WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.639 --> 00:00:08.679 Welcome friends, It's coming podcast. Podcast is done. Show Jackie 2 00:00:08.679 --> 00:00:12.960 again Ryan. They're talking tout mob moming. No Bock has 3 00:00:12.960 --> 00:00:22.559 only ready Bother used to say that you were put 4 00:00:22.600 --> 00:00:26.440 here for a reason, so you're fluent last week because 5 00:00:26.440 --> 00:00:41.320 he still stand for truth, justice, all that stuff. It's 6 00:00:41.359 --> 00:00:44.079 a bird's no look, it's you wanted to see Me? 7 00:00:44.600 --> 00:00:48.240 Rated PG. Thirteen in theaters in Imax June twenty eighth. 8 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:50.759 Welcome to a movie film commentary track. My name is 9 00:00:50.840 --> 00:00:53.679 Zaki Hassan. I'm here at Brian Hall. Hey, how's it going, Zachi. 10 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:56.600 I'm doing well. Brian. I'm actually I'm glad you hopped on. 11 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:58.200 I'm actually I wanted to tell you about the new 12 00:00:58.280 --> 00:01:01.679 article I'm working on. It's called Why the World Doesn't 13 00:01:01.799 --> 00:01:07.680 Need Brian Hall. I thought you might like to get 14 00:01:07.680 --> 00:01:08.560 a sneak preview of that. 15 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:11.920 Yeah, maybe we can get into that while. 16 00:01:11.719 --> 00:01:17.280 We Maybe it'll win me a pulletzer, the way Lois 17 00:01:17.359 --> 00:01:20.519 Lane won a pulletzer for Why the World Doesn't Need Superman. 18 00:01:20.840 --> 00:01:23.319 Yeah, I know, I mean I only just abandoned you 19 00:01:23.359 --> 00:01:26.159 for five years without any explanation or goodbye, so. 20 00:01:26.359 --> 00:01:28.120 It was a little hurtful. I'll be honest, I can 21 00:01:28.480 --> 00:01:32.040 kind of see it. We're here to talk about Superman returns. 22 00:01:32.079 --> 00:01:36.319 It seems like it's a timely place for this discussion, 23 00:01:36.359 --> 00:01:39.359 given that we are about to witness Superman's latest return 24 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:41.959 to the cinemas via Superman. 25 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:44.959 Yeah this week, which you have already seen but I 26 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:45.239 have not. 27 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:50.280 I know some interesting context as we go into this discussion. 28 00:01:50.439 --> 00:01:54.959 Mm hmmm, all kinds of double entendres peppered into our conversation. 29 00:01:55.319 --> 00:01:59.959 Potentially I won't even know. There'll be There'll be electric 30 00:02:00.480 --> 00:02:03.920 throughout this discussion, far more electricity I might offer than 31 00:02:03.959 --> 00:02:06.040 in the movie that we're about to watch, which is 32 00:02:06.239 --> 00:02:10.840 notably electricity free, at least in terms of chemistry between people. 33 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:15.560 No, I mean you being the Superman fan that you are. 34 00:02:16.840 --> 00:02:19.039 I I this came out in two thousand and six. 35 00:02:19.159 --> 00:02:22.639 I don't even remember, honestly what your thoughts are on 36 00:02:22.639 --> 00:02:25.719 this movie. So I'm really looking forward to digging into this. 37 00:02:26.360 --> 00:02:28.960 I have many thoughts. The one piece of context I 38 00:02:28.960 --> 00:02:32.439 will offer before we hit play is that it is 39 00:02:32.840 --> 00:02:35.400 now nineteen years since this movie came out, By the way, 40 00:02:35.520 --> 00:02:39.560 the same amount of time between Superman for the Quest 41 00:02:39.599 --> 00:02:44.680 for Piece and Superman Returns. Wow, it's passed since it's crazy. 42 00:02:45.039 --> 00:02:47.479 And in those nineteen years, I have watched this movie 43 00:02:47.479 --> 00:02:51.000 the whole way through exactly twice, once being opening night 44 00:02:51.080 --> 00:02:53.719 in two thousand and six, once being last night when 45 00:02:53.719 --> 00:02:55.680 I watched it in prep for this discussion. 46 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:59.240 Wow, well me too, me too. So I'm amazed how 47 00:02:59.319 --> 00:03:04.159 much I remember and just how long it had been 48 00:03:04.199 --> 00:03:05.439 at the same time and so. 49 00:03:06.360 --> 00:03:10.960 Again, and how long it is and how long it is. 50 00:03:11.199 --> 00:03:12.919 But I was gonna say, you, being the you know, 51 00:03:13.360 --> 00:03:17.120 the Superman fan that you are, it's fascinating that you 52 00:03:17.159 --> 00:03:19.719 haven't gone back even just sort of skipped through it 53 00:03:19.879 --> 00:03:21.000 or something throughout the years. 54 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:24.800 So I very very curious, there you go. So there's 55 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:28.080 there's just you know, maybe tipping my hands slightly, but yeah, 56 00:03:28.120 --> 00:03:31.719 there's something something knowing. Anyway, Hey, we're about to watch 57 00:03:31.719 --> 00:03:33.719 the movie. You can watch along with us. If not, 58 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:36.599 you know, you can listen to us a gab about 59 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:39.039 what we think of what we're seeing on screen while 60 00:03:39.080 --> 00:03:41.280 you go about your day doing doing other stuff, maybe 61 00:03:41.280 --> 00:03:45.560 more productive stuff. I don't know. I know this movie 62 00:03:45.599 --> 00:03:48.439 has its fans, so I don't want to inadvertently offend. 63 00:03:50.199 --> 00:03:54.319 But you know, let's see how this discussion goes So 64 00:03:54.360 --> 00:03:56.240 we're gonna do the usual thing. We're gonnait play on three, 65 00:03:56.280 --> 00:03:58.719 one two three, play Brian, you're ready, I'm ready. Here 66 00:03:58.759 --> 00:04:09.120 we go, all right, one two three? Quite all right? Wait? 67 00:04:09.120 --> 00:04:12.639 Have we ever commented on the fact that the subtitles 68 00:04:14.240 --> 00:04:16.600 say that as Time Goes By is playing over the 69 00:04:16.600 --> 00:04:18.639 Warner Brothers logo. 70 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:22.120 I don't think we have commented on that. I've never 71 00:04:22.240 --> 00:04:27.040 noticed that before. I don't think, really, yeah, that the 72 00:04:27.079 --> 00:04:29.160 subtitle say it, or that it does. 73 00:04:29.199 --> 00:04:33.439 In fact, I've noticed that it's used the couple notes 74 00:04:33.480 --> 00:04:37.000 from it. Yeah, but I didn't realize that the captioning 75 00:04:37.040 --> 00:04:37.920 actually calls it out. 76 00:04:38.560 --> 00:04:40.560 Well, I'm glad it does it. It's worth the calling 77 00:04:40.600 --> 00:04:43.959 out now, we know that's nice. Right, yep. This is 78 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:47.000 the DC Comics logo that existed for a brief time 79 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:49.240 in the in the mid auts. I think they used 80 00:04:49.240 --> 00:04:52.199 it on Dark Knight Rises and this and handful of 81 00:04:52.240 --> 00:04:55.000 other things. It is no longer the DC logo. I 82 00:04:55.000 --> 00:04:57.040 only bring that up to say that, you know, I 83 00:04:57.160 --> 00:05:00.759 was during that era. I was by ending my comic 84 00:05:00.759 --> 00:05:05.079 books and my my voluminous DC Comics collection. I was like, well, 85 00:05:05.079 --> 00:05:07.319 this is the DC Comics logo, so that's what I use. 86 00:05:07.600 --> 00:05:11.120 So the overwhelming majority of my books have that short 87 00:05:11.160 --> 00:05:14.480 lived logo on them. I kind of like it. Yeah, 88 00:05:14.519 --> 00:05:16.920 so now no, I'm just kind of hanging on. I'm like, no, no, 89 00:05:17.120 --> 00:05:19.720 it's it's it's a retro thing, you know. Well. 90 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:22.079 I have to say when that logo came up last night, 91 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:26.319 we had finished recording an episode and I had edited 92 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:28.199 the episode and write it for that, I went to 93 00:05:28.240 --> 00:05:30.800 dinner you know, are a dinner at home, and then 94 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:32.759 I started this movie up. So it was kind of 95 00:05:32.759 --> 00:05:34.839 a marathon of all this stuff. So I was a 96 00:05:34.879 --> 00:05:37.839 little tired, and I got to say the sound design 97 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:41.560 during that logo, I was like, not prepared. I was like, 98 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:44.240 it's very intense. It feels like one of those things 99 00:05:44.240 --> 00:05:46.920 when they do a demonstration for the sound system in 100 00:05:46.959 --> 00:05:49.319 a theater before the movie starts. I was like, damn, 101 00:05:49.600 --> 00:05:52.079 I hope that guy got some sort of nod for 102 00:05:52.120 --> 00:05:55.040 that frong. 103 00:05:57.399 --> 00:06:01.959 I was like, whoa, So right up top here we 104 00:06:02.360 --> 00:06:06.600 begin with the Marlon Brando narration from the first film, 105 00:06:07.319 --> 00:06:09.920 and we're dropped into the explosion of Krypton and then 106 00:06:10.000 --> 00:06:16.000 into a credit sequence that is slavishly homaging the Richard 107 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:19.079 Donner film. And so that's sort of what you realize 108 00:06:19.519 --> 00:06:22.680 watching this movie, is that a it is one of 109 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:28.600 the earliest examples of a legacy sequel. Yeah, right, But 110 00:06:28.839 --> 00:06:33.399 really it's just Brian Singer wanting to cause play that 111 00:06:33.519 --> 00:06:38.920 nineteen seventy eight movie because it it you know, it 112 00:06:39.879 --> 00:06:42.120 attempts to be a sequel, but really it's just going 113 00:06:42.160 --> 00:06:48.399 through most of the same beats from that original movie. Yeah. 114 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:53.040 And I would offer that it for somebody who professes 115 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.040 to be such a big fan of that film. I mean, 116 00:06:55.079 --> 00:06:58.800 you know, he essentially went and got, you know, permission 117 00:06:58.879 --> 00:07:00.920 from Richard Donner, know, who is his producer on the 118 00:07:01.040 --> 00:07:03.680 X Men films, to pitch for this whatever. I'm I 119 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.879 just I'm stunned by how he seems to have missed 120 00:07:06.959 --> 00:07:10.639 all of the important bits about not just that movie, 121 00:07:10.680 --> 00:07:15.560 but that character. Hmmm. And that's rather remarkable to me 122 00:07:15.639 --> 00:07:20.480 because because you know this this movie didn't perform the 123 00:07:20.800 --> 00:07:22.920 way Warner Brothers had hoped, even though it did okay, 124 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:25.120 And and right away it was like, oh, well, that's 125 00:07:25.160 --> 00:07:28.160 what happens when you try to stick to that old 126 00:07:28.240 --> 00:07:31.399 style and what you know of those seventies and eighties movies, 127 00:07:31.399 --> 00:07:33.439 and I'm like, yeah, but this is not this does 128 00:07:33.439 --> 00:07:36.920 not evoke those movies in any way other than hearing 129 00:07:37.160 --> 00:07:42.079 the music. I agree, I agree, you know, yeah, visually 130 00:07:42.120 --> 00:07:45.839 it's really muddy and kind of you know, it bugged 131 00:07:45.879 --> 00:07:48.480 the piss out of me when I was too right zachy. 132 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:51.079 All right, So look, I a lot of times I'll 133 00:07:51.160 --> 00:07:53.199 use your you know, Voodo account to watch some of 134 00:07:53.240 --> 00:07:55.560 these movies. But I was like, all right, look, I'm 135 00:07:55.560 --> 00:07:58.360 paying for freakin' HBO. It's available on HBO Max. I'm 136 00:07:58.360 --> 00:08:00.839 gonna use the thing I'm paying for. So I watched 137 00:08:00.839 --> 00:08:02.959 it and I thought, oh, this is is this not 138 00:08:03.120 --> 00:08:03.560 four K? 139 00:08:03.720 --> 00:08:06.199 Like, what's the This is kind of blurry and kind 140 00:08:06.240 --> 00:08:07.360 of yeah, muddy looking. 141 00:08:07.360 --> 00:08:09.399 And so then I switched over to your voodoo thinking 142 00:08:09.439 --> 00:08:12.160 you would have a better copy of it, and it 143 00:08:12.240 --> 00:08:15.680 was the same same, and I and I since I 144 00:08:15.680 --> 00:08:17.480 was very curious about it, so I learned that this 145 00:08:17.680 --> 00:08:21.680 was you using an early digital camera. You know, this 146 00:08:21.759 --> 00:08:24.360 is a Revenge of the Sith was only a year 147 00:08:24.399 --> 00:08:27.839 before this, so it was a Panavision Genesis HD camera 148 00:08:28.720 --> 00:08:31.959 and you can kind of tell it's like the early 149 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:34.320 I mean, now digital looks incredible and they apply all 150 00:08:34.360 --> 00:08:37.279 sorts of filters and things onto it to make it 151 00:08:37.320 --> 00:08:41.320 look more filmic. But this movie has this weird like 152 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:44.679 smooth doubt, kind of like an Instagram filter look to it. 153 00:08:45.080 --> 00:08:47.799 Yeah, you know, which is Yeah. 154 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:50.799 Unfortunately I kept thinking, and I don't always think this, 155 00:08:50.919 --> 00:08:53.600 but I was thinking, Man, this movie would have looked. 156 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:54.840 Gorgeous on film. 157 00:08:55.159 --> 00:08:57.759 Yeah, it's It's kind of a shame it hasn't aged 158 00:08:57.840 --> 00:08:58.440 well visually. 159 00:08:59.279 --> 00:09:02.200 Yeah, Like I would say, the majority of the visual 160 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:06.559 effects and things are hold up. Okay, yeah, yeah, but 161 00:09:07.120 --> 00:09:09.399 with some exceptions, which I suspect will point out. But 162 00:09:09.720 --> 00:09:14.279 in general, I question this idea that, oh, this is 163 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:19.240 this is meant to be, you know, singer sort of 164 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:23.840 continuing that legacy because I'm like, in in most measurable ways, 165 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:27.320 it feels disconnected from from those other movies. Like I 166 00:09:27.360 --> 00:09:29.639 don't and we'll get into it. I mean, some of 167 00:09:29.639 --> 00:09:31.519 the casting in this movie is catastrophic. 168 00:09:34.320 --> 00:09:35.960 I feel like a listener now I'm gonna just sort 169 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:37.360 of look at my lips like I want to hear 170 00:09:37.399 --> 00:09:37.639 all of this. 171 00:09:38.879 --> 00:09:42.519 So this is Noel Neil, who played who's the very 172 00:09:42.559 --> 00:09:45.879 first Lois Lane. She was Lowis Lane in the Kirk 173 00:09:45.919 --> 00:09:50.279 Allen serials and then also on the in the George 174 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:52.480 Reeves television series. She was the second lowest lane on 175 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:57.519 that show. How unfortunate for her having to play this scene. 176 00:09:57.600 --> 00:10:00.600 Good lord, it's this is so odd, right, So you've 177 00:10:00.600 --> 00:10:05.000 got this wealthy dowager who who Lex Luthor has shown 178 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:09.960 pleasures that no other woman has known, which I'm like, okay. 179 00:10:09.840 --> 00:10:12.559 That's I remember this. This is one of the few 180 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:16.720 things I remember from this movie from nineteen years ago, 181 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:20.039 and just being like, just this movie feels like it 182 00:10:20.120 --> 00:10:22.799 starts off on the wrong foot yep, and stays there 183 00:10:22.799 --> 00:10:27.159 and stays there the entire time, you know, and not 184 00:10:27.320 --> 00:10:30.279 just this, I mean this is kind of gross. 185 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:34.519 Yeah, icky, yeah, but I mean maybe not out of 186 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:35.919 character for Luthor or whatever. 187 00:10:36.200 --> 00:10:38.879 But then when you just get into the story about 188 00:10:38.879 --> 00:10:41.320 Superman being gone for five years, like, to me, this 189 00:10:41.399 --> 00:10:45.399 felt like a sequel, like we needed the first movie 190 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:49.360 to understand why Superman would leave like he did in 191 00:10:49.399 --> 00:10:52.960 the manner that he left. Instead, we're just told he left, 192 00:10:53.000 --> 00:10:54.559 he didn't say goodbye, and now he's back and he 193 00:10:54.600 --> 00:10:57.559 wonders why everyone's upset. Right, It's not a great way 194 00:10:57.600 --> 00:11:00.000 to start your Superman not at all. 195 00:10:59.799 --> 00:11:03.440 And for a variety of reasons. And let's just let's 196 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:07.000 just stay with this portion for a moment. This sequence 197 00:11:07.080 --> 00:11:11.360 is ostensibly to explain why Lex Luthor has a boat. 198 00:11:11.600 --> 00:11:16.000 I guess sure, yeah, I mean it has no bearing 199 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:18.080 on anything, right, Like, if the movie just starts with 200 00:11:18.159 --> 00:11:20.320 him being wealthy, we're not going to be like where 201 00:11:20.360 --> 00:11:22.840 did he get? Where do he get all that coin? Right? 202 00:11:23.679 --> 00:11:27.279 So very odd. Now, now, Parker Posi, I gotta say, 203 00:11:27.279 --> 00:11:33.480 watching this movie, I'm like, A, she's great in this yeah. 204 00:11:33.639 --> 00:11:36.320 B she should have been Lois Lane. 205 00:11:36.600 --> 00:11:42.720 Ah, sure, a little more pluck, yeah, you know, yeah interesting, Yeah, 206 00:11:42.799 --> 00:11:44.159 she's not given a lot to do. 207 00:11:44.919 --> 00:11:47.519 Yeah, Parker Posey's just one of those actors who has 208 00:11:47.679 --> 00:11:50.960 kind of she She just has a has a spark, 209 00:11:51.000 --> 00:11:52.759 you know. Oh I love her. Yeah she Well. 210 00:11:52.799 --> 00:11:57.440 I remember I worked on a Christopher Guest movie directly 211 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:00.399 after she filmed this, so I got to sit down 212 00:12:00.519 --> 00:12:02.960 and have lunch with her, and I was asking. 213 00:12:02.759 --> 00:12:03.559 Her about this movie. 214 00:12:03.639 --> 00:12:06.000 I have like funny, vivid memory of that and saying like, 215 00:12:06.080 --> 00:12:07.960 I mean, I know you probably can't say much, but 216 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:10.679 how was it. I Mean, it's such a big scale 217 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:12.840 movie and the only thing I remember her saying, was 218 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:15.080 that Brendan Routh, She's like, he's so sweet. 219 00:12:16.159 --> 00:12:20.240 That's what I hear to this day. Yeah, yeah, but man, 220 00:12:20.240 --> 00:12:23.440 I had such a crush on her then. Oh yeah, yeah, 221 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:25.600 I was like such an awesome thing getting to sit 222 00:12:25.679 --> 00:12:28.279 and talk with her like that. But but yeah, but 223 00:12:28.320 --> 00:12:30.559 in this movie, all she does is just sort of 224 00:12:31.679 --> 00:12:35.039 look glum and yeah, well she's kind of playing the 225 00:12:35.080 --> 00:12:36.320 Valerie Parine character. 226 00:12:36.679 --> 00:12:38.600 Yeah, but she doesn't even like speak much like she 227 00:12:38.720 --> 00:12:40.960 just since that it's interesting. It feels like a waste 228 00:12:41.000 --> 00:12:41.600 of her talents. 229 00:12:41.639 --> 00:12:43.279 Oh, I one hundred percent agree with that, And I 230 00:12:43.279 --> 00:12:45.279 think I think that could apply for many of the 231 00:12:46.000 --> 00:12:50.399 people here. I mean even Marie Saint. I mean she's 232 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:54.559 a legend. Yeah, and why wouldn't you make Martha Kent 233 00:12:54.639 --> 00:12:57.080 more of a prominent character She gets basically two scenes 234 00:12:57.120 --> 00:13:02.000 in this movie, right, don't really impact the story very much. 235 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:09.120 Here's the thing. Okay, so, and you alluded to this earlier. 236 00:13:09.120 --> 00:13:15.039 The movie's premise is that, yeah, Superman left Earth five 237 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.039 years ago. He let and and the movie gets into 238 00:13:18.039 --> 00:13:20.240 it a little bit. He thought Krypton was still there. 239 00:13:21.480 --> 00:13:24.200 He went over there and turns out it's not there 240 00:13:25.360 --> 00:13:27.799 and so he came back right. It took and it 241 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:30.320 took five years there and back right now. There is 242 00:13:30.399 --> 00:13:33.639 a scene that they filmed that you can you can 243 00:13:33.679 --> 00:13:37.480 watch it on YouTube that that I don't know if 244 00:13:37.519 --> 00:13:39.200 you had a chance to check it out. No, I 245 00:13:39.279 --> 00:13:41.600 read about it. I didn't realize it was available. Yeah, 246 00:13:41.679 --> 00:13:44.480 you watch it. It's just it's it's Superman's ship, you know. 247 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:47.440 It's the big crystalline ship from the first film, just 248 00:13:47.519 --> 00:13:49.559 kind of going through the wreckage and it's very haunting 249 00:13:49.799 --> 00:13:53.559 because it is the Krypton from that first movie, so 250 00:13:54.039 --> 00:13:55.960 you recognize it, you know what I mean. And it's 251 00:13:56.039 --> 00:13:57.840 like we just talked about Jurassic World. It's a little 252 00:13:57.840 --> 00:14:00.759 bit like going through the visitor center. I I know this, 253 00:14:00.919 --> 00:14:03.360 you know. And then it's him and then as he 254 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:06.440 gets closer, there's like Kryptonite all around and it starts 255 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:09.000 making him sick, so he leaves the end. Okay. Now, 256 00:14:09.039 --> 00:14:13.960 this was a ten million dollars sequence that they shot, yeah, 257 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:15.440 and completed. 258 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:17.320 Yeah, and then verted into Imax three D. 259 00:14:18.080 --> 00:14:21.600 The works, okay, and then they're like, nah, it doesn't work, 260 00:14:21.799 --> 00:14:23.519 and a I'm like, think about that for a second. 261 00:14:23.559 --> 00:14:28.440 Ten you could have shot four movies with that. Yeah right, yeah, 262 00:14:28.480 --> 00:14:31.480 so this is Brian Singer just like actively pissing away 263 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:36.720 Warner Brothers money, right, Yeah. But fundamentally, what it gets 264 00:14:36.759 --> 00:14:40.240 to is that the entire premise of the movie this 265 00:14:40.360 --> 00:14:42.679 idea that Superman left for five years and he came 266 00:14:42.720 --> 00:14:44.600 back and the world has moved on without him. That's 267 00:14:44.639 --> 00:14:47.240 actually not a bad premise for a film, right, Sure, 268 00:14:47.960 --> 00:14:50.679 certainly that's what Kingdom Come, the comic book series by 269 00:14:50.679 --> 00:14:52.480 Mark Wade and Alex Ross, that's what it's about, Right, 270 00:14:52.559 --> 00:14:56.559 Superman ended up leaving and then events call him back 271 00:14:56.600 --> 00:14:59.120 in and that in that case, it was, you know, 272 00:14:59.200 --> 00:15:02.039 the world decided they didn't want Superman anymore, you know, 273 00:15:02.519 --> 00:15:03.000 But does. 274 00:15:02.879 --> 00:15:05.279 It begin that way? Like, what's the beginning of that story? 275 00:15:05.360 --> 00:15:06.639 Is he away and he returns? 276 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:15.799 Yeah? So there's basically a mass there's a mass killing 277 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:19.159 event that happens as a result of a superhero battle 278 00:15:20.200 --> 00:15:26.600 and Superman is essentially in retirement, right, and a wonder 279 00:15:26.600 --> 00:15:28.519 woman comes to him and she's like, you know, the 280 00:15:28.559 --> 00:15:31.559 world needs you again, and he's pulled back in, And 281 00:15:32.080 --> 00:15:35.159 if you haven't read the Kingdom Come, a terrific story, right, 282 00:15:35.200 --> 00:15:37.960 But but it gets to fundamentally this idea of what 283 00:15:38.000 --> 00:15:41.159 a Superman represent, Why, why is it? Why is he important? Right? 284 00:15:41.200 --> 00:15:44.679 And you feel like this film was sort of nipping 285 00:15:44.720 --> 00:15:48.960 around the edges of that as a premise. But I 286 00:15:49.000 --> 00:15:54.240 think that when when you make the reason for Superman's 287 00:15:54.320 --> 00:16:02.600 absence so nakedly selfish, it's just odd, Like, I don't 288 00:16:02.720 --> 00:16:05.240 I don't believe there's any circumstance where Superman will be like, 289 00:16:05.279 --> 00:16:08.559 all right, guys, I'm gonna peace out for five years. 290 00:16:08.559 --> 00:16:13.519 You guys got this right, right, especially given that this 291 00:16:13.559 --> 00:16:16.559 film was you know, per Brian Singer, this is ignores 292 00:16:16.639 --> 00:16:20.000 three and four, And indeed it does. We know it 293 00:16:20.039 --> 00:16:22.840 does because in three and four, Martha Kent is deceased, 294 00:16:23.799 --> 00:16:27.200 so her existence as movie says, Oh okay, it's you know, 295 00:16:27.279 --> 00:16:30.279 it's kind of it's its own timeline. But the end 296 00:16:30.320 --> 00:16:32.840 of Superman two, and we've talked about this before, is 297 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:36.519 literally Superman at the White House telling the President I'm 298 00:16:36.519 --> 00:16:39.039 sorry I was gone so long, mister President. I won't 299 00:16:39.120 --> 00:16:42.799 let you down again. I forgot about that except in 300 00:16:42.879 --> 00:16:44.639 like a week when I leave. So sorry. 301 00:16:45.000 --> 00:16:49.159 Yeah, yeah, I mean that's I agree with you. I 302 00:16:49.360 --> 00:16:52.320 can see that as a concept, But yeah, you can't 303 00:16:52.360 --> 00:16:56.559 just put text on screen at the beginning, That's right, 304 00:16:56.639 --> 00:16:59.440 you know, that just says like Superman decided to leave, yeah, 305 00:16:59.480 --> 00:17:02.000 and now he's back, and then when we pick up 306 00:17:02.000 --> 00:17:04.119 our narrative, yeah, everyone's just sad. I mean, this is 307 00:17:04.160 --> 00:17:05.759 such a melancholy movie. 308 00:17:05.880 --> 00:17:07.680 It really is. And so and and that's what I 309 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:10.519 mean when I say tonally, it just doesn't fit with 310 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.200 with those earlier films, you know, because say what you 311 00:17:13.279 --> 00:17:15.880 will about the Richard Donner movie, I mean it treats 312 00:17:15.920 --> 00:17:20.200 it seriously, but it's it it steps lightly. You know, 313 00:17:20.400 --> 00:17:25.279 There's there's moments of humor, there's moments of joy throughout, yes, yes, 314 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:29.039 and and this is a joyless slog yeah yeah. So 315 00:17:29.160 --> 00:17:29.680 I mean. 316 00:17:31.559 --> 00:17:36.640 Just alone this being supposedly a kickoff to Superman again, 317 00:17:36.720 --> 00:17:38.720 like you said, it had been you know, almost two 318 00:17:38.759 --> 00:17:41.839 decades since, Like this is a reboot essentially, even though 319 00:17:41.839 --> 00:17:44.480 well I mean is it though, I mean to your point, yeah, 320 00:17:44.480 --> 00:17:46.519 it's it's sort of a continuation, but in a way, yes, 321 00:17:46.599 --> 00:17:50.559 new cast, new era. And so this just seems like 322 00:17:50.559 --> 00:17:53.799 a weird story to begin with, weird tone to begin with, 323 00:17:53.839 --> 00:17:56.039 Like I don't even know what a sequel would look like. 324 00:17:56.079 --> 00:18:03.480 To this, like yeah, yeah, right, yeah, Now this was 325 00:18:03.519 --> 00:18:05.279 the same year as Batman Begins, right. 326 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:08.119 Or years later? This was one year later? 327 00:18:08.319 --> 00:18:10.559 Yeah, okay, so just trying to put it in a 328 00:18:10.640 --> 00:18:11.559 timeline in my brain. 329 00:18:12.160 --> 00:18:14.480 Yeah, but if I'm not mistaken, I believe there was 330 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:18.920 a teaser for this attached to Batman Begins. Okay, Yeah, 331 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:21.359 but they both came out in June, so it was 332 00:18:21.599 --> 00:18:25.440 five and o six, you know, And it's worth recognizing, 333 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:29.319 you know, Batman Begins did okay, but it wasn't like 334 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:35.000 a smash hit, right, like we forget that. Yeah. 335 00:18:35.000 --> 00:18:39.079 I was looking just at box office stats and this 336 00:18:39.559 --> 00:18:42.359 outgrossed Superman returns out gross Batman Begins. 337 00:18:42.440 --> 00:18:44.559 That's right, Which is interesting because. 338 00:18:44.400 --> 00:18:48.720 The Nolan Batman would then, you know, change the course 339 00:18:48.720 --> 00:18:50.799 of superhero movies for years and years to come. 340 00:18:51.119 --> 00:18:54.440 Yeah, just didn't know it yet. Well, and that's somewhat 341 00:18:54.440 --> 00:18:57.759 ironic to me, Like when you watch Batman Begins, that 342 00:18:58.000 --> 00:19:03.400 is very much a spirit ritual air to the Richard 343 00:19:03.440 --> 00:19:07.880 Donner Superman. Yeah, and Christopher Nolan said as much. Right, 344 00:19:08.400 --> 00:19:12.640 the Donner Superman informed how he approached telling the story, 345 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:16.319 who he cast, etcetera, etcetera. Right, Right, And and I 346 00:19:16.720 --> 00:19:19.519 going into this is worth recognizing there was a lot 347 00:19:19.559 --> 00:19:23.799 of enthusiasm because Brian Singer had this is pre knowing 348 00:19:23.839 --> 00:19:27.480 what a sex predator he is. Yeah, so I mean 349 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:30.720 that we have to sprinkle that into that. You know, 350 00:19:30.880 --> 00:19:32.359 we have new contexts now. 351 00:19:32.640 --> 00:19:34.799 I have to say I was carrying that with me 352 00:19:34.839 --> 00:19:37.759 as I was watching this and just second guessing things. 353 00:19:37.839 --> 00:19:39.279 Some things I was looking at just. 354 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.920 Yeah, yeah, by the real quick before I even continue. 355 00:19:42.279 --> 00:19:45.160 So we get Marlon Brando here, and there was a 356 00:19:45.319 --> 00:19:47.480 there was a settlement between Warner Brothers and the Brando 357 00:19:47.599 --> 00:19:49.960 estate to the tune of something like fifteen million dollars 358 00:19:50.599 --> 00:19:53.680 to be able to use Brando's likeness both here and 359 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:57.319 in the RICHERD Donner edit of Superman two. So that's 360 00:19:57.359 --> 00:20:00.559 why we see Brando here, and his. 361 00:20:00.960 --> 00:20:04.200 Estate was refusing, and so they that was the amount 362 00:20:04.200 --> 00:20:05.759 that they came up with to be able to use it. 363 00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:10.960 Yeah. Yeah, And by virtue of Brando being in this 364 00:20:11.079 --> 00:20:13.400 movie and even Marie Saint being in this movie. This 365 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:18.640 is the second movie they made together after you know, 366 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:23.440 on the waterfront. On the waterfront. Yeah, yes, so I 367 00:20:23.440 --> 00:20:27.359 don't know, just a little little trivia. Yeah, wow, you 368 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:29.680 might try putting Superman in turns in your cinema tricks 369 00:20:29.720 --> 00:20:30.319 and see what happens. 370 00:20:30.359 --> 00:20:35.680 I've oh, wow, wow, you just that this is the 371 00:20:35.720 --> 00:20:40.640 first moment I've gotten excited dealing with this film. 372 00:20:40.960 --> 00:20:44.680 No so so. Yeah. But Brian Singer, on the back 373 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:47.240 of X Men and X two, he had a lot 374 00:20:47.279 --> 00:20:51.039 of fanboy enthusiasm, right, I can imagine yeah, right, and 375 00:20:51.079 --> 00:20:53.519 he bolted the third X Men to do this, and 376 00:20:53.559 --> 00:20:57.000 people were upset about that. But it was like, oh, 377 00:20:57.000 --> 00:20:59.640 but he's doing Superman, and Superman was what he was 378 00:20:59.680 --> 00:21:01.880 always the fan of. He wasn't a fan of X Men, 379 00:21:02.240 --> 00:21:05.039 and I've just watched his X Men movies in the 380 00:21:05.119 --> 00:21:07.880 last few weeks. I'm like, they are still good. So 381 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:10.759 I'm like, maybe those movies benefited from him not being 382 00:21:10.799 --> 00:21:14.920 a fan, you know, sure, sure, But I've said often 383 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:17.880 like he sort of he dealt body blows to both 384 00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:21.799 franchises X Men and Superman by leaving one for the other. 385 00:21:24.920 --> 00:21:27.440 I mean, I have to say to give him, look, 386 00:21:27.480 --> 00:21:31.240 I mean, yes, this is like the broad statement about him. 387 00:21:31.240 --> 00:21:33.240 He's a creep and it's terrible. 388 00:21:33.519 --> 00:21:37.279 Yes, just strictly speaking, watching this film, I mean, it's 389 00:21:37.319 --> 00:21:38.680 a gorgeous movie. 390 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:41.279 I agree. Yeah, that's a great shot, beautifully shot. 391 00:21:41.440 --> 00:21:47.279 Yeah, it's It's that though, is one of its strengths 392 00:21:47.279 --> 00:21:49.440 and also maybe one of its weaknesses. 393 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:54.480 It also reminded me sort of like someone who. 394 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:57.000 Knows they're attractive and keeps staring at themselves in the mirror. 395 00:21:58.640 --> 00:22:00.519 That's kind of what it feels like. Watch this movie 396 00:22:00.519 --> 00:22:03.359 a little bit, do you know what I'm saying? Like, Look, 397 00:22:03.440 --> 00:22:06.519 so this movie's over two and a half hours. I 398 00:22:06.559 --> 00:22:09.920 would say it has under two hours of story. 399 00:22:10.640 --> 00:22:11.680 I definitely agree with that. 400 00:22:11.799 --> 00:22:16.200 Yeah, but the photography, the shots, the shot lengths, the editing, 401 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:19.759 whatever I mean generously, you could say it's reverential feeling 402 00:22:20.319 --> 00:22:24.240 and not so generous, kind of languid. You know, it's 403 00:22:24.480 --> 00:22:28.440 very in love with its look. It feels like, and 404 00:22:28.559 --> 00:22:31.799 I would say somewhat understandably because it is beautiful. I 405 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:34.039 kept thinking over and over, like, this is very beautiful, 406 00:22:34.119 --> 00:22:36.119 Like it looks like a lot of paintings come to 407 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:40.920 life off but they just didn't have the sense to 408 00:22:41.000 --> 00:22:44.359 trim some of it down and make it move maybe 409 00:22:44.880 --> 00:22:46.000 a better speed. 410 00:22:47.559 --> 00:22:50.240 Well, I remember watching this the first time, and you 411 00:22:50.279 --> 00:22:52.480 know that as he's running through the cornfield and he 412 00:22:52.559 --> 00:22:55.400 jumps in the air and the music crescendos and it's 413 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:58.440 the Smallville music written by John Williams, you know that 414 00:22:58.519 --> 00:23:01.720 John Ottman has used and you know, I I you know, 415 00:23:01.759 --> 00:23:04.200 it made me feel a certain way, you know, sure, 416 00:23:05.079 --> 00:23:07.319 and it just reminds me of how this movie, this 417 00:23:07.359 --> 00:23:09.799 movie was part of my you Can't Go Home Again 418 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:12.000 trifecta in the in the aughts. 419 00:23:12.480 --> 00:23:14.720 Okay, okay, well, I think I know one of the others. 420 00:23:14.720 --> 00:23:15.559 What are they? 421 00:23:15.759 --> 00:23:17.759 Well, we had there was Planet of the Apes in 422 00:23:17.799 --> 00:23:20.680 two thousand and one. Yep, that's the one. Yeah, uh, 423 00:23:20.799 --> 00:23:22.839 and then there was this in O six, and then 424 00:23:22.839 --> 00:23:26.319 in eight you and I had a shared experience of 425 00:23:26.440 --> 00:23:31.519 course of Indiana Jones and. 426 00:23:31.519 --> 00:23:37.200 The Crystal Skull, and it was yeah, yeah, I Between 427 00:23:37.279 --> 00:23:41.319 those three it was literally like, you know, it's You're 428 00:23:41.359 --> 00:23:45.279 never gonna have that same experience with something new, so 429 00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:47.039 just cherish what you have with what's. 430 00:23:46.799 --> 00:23:48.480 Already there, you know. Yeah. 431 00:23:48.480 --> 00:23:51.359 I mean, I've often said that Kingdom of the Crystal 432 00:23:51.400 --> 00:23:53.880 Skull was the there is No Santa Claus moment of 433 00:23:53.920 --> 00:24:00.279 my adult life I've since, you know, I've oft and 434 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:00.559 on it. 435 00:24:00.640 --> 00:24:01.599 I still say of it. 436 00:24:01.640 --> 00:24:04.079 But when it's on TV or something I'll stop on it, 437 00:24:04.640 --> 00:24:08.039 but I will never forget seeing that in the theater 438 00:24:08.160 --> 00:24:11.920 with you and Sean. And I literally felt like I 439 00:24:12.079 --> 00:24:15.480 was waking from a dream, like I had not just 440 00:24:15.599 --> 00:24:17.599 actually literally seen what I had seen. 441 00:24:17.640 --> 00:24:20.039 And I remember real real quick by if I don't 442 00:24:20.039 --> 00:24:22.160 know if you can see on the sill there we 443 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:24.240 missed it, but there's a picture of Glenn Ford. Yeah, 444 00:24:24.319 --> 00:24:26.359 right there, Glenn Ford as Jonathan Kent, right next to 445 00:24:26.400 --> 00:24:31.720 the graduation picture. Ah, little little nod to the continuity. Yeah, anyway, 446 00:24:31.759 --> 00:24:32.640 I'm sorry, go ahead. 447 00:24:32.480 --> 00:24:34.720 No, no, no, that's all. I just I sharing that moment 448 00:24:34.759 --> 00:24:35.839 with you. It was very surreal. 449 00:24:36.119 --> 00:24:39.920 Yeah, and honestly it was. It was helpful in a way, right, 450 00:24:40.920 --> 00:24:41.720 it really was. 451 00:24:41.799 --> 00:24:44.440 I mean I think it it had to happen. 452 00:24:44.759 --> 00:24:48.079 It had to happen, and it that's that's what I realized, 453 00:24:48.319 --> 00:24:51.319 was like, you know, you're you're sort of chasing that high. 454 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:55.480 And you know, I went into this movie with just 455 00:24:55.839 --> 00:25:00.039 an armload of anticipation and expectation, not merely that it 456 00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:02.359 it was a new Superman movie after so long, but 457 00:25:02.599 --> 00:25:07.440 that it was meant to continue on from those ones 458 00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:09.920 that I loved so much, you know, right, and and 459 00:25:10.680 --> 00:25:16.079 you know, it's it. It doesn't really do that right, 460 00:25:16.160 --> 00:25:21.960 and and it I wasn't alone in that reaction like that. 461 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:24.240 That's been sort of interesting because to your point, like 462 00:25:24.279 --> 00:25:27.279 the movie did relatively okay, and I feel like it 463 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:29.119 was a lot of like it's still good, it's still good, 464 00:25:30.279 --> 00:25:32.000 and then you realize like it's not. It's not a 465 00:25:32.039 --> 00:25:34.039 movie you really feel compelled to go back to. 466 00:25:35.279 --> 00:25:37.160 Yeah, which is a terrible way to kick off what 467 00:25:37.319 --> 00:25:40.240 you hope is, Yeah, you know, a new start to 468 00:25:40.319 --> 00:25:43.279 the a reinvigoration of the series for a new decade. 469 00:25:43.640 --> 00:25:44.960 Yeah. 470 00:25:45.000 --> 00:25:47.319 But you know it's funny because I saw yeah, Rotten Tomatoes, 471 00:25:47.359 --> 00:25:50.279 it's somewhere in the seventies. Yeah, And I was like, yeah, 472 00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:54.960 that feels about right, because I can't say I like 473 00:25:55.039 --> 00:25:57.319 out and out dislike it either. 474 00:25:57.400 --> 00:25:59.920 I mean, it is I don't know. 475 00:26:00.000 --> 00:26:02.440 Maybe it is the visuals for me carrying me, because 476 00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:05.480 I did like looking at it, yeah, you know, and 477 00:26:05.519 --> 00:26:09.279 there are some nice moments in it, but it's just 478 00:26:09.319 --> 00:26:11.000 not something that I would want to watch over and 479 00:26:11.039 --> 00:26:14.440 over and it's certainly not a promising start to like 480 00:26:14.480 --> 00:26:15.799 a new trilogy or something. 481 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:22.599 Yeah. I think I think the mistake is in try 482 00:26:22.920 --> 00:26:25.839 you know again you want to wrap your premise around 483 00:26:25.880 --> 00:26:28.559 this this very heavy idea of like what does it 484 00:26:28.680 --> 00:26:32.599 mean to have Superman and to not have Superman? And 485 00:26:32.599 --> 00:26:36.640 and you're also trying to get a franchise going again, 486 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:40.079 and I just don't I think I think those those 487 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:42.279 cross purposes don't work. Well. 488 00:26:43.799 --> 00:26:46.519 Yeah, because we you mentioned this earlier, I'm sure we'll 489 00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:48.599 get more into it, but there's not a huge spark 490 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:52.799 between Clark and Lewis. And then also we have this 491 00:26:52.880 --> 00:26:55.000 like child at the end where it's. 492 00:26:54.839 --> 00:26:56.279 Like what do we do with that? Right? 493 00:26:56.319 --> 00:26:59.240 You know, it's just it just yeah, it feels like 494 00:26:59.319 --> 00:27:02.200 someone had a bunch of ideas and made the movie 495 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:04.440 but wasn't concerned with where it was going to go next. 496 00:27:04.480 --> 00:27:07.119 That's that's exactly Hanny and Worth mentioning. By the way, 497 00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.240 Sam Huntington as Jimmy Olsen, he's having the most fun 498 00:27:10.240 --> 00:27:12.799 in this movie. Yeah, I would with some more of 499 00:27:12.799 --> 00:27:16.200 that energy would have been Yeah, absolutely right. Franklin Jella, 500 00:27:16.519 --> 00:27:20.400 who is a tremendous actor. I feel like he wandered 501 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:23.640 onto the set and wandered off the set right like, 502 00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.200 I don't know if he knew the cameras were rolling 503 00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:27.160 you know. 504 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:32.200 I made a note that it was basically like, if 505 00:27:32.240 --> 00:27:35.759 it wasn't played by Franklin Jella, you would forget this 506 00:27:36.079 --> 00:27:40.039 character was in the movie absolutely, Like he's only is 507 00:27:40.079 --> 00:27:43.920 memorable because it's him, that's whatever he brings just as himself. 508 00:27:44.799 --> 00:27:48.799 So originally they had cast Hugh Laurie. I can see that, right, 509 00:27:48.880 --> 00:27:51.799 And this was when House was going, so you picture 510 00:27:51.880 --> 00:27:54.480 him at being the curmudgeon le doctor House type, you know. 511 00:27:54.680 --> 00:27:57.039 And wasn't Brian Singer producer on House? Yeah? I think 512 00:27:57.039 --> 00:27:58.799 he directed the pilot. Yeah, and he was an EP 513 00:27:58.920 --> 00:28:00.599 on it. Yeah, So that was probab why And I 514 00:28:00.599 --> 00:28:04.480 think I think the television schedule prevented that. But when 515 00:28:04.519 --> 00:28:06.599 when you hear Franklin Jelly, you're like, oh, okay, I 516 00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:09.759 can see that, right, But like, but he doesn't have 517 00:28:09.799 --> 00:28:13.079 any of Jackie Cooper's energy, you know, you know you 518 00:28:13.079 --> 00:28:16.119 pickedure Jackie. What's everybody's standing around for? Right? You know? 519 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:19.960 Like that that that kind of lovable, but like in 520 00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:23.839 the thick of it, you know, yep. The The other 521 00:28:23.920 --> 00:28:27.039 thing is Brandon Routh is I think Brandon Routh is 522 00:28:27.119 --> 00:28:30.519 good in this movie. I don't think he's great in 523 00:28:30.559 --> 00:28:34.119 this movie. And and it's mainly because of stuff that's 524 00:28:34.200 --> 00:28:37.440 kind of out of his hands, right Number one, that 525 00:28:37.519 --> 00:28:40.599 the script doesn't give either Superman or Clark a ton 526 00:28:40.680 --> 00:28:43.960 to do. And the other thing is he was explicitly 527 00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:50.559 instructed like play Christopher Reeves Clark, you know, and so 528 00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:54.799 it's forcing these comparisons, right Like when when you think 529 00:28:54.839 --> 00:29:01.079 about it, one of the best things possible for the 530 00:29:01.160 --> 00:29:04.400 James Bond franchise was that Roger Moore was about as 531 00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:08.000 different from Sean Connery as could be. Yeah, right, so 532 00:29:09.119 --> 00:29:11.000 like you kind of just had to reset your brain 533 00:29:11.000 --> 00:29:13.519 and be like, oh, this is this is somebody different, right, 534 00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:17.599 And I think what got route the gig is his 535 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:23.240 resemblance to Christopher Reeve. But unfortunately, and it's not his fault, 536 00:29:23.319 --> 00:29:24.880 but it forces that comparison. 537 00:29:25.559 --> 00:29:28.079 Yeah, yeah, and he's just kind of missing that when 538 00:29:28.119 --> 00:29:29.880 it's so close you're like, oh. 539 00:29:29.720 --> 00:29:31.440 But it's missing the twinkle in his own. 540 00:29:31.680 --> 00:29:33.839 You know, just those little Yeah, you're right, it's unfair 541 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:36.079 if they just let him be a bit. 542 00:29:35.920 --> 00:29:38.079 More, I mean the ironic thing. And the other thing. 543 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.359 I mean, he was very young at the time, and 544 00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:42.359 I think he needed to ferment a little bit because 545 00:29:42.359 --> 00:29:45.839 he he got to play Superman again a few years 546 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:49.839 ago during that cw DC mini series that they did, 547 00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:53.799 Crisis on Infinite Rates, and man, he was terrific in that. 548 00:29:54.240 --> 00:29:56.680 Oh that's great. Yeah. I pulled up his scenes again 549 00:29:56.720 --> 00:29:59.039 after watching this, just a resort of remind itself, like, no, no, 550 00:29:59.079 --> 00:30:01.720 he's very good. Mm hmm. And so you know he 551 00:30:01.839 --> 00:30:03.680 did need to get a few years under his belt, 552 00:30:03.799 --> 00:30:07.720 you know. Sure. Yeah. By the way, that's such like 553 00:30:07.759 --> 00:30:11.839 a weird, gross detail about the two dogs with the 554 00:30:11.839 --> 00:30:19.319 other dog, I know, yeah, it's like why it's so odd? Yeah. So, 555 00:30:19.319 --> 00:30:24.359 so cal Penn is there, like, you know, hiding wordlessly 556 00:30:24.519 --> 00:30:28.160 throughout this film, and you know you're kind of like, 557 00:30:28.240 --> 00:30:29.720 is that is that cal Pen? 558 00:30:30.759 --> 00:30:34.359 I remember that when it was released and thinking like, 559 00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.759 oh cool, I like this guy, and then realizing he 560 00:30:36.839 --> 00:30:39.240 was going to be like silent the entire movie. 561 00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.119 So apparently his character there there, there is backstory that 562 00:30:44.119 --> 00:30:46.480 that was written and I believe filmed that he is 563 00:30:46.559 --> 00:30:52.160 a disgraced Daily Planet science reporter who worked with Lex 564 00:30:52.599 --> 00:30:57.880 to plant a story that Krypton is still out there. Yes, 565 00:30:58.559 --> 00:31:02.400 and and that's what Superman off off world. 566 00:31:03.480 --> 00:31:06.039 Yeah, and I saw that that is included in the 567 00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.160 video game apparently tied with this, like that, oh interesting, 568 00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.680 I think Krypton's discovery was a hoax And I was 569 00:31:12.720 --> 00:31:14.000 like that makes me feel worse. 570 00:31:14.400 --> 00:31:20.279 Yeah, yeah, so depressing. Depressing on so many levels because again, 571 00:31:20.319 --> 00:31:24.440 it just goes back to something fundamental that, especially in 572 00:31:24.519 --> 00:31:27.319 this universe where there is only Superman, he is the 573 00:31:27.359 --> 00:31:33.920 only hero. You know, the idea that Superman would would 574 00:31:34.160 --> 00:31:39.200 would leave Earth unprotected, you know, doesn't make sense to me. 575 00:31:40.079 --> 00:31:43.799 Yeah, and just that he would leave for five years. Yeah, 576 00:31:43.839 --> 00:31:46.480 and then to learn that it was just based on 577 00:31:46.519 --> 00:31:49.079 a lie. I don't know it, just this, how can 578 00:31:49.119 --> 00:31:50.400 this movie make me feel more? 579 00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:53.799 Well? Well? And the fact that that it's not intrinsic 580 00:31:53.839 --> 00:31:56.839 to the plot mm hmm right, it's not like he 581 00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:01.279 comes back to Earth and he he reckons with that 582 00:32:01.599 --> 00:32:05.799 and and you know, like it's something essential because here 583 00:32:05.920 --> 00:32:07.880 here's the point. I think I've said this before, Like 584 00:32:08.559 --> 00:32:10.960 you could have had Superman trapped in the Phantom Zone 585 00:32:10.960 --> 00:32:14.799 for five years, sure, yeah, and it would be unwillingly 586 00:32:15.839 --> 00:32:18.519 And he's worked for five years to come back, and 587 00:32:18.559 --> 00:32:20.559 he comes back and he finds out the world has 588 00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:24.440 moved on without him. Well that's more interesting, absolutely, And 589 00:32:24.559 --> 00:32:27.359 it sets up more areas for your story to go 590 00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:30.119 because who who put him there? Are they coming back after? 591 00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:34.200 You know what I mean? Yep, this Ultimately, it's just 592 00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:38.319 it wanted to make a It wanted to make a 593 00:32:38.400 --> 00:32:41.359 meta commentary about how long Superman had not been in 594 00:32:41.440 --> 00:32:43.839 movies essentially and make the point that no, but we 595 00:32:43.839 --> 00:32:45.720 need Superman, right, which it feels like every couple of 596 00:32:45.759 --> 00:32:49.319 years the movies are doing that, like you know, Man 597 00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:51.200 of Steel is doing that, No, no, but we need Superman, 598 00:32:51.240 --> 00:32:53.400 and then now this new movie we need Superman. It's like, 599 00:32:53.759 --> 00:32:57.440 I believe you, you're right, I'm on board. I co 600 00:32:57.559 --> 00:33:01.039 signed your conclusion. But we don't need to keep saying it, 601 00:33:01.119 --> 00:33:04.720 you know, yeah, like just just make a Superman movie. 602 00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:07.200 It was sort of like we recently were talking about 603 00:33:07.200 --> 00:33:09.559 the Jurassic Park movies, where it feels like the filmmakers 604 00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:11.799 constantly need to be like, now, we know you've seen 605 00:33:11.839 --> 00:33:14.519 dinosaurs since nineteen ninety three, and it's not gonna be enough. 606 00:33:14.559 --> 00:33:16.240 So we're gonna have all our characters be like, oh 607 00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:19.359 ho home, I'm bored with dinosaurs. So we're gonna make 608 00:33:19.359 --> 00:33:21.839 a bigger dinosaur because like we're ahead of you. We 609 00:33:21.920 --> 00:33:24.720 know you're already bored, and I'm always like, no, I'm not. 610 00:33:26.519 --> 00:33:30.319 I'm here because I like dinosaurs. Yeah, it just feels 611 00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:37.599 like this overthink, Yeah they do. So that's a cameo, right. 612 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:39.839 Yeah, yeah, I meant to mention so Bo the bartender. 613 00:33:39.880 --> 00:33:42.839 That is Jack Larson. He played Jimmy Olsen in the 614 00:33:43.079 --> 00:33:47.680 in the George Reeves television series. So both of those actors, 615 00:33:47.759 --> 00:33:51.599 Noel O'Neil and he have passed away since then. I 616 00:33:51.720 --> 00:33:54.160 at this point, you know, there is no one left 617 00:33:54.559 --> 00:33:58.119 alive who was on the Adventure of Superman television show, sure, 618 00:33:58.440 --> 00:34:01.039 which is one of those weird things. I was watching 619 00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:06.839 I Love Lucy yesterday and you realize, like everybody's gone, Yeah, 620 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:08.639 this is all that exists, you know, and there's something 621 00:34:09.880 --> 00:34:13.800 sobering about it is weird. Yeah. That was Richard Branson, 622 00:34:13.800 --> 00:34:17.000 by the way, as one of the astronauts. Oh really, yeah, 623 00:34:17.039 --> 00:34:21.800 because it's it's yeah, you can shoot you can see it. 624 00:34:21.840 --> 00:34:24.239 Yeah right there. Oh, how funny. I didn't know that. 625 00:34:27.199 --> 00:34:32.360 So okay, by the Peter Wilson as the flight attendant 626 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:37.639 or you know, the whatever the yeah right there, okay, Ay, 627 00:34:37.920 --> 00:34:40.679 she was like a bigger name back then when you 628 00:34:40.719 --> 00:34:43.719 say that name, it rings a bell, And even seeing her, 629 00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:45.280 I felt like, do I ever do I know who 630 00:34:45.360 --> 00:34:47.079 that is? But I don't. It's on the tip of 631 00:34:47.079 --> 00:34:49.360 my She was on La fem Nikita right in the 632 00:34:49.480 --> 00:34:54.360 in the nineties, I think, on the USA say yeah, yeah, okay, okay, 633 00:34:54.800 --> 00:34:57.360 and she was in legal extoring gentlemen. Anyway. My point 634 00:34:57.400 --> 00:35:00.679 is she could have been Lois Lane. Okay, wait, so 635 00:35:01.440 --> 00:35:06.840 not a Kate Bosworth. So I'm just gonna say, Kate Bosworth, 636 00:35:08.480 --> 00:35:12.119 who you know? I've seen her be fine and other stuff. 637 00:35:12.760 --> 00:35:16.880 She was in no way suited for this film. The 638 00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.960 script did her dirty, but she just she just does 639 00:35:21.039 --> 00:35:24.000 not did not have the chops to play the role 640 00:35:24.079 --> 00:35:27.679 in any way that may that makes Lois in any 641 00:35:27.760 --> 00:35:32.760 way compelling mm hmm. And and I think it's it's 642 00:35:32.800 --> 00:35:38.360 the it's calamitous casting because she doesn't evoke any of 643 00:35:38.440 --> 00:35:42.320 the the spunk of Margot Kidder. So to make us 644 00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.159 be like, oh, it's the same character. She looks younger 645 00:35:44.159 --> 00:35:45.280 than Margot Kidder. 646 00:35:45.760 --> 00:35:48.559 Right right, Yeah, I read that she's only sixteen years 647 00:35:48.599 --> 00:35:49.440 older than the boy. 648 00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:53.840 Yes, that's so odd, right, yeah, Like why do that? 649 00:35:54.039 --> 00:35:59.920 Why why deliberately put a clock on your premise, that's 650 00:36:00.239 --> 00:36:03.159 this is set X number of years after what we've 651 00:36:03.159 --> 00:36:10.719 already seen, sure, and then go younger. Right, So none 652 00:36:10.719 --> 00:36:13.039 of what they give Lois to do is particularly effective. 653 00:36:15.679 --> 00:36:22.440 There's no chemistry between her and Superman. There's no sense 654 00:36:22.559 --> 00:36:27.480 of she's like kind of a dick to Clark. Yeah, yeah, 655 00:36:27.840 --> 00:36:28.679 it's super weird. 656 00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.320 I thought the same thing, and well it did make 657 00:36:31.360 --> 00:36:33.239 me wonder then what does he see in her? 658 00:36:33.519 --> 00:36:33.639 Right? 659 00:36:34.679 --> 00:36:36.840 You know, someone who would be so cruel. 660 00:36:36.960 --> 00:36:39.159 I mean, you know, sometimes she can just be like, 661 00:36:39.159 --> 00:36:42.440 oh Clark in the other versions, but here she seems 662 00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:43.039 rude to him. 663 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:45.800 That's I mean, again, this goes to what I was 664 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:49.599 saying before, Like, okay, let's take you at your premise. 665 00:36:49.679 --> 00:36:53.239 This is the sequel to Superman one and two. We've 666 00:36:53.280 --> 00:36:56.320 seen those movies. We see how Lois and Clark are together, 667 00:36:57.440 --> 00:37:00.360 even when she doesn't know he's Superman. She's very sweet 668 00:37:00.360 --> 00:37:03.920 to him. Yeah, she's not like hey, creep, you know 669 00:37:04.039 --> 00:37:08.159 or whatever. Price So it's very weird, you know. Yeah, 670 00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:11.119 Like like when you watch when you watch Lois and 671 00:37:11.199 --> 00:37:14.800 Clark in their Daily Planet scenes in Superman two, it's 672 00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:18.599 it's amusing. It's you know, they have bantered together and 673 00:37:18.679 --> 00:37:21.639 she she's the issue is not like she doesn't have 674 00:37:21.639 --> 00:37:23.559 any time for Clarke. It's just she views him like 675 00:37:23.559 --> 00:37:27.679 a brother, but she's affectionate to him like a brother, right, 676 00:37:27.719 --> 00:37:31.519 you know what I mean? Right? Yeah? 677 00:37:31.920 --> 00:37:34.760 Yeah, yeah, so yeah, yeah, I was, I was curious. 678 00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.679 I mean, Keith Bosworth is kind of interesting, like I'm 679 00:37:37.679 --> 00:37:40.960 looking her up now, like Blue Crush of course comes to. 680 00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.360 Mind, like put her on the map. 681 00:37:42.599 --> 00:37:46.400 Yeah, and then I forgot about twenty one but the 682 00:37:46.519 --> 00:37:46.920 math co. 683 00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:51.239 Oh yeah with Kevin Spacey right, oh wow, yeah, see 684 00:37:51.400 --> 00:37:53.519 I've seen all these when a date with Tad Hamilton, 685 00:37:53.639 --> 00:37:56.320 but they're very much of an era. Didn't wasn't she 686 00:37:56.360 --> 00:37:59.039 in that other Kevin Spacey movie, The Oh yeah, that's 687 00:37:59.039 --> 00:37:59.840 what got her this role. 688 00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:03.159 Apparently he recommended her. Oh really Across the Sea. 689 00:38:03.480 --> 00:38:06.320 Across the Sea, that's right. Yeah, he came in saying 690 00:38:06.320 --> 00:38:09.920 you should cast and Spacey we should say, I mean 691 00:38:10.280 --> 00:38:16.639 he he okay again another sex predator, right, which makes 692 00:38:16.639 --> 00:38:18.760 a movie hard to watch, But he got the gig 693 00:38:18.800 --> 00:38:21.360 on the back of having one an oscar working with 694 00:38:21.400 --> 00:38:24.920 Brian Singer previously on Usual Suspects. 695 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:28.039 Yeah, yeah, which is it's kind of easy to forget 696 00:38:28.159 --> 00:38:28.920 Usual Suspects. 697 00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:29.679 That was such. 698 00:38:29.519 --> 00:38:35.000 A you know, a iconic movie of the nineties, right, 699 00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:40.679 and you forget that Chris McQuary, yeah, and Brian Singer 700 00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:43.679 are the creative forces behind that, right, because now you 701 00:38:43.679 --> 00:38:47.679 think of McQuary and Mission Impossible and Singer and these 702 00:38:47.719 --> 00:38:54.360 superhero movies. Yea, let alone his personal problems. But right, like, 703 00:38:54.400 --> 00:38:56.960 it just seems that movie feels like it sort of 704 00:38:56.960 --> 00:38:59.400 stands on its own as his own little iconic thing. 705 00:38:59.440 --> 00:39:02.519 But I always forget that those two were involved with that. 706 00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:05.639 It's interesting, well, it's it's sort of like the Dawn 707 00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:08.760 of the Dead remake from four, which is written by 708 00:39:08.840 --> 00:39:14.679 James Gunn and directed by Zack Snyder. Perfect comparison. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. 709 00:39:14.719 --> 00:39:17.480 I'd like to rewatch Usual Suspects again because I remember 710 00:39:17.519 --> 00:39:18.840 it was such a That was when I was really 711 00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:23.280 getting in the movies, and I'd never seen a mind 712 00:39:23.280 --> 00:39:25.880 blowing twist like that before, and I just thought it 713 00:39:25.920 --> 00:39:28.400 was so incredible. I'd be curious to see how it 714 00:39:28.440 --> 00:39:29.639 holds up all these years later. 715 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:32.480 I think. I think for me, what continues to be 716 00:39:32.519 --> 00:39:36.039 the most memorable part of the Usual Suspects is the 717 00:39:36.079 --> 00:39:40.639 parody of the Revelation scene when it wrongfully accused with 718 00:39:40.880 --> 00:39:43.480 Leslie Nielsen, with Leslie Nielsen, which cracks me up to 719 00:39:43.519 --> 00:39:50.199 this day. Yeah. Yeah, So this this opening, uh, the 720 00:39:50.639 --> 00:39:54.440 re intro sequence of Superman is is meant to echo, 721 00:39:54.599 --> 00:39:58.119 you know, the helicopter scene in the original film. First 722 00:39:58.119 --> 00:40:02.079 of all, Lois should be like a fine paste based 723 00:40:02.119 --> 00:40:04.960 on how much she's she's whipped around this cabin. 724 00:40:05.360 --> 00:40:09.079 I get that they need to make her stand out, yeah, 725 00:40:09.079 --> 00:40:13.559 in this catastrophe, but it almost borders on parody. How 726 00:40:13.559 --> 00:40:16.760 many shots we get of her whipping around and smashing 727 00:40:16.760 --> 00:40:19.760 into the wall, smashing into the ceiling, smashing into the floor, 728 00:40:19.960 --> 00:40:22.639 like it almost does become like a naked gun sort of. 729 00:40:23.840 --> 00:40:24.599 It's so funny. 730 00:40:24.760 --> 00:40:29.159 Yeah, And then that it's kind of an interesting moment 731 00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.920 when she's on the ceiling has the free fall and 732 00:40:31.960 --> 00:40:34.880 that guy's looking at her right, but they keep like 733 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.559 cutting back and forth and back to that shot. 734 00:40:37.719 --> 00:40:40.599 So instead of becoming this weird shared moment between two 735 00:40:40.599 --> 00:40:43.480 people in peril, it almost feels like, well, help her, dude, 736 00:40:45.039 --> 00:40:45.880 reach out your hand. 737 00:40:47.400 --> 00:40:49.440 Okay, So this right here, this is and we hear 738 00:40:49.679 --> 00:40:51.320 this is where we hear the crescendo of the John 739 00:40:51.320 --> 00:40:55.559 Williams Superman theme. Yeah, and what I realized rewatching is 740 00:40:55.599 --> 00:40:57.719 those are the only moments when my heart kind of 741 00:40:57.760 --> 00:41:00.320 starts to be a little faster, right, sure, which is 742 00:41:00.320 --> 00:41:03.360 a problem. Now we see Superman finally in all his 743 00:41:03.400 --> 00:41:07.719 glory here, and what you realize is that this is 744 00:41:07.920 --> 00:41:10.760 an absolutely ghastly Superman costume. 745 00:41:11.559 --> 00:41:12.880 Okay, yeah, tell me about it. 746 00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:20.000 Well, it's it's it's weird how I described it, It's 747 00:41:20.000 --> 00:41:25.239 like a Timu Superman costume. Okay, because it's like they 748 00:41:25.320 --> 00:41:31.199 got they managed to get everything just a little bit wrong. Okay, 749 00:41:31.239 --> 00:41:36.559 so collectively it just looks bad, right right, So like 750 00:41:37.039 --> 00:41:41.840 number one, the colors are way too dark, so instead 751 00:41:41.840 --> 00:41:46.039 of bright red, it's like maroon, right, the blue and 752 00:41:46.119 --> 00:41:50.960 the red they don't go together, right, Okay, The neckline 753 00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:54.599 is too high, the S symbol is too small. Yes, 754 00:41:54.920 --> 00:41:58.039 I even thought that the trunks are too small and 755 00:41:58.119 --> 00:42:03.280 too low not shot again. Yeah, we'll see when when 756 00:42:03.320 --> 00:42:07.199 when the thing lands and the boots are too big? Yeah, 757 00:42:07.280 --> 00:42:11.679 and and and there's says everywhere, oh is that you know? 758 00:42:11.760 --> 00:42:13.840 I saw something about that online and I wasn't sure 759 00:42:13.880 --> 00:42:14.760 if that was true or not. 760 00:42:15.079 --> 00:42:17.159 So there they're okay. Well number one, there's like the 761 00:42:17.280 --> 00:42:20.119 S on the belt buckle, there's s's on his boots. 762 00:42:20.360 --> 00:42:25.440 The costume is printed screen printed with s's. Okay, that's yeah, 763 00:42:25.440 --> 00:42:26.079 that's what I saw. 764 00:42:26.199 --> 00:42:28.199 Yeah, I just saw a bunch of little mini s's. 765 00:42:28.360 --> 00:42:32.679 Yeah, And I'm like, dude, like it worked, like the 766 00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:34.800 thing that was there, Like all you had to do 767 00:42:35.199 --> 00:42:37.760 was just modernize the reef suit a little bit. 768 00:42:39.760 --> 00:42:45.159 Well, now this comes after years of attempted uh new 769 00:42:45.239 --> 00:42:47.679 Superman movies, right, I mean Tim Burton of course, famously, 770 00:42:47.719 --> 00:42:52.280 Brett Rattner, all these other things. And there's all these stories. 771 00:42:52.280 --> 00:42:54.719 I mean, the one I know most famously is from 772 00:42:54.800 --> 00:42:57.360 Kevin Smith. Yeah, and he was involved in the script. 773 00:42:57.519 --> 00:43:01.519 But it seems like there was a lot of a 774 00:43:01.559 --> 00:43:05.519 pushback against the costume from producers at least yeah, thinking 775 00:43:05.559 --> 00:43:07.639 that maybe in this day and age, we need to 776 00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:09.639 rethink it or modernize it or get rid of the 777 00:43:09.679 --> 00:43:11.800 cape or so do you feel like this is a 778 00:43:11.840 --> 00:43:13.960 compromise then, Where Singer was like no, no, no, we 779 00:43:13.960 --> 00:43:14.639 get the trunks, we. 780 00:43:14.599 --> 00:43:15.719 Get the boots, we get the cape. 781 00:43:15.960 --> 00:43:19.039 But they're like, all right, well then it can't be bright, 782 00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:21.760 it can't look like what we know from a sunny 783 00:43:21.760 --> 00:43:25.480 comic book. It has to look muted, you know, darker 784 00:43:25.519 --> 00:43:30.119 colors because it's more serious and realistic. I mean, do 785 00:43:30.159 --> 00:43:31.599 you think that that's what we're looking at here? 786 00:43:32.039 --> 00:43:37.800 That's entirely possible. Yeah, it's odd though, right, like, because 787 00:43:37.880 --> 00:43:40.360 what you end up with is a very odd looking 788 00:43:40.920 --> 00:43:46.400 Superman suit. Sure, but real quick though, I love this 789 00:43:46.440 --> 00:43:48.360 when he's landing the plane and we get this like 790 00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:51.559 this force wave like I was just going to call 791 00:43:51.599 --> 00:43:54.360 that out, and when the cone crunches in his hand 792 00:43:54.400 --> 00:43:56.599 from the force. Yeah, like you can imagine a version 793 00:43:56.599 --> 00:43:58.039 where it's like, no, he just stops the plane and 794 00:43:58.039 --> 00:44:00.559 sets it down. But I love the sort of physics 795 00:44:00.559 --> 00:44:03.159 of it. They grapple with the physics of the whole process. 796 00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:06.480 I think it's super cool. And really this sequence right here, 797 00:44:06.760 --> 00:44:10.800 so about about forty minutes in is the the excitement 798 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:17.960 highlight of the movie. Yeah, yeah, without a doubt. Right, So, 799 00:44:18.239 --> 00:44:22.679 so look at you. You can see the shot that 800 00:44:22.719 --> 00:44:25.440 we get of the suit here. Oh yeah, yeah, the 801 00:44:25.480 --> 00:44:28.119 low trunks. I see that it's so low, right, and 802 00:44:28.159 --> 00:44:31.599 what it does it makes his midsection look weirdly stretched 803 00:44:31.639 --> 00:44:34.559 out and thin. If the Brandon Routh is a big, 804 00:44:34.679 --> 00:44:38.079 tall guy, right, so why wouldn't you build the suit 805 00:44:38.159 --> 00:44:43.000 to highlight that, tokecentuate it, you know, Yeah, I do. 806 00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:44.400 I mean I want to call out the moments that 807 00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:47.199 I like, and I do like this. Yeah, I heard 808 00:44:47.199 --> 00:44:49.519 seeing him for the first time after you know, stopping 809 00:44:49.519 --> 00:44:51.800 the plane in the middle of a baseball stadium and 810 00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:56.000 then them clearly sharing a moment with one another, and 811 00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:59.079 everyone doing the sort of swivel in their seats, like 812 00:44:59.280 --> 00:45:02.920 watching them react to each other back and forth. 813 00:45:02.960 --> 00:45:07.239 That's good moment. See. So this here where everybody starts cheering, Like, 814 00:45:07.320 --> 00:45:13.840 I wonder would that be the way people react if 815 00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:18.400 he's just been gone for five years? Right? And I'm 816 00:45:18.440 --> 00:45:20.639 not even like I I genuinely like, I wonder, in 817 00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:26.920 this day and age, in this cynical age that we're in, 818 00:45:27.000 --> 00:45:34.239 would people be as excited when at first I wasn't sure. Yeah, 819 00:45:34.320 --> 00:45:35.639 And I think because. 820 00:45:35.320 --> 00:45:37.599 It's at the very least, I mean, he stopped a 821 00:45:37.679 --> 00:45:40.639 plane from crashing into the stadium, so there's probably a 822 00:45:40.679 --> 00:45:42.119 collective relief or something like. 823 00:45:42.079 --> 00:45:43.679 Hey, hey, how about this, why don't you take the 824 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:44.840 plane with you? You dick. 825 00:45:45.320 --> 00:45:48.920 I will never forget that you made that point back 826 00:45:48.960 --> 00:45:51.440 in two thousand and six, and I've never forgot it. 827 00:45:52.480 --> 00:45:54.480 So now they got to get like a construction career 828 00:45:54.480 --> 00:45:56.280 in theresemb it would take. 829 00:45:56.320 --> 00:45:58.360 Next to no effort for him to just wait till 830 00:45:58.360 --> 00:45:59.960 everybody exits here, let me get this out of here, 831 00:46:00.280 --> 00:46:02.159 continue your game. No, no, no, he's got to be 832 00:46:02.159 --> 00:46:03.920 a dick about it. Not only did I leave for 833 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:11.400 five years because I'm a dick for yeah yeah, yeah, 834 00:46:11.639 --> 00:46:13.280 sorry you were saying, well, no, but you're right. 835 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:16.559 I mean, especially in this so social media TikTok whatever age, 836 00:46:16.559 --> 00:46:19.719 like everyone would have a hot take, you know, yeah, yeah, 837 00:46:19.920 --> 00:46:22.800 be a lot more cynical and question everything. 838 00:46:23.039 --> 00:46:26.960 And I will say the twenty twenty five model definitely 839 00:46:27.039 --> 00:46:30.239 leans into the idea of social media as a factor 840 00:46:30.400 --> 00:46:33.719 in how people deal with with superhumans. You know, so 841 00:46:33.800 --> 00:46:36.880 I think, oh, okay, I mean it makes sense. It 842 00:46:36.920 --> 00:46:42.880 absolutely does. Yeah. Now now this here. I remember when 843 00:46:42.920 --> 00:46:45.679 this movie came out, there was controversy because Perry White says, 844 00:46:46.039 --> 00:46:50.280 is he still for truth, justice, all that stuff? Instead 845 00:46:50.280 --> 00:46:52.519 of the American way? Instead of the American way. And 846 00:46:52.760 --> 00:46:55.559 this is nineteen years ago. There's all this controversy Fox News. 847 00:46:55.679 --> 00:46:59.199 You know, I'm not kidding you. Know, and then and 848 00:46:59.239 --> 00:47:02.920 then now you know, we've got new controversy because you know, 849 00:47:03.199 --> 00:47:05.199 James Gunn is like, you know, Superman is an immigrant 850 00:47:05.199 --> 00:47:07.800 and he shows how you know, and Fox News going 851 00:47:07.880 --> 00:47:19.320 after it again, and I'm like a bitch, nothing changes. Yeah, yeah, 852 00:47:19.559 --> 00:47:24.360 you know, I. 853 00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:26.880 Gotta say, it's kind of a weird ironic thing. But 854 00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:29.400 watching this on my iPad right now, it looks so 855 00:47:29.480 --> 00:47:31.199 much better, smaller. 856 00:47:31.639 --> 00:47:37.920 That's interesting. Yeah, lesmeary looking. Yeah, this is something about 857 00:47:37.920 --> 00:47:42.119 the brown and it's just the color palette is so muted. 858 00:47:42.280 --> 00:47:44.840 You know. One thing I loved about The Daily Planet 859 00:47:44.840 --> 00:47:47.719 in those first two movies is how how real it felt. 860 00:47:47.760 --> 00:47:49.199 It felt like all the President's men. 861 00:47:49.679 --> 00:47:54.679 Yes, yes, yeah, you know, yeah, I mean I sort 862 00:47:54.679 --> 00:47:55.239 of get it. 863 00:47:55.320 --> 00:48:00.159 Norman Rockwell is not the right direct comparison, but some 864 00:48:00.199 --> 00:48:04.480 sort of warm Americana, painterly sort of that's what. That's 865 00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:06.840 what this feels like. But you do that for the 866 00:48:06.880 --> 00:48:08.280 Smallville stuff, right, that's what that? 867 00:48:08.800 --> 00:48:11.480 Oh yeah, sure, sure that's a good point. Yeah, this 868 00:48:11.519 --> 00:48:12.400 is like big city here. 869 00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:15.920 I mean, I I this kid, by the way, is adorable. 870 00:48:16.119 --> 00:48:17.159 He is so cute. 871 00:48:17.199 --> 00:48:19.920 He's the only kid I've ever I was thinking this 872 00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:24.239 last Night. They keep making these home alone sequels and 873 00:48:24.400 --> 00:48:27.239 the kid is always wrong. That's why mcaulay culkin is 874 00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:29.639 like a miracle of casting, right, you know what I mean? 875 00:48:29.679 --> 00:48:31.519 They always just feel it's sort I always say it's 876 00:48:31.519 --> 00:48:33.440 about Fairs Bueller. You push him like one degree in 877 00:48:33.480 --> 00:48:33.960 this direction. 878 00:48:34.079 --> 00:48:37.719 He's a dick. You get series? What's that? You get 879 00:48:37.719 --> 00:48:39.239 Ferris Bueller the series? Yeah? 880 00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:41.920 Yeah, he's like this miracle of casting where he's just 881 00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:44.760 kind of cool and likable. Anyway, this kid, I was like, oh, 882 00:48:44.800 --> 00:48:46.679 if I saw this kid in a home alone movie, 883 00:48:46.679 --> 00:48:48.800 I'd be rooting for him. 884 00:48:49.599 --> 00:48:52.280 See this here where it's like awkward and like, oh 885 00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:57.000 what the kids are hug I'm like what, it doesn't 886 00:48:57.000 --> 00:48:59.199 make any sense. I'm like, why why would you not? 887 00:48:59.280 --> 00:49:01.719 Why would you not try to make Lois as warm 888 00:49:01.760 --> 00:49:02.480 as possible? 889 00:49:02.840 --> 00:49:05.119 Yeah, yeah, well your friend is back after five years 890 00:49:05.119 --> 00:49:07.000 and she's treating him kind of like an afterthought. 891 00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:11.960 It's so baffling to me because if we're supposed to 892 00:49:11.960 --> 00:49:15.159 feel something about the idea that Lois has moved on 893 00:49:16.320 --> 00:49:20.519 a why would she not have moved on? Right? Of 894 00:49:20.519 --> 00:49:24.320 course she would because Superman left without saying anything, and 895 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:28.880 you know the movie doesn't know what it wants us 896 00:49:28.880 --> 00:49:30.440 to feel about any of it. The other thing, by 897 00:49:30.480 --> 00:49:34.440 the way, is that her husband or her boyfriend, Richard 898 00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:37.960 played by James Martsina, is like a really good guy. 899 00:49:38.639 --> 00:49:41.960 Mm hmm. Yeah. So you're also like, hey, Superman, why 900 00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:43.320 don't you just like leave him alone? Man? 901 00:49:43.639 --> 00:49:47.199 I know, I know, yeah, it adds to that, like, yeah, 902 00:49:47.199 --> 00:49:49.599 it's sort of melancholy feeling that I don't want to 903 00:49:49.639 --> 00:49:51.639 be feeling when I'm watching a Superman movie. 904 00:49:52.280 --> 00:49:55.880 Right. Well, you know, Brian Singer, he talked about this 905 00:49:55.960 --> 00:49:59.320 movie retrospectively. He's like, you know, we were we weren't 906 00:49:59.320 --> 00:50:01.159 really going for the super Here audience. We were going 907 00:50:01.159 --> 00:50:03.119 for the Devil wors Prada audience. 908 00:50:03.880 --> 00:50:05.159 I don't even know what that means. 909 00:50:05.320 --> 00:50:10.760 Yeah, and right, I'm like, well, then don't make Superman. 910 00:50:11.599 --> 00:50:13.599 Brian Singer, not all. 911 00:50:14.039 --> 00:50:16.679 But also like I like Devil wors product, like it's 912 00:50:16.719 --> 00:50:18.199 a that's an upbeat movie. 913 00:50:19.159 --> 00:50:22.480 Yeah. Well, and and I think he made that comparison 914 00:50:22.480 --> 00:50:25.400 because they they were like they came out the same weekend. 915 00:50:25.400 --> 00:50:29.960 I think. Okay, so I suppose he wanted to get 916 00:50:30.320 --> 00:50:32.519 the girls in and yeah, I'm saying, like, is he 917 00:50:32.559 --> 00:50:35.000 basically what he's trying to say, just he's trying to 918 00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:38.440 make a movie for women. It's odd though, right, because yeah, 919 00:50:38.440 --> 00:50:43.920 I mean women watched the original Superman. Yeah, they were 920 00:50:43.920 --> 00:50:47.000 swept up in the fantasy of flying with Chris Chris Reeve. 921 00:50:47.079 --> 00:50:48.599 You know. Yeah. 922 00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:50.519 But to your point, I mean, okay, so you want 923 00:50:50.559 --> 00:50:55.199 to maybe plus up the relationship dynamics in the story, Okay, 924 00:50:55.280 --> 00:50:58.599 that's cool. But like you said, yeah, James Martin's kind 925 00:50:58.599 --> 00:51:00.840 of a nice guy, and it's kind it becomes almost 926 00:51:01.440 --> 00:51:04.880 stalkerly the way that Superman just hangs out at their 927 00:51:04.880 --> 00:51:07.519 house and stares through the walls and even like creeps 928 00:51:07.519 --> 00:51:11.800 into the boy's bedroom at one point, and that's I 929 00:51:11.800 --> 00:51:15.280 don't think that that relates to what it says he's aiming. 930 00:51:14.960 --> 00:51:18.000 For, right, I mean. Marsden is like straight up the 931 00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:19.679 most heroic person in this movie. 932 00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.639 Yeah, he has no powers and he risks everything. 933 00:51:22.800 --> 00:51:25.920 He is actively placing himself in harm's way for no 934 00:51:25.960 --> 00:51:28.639 reason other than doing the right thing. He's just a 935 00:51:28.639 --> 00:51:32.679 good guy by the way. Marsden, you know, he he 936 00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:35.480 he has a very abbreviated role in X Men three 937 00:51:36.679 --> 00:51:39.519 because of his role in this one. So he like 938 00:51:39.599 --> 00:51:41.960 shows up in the beginning of X Men three, He's like, hey, 939 00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:46.480 how do you guys get out of here? Wolverine? And 940 00:51:46.519 --> 00:51:47.519 then and then he dies. 941 00:51:49.039 --> 00:51:52.360 It's basically by the way, I love this moment again 942 00:51:52.440 --> 00:51:53.519 calling out the moments I do. 943 00:51:53.519 --> 00:51:58.639 Like why does she why does she react like that? 944 00:51:58.800 --> 00:52:01.000 No, I agree, I don't like her reaction, but I 945 00:52:01.039 --> 00:52:03.719 love her just like Hi, like nodding across the elevator 946 00:52:03.719 --> 00:52:04.599 and him like yeah hi. 947 00:52:05.840 --> 00:52:10.599 She's so like, oh you hi, I know, I know see. 948 00:52:10.639 --> 00:52:13.280 And again this goes to directing, like this is this 949 00:52:13.320 --> 00:52:17.679 is about the how she is told to play the role. Sure, yeah, 950 00:52:18.000 --> 00:52:20.400 And I'm like, if nothing else, we have to buy 951 00:52:20.400 --> 00:52:23.599 into the warmth of Lois Lane as a person because 952 00:52:23.599 --> 00:52:29.320 we have to, Like, fundamentally, she is the person who, 953 00:52:29.519 --> 00:52:33.880 in any incarnation, is the one who who Clark, this 954 00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:38.840 god from across the stars, says, I want to live 955 00:52:38.880 --> 00:52:41.519 a normal life with this person. Yeah, we have to 956 00:52:41.559 --> 00:52:44.519 buy that. You know. That's one thing. You know, when 957 00:52:44.559 --> 00:52:46.480 you and I when we watched the Loewso and Clark 958 00:52:46.519 --> 00:52:50.119 television pilot, it's like you just you get it right away. 959 00:52:51.199 --> 00:52:53.239 Why Clark would just fall head over heels for her. 960 00:52:53.480 --> 00:53:00.159 Yep, you know, yeah, I mean this is a By 961 00:53:00.199 --> 00:53:02.119 the time this drops, the new Superman will be out. 962 00:53:02.159 --> 00:53:04.760 So can you at least briefly comment on how the 963 00:53:04.800 --> 00:53:06.519 relationship works in that one. I mean, did you like 964 00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:07.880 it Lewis and Clark? 965 00:53:08.199 --> 00:53:13.159 I loved it great. I think Rachel Brosnahan is fantastic. Okay, fantastic. 966 00:53:13.199 --> 00:53:17.760 She is fantastic. Yeah, and they they spark together. And 967 00:53:18.280 --> 00:53:21.119 I think it helps that I watched that less than 968 00:53:21.119 --> 00:53:25.000 twenty four hours after watching this. Sure, you know, yeah, 969 00:53:25.039 --> 00:53:28.239 and it again, it is a shame, but it gets 970 00:53:28.320 --> 00:53:34.320 to it feels to me like I'm watching kids cosplay 971 00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:40.400 m even Ruth Ruth Ralph well because he's he's having 972 00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:43.639 to coseplay as Christopher Reeves Clark Kent. 973 00:53:43.960 --> 00:53:46.400 Sure, sure, but I was just thinking about the kids thing, 974 00:53:46.440 --> 00:53:47.440 like does he feel little too? 975 00:53:47.719 --> 00:53:50.280 I guess you did say that he doesn't feel as 976 00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:53.159 he he yeah, And I don't know if I felt 977 00:53:53.159 --> 00:53:56.880 that at the time, because he's like roughly our age, probably. 978 00:53:56.639 --> 00:54:00.360 Right, yeah, I think, oh yeah, I think almost exactly. 979 00:54:00.400 --> 00:54:02.480 He's I want to say, twenty six in this movie. 980 00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:06.679 Okay, So you know that's just a weird thing because 981 00:54:06.719 --> 00:54:09.639 Christopher Reeve was younger than that when he was Superman. 982 00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:13.559 Yeah, but it's that weird phenomenon, right, people from the seventies, eighties, whatever, 983 00:54:13.599 --> 00:54:14.960 they just looked so much older. 984 00:54:15.079 --> 00:54:18.280 Yeah. So I don't know how kids would have perceived 985 00:54:18.599 --> 00:54:22.960 Brandon Rout in this. Yeah, but I definitely like when 986 00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:26.280 you when you look at him in Crisis a few 987 00:54:26.320 --> 00:54:30.159 years ago, it's it's like he he had aged into 988 00:54:30.199 --> 00:54:35.400 it in the right way. Sure. Sure, see the neckline 989 00:54:35.440 --> 00:54:38.760 being like right by his neck, that that I've never 990 00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:40.679 liked that. I think I think Superman's neckl line should 991 00:54:40.679 --> 00:54:41.840 be a little bit lower. I don't even like in 992 00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:43.360 the new movie how they give him a collar. I 993 00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:46.719 don't like that. Oh yeah, yeah, I don't want to 994 00:54:46.760 --> 00:54:52.119 see it. Oh yeah, it looks like a costume that 995 00:54:52.159 --> 00:54:54.400 you would buy from from Target or something, you know. 996 00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:59.079 Yeah yeah, I mean I noticed the darker colors and 997 00:54:59.159 --> 00:55:02.079 it's just like, what but the S was bothering me. 998 00:55:02.239 --> 00:55:05.960 Besides, of the S should, in my opinion, you know, 999 00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:08.519 it should sprawl out on his chest a little more 1000 00:55:08.519 --> 00:55:13.239 because it makes the chest look bigger. Yeah. See, there's 1001 00:55:13.239 --> 00:55:16.920 something about this scene I think. I think it's an 1002 00:55:16.920 --> 00:55:21.000 interesting scene. And here's the thing. I think Marsden is 1003 00:55:21.039 --> 00:55:24.519 good in it. I think when I watch Kate Bosworth, 1004 00:55:24.920 --> 00:55:28.239 I feel like I'm watching like a fan film, like 1005 00:55:28.280 --> 00:55:33.519 a Superman fan film, Yeah, with with actors who are 1006 00:55:33.519 --> 00:55:38.639 not professionals and they're trying God bless them. Interesting. Now, No, 1007 00:55:39.440 --> 00:55:42.079 why do you say that specifically? There's this one line 1008 00:55:42.079 --> 00:55:44.599 where he's like, did you love him? And she's like, 1009 00:55:44.679 --> 00:55:47.679 he's Superman, everybody loved him. I'm like that, I just 1010 00:55:47.719 --> 00:55:51.639 get fan film energy from that. Interesting. Yeah, And I 1011 00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:55.320 feel bad. I don't mean to pick on Kate Bosworth. 1012 00:55:56.079 --> 00:55:58.679 I think she was done dirty by the script and 1013 00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:03.760 the direction. Yeah, yeah, I can see that, you know, Like, like, 1014 00:56:03.880 --> 00:56:05.880 here's my point. This is this is what I'm saying. 1015 00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:14.159 I think she's speaking. This is exactly she's speaking with 1016 00:56:14.159 --> 00:56:20.800 within a level of like world weariness, of like experience 1017 00:56:21.280 --> 00:56:26.960 that bilies. You know, she's a kid here, you know. Sure. Yeah, 1018 00:56:27.039 --> 00:56:30.840 so it doesn't feel authentic to me. Yeah, so that's 1019 00:56:30.840 --> 00:56:33.800 why you age it up. You go with somebody in 1020 00:56:33.840 --> 00:56:38.079 their in their thirties, God forbid? Right, right, I mean 1021 00:56:38.079 --> 00:56:38.679 you know what I mean? 1022 00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:43.280 Yeah, Yeah, yeah, there's I mean this movie is kind 1023 00:56:43.280 --> 00:56:47.440 of about like lost love, longing, whatever. I just yeah, 1024 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:50.519 I'm not feeling it the way I think the movie 1025 00:56:51.840 --> 00:56:54.679 wanted me to. Yeah, and that that that's a good point, 1026 00:56:54.920 --> 00:56:56.880 Like I'm not seeing that on her face, and maybe 1027 00:56:56.920 --> 00:57:00.280 her face is too young to be able to express. 1028 00:57:00.199 --> 00:57:02.960 To be able to authentically embody it. Yeah. You know, 1029 00:57:04.920 --> 00:57:10.000 like you know, if if Chris Reeve had not had 1030 00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:14.239 his accident, you know, I mean, like how different things 1031 00:57:14.320 --> 00:57:17.039 might have been, right, But you can imagine a scenario 1032 00:57:17.360 --> 00:57:20.840 where say in two thousand and five or two thousand 1033 00:57:20.840 --> 00:57:25.440 and six, he he comes back and plays a slightly 1034 00:57:25.480 --> 00:57:30.840 older Superman. Yeah, and that would like going through these 1035 00:57:30.880 --> 00:57:37.079 beats would have been interesting with with somebody like say 1036 00:57:37.159 --> 00:57:39.119 Chris Reeve at that age. Do you know what I'm saying? 1037 00:57:39.239 --> 00:57:43.480 Absolutely yeah, because because it's like, well, we know him, 1038 00:57:43.519 --> 00:57:46.039 and we've been through this journey and and you know, 1039 00:57:46.119 --> 00:57:49.519 the the loneliness he feels or whatever. It's like, we 1040 00:57:49.760 --> 00:57:53.400 feel an empathetic connection. I don't. I think this movie 1041 00:57:53.480 --> 00:57:59.119 is essentially saying, oh, we want you to view the 1042 00:57:59.239 --> 00:58:01.880 story through the lens of all of that emotional connection. 1043 00:58:02.920 --> 00:58:06.920 But it doesn't resemble that movie in any meaningful way. 1044 00:58:07.199 --> 00:58:11.039 M hm. Right, Like when you think about it esthetically, 1045 00:58:11.599 --> 00:58:14.519 the only thing that connects this movie to those other ones? 1046 00:58:14.599 --> 00:58:18.280 Is the Fortress of Solitude? Yeah? Nothing else? Yeah, so 1047 00:58:18.320 --> 00:58:19.400 we have that and the music. 1048 00:58:21.000 --> 00:58:22.760 Yeah, I mean I think that goes back to one 1049 00:58:22.800 --> 00:58:24.599 of the first things I said, where this If this 1050 00:58:24.760 --> 00:58:28.760 was the second movie, yeah, in a series, I. 1051 00:58:28.840 --> 00:58:31.039 Would be able to buy into it more. 1052 00:58:30.880 --> 00:58:33.920 Because I need all of this that we're supposed to 1053 00:58:33.960 --> 00:58:35.960 be feeling as a result of something that need to 1054 00:58:35.960 --> 00:58:39.599 be established earlier for me. Yeah, you know, seeing any 1055 00:58:39.639 --> 00:58:43.559 sort of connection between Clark and Lewis, Yeah, yeah, I agree, 1056 00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:46.960 And then I would be able to clock or buy 1057 00:58:47.000 --> 00:58:48.920 into the sadness of this one because I already got 1058 00:58:48.920 --> 00:58:50.159 to experience that with them. 1059 00:58:50.119 --> 00:58:53.639 One hundred percent. Yeah. This is one of the few 1060 00:58:53.639 --> 00:58:56.000 moments I remember it also. Yeah, this is a big 1061 00:58:56.039 --> 00:58:58.719 trailer moment when when we get like the bullet and 1062 00:58:58.760 --> 00:58:59.159 the Eye. 1063 00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:03.199 Doesn't this look very Wachowski like very much so like 1064 00:59:03.559 --> 00:59:06.800 the Cops and there's sort of generic looking outfits. 1065 00:59:06.840 --> 00:59:09.760 They look very like Matrix, Like you give me your 1066 00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:12.559 jurism diction craft exactly. 1067 00:59:13.320 --> 00:59:16.119 Yes, I feel like this resembles that, and we're not 1068 00:59:16.199 --> 00:59:18.760 far off from I don't doubt that it was inspired 1069 00:59:18.760 --> 00:59:19.039 by that. 1070 00:59:19.079 --> 00:59:21.119 You know. The other thing to think about is that 1071 00:59:21.159 --> 00:59:26.039 this movie came out relatively close to nine to eleven. Yeah, 1072 00:59:26.119 --> 00:59:30.760 that's right, and one wonders I remember in fact, where 1073 00:59:31.480 --> 00:59:35.280 Brian Singer talked about he thought about having a shot 1074 00:59:35.360 --> 00:59:40.719 where Superman is at ground zero and thank goodness they 1075 00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:41.480 didn't put that in. 1076 00:59:41.960 --> 00:59:44.840 Yeah, sort of like, oh, if I hadn't left, maybe 1077 00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:47.960 I couldn't have stopped this. I mean, that's just gross 1078 00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:49.159 on so many levels. 1079 00:59:48.800 --> 00:59:51.679 So many levels exactly, a real life tragedy like that, 1080 00:59:51.679 --> 00:59:56.159 that's exactly it. But but one presumes that maybe that's 1081 00:59:56.159 --> 00:59:58.119 part of the reason you built, you bake in this 1082 00:59:58.239 --> 01:00:01.480 five year time that he's gone, because at least, you 1083 01:00:01.480 --> 01:00:04.960 know metatextually, you're able to be like, oh, like that's 1084 01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:07.719 why Superman didn't stop nine to eleven and his Earth 1085 01:00:07.760 --> 01:00:08.000 you know. 1086 01:00:08.079 --> 01:00:11.480 Sure, yeah, yeah, because we're it's it's closer, yeah, in 1087 01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:12.280 time in our mind. 1088 01:00:12.280 --> 01:00:14.280 Like it's weird to think about, right because because at 1089 01:00:14.280 --> 01:00:17.360 this point nine to eleven is it's just history, m m. 1090 01:00:18.119 --> 01:00:22.519 But at this time it's still informed so much of 1091 01:00:22.519 --> 01:00:24.880 our day to day discourse. You know, yeah, yeah, how 1092 01:00:25.280 --> 01:00:27.960 we plugged into two media and all, you know what. 1093 01:00:28.000 --> 01:00:30.559 I mean, absolutely, I remember there was a time Well, 1094 01:00:30.599 --> 01:00:32.039 this is the thing, right, I mean, this was a 1095 01:00:32.039 --> 01:00:32.800 big trailer moment. 1096 01:00:32.840 --> 01:00:37.320 It's the trailer shot, the bullet being shot. It's pretty 1097 01:00:37.320 --> 01:00:39.119 cool shot, although I would offer I don't know if 1098 01:00:39.159 --> 01:00:42.239 it's as impressive given that it comes right after him 1099 01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:46.119 taking like like five hundred bullets in his chest, you know, 1100 01:00:46.360 --> 01:00:50.039 from like a mini gun. Yeah, but it's it's a 1101 01:00:50.079 --> 01:00:52.840 it's a good trailer moment. That guy by the way, 1102 01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:55.880 you know, because they had plans to make a sequel, 1103 01:00:56.239 --> 01:00:59.000 and Brian Singer had said that the sequel would have 1104 01:00:59.039 --> 01:01:02.280 revealed that guy who who makes that shot, that's John Corbin, 1105 01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:06.480 who is the Superman villain Metallo. Mm hmm. This is 1106 01:01:06.480 --> 01:01:11.800 the sequel that of course not not to be. But yeah, anyway, 1107 01:01:11.840 --> 01:01:13.519 you were saying, sorry, well not just about the nine 1108 01:01:13.559 --> 01:01:14.039 to eleven thing. 1109 01:01:14.039 --> 01:01:17.239 I remember when it was closer in years to that, 1110 01:01:17.320 --> 01:01:19.719 I remember thinking, how would you make a time travel 1111 01:01:19.760 --> 01:01:24.079 movie now, because you just have it on your mind, like, well, 1112 01:01:24.159 --> 01:01:27.840 you've got to go warn everybody. But now I think 1113 01:01:27.960 --> 01:01:29.639 enough time has passed it that wouldn't be one of 1114 01:01:29.639 --> 01:01:32.599 the first thoughts in your mind, Like you said, it's 1115 01:01:32.599 --> 01:01:33.719 become a part of history. 1116 01:01:34.000 --> 01:01:36.679 Yeah, so weird right like time. 1117 01:01:42.119 --> 01:01:46.000 You know, this, this whole thing with Parker Posey and the. 1118 01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:50.920 These guys are the writers, by the way, right they 1119 01:01:50.920 --> 01:01:53.840 wrote X two also, so they just they went over. 1120 01:01:55.239 --> 01:01:57.519 They just jumped over with them. Damn they look very young, 1121 01:01:57.960 --> 01:02:02.320 they really so. 1122 01:02:04.360 --> 01:02:06.440 Yeah, Parker Porte, this whole thing, just the way that 1123 01:02:06.480 --> 01:02:08.239 it's shot and the way that it's cut. I was like, 1124 01:02:08.320 --> 01:02:12.000 this is very uh like kinetic, but also. 1125 01:02:13.320 --> 01:02:15.079 Unnerving in a good way. 1126 01:02:15.159 --> 01:02:16.800 Like I mean that as a compliment, like the way 1127 01:02:16.840 --> 01:02:18.960 it has some energy, Yeah, lots of energy, and it 1128 01:02:18.960 --> 01:02:21.800 makes me uncomfortable, like she really does feel you know, 1129 01:02:23.199 --> 01:02:25.079 or I complain a lot at least about like the 1130 01:02:25.119 --> 01:02:28.920 shaky camera to try to manipulate you into thinking something 1131 01:02:28.960 --> 01:02:31.239 crazy is happening. But this is just a really well 1132 01:02:31.280 --> 01:02:33.840 captured feeling of being out of control. 1133 01:02:35.760 --> 01:02:36.039 I don't know. 1134 01:02:36.079 --> 01:02:38.159 I was really impressed with it. And then it's great. 1135 01:02:38.719 --> 01:02:41.840 Then you have the way that they reveal that she's 1136 01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:44.320 being carried away right where you see looks like she's 1137 01:02:44.320 --> 01:02:46.760 about to hit something and then just slowly she lifts 1138 01:02:46.760 --> 01:02:47.960 into the air through the windshield. 1139 01:02:48.119 --> 01:02:52.559 It's great. See this is the type of sequence. Now 1140 01:02:52.599 --> 01:02:56.719 we get it that you know all of this was 1141 01:02:56.760 --> 01:03:00.639 a distraction, right, so that the lex can can lift 1142 01:03:00.679 --> 01:03:03.559 the kryptonite. I watched this though, and I'm like, why 1143 01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:09.480 not do it in the daytime? Right, Like most of 1144 01:03:09.519 --> 01:03:15.280 this movie does not exist in daytime. It feels like, hmm, 1145 01:03:15.440 --> 01:03:20.480 like I just, I just I feel like it's an 1146 01:03:20.480 --> 01:03:23.119 odd choice, you know, it's I don't know, it does 1147 01:03:23.239 --> 01:03:25.320 I guess it doesn't matter that much. But to me 1148 01:03:26.559 --> 01:03:28.679 this look at that cell phone by the way, I know, 1149 01:03:28.920 --> 01:03:34.960 I know, it just adds to this this muddy visual scheme. 1150 01:03:35.039 --> 01:03:38.079 You know, that's a really interesting point. 1151 01:03:38.159 --> 01:03:40.920 I mean, yeah, it might feel more supermanesque seeing him 1152 01:03:40.920 --> 01:03:44.719 do these fantastic things under a bright blue sky, but 1153 01:03:44.800 --> 01:03:46.920 this feels kind of singery, doesn't it. I mean, like 1154 01:03:46.960 --> 01:03:49.480 you think of X Men, I think of kind of 1155 01:03:49.519 --> 01:03:53.320 like I don't know, a lot of nightscapes and that 1156 01:03:53.400 --> 01:03:54.440 kind of cinematography. 1157 01:03:55.840 --> 01:03:58.960 Yeah, I'm well, that's really what this movie drives home, 1158 01:03:59.199 --> 01:04:03.519 is that not every director is suited to every subject 1159 01:04:03.519 --> 01:04:07.519 matter clearly. Yeah, and again, the thinging at the time, 1160 01:04:07.599 --> 01:04:09.360 oh well, he did this comic book thing. He'll be 1161 01:04:09.360 --> 01:04:12.280 great with that comic book thing. And oddly enough, you know, 1162 01:04:12.360 --> 01:04:15.360 and that was the same thing that informed Tim Burton 1163 01:04:15.400 --> 01:04:17.960 being hired to do the Superman movie in the mid 1164 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.000 to late nineties. And I remember at the time, I 1165 01:04:21.119 --> 01:04:25.480 was like, I don't I'm not sure about that. Yeah. Yeah, 1166 01:04:25.559 --> 01:04:29.000 And that's worth recognizing. I mean, this movie arrived after 1167 01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:36.360 you know, almost fifteen years of progress of trying to 1168 01:04:36.360 --> 01:04:42.599 get a movie made. I mean, look, it's worth remembering 1169 01:04:42.760 --> 01:04:47.000 as late as ninety two, Christopher Reeve was at least 1170 01:04:47.400 --> 01:04:50.039 considering coming back. Wow. 1171 01:04:50.119 --> 01:04:52.280 And so the last one before that was Night or 1172 01:04:52.320 --> 01:04:52.880 eighty seven. 1173 01:04:53.599 --> 01:04:58.440 Yeah. Eight. So the soul Kinds owned the Superman rights. 1174 01:04:59.119 --> 01:05:05.320 They licensed those rights to Golan Globus. They made Superman four, 1175 01:05:05.400 --> 01:05:10.159 which was a disaster, and then after that the rights 1176 01:05:10.199 --> 01:05:12.559 ended up coming back to the sal Kinds. And and 1177 01:05:12.679 --> 01:05:16.760 I remember in the early nineties they were planning to 1178 01:05:16.760 --> 01:05:18.840 make it was going to be called Superman the New Movie. 1179 01:05:20.199 --> 01:05:23.400 Really literally, yeah, super So like we had Superman the Movie, 1180 01:05:23.440 --> 01:05:26.239 this is going to be Superman the New Movie and 1181 01:05:26.639 --> 01:05:30.039 instead of Superman five. And their plan was to basically 1182 01:05:31.360 --> 01:05:36.119 get rid of everybody but bring back Christopher Reeve. And 1183 01:05:36.719 --> 01:05:38.880 Carrie Bates was a combook writer. He had written a 1184 01:05:38.880 --> 01:05:41.079 script Brainiac was going to be the villain and and 1185 01:05:41.239 --> 01:05:44.079 Christopher Reeve had talked about it. He said, you know, 1186 01:05:44.519 --> 01:05:48.119 it's something I'm considering. You know, it's you really, if 1187 01:05:48.440 --> 01:05:50.079 you're going to come back, it has to be really 1188 01:05:50.079 --> 01:05:52.519 worth it. After the disappointment of the last one, so 1189 01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:56.440 it was he had not ruled it out. And then 1190 01:05:56.519 --> 01:05:58.800 you know, shortly after that, obviously he had his accident. 1191 01:05:58.920 --> 01:06:04.000 But in the interim, Warner Brothers had reacquired the Superman rights. Okay, 1192 01:06:04.400 --> 01:06:06.519 that's why. So a couple of things. There was the 1193 01:06:06.559 --> 01:06:09.480 super Boy television series that was produced by the sal Kinds, 1194 01:06:10.559 --> 01:06:15.400 and Warner Brothers had by then reacquired the rights, and 1195 01:06:15.440 --> 01:06:18.639 they were like, well, this show needs to end because 1196 01:06:18.679 --> 01:06:21.960 they it wasn't produced by them, and that's what led 1197 01:06:21.960 --> 01:06:24.039 to Loewis and Clark. But but even then they were 1198 01:06:24.039 --> 01:06:26.960 in the process of developing the Superman you know, the 1199 01:06:27.000 --> 01:06:29.800 super what what I think it started as Superman Lives. 1200 01:06:31.639 --> 01:06:33.599 It was adapted from the Death of Superman thing, and 1201 01:06:33.639 --> 01:06:36.719 that's what what Tim Burton eventually got involved in. Okay, 1202 01:06:38.400 --> 01:06:42.079 Christopher Reeves accident was in five, so by that time 1203 01:06:42.159 --> 01:06:46.440 I think it was no longer on the table for 1204 01:06:46.519 --> 01:06:51.719 him to come back, right wow, five, Yeah, ninety Did 1205 01:06:51.760 --> 01:06:55.639 I say five? Sorry, ninety five? I was young ninety 1206 01:06:55.639 --> 01:06:59.519 five to when did heh? Four? He died? I see? 1207 01:06:59.599 --> 01:07:06.119 So he lived with that condition for nine years. Yeah, yeah, 1208 01:07:06.159 --> 01:07:08.559 it's crazy. You know what was that documentary? We should 1209 01:07:08.599 --> 01:07:12.840 recommend that? Yeah? Super Man super Slash Slash Yeah yeah, 1210 01:07:12.880 --> 01:07:16.199 did you as that? Yeah? Yeah? Oh fantastic, Yeah, very good. 1211 01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:22.079 By the way, these pictures that Perry's upset about where 1212 01:07:22.079 --> 01:07:23.480 he's like, you know, a boy with a cell phone 1213 01:07:23.519 --> 01:07:25.119 took these pictures and they're better than the ones you 1214 01:07:25.119 --> 01:07:28.199 were taking, Jimmy. And there are these, like HD beautiful 1215 01:07:28.199 --> 01:07:30.800 photographs that this kid took with like a phone with 1216 01:07:30.840 --> 01:07:31.920 like a potato. 1217 01:07:31.519 --> 01:07:38.440 Camera, you know, like I looked it up out of curiosity. 1218 01:07:38.519 --> 01:07:40.440 So if this was June two thousand and six when 1219 01:07:40.440 --> 01:07:42.559 this came out, the iPhone came out in June two 1220 01:07:42.599 --> 01:07:44.960 thousand and seven, Okay, so it's pretty close. 1221 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:54.320 Wow. Yeah, the the Tim Burton film, I don't know 1222 01:07:54.320 --> 01:07:57.280 if you remember like that that fell apart fairly late 1223 01:07:57.360 --> 01:07:58.199 in the process. 1224 01:07:58.480 --> 01:08:01.320 It was like, yeah, pretty close to shooting, wasn't it. 1225 01:08:01.320 --> 01:08:08.079 It was? Yeah, And the plan had been like Michael 1226 01:08:08.159 --> 01:08:10.679 Keaton was going to cameo as Batman, Like, there's all 1227 01:08:10.719 --> 01:08:13.280 this a lot of ambitions, and I think we've talked 1228 01:08:13.280 --> 01:08:17.439 about this before. I at this point, with with twenty 1229 01:08:17.920 --> 01:08:20.439 you know, almost thirty years of hindsight, I'm like, I 1230 01:08:20.479 --> 01:08:22.279 kind of wish that movie existed, just that I could 1231 01:08:22.279 --> 01:08:23.640 see it, just so that I could see it. 1232 01:08:24.039 --> 01:08:27.079 I know, same, same, I mean, would it have been 1233 01:08:27.159 --> 01:08:27.800 the right thing? 1234 01:08:27.960 --> 01:08:31.680 Like who knows? But at the time, I remember for 1235 01:08:31.800 --> 01:08:34.039 sure at the time being like, oh please God, this 1236 01:08:34.079 --> 01:08:38.279 sounds awful. Hey sure, yeah, yeah, Nicholas Cage just Superman't 1237 01:08:38.319 --> 01:08:41.039 didn't sound like a great idea to me, right, But 1238 01:08:41.199 --> 01:08:43.560 even back then, you know, and before Burton got involved, 1239 01:08:43.560 --> 01:08:46.840 as you mentioned, Kevin Smith had written a script and 1240 01:08:46.920 --> 01:08:51.800 I remember him talking. He John Peters was the producer, 1241 01:08:51.800 --> 01:08:54.960 who was a producer this too, by the way, was like, oh, 1242 01:08:54.960 --> 01:08:57.119 we gotta like we don't want I'm wearing the same 1243 01:08:57.119 --> 01:08:59.880 old costume. It's got to look like nineties style. And 1244 01:09:00.359 --> 01:09:02.319 Kevin Smith's like, I don't know what does that mean? 1245 01:09:02.399 --> 01:09:04.520 You know, so literally in the script it's like first 1246 01:09:04.560 --> 01:09:17.239 appearance of Superman. It's like Superman appears nineties style. Man's Yeah, 1247 01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:20.279 but that fell apart in the late nineties and then 1248 01:09:20.560 --> 01:09:25.000 and then they they the next iteration was called Superman 1249 01:09:25.119 --> 01:09:28.760 flyby Yeah. Jj Abrams, right, jj Abrams were with the 1250 01:09:28.800 --> 01:09:30.800 script for Originally it was going to be Brett Ratner, 1251 01:09:32.680 --> 01:09:34.840 so we're just it's just all kinds of sex predators, 1252 01:09:36.119 --> 01:09:39.520 that's right. Yeah, right, Brett Ratner was going to direct that, 1253 01:09:39.840 --> 01:09:44.640 and and then he dropped out, and that was kind 1254 01:09:44.640 --> 01:09:47.960 of a that story was a little out there, right, Yeah. 1255 01:09:48.079 --> 01:09:50.760 I think the biggest change in that is that Krypton 1256 01:09:50.840 --> 01:09:54.520 didn't explode. Right, It's just like in a there's a 1257 01:09:54.560 --> 01:10:00.399 civil war, kelll is like a Kryptonian prince and that 1258 01:10:00.520 --> 01:10:01.880 sounds terrible to me. 1259 01:10:03.680 --> 01:10:06.600 Right, It's only he gets sent to Earth and then 1260 01:10:06.800 --> 01:10:10.079 one of the villains from his planet comes over something 1261 01:10:10.079 --> 01:10:10.319 like that. 1262 01:10:10.399 --> 01:10:15.199 Yeah, and like Lex Luthor is a Kryptonian in that script. 1263 01:10:15.399 --> 01:10:17.000 It's just one of those things where everybody feels like 1264 01:10:17.039 --> 01:10:21.159 they need to like subvert and it's like sometimes, no, 1265 01:10:21.239 --> 01:10:23.000 we want to see that, we're here for the thing. 1266 01:10:23.239 --> 01:10:25.079 Just give us the thing. Yeah, just give us the thing. 1267 01:10:25.840 --> 01:10:28.039 And that one fell apart, by the way, because Harry 1268 01:10:28.119 --> 01:10:31.119 Knowles of all people just tore it to shreds. Really. 1269 01:10:31.239 --> 01:10:35.239 Oh and and back when that guy had an inordinate 1270 01:10:35.319 --> 01:10:38.439 amount of sway in Hollywood. Yeah, I mean that wasn't era, 1271 01:10:39.079 --> 01:10:42.680 it was yeah, you know, but but Rattner laughed and 1272 01:10:42.720 --> 01:10:45.000 then make G was gonna direct, it was gonna be that. 1273 01:10:46.640 --> 01:10:48.319 All these names. 1274 01:10:47.720 --> 01:10:53.640 It's such a moment, such a moment. This is like, really, 1275 01:10:54.520 --> 01:10:57.239 I think I think make G wanted or no, no, 1276 01:10:57.279 --> 01:11:00.760 Brett Rattner wanted Matt Boehmer to play Superman. I can 1277 01:11:00.800 --> 01:11:03.239 see that. Yeah, I can totally see that. I think 1278 01:11:03.359 --> 01:11:07.439 McGee wanted Henry Cavell. Wow, yeah, because I'm pretty sure 1279 01:11:07.439 --> 01:11:13.319 Cavell auditioned for that. Yeah, he got his turn in 1280 01:11:13.319 --> 01:11:13.960 the barrel though. 1281 01:11:14.760 --> 01:11:18.960 Yeah, I'm looking at some of the under Brett Ratner's moment. 1282 01:11:19.000 --> 01:11:21.439 There's people they wanted to cast, Josh Hart and Josh 1283 01:11:21.439 --> 01:11:25.319 Harten Walker, Brendan Fraser, Ashton Kutcher. Like this is such 1284 01:11:25.840 --> 01:11:30.880 a time capsule, isn't it. It really is? Yeah, Ashton Kutcher, 1285 01:11:30.920 --> 01:11:33.640 Oh my gosh. Yeah, can you imagine. Yeah, I mean 1286 01:11:34.479 --> 01:11:36.119 I don't know if you remember, but in the lead 1287 01:11:36.199 --> 01:11:39.159 up to Batman Begins, they were going to do Batman 1288 01:11:39.279 --> 01:11:42.479 Versus Superman. Yeah, I have that script. I've never read it, though, 1289 01:11:42.880 --> 01:11:47.520 how funny. Yeah, like Andrew Kevin Walker I think wrote it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 1290 01:11:47.560 --> 01:11:51.079 and that one. I think they were talking about Josh 1291 01:11:51.079 --> 01:11:53.800 Hartnett playing Superman. I think Christian Bale even is going 1292 01:11:53.840 --> 01:11:58.960 to be Batman. Wow? Really? Or like was linked to it? Yeah, 1293 01:11:59.119 --> 01:12:03.119 Wolfgang Peterson and was going to direct that, right, but 1294 01:12:03.199 --> 01:12:08.039 he did Troy instead. Okay, it's weird how these things happen, right, 1295 01:12:08.039 --> 01:12:09.840 certain things have to happen the way they happen. 1296 01:12:10.960 --> 01:12:13.079 I was going to bring that up because you mentioned 1297 01:12:13.079 --> 01:12:15.199 that a lot with if we don't do Batman and 1298 01:12:15.319 --> 01:12:18.720 Robin Yep and the failure of that and the rethink 1299 01:12:18.760 --> 01:12:19.960 that had to happen at Warner Brothers. 1300 01:12:20.000 --> 01:12:21.720 We don't get Batman begins, That's right. 1301 01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:23.359 So it makes me wonder if we had gotten that 1302 01:12:23.399 --> 01:12:28.520 Tim Burton Superman movie, maybe it would have worked in 1303 01:12:28.640 --> 01:12:31.520 some interesting way. Maybe it wouldn't have Where would it 1304 01:12:31.680 --> 01:12:32.960 have directed us? 1305 01:12:33.199 --> 01:12:38.399 Next? Right? I think that's sort of that. That sums 1306 01:12:38.479 --> 01:12:41.560 up the dilemma that Warner Brothers has had with Superman, 1307 01:12:42.359 --> 01:12:45.920 much more so than with Batman, because I think Batman, 1308 01:12:47.560 --> 01:12:52.880 for whatever reason, is much more of an evergreen character. Yeah, 1309 01:12:53.079 --> 01:12:55.840 I think Superman is an evergreen also but I feel 1310 01:12:55.920 --> 01:13:02.399 like there's just something about having to continually remind people 1311 01:13:02.399 --> 01:13:07.880 that Superman is relevant. Yeah he gets overthought, yes, yeah, right, 1312 01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:09.279 and and. 1313 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:10.399 It's beautiful, by the way, I just want to call 1314 01:13:10.399 --> 01:13:12.239 that out, that visual of him watching her go up 1315 01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:12.880 the elevator. 1316 01:13:13.199 --> 01:13:17.000 Yeah, him being a creepy stalker weirdo. Well, I don't 1317 01:13:17.039 --> 01:13:18.640 know at this moment, I thought it was kind of sweet. 1318 01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:24.159 The way it's visualized is effective. Yeah yeah, yeah, see 1319 01:13:24.159 --> 01:13:25.920 even this right here where she's smoking. I don't know, 1320 01:13:25.920 --> 01:13:28.640 there's just something about it just feels like a kid 1321 01:13:29.119 --> 01:13:33.319 in a school project. Yeah yeah, yeah. I mean I 1322 01:13:33.359 --> 01:13:35.319 don't know if that makes sense, but right like. 1323 01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:43.000 No, I do, I do understand, you know, yeah, you 1324 01:13:43.039 --> 01:13:45.319 know I kind of wonder No, sorry, get back to 1325 01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:45.840 what you were saying. 1326 01:13:46.239 --> 01:13:49.000 Yeah, no, just just just a button that thought I 1327 01:13:49.439 --> 01:13:55.920 think they with with Batman. You know, it's just easier 1328 01:13:56.039 --> 01:14:00.279 to be like, here's here's another Batman mystery, and I 1329 01:14:00.319 --> 01:14:02.199 just kind of wish they would do that with Superman. 1330 01:14:04.279 --> 01:14:06.800 I think that's what James Gunn is hoping to do, 1331 01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:09.520 where it's just oh, here's another Superman. It's just you know, 1332 01:14:09.880 --> 01:14:14.119 I think that there is a they do try too 1333 01:14:14.119 --> 01:14:15.800 hard sometimes, Yeah. 1334 01:14:15.600 --> 01:14:18.680 And maybe with Batman also, there's kind of a general 1335 01:14:18.800 --> 01:14:22.640 tone you can anticipate, and maybe the style will be 1336 01:14:22.640 --> 01:14:24.800 tweaked a little bit, but the tone you kind of 1337 01:14:24.840 --> 01:14:27.239 know what you're walking into with a Batman movie. It 1338 01:14:27.359 --> 01:14:30.439 with Superman, everybody has an opinion. 1339 01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:32.600 I think to just just to push back on that 1340 01:14:32.640 --> 01:14:36.800 a little bit. I think with Batman people are willing to. 1341 01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:43.399 It's more elastic, there's more ability to en gumpass more tones. Sure, right, 1342 01:14:43.479 --> 01:14:45.760 So in other words, you can go from Batman forever, 1343 01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:49.199 oh ten years later Batman begins and still have it 1344 01:14:49.199 --> 01:14:55.399 be Batman. H Right. I think with Superman, if you 1345 01:14:55.520 --> 01:14:58.039 color too far outside the lines this way or that, 1346 01:14:58.800 --> 01:15:02.760 the audience will reflect push back. Yeah, And to some extent, 1347 01:15:02.800 --> 01:15:04.520 that's what we saw in the aftermath of Man of 1348 01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:10.000 Steel right, where there was some folks who just would 1349 01:15:10.000 --> 01:15:15.960 not accept that depiction of Superman. I didn't have problem 1350 01:15:15.960 --> 01:15:17.760 with it. I know you didn't know. I really liked 1351 01:15:17.760 --> 01:15:21.239 that movie, you know, but look, let's be real. If 1352 01:15:21.560 --> 01:15:24.479 if everything was peaches and sunshine, we'd be talking about 1353 01:15:24.479 --> 01:15:27.720 Man of Steel five right now, you know, instead of 1354 01:15:27.760 --> 01:15:30.640 the umpteenth iteration. I wish we had gotten at least 1355 01:15:30.640 --> 01:15:32.319 one more. You're not kidding. 1356 01:15:32.680 --> 01:15:36.279 Yeah see, but even this, I mean this, I know 1357 01:15:36.319 --> 01:15:39.920 we're not huge fans of this sort of muddy look. 1358 01:15:41.840 --> 01:15:44.279 I almost blame the cameras more than I personally. 1359 01:15:45.079 --> 01:15:48.800 I think you're a palette. But I would be okay. 1360 01:15:48.560 --> 01:15:52.600 With another story in this take tone, whatever you want 1361 01:15:52.600 --> 01:15:55.680 to call it. I just don't like the story, Like, 1362 01:15:55.720 --> 01:15:58.800 I don't like the characterizations. That's my problem. If there 1363 01:15:58.800 --> 01:16:01.520 had been a better story in this aesthetic. 1364 01:16:01.439 --> 01:16:05.239 I'd be okay with it. Right. No, I'm with you. 1365 01:16:06.800 --> 01:16:11.960 Just this sort of romantic I don't know, visual style 1366 01:16:12.119 --> 01:16:14.680 or something that's kind of interesting from like a movie 1367 01:16:14.760 --> 01:16:17.680 or two. But I just yeah, like you you've been doing. 1368 01:16:17.680 --> 01:16:20.199 This right here real quick. She's like, oh, Clark said 1369 01:16:20.239 --> 01:16:22.399 da da da, And he's like Clark, who's that? I'm like, 1370 01:16:22.920 --> 01:16:26.600 what are you talking about? Like I know I thought 1371 01:16:26.600 --> 01:16:28.439 that too, And she's like, Oh, he's just some guy 1372 01:16:28.479 --> 01:16:32.560 I work with. Yeah, it's just irks me, you know. 1373 01:16:32.920 --> 01:16:38.000 Yeah, Well that's interesting because then it maybe makes you 1374 01:16:38.199 --> 01:16:40.720 think of sometimes you read about a filmmaker that comes 1375 01:16:40.760 --> 01:16:43.399 in that thinks or says, well, I wasn't really a 1376 01:16:43.399 --> 01:16:45.279 fan of material, so I was like, well, can. 1377 01:16:45.239 --> 01:16:47.520 I bring to this? Right? 1378 01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:49.479 But you're saying that he came in as a big 1379 01:16:49.479 --> 01:16:51.600 fan of Superman, so it's interesting how. 1380 01:16:52.840 --> 01:16:58.560 Yeah, and my my question is a fan of what? Yeah? Right? Yeah, 1381 01:16:58.920 --> 01:17:03.640 Like what was it that supposedly spoke to you? Because again, 1382 01:17:03.760 --> 01:17:05.319 just just to go back to what I was saying before, 1383 01:17:06.479 --> 01:17:10.000 if you watch Batman begins and Chris Nolan tells you, hey, 1384 01:17:10.039 --> 01:17:11.800 you know, I'm a big fan of Donner Superman, I'd 1385 01:17:11.800 --> 01:17:14.600 be like, oh, right on, I see it, right, I don't. 1386 01:17:14.600 --> 01:17:18.319 I don't see it here? Yeah, I see the most 1387 01:17:18.359 --> 01:17:29.079 superficial elements, right right. I think I think fundamentally what 1388 01:17:29.079 --> 01:17:31.600 what I don't get a sense of in this film 1389 01:17:31.760 --> 01:17:40.680 is Okay, he he's back and he's helping, but he 1390 01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:45.520 enjoys helping people. Mm hmm. Here it's like a burden. Hmmm. 1391 01:17:46.319 --> 01:17:49.680 He never smiles. That's the other thing, right, people remember 1392 01:17:49.680 --> 01:17:51.920 a Man of Steel? Oh why doesn't he smile? I'm like, 1393 01:17:52.000 --> 01:17:55.159 bro does not smile in this movie except for a 1394 01:17:55.199 --> 01:17:57.800 few bits here and there, you know, but literally, you know, 1395 01:17:57.880 --> 01:17:59.560 there's a bit he's like, you say the world doesn't 1396 01:17:59.600 --> 01:18:02.840 need to say it. And every minute I hear people 1397 01:18:02.960 --> 01:18:05.600 calling up for one or whatever. Right, I'm like, oh 1398 01:18:05.640 --> 01:18:08.600 my god, Like, you know, it's funny. 1399 01:18:08.600 --> 01:18:12.880 I did that bumped me also because I don't I 1400 01:18:12.960 --> 01:18:15.279 understand what he's saying. But yeah, maybe it's the delivery 1401 01:18:15.359 --> 01:18:17.920 or something. It doesn't feel very. 1402 01:18:17.800 --> 01:18:22.439 Uh yeah, well it makes it seem like a burden. Yeah, exactly. 1403 01:18:22.680 --> 01:18:26.800 And I think I think, and maybe this is just me. Look, 1404 01:18:27.039 --> 01:18:29.760 I'm bringing my own biases, but you know, I've got 1405 01:18:29.760 --> 01:18:32.640 several decades of Superman fandom, and I think I think 1406 01:18:33.039 --> 01:18:38.960 the most aspirational aspect of Superman is that he enjoys 1407 01:18:39.800 --> 01:18:44.640 helping people. He's like, I can do this, and that's 1408 01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:48.800 what I can do is help, right, you know. Uh, 1409 01:18:49.039 --> 01:18:53.279 you know, Christopher Reeve said this, right, what makes him 1410 01:18:53.600 --> 01:18:55.960 a hero is that he has all this power, but 1411 01:18:56.119 --> 01:19:01.119 he has the decency to use it the right way, right, 1412 01:19:01.239 --> 01:19:04.520 And and so this sense of like, ah, here I 1413 01:19:04.600 --> 01:19:07.239 go helping, you know, oh, let me rescue this woman. 1414 01:19:07.399 --> 01:19:10.199 Like dude, it's like, don't do us any favors Man, 1415 01:19:10.920 --> 01:19:13.800 right right? Yeah. 1416 01:19:13.920 --> 01:19:16.119 Yeah, there's just even watching these scenes, which by the way, 1417 01:19:16.159 --> 01:19:16.920 are beautiful. 1418 01:19:17.199 --> 01:19:19.079 Yeah, I think this is really beautiful. 1419 01:19:18.760 --> 01:19:23.760 Him them, Superman and lois flying together here over the city. 1420 01:19:23.880 --> 01:19:25.720 Although I did wonder why you took that detour to 1421 01:19:25.760 --> 01:19:28.720 her house. I was like, he like left the city 1422 01:19:28.920 --> 01:19:30.039 to swing by her house and. 1423 01:19:30.039 --> 01:19:33.840 She's just to specifically like, hey, that's where you live. 1424 01:19:34.560 --> 01:19:35.960 But then they go back. I don't know, it just 1425 01:19:36.000 --> 01:19:36.600 felt weird to me. 1426 01:19:36.720 --> 01:19:38.520 That's where you live with the man that you're not 1427 01:19:38.640 --> 01:19:41.439 with right now, right right. 1428 01:19:42.399 --> 01:19:44.560 But yeah, there's just a real wistfulness. I mean, just 1429 01:19:44.560 --> 01:19:46.640 looking at this with the sound off, it's just making me, 1430 01:19:47.319 --> 01:19:49.439 I don't know, I want to feel a little. You said, 1431 01:19:49.479 --> 01:19:51.520 it's humorless and there's. 1432 01:19:51.439 --> 01:19:54.439 Yeah, you know, no jubilance, and there's no joy and 1433 01:19:54.439 --> 01:19:58.199 there's no but it is beautiful. I mean this, this 1434 01:19:58.239 --> 01:20:06.479 is beautiful. Yeah. Yeah, I think that you need to 1435 01:20:06.600 --> 01:20:12.840 balance the quiet moments with some big action beats, and 1436 01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:18.359 this movie is conspicuously devoid of big action beats. Yeah. 1437 01:20:18.439 --> 01:20:20.760 And this is this is where I say, like Man 1438 01:20:20.760 --> 01:20:24.239 of Steel, like I, in my opinion, overcorrected a little 1439 01:20:24.239 --> 01:20:27.319 too far in the other direction where you just have 1440 01:20:27.560 --> 01:20:34.239 super destructo you know, nine to eleven times three, right, 1441 01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:37.279 and it's like, can we just can we find a 1442 01:20:37.359 --> 01:20:38.880 happy medium here? Please? 1443 01:20:39.279 --> 01:20:41.880 I know, I remember that's my one note, like I 1444 01:20:41.880 --> 01:20:43.960 would love to watch a fan cut version of that 1445 01:20:44.039 --> 01:20:47.279 movie that scales back a bit in the third act, 1446 01:20:47.359 --> 01:20:48.159 because it goes on like. 1447 01:20:48.119 --> 01:20:52.039 A little too long. Yeah. My resturrection from our conversation 1448 01:20:52.479 --> 01:20:56.399 when we watched it is like, you know, maybe trim 1449 01:20:56.479 --> 01:21:02.119 the Smallville action scene a little sooner and then and 1450 01:21:02.119 --> 01:21:04.800 and he had dialed by down by like ten percent, 1451 01:21:05.039 --> 01:21:09.840 you know, act three, you know, And I think they're 1452 01:21:09.880 --> 01:21:11.760 still trying to lick that, you know. I think I 1453 01:21:11.760 --> 01:21:16.720 think even even the new film, without getting into it, 1454 01:21:16.960 --> 01:21:20.399 I think gets a little a little too much for 1455 01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:25.880 me personally, you know. Interesting, I think that when we 1456 01:21:25.920 --> 01:21:30.279 think about it, the third act of Superman seventy eight 1457 01:21:30.960 --> 01:21:36.039 is the San Andreas fault, which was fairly like that. 1458 01:21:36.239 --> 01:21:42.720 That was large scale back then, right, but it feels sedate, 1459 01:21:43.000 --> 01:21:45.640 you know, compared to what we can do now. And yet, 1460 01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:47.840 in my opinion, when you watch that movie, you still 1461 01:21:47.880 --> 01:21:49.720 feel it all this stuff where he's going from this 1462 01:21:49.760 --> 01:21:53.279 place is trying to you know, fix this that, you know, 1463 01:21:53.520 --> 01:21:56.199 the rescue people from the dam and fix the fault, 1464 01:21:56.199 --> 01:22:00.560 and like all of that tracks and I think that's 1465 01:22:00.880 --> 01:22:06.159 like the third act of this movie. It's just nonsense 1466 01:22:06.239 --> 01:22:10.000 to me. You know, yeah, there are no stakes, and 1467 01:22:10.119 --> 01:22:14.239 you know it's a weird one. 1468 01:22:14.560 --> 01:22:20.520 Yeah, yeah, yeah, And it's just the moment we just 1469 01:22:20.520 --> 01:22:23.920 saw where she's come back from flying with Superman and 1470 01:22:23.960 --> 01:22:26.960 then her hair's all must up and she's confronting James 1471 01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:29.439 Marsin's character and it, you know, it kind of has 1472 01:22:29.479 --> 01:22:32.439 like a sexual sort of allusion to it. 1473 01:22:32.439 --> 01:22:33.560 It's just I don't know. 1474 01:22:33.640 --> 01:22:36.039 I don't want to have to wrestle with these feelings 1475 01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:38.640 watching this movie and sort of feeling bad for the 1476 01:22:38.640 --> 01:22:39.760 Martian character. 1477 01:22:39.880 --> 01:22:42.960 And that's the thing. I'm trying to figure out, what 1478 01:22:43.000 --> 01:22:47.000 does the movie want me to feel? Right, Because on 1479 01:22:47.039 --> 01:22:51.039 the one hand, you say, well, we like Lois, so 1480 01:22:51.119 --> 01:22:53.760 of course we'd want her to be with a good guy. Yeah, 1481 01:22:53.840 --> 01:22:56.119 so you don't want to paint him as being just 1482 01:22:56.159 --> 01:22:57.239 a total jerk, you know. 1483 01:23:00.680 --> 01:23:04.800 But I'm not getting any sense of what they had before, right, 1484 01:23:04.880 --> 01:23:08.159 So I'm not sensing like, oh, this feels right with 1485 01:23:08.199 --> 01:23:16.680 them back together. Yes, it's missing for me, Yeah, odd 1486 01:23:16.880 --> 01:23:24.720 choices yeah yeah. Uh oh, someone's been in my bed. 1487 01:23:26.880 --> 01:23:31.439 Somebody's been sleeping in my bed and they're still here. Yeah. 1488 01:23:31.600 --> 01:23:34.039 I'm like, Superman, just put a lock on your ship. Man, 1489 01:23:35.680 --> 01:23:39.039 it feels like, yeah, this should be a better security system. 1490 01:23:39.880 --> 01:23:42.960 This is a recurring problem because of course in Superman two, 1491 01:23:43.960 --> 01:23:48.039 Lex gets into the fortress. Yep. I think the krypton 1492 01:23:48.239 --> 01:23:52.319 Os isn't great where Joe L's like hey, my son, 1493 01:23:53.680 --> 01:23:54.560 and Lex is like. 1494 01:23:54.800 --> 01:23:58.880 Hey, dad, right, tell me everything. 1495 01:23:58.640 --> 01:24:04.960 Give me all your passwords exactly. That's really funny. 1496 01:24:06.560 --> 01:24:09.520 Wait, now something I read tell me if this is true. 1497 01:24:10.119 --> 01:24:13.600 Brandon Routh auditioned for Smallville. 1498 01:24:16.560 --> 01:24:18.800 That sounds familiar, That sounds right. That's interesting. 1499 01:24:18.880 --> 01:24:21.319 It's funny how it's just some people have the Superman look. 1500 01:24:21.640 --> 01:24:24.600 So even Henry Cavell being in conversation this early, you know, 1501 01:24:24.640 --> 01:24:26.000 and it's like they're just always going to be on 1502 01:24:26.039 --> 01:24:28.760 the short list. I guess it's a little bit like Bond, right, 1503 01:24:28.880 --> 01:24:32.439 and then yeah, like you know, you know, if if 1504 01:24:32.479 --> 01:24:35.439 you're a male between this age and this age, and 1505 01:24:35.479 --> 01:24:38.159 you have certain certain characteristics. 1506 01:24:37.520 --> 01:24:41.119 You'll probably be on that list, you know. Yeah, I mean, 1507 01:24:41.159 --> 01:24:44.880 certainly Henry Cavell, I've said it before. I mean that 1508 01:24:45.039 --> 01:24:49.960 man was chiseled from granite to play Superman. Yeah, he 1509 01:24:50.119 --> 01:24:52.760 was put on this earth to play Superman at least once. 1510 01:24:53.039 --> 01:24:56.560 You know, I'm glad he got that chance. Yeah, yeah, same, 1511 01:24:58.439 --> 01:24:59.840 And to your point, I wish he'd gotten a few 1512 01:24:59.880 --> 01:25:02.760 more chances. Yeah. Same. So Lowis is just like a 1513 01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:06.800 bad parent, right, this is crazy. Yeah. She's like, hey, 1514 01:25:06.840 --> 01:25:11.319 I'm going to wander onto this strange boat. Come on, son, Yeah, 1515 01:25:11.359 --> 01:25:15.279 in pursuit of something that's kind of hinky. But like, yeah, 1516 01:25:15.279 --> 01:25:17.000 I have my son, I'll just bring him along, I do. 1517 01:25:17.119 --> 01:25:19.079 This is kind of funny. The kid is like, are 1518 01:25:19.079 --> 01:25:20.439 we trespassing? She doesn't? 1519 01:25:20.439 --> 01:25:26.319 She say like no, well yes, but I mean yeah, 1520 01:25:26.960 --> 01:25:31.600 I would never do this by myself. Yeah, but this 1521 01:25:31.720 --> 01:25:34.319 is kind of a good moment there though, when she's 1522 01:25:34.359 --> 01:25:36.880 surprised both of them, her ends Lex are surprised to 1523 01:25:36.880 --> 01:25:39.800 see one another. Well, I love that the discovery of 1524 01:25:39.880 --> 01:25:42.520 the wigs is the like to me, it's like it's 1525 01:25:42.560 --> 01:25:45.880 like in Star Trek two, Checkov sees the Botany Bay 1526 01:25:46.680 --> 01:25:47.319 Botany Bay. 1527 01:25:47.479 --> 01:25:49.159 We have to get out of here, you know, right, 1528 01:25:49.439 --> 01:25:54.600 and it's that equivalent. There's just like wigs, wigs like 1529 01:25:54.680 --> 01:25:58.279 other people wear wigs. Right, right, let's talk about Kevin 1530 01:25:58.359 --> 01:26:01.520 Spacey as Lex Luthor. Yes, please, I feel like this 1531 01:26:01.600 --> 01:26:06.239 is something that works great in concept, certainly back then 1532 01:26:06.399 --> 01:26:10.800 pre like everything yeah, you know, pre me gesturing all 1533 01:26:10.840 --> 01:26:14.720 of this. You know, you're like, oh, yeah, totally makes sense. 1534 01:26:14.840 --> 01:26:17.119 And yet he doesn't make much of a mark in 1535 01:26:17.119 --> 01:26:20.279 this movie. In my opinion, is that strange because he 1536 01:26:20.479 --> 01:26:26.359 is hamming it as much as this movie hams. Yes, right, 1537 01:26:26.840 --> 01:26:30.640 So why do you think that is? He's just I 1538 01:26:30.640 --> 01:26:33.640 don't know, just tonally. I have a hard time buying 1539 01:26:33.720 --> 01:26:37.880 him as the gene Hackman les sure, yeah, yeah, you know, 1540 01:26:38.279 --> 01:26:39.439 I think that might factor in. 1541 01:26:39.760 --> 01:26:44.840 Yeah, yeah, there's just something sort of well, I mean, 1542 01:26:44.880 --> 01:26:46.000 Gene Hackman, gen Hackman. 1543 01:26:47.760 --> 01:26:54.000 But I mean certainly Kevin Spacey mid two thousands was 1544 01:26:54.439 --> 01:26:57.399 at least as well regarded. Oh yeah, oh maybe it 1545 01:26:57.479 --> 01:26:59.800 was his moment, right, I mean, he had won two Oscars, 1546 01:26:59.840 --> 01:27:01.239 but this point, yeah, I. 1547 01:27:01.560 --> 01:27:04.039 Would wager in this moment a lot of people would 1548 01:27:04.079 --> 01:27:04.680 say he's one of. 1549 01:27:04.600 --> 01:27:11.079 Their favorite actors. Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Yeah. This is another 1550 01:27:11.159 --> 01:27:14.880 scene one of the few things I remembered with her 1551 01:27:14.960 --> 01:27:19.640 and the boy and the piano. Oh, when he just 1552 01:27:19.720 --> 01:27:22.920 straight up murders that guy. Yeah, that's how you do it, 1553 01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:24.479 That's how you do it. 1554 01:27:24.560 --> 01:27:26.680 Yeah yeah, yeah, but yeah, you know what I mean, 1555 01:27:26.760 --> 01:27:31.560 Like everyone is playing this movie very straight and serious, right, 1556 01:27:31.640 --> 01:27:35.920 and he's occasionally hamming it up, right. 1557 01:27:37.159 --> 01:27:43.119 Yes he is. I mean in a very very muted way, right, 1558 01:27:43.680 --> 01:27:48.319 he's muted ham Yeah. Yeah. But also Kevin Spacey is 1559 01:27:48.479 --> 01:27:49.840 kind of a hammy actor. 1560 01:27:50.800 --> 01:27:53.399 I even remember when American Beauty came out and everybody 1561 01:27:53.520 --> 01:27:56.880 was like falling all over him for that. I was like, yes, 1562 01:27:57.079 --> 01:28:00.600 he's doing something interesting, but he also doesn't. He feels 1563 01:28:00.640 --> 01:28:02.840 otherworldly a little bit. And the way that he's talking 1564 01:28:02.880 --> 01:28:03.920 to people, you know. 1565 01:28:03.960 --> 01:28:06.439 Like I hate my job. 1566 01:28:06.840 --> 01:28:09.439 I mean, you know, he's always been a little over 1567 01:28:09.479 --> 01:28:13.600 the top. But I think at the time people were like, yeah, yeah, no, yeah, 1568 01:28:13.640 --> 01:28:14.279 he's interesting. 1569 01:28:15.399 --> 01:28:17.399 You know what's funny about American Beauty. I've only seen 1570 01:28:17.439 --> 01:28:20.199 that movie one time. Really, I've only seen it the 1571 01:28:20.199 --> 01:28:23.119 one time, and I remember enjoying it. Yeah, I liked it. 1572 01:28:23.119 --> 01:28:24.600 I watched the opening night. I watched it at the 1573 01:28:24.720 --> 01:28:30.159 Canterra with Sean and and it's just funny how in retrospect, 1574 01:28:30.239 --> 01:28:35.199 I'm just like ew, like, like, well, just so much Ew. 1575 01:28:35.359 --> 01:28:35.560 You know. 1576 01:28:35.840 --> 01:28:38.000 Yeah, there's a lot of you in that movie. I mean, 1577 01:28:38.039 --> 01:28:40.279 I know that's kind of the point. But also at 1578 01:28:40.319 --> 01:28:42.199 the same time, you could argue that maybe the movie 1579 01:28:42.199 --> 01:28:45.600 doesn't even recognize it by the end, like it presents 1580 01:28:45.640 --> 01:28:47.680 a lot at you, but it doesn't reckon with it. 1581 01:28:47.680 --> 01:28:49.560 It's just sort of like, oh, well, you know, everybody's 1582 01:28:49.560 --> 01:28:50.279 just trying their best. 1583 01:28:52.560 --> 01:28:54.560 Yeah. 1584 01:28:54.680 --> 01:28:56.359 Yeah, I already watched it a couple of years ago. 1585 01:28:56.720 --> 01:28:58.880 Oh I'm curious. I mean, did it hold up for you? 1586 01:29:00.079 --> 01:29:02.239 H I mean yes and no. 1587 01:29:02.600 --> 01:29:04.279 I mean I think it would probably be easy to 1588 01:29:04.319 --> 01:29:07.520 just say no. But there's a lot of you know, 1589 01:29:07.960 --> 01:29:12.840 interesting filmmaking and performances and weird ideas. And that's kind 1590 01:29:12.840 --> 01:29:17.399 of my take, is it presents a lot of weird stuff. Yeah, 1591 01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:20.199 and I think it it's meant to be like, yeah, 1592 01:29:20.199 --> 01:29:24.239 this isn't okay along the way, but by the end 1593 01:29:24.239 --> 01:29:27.239 of it, it just kind of forgives everybody right, and 1594 01:29:27.279 --> 01:29:30.279 it's you know, it's like, well, because I mean spoiler, 1595 01:29:30.319 --> 01:29:32.439 you know, Kevin Spacey's character dies and it's like, well, 1596 01:29:32.479 --> 01:29:35.039 isn't that just kind of sad? You know, he maybe 1597 01:29:35.119 --> 01:29:37.039 he was just he was just trying his best, and 1598 01:29:37.039 --> 01:29:40.319 this is just you know, minutes after he almost had 1599 01:29:40.359 --> 01:29:42.479 sex with his underage girl, but he didn't. 1600 01:29:42.760 --> 01:29:46.479 He didn't because he's a good guy. He's been fantasizing 1601 01:29:46.479 --> 01:29:49.279 about her the whole movie and exactly the audience has 1602 01:29:49.359 --> 01:29:51.199 made complicit in that, by the way. 1603 01:29:51.880 --> 01:29:55.079 Yeah, so it's it's messy, but I can't say it 1604 01:29:55.119 --> 01:29:55.840 isn't interesting. 1605 01:29:56.560 --> 01:29:59.319 Okay, that's Sam Mendez, right, it is Sam Menda's. Yeah. 1606 01:29:59.560 --> 01:30:02.560 I think that was his first theatrical movie because he 1607 01:30:02.600 --> 01:30:06.279 was a theater director and Alan Ball wrote the that's right, yeah, 1608 01:30:06.319 --> 01:30:09.479 I mean that movie was a big moment. 1609 01:30:09.680 --> 01:30:09.840 Yeah. 1610 01:30:09.880 --> 01:30:13.000 Yeah, when he came out, it's a big deal. Yeah. Yeah. 1611 01:30:13.039 --> 01:30:16.079 So Lex's plan is goddamn idiotic. Right. 1612 01:30:16.439 --> 01:30:18.840 That was the other thing again that I remember where 1613 01:30:18.840 --> 01:30:20.479 it was like, I'm going to create all this land 1614 01:30:20.520 --> 01:30:22.560 for real estate, and then he he creates like this 1615 01:30:23.000 --> 01:30:25.079 immediate apocalypse landscape. 1616 01:30:25.840 --> 01:30:29.800 It makes like this is for anybody who who looked 1617 01:30:29.800 --> 01:30:31.960 at Lexa's plan in the first film, I was like, 1618 01:30:32.000 --> 01:30:34.680 I don't know, man sink into sinking California into the 1619 01:30:34.720 --> 01:30:37.640 ocean so you have more beachfront. It's like, oh, hold 1620 01:30:37.640 --> 01:30:38.319 my beer. 1621 01:30:39.079 --> 01:30:42.880 Right right, he's gonna create a new continent that's going 1622 01:30:42.960 --> 01:30:47.720 to overtake North America. 1623 01:30:46.199 --> 01:30:49.479 Like you almost wish like because he's so like and 1624 01:30:49.520 --> 01:30:51.760 this is what we're gonna do, and you just want 1625 01:30:51.800 --> 01:30:54.640 los to be like that's idiotic. Yes, oh that would 1626 01:30:54.640 --> 01:30:57.520 have been Yeah, you are a stupid person, you know, Like, 1627 01:30:59.279 --> 01:31:03.319 actually I would have love that. That always makes more sense, 1628 01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:03.520 you know. 1629 01:31:03.640 --> 01:31:06.000 Yeah, yeah, see this this stuff he's doing here, it 1630 01:31:06.039 --> 01:31:08.520 feels like he's like, but I'm in a superhero movie. 1631 01:31:08.560 --> 01:31:11.680 Don't I get to do this a little bit? But 1632 01:31:11.720 --> 01:31:14.279 it's it's so off kilter because it's just sprinkled in 1633 01:31:14.359 --> 01:31:18.279 these odd places totally. He's like, you're not getting the 1634 01:31:18.319 --> 01:31:21.000 big picture or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1635 01:31:21.079 --> 01:31:22.960 Well, and then you got poor Parker Posey over here. 1636 01:31:22.960 --> 01:31:27.760 It was this brilliant, interesting, idiostocratic actress, and then she's 1637 01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:29.600 just sitting there looking at mostly. 1638 01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:31.560 For the rest of the movie, like, am I wrong? 1639 01:31:31.800 --> 01:31:35.119 Cast her as lowest you're gonna get something interesting? Yeah? Definitely. 1640 01:31:36.359 --> 01:31:39.119 So this here, you know, where he's got this little 1641 01:31:40.399 --> 01:31:42.880 cylinder made of kryptonite and he like puts it towards 1642 01:31:42.880 --> 01:31:45.520 the kid and the kid starts getting sick. I would 1643 01:31:45.560 --> 01:31:48.600 have loved like four more minutes of him just going close, 1644 01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:55.920 far close, far. I would That's really funny. 1645 01:31:58.079 --> 01:31:59.800 I do like this, though, I Mean I'm just looking 1646 01:31:59.840 --> 01:32:04.720 at his realization reactions and the kid. 1647 01:32:04.760 --> 01:32:06.399 Am I wrong? Is the kid kind of underplaying it 1648 01:32:06.399 --> 01:32:08.920 a little bit here. Now that's the kid's like that 1649 01:32:08.960 --> 01:32:11.079 he's that he's getting sick with the kryptonite. 1650 01:32:11.279 --> 01:32:13.239 Yeah, I got what was happening. But it's not like 1651 01:32:13.279 --> 01:32:15.439 he's slumping or any different than he was. 1652 01:32:15.560 --> 01:32:17.920 Again, I think it would be hilarious if he's very 1653 01:32:18.079 --> 01:32:20.239 obviously getting sick and then you move it away and 1654 01:32:20.279 --> 01:32:24.319 he's obviously very happy and jovial. Yeah, yeah, very Just 1655 01:32:24.399 --> 01:32:27.359 keep going back and forth like a Looney Tunes cartoon exactly. 1656 01:32:27.399 --> 01:32:30.840 I was gonna say, like a cartoon like oh oh 1657 01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:35.199 oh oh oh yeah, just back and forth. 1658 01:32:35.239 --> 01:32:38.319 That would been hilarious. Now, the thing about this, right, 1659 01:32:38.479 --> 01:32:41.720 so that's the first inclination, Oh you know, who's that 1660 01:32:41.920 --> 01:32:47.600 boy's father? How do you just drop in? Oh, by 1661 01:32:47.680 --> 01:32:52.720 the way, uh, Superman didn't pull out in time, and 1662 01:32:53.079 --> 01:32:55.000 and and then he left her, like like, how do 1663 01:32:55.079 --> 01:32:59.600 you make Superman a deadbeat dad? I know, I know. 1664 01:33:00.399 --> 01:33:02.880 Like my point is, none of this makes sense to 1665 01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:10.640 me because because like I don't know, that's a big deal. 1666 01:33:10.760 --> 01:33:14.479 If Superman knocked up Lois Lane, you have fundamentally altered 1667 01:33:14.560 --> 01:33:17.920 the trajectory of these characters. Yeah, and I'm not saying 1668 01:33:17.960 --> 01:33:20.000 there aren't stories to do that. There's one of my 1669 01:33:20.119 --> 01:33:23.199 favorite Superman's ever is Superman and Lois, which is him 1670 01:33:23.279 --> 01:33:26.479 as a parent to two teenagers. Sure, and it is 1671 01:33:26.680 --> 01:33:30.960 fan freakantastic. I gotta watch that. I know you've at 1672 01:33:31.000 --> 01:33:34.000 this moment. Honestly, I said, at this moment, Tyler Hecklin 1673 01:33:34.319 --> 01:33:38.319 is second only to Christopher Reive for me. Wow, you know, yeah, 1674 01:33:39.359 --> 01:33:41.600 it's terrific. So I'm not saying there aren't stories to tell, 1675 01:33:41.800 --> 01:33:46.800 but I'm saying that's such you have to get into that. 1676 01:33:46.880 --> 01:33:48.720 You have to be like, how when did this happen? 1677 01:33:49.960 --> 01:33:52.479 How did this? Say? You know? Yeah, it's also. 1678 01:33:54.439 --> 01:33:58.960 Yeah muted and keep saying the melancholy keeps coming to 1679 01:33:59.039 --> 01:34:01.079 my mind. Just the reaction actions to this, even at 1680 01:34:01.119 --> 01:34:03.079 the end when he's watching the kids sleep, that's a 1681 01:34:03.159 --> 01:34:03.960 big damn deal. 1682 01:34:04.319 --> 01:34:06.039 Yeah, like, where do we go from here? What does 1683 01:34:06.079 --> 01:34:08.279 this mean? He and Lois need to talk, you know, 1684 01:34:08.520 --> 01:34:11.720 But it's just so oh that's my child, I guess, 1685 01:34:11.880 --> 01:34:13.079 and then he flies away. 1686 01:34:14.479 --> 01:34:17.920 It's just I don't know, so weird, right, Yeah, I 1687 01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:20.239 agree with you. I mean, well, singer co wrote this, 1688 01:34:20.399 --> 01:34:24.560 he directed it. It just feels like a fundamental I 1689 01:34:24.560 --> 01:34:27.479 don't know, wrongheaded approach to all this. 1690 01:34:28.720 --> 01:34:32.000 Yeah, well, especially as as we barreled towards the third 1691 01:34:32.079 --> 01:34:36.600 act and again it's like we've still got an hour left, dude. 1692 01:34:36.640 --> 01:34:39.640 I literally actually just tapped my iPad and I was like, 1693 01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:41.680 oh my gosh, oh my gosh. 1694 01:34:46.760 --> 01:34:51.800 Yeah, sorry, the pacing is interminable. I mean we're watching 1695 01:34:51.840 --> 01:34:57.479 it right now. This is really slow pace, you know, 1696 01:34:57.600 --> 01:34:58.680 execution of this moment. 1697 01:34:58.960 --> 01:35:00.600 Now, I will say though, this this is one of 1698 01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:03.960 the moments that I remembered, which is this creepy. 1699 01:35:04.439 --> 01:35:08.239 This guy is creepy. Yeah right, I mean, forget the tattoo, 1700 01:35:08.279 --> 01:35:09.199 which I looked up. 1701 01:35:09.239 --> 01:35:12.319 I guess that's what John Wayne Gacy's clown makeup look like. 1702 01:35:12.520 --> 01:35:13.600 Oh okay, good times. 1703 01:35:13.680 --> 01:35:16.000 Yeah that's great. You know, the child killer, So that's 1704 01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:20.479 tattooed on the back of his skull. But like, I 1705 01:35:20.800 --> 01:35:25.640 like this moment actually on paper, this is kind of interesting, right, 1706 01:35:25.840 --> 01:35:30.560 like this guard playing piano with the boy, but it's 1707 01:35:30.680 --> 01:35:33.960 just like he's interminable. Like just the execution, the pacing 1708 01:35:34.000 --> 01:35:36.840 of it is just so indulgent. 1709 01:35:37.560 --> 01:35:40.439 It's it's indulgent, and that makes me believe that that 1710 01:35:41.000 --> 01:35:45.079 a singer had final edit. Yeah, which is you know, 1711 01:35:45.159 --> 01:35:49.439 I've said this before. Final cut is often held up 1712 01:35:49.520 --> 01:35:52.479 as like a thing like, oh, you know this, these 1713 01:35:52.560 --> 01:35:54.479 directors don't even get final cut, you know, And I'm like, 1714 01:35:54.560 --> 01:35:58.359 you know, yeah, those directors shouldn't have final cut. Yeah, yeah, 1715 01:35:58.399 --> 01:35:59.640 I'm just gonna put that. I don't know if that's 1716 01:35:59.680 --> 01:36:05.960 a it's a controversial opinion, but not every director has 1717 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:07.880 earned it or uses it. Well. 1718 01:36:08.239 --> 01:36:11.119 Yeah, but sometimes it's good to have someone pushing you. 1719 01:36:12.159 --> 01:36:16.319 Well. You know, I've said before, you look at like 1720 01:36:17.039 --> 01:36:20.800 Steven Spielberg obviously has final edit. But one thing you'll 1721 01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:24.239 say about Steven Spielberg is he he cuts his movie 1722 01:36:25.279 --> 01:36:28.359 such that it'll it'll play, it'll play to the wise audience. 1723 01:36:28.840 --> 01:36:31.880 And he has a long time editor. Yeah that I'm 1724 01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:36.600 sure they have a very close, honest, forthright relationship, you know. 1725 01:36:37.800 --> 01:36:41.039 Yeah. Well, and this is edited by John Otman, by 1726 01:36:41.079 --> 01:36:41.960 the way, who did the score. 1727 01:36:42.319 --> 01:36:44.960 Isn't that fascinating? I remember that, yeah, as a fact 1728 01:36:45.000 --> 01:36:47.159 from back in the day. The composer and the editor. 1729 01:36:47.399 --> 01:36:50.520 Yeah, it's interesting. Well, it's like real quick. 1730 01:36:50.560 --> 01:36:54.079 Ben burt Right, he edited the prequel Star Wars prequels 1731 01:36:54.119 --> 01:36:55.279 and he's the sound designer. 1732 01:36:56.880 --> 01:36:59.199 That's interest. I don't think I knew that. Yeah, he's 1733 01:36:59.239 --> 01:37:00.000 in that. If you watch the. 1734 01:37:01.479 --> 01:37:05.279 I forget what it's called, the saga begins, oh right, right, yeah, yeah, 1735 01:37:05.319 --> 01:37:08.880 you see Bert at an avid cutting. 1736 01:37:09.520 --> 01:37:15.119 Wow. Okay, that's back when nonlinear was just starting. Yeah, yeah, crazy. 1737 01:37:16.079 --> 01:37:17.720 So this is the other thing that really jumped out 1738 01:37:17.720 --> 01:37:20.600 at me. There. There's there's a lot of a lot 1739 01:37:20.680 --> 01:37:24.920 of blue screen stuff, yeah, or green screen stuff, and 1740 01:37:25.479 --> 01:37:28.680 that that distracts me more so than I would have expected. 1741 01:37:29.520 --> 01:37:31.479 And I wonder it's if it's because of shooting on 1742 01:37:31.640 --> 01:37:35.039 video and it's not up to snuff yet. You know. 1743 01:37:35.960 --> 01:37:38.560 We also we haven't really commented on it, but there's 1744 01:37:38.800 --> 01:37:41.560 a bit of that. I remember when the Matrix, the 1745 01:37:41.640 --> 01:37:43.760 second one came out, there's a big deal made out 1746 01:37:43.800 --> 01:37:47.840 of creating a full body digital stunt double. You know, 1747 01:37:47.920 --> 01:37:51.279 so you had all the smiths that Neo's fighting, and 1748 01:37:51.760 --> 01:37:53.079 some of the shots you can tell it looks like 1749 01:37:53.119 --> 01:37:54.920 stunting in and it looks really great, and then some 1750 01:37:55.039 --> 01:37:58.840 of it looks like this like PlayStation three graphic of 1751 01:37:58.880 --> 01:38:02.079 a human being And yeah, I mean early days, and 1752 01:38:02.159 --> 01:38:03.960 they've come a long way with that. Actually, there was 1753 01:38:04.000 --> 01:38:06.000 something recently that I don't remember what it was, but 1754 01:38:06.119 --> 01:38:08.520 they said like, oh, yeah, yeah, this guy when he 1755 01:38:08.640 --> 01:38:11.960 falls here, that's a digital stunt double. And I was like, well, 1756 01:38:12.119 --> 01:38:15.439 be damned, looks they did it. They cracked it, like 1757 01:38:15.560 --> 01:38:18.159 I can't tell anymore. But in this one, there's it 1758 01:38:18.279 --> 01:38:22.079 feels like a lot of digital body doubling for Superman 1759 01:38:22.159 --> 01:38:25.880 when he's kind of unnecessarily unnecessarily yes, when he's in 1760 01:38:25.960 --> 01:38:27.800 the air, it didn't feel necessary. 1761 01:38:27.880 --> 01:38:30.159 It looks kind of rubbery and weird. Just put Brandon 1762 01:38:30.239 --> 01:38:32.199 Rath on wires. What are you guys doing? You know? Yeah? 1763 01:38:34.760 --> 01:38:38.239 So that Yeah, I mean I like this scene in concept. 1764 01:38:38.319 --> 01:38:39.199 I like the whole. 1765 01:38:40.800 --> 01:38:42.479 It's not just a hint, like the Hinchman's kind of 1766 01:38:42.600 --> 01:38:45.079 inherently interesting because he's going to sit next to the 1767 01:38:45.159 --> 01:38:47.399 kid at the piano and play a song, and that 1768 01:38:47.640 --> 01:38:51.000 gives an opening for Lois to send out their coordinates, right, 1769 01:38:51.399 --> 01:38:54.680 I mean, you have to squint to not think about 1770 01:38:54.720 --> 01:38:57.960 the whole Internet connection noise that's happening that he doesn't 1771 01:38:58.039 --> 01:39:00.079 hear ten feet away. 1772 01:39:02.920 --> 01:39:07.439 Exactly. Yeah. See, so this is this is this sequence. 1773 01:39:07.600 --> 01:39:09.960 I think it makes me uncomfortable. 1774 01:39:10.960 --> 01:39:13.640 He's gonna murder this kid's mother in front of him. 1775 01:39:13.640 --> 01:39:15.760 Right, So so you get it. It has to make 1776 01:39:15.800 --> 01:39:20.159 you uncomfortable because Jason has to be seeing something so 1777 01:39:21.319 --> 01:39:24.000 scary that it would push him into this, you know, 1778 01:39:24.960 --> 01:39:30.279 like his his power to activate. You get it. But again, 1779 01:39:30.359 --> 01:39:32.520 this goes to what we were talking about earlier. It's 1780 01:39:32.600 --> 01:39:35.680 like all these plot points that are all kind of 1781 01:39:36.079 --> 01:39:41.800 not nurtured properly. If Superman has a son, that's your story. Yeah, 1782 01:39:42.760 --> 01:39:46.399 you know that's not the oh and like we don't 1783 01:39:46.439 --> 01:39:51.119 address it at all. Yeah, what are his powers? You know, 1784 01:39:52.079 --> 01:39:55.960 that's a good point. I remember Brian Singer gave some 1785 01:39:56.039 --> 01:39:58.199 interview where he was like, you know, for the next one, 1786 01:39:58.319 --> 01:40:01.399 you know, we're gonna we're gonna Wrath of Khan. And 1787 01:40:02.079 --> 01:40:06.359 I guess that meant, you know, going darker, maybe putting 1788 01:40:06.359 --> 01:40:07.680 the kid in danger or something. And I'm like, well, 1789 01:40:07.720 --> 01:40:09.800 I don't want to see that either. I know, I 1790 01:40:09.880 --> 01:40:12.039 just want to see Superman saving people. Can we just 1791 01:40:12.159 --> 01:40:14.359 do that? Can we just And here's the funny thing. 1792 01:40:14.399 --> 01:40:18.720 I read that he had offered the role of General 1793 01:40:18.880 --> 01:40:21.960 Zod to Jude Law. Yeah yeah, I saw that, and 1794 01:40:22.119 --> 01:40:24.520 Jude Law either said nor it wasn't available, and so 1795 01:40:24.560 --> 01:40:26.920 they got rid of the character. I'm like, can we 1796 01:40:27.079 --> 01:40:32.439 please acknowledge that Superman has other villains than these two guys. Sure, 1797 01:40:35.239 --> 01:40:36.000 that's a good point. 1798 01:40:36.039 --> 01:40:38.199 And I got to say, as someone who hasn't really 1799 01:40:38.279 --> 01:40:42.640 read the comics other than a handful you've given me, Yeah, 1800 01:40:42.760 --> 01:40:45.960 I mean I do. I think it's affected me in 1801 01:40:46.119 --> 01:40:48.640 that when you said that about Zod, I'm like, oh, 1802 01:40:48.760 --> 01:40:51.479 that'd be great because that's what I know. Yeah, and 1803 01:40:51.600 --> 01:40:55.760 Superman hasn't really been pushed villain wise in the movies. 1804 01:40:56.560 --> 01:40:59.640 And so I you know, when the James Gun trailers 1805 01:40:59.640 --> 01:41:02.479 were coming out and we're seeing it stacked with all 1806 01:41:02.520 --> 01:41:05.640 these comic book looking people. I remember talking to friends 1807 01:41:06.199 --> 01:41:08.279 that don't really read the comics watch the movies that 1808 01:41:08.359 --> 01:41:10.880 were thinking like, I don't know, this looks weird. Sure, 1809 01:41:11.079 --> 01:41:13.720 and I I remember wanting to ask you, then, well 1810 01:41:13.760 --> 01:41:14.319 does it or. 1811 01:41:14.359 --> 01:41:17.640 Is this what you know? It's more reflective of a 1812 01:41:17.680 --> 01:41:18.600 comic book universe. 1813 01:41:18.680 --> 01:41:21.720 Yeah, yeah, you know, maybe it's good to finally push that. 1814 01:41:21.840 --> 01:41:25.960 So we are expanding the sandbox for Superman on Scoen. 1815 01:41:26.079 --> 01:41:28.479 Yeah. Well, and what you realize is that was the 1816 01:41:28.560 --> 01:41:32.439 great service that the Adam West Batman show did was 1817 01:41:32.920 --> 01:41:36.680 put most of his villains into the public eye. And 1818 01:41:36.960 --> 01:41:39.760 and sort of nestled them in the consciousness, right, so 1819 01:41:40.479 --> 01:41:45.039 you know, above and beyond Joker, Penguin, Catwoman and Riddler. 1820 01:41:45.119 --> 01:41:48.079 You know, you got you know, mister Freeze and Egghead 1821 01:41:48.159 --> 01:41:50.600 and you know whoever else, right, Mad had had her 1822 01:41:52.039 --> 01:41:55.319 right and then and then the animated show obviously was 1823 01:41:55.359 --> 01:41:59.239 able to darken those characters. But Superman didn't really have 1824 01:41:59.479 --> 01:42:02.720 that right because in the nineteen fifties show, they didn't 1825 01:42:02.720 --> 01:42:04.680 even have Lex Luthor. In the nineteen fifties show, it 1826 01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:09.119 was just guys and suits, m and gangsters and yeah, 1827 01:42:09.119 --> 01:42:12.680 thieves throw. They would unload their clip on Superman and 1828 01:42:12.760 --> 01:42:16.920 then throw their gun at him. Every every episode, just 1829 01:42:16.960 --> 01:42:19.640 about this sequence. I like the way they bring in 1830 01:42:19.760 --> 01:42:25.319 the John Williams music again. Every time that music comes in, 1831 01:42:25.840 --> 01:42:29.800 your heart races a little bit. Yeah, now this I'm wondering, like, 1832 01:42:29.840 --> 01:42:34.680 did he just fly through the top of the yeah elevator? 1833 01:42:35.199 --> 01:42:37.640 I thought that too, I mean, in my I had 1834 01:42:37.720 --> 01:42:38.640 to make it up in my head. 1835 01:42:38.680 --> 01:42:40.680 I was like, Okay, I guess he pushed open the 1836 01:42:41.279 --> 01:42:43.479 escape hatch at the time, I was. 1837 01:42:43.479 --> 01:42:46.560 Trying to nitpick, but no, Yeah, see the stuff with 1838 01:42:47.319 --> 01:42:50.039 him flying all looks pretty good. I think. I think 1839 01:42:50.039 --> 01:42:54.800 it still holds up same. So if your technology is 1840 01:42:54.800 --> 01:42:57.239 such where you can make that look convincing, why swap 1841 01:42:57.359 --> 01:43:01.800 in Uncanny Valley Superman? Mm hmm yeah yeah right at 1842 01:43:01.880 --> 01:43:06.640 at key moments. And this this is also random. This 1843 01:43:06.720 --> 01:43:08.840 might be just me being nitpicky, but I I don't. 1844 01:43:09.119 --> 01:43:12.239 I don't like how overly quaffed the spit curl is. 1845 01:43:12.600 --> 01:43:14.680 That's funny that that stood out to me too, but 1846 01:43:15.159 --> 01:43:17.680 I didn't think about it till the last scene. I 1847 01:43:17.800 --> 01:43:24.119 think it's like a big chunk. Yeah, that's really funny. No, 1848 01:43:24.239 --> 01:43:26.399 but but when you when you look at Superman. Okay, 1849 01:43:26.479 --> 01:43:29.439 so obviously there's Lex Luthor, Lex Luth there's the big one, 1850 01:43:29.800 --> 01:43:32.119 and in general, thanks to thanks to the movies, I 1851 01:43:32.159 --> 01:43:33.960 would say, really is big. But you know he's got 1852 01:43:34.760 --> 01:43:39.840 uh well, I mentioned there's Matallo, there's Brainiac, there's a parasite, 1853 01:43:40.000 --> 01:43:43.479 there's I mean, there's there's a lot, you know, a 1854 01:43:43.600 --> 01:43:46.000 toy man. I'm just thinking of villains from from the 1855 01:43:46.119 --> 01:43:48.720 nineties animated series Dark Side for goodness sake, you know, 1856 01:43:50.920 --> 01:43:54.840 like there's an opportunity. Now his his rogues gallery is 1857 01:43:54.920 --> 01:43:58.359 not as expansive or or as well known as Batman's, 1858 01:43:58.399 --> 01:44:01.279 but like, let's let's try let's push the boundaries a 1859 01:44:01.279 --> 01:44:05.680 little bit. H You know, I I think that one 1860 01:44:05.720 --> 01:44:08.520 thing I liked about about Lois and Clark during its 1861 01:44:08.560 --> 01:44:11.199 first season is that Lex Luther was in just about 1862 01:44:11.199 --> 01:44:17.520 every episode, but he was the guy behind the scenes. Mmm. Sure, 1863 01:44:17.560 --> 01:44:19.039 you know, he was the guy pulling the strings. But 1864 01:44:19.119 --> 01:44:22.279 there was like some physical threat that Superman had to overcome, 1865 01:44:22.399 --> 01:44:26.720 you know, right. That is kind of ironic, isn't it For. 1866 01:44:28.439 --> 01:44:30.720 A series where the character can fly and has heat 1867 01:44:30.800 --> 01:44:33.319 vision and you know, can freeze things with his breath 1868 01:44:33.560 --> 01:44:37.720 that the movies have stayed relatively grounded otherwise, you know, 1869 01:44:37.840 --> 01:44:40.199 like you don't see him fighting aliens very well, I 1870 01:44:40.239 --> 01:44:43.079 mean z Od and everything, but they look humanoid. 1871 01:44:43.800 --> 01:44:47.479 Yeah yeah, I almost. I wonder if it goes to 1872 01:44:47.640 --> 01:44:50.800 sort of like people are willing to suspend their disbelief 1873 01:44:50.920 --> 01:44:54.880 only so far. Hmmm sure. So it's like you tell 1874 01:44:54.960 --> 01:44:57.159 us that this guy is an alien, he's got these powers. 1875 01:44:57.199 --> 01:45:02.000 We'll go with you there. But thing beyond that it 1876 01:45:02.239 --> 01:45:05.079 becomes a little hard to hard to swallow, right, like 1877 01:45:05.159 --> 01:45:06.319 people have a limit, you know. 1878 01:45:06.760 --> 01:45:12.159 Yeah this, Uh well, I was thinking, like, is Metropolis 1879 01:45:12.319 --> 01:45:18.319 like just screwed, like all its underground infrastructure and subway systems, 1880 01:45:18.359 --> 01:45:21.119 and after this whole shockwave that ripples through the city. 1881 01:45:21.520 --> 01:45:26.920 Yeah, so you know this sequence, yeah, is I like 1882 01:45:27.039 --> 01:45:28.640 the little bits that we see. I like the thing 1883 01:45:28.680 --> 01:45:32.680 where he's Superman is flying and he turns upside down 1884 01:45:33.600 --> 01:45:38.840 and he shoots the he like incinerates the glass, you know. Yeah, yeah, 1885 01:45:39.600 --> 01:45:42.479 that's a cool thing. But this feel, this whole bit, 1886 01:45:42.640 --> 01:45:47.920 it feels like a very uh this this bit right here. 1887 01:45:48.279 --> 01:45:50.880 I like this. Yeah, I think that's cool. Cool of 1888 01:45:50.960 --> 01:45:55.159 that heat vision it is. Yeah, it's cool. But I 1889 01:45:55.199 --> 01:45:58.079 don't know, there's just something like this stuff doesn't really 1890 01:45:58.199 --> 01:46:02.960 land for me the way the way the earthquake scene 1891 01:46:03.039 --> 01:46:09.199 in the seventy eight movie does I get that? Why 1892 01:46:09.239 --> 01:46:11.119 do you think that is? I don't know. You know, 1893 01:46:11.640 --> 01:46:15.640 there's something about the pacing. There is a lot of 1894 01:46:15.760 --> 01:46:18.520 music that's really highlighting the action. 1895 01:46:18.920 --> 01:46:19.079 You know. 1896 01:46:21.159 --> 01:46:22.960 Yeah, this is again. 1897 01:46:23.079 --> 01:46:27.800 I do love the way this movie looks. Objectively. Yeah, 1898 01:46:28.000 --> 01:46:30.159 I think it's beautifully shot, even the stuff from. 1899 01:46:30.079 --> 01:46:32.880 The Grant now. But yeah, it like I said, I 1900 01:46:32.920 --> 01:46:34.920 think it's almost a little too in love with itself, 1901 01:46:35.680 --> 01:46:39.199 in love with its look instead of doing what will 1902 01:46:39.239 --> 01:46:42.399 bring us into the action. Into the story. It's just. 1903 01:46:43.960 --> 01:46:48.680 Concerning itself with beautiful photography. Yeah, and it's maybe creating 1904 01:46:48.720 --> 01:46:50.560 a little bit of a distance. 1905 01:46:51.439 --> 01:46:55.359 So I just watched X two in the last two weeks, right, 1906 01:46:56.000 --> 01:46:58.119 and so it's very fresh. And one thing I will 1907 01:46:58.119 --> 01:47:01.960 say about that movie, I mean it moves, yeah, you know, 1908 01:47:02.199 --> 01:47:07.439 and and uh, the the emotional beats hit, but the 1909 01:47:07.560 --> 01:47:10.760 action beats uh pull you in, you know, and and 1910 01:47:11.079 --> 01:47:16.960 and it builds to a dramatic crescendo. I think it's 1911 01:47:17.039 --> 01:47:21.760 a remarkably effective movie in this particular genre, you know. 1912 01:47:21.800 --> 01:47:23.800 I think it's one of it's one of the better examples. 1913 01:47:25.279 --> 01:47:28.119 And I think that's why there was such such excitement 1914 01:47:28.159 --> 01:47:30.680 about Brian Singer. Well, if he can do for Superman 1915 01:47:30.760 --> 01:47:32.439 what he did for the X Men, then then then 1916 01:47:32.520 --> 01:47:36.039 move move aside, you know. Yeah, yeah, and so that 1917 01:47:37.319 --> 01:47:39.560 you know, like like this this piece right here, you know, 1918 01:47:40.920 --> 01:47:44.239 it's it's weirdly devoid of drama as the Daily Planet 1919 01:47:44.399 --> 01:47:48.319 globe is about to fall, but it's beautiful, it's beautifully shot. 1920 01:47:48.439 --> 01:47:52.039 But this should be I don't I mean, we should 1921 01:47:52.079 --> 01:47:52.720 be feeling. 1922 01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:54.319 This more, you know, That's what I'm I don't know 1923 01:47:54.319 --> 01:47:55.800 if I'm saying it well enough, But I think that's 1924 01:47:55.880 --> 01:47:59.319 just it, like it's it's gorgeous. Yeah, and I think 1925 01:47:59.359 --> 01:48:03.359 it's like focusing on his gorgeousness more than what it 1926 01:48:03.520 --> 01:48:07.720 needs to make us actually feel or experience. Yeah, you know, 1927 01:48:07.880 --> 01:48:12.800 because these are gorgeous shots. But yeah, I totally agree 1928 01:48:12.800 --> 01:48:15.319 with you. I mean, that thing almost yeah, crushed everybody, 1929 01:48:15.399 --> 01:48:18.640 but yeah, I'm more focused on how beautiful this shot is. 1930 01:48:21.880 --> 01:48:24.720 Atlas right got the globe on his back. 1931 01:48:26.119 --> 01:48:28.640 I did think what a terrible design that thing is 1932 01:48:28.680 --> 01:48:31.520 on the top of that building, the globe you mad, Yeah, 1933 01:48:31.560 --> 01:48:32.800 they did not think that's true. 1934 01:48:34.479 --> 01:48:35.000 But I love it. 1935 01:48:35.199 --> 01:48:38.600 It's pretty cool it coming off its hinges and crushing 1936 01:48:38.640 --> 01:48:43.920 that water tower and then the water beginning to splash 1937 01:48:44.039 --> 01:48:46.359 down on Perry like making that look up. 1938 01:48:46.520 --> 01:48:51.199 It's all of that tracks and tracks, and I think 1939 01:48:51.319 --> 01:48:53.640 in a design sense, I mean there's something that the 1940 01:48:53.840 --> 01:48:56.279 the Art Deco approach to the inside of the daily 1941 01:48:56.359 --> 01:48:58.840 Planet and the whole you know, the globe and stuff, 1942 01:48:58.880 --> 01:49:02.359 that that all works, you know. I I think for me, 1943 01:49:03.319 --> 01:49:08.960 I feel slightly at arm's length with this incarnation of Metropolis, 1944 01:49:10.039 --> 01:49:16.840 whereas you know, the Richard Donner's approach right farisamilitude I 1945 01:49:16.880 --> 01:49:21.640 think that that gave a liveliness to to Metropolis in 1946 01:49:22.000 --> 01:49:23.520 in those original films. 1947 01:49:24.079 --> 01:49:25.800 I agree, because yeah, it feels more like a painting 1948 01:49:25.880 --> 01:49:26.800 than a lived in place. 1949 01:49:27.159 --> 01:49:29.560 Yeah. And and and just to be clear, why am 1950 01:49:29.600 --> 01:49:34.359 I hitting Richard Donner so hard, It's because Brian Singer 1951 01:49:34.560 --> 01:49:38.079 has invited that comparison, right right, So I'm like, well, 1952 01:49:38.159 --> 01:49:40.079 if you want to continue that, then you have to 1953 01:49:40.479 --> 01:49:46.000 you have to pick up on his aesthetic approach, you know. Yep, 1954 01:49:46.159 --> 01:49:49.760 totally like they shot this in Sydney, I think, and 1955 01:49:50.359 --> 01:49:52.840 which was the style at the time, which was the time. 1956 01:49:57.119 --> 01:50:01.279 But you know, with the matrix, it wor right because 1957 01:50:01.920 --> 01:50:07.680 it's meant to be like slightly unreal, you know, right. 1958 01:50:08.199 --> 01:50:11.119 And so there's something about saying this is an American city, 1959 01:50:11.199 --> 01:50:12.600 but us being like, oh, that doesn't feel like an 1960 01:50:12.600 --> 01:50:16.880 American city. Does that make sense? Yeah, totally, especially with 1961 01:50:16.920 --> 01:50:19.840 the matrix because it's all Chicago streets and stuff, right right, 1962 01:50:19.960 --> 01:50:26.840 right right. You know. 1963 01:50:26.880 --> 01:50:29.640 I was reading about how this came out in IMAX, 1964 01:50:29.760 --> 01:50:33.880 and there was four scenes that were converted into three D. 1965 01:50:35.000 --> 01:50:36.720 And what was funny about that. 1966 01:50:36.760 --> 01:50:39.520 I mean that was you know, that was just the beginning, right, 1967 01:50:39.520 --> 01:50:41.359 and we would have this whole Avatar and then every 1968 01:50:41.399 --> 01:50:42.880 movie was being converted into three D. 1969 01:50:43.079 --> 01:50:44.960 I didn't realize. I thought this was kind of early 1970 01:50:45.039 --> 01:50:47.600 for that thing. I didn't realize it was happening. I 1971 01:50:47.760 --> 01:50:52.359 associate it with, you know, two thousand, late two thousands. 1972 01:50:52.640 --> 01:50:55.479 Yeah, but I was reading the way that they let 1973 01:50:55.520 --> 01:50:57.600 you know to put on your three D glasses, because 1974 01:50:57.840 --> 01:51:01.399 it wasn't the whole film was. There'd be an icon 1975 01:51:01.680 --> 01:51:06.079 of Clark Kent's glasses flashing in green at the bottom 1976 01:51:06.079 --> 01:51:07.119 of the screen, like, put on. 1977 01:51:07.159 --> 01:51:08.079 Your glasses, folks. 1978 01:51:09.039 --> 01:51:10.640 I just I just thought that was kind of an 1979 01:51:10.800 --> 01:51:12.680 almost cute, charming little artifact. 1980 01:51:14.640 --> 01:51:17.319 Yeah, that's a different time. 1981 01:51:17.319 --> 01:51:22.439 A different time, different time. I don't remember that though. 1982 01:51:22.520 --> 01:51:24.000 Did you just see this in three D? Do you 1983 01:51:24.039 --> 01:51:29.319 remember that? I don't believe I saw this in three D? Yeah. Yeah. 1984 01:51:31.520 --> 01:51:35.439 You know what's funny is I remember before this came out, 1985 01:51:36.359 --> 01:51:41.760 Warner Brothers Home Video had released this, just this cavalcade 1986 01:51:41.960 --> 01:51:48.840 of Superman stuff on DVD. So like Loeis and Clark 1987 01:51:48.920 --> 01:51:51.760 season whatever, you know, the George Reeves show season whatever, 1988 01:51:51.840 --> 01:51:53.880 the super Boys show finally came out on DV, like 1989 01:51:53.920 --> 01:51:56.359 all the Superman, the Amiate series, you name it. All 1990 01:51:56.399 --> 01:51:59.600 this stuff came out on DVD, and I got all 1991 01:51:59.720 --> 01:52:03.359 that shit, all of it, okay, and each of them 1992 01:52:03.800 --> 01:52:08.720 came with a free ticket to see Superman Returned. So 1993 01:52:08.880 --> 01:52:10.960 I'm like, all right, well, this is fantastic because I'm 1994 01:52:10.960 --> 01:52:13.359 gonna be watching the shit out of this movie. I'm 1995 01:52:13.359 --> 01:52:15.920 gonna be I'm gonna be going every night for a week. Yeah. 1996 01:52:16.520 --> 01:52:19.159 And then I watched it opening night, me and No'm 1997 01:52:19.159 --> 01:52:22.720 gonna and it ended and I was like, well, okay 1998 01:52:22.800 --> 01:52:26.319 then and all those tickets went to waste. 1999 01:52:29.680 --> 01:52:31.600 I'm trying to think of like the funny thing you 2000 01:52:31.640 --> 01:52:34.239 would do with the extras. I mean, you'd obviously throwing 2001 01:52:34.239 --> 01:52:37.920 them over your shoulders, like the laziest one, like setting 2002 01:52:37.960 --> 01:52:41.239 them ablaze in like a burning trash barrel or something, 2003 01:52:41.399 --> 01:52:43.880 walking away with your leather jacket collar popped up. 2004 01:52:44.279 --> 01:52:47.000 But that's the thing. I didn't even feel that level 2005 01:52:47.279 --> 01:52:52.399 of disconnect from this movie, or you know, I didn't 2006 01:52:52.439 --> 01:52:55.439 walk out of the theater so dissatisfied. 2007 01:52:55.720 --> 01:52:58.720 Okay, yeah, you just saying that now it makes me wonder, Yeah, 2008 01:52:58.720 --> 01:53:01.119 what did I mean? I said how we felt at 2009 01:53:01.119 --> 01:53:04.359 the end of Crystal Skull. What was your feeling walking. 2010 01:53:04.159 --> 01:53:13.000 Into the theater? I was like, I was basically like, okay, okay, interesting, 2011 01:53:13.359 --> 01:53:18.479 you know, and and kind of like, okay, okay, I 2012 01:53:18.600 --> 01:53:23.680 guess that's what we're doing now. And you know, I'd 2013 01:53:23.720 --> 01:53:26.039 have to go back and read my review. My review 2014 01:53:26.680 --> 01:53:30.399 at the time was was generally positive, and it was 2015 01:53:30.520 --> 01:53:33.920 positive in the context of Okay, we've got like a 2016 01:53:34.000 --> 01:53:38.319 foundation here, now let's build on it, right And and 2017 01:53:39.279 --> 01:53:43.800 I remember very distinctly talking about the plane crash sequence 2018 01:53:43.840 --> 01:53:48.119 and singling that out, and I said, like, I drew 2019 01:53:48.159 --> 01:53:50.399 that nine eleven connection. I was like, in the fantasy 2020 01:53:50.399 --> 01:53:52.560 of the world of the movies, we have Superman who's 2021 01:53:52.600 --> 01:53:56.479 able to catch a falling plane, you know, before it crashes, 2022 01:53:56.880 --> 01:54:01.399 and and it spoke to that moment, you know. But 2023 01:54:01.560 --> 01:54:04.079 I remember being like, okay, kind of, let's see what 2024 01:54:04.119 --> 01:54:08.840 they do in the next one. Sure, And so who knows, 2025 01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:11.840 right had they made I mean, their intention was to 2026 01:54:11.960 --> 01:54:16.199 make a sequel, and based on the box office they weren't. 2027 01:54:16.239 --> 01:54:18.479 It wasn't unwarranted to think that there was an audience 2028 01:54:18.520 --> 01:54:21.319 for it. I think what ended up kiboshing those plans 2029 01:54:21.439 --> 01:54:23.600 was Brian Singer kept getting busy with shit to do, 2030 01:54:25.319 --> 01:54:28.079 and then finally it just you know, the all the 2031 01:54:28.159 --> 01:54:30.279 actors contracts Sunset it. 2032 01:54:30.359 --> 01:54:33.239 You know, yeah, maybe you imagine with the sort of 2033 01:54:34.600 --> 01:54:37.199 middling response, Yeah, he lost some. 2034 01:54:37.279 --> 01:54:40.359 Enthusiasts, lost the enthusiasm, I would imagine. I mean, he 2035 01:54:40.600 --> 01:54:44.279 said later. I think this was after he made Jack 2036 01:54:44.399 --> 01:54:47.079 the Giant Slayer. He's like, if I had to do 2037 01:54:47.159 --> 01:54:50.840 it again, I I just reboot it. I wouldn't have 2038 01:54:50.880 --> 01:54:53.960 cast Brandon Routh something like that. I'm like, bro, yeah, 2039 01:54:54.960 --> 01:54:58.199 kind of a dick. Yeah. Yeah. I think he even 2040 01:54:58.199 --> 01:55:00.159 said he would have cast Nicholas Holt and in the 2041 01:55:00.279 --> 01:55:03.479 lead role, as I recall, which is ironic because now 2042 01:55:03.560 --> 01:55:06.159 here he is, Yeah, an a lead role. If not 2043 01:55:06.239 --> 01:55:09.760 the league we've been pretty young then, yeah, right, I 2044 01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:13.600 mean when was that like twenty ten or something. M Yeah, 2045 01:55:13.680 --> 01:55:16.319 Actually I don't know how old he is Nicholas Holt. 2046 01:55:16.439 --> 01:55:19.920 I mean he's got to be in his thirties now, yeah. Yeah. 2047 01:55:20.319 --> 01:55:24.479 But yeah, this worldwide, it made just under four hundred million. Yeah, 2048 01:55:24.600 --> 01:55:27.239 got two hundred million in the US. So yeah, you know, 2049 01:55:27.319 --> 01:55:31.039 I think it was at the ninth highest grossing movie 2050 01:55:31.079 --> 01:55:33.479 of two thousand and six, So it's in there, but 2051 01:55:33.760 --> 01:55:35.159 certainly not what they would expect. 2052 01:55:36.000 --> 01:55:39.399 Well, my recollection is that I think a week later, 2053 01:55:39.560 --> 01:55:43.279 priors to the Caribbean two came out and just clabbered it. 2054 01:55:43.760 --> 01:55:46.560 Oh okay, And in fact, I remember, now that I 2055 01:55:46.640 --> 01:55:50.479 think about it, I remember I visited Chicago the week 2056 01:55:50.720 --> 01:55:53.439 so I watched this, and then that next week, you know, 2057 01:55:54.159 --> 01:55:58.039 I'm and I went to Chicago and we were at Oberweiss, 2058 01:55:58.520 --> 01:56:01.880 the dairy, you know, and this was across the street 2059 01:56:02.000 --> 01:56:04.600 from this. This is on Army Trail, so like, you know, 2060 01:56:05.039 --> 01:56:08.840 near near Strafford Square, and we're sitting there eating ice cream, 2061 01:56:08.960 --> 01:56:10.880 and a whole bunch of kids, like teenagers come in 2062 01:56:10.920 --> 01:56:14.359 all dressed like Pirates and they just got out of 2063 01:56:14.439 --> 01:56:17.319 the Pirates of the Caribbean screening. Yeah, and I was like, 2064 01:56:17.439 --> 01:56:19.680 oh shit, Like that was the first time I realized like, oh, 2065 01:56:19.760 --> 01:56:22.239 this is a thing like Pirates. Yeah, that was a moment. 2066 01:56:22.399 --> 01:56:24.680 Those movies were huge. Yeah. Yeah. 2067 01:56:27.720 --> 01:56:30.720 See now this feels like I just checked. There's about 2068 01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:35.720 with credits forty minutes left. Yep, this should be twenty 2069 01:56:35.760 --> 01:56:39.039 minutes left. Absolutely, one hundred percent. 2070 01:56:39.279 --> 01:56:45.239 Yeah, this is like your third act here. Now logistically, 2071 01:56:45.319 --> 01:56:48.399 here's the problem. So this is Lex Luthor's big land 2072 01:56:48.520 --> 01:56:51.159 mask that he's going to have people fighting to live on? Yes, 2073 01:56:53.119 --> 01:56:54.720 is Lex luthoran an idiot? See? 2074 01:56:54.960 --> 01:56:56.840 That was my That's my memory when I think of 2075 01:56:56.880 --> 01:57:01.279 this movie is he had this plan to create new Land, 2076 01:57:01.359 --> 01:57:04.079 but it looked like a hellscape. Yeah, and I remember 2077 01:57:04.119 --> 01:57:06.800 that feeling ridiculous. So I was kind of eager in 2078 01:57:06.920 --> 01:57:08.840 rewatching this to see if there was some sort of 2079 01:57:08.920 --> 01:57:12.800 explanation or you know, that was dealt with. But there 2080 01:57:12.880 --> 01:57:15.680 isn't Like you could even imagine him being like no, no, no, 2081 01:57:15.960 --> 01:57:19.039 what is this? You know, like he had he realizes 2082 01:57:19.079 --> 01:57:20.560 he had a plan, but he didn't think it through 2083 01:57:20.720 --> 01:57:21.840 entirely and it's not going to work. 2084 01:57:21.960 --> 01:57:22.800 You could do that right now. 2085 01:57:22.880 --> 01:57:26.239 He still seems so confident in this moment. Why not 2086 01:57:26.399 --> 01:57:28.520 have him be furious that it's not working the way 2087 01:57:28.560 --> 01:57:30.840 he thought it would. And then he stabbed Superman with 2088 01:57:30.880 --> 01:57:34.199 the Kryptonite, and you know, like, why is he still 2089 01:57:34.279 --> 01:57:36.640 so okay with what he's created? 2090 01:57:37.760 --> 01:57:40.039 Or even like, don't even have that be the plan? 2091 01:57:40.319 --> 01:57:44.680 Just have this be his thing to this is his 2092 01:57:44.760 --> 01:57:49.479 final revenge against Superman, like luring him to this land 2093 01:57:49.560 --> 01:57:53.079 mass that's poisonous to him. Yeah, sure, we like why 2094 01:57:53.239 --> 01:57:56.840 have I mean, he's made multiple powerpoints or whatever with 2095 01:57:57.479 --> 01:58:00.560 his island growing or what. Right. I'm like, like, he 2096 01:58:00.720 --> 01:58:03.800 obviously has bought into that, and I'm like, but that's stupid. Yeah, 2097 01:58:04.199 --> 01:58:07.640 so just have this b year trap for Superman. Sure, 2098 01:58:08.319 --> 01:58:09.960 you know, Yeah, that's funny too. 2099 01:58:10.000 --> 01:58:11.399 By the way that you bring up the power points, 2100 01:58:11.439 --> 01:58:13.640 because they aren't power points, there are these like actual 2101 01:58:13.880 --> 01:58:16.880 printed masks's true lower effort. 2102 01:58:17.279 --> 01:58:19.760 Yeah, it's very funny in old school. 2103 01:58:19.920 --> 01:58:23.159 And then he had the several made of the progression 2104 01:58:23.319 --> 01:58:25.319 of the growth of the land. 2105 01:58:25.960 --> 01:58:30.600 He hits the button, yeah exactly, and then it looked 2106 01:58:30.640 --> 01:58:34.000 like this. Yeah. 2107 01:58:35.039 --> 01:58:37.000 Well he had to have a conversation with the artist 2108 01:58:37.079 --> 01:58:40.800 and be like, maybe this one is like this much growth, okay, 2109 01:58:40.960 --> 01:58:44.239 And then I'm thinking, yeah, maybe five seven seven's too many. 2110 01:58:44.880 --> 01:58:48.039 It's like George Lucas talking to the concept artists, you know, yeah, 2111 01:58:48.039 --> 01:58:53.760 exactly exactly. See now this here, I think, I think 2112 01:58:53.840 --> 01:58:56.159 this notion of Lexu, they're just beating the living shit 2113 01:58:56.199 --> 01:59:01.199 out of Superman. That's that's effective, you know, And and 2114 01:59:01.600 --> 01:59:03.800 you know, I mean it's kind of heartrending when he 2115 01:59:03.880 --> 01:59:07.000 stabs him with that Kryptonite shard and stuff. Yeah, but 2116 01:59:07.520 --> 01:59:10.000 it feels I don't know, you tell me it feels 2117 01:59:10.159 --> 01:59:13.680 so incongruous with the Lex that we have seen before, 2118 01:59:13.840 --> 01:59:17.720 and I just mean the gene Hackman Lex. Sure, sure, 2119 01:59:18.119 --> 01:59:20.640 you know what I mean like it it. I don't 2120 01:59:20.720 --> 01:59:25.840 see how we get from that Lex to this one. Yeah, 2121 01:59:27.079 --> 01:59:32.279 the brutality, the yeah, yeah, unless it's something see okay, 2122 01:59:32.600 --> 01:59:35.159 a couple of things. Yeah, Lex Luthor was in jail 2123 01:59:35.640 --> 01:59:38.239 and then Superman didn't show up to the Pearl hearing, 2124 01:59:38.439 --> 01:59:42.720 so they let him go. Yeah, okay, clearly the system 2125 01:59:42.840 --> 01:59:48.520 is broken. Yeah, like you need Superman to testify and 2126 01:59:48.720 --> 01:59:53.920 not you know everything Lex did right, right evidence? Yeah? 2127 01:59:54.399 --> 01:59:57.119 Yeah right, So that's weird, right, And. 2128 01:59:57.119 --> 02:00:00.239 Shouldn't Superman be aware of that before he leaves? I 2129 02:00:00.279 --> 02:00:03.279 don't think his planet, if there's remnants, it's not going anywhere. 2130 02:00:06.479 --> 02:00:10.520 Stupid, right, So anyway, my point is, what if between 2131 02:00:11.239 --> 02:00:14.079 the time Superman left and now, like Lex Luthor has 2132 02:00:14.199 --> 02:00:20.279 been through something that's made him far worse, you know 2133 02:00:20.359 --> 02:00:21.880 what I'm saying, Like something has happened. 2134 02:00:22.079 --> 02:00:24.159 Yeah, he's like a de Niro and Cape Fear. We 2135 02:00:24.159 --> 02:00:26.720 see him doing pull ups and he's got like tattoos 2136 02:00:26.760 --> 02:00:27.199 on his back. 2137 02:00:27.279 --> 02:00:29.279 Now I mean something. I mean you're joking, but kind 2138 02:00:29.319 --> 02:00:31.640 of you know, yeah, no, yeah, that's the funny version. 2139 02:00:31.680 --> 02:00:35.760 But yeah, right, something like that, something that's made him 2140 02:00:37.199 --> 02:00:37.600 this way. 2141 02:00:37.920 --> 02:00:41.880 M h yeah, yeah, yeah, A switches flipped. 2142 02:00:43.039 --> 02:00:48.720 You know, maybe maybe how about this, like a in 2143 02:00:48.800 --> 02:00:54.680 a weird way, he he needed Superman when he was gone, 2144 02:00:56.800 --> 02:01:00.479 and because of Superman not being there, he lost something 2145 02:01:00.600 --> 02:01:04.399 or someone mm hmmm mmmmm. So it's this weird like 2146 02:01:04.880 --> 02:01:09.000 dichotomy where he hates Superman. He should be glad he's gone, 2147 02:01:09.199 --> 02:01:11.119 but when he is gone, he needed him, and now 2148 02:01:11.159 --> 02:01:12.920 he blames him for being gone even though he should 2149 02:01:12.920 --> 02:01:15.159 be happy. Does that make sense? I love that, right, 2150 02:01:15.399 --> 02:01:19.239 I love that. Yeah. But that's that's the funny thing. 2151 02:01:19.399 --> 02:01:22.840 Is this movie, for as long as it is, it's 2152 02:01:23.199 --> 02:01:24.800 almost like deceptively simple. 2153 02:01:25.239 --> 02:01:29.640 Yeah, you know, it's well, what did you say, right, 2154 02:01:29.680 --> 02:01:32.720 it's under two hours of story? Yeah, I think that's 2155 02:01:32.720 --> 02:01:36.760 about right. And it's over two and a half hours. Yeah. 2156 02:01:37.520 --> 02:01:41.279 Well it's because it's there's like twenty minutes of the 2157 02:01:41.359 --> 02:01:45.359 hospital stuff and all, you know, like yeah, yeah, see 2158 02:01:45.720 --> 02:01:48.039 this here, like like when he gets stabbed and he's 2159 02:01:48.039 --> 02:01:50.199 having trouble breathing and stuff. I mean, it's it's very 2160 02:01:50.239 --> 02:01:56.680 heart wrenching, right, But I I think that I need 2161 02:01:56.760 --> 02:01:59.680 we needed more build up to that we needed it 2162 02:01:59.760 --> 02:02:00.600 needs to hit more. 2163 02:02:00.720 --> 02:02:06.920 I think, yeah, yeah, you mean like in this moment, 2164 02:02:07.000 --> 02:02:08.279 specifically the execution. 2165 02:02:09.319 --> 02:02:14.199 Yeah, Like I don't I don't know that. Let me 2166 02:02:14.279 --> 02:02:18.479 put this. I think it's effective to see Superman like 2167 02:02:18.680 --> 02:02:22.720 take a pounding, you know, like to I think that's 2168 02:02:22.720 --> 02:02:24.520 a good thing. We should see that he has weaknesses. 2169 02:02:25.039 --> 02:02:30.640 But I we don't have the history with this Superman 2170 02:02:30.800 --> 02:02:34.199 and this Lex to make this moment hit. And again 2171 02:02:34.239 --> 02:02:37.079 it's what I'm saying, like it's it wants us to 2172 02:02:37.319 --> 02:02:40.800 to sort of imprint all of that prior history. Yeah, 2173 02:02:41.560 --> 02:02:44.600 but what I said before, I don't believe that the 2174 02:02:44.760 --> 02:02:46.920 gene Hackman Lex would do this. Yeah. 2175 02:02:47.319 --> 02:02:51.239 Yeah, I mean that just feels like a problem covering 2176 02:02:51.279 --> 02:02:53.159 the entire film, right, I mean, going back to this 2177 02:02:53.600 --> 02:02:57.520 his what we're supposed to be bringing ourselves the history 2178 02:02:57.560 --> 02:02:59.960 of Lewis and Clark here, which I'm just not feeling 2179 02:03:00.279 --> 02:03:01.800 or able to fill in. 2180 02:03:07.039 --> 02:03:11.800 Yeah. So, speaking of Richard being a hero here, you 2181 02:03:11.880 --> 02:03:15.159 know what I mean, like, god damn hero, Yeah, he 2182 02:03:15.279 --> 02:03:21.199 really is. And and I I mean James Marsden is 2183 02:03:21.439 --> 02:03:25.399 just talk about one of the most dependable actors. Yeah, totally. 2184 02:03:25.720 --> 02:03:27.479 You plug this guy in, he's going to give you 2185 02:03:27.560 --> 02:03:30.479 something good. Yeah, and he and he's good in this 2186 02:03:30.680 --> 02:03:30.880 for a. 2187 02:03:30.920 --> 02:03:38.039 Long time, I mean even recently as that showed Jury Duty. Yes, exactly, 2188 02:03:38.239 --> 02:03:40.039 fun watching him let loose a little bit on that, 2189 02:03:40.239 --> 02:03:44.159 do do something different or or like the Sonic movies, right, yeah, 2190 02:03:44.239 --> 02:03:46.359 I'm like the guy, but the man knows the assignment, 2191 02:03:46.479 --> 02:03:51.960 you know, Anchorman two am, Jack Lamee. 2192 02:03:55.920 --> 02:04:00.960 Yeah, everything what's happening here is. 2193 02:04:02.800 --> 02:04:06.920 Somewhat effective, but it's just it's just so slow. 2194 02:04:07.680 --> 02:04:13.319 Yeah, you know, just luxuriates to Ah. Well, well you 2195 02:04:13.640 --> 02:04:16.239 said languid. I think that's really appropriate. I mean this 2196 02:04:16.319 --> 02:04:19.760 should be high stakes, right, yeah, exactly. Yeah. So I 2197 02:04:19.800 --> 02:04:23.439 don't know if it's if if it's the the editing 2198 02:04:23.439 --> 02:04:30.359 where something's getting lost or or yeah. Well, and again 2199 02:04:30.720 --> 02:04:37.359 the visuals are so muddy that it it despite it 2200 02:04:37.640 --> 02:04:40.960 being shot well and to your point, beautiful shot compositions, 2201 02:04:42.159 --> 02:04:45.079 but not necessarily pleasant to look at always. 2202 02:04:45.479 --> 02:04:47.920 Yeah, and that you know, it could be that he 2203 02:04:48.079 --> 02:04:52.560 literally shot a series of concept art or storyboards or whatever. 2204 02:04:52.680 --> 02:04:54.800 But sometimes you have to let go of the thing 2205 02:04:54.880 --> 02:04:57.479 you have in your head for the sake of flow. 2206 02:04:58.399 --> 02:05:04.840 Yeah, you know, yeah, this is great. I mean I 2207 02:05:05.479 --> 02:05:05.680 like this. 2208 02:05:06.279 --> 02:05:10.800 Yeah, and it's almost ironic too. And here Superman can't fly, 2209 02:05:10.960 --> 02:05:18.680 but Richard can. There you go, little boy. You know, 2210 02:05:18.760 --> 02:05:21.920 it's funny when he goes goes down the water fall 2211 02:05:22.000 --> 02:05:24.079 and there's that shot where you see the craggy rocks 2212 02:05:24.119 --> 02:05:25.880 and it disappears behind and of course you know you 2213 02:05:25.920 --> 02:05:28.319 gotta wait like two to three beats and then it'll 2214 02:05:28.920 --> 02:05:29.880 come closer to the camera. 2215 02:05:30.159 --> 02:05:34.000 It made me think, who invented that shot? That gets 2216 02:05:34.199 --> 02:05:35.760 used a lot. That's funny. 2217 02:05:35.880 --> 02:05:38.520 Wow, you know you you I don't know if Hitchcock 2218 02:05:38.600 --> 02:05:40.479 came up with that whole dolly zoom thing, but we 2219 02:05:40.600 --> 02:05:41.479 attribute it to him. 2220 02:05:41.680 --> 02:05:43.520 Mm hmm. So I was like, yeah, who came up 2221 02:05:43.560 --> 02:05:46.479 with that? That's a that's a really uh effective beat. 2222 02:05:46.520 --> 02:05:49.239 I mean, we see coming now. Unfortunately, well, if I may, 2223 02:05:49.520 --> 02:05:53.199 you can you can expect to see something in that 2224 02:05:53.359 --> 02:05:56.960 lineage when you watch the New Superman. The dolly zoom, no, no, 2225 02:05:57.119 --> 02:06:01.920 the drop. Oh really yep? Oh funny. Okay, that's not 2226 02:06:02.039 --> 02:06:06.239 a spoiler, but sure, that's so funny. 2227 02:06:08.119 --> 02:06:11.520 I would love it to be from like Porky's or 2228 02:06:11.560 --> 02:06:14.640 something like Terrible Movie. So everyone is like, oh, we 2229 02:06:14.760 --> 02:06:17.960 don't know where that came from. You know, it's you know, 2230 02:06:18.000 --> 02:06:19.079 we don't need to give it a name. 2231 02:06:20.319 --> 02:06:26.279 It started it was in Birth of a Nation, right exactly, yeah, exactly. 2232 02:06:29.520 --> 02:06:34.399 That's quite a long shard. I was like, ouch, yeah, 2233 02:06:34.680 --> 02:06:39.439 well and and he he broke it off, right, see. 2234 02:06:39.560 --> 02:06:44.840 So now we we get this Superman recovering and and 2235 02:06:44.960 --> 02:06:48.960 then you know, the big climactic moment is is Superman 2236 02:06:49.439 --> 02:06:54.760 lifting the island into space, which you think at the 2237 02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:56.600 script stage they would have been like, you know, maybe 2238 02:06:56.640 --> 02:07:00.800 that's not that's not really the crowd pleaser. 2239 02:07:00.600 --> 02:07:02.479 That that we that we want to go for, you know, 2240 02:07:02.920 --> 02:07:05.319 right right right, you want to shut something down with 2241 02:07:05.399 --> 02:07:08.039 a ticking clock or you want to like, yeah, it's 2242 02:07:08.039 --> 02:07:10.560 something like think about. 2243 02:07:10.720 --> 02:07:15.359 The climax of Batman begins. Yeah, oh yeah, right, it's 2244 02:07:15.439 --> 02:07:19.560 the train going into the center of the town or 2245 02:07:19.600 --> 02:07:22.079 Wayne Tower, and right, I mean there's a clear sense 2246 02:07:22.159 --> 02:07:26.560 of progression of what we have to do and what's 2247 02:07:26.760 --> 02:07:28.840 what's stopping our hero from doing it? Right, and it 2248 02:07:28.880 --> 02:07:30.880 all works and then by this moment it must be 2249 02:07:30.960 --> 02:07:35.039 done by this moment, yeah, you know, and and there's 2250 02:07:35.119 --> 02:07:40.039 none of that here because the notion of this this 2251 02:07:40.880 --> 02:07:45.920 the Kryptonian island is so abstract, and it seems like 2252 02:07:46.119 --> 02:07:49.720 Superman has already seen that right there, the CGI double 2253 02:07:50.600 --> 02:07:52.640 you're telling me you couldn't have just put him on 2254 02:07:52.720 --> 02:07:56.119 wires and just I mean client, you know, yeah, I 2255 02:07:56.239 --> 02:07:59.760 do like I like them reinforcing this is this is 2256 02:07:59.800 --> 02:08:02.760 something very similar in Batman versus Superman, where he gets 2257 02:08:02.800 --> 02:08:08.520 recharged by the sun. I do like that. Yeah, but 2258 02:08:09.800 --> 02:08:17.000 that sense that the island is going to destroy Metropolis, 2259 02:08:19.359 --> 02:08:22.600 you know, like what the movie has done is oh 2260 02:08:22.640 --> 02:08:25.119 well he had Superman zipped through the city, he stopped 2261 02:08:25.159 --> 02:08:29.600 the globe, and now Metropolis is safe. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Now, 2262 02:08:29.640 --> 02:08:30.880 always take care of this island. 2263 02:08:30.960 --> 02:08:34.319 This thing should be continuing to grow exactly. Seems like 2264 02:08:34.359 --> 02:08:35.720 it's kind of stopped, right. 2265 02:08:36.279 --> 02:08:36.520 Yeah. 2266 02:08:36.800 --> 02:08:37.800 Yeah, that's a good point. 2267 02:08:37.880 --> 02:08:40.880 This should be coming closer and closer, and a tidal 2268 02:08:40.920 --> 02:08:44.199 wave is coming and boats are lifting out of the water, 2269 02:08:45.720 --> 02:08:47.840 and if this ant gets any bigger, it's gonna, yeah, 2270 02:08:47.920 --> 02:08:49.079 squash the city. 2271 02:08:49.159 --> 02:08:50.560 So he's got to get rid. 2272 02:08:50.479 --> 02:08:53.479 Of it before it can. Yeah, can get any bigger? 2273 02:08:53.600 --> 02:08:53.800 Do that? 2274 02:08:53.960 --> 02:08:57.720 Yeah? Yeah? Yeah, Yeah, it's good. It's good. It's good. 2275 02:08:59.079 --> 02:09:04.279 Now now X has these I guess the floppy discs basically, right, 2276 02:09:04.359 --> 02:09:08.359 these crystals, Yeah, but he doesn't what's he supposed to 2277 02:09:08.399 --> 02:09:13.079 do with those? Yeah, he doesn't have the player, Yeah, 2278 02:09:13.279 --> 02:09:15.920 the drive to put them in. Well, I mean, but 2279 02:09:16.079 --> 02:09:18.439 is that what he was he was am I wrong? 2280 02:09:18.479 --> 02:09:22.520 He was shaving shavings of that mixed with the kryptonite 2281 02:09:22.600 --> 02:09:23.560 is what was creating these. 2282 02:09:23.800 --> 02:09:26.600 So he's just gonna make more islands, that's right. 2283 02:09:26.760 --> 02:09:29.600 Yeah, so that I didn't realize that. Well, I guess 2284 02:09:29.600 --> 02:09:31.520 that goes back to the multiple maps. I guess this 2285 02:09:31.680 --> 02:09:33.560 is map one we're looking at, and so he's just 2286 02:09:33.640 --> 02:09:35.079 gonna it makes no sense. 2287 02:09:35.159 --> 02:09:35.520 Why are we. 2288 02:09:38.279 --> 02:09:40.520 It's not like he makes a new mass and they'll 2289 02:09:40.560 --> 02:09:43.760 connect in some sort of what was the next step? 2290 02:09:43.840 --> 02:09:48.720 Hold on? Let me see? Yeah? 2291 02:09:49.079 --> 02:10:05.720 Yeah, who oh, these are out of order here? Hold on, man, Yeah, 2292 02:10:05.760 --> 02:10:08.439 you know, and it's funny. I know, Well, the tones 2293 02:10:08.439 --> 02:10:12.079 are very different in the first one. But the Parker 2294 02:10:12.159 --> 02:10:14.399 Posy character, like she just seems so I feel like 2295 02:10:14.680 --> 02:10:17.359 sad every time I see her. And then even this 2296 02:10:17.479 --> 02:10:22.319 moment here where she throws the crystals out of the helicopter. Yeah, 2297 02:10:22.479 --> 02:10:24.439 and then she just she almost sounds like an abused 2298 02:10:24.479 --> 02:10:26.359 partner where she's just like, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. 2299 02:10:27.079 --> 02:10:30.239 I was like, this is unpleasant. So she is essentially 2300 02:10:30.680 --> 02:10:32.479 the miss Testmacher character. 2301 02:10:32.800 --> 02:10:35.399 Yeah, yeah, so I wish she had like maybe a 2302 02:10:35.399 --> 02:10:38.680 little more spunk to her, like she's doing something heroic here, 2303 02:10:39.039 --> 02:10:44.239 she's doing something bold, she's finally going against this guy. 2304 02:10:44.680 --> 02:10:47.199 And it just the way that it's executed to me 2305 02:10:47.319 --> 02:10:50.319 just feels so, I don't know, not fun. 2306 02:10:52.119 --> 02:10:54.960 You know, it is fascinating to me. How how some 2307 02:10:55.159 --> 02:11:00.520 of these beats just replay right, Like again, it's she's 2308 02:11:00.880 --> 02:11:05.359 it's just like Valerie Parene in the first one, and 2309 02:11:05.479 --> 02:11:08.640 then you know, there's there's the Lex Luthor has a 2310 02:11:08.720 --> 02:11:12.000 love interest in the Newer in the new film, and 2311 02:11:12.399 --> 02:11:15.000 and it's just it's weird how you have these echoes, 2312 02:11:15.159 --> 02:11:18.279 you know, And I'm like, wow, maybe it's just like 2313 02:11:18.399 --> 02:11:23.359 that's that's how these stories are, you know. Sure, you know, 2314 02:11:23.479 --> 02:11:23.920 like i'd. 2315 02:11:23.760 --> 02:11:28.560 Almost want to see her owning her moment here, Yeah 2316 02:11:28.600 --> 02:11:31.840 I did it sort of like billions of people are 2317 02:11:31.840 --> 02:11:35.039 gonna die, yeah, you bastard, Like no, like yeah, but 2318 02:11:35.239 --> 02:11:37.479 it just like I said, it's almost played like too realistic. 2319 02:11:37.600 --> 02:11:40.800 Herd tears and apologizing to him, and well but that 2320 02:11:41.000 --> 02:11:43.880 that that gets to what I think is just a 2321 02:11:44.159 --> 02:11:52.680 tonal misunderstanding. Yeah, because what what the seventy eight movie 2322 02:11:53.359 --> 02:11:57.279 gets is that, you know, even as it treats the 2323 02:11:57.880 --> 02:12:03.000 subject matter seriously, there there's a little bit of archness. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, 2324 02:12:03.399 --> 02:12:06.399 and you know it sort of just reminding you, well, 2325 02:12:06.720 --> 02:12:10.239 we're having fun here still, you know, yeah, yeah, you know. 2326 02:12:10.359 --> 02:12:15.479 And where Lex Luthor's launching the two missiles is in 2327 02:12:15.520 --> 02:12:18.279 the seventy eight movie, and Superman's like, you don't even 2328 02:12:18.319 --> 02:12:19.800 know where the second missile's going. He's like, I know 2329 02:12:19.840 --> 02:12:23.279 exactly where it's going, Hackensack, New Jersey. And and that's 2330 02:12:23.279 --> 02:12:26.239 where Miss Testmaker's like, thanks, my mother lives in hacken Sack, 2331 02:12:26.279 --> 02:12:27.640 and he just kind of looks at his watch and 2332 02:12:27.720 --> 02:12:32.239 he's like no, you know, and it's horrible, but it's funny, 2333 02:12:32.319 --> 02:12:34.960 you know, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And and that's what 2334 02:12:35.119 --> 02:12:38.159 this movie misses is kind of finding finding the levity 2335 02:12:38.600 --> 02:12:39.399 in this stuff, you know. 2336 02:12:40.159 --> 02:12:44.680 Yes, yes, yeah, But you know, hasn't that been a 2337 02:12:44.800 --> 02:12:49.199 common problem with Superman, Like it seems like they're afraid 2338 02:12:49.520 --> 02:12:53.199 to let it be joyful or lest it feel. 2339 02:12:53.079 --> 02:12:57.159 Corny or have the humor or something. Yeah. Absolutely, But 2340 02:12:57.239 --> 02:13:00.239 then we have, you know, exhibit A right here happens 2341 02:13:00.239 --> 02:13:05.800 when you don't do that. Yeah, well, especially here right 2342 02:13:06.000 --> 02:13:10.239 where where we've already established that the island is laced 2343 02:13:10.279 --> 02:13:14.399 with kryptonite, and so Superman lifts into space. And I 2344 02:13:14.760 --> 02:13:18.399 can track with that the idea that like that's just 2345 02:13:19.199 --> 02:13:22.000 he's fighting through he's doing you know, like this is 2346 02:13:22.079 --> 02:13:25.680 killing him, but he's going to do it. But again, 2347 02:13:25.840 --> 02:13:28.600 I feel like it would mean more if if the 2348 02:13:28.760 --> 02:13:32.439 stakes were a little more clearly delineated. Yeah, like even 2349 02:13:32.479 --> 02:13:34.920 this here, it's like people are just in Metropolis kind 2350 02:13:34.960 --> 02:13:36.159 of watching at a distance. 2351 02:13:36.640 --> 02:13:39.159 Yeah, yeah, you know what I mean, he's preventing an 2352 02:13:39.239 --> 02:13:40.079 active threat. 2353 02:13:40.560 --> 02:13:43.760 Yeah, but he isn't. I'm like if he were, Yeah, 2354 02:13:43.800 --> 02:13:47.920 that's that's that's righting. Yeah. Yeah, and so it's it's 2355 02:13:47.960 --> 02:13:49.920 Superman versus an island. 2356 02:13:50.840 --> 02:13:54.439 As everyone just kind of watches, yeah, idly from the 2357 02:13:54.520 --> 02:13:55.439 side sidelines. 2358 02:13:56.039 --> 02:14:02.439 Although this looks pretty cool, I gotta say I agree. Yeah, 2359 02:14:02.560 --> 02:14:04.000 you're right. I mean I like all of this. 2360 02:14:04.199 --> 02:14:08.159 If if seeing him sweat and pushing this thing into space, 2361 02:14:09.439 --> 02:14:12.039 it's all great. Just to your point, if they had 2362 02:14:12.159 --> 02:14:14.680 added attention around it. 2363 02:14:15.960 --> 02:14:19.000 Yeah, something something that you can is tangible, you know 2364 02:14:21.119 --> 02:14:25.000 and and this sense of like this will kill me, 2365 02:14:25.119 --> 02:14:27.359 but this is what I have to do. Yeah, you know, 2366 02:14:27.560 --> 02:14:30.279 and this is why the world needs Superman. Hey, look 2367 02:14:30.319 --> 02:14:32.960 at that. It's almost like it's a what do you 2368 02:14:33.039 --> 02:14:40.239 call it? Christ parallel? Yeah, that's the other thing I've 2369 02:14:40.880 --> 02:14:44.319 I need Superman to I need I need Superman stories 2370 02:14:44.399 --> 02:14:46.680 to stop hitting us in the in the head with that, 2371 02:14:48.000 --> 02:14:50.840 like we get it. If we got I appreciate it, 2372 02:14:51.039 --> 02:14:55.760 and and it's important, but you know a little less. Yeah. Yeah, 2373 02:14:58.920 --> 02:15:04.159 I feel like that came in with seventy eight, like 2374 02:15:04.319 --> 02:15:09.479 that really really driving home the Christ metaphor. Yeah, I 2375 02:15:09.560 --> 02:15:13.880 don't remember, Like how is it alluded to in that movie? Well, 2376 02:15:14.079 --> 02:15:18.119 what I'm thinking of is is you have jorel like 2377 02:15:18.800 --> 02:15:25.079 when he sees the jorel Ai right and he says, 2378 02:15:26.760 --> 02:15:29.039 you know, they can be a good people. They wish it. 2379 02:15:29.279 --> 02:15:31.680 They lack only the light to show the way, and 2380 02:15:31.800 --> 02:15:34.000 that is why I've sent them you my only son. 2381 02:15:34.640 --> 02:15:38.439 Ah gotcha pretty on the nose, right, And I'm like, 2382 02:15:38.520 --> 02:15:42.439 I'm fine with that. But you know, when we do 2383 02:15:42.680 --> 02:15:49.159 like the Crucifixion pose every other version, it feels cheap somehow, 2384 02:15:49.199 --> 02:15:49.520 I don't know. 2385 02:15:49.600 --> 02:15:52.279 Maybe that's me, or it's like that's an interesting thing. 2386 02:15:52.399 --> 02:15:55.760 Someone clocked yes, and so they did it. 2387 02:15:56.079 --> 02:15:58.199 Great. Yeah, but it doesn't need to become part of 2388 02:15:58.720 --> 02:16:01.920 the checklist for everything for every version. Yeah. 2389 02:16:02.119 --> 02:16:15.239 Yeah, there's something effective about seeing Superman on a gurney 2390 02:16:15.279 --> 02:16:17.800 in a hospital. Yeah, and of like makes you oh, no, 2391 02:16:18.880 --> 02:16:20.960 like seeing someone so powerful be vulnerable. 2392 02:16:21.079 --> 02:16:24.119 Well, what I like about this? To me? It kind 2393 02:16:24.159 --> 02:16:27.439 of evokes a little bit like like Spider Man. Yeah, 2394 02:16:27.600 --> 02:16:30.680 Spider Man two when he's on the train yep, right, 2395 02:16:31.439 --> 02:16:34.920 Like everybody comes together, yes, exactly, and we're gonna help 2396 02:16:35.000 --> 02:16:38.360 him because he helps us. Our hero needs help. Yeah. 2397 02:16:38.440 --> 02:16:41.079 So I do like that, me too, Me too. I 2398 02:16:41.120 --> 02:16:43.440 always like that. I do love that. 2399 02:16:43.840 --> 02:16:45.520 I'm trying to jab the needle in his arm if 2400 02:16:45.559 --> 02:16:46.040 he bends. 2401 02:16:46.479 --> 02:16:46.719 Yeah. 2402 02:16:49.639 --> 02:16:52.879 But then I did think about the defibrillator, and I 2403 02:16:53.000 --> 02:16:54.680 was like, I mean, why would it blow up? 2404 02:16:54.680 --> 02:16:54.959 I don't know. 2405 02:16:55.000 --> 02:16:56.920 I mean, he's like maybe he's like kind of made 2406 02:16:56.959 --> 02:16:59.040 a steel, but it's not like he's electrified, is he. 2407 02:17:00.680 --> 02:17:03.040 Yeah, that's a good question, right, What I mean, I 2408 02:17:03.079 --> 02:17:05.639 don't I don't know how forblious work, I'm the one 2409 02:17:05.680 --> 02:17:06.840 guy to ask. I don't either. 2410 02:17:10.159 --> 02:17:13.200 Now, this is an effective smash cut, I think, right, 2411 02:17:13.399 --> 02:17:19.920 but it feels like a Simpsons thing. I will, I 2412 02:17:19.920 --> 02:17:23.200 will admit I didn't remember the ending of this movie. 2413 02:17:23.959 --> 02:17:27.319 So then the hard cut to the Superman is dead headlines. 2414 02:17:28.239 --> 02:17:31.399 But then yeah, this slow move the camera revealed that 2415 02:17:31.479 --> 02:17:32.959 there's two headlines. 2416 02:17:32.840 --> 02:17:36.200 Right Millhouse. I'm so sorry he can't hear you anymore. 2417 02:17:37.079 --> 02:17:38.799 That's causing his ears. Yeah, yeah. 2418 02:17:40.200 --> 02:17:43.079 Or it's like the when Bart goes to Millhouse's place, 2419 02:17:43.479 --> 02:17:47.280 the one you call Millhouse is gone, and he's like 2420 02:17:47.360 --> 02:17:49.799 what He's like, yes, to his grandmother's house. 2421 02:17:49.799 --> 02:17:57.479 We're fumilating the place, you know. See, So the movie 2422 02:17:57.520 --> 02:18:00.399 has gone out of his way to establish that Richard 2423 02:18:00.520 --> 02:18:03.280 is a good dude. Yeah right, And so here in 2424 02:18:03.440 --> 02:18:08.399 lies the dilemma because obviously it's Superman and Lois. We 2425 02:18:08.520 --> 02:18:10.600 want Superman and Low stand up together, but we don't 2426 02:18:10.600 --> 02:18:15.760 want like Richard to get shafted in this And so 2427 02:18:16.120 --> 02:18:19.319 where do where do things go next? Are they just 2428 02:18:19.440 --> 02:18:20.280 like co parenting? 2429 02:18:21.520 --> 02:18:25.639 Well, according to the kid's picture, that's right, and we 2430 02:18:25.680 --> 02:18:26.680 can see who was in the lead. 2431 02:18:29.520 --> 02:18:33.760 It's so like like that. Let's say we do a sequel. 2432 02:18:33.840 --> 02:18:39.040 Does that entail Richard dying? You know? Like hmmmm, and 2433 02:18:39.600 --> 02:18:41.399 what we want him to die so we can feel better, 2434 02:18:41.879 --> 02:18:44.440 That's what I'm saying. None of that is good, yeah exactly. 2435 02:18:44.840 --> 02:18:46.920 You know, well I thought it was interesting too when 2436 02:18:47.000 --> 02:18:49.159 she says we're going to the hospital to parry there 2437 02:18:49.440 --> 02:18:50.879 and he gives this knowing smile. 2438 02:18:52.719 --> 02:18:52.920 Yeah. 2439 02:18:53.440 --> 02:18:55.920 But then it's like, wasn't this kid you're relative, you. 2440 02:18:55.959 --> 02:18:59.879 Know, James Marsen, Like, so you're actively rooting against him 2441 02:19:00.200 --> 02:19:03.959 and loves getting back with Superman, even even your own families. 2442 02:19:03.600 --> 02:19:06.840 Against you, is it? Doesn't he also play a similar 2443 02:19:06.920 --> 02:19:08.879 role in the Notebook, isn't he in the Notebook? Yep? 2444 02:19:09.000 --> 02:19:21.280 Yeah no? And in uh Enchanted? Oh yeah, yeah that's right. Yeah, 2445 02:19:21.639 --> 02:19:29.239 James Marston always the bridesmaid exactly. Yeah, yeah, I forgot 2446 02:19:29.280 --> 02:19:31.799 about him in Jury Duty. That was so funny. That 2447 02:19:32.000 --> 02:19:35.959 was a really just brilliant, pleasant surprise that serious. Yeah. 2448 02:19:36.280 --> 02:19:39.239 Yeah, if people haven't seen that kind of a twist 2449 02:19:39.319 --> 02:19:41.799 on a reality show about these people on jury duty, 2450 02:19:42.360 --> 02:19:44.639 that's right, very very entertaining, very sweet. 2451 02:19:45.879 --> 02:19:47.639 See. I love all this all the people who are 2452 02:19:47.639 --> 02:19:51.920 outside too. That all tracks with me. But again, I 2453 02:19:53.719 --> 02:19:56.840 I think we needed more, We needed we needed something 2454 02:19:57.280 --> 02:20:04.840 that that can what Superman just did to the people 2455 02:20:05.040 --> 02:20:09.319 in terms of being directly impacted by what he did. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, 2456 02:20:10.959 --> 02:20:14.639 because they could have been swayed by Lois's article, like 2457 02:20:14.719 --> 02:20:16.520 you know, we did we really need We lived fine 2458 02:20:16.559 --> 02:20:20.159 without him for five years, and then when this enormous 2459 02:20:20.719 --> 02:20:25.079 catastrophe presents itself and there's nothing they could do to 2460 02:20:25.159 --> 02:20:29.239 save themselves from that on land in Metropolis, you do 2461 02:20:29.399 --> 02:20:33.719 need Superman. Yeah, oh, it's right there. That's the thing, right, 2462 02:20:33.799 --> 02:20:35.760 But when he first shows up, well, think about it, 2463 02:20:35.799 --> 02:20:40.760 when he first shows back up, everybody's cheering except Lois, right, 2464 02:20:41.840 --> 02:20:45.479 and I think that's a mistake. I think people should 2465 02:20:45.520 --> 02:20:47.200 be a lot more circumspect, and he's trying to win 2466 02:20:47.280 --> 02:20:49.520 them back, and this is the thing he does to 2467 02:20:49.559 --> 02:20:54.639 win them back. You're so right. Yep, you know what 2468 02:20:54.719 --> 02:20:59.399 you mentioned his costume and the boots. Yeah, this shot 2469 02:20:59.840 --> 02:21:02.399 made me think, like, damn, there's some clunky boots. They 2470 02:21:02.479 --> 02:21:05.120 really they're big and bulky and they got big SSA's 2471 02:21:05.200 --> 02:21:05.479 on them. 2472 02:21:05.959 --> 02:21:07.920 Yeah, so it made me think it wouldn't be an 2473 02:21:07.959 --> 02:21:10.879 easy thing. You know, we always get the which I love, 2474 02:21:11.079 --> 02:21:12.879 but the sort of cheat shot of him running down 2475 02:21:12.879 --> 02:21:15.559 an alley and then ripping open his buttoned up shirt 2476 02:21:15.719 --> 02:21:17.639 and we're like got it, and he's changing into the thing. 2477 02:21:17.799 --> 02:21:19.959 But when you really think about it, like, man, when 2478 02:21:19.959 --> 02:21:21.559 does he put on those boots? Yeah, that's that's a 2479 02:21:21.639 --> 02:21:30.040 lengthy process. Yeah. See, I just I'm I feel nothing 2480 02:21:31.440 --> 02:21:35.200 between Lois and him, I know, And and that's a 2481 02:21:35.319 --> 02:21:38.520 failing of this movie script where it's done nothing to 2482 02:21:39.360 --> 02:21:44.520 make us, you know, feel that they have a prior connection. 2483 02:21:45.360 --> 02:21:47.120 It would be nice if we had seen her wrestle 2484 02:21:47.200 --> 02:21:50.600 a little bit more internally throughout the whole movie. She's 2485 02:21:50.680 --> 02:21:52.680 kind of at a distance or dismissive of him, but 2486 02:21:52.719 --> 02:21:55.520 it would be nice to see her She has something 2487 02:21:55.600 --> 02:21:58.479 she wants to say, but will she allow herself to 2488 02:21:58.559 --> 02:22:01.360 do it? And this is the moment now right where 2489 02:22:01.399 --> 02:22:03.319 she may lose him, where she finally says the thing 2490 02:22:03.399 --> 02:22:07.040 she's been holding back, right exactly, Yeah. 2491 02:22:07.760 --> 02:22:11.120 Yeah, I think even even if it's something like she's 2492 02:22:11.200 --> 02:22:15.040 putting on a front towards him, like no, I like 2493 02:22:15.639 --> 02:22:20.639 we're done, yeah, exactly right, but we're we're seeing, you know, 2494 02:22:20.719 --> 02:22:24.520 in an unguarded moment, that she's she's still pining for 2495 02:22:24.600 --> 02:22:30.200 him or whatever. M h. I think that. Look, the 2496 02:22:30.319 --> 02:22:32.280 problem ultimately it comes down to the fact that the 2497 02:22:32.799 --> 02:22:38.200 that the filmmakers created kind of an unsolvable dilemma in 2498 02:22:38.360 --> 02:22:42.559 terms of this this love triangle. Yeah, and it's like, 2499 02:22:44.399 --> 02:22:45.559 you guys didn't have to do that. 2500 02:22:46.559 --> 02:22:51.680 Yeah, you could have just not you know. Yeah, but 2501 02:22:51.760 --> 02:22:54.399 you know, sometimes I wonder about this. When you have 2502 02:22:54.600 --> 02:22:56.879 someone like Superman, you know, you have Warner Brothers, you 2503 02:22:56.920 --> 02:22:59.719 own Superman, every filmmaker wants to make that movie. 2504 02:23:00.360 --> 02:23:02.879 Yeah, for better or for worse. 2505 02:23:02.959 --> 02:23:06.040 It seems like sometimes they're gonna pick whoever has the 2506 02:23:06.120 --> 02:23:11.040 most unique. Take sure, and so what if Superman left 2507 02:23:11.079 --> 02:23:13.360 for five years and he has a kid like that 2508 02:23:13.559 --> 02:23:15.959 sounds like, oh, well, I don't know what does that 2509 02:23:16.079 --> 02:23:18.360 look like? Yeah, I can see why that rose to 2510 02:23:18.440 --> 02:23:22.399 the top just because it sounds different than just we're 2511 02:23:22.440 --> 02:23:25.520 gonna make a rip Roorn Superman movie. Right, But then 2512 02:23:26.559 --> 02:23:28.680 this maybe makes the case that that isn't always the 2513 02:23:28.760 --> 02:23:32.360 best option just because it sounds the most unique and 2514 02:23:32.440 --> 02:23:34.120 interesting and different from what you've done before. 2515 02:23:36.319 --> 02:23:38.959 Well, yeah, and I don't doubt that singer goes in 2516 02:23:39.040 --> 02:23:41.879 with his pitch and they bought the pitch without the script. 2517 02:23:42.360 --> 02:23:43.200 Oh totally. Yeah. 2518 02:23:43.360 --> 02:23:46.680 Well I read that the principal actors signed on without 2519 02:23:46.680 --> 02:23:48.879 a script, just like I want to be in Superman 2520 02:23:48.920 --> 02:23:49.559 though yep. 2521 02:23:49.440 --> 02:23:52.239 Yeah, but directed by Brian Singer of course. Yeah at 2522 02:23:52.280 --> 02:23:58.040 that moment of course, mm hm right. And and there 2523 02:23:58.079 --> 02:24:01.319 was no reason to think that it wouldn't have have performed. 2524 02:24:01.360 --> 02:24:04.399 I mean, you know, like why wouldn't it. I mean, 2525 02:24:04.440 --> 02:24:07.319 it's if you watch the behind the scenes stuff, it's 2526 02:24:07.600 --> 02:24:11.079 it's very sweet where if Brandon rout, like he's leaving 2527 02:24:11.559 --> 02:24:14.000 to go film the movie and his family's all saying goodbye, 2528 02:24:14.040 --> 02:24:15.559 and you're like, man, this guy and he's about to 2529 02:24:15.680 --> 02:24:19.399 just ride that Express train to start him. And to 2530 02:24:19.520 --> 02:24:23.399 be fair, i mean, the guy's continued working, right, so 2531 02:24:23.479 --> 02:24:26.520 it's not like his career just just tapped out after 2532 02:24:26.600 --> 02:24:29.360 this movie. But it is kind of sad because like 2533 02:24:29.559 --> 02:24:33.879 he is sort of the George Lazenby of Superman's you know, yeah, 2534 02:24:34.280 --> 02:24:36.879 you know, yeah, Like that's what I'm saying. I'm glad 2535 02:24:36.959 --> 02:24:38.680 he got a chance to come back and and and 2536 02:24:40.159 --> 02:24:43.680 put some measure of closure on it. Totally. Yeah, that's nice. 2537 02:24:45.120 --> 02:24:46.600 Like I said, if you get the chance, go to 2538 02:24:46.680 --> 02:24:50.399 YouTube just watch his his bits from crisisign Infinite Earths. 2539 02:24:53.239 --> 02:24:56.040 Oh, this is the little flirty glance the nurse gives 2540 02:24:56.079 --> 02:24:58.399 the security guard yeah, which makes you think like, oh, 2541 02:24:58.479 --> 02:24:59.840 do they have like a little thing let's go. 2542 02:25:00.200 --> 02:25:01.920 That's kind of nice. That's the stuff you want to 2543 02:25:01.920 --> 02:25:03.399 be thinking about while you're watching a Superman. 2544 02:25:05.319 --> 02:25:07.399 But I mean, you know, she's probably you know, she 2545 02:25:07.440 --> 02:25:11.239 doesn't have any lines, you know, But so it's like, 2546 02:25:11.280 --> 02:25:12.600 how do you go in and make some sort of 2547 02:25:12.680 --> 02:25:16.520 impact with your one little moment? And yeah, I feel like, oh, 2548 02:25:17.600 --> 02:25:19.079 I don't know if she did it or the director, 2549 02:25:19.120 --> 02:25:20.760 but gave them a little business. 2550 02:25:21.959 --> 02:25:29.079 That's hilarious. See like this right here is a great shot. 2551 02:25:29.280 --> 02:25:33.159 Right uh huh. Now I'm gonna say, maybe you didn't 2552 02:25:33.200 --> 02:25:39.200 need the slow zoom in from behind. Yeah, Like I mean, 2553 02:25:39.319 --> 02:25:42.000 you know what I mean, Like this is a very 2554 02:25:42.079 --> 02:25:42.600 long movie. 2555 02:25:42.879 --> 02:25:46.000 I know it would be kind of an interesting if 2556 02:25:46.040 --> 02:25:49.719 you had an advanced editing class at a college to 2557 02:25:49.879 --> 02:25:50.479 give them. 2558 02:25:50.399 --> 02:25:53.680 This movie and be like, what would you do? Like 2559 02:25:53.760 --> 02:25:56.879 snap it up a little bit? You know. I remember 2560 02:25:57.000 --> 02:26:02.079 reading an interview with Tarantino where he's like, Superman Turns 2561 02:26:02.120 --> 02:26:04.559 is great man, Like people don't get it. Yeah, I know. 2562 02:26:04.920 --> 02:26:07.159 I think he wrote like a twenty page essay about it, 2563 02:26:07.639 --> 02:26:11.200 did he really? Yeah? I haven't read that, but I 2564 02:26:11.280 --> 02:26:12.040 don't believe him. 2565 02:26:14.319 --> 02:26:16.479 He's funny like that, though he seems to like enjoy 2566 02:26:16.600 --> 02:26:18.879 having contrarian takes on things just. 2567 02:26:18.920 --> 02:26:22.479 For the sake of it. Yeah, but this gets okay, 2568 02:26:22.799 --> 02:26:27.600 let's talk about this real quick, so please, So I 2569 02:26:27.719 --> 02:26:32.360 don't I don't feel anything here, I know, and I'm 2570 02:26:32.399 --> 02:26:37.120 supposed to feel everything. I know, Right, Superman looking at 2571 02:26:37.159 --> 02:26:39.079 his son, Yeah, asleep. 2572 02:26:39.159 --> 02:26:43.280 Well he's in he's literally invaded a house. They don't 2573 02:26:43.319 --> 02:26:46.000 know he's in there, and he's watching his son. And 2574 02:26:46.120 --> 02:26:50.000 this is the son he's missed out on for five years, 2575 02:26:50.079 --> 02:26:51.879 I mean, unknowingly abandoned. 2576 02:26:51.920 --> 02:26:56.239 And yeah, well you know what I thought of a 2577 02:26:56.319 --> 02:26:59.079 part of the reason there are no real moments between 2578 02:26:59.120 --> 02:27:04.639 Superman and Jays and before this, like just them together. Yeah, 2579 02:27:05.719 --> 02:27:09.000 you know, somewhere Superman rescues Jason and they talk and 2580 02:27:09.280 --> 02:27:12.239 they laugh together something you know, Yeah, or he recognizes 2581 02:27:12.319 --> 02:27:18.360 something in him exactly. Yeah, right, because because it's a 2582 02:27:18.479 --> 02:27:21.479 very arbitrary way in which Superman ends up here where 2583 02:27:21.479 --> 02:27:27.799 he's like, okay, this is my son. Mm hmm. Yeah, 2584 02:27:27.959 --> 02:27:31.879 I don't get it. Yeah, it's very stoic. Yeah. 2585 02:27:32.000 --> 02:27:34.040 Also right, like wouldn't you like to see a little 2586 02:27:34.079 --> 02:27:38.200 bit of regret on his face and then a little tenderness, 2587 02:27:38.360 --> 02:27:40.440 and like, I want to see a whole range of 2588 02:27:40.520 --> 02:27:44.600 emotions in this moment, but it's just very Again, I 2589 02:27:44.680 --> 02:27:47.200 just feel like I'm looking at a beautiful painting and 2590 02:27:47.280 --> 02:27:49.760 someone speaking very you. 2591 02:27:49.799 --> 02:27:54.959 Know, I don't know. Yeah, well, I again, at the 2592 02:27:55.079 --> 02:27:58.079 time this movie came out, this was a remarkable paradigm 2593 02:27:58.120 --> 02:28:00.399 ship because okay, well, now Superman has a kid, and 2594 02:28:01.159 --> 02:28:03.600 now you know you have to deal with that. It 2595 02:28:03.719 --> 02:28:06.200 is somewhat ironic that you know, in the comic books 2596 02:28:06.520 --> 02:28:09.799 since then, you know, they Superman does have a son, 2597 02:28:10.440 --> 02:28:13.959 and you know that's just in the mix. Now Batman 2598 02:28:14.000 --> 02:28:15.959 has a son now too, right, Robin, the current Robin 2599 02:28:16.079 --> 02:28:19.120 is Batman's son, and that's fat. I don't read the 2600 02:28:19.159 --> 02:28:22.040 comics currently, but that that itself is so fascinating because 2601 02:28:22.079 --> 02:28:27.280 that's such a that's such a permanent status shift, right, 2602 02:28:28.520 --> 02:28:29.639 Like you can't undo. 2603 02:28:29.520 --> 02:28:31.959 That well, and usually that's what a television show does 2604 02:28:32.000 --> 02:28:33.600 when they've run out of stories. 2605 02:28:34.719 --> 02:28:34.959 Kids. 2606 02:28:35.000 --> 02:28:37.799 So maybe yeah, well I'm not saying that that's the 2607 02:28:37.840 --> 02:28:40.559 case for their for them, but it's like you are 2608 02:28:40.879 --> 02:28:44.040 almost painting yourself into a corner because you see no 2609 02:28:44.159 --> 02:28:47.200 other options, you know, at least in terms of TV series. 2610 02:28:47.280 --> 02:28:48.959 So it's weird that this is how they would kick 2611 02:28:48.959 --> 02:28:50.920 off this new series of Superman movies. 2612 02:28:51.559 --> 02:29:00.879 Right, yeah, no, absolutely, yeah. See, so setting up this 2613 02:29:01.040 --> 02:29:07.840 idea of like, okay, now they's somewhat like amicable between 2614 02:29:07.879 --> 02:29:12.360 each other. But again, let's let's postulate that we move 2615 02:29:12.399 --> 02:29:15.920 forward with the sequel. There's there's nowhere to go with 2616 02:29:16.280 --> 02:29:20.680 the Superman Lowest relationship unless James Marsden, you know, takes 2617 02:29:20.680 --> 02:29:24.719 a long walk off a short peer. You like that, 2618 02:29:24.840 --> 02:29:31.319 I know, I know you like that. I do for 2619 02:29:31.440 --> 02:29:35.239 folks listening, not James Marsden doing the turn of phrase. 2620 02:29:35.719 --> 02:29:38.280 Yeah, well, what's the kids supposed to be feeling? I mean, 2621 02:29:38.360 --> 02:29:40.719 it's all he knows. Richard is his dad and ye. 2622 02:29:41.319 --> 02:29:43.959 But now obviously he's going to want if he senses 2623 02:29:44.000 --> 02:29:45.879 some sort of connection between him and Superman, he's going 2624 02:29:45.959 --> 02:29:47.479 to want to explore that exactly. 2625 02:29:47.559 --> 02:29:49.399 Sad or not sad. 2626 02:29:49.399 --> 02:29:52.760 I mean, that happens in life, but it's just overly complicated, 2627 02:29:52.840 --> 02:29:54.520 emotionally complicated. 2628 02:29:54.000 --> 02:29:56.040 For what I want out of my Superman this right here, 2629 02:29:56.200 --> 02:29:59.719 that's cgi Brandon Routh. Yeah, you're telling me you couldn't 2630 02:29:59.760 --> 02:30:02.920 just film him. I know there's no point anyway. 2631 02:30:02.920 --> 02:30:04.520 Sorry, you were saying, no, no, no, that's all just 2632 02:30:05.319 --> 02:30:09.159 overly emotionally complicated, when that's not what I'm showing up 2633 02:30:09.200 --> 02:30:11.719 for two hours for with my Superman film. 2634 02:30:12.040 --> 02:30:14.600 Right, And so we go through that whole, that whole 2635 02:30:14.680 --> 02:30:18.200 emotional rigmarole, and then we end with this restatement of 2636 02:30:18.719 --> 02:30:20.600 the John Williams music to be like, yeah, but it's 2637 02:30:20.680 --> 02:30:23.319 like that thing you love. Yeah, yeah, and it just 2638 02:30:23.440 --> 02:30:26.239 feels dishonest to me, yeah, because it's not. 2639 02:30:27.959 --> 02:30:28.079 Right. 2640 02:30:28.239 --> 02:30:32.399 It's it's again this like it's cause playing as that 2641 02:30:32.559 --> 02:30:33.000 thing that I. 2642 02:30:33.079 --> 02:30:37.120 Love, and it's interesting or notable at least that he 2643 02:30:37.239 --> 02:30:38.280 does look at the camera. 2644 02:30:38.719 --> 02:30:47.399 Yeah, but he doesn't smile. Yeah. Right. Wow, So Superman returns. Wow. 2645 02:30:47.719 --> 02:30:49.959 I didn't imagine it's being a two and a half hour. 2646 02:30:49.879 --> 02:30:53.239 Dog pile, but I wouldn't call it dog pile. But 2647 02:30:54.440 --> 02:31:00.959 airing grievances, airing of grievances absolutely, Yeah. So where are 2648 02:31:00.959 --> 02:31:03.040 you at this? This is now your third time watching 2649 02:31:03.079 --> 02:31:04.079 it in nineteen. 2650 02:31:03.799 --> 02:31:06.479 Years, yeah, and two of those have been in twelve hours. 2651 02:31:06.559 --> 02:31:13.319 So I will say I'm sorry for people who listened 2652 02:31:13.360 --> 02:31:15.639 and loved this one and we're hoping to hear just more. 2653 02:31:16.879 --> 02:31:19.680 I'm sure people are aware that there's a mixed feelings 2654 02:31:19.719 --> 02:31:22.399 about this, but yeah, we definitely leaned into well, there's 2655 02:31:22.440 --> 02:31:26.280 a dedication to the just forh Reeve Danery, Yeah, both 2656 02:31:26.319 --> 02:31:32.760 of them. I'm you know, it's it's it's a mixed bag. 2657 02:31:33.239 --> 02:31:38.040 I did enjoy seeing it again just for the sake 2658 02:31:38.079 --> 02:31:43.079 of curiosity. There's a couple fun moments. And I am 2659 02:31:43.360 --> 02:31:47.680 a very visual film viewer. I just I can watch 2660 02:31:47.719 --> 02:31:50.760 a movie with a sound off and or I could 2661 02:31:50.760 --> 02:31:54.159 watch a movie back to back easily because I just 2662 02:31:54.440 --> 02:31:56.639 like looking at movies so much, so it doesn't even 2663 02:31:56.680 --> 02:31:58.440 matter that I've seen the story already. I just like 2664 02:31:58.559 --> 02:32:02.360 studying the frame. So this is this movie's a meal 2665 02:32:02.920 --> 02:32:05.600 when it comes to beautiful shots. So I definitely did 2666 02:32:05.680 --> 02:32:07.760 get something out of that. But at the end of 2667 02:32:07.799 --> 02:32:09.440 the day, this isn't a movie that I feel like 2668 02:32:10.520 --> 02:32:13.079 watching again just when I want to pop in a 2669 02:32:13.120 --> 02:32:16.319 Superman movie another nineteen years maybe kind of. I mean, 2670 02:32:16.360 --> 02:32:18.280 for all the reasons we've said, you know now for 2671 02:32:18.360 --> 02:32:22.239 the past two plus hours, like it's just the characters 2672 02:32:22.280 --> 02:32:25.680 don't feel like they really have any emotional connections. The 2673 02:32:25.719 --> 02:32:30.440 story's kind of lacking urgency, languid, I mean that word. 2674 02:32:30.399 --> 02:32:32.600 Just keeps coming to mind. Yeah, but beautiful. 2675 02:32:33.639 --> 02:32:36.760 So it's it's it's a weird sort of mixed to, 2676 02:32:37.319 --> 02:32:38.760 you know, negative leaning. 2677 02:32:38.600 --> 02:32:41.159 Bag for me. Yeah. Yeah, well, and let me just 2678 02:32:41.280 --> 02:32:46.159 add to that, it's not surprising at all that Warner 2679 02:32:46.239 --> 02:32:48.000 Brothers ultimately looked at this as a bit of a 2680 02:32:48.079 --> 02:32:52.200 cul de sac. Yeah, you know, because because one thing 2681 02:32:52.239 --> 02:32:55.440 that really becomes clear is like, there wasn't really anywhere 2682 02:32:56.239 --> 02:32:59.440 appealing to go. Yeah, why would I want to return 2683 02:32:59.520 --> 02:33:00.479 to this right? 2684 02:33:00.799 --> 02:33:03.680 Well, these characterizations because it's not like, oh well then 2685 02:33:03.680 --> 02:33:06.639 I want to see what happens next between Clark and Lois, Like, well, 2686 02:33:06.639 --> 02:33:08.360 I didn't get anything from this movie that makes. 2687 02:33:08.200 --> 02:33:10.920 Me think that cul de sac is the perfect word. 2688 02:33:11.399 --> 02:33:13.600 Yeah, the movie that should probably be kicking off a 2689 02:33:13.680 --> 02:33:16.360 trilogy feels like a cul de sac that's so apt, 2690 02:33:17.079 --> 02:33:19.360 you know. And and so it's not surprising at all 2691 02:33:19.799 --> 02:33:24.959 that Warner Brothers went to Christopher Nolan and we're like, hey, 2692 02:33:25.040 --> 02:33:27.000 can you can you can you do Superman? 2693 02:33:27.399 --> 02:33:30.760 Also? You know, and and you know, it was it 2694 02:33:30.920 --> 02:33:33.879 was his development process that ultimately led to David Goyer 2695 02:33:33.959 --> 02:33:36.559 and then ultimately Zack Snyder et cetera, et cetera, and 2696 02:33:36.719 --> 02:33:42.399 that and that all went fine. Nothing out of the 2697 02:33:42.520 --> 02:33:49.239 ordinary happened in the wake of that. But but it 2698 02:33:49.399 --> 02:33:51.959 is a reflection of like, we swung the pendulum in 2699 02:33:52.040 --> 02:33:54.000 this direction, and then we were swinging it all the 2700 02:33:54.040 --> 02:33:57.000 way in the other direction, and then to some extent 2701 02:33:57.399 --> 02:33:59.639 this current iteration, we're swinging the pendulum all the way 2702 02:33:59.680 --> 02:34:03.360 back in, maybe not in this exact direction, but away 2703 02:34:03.399 --> 02:34:05.920 from where it was previously, you know. And I'm like, 2704 02:34:05.959 --> 02:34:09.079 can we just maybe just find a happy medium? And 2705 02:34:10.000 --> 02:34:15.000 you know, I hope something takes I hope, I hope 2706 02:34:15.000 --> 02:34:18.600 people have learned the appropriate lessons. Yeah. 2707 02:34:18.920 --> 02:34:21.719 Yeah, Well, it feels like people are willing to take 2708 02:34:22.879 --> 02:34:26.520 more swings or not more swings. But with Batman, he 2709 02:34:26.799 --> 02:34:29.000 gets more opportunity. As what I'm trying to say, like 2710 02:34:29.440 --> 02:34:32.399 they just keep making them, and it feels like Superman 2711 02:34:32.559 --> 02:34:35.559 has these longer gestation periods, right, you know, and I 2712 02:34:35.680 --> 02:34:37.280 wonder why that is. 2713 02:34:37.840 --> 02:34:43.399 You know, what's remarkable is that at the time Superman 2714 02:34:43.520 --> 02:34:45.280 came the first movie, the seventy eight movie came out, 2715 02:34:45.319 --> 02:34:47.040 it was a big hit, and it was like, oh, 2716 02:34:47.079 --> 02:34:49.440 we got to do Batman next, and it was like, no, no, 2717 02:34:49.520 --> 02:34:53.120 Batman is like, it's that that the sixties tvaw, nobody's 2718 02:34:53.120 --> 02:34:55.959 gona take it seriously, you know, And that was such 2719 02:34:56.000 --> 02:34:59.600 a high hill to get past that it took, you know, 2720 02:34:59.680 --> 02:35:02.840 eleven years later for the for the movie to come 2721 02:35:02.879 --> 02:35:06.840 out right. But it's like once Batman eighty nine happened, 2722 02:35:07.719 --> 02:35:12.360 it just permanently situated Batman in the zeitgeist. Yeah, like, 2723 02:35:13.079 --> 02:35:16.239 I mean, it's from Batman will always be cool. Yeah, 2724 02:35:16.680 --> 02:35:21.959 you know, I I say that as as a I 2725 02:35:22.159 --> 02:35:23.600 if it comes down to it, I love them both, 2726 02:35:23.719 --> 02:35:28.520 but Superman is still my guy. Uh Superman. It's weird, 2727 02:35:28.559 --> 02:35:32.079 how despite the fact that that first movie created generated 2728 02:35:32.280 --> 02:35:39.079 such cultural goodwill, Yeah, it it burned off and and 2729 02:35:39.520 --> 02:35:41.399 they've they've been trying to recapture it ever since, at 2730 02:35:41.479 --> 02:35:44.079 least in the movies, I mean TV wise, Superman has 2731 02:35:44.079 --> 02:35:50.280 done okay, right, we've had between between uh the Quest 2732 02:35:50.360 --> 02:35:58.120 for Peace and and now we've had one, two, three, 2733 02:35:58.559 --> 02:36:04.760 four live action SUPERMANO wow. Right, So it's doing fine 2734 02:36:05.520 --> 02:36:09.159 in that regard. But hopefully this new one will be 2735 02:36:09.319 --> 02:36:12.680 where the flint finally catches a flame, you know, I hope. 2736 02:36:12.760 --> 02:36:14.879 I'm very excited to talk about it with you soon. 2737 02:36:15.920 --> 02:36:17.840 Well. 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Brian, 2765 02:37:38.399 --> 02:37:38.799 what about you? 2766 02:37:39.440 --> 02:37:42.399 Episodes I've written of Young Jedi Adventures can be found 2767 02:37:42.559 --> 02:37:43.920 streaming on Disney Plus. 2768 02:37:45.319 --> 02:37:47.879 There you go, and with that on behalf of my 2769 02:37:47.920 --> 02:37:49.760 partner Brian Hall. My name is Zachia. This has been 2770 02:37:49.799 --> 02:37:52.920 our commentary track for Superman returns. We'll catch you next time. 2771 02:37:52.959 --> 02:37:53.520 Thanks folks,