Speaker 1: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Alien Earth
season one finale spoiler's view. I am still the Canadian name.
Speaker 2: Here us down.
Speaker 3: I'm joined by I am the series finale Kirkland. Pats
are enjoying my nice Look at that just glorious cup
of water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's looking. Lots of condensation on that cup. For
the al I'm.
Speaker 3: Losing all the all the liquids to the condensation.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 4: I'm the hide and seek quick quick there revision two.
Speaker 1: Yes, ladies, gentlemen, we are here to talk about It's
been a journey, long time waiting for the show.
Speaker 2: Get it been a rocky road. Is the did they
land the plane?
Speaker 1: You know, many finales we've been through and we've seen
the best of the best, and we've seen actually we've
seen the worst sports. I think Secret Invasion you could say,
is like the worst Marble finale ever. So you know,
where does this rank and all the stuff, where's ranking Aliens?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: That'd be another conversation for another time. We're not gonna
do that tonight because just a fresh wound. But as always,
look at the feeds, lots of stuff dropping this week.
Speaker 2: Me and Taylor are gonna be reviewing gen V later on.
Speaker 1: There might be I've talked to dem about this. There
could be a bonus side quest tomorrow if there review,
some reveal some Wolverine stuff, so TVD.
Speaker 2: But then we are what do we got.
Speaker 1: Oh, Marvel Zombies tomorrow. That's gonna be lots of fun.
Peacemaker on Thursday. I will have a trust told you
on Wednesday, so look out for that.
Speaker 2: And then maybe one.
Speaker 1: Friday, I'll explain why I had to delay some stuff,
but I'll at least get you one there because.
Speaker 2: There's some good trailers stuff to talk about.
Speaker 1: And then yeah, lots of good stuff on the feed.
There's literally eight Episodestro maybe more. Eight episodes are dropping
this week. I actually on the gimmick. Taylor just did
a definitive history career or something of your gaming journey.
Speaker 2: I'm not listened to.
Speaker 1: Inside this, but yeah, when I saw that invocation my phone,
oh my god, it's Taylor like dying or something.
Speaker 2: That's what it feels like. It feels like a post
mortem cast. But go listen to it. I'm sure it's good.
I hope it's good. I don't know. I don't know.
Taylor's story. Was it good, Taylor?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it was. It was deep, it was heavy.
Speaker 6: Uh, And I unlocked a lot of core memories that
I actually had forgotten about ball Cool does balling all
the times I was beaten for getting caught playing video
games late at night past my bedtime.
Speaker 1: Teaching lesson sun but yeah, and then lots of exclusives
right now, later on this week or tomorrow recording the
White Men Can't Jump retrospective. We got the Tron retrospectives
that are there for the Patroon producers will be there
for Face two and up in a bit.
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Speaker 1: There's some really good spicy Halloween picks this year, and
luckily now the ones I've just recently watched, which always happens.
So if you want to vote on what we're gonna review,
go check that out. Soon there'll be a Christmas one
Bogey one. Tons of fun stuff.
Speaker 2: So yeah, lots of good stuff and we just after
not this past week and two.
Speaker 1: Obviously Kirk was not there for that, but it was
a that was a really fun one, Criculan, even though
you were there, it's worth listening to. We went, we
went on some tangents with the patrons. We're talking aliens,
we're talking divorce situations.
Speaker 5: All.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of stuff, so uh, check out that.
Speaker 1: But kirkham Patzer, because you haven't been on it a
little bit, I'm gonna start with you, especially because that name,
you know, because I will be clear for people it
is nowhere doesn't say a serious finale on Disney Plus
on social media.
Speaker 3: But it's my push back to the title of this
episode because I saw Alien Earth season one finale and
I'm like, oh right, this is like attention season one.
Speaker 1: When I then we pull it up, I swear when
I went to the main page, it says the season
one finale.
Speaker 3: I will confirm, but there hasn't been confirmation for anything
beyond that, right, there's not.
Speaker 1: But there's not been non confirmation, so all it says
Alien Earth season finale now streaming, So not serious so
as right now there's in season finale.
Speaker 3: You threw the season one in there for a little extra,
little extra bazazz and that that upset me, just just
think with the potential of where we could be going
on that, because uh yeah, I really didn't love the
show by the end of it. I think, like where
we are in episode eight, like just going into it,
I had some hopes of what we were gonna be
touching upon, just just with like specifically the Eye Alien.
I feel like that the Eye Alien kurseh and then
just seeing like tying up of loose ends like that.
That was what I was looking forward to in this episode. Uh,
not so much of like oh, how is this gonna
save the show for me? Or like oh how like
I'm just so invested in this character development, Like what
are they gonna do for the season fan out like
nowhere near for that is just okay, do something to
make me give a little bit of bonus marks, I think,
I think in my mind, and unfortunately I really didn't
get there. I think I was able to have enough
enjoyment for the ride of like, Okay, the show does
look good. I think there's great performances, for sure, there's
certain shots with the lighting that's just crazy. And it's
just like, man, like this is this is a well
made show of like like the practical effects and everything,
and like like visually some spots with some some some
CGI aliens that don't look the greatest. But I feel
like for the most part, it is a really good
looking show, and I can't appreciate that at least sitting
there for like a forty five minute episode, like, at
least it looks good. Unfortunately, like some of just the
character decisions and and dialogue, it just yeah makes me
want to pull my eyes out and sometimes and replace.
Speaker 2: It, like it looks you know, it looks good and everything,
but yeah.
Speaker 3: It looks good, but mute on. But then when I
have volume on, Yeah, I'm just so baffled by like
what happened at the end, really unsatisfied of an ending,
like maybe they're they're hoping to pick this up in
season two. I don't want a season two and the
fact that it's like you know, spoiler free terror to
but just like what they ended up doing by the end,
I was just so upset, Yeah, not not hyped, so
so upset with what just didn't end here. Maybe I'll
say that. So, yeah, I I never am gonna rewatch
the show, even if there is a season two and
I get roped into that that review, I'm sure I'll
join by volunteering, just just because that's what I do
to myself. But I wouldn't rewatch season one for this.
I yeah, I just really don't care for this story
and uh don't really like the canonical annotations that this
this provides for the for the universe of Alien, if
that makes any sense at all. But yeah, I'll leave.
Speaker 2: Mister Alien predator boy last.
Speaker 1: I remember a couple of weeks ago when Kirkland said
that very same statement, like I'll never rewatch this, and
that was that the point where I was liking the show,
and I was like, oh, really like never, because I.
Speaker 2: Didn't think it was that low.
Speaker 1: Obviously, the last few weeks have been more rocky, and
then last week, to me, it was a big nose dive.
And then this week, instead of pulling up, we just
fucking crashed. We just crashed and we died.
Speaker 3: And that was a ship from episode one that's.
Speaker 2: We need a flashback episode to save us.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I it's it's tough and non spoiler of us,
but it doesn't end in a way where to me.
I talked about this just recently with like interviewing the
Vampire Hannibal, where it's like, oh, every season ends and
there's always a few things left open, so you're going
to carry on.
Speaker 2: That'd be great, but.
Speaker 1: You could stop watch big Oh any season Hannibal, you
could stop watch like that's the end of the story.
That kind of makes sense right there, right, like it
sometime might be bleak, but it's like, well, that's the
way it goes. The villain wins right where this I
guess technically you could, but I feel like there's too
many open ended things and just even little things, not
even big spoilers, And it doesn't end on like a
cliffhand and no one like has a gun to someone
so that you better do this on faceback.
Speaker 2: No, it doesn't end that way.
Speaker 1: So like it does end, but it just, man, the
ending just is such a thud, like just such a
womp wamp. It's just multiple things that are going on here.
I can't wait to ask kirklem about one thing in particular,
some ending of the storyline.
Speaker 3: But yeah, I'm sorry to interject, I totally forgot Christian
Slater's in our background right now, and I just noticed
them and like that was me watching this episode.
Speaker 1: I feel that that face that was me literally from
minute one because something happens like oh they did this, okay, cool, yeah,
and for me, this is really disappointing. And to go
full circle, I was just saying, with Kirkland's point, I'm
the same we were.
Speaker 2: I'll never watch this again. There.
Speaker 1: I think the problem is because it had a lot
of potential, even though when we start I said, I
don't know how they're gonna do this as a series,
some of the things they introduced, and okay, I'm intrigued here,
but it really just felt like at the it feels
like these last two episodes were similar to like a
Marvel finale where everything was very rush even though on
like a Marvel finale where they close things off, they
left multiple things open, so they rushed it, and I
feel unsatisfied, you know, at least with.
Speaker 2: Like want of vision, like oh this is really rush.
Speaker 1: But you get this great seal of vision and the
kids go away and all this stuff and want to
sit under an ext trajectory right where this just feels
like I'm like this does not feel like a finale
at all. This just feels like, oh, there's another episode
next week, right, but there's not so clear they're wanting
a season two.
Speaker 2: I would still review this because.
Speaker 1: We've had fun enough, we like the lore, and obviously
these have done very well for us on a business side,
so definitely, if it happens.
Speaker 2: We're there.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it had a lot of potential,
but anything can have potential. It's all about the pacing,
the execution, and what you do with said potential. And
for me, it's a big disappointment because I have not
seen Fargo. But as I said, big no, Hally Fank
is a llegiant and that show that's a show. Season
one ends where wow, that's a big moment and some
stuff that you could carry on, but you could just
end it right there.
Speaker 2: So kind of disappointing.
Speaker 1: Not sure if it's a ham thing, a Disney thing,
an alien thing or all connection or you know Fox
who Low twentieth century whatever they call themselves now.
Speaker 2: Like I just I don't know. It just something feels
off about the series.
Speaker 1: And I'm just waiting for like three weeks from now
some report to come out like oh, they're doing this,
but they went this direction.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It doesn't feel like a justic situation.
Shouldn't get me wrong.
Speaker 1: It just feels a little undercooked, especially, which is odd
because this show, I feel it was announced a long time.
Speaker 2: I felt like we were waiting and waiting.
Speaker 1: Wasn't a show like oh it was announced one year
and out the next was like, okay, the rushes out
to get this out for a streaming service.
Speaker 2: Like no, I feel like this thing's been bacon for
a little bit here marinating.
Speaker 1: So yeah, there's still some good visuals. I think performances
for the most part, are still good. I think there
was like a couple of scenes in here I might
have enjoyed, but overall I was just either.
Speaker 2: Disliking what I saw or scratching my head. So yeah,
big disappointment here with this show. I definitely am with
curcling that I don't need more.
Speaker 1: If they were to say we're doing a different alien thing,
whether that is a spin off of one of the
movies or something else or something, you know, not a
TV show, but something like Prayer Killers Killers, where it's
something that's kind of anthology, maybe I'd take that.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was not a fan of this, and
I do not need season two.
Speaker 1: And you know, I guess if we get season two,
hopefully there's like a massive improvement. But this did not
make me want more. This felt very much like Original
Sin to me. When that ended, I'm like winning any
day for them to say it's not canceling.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, you know, speaking Ferry Morgan right there, just cool.
I don't gotta worry about that. And that's kind of
where I am now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so not not exactly what I was hoping for
at the end of all things here with the Alien Earth.
Speaker 2: So Taylor Field, what did you feel of a Alien Earth?
Speaker 1: Because I feel like you've been a bit more posmous
but definitely feeling some murkiness on it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would say, I know what my favorite episode is,
and I know where a lot of the show for
me is good.
Speaker 5: And hitting the right notes.
Speaker 6: But in terms of the final episode here, nah, it
didn't do it for me.
Speaker 5: And I was.
Speaker 6: I was just kind of like taking online and just
like taking it up online, looking and see what people
were talking about. And one guy he was like, oh,
I'm quite satisfied with how this went. They wrapped of
everyone's stories right, yes, yes, idea and then directly yeah,
but he's just talking about how everything was wrapped up,
the storylines were all concluded properly.
Speaker 2: Everything.
Speaker 4: I'm thinking, what was he watching because there's still.
Speaker 6: So many things that it's it's I guess you could
look at it like the storyline was wrapped up, but
not in a good way. There's a few characters in
here where the story uh just transitions, the narrative transfers
into a new storyline, but you don't ever get anything
concluding that person's story, and I mean, what story and
the things that they set up these weird scenes, these
weird moments where there's pauses or they're giving inconspicuous looks,
or they're clearly up to their own things, their own
weird kind of objectives and goals. But then it's just like, okay,
we're just gonna like shut that down and it's just
going to be transitioning into this, like, oh, we're just
gonna end it just like this. You don't have to
worry about anymore because you're getting this abrupt ending to
this character story. It's like, that's not great story telling,
and I don't like that, And it just feels like
it's a it's a turn off, and everything that we
got in this episode to me felt like this was,
as Travis your famous word, the pin ultimate.
Speaker 5: This feels like a pin ultimate episode and that we.
Speaker 6: Should be getting one more to kind of show how
the season is going to end. This is not a
great season ender in my opinion. I don't think it's
it's it's not ideal. I don't want more.
Speaker 4: I don't want more seasons focused on what they created here.
Speaker 2: I don't silver line like, well, you know they could
do this in this.
Speaker 6: Wow, there's there's that ship is sale like it's too late,
and I think again, my favorite episode is the flashback
where we're on the ship and yeah, you got people
being stupid and doing making stupid decisions, but at least
to me, that felt the most alien to me, and
I enjoyed the whole setup and everything just falling apart.
Speaker 5: I really really like that.
Speaker 1: And so here we are with this, So you can
kind of watch that episode as like a movie by itself.
Speaker 5: And I totally will.
Speaker 6: I absolutely we'll go back and rewatch that episode because
it's freaky, it's terrifying. You get a lot of really
good ship in that episode, So I enjoy it. But yeah,
where we came to with with this though this finale
it's yeah, it's not great.
Speaker 5: It is not great.
Speaker 6: And uh yeah, I keep seeing more and more you know,
cool pread or stuff.
Speaker 4: Bad Lands went up, thinking, hey, you know this is
in a.
Speaker 6: Time where I thought Predator would kind of be going
above Alien. I never really thought that there ever was
a time when Preader was kind of going above Alien.
Speaker 5: I feel like Alien.
Speaker 4: Owaga the other way, what did I say?
Speaker 1: You said in time Preader was going above Alien? I
would have never thought there's a time Predator is going
above Alien. Yeah, okay, so you're just saying, so you're saying,
for what's happening right now, you'd have never seen happen
that Preadtor is like the main dog, right Yeah.
Speaker 4: I always and it's probably just me. I always felt
like Alien. Yeah.
Speaker 6: I always felt like Alien was kind of that franchise
that was always just kind of like up and maybe
on like a like to the side little bit, but
it was always kind of like top shelf up there
in terms of like an ip compared to Predator.
Speaker 1: Aleen Well, I'd say, because Alien one and two like
as much as people love the Predator or sorry, not
the Predator as much as people just love Predator.
Speaker 2: The Arnold one.
Speaker 1: I think some people might classify that even as like
a big it's a B level action movie, but because
of some of the effects and someone like Arnold got
elevated to an A movie, right, But that easily was
some wrong directing, wrong cast. That could have been just
like another eighties Oh there's a monster here where Alien
is definitely hailed as like this inspired this person, this
inspired that, And then even for Aliens, right, every time
someone makes a sequel that's a little bit different than
the first.
Speaker 2: Oh oh we wanted to pull in Aliens.
Speaker 1: You know, so, I'd say because of those two, even
what Predators now, I don't think Preder can ever top Alien.
Lest to make some film right now that's gonna inspire generations,
I don't think that's gonna happen. I think, of course,
inspiration can be found everywhere, but I think that's why
Alien will always be on top, like legacy wise. But hey,
you gotta see badlines first though, right, so you can
I'd say, right now, there, I don't know, it's tough
because I guess Killer of Killers is in there.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: So I feel like if we're doing like a win
loss record, Predator's like two.
Speaker 2: Oh, and Alien's like a one and one.
Speaker 1: But you don't know, badlines would come out and do
the same thing this is doing, right, I doubt it,
but you never know. Right, people love beneath this and
a lot of people did not love Covenants. So we
can see Track Deburg easily fumble the ball and then
you're like, oh, what's happening.
Speaker 2: Preda and Alien their back.
Speaker 1: They've both had some bad runs back together, you know,
and then Alien does have some sort of wrongless sequel
cooking somewhere no fetti.
Speaker 5: But somewhere. Yeah, Ridley, Ridley though.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't love that? Is that it?
Speaker 5: Yeah? That's it?
Speaker 1: All right, We're gonna take our break, we're gonna get
into this and then we'll be right back.
Speaker 2: And we're back.
Speaker 1: So I want to start with this guy because Harry's
someone like, oh things would be revealed. That just kind
of ended kersh Man. What a big disappointment that was,
Like we talked about why is he doing this?
Speaker 2: What's he up to?
Speaker 1: You get to don't really know why, and maybe season
two to reveal that, or maybe season two is just
gonna get that. This character is always like, oh things
are going on, because I always will say, at least
with David, he's a chaos machine, but he wants to create, right,
He's tired of being held down, so you know why
he's doing that ash right, he's the first one in
uh yeah, you know why he's working for Waylan Utelli.
Speaker 2: Really, I feel like, and even I can't remember why,
but I feel like there was.
Speaker 1: A whole flashback of why when on a Ryder was
doing what she was doing, like it was explained to
us why this synth was here and helping out.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure though, right.
Speaker 3: Because you're probably right, I don't remember it.
Speaker 1: Where this just is just again it's tough because I'm
sure they might go, well our plans do season two. Yeah,
that's great, I guess, But I just feel this is
so I won't say unearned. It just feels empty now,
you know, to the point where I want just you
don't gott to reveal the whole kid in Kaboodle Me,
but just gives a little bit something. But now we
just got a fight scene, his back off broken and
I he's still alive. But that was to be really
disappointing because when when Marrow was coming, Oh, here's what
we talked about, like, is reveal where he's behind the scenes,
and will you tell you he's gonna talk to this
guy about his own stuff. Seems like maybe he was
helping him, but not like all this stuff we theorize,
not even that wasn't answer, wasn't even hinted about it.
Just he was there on a computer, had a fight
scene and then he was bleeding milk everywhere, and that's it.
Speaker 2: That was Kursh for the finale. You know.
Speaker 6: It's just I thought he killed Marrow, to be honest,
and I gotta get that more mad.
Speaker 5: I was like, what the fuck is this?
Speaker 2: For season two?
Speaker 6: Yall?
Speaker 3: We choked him out? Yeah, yeah, why didn't he Why
didn't he kill him?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, right, we have no reason why he did.
Speaker 3: No idea tune into season two that hopefully will never come.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it's so bizarre, like just specifically for for
well not even just specifically for Kursh especially, you know,
like we're gonna talk about it, but like at the end,
the fact that we have like all of our villains
air quote villains in a room together and none of
them are like dispatched at all, Like they're literally just
just there like in a cage. It's just so crazy
to me, and like there we had time in this
episode to have a great one on one between Moreau
and Kersh or have a great one on one between
the eyeball alien that's like possessed with someone like like
actually speaking or something, because we kept alluding to that,
and we didn't get any of that. Uh, we see
him take over the fucking rotting husband's body on the beach,
but like that's that, like he just wakes up like
like Jason and that that's absolutely it. We get nothing
for that, even though again like been excited to see
that the season, Like, come.
Speaker 1: On, does the I know I harpen this is not
the most important storyline at all, but like does the
wife who know her husband dead, like.
Speaker 3: Know she was married? Like she didn't say his name once,
like I think the last probably last time she saw him,
that was like the last time she even acknowledged.
Speaker 1: That's when he was last time, Like you can stand
by this and she, oh, I do the work I
thought when you have to die fan that oh for sure,
just easy horror movie TV making one on one is
that's when the wife's finally gonna see this thing's going to.
Speaker 2: See him and I think it's her husband.
Speaker 1: Then get too close and too but I thought.
Speaker 3: Because they're all alive, like all of our main players
are in a cage right now that they can just
pull it from.
Speaker 1: That's the only dude that died was that guy right there,
the husband. Like, I guess we lost one. Yeah, we
lost We didn't give a funk about Isaac really like whatever,
So yeah, I thought for sure it's happened, But no,
he just uh gets the eyeball, and I guess that
actor can return of the dude the season two. He
still gets to have some work to.
Speaker 2: Walk around for this, but for him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that scene when they tried to put it on
hermit man that that wasn't great either, because there's where.
Speaker 5: I did like that.
Speaker 3: It was a great setup.
Speaker 1: I like like the lead up fine, even though the
guys in the room, I I can't get there actually
just because like he's a deal. You might like he's
just speaking like he's Nicholas, and it's like it's funny.
I watched like Dracula today, like the Keanu Reeves, Gary
Old the one and that one's even worse because like
literally as like a sword, he like cuts his hand
like blood you see it.
Speaker 2: Like he's just like, what the fuck you doing? Keanu run?
Like why you hear? But that's what the butler guy
felt like.
Speaker 7: He just felt like it will be quite fruitful for
you and your sister, like be like just he like
the fact that he I don't like.
Speaker 1: Okay, sure, he was like very cautiously, He's like, okay, whatever, dude,
I guess whatever is best for my sister. Like he
just turned into fucking like James Frankel from Pineapple Express,
no urgency whatsoever. My problem with that scene is kay
fights the eyeball and everything, but as he runs the
eyeball jump and he like turns, He's like.
Speaker 2: Oh why you turn him?
Speaker 1: Bro?
Speaker 2: Why you turn it at all? Just to set up
like this CG I thing can only do X, Y
and Z.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all this, uh all this sucked to me,
you know, like it did.
Speaker 2: None of it worked, none of it.
Speaker 1: You know, at times the eyeball creature wasn't looking great
and yeah just again lead nowhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah cool, it's fair, fair points. I I feel like
at this point I've seen so many dumb decisions from
like every character in the show, including like the flashback episode,
Like these characters are just so fucking stupid in this show.
So him, you know, making this decision, we've we've we've
ragged on him multiple times this season of like why
does he think he can get his sister off this
this island, Like he's been denied like nine times, Like
like it's not happening, dude, and he's like a chance
scoping out the boats, you know, Like like this guy
is so stupid, he just doesn't register. So I am
not surprised that he's just going with his butler guy
and and going to get.
Speaker 2: That she was killing my friends.
Speaker 1: Your friends, those are your friends. They were they were
gonna like hunt you and your sister down, and like
they put you in prison. They put them both in.
Speaker 2: Like whatever, what was this company called again? Progy? They
put you in Progy prison. And he's like, but they
were she was killing my friends, like kill you so
stupid kill him.
Speaker 3: But I'm like, Okay, we're gonna get the eyeball alien
and a human here, so this is exciting. And they
fucking talk blocked me.
Speaker 2: Exact.
Speaker 3: No, I didn't you know you got an alien in
the human eyeball, I didn't get words spoken at all.
Boy Caviar is such a waste of a character. I'm
so mad that he's still living.
Speaker 1: They try to drop like that he's on the spectrum
thing like like in the nice.
Speaker 5: Dropping.
Speaker 3: This is because you have mental disabilities. This is why I.
Speaker 1: Just like, this isn't needed right now, This isn't bad anything.
And you're just like and you didn't even get that
Kirk wh and you didn't even get the boy taken
out by dude.
Speaker 3: I know, I know when when the the zeno like
pops out and we have like the crazy strobe lights
going on, like this is it? Like I literally stopped
what I was doing. I'm like, hey, this is it.
This is what I've been waiting for all season. This
is gonna be my show, my show's favor at all.
Speaker 1: And that's a funny thing too, Like if this show
gets canceled, which I'm sure you want to be, gets canceled,
you'll never get to see.
Speaker 3: That guy's just alive in Cannon or not even head
canon regular canon where Ripley's at.
Speaker 5: This guy is probably gonna.
Speaker 1: Oh man, that moment when uh uh is it, Wendy.
Speaker 2: Yeah. She's like they're like, well, what are we do next? Wendy?
She just we rule and they go to and he's
like like he's like laughing, like.
Speaker 5: He's as hard as a fucking rock.
Speaker 2: Up. Here's the thing.
Speaker 3: He's like the jama bottoms too. You know, that doesn't
hide anything.
Speaker 1: There are some characters where you can do that that
even when they get bested, they kind of laugh because
it's like a joker well done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like well done. Even to me, someone like a.
Speaker 1: David character would react and kind of like, oh, someone's
acting in a certain sort of nature. But this guy
has given no like he he doesn't want them to
evolve for themselves. He wants to evolve so he can
just so it's like I can speak new languages. Like
he's pure selfish. And so when they I don't know
what this laugh was, but the laugh to me maybe
like he was almost like proud, right, like look at
these things growing.
Speaker 2: That was never really it.
Speaker 1: And so if that was the laugh that they intended
that to me, either with acting or the direction of it,
like oh laugh like this, but.
Speaker 2: That's not warranted.
Speaker 1: This character didn't come off like that where they're just
trying to push the medium forward for anything. It's like no,
and then there's just so much with the ADHD with
Man just to be like, yeah, my dad beat the shimmy,
I made a Droy and that killed my dad. And
then literally the next scene he's like, well, this is
the Droy something. It's like they should drop that like
early in the season. That's why I felt like it
was just.
Speaker 2: They were told wrap everything up and they didn't.
Speaker 1: But it just was like, why did you introduce this?
Now you're gonna drop this anywhere else? And don't get
me wrong, I kind of like that as a fun twist.
But again, man, the eyeball scenes happening when he's about
to fight this guy who you know, was the joy
that he broke, like built like a dad figure. They
go to fight, no you staw any stops like oh.
Speaker 3: Man, I like she's just got you said that right now,
which like as it happened, I just got so mad
about that again because it's like, hey, we just literally
have god tear robots now, like like like this is
just pinnacle of technology, these like five children prodigy like
he can if he's still in the Commander Sea Boy Caviar,
the leaders of Prodigy, which he isn't anymore, but like
if he was, like there's no competition now, Like you
don't even need the fucking xenomorph, Like you don't need
alien species. Now this is the pinnacle. Like they can
control everything, they could stop, they could speak to the Zenos,
they can control the Aliens. It's just what that is
introducing to like the scope of what the Alien franchise
is and the fact that this is a prequel, and
also the fact that they're not dead or anything. Like
like the last fucking words of the show. If we
don't get season two is now we rule like that
that is just that's cannon now like two years before
the events of Ripley and Alien, like, fuck, I hope they.
Speaker 2: Just didn't have to.
Speaker 1: Like they go to the boats and there's like no
gasoline and they're just like drowned.
Speaker 2: You know, they're just stuck. They're just stuck on the island.
Speaker 1: Boy, you know, they look they look at kersh and
he's like, why can't we get up this planet?
Speaker 2: And he's like.
Speaker 5: But he's like, because it's back.
Speaker 2: I said that wrong. I said, what do we need
to say gasoline? But it's just again yeah and again.
I guess it's supposed to be what season two would be,
but I yeah, there's.
Speaker 1: Uh three what five to six synth kids and there's
two was e no more stick and control.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, I don't like any of this stuff.
Speaker 3: That's his name, Nathan, the running corpse with the eyeball.
Speaker 2: And the brother too.
Speaker 1: He's with her who gives provides nothing to the team,
literally just just wines.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just because you mentioned the brother too that moment
Row is like, how does it to be be to
be like a cyborg like with his fucking iron lung thing,
like trying to like like like we're one of the
same now, Like what the fuck are you talking about here? Man?
Like again, a character that I was interested in all
season and then this episode I'm just like, man, what
a what a stupid character? Like like just uninteresting. And
they introduced so many cool seeds with him, with like
like the tie to young Utahni to like the fact
that he's just a sydeboards that the things with his daughter,
like they gave him so many layers and then like
just to round out, well, I guess it's not round
out because he's part of the fucking Petrie dish with
all the other villains. At the end, he's in that
bird cage with everyone else, so he's still a player.
He can come back for next season if they want
to do that. But just disappointing, disappointing end of that character.
Speaker 2: Do you have anything to say on anything we come
here with. I don't know. We went to a lot
there around bound.
Speaker 1: We've thrown all our complaints out at once, but anything
that darged mind, it's it's.
Speaker 6: With everything with boy Prodigy Cavalier, it's it is very disappointing.
I just let down with the Eye Alien too. I
really wanted to see some climactic kind of fallout with that.
And again I love the scene where he is set
up in the hermits. Basically his first instinct is to
go inside that.
Speaker 5: That cage, and I really like that.
Speaker 6: I like how the eyes trying to like open the handle,
and this thing's just like it's so fucking smart.
Speaker 5: I really like that.
Speaker 6: But I after the fact, yeah, just it gets like
Wendy saves the day, kicks it away, and then yeah,
it just goes way out into the fucking beach and
finds this uh, this body decaying corpse take over, Like
that's a long ways away from the base, I'm assuming,
and there's still a lot of people in the base
that it could take over.
Speaker 5: I don't know, It's just it's weird.
Speaker 2: It just doesn't a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: We have the alien when it like Alien Baby, when
it like the Xenomorph get like popping up throughout the
like when they caught it.
Speaker 6: Remember, yeah, which is this doesn't make any sense. They're
not catching as Zeno babies. Doesn't make any sense. But
and again here I thought they were making some exclusive
like oh, the one alien here and Wendy have this
special bond, but now just seems no, like she just
any Zeno. Just in general, it's like, okay, she's got
control of them. Now we got two Zenos here. It's
like this is just such a change of story, Like
obviously we know that they're gonna wreck on some things
with the alien universe. And I try to hold onto
the canon very loosely. I just look at alien stuff
is really all anthology, same as Predator. But at this
point it's like, Okay, whale Utani is gonna show up
on the island. They're gonna get what the island's gonna
blow up. No, they're gonna get the Xeno Corpse, they're
gonna get the other two Xeno morphs. They're gonna get
something out of this, for sure. I don't know how
you'd spin it otherwise, but uh yeah, it just it
conflicts with Romulus because in Romulus they had to find
the body of the big chap in space from the Nostromo.
I don't know, it's just it's so annoying and it's
it's bothersome, and I really feel like they could have
done something with boy Cavaliers Cavalier.
Speaker 5: I don't know why they.
Speaker 6: Needed to keep him alive like we've we've we've run,
Like they should have just run the course and they
should have had these characters grow and develop with him
and then kind of learn, okay as they did, to
kind of stand up to him and put him in
his place and just go from there. But they wanted
to put them all on a cage. I guess it
works because like they're they're kiddy and they're doing this
because it's it's like very kiddy, like, oh, time out
for all you guys or something like that.
Speaker 5: But I don't know it.
Speaker 2: Yes, it's good for the moral companies. I don't want
to just like execute all these people.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's tough because I feel like with the
boy genius, either there's like unfortunately only two routes to
go is either he's a smart to get him and
the bad guys out of there, or there's like a
redemption arc. Now I don't see that there would be
a redemption arc, so I think it would be like
he knows there's some key or if you rewire this
so you get to do like that's the only way
I would think.
Speaker 2: If he's just sitting there and he's like, oh and
someone else gets some money, he's like, oh great, we're out.
Speaker 1: Like, I don't know what else unless there's some sort
of way that with waylon Utani, he would like give
up a bunch of his stuff, Like maybe they would
use some of these things that happened on this island
to like blackmailm or something. I don't know, But again,
nothing i've pitched here sounds of interest. I think that's
why when they made that like laugh at the end
when he's like proud of it, that was that character
that this character was the you eat him at the
end with the xenomar where you have Wendy kill him
or I guess Hermie got a kick in there. But
I think he's the And don't get me wrong, I
don't think that's a strong thing. I don't think he
was a strong archetype. And it didn't that Like I'm
not saying like, oh, if he would have got killed
by Xenomore, this would have been a nine at ten
fin now I know, but it just would have been
like at least something where I say, okay, you did
that beat right, But yeah, it's just some odd choice
that even then too, when they locked up Moreau on
the first time, and I get it they want to
cover subnetic arm, but they like give him Thor's hammer
on his fucking arm. So like when he gets out
of he just beat the shit of anybody when he
was being that guy down, Like did he transform his arm, Like,
oh no, that's the thing that's supposed to withhold his arm,
Like there's nothing, like there's nothing like just like a
fucking like tag or something you can inject his arm
that just like turns it off.
Speaker 2: You know, it has to be like a big fucking
sledge hammer.
Speaker 3: Mallet, straight jacket, hannibal mask him, Like, I feel like
there's a lot of things that you could easily do
but in.
Speaker 1: One of those cells that the aliens had, But no,
they just give him a fucking like call dirty call
called dirty called melee perk. You get in a battle
pass and just like why, like, who's this gonna help?
Speaker 2: It helped him.
Speaker 1: He killed those people and uh, you know, he's just
gonna kill everybody, and they didn't. He got locked up
as well too. He did tell at least uh what's
his name, that he didn't hurt his mom. So good
for the mom. She made it out.
Speaker 3: You know, if you tell him the truth, what do
you saying in that position? Row, I fucking killed your mom, dude,
like you you're not saying that line?
Speaker 2: Beat her to death with this. I went back over there,
beat her came back. I had time for.
Speaker 3: Oh man, I forgot to mention when you when you
brought up the the last sne with Wendy and she's like,
now we rule. I I as that scene was going up,
and all of our are like main whatever we're calling them,
villains antagonists are in that the bird cage. I like
paused and I noticed that there's five minutes left in
the show, and I'm like, unfucking real, Like, there's actually
not closing out any of these character stories.
Speaker 2: That rock music hid well.
Speaker 3: Even before the rock music hit and I pause it
and it was five minutes left. I literally just pictured
my head like the classic you know, I love the
Joe Biden meme. When I plays the Transformers credits, I
could like hear that song building up in my head,
and then actual rocks Like music came on. I'm like, man, like,
if they just use the actual what is it a
fallout boy or is episode song is liking Park Lina Park,
they should just use link a Park for this because
it's just so fitting and I could at least use
it as a meme for that purpose. But now I'm
just upset over that because yeah, just just crazy, just
crazy that they had literally all of the characters and like, yeah,
we're just not going to end any of this, and
the fact that they're all alive. We can pick and
chew it like helps the writers if we get a
season two, because we can really pick from any character
on what we want to go down. We can kill
off whoever next season or just hold them on. Maybe
next season they don't. Maybe nobody dies and we just
hold them in another bird cage. Yeah, so upset. I
also didn't really talk about like the lost boy children
or anything like that. I just really was not vibing
with their Okay, we'll just burn down the whole castle
and that's that. Like it just seemed like any interesting
qualities characters had. I feel like it was just thrown out,
like in this episode, like even the ones that like
did bad ship, like fucking Stinky and Wrangle whatever the
fuck their names were.
Speaker 2: It's not our fault, which is true. It wasn't his
fault because he didn't know right, so.
Speaker 3: I would have been like, it was your fucking fault
actually in that place in the wrong time.
Speaker 1: But he just said it when he said it's not
our fault, because he's like, it's it's not our fault.
Speaker 2: He's like, you're right, it's not our fault.
Speaker 3: And the guy was like, yeah, it's just it's these
guys fault and they're the enemies now, and you know,
it just seemed like, well, now we don't have to
cover anything that we that we build up towards and
then the season because and.
Speaker 1: They didn't feel like the last week when the brother
shot her, I thought she was good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they just showed up like pearl to the
fucking well again, right even when I didn't even kill her.
Speaker 2: No, that's what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like I talked for like I can't remember. There's one
of the episodes that you weren't anchoring me interior talking about,
because it was the scene with that therapy scene, right
when she gets and goes to killer, Like, well, clearly
that's trajectory that because she's holding her down, at some
point she's gonna snap and kill her. And then when
she was killed last week, I was like, oh, no,
I guess that was wrong. And then this week you're like, oh, yeah,
here we go. They're storytelling one on one. They're gonna
pay that off now, just creepy spy on blocks in
the Cage's like okay, cool, sure, you know, it's like
it's not awful, but it's just again like this character
who's literally given us nothing.
Speaker 2: They gave us this fucking husband's subplut.
Speaker 1: That didn't need to be there, Like this character, I
legitimately think you could just remove out and put most
of stuff on the husband that died and you'd be
completely fine.
Speaker 2: Just make them a scientist slash therapist.
Speaker 1: You're good to go. You save on an actor rate,
you give someone else a bit more lines. There's nothing here.
Haven't married his fucking self. I don't care, like there's
have his wife, just be a phone call and he
does the voice on the other side, like like, there's
nothing here that this character is needed for, and I
just like, man, I just I don't.
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't get it.
Speaker 1: Again, it's just, yeah, I guess I don't want the
kids just to kill these people.
Speaker 2: But then if you don't go that road, it has
to be something more entertaining. Then I guess.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're just locked a burger cage and the Xeno
Wars are gonna watch over them.
Speaker 2: And again, same thing. I just in fact, these two
Zinos are just chilling, hanging out.
Speaker 1: And there's a couple of lines too, which is just
I get what they're going for, but I didn't because
she's talking about She's like, well, I can remember what
she says, this brother set up Lyne, but she's like,
you know, humans blah blah blah, and the aliens, you know,
they don't think like that, you know, and then the brothers,
well they're they're predators, and you know they're after us,
that they're after you, and it's like, okay, I guess.
Don't get me wrong. I thought what the brother did
last week.
Speaker 2: Was shitty, but at least he was I guess he
got a few reasons.
Speaker 1: They're my friends, and then he was trying to protect
the sisters, like, okay, that at least makes sense. We're
some of these other Like, I don't think you can
compare Brother to the other humans that are making these decisions, right,
and we've even seen kersh right, so it's not like okay.
Imagine if Curs's reveal was, hey, I helped you with
this thing getting the kids in the bodies, and what
you guys did actually was really fucked up. The way
you treat them as fucked up. So I want to
fuck you guys over you know, synth androids for life.
He didn't, so for her trying to like do the
whole like, well, humans are really bad. Yeah, so the
fucking robot over there like he's so it doesn't it
doesn't work the algory they're trying to make it. Even then,
I know I'm not trying to defend a corporation here.
Speaker 2: But when he's when they're like, well, we should be
able to go, and he's like, well you don't like
I own you, and they're like, you know, you don't
know us, Like, yeah, he does.
Speaker 1: You would all be dead in the fucking ground with nothing.
Right now, I'm not saying.
Speaker 3: They like all ill with cancer. I forgot that.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying the person wasn't shit, he didn't take advantage.
I get that right, and I'm saying to break out right,
But the way to write that is there should have
been some sort of twist or something there. But it's
not like, literally, he gave you life, so there should
be something a bit more for when the turn happens.
They're making it seem like, let's say, in a situation
because they tell muse dad right, like, they're making it
seem like his dad created this, his dad died and
then this boy. Because the way this character's played, he's
just like inherit everything. That's what it feels like, right,
So it would be different if Hey, I didn't create
these robots, I just got them because my dad died.
Your mind now, and they could say you don't own
us because you didn't fucking make us, But the show no.
Speaker 2: Twist here has just fed us.
Speaker 1: This guy was responsible for helping this happen, right, He
helped the science behind to get the thing in there.
So he does own you, you'd be fucking dead. I'm
not saying again, I'm not saying to uh, don't go
against him. That's fine, but that line of dialogue makes
zero sense. That'd be like if I walk to my dad, like,
or my mom, you didn't give birth to me. It's like,
my mom could be a piece of shit that I want
to disagree, like disown.
Speaker 2: No she's not.
Speaker 1: She's a lovely woman. But I just mean, like, you
didn't give birth to me. It's like, yeah, you did.
You were in labor, you know, nine months. Like it
just it's writing one on one that like, no one
looks at us like this doesn't make sense, this basic
little thing here, you know. And that's where I thought
the character was gonna come back and saying they just.
Speaker 2: Kind of stopped and then she went god note off.
Speaker 1: The security went down and she opened the doors and
the Xino was there. So it's just like, where's the
drawa in this? Where's the sakes of none of the
people here with guns or anything.
Speaker 2: Can't do anything. So I'm all said, let's take our
last ad break bear it back. We're back to the
end of my ted talk. So for the rant, I
just I just couldn't believe said that.
Speaker 3: I was just I just hopefully it's the last time
we have to complain about the show.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder. I really don't know nowadays.
Speaker 1: I guess for me, I guess it all depends on
how much it costs because obviously streaming shows there's a
lot of like Penny pinching now right, maybe they're gonna
do what they did with Mando and Malwana, where they're
gonna make a season two, but they'll be like, you
know what, there should be a movie or you get
Alien Earth the movie.
Speaker 3: I mean that's just one and done. You know, like
just go the boys at the theater. We have a
good time, you can kind of laugh at it together.
But like just eight weeks, I feel like we started
this in February. It's been a ride where was I
gonna go, uh No, we already kind of talked about
hyeball Alien That was disappointing. Nothing even really with a
goat was interesting. Like before we had the release RB
to the Goat. Yeah, already talked about the butler. Who
else was in the cage? Yeah, no, the fucking therapist
lady who just was getting poltergeisted on her iPad. And
then she's I love too in the cage and then
Wendy's she's like, what's the line that she says to Wendy,
Like I'm sorry, honey, like it's it's gonna be fine.
It's like, no, you're not, like you don't fucking care
about us, Like like she's just such a terrible care
she's not even a good wife, like she just forgot
about her.
Speaker 1: Say, I wish the ending of this movie or the
show ended like a scary move where the re rule
wasn't a lying and it would have been someone been like,
think of all the people that we've heard, all the
people that are dead, they listened all to those of
her husband, and then the last time that she was like,
my husband's dead, and then just.
Speaker 2: Cut to black.
Speaker 3: With Lincoln Park playing Yeah, and then it's.
Speaker 1: Just a shot of like the guy with the goat
eye or whatever, and he's just walking through the beach
like do you think do you think that because he
that's just piloting. It's like the last of us, right,
it's of course that we're just pilting a.
Speaker 2: Body now right. It's like even if you were to
shoot it, it wouldn't hurt.
Speaker 1: So do you I guess technically, do you think the
eye could just jump in the water and swim with
that body for the.
Speaker 3: Right to Oh yeah, oh yeah, that's scary.
Speaker 6: It would swim up into the point until other creatures
probably like eat the limbs.
Speaker 4: That couldn't suit.
Speaker 5: I'm going to like a fish.
Speaker 2: Or let's just say it avoids any creatures.
Speaker 3: It just takes a whale eye.
Speaker 1: Let's just say it avoids creatures. It could just feasibly
get to short, right, because it's.
Speaker 2: Not gonna drown.
Speaker 3: So yes, good question. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I don't need an answered Alien Earth too, It's fine.
It just just did you red it? Like how I
would have ended the show.
Speaker 1: If we weren't so busy tonight, I would ask to
make one, but we got. We got a Jim Vita
record after and it's fine.
Speaker 3: We'll revisit one thing I'll throw out there too. I know,
like the alien franchise, whether it's Prometheus, Covenant, you know,
mentioned that one in there, like it's not all about
the Xenomorphs, but like, come on, xenomorphs on the cover,
like you're pitching this show as a xenomorphics. I feel
like the xenomorph experience for the show was very, very lackluster,
and I think it was like it was definitely a
positive in the early portion of the show, Like I
did like the chase sequences that we had. Some of
them were a little bit yeah, yeah, exactly like it.
Like I think it was some fun stuff in there,
but very underused. And I'm not a fan of Wendy
just controlling them, which is kind of like the biggest
part of them, Like at the end, they're just kind
of an attack dog for Wendy, And yeah, I was
just disappointed, like they try to use the Zeno as
this like well just being like the alien that we
that we know of, like whether you think of alien isolation,
just like the threat of like playing those games and
like just feeling the Zeno on that ship, like it
is just so terrifying. I feel like when it would
show up in this episode, whether it was like finding
the therapist lady in the garden and it's it's supposed
to be going for this like weird jump scare thing
where it just like silently approaches them and they turn around.
It just standing there, doesn't do anything. It just standing there,
and then it just gets shot in the head and
then walks away. So it just felt very Unzeno to me.
I don't know, like maybe it's just because I was
overall not vibing with the show. I was just already
kind of upset with what I was being seen. It
just felt very unalien Esque, which is unfortunate because I
think there is portions of the show where they're able
to capture a little bit of that magic of just
the overall vibe, probably mostly in the flashback scene when
we're on like a wailing you Tawny ship, and it
just feels very similar. That's probably like the easiest one
to kind of feel similar there. But yeah, just disappointed
with the Zeno overall.
Speaker 6: And.
Speaker 3: They showed like a baby. Is that what was shown
at the end? I can't remember now. Yeah, yeah, okay,
I don't want to see more of that, which is
unfortunate because like the Zeno is probably one of the
coolest sci fi creatures ever, and like I don't even
want to see more of that version just because of
what's been set up here. It's unfortunate. Yeah, that's my
ted talk, that's my little rant.
Speaker 2: What you doing.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's it's it's all just unfortunate. I wish
that the show just handled the writing and stuff a
little bit better. Like I said already, the middle episode
where we're getting that flashback going back to the ship,
that's my highlight. That to me feels the most alien
and Zeno centric out of all this, which sucks because
you have some decent effects and you got some amazing
set pieces like this really had a chance to really
build up this world a little bit more. I'm sure
we're going to get some guy dropping the comments. You
fucking guys are all so negative to try and write
a better story, uh than these guys did, and yeah, yeah, yeah,
just calm, calm the fuck down, Calm the fuck down,
because you gotta you gotta look at this story for
what it is, and there's just a lot of dead ends,
a lot of abrupt endings to these characters narratives, and
then it doesn't like segue into anything that is cohesive
and flowing with the natural story that's connecting with all
the other characters and everything like that.
Speaker 4: It's just it's it's rushed, and there's.
Speaker 6: A lot of filler, unfortunately in here, and it's it's
unfortunate because I was really looking forward to the show
being something really, really good, but it's just didn't really
crack that code all that much. And I would easily
put Romulus over this for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I don't know.
Speaker 1: I would have to not say anyone is wrong. I
would just have to hear a really good case for someone.
If I saw an alien and ranking White Earth was
above Ron, it's just season one of Earth.
Speaker 2: I would hear them out. I want to hear what
they say, but.
Speaker 1: I would need to have a very there, ted talk,
but be fucking good.
Speaker 5: So yeah, no kidding.
Speaker 2: Anything else. Is the end of the road for really
on Earth.
Speaker 4: For us, end of the road until season two.
Speaker 5: I'll be there.
Speaker 2: I'll be there, We'll be there, will be there, regretulally,
we'll be there. Never know, maybe.
Speaker 3: People, but we also said that about The Strangers Chapter
two and.
Speaker 1: Personal Friends Birthday, so we can't. You know, I'm not
gonna bump someone's U.
Speaker 3: I'm still doing that review guys, Just kidding.
Speaker 1: All right, I'll at Kirk because maybe he's the lowest.
Speaker 3: Oh gosh about this.
Speaker 2: Someone says U.
Speaker 1: Documentario says, uh, this point horrible, a complete destruction of
science fiction and the alien song. I don't go that far,
but we should boycott the second season.
Speaker 2: How don't watch the second season of the series when
my premiere has wait a few months after?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I guess it's tough for us. Documentario's there is
like a business side where we've said this before. Somehow
the Alien Earth episodes were our biggest TV show episodes
of the year that beat everything last of US, Peacemaker, Dexter, Daredevil,
and I wasn't expecting it to be Daredevil.
Speaker 2: So that's something.
Speaker 1: But you never know, right, because that's when we found
this year, even that the Dexter resurrection numbers were way
lower than the New Blood numbers because I think a
lot of people after New Blood checked out because they're like, oh,
a fifth ending for Dexter, no thanks, even though still
did good, but not to the point where it was before.
So I think that would be the thing where we
definitely would be there to see how it does.
Speaker 2: But if we absolutely hate.
Speaker 1: The show and the numbers were not there, then I
think we could just do like a either a full
season review or maybe not.
Speaker 2: Who knows.
Speaker 1: So it always depends on what we enjoy and then
also what the people want same thing. If enough listeners
still want just us to review it, then we would.
So I'm on that sense where I'm like, I need
to boycott it.
Speaker 2: It didn't destroy Alien for me. I still have it there.
I don't think there's anything I've like.
Speaker 1: I think I'm trying to think of anything recently. Maybe
I wouldn't have watched like try not to get a
season two. I think it's easy for me not to
go and do movie.
Speaker 2: I yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's tough. Yeah, I
don't know. That's a different conversation. I let Kirk and go.
Final rating thought.
Speaker 3: Final rating on season one of Alien Earth. Yeah, for
a show that's I really wasn't vibing with for the
vast majority of the whole season, I still think it
looked pretty damn good. I think the performances I didn't
love the rating behind it. I think the actors were
definitely giving it mostly they're all I think the big
standout was Wendy for me, and then would be uh,
Timothy olafont As kersh On. Unfortunately, like the character didn't
really go anywhere, but he was still very enticing and
uh yeah, just just had some of well yeah, just
some of those great synth qualities that the whaling Utawni uh,
you know, synthetics. They they're always just hard to pin on,
like kind of what their actual alignment is. It's usually
just with with the company. This one's a little bit
different because he's made by waling Utoni but working for Prodigy,
so it's a little bit of an extra layer there,
and another avenue we could have went down, but we
really didn't. So just just super unfortunate because I think
there was some great potential that was shown here. There
was some fun pieces to play, but yeah, just just
really really messy across the board. And it's weird that
it's it's not even like Okay, this was an interesting concept, cool,
cool story, but like I just don't like the canonical
and it like weight that it carries. It's like, I
don't really have any positives to say beyond like the
visual of the show, Like yeah, you know, it looked
it looked pretty good, like it was pretty well made visually,
some rough cgi moments around some aliens, but for the
vast majority, like it was a cool look an alien adventure.
But yeah, just really messy. I don't ever want to
rewatch the show. And uh, I think I'm gonna give
it like a three out of ten. I think I'm
gonna give it to a thirty percent. Uh yeah, come
see me after class and we'll discuss what to do here.
That's what I'm writing on this page. Big Red felt too,
like the Thick the thick marker too. Yeah, no, unfortunate.
There you go, a little Emma Frost thumbs down. I
was really hyped when this was announced too, because it
just felt like it was out of nowhere coming off
of Romulus, Like it was just really exciting to be
back in the alien sphere and this is what we got.
I really like Romulus didn't love this one, So yeah.
Speaker 2: There you go. I will go.
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm stuck between a five and a failing grade,
which would be a low failing grade.
Speaker 2: But I'm just I don't know. I yeah, I don't
know this one.
Speaker 1: This one's a tough one because I feel like if they, oh,
I'd have to think about it more or you know,
you watch, But I don't know if I want to
do that. Yeah, I'm just gonna I'm gonna go with
how I feel here. I'm just gonna give it a
four point nine, just right on the cuss because there
is some good visuals.
Speaker 2: There's some because the hit.
Speaker 1: The other thing is there are things that I was
interested and enjoyed performances are still there. So that's why
they're still not like, oh, it's still there, and there's
still like that one episode that's good and.
Speaker 2: Some of the earliest stuff.
Speaker 1: There's some stuff I questioned but was kind of good
in a pocket, but that stuff that I was interested in,
the results either was disappointing, didn't make sense, or what
I would say is poor. So that's the thing where
I look back out like you said, oh, Curse is
really good, but it's like, yeah it was what was curse?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 2: Was it just to put them in there? So like
every week we're like, oh, what's he up to? What's
going on?
Speaker 1: I know some might say called that's the season two thing.
There's too much things then of oh, that's the season
two thing. You know. You gotta give me some hootsball here,
And I guess, like I said, the hootspell that they
did give me here of like certain reveals of like
the butler dad roout thing. It's like you just introduced
that now, you know. Or the brother and sister they're
like dynamic and having this like last episode like what
did you do?
Speaker 2: And then this week like ah, we figured it out?
And like I know again. They ended with like I'm
supposed to care that much? Where the brother. The whole
show's been telling me that these humans are bad. And
then when she's like we.
Speaker 1: Rule, the Hermit's like looking scared, like oh my god,
what have I done. It's like, I don't know. The
show's been telling me humans are pieces of shit, right,
so I guess you should rule and take these things out,
you know, like there's nothing to redeem it other than
even Hermit last week, like you could have made a
case that he could have been in a character. But
then when that happened last week, I was like, yeah,
you're a idiot, you know, Like I wasn't rooting for
you anymore, right, I wish there was more.
Speaker 2: Everything just feels very undercooked. So yeah, only had a
four point nine. I will fail it because of that.
Speaker 5: Hmmm.
Speaker 6: I like what you guys are putting down and I
think I'm probably gonna go a four point nine as well.
Speaker 5: I don't want to pass it. I don't.
Speaker 6: I think I was trying so hard to be positive
and I was really really trying to just support certain
things at the show. But after last week and that
this week, especially the finale, it's just it's it's really
a letdown, and I'm really I'm really bummed out by it.
Speaker 5: I wanted it to be something.
Speaker 6: I mean, I'm just a broken record at this point,
like the characters, the narratives was abruptly ended. We weren't
getting a lot of satisfying results, and there was a
lot of potential here. I was already not really sold
on the whole concept of them creating these synths, these
hybrids by putting the kid's body or minds into the
adult bodies and just to follo out of that and
then everything and everything else. It just was not my
kind of narrative I was engaging with. I just think
that they should have kept it so fucking simple. Have
this ship that's you know, have the company, sure have Prodigy,
you have when Utani kind of bickering and whatnot, But
have this ship crash land on Prodigy Land and then
just the fallout of that way when Utani just dealing
with it immediately and focusing on that, and you know,
you have the court political side of things that would
have been much more interesting and we don't need them
to see all this crazy shit going on with the hybrids,
but instead just give us Prodigy just immediately going into
experimenting and whatnot.
Speaker 5: Don't even make it on Earth.
Speaker 6: They should have made it on like Alien Moon or
something like that, Alien Mars, just something else out there,
and just yeah, wrap it up.
Speaker 2: Yes, each each aliens different planet.
Speaker 6: You keep it very very straightforward and simple where you're
dealing with something that can be present and then it's
just going to end up disappearing by the time we
get to the actual alien. So yeah, yeah, it's just
it's it.
Speaker 4: Sucks that you're dealing with people that are just trying to.
Speaker 6: Play the story too close to Alien. They're trying to
make it fit with that original Alien movie. Keep it
way too close to that Alien movie.
Speaker 5: They should just branch off.
Speaker 6: For example, there was a book I can't remember what
the name of it was, but it was an alien
book and the story was a human colony ship a
long time ago crashlane on this miscellaneous planet, and the
planet that it crash landed on, the colonists that survived there,
it was like a few generations. They were just medieval times.
Now they built like castles and stuff like that. But
this is like after when Utania has expanded to the stars.
But this you know, they were trapped there. They built
castles and everything, and then while they're out mining and
prospect and they find a cave with xenomorph eggs, and
then it starts this like medieval war against xenomorphs, and
you have to think medieval soldiers that have like the
high attack.
Speaker 5: Like from their old spaceship or whatever. So they've got
like some advanced metals.
Speaker 4: So it's just like, that's a very fucking cool concept.
Speaker 5: I'd love to see something like.
Speaker 6: That, but of course, like, no, we're getting something that's
just playing a little too close to that original alien
story and they don't need to do that.
Speaker 1: But well, now I don't think that this is the case,
because what you pitch is still very different than what
really did the last two times. But I think that
is the issue where there were a lot of alien
fans that didn't like it getting two different alien right,
that was they weren't a fan that like, even Covenant
to me felt like a direct result of Prometheus if
I make sure Aliens in the title Aliens the poster
like alien alien alien right, And I think that hurt
Covenant because Prometheus was telling a different story and it
felt like he had a U turn. So don't get wrong,
I think I'd be down for Maybe they'd have to
do kind of like what Killers the Killers did where
it's animated, something anthology, and that would work.
Speaker 2: But on the grand scale, I don't know.
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, I still think
like reviews wise, I think this did like well enough. Obviously,
I'm not sure what that is for the whole season.
It's like ninety five percent of Round Tomatoes, average critics
score or average audience scorre seventy percent. Again, critics a
lot of times only see a certain amount of episodes.
I don't know how much that is update, But if it's.
Speaker 2: Reviewed well enough and still viewed, they'll continue and consider
a success. But uh yeah, I don't And we'll have
to see what they do with.
Speaker 1: The next Alien because even then there's tons of detractors
of Romless. I think that's very much like a kind
of Alien Force awakens, right, Like they hit too many beats,
And even when I watched again, I forgot how much
of the third act just turns into aliens and literally
the stay away from her Bitch line, like they just
start ripping stuff away, and like, oh right, you guys
also did this, So I don't know where at least Predator,
I don't like pray that was not the case.
Speaker 2: They weren't ripping off like I'm don't get wrong.
Speaker 1: There's probably a couple right, like the blood in the face,
but I feel like that feels more original.
Speaker 2: And then now this whole thing with like I don't
know if you could do that with Alien.
Speaker 1: But the fact that Tracktenberg is making the next movie
from like the POV of Predator, that's very ballsy.
Speaker 2: That's great.
Speaker 1: That's like a concept has never been done, so it's
something completely different. Right, So Predator and even Killers the Killers,
that's something different. Right, So you could say, no matter
how you feel about Romless, you could like Romless more
than all the other new pres stuff. Predator is definitely
way doing way more experimental stuff right now with their franchise, right,
and maybe Alien needs it.
Speaker 2: But then again, maybe that's how Alien doesn't work. Maybe
dihards don't want that.
Speaker 1: The people that come and watch that, they want kind
of some rinse and repeat, just different ship, different scientists,
different robot, similar motivations.
Speaker 6: You know, if you give me a new squad of
colonial marines going into another alien planet, I'm there for it.
Speaker 5: I absolutely am.
Speaker 2: But like you know, it's gonna be the squad.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just a fuck.
Speaker 2: They're gonna like because they're rule. So that's another con.
Speaker 6: This squad made absolutely zero sense because you see them
doing the overview. It's like forces are down, but we
have prodigy squads like scouting the island, trying to contain
the asset or whatever, and you see the squad, but
then it shows the squad like, Okay, our.
Speaker 5: Goal, it's not safe for you here.
Speaker 6: They're like at the gravesite, we're gonna get you back
to We're trying to save non essential personnel and then
evact them off the island. And then they're in the
building now after they dropped her off, like okay, protocol
dictates we've got to go to the armorne. It's like,
don't they have like a like other orders to like yeah,
because they said we got to locate a boy cavalier
and protect him. And then an old protocol dictates we
get to the armory. All this just random bullshit. It's like,
what the fuck, there's just they don't even know what
they're doing. Now they're in like the lab. It's like,
we're in here, in the most dangerous of all places.
Speaker 5: We're in the lab.
Speaker 6: And then the girl opens up the fucking z you know,
like caged thing and looks at the dead corpse, like.
Speaker 2: What the fuck are you guys doing in the lab?
I thought you're supposed to go to the armory. Isn't
that protocol?
Speaker 5: Like they're just they're they're not on their game.
Speaker 2: They are not neither was the show. So well, let
us know when the discord Definitely, as some.
Speaker 1: Discord a couple of days that discord will be sunseted
to whatever next is.
Speaker 2: Gonna take over it. But Discord YouTube constant say same thing.
Speaker 1: If there's anything that you think we got wrong, didn't understand,
we always are willing to hear a point of view autism.
It's not like yeah, you idiot, no, because neither's someone's
like you know anything about that X, Y and Z.
You know though, I think because there's so many issues,
I don't think you could convince us to pass and
like the show. But you know, conversation always helps on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Facebook, YouTube, Discord, Patreon. We very much appreciate it. Yeah,
that's the end of this. Who knows next one we'll
be talking about alien, whether it is in comic form,
whether it's for Almost two, maybe it's Earth two, I
don't know. But whenever that is, we promise you it
won't be born