So I've been involved in

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political campaigning for more than fifty years. I don't even

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feel at all, but there you go. Then I was

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involved in the National fronts, first of as an ordinary activist,

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then as a serious campaigner leader at one time, and

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then switched in the early nineteen nineties from the National

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Front which was finished to the British National Party, which

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I took from being a frankly bad electoral joke called

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bad political joke into being an organization which was the

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first serious electoral challenge in electoral insurgency against the uniparty

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in Britain from the right briddit they'd ever had. And

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for more than ten years, it's more than fourteen nearness

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in every single election in Britain there was whatever the

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main election issue was, plus the secondary thing was always

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about the British National Party and the threat of the

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British National Party. So we gave the political elite literally

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nightmares for more than ten years. And although in the

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end politically we failed, we were the ones who broke

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the logjam. Before we were around in a threat, the

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old parties were able simply not to talk about certain issues,

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particularly about immigration and the grooming gang scandal, and we

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forced them to talk about that because they realized if

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they wouldn't talk about it and at least pretend to

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think about doing something more people would turn to us.

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Even more important than that, in the course of blocking

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the British National Party, the BBC particularly but the whole

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of the liberal media actively promoted Nigel Farage on an

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amazing scale. It was frankly, it was almost obscene to

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have these anti British pro European Union organizations, especially the BBC,

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promoting Farage and it's quite open to block us. So

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the law of unintended consequences is a very powerful thing

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in politics. He do something for one purpose and you know,

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things happened as a consequence he didn't intend, and in

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this case, in blocking US, by boosting Farage in UKIP

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as it was at that time, they actually created a

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monster which in the enforced a referendum, got Brexit, arguably

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for good or ell therefore helped get Trump elected because

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in his first election campaign, Farage's presence and recent success

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was a very big thing, and basically it led to

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where we are today, which is, for now a year

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the Farag's new party, Reform has been leading the opinion polls,

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sometimes having almost as many people supporting it as both

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the previous parties of government that's in it, you know,

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the Labor Party and the Tories, your Democrats, your Republicans.

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National Party broke the mold.

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Speaker 2: There are several things there that are interesting that you

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bring up. One of them is, look, I'm a distant observer, right,

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there are certain things I pick up from across the Atlantic.

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And one of them, there's sort of this this rogue's gallery, right,

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this cast of characters that your media loves to hate. Obviously,

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Enoch Powell is a major figure there, you know Mosley

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if they're particularly well educated. But the BNP is one

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of those major boogeymen. So I'm curious to what degree

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has that affected you, right, being this sort of national boogeyman, right,

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this sort of symbol of eternal evil.

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bronze bust and it was actually he sat for this sculptor.

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was supposed Powell thought it was great, and it was

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supposed to go into the House of Parliament where there's

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various you can action in the size of the place.

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there's busts of previous parliamentarians. Powell was a great parliamentarian

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and it would have been quite normal, vise busts to

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have ended up somewhere in Parliament, perhaps in a corridor,

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but it should have been there. And of course the

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liberal left elite, which includes the Conservative Party, at one

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stage his party refused to have him, which is how

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I ended up with this bust. It should be sat

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in the House of Commons, but it isn't. It's here

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with me because Powell was demonized, but not as much

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as I was demonized. So as you said, what effect

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did it have on me? Well, for at least twenty years,

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I didn't walk down a street anywhere in this country

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without just looking around as I'm going, just keeping an

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eye open. There's a skit there, there's some rubbish there,

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so there's a bottle there, there's a brick there, there's

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a lump of wood there. That's a potential weapon for

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someone against me. Push comes to sharvit to potential weapon

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for me against an assailant, so I don't think that's

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normal actually to live your life like that. And I've

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never done a Caine, yes, So that was really how

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it is. My children were young and at school. So when,

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for instance, in one of my trials, my daughter had

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just gone up to her senior school at the age

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of eleven, and they had to repaint the girl's toilets

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twice because it was covered in graffiti against my eleven

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year old daughter and her dad. My wife was a

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very very senior level and very skilled specialist nurse, and

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she was repeatedly given top level nursing awards, which the

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nursing press would report on. Yes, within twenty four hours

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that report was down because the usual suspects stalking me

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and everything to do with me would have got into

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touch with the nursing press saying get that off. Don't

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you realize whose wife that is? She should have had

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national awards and one of the awards whereby you go

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and meet the queen or king and get it. She

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should have had one of those, never did because she

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was my wife. So in family terms, it's been quite

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hard at times. On the other hand, it's been tremendous fun.

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of the see if people think, my god, he's old

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with fifty years of experience. On top of that, I've

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got to a degree in the experience of people I

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knew when I was young. So when I was young,

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there were people involved in the movements who'd been with

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Moseley at Cable Street. And the length of time between

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Cable Street and then my early involvement was shorter than

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the time that I've been involved in politics. So there's

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one hell of a lot of experience that I can

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go back to. There. One of the old hands so

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to me when I was very young, first getting involved,

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he said, look, Nick, what you've got to decide with

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your life is are you really going to do something

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with your life or just go through it? And he says,

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how delicate are your audience? Does the occasional Anglo saxon

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word right and them on on right? Fine? Believe everyone's born,

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everyone eats, so everyone shats, everyone fucks, everyone dies, or

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you can do something with your life which actually makes

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a difference. And the first thing is to find the

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right girl, get married, have children, And the second thing

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is to do something that makes a difference. And that

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I've done and I haven't finished yet.

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Speaker 2: Well, and this is why I enjoy talking to the

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early adopters. Relatively recently, I was speaking to Peter Brimolo,

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obviously atle bit older than you, and he again has

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faced very intense reprisals for what he's done in our country,

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and I think for many of us in dissidence, even

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myself have faced stiff consequences for that. But the question is, well,

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to be honest, how much do you believe it? Do

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you believe that your rate or not?

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the Anti Free Speech Act three times, facing a prison sentence.

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and third time of up to seven years. And I've

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also been in the civil courts with law fair from

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the main desionist attack organizations and the British State which

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could have put me in prison for contempt at court

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and or bankrupted me. I've been bankrupted twice. First time

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was actually largely just you know, personal thing, the way

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you're trying to get things done and all the rest

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of it that was just a property that was properly stuff.

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the British State. So yeah, I've had lots of it,

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but no, it doesn't matter because I believe it. Yeah, absolutely,

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I was offered a I studied law at Cambridge University,

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got the degree, and was a little bit after a

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little one after that, offered a place at a really

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good barrister's chambers, that's the barristers an advocate, I think

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you'd say, But it was on condition that it gave

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up politics. So I said, no, that's it. So I

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could have had a far more comfortable life somewhere else,

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but it wouldn't have been such an interesting life, nor

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I believe such a good life, whether you believe my own.

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Speaker 2: Trumpet, none at all. And I think that that is

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that sort of deal with the devil right was perhaps

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it was perhaps more obscured decades ago, because now, and

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this is something that it's been kind of interesting to

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see because in both America and at least according to

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the right of their elders, which is sort of an

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unusual thing, and I think a large portion of that

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is that it is extremely difficult for a straight white,

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particularly religious and by that we mean Christian male, to

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become part of that coalition. Yes, you can either become

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entirely self effacing. You can become embarrassed of yourself. I

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guess you could put on address that might help. To

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be honest, there isn't really an option, and so that

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that bribery right to sort of ignore what you see

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going on is much more difficult. And you know, you

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could look at that and say, you know, there is

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a dispossession in that, and I certainly agree. But on

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the other hand, if you believe that you and I

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are right, and obviously both of us do incredible accelerant

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to our cars. Because again there really are there are

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a few options. A choice must be made, so you

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Speaker 3: Kind of just come in there, just one more thing

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before we going go on that. The one big difference

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at the age of fifteen, when I decided to go

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to join the National Front instead of staying with the

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Conservative Party. When I made that choice. I was completely alone. Basically,

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there was no one else at school thought like me.

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you know, youngsters thought like me. When I was even

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in the National Front, I was then surrounded by young

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lads who thought exactly like me, but they were all

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working class kids. I was a middle class kid, So

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I was victually completely alone in that. Whereas youngsters making

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be the odd one out. Now if, as a young lad,

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certainly the age of fifteen sixteen, to be a leftist,

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to be a multiculturalist, be pro feminist, you'd be a freak.

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now or in the future, of someone finding this perhaps

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been doxed, or they're afraid of being doxed. I put

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on substack one of the first things I wrote, it's

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a couple of months ago now, a letter to a

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young doxed nationalist and honestly anyone, And it was actually

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a letter which I wrote to a real young American nationalist.

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I won't give his name a few years ago, so

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lot of thoughts into that. I value what this young

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If anyone's worried about being doxed or is just it's happened,

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and it's the end of the world, go on, substack

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on mine, Nick Griffin, beyond the Pale and find that

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letter to a doxed young nationalist, and I hope it'll

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give you some comfort and guidance. So now back over

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to you, Jack. Sorry, no, no, not at all. And

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that exact dynamic you're talking about where you and many

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others were alone right kind of these these voices from

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the wilderness, is precisely why I enjoy talking to you,

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because you were early adopters, right well ahead of the curve,

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identifying trends that it you know, as of current writing

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are almost so obvious it's not worth pointing them out

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right like, we don't need to, we don't need to,

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we don't need to justify claims about replacement migration. You

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can look.

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Speaker 2: Outside right, whereas you know, forty years ago that was

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a prediction. And I think there's a lot to there's

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a lot to learn in that several things I want

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to get into because I haven't read that piece actually,

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but you know, I have been docked. I assume many

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people around me have been as well. It's uh, it's

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incredibly disconcerted because, of course, as you've said, the press

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will never directly threaten you. They'll never say We're going

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to bash your brick, your your head in with a brick.

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But the implication is there, of course, because it is

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we are telling everyone else, however unhinged, where you live,

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what you do, what your name is, and the most

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uncharitable view of how you are a threat to this

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kind of godless you know, satanic globalist state religion. Kind

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of joking, but also kind of not when I say that.

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And so if you wouldn't mind just kind of briefly

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summarizing your remarks, because I'm really interested to get your

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take on that, we'll give.

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Speaker 3: You a again, a personal anecdote from the dimmer distance past.

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Because I've been doxed, and not in the usual way

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I've doxed myself. So when I was at school, I

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was openly National Front and so on. When I went

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to university, for the first few weeks I talked about

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politics for people and so on. A fact I because

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the National Front was big in the news in nineteen

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seventy seven. So I told people within my college, yeah,

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I'm in the National Front. Bit of shock. But it

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was a rather sports based college. No one really David

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Danham so to the college within the within Cambridge University

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for the rest of the university didn't know, and Cambridge

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University at Oxford as well. They each have a very

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famous institution, the Union, which is a debating society. And

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few weeks when there was a debate in the Cambridge

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Union on the subject this House would ban the National Front.

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So I went in arms. I was a member of

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the of the Union. I've been to a few of

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the debates, hadn't spoken and this came up, and then

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it was you got to the station of the debate

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for points from the floor. So I got up and

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went to the front and spoke for the motion as

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a member of the National Front. I said, because I

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wanted to defeat the motion was the point. So I

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spoke for the motion, saying, look, we're a revolutionary organization.

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All revolutionary organizations have to be hardened by a period

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of be legat of persecution and illegality, therefore bringing up

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to much of the discomfort of the other people proposing

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and supporusing the motion. Anyway, the motion was rejected and

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I walked out, and really, other than being quite pleased

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with myself because I'd heard several people say that was

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a really good speech from the n F bloke, but

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that was it. Thought nothing more of it until two

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days later a knock on my dig's door and there's

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two reporters from the student paper. So the next issue

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I'm on the front page. At one point not long

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after that, they actually then they printed a picture of

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the digs that I lived in, with an arrow an

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anti Nazi League garrow, pointing to the window that they

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thought I lived in. Funnily enough, it was a window

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of another room occupied by the chairman of the College

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Gay Society. He was both livid and terrify. It was

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the only time we ever spoke to me. But even

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as he found out, as I found out, their bark

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is far worse than their bite. And the only thing,

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the only thing actually frightened of is being frightened. And

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they never do anything. Anyone who threatens you, especially anonymously. Yeah,

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but well no even even with their with their own

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name and so on, anyone who threatens you, they're not

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going to do it because they were going to do it.

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and it's put them possibly at legal risks, so they're

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not going to So after this, the University Socialist Workers'

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Party said I had to be driven out of the town.

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of the town, so driven out of the town. If

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you see him, attack him on site, all of this,

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blah blah blah. I had an advantage in that by

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this stage I was in the university boxing team, so

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it didn't occur to them. I was a featherweight than

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a lightweight and actually not particularly dangerous, but I was

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dangerous enough anyway, so they left me alone. But at

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one point, when there was lots of threats, I scouted

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around in a builder's skip and I got six or

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seven pieces of rebar offcuts of lumps of steel and

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I went along my route between my college where we

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go to eat and tutorials and so on, and my digs,

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and every thirty yards or so, I had a piece

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of this rebar stuck in a hedge someway somewhere say

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fifty yards. So I was never more than twenty five

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yards from one of my pieces of rebar. So if

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I get jumped by three or four scumbags, I've only

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got to get twenty five yards and I've got the

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drop on them. Never needed it. That's the thing. So

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you have to have the mentality that you're prepared to

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face this and deal with it. And in the end,

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someone slaps you around at that age, you play rugby,

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you're boxing or whatever, you get more injury. I know

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you don't, because you've got that silly, faggy American football game.

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You'll pad it up. If you're actually your bricks or

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ossies or kiwis or whatever, you play proper rugby, you're

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going to get far worse in that probably than someone

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slaps you in the street. That's about it. The only

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thing you might lose, really seriously, you're going to lose

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a career in the law. You're going to lose a

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big money making career. Probably, do you know what, the

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best thing that's ever happened to you. Because if you

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go into that big money making career, the girls you're

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going to meet are all from the same background. They've

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all been through the university, the top university mill and

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if they're not the lesbians, they're certainly feminists, or at

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the very best, they're careerists. Even if you marry one

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of them, she's not going to consent even think about

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having kids till she's thirty eight, by which time it's

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probably too late. You're going to get one child too.

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or five years. In any case, it's a disaster. You're

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again to get slightly coarse. If you go fishing in

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a sewer, you'll catch a third on your stick, on

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your hook andish. If you're looking for a girl, for

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a woman, for a life partner, for your wife, in

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a university setting or amongst women who've been to university,

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you're going to catch a feminist third. You've got. The

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place you'll find a decent woman is in a working class,

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a lower middle class, white man van type environment, or

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at church someone like that, an ordinary decent girl without

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the pretensions of one who's been to a best university.

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So if you're up there with the money and so on,

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you're not going to fight the right find the right girl.

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You're not going to have a fami money. And in

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the end that sort really counts. You'll have a stack

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of money for working. What is it forty five weeks

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of the year in the case of law in a

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place where you try to jail someone who is innocent

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or get someone who's off who's guilty, And in any case,

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you're in an airless box with no windows, no lights,

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no nothing natural. It's a horri wine on earth? Would

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you want to do that to yourself? In order? You've

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got enough money so that for four weeks of the year,

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five weeks of the year, you can go skiing one

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week and you got to Florida another week, go on

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a boat and that's it. Whereas if you've got a

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proper trade, any dealing with real decent, normal people, and

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you're out in the open air, or you're doing things

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with decent people instead of criminal scumbags and lawyers who

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are among the worst criminal scumbags of the lot. So

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when people say to me, he has to saying what

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should I do again with my future? I say, now,

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for Heaven's sake, don't go to university. Don't get a

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mountain of debt and a degree which fits you to

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do something which AI can do in any case in

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all probability, or which is in a lifestyle which is horrible.

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Go out and get a trade where you're in touch

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with real people, and if push comes to sharp, if

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things go really bad, you've got a cash trade, or

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you can go and do a job of someone, you

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can barter, and it's just a better way of being.

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You're better as an honest working man, especially now as

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a white man, than you are in the upper echularms,

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which are full of affirmative action. What have you got?

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You've got Jews, Indians, blacks, feminists, lesbians, trans they're all

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above you automatically because of what they are and because

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of what you are. If you're in a trade, how

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many out of them are in competition with a plumber,

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a brick layer, an engineer, or a motor mechanic.

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Speaker 2: Zero.

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Speaker 3: You got it for yourself, and the only people you're

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in competition with really actually the old boomers. I guess what,

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We're all retiring and dying. So it's open. That's where

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people need to go. So don't be scared of being docked.

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All it stops is a life which you dove in,

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thoroughly miserable in any case.

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Speaker 2: Well, and to that point, much ink has been spilled

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in the American press talking about effectively the last generation,

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right millennials and Gen Z who have not been able

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to climb the corporate ladder. It's largely due to, as

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you said, affirmative action, preferential hiring these sort of ethnic cabals.

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For instance, you know there's this I believe it's Bloomberg.

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I can't remember who did that peace talking about you know,

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after the pandemic, corporate America vowed to hire more people

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of color, and they showing that of new hires over

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ninety percent are not the largest working demographic in America.

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And so this adds another element, which is, let's say

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that you know, there's a you know, a young man

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listening to you, Nick who says, this guy's an idiot,

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he doesn't know what he's talking about. Okay, can you

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even do that? Is it actually possible for you to

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get that corporate job? Because look, you know before actually

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I was actually starting my podcast then. But you know,

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when I left university, right with a good degree from

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a top program, what I ended up working finance is

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completely useless nonsense. But point is right, the sort of

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degree that that you know, well meaning older conservatives tell

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you that will guarantee you a job, right, that the

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sort of you know, technical degrees. I worked for a

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year in a factory, right, and there's nothing wrong with that,

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but it simply was not an option for me. There

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were no jobs to be had. And look, you know

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I wouldn't necessarily recommend working at that factory for any

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number of reasons. But at the same time, right, again,

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is that even a career possibility that's opened to you.

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So there's one thing I want to get into because

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as an American, this is something that I'm sort of

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fascinated and mystified by, which is British class dynamics. Right,

474
00:26:28,079 --> 00:26:33,160
It's a much more class based society, and in discussions

475
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,720
of Brexit, in discussions of nationalism, I see a lot

476
00:26:36,759 --> 00:26:41,200
of just class snobbery, right, the term gammin, right, this

477
00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:43,720
idea that you know, anyone who doesn't want to turn

478
00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:47,839
your island into you know, a multicultural paradise is some

479
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:52,839
sort of you know, obese, red faced, inbred, alcoholic their words,

480
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,000
not mine, of course. So can you explain because you

481
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:59,079
mentioned it as well talking about how it's the majority

482
00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:03,680
of NF porters were you know, working class. So can

483
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:07,799
you explain the relation between class and the issue of

484
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:10,519
immigration and also the grooming gangs by extension.

485
00:27:12,079 --> 00:27:17,319
Speaker 3: Yes, there's a combination of things, so it's partly it's

486
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:23,640
primarily two factors are pushing a pull. There's experience, and

487
00:27:23,720 --> 00:27:29,039
there's your social circles and what's good for you, So

488
00:27:29,079 --> 00:27:32,960
it's experience and fear. There's the experience of what you're

489
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:38,240
living in and throughout the late sixties when it really started,

490
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,079
the seventies, the eighties, of the nineties, the two thousands,

491
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:43,720
the only people who are having to put up with

492
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:49,759
large numbers of immigrants, and especially the ones who are

493
00:27:49,799 --> 00:27:54,480
the worst behaved, which generally is either the not the

494
00:27:54,519 --> 00:27:57,680
first generation save West Indians who came in. They were

495
00:27:57,720 --> 00:27:59,880
quite well behaved, most of them, but the second the

496
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,640
you get the second generation kids who instead of going

497
00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,680
to a decent having gone to a decent little probably

498
00:28:05,759 --> 00:28:11,440
church school somewhere outside TriNet outside Jamestown have gone to

499
00:28:12,599 --> 00:28:18,279
a sink comprehensive state system school where there's no discipline whatsoever,

500
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:21,359
and they're feral. You know, they're really really dangerous to everybody.

501
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,200
They're primarily dangerous to themselves and they're fellows before the

502
00:28:24,240 --> 00:28:27,039
dangerous to anybody else. Black on black crime has been

503
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,920
a huge thing in London, say for years, but those people,

504
00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:34,519
or the Pakistani grooming gangs, and also a lot of

505
00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:36,960
it's forgotten at the time that we were talking about

506
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:40,119
the grooming issue, and even bigger issue was racist tacks

507
00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:43,720
on white lads, so instead of grooming and sex attacks,

508
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,720
it was brutal beatings and stabbings, and both these have

509
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:51,400
preceded somewhat for various reasons. But in the nineties and

510
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:55,119
the two thousands especially, these were huge issues, huge problems,

511
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:59,480
but they only affected working class communities because that's where

512
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:03,079
the immigrants had gone because housing was cheap, whether they

513
00:29:03,079 --> 00:29:05,000
were buying it or that it was rented, it's where

514
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,039
they were sent. When councils were sending they weren't sending

515
00:29:08,039 --> 00:29:11,200
into bosh areas. They were sending into working class areas.

516
00:29:11,279 --> 00:29:14,279
So the only the people on the sharp end of

517
00:29:15,359 --> 00:29:18,559
the troubles that came with immigrants. A lot of them

518
00:29:18,559 --> 00:29:20,680
are perfectly decent people. They don't give you trouble, but

519
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,200
they're in competition with you for jobs, so it's a

520
00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:27,559
different form of trouble. They're in competition with you for houses.

521
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:30,039
It's a different form of trouble, but it's trouble with them,

522
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,319
and that only affected the working class until very recently.

523
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:36,599
So we now get this demonstrations now all over this

524
00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:40,119
country every weekend, almost every day, actually in much more

525
00:29:40,119 --> 00:29:45,519
middle class areas where the government are now putting the

526
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,359
thoroughly illegal boat people have come across across the Channel.

527
00:29:49,799 --> 00:29:52,599
All of them are almost all of them undocumented, males

528
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:56,920
of fighting age and unvetted as well as automatic. They're

529
00:29:56,920 --> 00:29:58,720
putting them down in quite middle class areas.

530
00:29:59,279 --> 00:29:59,359
Speaker 2: There.

531
00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:02,599
Speaker 3: Some times I see these middle class people coming out

532
00:30:02,839 --> 00:30:05,559
and on the streets and quite posh voices. Because England's

533
00:30:05,599 --> 00:30:08,599
so class ridden, you can tell precisely what class someone

534
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,359
is from, and so the minute they open their mouths,

535
00:30:11,359 --> 00:30:14,240
not even the minutes, twenty seconds, even less than that,

536
00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:18,000
the first vowel gives you the class. And I hear

537
00:30:18,079 --> 00:30:21,799
these people desperately complaining about how it's they can't even

538
00:30:21,799 --> 00:30:25,359
sell their house now, you know, it's terrible, and they

539
00:30:24,799 --> 00:30:27,519
they worry about their daughter coming home from school and

540
00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:29,559
all the rest of it. And I do sometimes think

541
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,119
not one of you people voted British National Party, all

542
00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:35,880
of you fifteen twenty years ago, who would have looked

543
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:37,960
down in noses that someone who said there would bemp

544
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,920
because it's beneath you, because it's so working class. It's

545
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:44,079
sewing for a dick. It's thoroughly unacceptable, and you're obviously

546
00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,480
stupid and uneducated. And occasionally I got the little bit

547
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:50,759
of sharpenfreuder. You know, you really shouldn't feel like this,

548
00:30:50,920 --> 00:30:54,440
but sometimes you can't help yourself. So there's that. So

549
00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:57,079
that's one reason it was a working class thing. And

550
00:30:57,119 --> 00:30:59,839
it's now changing quite a lot, not least because it's

551
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:02,720
not just now communities have got these problems. But again,

552
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:06,839
middle class white kids, who white boys, who thirty years

553
00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:10,240
ago had no issue at all with immigration. Now like

554
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:13,559
you in America, they know that even the god of university,

555
00:31:13,759 --> 00:31:15,720
they're at the bottom of the hiring heat. So it's

556
00:31:15,720 --> 00:31:18,400
affecting them, so it's changed them around. The Other thing

557
00:31:18,599 --> 00:31:23,680
is the the social costs are being involved in a

558
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:30,559
nationalist or anti immigration movement, that it's you will not

559
00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:35,039
you can't get the higher promotion. People will be shocked

560
00:31:35,039 --> 00:31:38,000
at a dinner party and so on. Those social costs

561
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:42,519
don't affect working class people anything like as much as

562
00:31:42,519 --> 00:31:44,319
they do people from the middle of the upper classes,

563
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,160
because everybody in the path feels the same way. And

564
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:49,160
I can go into one of the locals around here,

565
00:31:50,039 --> 00:31:54,200
and what they call casual racism do you get from

566
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,799
people most my hair stand on in quite friendly? Yeah,

567
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:01,400
it's really it's so over the top, you know, cruel

568
00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:06,279
and illegal. Oh no sake, Yeah, there's nothing that I

569
00:32:06,319 --> 00:32:09,000
would have said ever like you're getting here. It's quite routined.

570
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:14,559
So there's no social cost anymore for or wasn't even

571
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,680
back in the key days. There wasn't that social class

572
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,079
cost for working class people that there was for the others.

573
00:32:20,440 --> 00:32:25,160
And the greatest betrayal of all in Britain naturally is

574
00:32:25,599 --> 00:32:28,160
not well it's partly what, yes, what are elites done

575
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,799
to us, but also the great portrayal of the great

576
00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:34,599
cowardice is what the British middle class and upper middle

577
00:32:34,599 --> 00:32:37,599
class did when all this has happened, which was precisely

578
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:41,599
nothing because they thought it wouldn't happen to them and

579
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:45,759
they were afraid to speak out about it. And you

580
00:32:45,799 --> 00:32:48,839
can't have an army, whether it's a physical, fighting military

581
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,559
army or a political army, you can't have an effective

582
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,599
army with our officers on the officer class of Britain

583
00:32:56,039 --> 00:33:00,000
hid for fifty years while our country went down the tube.

584
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:02,480
Are there only now just started to come out. I

585
00:33:02,559 --> 00:33:05,000
put the nose, but the parapet Yeah, because it's a

586
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,119
little bit safer to come out, and because now they.

587
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:07,559
Speaker 2: Really need to.

588
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:10,279
Speaker 3: We wouldn't be in this mess if our middle and

589
00:33:10,319 --> 00:33:13,039
upper classes that showed a fracture at the backbone of

590
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:13,799
the working class.

591
00:33:14,960 --> 00:33:17,519
Speaker 2: Well to that point, that is very much the story

592
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:20,839
of immigration here as well, and we're just starting to

593
00:33:20,839 --> 00:33:25,119
see that turn where h one B's right. Other of

594
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:31,079
these visa programs which allow alleged doctors and engineers, right,

595
00:33:31,119 --> 00:33:33,720
because we're all aware of, you know, the Indian degree

596
00:33:33,759 --> 00:33:38,200
mills and others to replace white collar professional workers at

597
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,480
sixty cents on the dollar. But I think to you know,

598
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,519
my grandfather, who you know, worked as a body man,

599
00:33:44,799 --> 00:33:49,119
right repairing crash cards. His entire career. And it's funny

600
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,519
because you know, thirty years ago he would have described

601
00:33:51,559 --> 00:33:54,359
himself as a socialist. I've heard him say that, but

602
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,000
you dig down and you realize what he actually is.

603
00:33:58,319 --> 00:34:02,640
He's an old school organized labor guy, right, and he

604
00:34:02,759 --> 00:34:06,359
viewed immigrants's scabs basically as someone who could take his

605
00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:09,039
job and do it for less. And now, of course

606
00:34:09,079 --> 00:34:13,159
he's you know, the the most Trump supporting man in America,

607
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,800
But to that point, that was a very low class thing.

608
00:34:18,599 --> 00:34:20,360
People always, you know, talk to him as if he

609
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,480
were crazy, right, as if he were this kind of

610
00:34:22,639 --> 00:34:27,639
you know, stereotypical, you know, crazed redneck. And I think

611
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:31,800
as well, right on that point, that sort of social control,

612
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:36,800
that ability to signal what is high status behavior is

613
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:40,639
particularly effective on the middle class because, as I'm sure

614
00:34:40,639 --> 00:34:43,719
you're aware, middle class people always want to be a

615
00:34:44,000 --> 00:34:47,800
to appear to be upwardly mobile, right, to appear to

616
00:34:47,840 --> 00:34:51,760
have exactly the right beliefs, exactly the right diet, exactly

617
00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:56,360
the right clothing, and even now, right in a situation

618
00:34:56,400 --> 00:35:00,159
where many people in that demographic are being absolutely demolished

619
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,039
by immigration, and I share that shotten for it, right,

620
00:35:03,039 --> 00:35:05,079
there's a certain part of me, and it's like, oh, okay,

621
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:08,480
so finally you had to feel the problem. But at

622
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,840
the same time, it's almost like that that social reward

623
00:35:12,559 --> 00:35:16,480
is valued higher than their you know, economic or cultural, cultural,

624
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:19,320
I guess, but the actual you know, money in their pocket,

625
00:35:19,519 --> 00:35:23,280
so to speak. It's incredibly frustrating. One of the other things,

626
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:29,519
and I'm glad you brought it up, is the the

627
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:34,679
middle class in Britain is incredibly incredibly left wing in

628
00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:36,440
a way that I have sort of a hard way

629
00:35:36,639 --> 00:35:39,039
or a hard time understanding. I think of like the

630
00:35:39,079 --> 00:35:43,360
Guardian reader type. Is that because of that sort of

631
00:35:43,400 --> 00:35:46,239
social pressure or is there another dynamic at play there.

632
00:35:50,119 --> 00:35:54,599
Speaker 3: I've you've got to differentiate them from the rest of

633
00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:57,440
the middle class to be so accurate and fair as well.

634
00:35:58,039 --> 00:36:04,840
This is the the flip side of the welfare mothers.

635
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:10,119
This is a class who are almost exclusively working for

636
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:13,920
the state. They're there, there's a huge self interest. They've

637
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,000
all got their little empire or their salary is reliant,

638
00:36:17,360 --> 00:36:21,119
their job is reliant, their mortgage, everything is reliant on

639
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:25,679
them fitting in to the management side of the welfare state.

640
00:36:27,199 --> 00:36:30,159
So it's the management side of the socialist experiment of

641
00:36:30,159 --> 00:36:34,159
the socialist utopia, and they have to be loyal to

642
00:36:34,199 --> 00:36:41,719
that because otherwise they're in deep, deep trouble. And then

643
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:46,159
I ain't very often because people generally, unless they're psychopaths,

644
00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:48,760
they want to feel that, you know, they're good people.

645
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:53,159
So there's all this pressure to rationalize what they're doing.

646
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:58,960
So they're there now, for instance, teaching kids all the

647
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:03,039
trends stuff, and they know that's wrong, but because their

648
00:37:03,119 --> 00:37:06,519
job depends on it, they'll rationalize that that well, it's

649
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:09,079
you know, it's it's all about tolerance and you know,

650
00:37:09,119 --> 00:37:13,000
all the rest of it. So there's a huge kind

651
00:37:13,039 --> 00:37:16,039
of self interest in the left wing middle class. But

652
00:37:16,119 --> 00:37:18,639
the left wing middle class, the Guardian readers and so on,

653
00:37:18,679 --> 00:37:22,760
as I say, they are if they're not in the

654
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:27,880
the welfare management sector, they are in the media. That's basic.

655
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:30,920
That's basically it. The rest of people. If a middle

656
00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:35,239
class person, as it's a the owner of a small business,

657
00:37:36,559 --> 00:37:42,039
the people working for themselves or working in private companies,

658
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:48,079
whether it's salesmen or whatever, they they're nothing like Guardian readers.

659
00:37:48,079 --> 00:37:51,159
The Guardian sells so few papers it's almost gone now

660
00:37:51,199 --> 00:37:54,960
because it's all question of online and adverts. When for

661
00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:59,440
the last. The Guardian only survived the two thousands, the

662
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:03,159
two thousand and tens because because it was lost making

663
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,320
all the time, the only thing that kept it afloat

664
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:08,159
was basically every Thursday there was the Guardian Jobs a

665
00:38:08,199 --> 00:38:13,239
special huge extra section and every single council, particularly the

666
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,400
labour ones. But even in the conservative run councils, the

667
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,400
administration is run by the left, so that the right

668
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:24,639
wing reactionary types might control the council chamber, the administration

669
00:38:24,719 --> 00:38:27,239
is run by the left. So every single job, for

670
00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:30,320
every every single advert for every single job was put

671
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:34,760
through the Guardian. That's what kept the Guardian going because

672
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,760
it had a circulation anker with something one hundred and

673
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,159
seventy thousand. That was it. So this isn't a huge

674
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,599
not a huge class, but you know the Guardian readers.

675
00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:46,800
Now it's bigger now because it's now online and so

676
00:38:47,000 --> 00:38:49,519
that's how it survives. But it's not an enormous class.

677
00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:53,079
It looks big and it's got enormous power, and I

678
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:56,000
suppose what is rather large because okay, some of the

679
00:38:56,039 --> 00:38:59,880
people working for the state are sweeping street men. In

680
00:39:00,159 --> 00:39:03,320
all the nurses or whatever, they are thirty decent, normal people,

681
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,960
and they think are you and I but the people,

682
00:39:06,079 --> 00:39:09,000
the management class and so on. Yep, they are extremely

683
00:39:09,079 --> 00:39:12,079
left wing for the reasons I've said so.

684
00:39:12,119 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 2: Nick, this is sort of an odd situation, but I

685
00:39:15,039 --> 00:39:17,199
think our program is going to kick us out in

686
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,239
just a few seconds. For those wondering technical difficulties, I

687
00:39:21,360 --> 00:39:25,199
will be sure to include everywhere people can find you,

688
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:26,960
and I'll have to have you on again where we

689
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:31,119
can discuss without all of these irritating technical difficulties. But

690
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:32,800
I just wanted to say because I think we have

691
00:39:33,039 --> 00:39:37,400
seconds left, so slight shift of pace. As you guys

692
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:40,079
can probably tell, this is a different recording. We had

693
00:39:40,079 --> 00:39:44,480
some technical difficulties now sorted, but these recordings will be

694
00:39:44,519 --> 00:39:47,840
stitched together. Just an update if the conversation seems to

695
00:39:48,119 --> 00:39:51,760
end off and begin somewhere completely alt. But Nick, one

696
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,119
of the things that I have noticed, Look, you know,

697
00:39:55,159 --> 00:39:59,519
I'm American. The American nationalists scene and the European and

698
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:03,119
British nationalist scene certainly has some crossovers, but there's some

699
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,320
significant difference. And one of the ones that I'm curious

700
00:40:07,400 --> 00:40:10,320
to get your opinion on is the relative role of

701
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:15,199
religion America, especially for a first world country is quite religious,

702
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,960
unusually so, and our nationalists tend to lean into that.

703
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,920
I see less of that certainly coming from the continent,

704
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,320
but you know, relatively speaking, less coming from England as well.

705
00:40:28,719 --> 00:40:31,679
So if you could, could you speak to you know, obviously,

706
00:40:32,079 --> 00:40:35,119
you know, we can talk about your personal relationship to religion,

707
00:40:35,199 --> 00:40:37,840
but how what is the intersection like in your country

708
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:41,159
between you know, right wing nativist politics and religion.

709
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 3: Well, it's something that's shifting very, very rapidly, so it's

710
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:48,119
actually this is a huge question. So let's step right

711
00:40:48,159 --> 00:40:51,239
back to the sort of the origins of it. Personally,

712
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:53,920
I'm a Christian. I haven't always been. While I was

713
00:40:54,000 --> 00:40:57,199
almost up an Anglican, of course, and then drifted away

714
00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:01,360
from that. Regarded myself in my early twenties as the

715
00:41:01,400 --> 00:41:05,679
sort of sort of ecopagan, slightly odinist type that appeals

716
00:41:05,679 --> 00:41:08,679
to many young nationalists, you know, has done for decades,

717
00:41:09,519 --> 00:41:13,079
and then, particularly as I look more at the problem

718
00:41:13,119 --> 00:41:17,760
with Islamification, the answer that Christianity is the way to

719
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,960
oppose this became stronger and stronger. So I started off

720
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,079
sort of as a cultural Christian and then became more

721
00:41:25,079 --> 00:41:27,960
of a believing Christian personally, I would now be an

722
00:41:28,039 --> 00:41:31,239
Orthodox in a Russian Orthodox Christian for a number of reasons.

723
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:34,039
Although it's got the word Russian in it, it's actually

724
00:41:34,119 --> 00:41:37,039
very much a national church in each place. It speaks

725
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:39,440
to me in all sorts of ways. But coming from

726
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:44,039
an Anglican origin, I simply can't believe in transubstantiation the

727
00:41:44,119 --> 00:41:46,800
idea that are the bread and the wine become literally

728
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:49,079
in the body of Christ. I'm sort of too Protestant

729
00:41:49,119 --> 00:41:51,519
for that innately, so I feel I can't, without being

730
00:41:51,519 --> 00:41:54,760
a hypocrite, say I'm absolutely Orthodox. But that's sort of

731
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:59,000
where I am, really and truly definitely a believe a

732
00:41:59,079 --> 00:42:01,920
humble believing Crists. Not a particularly good one, of course,

733
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:05,119
but there we go. As for the cultural differences between

734
00:42:05,159 --> 00:42:09,679
America and Britain, it's shrinking to some extent, certainly in

735
00:42:09,679 --> 00:42:13,360
the British nationalist scene, which is becoming increasingly religious, to say,

736
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,440
partly as a reaction to the islam adicle. So also

737
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:20,679
the blatantly atheist problem, all the trans and all the

738
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:23,880
rest of it. It's not really a political ideology we're facing.

739
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,519
It's a different form of religion. So therefore it's natural

740
00:42:27,599 --> 00:42:30,840
for people to drift back and move back towards Christianity.

741
00:42:31,199 --> 00:42:35,480
But the fundamental difference between America and Britain is speaking

742
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:37,840
as a Christian and with the greatest respect to America,

743
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:42,599
every religious lunatic from the whole of Europe went to

744
00:42:42,639 --> 00:42:46,320
America for four hundred years. So you are selectively bred

745
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:49,480
for religious mania in a way that none of the

746
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:54,079
rest of us are. So it's actually something that American

747
00:42:54,159 --> 00:42:57,400
nationalists of a pagan bent need to really understand. Ye,

748
00:42:57,559 --> 00:43:01,159
your people are deeply fundamentally in every way, shape and form,

749
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,400
if you've got any routes at all, they are Christian

750
00:43:04,159 --> 00:43:06,599
and Christian dissident at that, which is really what you

751
00:43:06,639 --> 00:43:09,559
want to make revolutions and rebellions out of. So that's

752
00:43:09,559 --> 00:43:13,840
the difference. Having said which I reiterate again in well,

753
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,119
going back to when I was on the steps of

754
00:43:17,199 --> 00:43:20,239
Leeds Crown Court, when I was being prosecuted with a

755
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:24,159
potential seven year sentence for speaking out about the grooming issue,

756
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:28,360
I bought to that someone sent me just out of

757
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:31,760
the blue. It just came addressed to Nick Griffin Leeds

758
00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,960
Crown Courts. Every day the usher of the court brought

759
00:43:33,960 --> 00:43:36,320
me a big pile of post from all over the

760
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:38,000
country and for all over the world, and people had

761
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:39,760
written to me because they've seen what was going on

762
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,199
to support me, and some unknown persons sent me a

763
00:43:42,199 --> 00:43:45,559
wooden cross about that bee. It's a plain Protestant wooden cross,

764
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:48,639
and I took that and I used that held up

765
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:53,360
to the big BNP crowd outside the court at one

766
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,320
point and we prayed the Lord's Prayer and so on,

767
00:43:57,360 --> 00:44:00,840
and that was really the first public iteration of connecting

768
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:06,440
Christianity and nationalism in Britain, I think almost ever, apart

769
00:44:06,440 --> 00:44:08,440
from the fact that National Front in years back used

770
00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:11,480
to hold a Remembrance Day service in central London, which

771
00:44:11,519 --> 00:44:17,559
is obviously automatically a religious thing. Apart from that, Mosley

772
00:44:17,599 --> 00:44:19,559
and Co. And then the early National Front, it was

773
00:44:19,639 --> 00:44:22,719
all It wasn't anti Christian, but it was completely cut off.

774
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:26,000
It was absolutely the old English or Protestant tradition of

775
00:44:26,079 --> 00:44:29,840
separation of church and state. And that first time outside

776
00:44:29,840 --> 00:44:32,199
of Leeds Crown Court was the beginning of that change.

777
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,920
And it's now gone a long long way, so that

778
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:40,239
when I was your age, a young nationalist professing Christianity

779
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:42,840
would have in Britain would have been on the earth.

780
00:44:42,920 --> 00:44:46,079
Is this you know? It's an individual quirk in Peter Heart.

781
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:48,679
It's got nothing to do with the rest of us. Now,

782
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:53,159
I would say it's probably more common than not. So

783
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,239
this is a big change. So we're moving more towards

784
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:57,559
being like you are in the States.

785
00:44:59,119 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 2: On that point, it is true, right, America is effectively

786
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:09,239
a hot bed for everyone else's religious nutcases. And one

787
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:12,320
of my favorite theses you know about the formation of

788
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:14,760
America is that of Albion seat, where you can sort

789
00:45:14,800 --> 00:45:18,719
of trace these different American regional cultures to areas of

790
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:22,880
your nation. And the northern Southern divide is very much

791
00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:26,519
a religious divide, right. The North, which now is quite

792
00:45:26,599 --> 00:45:32,599
a Christian was effectively all of the most innovative forms

793
00:45:32,599 --> 00:45:36,039
of religion, right, the Quakers, the Shakers, the Puritans, and

794
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,280
you know, over the course of two hundred years, they

795
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:40,920
effectively burned themselves out of religion.

796
00:45:41,199 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 3: Right.

797
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:43,119
Speaker 2: You see a great many churches there that are now

798
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:46,400
apartments and daycare centers and the like. But they kept

799
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:50,000
the zeal, and that zeal has been applied towards progressive

800
00:45:50,039 --> 00:45:54,639
politics and ruining everyone's life, and they really ever stopped it.

801
00:45:55,159 --> 00:45:59,719
And honestly, look, I am neither orthodox nor pagan. But

802
00:46:00,039 --> 00:46:01,559
I have a great many friends who are in both

803
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:04,320
of those groups, so I'll be polite, of course, but

804
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:10,360
I understand the especially in the American context, the revulsion

805
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:14,760
towards mass market Protestantism, particularly as regards the Zionist issue.

806
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:18,960
I one hundred percent understand it, yep. But at the

807
00:46:19,000 --> 00:46:22,679
same time, the sort of best of America, right the

808
00:46:22,679 --> 00:46:26,960
flyover states are quite religious, and you're really never going

809
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:29,239
to get them to stop doing that. And so if

810
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:32,760
your project involved some sort of you know, mass odentic conversion,

811
00:46:34,039 --> 00:46:37,199
I mean, it's not going to happen. It's not going

812
00:46:37,199 --> 00:46:40,400
to happen, you know, regardless on that point. And it

813
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,760
is an interesting Joel Davis, who I don't pretend to

814
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:47,039
know well, although you know he is undergoing his own persecution.

815
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,960
You know, it says this, and I'll butcher the quote,

816
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:53,159
but he talks about, you know, the effectively white countries

817
00:46:53,800 --> 00:46:58,559
were made great under the Church and without that day

818
00:46:58,559 --> 00:47:03,440
of withered and something I notice, and this is applies

819
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,280
to you know, both the kind of very unchurched areas

820
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:10,639
of my country as well as you know, continental Europe

821
00:47:10,679 --> 00:47:13,800
and England as well, where regardless of why, and we

822
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:17,000
can debate why it seems that the only people actually

823
00:47:17,039 --> 00:47:21,800
having children, actually reproducing their culture are extremely religious one

824
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,239
way or another. And look, I am, you know, a

825
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,039
believing Christian. I try not to speak on it too much,

826
00:47:28,119 --> 00:47:30,280
just because no one should look to me or ice

827
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:34,159
on theological issues. But at a at a very basic level,

828
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,559
I don't understand how you replicate a culture through generations

829
00:47:38,599 --> 00:47:42,679
without that, setting aside any theological claim. And you know,

830
00:47:42,719 --> 00:47:45,760
we are in an era of massively declining birth rates,

831
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,840
so on a fundamental level, I don't understand how you

832
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:52,840
escape that without some sort of religious tradition.

833
00:47:54,039 --> 00:47:56,840
Speaker 3: I think that's absolutely true. Well it's it's a clear fact.

834
00:47:56,880 --> 00:48:02,320
There's there's this close correlation betweeniosity and large families, and

835
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:06,280
there's no way around that. But in addition, we're going

836
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:10,159
into a period very clearly where people are going to

837
00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:13,559
be persecuted, where the auld certain is a falling apart.

838
00:48:14,519 --> 00:48:19,280
Whether we end up with some kind of technocratic, anti

839
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:24,960
human dictatorship or we're just increasingly failed states, it's going

840
00:48:25,000 --> 00:48:28,280
to be an uglier, rougher world. And for people to

841
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:32,039
have children it's hard enough now, but to have children,

842
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:34,480
to have the faith, to have children in a world

843
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,360
that is patently ugly and getting worse. It's not a

844
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,079
rational decision to have children, I'm afraid it can only

845
00:48:42,119 --> 00:48:45,480
either be based on a selfish love and wanting to

846
00:48:46,320 --> 00:48:49,039
preserve and extend your own line, which is a very

847
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:51,199
very good thing. But more than that, it's going to

848
00:48:51,199 --> 00:48:53,679
be backed up by something else. It's not going to

849
00:48:53,679 --> 00:48:59,760
be backed up by the eventual European recovery. The Rayconquista,

850
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:03,199
which fundamentally, even the Ray Conquistor of Spain wasn't just

851
00:49:03,679 --> 00:49:07,639
by any means, about military ray Conquista. It was about

852
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:11,559
the actual Christian Spanish having a higher birth rate than

853
00:49:11,639 --> 00:49:16,920
the areas of the occupied Spain, which were basically afflicted

854
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:24,199
with Islamic systemic cultural failure. The birth rate comes from

855
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:27,840
that Christianity, and especially in hard times, where else can

856
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,360
it come from. So yeah, even if someone doesn't believe,

857
00:49:31,639 --> 00:49:34,239
like you said, leave aside the theological stuff. Even if

858
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:37,280
someone doesn't believe, even if they look back and say, well,

859
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:46,199
Christianity gave us liberalism, universalism, feminism, communism, whatever. Even if

860
00:49:46,199 --> 00:49:48,960
they don't counter that by saying no, Christianity gave us

861
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:53,480
the things that you regard as are people's highest achievements,

862
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:58,320
whether it's the cathedrals and the music and art of

863
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:01,119
of the High European period, or whether it's the actual

864
00:50:01,119 --> 00:50:05,880
wonders of modern technology. All of it comes from Christianity.

865
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:08,239
But even if you set aside the rights and the

866
00:50:08,239 --> 00:50:10,960
wrongs of that, and the theological rights and wrongs, you've

867
00:50:10,960 --> 00:50:12,440
just got to look and think, well, if I was

868
00:50:12,480 --> 00:50:15,280
going to on this sheet of paper work out the

869
00:50:15,320 --> 00:50:18,920
other fifteen or twenty five points whatever it is for

870
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,400
our recovery, because the birth, a higher birth rate is

871
00:50:22,440 --> 00:50:24,480
so much part of it, you have to look, where

872
00:50:24,559 --> 00:50:26,280
is that higher birth rate going to come from? And

873
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:31,559
there's only two possible answers. Really, there's an ideological commitment

874
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:36,159
by a state saying, right, we're going to pay women

875
00:50:36,199 --> 00:50:37,679
to stay at home and have lots of children, We're

876
00:50:37,679 --> 00:50:40,000
going to tax people who don't have kids, and all

877
00:50:40,000 --> 00:50:41,599
the rest of it, or it has to come from

878
00:50:41,599 --> 00:50:45,760
the individual or the community, since very clearly there is,

879
00:50:45,840 --> 00:50:48,800
and Trump's rowing back even on what little has been

880
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:51,559
done in Minnesota shows the case when even a man

881
00:50:51,599 --> 00:50:55,000
who basically is the nearest to a Roman emperor that

882
00:50:55,000 --> 00:50:58,239
we've seen for two thousand years, when even he can't

883
00:50:58,639 --> 00:51:01,440
actually get to begin to get grips with addressing the

884
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,159
demographic problem. It's patently obvious it's not going to come

885
00:51:04,199 --> 00:51:07,519
from above, from the state. It can only come from us,

886
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:11,320
people like you, your children, my grandchildren, can only come

887
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,800
for us. I mean, so, what's the key thing on

888
00:51:13,840 --> 00:51:16,719
the list which if you were going to design a

889
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,159
program which will give those people the biggest chance of

890
00:51:19,239 --> 00:51:22,119
having bigger families, you would say, well, it's got to

891
00:51:22,159 --> 00:51:25,159
be religiosity. So do we want them to be fundamentalist Jews?

892
00:51:25,199 --> 00:51:25,239
Speaker 2: No?

893
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:28,039
Speaker 3: Thank you? Do we want to be fundamentalist Muslims? No?

894
00:51:28,159 --> 00:51:31,119
Thank you? Do we want them to be fundamentalis Christians?

895
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:34,719
Well that is absolutely in line with us and our heritage,

896
00:51:35,079 --> 00:51:36,599
and it's right too, so of course.

897
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:42,039
Speaker 2: Well, and look, I don't exactly have a head for

898
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:44,440
facts and figures, but this has stuck out well to

899
00:51:44,519 --> 00:51:49,800
me that the heritability of right wing politics is about

900
00:51:49,840 --> 00:51:52,039
eight and ten. So look, you know, we'd want it

901
00:51:52,079 --> 00:51:54,519
to be one hundred ten out of ten, but simply

902
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:57,199
not realistic. Do you have an eighty percent chance that

903
00:51:57,239 --> 00:51:59,639
if you are of opinions that you and I share

904
00:51:59,639 --> 00:52:01,840
that will be passed down to your children? For the

905
00:52:01,840 --> 00:52:06,960
progressive types, it's closer to six and ten. They also

906
00:52:07,119 --> 00:52:10,320
tend to reproduce much less, so you can see over

907
00:52:10,360 --> 00:52:13,599
time this is selection. Now obviously, like the fly in

908
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:16,280
the ointment is immigration. Clearly that's why they are so

909
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,920
desperate to cram it down our throats. It's to effectively,

910
00:52:20,079 --> 00:52:24,000
you know, in their minds and politics, right, just simply

911
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:28,800
replace who they rule over to become the gayest kings possible.

912
00:52:30,480 --> 00:52:34,840
But I mean, it's one of those things that obviously

913
00:52:34,840 --> 00:52:39,199
there's a literal like political advantage, but to your point,

914
00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:44,079
it's really not a rational decision. Very few people get

915
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:46,880
into this by you know, tabulating figures on a spreadsheet

916
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:50,239
and saying, oh, well, this will increase my net. I

917
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:51,880
don't know even know how you'd measure such a thing

918
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:53,840
over the course of my life. But it really is

919
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:58,159
a war of belief, right, And this is the thing

920
00:52:58,159 --> 00:53:03,679
that I've found kind of interesting watching you know, and

921
00:53:03,719 --> 00:53:07,880
it happens, and pick your favorite event from the headlines

922
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:11,920
that at a certain point the actual material facts of

923
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:16,320
what are happening don't really matter because there's so much

924
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,840
spent on it. There's so many different narratives on it.

925
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:21,960
So for instance, right, these as I'm sure you've heard

926
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:26,760
several people have gotten shot in Minnesota. There's you know

927
00:53:27,079 --> 00:53:29,320
a number of people who've spent hours of their time

928
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:33,159
going through that event forensically. But it really doesn't matter.

929
00:53:33,440 --> 00:53:35,599
What it comes down to is do you believe a

930
00:53:35,679 --> 00:53:38,880
nation ought to have a border? Yes or no? Because

931
00:53:38,880 --> 00:53:41,760
if you do, okay, even if someone got shot wrongly

932
00:53:41,800 --> 00:53:46,119
that's a horrible occurrence, does not change that fundamental belief,

933
00:53:46,559 --> 00:53:50,360
yes or no. And so at a certain point, really

934
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:53,880
it's it's who believes it more and who has more

935
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:57,119
political will. And to your point about Trump, that's been

936
00:53:57,119 --> 00:54:00,719
the thing that's been very disconcerting. And I don't look

937
00:54:00,760 --> 00:54:02,880
to the GOP as you know, any sort of savior,

938
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,800
but to see them lose their will so easily versus

939
00:54:07,199 --> 00:54:09,599
these people, who, even if they're not religious, have this

940
00:54:09,679 --> 00:54:14,039
sort of cultish devotion to their politics. To be honest,

941
00:54:14,719 --> 00:54:17,360
it is, you know, very much a contest of will,

942
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:18,440
if you see what I'm getting at.

943
00:54:18,920 --> 00:54:21,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely so. And I think but what's particular, what

944
00:54:21,679 --> 00:54:24,039
I think is particularly alarming, certainly looking for a distance,

945
00:54:24,079 --> 00:54:27,519
and I think it should be alarming for Americans, is

946
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:34,440
that the Trump GOP, the remigrationists have given way before

947
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,719
the other side had even really got started, because you

948
00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:41,480
haven't seen anything like the scale of the trouble there was,

949
00:54:41,519 --> 00:54:44,639
for instance, all the Black Lives riot matters, Black Lives

950
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:49,320
Riot Matter riots. There's been nothing like the level of

951
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:52,400
trouble you could get what Antifa are actually organized to do.

952
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,159
There hasn't been that much pushback, and already they backed

953
00:54:55,159 --> 00:54:59,079
off and run away. Yeah, it's quite a stunning thing,

954
00:54:59,320 --> 00:55:04,639
it really is. So well. The saying I've adhered to

955
00:55:04,800 --> 00:55:08,679
for many, many years came from King Charles the First

956
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:12,639
shortly before he well, sorry, the other Strafford, who was

957
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,239
the great advisor of King Charles the First, who even

958
00:55:15,239 --> 00:55:18,800
before the English Civil War started, Charles threw his great

959
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,559
advisor to the wolves to save his own skin, and

960
00:55:21,639 --> 00:55:23,559
the other Strafford, before he had his head cut off

961
00:55:23,679 --> 00:55:27,239
by the Parliament's side, said put not your trust in princes.

962
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:32,159
And I think that that's an extraordinarily valuable piece of

963
00:55:32,199 --> 00:55:35,280
advice for people. So if you're not going to put

964
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,960
your trust in princes, in which our class also the

965
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,719
trumps of this world, you must put your trust somewhere.

966
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:43,760
So to put it in yourself is a monstrous he

967
00:55:43,800 --> 00:55:48,119
go again there's only God and the traditional faith and

968
00:55:48,239 --> 00:55:51,079
generally in your people. And if you have faith in God,

969
00:55:51,159 --> 00:55:54,079
and whether it's with faith in God or not faith

970
00:55:54,119 --> 00:55:56,159
in your people, then you have to think, well, therefore

971
00:55:56,159 --> 00:55:59,480
the people must continue. So it comes back to having children.

972
00:56:00,119 --> 00:56:03,639
And as you said, it can't be a rational an

973
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:07,159
accounting thing of adding up certain percentages or whatever. It's

974
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:10,800
just the thing which you should do. It's also someone older,

975
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,679
I can tell you having four children was a tremendous

976
00:56:14,000 --> 00:56:16,920
challenge at times and quite hard, but a wonderful thing,

977
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,840
a joyous thing, and a thing it Actually you can

978
00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:24,880
be as material as you think you are until you

979
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,840
have children, and then when you have children, you suddenly

980
00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:30,880
then find that actually you were very immateure and now

981
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:33,760
you're at least on the road to being mature. But

982
00:56:33,840 --> 00:56:38,840
I can tell you, as also the grandfather of grandchildren,

983
00:56:39,039 --> 00:56:42,320
that they're even more fun. And the biggest reason to

984
00:56:42,320 --> 00:56:45,519
have children and to push to have grandchildren isn't because

985
00:56:45,679 --> 00:56:49,639
in the end, because it's it's because what God God demands,

986
00:56:49,760 --> 00:56:51,760
or because what's good for your people. It's just because

987
00:56:51,760 --> 00:56:55,480
it's fun. It's what we're designing to do. So if

988
00:56:55,719 --> 00:56:58,960
I know so many youngsters, young relatively young men approached

989
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:01,599
me through substack and and say, you know, I'm thinking

990
00:57:01,599 --> 00:57:03,719
about this, but yeah, can I do it? And if

991
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,679
I get married to this girl, what happens in ten

992
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:07,719
years time, if we get divorced or something like that,

993
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:11,559
forget it all. Just have children because it's the most

994
00:57:11,679 --> 00:57:14,239
joyous and wonderful thing you can possibly do with your life.

995
00:57:14,519 --> 00:57:16,320
And if the very worst comes to the worst and

996
00:57:16,440 --> 00:57:18,679
you end up divorced and your wife takes half your

997
00:57:18,679 --> 00:57:20,760
money or more because of the way it's all stewed

998
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:22,719
against men, most of it it's going to go to

999
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,719
your kids in one way or another. And when you

1000
00:57:26,800 --> 00:57:29,199
die or shortly before you die, doesn't matter how much

1001
00:57:29,239 --> 00:57:31,719
material wealth you've got left, or how much has been

1002
00:57:31,719 --> 00:57:35,000
taken off you, fairly or unfairly. All accounts at that

1003
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:37,159
point is the bit of work that you're able to

1004
00:57:37,159 --> 00:57:40,039
do while you're alive. If you're a very lucky and

1005
00:57:40,119 --> 00:57:43,480
unusual man, perhaps things you said or written which actually

1006
00:57:43,639 --> 00:57:46,679
go on to affect future generations. But for ninety nine

1007
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,920
percent of us, the only thing which survives your life

1008
00:57:50,000 --> 00:57:54,239
going out is the children and grandchildren great grandchildren that

1009
00:57:54,559 --> 00:57:57,360
are left behind you. So stop worrying about it, just

1010
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:59,559
get on and do it. Well.

1011
00:58:01,280 --> 00:58:03,960
Speaker 2: It's something I think, And I'm lucky enough that all

1012
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:06,639
of my grandparents are still alive. My family has a

1013
00:58:06,719 --> 00:58:10,440
relatively short generational turnaround. But you know, I speak to

1014
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:14,360
my grandparents and you know the situations that you know,

1015
00:58:14,480 --> 00:58:17,000
they found themselves in when they were first married, they

1016
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,239
were all very young, they were all very poor, and sure,

1017
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:22,519
you know, they were baby boomers, they were able to

1018
00:58:23,199 --> 00:58:26,559
ride the wave of this great prosperity. But still, I

1019
00:58:26,599 --> 00:58:30,199
mean my grandfather, who I have a great relationship with,

1020
00:58:31,239 --> 00:58:34,840
he was unexpectedly and quickly married to my grandmother. I'll

1021
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:37,440
leave it at that. And then when on a double

1022
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:41,039
circumnavigation of the globe, didn't want his son until he

1023
00:58:41,079 --> 00:58:44,159
was a year and a half old. And they're still married.

1024
00:58:44,199 --> 00:58:46,760
They have, you know, a great many grandchildren. And you

1025
00:58:46,800 --> 00:58:50,119
look at that and you're like, okay, well, any situation

1026
00:58:50,199 --> 00:58:52,719
I could find myself in is probably not that difficult.

1027
00:58:53,239 --> 00:58:55,559
They were fine. I'm not going to say that any

1028
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:58,719
individual moment was easy or pleasant or ideal if you

1029
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:01,039
were designing it, you know, in a lab right, your

1030
00:59:01,079 --> 00:59:03,960
perfect life. But at a certain point, all right, if

1031
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:07,840
you're lucky you make it to eighty mid seventies, right,

1032
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,920
if you have my genetics, maybe not even that far right.

1033
00:59:11,559 --> 00:59:14,159
And so at a certain point I understand the desire

1034
00:59:14,199 --> 00:59:17,360
to be prudent, right, to make the correct decision, But

1035
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,360
are you going to wait ten, fifteen to twenty years

1036
00:59:20,360 --> 00:59:23,400
to do that. There's a limited amount of time, and

1037
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:27,360
you know, especially when and this is something I think

1038
00:59:27,519 --> 00:59:30,599
it's true of both of our countries. The prognosis for

1039
00:59:30,639 --> 00:59:33,800
the near to you know, middle term future doesn't look great.

1040
00:59:34,440 --> 00:59:34,559
Speaker 3: Right.

1041
00:59:34,599 --> 00:59:37,400
Speaker 2: It's not like there's a golden age, you know, one election,

1042
00:59:37,519 --> 00:59:40,639
two elections down the line. So it's like, well, to

1043
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:43,960
be honest, why not start now, Because any of these

1044
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:50,440
trends you're pointing to, you know, the feminism, the demographics

1045
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:52,960
are only going to get worse in the short term.

1046
00:59:53,280 --> 00:59:55,480
So if you're waiting for that perfect moment, you're going

1047
00:59:55,519 --> 00:59:59,960
to wait until you're it's too late. And again, don't

1048
01:00:00,400 --> 01:00:04,199
don't take that as an invitation to you know, settle

1049
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:06,000
down with a stripper or anything. It's not my point

1050
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,960
at all, but to say, look, if you're waiting for

1051
01:00:09,159 --> 01:00:11,360
this kind of perfect hand of cards to be dealt,

1052
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:15,679
you'll be waiting forever. And the other thing that I

1053
01:00:16,079 --> 01:00:19,519
think is, and sorry I'm just monologuing at you, Nick,

1054
01:00:19,559 --> 01:00:24,079
but we got going, is I think that there there

1055
01:00:25,079 --> 01:00:28,079
is a lot of analysis that's correct about the you know,

1056
01:00:28,119 --> 01:00:31,840
the corrosive nature of these left wing radicals right there,

1057
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:36,760
their urge to subvert, to attack everything. And you know,

1058
01:00:36,760 --> 01:00:39,480
people will say, oh, you know, older generations don't realize it,

1059
01:00:39,519 --> 01:00:41,679
and that may or may not be true. But if

1060
01:00:41,719 --> 01:00:44,239
you were not fighting that right, if you're just waiting

1061
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:47,000
for that perfect day, you're waiting for that perfect institution,

1062
01:00:47,159 --> 01:00:49,639
well you're just seating ground. So at a certain point,

1063
01:00:49,719 --> 01:00:53,960
and my friend Ernst Fanziel conscious caricles South African guy

1064
01:00:54,440 --> 01:00:56,920
involved with the you know, solidarity movement down there, has

1065
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,440
this great essay called dig a Trench making exactly this

1066
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:02,320
point where it's like, look, you know there is a

1067
01:01:02,360 --> 01:01:05,519
tactical decision to retreat, whether physically in an institution, in

1068
01:01:05,559 --> 01:01:08,000
a job. But you don't do that to keep running

1069
01:01:08,039 --> 01:01:10,599
away forever. You go back to build a trench, to

1070
01:01:10,639 --> 01:01:15,400
build something, yeah, defendable. And I think that that is,

1071
01:01:15,519 --> 01:01:17,239
you know, very much the attitude to have and it's

1072
01:01:17,239 --> 01:01:19,679
why I enjoy looking to the South Africans who have

1073
01:01:20,599 --> 01:01:23,400
even in our you know, relatively degraded situation, have it

1074
01:01:23,519 --> 01:01:26,360
much worse than either of us. And they still managed

1075
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:29,239
to produce some sort of culture, a big ring, yeah.

1076
01:01:29,239 --> 01:01:31,320
Speaker 3: And much much worse. Couple of points arise from that.

1077
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:35,440
They have it much worse than our great grandchildren would

1078
01:01:35,480 --> 01:01:39,079
have or even great great great grandchildren. Because when we

1079
01:01:39,159 --> 01:01:41,079
become a minority in the case of America, in what

1080
01:01:41,119 --> 01:01:45,280
fifteen years time, you're still going to be forty nine

1081
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,320
percent or forty percent or even twenty five percent. You're

1082
01:01:49,320 --> 01:01:52,599
not going to be half a percent, you know, so

1083
01:01:52,920 --> 01:01:55,880
and half a percent in a society with everyone around you,

1084
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:58,480
and that yes, I know there's tribal differences, but everyone

1085
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:01,400
around you for a white so that basically, apart from

1086
01:02:01,400 --> 01:02:03,599
in the middle of the cities, everyone around you comes

1087
01:02:03,599 --> 01:02:07,559
from one other ethnic block, which is potentially very hostility

1088
01:02:07,760 --> 01:02:11,119
for various reasons. Even when we're quite a small minority

1089
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:14,400
in the western countries, that's not going to be the case.

1090
01:02:14,719 --> 01:02:16,840
We're going to be surrounded by all sorts, not by

1091
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:20,880
one block, but by half a dozen different blocks. Most

1092
01:02:20,920 --> 01:02:23,440
of them just test to test each other and fear

1093
01:02:23,480 --> 01:02:25,679
each other more than us. As a matter of fact,

1094
01:02:26,119 --> 01:02:29,159
so as long as we're a cohesive block within that block.

1095
01:02:29,159 --> 01:02:31,639
It's far from ideal. But we're not as bad as

1096
01:02:31,679 --> 01:02:33,719
the South Africans as badly offers them.

1097
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:34,320
Speaker 2: And as you.

1098
01:02:34,280 --> 01:02:39,079
Speaker 3: Say now they are for many white nationalists in Britain,

1099
01:02:39,119 --> 01:02:42,519
Europe and so on, they're figures of some figures to

1100
01:02:42,559 --> 01:02:44,519
look up to because of how they haven't given up

1101
01:02:44,800 --> 01:02:47,599
and they're producing some of the most positive stuff there is.

1102
01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:51,119
Why actually partly because they're really looking at the sharp end,

1103
01:02:51,400 --> 01:02:53,840
so they haven't got the luxury of pretending, well, tell

1104
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:55,559
you what, we can test elections and at the next

1105
01:02:55,559 --> 01:02:58,280
election we may take power in South Africa. It's so

1106
01:02:58,400 --> 01:03:01,320
patently absurd they can't get down that, you know, down

1107
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,679
the electoral route. The other thing before we move on

1108
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:05,400
to come back to what you were saying, talking about

1109
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:09,760
how the boomer generation you had us, or had your

1110
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:14,599
parents or whatever, there's a strong, rather unfortunate tendency among

1111
01:03:14,920 --> 01:03:17,199
young patricks to look back. You know. It's this sort

1112
01:03:17,239 --> 01:03:19,360
of this age war thing. Are the boomers you know

1113
01:03:19,599 --> 01:03:22,760
you you know, boomer, you know, you're responsible for all

1114
01:03:22,800 --> 01:03:25,480
this and they think they're saying, well, it was easy

1115
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,760
for the boomers to have children, because, like you said,

1116
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:30,639
you know, there was this there was this enormous economic

1117
01:03:30,920 --> 01:03:36,119
prosperity thing going on. That's with hindsight. If you look

1118
01:03:36,119 --> 01:03:38,960
at the decision of a family of Americans, perhaps a

1119
01:03:39,000 --> 01:03:41,360
husband had just come back from war in the late

1120
01:03:41,440 --> 01:03:46,039
nineteen forties, they've been through a depression, a catastrophic depression,

1121
01:03:46,639 --> 01:03:51,000
and the war. What on earth was there in their

1122
01:03:51,039 --> 01:03:53,159
life experience. We said, you know what, we're going to

1123
01:03:53,199 --> 01:03:57,159
have kids because we're about to enter the most materially

1124
01:03:57,519 --> 01:04:00,440
wonderful time that anyone on the planets have a They

1125
01:04:00,440 --> 01:04:05,320
didn't know that. People in the nineteen sixties having children. Likewise,

1126
01:04:05,719 --> 01:04:08,079
things have been going well for eight or nine years,

1127
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,639
or they've gone well for eight or nine years before

1128
01:04:10,679 --> 01:04:13,239
in the past, includingly just after the First World War,

1129
01:04:13,280 --> 01:04:15,880
there was an economic boom for a few years. So

1130
01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:17,519
when you look back and think what it was easy

1131
01:04:17,599 --> 01:04:19,719
for the boom was they could have kids because you know,

1132
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:22,840
it was this wonderful time of prosperity. They didn't know it.

1133
01:04:23,559 --> 01:04:25,679
They had children just because it was the natural thing

1134
01:04:25,719 --> 01:04:29,000
to do, and because in many cases, particularly in America,

1135
01:04:29,639 --> 01:04:33,760
to one extending other, as Christians, they believe the Lord

1136
01:04:33,760 --> 01:04:36,280
will provide or just well, I want to do it

1137
01:04:36,320 --> 01:04:38,760
because it's the natural, normal thing to do. And I

1138
01:04:38,760 --> 01:04:41,159
think that we're talked earlier on about the way in

1139
01:04:41,199 --> 01:04:46,679
which the progressives have poisoning everything, absolutely right, and one

1140
01:04:46,719 --> 01:04:50,480
of the worst examples, most powerful examples of how they've

1141
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:54,400
poisonous poison things, is how they've managed to undermine young

1142
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,159
people's just natural instinct just to go and have kids,

1143
01:04:59,000 --> 01:05:01,639
you know, it's and to feel that perhaps we shouldn't

1144
01:05:01,639 --> 01:05:03,679
bring kids into this world because it's such a mess.

1145
01:05:04,039 --> 01:05:05,960
That's the very reason if you think you're going to

1146
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:08,599
go potentially into a civil war, that's the very very

1147
01:05:08,639 --> 01:05:11,280
reason why you should have lots of kids, because they

1148
01:05:11,320 --> 01:05:13,280
can help win the civil war, or for that matter,

1149
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:14,559
if you really think it's going to come to that,

1150
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:18,159
you have to face reality. If that's what you think

1151
01:05:18,239 --> 01:05:20,719
is coming, then one of your sons is going to

1152
01:05:20,800 --> 01:05:24,559
die in that civil war. Problem For the liberals, at most,

1153
01:05:24,559 --> 01:05:27,079
they've only got one son. That's their line wiped out,

1154
01:05:28,519 --> 01:05:31,320
even if he's a son by the time if he's

1155
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,519
still a son. Indeed, if you've got five or six,

1156
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:39,000
then well, in pure harsh DNA genetic terms, that's the

1157
01:05:39,239 --> 01:05:42,440
genetic terms. That's the reason you got five or six children,

1158
01:05:42,440 --> 01:05:44,719
because several of them aren't going to make it to adulthood,

1159
01:05:45,159 --> 01:05:46,679
so you have to have the larger number. So for

1160
01:05:46,719 --> 01:05:49,719
every reason, stop worrying about it, stop thinking about it,

1161
01:05:49,920 --> 01:05:51,559
just get on and do it.

1162
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 2: Well. Additionally, and this is something that I have an

1163
01:05:56,880 --> 01:06:00,599
article halfway finished to I need to actually buckle down

1164
01:06:00,639 --> 01:06:04,760
and get ridden. But in a way, that premise the

1165
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:07,559
boomers had it so good I want what they have

1166
01:06:08,719 --> 01:06:12,360
is understandable. But you're sort of accepting a poison pill

1167
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:17,039
that the quality of your life is directly material. That's

1168
01:06:17,079 --> 01:06:21,280
what matters as because look, I'm more than willing to

1169
01:06:21,360 --> 01:06:24,000
accept that. You know, if you and I got exactly

1170
01:06:24,039 --> 01:06:29,840
what we wanted, you know, massive remigration restrictions on any

1171
01:06:29,920 --> 01:06:33,159
number of different things, it's entirely possible that we would

1172
01:06:33,159 --> 01:06:37,039
lose a lot of the benefits of globalization. Right like

1173
01:06:37,039 --> 01:06:41,079
this podcast, Mike that I'm speaking to you through. I

1174
01:06:41,199 --> 01:06:43,679
bought off the Internet. It was manufactured by Chinese child

1175
01:06:43,719 --> 01:06:47,039
slaves for next to nothing. And if I were to

1176
01:06:47,039 --> 01:06:49,440
get everything I want, I might well be poor. I

1177
01:06:49,440 --> 01:06:52,000
would not be able to make as many consumer choices.

1178
01:06:52,280 --> 01:06:55,320
I would have less disposable income. And so you could

1179
01:06:55,320 --> 01:06:56,880
look at that and say, oh, well, my life would

1180
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:58,360
be worse, and it's like, well, no, there is something

1181
01:06:58,400 --> 01:07:02,079
that matters more than simply that material condition. And so

1182
01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:04,400
even if we steal man that position and we say, yes,

1183
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:07,960
the Baby Boomers were relatively the wealthiest generation in history, well,

1184
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:13,079
two things. One that let us hear right, even if

1185
01:07:13,079 --> 01:07:16,039
we could simply turn the clock back, you know, there

1186
01:07:16,079 --> 01:07:19,800
is such a thing as Dutch disease. But also look

1187
01:07:20,360 --> 01:07:23,519
like we have to accept that there may well be

1188
01:07:23,679 --> 01:07:26,079
a trade off, and that trade off may be you know,

1189
01:07:27,079 --> 01:07:32,239
relatively speaking, less wealth. But in my mind, what matters

1190
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:35,280
more is being connected to a culture, having a people,

1191
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:38,480
having something alive that you are a part of, instead

1192
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:42,000
of simply you know, maximizing how many consumer choices you

1193
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,920
can make, you know, being able to you know, participate

1194
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,880
in the great global strip mall. And I think that

1195
01:07:47,960 --> 01:07:50,119
it's it's always tragic when I see people who are

1196
01:07:50,159 --> 01:07:54,880
accurately critiquing the system but ultimately share the exact same,

1197
01:07:56,199 --> 01:07:59,440
just core premise. They are simply aggrieved that they are

1198
01:07:59,480 --> 01:08:02,320
not on the receiving side, that they are not getting

1199
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:06,039
the gibs. And I again, I have a great many

1200
01:08:06,039 --> 01:08:08,400
friends who are white nationalists. I'm not talking about them,

1201
01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,280
but you see that in this circle as well. Or

1202
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:15,199
it's basically they want gibbs for white people. You know,

1203
01:08:15,280 --> 01:08:17,720
they want to be you know, receiving all of those

1204
01:08:17,720 --> 01:08:20,920
things and look like you know, obviously I'm not some

1205
01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:25,000
you know, free market lunatic libertariat. But if you've ever

1206
01:08:25,039 --> 01:08:29,079
been around recipients of welfare, I'll leave it at that.

1207
01:08:29,199 --> 01:08:32,359
In America, that's not a good life. Sure, it is

1208
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:34,840
not the same problems you're receiving now, you know, with

1209
01:08:34,920 --> 01:08:40,119
the racial discrimination, but that clearly breeds its own problems.

1210
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:42,720
And I care enough for my people, I care enough

1211
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:45,479
for my culture that I don't want to see. You know,

1212
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,840
this is kind of like a Jesse Jackson for white people,

1213
01:08:48,079 --> 01:08:51,359
right that reduced to simply another one of these kind

1214
01:08:51,359 --> 01:08:55,520
of pathetic grievance groups. Unconnected, but it is something that

1215
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:57,520
I do worry about a lot when I look at,

1216
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:03,600
as you said, the kind of younger patriots. One more

1217
01:09:03,640 --> 01:09:06,560
thing I'm actually curious to get your thought on. You

1218
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:10,920
mentioned islamification right in your country. We're a little bit

1219
01:09:10,960 --> 01:09:14,039
behind the curve there, but boy, are we catching up.

1220
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,359
And one of the things that and I realized it

1221
01:09:17,439 --> 01:09:20,159
is difficult to talk about, not you know, for our sakes,

1222
01:09:20,159 --> 01:09:23,119
but for the sake of YouTube that you see in

1223
01:09:23,159 --> 01:09:27,880
this discussion is the interaction between opposition to Islam and

1224
01:09:27,960 --> 01:09:34,000
support for a certain Middle Eastern democracy. So obviously I

1225
01:09:34,039 --> 01:09:36,119
feel like I can I can guess your opinions on

1226
01:09:36,159 --> 01:09:38,520
both of those those topics. But how do you go

1227
01:09:38,560 --> 01:09:41,600
about threading that needle? Because it seems very easy to

1228
01:09:41,680 --> 01:09:46,560
fall into the counter g hod playbook. I mean, I

1229
01:09:46,560 --> 01:09:48,119
don't know if you know him, but like I look

1230
01:09:48,119 --> 01:09:50,840
at figures like you know Tommy Robinson and others and

1231
01:09:51,600 --> 01:09:53,439
not looking to I don't know the guy. I'm not

1232
01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,640
trying to trash talk him, but you see where he

1233
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,239
gets his money, right, So how do you go about

1234
01:09:59,279 --> 01:10:00,640
threading that needle? In England?

1235
01:10:01,359 --> 01:10:04,720
Speaker 3: Well, I wrote a report What Lies behind the English

1236
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:10,840
defensely in twenty twelve, when taking research from the Internet

1237
01:10:10,840 --> 01:10:13,199
because material was, if he dug far enough, was out

1238
01:10:13,199 --> 01:10:17,600
there in the public domain already. This report proved conclusively

1239
01:10:18,359 --> 01:10:21,680
that the whole EDL Tommy Robinson thing was from the

1240
01:10:21,800 --> 01:10:26,319
very beginning set up by very dark forces from the

1241
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:30,319
United States based in the United states, absolutely no question

1242
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:35,439
about it. And it's one of those things that it's

1243
01:10:35,479 --> 01:10:37,880
even more relevant now than it was then when you've

1244
01:10:37,920 --> 01:10:40,239
got It's not just Tommy by any means. It's a

1245
01:10:40,319 --> 01:10:47,439
huge range of opinion formers in alternative media, ranging from

1246
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:51,840
total crackpots posting anonymously on social media and so on,

1247
01:10:52,159 --> 01:10:55,840
right through to some of the major television corporations who

1248
01:10:55,840 --> 01:11:00,720
are pushing this clashes of civilizations. The Muslims are going

1249
01:11:00,760 --> 01:11:03,000
to come and they're going to take over your society,

1250
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:07,359
Your grandchildren, granddaughters will be wearing burkers, et cetera, et cetera.

1251
01:11:08,199 --> 01:11:12,479
And yes, there is obviously a problem with Islamification, and

1252
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:16,119
there are whole areas of British cities which now look

1253
01:11:16,239 --> 01:11:20,520
more like Karachi than they do traditional Britain. Yes, that's

1254
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,640
a problem. But in the end, I say how do

1255
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:27,000
you thread it? Will you say, well, where did this

1256
01:11:27,119 --> 01:11:30,039
problem come from? Because to go around trying to deal

1257
01:11:30,039 --> 01:11:33,159
with the problem without understanding its origin is a very

1258
01:11:33,159 --> 01:11:35,960
foolish position. Whatever the problem may be, If it's a

1259
01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:39,520
slight electric shock you're getting in your bathroom and you

1260
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,920
only worry about the shock that the TAP's giving you,

1261
01:11:42,000 --> 01:11:43,920
a bit of a shock, rather than thinking where's that

1262
01:11:43,960 --> 01:11:46,680
electricity coming from and what's wrong. You're never going to

1263
01:11:46,680 --> 01:11:48,640
solve the problem. Sooner related you're going to you know,

1264
01:11:48,680 --> 01:11:50,439
too much electricity is going to come through, you're going

1265
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:52,319
to fry. So you've got to look at the problem.

1266
01:11:52,399 --> 01:11:53,800
And of course when you look at the problem, you

1267
01:11:53,840 --> 01:11:58,000
find that is the Islamification of Europe is part of

1268
01:11:58,159 --> 01:12:02,800
the browning of Europe. And this is not some just

1269
01:12:03,119 --> 01:12:06,880
natural quirk or catastrophe. It's been planned and imposed upon

1270
01:12:06,960 --> 01:12:09,840
us by the very people who are now saying you've

1271
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:13,319
got to go and fight those wicked Muslims. So it

1272
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:15,680
is very, very difficult to deal with because our people

1273
01:12:15,720 --> 01:12:19,520
have a genuine problem with is Iramification and with large

1274
01:12:19,560 --> 01:12:22,920
numbers of Pakistanis and so on. But again you're not

1275
01:12:22,960 --> 01:12:24,520
going to deal well. You can try and deal with

1276
01:12:24,520 --> 01:12:26,840
that problem with fighting them and the people who are

1277
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:29,560
pushing us towards civil war. If they were pushing us

1278
01:12:29,600 --> 01:12:33,800
towards a civil war on the basis that look, we're

1279
01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:35,960
going to have it at some point, it's better to

1280
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:38,039
have it now, or there's still relatively more of us

1281
01:12:38,079 --> 01:12:41,399
than them, and if they were saying, which people could

1282
01:12:41,399 --> 01:12:43,479
from the safety of America. If you're going to have

1283
01:12:43,479 --> 01:12:45,119
a civil war, you need in order to win it,

1284
01:12:45,199 --> 01:12:48,039
you need to begin now doing ab C and D.

1285
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:51,680
They we're doing that have some sympathy for it, but

1286
01:12:51,720 --> 01:12:54,560
they are absolutely clearly trying to push and pushure us

1287
01:12:54,600 --> 01:12:57,039
into a civil war, certainly in Western Europe and Britain,

1288
01:12:57,399 --> 01:12:59,560
not on the basis that if we win it, we

1289
01:12:59,600 --> 01:13:02,600
can get country back, because these very sane people are

1290
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:07,000
all saying that immigration from Africa and India, as long

1291
01:13:07,000 --> 01:13:10,399
as they're not Muslims, that's absolutely fine. And the thing

1292
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:13,239
the problem with the Muslims is they won't integrate. If

1293
01:13:13,239 --> 01:13:16,199
they'll only integrate with us, so their children will marry

1294
01:13:16,199 --> 01:13:18,600
our children, wouldn't it be wonderful. But they're standing in

1295
01:13:18,600 --> 01:13:22,319
their own communities insisting on their Sharia law. Well, I

1296
01:13:22,319 --> 01:13:24,840
say thank God for that, because if they were simply

1297
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,239
part of our melting pot, our melting pot would be

1298
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:30,680
even more corrosive and efficient in terms of getting rid

1299
01:13:30,680 --> 01:13:33,439
of us. So these people do not have the interests

1300
01:13:33,720 --> 01:13:37,039
of our people at stake. So I'm damned if I'm

1301
01:13:37,079 --> 01:13:39,920
cold to fight their war any more than I want

1302
01:13:39,960 --> 01:13:43,800
to fight the other side of the global elites. War

1303
01:13:43,880 --> 01:13:47,680
new against Russia and Ukraine. Absolutely not none. None of

1304
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,680
their wars have been any damn use. They've all We've

1305
01:13:49,720 --> 01:13:52,920
been lied into all of them. And all our people

1306
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,079
get out of wars is suffering death and higher tax bills.

1307
01:13:56,359 --> 01:13:57,880
And it's the same with the whole lots of them.

1308
01:13:58,239 --> 01:14:00,279
So you have to try and alert people to do it.

1309
01:14:00,920 --> 01:14:03,239
In the end, I think we're reaching the points in

1310
01:14:03,560 --> 01:14:09,439
Britain where huge numbers of people are not just hardcore nationalists,

1311
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:12,359
but even broader than that. The people actually comment in

1312
01:14:12,359 --> 01:14:15,800
the newspaper and the comments sections of mainstream newspapers, so

1313
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:17,840
many people have got a pretty good grasp of what

1314
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,920
is going on that we're getting to the stage where

1315
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:25,600
we need to stop. And it's always tainting because it's

1316
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,319
such outrage and you feel it's you've got to try

1317
01:14:28,359 --> 01:14:31,119
and wake every last person up. But we probably need

1318
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:34,199
to stop talking so much about the problems. If people

1319
01:14:34,279 --> 01:14:37,439
don't understand the problems by now, they're probably either so

1320
01:14:37,560 --> 01:14:41,319
stupid or so cowardly are or so scared that they're

1321
01:14:41,359 --> 01:14:43,720
not going to understand them, or they're going to keep

1322
01:14:43,720 --> 01:14:46,479
on pretending they don't understand them. We need to talk

1323
01:14:46,520 --> 01:14:51,199
about practical solutions, which are people, whether it's individual activists,

1324
01:14:51,239 --> 01:14:56,800
families or communities, can do in their own lives to

1325
01:14:56,800 --> 01:15:00,760
to advance our cause. So especially as certainly in Britain

1326
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,800
anywhere where you've got the extreme repression now of freedom

1327
01:15:05,800 --> 01:15:08,359
of speech. But even in the States, so you still

1328
01:15:08,399 --> 01:15:11,359
got the Second Amendment if you get a Democrat government

1329
01:15:11,359 --> 01:15:13,319
in two years time. How long that will last is

1330
01:15:13,359 --> 01:15:16,600
another matter. But even regardless of that, when you say

1331
01:15:16,720 --> 01:15:18,439
you have to be careful about what you're speaking about

1332
01:15:18,439 --> 01:15:21,720
because of YouTube and so on, and similar in you

1333
01:15:21,840 --> 01:15:24,720
even more so Facebook, et cetera, et cetera, you're already

1334
01:15:24,760 --> 01:15:27,520
under a degree in the United States of repression of

1335
01:15:27,560 --> 01:15:30,239
your freedom of speech. So it becomes more and more

1336
01:15:31,159 --> 01:15:33,880
the more you talk about the problems, the more you're

1337
01:15:34,119 --> 01:15:36,680
likely to face the shadow bands and so on, and

1338
01:15:36,680 --> 01:15:41,479
the restrictions, which means you reach few people. So that's

1339
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:42,960
where as I say, I think we get into the

1340
01:15:42,960 --> 01:15:45,560
stage when all of us really need to make a conscious,

1341
01:15:45,560 --> 01:15:49,119
disciplined effort to talk less about the problems and more

1342
01:15:49,199 --> 01:15:51,520
about the practical answers in our own lives.

1343
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:58,760
Speaker 2: To that point, I mean, you're entirely correct about that.

1344
01:15:58,760 --> 01:16:03,520
That relationship between I mean starting wars, you know, sort

1345
01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:07,960
of transforming demographics, and then you know, demanding even more

1346
01:16:08,000 --> 01:16:13,239
efforts to you know, now correct certain accesses again for

1347
01:16:13,319 --> 01:16:16,640
that same end goal. I mean, in my case, there

1348
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:20,359
really were no Muslims in America before September eleven. Of course,

1349
01:16:20,439 --> 01:16:23,960
you know, a few here and there, but certainly in

1350
01:16:24,039 --> 01:16:27,880
no real numbers. And you know, I think of talking

1351
01:16:27,880 --> 01:16:30,840
to one of my friends. I was too young. I was,

1352
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:32,720
you know, a child during most of the Global War

1353
01:16:32,760 --> 01:16:35,960
on Terror, but I knew a great many people who

1354
01:16:36,000 --> 01:16:39,079
were involved, particularly who now are in kind of their

1355
01:16:39,239 --> 01:16:42,840
mid to early forties. And I remember talking to one

1356
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:45,119
of them and he said, you know, I saw a

1357
01:16:45,159 --> 01:16:47,840
lot of horrible things. I you know, went through a lot,

1358
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,960
and I never had shell shocker PTSD except for once.

1359
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:53,920
And he said that he had come back. He was

1360
01:16:53,920 --> 01:16:57,199
in California, and he went to Walmart and he rounded

1361
01:16:57,199 --> 01:16:59,960
the corner and there were three women in burkas yea,

1362
01:17:00,039 --> 01:17:02,159
And of course it was you know, sort of a

1363
01:17:02,199 --> 01:17:06,159
nervous system level response. But he described that as a

1364
01:17:06,279 --> 01:17:09,560
very disheartening revelation, like wait a minute, you know he

1365
01:17:09,640 --> 01:17:12,399
had bought the line hook you know, hook line and

1366
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,359
sinker and you can't blame him, right. The guy was

1367
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:19,239
seventeen doing what he thought was right, and you know,

1368
01:17:19,279 --> 01:17:22,439
those individual actions he did were heroic. But at the

1369
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:25,920
same time, these guys got played. We all got played.

1370
01:17:26,600 --> 01:17:28,640
And now you know that line of we fight them

1371
01:17:28,640 --> 01:17:30,279
over there so we don't have to fight them over here.

1372
01:17:30,319 --> 01:17:33,439
You're like, well, you brought everyone back. You know, everyone

1373
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:36,640
every time. You know, there was one in northern Virginia

1374
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:39,720
not too long ago, or an Afghan guy you know,

1375
01:17:40,239 --> 01:17:42,439
shot up a number of police officers. There was another

1376
01:17:42,439 --> 01:17:44,159
one out of somewhere in the Midwest. I think it

1377
01:17:44,159 --> 01:17:47,159
was Detroit. I can't remember. I could name almost any

1378
01:17:47,159 --> 01:17:48,920
city and it would be true even if it's not

1379
01:17:48,960 --> 01:17:51,159
the exact one I'm thinking of. And it is very

1380
01:17:51,239 --> 01:17:53,720
much like, wait a minute, I thought this was the

1381
01:17:53,760 --> 01:17:55,680
whole point. And of course, you know, people have been

1382
01:17:55,760 --> 01:17:59,000
drawing attention to that for a long time. But you know,

1383
01:17:59,039 --> 01:18:01,640
the idea that, oh now it's time to you know,

1384
01:18:01,680 --> 01:18:04,279
get on side for the next conflict. You're like, wait

1385
01:18:04,319 --> 01:18:07,800
a minute, I don't necessarily like the Islamification of my nation,

1386
01:18:09,079 --> 01:18:15,319
but fool me once, fool me twice. And about talking

1387
01:18:15,319 --> 01:18:19,039
about about solutions, I think there's something to that. And

1388
01:18:19,399 --> 01:18:21,680
you know, I'm part of a you know, a fraternal

1389
01:18:21,720 --> 01:18:25,079
group in the US, the Old Glory Club, and it's

1390
01:18:25,079 --> 01:18:26,720
been crazy. I was, you know, one of the founding

1391
01:18:26,800 --> 01:18:29,319
members and to watch it grow in you know, a

1392
01:18:29,359 --> 01:18:32,600
few years, from fifteen guys in a conference room to

1393
01:18:32,680 --> 01:18:35,199
now I went to my local chapter. There's you know,

1394
01:18:35,279 --> 01:18:37,880
dozens up at this point in my small town and

1395
01:18:37,960 --> 01:18:42,079
there are sixty guys from around my community hanging out together.

1396
01:18:42,800 --> 01:18:45,840
And it's it's incredibly positive because you know, I'll and

1397
01:18:45,880 --> 01:18:47,560
I'll probably listen to this and send me a message.

1398
01:18:47,560 --> 01:18:50,119
But I met a guy there who's, you know, cabinet maker,

1399
01:18:50,239 --> 01:18:52,920
so he's making cabinets for me, and it's like, okay,

1400
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,079
well there's no political advantage to that. But all of

1401
01:18:55,079 --> 01:18:57,000
a sudden, it's like, well, I've got a network. I've

1402
01:18:57,039 --> 01:18:59,119
got dozens of guys that I can you know, reach

1403
01:18:59,119 --> 01:19:02,520
out to. Sure in the immediate next two weeks term.

1404
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:07,079
Does that get us some political victory. No, But at

1405
01:19:07,079 --> 01:19:10,720
the same time, it's a way better solution than sitting

1406
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:13,319
at home getting upset about what you see on the screen.

1407
01:19:14,039 --> 01:19:15,960
You have guys that you can you can talk to,

1408
01:19:16,119 --> 01:19:19,279
you can build something with and also you now have

1409
01:19:19,359 --> 01:19:22,319
a you know, a huge network of support, and to me,

1410
01:19:23,640 --> 01:19:26,079
that sort of and you know that the pagan types

1411
01:19:26,119 --> 01:19:28,119
referred as to you know, building your tribe. You know,

1412
01:19:28,119 --> 01:19:30,840
there are other terms for it as well. But to me,

1413
01:19:31,159 --> 01:19:34,359
that is both the easiest thing to do and the

1414
01:19:34,399 --> 01:19:37,199
best preparation for whatever may kind of come down the pike.

1415
01:19:38,279 --> 01:19:41,399
Speaker 3: Absolutely so, I mean, there's the minute. The alternative to

1416
01:19:41,439 --> 01:19:46,199
that is the political road. And it puzzles me how

1417
01:19:46,239 --> 01:19:49,840
people are supposedly conscious nationalists and they've read all the

1418
01:19:49,920 --> 01:19:52,680
right nationalist texts and so on. How on earth do

1419
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:57,439
those people, out of anybody full for this democracy fetish?

1420
01:19:57,479 --> 01:20:01,600
And the the crux of it is that the whole

1421
01:20:01,640 --> 01:20:05,600
political thing, the idea of the uniparty, isn't widely understood

1422
01:20:05,880 --> 01:20:07,600
just because it's a clever idea. It is because it's

1423
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:11,520
a fact that a large part of the point of

1424
01:20:11,880 --> 01:20:15,359
giving people the idea that they can vote blue or

1425
01:20:15,399 --> 01:20:18,960
red is in order to distract them from the realities

1426
01:20:19,000 --> 01:20:22,840
of power and so on, to give them an artificial

1427
01:20:22,880 --> 01:20:26,479
belief that what they do really changes things, and that

1428
01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:28,760
to put their faith in the people up there on

1429
01:20:28,840 --> 01:20:34,920
the pedestal. And if the appalling revelations in the Epstein

1430
01:20:35,319 --> 01:20:40,399
the latest way of Epstein things show people anything it

1431
01:20:40,399 --> 01:20:43,359
should be to understand that this is not a specific

1432
01:20:43,479 --> 01:20:50,000
problem of one pedophile or one little group and one

1433
01:20:50,039 --> 01:20:53,760
group of the political elites are within it. They're all

1434
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:57,319
of them wrapped up in this thing. That's the nature

1435
01:20:57,319 --> 01:21:02,319
of the beast. We are ruled by a self selected,

1436
01:21:02,359 --> 01:21:06,640
self perpetuating elite which at some stage in the past,

1437
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,239
whether it's in ancient Babylon or in the last forty

1438
01:21:10,359 --> 01:21:13,319
years or somewhere between it, at some stage in the

1439
01:21:13,359 --> 01:21:17,640
past it's become artly corrupt, artly evil. And the idea

1440
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:20,079
that you're going to change anything connected with that crowd,

1441
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:23,640
that crowd with what you do in your own life,

1442
01:21:23,680 --> 01:21:26,880
it's nonsensical. Whereas as you were saying there, when you've

1443
01:21:26,880 --> 01:21:32,760
got sixty men in your community, there's so much can

1444
01:21:32,800 --> 01:21:36,720
be done with that, I detinue it's already making people's

1445
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:39,760
lives better, because you know, if you look at one

1446
01:21:39,800 --> 01:21:43,119
of the key statistics which decides quite apart from you

1447
01:21:43,199 --> 01:21:45,239
was talking earlier on about your genetics and so on,

1448
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:48,399
a key metric as to whether or not you're going

1449
01:21:48,439 --> 01:21:50,880
to live to a ripe old age or not is

1450
01:21:50,920 --> 01:21:55,840
whether you've got friends at a circle of friends, you know,

1451
01:21:56,000 --> 01:21:58,920
that's it. So if making everyone's life better and for

1452
01:21:58,960 --> 01:22:02,920
that case matter in a small town, it doesn't actually

1453
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:07,119
matter what sort of challenge befalls your small town community

1454
01:22:07,119 --> 01:22:10,760
in the future. If they're sixty like minded men in

1455
01:22:10,800 --> 01:22:13,279
a core, then you've got a good chance of your

1456
01:22:13,279 --> 01:22:17,119
community rising to meet that challenge. And if those sixty

1457
01:22:17,159 --> 01:22:20,039
good men are actually half of them in the Democrats,

1458
01:22:20,039 --> 01:22:22,159
as they say would have been back in the nineteen fifties,

1459
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,359
half of them staunch Democrats, half of them stage Republicans,

1460
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:28,600
straight away your community has got this division right down

1461
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:31,840
the middle of it, which people who really wish you

1462
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:34,600
ill will play upon. And while you're busy hating each

1463
01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:37,079
other or worrying about each other, all sorts of bad

1464
01:22:37,119 --> 01:22:39,920
things happen to you. So for our people to withdraw

1465
01:22:40,119 --> 01:22:45,359
from the game of party politics actually doesn't mean that

1466
01:22:45,359 --> 01:22:47,239
we're drawn from politics. Because politics, if you look at

1467
01:22:47,239 --> 01:22:49,359
the actual meaning of it, the Greek word, it's about

1468
01:22:49,399 --> 01:22:53,119
the police, it's about the city, it's about the community.

1469
01:22:53,760 --> 01:22:56,880
And the last thing people who really want to do politics,

1470
01:22:57,039 --> 01:23:01,520
real politics worthwhile politics should be doing is getting involved

1471
01:23:01,520 --> 01:23:05,479
in the party politics, which is a fake version, deliberate

1472
01:23:05,560 --> 01:23:07,479
design to make people waste their time.

1473
01:23:09,840 --> 01:23:11,560
Speaker 2: Well, Nick, I'll have you know, I'm not sure if

1474
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:14,640
you're aware that you know one Jeffrey Epstein was both.

1475
01:23:15,039 --> 01:23:16,680
I'm not quite sure how this works, but he was

1476
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:20,520
both an Islamicist and an agent of the KGB, which

1477
01:23:20,520 --> 01:23:25,520
is remarkably convenient. Indeed, you're entire you're entirely corrected.

1478
01:23:25,560 --> 01:23:25,720
Speaker 3: I was.

1479
01:23:25,760 --> 01:23:27,560
Speaker 2: I was just talking to my wife about this because,

1480
01:23:27,960 --> 01:23:32,159
you know, my state has undergone a significant shift to

1481
01:23:32,199 --> 01:23:35,279
the left in one election, and you know, the the

1482
01:23:35,319 --> 01:23:39,640
government seems you know, quite content to just ruin the

1483
01:23:39,720 --> 01:23:44,279
life of anyone productive. But point is, and she made

1484
01:23:44,279 --> 01:23:47,039
a you know, a quite quite incisive point where she's like,

1485
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,840
I don't understand why everyone's always talking about national politics,

1486
01:23:51,000 --> 01:23:53,800
and this is what actually matters, right, saying like that

1487
01:23:54,560 --> 01:23:56,680
the kind of you know, huge you know, dog and

1488
01:23:56,720 --> 01:24:00,000
pony show things are said, but your life doesn't change,

1489
01:24:00,359 --> 01:24:04,199
whereas you know, a much less exciting election all of

1490
01:24:04,239 --> 01:24:07,000
a sudden, you know, I my life has significantly changed

1491
01:24:07,000 --> 01:24:10,159
for the worse, and that matters even more so down

1492
01:24:10,199 --> 01:24:12,520
to the you know, and where I live, right the

1493
01:24:12,920 --> 01:24:17,000
county and state and city government level, because of course, right,

1494
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:20,640
which goons actually get sent to deal with you, like, okay,

1495
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:22,479
if you if you really mess up, it is the

1496
01:24:22,560 --> 01:24:24,920
FBI you get you get a black helicopter, in which

1497
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:29,920
case you're probably screwed anyway, right, But in most cases

1498
01:24:30,000 --> 01:24:33,159
it's you know, your local sheriff, your local police department.

1499
01:24:33,520 --> 01:24:35,479
And it's become sort of a truism, but it is

1500
01:24:36,079 --> 01:24:39,680
there's something to it. And you know, I think about this,

1501
01:24:39,880 --> 01:24:42,960
you know, during the pandemic where you know, sure there

1502
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:47,239
were national or state level laws, but living in a bubble,

1503
01:24:47,279 --> 01:24:50,439
it didn't matter because the local police wasn't going to

1504
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:56,760
do anything. So sure it's illegal, but functionally, you know,

1505
01:24:56,880 --> 01:24:59,199
you could still do whatever you want it. And I

1506
01:24:59,239 --> 01:25:03,359
think that you know, the the entertainment level, the number

1507
01:25:03,359 --> 01:25:06,119
of eyes on, you know, the big picture stuff. You know,

1508
01:25:06,159 --> 01:25:08,720
what did Donald Trump say? You know, who performed at

1509
01:25:08,760 --> 01:25:12,439
the super Bowl? How gay was he? Answers? Very But

1510
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:15,439
all of that, you know, takes up so much time

1511
01:25:15,479 --> 01:25:18,279
that I think it blinds people to what actually, you know, matters.

1512
01:25:18,319 --> 01:25:21,039
And look, I understand it, right, I'm certainly guilty of

1513
01:25:21,039 --> 01:25:23,560
talking about Trump or whatever, perhaps more than I should

1514
01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:29,000
but especially from a relative position of weakness. And I

1515
01:25:29,039 --> 01:25:31,319
mean that very specifically, not that we are weak people,

1516
01:25:31,359 --> 01:25:35,560
but very clearly the government doesn't listen to what you

1517
01:25:35,640 --> 01:25:38,479
and I want to do. You sort of have to,

1518
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,199
you know, choose a you know, choose a playing field

1519
01:25:41,199 --> 01:25:44,319
where you actually can matter. We actually can't do something.

1520
01:25:44,600 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 3: Yep, absolutely, God, you shouldn't use the word weakness. It's

1521
01:25:48,760 --> 01:25:53,159
the correct word would be powerlessness. And you're automatically powerless

1522
01:25:53,520 --> 01:25:56,359
in terms of what's what's happening in the whole of

1523
01:25:56,359 --> 01:26:00,720
the United States. But if you are not personally weak,

1524
01:26:00,760 --> 01:26:04,319
and if your friends and friendship circle isn't personally weak,

1525
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,920
then you have power in your own community's and you

1526
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,079
can have and you can increase that power, and he

1527
01:26:11,119 --> 01:26:13,479
can do things which actually make a difference, whereas at

1528
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:16,520
the national level you can't. So we've got a problem

1529
01:26:16,600 --> 01:26:19,960
with powerlessness, and we can address it as long as

1530
01:26:20,000 --> 01:26:23,800
we have realistic games and working in a field where

1531
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:25,119
we can actually make a difference.

1532
01:26:26,359 --> 01:26:29,319
Speaker 2: Well, and I think of you know, the leader of

1533
01:26:29,319 --> 01:26:31,439
the Virginia o GC chapter. I know that he has

1534
01:26:31,520 --> 01:26:34,159
been and I can't say his name for a number

1535
01:26:34,199 --> 01:26:36,800
of reasons, but I know that he and some of

1536
01:26:36,800 --> 01:26:41,439
his friends have been involving themselves with you know, local

1537
01:26:41,479 --> 01:26:45,680
institutions primarily staffed by older people. And I haven't told

1538
01:26:45,720 --> 01:26:48,279
him this you probably very embarrassed by did but actually

1539
01:26:48,640 --> 01:26:51,520
sort of took inspiration from him and realize that if

1540
01:26:51,520 --> 01:26:54,039
you are a young man who has even a monoicum

1541
01:26:54,079 --> 01:26:58,800
of competence and drive, you can advance incredibly quickly through

1542
01:26:58,840 --> 01:27:01,680
an institution that is staffed by people in their seventies,

1543
01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:05,239
and they will love you for it, because, as you've said,

1544
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:08,279
you know both going back to you know the importance

1545
01:27:08,279 --> 01:27:13,000
of having friends. But the Internet has massively isolated people

1546
01:27:13,640 --> 01:27:17,079
and so many of these institutions, you know, Putnam's Bowling

1547
01:27:17,119 --> 01:27:20,880
alone chronicled this generation and a half ago are dying

1548
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:25,119
on the vine because there is no youth presence. And

1549
01:27:25,239 --> 01:27:27,319
it's sort of stupid to say, but you can just

1550
01:27:27,399 --> 01:27:30,359
do things and you will be surrounded by how quickly

1551
01:27:30,399 --> 01:27:32,520
you can advance because there is no one else to

1552
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:33,279
compete against.

1553
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:35,720
Speaker 3: Yep, do you have in the United States? Do you

1554
01:27:35,800 --> 01:27:39,039
have a network in different towns and so on of

1555
01:27:39,159 --> 01:27:44,800
veterans clubs or not? Yes, actual physical veterans clubs as

1556
01:27:44,800 --> 01:27:47,760
we have them in Britain. In Britain generally it's they

1557
01:27:47,880 --> 01:27:50,520
wrote a British Legion which was created shortly after the

1558
01:27:50,600 --> 01:27:53,279
First World War, and in some places in place of

1559
01:27:53,359 --> 01:27:56,319
a war memorial, they decided to build a village hall instead,

1560
01:27:56,439 --> 01:28:00,439
or say the Royal British Legion place. And they've got clubs,

1561
01:28:00,560 --> 01:28:02,600
let their bars and so on up and down the

1562
01:28:02,640 --> 01:28:05,680
country and there. Obviously, I asked, do you have it

1563
01:28:05,720 --> 01:28:08,159
in the States? You do, because I think anyone will

1564
01:28:08,159 --> 01:28:10,199
find if you go near any of those the game.

1565
01:28:10,199 --> 01:28:13,760
As you're saying, they're committee members, they're all in the seventies.

1566
01:28:14,079 --> 01:28:17,840
It's a demographic problem. So obviously, if a group were

1567
01:28:17,880 --> 01:28:20,359
to go in and say, right, we're going to take

1568
01:28:20,399 --> 01:28:22,399
it over, and in due course we'll get rid of

1569
01:28:22,399 --> 01:28:25,279
the American flag or the British flag and will have

1570
01:28:25,319 --> 01:28:27,960
a far better flag in its place, obviously that's going

1571
01:28:28,000 --> 01:28:30,119
to be a note y you know where that is

1572
01:28:30,159 --> 01:28:33,279
going to end. But if people approach it genuinely and

1573
01:28:33,359 --> 01:28:36,800
not in a cynical way and get involved in that, then,

1574
01:28:36,880 --> 01:28:39,760
especially if one person can do it, then a little

1575
01:28:39,760 --> 01:28:42,279
bit further down the line, they can assist a friend

1576
01:28:42,680 --> 01:28:45,159
here to come in and so on and in due course,

1577
01:28:45,880 --> 01:28:49,920
just automatically you take it over. You say, if you're

1578
01:28:49,920 --> 01:28:53,239
taking it over for bad ends, whether actually that, they're

1579
01:28:53,279 --> 01:28:55,840
already quite well set up to defend against that, because

1580
01:28:56,479 --> 01:29:00,720
for decades, any little bunch of conven criminal, if they

1581
01:29:00,760 --> 01:29:04,000
could get into a group like that, take it over

1582
01:29:04,039 --> 01:29:06,640
and then sell it off and pocket the proceeds. That's

1583
01:29:06,680 --> 01:29:09,479
what human beings do. Unfortunately, some people are plain bad

1584
01:29:09,760 --> 01:29:12,520
it would have happened, so they defended against takeovers, but

1585
01:29:12,560 --> 01:29:16,479
they're certainly not defended against younger people coming forward, getting

1586
01:29:16,479 --> 01:29:19,119
involved and becoming the people who run it in the future.

1587
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:22,600
And if you control something like that, then again, if

1588
01:29:22,600 --> 01:29:25,359
you have some kind of catastrophe, then rather than your

1589
01:29:25,399 --> 01:29:28,359
people in that community sitting around of running around the

1590
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:31,840
headless chickens, which is what people tend to do in

1591
01:29:31,920 --> 01:29:34,159
a catastrophe, and I think they're going to see it more,

1592
01:29:34,279 --> 01:29:38,560
especially with people a generation bought up on the Internet

1593
01:29:39,039 --> 01:29:43,239
without therefore any real normal social skills. Not their own fault,

1594
01:29:43,279 --> 01:29:46,319
it's just the way it is. Then increasingly, something bad

1595
01:29:46,319 --> 01:29:49,720
happens in your community, whether it's something bad because of them,

1596
01:29:50,039 --> 01:29:52,880
if you're thinking in ethnic terms or for any other reason,

1597
01:29:53,399 --> 01:29:56,840
then your community's had a disadvantage because there's no hardcore

1598
01:29:56,880 --> 01:29:58,920
at the center of it. Whereas if in addition to

1599
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:03,039
your sixty people, you also have the absolute use of

1600
01:30:04,079 --> 01:30:07,199
a club building and everything that goes with it, well

1601
01:30:07,239 --> 01:30:12,039
around that you can instantly build a relief center for

1602
01:30:12,119 --> 01:30:15,279
whatever's happened, and can instantly then say to people, come

1603
01:30:15,319 --> 01:30:17,760
and meet us here, you know, and we've got supplies here,

1604
01:30:17,760 --> 01:30:19,439
and we've got a kitchen here where we can cook

1605
01:30:19,479 --> 01:30:22,800
for two hundred people, whatever it is. Having an asset

1606
01:30:22,840 --> 01:30:25,840
like that is so important that it gives you the

1607
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:28,800
power to respond to all sorts of things, whatever it

1608
01:30:28,880 --> 01:30:31,840
might be in the future, rather than spending all your time,

1609
01:30:31,880 --> 01:30:35,000
like we was saying, worrying about Biden, Trump, whoever was

1610
01:30:35,039 --> 01:30:37,640
going to succeed them and so on, which is in

1611
01:30:37,680 --> 01:30:39,920
the end, you're worrying about something you make no difference

1612
01:30:39,960 --> 01:30:41,800
to and even if you did, it wouldn't make any

1613
01:30:41,840 --> 01:30:43,279
difference to your people on the ground.

1614
01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,399
Speaker 2: Well, and something that I think is important to say

1615
01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:49,760
is that you could look at this and say, oh,

1616
01:30:49,920 --> 01:30:54,359
you know, you're trying to inject yourself into this institution

1617
01:30:54,439 --> 01:30:56,800
and take it over like a cancer. No, no, not

1618
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:02,479
at all. You believe in to you, listener, you believe

1619
01:31:02,600 --> 01:31:05,600
in the truest version of something that these institutions were

1620
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:10,359
already designed to do. You have almost a more unadulterated

1621
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:13,039
or a purer version of that vision. They're pointing the

1622
01:31:13,079 --> 01:31:15,960
same direction. And one of the things I've noticed speaking

1623
01:31:16,119 --> 01:31:20,319
to older people leave it at that, is that many

1624
01:31:20,359 --> 01:31:23,840
of them, particularly if they are we'll just say conservative aligned,

1625
01:31:23,920 --> 01:31:27,159
are incredibly beat down because their entire life they have

1626
01:31:27,199 --> 01:31:29,720
been told this thing that you love is evil and

1627
01:31:29,760 --> 01:31:33,079
horrible and bad, and ever going back is impossible, and

1628
01:31:33,159 --> 01:31:35,920
everyone younger than you hates you and resents you unless

1629
01:31:35,960 --> 01:31:38,680
you say this, this and this, and you don't need

1630
01:31:38,720 --> 01:31:41,039
to be weird about it. But I've seen this happen

1631
01:31:41,119 --> 01:31:43,680
multiple times, where it's like a weight dropping off their back.

1632
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:47,239
It's like, oh, you're like me, and internally you're like, well,

1633
01:31:47,279 --> 01:31:49,239
I'm I'm a little more than that, but you know,

1634
01:31:49,680 --> 01:31:52,199
we'll go ahead for the sake of the conversation. And

1635
01:31:52,239 --> 01:31:56,359
so particularly a historical societies, you know, people who are

1636
01:31:56,359 --> 01:31:58,960
passionate about their culture, passionate about the place they live,

1637
01:31:59,439 --> 01:32:02,680
they often have to walk on eggshells, you know, asked

1638
01:32:02,720 --> 01:32:04,920
as if you know, like, oh, we can't ever say that,

1639
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and if there is an injection of youthful vigor of

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people who share that common understanding and can basically say like, no,

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you don't need to apologize to me. Yes, I see

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01:32:16,880 --> 01:32:19,479
what you want and it is good. Again. You can

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01:32:19,640 --> 01:32:21,920
you can do quite well. But Nick, we are coming

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01:32:22,000 --> 01:32:25,199
up on time. Last time, unfortunately the software kicked us

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01:32:25,199 --> 01:32:28,880
out before we could get to where people can find you. So, Nick,

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01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:30,319
where are you on the internet?

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01:32:30,680 --> 01:32:36,520
Speaker 3: Right? I'm on X although there's one account there, Nick

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Griffin bu, which has got sixty two thousand followers, but

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01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:44,119
it's dead. It was hacked and mister Musk or his

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01:32:44,600 --> 01:32:46,600
lackies will not give it back to me, so ignore

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01:32:46,640 --> 01:32:49,760
that one. So I'm on X a small scaled Nick

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Griffin BTP that's Bravo, Tango Papa. I'm on Telegram t

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do Amy forward slash Nick Griffin capital in capital G.

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If it matters, had done, if it is, if it

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does most importantly of all, I do most of my

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serious work now on substack. So I'm substack. I'm on substack.

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It's Nick Griffin Beyond the Pale, and that's where I'm

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putting the in particular series I'm writing at presents with

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the working title what is to be Done, which is

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01:33:17,279 --> 01:33:20,640
just about where do we go from here? Because I

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01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:24,000
see most nationalists, people who claim to be nationalist thinkers,

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without a brain in their heads. I'm afraid coming up

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with all sorts of crazed ideas. I think I've got

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the experience to have some far better ideas as to

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where we should be going. I suffer a degree of

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guilt because perhaps certainly in Britain there's the nationalist organization

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01:33:42,239 --> 01:33:45,600
group Blitz around are almost all on crazed paths, very

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01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,560
dangerous paths. For a degree of guilt because perhaps they're

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there because for ten years at the end of the BNP,

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I just left them to it, hoping that the young

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generation would come up with some great ideas. Well, they

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haven't done. So therefore I've got a duty. I'm afraid

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01:34:00,199 --> 01:34:02,159
I've got to come back. So I say to people,

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if you think what I did in the past was

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useful and good and so on, I actually believe that

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my most important work is still to come, not least

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01:34:09,520 --> 01:34:11,319
as I've got the experience. I think I said last time.

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It's not just my experience, it's the fact that I've

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got fifty plus years of experience in this game. Sometimes

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01:34:18,119 --> 01:34:20,680
it is a game, sometimes it's great fun. But in turn,

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in that time, I've met people who were there ten

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years before. I've met men who were at Cable Street

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01:34:28,119 --> 01:34:30,319
with Mosley and so on and spoken with them. I've

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met men who served in the armed forces of every

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01:34:33,800 --> 01:34:36,680
major combatant in the Second World War, and quite a

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few from the First World War and so on. So

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there's an awful lot of experience there, other people's experience

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01:34:42,039 --> 01:34:45,680
which I'm working to distill to give to the next generation.

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01:34:45,960 --> 01:34:48,079
So the place I do it is on substack. Nick

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01:34:48,079 --> 01:34:50,119
Griffin Beyond the Pale, and please have you not already

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01:34:50,159 --> 01:34:52,239
on there, Come and join. It's a great app. It's

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01:34:52,239 --> 01:34:53,520
free and it's very easy to use.

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Speaker 2: I highly recommend your substack one. That's how I found you.

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01:34:59,359 --> 01:35:02,720
Substack is become sort of the who's who of you know,

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01:35:02,760 --> 01:35:06,479
everyone from early the last thirty years of interesting politics.

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I'll leave it at that. It is also a source

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of some of the worst essays I've ever read in

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my life, so I try to limit my amount of

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time on there, but I highly recommend Nick's work. That

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series has been great. You know, I was sort of

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reading through it in preparation for our first interview, so

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01:35:22,720 --> 01:35:25,479
highly recommend that all will be linked in the description.

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As far as my stuff, the Jay Burton Show, Apple, Spotify, YouTube,

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01:35:28,840 --> 01:35:31,680
anywhere you listen to podcasts. If you want to support me,

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01:35:31,840 --> 01:35:33,920
this is what I do professionally, you could throw a

1706
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:37,479
few bucks my way on Patreon, Substack or gum road.

1707
01:35:38,479 --> 01:35:40,800
The business model is basically, if you pay me, you

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01:35:40,840 --> 01:35:43,399
gheit the episodes a few days early with no ads

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to the same content. I'm not hiding anything from you,

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01:35:46,239 --> 01:35:48,680
but it's a way to, you know, help me support myself.

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I actually it's funny. I always say that it comes

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01:35:50,880 --> 01:35:52,560
out to like twenty cents an hour, but when I

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01:35:52,560 --> 01:35:54,439
was at this event, some guy came up to me

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01:35:54,439 --> 01:35:57,439
and he said, no, I actually did it. It's eighteen cents.

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So if you think that what I do is worth

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01:35:59,520 --> 01:36:02,199
you know, eighteen sense for what you listen to, you know,

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guys has a business. Again, Nick This was a ton

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01:36:17,319 --> 01:36:18,359
of fun man, I appreciate it.

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01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:20,760
Speaker 3: Thank you. Great fun. I hope to be with you again.

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Speaker 2: Everyone home, keep your head up well. I can't last forever.

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Good Night,