Speaker 1: It is the Jesse Kelly Show, another hour of The
Speaker 1: Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic Wednesday, and it is
Speaker 1: time to check out.
Speaker 2: Meaning it's time to check out of current events in
Speaker 2: the news of the day. I will get back to
Speaker 2: talk about these things. The police officer who's in illegal,
Speaker 2: We're gonna talk about four thousand troops parked off the
Speaker 2: coast of Venezuela.
Speaker 3: We're gonna talk about Adam Schiff maybe going to prison.
Speaker 2: We're gonna do some emails, We're gonna do other things,
Speaker 2: but all that is going to have to wait, because
Speaker 2: now it is time to do history. I don't know
Speaker 2: how long it's gonna take. Maybe half hour, maybe an hour,
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's not a longer one like the
Speaker 2: other ones have been. But let me ask you something.
Speaker 2: Have you ever have you ever been fascinated with the
Speaker 2: origin of words, of terms that are commonly used. I'm
Speaker 2: rarely fascinated by it. I'll be honest with you, as in,
Speaker 2: I don't want to look into it, but then I'll
Speaker 2: discover the origin of a term, and I'll be all, Wow,
Speaker 2: that's amazing. Have you ever used the word deadline? I'm
Speaker 2: on a deadline. I have a deadline. I'm on a deadline.
Speaker 2: Would you like to hear where that term came from?
Speaker 2: You're about to find out today. Now, this is a
Speaker 2: Civil War story, and so we have to do quite
Speaker 2: a bit of background, or at least a little bit
Speaker 2: of background to kind of set up the situation.
Speaker 3: Here.
Speaker 2: We are going to discuss Andersonville. It was actually officially
Speaker 2: Camp Sumter. No it's not Fort Sumter, but Camp Sumter,
Speaker 2: but it's known by the name of the small town
Speaker 2: in Georgia that is close to where it was located, Andersonville.
Speaker 2: It was a a Confederate prisoner of war camp. That
Speaker 2: is going to be the subject we're going through today.
Speaker 2: But before we get to there, let's talk about kind
Speaker 2: of the war, the way it went, the way it
Speaker 2: was set up, and what was happening at the time.
Speaker 2: So obviously, you know North facing the South Civil War.
Speaker 2: A lot of people don't know unless you've looked into it,
Speaker 2: unless you've kind of expanded beyond a little more than
Speaker 2: you'll probably get in a history class. They don't know
Speaker 2: that the South never had much of a chance in
Speaker 2: the Civil War. That was because of logistics and manpower.
Speaker 2: They didn't have the industry, they didn't have the wealth.
Speaker 2: I would actually compare it to what we've talked about
Speaker 2: before when it comes to Japan VERSUS America and World
Speaker 2: War Two. Japan had an excellent front line. You know,
Speaker 2: great navy, great fighter planes, initially, great troops. They were
Speaker 2: really good and a lot of ways they were better
Speaker 2: than we were initially. But the problem is if you
Speaker 2: are better but you can't build more stuff. You don't
Speaker 2: have enough stuff to make more stuff, more ships, more planes,
Speaker 2: more bullets, more everything. Things are going to break. If
Speaker 2: you can't replace it, you will lose. The longer it
Speaker 2: goes on. You can't win the longer it goes on,
Speaker 2: and you can be worse. You can be a worse fighter,
Speaker 2: you can even in some ways have worse stuff than
Speaker 2: someone else does. But if you can just build more
Speaker 2: stuff and replace more stuff, then if it goes on long.
Speaker 3: Enough, you'll win.
Speaker 2: If you have a great cutting edge and nothing behind it,
Speaker 2: you better win quickly, quickly, fast, because if it goes on,
Speaker 2: because time is your enemy. I'll put it to you
Speaker 2: that way. That's exactly what the South was. Pretty much
Speaker 2: what the South was facing. When it comes to the
Speaker 2: Civil War or the War of Northern Aggression, depending on
Speaker 2: where you're listening to the sound of my voice. The
Speaker 2: story was in the beginning, and this I don't know
Speaker 2: that you can really debate this. Of course, you can
Speaker 2: debate anything. But the South had better military leaders. They
Speaker 2: had better generals, Robert E. Lee in particular, but I
Speaker 2: mean so many under him, Stonewall Jackson, so many others.
Speaker 2: Remember Lincoln's first pick to lead the Union Army was
Speaker 2: not McLellan. He wanted Robert E. Lee. He's like, I
Speaker 2: want that guy, and Lee said, no, I'm fighting for
Speaker 2: the other side. Sorry, best of luck. They had great leadership,
Speaker 2: They had an excellent, excellent initial crop of troops. For
Speaker 2: this simple fact, the South was more rural than the North.
Speaker 2: It wasn't that there weren't rural areas in the North,
Speaker 2: but the North is going to be more, bigger cities,
Speaker 2: bigger industrial areas, and rural troops have all ways made
Speaker 2: better troops. I don't care if that offends you. I
Speaker 2: know there are a main exceptions, so don't email me.
Speaker 2: I'm from Brooklyn, and I know I know, I know
Speaker 2: there are exceptions. But this is just simply easy to
Speaker 2: explain rural troops go into the military already ten steps
Speaker 2: ahead of the urban troop, because he's more comfortable with firearms,
Speaker 2: he's more comfortable sleeping outdoors, he's more he's just more
Speaker 2: comfortable with a lot of things that are part and
Speaker 2: parcel for the military. When I was in the Marine Corps,
Speaker 2: we would do things like we would go out to
Speaker 2: the field and do field ops. Well, I grew up
Speaker 2: hunting and fishing and camping in the mountains of Montana.
Speaker 3: That's what we were always doing. I grew up.
Speaker 2: Shooting with my dad. Firearms were I was familiar with them.
Speaker 2: And it wasn't that my buddy from Chicago, I've about
Speaker 2: to said his name about my buddy from Chicago, wasn't
Speaker 2: like that. He wasn't just as good or even a
Speaker 2: better marine than I was. I started out so far
Speaker 2: ahead of him. He never even there are bugs. Yeah
Speaker 2: there are bugs. We're outside, but of course there are bugs.
Speaker 2: It's just different. The South had better troops initially, but
Speaker 2: as the war progressed, the South simply couldn't replace those
Speaker 2: troops and couldn't More importantly, and this is going to
Speaker 2: come into play in our story, they couldn't replace the
Speaker 2: stuff you need to fight a war. You know, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you something right now. If you were in a
Speaker 2: situation where it was just you and your mother, You
Speaker 2: and your mother, You're in a bunker, very safe, secure bunker,
Speaker 2: and you have all the food and water you could
Speaker 2: ever want. And who are the baddest people on the planet.
Speaker 2: Delta fores we use Delta phores and Delta forhes showed
Speaker 2: up outside of your bunker trying to get you out.
Speaker 3: They didn't have much food, they didn't have much water.
Speaker 2: They better get you out quickly or you know, you're
Speaker 2: going to defeat Delta force. Even the toughest guy on
Speaker 2: the planet has to eat or he dies. Even the
Speaker 2: toughest guy on the planet has to drink water or
Speaker 2: he dies. The South started to lose. Now, let's go
Speaker 2: to Richmond, Virginia. Richmond, Virginia was the capital of the
Speaker 2: South during the Civil War, and there is all kinds
Speaker 2: of fighting that take place around Richmond, Virginia. We're going
Speaker 2: to focus right now for our purposes on the year
Speaker 2: eighteen sixty three. Though, okay, don't worry about the date.
Speaker 2: It's not important. But the year is eighteen sixty three
Speaker 2: and there's all this fighting around Richmond, Virginia. Now, we
Speaker 2: because we are so blessed to be here in this country,
Speaker 2: we don't we don't necessarily understand the logistics of food.
Speaker 2: Just focus on food right now. We don't think about
Speaker 2: the logistics of it right because what do you do
Speaker 2: when you want something to eat? You go down to
Speaker 2: a restaurant, or you go to the grocery store. Or
Speaker 2: I realized it'd be a bodega if you're in New
Speaker 2: York City listening to me or something like that.
Speaker 3: But there's a.
Speaker 2: Store close to you where you go buy meat and
Speaker 2: eggs and cheese and bread and things. Okay, you got
Speaker 2: me there, But where did that food that's in your
Speaker 2: store come from? Well? See, this is why we don't
Speaker 2: realize how spoiled we are. Everywhere. I can go down
Speaker 2: to Agib. AGB is a huge grocery store chain in Texas.
Speaker 2: I can go down to AGB. I have one fifteen
Speaker 2: minutes from my house. I can go down to CHIB
Speaker 2: right now, and I can pick up ingredients, food ingredients
Speaker 2: from not just all over the country, all over the world.
Speaker 2: I can grab an avocado from Mexico. I can go
Speaker 2: get all of oil from Italy. I can go get
Speaker 2: if I want to spend the money, I can walk
Speaker 2: into hb in Texas and access food items that come
Speaker 2: from all over the planet. That is not how most
Speaker 2: human beings have lived throughout history. Most food throughout history,
Speaker 2: because of the logistics of getting food to and fro,
Speaker 2: most food throughout history is locally sourced, locally sourced.
Speaker 3: So what's this mean? I mean today.
Speaker 2: Today we have kind of an older way of thinking
Speaker 2: when it comes to where do you get the best
Speaker 2: this or best at Like where can you get the
Speaker 2: best lobster role? Most people will say, well, you got
Speaker 2: to go to Maine, that's where the lobster is. Oh,
Speaker 2: you got to go to Boston's where the lobster is.
Speaker 2: I just went to Boston. He to lobster roll. Best
Speaker 2: lobster role I've ever had in my life is in
Speaker 2: a parking lot here in Houston, Texas. Why there's a
Speaker 2: place of food truck here. They fly in freshman lobster
Speaker 2: every morning. I can have a lobster role just as
Speaker 2: fresh as your main lobster right here, right here. It
Speaker 2: was not always like that. You have to get local stuff.
Speaker 2: We'll go back to Virginia. We'll back to Richmond here
Speaker 2: in a minute and get to Andersonville. It is the
Speaker 2: Jesse Kelly Show talking some.
Speaker 3: Andersonville history tonight.
Speaker 2: Remember you can email the show love hey, death threats,
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Speaker 2: I'ven't decided what's going to be next after this one,
Speaker 2: at least as far as history goes. We'll get back
Speaker 2: to politics in just a little bit. So Richmond, Virginia
Speaker 2: is the capital of the South during the Civil War
Speaker 2: and they are having a problem. You see, all these
Speaker 2: battles are popping up. The South doesn't have the industry.
Speaker 2: They don't have the stuff they need, not just for
Speaker 2: the troops, for their own civilians. As I mentioned, logistics
Speaker 2: is not sexy, but it is important. The people who
Speaker 2: live in Virginia, the people who live around Richmond, they
Speaker 2: don't don't have enough stuff. And what they're encountering is
Speaker 2: there are lots and lots of POWs from the North
Speaker 2: held in camps around Richmond, and they're hoovering up.
Speaker 3: All the food. I heard.
Speaker 2: Look, I heard a bunch of different estimates. I've been
Speaker 2: doing so much reading and studying things on this. I
Speaker 2: heard one in five, I heard one in ten. Whatever,
Speaker 2: the number is, one in five or one in ten
Speaker 2: people around Richmond was a Union pow at one point
Speaker 2: in time. That's ten to twenty percent of the population
Speaker 2: you're trying to feed. There's not enough food already, not
Speaker 2: enough food for the civilians, not enough plus plus you're
Speaker 2: really close to the north, you're close to the northern lines.
Speaker 2: They're worried about these POWs escaping. They're being a rebellion.
Speaker 2: What if the Union freese these camps. What if the Okay,
Speaker 2: so we got to move them. We have to move
Speaker 2: them south. Now there's another part of the res and
Speaker 2: they had to move them, and that was it's known
Speaker 2: as the dix Hill System, the dix Hill Exchange System,
Speaker 2: you could also call it. Those were who those were.
Speaker 2: It was one Union guy and one Confederate guy, and
Speaker 2: what they had was a prisoner exchange system they had established.
Speaker 2: It's actually really fascinating. I took a huge nerdy deep
Speaker 2: dive into it, which I won't get into with you
Speaker 2: because you would hate me for it. But it essentially
Speaker 2: came down to this, Hey, let's understand, hopefully we're going
Speaker 2: to come together after this. Let's understand we want to
Speaker 2: exchange troops. Let's come up with a value for every
Speaker 2: type of soldier based on their rank, and from time
Speaker 2: to time, let's do in exchange. Now, when I say
Speaker 2: a value, I mean this, the officers are going to
Speaker 2: be worth more in that value system than an enlisted man.
Speaker 2: You know, a general is going to be worth or
Speaker 2: they're a private. So let's say at general's worth one
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty points and a private's worth five points. Okay,
Speaker 2: will you go find me ten privates.
Speaker 3: Wait, that wouldn't be right. It's more than ten, Chris.
Speaker 2: Ten five, Go find me thirty privates. That adds up
Speaker 2: to one fifty. I'll give you your general back. You
Speaker 2: see what I mean. A prisoner exchange system. They had
Speaker 2: different locations for the prison exchange system. Where I show
Speaker 2: up with my guys, you show up with your guys.
Speaker 2: There's a representative from each time we exchange prisoners. Okay,
Speaker 2: we're gonna go.
Speaker 3: You got it.
Speaker 2: Prisoner exchange system. It broke down. It broke down for
Speaker 2: several different reasons. One of the main ones is they
Speaker 2: begin to lie. Each side begin to lie because you're
Speaker 2: trying to fudge the values. Fudge the numbers if you will,
Speaker 2: so you can get more valuable people back and not
Speaker 2: give them valuable people. So that's a big part of it.
Speaker 2: Another part of it was the North had people in
Speaker 2: its army. The South obviously did not. The South did
Speaker 2: not treat black POWs as if they were POW's. They
Speaker 2: essentially treated them like they were escape ees. It treated
Speaker 2: them like they were property. They would just flat out
Speaker 2: kill them. That angered the North. And those are the
Speaker 2: reasons you mainly read. But there is one reason above all.
Speaker 2: The decision was made to essentially shut down the prison
Speaker 2: exchange system. And none of the none of the good
Speaker 2: reasons they try to give you are as cold and
Speaker 2: calculating as the real reason the prison exchange systems shut down.
Speaker 2: The real reason was this, Lincoln or Ulysses S. Grant,
Speaker 2: depending on who you believe, the North shut down the
Speaker 2: prison exchange system because the North had more men. The
Speaker 2: North had more men than the South. So oh, if
Speaker 2: we simply stop exchanging people, even if every one of
Speaker 2: our Union soldiers die in Southern captivity, we can replace them.
Speaker 2: You can't replace your men. Think about the World War
Speaker 2: two comparison we made if Japan has three aircraft carriers
Speaker 2: and can't replace them. If America has three and can
Speaker 2: replace them, and let's say they're captured by the other side,
Speaker 2: America would probably say, well keep our aircraft carriers. I
Speaker 2: don't care, you can't build more. That same system happened,
Speaker 2: and so again it was either a Blincoln.
Speaker 3: The sources are all weird.
Speaker 2: It was either a Blincoln or Ulysses s. Grant, depending
Speaker 2: on who you believe that. Everyone has a different opinion.
Speaker 2: But the North shut down the prison exchange system. There's
Speaker 2: no more dix Hill prison exchange system. You South, we
Speaker 2: are keeping all your prisoners, and guess what you can
Speaker 2: keep ours? We will outlast you. We have more men,
Speaker 2: we have more stuff. Best of luck to you. So
Speaker 2: now the South has to figure out what to do
Speaker 2: because it's not like you just have the men you
Speaker 2: currently have. The South is still winning battles, the South
Speaker 2: is still taking in prisoners.
Speaker 3: What to do? What to do?
Speaker 2: They found a big spot in Georgia and decided this
Speaker 2: was going to be their spot. And now we have
Speaker 2: to go to hell known as Andersonville. It is the
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Speaker 3: So the South.
Speaker 2: It's eighteen sixty three. They have too many Union prisoners.
Speaker 2: The Union won't exchange them anymore because they know they
Speaker 2: have more men in the and they win. The prisoners
Speaker 2: around Richmond are eating up all the food. The residents
Speaker 2: are upset. The prisoners are too close to the northern lines.
Speaker 2: And so they find a place outside of a small
Speaker 2: town in Georgia called Andersonville, and they think to themselves, well,
Speaker 2: this is where we'll put them all.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: I can't stress how terrible the supply situation was for
Speaker 2: the South at this time. When they began construction of
Speaker 2: the Andersonville prison camp. The troops themselves were not getting
Speaker 2: enough food, blankets, clothing that the South didn't have enough stuff.
Speaker 2: Without another major nation partnering with the South, the South
Speaker 2: was never going to win the Civil War. It simply
Speaker 2: was not possible logistically for them to do so. Try
Speaker 2: as they may, valiant as they may have fought, they.
Speaker 3: Were never going to win this war.
Speaker 2: And now, well, the stuff situation is getting worse and
Speaker 2: worse and worse. They start building this camp at first,
Speaker 2: they just put a big wall. The camp is shaped
Speaker 2: like a rectangle. And some of this stuff is going
Speaker 2: to be really really important, so you're gonna have to
Speaker 2: pay attention to it. The camp is shaped like it's
Speaker 2: a big rectangle. Okay, it's in essentially a big open field.
Speaker 3: There's a slope to it. There is.
Speaker 2: You can go look at it to this day. In fact,
Speaker 2: there's a million YouTube videos on it. You can go
Speaker 2: look at exactly what I'm talking about. But picture a
Speaker 2: big open field in Georgia, surrounded by woods, and they
Speaker 2: just start building a wall, a wall without anything in it.
Speaker 2: There's a place for the campguards and such to sleep,
Speaker 2: but everything else is just a big open field.
Speaker 3: And and some of this is gonna get gross.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, but I have to describe what our Americans
Speaker 2: have gone through. There was a stream going through the camp,
Speaker 2: you know, the long side of the rectangle and the
Speaker 2: short side of the rectangle, the.
Speaker 3: Short lines on the rectangle.
Speaker 2: The stream paralleled the short lines and it divided the
Speaker 2: camp into a little stream. The camp is half built
Speaker 2: in February of eighteen sixty four. But the South can't
Speaker 2: wait any longer. They began to start shuttling prisoners into
Speaker 2: this camp. There is a train station nearby. They show
Speaker 2: up on the trains, they bring them into the camp. Already,
Speaker 2: we have a humanitarian nightmare on our hands. As I
Speaker 2: just said, there's no quarters, there's no barracks, there's nothing
Speaker 2: but a field. This place was designed to hold ten
Speaker 2: thousand troops.
Speaker 3: At its peak.
Speaker 2: It held thirty three thousand troops. Thirty three thousand troops
Speaker 2: with no cover, no facilities, no nothing, herded in like
Speaker 2: cattle to a fenced in open field in Georgia. In Georgia,
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this, it gets really
Speaker 2: really hot, It gets really really cold. It's not just
Speaker 2: that they don't have a roof over their heads, they
Speaker 2: don't have the proper clothing. And remember we talked about
Speaker 2: how the troops and the civilians weren't eating. Well, here's
Speaker 2: the thing about prisons, and this is true today. What
Speaker 2: are the worst prisons in the world today. They're from
Speaker 2: poor countries. Why well, when you don't have the money
Speaker 2: to create a decent prison, decent beds, decent food, a
Speaker 2: poor country's not going to take its limited resources and
Speaker 2: put any of those resources into prisons and prisoners they're
Speaker 2: simply going to build cages and toss them whatever scraps
Speaker 2: of food they happen to have left. The worst prisons
Speaker 2: are poor prisons. What we're dealing with here is logistically
Speaker 2: an unbelievably poor country in the South. They don't have
Speaker 2: enough food. Our guys don't have housing, they don't have clothes,
Speaker 2: and they get a tiny minuscule amount of food every day.
Speaker 2: It essentially amounts to a little bit of salt in
Speaker 2: corn meal, But most of the time they couldn't even
Speaker 2: cook the corn meal into a cake or something because
Speaker 2: firewood was also forbidden in Andersonville. They didn't want prisoners
Speaker 2: starting fires and escaping. Now let's get gross. The stream
Speaker 2: thirty three thousand men, one stream, one stream. In order
Speaker 2: to get water for yourself, bathe, that is important. You
Speaker 2: have to clean your body, laundry. Remember we don't have
Speaker 2: changes of clothes. You better get naked at some point
Speaker 2: in time, clean your clothes one stream to use as
Speaker 2: a bathroom. Now pause for a moment. This is one
Speaker 2: of those things that is really really gross, and it's
Speaker 2: about to be a little gross. I'm sorry, but we
Speaker 2: do have to discuss it. It's the least sexy part
Speaker 2: of war. Bathroom waste. What do you do with it?
Speaker 2: It's one of the things America is so good at
Speaker 2: because we've spent so many years studying it in logistics
Speaker 2: and whatnot. I remember one of the first things we
Speaker 2: did when we were in Iraq and we left Bagdad
Speaker 2: and we went to some tiny dump of a town
Speaker 2: called Najaf. We seized control of a walled in farmer's
Speaker 2: market they had, and it was day one. Immediately, where
Speaker 2: are we using the bathroom? Build bathroom facilities over and
Speaker 2: now they weren't nice, don't get me wrong. It wasn't
Speaker 2: flushable toilets or anything like that. But let's immediately designate
Speaker 2: a place because we have to isolate the waste where
Speaker 2: all that disease in bacteria grows. If you are in
Speaker 2: a big fenced in camp without flushable toilets, there's no
Speaker 2: indoor plumbing. You have to have to use the stream
Speaker 2: as essentially your flushable toilet. When you use the bathroom,
Speaker 2: you have to use it into the stream, so all
Speaker 2: that bacteria fodder flows out in a way from you.
Speaker 3: Well that's a problem, but look, this is the military.
Speaker 2: We have adult men in there, men in charge the prisoners.
Speaker 3: So they knew they had to.
Speaker 2: Come up with a system, obviously, and the system is
Speaker 2: it's a pretty obvious system, one you've probably figured out
Speaker 2: for yourself. Let's go as far upstream as we can.
Speaker 2: That is where we will pull the water out to drink. Right,
Speaker 2: that's where we'll pull it out to drink. The next
Speaker 2: system down, that's where we will clean ourselves. The next
Speaker 2: system down, that's where we will clean our clothes. And
Speaker 2: then as far down stream as you can possibly get
Speaker 2: in the camp, that's where we will use the stream
Speaker 2: as a toilet.
Speaker 3: They weren't morons. They knew what they were doing.
Speaker 2: They understood that's how it had to be set up,
Speaker 2: and in fact, they constructed for themselves what essentially is
Speaker 2: a a wooden wall system along the stream. You can
Speaker 2: go look it up by the way if you'd like to.
Speaker 2: Right now you'll see men washing their clothes and men
Speaker 2: sitting over the wall going boopy in the street.
Speaker 3: You can go look at a picture of it.
Speaker 2: To this day in Andersonville, they had a system set up.
Speaker 2: But I want to again stress it was a system
Speaker 2: designed for ten thousand men, not thirty three thousand men.
Speaker 2: And there was a flaw in the stream system the
Speaker 2: Union troops could not possibly hold or could not possibly help.
Speaker 2: It is a Jesse Kelly show on a wonderful Wednesday,
Speaker 2: Hoday doing a little history right now, we'll get back
Speaker 2: to politics here. I mean guess ten minutes that hopefully
Speaker 2: I'll finish this up ten to twenty minutes and then
Speaker 2: we'll get back to more politics. Talking about Andersonville Pow Camp. Essentially,
Speaker 2: it was known as Camp Sumter. We call it Andersonville
Speaker 2: in the South. In World War Two. The camp is
Speaker 2: supposed to be ten thousand men expanse to thirty three
Speaker 2: thousand the South. They do bring in some more resources
Speaker 2: for the camp as far as wood and materials go,
Speaker 2: but materials are rare and they only use the materials
Speaker 2: to expand the wall system. Now I mentioned the stream,
Speaker 2: and I mentioned the diet human beings. We talk about
Speaker 2: this all the time when we talk about our own nutrition.
Speaker 2: When I tell you about chalk, when I tell you
Speaker 2: about rough greens for your dog. You have to have things.
Speaker 2: You need things. Your body has to have certain vitamins
Speaker 2: and minerals your diet. You have to have them in there,
Speaker 2: and if you don't, you will begin to see physical
Speaker 2: evidence of it. Scurvy. Have you ever heard of scurvy?
Speaker 2: It's awful. Your gums swell up, your teeth fall out,
Speaker 2: your mouth bleeds. Why do you get that you don't
Speaker 2: get vitamin C? It was one of the big struggles
Speaker 2: of oceanic explorer explorers, guys who got on those old
Speaker 2: sailing chips. How do you keep fruit good long enough
Speaker 2: so we can get vitamin C in our diet. They
Speaker 2: may not have known everything we know about medicine, but
Speaker 2: they knew without fruit, the clock is ticking. We will
Speaker 2: get sick and die scurvy. Scurvy becomes everywhere. It spreads
Speaker 2: like wildfire and Andersonville. Another thing that starts to spread
Speaker 2: like wildfire is disease, several different kinds. But for our
Speaker 2: purposes here, I hope you're not eating. We're going to
Speaker 2: discuss dysentery.
Speaker 3: Now.
Speaker 2: I've had dysentery. That's one of the two parasites I've had.
Speaker 2: I know that you know what it's like to be
Speaker 2: physically sick in a way where you have to use
Speaker 2: the toilet.
Speaker 3: Okay, I'll just put it that way. No, you know
Speaker 3: what that's like.
Speaker 2: Everyone knows what that's like everyone's had a bad chili dog, right,
Speaker 2: I know you know what that's like. I can't stress
Speaker 2: to you enough when I tell you that is not
Speaker 2: what dysentery is like. If you took if you took
Speaker 2: a little midget and you shrunk him down even more
Speaker 2: so he's a four inch tall midget and you gave
Speaker 2: him two gigantic swords and then swallowed him. Imagine that
Speaker 2: little midget jamming his swords into your gut. That's what
Speaker 2: dysentery feels like. And when it's time to go, it's
Speaker 2: not a hold out for five minute type thing. You
Speaker 2: are in physical agony and you better be at the
Speaker 2: toilet or it's going to be a problem. And it's
Speaker 2: not a one off where normally when you get sick
Speaker 2: in that way, you it's sick. And even if you're
Speaker 2: super sick, you've got twenty minutes half hour before you
Speaker 2: have to worry about it again. You'll go five minutes later,
Speaker 2: go again, five minutes later, go again. You can't you
Speaker 2: can't stop. Now what else it's doing. On top of
Speaker 2: sucking nutrients out of your body, it's sucking water out
Speaker 2: of your body, and it's contagious thirty three thousand men.
Speaker 2: You can't get to the stream every time you have
Speaker 2: to go when there's thirty three thousand men. And even if,
Speaker 2: by the grace of God, you manage to get to
Speaker 2: the stream, it's not possible for you to locate the
Speaker 2: exact spot on the stream where you're supposed to go.
Speaker 2: I had to describe it because I wanted to drive
Speaker 2: this point home. You're going, no matter what, you are going,
Speaker 2: stream not stream, whatever.
Speaker 3: You're doing, you are going the midget stabbing you. You
Speaker 3: are going.
Speaker 2: What the men describe all of them when they arrive
Speaker 2: in Andersonville. The new Andersonville POWs all of them. Every
Speaker 2: single thing I read was smell. Andersonville became oh my gosh,
Speaker 2: I have the squeamis just thinking about it. Andersonville became
Speaker 2: a mud bog, not of mud. Could you imagine what
Speaker 2: it would be like to live in a mud bog
Speaker 2: of diarrhea? On top of the disgustingness of that, the
Speaker 2: smell of that, the disease that would spread. You're not
Speaker 2: getting nutrition, You're not getting water. Now the water you
Speaker 2: have is already bad. And oh, I meant to mention
Speaker 2: to you, you know how they had set up that
Speaker 2: system where the clean waters on one side, and then
Speaker 2: the laundry and then the toilet.
Speaker 3: The Confederate Army.
Speaker 2: They set up a camp upstream, and they were using
Speaker 2: the stream the same way.
Speaker 3: So even where you thought you were.
Speaker 2: Getting clean drinking water, you were still getting the toilet
Speaker 2: residue from the Confederate camp that was up the way.
Speaker 3: Do you want to hear a.
Speaker 2: Jaw dropping stat before we try to wrap this thing up.
Speaker 2: We've talked many times about the Japanese in World War
Speaker 2: Two and their unimaginable cruelty, especially to POW's. Most people know,
Speaker 2: some don't that if you actually, if you were an
Speaker 2: American and you were captured by the Nazis, there was
Speaker 2: very little cruelty, believe it or not. You were treated
Speaker 2: quite well. Two percent death rate. They fed you, clothed you,
Speaker 2: you were warm, you were there. Are are our Allied
Speaker 2: POWs were treated quite well in Europe. In Japan, you
Speaker 2: know what, the death rate was twenty six percent. A
Speaker 2: quarter of them who went in there died. You know
Speaker 2: what the death rate was in Andersonville twenty nine. Andersonville
Speaker 2: had a death rate that exceeded Japanese pow camps in
Speaker 2: World War Two, men dying in droves, a third of
Speaker 2: them gone. The disease was terrible. And then that brings
Speaker 2: us to maybe the worst part of this whole thing,
Speaker 2: And it really might be. And I swear I'll try
Speaker 2: to wrap this up next. What happens when men become desperate,
Speaker 2: desperate from disease, desperate from hunger, even your disciplined military
Speaker 2: men with unity. What happens when men become desperate enough.
Speaker 2: We will talk about that as we this up in
Speaker 2: a moment. Now, all this talk of vitamins and minerals
Speaker 2: and digestive issues hopefully has you thinking about rough greens.
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Speaker 2: you don't look at your dog and think, well, his
Speaker 2: coat is dull because you're with your dog every day.
Speaker 2: But your dog's coat is dull because your dog doesn't
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Speaker 2: to wrap up Innersonville next