WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:04.879 It is the Jesse Kelly Show, another hour of The 2 00:00:05.000 --> 00:00:09.839 Jesse Kelly Show on a fantastic Wednesday, and it is 3 00:00:10.039 --> 00:00:11.800 time to check out. 4 00:00:12.240 --> 00:00:14.960 Meaning it's time to check out of current events in 5 00:00:15.039 --> 00:00:17.440 the news of the day. I will get back to 6 00:00:17.519 --> 00:00:21.039 talk about these things. The police officer who's in illegal, 7 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:24.320 We're gonna talk about four thousand troops parked off the 8 00:00:24.359 --> 00:00:25.559 coast of Venezuela. 9 00:00:25.760 --> 00:00:28.679 We're gonna talk about Adam Schiff maybe going to prison. 10 00:00:29.079 --> 00:00:31.879 We're gonna do some emails, We're gonna do other things, 11 00:00:31.960 --> 00:00:35.479 but all that is going to have to wait, because 12 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:40.399 now it is time to do history. I don't know 13 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:43.560 how long it's gonna take. Maybe half hour, maybe an hour, 14 00:00:44.119 --> 00:00:46.600 I don't know. It's not a longer one like the 15 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:49.960 other ones have been. But let me ask you something. 16 00:00:51.479 --> 00:00:55.039 Have you ever have you ever been fascinated with the 17 00:00:55.079 --> 00:01:01.039 origin of words, of terms that are commonly used. I'm 18 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:03.960 rarely fascinated by it. I'll be honest with you, as in, 19 00:01:04.159 --> 00:01:06.400 I don't want to look into it, but then I'll 20 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:10.719 discover the origin of a term, and I'll be all, Wow, 21 00:01:11.599 --> 00:01:17.120 that's amazing. Have you ever used the word deadline? I'm 22 00:01:17.159 --> 00:01:20.799 on a deadline. I have a deadline. I'm on a deadline. 23 00:01:21.959 --> 00:01:24.120 Would you like to hear where that term came from? 24 00:01:25.840 --> 00:01:30.159 You're about to find out today. Now, this is a 25 00:01:30.200 --> 00:01:35.519 Civil War story, and so we have to do quite 26 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:37.519 a bit of background, or at least a little bit 27 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:40.760 of background to kind of set up the situation. 28 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:41.280 Here. 29 00:01:42.439 --> 00:01:47.040 We are going to discuss Andersonville. It was actually officially 30 00:01:47.359 --> 00:01:50.599 Camp Sumter. No it's not Fort Sumter, but Camp Sumter, 31 00:01:50.680 --> 00:01:53.439 but it's known by the name of the small town 32 00:01:53.519 --> 00:01:58.200 in Georgia that is close to where it was located, Andersonville. 33 00:01:59.040 --> 00:02:04.359 It was a a Confederate prisoner of war camp. That 34 00:02:04.519 --> 00:02:06.879 is going to be the subject we're going through today. 35 00:02:06.920 --> 00:02:10.039 But before we get to there, let's talk about kind 36 00:02:10.039 --> 00:02:12.159 of the war, the way it went, the way it 37 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:14.879 was set up, and what was happening at the time. 38 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:20.159 So obviously, you know North facing the South Civil War. 39 00:02:21.199 --> 00:02:24.560 A lot of people don't know unless you've looked into it, 40 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:27.400 unless you've kind of expanded beyond a little more than 41 00:02:27.439 --> 00:02:30.319 you'll probably get in a history class. They don't know 42 00:02:30.520 --> 00:02:34.039 that the South never had much of a chance in 43 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:39.039 the Civil War. That was because of logistics and manpower. 44 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:43.199 They didn't have the industry, they didn't have the wealth. 45 00:02:43.479 --> 00:02:47.039 I would actually compare it to what we've talked about 46 00:02:47.080 --> 00:02:49.960 before when it comes to Japan VERSUS America and World 47 00:02:49.960 --> 00:02:54.759 War Two. Japan had an excellent front line. You know, 48 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:59.719 great navy, great fighter planes, initially, great troops. They were 49 00:02:59.719 --> 00:03:01.680 really good and a lot of ways they were better 50 00:03:01.719 --> 00:03:06.479 than we were initially. But the problem is if you 51 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:11.120 are better but you can't build more stuff. You don't 52 00:03:11.159 --> 00:03:14.280 have enough stuff to make more stuff, more ships, more planes, 53 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:18.000 more bullets, more everything. Things are going to break. If 54 00:03:18.039 --> 00:03:22.960 you can't replace it, you will lose. The longer it 55 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:25.879 goes on. You can't win the longer it goes on, 56 00:03:26.879 --> 00:03:30.240 and you can be worse. You can be a worse fighter, 57 00:03:30.319 --> 00:03:33.120 you can even in some ways have worse stuff than 58 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:36.199 someone else does. But if you can just build more 59 00:03:36.280 --> 00:03:40.800 stuff and replace more stuff, then if it goes on long. 60 00:03:40.719 --> 00:03:41.439 Enough, you'll win. 61 00:03:41.919 --> 00:03:44.120 If you have a great cutting edge and nothing behind it, 62 00:03:44.199 --> 00:03:47.599 you better win quickly, quickly, fast, because if it goes on, 63 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:49.800 because time is your enemy. I'll put it to you 64 00:03:49.879 --> 00:03:53.919 that way. That's exactly what the South was. Pretty much 65 00:03:53.960 --> 00:03:56.560 what the South was facing. When it comes to the 66 00:03:56.599 --> 00:03:59.759 Civil War or the War of Northern Aggression, depending on 67 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:03.680 where you're listening to the sound of my voice. The 68 00:04:03.800 --> 00:04:07.400 story was in the beginning, and this I don't know 69 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:09.000 that you can really debate this. Of course, you can 70 00:04:09.039 --> 00:04:12.840 debate anything. But the South had better military leaders. They 71 00:04:12.840 --> 00:04:16.879 had better generals, Robert E. Lee in particular, but I 72 00:04:16.879 --> 00:04:19.680 mean so many under him, Stonewall Jackson, so many others. 73 00:04:19.920 --> 00:04:24.279 Remember Lincoln's first pick to lead the Union Army was 74 00:04:24.360 --> 00:04:28.040 not McLellan. He wanted Robert E. Lee. He's like, I 75 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.399 want that guy, and Lee said, no, I'm fighting for 76 00:04:31.439 --> 00:04:35.319 the other side. Sorry, best of luck. They had great leadership, 77 00:04:36.120 --> 00:04:42.360 They had an excellent, excellent initial crop of troops. For 78 00:04:42.439 --> 00:04:47.560 this simple fact, the South was more rural than the North. 79 00:04:48.079 --> 00:04:50.600 It wasn't that there weren't rural areas in the North, 80 00:04:50.639 --> 00:04:53.600 but the North is going to be more, bigger cities, 81 00:04:53.920 --> 00:05:01.560 bigger industrial areas, and rural troops have all ways made 82 00:05:01.639 --> 00:05:04.680 better troops. I don't care if that offends you. I 83 00:05:04.800 --> 00:05:07.319 know there are a main exceptions, so don't email me. 84 00:05:07.399 --> 00:05:10.160 I'm from Brooklyn, and I know I know, I know 85 00:05:10.240 --> 00:05:13.600 there are exceptions. But this is just simply easy to 86 00:05:13.680 --> 00:05:21.959 explain rural troops go into the military already ten steps 87 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:27.879 ahead of the urban troop, because he's more comfortable with firearms, 88 00:05:28.040 --> 00:05:31.920 he's more comfortable sleeping outdoors, he's more he's just more 89 00:05:31.959 --> 00:05:34.519 comfortable with a lot of things that are part and 90 00:05:34.600 --> 00:05:37.480 parcel for the military. When I was in the Marine Corps, 91 00:05:38.000 --> 00:05:39.600 we would do things like we would go out to 92 00:05:39.639 --> 00:05:42.480 the field and do field ops. Well, I grew up 93 00:05:42.560 --> 00:05:45.920 hunting and fishing and camping in the mountains of Montana. 94 00:05:45.920 --> 00:05:48.120 That's what we were always doing. I grew up. 95 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:52.199 Shooting with my dad. Firearms were I was familiar with them. 96 00:05:52.639 --> 00:05:56.839 And it wasn't that my buddy from Chicago, I've about 97 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:59.439 to said his name about my buddy from Chicago, wasn't 98 00:05:59.519 --> 00:06:01.560 like that. He wasn't just as good or even a 99 00:06:01.560 --> 00:06:04.319 better marine than I was. I started out so far 100 00:06:04.360 --> 00:06:06.800 ahead of him. He never even there are bugs. Yeah 101 00:06:06.800 --> 00:06:09.519 there are bugs. We're outside, but of course there are bugs. 102 00:06:10.680 --> 00:06:14.480 It's just different. The South had better troops initially, but 103 00:06:14.759 --> 00:06:19.879 as the war progressed, the South simply couldn't replace those 104 00:06:19.959 --> 00:06:23.000 troops and couldn't More importantly, and this is going to 105 00:06:23.079 --> 00:06:25.839 come into play in our story, they couldn't replace the 106 00:06:25.920 --> 00:06:29.680 stuff you need to fight a war. You know, I'll 107 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:32.519 tell you something right now. If you were in a 108 00:06:32.560 --> 00:06:37.639 situation where it was just you and your mother, You 109 00:06:37.680 --> 00:06:41.759 and your mother, You're in a bunker, very safe, secure bunker, 110 00:06:42.439 --> 00:06:44.800 and you have all the food and water you could 111 00:06:44.839 --> 00:06:48.199 ever want. And who are the baddest people on the planet. 112 00:06:48.240 --> 00:06:51.920 Delta fores we use Delta phores and Delta forhes showed 113 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:54.879 up outside of your bunker trying to get you out. 114 00:06:55.879 --> 00:06:58.759 They didn't have much food, they didn't have much water. 115 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:02.000 They better get you out quickly or you know, you're 116 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:06.079 going to defeat Delta force. Even the toughest guy on 117 00:07:06.120 --> 00:07:10.120 the planet has to eat or he dies. Even the 118 00:07:10.160 --> 00:07:13.120 toughest guy on the planet has to drink water or 119 00:07:13.160 --> 00:07:17.680 he dies. The South started to lose. Now, let's go 120 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:23.279 to Richmond, Virginia. Richmond, Virginia was the capital of the 121 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:28.240 South during the Civil War, and there is all kinds 122 00:07:28.279 --> 00:07:32.319 of fighting that take place around Richmond, Virginia. We're going 123 00:07:32.360 --> 00:07:35.240 to focus right now for our purposes on the year 124 00:07:35.360 --> 00:07:39.000 eighteen sixty three. Though, okay, don't worry about the date. 125 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:41.680 It's not important. But the year is eighteen sixty three 126 00:07:42.480 --> 00:07:46.959 and there's all this fighting around Richmond, Virginia. Now, we 127 00:07:47.519 --> 00:07:50.279 because we are so blessed to be here in this country, 128 00:07:50.800 --> 00:07:56.720 we don't we don't necessarily understand the logistics of food. 129 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:59.879 Just focus on food right now. We don't think about 130 00:08:00.040 --> 00:08:02.160 the logistics of it right because what do you do 131 00:08:02.639 --> 00:08:05.959 when you want something to eat? You go down to 132 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:10.199 a restaurant, or you go to the grocery store. Or 133 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:12.480 I realized it'd be a bodega if you're in New 134 00:08:12.560 --> 00:08:14.279 York City listening to me or something like that. 135 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:15.279 But there's a. 136 00:08:15.160 --> 00:08:19.079 Store close to you where you go buy meat and 137 00:08:19.120 --> 00:08:22.879 eggs and cheese and bread and things. Okay, you got 138 00:08:22.879 --> 00:08:26.800 me there, But where did that food that's in your 139 00:08:26.920 --> 00:08:29.519 store come from? Well? See, this is why we don't 140 00:08:29.519 --> 00:08:33.200 realize how spoiled we are. Everywhere. I can go down 141 00:08:33.279 --> 00:08:38.360 to Agib. AGB is a huge grocery store chain in Texas. 142 00:08:38.799 --> 00:08:41.120 I can go down to AGB. I have one fifteen 143 00:08:41.120 --> 00:08:43.559 minutes from my house. I can go down to CHIB 144 00:08:43.759 --> 00:08:48.240 right now, and I can pick up ingredients, food ingredients 145 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:52.120 from not just all over the country, all over the world. 146 00:08:52.399 --> 00:08:55.320 I can grab an avocado from Mexico. I can go 147 00:08:55.360 --> 00:08:57.879 get all of oil from Italy. I can go get 148 00:08:58.120 --> 00:09:00.720 if I want to spend the money, I can walk 149 00:09:00.759 --> 00:09:05.279 into hb in Texas and access food items that come 150 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:10.039 from all over the planet. That is not how most 151 00:09:10.200 --> 00:09:15.840 human beings have lived throughout history. Most food throughout history, 152 00:09:16.240 --> 00:09:20.080 because of the logistics of getting food to and fro, 153 00:09:21.039 --> 00:09:28.000 most food throughout history is locally sourced, locally sourced. 154 00:09:28.679 --> 00:09:31.120 So what's this mean? I mean today. 155 00:09:32.559 --> 00:09:34.519 Today we have kind of an older way of thinking 156 00:09:34.519 --> 00:09:36.639 when it comes to where do you get the best 157 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:38.720 this or best at Like where can you get the 158 00:09:38.720 --> 00:09:41.360 best lobster role? Most people will say, well, you got 159 00:09:41.480 --> 00:09:43.720 to go to Maine, that's where the lobster is. Oh, 160 00:09:43.720 --> 00:09:45.840 you got to go to Boston's where the lobster is. 161 00:09:46.039 --> 00:09:49.000 I just went to Boston. He to lobster roll. Best 162 00:09:49.000 --> 00:09:50.600 lobster role I've ever had in my life is in 163 00:09:50.639 --> 00:09:54.720 a parking lot here in Houston, Texas. Why there's a 164 00:09:54.720 --> 00:09:58.240 place of food truck here. They fly in freshman lobster 165 00:09:58.320 --> 00:10:00.080 every morning. I can have a lobster role just as 166 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.679 fresh as your main lobster right here, right here. It 167 00:10:03.720 --> 00:10:06.799 was not always like that. You have to get local stuff. 168 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:09.720 We'll go back to Virginia. We'll back to Richmond here 169 00:10:09.759 --> 00:10:13.600 in a minute and get to Andersonville. It is the 170 00:10:13.840 --> 00:10:16.120 Jesse Kelly Show talking some. 171 00:10:16.399 --> 00:10:18.519 Andersonville history tonight. 172 00:10:18.960 --> 00:10:21.840 Remember you can email the show love hey, death threats, 173 00:10:22.279 --> 00:10:23.080 whatever you'd like. 174 00:10:24.039 --> 00:10:26.360 Jesseat Jesse kellyshow dot com. 175 00:10:26.440 --> 00:10:28.399 I'ven't decided what's going to be next after this one, 176 00:10:28.399 --> 00:10:30.120 at least as far as history goes. We'll get back 177 00:10:30.159 --> 00:10:32.840 to politics in just a little bit. So Richmond, Virginia 178 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:35.639 is the capital of the South during the Civil War 179 00:10:36.240 --> 00:10:39.039 and they are having a problem. You see, all these 180 00:10:39.080 --> 00:10:42.320 battles are popping up. The South doesn't have the industry. 181 00:10:42.360 --> 00:10:45.879 They don't have the stuff they need, not just for 182 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:50.720 the troops, for their own civilians. As I mentioned, logistics 183 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:54.159 is not sexy, but it is important. The people who 184 00:10:54.279 --> 00:10:59.720 live in Virginia, the people who live around Richmond, they 185 00:10:59.720 --> 00:11:03.720 don't don't have enough stuff. And what they're encountering is 186 00:11:04.320 --> 00:11:08.759 there are lots and lots of POWs from the North 187 00:11:09.240 --> 00:11:13.480 held in camps around Richmond, and they're hoovering up. 188 00:11:13.440 --> 00:11:16.080 All the food. I heard. 189 00:11:16.320 --> 00:11:18.200 Look, I heard a bunch of different estimates. I've been 190 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:21.679 doing so much reading and studying things on this. I 191 00:11:21.720 --> 00:11:25.159 heard one in five, I heard one in ten. Whatever, 192 00:11:25.200 --> 00:11:27.799 the number is, one in five or one in ten 193 00:11:27.960 --> 00:11:31.799 people around Richmond was a Union pow at one point 194 00:11:31.799 --> 00:11:35.000 in time. That's ten to twenty percent of the population 195 00:11:35.080 --> 00:11:38.360 you're trying to feed. There's not enough food already, not 196 00:11:38.480 --> 00:11:42.440 enough food for the civilians, not enough plus plus you're 197 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:46.279 really close to the north, you're close to the northern lines. 198 00:11:46.679 --> 00:11:50.559 They're worried about these POWs escaping. They're being a rebellion. 199 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:54.120 What if the Union freese these camps. What if the Okay, 200 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:57.120 so we got to move them. We have to move 201 00:11:57.120 --> 00:12:00.200 them south. Now there's another part of the res and 202 00:12:00.279 --> 00:12:03.919 they had to move them, and that was it's known 203 00:12:04.039 --> 00:12:10.080 as the dix Hill System, the dix Hill Exchange System, 204 00:12:10.120 --> 00:12:13.159 you could also call it. Those were who those were. 205 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:16.919 It was one Union guy and one Confederate guy, and 206 00:12:17.039 --> 00:12:22.159 what they had was a prisoner exchange system they had established. 207 00:12:22.200 --> 00:12:24.960 It's actually really fascinating. I took a huge nerdy deep 208 00:12:24.960 --> 00:12:26.639 dive into it, which I won't get into with you 209 00:12:26.679 --> 00:12:28.960 because you would hate me for it. But it essentially 210 00:12:28.960 --> 00:12:33.039 came down to this, Hey, let's understand, hopefully we're going 211 00:12:33.080 --> 00:12:36.039 to come together after this. Let's understand we want to 212 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:41.559 exchange troops. Let's come up with a value for every 213 00:12:41.759 --> 00:12:46.679 type of soldier based on their rank, and from time 214 00:12:46.720 --> 00:12:49.919 to time, let's do in exchange. Now, when I say 215 00:12:49.919 --> 00:12:53.840 a value, I mean this, the officers are going to 216 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:58.360 be worth more in that value system than an enlisted man. 217 00:12:58.639 --> 00:13:00.159 You know, a general is going to be worth or 218 00:13:00.159 --> 00:13:02.879 they're a private. So let's say at general's worth one 219 00:13:02.960 --> 00:13:06.759 hundred and fifty points and a private's worth five points. Okay, 220 00:13:06.799 --> 00:13:09.519 will you go find me ten privates. 221 00:13:10.120 --> 00:13:12.639 Wait, that wouldn't be right. It's more than ten, Chris. 222 00:13:12.240 --> 00:13:16.440 Ten five, Go find me thirty privates. That adds up 223 00:13:16.440 --> 00:13:18.840 to one fifty. I'll give you your general back. You 224 00:13:19.559 --> 00:13:21.879 see what I mean. A prisoner exchange system. They had 225 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:25.759 different locations for the prison exchange system. Where I show 226 00:13:25.840 --> 00:13:27.759 up with my guys, you show up with your guys. 227 00:13:27.919 --> 00:13:30.679 There's a representative from each time we exchange prisoners. Okay, 228 00:13:30.679 --> 00:13:31.080 we're gonna go. 229 00:13:31.159 --> 00:13:31.480 You got it. 230 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:36.159 Prisoner exchange system. It broke down. It broke down for 231 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:41.440 several different reasons. One of the main ones is they 232 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:45.519 begin to lie. Each side begin to lie because you're 233 00:13:45.720 --> 00:13:49.559 trying to fudge the values. Fudge the numbers if you will, 234 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:53.120 so you can get more valuable people back and not 235 00:13:53.279 --> 00:13:55.919 give them valuable people. So that's a big part of it. 236 00:13:56.679 --> 00:14:00.720 Another part of it was the North had people in 237 00:14:00.799 --> 00:14:07.480 its army. The South obviously did not. The South did 238 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:13.360 not treat black POWs as if they were POW's. They 239 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:17.000 essentially treated them like they were escape ees. It treated 240 00:14:17.039 --> 00:14:18.840 them like they were property. They would just flat out 241 00:14:18.919 --> 00:14:23.279 kill them. That angered the North. And those are the 242 00:14:23.320 --> 00:14:28.039 reasons you mainly read. But there is one reason above all. 243 00:14:28.879 --> 00:14:32.399 The decision was made to essentially shut down the prison 244 00:14:32.440 --> 00:14:36.200 exchange system. And none of the none of the good 245 00:14:36.240 --> 00:14:39.360 reasons they try to give you are as cold and 246 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:43.600 calculating as the real reason the prison exchange systems shut down. 247 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:48.720 The real reason was this, Lincoln or Ulysses S. Grant, 248 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.279 depending on who you believe, the North shut down the 249 00:14:52.279 --> 00:14:56.679 prison exchange system because the North had more men. The 250 00:14:56.720 --> 00:15:01.279 North had more men than the South. So oh, if 251 00:15:01.320 --> 00:15:06.080 we simply stop exchanging people, even if every one of 252 00:15:06.120 --> 00:15:12.039 our Union soldiers die in Southern captivity, we can replace them. 253 00:15:13.200 --> 00:15:17.039 You can't replace your men. Think about the World War 254 00:15:17.080 --> 00:15:21.240 two comparison we made if Japan has three aircraft carriers 255 00:15:21.240 --> 00:15:25.240 and can't replace them. If America has three and can 256 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:30.320 replace them, and let's say they're captured by the other side, 257 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.679 America would probably say, well keep our aircraft carriers. I 258 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:39.159 don't care, you can't build more. That same system happened, 259 00:15:39.720 --> 00:15:42.679 and so again it was either a Blincoln. 260 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:44.799 The sources are all weird. 261 00:15:45.200 --> 00:15:48.919 It was either a Blincoln or Ulysses s. Grant, depending 262 00:15:48.960 --> 00:15:51.200 on who you believe that. Everyone has a different opinion. 263 00:15:52.120 --> 00:15:56.320 But the North shut down the prison exchange system. There's 264 00:15:56.399 --> 00:16:01.399 no more dix Hill prison exchange system. You South, we 265 00:16:01.440 --> 00:16:05.080 are keeping all your prisoners, and guess what you can 266 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:08.879 keep ours? We will outlast you. We have more men, 267 00:16:09.440 --> 00:16:13.000 we have more stuff. Best of luck to you. So 268 00:16:13.159 --> 00:16:15.440 now the South has to figure out what to do 269 00:16:15.919 --> 00:16:18.279 because it's not like you just have the men you 270 00:16:18.360 --> 00:16:21.480 currently have. The South is still winning battles, the South 271 00:16:21.559 --> 00:16:23.360 is still taking in prisoners. 272 00:16:24.000 --> 00:16:25.240 What to do? What to do? 273 00:16:26.639 --> 00:16:30.919 They found a big spot in Georgia and decided this 274 00:16:31.080 --> 00:16:34.559 was going to be their spot. And now we have 275 00:16:34.600 --> 00:16:39.200 to go to hell known as Andersonville. It is the 276 00:16:39.639 --> 00:16:43.759 Jesse Kelly Show on a wonderful Wednesdayday. 277 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:45.360 Remember if you missed any part of the show. 278 00:16:45.360 --> 00:16:48.720 You can download the whole thing on ihard, Spotify iTunes. 279 00:16:49.080 --> 00:16:51.159 So the South. 280 00:16:51.879 --> 00:16:54.799 It's eighteen sixty three. They have too many Union prisoners. 281 00:16:55.720 --> 00:16:58.480 The Union won't exchange them anymore because they know they 282 00:16:58.519 --> 00:17:02.480 have more men in the and they win. The prisoners 283 00:17:02.519 --> 00:17:05.079 around Richmond are eating up all the food. The residents 284 00:17:05.079 --> 00:17:08.640 are upset. The prisoners are too close to the northern lines. 285 00:17:08.680 --> 00:17:11.799 And so they find a place outside of a small 286 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:17.559 town in Georgia called Andersonville, and they think to themselves, well, 287 00:17:18.880 --> 00:17:20.039 this is where we'll put them all. 288 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:21.200 Now. 289 00:17:22.720 --> 00:17:28.079 I can't stress how terrible the supply situation was for 290 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:31.200 the South at this time. When they began construction of 291 00:17:31.279 --> 00:17:36.079 the Andersonville prison camp. The troops themselves were not getting 292 00:17:36.240 --> 00:17:41.759 enough food, blankets, clothing that the South didn't have enough stuff. 293 00:17:42.319 --> 00:17:47.000 Without another major nation partnering with the South, the South 294 00:17:47.160 --> 00:17:50.079 was never going to win the Civil War. It simply 295 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:54.000 was not possible logistically for them to do so. Try 296 00:17:54.079 --> 00:17:57.200 as they may, valiant as they may have fought, they. 297 00:17:57.039 --> 00:17:58.799 Were never going to win this war. 298 00:17:59.359 --> 00:18:03.240 And now, well, the stuff situation is getting worse and 299 00:18:03.359 --> 00:18:08.640 worse and worse. They start building this camp at first, 300 00:18:09.559 --> 00:18:12.519 they just put a big wall. The camp is shaped 301 00:18:12.680 --> 00:18:14.720 like a rectangle. And some of this stuff is going 302 00:18:14.759 --> 00:18:16.519 to be really really important, so you're gonna have to 303 00:18:16.519 --> 00:18:19.240 pay attention to it. The camp is shaped like it's 304 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:24.200 a big rectangle. Okay, it's in essentially a big open field. 305 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:25.880 There's a slope to it. There is. 306 00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:27.480 You can go look at it to this day. In fact, 307 00:18:27.519 --> 00:18:29.440 there's a million YouTube videos on it. You can go 308 00:18:29.440 --> 00:18:32.160 look at exactly what I'm talking about. But picture a 309 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:37.279 big open field in Georgia, surrounded by woods, and they 310 00:18:37.400 --> 00:18:42.559 just start building a wall, a wall without anything in it. 311 00:18:43.119 --> 00:18:46.519 There's a place for the campguards and such to sleep, 312 00:18:46.519 --> 00:18:49.559 but everything else is just a big open field. 313 00:18:50.119 --> 00:18:52.839 And and some of this is gonna get gross. 314 00:18:52.880 --> 00:18:55.880 I'm sorry, but I have to describe what our Americans 315 00:18:55.880 --> 00:19:00.880 have gone through. There was a stream going through the camp, 316 00:19:02.039 --> 00:19:05.480 you know, the long side of the rectangle and the 317 00:19:05.519 --> 00:19:09.319 short side of the rectangle, the. 318 00:19:08.920 --> 00:19:10.720 Short lines on the rectangle. 319 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:16.240 The stream paralleled the short lines and it divided the 320 00:19:16.279 --> 00:19:21.400 camp into a little stream. The camp is half built 321 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:25.400 in February of eighteen sixty four. But the South can't 322 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:31.079 wait any longer. They began to start shuttling prisoners into 323 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:35.559 this camp. There is a train station nearby. They show 324 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:39.200 up on the trains, they bring them into the camp. Already, 325 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.160 we have a humanitarian nightmare on our hands. As I 326 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:48.240 just said, there's no quarters, there's no barracks, there's nothing 327 00:19:48.319 --> 00:19:53.960 but a field. This place was designed to hold ten 328 00:19:54.559 --> 00:19:55.640 thousand troops. 329 00:19:56.960 --> 00:19:58.119 At its peak. 330 00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:08.920 It held thirty three thousand troops. Thirty three thousand troops 331 00:20:09.400 --> 00:20:16.279 with no cover, no facilities, no nothing, herded in like 332 00:20:16.519 --> 00:20:24.200 cattle to a fenced in open field in Georgia. In Georgia, 333 00:20:24.240 --> 00:20:26.720 I don't know if you know this, it gets really 334 00:20:26.759 --> 00:20:32.319 really hot, It gets really really cold. It's not just 335 00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:35.759 that they don't have a roof over their heads, they 336 00:20:35.759 --> 00:20:40.480 don't have the proper clothing. And remember we talked about 337 00:20:41.279 --> 00:20:46.559 how the troops and the civilians weren't eating. Well, here's 338 00:20:46.599 --> 00:20:50.519 the thing about prisons, and this is true today. What 339 00:20:50.599 --> 00:20:54.480 are the worst prisons in the world today. They're from 340 00:20:54.519 --> 00:20:59.279 poor countries. Why well, when you don't have the money 341 00:21:00.079 --> 00:21:06.039 to create a decent prison, decent beds, decent food, a 342 00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:10.480 poor country's not going to take its limited resources and 343 00:21:10.680 --> 00:21:15.559 put any of those resources into prisons and prisoners they're 344 00:21:15.599 --> 00:21:19.559 simply going to build cages and toss them whatever scraps 345 00:21:19.559 --> 00:21:22.960 of food they happen to have left. The worst prisons 346 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:27.200 are poor prisons. What we're dealing with here is logistically 347 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:32.279 an unbelievably poor country in the South. They don't have 348 00:21:32.480 --> 00:21:36.480 enough food. Our guys don't have housing, they don't have clothes, 349 00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:41.680 and they get a tiny minuscule amount of food every day. 350 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:45.799 It essentially amounts to a little bit of salt in 351 00:21:46.079 --> 00:21:51.240 corn meal, But most of the time they couldn't even 352 00:21:51.480 --> 00:21:55.680 cook the corn meal into a cake or something because 353 00:21:55.880 --> 00:22:01.599 firewood was also forbidden in Andersonville. They didn't want prisoners 354 00:22:01.640 --> 00:22:10.640 starting fires and escaping. Now let's get gross. The stream 355 00:22:13.039 --> 00:22:20.119 thirty three thousand men, one stream, one stream. In order 356 00:22:20.240 --> 00:22:25.480 to get water for yourself, bathe, that is important. You 357 00:22:25.559 --> 00:22:29.200 have to clean your body, laundry. Remember we don't have 358 00:22:29.319 --> 00:22:31.839 changes of clothes. You better get naked at some point 359 00:22:31.880 --> 00:22:37.039 in time, clean your clothes one stream to use as 360 00:22:37.039 --> 00:22:40.759 a bathroom. Now pause for a moment. This is one 361 00:22:40.759 --> 00:22:43.480 of those things that is really really gross, and it's 362 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:46.240 about to be a little gross. I'm sorry, but we 363 00:22:46.279 --> 00:22:49.440 do have to discuss it. It's the least sexy part 364 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:54.759 of war. Bathroom waste. What do you do with it? 365 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:57.920 It's one of the things America is so good at 366 00:22:57.960 --> 00:23:01.599 because we've spent so many years studying it in logistics 367 00:23:01.720 --> 00:23:04.680 and whatnot. I remember one of the first things we 368 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:07.880 did when we were in Iraq and we left Bagdad 369 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:09.720 and we went to some tiny dump of a town 370 00:23:09.799 --> 00:23:14.440 called Najaf. We seized control of a walled in farmer's 371 00:23:14.519 --> 00:23:18.359 market they had, and it was day one. Immediately, where 372 00:23:18.400 --> 00:23:21.000 are we using the bathroom? Build bathroom facilities over and 373 00:23:21.079 --> 00:23:23.279 now they weren't nice, don't get me wrong. It wasn't 374 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:27.359 flushable toilets or anything like that. But let's immediately designate 375 00:23:27.400 --> 00:23:31.720 a place because we have to isolate the waste where 376 00:23:31.759 --> 00:23:36.000 all that disease in bacteria grows. If you are in 377 00:23:36.079 --> 00:23:40.839 a big fenced in camp without flushable toilets, there's no 378 00:23:41.079 --> 00:23:47.720 indoor plumbing. You have to have to use the stream 379 00:23:48.119 --> 00:23:52.480 as essentially your flushable toilet. When you use the bathroom, 380 00:23:52.839 --> 00:23:56.240 you have to use it into the stream, so all 381 00:23:56.400 --> 00:24:01.640 that bacteria fodder flows out in a way from you. 382 00:24:02.200 --> 00:24:06.519 Well that's a problem, but look, this is the military. 383 00:24:06.880 --> 00:24:11.400 We have adult men in there, men in charge the prisoners. 384 00:24:11.599 --> 00:24:13.240 So they knew they had to. 385 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:17.440 Come up with a system, obviously, and the system is 386 00:24:17.480 --> 00:24:19.799 it's a pretty obvious system, one you've probably figured out 387 00:24:19.799 --> 00:24:23.480 for yourself. Let's go as far upstream as we can. 388 00:24:24.599 --> 00:24:28.160 That is where we will pull the water out to drink. Right, 389 00:24:28.279 --> 00:24:30.640 that's where we'll pull it out to drink. The next 390 00:24:30.680 --> 00:24:35.960 system down, that's where we will clean ourselves. The next 391 00:24:35.960 --> 00:24:40.160 system down, that's where we will clean our clothes. And 392 00:24:40.200 --> 00:24:43.839 then as far down stream as you can possibly get 393 00:24:43.839 --> 00:24:47.240 in the camp, that's where we will use the stream 394 00:24:47.720 --> 00:24:48.799 as a toilet. 395 00:24:49.039 --> 00:24:52.039 They weren't morons. They knew what they were doing. 396 00:24:52.319 --> 00:24:55.759 They understood that's how it had to be set up, 397 00:24:55.920 --> 00:24:59.400 and in fact, they constructed for themselves what essentially is 398 00:24:59.640 --> 00:25:04.839 a a wooden wall system along the stream. You can 399 00:25:04.839 --> 00:25:06.440 go look it up by the way if you'd like to. 400 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:10.799 Right now you'll see men washing their clothes and men 401 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:15.240