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Speaker 1: Hello, everybody, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. It

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is episode one hundred and seven. I'm Mike Mahardy here

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as always. Unfortunately, once again, we're not altogether. I've got

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some subs here. I've got Ben Hansen from min Max.

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Speaker 2: Hi. Yeah, yeah, Ben, how's it going? Oh good? Yeah,

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it's good. I can't do this. I don't even know.

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I'm in my head trying to. Like, I've heard that

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man talk more than most people in my life, and

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I cannot place a Yeah, I don't know how.

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Speaker 1: He sounds like he's always smiling you while you're listening

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to three podcasts and wonder how.

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Speaker 2: Did they make this?

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Speaker 3: Do you hear that?

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Speaker 2: Do you hear the story about Kajima? Apparently uh just

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refuses to use toilets. It's crazy. As my first try

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at Ben Hanson.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm also here, and I'm not pretending to be

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better Hansen.

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Speaker 4: I'm just regularly here.

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Speaker 3: But this is so exciting because this is the first

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time the three of us have been together in several episodes.

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Because we have been so busy with travel and corporo

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life and like crazy stuff that's been going on, we

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haven't had time to just be together.

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Speaker 2: About four episodes.

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Speaker 1: I think last time it was me Mary Drew and

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then Dan the Blake club Boys, and then me Mary

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Collie Fadoms. Jeez.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been It's been a lot of stuff going on.

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I say, we don't really have much to catch up.

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Yeah it's not Mary this week, and I guess we

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didn't really talk about it.

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Speaker 3: Mary.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got some stuff going on at work.

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Speaker 3: I have so many cute videos of you. I have

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like really funny videos of like asking Dan to dance

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in a nightclub and he did this like car racing maneuver.

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Speaker 2: It was very fun. I have never been more out

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of my I was out of my element when I

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went to clubs like twice in my life in my

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twenties and immediately hated it and left boy at forty

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with a bunch of influencers, I am out of it.

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I guess technically, you know, I'm in that same world,

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that same orbit influencer. Yeah, I feel like my version

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of that is very different than the people at this party.

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For you, baby boy, you just walked into a world

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of influencers by by doing what you did. Hey, I'm

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a businessman.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm see what's your title?

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Speaker 2: Chief content officer. Wait, can you run us through all right?

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Speaker 1: For like the maybe three percent of listeners who don't

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know what we're referencing, can you get what? In two sentences,

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Max tld explain what happened.

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Speaker 2: We bought Giant Bomb. Yes, I'm a co owner of

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Giant Bomb now. Yes, and it's independent. Yes, it is

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completely independent, null funded by fans, fully funded by fans.

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There's no secret shady money above us. There's no you know,

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investor company or venture whatever.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Literally, it's just fans. That's it. I mean, well, we'll

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do ads and stuff for sure, but yeah, fans and subscriptions,

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giant bomb, dot com, slash join are the backbone of

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this operation. And you're a chief content officer. What is

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what is Jeff Backlar? Uh? Jeff Backler? Okay, well this

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is a wrestling reference. He is Eric Bischoff. We decided this.

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I know what that means now, I watched Netflix stock

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Yeah he is. Okay, So the names we decided on

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right now were Grub is mister corporate. Backlar is Eric Bischoff.

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I'm Chief Content Officer, which is Triple H's title a

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w E. And Jan is hb I c uh and

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Mike and I. He's been at fucking Disney World for

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three weeks and was not part of these conversations.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna be your social media manager because that's just

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what they do with the scraps.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, he's the one that's gonna happen anyway,

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because he's the guy that needs Disney adults. Every fucking

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comment he always reads. He's in every Breddit thread, every

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YouTube comment. So he's the guy doing that anyway. He's

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the one cleaning that. Shut up. Oh god, Mike, save yourself.

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He's there anyway, Chief Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Dick, Yeah, so I think it's great.

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Speaker 1: It's a creative officer. I'm a fish joke whatever, whatever.

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Speaker 3: D you know, it's fucking made up and no one

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gives a show.

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Speaker 2: Card.

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Speaker 1: I have not told you this news myself in on error.

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I'm officially assemblier.

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Speaker 2: Now. How much does that piss you off? Me? It

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doesn't off Yeah right, I'm not my dad, I'm not anything.

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What are you talking about? Yeah, I figured it out

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now that I can, I have said that to you.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna quit, but I just wanted to be able

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to one day say that and mean it.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, it's official. You are officially now.

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Speaker 1: Yes, not full time at all, obviously, I'm still still

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in games full time.

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Speaker 2: But I see pictures of you on Instagram of you

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serving wine and holding it in a fancy way, and yeah.

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Speaker 1: Oh gotcha, yeah, oh yeah. A few friends stop by

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the other day when I was helping out. That's fun.

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Speaker 2: Nice spend, spend, spend quite a lot.

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Speaker 3: Congrats you guys both have achieved monumental things I have.

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Speaker 1: Well, now we can announce Mary's news. She founded a

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dodgeball league in Portland.

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Speaker 2: Wow, but I something Mary would do though. I joined

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the bowling league and I the same thing.

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Speaker 4: I got a new high score one nine.

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Speaker 2: Oh, Mary, I want to bowling at you. It's in

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a while. Three, that's correct, that is the total. I'm proud.

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I should assume you guys know a

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lot about bowling, but like.

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Speaker 2: I literally that was the one class in college I

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went to is bowling. I can I can score by

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hand us. I used to be in the league. I

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love bowling. Bowling's fantastic. My fingers keep breaking now, so

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I don't know, Like the two fingers that I would

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put in the holes are like breaking now, so that

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would hurt, but maybe.

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Speaker 3: You could use different fingers. Holes doesn't really matter if

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you use like other holes.

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Speaker 2: The guy that does cradle, there's the guy that does

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the cradle, and like, like, you know, I've always wanted

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to be that guy.

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Speaker 3: Ic I've recognized because when we did this, everybody has

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their own private balls. They don't use the house balls,

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which is what I use, but everybody has custom balls

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and a lot of them. The fingers don't go all

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the way in the holes. They only go to the

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first knuckle, which is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, which is really it's a good technique. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: And some people just hold the ball like they palm

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it and kind of just you know, toss it.

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Speaker 2: And that's checking for lumps? What what? What pounded are

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Speaker 3: I do an eleven, but I've been told I need

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to go up if I want to increase my score

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because apparently a heavier ball knocks down more pins. But

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eleven is where I'm at.

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Speaker 2: I think I've been like a twelve or fourteen guy.

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It's been yeah forever, though it's hard, twenty three, I

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think we're gamers, you know. I like I like bullying.

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It's fun, bullings awesome, Well, great, I'm not confused bowling

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Speaker 3: I would dodge you would get killed.

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Speaker 2: I've watched it.

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Speaker 3: I yeah. So I got my new high score and

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on the system they said like most improved, Mary, and

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I got a coupon for free bowling, so they rewarded

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me for being the best bowler that evening with additional bowling.

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Your team, it's a four persons team. Were the Pinzi

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low Hands?

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Speaker 2: Nice?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we were almost the Michael Bolton's But I googled

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it and somebody else had already thought of that, and

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I wanted an original one.

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Speaker 2: Where's the bull? Yeah? I was like, you're sure you

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didn't mean Bullpens.

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Speaker 3: No, you know the name of the sport, the Chicago.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I was thinking I was about being the Beastie bowls. Uh,

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but yeah, we were. We were chucking a lot of

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names and Mike one of the ones. I said. Everybody said, no,

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that's actually like really not cool and we absolutely won't

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have to be the name. I was like, Mike would

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have appreciated this. Yeah, full penetration that they.

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Speaker 2: Didn't like that. He did yourself a new team, Mary,

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I was waiting for you, Mike, would like it. I

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thought it was gonna be the bowl Cosby's.

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Speaker 1: Okay, matter of time before they came out.

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Speaker 2: It's the first time we're hanging out.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I'm sick of seeing you. Guys watched mcgruber together.

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Speaker 2: When we did, we did, we replaced you with uh

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with Seth Macy from my GN so you know Jackson,

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veteran of Yeah. Well actually Jake, this is his first

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time doing the whole thing, so yeah, he finished up.

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Seth Macy was with us. Grub also a veteran of

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the Late Night Travel mcgroober. But yeah, yeah, we we

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were thinking about you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, because he fell asleep. We even talked about how

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Speaker 3: Your nose while you fell asleep for like thirty seconds.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Who maybe I was awake and just enjoyed it.

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I got bowling ball deep in his nostril.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the first knuckle. Yeah, you could have lifted them

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up like a fourteen founder the lane.

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Speaker 2: It's like a fatality. It's jacas in the whole thing now. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: Good to have everybody together. It was like a nice

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way to also socially disconnect. Something that I always tell

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it's a lot, right, packs is a lot being around

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a lot of people is a lot. It is wonderful

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to reconnect with old friends, see fans, or just people

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who love games as.

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Speaker 1: Much as you.

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Speaker 3: That is a joy to me. But I have a

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in my system, and it's usually about four hours. And

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after about four hours of interacting with people and talking

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and chatting it up and drinking, I gotta get out

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of there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like my social stalmina is usually almost infinite, Like

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I'm the one who will always want to shut down

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the bar and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Machine. But after after the path, it was this was

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the night of the packs panel ours and oh that

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was just there was the whole day of like planning

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it together, you know, putting it together, and then like

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the excitement of the hour on stage and stuff. And

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like you know, there's probably like one hundred people I

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want to talk to there, but I just kind of

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the squirrel away, you know, responded to text and stuff

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like that. And then you were like, let's watch mcgroomer.

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Speaker 3: And I was like, yes, yes, yeah, I'm glad that

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that was the right move because that felt good to

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me too. I'm also a lot of people misconstru or

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assume like extroverted people can just do that all the time,

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but because I burned the candle at both ends, I

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usually can't do it for very long. So I'm very

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excited and very happy, and then at one point I'll

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just be like, I gotta go. And I think it

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did happen where you guys were like hanging out and

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just like having a drink and I just leaned down

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to both of you and said mcgroup.

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Speaker 2: They were like, yes, yes, let's do it. Yeah, because

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I was supposed to be in Poland right now. I

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was supposed to go right from pas to Poland. And

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that last night, it's like Mcgruber's is cure for what ails?

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Speaker 3: Meh, you're probably spent. You were probably spent, and we've

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all been busy. I mean there's no question, especially with

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all our travel and stuff like that, we have a

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lot going on. And I think that's cool and it

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shows that we're booked and busy, which you love to see.

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But it's important that we're able to also play games

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and just hang out with each other. And I'm really

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grateful that we were able to find time to be

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together for this episode because it's important to catch up

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and and we all have news. I mean, look at

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this like Somolier new company, co owner Bowling. Yeah, I

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mean they're all they're all equally important, they're all equally

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of value, They're all the same magnitude of value.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're all universally positive for sure. Dan. Have you

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found your cat? Yeah? Oh you did. I had the

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message Maharty this morning because we were in the laying

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in bed and the cat like was like coming up

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to say hi, which you know, we got Boss the

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cat like a week ago basically, and you know, he

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he got to the point bank was giving me updates

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every day while I was at packed, like, oh well,

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you know, Boss just kind of like sauntered in, came

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into the room. Oh, Boss is on the couch with me.

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shell and coexisting with the dogs. But he came up

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into the bedroom and the dogs just lost their minds

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and started barking at him. And then we could not

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find Boss anywhere. So I messaged Mike like, we have

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looked everywhere twice and we cannot find this fucking cat anywhere.

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But then, yeah, we just googled it and we saw

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a Reddit thread where somebody said, oh, I used this

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video of kitten's me owing and a lot of times

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the cat will come out. So Bunk just started up

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and immediately came out from like it was like in

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the guts of the couch, like in the living room,

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and he just kind of came out. Cats. I love

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whear to god.

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Speaker 1: My So Dan messaged me, He's like, are cats like

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especially adept at hiding.

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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, it's like their favorite thing to do.

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Speaker 1: I just this morning couldn't find Scarlet and we have

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an apartment like a quarter of the size of Dan's house. Yeah,

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like they find spots. They do not abide by the

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laws of nature. But I was about to say sometimes

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they do get up, like from under couches, so be

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careful with like your mechanical reclining couches.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we decide we're not going to like put those

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down unless we have like visual confirmation cat.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because they love getting up there. He's like

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Danny DeVito coming out of the couch in the Christmas

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Special if it's always sunny.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Mike, are your cats? Are they all gone and

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hiding right now? I haven't seen any.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Daisy's definitely not jumping up the moment she

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sees me talking.

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Speaker 4: So it's like a tail in your cameras.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she she she walked across the screen during work

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today and it gave me like a like a musstadache.

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Speaker 2: No, yeah, oh that's good.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, reminds me of Nixon. No, no, he didn't have

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a mustache, did he. He would have looked nod was hot

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with a mustache.

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Speaker 3: The heck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Nixon was always hiding in the folds of the couch.

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Speaker 4: He was so good at it.

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Speaker 3: But everybody, everybody in the White House was like, don't

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open the reclining chair unless we have eyes on Nixon.

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Speaker 2: If you play a video of a bunch of baby Nixon's,

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he'll come out of hiding. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's she Yeah, cats are Cats are weird.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they're very different than dogs. But I like, because

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you got one.

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Speaker 3: I'm amazed that you have. You have, you have two dogs.

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You have a full house in my opinion of action

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and animal. So the motivation to get a cat surprised

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me because I never really thought of you as a

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cat guy.

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Speaker 2: And Bank also did not. She didn't grow up with cats,

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but she was just looking up ragged all cats. And

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there's this one available that he was a former sex worker.

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I think I mentioned that here who had his penis

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cut off and now lives with us. So I'm still

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not sure if it's penis cut off or balls cut

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off or neither, but got neutered and got into LIVI

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y his penis, believe it or not. He needs to

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pee still, well, there'd be a hole there all right,

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Like if I cut off my dick with scissors, I

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could still pee, right, I have no clue. I don't know.

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Speaker 1: So because you need the muscles, the muscle this episode

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of Phantom Limb, Yeah, cuts off his dick.

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Speaker 2: This is a huge giant bomb. You tear for that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the same medical knowledge as like a twelve year

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old boy. That's like how come. It doesn't just fall

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out of girls.

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Speaker 2: How babies are made? You pee? And the woman? Yeah,

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I heard that. That'd be a sick Patreon page. It's

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like eight dollars a month.

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Speaker 1: You get your name mentioned in the credits of each

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episode twelve, you get to come to our hangouts in

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this city.

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Speaker 2: Fourteen dollars. I will cut my tickoff. One person subscribe

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to the fourteen dollars. Yeah, and I tell dick Off

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some teenager found change in his couch and he's like,

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I got it. Let me bring this up at the

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next board meeting. We'll see h tell Baklar it was

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my idea. He'll he'll yeah, He'll go for it. Boy,

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it is. It is good we have Backlar. He is u.

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He is the adult in the room. He's just like

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we'll be sitting at like, you know, planning meetings and

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stuff with him, and Wow, you're saying all these crazy

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acronyms and making all these notes about stuff, and like

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here I am just like they'll make a video of doom.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly how I suspect those first meetings are

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going where you're just like, we got to figure out

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taxes and payment plans and health insurance, and San is

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like he just like he's got like doom written down

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and he's like yellow taxi go room and he's just like,

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I'm booked.

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Speaker 4: Sorry, guys, I have for Fight Club.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I swear right if he had hair, it all

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would have fallen out at Packs because you know, we're

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keeping this all a secret and everything. And I've been

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told this before, but I always forget is that my

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voice carries And so we'd just be walking around the

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pack show floor with lots of people that know us

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in earshot, and I'd just be like like, oh, yeah,

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so we're about to be in business together, like oh,

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when's the sale go through? And like okay, we're gonna

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announce it at this and then we say wait, bought

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Giant Bomb and like he's like, dude, shut they'll stop

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the fuck up. I can't tell you how many times

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it's like, shut the fuck up. Yeah, look up.

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Speaker 3: I think you're a terrible secret keeper. And I also

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I could not imagine, don't bring the embargos. Don't bring

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up the embargos.

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Speaker 2: I think that you know, not the embargos.

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Speaker 1: I think I think Dan keeps other people's secrets secret.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, someone tells me if I've got if I've got

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an exciting thing bruined, Well, here's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Walk into my apartment, Like I can see it that

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he's holding something in.

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Speaker 2: Fun personal news. I'm gonna say it, but I'm not

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gonna get anyone else in that water.

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Speaker 3: I think it's funny how often And you were like,

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no one can know.

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Speaker 2: This, Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And I'm just talking loudly in

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a crowd at a convention where most people know you, Hey,

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but no one knew it was a surprise to everyone

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get spoiled.

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Speaker 3: It did not get spoiled. I think it was to

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be honest with you. The thing too, is like I

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just think it's so unbelievable. I think you kind of

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needed the press release because if you had just said

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that you did it, I would have been like, shut

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the fuck up.

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Speaker 2: Well, there are a bunch of like Reddit and stuff after, like,

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you know, the stuff at the last company was you know,

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clearly something was about to hit the fan, and you

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would just see that stuff on Reddit like, oh, I

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wonder if they bought it and they could make it independent,

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And everyone was like that's not realistic.

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Speaker 3: It's just like literally, it's so impossible, and so many

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people have tried to do what you're doing.

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Speaker 2: Wait, Reddit was wrong about a potential business deal stories.

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I love Reddit. I never said a single bad thing.

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 2: If I'm ready, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: There's no no safety guidelines on this show. I think

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they're a bunch of babies. I think they don't understand

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how the world works. I don't give a fuck.

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Speaker 2: I think they're the salt of the earth and they're

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placing me alive. Yes, fine, I'll find that myself. There's

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like twelve annoying people on there, and the rest are

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just gems. I mean, uh, Tolkodo sucks. But no, everyone

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likes Mike. Mike's kind of in a bad way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, just to clarify, because I am really pro eating ass.

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But that guy does it wrong.

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Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, technique is terrible. Yeah, he's no good. Yeah,

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I'm excited for you guys.

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Speaker 1: Sounds like it'll be it'll be uh a challenging endeavor,

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but nothing worthwhile is.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're in it now. You're gonna like have to

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deal with a bunch of shit, But I think that

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you overwhelmingly, this is gonna be so much better, not

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just for you, but for people who listen to video

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game content. It's also inspiring. I mean, so many of

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us have been just hunkered down and weighted down by

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the corporate shackles of investments and the rules and the

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laws of what you can and can't say, and you're

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just not beholden to that anymore. Like, now, obviously you

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will have to create content, and you'll have to be

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really goddamn good at it. You'll probably add a couple

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more jobs to your current list, but that the pros

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outweigh the cons.

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Speaker 4: Dude, Like, You're going to be so much happier.

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Speaker 2: I'm already feeling it, because it's just like you know,

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with any company. I've worked for a lot of big

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companies and GameStop ANDWNE and all this stuff and CBS,

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and there's always going to be meetings that aren't directly

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about the stuff you're making. And like, basically all of

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our stuff already has just been like, Okay, what's some

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cool stuff we could make? What's our plan with Like

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obviously there's a lot of just logistical things with taking

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over our company and like getting all the keys and like, okay,

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well this thing's got a two factor and we got

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to get that, and like there's just setting up accounts

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and all this shit, like there are a lot of

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things going on, but we're all we're all hands on

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deck on stuff. So and then also trying to plan, like, oh,

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is it realistic that we can do SGF this year?

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Like we really really want to, so trying to get

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that together, and it's just but it's I'm busier than

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I've ever been, but like I've just been thrilled about

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all of it. Like I was on stuff all day

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today and now I'm doing another one. But it's like

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it's all been fun.

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Speaker 3: So do you think it will change the way you

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spend money? Because when you go out, it's not really

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a corporate card in the same sense anymore. It is

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like literally like yeah, Ryn, that's like yours to share

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with everybody else.

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Speaker 2: I love taking money from corporations, like you know when

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that was when it was two Oh. If I was

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traveling with the company, I would just be like I'd

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first stop in town, go to a seven eleven, load

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up on like thirty dollars worth of Twizzlers, like you know,

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just go nuts. I've seen It's true, you have seen it,

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like yes, and now it's just like even like as

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soon as they turned my cart off while I was

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at packs, it was a thing where it's like I

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looked at the uh, I looked at the menu and

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it was like cocktail for twenty dollars is like I'll

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do a nine dollar beer, which is still a little much,

471
00:22:03,599 --> 00:22:06,160
but you know, like I, yeah, I'm not gonna willy

472
00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:09,319
nilly spend money going to me and my friends. Yeah,

473
00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:12,839
which is totally fine. That's yes, that's not a big

474
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:13,279
trade off.

475
00:22:13,319 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: I love that if you were in my shoes, you

476
00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:16,839
would have already felt this when you did fire Escape.

477
00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:18,440
When we do fire Escape, because this is how I

478
00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,480
feel when I have our corporate card for like we

479
00:22:21,519 --> 00:22:23,000
don't we don't go like it sound like you go

480
00:22:23,079 --> 00:22:25,440
to seven eleven and go balls out with like the

481
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:26,279
fire Escape card.

482
00:22:26,319 --> 00:22:27,319
Speaker 2: Now, I've never used.

483
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,640
Speaker 3: The fire it's been buying Twizzlers on the fire Escape

484
00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:32,200
account for like two years.

485
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,119
Speaker 2: Down Super Nibszlers, you're just the nibs, but they're super.

486
00:22:36,319 --> 00:22:38,119
They're the best thing I've ever had. I'll be in

487
00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:42,359
Montreal tomorrow so you get some super Nibs nips. I

488
00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:44,119
don't think i've ever used the fire Escape card. I

489
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,119
don't think I've ever spent.

490
00:22:45,079 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 1: No, it's it's when we're when we're all in town

491
00:22:47,279 --> 00:22:51,079
for the thing. It's like, I'm we've never actually gotten

492
00:22:51,119 --> 00:22:53,519
to a point where, of course where it's like, okay,

493
00:22:53,559 --> 00:22:56,279
now we'd all we should taper off, like in terms

494
00:22:56,279 --> 00:22:58,759
of spending money. But I was just like I usually

495
00:22:58,839 --> 00:23:00,799
am the back of art and that situation.

496
00:23:00,519 --> 00:23:02,680
Speaker 2: I say, yeah, yeah, I mean, you're the one that

497
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:04,079
knows how much we've gotten in the war chest and

498
00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:07,039
stuff like that. We'll do the one. You just don't look.

499
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:10,920
I don't know how the fuck it we all have

500
00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:12,640
access to do money. I'm just the one.

501
00:23:12,759 --> 00:23:13,559
Speaker 3: How does it work?

502
00:23:13,880 --> 00:23:17,119
Speaker 2: Do a bank account? Yes, you have access? You have

503
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:20,799
the card? Oh god, I should with a card. I

504
00:23:20,799 --> 00:23:21,799
should have embrace.

505
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,559
Speaker 3: There's gonna be the same way giant bomb. Do we

506
00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:30,359
have enough money for like an inflatable giant Twizzler for

507
00:23:30,400 --> 00:23:30,759
a bit?

508
00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:33,440
Speaker 4: And they're just like, you have access to all of this.

509
00:23:34,279 --> 00:23:36,920
Speaker 2: Huh, Like what are these? What are these? What is

510
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,079
this charge for three forty nine thirty times? Like, oh,

511
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,319
just those are nibs we're in.

512
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:45,400
Speaker 4: It's my monthly nibs budget. What's our nibs budget?

513
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 1: At this company, our CEO needs it to brainstorm.

514
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,720
Speaker 2: He can't thank about them. Yeah, I although I'm gonna

515
00:23:51,799 --> 00:23:53,119
lean on. Look, I got a lot of friends in

516
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:55,359
the industry. I'm gonna lean up people that can't expense things.

517
00:23:55,400 --> 00:23:59,119
And perhaps someone on this podcast was the inaugural buying

518
00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,839
me dinner first and then it was very nice. It's

519
00:24:03,480 --> 00:24:03,960
it's Mary.

520
00:24:04,599 --> 00:24:12,240
Speaker 3: Yes, it's a business dinner. You guys stream on Twitch. Yeah,

521
00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:16,359
I think it's fine. My joy for going to conventions

522
00:24:16,440 --> 00:24:20,039
is someone who who works for a streaming site. Is

523
00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:23,559
everyone I am talking to is a content creator. They're

524
00:24:23,599 --> 00:24:25,960
all content creators. So it is completely justified for me

525
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,799
to buy someone a drink and say, how's your content going,

526
00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:31,160
how can we help you? Et cetera, et cetera. Everything

527
00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:34,720
can become a business conversation like that. So it is

528
00:24:34,759 --> 00:24:37,039
my pleasure to be able to walk around at a

529
00:24:37,079 --> 00:24:39,400
packs and and and help people and support them. And

530
00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:41,680
it was also really fun just to get you guys

531
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:47,039
at an official Twatch Twitch. I wanted to say, I

532
00:24:47,079 --> 00:24:48,920
wanted to say packs and Twitch, and.

533
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:55,559
Speaker 2: It came out Twatch dot TV taken twat That could

534
00:24:55,599 --> 00:25:01,039
have been bad dot TV no watch.

535
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,559
Speaker 4: I don't know what happened.

536
00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: I was thinking of packs.

537
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:06,880
Speaker 2: And that was our dinner right before we right before

538
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,000
the panel, So yeah, got us right right there at

539
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:10,839
the big moment.

540
00:25:10,839 --> 00:25:12,880
Speaker 3: I got an insider look at like how you guys

541
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,599
worked together, which was also really nice. You guys have

542
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,759
a good dynamic, and I think even though you are

543
00:25:17,839 --> 00:25:20,279
silly and stuff on videos, I think you respect each

544
00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:20,799
other a lot.

545
00:25:20,839 --> 00:25:22,079
Speaker 4: And it was pretty obvious at.

546
00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:25,039
Speaker 3: That dinner that I think you guys are a really

547
00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:27,799
good group. I think you care about each other and

548
00:25:27,839 --> 00:25:30,640
you're you're all very passionate about making this work. And

549
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,440
so it was kind of fun getting that behind the

550
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,160
scenes view of you guys. And I also really appreciate

551
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,359
you giving me credit for taking the photo yep on

552
00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:43,799
the on what you called the grassy knol.

553
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 2: The grassy knole covered in rabbit shit. That's it was

554
00:25:46,759 --> 00:25:48,559
the first official announcement of us as a group.

555
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:50,599
Speaker 3: So much shit on that grassynol.

556
00:25:52,359 --> 00:25:54,640
Speaker 2: And then we ate nine hundred pounds of meat we

557
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:55,960
went and announced our futures.

558
00:25:56,039 --> 00:25:58,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you need a lot of meat when you're under

559
00:25:58,400 --> 00:26:01,880
high stress. I learned that from Glengarry Glenn Ross. Just

560
00:26:02,079 --> 00:26:06,440
you know, yeah, lots of protein get those rookie numbers up,

561
00:26:06,599 --> 00:26:06,799
you know.

562
00:26:07,559 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 2: Uh, Sell, I'm surprised too, because, like I used to

563
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,519
like pax panels and stuff, any kind of public speaking

564
00:26:14,519 --> 00:26:16,920
would be like a number one anxiety trigger. Like I

565
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,319
would worry for months before I did one. And I

566
00:26:19,319 --> 00:26:20,960
don't know what happened in the last year or so.

567
00:26:21,079 --> 00:26:24,000
Actually I started the medication that might be it about

568
00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:26,559
a year ago. But I mean that explains it directly.

569
00:26:26,920 --> 00:26:29,319
I have on and off over the years. But I

570
00:26:29,519 --> 00:26:33,880
started a telegram last summer. Since then, it's it's a selexa.

571
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:35,160
It's just the generator.

572
00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:37,200
Speaker 4: I don't know what that is.

573
00:26:38,039 --> 00:26:41,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a necessry. I'm gonna like a low dose

574
00:26:41,799 --> 00:26:44,119
of it. And like I just I.

575
00:26:44,079 --> 00:26:48,200
Speaker 1: Don't know, I don't it's an anti depressed, anti anxiety

576
00:26:48,279 --> 00:26:48,599
kind of.

577
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, sorry, I don't know.

578
00:26:53,039 --> 00:26:57,680
Speaker 1: Oh, very's fine in the heads only Dan and I

579
00:26:57,720 --> 00:26:58,960
need to take pills.

580
00:26:59,000 --> 00:26:59,279
Speaker 2: Sorry.

581
00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 4: Owner typical, well.

582
00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 2: Typical cool. How's your cookie cutter life going, Marry? How's

583
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:09,839
your pussy? Nice?

584
00:27:11,519 --> 00:27:13,960
Speaker 3: That's how I get my stress out. I hurl a

585
00:27:14,039 --> 00:27:15,680
twelve pound bowling ball at piece.

586
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:19,039
Speaker 2: That's just my therapy. Is you crushed some man his head?

587
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:23,400
But yeah, I like before the panels. Now I'm just

588
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,839
like completely calm. I like fly to and from Tokyo

589
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,079
twice in the last six months, stone cold, sober, no

590
00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:32,000
real issues, Like it's a it's the moments like that

591
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:33,599
that I really realized it. Like, Oh, I think I'm

592
00:27:33,599 --> 00:27:35,160
in a pretty good spot with that stuff now.

593
00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, growing, I think you're developing as a person. You've

594
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,640
already written a lot of stuff on anxiety, so I

595
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,440
feel like you understand it well. But I think, like,

596
00:27:44,279 --> 00:27:46,920
what's so crazy is like, remember that story I told

597
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:49,400
you guys about the Minecraft stream and like how stressful

598
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,079
that was. And I was like dealing with like five

599
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:55,160
different people who wanted completely different streams, plus the beautiful

600
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,079
Jack Black and like all these different things, plus the

601
00:27:57,079 --> 00:27:59,359
problems of a live stream, and I was so fucking

602
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:02,319
stressed that when I went home that night and I

603
00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:04,880
went to sleep, I thought to myself, like, man, this

604
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:06,519
is going to make whatever stream I.

605
00:28:06,480 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 4: Do next a fucking cake walk.

606
00:28:09,079 --> 00:28:11,400
Speaker 3: And I just think you've been through so much, You've

607
00:28:11,440 --> 00:28:15,799
just you've tempered yourself in so much shit that a

608
00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:18,079
regular stressful day is really not as big of a

609
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:19,039
deal as it used to be.

610
00:28:19,359 --> 00:28:21,519
Speaker 2: That stuff really does help, like when you just kind

611
00:28:21,519 --> 00:28:23,240
of raise the stakes on that because like I remember

612
00:28:23,279 --> 00:28:25,359
when I was about to take the job at W

613
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:27,400
DOWE and this was back in a very different era

614
00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:30,079
of w DOE. I called up Xavier Woods and I

615
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,039
asked him like, Hey, what am I walking into with

616
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:34,319
this kind of job, And he goes, Yeah, this company

617
00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:37,319
is going to grind you into dust in a way

618
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:40,599
where you were working like crazy and you were going

619
00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:42,880
to be stressed, and it's going to like you're going

620
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,000
to have really really rough days, but you're going to

621
00:28:45,039 --> 00:28:47,759
come out the other side ready for anything. And it

622
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:49,160
really was true. You know. I was there for a

623
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:50,680
few years and I came back out and I feel

624
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,119
like I was just prepared for so much more in

625
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,400
terms of production and high stress environments and stuff like that.

626
00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,200
So yeah, yeah, there's something to be said for that stuff.

627
00:29:00,119 --> 00:29:04,640
It's like Quibbi. It's like Quibbi. I E were talking

628
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,519
to you during Quibbi that was that.

629
00:29:06,559 --> 00:29:08,680
Speaker 3: Was a wild time for you. I think you handled

630
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:11,240
that with a lot of grace maybe.

631
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:15,039
Speaker 1: For maybe to you, but yeah, in the quiet moments

632
00:29:15,039 --> 00:29:17,000
of the night, I did I don't know what talking about,

633
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:18,240
but yeah, it was it was.

634
00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:20,640
Speaker 2: It was also Covid. I think it felt normal to

635
00:29:20,680 --> 00:29:23,599
work that much the time. Business strategy of Quibby was

636
00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:25,599
very good. I think everyone agrees.

637
00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,279
Speaker 1: The time it wouldn't have been good if it wasn't

638
00:29:27,279 --> 00:29:30,519
for COVID, and COVID definitely hurt because no one was

639
00:29:30,519 --> 00:29:33,640
commuting anymore, which is the only hope and a prayer.

640
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 2: That they had. I should say no at all, I

641
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:38,839
will never be like.

642
00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:41,400
Speaker 4: Love that pandemic.

643
00:29:42,039 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 3: But there was there was no Yeah, there was no

644
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,200
It was no better time to work at a streaming

645
00:29:52,279 --> 00:29:54,480
company than that moment.

646
00:29:54,839 --> 00:29:56,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, it probably was pretty good, Yeah it was.

647
00:29:56,880 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 3: It was crazy like everybody was staying home and obviously

648
00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:04,920
find entertainment and socialization at their computer, and so our

649
00:30:05,799 --> 00:30:10,160
our streaming numbers really skyrocketed during that time, and everybody

650
00:30:10,279 --> 00:30:15,039
was like all right, aw yayh that's like the bummer.

651
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:17,440
But I mean it was a crazy time to be

652
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:21,079
at Twitch because it was just like it felt unstoppable

653
00:30:21,279 --> 00:30:22,240
during those moments.

654
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:24,599
Speaker 2: That's that's when I started streaming on Twitch. I never

655
00:30:24,640 --> 00:30:26,720
did a single like I guess I did the like

656
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:28,599
one and then PlayStation four where you could do it

657
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:30,960
from the box, but I never used OBS or anything before.

658
00:30:31,279 --> 00:30:33,039
And yeah, Mike told me like, yeah, you should talk

659
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:34,920
to Mary. They got really good tools for showing me

660
00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:36,480
how much money you can make. And I was like,

661
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:38,759
oh money, you say. And then I talked to Mary

662
00:30:38,799 --> 00:30:41,079
and she told me how to set up stream labs.

663
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:42,799
Speaker 3: Told you how monetization works.

664
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:44,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I was like, I think I like

665
00:30:44,599 --> 00:30:46,079
this and then I just went nuts with it.

666
00:30:46,359 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 3: But it's cool though, because before you actually had like

667
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:52,160
never touched streaming software at all, and you were like

668
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:53,519
kind of like, that's not my thing.

669
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:54,680
Speaker 4: I play the games.

670
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:56,920
Speaker 3: You guys helped put the stream together, but you were

671
00:30:57,000 --> 00:31:00,599
learning obs, you were learning alerts. You had. Actually, when

672
00:31:00,599 --> 00:31:03,799
we do our Game of the Year streams, usually you

673
00:31:03,839 --> 00:31:05,519
are the one who technically sets it up. And it

674
00:31:05,599 --> 00:31:11,519
is quite technical. It's like four cameras, multiple sorry, multiple mics,

675
00:31:11,599 --> 00:31:12,880
multiple camera setups.

676
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:15,160
Speaker 4: I mean it's a big ordeal that.

677
00:31:15,119 --> 00:31:18,000
Speaker 3: You put it all together, unique alerts and everything, and

678
00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:19,559
you've figured it out.

679
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: Well. I think it's intimidating at first, because no, we

680
00:31:23,799 --> 00:31:27,279
need just kidding. I think it helped that, Like, you know,

681
00:31:27,319 --> 00:31:29,519
I did have a video production background and like editing

682
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:31,599
and shooting and stuff like that, so, like just knowing

683
00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:34,759
the general language helps, but like streaming and OBS is

684
00:31:34,759 --> 00:31:37,000
a different thing. But like OBS is kind of awesome.

685
00:31:37,200 --> 00:31:39,880
I like it. It's got it spinicky stuff. But wait,

686
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,079
you can do a lot with OBS. So yeah, yeah, yeah,

687
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,920
but no credit. Both of you was getting me into it.

688
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:46,799
But that was during the pandemic. That was like April

689
00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:48,079
twenty twenty. I started doing that.

690
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:50,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, you weren't alone. It was a lot of people

691
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:52,400
and it was a crazy time. But I saw like

692
00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,279
a lot of people like really freaking out, and I

693
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:56,799
was the only one that was like, I feel good.

694
00:31:57,000 --> 00:32:00,599
I feel completely fine. Little did I know that company's

695
00:32:00,640 --> 00:32:04,640
going to company. But I still have enjoyed my ride

696
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,519
where I am and it's been like really fascinating to

697
00:32:08,119 --> 00:32:12,240
observe just the culture of people talking about games evolve

698
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,640
over the last decade. It's changed quite significantly. But something

699
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,680
I really I have felt for as long as I

700
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:23,400
can is that it's just best to support private people,

701
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:27,519
private companies if you can stay local. That's why I've

702
00:32:27,519 --> 00:32:30,680
always been like, awesome next Landers doing their own thing.

703
00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:36,279
Support next Lander, you know, find people that make stuff

704
00:32:36,319 --> 00:32:39,000
that you love and support them directly and do it

705
00:32:39,039 --> 00:32:41,000
the best way that you can that works for them

706
00:32:41,079 --> 00:32:44,599
and allows them to live their life making awesome content

707
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:46,440
that you love. I think that's the way to go,

708
00:32:46,559 --> 00:32:49,119
and I think that will continue to be the trend.

709
00:32:49,599 --> 00:32:51,799
Speaker 2: I think there was a real flashpoint for that a

710
00:32:51,839 --> 00:32:53,960
couple of weeks ago. Obviously what happened to us happened,

711
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,839
and then Polygon was it was just a masker there

712
00:32:56,920 --> 00:32:57,119
like that.

713
00:32:57,480 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: That must have been hard for you.

714
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was hard to see for sure.

715
00:33:03,039 --> 00:33:06,559
Speaker 1: I reached out to a bunch of people, especially going

716
00:33:06,559 --> 00:33:09,000
to fucking veil net like vox Media, selling them to

717
00:33:09,079 --> 00:33:11,599
like I. You know, I'm sure there's good people working

718
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:13,960
a screen rat and game rant, but I can't recall

719
00:33:15,079 --> 00:33:17,240
two sites that made me want to throw my phone

720
00:33:17,279 --> 00:33:20,200
more than those two in terms of clickbait and add servable.

721
00:33:20,240 --> 00:33:24,519
Aside from fandom, well, I personally, I Mike Maharty personally

722
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:26,559
do not like fandom and never have because of how

723
00:33:26,559 --> 00:33:29,279
many ads they serve up on you scroll an inch

724
00:33:29,359 --> 00:33:31,279
and all I'm trying to fucking find out where this

725
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,440
last uh core ox seed is and now all of

726
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,599
a sudden, I'm getting an ad for porn Hub or something.

727
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,039
Speaker 2: But like, no.

728
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:45,359
Speaker 1: From porn Hub that my experience there and opinions about

729
00:33:45,359 --> 00:33:49,920
Fantom do not represent the rest of the cast. But yeah,

730
00:33:50,039 --> 00:33:51,920
the sites that vel net owns are close second to

731
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:53,799
ones I really fucking hate using.

732
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: So uh yeah, I feel for Polygon for sure.

733
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:00,160
Speaker 1: I still like have that muscle memory of going to

734
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,359
type in like pol and then I was like, oh fuck,

735
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,119
I don't. I mean, there's still some good people doing

736
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,200
There's still some good people there for sure, but they're

737
00:34:06,319 --> 00:34:08,119
not going to be allowed to do the really cool

738
00:34:08,119 --> 00:34:09,000
stuff that they want to do.

739
00:34:09,719 --> 00:34:10,079
Speaker 3: Uh.

740
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:14,039
Speaker 1: From what I understand of the the deal, the restructure.

741
00:34:13,679 --> 00:34:16,840
Speaker 3: Tackled down by corporate ding dongs once again, and you

742
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,039
have a you have truly escaped like such a wild place, Dan,

743
00:34:21,199 --> 00:34:24,079
I mean, it just seems crazy, especially considering how little

744
00:34:24,119 --> 00:34:25,400
you did to help.

745
00:34:26,079 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 2: To help, uh in what circumstance.

746
00:34:32,159 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 3: I think backlar and grubbed in a lot of the

747
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:36,800
heavy lifting.

748
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 2: It's all say, I did some good stuff that behind

749
00:34:44,920 --> 00:34:47,639
the scenes. Maybe don't know about all the good stuff

750
00:34:47,639 --> 00:34:52,360
I do behind the scenes about it. But the pulling together, Look,

751
00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:55,199
I know people, I maybe pulling together some sponsorships. It

752
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,519
might be person certain.

753
00:34:57,239 --> 00:35:02,719
Speaker 1: Stuff anti corporation suddenly wants to corporate sponsorship.

754
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,360
Speaker 2: No, I will totally I will take the corporate money

755
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,679
all day. I will absolutely do that. I got Twizzler's

756
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:13,039
nips to buy.

757
00:35:11,880 --> 00:35:13,039
Speaker 4: Nips should sponsor you.

758
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,519
Speaker 2: Guys, Mister hand super naps.

759
00:35:17,639 --> 00:35:19,039
Speaker 4: He thinks he's helping.

760
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,320
Speaker 2: I will take so much money from corporation.

761
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:27,880
Speaker 3: Back Alard Grub, We're probably like covered in sweat and

762
00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:30,400
room like looking at a computer. And Dan was like

763
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,480
looking out the window with a Twizzler in his mouth

764
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:33,880
and was like, is it happening or not?

765
00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:39,760
Speaker 2: When do we own it? Hurry up, guys, that was

766
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:43,480
taking something. The lawyers take so long. Don't hurry give

767
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,679
them money and then get it. And Simard.

768
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,519
Speaker 1: Dan Dance a guy who watches like a football games,

769
00:35:50,559 --> 00:35:52,280
like just run into the end zone and get more

770
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:53,039
points the other team.

771
00:35:53,079 --> 00:35:54,199
Speaker 2: It's fucking ship.

772
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 4: Catch the ball, throw it.

773
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:01,800
Speaker 2: Run that way. Go the guy who's an integral cog

774
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,760
in the machine, you.

775
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:08,119
Speaker 3: Were You're a backup cog in case one of the

776
00:36:08,159 --> 00:36:11,079
main cogs breaks.

777
00:36:11,159 --> 00:36:14,519
Speaker 2: Just to corporate Marionette, we they can't work without content

778
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:18,920
and you need someone to chiefly officer it. Meet the

779
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:20,559
new Meet the new CEO.

780
00:36:20,679 --> 00:36:25,199
Speaker 1: Same as the old CCO, ready to see, ready to

781
00:36:25,360 --> 00:36:28,119
ready to ready to sill out as long as you

782
00:36:28,199 --> 00:36:29,519
give him beers and nibs.

783
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,159
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, will work for nibs.

784
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 2: Yes, and six foot long subs.

785
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: And you can just hand people in a hotel lobby.

786
00:36:39,039 --> 00:36:41,039
Speaker 2: You can see more of that shit. Yeah, I'm waiting

787
00:36:41,039 --> 00:36:43,039
to see what you come up with next. Dude, No,

788
00:36:43,079 --> 00:36:45,800
that sounds expensive. You can't do that. Six foot longs

789
00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:49,480
after like forty bucks six fts. Oh my god, they

790
00:36:49,519 --> 00:36:52,000
were like one hundred and fifty each. Oh god, we

791
00:36:52,039 --> 00:36:54,920
spent over one thousand dollars on subs, Miss Jo.

792
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 1: Suddenly mister Corporate's missing his sandwich artisan slopping him together

793
00:36:59,039 --> 00:37:00,280
along its.

794
00:37:01,039 --> 00:37:04,079
Speaker 3: Six foot sub money coming from you guys. Stop it,

795
00:37:04,199 --> 00:37:05,840
stop it with these six foot subs.

796
00:37:07,039 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 2: We're scrappy now. I can't be buying six foot subs.

797
00:37:10,559 --> 00:37:13,679
Speaker 1: Corporate America's got its hand in everybody's pockets, even the

798
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:18,320
White Night Dan Riker. It's the same old song, same lyrics,

799
00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:21,519
just a different melody.

800
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:23,280
Speaker 2: I don't even know what you're saying about.

801
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:29,280
Speaker 4: Yeah, the game is the same, but the plan is different.

802
00:37:29,519 --> 00:37:30,760
Speaker 3: The players are the same.

803
00:37:32,119 --> 00:37:35,719
Speaker 1: I think I'm starting to like this guy, I said,

804
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,760
that recently, like in like in the actual context, and

805
00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:39,480
it felt great.

806
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:46,800
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I still hate you. Oh my god, you're

807
00:37:46,800 --> 00:37:54,199
wearing a bullet professor. It's awesome, all right. Uh, you

808
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:55,440
guys wanna talk about video games?

809
00:37:55,519 --> 00:37:55,719
Speaker 3: Yes?

810
00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:59,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, we believe it or not.

811
00:37:59,840 --> 00:38:03,320
Speaker 1: I've not all been on the same episode since Blue

812
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:05,599
Prince's review Embargo went out.

813
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,639
Speaker 2: That is so wild, so nineteen ninety seven.

814
00:38:10,119 --> 00:38:12,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it feels like it. Wow, And we've all been

815
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,360
playing it in our own world and at no point

816
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,039
have we ever had the time to just sit and

817
00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:19,599
talk to each other playing. And we're also I think

818
00:38:19,599 --> 00:38:23,079
at completely different levels. Like well, when I when I

819
00:38:23,119 --> 00:38:24,760
talk to you about it, you really hadn't played it.

820
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,760
You'd have only played like a couple days.

821
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had.

822
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: I told you in college that I really it was

823
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:32,679
not grabbing me. I think I expected to grab me

824
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:36,000
right away. Yes, but I have since played more. I

825
00:38:36,039 --> 00:38:38,760
want to say, I'm still only like day twenty or twenty.

826
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,199
I'm in the twenties somewhere. However, it has definitely started

827
00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,360
to I've had that like those Eureka moments where I

828
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:50,800
kind of see the bigger picture and the game has

829
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,079
not been out super super long, so I don't want

830
00:38:53,079 --> 00:38:54,559
to spoil stuff. We talked about this before, and I

831
00:38:54,599 --> 00:38:56,239
also don't want you got to spoil stuff thing because

832
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:56,920
you're both much.

833
00:38:56,760 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 2: Farther than I am.

834
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:01,440
Speaker 1: But there are those moments where Mary, you mentioned the

835
00:39:01,480 --> 00:39:04,360
Witness as a comparison on last episode, and I get

836
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,039
that now. It's like, oh, I didn't even realize that

837
00:39:07,079 --> 00:39:11,440
this part of the game was a bigger picture puzzle

838
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:14,920
and seeing how that fits together. Also, the farther you

839
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,840
get in, the more you're actually having to worry about

840
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:20,519
your foots, your steps, your energy. You're learning what different

841
00:39:20,559 --> 00:39:25,920
items how they function. You are finding rooms with a

842
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,639
computer or with like a little note that seems innocuous

843
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:31,000
until like six days later when you're like, oh, right,

844
00:39:31,039 --> 00:39:34,480
I did write that down in my notebook. I'm starting

845
00:39:34,559 --> 00:39:37,480
to see the actual Rogue Light elements where I'm getting

846
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,119
permanent upgrades, which feels awesome because now I start with

847
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:42,639
X or Y as opposed to just starting from scratch.

848
00:39:43,199 --> 00:39:46,559
I'm finding new room types every run that I didn't

849
00:39:46,559 --> 00:39:51,559
know existed. I'm starting to learn how to balance. Okay,

850
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:53,840
so I can have this experiment running from the laboratory,

851
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:56,599
which will help me buff or help me toward this

852
00:39:56,679 --> 00:40:00,119
goal with the commissary if I get a commissary, so

853
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:03,239
like they this thing says on these days, I'll get

854
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:07,920
a discount. However, it's a lie because this other note

855
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:10,239
told me that these memos are not to be trusted.

856
00:40:10,679 --> 00:40:12,639
Speaker 3: That's an interesting but the dark Board.

857
00:40:12,519 --> 00:40:15,039
Speaker 1: Puzzle, Like I figured out the dark Board puzzle by myself,

858
00:40:15,039 --> 00:40:16,880
but it took me a bit, but then I found

859
00:40:16,920 --> 00:40:20,960
a note about it later. The there's some like resident

860
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:23,840
evil level puzzles going on with like the fuse box.

861
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:26,119
When I finally did the fuse box kind of stuff

862
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,079
like have you the pump room no?

863
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 2: Yea yeah yeah, hyeah.

864
00:40:32,039 --> 00:40:34,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, fucking pump room pisses me off. That's like the

865
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:36,920
only one where I like really struggled with it because

866
00:40:36,960 --> 00:40:40,719
it did not I like don't understand like how some

867
00:40:40,800 --> 00:40:44,239
tubes don't want to go up or down, And that

868
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:47,119
one was frustrating for me. But it was really fun

869
00:40:48,199 --> 00:40:54,519
the very first time I drained the fountain, and I

870
00:40:54,559 --> 00:40:57,440
was just like, that's such an eye opener to be

871
00:40:57,480 --> 00:40:59,760
able to do stuff like that. And so it's been

872
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:05,039
really have you, Mike, have you been able to get

873
00:41:05,039 --> 00:41:10,639
to the garage or have you had luck with the garage?

874
00:41:11,199 --> 00:41:12,280
Speaker 2: Trying to figure out how to say.

875
00:41:12,119 --> 00:41:14,079
Speaker 3: This, I'm trying to say this in a delicate way.

876
00:41:14,440 --> 00:41:15,480
You don't know what's going.

877
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,280
Speaker 1: The game is bigger than I thought it was, and

878
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,880
I have discovered some other stuff going on, And there's

879
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,480
stuff like in the distance through windows and like hah,

880
00:41:23,519 --> 00:41:25,599
that seems like it might be a thing later. But

881
00:41:25,639 --> 00:41:27,880
then there's also stuff where it's like why would I

882
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,159
want to set up an experiment? And I don't actually

883
00:41:30,159 --> 00:41:32,039
know this not being coy, I'm still figuring out why

884
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,559
this would be beneficial. But the experiments say like okay,

885
00:41:34,599 --> 00:41:38,239
if this then that if you choose a green room,

886
00:41:38,599 --> 00:41:41,480
then we'll split spread dirt over the driveway, Like what

887
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:42,800
the why would what?

888
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:43,400
Speaker 2: Why would you?

889
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, So like there's still like quite a lot of

890
00:41:46,039 --> 00:41:51,800
mystery going on. I discovered the sprint, Like everybody's gone

891
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:52,320
to the rapture.

892
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,559
Speaker 2: I didn't know the sprinting so funny. It's not like

893
00:41:55,599 --> 00:41:59,159
a super no, but it's still I don't not use

894
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:01,400
it though, like all the time. Yeah.

895
00:42:01,519 --> 00:42:05,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, But there's there's also like really tense moments too

896
00:42:06,079 --> 00:42:10,079
where I find terminal or something that's like oh fuck,

897
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:13,159
I missed a key somewhere. I don't know where it was,

898
00:42:13,199 --> 00:42:14,519
and I don't have the metal detectors, So now I

899
00:42:14,559 --> 00:42:16,400
need to go through every room with a fine tooth comb.

900
00:42:17,119 --> 00:42:18,639
Speaker 2: But I need to backtrack quite a bit.

901
00:42:18,679 --> 00:42:21,760
Speaker 1: I have the sneakers, so I'm saving one footstep every

902
00:42:22,199 --> 00:42:25,599
few rooms. Yep, uh oh right, there's a bedroom that

903
00:42:25,679 --> 00:42:27,400
along that path, so I should go through the bedroom.

904
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:30,400
But then I'm getting toward I think it's in this room,

905
00:42:30,400 --> 00:42:31,800
and I'm almost running out of steps, so and then

906
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:33,559
it gets tense, like are the sneakers going to work

907
00:42:33,599 --> 00:42:35,320
before I get to that room, which then has the key,

908
00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:38,079
which then I can, you know, hopefully make my way back.

909
00:42:38,079 --> 00:42:41,559
There's stuff like that where the different layers of the

910
00:42:41,559 --> 00:42:44,119
game are starting to coalesce in a way that it

911
00:42:44,199 --> 00:42:47,320
seems way more compelling than I initially thought it was.

912
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:50,440
Speaker 2: So yeah, I would keep unfolding and unfolding, and like

913
00:42:50,480 --> 00:42:52,079
it's the point where it's like I did stop at

914
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:55,159
a certain point, but you know, I played sixty hours,

915
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,760
seventy hours something like that, and I could still see that, like,

916
00:42:58,199 --> 00:43:00,840
oh boy, there is way more I could do if

917
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:02,760
I want to dive all the way in like I

918
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:04,719
feel like there must have been thirty percent of the

919
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:08,280
game left, but I did stop playing just because it's

920
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:12,519
like it would require a crazy amount of further investment,

921
00:43:12,679 --> 00:43:15,079
you know, Like it's not that I wasn't enjoying it anymore,

922
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:16,880
it's just like I do need to play something besides

923
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:17,840
this game at this point, you.

924
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 3: Know, I understand. I think I'm also there. So I

925
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:25,039
had the flight to Boston for packs, and so I

926
00:43:25,199 --> 00:43:28,000
had five hours to kill both ways, and I played

927
00:43:28,360 --> 00:43:32,079
a good amount of Blueprints again just to see, like

928
00:43:32,119 --> 00:43:34,920
what the late game has to offer. I'm still trying

929
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:39,039
to figure out. There's like a power room that gives

930
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,639
you like is it a boiler room, but it gives

931
00:43:41,639 --> 00:43:44,719
you power and you can route to another room. Yes,

932
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,880
really interesting ways. My problem now is that I have

933
00:43:48,960 --> 00:43:52,320
a goal in mind, but because of the RNG nature

934
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:56,119
of this game, I am constantly derailed or like pivoted,

935
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:00,280
and I try and say with a good attitude the

936
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,400
best of every day, like don't let it bother you,

937
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:06,119
but it fucking does. Because I do know what I

938
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:07,760
want to do, and if I just don't get the

939
00:44:07,840 --> 00:44:09,719
layout the way I want it, then I just fucking

940
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:10,840
ruined the whole day.

941
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:13,119
Speaker 2: Do you can you say without it being too spoilery,

942
00:44:13,159 --> 00:44:14,320
what the thing is you're trying to do.

943
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:19,480
Speaker 4: I'm trying to power the science room.

944
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 2: Okay, that one took me. That was frustrating for me too,

945
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,679
because like you specifically need like and there are things

946
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,159
you can do where it's like, oh, if I do

947
00:44:26,280 --> 00:44:28,800
this thing, it'll make it so mechanical rooms pop up

948
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:31,239
more often and things like that, but like there's nobody's

949
00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:33,159
like guarantee it still beholden.

950
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:34,960
Speaker 3: The only thing that's like happened to me that's been

951
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:38,119
really beneficial is I've like now I'm consistently getting those

952
00:44:38,119 --> 00:44:40,760
reroll dye and like that gives me better odds, but

953
00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:44,400
even still I'm screwed all the time. I've also been

954
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:47,599
trying to get all of the classrooms, and I almost

955
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:50,519
always around, like cause I think I think there's eight

956
00:44:50,559 --> 00:44:54,440
classrooms and around four or five. I just they just

957
00:44:54,519 --> 00:44:58,000
stop giving them to me, which I think is bullshit. Obviously,

958
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:01,719
if I am going for the classroom run and I've

959
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,159
opened five classrooms, the game knows that I'm going for

960
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:08,760
a classroom run, and it keeps giving me fucking hallways

961
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:10,480
and a part of me just wants to be like,

962
00:45:10,760 --> 00:45:12,679
you know exactly, this is an orange. You guys are

963
00:45:12,719 --> 00:45:15,320
fucking me intentionally because you you want me to keep

964
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,039
doing this and try and get more classrooms, Like give

965
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:19,199
me the fucking class If.

966
00:45:19,039 --> 00:45:21,800
Speaker 2: You're trying to do the eight classrooms thing, are you

967
00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:25,440
doing the thing that bitch? There is something that you

968
00:45:25,480 --> 00:45:29,360
can do that really helps with that. I mean, you would.

969
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,239
This is not like a crazy spoiler. I don't think, No, don't,

970
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:32,519
I don't.

971
00:45:32,519 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: I don't even know about the classroom thing, so don't

972
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:36,880
for a second take care. But I also think it

973
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:38,599
might be a spoiler for people listening because there's a

974
00:45:38,639 --> 00:45:40,159
lot of room types I don't even know about that.

975
00:45:40,159 --> 00:45:40,599
Speaker 2: It's a spoil.

976
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,480
Speaker 5: Take off your head.

977
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 2: And if you need to listener the shelter, there's a

978
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,039
thing you can do if you somebody if it's like

979
00:45:49,039 --> 00:45:51,800
a classroom adjacent thing, and it adds like eight classrooms

980
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:56,400
to deck. So don't even try for the classroom thing

981
00:45:56,440 --> 00:46:02,159
unless you do the shelter first. Fine, we told the

982
00:46:02,199 --> 00:46:04,719
listeners the mute as well. I guess I just.

983
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:06,559
Speaker 3: Don't know what I don't know. And this reminds me

984
00:46:06,599 --> 00:46:08,639
of animal Well, which seems like a weird game to

985
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:10,840
compare this too, but Animal Well was also the same

986
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:12,920
where it was like, we're not going to tell you shit,

987
00:46:13,079 --> 00:46:15,639
figure it out. And there were times in Animal Well

988
00:46:15,679 --> 00:46:19,599
where I was like, I can't believe that the disc

989
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:22,159
is rideable and that this is like a travel thing

990
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,480
and like the yo yo is so it does does

991
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,440
all these other things. That is really fun to become

992
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:30,760
aware of it. It's also insanely frustrating to play a

993
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:33,960
game for thirty hours and be like, oh my god,

994
00:46:34,280 --> 00:46:36,320
this was something that I could have done the whole time,

995
00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,320
the whole time, the whole time, the whole time. It

996
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,360
just irks me a little bit, and I just think

997
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:45,679
that is it is not a bad thing for the way.

998
00:46:45,480 --> 00:46:46,320
Speaker 4: This game was designed.

999
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:47,800
Speaker 3: I think what I'm trying to say is like it

1000
00:46:47,840 --> 00:46:50,440
is intentional what they have done, and I think they've

1001
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,480
made an intentionally great game, But I think you have

1002
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:57,000
to have extraordinary patience, and I don't always have the

1003
00:46:57,039 --> 00:46:59,920
patience that this game requires. So it's not a game problem,

1004
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,320
it's a me problem. But I've gotten to the point

1005
00:47:02,360 --> 00:47:04,360
now where I also don't know if I'm going to

1006
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,360
play it anymore because I'm running out of patience with

1007
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,920
like not getting the run I want or getting getting

1008
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:11,880
something in my way when I know what I'm trying

1009
00:47:11,920 --> 00:47:12,199
to do.

1010
00:47:13,079 --> 00:47:16,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like I still know anyone for everyone I

1011
00:47:16,079 --> 00:47:18,440
know that loves this game, and it's most people that

1012
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:20,760
have played it that I know. I don't know anyone

1013
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,199
that's been like, yep, did all this stuff? Like, I

1014
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:25,400
think there is going to be that point for everyone,

1015
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:27,000
regardless of how much you like it.

1016
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like with something like Haites or Dead Cells,

1017
00:47:31,119 --> 00:47:33,599
the action oriented games, those are easier to forgive when

1018
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:35,519
things aren't going your way because the moment to moment

1019
00:47:35,559 --> 00:47:39,360
gameplay is still so like enticing and fast paced, whereas

1020
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,800
this is like a literal can be a like plotting

1021
00:47:41,880 --> 00:47:43,840
pace through the mansion that you're building.

1022
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:48,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's RNG is great, and I think

1023
00:47:48,599 --> 00:47:51,480
the game is expertly designed, so it's not it's not

1024
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:53,119
a ding on the game. It's just more of like,

1025
00:47:53,199 --> 00:47:56,360
am I in the mood to try for something and

1026
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,400
never have it happened to me after six hours?

1027
00:47:58,519 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 4: That is something you have to be in the mood for.

1028
00:48:00,239 --> 00:48:02,079
Speaker 3: And I would almost even also say like that's compar

1029
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,320
Oh my god, I can't speak today. Comparable to Blatro.

1030
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:07,559
I tried to say, compare in Bolotro, and I said

1031
00:48:07,559 --> 00:48:12,440
compar whereas like, you can have an excellent run in Blatro,

1032
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:16,199
but if you get a blind that's a real motherfucker.

1033
00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:17,480
Speaker 4: Your run's over.

1034
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:19,800
Speaker 2: Like yeah, and once you go further in it too,

1035
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:21,280
like you know, Bank was trying to get all the

1036
00:48:21,320 --> 00:48:24,400
gold steaks and then oh yeah, like and at that point,

1037
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:27,360
like she says, she knows within a couple like anties

1038
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:29,119
that like, Okay, this is not gonna be the run.

1039
00:48:29,119 --> 00:48:31,239
You have to like be perfect from the beginning, you know.

1040
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's true.

1041
00:48:32,320 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 3: So it's that's why I say that, because I think

1042
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:37,280
Blatro is brilliant. I think it's like perfectly sculpted, but

1043
00:48:37,320 --> 00:48:39,480
it will frustrate you if you were if you think

1044
00:48:39,519 --> 00:48:41,920
you're in a good way, the game RNG will get you.

1045
00:48:42,679 --> 00:48:46,199
Speaker 2: Yep. Well it's probably a good segue because Doom the Dark

1046
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:51,559
Age seems very similar to Blueprints, like similar the same. Yeah,

1047
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,440
once you get once you get the gun that crushes

1048
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:56,679
up all the skulls and blueprints, it really a lot

1049
00:48:56,679 --> 00:48:57,920
of stuff that's.

1050
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,480
Speaker 3: A real game changer. Yeah, take that, Rampa.

1051
00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, the shield saw once it's up greater than Blueprints

1052
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,480
is fucking sweet. This is Babbage.

1053
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:08,800
Speaker 1: The boss fight is pretty pretty gnarly. It can be

1054
00:49:08,840 --> 00:49:11,239
pretty How's dark ages?

1055
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 3: You played it like itking it? Yeah?

1056
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,599
Speaker 2: With that shield dash Mary, that is that feat every time?

1057
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 3: It's crazy like they they knew the juice that it

1058
00:49:23,119 --> 00:49:25,519
was gonna make me freak out. I I literally I

1059
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:27,719
tweeted this and I and I mean it. In the

1060
00:49:27,760 --> 00:49:31,480
first three chapters, I said fuck yeah a dozen times.

1061
00:49:31,719 --> 00:49:34,280
I said it out loud. And it's it's not just

1062
00:49:34,320 --> 00:49:37,480
the mechanics that they really nailed. It's the environment and

1063
00:49:37,519 --> 00:49:40,039
the feeling that they want the player to have. They

1064
00:49:40,159 --> 00:49:40,760
nailed it.

1065
00:49:41,119 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 4: They knew that.

1066
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 3: When you were at the top of like, uh, like

1067
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:46,920
a hill and you're about to drop down, you know

1068
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:48,400
that there's gonna be a bunch of ship that's gonna

1069
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,000
hit the fan. And as soon as you're dropping, they

1070
00:49:52,119 --> 00:49:55,559
just increase and pump the metal music like crazy, so

1071
00:49:55,599 --> 00:50:00,000
that you feel the rush of murdering and destroying demons

1072
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:01,559
with your bare fucking hands.

1073
00:50:01,639 --> 00:50:02,719
Speaker 4: It feels fucking good.

1074
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:05,880
Speaker 3: And then on top of that, the evolution of this

1075
00:50:05,920 --> 00:50:07,960
game is really interesting too, where they were like, we're

1076
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,880
gonna put crazy shit in the background, like giant mech

1077
00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:15,760
looking devils, like huge beings in the background and they're

1078
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:18,840
competing and fighting with each other, And was so sick.

1079
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:20,199
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe it.

1080
00:50:20,199 --> 00:50:21,440
Speaker 3: When I was like in the middle of a fight

1081
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:23,559
and I look in the background and there's like two

1082
00:50:24,199 --> 00:50:27,920
giant beasts like killing each other in the background, stomping

1083
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,360
on little players my size in the back.

1084
00:50:30,440 --> 00:50:33,320
Speaker 4: It was awesome, like I they nailed it.

1085
00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:35,159
Speaker 2: Or when it's like it puts you in the uh.

1086
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:37,840
It was at the Atlan the mech and you are

1087
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:41,079
suddenly like Kaiju size, and there's just bridges of like

1088
00:50:41,159 --> 00:50:43,239
tons of enemies that if you were dude size then

1089
00:50:43,280 --> 00:50:45,519
they would be terrible. But you're just walking through it,

1090
00:50:45,559 --> 00:50:47,239
and you get that super gun that gets like super

1091
00:50:47,320 --> 00:50:49,400
charge if you get a perfect dodge, and you're just

1092
00:50:49,559 --> 00:50:53,360
monsters that you're shooting with this turret basically, and chunks

1093
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,199
of meat are just flying off whatever part you're shooting.

1094
00:50:56,199 --> 00:50:58,400
You're shooting their left thigh. All of the meat is

1095
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,199
just getting off of it.

1096
00:51:01,199 --> 00:51:05,840
Speaker 3: It isster It's so satisfying. And they have the death

1097
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:08,679
animations just like the previous one.

1098
00:51:08,760 --> 00:51:10,199
Speaker 4: So if you liked the last Doom.

1099
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:12,760
Speaker 3: They do that thing where like if they're purple or

1100
00:51:12,760 --> 00:51:14,960
if they're like shiny, a certain way you can hit

1101
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:16,719
a finish your button and then that they play a

1102
00:51:16,760 --> 00:51:19,800
finishing animation and the finishing animations and doom or exactly

1103
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:22,639
as you would expect. They open up the mouth, they

1104
00:51:22,719 --> 00:51:25,599
vomit into their throats, and then they rip them apart,

1105
00:51:25,639 --> 00:51:28,880
like it's gross, it's fucking cool. It looks so sick.

1106
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:32,000
They they knew their audience, they knew exactly what they

1107
00:51:32,000 --> 00:51:34,280
were going for, and they went for it on this one.

1108
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 4: Like it is just it's just everything that you want.

1109
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 3: I do have a couple of gripes with it, but

1110
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,960
I'm loving it and I and I am really looking

1111
00:51:40,960 --> 00:51:43,440
forward to playing more. And I've also enjoyed the upgrade system,

1112
00:51:44,039 --> 00:51:46,280
which Dan you were talking about, like upgrading your shield

1113
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,719
so you can have like more dashes. I've upgraded certain

1114
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,519
guns that they have, like flame bullets and things like that.

1115
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:54,519
Speaker 2: It's been fun well and it's smart too that like

1116
00:51:54,599 --> 00:51:57,199
you know, it's got the radio weaponmanu, and it just

1117
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,519
kind of puts like, okay, here's like the energy weapons here.

1118
00:51:59,599 --> 00:52:02,039
So you've got to couple like blue kind of plasma

1119
00:52:02,079 --> 00:52:03,679
weapons and you can just hit X on the fly

1120
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:05,960
to like it almost feels like an alternate buyer, even

1121
00:52:05,960 --> 00:52:07,920
if it's a different yeam. So it's like the shotgun.

1122
00:52:07,960 --> 00:52:10,000
You hit X, it turns into the super shotgun and

1123
00:52:10,039 --> 00:52:12,760
it doesn't get overwhelming the way that Doom Maternal did.

1124
00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:15,880
It's like Doom Maternal, like, you know, the first couple hours,

1125
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:18,039
it's oh, cool, cool, cool, but then it like kept

1126
00:52:18,079 --> 00:52:19,880
adding stuff and kept adding stuff, and it's like, well,

1127
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,480
if this thing, you can do it this way or this,

1128
00:52:21,599 --> 00:52:25,440
Like it just it got a little bogged down. You know.

1129
00:52:25,559 --> 00:52:27,639
You get the flame thrower, and then like they kept

1130
00:52:27,639 --> 00:52:30,719
adding stuff on top of that, and it's like I

1131
00:52:30,719 --> 00:52:33,000
feel like I have to think too, Like I only

1132
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:35,480
want to think a certain amount in a doom game.

1133
00:52:35,639 --> 00:52:37,639
You know, Yeah, you've.

1134
00:52:37,519 --> 00:52:39,400
Speaker 1: Already got a hammer. You don't need six more ways

1135
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:40,679
to hit a nail into something.

1136
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:42,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the good way to put it. Where It's

1137
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:43,880
like I want enough stuff to where I feel like

1138
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:45,400
I can switch between a bunch of weapons on the

1139
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,440
fly and kill a whole arena full of bad guys.

1140
00:52:47,639 --> 00:52:50,199
But I don't want to constantly be having to think

1141
00:52:50,199 --> 00:52:51,679
of like, Okay, I should do this now and I'll

1142
00:52:51,679 --> 00:52:53,760
switch to this, but then like it's it got to

1143
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,519
be a little overwhelming an Eternal, I think they have

1144
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:56,920
found a sweet spot in this one.

1145
00:52:57,079 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 3: I think so too. I think they also opened it up.

1146
00:52:59,079 --> 00:53:00,800
Some of my problems with The Eternal was that they

1147
00:53:00,840 --> 00:53:03,519
would put you in these pretty thin corridors where you

1148
00:53:03,519 --> 00:53:06,760
would have to face these shield enemies from a very

1149
00:53:06,800 --> 00:53:10,800
specific direction, the front, and that's really annoying because it

1150
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,519
means you had to approach them in a very specific way.

1151
00:53:13,559 --> 00:53:16,159
You had to be able to parry and then shoot

1152
00:53:16,199 --> 00:53:18,440
them to get rid of the shield. It's fine, that's

1153
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,239
what they were teaching you, but it's very limiting. This

1154
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,760
game is kind of more sandboxy that when you fall,

1155
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:27,159
they usually drop you in a very open environment, So

1156
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:31,719
if you want to sprint around and grab them from

1157
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,719
behind and kill them, you can do that. If you

1158
00:53:35,280 --> 00:53:37,199
want to do what Dan was saying, there's this like

1159
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:41,119
awesome shield thing where you'd like dash shield into someone

1160
00:53:41,159 --> 00:53:43,760
and they essentially explode. When you do that, you just

1161
00:53:43,840 --> 00:53:47,159
run around exploding people and that's very satisfying.

1162
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:49,360
Speaker 4: So I can just play it my way this time.

1163
00:53:49,599 --> 00:53:51,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's like groups. So like you'll go into

1164
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,800
a group with a shield dash and that'll decimate everyone

1165
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,159
in a certain radius. So fine. And then there are

1166
00:53:56,159 --> 00:53:58,760
these guys that have different shields that they have shields

1167
00:53:58,760 --> 00:54:00,960
where it's like, okay, if they have an energy shield,

1168
00:54:00,960 --> 00:54:02,960
if I use an energy weapon on that blue thing

1169
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:04,880
and you can see it from far away, you can

1170
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:07,599
shoot it and that'll explode everyone near them. Or if

1171
00:54:07,679 --> 00:54:10,840
people have metal shields, whether that's like body armor or

1172
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:13,639
holding it, if you shoot it with enough bullets, it'll

1173
00:54:13,639 --> 00:54:16,039
heat up and you'll see it get like bright red,

1174
00:54:16,239 --> 00:54:19,000
and then you throw your shield saw at it and

1175
00:54:19,039 --> 00:54:21,800
it explodes cloths. So yeah, if you want to like

1176
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:23,639
be an idiot, you can try to take them all out,

1177
00:54:23,679 --> 00:54:25,559
you know, with just whatever gun you've got, or you

1178
00:54:25,599 --> 00:54:27,639
can just kill them this huge fell swoop with the

1179
00:54:27,679 --> 00:54:28,159
right weapon.

1180
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:31,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've been not thinking it through. I've been doing

1181
00:54:31,679 --> 00:54:33,639
the opposite of probably what the game has been trying

1182
00:54:33,679 --> 00:54:34,400
to get me to learn.

1183
00:54:34,639 --> 00:54:35,719
Speaker 4: I like running around.

1184
00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 3: I've been dashing around in the little spaces and just

1185
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:40,559
shooting them in the head, mostly with my like little

1186
00:54:40,599 --> 00:54:43,239
sniper rifle thing that I've just enjoyed. I just think

1187
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:45,559
it's fun to use, it's easy. And when I run

1188
00:54:45,559 --> 00:54:48,920
out of those bullets, I go to Faithful shotgun and

1189
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:50,679
I just bop them with my shield and shoot them

1190
00:54:50,679 --> 00:54:52,280
in the head until they're dead. And I don't have

1191
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,519
to think about it that much. I feel very strongly.

1192
00:54:54,599 --> 00:54:56,360
You were kind of alluding to this earlier, but I

1193
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:57,960
just feel really strongly when I play do them. I

1194
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:00,719
don't want to be like, what's the strategy here? It's

1195
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,599
like are you are you out of your mind? I

1196
00:55:02,639 --> 00:55:05,559
want to like completely close my entire brain off. I

1197
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:08,119
want to enjoy this experience and that's all I care

1198
00:55:08,159 --> 00:55:08,840
about right now.

1199
00:55:09,199 --> 00:55:11,360
Speaker 2: But the visual language is also really good where it's

1200
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:13,239
like it teaches you early that like if you see

1201
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:16,119
a bright green thing come in your way, hit lt

1202
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,800
to parry, parry shield and that cares you know. There's

1203
00:55:18,840 --> 00:55:21,119
dragon levels, there's mech levels and on foot levels, and

1204
00:55:21,159 --> 00:55:23,719
that language stays the same throughout where it's like if

1205
00:55:23,719 --> 00:55:26,239
they're throwing orange energy at you block it or get

1206
00:55:26,239 --> 00:55:28,320
out of the way if it's green pariot, and that

1207
00:55:28,400 --> 00:55:30,119
might put them in like a stagger sat and you can.

1208
00:55:30,039 --> 00:55:33,079
Speaker 3: Go in reflex Yeah, reflex brain, I would say, like

1209
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:35,960
one of the things that they tried to do that

1210
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,360
I wasn't as stoked about is that there's like these

1211
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:40,960
mini bosses at the end of chapters that I think

1212
00:55:41,559 --> 00:55:43,320
are a bit inspired by Returnal.

1213
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:45,719
Speaker 4: There they just throw a lot.

1214
00:55:45,599 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 2: Of balls at you and a bullet hell. Yeah, it is.

1215
00:55:48,840 --> 00:55:49,559
Speaker 4: Very bullet hell.

1216
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,840
Speaker 3: I just think that when you're doing something that is

1217
00:55:53,039 --> 00:55:55,719
quite similar to Returnal. The reality is is that these

1218
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:58,320
boss fights aren't even nearly on the level of Returnal.

1219
00:55:58,599 --> 00:56:00,760
And so when I was experienced them, I was like,

1220
00:56:00,800 --> 00:56:03,639
I feel like there was inspiration here, but you cannot

1221
00:56:03,639 --> 00:56:05,000
pull off what Returnal was doing.

1222
00:56:05,079 --> 00:56:07,159
Speaker 1: And a party was like Eternal was doing stuff like

1223
00:56:07,199 --> 00:56:10,960
that before Returnal or sorry, the first Doom was doing

1224
00:56:10,960 --> 00:56:12,960
stuff like that too. It got pretty bullet helly with

1225
00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:15,199
some mini bosses. But to your point, Returnal definitely did

1226
00:56:15,199 --> 00:56:16,159
it better than that day.

1227
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:19,519
Speaker 2: They just did that is what like Housemark does is

1228
00:56:19,559 --> 00:56:22,639
they make like really sweet Bullet Hill type game. Sure, yeah,

1229
00:56:22,800 --> 00:56:25,199
Doom was never on the level of that with Bullet

1230
00:56:25,239 --> 00:56:26,440
Hill specifically, Yeah, I.

1231
00:56:26,440 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: Think it's like put it on another level. I think

1232
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:31,199
they're simplified versions of it still, right, these are mini

1233
00:56:31,199 --> 00:56:33,880
boss fights. They're not like meant to be crazy powerhouses,

1234
00:56:33,880 --> 00:56:36,440
but they are much more difficult enemies with a lot

1235
00:56:36,480 --> 00:56:38,840
more health, and they're shooting lots of balls at you,

1236
00:56:39,199 --> 00:56:41,519
and most of the time in these fights, the only

1237
00:56:41,559 --> 00:56:43,280
way to win is to parry the green balls. Like

1238
00:56:43,280 --> 00:56:45,280
that's the only way you're actually going to knock their

1239
00:56:45,320 --> 00:56:49,880
health down with any efficiency. So I got adjusted to

1240
00:56:49,960 --> 00:56:52,960
doing that. I did not find them as satisfying, but

1241
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:55,079
I got through them. The other thing that I did,

1242
00:56:55,159 --> 00:56:57,880
I feel like I haven't heard anyone say this, but

1243
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,679
like I don't care for the dragons.

1244
00:57:00,239 --> 00:57:02,519
Speaker 2: I don't care for I think if they did it

1245
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:05,000
too much, I would not like it. But you know,

1246
00:57:05,079 --> 00:57:08,199
I'm eight nine chapters in and it's only one chapter

1247
00:57:08,239 --> 00:57:09,119
has been a Dragon one.

1248
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 3: There's only been one Dragon chapter.

1249
00:57:11,039 --> 00:57:13,119
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, so I'm sure there will be another

1250
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:15,239
one or two by the end. And I liked it.

1251
00:57:15,360 --> 00:57:17,519
Like even in the Dragon one, you will like do

1252
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,559
a little bit of dragon combat stuff and then you

1253
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,039
will land, you'll get off and then you know, you'll

1254
00:57:22,039 --> 00:57:24,360
go around to the dude. Yeah, and then big ending

1255
00:57:24,400 --> 00:57:26,079
and you fly through the air and land on the

1256
00:57:26,119 --> 00:57:28,400
dragon again. Like it was just a vehicle kind of

1257
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:29,400
getting from thing to the thing.

1258
00:57:29,719 --> 00:57:31,559
Speaker 3: You're right, it is a vehicle, and I think in

1259
00:57:31,599 --> 00:57:33,519
that sense, like I'm fine with it. I think when

1260
00:57:33,519 --> 00:57:36,400
it ended, I remember saying to myself like I didn't

1261
00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:38,280
care for the dragon, which is such an amazing thing

1262
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:40,360
to say, because the first time they gave me the

1263
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:42,320
option to get in a dragon, I was like, you're

1264
00:57:42,559 --> 00:57:46,280
you're crazy that they made this. It's so awesome that

1265
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:49,599
they added a level where you're riding a freaking dragon.

1266
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:53,719
It's like, hats off to them, But ultimately, it's just

1267
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,079
not what I'm there to do. I'm not there to

1268
00:57:56,079 --> 00:57:58,320
play a dragon or ride in a dragon. I'm there

1269
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:03,320
to shoot a gun that crushes skulls and shoots the

1270
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:06,480
shards of their skull at my enemies. And that is

1271
00:58:06,639 --> 00:58:10,360
genuinely where this game shines. The guns are so fun,

1272
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:13,960
they're expertly designed, they're joy to look at, like they're

1273
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:17,280
just they're like chunky and thick, and the sound effects

1274
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:19,440
of this game are so fucking good, Like this is

1275
00:58:19,440 --> 00:58:21,199
where the game is at its best.

1276
00:58:21,360 --> 00:58:24,320
Speaker 2: Have you got the grenade launcher? Oh? Yes, that is

1277
00:58:24,360 --> 00:58:29,400
a cool looking grenade launcher, Like the balls themselves like, yeah.

1278
00:58:28,400 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 4: This game and its balls, they knew what they.

1279
00:58:31,400 --> 00:58:34,239
Speaker 2: Were doing, oh ooh category best Balls of the year. Okay,

1280
00:58:34,440 --> 00:58:35,960
all right, okay, yep oka, I think we have the

1281
00:58:36,000 --> 00:58:37,280
doc Yeah, okay, great.

1282
00:58:38,440 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, I love that stuff.

1283
00:58:40,440 --> 00:58:42,880
Speaker 3: I just think it's important that when you're evolving, and

1284
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:45,159
obviously when they were making this game, they were thinking, like,

1285
00:58:45,760 --> 00:58:48,719
what how do we make this better than the last one.

1286
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:50,679
We're not making the same game. We have to like

1287
00:58:50,719 --> 00:58:53,039
think about how we're evolving it. And I think they

1288
00:58:53,079 --> 00:58:56,239
did think about some inspirational things.

1289
00:58:56,280 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 4: The mechs are.

1290
00:58:57,039 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 3: Sick like, the dragons are really cool evolutionary concept. I

1291
00:59:01,360 --> 00:59:04,159
do think they came up with brand new gun designs

1292
00:59:04,239 --> 00:59:08,159
and brand new ways for you to kill people, and generally,

1293
00:59:08,239 --> 00:59:10,800
like all of these have been excellent decisions they have.

1294
00:59:10,920 --> 00:59:12,559
They have done a good job with this game, and

1295
00:59:12,599 --> 00:59:15,559
everyone is going to love it, like Doom is good

1296
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:16,719
and even like.

1297
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:18,320
Speaker 2: The look of it. I was, I was like, is

1298
00:59:18,360 --> 00:59:20,239
it going to be too like fantasy?

1299
00:59:20,559 --> 00:59:20,760
Speaker 1: You know?

1300
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's a doom game. It's you've just

1301
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:25,159
got tons of guns and stuff like, yeah, sure there's

1302
00:59:25,199 --> 00:59:27,880
some castles and dragons, but even those are like very doomified.

1303
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,199
So no, if you if you like Doom, this has

1304
00:59:30,239 --> 00:59:34,639
the tone of a doom game. I agree, good stuff.

1305
00:59:35,960 --> 00:59:38,000
What a Shotgun cop Man?

1306
00:59:38,239 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 3: Oh Dan and I both played this, which I think

1307
00:59:40,840 --> 00:59:48,119
is really funny. I don't know this is a Devolver Spech.

1308
00:59:46,599 --> 00:59:49,760
Speaker 2: The developer of my friend Pedro the Banana game.

1309
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:51,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, which is also a pretty interesting game.

1310
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:54,280
I believe this is a solo dev and it's very

1311
00:59:54,360 --> 00:59:58,360
unassuming visually. This is like kind of garbage looking like

1312
00:59:58,360 --> 00:59:59,920
you're like this little look.

1313
01:00:00,679 --> 01:00:01,039
Speaker 2: I think it.

1314
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:05,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, And they have funny animations, like the very first

1315
01:00:05,880 --> 01:00:08,039
thing that happens because you are Shotgun cop Man, your

1316
01:00:08,119 --> 01:00:10,159
job is to go to Hell and arrest Satan. And

1317
01:00:10,199 --> 01:00:11,760
the very first thing that happens when you get dropped

1318
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,119
off in the game is Satan shows up and you go,

1319
01:00:14,679 --> 01:00:17,960
I'm taking you in, Satan, and Satan goes, fuck you

1320
01:00:18,119 --> 01:00:21,000
shock Shotgun cop Man, and then he runs away, and

1321
01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:22,880
then you have to go through these levels.

1322
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 4: I'm really curious, Dan, what you think.

1323
01:00:25,519 --> 01:00:28,800
Speaker 3: I think where this game really shines is it the

1324
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:33,159
mechanics are very simple. The shotgun is also your boost.

1325
01:00:33,199 --> 01:00:37,239
There's no jump, so you have to shotgun to move

1326
01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:41,440
quickly and efficiently, and you also have to kill things

1327
01:00:41,519 --> 01:00:43,239
in the area. You want to do three things. You

1328
01:00:43,320 --> 01:00:47,159
want to kill everything, you want to beat it with

1329
01:00:48,199 --> 01:00:50,400
a certain amount of time, and you want to take

1330
01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,719
no damage. And if you do those three things, you

1331
01:00:53,760 --> 01:00:55,599
get like an all in one check mark, which is

1332
01:00:55,639 --> 01:00:58,159
super addictive. And so my goal isn't to just get

1333
01:00:58,159 --> 01:00:59,760
through the levels, which I think you can do with

1334
01:01:00,280 --> 01:01:02,639
fair ease. The goal is to get through the level

1335
01:01:02,679 --> 01:01:05,079
and then realize, Okay, if I do it this way

1336
01:01:05,119 --> 01:01:07,320
and I do it with this combination, I can kill

1337
01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,239
everything without taking any hits, and I could probably do

1338
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:11,480
it under twenty five seconds. And that's that's like the

1339
01:01:11,519 --> 01:01:13,400
sweet spot of like when this game really starts to

1340
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:13,880
feel good.

1341
01:01:14,320 --> 01:01:16,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think the platforming and the way it works

1342
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:18,960
is really like you describe the shotgun, but like you

1343
01:01:19,239 --> 01:01:21,920
could shotgun, you'll you'll get a shotgun in one hand

1344
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:23,840
and like pistols in the other, and so you'll do

1345
01:01:23,920 --> 01:01:25,960
like one big blast to shoot yourself into the air,

1346
01:01:26,239 --> 01:01:27,639
and then you can like pop up Pup Pup Papa

1347
01:01:27,639 --> 01:01:31,119
and kind of keep yourself hovering by shooting enemies. So

1348
01:01:31,320 --> 01:01:33,039
it is just a lot of like trying to figure

1349
01:01:33,039 --> 01:01:36,079
out the best use of you know, offense and platforming

1350
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:39,280
using whatever two guns you have equipped, and it's almost

1351
01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:41,199
like a meat boy style, like you know, it's just

1352
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:46,000
very two D platforming action. You die quickly, restart quickly.

1353
01:01:47,159 --> 01:01:49,599
But yeah, it's it's doing something very simple, but it's

1354
01:01:49,639 --> 01:01:50,320
doing it very well.

1355
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:53,480
Speaker 3: I think, Yeah, I was comparing it to Down Well

1356
01:01:53,719 --> 01:01:57,760
because sure, I think in many ways as well. In

1357
01:01:57,840 --> 01:02:00,480
later levels there's lots of spikes and there's move componed.

1358
01:02:00,519 --> 01:02:02,000
I don't know how far you aren't it. I actually

1359
01:02:02,119 --> 01:02:04,360
it's really hard to gauge how far you are because

1360
01:02:04,360 --> 01:02:06,320
the map system isn't like you're on level twelve, Like,

1361
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:08,199
I have no idea how far I am in this game.

1362
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:11,079
I want to say maybe I'm halfway, but that is

1363
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:16,280
like a bit of a guess. It gets really complicated

1364
01:02:16,320 --> 01:02:19,079
with just surviving, with just staying up in the air,

1365
01:02:19,400 --> 01:02:20,760
and so you get to have a lot of fun

1366
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,280
with shooting. You have two different guns, as you said,

1367
01:02:24,000 --> 01:02:27,679
shooting your different guns in a particular way that float

1368
01:02:27,719 --> 01:02:30,039
you just enough but not too much. Where you get

1369
01:02:30,119 --> 01:02:32,840
hit with spikes from above or like from a moving object.

1370
01:02:33,079 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 4: You to be very delicate with your character.

1371
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:38,280
Speaker 3: I think this game is well crafted so that you

1372
01:02:38,360 --> 01:02:42,719
can maneuver yourself with two guns for jet packs essentially

1373
01:02:43,599 --> 01:02:44,519
without getting hurt.

1374
01:02:44,599 --> 01:02:46,119
Speaker 4: And to me that was very down Well.

1375
01:02:46,159 --> 01:02:50,239
Speaker 3: I used to always use the jet pack boots in

1376
01:02:50,559 --> 01:02:52,960
down Well. It gives you just a little bit of elevation,

1377
01:02:53,039 --> 01:02:55,440
which is very important and down Well in this game,

1378
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:58,159
you just need that little bit of elevation and to

1379
01:02:58,199 --> 01:02:59,880
do that, you shoot your shotgun or you shoot your

1380
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:01,719
gu on a couple times to get through. I also

1381
01:03:01,719 --> 01:03:04,039
think it has the down Well magic of like random

1382
01:03:04,119 --> 01:03:08,000
gun drops. In this game, you do not know the

1383
01:03:08,039 --> 01:03:10,360
gun that's actually going to be your next gun.

1384
01:03:11,079 --> 01:03:11,800
Speaker 4: It's orang.

1385
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:16,400
Speaker 3: It could be a submachine gun, it could be a rifle.

1386
01:03:16,519 --> 01:03:19,639
You never know. It could be like a pistol, and

1387
01:03:19,679 --> 01:03:22,599
that will change the way you're able to navigate the space.

1388
01:03:22,719 --> 01:03:25,159
So it is different each time you play a level.

1389
01:03:25,719 --> 01:03:29,719
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. I'm not being as meticulous as you with, like,

1390
01:03:29,760 --> 01:03:31,679
you know, getting the full all in one thing every time.

1391
01:03:31,719 --> 01:03:33,079
I'm just trying to like kind of get through it.

1392
01:03:33,239 --> 01:03:35,320
And like you said, it does get pretty hard and

1393
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:36,800
you really have to learn when to like kind of

1394
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:38,960
feather these shots. You know, how not to send yourself

1395
01:03:38,960 --> 01:03:41,599
into a spike above your head. And yeah, it's just

1396
01:03:41,679 --> 01:03:43,960
it's one of those very bite sized level games that, like,

1397
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,360
you know, put it on a Steam deck, bring it

1398
01:03:45,400 --> 01:03:48,039
on a plane, knock out a few levels. It's an

1399
01:03:48,079 --> 01:03:50,760
easy one to pick up for fifteen minutes or an

1400
01:03:50,760 --> 01:03:52,519
hour if you want to. So yeah, I've definitely been

1401
01:03:52,599 --> 01:03:53,480
enjoying my time with it.

1402
01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've really like I think this is a sleeper.

1403
01:03:55,599 --> 01:03:57,079
I feel like people aren't going to talk about this

1404
01:03:57,079 --> 01:04:00,480
game because it visually doesn't look amazing, and even when

1405
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:01,960
you do get hands on it, like if there's like

1406
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:03,559
a demo or something, you might be like, this is

1407
01:04:03,559 --> 01:04:06,880
a bit simple. But I actually think this game has

1408
01:04:07,599 --> 01:04:10,960
a really well done design. We haven't talked about the

1409
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:14,000
music yet, but there's also like just a heavy feels

1410
01:04:14,000 --> 01:04:16,719
like you're in a club beat, and so I feel

1411
01:04:16,719 --> 01:04:18,760
like you can really get in the zone with this

1412
01:04:18,840 --> 01:04:23,039
game mentally, where you're just completely zoned out and focused

1413
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:27,199
on shooting every demon that comes into your face and

1414
01:04:27,800 --> 01:04:33,880
excuse me, stop talking. Yeah that's an that you're well,

1415
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:35,599
you'll get there. You have to get me really good.

1416
01:04:35,719 --> 01:04:39,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the spoilers kish tonight.

1417
01:04:41,719 --> 01:04:42,440
Speaker 2: No, I'm just kidding.

1418
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: That sounds rad. My backlog is getting unwieldy almost, But

1419
01:04:50,559 --> 01:04:52,760
I'm getting there. I'll get there eventually.

1420
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:53,519
Speaker 2: Uh.

1421
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,719
Speaker 1: I will not, however, be playing Destreating two for a while.

1422
01:04:57,880 --> 01:05:00,400
But Dan you, I don't know if you heard I

1423
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:02,239
went to Koji muf Production Productions.

1424
01:05:02,639 --> 01:05:06,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, do you hear about that? I was at Cochi

1425
01:05:06,119 --> 01:05:07,159
Munt Productions for a while.

1426
01:05:07,360 --> 01:05:09,559
Speaker 3: Why no? Because I was under a rock with my

1427
01:05:09,639 --> 01:05:14,760
fingers in my ears, trying my best not to know.

1428
01:05:15,360 --> 01:05:17,599
Speaker 2: I forgot what we were talking about so much, and

1429
01:05:17,679 --> 01:05:19,920
I was just saying it, not as a brag. I

1430
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:23,159
was saying it as a The reason I can't respond

1431
01:05:23,239 --> 01:05:25,400
right away is because I'm at Kadima Productions and we're

1432
01:05:25,440 --> 01:05:26,920
not allowed to use our phones if we're not in

1433
01:05:26,960 --> 01:05:30,280
the relaxation area. So that was just me saying sorry

1434
01:05:30,320 --> 01:05:35,159
at Kadima. That's why I'm not responding museum times.

1435
01:05:35,679 --> 01:05:38,519
Speaker 3: You can't fucking a photo in there, just bragging.

1436
01:05:38,960 --> 01:05:42,760
Speaker 2: No, Why were you in Japan recently? I went to

1437
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:44,719
Coach Munt Productions. Oh nice?

1438
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:46,599
Speaker 1: How was dest eRating two seeming so far? How much

1439
01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:48,000
did you play? Did you just play straight from the

1440
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:49,280
beginning or was it a rom.

1441
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:52,719
Speaker 2: The beginning and I played thirty hours? So you played

1442
01:05:53,440 --> 01:05:56,320
as much as most people. Many people would play when

1443
01:05:56,320 --> 01:05:59,000
they buy the game. I mean, yeah, but they said

1444
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,599
it was thirty to forty percent under the game, gotcha.

1445
01:06:01,679 --> 01:06:04,440
So it's a big fucking game, and I like it

1446
01:06:04,599 --> 01:06:06,119
a lot more than the first one, which you know,

1447
01:06:06,159 --> 01:06:07,480
I did come around on. You know, I think we

1448
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:10,079
could give a Game of the Year, So yeah, I

1449
01:06:09,760 --> 01:06:11,159
came around on it for sure.

1450
01:06:12,559 --> 01:06:16,599
Speaker 3: When does this game come out June this year?

1451
01:06:17,159 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1452
01:06:18,039 --> 01:06:20,960
Speaker 4: Man, that means I have to quit the podcast.

1453
01:06:21,880 --> 01:06:22,559
Speaker 3: So soon.

1454
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:24,960
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's gonna be getting Look, we

1455
01:06:24,960 --> 01:06:26,679
got a Mario Kart and a Donkey Kong and who

1456
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,159
knows what else this year. I don't I don't know

1457
01:06:28,199 --> 01:06:30,199
if I'm fighting for Game of the Year for it's

1458
01:06:30,320 --> 01:06:35,480
what's new in two it's just does things. It's way

1459
01:06:35,599 --> 01:06:37,440
less of a pain in the ass in terms of

1460
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:39,400
all of like the management you have to do. Like

1461
01:06:39,440 --> 01:06:42,039
in thirty hours, I think I soothed the baby twice.

1462
01:06:43,119 --> 01:06:45,840
You know, the cargo stuff, like there may be two

1463
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:48,639
times three times that I fell down and like, oh,

1464
01:06:48,760 --> 01:06:51,079
fucked up my cargo or whatever. Oh they removed the

1465
01:06:51,079 --> 01:06:54,679
good stuff. No, they've got that stuff. I mean, you

1466
01:06:54,679 --> 01:06:56,360
can fall down and things like that you are still

1467
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,000
delivering things. But just like when you get to a

1468
01:06:59,039 --> 01:07:02,159
bt air, you don't have to like crouch walk and

1469
01:07:02,239 --> 01:07:04,599
hold your breath and you know, just go at a

1470
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,760
snail's pace and I have a blood boomerang that I

1471
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,039
fill with my blood and throw it at BET's and

1472
01:07:10,039 --> 01:07:14,199
it kills him immediately back. Yeah, it's the oh God.

1473
01:07:14,440 --> 01:07:17,159
So when you approach an outpost, like you wanted to

1474
01:07:17,199 --> 01:07:20,320
avoid combat and stuff in the first game because it

1475
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:22,920
just dudes with electric sticks would chase you and it

1476
01:07:22,960 --> 01:07:27,639
wasn't fun. Yeah, well this when you have like almost

1477
01:07:27,679 --> 01:07:30,639
a metal year level of like I've got trank sniper rifle.

1478
01:07:30,719 --> 01:07:33,519
So like I'll build a watch tower on the perimeter

1479
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:35,760
of an outpost. I'll get up there, i will trank

1480
01:07:35,800 --> 01:07:39,119
sniper rifle several dudes, and I'll get down there. I'll

1481
01:07:39,119 --> 01:07:42,559
throw my puppet doll Man. I'll throw him in the

1482
01:07:42,599 --> 01:07:44,559
air and he hovers in the air and you can

1483
01:07:44,599 --> 01:07:47,559
tag enemies through doll Man's eyes and then he comes

1484
01:07:47,599 --> 01:07:49,360
back and then it's like, okay, there's a guy over there.

1485
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,360
I'll distract him with a hollow grenade that makes like

1486
01:07:51,360 --> 01:07:54,199
a holographic Ostrich and sneak up behind kill him and

1487
01:07:54,199 --> 01:07:56,880
then when things go to shit, you can actually just kill,

1488
01:07:56,920 --> 01:07:59,360
I mean not kill. It's all like non lethal stuff

1489
01:07:59,360 --> 01:08:02,239
because you can't avoid out, you know. But it's rubber bullets,

1490
01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:05,440
it's trank grenade launchers, it's things like your blood boomerang. Oh,

1491
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:09,800
you can kill somebody with a rubber bullet A blessing,

1492
01:08:10,159 --> 01:08:12,800
blessing from kind of funny. Didn't realize that you could

1493
01:08:12,840 --> 01:08:15,280
just capture, like there's an animal shelter and it's in

1494
01:08:15,360 --> 01:08:18,239
Australia and you can like capture kangaroos and stuff and

1495
01:08:18,239 --> 01:08:20,520
bring to an animal shelter. He didn't realize you just

1496
01:08:20,560 --> 01:08:22,039
go up and press a button to put him in

1497
01:08:22,039 --> 01:08:24,239
like a nice little like box and deliver him to safety.

1498
01:08:24,439 --> 01:08:28,159
So he was unloading assault rifles with rubber bullets like

1499
01:08:28,199 --> 01:08:33,239
directly into kangaroos to knock them out. Kangaroos can be

1500
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:36,199
dicks and blessings defense. Yeah, yeah, I've heard someone did

1501
01:08:36,239 --> 01:08:38,079
say that they can punch you. The kangaroos in the game.

1502
01:08:38,119 --> 01:08:43,279
Oh that jacked one. Uh yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

1503
01:08:43,359 --> 01:08:44,800
Speaker 3: I think it'd be nice if you could get their

1504
01:08:44,880 --> 01:08:48,079
pouch and then like GTA like commandeer them and then

1505
01:08:48,159 --> 01:08:50,840
you tell them where to hop because you're in their pouch.

1506
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:53,199
Speaker 2: There's no room for ridiculous stuff in deest training too.

1507
01:08:53,319 --> 01:08:56,119
This is serious. Yeah, So like doll Man, you see

1508
01:08:56,159 --> 01:08:59,520
the ha of a man got in included in the

1509
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:02,319
ka of a puppet, and that's why he's a puppet

1510
01:09:02,319 --> 01:09:04,840
that talks to you. And he explains to you that.

1511
01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:06,319
He's like, hey, Sam, do you want to know how

1512
01:09:06,359 --> 01:09:08,079
I stay so young? And I was like yes, because

1513
01:09:08,079 --> 01:09:10,800
he talked to him in your private room. And he says, well,

1514
01:09:10,800 --> 01:09:13,399
there's a character named Rainy and she's a seven month

1515
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,159
pregnant woman where the fetus won't grow past seven months,

1516
01:09:16,159 --> 01:09:17,760
so it's just kind of staying and she's a still

1517
01:09:17,800 --> 01:09:20,399
mother or whatever, so the baby won't go past seven months.

1518
01:09:20,640 --> 01:09:24,319
But when she's outside, she causes time fall rainstorms, which

1519
01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:27,199
time fall rain makes everything age faster, but in a

1520
01:09:27,199 --> 01:09:30,119
one point five meter radius around her, it's core fall rain,

1521
01:09:30,279 --> 01:09:32,520
which makes things younger. So every once in a while

1522
01:09:32,560 --> 01:09:35,199
she takes the puppet into the shower and the shower

1523
01:09:35,239 --> 01:09:37,960
water turns into core fall rain, and since the puppet

1524
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:43,199
is showering with her, he stays young. Oh yeah, so convoluted.

1525
01:09:43,239 --> 01:09:47,960
Speaker 1: I just saw getting realistic. I play games for escapism.

1526
01:09:48,039 --> 01:09:50,880
I don't want science and realism in my games.

1527
01:09:51,800 --> 01:09:53,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it's just I don't know many things

1528
01:09:54,000 --> 01:09:57,199
like that that are just incredible. And it's genuinely just

1529
01:09:57,359 --> 01:10:01,760
very funny. It it's into it so much quicker, the

1530
01:10:01,840 --> 01:10:06,800
action's better, man, It's it's really really solid. I didn't

1531
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,039
know if I would play another thirty hour like because

1532
01:10:09,039 --> 01:10:11,319
then you know, are saved and carry over whatever, so

1533
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:13,000
I'm just gonna do it all again. But I had

1534
01:10:13,159 --> 01:10:15,720
so much fun playing it that I will absolutely do

1535
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:18,960
it again. Cool. Where did you play it? How'd you

1536
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:22,159
get your hands on it? It's just my buddy's house.

1537
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:25,720
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you're just being Keeley.

1538
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:28,239
Speaker 2: Now. He was there. I was sitting next to him.

1539
01:10:28,640 --> 01:10:33,880
He was at the station next to me. This puppet

1540
01:10:33,960 --> 01:10:35,119
thing this city gets.

1541
01:10:36,439 --> 01:10:38,880
Speaker 3: Did he get a computer bigger than you? Was it

1542
01:10:38,920 --> 01:10:40,359
like in the number one spot?

1543
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:44,600
Speaker 2: No? No, had the exact same setup, although his his

1544
01:10:44,680 --> 01:10:47,199
build was kind of weird because the prompts wouldn't show

1545
01:10:47,239 --> 01:10:49,199
up so like the square, it would just have like

1546
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:51,479
a nothing button there. So that was that was a

1547
01:10:51,479 --> 01:10:54,399
whole chaotic thing for the first day or so. So yeah,

1548
01:10:54,399 --> 01:10:56,000
I had the better station than Keeley.

1549
01:10:56,039 --> 01:10:59,199
Speaker 1: Just for dah, where's my prompt? You know, like Daddy

1550
01:10:59,319 --> 01:11:02,479
Keeley's got to have his prompts. He kept calling himself

1551
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:05,399
Daddy Keeley. It was weird. Yeah, Daddy Keeley doesn't know

1552
01:11:05,439 --> 01:11:09,039
what button to press. Daddy Keeley needs his prompt.

1553
01:11:10,359 --> 01:11:11,720
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't know you were also, could you have

1554
01:11:11,760 --> 01:11:12,640
a productions with us?

1555
01:11:12,840 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: Welcome to the seventeenth Annual Game Awards. This is Daddy

1556
01:11:17,039 --> 01:11:20,479
Keeley and I am promptless. I'm going free bird tonight,

1557
01:11:20,600 --> 01:11:22,520
raw Dog and all you sounds a bit just tuning

1558
01:11:22,560 --> 01:11:26,760
in to see the hottest announcements the greatest awards. Now

1559
01:11:27,079 --> 01:11:32,720
for our next guest, it is Yosa Fares. They know

1560
01:11:32,800 --> 01:11:38,279
each other, I guess. So someone told me that you

1561
01:11:38,319 --> 01:11:40,359
finished Guns. What's Guns of Fury?

1562
01:11:40,920 --> 01:11:42,960
Speaker 3: Guns of Fury was a game I told you It

1563
01:11:43,079 --> 01:11:46,920
was about a month ago. I think I've already been

1564
01:11:46,960 --> 01:11:49,039
playing it. But it's the one where it's a side

1565
01:11:49,039 --> 01:11:53,560
scroller metroid Vania that kind of feels like lots of

1566
01:11:53,600 --> 01:11:55,560
explosions and you're shooting a lot of people. But it

1567
01:11:55,600 --> 01:11:57,760
is a Metroidvania. And Dan, I told you I thought

1568
01:11:57,880 --> 01:11:58,560
you would.

1569
01:11:58,319 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 2: Like I tried it.

1570
01:11:59,000 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I rolled credits on it. It's pretty fun

1571
01:12:05,840 --> 01:12:08,560
down to the last boss fight. It's such a slog

1572
01:12:08,720 --> 01:12:10,920
to get to the final boss fight, just because in

1573
01:12:11,079 --> 01:12:13,760
classic it's just in classic metroid vania style. Like there

1574
01:12:13,760 --> 01:12:15,840
were many times where I was like, where the fuck

1575
01:12:15,880 --> 01:12:19,039
am I going? And it's because I didn't have the

1576
01:12:19,119 --> 01:12:22,119
right boots with the spikes that so I could do

1577
01:12:22,199 --> 01:12:25,079
a double jump onto the thingy and I didn't know that,

1578
01:12:25,119 --> 01:12:26,920
so I was going into areas where I really didn't

1579
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:31,039
have the right items in order to progress. But once

1580
01:12:31,119 --> 01:12:35,000
I figured it out, I was able to finish the game.

1581
01:12:35,159 --> 01:12:38,039
It felt really freaking good, and it has a really

1582
01:12:38,119 --> 01:12:41,680
funny ending of like when you're when you've killed the

1583
01:12:41,720 --> 01:12:44,600
final boss, you just kind of want a nice ending,

1584
01:12:44,600 --> 01:12:45,840
and they do that thing where he's like gets on

1585
01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:47,960
a motorcycle and he like rides into the sunset and

1586
01:12:48,000 --> 01:12:51,199
he's just like, yeah, we did it, and yeah it

1587
01:12:51,279 --> 01:12:54,039
was good. I've I've enjoyed the game. I just kind

1588
01:12:54,079 --> 01:12:57,640
of wanted to remind y'all, like I think it's a

1589
01:12:57,680 --> 01:13:03,800
good metroid vania people looking for this type of experience

1590
01:13:03,800 --> 01:13:11,800
that like retro style. I don't know the guns Blazing game.

1591
01:13:11,760 --> 01:13:13,640
Speaker 2: That Metal slug, you know stuff.

1592
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:14,479
Speaker 4: Very metal slug.

1593
01:13:14,560 --> 01:13:16,560
Speaker 3: I think it. I think it appeals to a certain user,

1594
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,079
and so I was. I was glad to finally finish it.

1595
01:13:19,159 --> 01:13:22,119
But yeah, it took it. Took time to get through

1596
01:13:22,119 --> 01:13:23,800
that boss, but I was doing it on the flight

1597
01:13:24,359 --> 01:13:28,319
and uh, my flight was two hours delayed out of Boston.

1598
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:30,600
There was a mechanical issue with the plane. And so

1599
01:13:30,640 --> 01:13:34,319
I sat there just burning through this game. And you

1600
01:13:34,319 --> 01:13:37,119
can tell people after two hours of delay, people are

1601
01:13:37,159 --> 01:13:39,520
heated on a This is a five hour flight. So

1602
01:13:39,600 --> 01:13:42,399
this flight has gone from five hours to seven hours.

1603
01:13:42,680 --> 01:13:46,680
People are angry, babies are crying, people need to pee,

1604
01:13:47,319 --> 01:13:50,399
Tensions were high, and I was like, this game is

1605
01:13:50,640 --> 01:13:53,800
so good, and I was just like I was completely

1606
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:56,199
immersed in the game for the entire seven hours. I

1607
01:13:56,199 --> 01:13:58,039
think that's actually how I was able to finish it.

1608
01:13:58,079 --> 01:14:01,359
Speaker 2: So nice. Yeah, I downloaded it. I played a little

1609
01:14:01,359 --> 01:14:03,039
bit and see what you're talking about, but didn't get

1610
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:05,119
too far. And it's like, all right, once there's a

1611
01:14:05,159 --> 01:14:07,119
little more time specific stuff, Once I'm done with that.

1612
01:14:07,119 --> 01:14:08,279
That seems like a good playing game.

1613
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:10,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good plane game. And I think the

1614
01:14:10,279 --> 01:14:12,560
thing though that can happen and might happen with you

1615
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,920
is like once you get stuck and you're like, I

1616
01:14:13,920 --> 01:14:16,640
don't actually know where to go next, that could be

1617
01:14:16,680 --> 01:14:19,039
like a forty five minute trip for you, like walking

1618
01:14:19,079 --> 01:14:21,960
around being like where what am I missing? And once

1619
01:14:21,960 --> 01:14:24,359
you figure it out, it's fine. But yeah, it can

1620
01:14:24,399 --> 01:14:25,159
get to you a little bit.

1621
01:14:25,479 --> 01:14:27,600
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, but I've played something the Night Hollow

1622
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:29,920
Night like and had those experiences in those games. As

1623
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,520
long as I enjoy at the moment moment I'm accruing something,

1624
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:34,920
whether it's XPE or currency or something, then it doesn't

1625
01:14:34,960 --> 01:14:35,640
bother me too much.

1626
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:37,520
Speaker 3: Well, then probably what will happen is that you will,

1627
01:14:38,039 --> 01:14:39,640
you know, hate the game and talk a bunch of

1628
01:14:39,640 --> 01:14:42,319
shit about it and then do like this crazy turn

1629
01:14:42,560 --> 01:14:44,800
and change of hearts six months later and then fight

1630
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:46,600
for it like you actually as a person.

1631
01:14:46,760 --> 01:14:51,840
Speaker 2: Grow as a person. Yeah, flip flop, no personal growth.

1632
01:14:53,079 --> 01:14:55,319
Just look, I own a concert. I can't be a

1633
01:14:55,439 --> 01:14:56,880
silly person who flip flops.

1634
01:14:57,239 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 4: You can, and you are, and you.

1635
01:14:58,920 --> 01:15:01,840
Speaker 2: Do to be silly anymore, Mary.

1636
01:15:01,640 --> 01:15:03,720
Speaker 3: Bad people own companies all the time.

1637
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:05,720
Speaker 2: That's not true.

1638
01:15:06,039 --> 01:15:07,920
Speaker 4: There are so many evil men.

1639
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,960
Speaker 2: No wait, I'm evil now, i I'm just.

1640
01:15:11,920 --> 01:15:12,800
Speaker 4: Saying you can't.

1641
01:15:13,119 --> 01:15:16,159
Speaker 3: You can't use your company owning as like something that

1642
01:15:16,239 --> 01:15:19,800
absolves you of anything. There's like so many badness.

1643
01:15:19,840 --> 01:15:20,960
Speaker 2: I'm a serious person.

1644
01:15:21,039 --> 01:15:22,319
Speaker 4: No, no you're not.

1645
01:15:23,000 --> 01:15:26,880
Speaker 3: You're just this little slapheaded ding dong that got handed

1646
01:15:26,920 --> 01:15:29,880
the keys to the castle and somehow like they allowed

1647
01:15:29,920 --> 01:15:31,520
you in and I'm happy for you.

1648
01:15:31,680 --> 01:15:37,279
Speaker 2: Yeah. Hump dirt, Yeah, truck fucker clothes. I get a mic, Yeah,

1649
01:15:37,319 --> 01:15:45,039
hump dirt, humpters. We own, we own fire Escape, yes

1650
01:15:45,079 --> 01:15:45,279
we do.

1651
01:15:46,199 --> 01:15:49,039
Speaker 1: Dan's got his Dan's got his hands and everybody owned

1652
01:15:49,159 --> 01:15:49,960
multiple companies.

1653
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 4: Yes, a lot of cookie jars.

1654
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:54,159
Speaker 2: That guy, I love cookies.

1655
01:15:54,239 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's got his hands and a lot of nib jars.

1656
01:15:58,960 --> 01:15:59,760
What can I say?

1657
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 2: Boy boy needs his nib money. That's right. What is

1658
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:10,600
Bionic Bay go? Oh geez? Wow? This today? It's like

1659
01:16:10,640 --> 01:16:13,840
a limbo or like an inside like really cool look

1660
01:16:13,880 --> 01:16:16,119
to it. A lot of physics puzzles, a lot of

1661
01:16:16,159 --> 01:16:19,439
like uh kind of puzzle. It's a puzzle platformer and

1662
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,279
and both parts of it are very very good. If

1663
01:16:21,319 --> 01:16:23,680
you look up how the game looks, it's it's got

1664
01:16:23,680 --> 01:16:27,479
a hell of a aesthetic going on. Fantastic Steam deck game.

1665
01:16:27,560 --> 01:16:29,279
So when I was flying out to Japan. This is

1666
01:16:29,279 --> 01:16:32,399
the main thing I played, and not cool, very very fun.

1667
01:16:32,479 --> 01:16:36,079
Lot's the cool powers and yes if you like limbo

1668
01:16:36,119 --> 01:16:37,960
and inside and stuff like that, but almost wanted to

1669
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:42,119
be a little more platforming centric. It's it's fantastic.

1670
01:16:42,279 --> 01:16:45,279
Speaker 3: I'm gonna look it up. This seems like right up

1671
01:16:45,319 --> 01:16:49,039
my alley, like I could see you doing.

1672
01:16:48,840 --> 01:16:51,399
Speaker 2: It quite a bit. Yes, all this stuff studio? What

1673
01:16:51,439 --> 01:16:52,399
else they make? Yeah?

1674
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 3: Well yeah, tell me tell me their background. Oh, I'm

1675
01:16:55,960 --> 01:16:57,960
gonna seeze.

1676
01:17:02,119 --> 01:17:10,680
Speaker 2: They are Kepler funded by the Royal Saudi family. Oh. Interesting, why.

1677
01:17:11,720 --> 01:17:15,039
It's a very plausible lot in the game industry. I

1678
01:17:15,039 --> 01:17:18,359
know that. I think this looks like their first game. Okay, nice,

1679
01:17:18,399 --> 01:17:20,199
It's a very good one. I would definitely recommend checking

1680
01:17:20,199 --> 01:17:20,479
it out.

1681
01:17:20,640 --> 01:17:21,479
Speaker 3: Is exciting.

1682
01:17:21,560 --> 01:17:24,840
Speaker 4: Thanks for the the tip.

1683
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 3: I'm excited. I'm going to give this a try.

1684
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 2: Mm hmm, all right.

1685
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:33,640
Speaker 1: I've been playing Warhammer with Vinnie. That's going super well Warhammer.

1686
01:17:33,960 --> 01:17:38,520
Yeah new for me, huh. I think Vinnie's hooked, Reanna.

1687
01:17:38,600 --> 01:17:40,680
I don't want to put words in his mouth, but

1688
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:42,520
I think he's hooked. I think a lot of people

1689
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:45,600
have been watching it. It's getting fun. My my one

1690
01:17:45,640 --> 01:17:49,279
campaign is I'm commanding a bunch of dinosaurs and he's

1691
01:17:49,319 --> 01:17:52,119
this high elf prince who's got a sexual thing for dragons.

1692
01:17:52,159 --> 01:17:53,920
So that's making it weird to work with a bunch

1693
01:17:53,920 --> 01:17:57,159
of lizards and reptiles because I feel like he's coming

1694
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:57,600
on to me.

1695
01:17:57,880 --> 01:18:01,319
Speaker 2: But I'm helping a game. Oh yeah, yeah no, not

1696
01:18:01,319 --> 01:18:05,239
not in not like Death Stranding too or Mario Party.

1697
01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:09,279
But it's right, it's got some yeah, okay.

1698
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:13,199
Speaker 1: And then my other campaign, I'm a vampire zombie pirates

1699
01:18:13,279 --> 01:18:16,800
and he's what is he He's uh, he's the skull

1700
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:19,039
taker who's just collecting skulls for his cape.

1701
01:18:19,159 --> 01:18:23,359
Speaker 2: Very doom. That dude, it's fun going, well, we gotta

1702
01:18:23,399 --> 01:18:25,399
do a We got into a few big battles.

1703
01:18:25,680 --> 01:18:28,399
Speaker 1: People see what I think people are starting to see why, Well,

1704
01:18:28,520 --> 01:18:29,520
Mikey likes this game.

1705
01:18:30,279 --> 01:18:33,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, mm hmmm, that sounds pretty fun.

1706
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:39,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. It required someone with an open mind as opposed

1707
01:18:39,119 --> 01:18:42,000
to you. You. If you would have just recommended it,

1708
01:18:42,119 --> 01:18:43,359
I would have given it a shot.

1709
01:18:43,840 --> 01:18:44,720
Speaker 3: I don't mind.

1710
01:18:45,239 --> 01:18:48,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not recommending it. I never once told thought

1711
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:52,079
either of you would have would be any There's just something,

1712
01:18:52,119 --> 01:18:54,279
there's this artistic edge to the game. I don't think

1713
01:18:54,319 --> 01:19:00,640
you'd get uh huh going, well, it's fun. Uh.

1714
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,720
Speaker 1: That's in our off weeks here and then the other

1715
01:19:02,800 --> 01:19:04,000
campaign is on next Slander.

1716
01:19:04,000 --> 01:19:06,359
Speaker 2: If you're not subscriber over there, you want to talk

1717
01:19:06,359 --> 01:19:10,680
about do you want to talk about emails? Concept? Concept?

1718
01:19:10,920 --> 01:19:11,720
I want to talk about.

1719
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: Okay, as usual, you can ride into firescape cast at

1720
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:20,479
gmail dot com if you have questions, comments, concerns, or quizzes.

1721
01:19:20,520 --> 01:19:21,960
We've not done a quiz in a long time, but

1722
01:19:22,199 --> 01:19:25,199
our friend Alex from Australia sent in a good one

1723
01:19:25,239 --> 01:19:27,239
tonight that I'm gonna be quiz master for. It was

1724
01:19:27,239 --> 01:19:31,720
specifically tailored to Dan and Mary's interests and knowledge, so

1725
01:19:32,039 --> 01:19:32,920
I won't mess with that.

1726
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:36,640
Speaker 2: But yeah, escape, yeah, a little bit. There's a few,

1727
01:19:36,680 --> 01:19:47,199
there's a van cross, there's a crossover. Yeah, mccari.

1728
01:19:49,319 --> 01:19:54,720
Speaker 3: Beer drunk, so many things that we both love.

1729
01:19:55,039 --> 01:19:59,880
Speaker 2: Mcgruber with beer, drawn, hollow night bars.

1730
01:20:00,239 --> 01:20:06,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, bars, dogs, Yeah, soon, cats, when I start slipping

1731
01:20:06,680 --> 01:20:09,680
cats into Mary's house under cover of darkness, I'm not a.

1732
01:20:12,359 --> 01:20:16,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, you'll evolve. You'll evolve at some point. Okay,

1733
01:20:16,520 --> 01:20:19,079
let us do this quiz. This is from Alex in Australia.

1734
01:20:19,319 --> 01:20:22,079
There are three questions for each of you. So six total,

1735
01:20:22,720 --> 01:20:24,479
and then at the end we could just tail it

1736
01:20:24,720 --> 01:20:28,039
tally up how well each of you did. If for

1737
01:20:28,039 --> 01:20:30,039
some reason there's a tiebreaker. There is no tie breaker

1738
01:20:30,039 --> 01:20:31,600
in the email. I will just kind of off the

1739
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:33,359
cuff make up a tiebreaker question.

1740
01:20:34,600 --> 01:20:35,199
Speaker 2: It'll be fine.

1741
01:20:35,359 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 1: Okay, uh Mary, this question is for you specifically, and

1742
01:20:39,840 --> 01:20:42,000
you can you either get it correctly or you don't.

1743
01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:44,079
Speaker 4: What are There's no multiple choice?

1744
01:20:44,920 --> 01:20:49,319
Speaker 2: No? What are three growable crops in Stardow Valley? Just three.

1745
01:20:51,000 --> 01:20:53,119
Speaker 3: Growable crops?

1746
01:20:52,800 --> 01:20:53,039
Speaker 2: Yep?

1747
01:20:53,600 --> 01:21:00,960
Speaker 3: Okay, you can grow? Is like time for that? I'm

1748
01:21:01,000 --> 01:21:01,920
like panicking now.

1749
01:21:02,039 --> 01:21:04,119
Speaker 2: You take too long? Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna start

1750
01:21:04,159 --> 01:21:05,800
shouting this game.

1751
01:21:06,039 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know this game really really well.

1752
01:21:09,800 --> 01:21:10,960
Speaker 4: I know I'm panicking.

1753
01:21:13,319 --> 01:21:19,239
Speaker 2: Let me double check that. Yes there's horn, Yes there

1754
01:21:19,279 --> 01:21:19,720
just one.

1755
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:24,960
Speaker 3: More uh uh.

1756
01:21:24,760 --> 01:21:32,760
Speaker 2: Uh uh seconds cauliflower. Yes, correct.

1757
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,239
Speaker 3: I had a panic attack, and I know that game

1758
01:21:36,439 --> 01:21:36,960
very well.

1759
01:21:37,520 --> 01:21:37,840
Speaker 2: I know.

1760
01:21:38,000 --> 01:21:39,600
Speaker 1: Well, you have me, you have me guys in there,

1761
01:21:39,600 --> 01:21:43,079
all right, Dan, your first question, what is the exact

1762
01:21:43,199 --> 01:22:11,800
day and date Olympic swimmer Michael Phelps was born thirty seconds.

1763
01:22:07,920 --> 01:22:10,560
Speaker 2: March third, nineteen eighty eight.

1764
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:14,279
Speaker 1: No, it's the June thirtieth, nineteen eighty five. You have

1765
01:22:14,399 --> 01:22:21,279
zero points, Mary, Mary. Question two, name the main character

1766
01:22:21,359 --> 01:22:23,000
of the video game Duck Detective.

1767
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:25,319
Speaker 3: It's the duck.

1768
01:22:26,159 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 2: What is his name? Um?

1769
01:22:29,479 --> 01:22:34,920
Speaker 3: His name is uh quacks detective Quaxworth.

1770
01:22:35,920 --> 01:22:37,800
Speaker 2: No, do you want a second try?

1771
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:41,319
Speaker 3: Uh, it's got quack in the name.

1772
01:22:41,720 --> 01:22:45,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, but no, it's not it. All right, it's Eugene mcquacklin. Damn,

1773
01:22:46,039 --> 01:22:47,119
that's wrong, all right, Dan?

1774
01:22:47,279 --> 01:22:49,000
Speaker 2: Question two? Yeah.

1775
01:22:49,079 --> 01:22:51,760
Speaker 1: Known as the Gumby of the Pool, Michael Phelps also

1776
01:22:51,800 --> 01:22:55,800
won several Olympic gold medals. How many exactly did he win?

1777
01:23:00,119 --> 01:23:04,560
Speaker 2: Eight? The correct answer is twenty three.

1778
01:23:04,920 --> 01:23:08,039
Speaker 1: All right, Mary, you are up one. You have one

1779
01:23:08,239 --> 01:23:10,960
of two. Dan has zero of two Mary. Question three.

1780
01:23:11,479 --> 01:23:14,239
Internationally known as a good Boy. What is the name

1781
01:23:14,279 --> 01:23:14,960
of your dog?

1782
01:23:19,960 --> 01:23:24,159
Speaker 3: I know this. His name is Simon full name Simon

1783
01:23:24,319 --> 01:23:27,920
Kish and we also sometimes call him Chug.

1784
01:23:28,439 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 2: Yes, that's correct. Mary is two of three. Dan. You

1785
01:23:31,439 --> 01:23:32,560
don't have a chance to tie it.

1786
01:23:32,640 --> 01:23:35,479
Speaker 1: This is just to save face before having to flee

1787
01:23:35,520 --> 01:23:38,199
international authorities for threatening to beat up the Pope. Michael

1788
01:23:38,199 --> 01:23:41,159
Phelps held several world records. What was his time at

1789
01:23:41,199 --> 01:23:43,840
the two thousand and six Pan Pacific championships in the

1790
01:23:43,840 --> 01:23:45,079
two hundred meters butterfly.

1791
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:55,279
Speaker 2: You know this, Dan, forty six seconds.

1792
01:23:55,760 --> 01:23:58,000
Speaker 1: The correct answer is one minute, fifty three seconds and

1793
01:23:58,039 --> 01:24:02,800
eighty ever tense of a second. Uh, Mary, you have

1794
01:24:02,840 --> 01:24:05,079
won this quiz. Thank you for Alex, He says, Long

1795
01:24:05,119 --> 01:24:09,840
live the bomb, speaking of beating up the pope. I

1796
01:24:09,880 --> 01:24:13,159
watched you watched Conclave? Have you guys seen Conclave yet?

1797
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:16,159
Speaker 3: I missed a question dedicated for me.

1798
01:24:16,960 --> 01:24:19,840
Speaker 2: I think you should lose the whole thing now, Dan,

1799
01:24:19,880 --> 01:24:22,560
did you know the name of the duck? Uh? No,

1800
01:24:22,600 --> 01:24:24,119
I wouldn't it had.

1801
01:24:24,119 --> 01:24:26,600
Speaker 3: Quack in it. I knew that it was like quacks

1802
01:24:27,560 --> 01:24:30,800
you know, McGillicuddy, quacken Shire, but like I couldn't think

1803
01:24:30,840 --> 01:24:34,560
of it Quacksworth, Quackley.

1804
01:24:36,239 --> 01:24:43,800
Speaker 1: Detective Eugene mcquachlan mcquachlin, Yeah, detective Detective mcquachlin, Yeah, mcquacklin.

1805
01:24:44,279 --> 01:24:47,079
Speaker 3: That's funny. That was really funny. I mean, I think

1806
01:24:47,079 --> 01:24:52,359
it only like helps determine that I am smart. And

1807
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:54,159
you know Dan is here.

1808
01:24:55,039 --> 01:25:00,399
Speaker 2: You know I can't argue with the results score bomb. Okay.

1809
01:25:00,399 --> 01:25:03,760
Speaker 1: I got a couple of email questions as well. We

1810
01:25:03,840 --> 01:25:08,000
can this person sending a lot of nice stuff about

1811
01:25:08,000 --> 01:25:10,039
each of us, but I think we don't have to

1812
01:25:10,039 --> 01:25:11,800
toot our own horn like that. I can delete that

1813
01:25:12,960 --> 01:25:16,640
said here. No, no, no, it was all extremely nice.

1814
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:17,720
This is Cameron from Baltimore.

1815
01:25:17,760 --> 01:25:20,159
Speaker 2: Thank you. They know what they wrote, appreciate it, but

1816
01:25:20,199 --> 01:25:21,640
it's just it would be a long read.

1817
01:25:22,840 --> 01:25:25,840
Speaker 1: I will read it, yeah, Mary read it. Yeah, it's

1818
01:25:25,920 --> 01:25:27,880
in our inbox. Mary, do you want to read this one?

1819
01:25:28,039 --> 01:25:29,279
Cameron from Baltimore.

1820
01:25:29,800 --> 01:25:33,880
Speaker 3: Yes, Hey, Fire Escape Gang. I've been listening since the

1821
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:36,600
first episode, but never took the time to sit down

1822
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:39,680
an email. With the death of Giant Bomb and Polygon

1823
01:25:39,760 --> 01:25:41,880
this week, I've been pretty sad but still excited for

1824
01:25:41,920 --> 01:25:46,119
everybody has next. Bet you didn't expect that when you

1825
01:25:46,159 --> 01:25:51,079
wrote this email, huf Cameron from Baltimore is crazy. I

1826
01:25:51,159 --> 01:25:55,319
know this is long, but you guys still like with

1827
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:58,960
a question. Oh we cut out the middle part. Yea.

1828
01:25:59,159 --> 01:26:01,640
Over the years, you all have done a good bit

1829
01:26:01,680 --> 01:26:03,199
of playthroughs with different people.

1830
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:06,079
Speaker 4: What is your dream matchup of game and person?

1831
01:26:06,159 --> 01:26:08,319
Speaker 3: For example, I personally think it's hilarious to go through

1832
01:26:08,359 --> 01:26:11,720
an entirety of Kingdom Hearts with Hideo Kajima. I think

1833
01:26:11,760 --> 01:26:14,880
he'd outwardly hate it, but secretly have fun, thanks for

1834
01:26:14,960 --> 01:26:17,720
everything you do, and kicking ass in the video game world.

1835
01:26:17,800 --> 01:26:21,600
Cameron from Baltimore. That's a good question. I thought I

1836
01:26:21,640 --> 01:26:24,319
didn't think like celebrities and like, you know, like when

1837
01:26:24,319 --> 01:26:25,520
they're like who would you have dinner with?

1838
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:27,039
Speaker 4: It could be a person who's dead.

1839
01:26:27,439 --> 01:26:31,039
Speaker 3: Like that's a total game changer. I genuinely have always

1840
01:26:31,079 --> 01:26:34,680
felt that playing Resident Evil with Mike has been like

1841
01:26:34,960 --> 01:26:38,640
such an awesome combo because he knows those games quite well,

1842
01:26:39,039 --> 01:26:42,399
but we have a really silly connection when we play

1843
01:26:42,399 --> 01:26:44,680
them together, and it's been really fun for me having

1844
01:26:44,720 --> 01:26:48,560
the experience for the first time so realistically always able

1845
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:51,640
to at all never it's always been beautiful.

1846
01:26:51,720 --> 01:26:54,319
Speaker 2: No one's ever tried to five Wonders for our relationship,

1847
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:55,439
but my.

1848
01:26:55,600 --> 01:27:00,800
Speaker 3: Dream matchup in reality was me and Mike playing Right Evil.

1849
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:03,359
I really enjoyed playing that series with you and I

1850
01:27:03,399 --> 01:27:05,640
and I have really good memories doing it, and it's

1851
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:06,600
really special to me.

1852
01:27:07,479 --> 01:27:10,720
Speaker 4: Now fantasy, that's a whole new thing.

1853
01:27:12,159 --> 01:27:14,640
Speaker 1: I have one go ahead, I would love to play

1854
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:16,000
Golden Eye with fom K Johnson.

1855
01:27:18,319 --> 01:27:19,159
Speaker 2: I have another one.

1856
01:27:19,199 --> 01:27:21,000
Speaker 3: I dare you use this to be a pervert.

1857
01:27:22,079 --> 01:27:24,680
Speaker 1: I would love to play Death Stranding with fom Ka Johnson.

1858
01:27:25,800 --> 01:27:31,079
Oh wait, I got I would love to play Terraria.

1859
01:27:32,399 --> 01:27:34,159
Speaker 3: Know you want to play a game that's like four

1860
01:27:34,239 --> 01:27:37,079
hundred hours to finish it so that you just get

1861
01:27:37,199 --> 01:27:37,880
lots of time.

1862
01:27:38,119 --> 01:27:40,319
Speaker 2: I have one. I would love to play Ninja Guid

1863
01:27:40,399 --> 01:27:48,479
in Black two with fom Kay Johnson. These are good answers, Yeah.

1864
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, these are the dream situation.

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01:27:52,359 --> 01:27:56,279
Speaker 1: I do wish there were more like being serious, not

1866
01:27:56,319 --> 01:27:59,119
that I wasn't serious, but I do wish there were

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01:27:59,239 --> 01:28:05,640
more developers like I enjoy what you Know IGN and

1868
01:28:05,680 --> 01:28:08,239
even like what I Know what the show that Lucy

1869
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,199
had been doing a game spot where like developers you know,

1870
01:28:11,279 --> 01:28:15,000
commentate on stuff. I wish there were more avenues for

1871
01:28:15,039 --> 01:28:17,920
developers to do, like full playthroughs and just comments on

1872
01:28:18,000 --> 01:28:20,359
like each mission. That'd be rad Like I'd love to

1873
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:23,720
hear the og Halo developers talk about each mission and

1874
01:28:23,800 --> 01:28:26,279
combat evolved like they're thinking for designing them back in

1875
01:28:26,279 --> 01:28:29,600
two thousand and one, late nineties' that'd be cool.

1876
01:28:30,039 --> 01:28:33,279
Speaker 3: Sure, what about you, Dan? What do you think?

1877
01:28:35,640 --> 01:28:38,760
Speaker 2: I say this because conceptually it sounds funny, but it'd

1878
01:28:38,840 --> 01:28:41,520
probably be more infuriating. But making my dad play through

1879
01:28:41,560 --> 01:28:46,279
all of Metal Year sounds pretty funny. I did watch

1880
01:28:46,399 --> 01:28:49,600
him watch some of it when Kayla was playing four

1881
01:28:49,800 --> 01:28:54,319
and uh yeah, that was not penetrating his head at all. Yeah,

1882
01:28:54,640 --> 01:28:56,000
is this a shooting game? Is this is to shoot

1883
01:28:56,039 --> 01:29:01,159
him up? Yeah? Dest stranding with my gram would be fun.

1884
01:29:01,760 --> 01:29:04,039
Speaker 3: That would be fun. That's a sweet one.

1885
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:07,840
Speaker 2: Wait, why what about your grandma? Why would she She

1886
01:29:07,920 --> 01:29:10,960
was just afraid of everything. She's afraid of being confused

1887
01:29:10,960 --> 01:29:14,319
by everything in the world and definitely does not take

1888
01:29:14,359 --> 01:29:15,920
in anything like that. And I would just like to

1889
01:29:15,920 --> 01:29:17,000
see how she reacts to that.

1890
01:29:17,319 --> 01:29:21,680
Speaker 3: Okay, gotcha In a dream where I could play with anyone,

1891
01:29:22,079 --> 01:29:25,960
I think it'll be really fun to play most game

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01:29:26,039 --> 01:29:30,159
series with Conan O'Brien, and I think I would pick

1893
01:29:30,239 --> 01:29:31,680
GTA because I think he would have a lot of

1894
01:29:31,760 --> 01:29:37,560
fun experiencing GTA and the storylines and the different things

1895
01:29:37,560 --> 01:29:39,600
that you go through. I think he would. I think

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01:29:39,600 --> 01:29:41,840
he would just be so fun to play that with

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01:29:41,920 --> 01:29:44,640
and so throwing it out there into the ether that

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01:29:44,720 --> 01:29:47,279
I would literally play any game with Conan O'Brien and

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01:29:47,279 --> 01:29:52,560
have such a good time. Yeah, any comedian playing a

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01:29:52,560 --> 01:29:53,760
game with would probably be a joy.

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01:29:53,760 --> 01:29:56,880
Speaker 1: Honestly, oh Man, I'd love to hear. What's his name,

1902
01:29:57,000 --> 01:30:01,800
Daniel Danielson? What's the Norwegian dude?

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01:30:02,239 --> 01:30:06,000
Speaker 2: Damn? At the Comedy Seller? I forget, but he was great. Yeah,

1904
01:30:06,039 --> 01:30:08,640
the autistic Norwegian dude. He'd be fun to play games with.

1905
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:11,720
He was hilarious. Yeah, Hey, anybody but into the bank?

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01:30:13,079 --> 01:30:16,000
I do you I've married? Do you know who that is?

1907
01:30:16,319 --> 01:30:17,680
Speaker 1: Hold on, let me look up his name because now

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01:30:17,800 --> 01:30:22,840
Daniel uh Norwegian comedian.

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01:30:24,640 --> 01:30:28,960
Speaker 2: H Daniel Simonson. Oh, he gets up on stage.

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01:30:28,960 --> 01:30:30,199
Speaker 1: The first time I ever saw him, I was with

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01:30:30,279 --> 01:30:33,199
Dan at the Comedy Seller and just clearly was immediately

1912
01:30:33,239 --> 01:30:37,800
being awkward. But he's just his jokes are all about

1913
01:30:37,880 --> 01:30:40,520
like how awkward he is, which I usually don't find funny,

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01:30:40,520 --> 01:30:43,399
but he just was nailing it. He's like, I've been

1915
01:30:43,399 --> 01:30:46,680
really working on just, you know, my small talk lately.

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01:30:46,760 --> 01:30:48,760
So next time I go to the barbecue, people are

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01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:51,079
gonna be loo, look out here comes Daniel, and I'm

1918
01:30:51,079 --> 01:30:52,920
gonna be like, hey, anybody been to the bank.

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01:30:53,720 --> 01:30:58,119
Speaker 2: That's his idea of I'm not doing justice. Daniel Simonson.

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Speaker 1: Watch watch, go, watch go watch some clips of him. Okay,

1921
01:31:05,439 --> 01:31:07,079
didn't mean to minimize that. Dan, You want to read

1922
01:31:07,079 --> 01:31:10,960
this last one. Uh, this is thank you camera from Baltimore.

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01:31:11,279 --> 01:31:15,840
Speaker 2: Who is this from? Let me look Matt, Matt from Massachusetts,

1924
01:31:16,039 --> 01:31:16,760
Matt B.

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01:31:17,079 --> 01:31:20,640
Speaker 1: From Massachusetts. Wait a minute, Oh, never mind.

1926
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:20,880
Speaker 2: Okay.

1927
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 1: They were asking about whether the new season of the

1928
01:31:22,880 --> 01:31:25,159
rehearsal is sucking up your newfound confidence with flying.

1929
01:31:26,359 --> 01:31:29,479
Speaker 2: Oh no, no, that's it's I never worry about the

1930
01:31:29,520 --> 01:31:30,800
plane crashing or anything like that.

1931
01:31:30,840 --> 01:31:32,840
Speaker 4: No, got cha, What do you worry about when you're

1932
01:31:32,960 --> 01:31:33,439
have anxiety?

1933
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:35,359
Speaker 2: It's just anxiety. It's just the fear of fear in

1934
01:31:35,399 --> 01:31:40,640
panic attacks. And it's for people that don't really have this,

1935
01:31:40,920 --> 01:31:43,479
it's almost impossible to explain. It's just like the fear

1936
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,640
of having a panic attack and not having control over it.

1937
01:31:46,800 --> 01:31:49,960
And yeah, but I mean it never happens, you know.

1938
01:31:50,119 --> 01:31:51,800
It's just the idea of like, oh, I'm locked in

1939
01:31:51,840 --> 01:31:54,000
this thing for you know, twelve hours, and am I

1940
01:31:54,079 --> 01:31:55,560
just gonna be doomed to have this panic attack a

1941
01:31:55,600 --> 01:31:57,640
whole time? I've never once worried about a plane crashing,

1942
01:31:57,720 --> 01:31:59,399
you know, which, I think a lot of people when

1943
01:31:59,479 --> 01:32:01,439
you say fear of lying, they assume that. But if

1944
01:32:01,439 --> 01:32:03,960
you tell it to anyone with like severe anxiety disorders,

1945
01:32:03,960 --> 01:32:05,800
they're like, oh, I get it so but no, no,

1946
01:32:05,880 --> 01:32:10,239
I'm getting much better that stuff. But yeah, hey, Fire

1947
01:32:10,319 --> 01:32:14,000
Escape Cast Matt Bee from Massachusetts here to say congratulations

1948
01:32:14,039 --> 01:32:16,720
to Dan and the Giant Bomb crew on this huge moment.

1949
01:32:17,079 --> 01:32:19,760
I'm actually writing this live at Packs East during the panel.

1950
01:32:20,039 --> 01:32:22,239
I'm an enforcer here and it was awesome seeing both

1951
01:32:22,319 --> 01:32:24,600
Dan and Mary here. Now, this is not a Giant

1952
01:32:24,600 --> 01:32:27,239
Bomb podcast, so let's get to business here, Mike, if

1953
01:32:27,319 --> 01:32:29,720
Dan and Mary were a wine, what wine would they be?

1954
01:32:30,000 --> 01:32:32,479
And why would Dan be? Wine? In a box? Love

1955
01:32:32,520 --> 01:32:34,560
you guys rocking banana yellow for life.

1956
01:32:34,800 --> 01:32:36,800
Speaker 3: Oh that's so sweet. I do not know if this

1957
01:32:36,840 --> 01:32:39,319
is the same person. But while Mike thinks of the answer,

1958
01:32:39,399 --> 01:32:44,079
I just want to say that post the panel, everybody

1959
01:32:44,119 --> 01:32:48,359
was kind of gathering around you guys and giving you

1960
01:32:48,439 --> 01:32:50,760
congrats and cheersing you, and you were kind of just

1961
01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:56,079
hanging out with everybody. And I was hanging out in

1962
01:32:56,119 --> 01:32:59,399
the corner quietly and a person came up to me.

1963
01:32:59,439 --> 01:33:01,119
They did not tell me their name, and they said, Hey,

1964
01:33:01,119 --> 01:33:03,680
I just want to let you know I always rock

1965
01:33:03,760 --> 01:33:06,319
in that banana yellow. And I was like, dude, that's

1966
01:33:06,319 --> 01:33:08,479
so fucking cool. That's such a funny thing to say

1967
01:33:08,479 --> 01:33:11,600
to me, and like, I really appreciated whoever that was.

1968
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:15,199
I appreciate you. I love that. I will always retweet

1969
01:33:15,199 --> 01:33:18,680
a banana yellow shirt. But it's just a funny and

1970
01:33:18,760 --> 01:33:21,199
really silly specific thing that you can say to me

1971
01:33:21,279 --> 01:33:23,720
that makes me smile. So I thought that was very sweet.

1972
01:33:23,720 --> 01:33:25,479
I don't know if that's the ensporcer or if this

1973
01:33:25,560 --> 01:33:29,159
is a separate person, because there's there's thousands of people

1974
01:33:29,239 --> 01:33:31,760
rocking that banana yellow, so it could be anyone. Really,

1975
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,119
Oh yeah, it really could It truly could be. The

1976
01:33:34,319 --> 01:33:36,960
Metal had a bunch, ye I know, it's very in

1977
01:33:37,119 --> 01:33:37,560
right now.

1978
01:33:37,640 --> 01:33:39,159
Speaker 4: People love that banana yellow.

1979
01:33:39,720 --> 01:33:43,119
Speaker 1: Oh god, imagine if if someone actually wore fire Escape

1980
01:33:43,159 --> 01:33:45,199
merch to the met Gala, they would actually probably be

1981
01:33:45,199 --> 01:33:49,960
seen as cool and avant garde the fire Escape.

1982
01:33:49,960 --> 01:33:52,479
Speaker 3: Listen up, celebrities that go to the met galo that

1983
01:33:52,520 --> 01:33:55,359
listen to fire Escape, You too could be the bell

1984
01:33:55,439 --> 01:33:57,520
of the ball if you want to wear a banana

1985
01:33:57,600 --> 01:33:59,439
yellow T shirt to the Metal and if.

1986
01:33:59,399 --> 01:34:02,079
Speaker 2: You're free, if you're a celebrity of enough statue, yeah.

1987
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:03,520
Speaker 4: No you can pay for it. You're rich, but like,

1988
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:07,479
don't be a little bitch. Pay for them shirt and

1989
01:34:07,800 --> 01:34:08,239
wear it.

1990
01:34:08,680 --> 01:34:10,039
Speaker 3: Speaking of which, I don't know if you guys talked

1991
01:34:10,039 --> 01:34:11,560
about this, but you guys talk about the fact like

1992
01:34:11,640 --> 01:34:14,520
right after your panel Jeff got kicked out.

1993
01:34:15,039 --> 01:34:19,920
Speaker 2: Oh god, I forgot about that. Backalre no Grub wait

1994
01:34:20,000 --> 01:34:23,840
deal like they were telling us all to like move Yeah,

1995
01:34:24,000 --> 01:34:26,439
well he heard two different stories from enforcers. We were

1996
01:34:26,439 --> 01:34:29,079
like sitting there doing meet and greets with fans, and understandably,

1997
01:34:29,119 --> 01:34:31,760
you know, the packs enforcers were like, hey, come on, move,

1998
01:34:31,760 --> 01:34:32,800
we got to clear this area.

1999
01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:34,800
Speaker 4: Cletely reasonable, which is reasonable.

2000
01:34:35,119 --> 01:34:37,000
Speaker 2: We kept moving down. We kept moving down, and they

2001
01:34:37,079 --> 01:34:38,560
kept being like, we'll move more, move more, and we

2002
01:34:38,640 --> 01:34:43,279
kept moving more, and one packs enforcer took his badge

2003
01:34:43,760 --> 01:34:46,600
and said it was because he wasn't moving down enough.

2004
01:34:46,760 --> 01:34:48,720
But then wasn't. Another one saying because he had alcohol.

2005
01:34:49,199 --> 01:34:52,640
Speaker 3: So the the panelist before this is what I heard.

2006
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:55,079
The panelists before us, I guess had like.

2007
01:34:55,079 --> 01:34:59,520
Speaker 2: A fifth of they did. I brought a glass on stage, yeah.

2008
01:34:59,079 --> 01:35:02,520
Speaker 3: And they gave to you guys and so but you

2009
01:35:02,560 --> 01:35:05,920
didn't bring it in. But it was contraband and I

2010
01:35:06,039 --> 01:35:10,279
just think Grub wasn't thinking and just put the fifth

2011
01:35:10,319 --> 01:35:14,319
of whiskey in his back pocket visible and when the

2012
01:35:14,439 --> 01:35:16,720
enforcer saw it, he was like, you can't have that,

2013
01:35:16,800 --> 01:35:19,199
You're out of here, and confiscated his badge and kicked

2014
01:35:19,239 --> 01:35:19,680
him out.

2015
01:35:20,199 --> 01:35:23,039
Speaker 2: Incredible, you bought giant bomb then got kicked out.

2016
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,680
Speaker 1: Of packs, Jeff grub It's already going to his head

2017
01:35:25,760 --> 01:35:27,520
being whatever that title is.

2018
01:35:27,800 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 3: So funny anyway, a funny side story of getting kicked

2019
01:35:31,800 --> 01:35:32,359
out of packs.

2020
01:35:32,439 --> 01:35:34,479
Speaker 4: But hopefully that brought you time to think about our wines.

2021
01:35:35,119 --> 01:35:38,520
Speaker 2: I didn't need time. I got it. Uh Dan, I

2022
01:35:38,920 --> 01:35:39,600
always see Dan.

2023
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:41,119
Speaker 1: I think a lot of people see him as this big,

2024
01:35:41,199 --> 01:35:45,119
boisterous personality with a booming voice that carries as we

2025
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:49,800
talked about earlier, but there's some nuance once you get

2026
01:35:49,840 --> 01:35:51,199
to know him. But I think I think at the

2027
01:35:51,239 --> 01:35:54,079
end of the day, he's a very very reliable friend

2028
01:35:54,680 --> 01:35:57,279
and someone that like even if I even if I'm

2029
01:35:57,319 --> 01:35:59,680
like going farther afield and trying out new stuff all

2030
01:35:59,680 --> 01:36:02,399
over the world, I think he's like a Rutherford Cab.

2031
01:36:02,439 --> 01:36:04,720
He's always going to be like, He's always going to

2032
01:36:04,760 --> 01:36:06,880
be a good friend and be there for for whatever

2033
01:36:06,920 --> 01:36:08,960
I whenever I come back and want, you know, like

2034
01:36:09,079 --> 01:36:12,840
old reliable, reliable, Yeah.

2035
01:36:12,359 --> 01:36:16,239
Speaker 2: Mary, I would say you're more like a Barolo or

2036
01:36:16,279 --> 01:36:16,920
a barber.

2037
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:21,119
Speaker 1: Esco both Nebiolo made from Nebiola. I think you start

2038
01:36:21,159 --> 01:36:23,399
off like I think when you're first getting to know Mary,

2039
01:36:23,720 --> 01:36:27,000
she could be extremely tannic and uh and can be

2040
01:36:27,119 --> 01:36:29,079
maybe a bit like have an edge to her, especially

2041
01:36:29,079 --> 01:36:29,720
if you're a mom.

2042
01:36:29,560 --> 01:36:31,239
Speaker 3: From Jersey to say annoying.

2043
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:33,640
Speaker 2: No no no no no no, not like that.

2044
01:36:33,720 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 1: You can be fiery, and you can be like, you

2045
01:36:35,520 --> 01:36:37,640
can be abrasive at first if you're a mom from Jersey,

2046
01:36:37,720 --> 01:36:40,960
you know, like just rubbing you the wrong way. But

2047
01:36:41,359 --> 01:36:43,680
over time, as you like you start to breathe and whatnot,

2048
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:47,399
you become very very ethereal, and you can be very

2049
01:36:48,199 --> 01:36:52,600
very alluring and uh and very uh you know, like

2050
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:56,680
just generally very memorable to be around. Yeah, that's that's

2051
01:36:56,800 --> 01:36:57,920
that's what I think you guys are.

2052
01:36:59,319 --> 01:37:01,000
Speaker 4: I think that's and I accept that.

2053
01:37:01,119 --> 01:37:04,640
Speaker 3: I would always say I had a friend who was

2054
01:37:04,640 --> 01:37:07,039
like a lot like high high energy, and I used

2055
01:37:07,079 --> 01:37:10,720
to always say I take them in doses, meaning like

2056
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:12,640
I could totally hang out with them for like two

2057
01:37:12,720 --> 01:37:14,600
maybe three hours, but then I need a break because

2058
01:37:14,600 --> 01:37:17,319
they're like way too intense. And I think for how

2059
01:37:17,319 --> 01:37:19,520
intense I am. There are some like there were like

2060
01:37:19,560 --> 01:37:21,520
more city people who are like, listen, I got like

2061
01:37:21,600 --> 01:37:23,399
two to three hours with that girl, and I need

2062
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:26,880
a moment. So like, I think it's super fair and

2063
01:37:26,960 --> 01:37:30,279
par for the course that like it's I'm an acquired taste,

2064
01:37:30,279 --> 01:37:32,199
whereas Dan is a classic.

2065
01:37:32,159 --> 01:37:35,119
Speaker 2: Oh thank you, Yes, that's yes, that's a good way

2066
01:37:35,119 --> 01:37:35,479
to put it.

2067
01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:38,119
Speaker 4: Water down, red with some ice in it.

2068
01:37:38,560 --> 01:37:40,640
Speaker 1: Thank you, Matt b and thank you for keeping those

2069
01:37:40,720 --> 01:37:45,079
hallways clear of Jeff Grubbs shenanigans at packs. He's already

2070
01:37:45,119 --> 01:37:47,520
been a prima donna. After what a week A giant

2071
01:37:47,520 --> 01:37:52,239
bombs chame on it. Well, that's our episode. It's been

2072
01:37:52,279 --> 01:37:55,000
a while since we've all been together. Got a lot

2073
01:37:55,039 --> 01:37:58,039
more travel coming up, but will you know, knock on wood.

2074
01:37:58,039 --> 01:37:59,680
I think we're planning on all being here for the

2075
01:37:59,680 --> 01:38:01,319
next one, so that'd be fun.

2076
01:38:02,199 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 3: Try and do it come hell or high water. This

2077
01:38:03,920 --> 01:38:06,319
is very important to us and we appreciate your support

2078
01:38:06,399 --> 01:38:10,119
and thank you so much for the support of fire

2079
01:38:10,239 --> 01:38:12,720
Escape over the years. It's really meaningful, and if anything,

2080
01:38:13,159 --> 01:38:16,159
this is just a reminder to always support local support

2081
01:38:16,319 --> 01:38:18,720
at like the micro level, support at the.

2082
01:38:18,760 --> 01:38:20,079
Speaker 4: Human level, where you can.

2083
01:38:21,279 --> 01:38:25,079
Speaker 3: Who knows when Giant Bomb will just become corporate again,

2084
01:38:25,520 --> 01:38:28,920
Like you know, I can see it. Dan, Dan's going

2085
01:38:28,960 --> 01:38:31,199
to like start wearing suits and he's going to start

2086
01:38:31,199 --> 01:38:34,159
worrying about the numbers, and you know, worry.

2087
01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,439
Speaker 2: About the numbers. But yeah, no suits on the horizon.

2088
01:38:37,359 --> 01:38:38,439
Speaker 4: Do you even own a suit?

2089
01:38:38,720 --> 01:38:39,399
Speaker 3: You own a suit?

2090
01:38:39,479 --> 01:38:41,960
Speaker 2: Yeah? I bought a bunch when I got hired at Devnade,

2091
01:38:42,079 --> 01:38:43,319
but then the pandemic it and I didn't have to

2092
01:38:43,319 --> 01:38:44,760
wear any of them. So I was literally looking at

2093
01:38:44,760 --> 01:38:46,279
them today and be like, god, damn it. Spent like

2094
01:38:46,399 --> 01:38:48,239
probably a couple thousand dollars in all these suits and

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haven't worn them once because yeah, the pandemic it. Yeah,

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great suits you could wear.

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Speaker 3: You look nice in a suit. Nobody cleans up like Mike.

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He's always you.

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Speaker 2: Have to because you're moments, But I thank you.

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Speaker 4: I don't do it like without nothing.

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Speaker 3: But I'm just saying I think you have to because

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your wife's so smoking hot. If you were like dressed

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for the nines, yeah, she'll she'll find someone else. You

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gotta like keep it up. You gotta like you gotta

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keep going real, keep it at the highest bar.

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Speaker 1: Plus like this is me as well. You just wouldn't

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know that that helps.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, is that a penis thing? Yeah, it's huge.

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Speaker 3: It's always really hard walking around and you got to

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twelve foot python in your pants.

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Speaker 1: Four Yeah, So why I say them, It's fun to

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hear them.

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Speaker 2: Yeah that Mary. What do you have going on outside

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of the fire escape?

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Speaker 1: Yeah?

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Speaker 3: I usually say the same thing, but I will also

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say that because uh uh, I'm limiting my VODs on Twitch.

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I put everything on my YouTube. So if you ever

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want to watch an old stream of mine or even

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my new streams, I'm putting all of the VODs on YouTube.

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It's the same name, Emmy Ryki say, so you can

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watch everything on YouTube. I will also say, like, I

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have found that my social media of choice as of

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late really has been Instagram. So like if I'm posting

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Dan dancing at a clerb, or like fun photos of

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watching mcgruber in a hotel room, it's it's usually on Instagram,

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so you can find me there.

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Speaker 2: Cool Dan? What about you? I mean I think we

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talked about it, but blue Sky and Instagram for socials and.

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Speaker 3: What have you been up to?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? What do you want to?

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Speaker 3: What do you want to if you want to plug anything,

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this is the point.

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Speaker 2: I was gonna plug something. I would plug giant bomb

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dot com, which I have plugged for a long time now,

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but especially proud of it. Right now, we're gonna be

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making some fun stuff and giant bomb dot com slash Join.

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This thing is alive now because of people that support us,

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So yes, check us out for free if you can,

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but if you can support monetarily, giant bomb dot com

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slash join and it's gonna be very very fun cool.

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Speaker 1: And I'm playing Total War Warhammer three two co op

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campaigns with Anny Caravella of Nextlander.

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Speaker 2: We're doing one campaign here. You're on fire Escape.

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Speaker 1: If you're not subscribed, you want to see that, do

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that for our video tier. And then if you're not

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subscribing next Lander, you want to see our Evil campaign.

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We're playing different factions and different parts of the huge

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map that's over on next Lander. Go subscribe to their

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top tier as well. That's every other week. It's our

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off week. We publish our good campaign and then the

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Evil will publish a new one. Would have published today.

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Speaker 2: If you're listening to this episode right now on day one,

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all right, that's our.

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Speaker 1: Episode we'll be back, yeah, in a couple of weeks.

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Good to see both of you again.

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Speaker 3: While too, it's been nice. It's nice to catch up,

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and especially with such good news. Everybody's so successful. Somoliers

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co owners.

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Speaker 2: One hundred and fifty nine points. I think I forgot

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about that.

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Speaker 3: That's why you're my best ye, yeah.

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Speaker 1: I remember one hundred and fifty nine. I mean, if

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you don't bump those rookie numbers up, then we won't

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be besties. But I still think it was kind of

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impressive to begin with. All Right, everybody will see you

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in a couple of weeks.

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Speaker 2: Fah,