Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Speaker 1: Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters. His name
Speaker 1: is Tim Duckworth. It is Tuesday, December sixteenth, right in
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Speaker 1: we're gonna lead off with ap Paradise because as far
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Speaker 1: Paradise hitting their guarantee prize pulls in. They're on to
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Speaker 1: poker Go. All right, first news item of the day,
Speaker 1: we got the super Duper super Duper super Duper main
Speaker 1: event down in the Bahamas. Tim is just shaking his
Speaker 1: head because he thinks I'm an idiot, which I am. Yes,
Speaker 1: the w SIP Paradise, this super main event. It is
Speaker 1: a PGT qualifying event. It attracted two thousand, eight hundred
Speaker 1: and ninety one entries twenty six thousand dollars buying, so
Speaker 1: twenty five thousand plus one thousand. It had a sixty
Speaker 1: million dollar guarantee. There was a lot of talk going
Speaker 1: in on whether they would hit the guarantee. A lot
Speaker 1: of people for them, it wasn't the question of whether
Speaker 1: or not they would hit the guarantee. It was more
Speaker 1: question of how short would they come, because sixty million
Speaker 1: dollars is a lot of goddamn money. But they hit it,
Speaker 1: and they hit it pretty comfortably. More than seventy two
Speaker 1: million dollars in the prize pool. This is the biggest
Speaker 1: prize pool in poker history outside of the WSP Main Event.
Speaker 1: Of course, the WSP Main Event tops all the charts.
Speaker 1: And then I think I saw I want to say,
Speaker 1: friend of the podcast, Jeff Platt, I think I saw
Speaker 1: a video with him saying that this is the eighth
Speaker 1: largest event ever in terms of price pool, in the
Speaker 1: history of the game. So really big stuff coming out
Speaker 1: of the Bahamas. I guess the first question or discussion
Speaker 1: here is I'll throw it to you with this is
Speaker 1: Are we surprised? Are you surprised that it it hits
Speaker 1: I guess both the guarantee and then also this big
Speaker 1: of a price bowl ending up over seventy million.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's obviously a lot of chatter about
Speaker 2: it overlaying. I was never really worried about it overlaying.
Speaker 2: I always thought they would sneak in make it just
Speaker 2: kind of like they did last year with the fifty
Speaker 2: million guarantee. But for it to just hit it and
Speaker 2: keep going and hit seventy two million is pretty pretty astronomical,
Speaker 2: very surprising that they would get that many. And you know,
Speaker 2: you're following the action, you know, from you know, from
Speaker 2: your computer, from your phone, and you know the way
Speaker 2: that action was playing out on social media with the
Speaker 2: you know, Daniel mcgrond obviously calling it out the most
Speaker 2: on in the's vlogs with people in for ten bull,
Speaker 2: it's twelve bull, it's fourteen bull, It's all these kind
Speaker 2: of crazy numbers. You just saw that. Yeah, look, this
Speaker 2: is going to get pretty messy, pretty crazy for these people.
Speaker 2: And yeah, they once they broke through, they just couldn't stop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is very very polarizing around the poker community.
Speaker 1: You know, you pointed out some of the stuff on
Speaker 1: social media, you know, just talking with a lot of
Speaker 1: people at the various tables that I've been playing at
Speaker 1: this month, it's the same sort of chatter where you know,
Speaker 1: some people think it's good and awesome, other people think
Speaker 1: it's just way too wild and crazy and unsustainable, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've heard numbers of people being in ten, twelve,
Speaker 1: fifteen bullets, as you said, and it's quite insane to
Speaker 1: think of it that way. I don't think I'm surprise
Speaker 1: that they hit the guarantee. I think I aligned with
Speaker 1: you in the fact that you know, this probably would
Speaker 1: have come in if I were to guess, I would
Speaker 1: have said between sixty and sixty five that would have
Speaker 1: been audience. But you know, given the fact that I
Speaker 1: thought the day one a number was really really good.
Speaker 1: I think there was like twelve hundred or something entries
Speaker 1: in there. And also honestly, with the way that they
Speaker 1: kind of finagled this this schedule, which is a very
Speaker 1: interesting case study. You know, this is the first time
Speaker 1: that I've seen a tournament do in opening flight structure
Speaker 1: like this. And for those that don't know what they
Speaker 1: did in the Bahamas is they had four starting flights,
Speaker 1: but they played the first two, then they played. Then
Speaker 1: everyone that survived those first two flights played their Day two,
Speaker 1: which made it into the money. So and then there
Speaker 1: was two more starting flights, and then those two starting
Speaker 1: flights had their own Day two, and then everyone later
Speaker 1: on combined for Day three. So if you bagged Day
Speaker 1: one A and then you got a day off and
Speaker 1: then you played Day one or Day two A, you
Speaker 1: bag that, then you would have two days or three
Speaker 1: days off then you would come back. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like a nice break in there. It could also
Speaker 1: allowed you to cash the event twice, which is an
Speaker 1: interesting little twist and a little bit weird. You know,
Speaker 1: like you could cash day you know, two A because
Speaker 1: they made the money on the day twos. Then if
Speaker 1: you busted after you made the money, you could obviously
Speaker 1: then fire multiple bullets afterwards. So there was that, But
Speaker 1: it's also like, you know, let's say you put a
Speaker 1: bunch of bullets in or whatever. Even if you put
Speaker 1: one bullet in, you get to day two, you kind
Speaker 1: of think, oh, in a normal schedule that we commonly
Speaker 1: see is that, well, okay, I made it past registration.
Speaker 1: I made it to day two, like I'm I'm going
Speaker 1: forward like this is it? But not in this tournament.
Speaker 1: You know, you could play that day too, you could
Speaker 1: bust and then you could hop back in you know,
Speaker 1: later on. So obviously the structure is more shallow in
Speaker 1: the day two stage. So the whole thing kind of
Speaker 1: generated a lot of re entries overall.
Speaker 2: You also have to mention the you know, like you said,
Speaker 2: you cash on day two one hundred In total the
Speaker 2: people in the money on day two A was two
Speaker 2: hundred and thirty three. One hundred and twenty five of
Speaker 2: those cashed and were eliminated. Obviously, the men cash is
Speaker 2: two x the buy and it's fifty thousand dollars. You
Speaker 2: also have the promotions where if you had cash in
Speaker 2: the main event, you would get an extra twenty five k.
Speaker 2: So this technically probably a decent amount of people that
Speaker 2: cash and were eliminated that you know, essentially won three buyants, right,
Speaker 2: they get the fifty k, plus they get the twenty
Speaker 2: five So you know, we would have to find those
Speaker 2: numbers somehow, but I would say a good chunk at
Speaker 2: the one twenty five probably jumped in, you know, one
Speaker 2: c or one D or even on day two B
Speaker 2: and that's what helps push that number up with that
Speaker 2: sixty million. Obviously, this concept is very new to poker
Speaker 2: in gen Or obviously wasn't part of Lasius supermin So
Speaker 2: that obviously gives them, you know, a bit more wiggle
Speaker 2: room to up that guarantee to the sixty and then,
Speaker 2: you know, knowing this concept, we might as well say,
Speaker 2: now we probably see the guarantee even move up next
Speaker 2: year slightly.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, it's also something where I'm curious if
Speaker 1: we see one this schedule concept start to take place
Speaker 1: in other WSP events, most specifically during the summer. Not
Speaker 1: that they would ever do this, I don't think for
Speaker 1: the WSP main event, because that would entail making the
Speaker 1: WSP main events a re entry, which I don't think
Speaker 1: that they'll ever do. But do you start to see
Speaker 1: it for you know, I don't know the Colossus or
Speaker 1: the Milli Maker or the Monsters, you know, anything like that, right,
Speaker 1: I think.
Speaker 2: We already see it in those events in a way,
Speaker 2: like the Mystery Millions and the Colossus, he played to
Speaker 2: the money you cash. Then they play a little deeper,
Speaker 2: so like in the Colossus where there's four flights, you
Speaker 2: can cash four times. You know, it's not the same
Speaker 2: version of this where you know, we know what the
Speaker 2: classics is. It's a little bit of a crap shoot.
Speaker 2: It's quick, it's fast, it's for you know, the U
Speaker 2: and me's of the world. While this obviously a twenty
Speaker 2: five K, you can't really play to the money on
Speaker 2: day one in a twenty five K, So I think
Speaker 2: this concept is very.
Speaker 1: Have you seen this structure is pretty fast? Yeah? Sure,
Speaker 1: but I mean they could have honestly played to the
Speaker 1: money in the tournament. Why not?
Speaker 2: I think this is perfect for this event, and this
Speaker 2: event only twenty five K Superman, you know, hey, why
Speaker 2: not out of day two C as well? Why you're
Speaker 2: at it? You know, like or you know what, maybe
Speaker 2: a better option is three day ones than the two
Speaker 2: A than three day ones, you know, then the two
Speaker 2: than the two B, and you could actually run that
Speaker 2: one D right on day two A.
Speaker 1: I got a crazy idea, what if you did the
Speaker 1: first three starting flights in Vegas during the summer. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could do that, said, hey guys, yeah, you all backchips,
Speaker 1: we'll see in the Bahamas.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could do that, you know, essentially you could
Speaker 2: do that. Probably what the day off of the main
Speaker 2: final table and then the two final table days, that's
Speaker 2: probably a good time to do it, you know that.
Speaker 1: Right, everyone's looking for everyone's trying to play some stuff,
Speaker 1: right like I mean, it's in a way as a
Speaker 1: satellite to that tournament. You know, they do plenty of
Speaker 1: the stuff where you know, you play that, you play
Speaker 1: the day ones or whatever online, right, or you play
Speaker 1: the qualifiers online, same sort of thing.
Speaker 2: The only problem is you would have to there's two things. Well,
Speaker 2: the best thing is that, let's say they did a
Speaker 2: seventy five million dollar guarantee, you could probably knock off
Speaker 2: twenty million in Vegas, So that's probably pretty good. They'll
Speaker 2: give them a little bit of ease. The second thing, though,
Speaker 2: this is where it gets tricky, I think, and you know,
Speaker 2: maybe you disagree with me here. You would probably have
Speaker 2: to play to the money, but then also pull some
Speaker 2: money out of the prize pool for travel like or
Speaker 2: pre pay something like pre pay travel expenses. The difference
Speaker 2: with Bahamas is you're already there. You've already either won
Speaker 2: a package or you paid your accommodation. Like you think
Speaker 2: of all the packages that people won or gave out.
Speaker 2: The value was thirty thousand, right, five thousand for accommodation
Speaker 2: and travel. So now if you're going to win your
Speaker 2: seat live, you know, in Vegas, just like you have
Speaker 2: to think of as a normal satellite Like when I
Speaker 2: won my WSP Main Events seat in Australia. You know,
Speaker 2: I won the seat plus travel and accommodation. So I
Speaker 2: think you would have to get a little finicky with
Speaker 2: the payouts or like get creative with how you can
Speaker 2: ensure people go and play. You know, you could also
Speaker 2: make it very simple. You've made the money. I'm not
Speaker 2: paying you out unless you put your ass in the
Speaker 2: seat in paradise, which is fair enough. Right do you
Speaker 2: cash for fifty k? You know? All right, fine, I'll
Speaker 2: spend three thousand dollars on flights and accommodation, get myself
Speaker 2: down there so I can make sit down ask cash
Speaker 2: out fifty k.
Speaker 1: So I mean, what were they didn't they do I
Speaker 1: don't think I don't think they did it this year.
Speaker 1: But last year they had some day one flights online
Speaker 1: they Yeah, and then you got into like day three
Speaker 1: or something like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were expedited to day three, so.
Speaker 1: You do something like that. It's just only in the
Speaker 1: live setting.
Speaker 2: Look, WSP, it's a new animal this year, next year,
Speaker 2: GG poker can do whatever they want. They can get
Speaker 2: very creative here. Like you said, they can do stuff
Speaker 2: like this where you fast chuck the live players straight
Speaker 2: into to day three. You can you know, they have
Speaker 2: gg poker, but they also have WSP dot com. Why
Speaker 2: not do the same thing with WWSP dot dot com.
Speaker 2: Maybe it's not twenty five k pius point, maybe it's
Speaker 2: a much smaller price point, but it gets you to
Speaker 2: the day two. You can do lots of things, you know,
Speaker 2: like there's a there is a strategic plan right where
Speaker 2: we could see this being one hundred million dollar guarantee.
Speaker 2: Now it's not going to happen. Well, it could happen
Speaker 2: next year, but you have to put the things in
Speaker 2: motion and really kind of coordinate everything. When I say everything,
Speaker 2: i'm talking you know, we're we're going to touch on
Speaker 2: a bit later. But WSP Europe in April. Then you
Speaker 2: got to coordinate WSP Vegas, You've got to coordinate GG
Speaker 2: poker online, WSP dot com online, and then obviously Paradise
Speaker 2: being the biggest one. But you can definitely push this
Speaker 2: to being one hundred million dollar guarantee super main event
Speaker 2: in the Bahamas with planning and not just giving out,
Speaker 2: you know, fifty million dollars in seats. I think they
Speaker 2: can get there organically in a way.
Speaker 1: I'm curious if because I know, you know, when the
Speaker 1: WPT partnered with when they came out with their big guarantee,
Speaker 1: they obviously update a ton to forty million the next year,
Speaker 1: and a lot of the discussion and I think we
Speaker 1: probably even talked about it on this podcast, and I
Speaker 1: know we talked about it even off the podcast for sure.
Speaker 1: But you know, the question is does it ever over
Speaker 1: overtake the ws AP main event in Las Vegas? Now
Speaker 1: that's obviously too well this let me set it up
Speaker 1: a little bit more. Is that you know that event,
Speaker 1: the WPD World Championship, that's competitor verse competitor, Like they're
Speaker 1: going head to head here. I mean, it's it's internal, right,
Speaker 1: So is that the plan here? You know? Are what
Speaker 1: are they what are they trying to do? Ws A.
Speaker 1: It's just it's very interesting to be both an industry
Speaker 1: insider and also a fan and kind of just watching
Speaker 1: this all unfold because I mean, it seems like it
Speaker 1: seems to me that there was a lot more promotional
Speaker 1: effort put into the ws AP Paradise Super Main Event
Speaker 1: than there was the WASP Main Event in Las Vegas. Now,
Speaker 1: of course you kind of have to do that because
Speaker 1: one of them has a big ass guarantee you got
Speaker 1: to hit, and the other one, the other one doesn't
Speaker 1: and really has a really solid, solid, excuse me, solid
Speaker 1: foundation that you kind of just like, you know, at
Speaker 1: this point, you know, barring any like insane outcomes or
Speaker 1: you know, happenings in the world that the WASP man
Speaker 1: event is Las Vegas is probably nine thousand players at
Speaker 1: its floor, like stone floor, you know. So so it's interesting, right,
Speaker 1: you know, because to your point, if they if they
Speaker 1: start to grow this thing, let's say, seventy five million
Speaker 1: next year, one hundred million the year after that, and
Speaker 1: they really start, you know, ramping it up, it starts
Speaker 1: to kind of overtake the WSP Main Event in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: And there's a little bit more flexibility with with doing
Speaker 1: things in the Bahamas, you know. You know, GG poker
Speaker 1: has done a lot to uh make some innovations here
Speaker 1: in the US, but the US Gaming industry also has
Speaker 1: a lot of regulations that you have to abide by.
Speaker 1: You know, you can't just like come in here and
Speaker 1: start firing Crypto in his buyings like stuff like that,
Speaker 1: whereas like in the Bahamas, it's like you can kind
Speaker 1: of do whatever you want. So it's a little bit freer. Now,
Speaker 1: there's obviously positives and there's negatives to every sort of thing.
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just already starting like the wheels in
Speaker 1: my head are starting to turn, like what does this
Speaker 1: thing look like? Because it's clearly now become this behemoth
Speaker 1: that is, you know, legitimately here, and it looks like
Speaker 1: it's here to stay. And you know, now it's like
Speaker 1: how big does it grow? And is it going to
Speaker 1: overtake the SPMN event in Las Vegas? And that is
Speaker 1: that the plan internally? I mean, I don't think we're
Speaker 1: ever gonna know the actual plan, but is that just
Speaker 1: kind of that natural progression here, you know. So I'm
Speaker 1: just I guess I'm kind of curious just to see
Speaker 1: how it all plays out.
Speaker 2: They could do whatever they want for this event four
Speaker 2: hundred million dollars guaranteed never ever be better than the
Speaker 2: WSP main event here in Las Vegas. You can see that,
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, there's some purity to that event. Really that
Speaker 2: every man, right, the Tim Duckworth of the world, that
Speaker 2: can jump in on the buzzer on day two D
Speaker 2: with their ten thousand dollars.
Speaker 1: Okay, but you also do realize that if it were
Speaker 1: to come to that, they could literally can't they own
Speaker 1: them one in Vegas? They could say, like.
Speaker 2: They don't change it. I'm saying, let's pretends it stays
Speaker 2: as it is. There is the purity of the freeze
Speaker 2: out aspect, there's the history, the lineage of fifty odd
Speaker 2: years of w Suputer edition. It's the one, you know.
Speaker 2: Let's also talk about just the ease of getting to Vegas.
Speaker 2: I can jump on a Southwest flight, I can drive
Speaker 2: from California, can catch a damn bullet train in a
Speaker 2: couple of years probably right, put up my ten thousand
Speaker 2: dollars play. If I'm buss, I go home. If I
Speaker 2: make it through, I continue. There's it's really hard to
Speaker 2: kind of defeat that. And now let's let's pretend it
Speaker 2: stays at Atlantis. You know, if we remove all the
Speaker 2: poker stuff from Atlantis, there's still a lot of negativity
Speaker 2: with that. Now there's the it's the food, the service,
Speaker 2: you know, the slowness of the service too. Now if
Speaker 2: they decide to move to Baha Mah, does Atlantis, Mate does?
Speaker 2: Does Gigi Poker? Just buy Atlantis and say look, let's
Speaker 2: make this better. Sure that's possibility too.
Speaker 1: Now that's je Poker Island.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that could happen. Now, I think that could change
Speaker 2: things a lot and a more positive site. I just
Speaker 2: don't think this event as it is, twenty five k
Speaker 2: buying a gazillion re entries really appeals to the greater
Speaker 2: player pool that is poker. And that's okay. Because they
Speaker 2: have the Las Vegas main event, they have other opportunities.
Speaker 2: This appeals to, you know, let's let's be real high
Speaker 2: stakes poker players and that's okay. It has its place
Speaker 2: on the poker schedule, on the poker calendar, and it
Speaker 2: appeals to enough players and they're all there. Now, if
Speaker 2: you're the everyday person that only has that one buy in,
Speaker 2: I'll see you. I'll see you in July and Vegas.
Speaker 2: You know, if you're you know, more of a value.
Speaker 2: You know, you look at all the people here playing
Speaker 2: the WPT event that we thought, Hey, they may be
Speaker 2: over at Bahamas, but are not that appeals to them.
Speaker 2: I think there's enough difference between what's going on on
Speaker 2: the schedule, whether it's you know, the WSP versus WPT
Speaker 2: debate or just the WSP Paradise versus WSP Vegas debate.
Speaker 2: So I don't think you know, it will ever ever
Speaker 2: take over the Las Vegas main event, unless you know,
Speaker 2: they decide to just click cancel on it, or they,
Speaker 2: you know, like I said, by Atlantis and hire a
Speaker 2: million people to run the restaurants and speed things up
Speaker 2: or make it. You know, I think you said it
Speaker 2: the other day. Isn't it like seven hundred five hundred
Speaker 2: dollars a night? That's pretty expensive for the for the
Speaker 2: the rex out there, and you know, just it just
Speaker 2: to me, nothing will have a have a bait the
Speaker 2: WSP main event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, listen, I'm gonna walk back kind of
Speaker 1: my stance a little bit. I'm not saying I think
Speaker 1: it's going to be. I do agree with you, I would.
Speaker 1: I also wouldn't go as far as you you're saying
Speaker 1: never ever. I'll say it's always there's always a non
Speaker 1: zero chance, right, It is always a non zero chance.
Speaker 1: So I mean, I do think that kind of something
Speaker 1: you touched on a little bit, there is where I
Speaker 1: kind of end up going with it in that you know,
Speaker 1: I don't know, I feel like I'm a decent test
Speaker 1: case for this sort of stuff. To me, playing in
Speaker 1: the w SP Super Main Event and feeling like I
Speaker 1: have a shot seems unattainable, which I think is probably
Speaker 1: the biggest hurdle to overcome if you are trying to
Speaker 1: grow this event in terms of mass appeal, because I
Speaker 1: just think like like this year, like I'm looking at
Speaker 1: it and I'm like, well, you know, One, there's the
Speaker 1: hurdle of like if it's hard to travel for poker
Speaker 1: these days, especially to a place where it's going to
Speaker 1: cost you, you know, five hundred dollars plus a night
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be. You know, you know, food's
Speaker 1: expensive there, et cetera. Like that's that's hard. So there's
Speaker 1: that aspect to overcome. Second, I mean, twenty five K
Speaker 1: is a lot of freaking money to buy into a
Speaker 1: poker tournament. Like I will take one or two shots
Speaker 1: in a ten K year, you know, sell some action
Speaker 1: and get in there. But twenty five K is hard
Speaker 1: and then on top of that, it's not only like
Speaker 1: your random twenty five K or like a good feel
Speaker 1: the twenty five K. I mean this is I've been
Speaker 1: watching the coverage. I've been following all. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: killers after killers after killers, and even guys you don't know,
Speaker 1: you just know that they're killers from online. You're watching
Speaker 1: the hands that they're playing. You're like, what in the
Speaker 1: hell is going on here? And they have unlimited buy ins.
Speaker 1: So it's like the unattainability for for somebody like me
Speaker 1: or somebody that's more on the fence. I think it's
Speaker 1: it's hard, right, It's so it's I think if you're
Speaker 1: the w s AP, the hardest thing to again make
Speaker 1: this event more mass appeal is being able to like
Speaker 1: sell that dream. I don't I agree with you that,
Speaker 1: you know, I think this event has a place. Like
Speaker 1: you said, they have the WSP main event that's like
Speaker 1: the every every pokerman's dream to go play that tournament,
Speaker 1: and then here it's this is kind of like the
Speaker 1: high rollers dream, you know. I just I think it's
Speaker 1: hard to sell this to the everyman.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 1: I think if you were to sell it to the everyman,
Speaker 1: you would have to make some changes. I think making
Speaker 1: it a freeze out is probably the number one change,
Speaker 1: you know, But then you go into the fact that, like, well,
Speaker 1: if it's a freeze out, how are we going to
Speaker 1: hit sixty million dollars or even fifty million dollars in
Speaker 1: a price play? How are you going to do that?
Speaker 1: And how you're gonna scalop that way? I mean, you're
Speaker 1: probably gonna just have to try and get five thousand
Speaker 1: unique players down to the Bahamas. And that's in and
Speaker 1: of itself in issue like it can can Atlantis even
Speaker 1: how is five thousand players? You know, Like at that
Speaker 1: point you start getting into all the logistical aspects of things.
Speaker 1: So it's just it's very interesting to see it all
Speaker 1: play out. I'm genuinely fascinated by it all, you know,
Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see where it goes in the
Speaker 1: next two three years. In kind of the immediate surface,
Speaker 1: it's definitely not going anywhere, you know. Some of this
Speaker 1: news that we'll get into next is why it's not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. I Mean, they announced the dates for next
Speaker 1: year already. They have We'll get to the WSP Player
Speaker 1: of the Year stuff, but that's going to be awarding
Speaker 1: packages to the twenty twenty seven version of this, Like,
Speaker 1: so this thing is here to stay, right, and as
Speaker 1: I said, it's an absolute freaking behemoth. So I don't know. Also, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: you're gonna get the guys, the you know, the Chidwick's,
Speaker 1: the negran Who's you know, all these guys that are
Speaker 1: going down there. Jesse Loanis et cetera firing eight nine
Speaker 1: ten fabian gums fired ten bullets, like you know, all
Speaker 1: these guys are firing double digit bullets, you know, five
Speaker 1: plus bullets at a minimum, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: I think Jeremy Osmus fired what four bullets? Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: and he was like he feels good that he only
Speaker 1: had to fire four bullets type of thing. So, but
Speaker 1: do you lose the people that are that are turned
Speaker 1: off by that? So the people that went down there
Speaker 1: with a shot, right, you know, the people that might
Speaker 1: have been chasing like some of those bonuses that you mentioned,
Speaker 1: the Paradise Parlay cash the main event in Vegas. Go
Speaker 1: down there, you cash, you get another twenty five k
Speaker 1: like stuff like that. Are you gonna are you gonna
Speaker 1: lose those fringe people? And that's gonna be interesting to see.
Speaker 2: You know, you can still go there planning to fire
Speaker 2: one bullet like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but what But that's what I'm saying is that
Speaker 1: the people that might think that do, they just end
Speaker 1: up not going because if they say, like, hey, I
Speaker 1: can spend twenty five K or twenty six k, right
Speaker 1: plus travel. Let's say I'm thirty k all in, because
Speaker 1: that's the thing I'm getting at here. I can go
Speaker 1: thirty k on. I can go fire my one bullet
Speaker 1: down there, cool right, or and this is where again
Speaker 1: it goes back to the clashing events. I can go
Speaker 1: to Vegas and WPT win, which is three flights freeze
Speaker 1: out per flight ten k, and I'm basically in that
Speaker 1: thing with a possible three chances if I need it
Speaker 1: for the same exact amount of money buy and wise. Now,
Speaker 1: of course you can win a lot more in the
Speaker 1: super main event because of the guarantee, the prize pool,
Speaker 1: all that sort of stuff, But then you also have
Speaker 1: to factor in that, you know, the the WPT World
Speaker 1: Championship is. I mean, I'm pretty confident to say that
Speaker 1: it's a much softer field and easier for you know,
Speaker 1: lesser players. Not that I'm knocking everyone that's playing that
Speaker 1: event just lesser than like, you know, like the super
Speaker 1: Wizards that are going to go down to play in Paradise.
Speaker 1: So it's it's interesting in that regard, you know, so
Speaker 1: so are the people that are the people that kind
Speaker 1: of you saw some stuff on social media that might
Speaker 1: have you know, complained or mentioned the multi entry and
Speaker 1: the number that these guys are firing. Are those the
Speaker 1: people that you're turning off and then you lose I
Speaker 1: don't know, let's say four hundred unique players, three hundred
Speaker 1: unique players, whatever it is, I don't know, because then
Speaker 1: you know, if you're somebody like a top pro and
Speaker 1: you know that those one bullet people that you might
Speaker 1: view as like the spots in the field, the soft spots,
Speaker 1: if they're not coming, does that make it less advantageous
Speaker 1: for you to then go. So it's just again, I'm
Speaker 1: just really fascinated on how it all plays out. Ten
Speaker 1: million dollars first place prize. The prize pool was officially
Speaker 1: announced today that they did say that you know, they
Speaker 1: got up over seventy two million. I think it was
Speaker 1: seventy million, two hundred and seventy five thousand in the
Speaker 1: prize pool in total, they released the prize pool breakdown today,
Speaker 1: ten million dollars for first it's very very similar at
Speaker 1: the final table too, the DUBS main event in Las Vegas.
Speaker 1: The first I think four spots are the exact same
Speaker 1: ten million, six million, four million, three million, and then
Speaker 1: fifth place here is two point three five I think
Speaker 1: in Vegas it was two point four. Then you got
Speaker 1: sixth place one point eight, you got seventh place one
Speaker 1: point four, eighth place one point one, ninth place eight
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty k, and I believe in Vegas ninth
Speaker 1: place was a million. That was the big thing.
Speaker 2: It was exact same.
Speaker 1: I mean, sure, why not? I mean, you know, I
Speaker 1: would bet that some of that had to do with
Speaker 1: because it was very it was very kind of weird
Speaker 1: with the payouts for this because like because of the
Speaker 1: way they did the schedule, like you got to cash
Speaker 1: on day two a right, but they have no idea
Speaker 1: what the total prize pool is because there's still two
Speaker 1: full flights plus that second day two and there's there's
Speaker 1: entries in all of that. Yeah, so like you have
Speaker 1: no idea. But then on the other side of things,
Speaker 1: you guaranteed I think they guaranteed or at least they
Speaker 1: might have said it. But a mint cash is worth
Speaker 1: fifty k.
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is well all WSP events now the men
Speaker 2: cash is two x.
Speaker 1: But what they did, but it's interesting to do that
Speaker 1: without knowing like the full pay out in such a
Speaker 1: big buy an event.
Speaker 2: They also did two pay jumps on day one a
Speaker 2: sorry under day twos, which I don't think they needed
Speaker 2: to do. I think they could have just kept it
Speaker 2: a fifty k. I mean, you're not saving a lot
Speaker 2: of money.
Speaker 1: You get a page on if you make day three.
Speaker 2: And then and then yeah, you just made like paid.
Speaker 2: So now the men cash on day three, which was
Speaker 2: seventy thousand, could have just been sixty thousand. So you're
Speaker 2: probably finding an extra half a million dollars, you know,
Speaker 2: if you just change those payouts that you could have
Speaker 2: put up to top up the top to get that
Speaker 2: ninth place million dollars, bumped the other ones up a
Speaker 2: little bit and kind of copy paste what we did
Speaker 2: in Vegas.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, the tournament's just wild. I don't know
Speaker 1: what else to say. It's Tuesday, December sixteenth. Day three
Speaker 1: is running down in the Bahamas. They started the day
Speaker 1: with I believe two hundred and two players. They are
Speaker 1: very much deep into that now. There was a flurry
Speaker 1: of eliminations to start right away. They're under one hundred
Speaker 1: players now in the field. Coming into the day, it
Speaker 1: was Martin Cabrell who had the chip lead. Yes, the
Speaker 1: loud guy, the obnoxious guy. Right now it is Faraz
Speaker 1: Jaka who came into the day in the top ten.
Speaker 1: He looks to be leading the way. Chad Eaves Sledge
Speaker 1: also came into the day in the top ten. He's
Speaker 1: up there crushing as well. Andy Wilson, a very good
Speaker 1: British player, is up there in the top ten. It
Speaker 1: looks like Daniel Rozai who won a w SIP Eagle
Speaker 1: bracelet in one of the events down in Paradise. He
Speaker 1: won the fifty k nolanvan hold Him high Roller Turbo,
Speaker 1: a PGT qualifying event. He's crushing. Poker media member Terrence
Speaker 1: Reid is freaking crushing. He looks like he's in like
Speaker 1: eleventh place, top fifteen. Jesse Lonis is in there, Jamil Wakiel,
Speaker 1: Alexander Theologists, Martin Cabrell is still in Yes, David Coleman
Speaker 1: is in there. So I mean Natasha Mercier is in there.
Speaker 1: I mean, this this event is just freaking wild. So
Speaker 1: still still kind of a long way to go with
Speaker 1: all of this. You had Alex Foxen busting today, Joe
Speaker 1: Katta busted today, Jean Abert Balan busted today, Chris Moneymaker
Speaker 1: busted today. Nick Bartangelo also busted it today, so you know,
Speaker 1: very interesting to follow along, very exciting to see it
Speaker 1: all happen. They are streaming this on the WSP YouTube channel,
Speaker 1: so you guys can check that out if you want.
Speaker 1: And then I did want to get to one other
Speaker 1: person who is still in because this is another kind
Speaker 1: of point of contention around the around the industry. But
Speaker 1: Ren Lynn. Ren Lynn showed up to play, which I
Speaker 1: don't know if you guys remember, but he was recently
Speaker 1: suspended indefinitely from World Series of Poker events and then
Speaker 1: next thing you know, he's in the Bahamas playing. So
Speaker 1: of course that generated a lot of buzz, a lot
Speaker 1: of news and for those that missed it, you know Rehn.
Speaker 1: The story is that he basically answered a call from
Speaker 1: a friend that he was that was playing in a tournament.
Speaker 1: Basically the friend was like asking him questions and showing
Speaker 1: him spots in a tournament but it was actually like
Speaker 1: the live tournament that the guy was playing, Wren was
Speaker 1: helping him, and it was ruled you know, real time assistants,
Speaker 1: and then you know, Wren came out afterwards, he issued
Speaker 1: this long apology. He tried to make people right financially,
Speaker 1: sending out all this different money to the various people
Speaker 1: that were possibly affected at the final table and all
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. Obviously, GG Poker and w SP
Speaker 1: come out, you know, in the aftermath they say he's
Speaker 1: suspended indefinitely. You know, then at the time the suspension,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a lot of people that was like, listen,
Speaker 1: it wasn't that bad. You know, if if what Wren
Speaker 1: really did or what he said he did, you know,
Speaker 1: if that's actually how it went down, then you know,
Speaker 1: it's not that bad. He tried to correct it immediately,
Speaker 1: he tried to you know, issue the apology. Obviously, he
Speaker 1: tried to issue the financial money or you know, the
Speaker 1: finances to everyone to kind of make them on the situation.
Speaker 1: So maybe the penalty that of the indifferent suspension was
Speaker 1: a little bit more hard than it should have been.
Speaker 1: But now it's interesting because everyone's like, well, I thought
Speaker 1: you suspended this guy indefinitely and now just the next
Speaker 1: series he's just back in the mix.
Speaker 2: That's here.
Speaker 1: You're you're a commissioner of a basically a poker league, Like,
Speaker 1: how would you handle this thing?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a tough one. But the big
Speaker 2: difference between Ran and other people that are been you know,
Speaker 2: suspended or banned or whatever have you know, he did
Speaker 2: come out immediately, tried to make things right, So that's
Speaker 2: a big difference, if we're being honest. I think a
Speaker 2: lot of people have predicted that he would be back
Speaker 2: at least by next World series, if not Paradise. So,
Speaker 2: I mean, they banned him and then they unbanned him.
Speaker 2: I don't really have a problem with it, to be honest,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the problem for many people is that
Speaker 1: you're trying to hit this huge guarantee and you unban
Speaker 1: a guy that can possibly put ten bullets in this tournament,
Speaker 1: Like that's that's the that's the that's the dots that
Speaker 1: people are connecting.
Speaker 2: You know what. I never thought of it that way.
Speaker 2: The kudos are the people who thought that was the
Speaker 2: reason they I'm banning Well, I mean that's just kind
Speaker 2: of a yeah, but like one person isn't going to
Speaker 2: make it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course one person is not going to go.
Speaker 1: But still, I mean, if you're if you're trying to
Speaker 1: pull players from everywhere to hit a huge guarantee, I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, like, yeah, I mean, I guess optically, I
Speaker 1: think it does look a little bit bad. You know,
Speaker 1: in indefinite suspension is there's obviously no timetable on it.
Speaker 1: They can lift the suspension whenever they want. I do
Speaker 1: think that, you know, Wren handled the situation after it
Speaker 1: happened as best he could, you know, immediately coming out
Speaker 1: saying like, yeah, I screwed up. I'm sorry, here's the
Speaker 1: money back to these people. But I also think that,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe w SP and GG should have been like, listen,
Speaker 1: here's the deal. You're suspended for WSP Paradise. You can't
Speaker 1: do anything there, and you know, we'll revisit it next
Speaker 1: year and then maybe they they allow him to play
Speaker 1: WISP Europe or the Douvasip in Las Vegas, right, you know,
Speaker 1: But I think I think lifting a suspension before you
Speaker 1: actually had any other events is kind of a weird.
Speaker 1: Look like, at least suspend him for like something, and
Speaker 1: it just so happens that that's something for them would
Speaker 1: have been dobsip Paradise, so you know, probably would have
Speaker 1: just suspended him for WSP Paris has been like listen, buddy,
Speaker 1: you just got to sit out, man. I'm sorry. You
Speaker 1: know you're you're on a six month ban or whatever
Speaker 1: the heck it is. You know, you did some good
Speaker 1: things in terms of trying to right the wrongs after
Speaker 1: the fact, but you still did wrong. So you know,
Speaker 1: we got to kind of set a little bit of
Speaker 1: an example here, and that's what we're gonna do. But
Speaker 1: I do agree with you that, you know, it's not
Speaker 1: as bad as some of the others in the past,
Speaker 1: and I don't think he should be suspended for life
Speaker 1: or anything like that, but I think he kind of
Speaker 1: do have to set some sort of like you know,
Speaker 1: precedence here. But anyway, Redland's backpoint and he's still on
Speaker 1: with under Hunter Proyers left, so let's see how that goes.
Speaker 1: I mentioned that this is is a PGT qualifying event.
Speaker 1: You had Michael the Grinder, Miss Rocky and John wo Wasnock,
Speaker 1: the top two finishers from this year's WSB Man event
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas. They both needed to find a second
Speaker 1: cash in order to get that third qualifying cash or sorry,
Speaker 1: a third cash. They both needed to find a third cash.
Speaker 1: They had two my fault in order to be eligible
Speaker 1: for the PGT Million Dollar Championship at the end of
Speaker 1: the season. They both got it in this event. I
Speaker 1: don't know if miss Rocky knows. I know for sure
Speaker 1: Big wah Was knows because he immediately sent a DM
Speaker 1: to the poker Twitter account or the PGT account was like,
Speaker 1: I got my third cash. I'll see you in January
Speaker 1: in Vegas. So Was knows. He's ready to go. He's
Speaker 1: been he's been grinding. He was at Venetian, he played
Speaker 1: maybe a couple nept events. He played for sure in
Speaker 1: Texas like he was, He's playing stuff like he's trying
Speaker 1: to get this third cash. He finally got it in
Speaker 1: this damn event. So congrats to you, mister Wasnack, and
Speaker 1: we will see you in Las Vegas. Now, Michael m
Speaker 1: is Rocky have no idea he knows like he could know,
Speaker 1: he could not know. I know we talked with him
Speaker 1: during the National Heads Up Poker Championship and he was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna get my third but I have no idea
Speaker 1: what grinder knows or doesn't know. I mean, for all
Speaker 1: we know, he might think the event already happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll send someone a message to alert him. But
Speaker 2: uh yeah, him and him and was got that third cash?
Speaker 2: That good on them. The guys that also needed a
Speaker 2: second I mean a second or a third cash don't
Speaker 2: appear to be there playing.
Speaker 1: So the one that sticks out to me is Leo Margetts.
Speaker 1: She's not there. She's at the wind.
Speaker 2: She's at the wind.
Speaker 1: She would he would need two cashes though.
Speaker 2: Kenny Hallett, he's over in Prague, which does make sense.
Speaker 2: Jared mc guiney he is here in Vegas too, But yeah,
Speaker 2: so we'll probably see those. Fellow w SP Main Event
Speaker 2: final table is not participate in the upcoming free role.
Speaker 2: But I think the biggest kind of changes on the leaderboard.
Speaker 2: And look, we still have several events left. There's sixteen
Speaker 2: hundred points up top in the Super Main, so things
Speaker 2: are going to keep moving. But you know the biggest
Speaker 2: change is Stephen Chidwick. He jumped up into the top ten.
Speaker 2: We had Michael Manchek pick up some much need to
Speaker 2: points when he finished runner up to Charlie hook, he's
Speaker 2: up into the top twenty. And then you've got a
Speaker 2: lot of people in this in this middle group. I'm
Speaker 2: going to throw out some names at you right now.
Speaker 2: Obviously you got Jesse Lonas who's seventh, but you know,
Speaker 2: you have Victor Blum, you had Chadiveslays, you have Latara Guerrera.
Speaker 2: So Gio Ittor just busted. But those guys in those
Speaker 2: mid twenties with sixteen hundred points, they could take the
Speaker 2: lead over Alex Foxon who did cash in the main event.
Speaker 2: But yeah, we could see, you know, some dramatic changes
Speaker 2: on the whole entire lead aboard once you know, WSP
Speaker 2: Paradise kind of wraps up, obviously a couple more events
Speaker 2: left too, and then we're gonna lead obviously into our
Speaker 2: PGT Last Chance. That will really kind of shape everything
Speaker 2: heading into that you know, million dollar Championship.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there's gonna be a lot of movement,
Speaker 1: as you said, coming out of this whole thing. I mean,
Speaker 1: we'll have to have to watch every single day and
Speaker 1: see how this thing unfolds, and then you know, we'll
Speaker 1: we'll go from there. So it would be it would
Speaker 1: be pretty wild to see someone, you know, kind of
Speaker 1: come out of like outside the top forty and like
Speaker 1: you know, make a huge leap, get into the top forty,
Speaker 1: ultimately be able to possibly challenge for Player of the
Speaker 1: Year honors. Like you know, it's just there's a lot
Speaker 1: to be there.
Speaker 2: One name for that is Daniel Roseai. Yeah, he obviously
Speaker 2: won the fifty k high roll of the seven hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty points. That was his second cash of the season.
Speaker 2: He's still in the main event, so let's just pretend
Speaker 2: he wins that. That's sixteen hundred. So now he's up
Speaker 2: to twenty three hundred and he's sitting third on the Leadabard.
Speaker 1: I mean, that's just wild.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wild. You know, there's a lot of kind of
Speaker 2: crazy stuff like that that could happen, and yeah, we
Speaker 2: we just get through broad eyes. The other thing, which
Speaker 2: is tricky, which is, you know, I don't think we
Speaker 2: really took into account when we gave WSB the Green
Speaker 2: Lion was the double cashing. You know, like how does
Speaker 2: that affect you know, like you know, Nacho Barbero is
Speaker 2: a good one. He's cashed twice. You know, how does
Speaker 2: that affect how many points does he get for that?
Speaker 2: Because he's on he's at eight hundred and two points,
Speaker 2: so he's about, you know, one hundred points out of
Speaker 2: the top forty. He's cash twice. How are we gonna Uh?
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you have to honor it. But
Speaker 1: I personally, I like, I was aware of how they
Speaker 1: were doing this structure at the beginning of the tournament.
Speaker 1: I thought, I don't know why. My mind just thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: they're going to make the money on day three. What
Speaker 1: I thought, like that just made sense to me. I
Speaker 1: was like, why would you have people double cashing in
Speaker 1: this tournament? But I'm also like, okay, I get it
Speaker 1: from their aside, because you want people double cashing because
Speaker 1: only fire multiple boards and that helps through guarantee.
Speaker 2: For the way I'm I've kind of already approached it
Speaker 2: heading into this was they get the highest of the points,
Speaker 2: they get both payouts in their stats, and but they
Speaker 2: only get one cash because it's one event still, so
Speaker 2: you know, like forward best points forward, that's the most
Speaker 2: points forward, best cash forward. But we'll give them credit
Speaker 2: for the for the the amount of money they won,
Speaker 2: mainly because it's going to mess up on my data
Speaker 2: if I don't do that that way. But that kind
Speaker 2: of makes sense to me the most. You know, Nicha
Speaker 2: Burbera is a good one. He could have picked up
Speaker 2: ninety points, but he's only going to pick up fifty six.
Speaker 2: I think that's, you know, fairly fair to me. And
Speaker 2: obviously there's a few more, but I have to wait
Speaker 2: till everyone kind of busts, because you know, going through
Speaker 2: WSP plus today, you're still seeing a lot of like
Speaker 2: code names, you know, super Yang A twenty three, et cetera,
Speaker 2: and trying to figure out who these guys actually are
Speaker 2: and you know where if they cash twice and I
Speaker 2: have to, you know, get fancy with my spreadsheet.
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Though, in that WSP plus app,
Speaker 1: they did fix the font size that I was complaining
Speaker 1: about all summer long, and the font sizes.
Speaker 2: It seems to get better every day, like it seems
Speaker 2: to be.
Speaker 1: My only issue is I don't have to restart an
Speaker 1: app more than I restart every day. I have to
Speaker 1: restart this app. I mean, I know that they're obviously
Speaker 1: doing updates every single day and it's it's constantly improving,
Speaker 1: but which is a good thing. But I'm also like,
Speaker 1: do I have to always restart this app?
Speaker 2: The one thing. I just I'm assuming there's probably a solution.
Speaker 2: You know, we obviously dealt a lot with the WSB
Speaker 2: plus app, you know, during the summer with but the
Speaker 2: feature table player, you know, name blanked out, chips removed,
Speaker 2: and they have a YouTube logo. Like it needs to
Speaker 2: be a better way to do this, Like, you know,
Speaker 2: I just I need to see who that person is.
Speaker 2: If you don't want to update the chips, that's fine,
Speaker 2: but like we need especially like think about it tomorrow
Speaker 2: when they play, the.
Speaker 1: Name should be there, but like where the chips are
Speaker 1: should maybe just be like a lock symbol, like the
Speaker 1: chips are locked, that's right, you know, or like too
Speaker 1: or maybe that maybe the chip symbol is like it
Speaker 1: says it puts the chips there, but then it says
Speaker 1: like next to it sixty minutes ago or something, because
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, based off whatever. Like I don't
Speaker 1: know something, but I do agree with you that it's
Speaker 1: a little bit weird because you're you're trying to sweat
Speaker 1: the updates and then you're like, well, who the heck
Speaker 1: are these eighty nine people? Where'd they go?
Speaker 2: You know, tomorrow everyone will be a feature table player.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2: That's the kind of issue. And if they really look,
Speaker 2: do they really care about do they really want people
Speaker 2: watching or they want on people on the app? You know,
Speaker 2: I I think it's I.
Speaker 1: Mean, I think they ultimately want both.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that means possible, you know, I'm
Speaker 2: I'm a firm believer. If you want to watch the stream,
Speaker 2: you'll watch the stream. If you want to look at
Speaker 2: the updates, you look at the updates. I think they
Speaker 2: can both be essentially live without really jeopardizing anything. So
Speaker 2: that's my theory on it.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, you know what, we'll obviously be keeping
Speaker 1: tabs on this thing as it goes. That is the
Speaker 1: WSP Paradise Super Main Event. Ten million dollars to first place,
Speaker 1: more than seventy two million dollars in the prize pool,
Speaker 1: and they are down to fewer than one hundred players.
Speaker 2: Gabriella Gabrielle Andrade is still in by the way, I
Speaker 2: just know, oh my god, he's running on the pot.
Speaker 2: I remember. I think if you guys remember, from like
Speaker 2: what maybe two podcasts ago, I told a story about
Speaker 2: how he was buried chasing the TCH Main Event sixteen
Speaker 2: hundred dollars a pop brick. The entire series were putting
Speaker 2: like twelve bullets, came over to the Champions, played the
Speaker 2: final like hypertobo flight got in made a running that
Speaker 2: main event. He's you know, obviously plays both games, but
Speaker 2: I always thought Pilo was his like main game, cashing that,
Speaker 2: you know, but like grinding the old thirty three hundred
Speaker 2: of the Champions and the sixteen hundred at TCH and
Speaker 2: then now he's just winning truck or finishing whatever is second.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because he finished second in the two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty k Invitational tournament and Paradise.
Speaker 2: So raking and running the super main. Where is he
Speaker 2: sitting wild? It's twenty fifth right now of niney odd
Speaker 2: so you go kind of crazy.
Speaker 1: All right, sticking with the World Series of Poker, but
Speaker 1: kind of shifting gears a little bit here w SP Europe.
Speaker 1: So they announced, uh, I don't know, a couple of
Speaker 1: months ago, Tim and I brought it up on the podcast,
Speaker 1: but they announced how two big changes to that series.
Speaker 1: One is they were going to be leaving Rosmudov and
Speaker 1: going to Prague. I believe it's the Hilton Prague, which is,
Speaker 1: if I'm correct, the same venue as ept prog I believe,
Speaker 1: So they're moving to Prague, and then they're also shifting timeframe,
Speaker 1: so they're not going to do the October ish window.
Speaker 1: They're going to shift it to the front half of
Speaker 1: the year, and they're doing it what end of March
Speaker 1: into April, right at the end of March into April,
Speaker 1: March thirty first through April twelfth, and then today or
Speaker 1: yesterday they announced the schedule and this also comes with
Speaker 1: some changes. Fifteen gold bracelet events, which I think is
Speaker 1: what they normally do there, but the main event is
Speaker 1: the big talking point here. So the WSP Europe Main
Speaker 1: Event has always been ten thousand euro buying or ten
Speaker 1: thousand pounds when they were doing it in London, they
Speaker 1: dropped it to five k and they added an enormous
Speaker 1: ten million euro guarantee. Now I know that's not the
Speaker 1: sixty seventy million that they're getting down at the WSP
Speaker 1: Paradise Superman event, but ten million, and according to the
Speaker 1: news store NWSP dot com, this figure surpasses any guarantee
Speaker 1: for a poker tournament held in Europe in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not sure that because there's been a
Speaker 1: guarantee bigger. I mean maybe that whatever that ISPT thing,
Speaker 1: the International Stadium's Poker Tour thing. I don't even remember
Speaker 1: what the hell they were.
Speaker 2: Trying to the Trenton event there, But did they have
Speaker 2: a guarantee? They may have? Who won that Andy?
Speaker 1: Which one?
Speaker 2: The one random one they did.
Speaker 1: The Triton one?
Speaker 2: No, that's not that's called I don't know whatever. I'll
Speaker 2: go digg him. I thought they anyway.
Speaker 1: But anyway, in twenty twenty five, ten million dollars for
Speaker 1: a five K that's two thousand entries. That's freaking Why
Speaker 1: so the WSB Europe Main event, which had six hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty entries, what.
Speaker 2: The one jop? They did a one drop there?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but did they have a guarantee?
Speaker 2: But you said biggest prize pool in Europe.
Speaker 1: No, no, it's the biggest guarantee for a poker tournament
Speaker 1: held in Europe.
Speaker 2: We'll have to get d Maybe I misspoke.
Speaker 1: Again, and I have no idea what I'm saying, but
Speaker 1: in my mind I said guarantee, So that's what I said.
Speaker 1: So yeah, so they had six hundred and fifty ish players.
Speaker 1: I think that number has been kind of around the
Speaker 1: same maybe it has been declining a little bit. I
Speaker 1: don't know exactly, but now they're going to go to
Speaker 1: two thousand right now. Obviously half the buy in, but
Speaker 1: if you were just to take last year's field multiply
Speaker 1: it by two, that gets you up to thirteen hundred
Speaker 1: and fifty. And this they're guaranteeing two thousand entries. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously they can miss the guarantee and it can be
Speaker 1: less entries, but I mean with the way that GG
Speaker 1: Poker's going, you know now owning the wsp brand, I
Speaker 1: feel like they're going to get twelve to fourteen million
Speaker 1: in this price will easy and that's just out of
Speaker 1: freaking control for a for this tournament. I mean, the
Speaker 1: EBT progue just wrapped up like what a week or
Speaker 1: two ago Mountain Kerkow shout out to him, long time
Speaker 1: member of the industry, member of the poker community, won
Speaker 1: the events. I believe that had around twelve hundred entries.
Speaker 1: So I mean that gives you an idea of what
Speaker 1: WSPU Europe is trying to scale to here and they
Speaker 1: come out with this enormous freaking guarantee which is just nuts.
Speaker 1: It does have three starting flights I'm assuming it's gonna
Speaker 1: be you know, multiple re entry, all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: They also have a fifteen hundred dollars no limit hold
Speaker 1: them European Circuit Championship that comes with a one point
Speaker 1: five million dollar guarantee. So in that one, you're looking
Speaker 1: at a thousand entries based on the guarantee. They got
Speaker 1: you know, a bunch of different price points on here.
Speaker 1: They got a one K opener, a three KPLO mixed
Speaker 1: h five hundred dollars five hundred euro I should say colossus.
Speaker 1: They got a two K twenty five hundred. They got
Speaker 1: a ten K high roller, you know, a twenty five
Speaker 1: k GG million's high roller. So you know, this is
Speaker 1: this is a series that you know, much different than
Speaker 1: than w S would be Paradise, where you know, it
Speaker 1: was like there was one buy in sub five k
Speaker 1: for like actual bracelet event, then everything else was just astronomical.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is very much geared towards like kind
Speaker 1: of your more average tournament player, traveling player, WSP player,
Speaker 1: that sort of stuff. So I feel like with this schedule,
Speaker 1: this series is now fully back. It's going to be wild.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be enormous. So yeah, is it.
Speaker 2: Going to be enormous? Why the reason I say that
Speaker 2: I criticized the dates they chose, Okay, because well.
Speaker 1: They said, f your dates, tim ten million euros guaranteed.
Speaker 1: That's what they said.
Speaker 2: I got it, I got it. They want to go
Speaker 2: to war.
Speaker 1: Money can solve a lot of problems, including scheduling.
Speaker 2: Look, they went to wall with WPT win Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: Now they're going to war with the Irish poke.
Speaker 3: Up in and I think they're winning the WPT versus
Speaker 3: moved it a week later and completely being offset but
Speaker 3: now with their main event at the front end of
Speaker 3: the series, right because.
Speaker 2: Irish poke up in the one of the yah y
Speaker 2: a series in the world that ends April sixth. WSP
Speaker 2: Europe starts March thirty first, ends April twelfth. Now, if i'm.
Speaker 1: And the main event dates specifically April third, April fourth,
Speaker 1: and April fifth for the starting.
Speaker 2: Place, and they overlap the Irish Poker Open main event
Speaker 2: that has a two point five million dollar guarantee, But
Speaker 2: why wouldn't WSP Europe just offset that by a few days.
Speaker 2: You know, we talk about you know, we talk about
Speaker 2: giving players the most opportunity to play everything. They just
Speaker 2: moved that to the second week of WSP Europe. They
Speaker 2: completely fade the Irish Pokeer Open main event and all
Speaker 2: the other events they have there. But as we know,
Speaker 2: WSP don't give a shit about anybody else, so they
Speaker 2: did this. So I am not as bullish on of
Speaker 2: being a super popular event because I think a lot
Speaker 2: of people, you know, are still going to choose the
Speaker 2: Irish Prokeer Open that obviously has some history. We saw
Speaker 2: a lot of I notice a lot of people on
Speaker 2: so sure not base there traveling to go play the
Speaker 2: Irish Prokerap And we had a couple of our players
Speaker 2: play the Irish proke Op and skip our events. And
Speaker 2: this is going to be another kind of forced decision
Speaker 2: by the two operators. And you know, not really the
Speaker 2: Irish poke up in the every days have been out forever,
Speaker 2: but really four WSP forcing players to choose between you know,
Speaker 2: the Irish Prokeer Open WSP Europe. Buyings are different, but
Speaker 2: the biggest issue is that conflicting main event. And look,
Speaker 2: you're going to look at it and say, okay, I
Speaker 2: can play a five K ten mil or I can
Speaker 2: play an eleven hundred two and a half mil. You
Speaker 2: know there is an overlapping players there. Whether you know
Speaker 2: how many, I don't know, but still I just don't.
Speaker 2: I just don't like that they had the whole April's
Speaker 2: calendar open. They just could have moved it a week
Speaker 2: later and completely dominated the entire playa pol. You could
Speaker 2: have got all all of Europe playing just by moving
Speaker 2: in a week later.
Speaker 1: That's I mean, listen, I I don't disagree with you
Speaker 1: that I would love for everyone to play nice. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't think the WSB really has to here. Ws
Speaker 1: B is the NFL. They can do whatever the hell
Speaker 1: they want. I'm sorry, but they're the biggest brand and
Speaker 1: they can do whatever that. They can drop the hammer
Speaker 1: if they want to.
Speaker 2: What they're not gonna win, then they'll think about it.
Speaker 2: Around now with Bahamas, think about how many people are trying.
Speaker 1: What do you mean with right now? With Bahamas? They
Speaker 1: just got seventy two plus million dollars the price, But
Speaker 1: how can you say they're not gonna win. They're gonna win.
Speaker 1: Maybe they're gonna win.
Speaker 2: Think of all the players that are here.
Speaker 1: You know who hurts the WPT hurts. Sure, they're main
Speaker 1: event dropped more than five hundred entries this year. The
Speaker 1: Irish poke Gropen is likely gonna be the one that
Speaker 1: hurts here, not the ws B Europe.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, But I'm trying to say is that if if
Speaker 2: they did their event a different time, they would get
Speaker 2: potentially ninety five percent of the play a pool instead
Speaker 2: of sixty percent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I don't disagree with you. It would be lovely, Listen.
Speaker 1: It would have been lovely if like, for example, if
Speaker 1: I was thinking about going to play these events, I
Speaker 1: could go to Europe, I could go to Ireland, I
Speaker 1: could fire that. I could hop on over to Prague.
Speaker 1: I could fire that, and then I could head home,
Speaker 1: make a little swing out of the whole thing. Right now, Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: that's not how it's gonna be personally. If I was
Speaker 1: the rspoke Rope and I would move my event, okay,
Speaker 1: just like as I sent a text message and had
Speaker 1: a little conversation with a friend of the podcast, Matt Savage,
Speaker 1: I would have moved the WPT World Championship dates. I
Speaker 1: would have shifted it one day further and I would
Speaker 1: have tried to get everyone coming back from the Bahamas
Speaker 1: to fire that final flight, Like that's what I would
Speaker 1: have done, And yes, it's not ideal, and you do
Speaker 1: have to kind of, you know, back off, and you
Speaker 1: know in a way like you kind of have to
Speaker 1: be the bigger person here, Like you can't just be like,
Speaker 1: well I'm not moving because you're not moving, and then
Speaker 1: it's just this game of chicken and no one's gonna
Speaker 1: win there. So like, listen, the WSP's gonna do what
Speaker 1: the WSPEED does. They are the NFL of the industry,
Speaker 1: you know, whether we like it or not. They are
Speaker 1: the biggest and the best brand and that's where a
Speaker 1: lot of the value is and the biggest tournaments and
Speaker 1: that's what everyone knows and blah blah blah blah. That's
Speaker 1: we all have to just understand that. So you just
Speaker 1: have to kind of shift and you have to be
Speaker 1: willing to shift. I mean you know that more importantly
Speaker 1: than anyone because you're constantly like, well, if this changes,
Speaker 1: I'm going to change it whatever, like we could. I'm
Speaker 1: constantly trying to tell you times to like stand your
Speaker 1: ground and you're not, and you're always moving shit around.
Speaker 1: So you know, like if if if you were in
Speaker 1: charge of the Irish Poker Open here, you would probably
Speaker 1: say like, well, we got to move like we like,
Speaker 1: I'm Irish is too big for it to just get
Speaker 1: up Listen, I'm not. First of all, we can say
Speaker 1: this here on this podcast. We have no idea if
Speaker 1: like you know, the Irish Poker Open or any venue
Speaker 1: and operator whatever has convention space locked in, you know,
Speaker 1: events space, all that. It's It's understandably it can be
Speaker 1: a logistical nightmare if you have to move stuff, and
Speaker 1: sometimes it's not even possible, right, you know, Like we
Speaker 1: talk at times like well why don't they do the
Speaker 1: WPT World Championship earlier or whatever, But it's like you
Speaker 1: can't because there's that big Amazon conference or whatever in
Speaker 1: Las Vegas. It takes up basically the entire city. So like,
Speaker 1: you know, we get it. That said, I would still
Speaker 1: try try. I would I would exhaust all avenues to
Speaker 1: make it happen because I think at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, with with what we're seeing now, and we're
Speaker 1: going to get to some of this, you know in
Speaker 1: a second. But you know, with what we're seeing now
Speaker 1: is GG Poker owns the Dobis Ape, the biggest Brandon
Speaker 1: poker and they are just swinging left, right and center,
Speaker 1: so like you know, you can it's like just you
Speaker 1: got to start bobbing and weaving like that. Everyone else
Speaker 1: just has to start bobbing and weaving. That's that's just
Speaker 1: how it has to be. Okay, because these guys are
Speaker 1: in town every which place in the world and they're
Speaker 1: just they're dropping the hammer. So we we you know,
Speaker 1: including the PGT, we got to kind of just work
Speaker 1: around it, right, especially if they're going to be continuing
Speaker 1: to throw these huge guarantees at things sixty million dollars
Speaker 1: in the Bahamas, you got ten million here, like they're
Speaker 1: swinging for the fences.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So, I mean you even see things like, you know,
Speaker 1: for one person, David Baker was like, WUROP schedule looks great. Awesome,
Speaker 1: I'm a fan, Like it sounds like he's like gonna go.
Speaker 1: I didn't see David Baker saying that about the Irish
Speaker 1: proke open. Yeah, so it's like it's I mean, and
Speaker 1: I know that's obviously super small. Samul Sizes is one
Speaker 1: person that I happened to see say something on social
Speaker 1: media like but yeah.
Speaker 2: This is really up time. I just randomly searched like
Speaker 2: flights to Dublin from Vegas surprisingly cheap, because I was like,
Speaker 2: that'd always be pretty cool to go to Isle.
Speaker 1: I've always wanted to go to the Irish Proke for sure.
Speaker 1: Well that's not better at all.
Speaker 2: Do you think they would, uh, you know, maybe want
Speaker 2: daily podcasts from the Icehbrooke group.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think you should email them and they
Speaker 1: can sponsor this podcast if they pay for some of
Speaker 1: our stuff. I'm in, We're totally in. Let's go send
Speaker 1: out to a bunch of two dumb Americans over there
Speaker 1: and we'll make it happen. Yeah, but you're basically American now, sure, yeah,
Speaker 1: but yeah, let's say yes. I just I think that
Speaker 1: you just have to again, I think you have with
Speaker 1: what the ws AP is doing, you know, I think
Speaker 1: you just have to be willing to move things around,
Speaker 1: like you just have to be flexible and listen, it sucks.
Speaker 1: It sucks to move. I get it. We've had to
Speaker 1: move stuff on the PGT.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 1: You and I were just talking about with some of
Speaker 1: our events the other day, like, you know, it's just
Speaker 1: it's frustrating to constantly move and blah blah blah. But
Speaker 1: I mean, unless now, the other option is like you
Speaker 1: just have to basically fight fire with fire, and like,
Speaker 1: I mean the best example is as WPT tried to
Speaker 1: do it when they went to forty million on their guarantee.
Speaker 1: They missed. Now that event doesn't have a guarantee. So
Speaker 1: it's like, if you're willing to go toe to toe
Speaker 1: with the World Series of Poker right and like constantly
Speaker 1: put your neck on the line, your financial neck on
Speaker 1: the line because you know that's going to be large
Speaker 1: guarantees and whatnot, then Okay, I guess if that's what
Speaker 1: you want to do, then go right ahead. But other
Speaker 1: than that, you know, I think we just got to
Speaker 1: kind of work around you know, I say we because
Speaker 1: we obviously do the PGT stuff, so you know, we
Speaker 1: got to kind of work around what seems like a
Speaker 1: new era for the WACIPI and it's here to stay.
Speaker 1: So yeah, looking listen, I'm also not saying like like
Speaker 1: Irish poke rope and should not like move to like October,
Speaker 1: Like you know, it's just like we kind of if
Speaker 1: they can again, if they can, I know, some things
Speaker 1: might be locked in and it's just impossible, but you know,
Speaker 1: shifted a day or two here.
Speaker 2: When did you say, the main event in Europe starts
Speaker 2: the third, yes, so day two of the Irish pok
Speaker 2: Group and is April fourth, so you can probably you know,
Speaker 2: cash the Irish poke up and knowing Europe, I haven't
Speaker 2: spent much time there, but it's probably I don't know,
Speaker 2: probably get on a flight and be in Prague in
Speaker 2: an hour, so you could essentially still play both and
Speaker 2: just play like one of the later flights for WSP
Speaker 2: Europe and like looking at their schedule. The only thing
Speaker 2: after that that has a big guarantee is this two
Speaker 2: hundred See this is right, apparently the Minish the Mini
Speaker 2: Irish Open is a two hundred and fifty dollars million
Speaker 2: dollar like guarantee.
Speaker 1: I was like, does this thing have like is this
Speaker 1: thing being played online? Like what the hell is this
Speaker 1: turn they have?
Speaker 2: Look, they have online satellites, you know.
Speaker 1: Because their partnered with poker Stars for the Irish.
Speaker 2: You know what, these guys will be fine, they'll make
Speaker 2: they guarantee, just won't be as big as next year
Speaker 2: as as this year. Sorry, uh so they'll be fine.
Speaker 2: I will that, you know for dogs and young pops.
Speaker 2: I don't know what that is, but I.
Speaker 1: I will also say that. You know, in this shout
Speaker 1: up producer Rich Ryan, he's always kind of hammering this
Speaker 1: this point home. But you know, the Irish Poker Open,
Speaker 1: while it does have a bit of international fame and
Speaker 1: buzz to it, I mean it really is a regional
Speaker 1: slash local poker t yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And and the w SP, well WSP Europe specifically, but
Speaker 1: the w SP brand, I mean that is like pretty
Speaker 1: much only an international like global brand, right, So you know,
Speaker 1: I think they kind of attract different player pools in
Speaker 1: a so you know, I think that I think that
Speaker 1: both will be okay. You know, it's not fun having
Speaker 1: this dropped on you if you are the Irish Proke Rope,
Speaker 1: and of course, like it's not fun, you're you're probably
Speaker 1: a little bit more uneasy about having to hit your guarantee.
Speaker 1: But I still think that they'll hit it. But I
Speaker 1: think the overall point, like what you're trying to make
Speaker 1: is you would love people to go they run deep
Speaker 1: in the Irish Proke Grope main event, maybe they cash
Speaker 1: for thirty K, they hop on over, they fire five
Speaker 1: bolts in the WSP Europe. Male Like, that's just kind
Speaker 1: of what we all want to see, right, and what
Speaker 1: we want to experience. So but but you know, we'll see.
Speaker 1: I mean, there's a crap ton of poker. It's there's
Speaker 1: poker everywhere, you know. You and I aren't going to
Speaker 1: talk about EPT Prog, but that thing's been running and
Speaker 1: doing some big numbers over there. So yeah, there's a
Speaker 1: lot to be had, and it's it's very interesting now
Speaker 1: to see how this landscape unfolds again with it's been
Speaker 1: a little over a year now since GG Poker acquired
Speaker 1: the WSP brand, and the swings that they are taking
Speaker 1: are highly evident, like they are high. They're headlining moves,
Speaker 1: and we are all seeing in that latest one today
Speaker 1: or one of the latest ones today because we're aout
Speaker 1: to talking about. The other one is that they dropped
Speaker 1: this WSP Europe schedule and it has this five five
Speaker 1: k euro ten million dollar guaranteed main event, which is
Speaker 1: freaking crazy. So as far as I'm concerned, WSP Euver
Speaker 1: is freaking back, okay, and I'm happy to see it
Speaker 1: because I love doubs B Europe. It was the prestigious
Speaker 1: brother of the WSP. All Right. The other piece of
Speaker 1: the news out of the WSP, WSP player of the year,
Speaker 1: everyone's been yelling, screaming, doing everything to be like, can
Speaker 1: we do prizes for the WSP Player of the Year,
Speaker 1: What the heck are we doing? Well, WSP today came
Speaker 1: out and said there will be a one million dollar
Speaker 1: total prize pool for the twenty twenty six WSP Player
Speaker 1: of the Year race. The race does include WSP Europe,
Speaker 1: which we just talked about, It includes the flagship WSOP
Speaker 1: Summer in Las Vegas, and it also includes WSP Paradise.
Speaker 1: So going back to that three series approach back when
Speaker 1: they had Europe, the Summer in Vegas, and then they
Speaker 1: had b Asia Pacific RIPWSP Asia Pacific. So now they're
Speaker 1: doing all three of these. Per the press release, the
Speaker 1: eventual Player of the Year winner will claim and enhanced
Speaker 1: one hundred KWSP Paradise package with a variety of other
Speaker 1: WSP packages and or tickets awarded to the top one
Speaker 1: hundred players on the leaderboard at the conclusion of the season.
Speaker 1: So if you head on over to WSP dot com,
Speaker 1: they have a whole landing page dedicated to well, they
Speaker 1: have a whole landing page dedicated to one WSP Europ
Speaker 1: which Tim and I just talked about. They also have
Speaker 1: a landing page dedicated to the new Player of the
Speaker 1: Year stuff. They have all the prizes listed on there,
Speaker 1: the details, They have past POY winners listed there. They
Speaker 1: have a calculator for the new WSP Player of the
Speaker 1: Year points calculator, so they have that all there. It
Speaker 1: does say that first place is going to get the
Speaker 1: hundre K Paradise package plus the POI title, but then
Speaker 1: it also says second and third are also going to
Speaker 1: get a hundre K Paradise package, which is interesting. That's
Speaker 1: the same. Then four through fifteenth are listed to get
Speaker 1: a thirty K Super Main Event package to WSIP Paradise.
Speaker 1: Sixteenth through fiftieth are going to get a five K
Speaker 1: Circuit Championship package which takes place at WISP Paradise, and
Speaker 1: then one of those players in that group will be
Speaker 1: randomly drawn to win a thirty K Super Main Event
Speaker 1: package upgrade, and then fifty first through one hundredth get
Speaker 1: two and a half K Circuit Championship ticket, and then
Speaker 1: randomly six players will be drawn from that group to
Speaker 1: get a five K package instead. So all of the
Speaker 1: million dollars that are being given outs are awarded via
Speaker 1: do WSP Paradise packages, which you know, kind of again
Speaker 1: going back to my original thought exercise of like what's
Speaker 1: the goal here, what's the plan here? To me, this
Speaker 1: is another piece of evidence that they could just be
Speaker 1: pushing everything to Dobspy Paradise. Yeah, so again, it's just
Speaker 1: it's just very interesting to see how it's all going.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 1: I would assume I couldn't find it in there. But
Speaker 1: because the player of the erace includes WSB Paradise, all
Speaker 1: these packages should apply for twenty twenty seven, would be
Speaker 1: my guess. So there's no prize money next year because
Speaker 1: how can you award a package? Good point, right, it
Speaker 1: has the following year.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right.
Speaker 1: I'm not sure how this changes things. Like let's I mean,
Speaker 1: we already talked about David Baker, like he's someone who
Speaker 1: if you guys listen to his podcast with Adam Schwartz
Speaker 1: Gamble Up the Gamble Up Pod, highly encourage you guys
Speaker 1: to go check that out. But you know, he talked
Speaker 1: about how he kind of hates what they're doing with
Speaker 1: the Dovaspy Paradise stuff, right, but now he said today
Speaker 1: seeing the WSP Europe schedule that he likes that, and
Speaker 1: he seems like he's likely going to make the trips.
Speaker 1: So let's say hypothetically Baker goes to Europe has a
Speaker 1: great run. Does his normal thing in the summer has
Speaker 1: a good run? Is he now going to chase Player
Speaker 1: of the Year and go to Paradise which he originally
Speaker 1: didn't really want to do?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: So does that switch that whole pathway up and kind
Speaker 1: of drive more people down to Paradise? Who knows? I mean,
Speaker 1: I guess we'll see how it all unfolds, but it
Speaker 1: could be interesting to see how that goes. What do
Speaker 1: you got thoughts here on Player of the Year.
Speaker 2: I should ask producer Rich to dig up some old
Speaker 2: audio files. But I'm said something very similar to this,
Speaker 2: you know, for Player of the Year, where they could
Speaker 2: I didn't say a million dollars, I said something a
Speaker 2: lot smaller. Bet you could basically change the Vegas Player
Speaker 2: of the Year that maybe it's a half a million
Speaker 2: dollar prize bowl that awards seats or tickets or packages
Speaker 2: into Paradise if Paradise is still going to be a thing.
Speaker 2: So obviously they listen to me made a little better. No,
Speaker 2: But I do like it because you know, like we've
Speaker 2: kind of touched on. All their eggs are in the
Speaker 2: paradise basket right now. I think we can both assume
Speaker 2: that they're going to try and go bigger and better
Speaker 2: every year down there. So for twenty twenty seven, maybe
Speaker 2: we do see you know, seventy five eighty million guaranteed
Speaker 2: and getting as many people down there in some capacity
Speaker 2: is definitely a plus four, you know, ensuring they can
Speaker 2: hit that big guarantee. So you know, people are going
Speaker 2: to say, we saw a tweet I think from Eric
Speaker 2: Baldwin saying, you know this, this is not very interesting.
Speaker 2: We saw something from Michael Munchek, who's a big, you know,
Speaker 2: Player of the Year chaser, that you know, this is tough.
Speaker 2: This makes it a lot tougher when you add Europe.
Speaker 2: You know, this really does only suit five, six, seven,
Speaker 2: eight players now.
Speaker 1: Five I think it suits one. His name is Sean Deep.
Speaker 2: No overt SHONDI Gran.
Speaker 1: I think the thing is the thing is with Daniel.
Speaker 1: The thing is with Daniel is that it's it's just
Speaker 1: dependent on if he goes to Europe. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't I don't know if he's gonna go.
Speaker 2: Look the way he's been unattending our events. I think
Speaker 2: he's going to be basically only.
Speaker 1: Okay, but if you go back to the the another
Speaker 1: another r I P here, but the the w SP
Speaker 1: docu series but r I P. But you know, he
Speaker 1: talked in that about trying to have a kid and
Speaker 1: start a family and do all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 1: So like you know, when you're when you're moving to
Speaker 1: that stage of your life. I mean you and I
Speaker 1: know you can't just go gallivanting around Europe for a
Speaker 1: fucking week and a half, Like it's just hard. So
Speaker 1: you know, I think that you know where Sean Deep.
Speaker 1: You know, Shan Deep already has his kids like that,
Speaker 1: you know they're old, not not like super old, but
Speaker 1: you know they're older, and and the DOUBSIP is his thing,
Speaker 1: and he doesn't travel to other stuff or really play
Speaker 1: other stuff outside of DOUBISP events. You know, he's always
Speaker 1: gone to Europe. So now, you know, I think that
Speaker 1: this really just does benefit Sean Deep. And these tournaments
Speaker 1: for WSP Europe that we talked about. You know, maybe
Speaker 1: the stuff in the Bahamas is a little bit pricey
Speaker 1: for Sean Deep just because you know, not that he
Speaker 1: can't compete in those fields. I certainly think he can.
Speaker 1: I've just kind of wondered why he hasn't played all
Speaker 1: the super big buy and stuff, you know, but he's
Speaker 1: going to kind of value hunt, I guess. And you
Speaker 1: know he skipped some of the bigger stuff in the
Speaker 1: in the ws AP uh you know, areas you know
Speaker 1: in recent years, but the WAP Europe stuff, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is shandeb b all over it, right, So I
Speaker 1: think it certainly favors him.
Speaker 2: He's obviously the the the number one favorite. You know,
Speaker 2: you do have to still throw in, you still have
Speaker 2: to mention the grand You have to mention Benny Glaza.
Speaker 2: You know, you could mention Phil Sternheimer. You could throw
Speaker 2: in you know, Steven Shouldwick possibly you know Seth Davies,
Speaker 2: those kind of names. So yeah, it does shrink the list,
Speaker 2: you know, quite significantly when it comes to Player of
Speaker 2: the Year. And look, maybe they should have just kept
Speaker 2: it serious specific or add a few more. Remember that year,
Speaker 2: that one of the last years at the Rio where
Speaker 2: they did like the Velo no limit hold the Player
Speaker 2: of the Year, they did like the Midsteaks. You can
Speaker 2: still do a lot of that stuff, I think, adding
Speaker 2: you know, we see it on the PGT People love leaderboards,
Speaker 2: people love chasing trophies that aren't directly tied to winning
Speaker 2: a tournament. So you could add a bunch of this
Speaker 2: and really gamify, you know, everything with the World Series.
Speaker 2: You could have the leader boards at different different buying levels,
Speaker 2: different games, different stops. You could do a lot of
Speaker 2: different things to really you know, and still spend the
Speaker 2: same amount of money, just you know, split the prizes up.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe you're reserving those two extra big one
Speaker 2: hundred k ones for and you split them up and
Speaker 2: do them for the no limit leader boards and the
Speaker 2: midstakes and stuff. But either way that they've given out
Speaker 2: a million dollars to play, as you kind of really
Speaker 2: complain about free money.
Speaker 1: And then also in the news release, we did see
Speaker 1: it was down towards the bottom, but it's in there.
Speaker 1: The fifty seventh annual WSOP, so that's next year's WSOP.
Speaker 1: The dates were announced May twenty sixth through July fifteenth,
Speaker 1: and then WSP Paradise dates for twenty twenty six were
Speaker 1: also announced December first through eighteen. So for anyone out
Speaker 1: there listening who likes to plan well in advance, obviously
Speaker 1: you two, mister PGT Commissioner, those dates are out.
Speaker 2: So if I have been funny that everyone was like
Speaker 2: so ecstatic about WSP Vegas dates. They're the same every year, yeah,
Speaker 2: but everyone you know how people they just.
Speaker 1: Want to see it in paper. They want to see
Speaker 1: it announced, like you know, like that's just it's the
Speaker 1: same with the schedule. Like the schedule is if you're
Speaker 1: coming out to Vegas, if you're like a professional player,
Speaker 1: somebody's going to put in a high volume. I mean,
Speaker 1: the schedule is going to be largely the same. Maybe
Speaker 1: there's like maybe the Monster Stack is like shifted a
Speaker 1: week or two like here or there. But if again,
Speaker 1: if you're somebody who's coming out for the full six
Speaker 1: to seven weeks, what do you care what the actual
Speaker 1: schedule is. But like people just want to see it
Speaker 1: in print, Like just save up your three hundred k
Speaker 1: or whatever the hell you need in buy ins, book
Speaker 1: your airbnb, and then let's go. Cause it's like the
Speaker 1: schedule is going to be there, you know, like that
Speaker 1: that's just how it is. You know, early July is
Speaker 1: gonna be theasp ma an event, Like you know that
Speaker 1: that's just how it is. So again, you might get
Speaker 1: some shifts here there and some stuff. You know, sometimes
Speaker 1: they might shift like one of those events that happened
Speaker 1: at the beginning of the series last year, they kind
Speaker 1: of put it towards the end, and then they put
Speaker 1: some at the end towards the beginning. Like maybe they
Speaker 1: do a little bit of that, but for the for
Speaker 1: the most part, the schedule is largely the same every
Speaker 1: single year. So so yeah, I just always think it's funny,
Speaker 1: like you as people kind of like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 1: it's out, it's out. It's out. Yeah, well it's out.
Speaker 1: And then I did just want to touch on uh
Speaker 1: cause again it's been a little bit over a year
Speaker 1: now since GG poker acquired the WSP and just some
Speaker 1: of the highlights that we've seen under GG Poker's ownership.
Speaker 1: You know, right now we've got the WSP plus app
Speaker 1: is in Las Vegas. It was used here last year.
Speaker 1: I personally thought that it was awesome other than the
Speaker 1: fact that the font size was astronomical, but other than that,
Speaker 1: it was good. And I think that's a decent win
Speaker 1: because you know, we know how hard it is to
Speaker 1: get anything kind of approved in a gaming space here
Speaker 1: in Nevada and here in the US it tends to
Speaker 1: be a nightmare, but gg poker in the WSP, we're
Speaker 1: able to get that done. So that's a big win.
Speaker 1: The WASP plus app. Now another thing you know that
Speaker 1: we didn't talk about, but it did come out. The
Speaker 1: twenty twenty six WSP circuit schedule is out. It's available
Speaker 1: on WASP dot com. But included in that news is
Speaker 1: that the WSP plus app is going to be fully
Speaker 1: utilized at WSP circuit stops in twenty twenty six. So
Speaker 1: that's pretty cool and another big step in the right direction.
Speaker 1: There you've got the super main event is, as I said,
Speaker 1: that thing is now a behemoth. It is a real force.
Speaker 1: It looks like it is here to stay. And if
Speaker 1: they keep putting resources behind it like they seem like
Speaker 1: they are, I mean, this thing could just continue to
Speaker 1: go up, up and up. So they got that also
Speaker 1: a change, and you know a lot of people were complaining.
Speaker 1: You know a lot of the more international players, traveling
Speaker 1: players are like, I don't want to go to Rosbodov
Speaker 1: for WSP Europe. I don't like it there, all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff. Well, WSB is moving WSP Europe out
Speaker 1: of Rosbudov, they put it in Prague, and they moved
Speaker 1: it to a different part of the year, and the
Speaker 1: schedule as of today looks pretty freaking awesome. And then
Speaker 1: also today announced they got a million dollars in prizes
Speaker 1: for the WSP Player of the ear Race. So you know,
Speaker 1: all those things have happened in about a year's time,
Speaker 1: just over a year's time now, you know, with Gigi's
Speaker 1: ownership of the w SP. So it's a brand that
Speaker 1: I think many would would agree was pretty stale and
Speaker 1: stagnant for quite some time. But it definitely looks like
Speaker 1: GG Poker is putting its fingerprints all over this thing
Speaker 1: and trying to improve it as much as possible and
Speaker 1: really just set it apart from everything else, as if
Speaker 1: it wasn't already set apart from everything else. I mean,
Speaker 1: I've always believed that, I've always said the WSB is
Speaker 1: the NFL of poker, and now with w or sorry,
Speaker 1: with GG Poker excuse me, you know, owning it and
Speaker 1: doing what they want to do with it, it just
Speaker 1: seems like there is no end in sight. So all
Speaker 1: that stuff has happened in a year, and who the
Speaker 1: heck knows where it's going to go from here, you
Speaker 1: know who else. Who knows what else they have, you know,
Speaker 1: coming down the pipeline. I would imagine many things. One
Speaker 1: of the things that I'm selfishly most interested in is
Speaker 1: like what they can do with the ws AP dot
Speaker 1: com online platform here in the stage, which I don't
Speaker 1: think that they've really touched it all.
Speaker 2: I can yeah, right, yeah, we.
Speaker 1: Don't know, like what's the contract with you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's eight eight poker that's currently operating at eating
Speaker 1: It's like, what's the deal there? But you know, eventually
Speaker 1: like that would be great to see. So we'll see
Speaker 1: if if stuff happens there. But that's obviously you know, TBD.
Speaker 1: But overall, I would say that I would have to
Speaker 1: give them an a on the on the first year
Speaker 1: under ownership. I don't see how you can.
Speaker 2: Agreed.
Speaker 1: Agreed, Wow, I get an agreed from Tim. There you go, man,
Speaker 1: in many words over there, all right, WPT World Championship
Speaker 1: that is happening right now here in Las Vegas. I
Speaker 1: guess a couple quick highlights you had. Eric Baldwin opened
Speaker 1: the series with a win in the eight hundred dollars
Speaker 1: buying million dollars guaranteed opening event or early event, or
Speaker 1: whatever the heck you want to call it. Baldwin taking
Speaker 1: home almost two one hundred and fifty thousand dollars for
Speaker 1: the win. There almost three thousand entries in that thing
Speaker 1: you had the WPT Prime Championship. It increased its field
Speaker 1: size by more than two hundred players. This tournament, to
Speaker 1: me and Tim and I are going to talk about
Speaker 1: it a little bit more in a second, but this
Speaker 1: tournament to me is for me personally, is the second
Speaker 1: best tournament in the world. That's what I'm gonna say.
Speaker 1: That's my tim. It had eight hundred and seventy six entries.
Speaker 1: Last year had nine, six hundred and seventy. There are
Speaker 1: six players remaining for the final table. They got to
Speaker 1: the final six. They're going to delay them for a
Speaker 1: little bit. They will play that final table on December twentieth.
Speaker 1: That will be live streamed, I believe, so you guys
Speaker 1: can watch it when that happens. Steven Song, who won
Speaker 1: this event once before, he finished eighteenth. Jeremy Becker, friend
Speaker 1: of the pod, shout out Jeremy, he got nineteenth. Both
Speaker 1: of them took fifty three thousand dollars. I didn't see
Speaker 1: how song busted, but I sure as hell saw how
Speaker 1: Jeremy busted. And it was not fun. Guy jammed the button,
Speaker 1: I believe. With Queen eight, Jeremy called big blind with
Speaker 1: Ace King and the guy flo up in eight and
Speaker 1: that was that. The WPT World Championship ten K main event.
Speaker 1: The numbers are in in terms of the field size.
Speaker 1: You had what was it, eighteen hundred and sixty five
Speaker 1: entries in this one, three starting flights in this tournament
Speaker 1: freeze out per flight, so you can be in for
Speaker 1: a max of three bullets. It's ten thousand, four hundred
Speaker 1: dollars on the buy in, something that I absolutely freaking
Speaker 1: hate with with WPT and wind do can you just
Speaker 1: make it ten k? Like can we just do that?
Speaker 1: Like what are we doing? Or it should be ten
Speaker 1: thousand plus six hundred, not this six, not this ninety
Speaker 1: or ten thy four hundred, and then only like ninety
Speaker 1: six or ninety one hundred goes into the prize bowl.
Speaker 1: It's just making it difficult for us. But that field
Speaker 1: size eighteen hundred and sixty five entries is down from
Speaker 1: last year five hundred and twenty six, which is a
Speaker 1: pretty big draw. I mean, obviously it dropped last year
Speaker 1: because they didn't have the guarantee, right, I mean this
Speaker 1: year it definitely seems like I mean, if I'm gonna say,
Speaker 1: there's the two biggest factors, one no guarantee and two
Speaker 1: ws be paradise, those have to be the two biggest factors.
Speaker 1: Like if you're like there's probably other factors, yes, but
Speaker 1: in terms of like a pie chart, I mean, what
Speaker 1: do you think.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could also throw in the the seats they
Speaker 2: were giving out last yea in the club WBT free roll.
Speaker 1: Oh true, true. I mean the lot of satellites were awesome,
Speaker 1: Like they gave out a ton of those, but but
Speaker 1: they had what one hundred or.
Speaker 2: Well there's one hundred. Yeah, there's a hundred seats given
Speaker 2: out in the in the frei roll.
Speaker 1: Knowing that, weren't they doing some stuff with the Mystery
Speaker 1: quest for the second chance.
Speaker 2: Drawing not to the same level. So if you're playing that,
Speaker 2: or you're on the fringe of playing the main event,
Speaker 2: hearing there's one hundred fish maybeing one of them winning
Speaker 2: a seat to get in, it does kind of swing,
Speaker 2: you know, swing you to potentially jumping in. So obviously
Speaker 2: you remove the hundred seats, maybe you remove another fifty
Speaker 2: players that were on the fence because of that. You know,
Speaker 2: it's it's a factor. It's a small one, but it's
Speaker 2: still a factor.
Speaker 1: Yeah about that mystery question. You know, I tried to
Speaker 1: fire a couple of flights.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe I'm just too much of an old
Speaker 1: man now who doesn't know what he's doing. But I
Speaker 1: got on to Club to PT Gold, I couldn't figure
Speaker 1: it out within five seconds and I gave up. So
Speaker 1: I was all for it.
Speaker 2: I was just I fired to the first two flights,
Speaker 2: and then I realized that not only did I have
Speaker 2: to survive the first the five percent of that flight,
Speaker 2: I then had to make the five percent of the
Speaker 2: next flight. When every field combines. It seemed very tough,
Speaker 2: so I gave up. I saw people in for eighteen bullets.
Speaker 2: It was like wt's version of the Superman I guess people.
Speaker 1: In the bargain basement version of the Superman events.
Speaker 2: So I could have easily gone down that road, and
Speaker 2: I pulled out very early. I didn't want to have
Speaker 2: anything to do with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm also kind of curious about what's gonna happen
Speaker 1: for like that piece of the WPT World Championship. You know,
Speaker 1: last year it was the big free role. This year
Speaker 1: it was Mystery Quest. So is it gonna be a
Speaker 1: third thing next year? Are they going to run back
Speaker 1: Mystery Quest?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: How does that all factor out? You know something I'm
Speaker 1: also just kind of interested in. But anyway, back to
Speaker 1: the WPT World Championship, that ten k main event field
Speaker 1: that did dip by five hundred and twenty six players,
Speaker 1: but still more than two point five million dollars up
Speaker 1: top for the winner. The top two hundred and thirty
Speaker 1: three places are going to make the money. There were
Speaker 1: seven hundred and thirty three players returning for today's Day two.
Speaker 1: Sam Laskuitz PGT regular bag the chip lead. No idea
Speaker 1: how he's doing right now, but the best vanilla poker
Speaker 1: tournament player in the world, I'm sure he's doing simply incredible.
Speaker 1: Hopefully he's not out there starting he fights with anyone,
Speaker 1: of course, you know, you never know, you never know
Speaker 1: who's going to start just throwing down more than eighteen
Speaker 1: point two million dollars in the prize pool for this one.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm just gonna ask you the question sir,
Speaker 1: are you starting to worry about this event declining? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean this is a big drop. This wasn't like
Speaker 1: fifty players.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know we keep hopping on WSB Paradise
Speaker 2: going bigger and better. Here it feels like WPT is
Speaker 2: going in a way the other way obviously when not falling.
Speaker 1: Let me just jump in and say that the other
Speaker 1: way for this ten came in because everything else is great,
Speaker 1: highlighted by the prime.
Speaker 2: They removed the guarantee, so that's one thing. But then
Speaker 2: the Club wt stuff's also gone down. You know, we
Speaker 2: have the ten million dollar free row obviously, so a
Speaker 2: lot of money given out this year with Club WBT,
Speaker 2: but just much five Yeah, just much harder to get.
Speaker 2: I think that has the factor that they're going down.
Speaker 2: So you know, it's an interesting time. Do they want
Speaker 2: to make any changes to this main event? I think
Speaker 2: a lot of people on Socialism saying no, it's great.
Speaker 2: You know, the one entry per flive is perfect, don't
Speaker 2: change it. Like you touched on a little earlier, maybe
Speaker 2: be the bigger man or the bigger tour. And you know,
Speaker 2: i'veset your dates just slightly just so you can capitalize
Speaker 2: on people traveling back, We've seen a lot of big
Speaker 2: names already on their way back. You know. We saw
Speaker 2: josh Ario tweet out something that he was landing in
Speaker 2: time for Day one Sea and his wife was going
Speaker 2: to basically hadn't seen him in two weeks, but was
Speaker 2: going to pick him up, drive him straight over to
Speaker 2: the wind so he could jump in on one Sea.
Speaker 2: He probably got to have a lot of other players
Speaker 2: like that coming back today, even after cashing. So if
Speaker 2: you had run the event over, say this upcoming weekend.
Speaker 2: You know, it's the very end of the series, I
Speaker 2: get it, but you do have that chance to capitalize
Speaker 2: on people coming from Bahamas. And look, Bahama's dates are
Speaker 2: out now you touch on December first, eighteenth. You know,
Speaker 2: that seems where they could potentially start planning around the
Speaker 2: main event. They're not going to know the main event
Speaker 2: days Paradise for a while, but they can kind of
Speaker 2: probably predict it and say, hey, look, you know, we're
Speaker 2: gonna assume it's going to be here, so let's push
Speaker 2: outs a little later so we can try and get
Speaker 2: more people and actually bring this back up you know,
Speaker 2: onto the you know, back to where it kind of
Speaker 2: was a couple of years ago.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's been a lot of talk about the
Speaker 1: value of this WPT World Championship event. I've talked with
Speaker 1: a lot of people about it. I'm starting to agree
Speaker 1: a bit more that this is right up there with
Speaker 1: the WSP main events. I did have a couple of
Speaker 1: people tell me that this was even better than the
Speaker 1: Spain event in terms of value, and if they could
Speaker 1: play one ten K in the world for the rest
Speaker 1: of their lives, they would play this one versus the
Speaker 1: w SPE main event. I don't think they're idiots. I
Speaker 1: don't think I can get there just yet, but I
Speaker 1: understand their point and some of their points are And
Speaker 1: this is again shout out producer rich Ryan. I know
Speaker 1: he's been on this take forever, but the w SPE
Speaker 1: main event structure in Las Vegas is almost too good
Speaker 1: in the sense that it's too hard for like a
Speaker 1: more recreational player to thrive. Not that you're not going
Speaker 1: to get the breakouts here and there, but on the whole,
Speaker 1: you know, once you're playing two hour levels for ten
Speaker 1: days straight, I mean, it's the like the cream is
Speaker 1: going to rise. That's just how it is. And the
Speaker 1: WPT World Championship structor is still a very very good structure.
Speaker 1: It's sixty minutes on day one, it goes to ninety
Speaker 1: minutes on day two, so that's still a very slow structure.
Speaker 1: But you know, you start a little bit shallower with
Speaker 1: two hundred big blinds. It's a little bit faster to
Speaker 1: start all that sort of stuff. So when a structure
Speaker 1: is a little bit faster and there's more variance involved,
Speaker 1: it's just going to allow lesser players to be able
Speaker 1: to kind of get lucky and win more, you know,
Speaker 1: so you have that aspect of things. Somebody else made
Speaker 1: the point to me that, you know, the WSP main
Speaker 1: event in Las Vegas is that one tournament where strictly
Speaker 1: cash game professionals will go out of their way to
Speaker 1: play where they won't play other ten ks. They won't
Speaker 1: They just don't bother with them. They they'd rather, you know,
Speaker 1: spend their week playing a cash game because you know,
Speaker 1: in order to like, you might play three four days
Speaker 1: in a tournament and like double your buying, So it's
Speaker 1: just not worth it to them. But the WSPE a
Speaker 1: event with the structure that's so good, it's much more
Speaker 1: like a cash game in terms of a format because
Speaker 1: it's just so long and extended, and the fact that
Speaker 1: you know you can win ten million dollars up top,
Speaker 1: you know you're going to get a lot of really
Speaker 1: good players that come out. Where I break from it
Speaker 1: is like again going back to what we talked about,
Speaker 1: like way back at the beginning of the pod, and
Speaker 1: I know we're running super long with this, but whatever.
Speaker 1: At least I didn't promise that it was going to
Speaker 1: be a short one. But uh, like, if somebody's going
Speaker 1: to play a ten k, if you're gonna save up
Speaker 1: and play a ten k, you're saving up to play
Speaker 1: the WSP main event and trying to like trying to
Speaker 1: get past that is very hard. So you're gonna have
Speaker 1: I don't know, two three thousand like dreamers and shot
Speaker 1: takers whatever the number is in that event, and I
Speaker 1: feel like that makes up for the fact that the
Speaker 1: WPT World Championship is a bit smaller. So so yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's it's I still think the WPT World Championship,
Speaker 1: this edition of it is elite. It's awesome. I would
Speaker 1: love for them to find some sort of way to
Speaker 1: bring back a guarantee, you know. I think that's I
Speaker 1: think that's the natural next step for this event, you know,
Speaker 1: because I just I don't know, I just fear that
Speaker 1: it's gonna kind of keep going the other way if
Speaker 1: what WSP is doing down in the Bahamas can continues
Speaker 1: to go their way, because it there are no signs
Speaker 1: that they're slowing down none whatsoever. So you know, you
Speaker 1: got to kind of fight with that if you're the WPT.
Speaker 1: So you know, part of it is what you said,
Speaker 1: adjusting the schedule so it works better in that sense,
Speaker 1: bringing back the guarantee, and I mean Tim and I
Speaker 1: thought it was crazy to begin with when they went
Speaker 1: to forty million, Like that was nuts, Like they didn't
Speaker 1: need to do that. You know, maybe just have twenty
Speaker 1: you know, maybe push to twenty five whatever, and that's
Speaker 1: kind of the guarantee, and that's it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: I also think that, you know, part of it is
Speaker 1: maybe they just really start to lean more into this Prime.
Speaker 1: I mean, this Prime is like the greatest fucking tournament.
Speaker 1: I mean it's so good and like it's now had
Speaker 1: a couple of years where it's run eleven hundred dollars
Speaker 1: buying five million dollars guarantee. I mean I would I
Speaker 1: would honestly, try and push that thing to ten million. Like,
Speaker 1: I think that's like if if WSP Paradise is going
Speaker 1: to go one way with these insane high rollers and
Speaker 1: endless bullets and all this sort of stuff, like, then
Speaker 1: go the other way, focus on prime and just try
Speaker 1: and attack like you know, the mid major types of play.
Speaker 2: Why not? Okay, going on that point, why don't we
Speaker 2: change the main event to a five K ten mil?
Speaker 2: We think the five k is a good price point here.
Speaker 2: We've talked about this a lot.
Speaker 1: My problem is, yeah, but like my problem with that,
Speaker 1: and I don't even know if it's my problem, but
Speaker 1: I would say that the problem that the WPT might
Speaker 1: have is that the WPT World Championship like that event.
Speaker 1: First of all, the fact that they're even at ten k,
Speaker 1: when that event used to came out yeah and made
Speaker 1: its name as a twenty five k, like, so yeah,
Speaker 1: I I just don't know if you diminish the WPD
Speaker 1: World Championship event brand by going to a five.
Speaker 2: K something, you could argue that it's already been, that's
Speaker 2: already happened when they jumped it to ten and when they.
Speaker 1: Remained Listen, I think, honestly it's pretty perfect the way
Speaker 1: it is right now. I app love it. You know,
Speaker 1: there's two things I don't like about it, Okay, three things.
Speaker 1: One the fact that it's ten point four. The two
Speaker 1: things that I'm about to say are kind of jokes.
Speaker 1: The fact that it's ten point four I think is ridiculous,
Speaker 1: but that's kind of a joking. Take two, I think
Speaker 1: the chips are outrageously bad. Okay, other than that the
Speaker 1: event is late. Now. The one thing that I actually
Speaker 1: think like really hurts them and that I don't like
Speaker 1: about it, it just doesn't have a guarantee, Like I
Speaker 1: think it has to have a guarantee, but I think
Speaker 1: the three starting flights freeze out per flight. The structure
Speaker 1: of it, you know, start I could honestly even argue
Speaker 1: maybe you go like forty sixty ninety with the structure,
Speaker 1: like you know, or like forty sixty seventy five like nineties,
Speaker 1: like I mean that's a lot, but anyway, or like
Speaker 1: sixty seventy five ninety something like that. But I think
Speaker 1: it's really really an elite event. It's also at an
Speaker 1: amazing venue right in my backyard, so I'm going to
Speaker 1: be partial to that. But the win is also an
Speaker 1: incredible venue they have in the ballroom space. It's just
Speaker 1: freaking amazing. The only problem with having in the ballin
Speaker 1: space is these people that want to order drinks. It's
Speaker 1: seventeen dollars for a glass of Chardenay. I heard that
Speaker 1: the other day when this lady ordered at my table,
Speaker 1: I was like, what in the world is going on?
Speaker 1: But anyway, I mean, the only thing that I think
Speaker 1: they need to do is like try and just find
Speaker 1: more satellite winners, So whether that's leveraging WPT Global Club,
Speaker 1: WPT Gold or the live ones that run in Las
Speaker 1: Vegas at the wind but then also bring in a guarantee,
Speaker 1: like reintroduce the guarantee and listen, honestly, maybe you just
Speaker 1: come in with fifteen million to start. Maybe you just
Speaker 1: kind of try and reset the whole damn thing. Fifteen
Speaker 1: million next year, you know, fifteen million plus we're guaranteeing
Speaker 1: five hundred satellite winners something like that, right, which I
Speaker 1: think you can get to. I mean, they probably have
Speaker 1: two hundred satellite winners just from the live satellites themselves,
Speaker 1: So going to five hundred when you have the two
Speaker 1: big online platforms, I don't think is too crazy, you know,
Speaker 1: And then and then maybe the next year, if it
Speaker 1: goes well, you bump that guarantee to twenty million, you know,
Speaker 1: and then you maybe maybe you go up to twenty five,
Speaker 1: et cetera, and you kind of grow it that way.
Speaker 1: But you know, other than that, I mean, I think
Speaker 1: that event is great. I just fear my fear because
Speaker 1: I love that event so much.
Speaker 2: Is that.
Speaker 1: Without the guarantee and again, with the direction that WSP
Speaker 1: Paradise is going, maybe we just start to see this
Speaker 1: trend that we don't want to see in this event
Speaker 1: just continues to lose one, two, three, four, five hundred
Speaker 1: players every single year. And that's just a bummer, right
Speaker 1: prime Is that that tournament is freaking awesome?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean.
Speaker 1: And I guess you and I can talk about that
Speaker 1: now we both cashed in it. Shout out to us.
Speaker 1: I absolutely positively f and blew it at the end.
Speaker 1: I just I just I tried to be a hero
Speaker 1: and I didn't need to be and I butchered it.
Speaker 1: And yeah, I screwed up big time. I would say
Speaker 1: that I was I played a plus in every single
Speaker 1: hand I played until my bust out hand and then
Speaker 1: my bust out hand was a fucking f minus. Okay,
Speaker 1: that like, it was just it was just stupid. And
Speaker 1: there's the biggest moment and I blew it and I'm
Speaker 1: mad at myself for it. But it is what it is.
Speaker 1: That's just I need to I don't know, I need
Speaker 1: to learn to get past it and I need to
Speaker 1: be able to fix my mistakes in the moment. But
Speaker 1: you know, that's that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I didn't blow anything. I was short, so
Speaker 2: my decision were pretty easy.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean you you listen, you send me some
Speaker 1: hand histories, you blow it.
Speaker 2: A lot, okay, like wait, which event was that? Anything?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 2: That was the six hundred.
Speaker 1: But you send me but you like, can you just
Speaker 1: play to win? For the love of God? Like, holy hell?
Speaker 1: Do you ever bluff? Like I mean, I say, I
Speaker 1: say that Buffand which bluff suited?
Speaker 2: Oh, I've never done anything. So four of the five suited.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: It wasn't it like button versus big blind like this
Speaker 1: a small blind whatever?
Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I mean we were both in for two bullets.
Speaker 2: I made one page jump, he made several.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I cast two hundred and fourteenth place out of nine thousand,
Speaker 1: eight hundred and seventy six.
Speaker 2: Eight, twenty seventh or something.
Speaker 1: I think I hadn't. I had a really really good
Speaker 1: day one I fired two bullets. As you said, I
Speaker 1: also like the setup with this. It's a it's an
Speaker 1: eleven hundred dollars buying But again I also hate the
Speaker 1: fact that it's like nine to sixty goes on the price.
Speaker 1: What are we doing here? But anyway, it's eleven hundred
Speaker 1: dollars buy in, it's four starting flights, and it's maximum
Speaker 1: two entries per flight, which I think is incredible. Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, eighty eight hundred dollars all in, if you
Speaker 1: fire all bullets is still you know, a good chunk
Speaker 1: of money. But that's not like unattainable, Like that's like,
Speaker 1: you know, if you're if you're if you're a if
Speaker 1: you're kind of you know and around between five hundred
Speaker 1: and one case, and that's kind of your your average
Speaker 1: buy in like to be able to to sell a
Speaker 1: little bit of action or whatever and get in, get
Speaker 1: in there if you have to fire max. Just because
Speaker 1: this tournament is so good, I think it's just so
Speaker 1: worth it. I love the structure of the thing. I
Speaker 1: think it's great. I really do so you know.
Speaker 2: My my only gripe I think is you know a
Speaker 2: lot of these win events, this this series starting at
Speaker 2: eleven am. These are going very late one thirty am.
Speaker 2: Obviously the restart on date.
Speaker 1: You know, if you beat mine didn't go late.
Speaker 2: He was, yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: I was the earliest one.
Speaker 2: Was the early one. Everyone else was late. I played.
Speaker 1: We didn't even have to play hand for hand. They
Speaker 1: started announcing it and then everyone's you guys.
Speaker 2: I was one day we finished at say one thirty
Speaker 2: I think in the morning, and then we had to
Speaker 2: be back by you know, eleven, I think there's you know,
Speaker 2: we're playing down at twelve and a half percent. I'm wondering,
Speaker 2: you know, if they that's a long day. I wonder
Speaker 2: if we can feel like we can shrink. Obviously there's
Speaker 2: a dinner break.
Speaker 1: Okay, First of all, the same week dinner breaks start
Speaker 1: the fucking hashtag print the T shirts. I don't feel like,
Speaker 1: can we stop with this nonsense with the goddamn dinner breaks.
Speaker 2: It's outrageous.
Speaker 1: It's outrageous. The second thing that I would probably entertain
Speaker 1: doing with this event, I might pay fifteen percent, yeah,
Speaker 1: and just figure it out, because.
Speaker 2: Nine they're not going to get that big number, even
Speaker 2: that two and a half percent, you boss, you know
Speaker 2: they're going to jump in say you might not get nine,
Speaker 2: you might only get nine thousand instead of ninety eight hundred.
Speaker 1: Well, could you could you steal the piece of the
Speaker 1: WSP playbook and cash fifteen twelve and a half percent
Speaker 1: make the next day so you can multi Yeah? Just
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just throwing ideas out there, you know, like.
Speaker 2: I would even know if anything I would prefer.
Speaker 1: A part of the part of the day went. Part
Speaker 1: of the issue that leads to longer day ones is
Speaker 1: that when an event like WPT Prime has success and
Speaker 1: becomes such an important, prominent tournament for people, they want
Speaker 1: to cash it, they want to do well in it,
Speaker 1: which then slows things down as you get to the bubble,
Speaker 1: right like like it's kind of this weird thing where
Speaker 1: like the event is doing so well that it becomes
Speaker 1: so important for people to want to get into the
Speaker 1: money to be like, yeah, I cashed Prime. I cashed Prime.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 1: A lot of the conversation, a lot of the conversation
Speaker 1: at the tables is like, oh, how'd you do in Prime?
Speaker 1: How'd you do in Prime, like it's the WPT ten
Speaker 1: K World Championship main event, and then it's Prime like
Speaker 1: and it's like, how do you do prime? How do
Speaker 1: you do Prime? Like that's what the conversation is. Like
Speaker 1: the event has gotten so good in terms of like
Speaker 1: brand power that people want to cash this thing, which
Speaker 1: then you get to the bubble and it's like everyone's
Speaker 1: just locking down because they want to cash this one
Speaker 1: K where it's like, you know, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, it's like it is just a one K,
Speaker 1: you know, but it's it's gotten to be this this
Speaker 1: insanely big, prestigious one K that everyone wants to do
Speaker 1: well in it. So like, yeah, it slows things down.
Speaker 1: And also the fact that I think that like I
Speaker 1: mean it is eight bullets, yes, but it's still limited,
Speaker 1: like it's cap it's not just unlimited, so like people
Speaker 1: know like okay, like maybe I only brought four bullets,
Speaker 1: like I'm on my third, like I want to make
Speaker 1: it happen, So they just they just kind of tend
Speaker 1: to slow things down. Yeah, but you know, overall, I
Speaker 1: think again, I think this event is just absolutely great.
Speaker 2: I think it's you know, definitely an event like it's
Speaker 2: an event you have to put on your schedule that
Speaker 2: you can't miss, you know, whether it's your you're doing
Speaker 2: one bullet, you know. I went in planning just to
Speaker 2: play one bullet. You were like, no, you have to
Speaker 2: play two. So I put in a second.
Speaker 1: You have to play fucking eight. Okay, Like the event
Speaker 1: is too goes dude, how many times? How many tournaments
Speaker 1: in the world can you put in one K and
Speaker 1: win more than a million dollars? Yes, but I, I mean, honestly,
Speaker 1: do not have.
Speaker 2: Eight bullets to my name when it comes to pocast.
Speaker 1: Sell some action, but yeah, it's as bad as you
Speaker 1: play still, buy ten whatever, and you will text me
Speaker 1: all the hands and I will tell you you're a
Speaker 1: fucking idiot, and he's unbelievable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you kind of missed this event at all.
Speaker 2: And then we both cashed the six hundred.
Speaker 1: And then we both cast the six hundred as well.
Speaker 1: You said the bar I decided to blow you out
Speaker 1: of the water once again.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: And then I tried to win the tournament early on
Speaker 1: day two, and I did not win the tournament early
Speaker 1: on day two.
Speaker 2: I think we probably I didn't know how much you
Speaker 2: cashed for we might have cashed for the same amount though, even.
Speaker 1: Though thirteen seventeen.
Speaker 2: Oh I no, I made the next jump thirteen.
Speaker 1: Welly, lucky you, lucky you for.
Speaker 2: Thirty five dollars. I feel rich.
Speaker 1: I mean I I I played a huge I tried.
Speaker 1: I played at one point one million ship pot. I
Speaker 1: mean it's like, you know, I might have been up
Speaker 1: there with the chip leaders. I for sure would have
Speaker 1: been up there with the chip I don't know if
Speaker 1: I would have been the chip leader if I won
Speaker 1: the hand, but yeah, it was that was a sick
Speaker 1: one to lose. And even though the guy called in
Speaker 1: the turn called my jam, I mean I had seventeen out,
Speaker 1: so it was like whatever. But yeah, you know, one
Speaker 1: day i' hit a seventeen outer and then actually like
Speaker 1: run deep in a tournament.
Speaker 2: But that that was also in a pretty incredible event too.
Speaker 1: Size Yeah what you you played Day one A. It
Speaker 1: had two starting flights, So this was a six hundred
Speaker 1: dollars buy in two hundred and fifty K guarantee with
Speaker 1: two starting flights. Yeah, Tim's flight had five hundred and
Speaker 1: like fifty or five hundred and sixty entries. Mine had
Speaker 1: like eight seventy. Yeah, I mean they blew this two
Speaker 1: hundred fifty dollars guarantee out of the water and fifty
Speaker 1: K guarantee out of the water.
Speaker 2: One hundred and fifteen k for first. The guy that
Speaker 2: won was the guy that knocked me out, and we
Speaker 2: both commented on the level of playing this six hundred
Speaker 2: was I'm interesting watching.
Speaker 1: It's interesting watching. I mean I told you how I
Speaker 1: got all my chips.
Speaker 2: I mean it was I know, it was just it
Speaker 2: was wild and wild.
Speaker 1: I mean I didn't like, I didn't have to do
Speaker 1: too much, but it was. It was definitely it was
Speaker 1: a lot of crazy. I mean there's a lot of
Speaker 1: craziness happening in this entire series, even the prime. The
Speaker 1: prime is just like, I don't even know what people
Speaker 1: are doing. But yeah, anyway, good stuff. There's still a
Speaker 1: lot more poker to go. There's you know, there's an
Speaker 1: eleven dollars two million dollar guarantee that started today at
Speaker 1: the win. You know, they got a three I think
Speaker 1: it's a three K three million dollar guarantee. I mean
Speaker 1: it's just like it's just NonStop. Venetian's got a whole
Speaker 1: ton of stuff going on. So yeah, It's just the
Speaker 1: whole thing is just uh wild. It really is just
Speaker 1: just a wild. Do you want to do card rankings
Speaker 1: or you want to do community cards?
Speaker 2: Do community cause? Is that ties in with what we
Speaker 2: just discussed?
Speaker 1: I think, all right, cool, so let's do community cards.
Speaker 1: You got a jingle, right, yeah, holiday season, we got
Speaker 1: to play the jingle, So let's go play the jingle.
Speaker 2: And let's go.
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Speaker 1: All right, what do you got for me? Don't even
Speaker 1: know what this is?
Speaker 2: Yeah, you do. Day one day at Prime, I'm sitting
Speaker 2: over in the corner the ballroom. I see for Go podcasts.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, look, poker Focus. His table breaks, My
Speaker 2: table breaks. I end up drawing his table, you know,
Speaker 2: over in the other side of the ballroom, and you know,
Speaker 2: normally I have a mustache and I have long hair.
Speaker 2: You know, I don't have the mustache right now, so
Speaker 2: I look a little differently, and I had glasses on
Speaker 2: when I was playing. I sat next to him. He
Speaker 2: looked at me. I said, nice heart, and he says,
Speaker 2: thank you. I don't think you realized who I was.
Speaker 2: And then a little bit later he says, you know,
Speaker 2: kind of strikes up a conversation with me. So we're chatting.
Speaker 2: He's wearing the podcast hat. He's got like six big
Speaker 2: but he's grinding six big blinds. We're like sixty from
Speaker 2: the money in the prime. On day one day, he
Speaker 2: ends up. You know, we talked about the hat. He's
Speaker 2: you know, he had all the hats. You know, I'm saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: we've got some new stuff hopefully coming out next year,
Speaker 2: blah blah, Like I said, six big bines. He takes
Speaker 2: the hat off. I noticed this, I'm saying. He takes
Speaker 2: the hat off, puts in his bag, He gets a
Speaker 2: shove through, gets another shove through, gets a double up.
Speaker 2: He ends up bagging more than me. And you know
Speaker 2: I was telling you how I was playing with him.
Speaker 2: I saw him the next day and when we were
Speaker 2: both kind of waiting for day two. He wasn't wearing
Speaker 2: the hat and we walked past, and I'm kind to
Speaker 2: make a comment, Hey, you know this is the pucket.
Speaker 2: He goes, yeah, he took off his hat and he
Speaker 2: started winning every hand and he goes, oh, I was
Speaker 2: hoping he didn't notice that, and he goes, oh, I
Speaker 2: noticed that. But yeah, shout out spin. I think it's
Speaker 2: Spen Peterson. He ended up finishing four hundredth in prime
Speaker 2: for like three and a half k outlasted last you.
Speaker 1: That's all that matters. I'll yeah, yeah, he'll last me.
Speaker 1: But good on spin, How last did you? Because he
Speaker 1: actually played hands.
Speaker 2: And then I saw him in the six hundred on
Speaker 2: one A. He did not bag chips that day, but yeah,
Speaker 2: shout out to him for wearing the podcast. How saying hi?
Speaker 2: I had another person sayalo as well, Yeah, keep wearing
Speaker 2: the keep repping the puck podcast has not anything for me,
Speaker 2: but it seems to do some stuff for other people
Speaker 2: out there.
Speaker 1: Okay, okay, shout out Spen. All right, next up, let's
Speaker 1: do let's do card rankings. Okay, so the reason why
Speaker 1: I wanted to do this one. You love your fucking
Speaker 1: rankings things. Two. I've been having a lot of conversations
Speaker 1: about these cards that the win uses during the WBT
Speaker 1: World Championship Series. They are the Faded Spade f SX cards.
Speaker 1: I believe it is what they are, and I personally
Speaker 1: think they are the best playing cards in poker.
Speaker 2: Great.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's really close. I love them. I
Speaker 1: feel like I've had at least a dozen dealers comment
Speaker 1: about how they hate the cards. I don't really know
Speaker 1: what other players are saying, but I think they are
Speaker 1: so good, so so good. What do you think? Sorry,
Speaker 1: I had to get over. I had to reach over
Speaker 1: because I actually had to grab a pack.
Speaker 2: How do you have a pack?
Speaker 1: Unbelievable because I'm pretty sure. I went to the website
Speaker 1: fucking Fadedspade dot com, which everyone can do that too,
Speaker 1: you know, no free ads, but free ad shout out
Speaker 1: Tom Wheaton, and I bought them. Look Queen four, just
Speaker 1: like Phil Helmy Queen four.
Speaker 2: The reason I like these cards They feel really nice
Speaker 2: on the hands, that's great, but I like the way
Speaker 2: the crispness of the letters and the numbers when you
Speaker 2: when you squeeze them.
Speaker 1: So the index on the cards look, I got a
Speaker 1: couple of kings right here. The index on the card
Speaker 1: is is it's slightly larger then than you normally see
Speaker 1: with like the copags or the bicycles or whatever that
Speaker 1: like are commonly played with, but it's also not so
Speaker 1: large that it's jumbo index if I have to look
Speaker 1: at another damn jumbo index card. When I sat down
Speaker 1: at the napt Las Vegas in my first tournament and
Speaker 1: I fucking looked at my first hand and I was
Speaker 1: did not remember that they use jumbo cards at resorts,
Speaker 1: I wanted to flip the table over.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 1: It is outrageous to use jumbo cards in a poker
Speaker 1: tournament that is not a three hundred dollars buying seven
Speaker 1: cards stud event. I'm sorry, like that that's just how
Speaker 1: it has to be.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 1: But these are slightly larger, which I think that they're great.
Speaker 1: They're actually kind of like I don't know if like
Speaker 1: I don't know if this will come through on the video,
Speaker 1: but like they're kind of like they're narrow, so they
Speaker 1: squeeze nicely. The card itself is nice and freaking firm,
Speaker 1: like they don't really bend at all. Like I just
Speaker 1: love them Now, I will say that I'm not a dealer.
Speaker 1: I'm not in the box pitching these all day and
Speaker 1: having to shuffle them and whatever. They are pretty slippery,
Speaker 1: which is probably some of the issues that the dealers
Speaker 1: have with them. But I think these cards are the
Speaker 1: freaking best. So these are my number one. But I
Speaker 1: also don't think. I don't think Win uses these all year.
Speaker 1: I think they only use them for the WPT World Championship.
Speaker 1: I think as a partnership with Fated Space.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't play enough at the wind too.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure that they don't. They don't because yeah,
Speaker 1: so what's is this your number one?
Speaker 3: Two?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 2: Hands down? Uh? It's I mean we need.
Speaker 1: I'm fucking texting Tom Wheaton after this, the owner and
Speaker 1: founder of Face. But I'm like you, we need a
Speaker 1: promo code because we are talking the world out of
Speaker 1: your freaking cards.
Speaker 2: Man. You know you talk about the nap T cards
Speaker 2: with the bigger faces. They don't bother me as much
Speaker 2: for two reasons. One I used as you play like
Speaker 2: an old man. No, I understand them, like I used
Speaker 2: to play a lot of makes, so I've seen the
Speaker 2: bigger cause they have above me. But back home in Australia.
Speaker 2: That's why we use at Crown. So I grew up
Speaker 2: with you know, if you get your probably remember from
Speaker 2: when you were there. I grew up with those bigger cads,
Speaker 2: so I liked them when I came to When I
Speaker 2: came to America in two thousand and seven and played
Speaker 2: you know, at Harris but the Mirage, and I saw
Speaker 2: these little CODs, I thought I was gonna blind. So
Speaker 2: I don't. They don't bother me as much as they
Speaker 2: bother you shout out second on the rankings, I feel
Speaker 2: either the CODs of the Venetian, I'm not sure what
Speaker 2: they are exactly, but I'm a.
Speaker 1: I don't know what those cards are. I should actually
Speaker 1: ask Tommy l Rosa. I have them as my number three.
Speaker 2: Oh god, what could be number two?
Speaker 1: Number two?
Speaker 2: Is gonna say?
Speaker 1: Number number one is obvious. Number two to me is obvious.
Speaker 2: Okay, what's the number two?
Speaker 1: Then the w SP copad cards, yeah, okay, those are elite.
Speaker 1: They are elite.
Speaker 2: I just don't use them that much.
Speaker 1: So I mean they're like they're also like they're perfect sizing.
Speaker 1: They're not too small, they're certainly not too big, like
Speaker 1: I like the way that the indexes look like.
Speaker 2: You know. Look, the only downside with those is sometimes
Speaker 2: you find you know, this year we were playing with
Speaker 2: WSB twenty twenty four decks.
Speaker 1: Who cares.
Speaker 2: I'm just we're gonna have a con. That's the con.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I love the WSB Cope cards, so
Speaker 1: those are my my number two. And then the Venetian cards,
Speaker 1: which I don't I thought it was faded Spade, but
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's faded spade, like they might
Speaker 1: use faded spade, they might use faded spade ones in
Speaker 1: the streaming room. And when I've done commentary, I've noticed
Speaker 1: that the faded spade. But yeah, I gotta figure out
Speaker 1: what cards Venetian uses. We should we should?
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm trying to look if I have a picture
Speaker 2: of the cards. I do, but yeah, it doesn't really
Speaker 2: say anything on it. But yeah, those cards in uster.
Speaker 1: And then I'm not sure there is another like everything
Speaker 1: then it's everything else is like what I have, like
Speaker 1: literally everything else.
Speaker 2: You know, you know what's on the A very low card.
Speaker 2: I have to put it very low on the list,
Speaker 2: the south Point card. I haven't played there in a
Speaker 2: long time.
Speaker 1: Haven't played there in a while either, so I don't
Speaker 1: even know.
Speaker 2: It's much hot a to squeeze. So they lose, they
Speaker 2: lose a few points for their thickness.
Speaker 1: I mean, anything that uses jumbo is just immediately like
Speaker 1: you're at the bottom of the list. Does I've never
Speaker 1: played like cash at Resorts World? Do they use those
Speaker 1: cards like all the time? They're just the worst?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't think they do. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's just the pokusars event.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know, but those you just can't can't
Speaker 1: use those cards. So yeah, those are our card rankings.
Speaker 1: I love the Faded Spade f SX cards. I love
Speaker 1: the Kopak wsp cards.
Speaker 2: You know what the next rankings we have to do?
Speaker 1: You're I was gonna say, I was going to say
Speaker 1: the same sort of thing. So I'm wondering if you're
Speaker 1: going to say the same thing that I am.
Speaker 2: Should be Vegas chipset.
Speaker 1: Ranked boom, so exactly what I was going to say.
Speaker 2: Because you know, ve Nation has multiple chip stacks, Wind
Speaker 2: has multiple ship sets yea.
Speaker 1: And the World Championship at the bottom. That's I think
Speaker 1: the bottom of it.
Speaker 2: I don't think they can't.
Speaker 1: I think you have to use, like, no, those chips
Speaker 1: are just they're so there's there's.
Speaker 2: Well, then we have to include all the w s
Speaker 2: Pation standard chip sets because the set were used in
Speaker 2: the six hundred for WS for the the Win. I
Speaker 2: don't like those because the the five hundreds of thousands
Speaker 2: or whatever it is of the same color.
Speaker 1: I used to set in the eleven hundred dollars Mega satellite,
Speaker 1: Milestone satellite, whatever the hell it is at the wind
Speaker 1: the other day that I've never used before ever, I've
Speaker 1: never even seen. And those are pretty good. They are
Speaker 1: worlds better than whatever they use in the Prime and
Speaker 1: the WPT World Championship. My biggest issue with the ones
Speaker 1: that are used in the Prime and the WT World
Speaker 1: Championship is like the brand person, the marketing person in
Speaker 1: me is the printing on them. It's blurry yea like?
Speaker 1: How like if I were to have purchased them and
Speaker 1: got those, I would have immediately sent them back and
Speaker 1: been like, no, redo these chips, What the hell is this?
Speaker 1: I want crisp lettering, Like, come on them.
Speaker 2: They don't have to pay for the full thing, so
Speaker 2: that does help.
Speaker 1: Well, I don't care. Come on, what is the win
Speaker 1: is elite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the wind normal set is elate.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the wind normal set is elite.
Speaker 2: The Venetian colors the Venetian the colors of the chips
Speaker 2: very good.
Speaker 1: Well, the colors of the Venetian cash game chips.
Speaker 2: Are no, we're not.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so well we should give some thoughts to that
Speaker 1: and then we'll talk about that ranking on the We.
Speaker 2: Need accompanying pitches though, figure that out. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 2: we probably have enough pitches on our phone. Yeah, we
Speaker 2: can find it on social He's got a lot of
Speaker 2: good chip sets too. Well, that should be a separate
Speaker 2: it's separate ranking that should be ranked. We took photos
Speaker 2: of all of them this year and there was like
Speaker 2: thirty eight differ and chips, so like that's its arm rank.
Speaker 1: I will say that the ones in Paradise have They've
Speaker 1: been growing on me. I don't like, I don't know
Speaker 1: how they feel. I don't know how they look up close,
Speaker 1: but I'm starting to really dig them looking at the
Speaker 1: streams and sad and I also think they fit the vibe,
Speaker 1: you know, they look they look like you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be in the Bahamas. So yeah, that's good. We also
Speaker 1: want to hit on a family pot because of course,
Speaker 1: why not. It's holiday season. Sure, so let's play the
Speaker 1: music for that one, and then we'll come on back
Speaker 1: and we'll give a family pot.
Speaker 2: It's time for.
Speaker 1: Family, all right. So I had my whole Bravo con
Speaker 1: situation that I talked about, you know, the whole twenty
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars. I don't know if you can see this,
Speaker 1: but here my lover Boy hat. This is a twenty
Speaker 1: five hundred Bravo Con hat. This is my my uh my,
Speaker 1: you pay twenty well no, but my my wife went
Speaker 1: to the event and you know, obviously paid twenty five
Speaker 1: hundred dollars, but she brought me this hat. So I
Speaker 1: feel like I won.
Speaker 2: Boy.
Speaker 1: Kyle from Summerhouse has.
Speaker 2: A brand, like I'm supposed to know that name.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just talking to the people. Kyle from Summerhouse
Speaker 1: has a brand. It's like a I don't even know,
Speaker 1: Like I don't even know what to call them. Lover boy,
Speaker 1: it's like an alcoholic drink.
Speaker 2: It's like a truly got it.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I'm repping the band brand right here,
Speaker 1: lover boy. It's amazing. When I was in line the
Speaker 1: other day to register for an event at the wind.
Speaker 1: The woman was like, love your hat. I said, oh
Speaker 1: you're you're a fan. She's like, oh yeah, I know
Speaker 1: exactly what that is. I was like, perfect, I'm in there,
Speaker 1: let's go. Basically, this cost me twenty five hundred dollars.
Speaker 1: All right, So my family pot involves a little family
Speaker 1: trip out to Enchant, which is at the Las Vegas Ballpark.
Speaker 1: Here in Vegas. We try and go, I think every
Speaker 1: single year. My wife just texted me because she's upstairs working,
Speaker 1: and she said, it's a seltzer. That's the word that
Speaker 1: I couldn't think of lovably. So anyway, I've never had one. Though,
Speaker 1: I have no idea if they're good or not, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna take everyone's word for it and say that
Speaker 1: they're decent. So anyway, we go to in Chant the
Speaker 1: other night my parents are in town and make a
Speaker 1: whole thing out of it. Bring the kids, blah blah
Speaker 1: blah whatever. They turned the whole Las Vegas Ballpark into
Speaker 1: basically a giant Christmas village. They got trees, lights, The
Speaker 1: sole center part of the ballpark is it's a it's
Speaker 1: a maze, you know, holiday vibes are going. They got
Speaker 1: shops all around they got food games, you know, the
Speaker 1: whole thing. This year they had a new giant slide thing,
Speaker 1: a tube slide, which was yeah, multiple stories. You know,
Speaker 1: you get on a tube, you go down, it's like
Speaker 1: snow and ice mostly ice whatever. Cool. Fine, my daughter
Speaker 1: really wanted to go on it. She locks in working
Speaker 1: to go great. I'm like, I'll take her, fine, whatever.
Speaker 1: So I'm also just gonna say that I already know
Speaker 1: what people are gonna say about this story, about this
Speaker 1: version of family pot but I'm just gonna say upfront
Speaker 1: that it's completely on me for ignoring my parental instincts. Okay,
Speaker 1: that is that. You know, I listened to a four
Speaker 1: and a half year old. I should not have done
Speaker 1: that as a forty one year old man. But here
Speaker 1: I am. So that said, I will not continue. We
Speaker 1: do the whole ticket thing, We get in line, the
Speaker 1: line's like, you know, winding around the whole thing whatever.
Speaker 1: It's like looking like, okay, we're gonna be here ten fifteen,
Speaker 1: maybe twenty minutes whatever. Five minutes in she starts like
Speaker 1: doing the wiggle. We all know, the freaking wiggle. I
Speaker 1: know she has to go.
Speaker 2: To the bathroom.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, you have to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: She says yes. I'm like, okay, we have to get
Speaker 1: out of line, obviously, go to the bathroom. She doesn't
Speaker 1: want to get on a line because she wants to
Speaker 1: go on the slide. I'm like, well, why don't we
Speaker 1: just go to the bathroom, we'll come back, we'll wait again, whatever.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to get out. She's adamant that she'll
Speaker 1: be fine, and again she's four and a half. This
Speaker 1: is where I screwed up because I just said, no,
Speaker 1: we're just going to the bathroom. We don't go to
Speaker 1: the bathroom. I can't believe it, but I actually trusted
Speaker 1: her judgment in this situation, and my kind of my
Speaker 1: thought process was like, well, maybe i'll just wait like
Speaker 1: a couple of minutes and see if she gets better.
Speaker 1: Two three minutes later, whatever the heck, she's like wiggling again.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, we got to go to the bathroom.
Speaker 1: So now I'm just now I'm like, okay, we're going
Speaker 1: to the bathroom, like end of story. But she doesn't
Speaker 1: want to go. She starts kind of throwing a little fit.
Speaker 1: She doesn't want to go. She's like, no, I'll be fine,
Speaker 1: I'll be fine. I'll be fine, and she stops the wiggling.
Speaker 1: She's just standing there. I'm like, okay, maybe I'll give
Speaker 1: her another three to five minutes and whatever. And of
Speaker 1: course I'm in my head, I'm like, well, we're wasting
Speaker 1: ten minutes in the line. We're gonna have to get
Speaker 1: out go to the bathroom eventually, and then we're gonna
Speaker 1: have to come back and wait back in the line.
Speaker 1: So it's just kind of the whole thing's just annoying
Speaker 1: to me already anyway. Whatever, So I'm like, all right, well,
Speaker 1: let's just see how things play out. We go through
Speaker 1: the whole line. She's good the rest of the way,
Speaker 1: no more wiggling. She doesn't bring up a to go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom. She can tell. She's like getting excited
Speaker 1: to go on the slides. Cool, you get a wristband,
Speaker 1: you get three slides with the ticket. So she doesn't
Speaker 1: know you get three slides with the ticket. I do.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, okay, we'll go once and then I'll
Speaker 1: go to the bathroom and maybe she'll be done with
Speaker 1: the slides. Maybe she won't, but we'll see how the
Speaker 1: first one goes. Worst case, we have to like go
Speaker 1: to the bathroom and then come back and finish our
Speaker 1: two more. If we don't, then you know, I only
Speaker 1: went once, I paid for three times. Who cares, I'll
Speaker 1: burn twenty bucks. It's not the end of the world. Again,
Speaker 1: I'm feeling good. I just made some money back with
Speaker 1: this twenty five hundred oars hat so gravy in my life. Also,
Speaker 1: like this tube slide thing is like everyone goes by themselves,
Speaker 1: like all the kids go by themselves. So she's got
Speaker 1: to go by herself. So there's a chance she might
Speaker 1: just like freak out, get completely scared, and then never
Speaker 1: want to go on it again. So whatever. We get
Speaker 1: up to the top, you got to climb up like
Speaker 1: three flights of stairs. You get to the top platform,
Speaker 1: I put her in her tube, I push her down,
Speaker 1: I go down, boom, everything's cool. She's like she was
Speaker 1: both at the bottom like I'm scared. I was scared,
Speaker 1: but I liked it. She wanted to go again, like okay, fine,
Speaker 1: no incidence with the bathroom. I'm like, okay, I think
Speaker 1: we're in the clear. Fine, back up the stairs we go.
Speaker 1: We got our tubes. We're at the very top. Now
Speaker 1: I'm like setting up the two tubes. You just put
Speaker 1: them down at the top and then you sit in them.
Speaker 1: As I'm setting the tubes down, she starts yelling, Daddy, daddy,
Speaker 1: I'm pean. I turn around. It is like a waterfall
Speaker 1: coming out of the bottom of her coat, bottom of
Speaker 1: her dress, all over like her pants. It's just like
Speaker 1: streaming down her legs. I'm just like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: like what is happening. I'm kind of like looking around
Speaker 1: to see if well, first, I'm like looking around to
Speaker 1: see if anyone's noticing. No one's noticing. Everyone's like putting
Speaker 1: their stuff in their tubes. There's one like employee on
Speaker 1: the platform. He's like on the other side. He could
Speaker 1: give two craps about what is actually happening on the platform.
Speaker 1: Like I could have like ripped my clothes off and
Speaker 1: like went down naked and he would have not cared anyway.
Speaker 1: So she's freaking out. So I'm like, okay, whatever. So
Speaker 1: I'm just like I'm basically like, okay, well, I'll just
Speaker 1: let her pee, Okay, So I just let her pee,
Speaker 1: and then what am I gonna do? Like all these
Speaker 1: people are like coming up this like narrow staircase and
Speaker 1: everyone's got tubes, and the tubes are big, you can't
Speaker 1: really go down. So I'm like, well, okay, our only
Speaker 1: way down is gotta get in the tubes, right, okay. Whatever.
Speaker 1: So I put her in the in the thing in
Speaker 1: the in the tube, and I just push her down
Speaker 1: and then I go down right behind and I get
Speaker 1: down to the bottom, and I'm like, okay, like we
Speaker 1: made it, like whatever. But she's like she's not getting
Speaker 1: out of the tube, and so like she's in front
Speaker 1: of me, and I'm just like, oh my god, she's
Speaker 1: probably peeing again. Probably the fact that now she's scared
Speaker 1: and she's freaking out, she's whatever. So I like have
Speaker 1: to like lift her up. Then I realize that these
Speaker 1: tubes aren't like your normal tubes. They have like this
Speaker 1: kind of cover on them where the bottom is all
Speaker 1: also rubber, so the whole thing is basically like a
Speaker 1: pool of p Now, so I'm just like, holy shit, what,
Speaker 1: Like I am such an idiot of a parent, Like
Speaker 1: what am I doing? She's covered in pe, she's she's
Speaker 1: walking like she's a cowboy who's been on a horse
Speaker 1: for twelve hours. Like she's like she can't move, you know,
Speaker 1: like she's got wooden legs, and like the whole I'm
Speaker 1: trying to find someone. No one's around, Like it's just
Speaker 1: this whole thing. So then I like I'm trying to
Speaker 1: walk off, and like where this thing is in the ballpark.
Speaker 1: There's like this big walkway like up top, and like
Speaker 1: everyone's like watching everyone go down these things, watching their friends,
Speaker 1: their family members, whatever, And I'm just there, like literally
Speaker 1: dumping out a tube full of p and everyone's probably
Speaker 1: looking at me like, who the f is this a hole?
Speaker 1: And what the hell is going on? The whole thing
Speaker 1: was just just it was It was incredible. But again
Speaker 1: it's it's largely my fault because I should have just
Speaker 1: took her to the bathroom. I trusted her not to
Speaker 1: go and that was my era there. But holy hell.
Speaker 1: So that's it. Welcome to enchant. I find a guy
Speaker 1: on the I find a guy. What's that?
Speaker 2: Welcome to parent Yeah exactly.
Speaker 1: I find a guy on the end at the end,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, listen, this is what happened. Whatever I mean,
Speaker 1: he could be he could not have been any less
Speaker 1: interested in what the hell was going on. He's like,
Speaker 1: just go put it behind the shed over there, I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: so I like, go put the two behind the shed.
Speaker 1: Then I have to bring my daughter out. We have
Speaker 1: to obviously get her changed. My wife goes into the
Speaker 1: bathroom to take her or change. She comes out. She's
Speaker 1: wearing my wife's shirt as like a dress now because
Speaker 1: like all her clothes and everything were coming. It was
Speaker 1: just the whole thing was a disaster. But but she
Speaker 1: loved the slide. She had a good time. So I guess,
Speaker 1: so I guess you know, it was just a little
Speaker 1: bit of pee whatever, no big deal. Yeah, oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: you got a family. Potter was the only one I
Speaker 1: do not. Okay, Well, you know, bravo kan last time,
Speaker 1: uh you know, peeing at the top of the tube
Speaker 1: slide it enchant this time. Lord only knows what the
Speaker 1: hell's gonna happen next time, but you know, we'll figure
Speaker 1: it out as we go.
Speaker 2: I had something similar once for a ferris wheel, and
Speaker 2: we got up to the top or near the top,
Speaker 2: and then we just went We just left went to
Speaker 2: pay and then came back in line. But it wasn't
Speaker 2: like in Chant with the line. There's probably hundreds of
Speaker 2: people date. This was, you know, one spin in the
Speaker 2: fairest wheel. So sometimes he's gonna make that gut decision right,
Speaker 2: and you just sometimes doubt yourself on should you just
Speaker 2: wait or should you, you know, stay stay in line.
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna do it for us. What do
Speaker 1: you think? You don't even know how long we've been?
Speaker 1: Two hours? Oh my god, Rich is gonna kill me.
Speaker 1: I can't wait? Sorry, Rich, Ryan, Well, it was a
Speaker 1: great show though.
Speaker 2: At least he doesn't have to edit the video, just audio. No,
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe we'll send them in the video too.
Speaker 2: No, we from home sitting in the dock office.
Speaker 1: Who cares. He'll frame it all nice. It'll be a whole.
Speaker 2: Thing, not video. Rich.
Speaker 1: Well, whatever, all right, that's gonna do it for us.
Speaker 1: His name is Tim Duckworth, my name is Donnie Peters,
Speaker 1: and we will talk to you guys next time.
Speaker 2: So Yo, rednight, ja Express