Speaker 1: This is Kathleen Martam. You're listening to UFO Headquarters.
Speaker 2: Beautiful Headquarters. Thank you Kathleen Martin for bringing us in
Speaker 2: that intro. Much like Travis Walton.
Speaker 3: Linda never gets on no excellent.
Speaker 2: So welcome everybody to another episode of UFO Headquarters. We
Speaker 2: have a good one tonight because we are going to
Speaker 2: the type of place where Linda would like to go,
Speaker 2: in the place where I flee from, and that is warm, warm,
Speaker 2: tropical kind of places.
Speaker 1: Oh, Hawaii is paradise.
Speaker 2: I do want to go.
Speaker 3: I do want to go, though it's fairy.
Speaker 1: So you haven't been there, and Brian, have you been there?
Speaker 4: I haven't been there, but I did want to ask
Speaker 4: if there's a sign up sheet for a reductions so
Speaker 4: I can go against my will and you know, not
Speaker 4: have it be held against me.
Speaker 1: Oh well, we'll see if we can have you abducted
Speaker 1: to Hawaii someday.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine.
Speaker 2: I'm good. I'm all for that too.
Speaker 4: Mean, I'll turn my location services on they can come
Speaker 4: find me.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. I've been to Maui and it is
Speaker 1: a stunning, stunning place. Everyone should go to Hawaii at
Speaker 1: least once in their life. But we're doing some Hawaiian
Speaker 1: UFOs because clear skies, remote location, prime UFO area. So
Speaker 1: shall we shall we dive in?
Speaker 2: I think we should dive in and just mention the
Speaker 2: people if they look on a map, just how far
Speaker 2: Hawaii really is from the mainland from everything. Yes, so
Speaker 2: that you really are like you said, it's it's remote.
Speaker 2: When you're seeing in the sky, you're not seeing Oh
Speaker 2: that could be Los Angeles or whatever in the distance.
Speaker 2: You know. No, no, no, you're you're going to be
Speaker 2: possibly seeing something obviously that you can't explain. Yeah, to
Speaker 2: hear about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, uh looked into some of the legends because
Speaker 1: you know, all cultures have these old stories of things
Speaker 1: in the sky, and in Hawaii they had the a
Speaker 1: kula layley. These were green and blue fireballs. They were
Speaker 1: very specific. They were the green and blue fireballs as
Speaker 1: opposed to the orange and red fire which tells you
Speaker 1: there's a lot of strange lights in the sky. And
Speaker 1: they were known as like the weapons of the kohuna
Speaker 1: or the sorcerers, a kind of spiritual energy. One sorcerer
Speaker 1: would get men and shoot an a coula la ley
Speaker 1: at one of them, and they'd shoot in a cool
Speaker 1: lay lay back. So obviously this means there's a lot
Speaker 1: of orbs in the sky. There is also one shaped
Speaker 1: like a bird, isn't that interesting? Described as a flying god?
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 1: In eighteen eighty three, there's the story of Queen Emma
Speaker 1: went to Poona and out to see they saw an
Speaker 1: object in the sky described as like a fiery comet,
Speaker 1: and she took that to be a harbinger of death,
Speaker 1: and sure enough one of the princesses died. But you know,
Speaker 1: there's often you know, like when people would see a
Speaker 1: comet in the sky in the Middle Ages, Oh, something
Speaker 1: terrible was going to happen. Well, of course it's the
Speaker 1: Middle Ages. Death, disease, famine, war, It was happening all
Speaker 1: the time. So you can't always put stock in that
Speaker 1: or like never. But another thing I found interesting there
Speaker 1: were stories of the beings from the Pleiades. Na Pleiades
Speaker 1: keep coming up as sources of sky gods and things
Speaker 1: like that. Supposedly the akua came from the Pleiades. They
Speaker 1: were Now you'll have to forgive now Hawaii. The Hawaiian
Speaker 1: language is a beautiful language, and I will probably butcher
Speaker 1: it this evening. The best of my ability, Napui Khalani
Speaker 1: the people of heaven. So there is this tradition that
Speaker 1: people came from the sky. I wonder if there's a
Speaker 1: Hawaiian version of Wheel of Fortune. Can you imagine I'd
Speaker 1: like to buy a vowel and there's the end of
Speaker 1: the show being being every all these vowels popping up.
Speaker 1: It's a it's quite a remarkable language. In modern times.
Speaker 1: In that town of Puna, they still see fireballs of
Speaker 1: all colors. Does it have something to do with the
Speaker 1: volcanic activity.
Speaker 3: Possibly?
Speaker 1: It's right near the Hawaiian Volcanic Volcanoes National Park on
Speaker 1: the Big Island. So lights are associated earth lights, which
Speaker 1: they're called with volcanic activity. Do they have those in
Speaker 1: Iceland as well? Are there fireballs? To your knowledge, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure.
Speaker 2: I would imagine there probably are.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you know, not necessarily extraterrestrial, could be volcanic.
Speaker 1: I have to digress briefly because when we were in Maui,
Speaker 1: we went to Haleakala, which is this beautiful dormant volcano,
Speaker 1: and we were going to take a horseback ride down
Speaker 1: to the bottom, which is like a Martian landscape, and
Speaker 1: we're about to get on our horses, and I get
Speaker 1: this beautiful black stallion jumping around and the man said
Speaker 1: its name, and it was some long Hawaiian name, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, what does that mean? And he said, basically
Speaker 1: something like fire breathing dragon. So Bob's got this old
Speaker 1: nag and he's like so excpted. What's the name of
Speaker 1: my horse? And the guide says Dan. And he's like, Dan, Dan,
Speaker 1: how come she gets fire breathing dragon?
Speaker 3: I got Dan. But we go down.
Speaker 1: It's a long trip down to the bottom, and we're
Speaker 1: sitting there in the middle of this volcanic crater. It's
Speaker 1: just incredible. And then on the side you see it
Speaker 1: looked like smoke coming up the side of the slope
Speaker 1: and spilling into the crowd. It was actually fog. It
Speaker 1: was a really eerie effect. And the guide said, I
Speaker 1: made a big mistake yesterday. Someone asked what that was
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, the volcano's probably getting ready to erupt.
Speaker 3: That was his little joke.
Speaker 1: He said. Everybody threw their sandwiches, trampled the food, racing
Speaker 1: back to their horses, and he's yelling, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: it's just fog. He said, I didn't get any tips
Speaker 1: that day. So that's my Hawaii volcano story anyway. So
Speaker 1: the whole Hawaiian Islands has had a long history of
Speaker 1: sightings of strange lights in the sky. There was an
Speaker 1: interesting case. A captain of the steamshit Chip Dowset in
Speaker 1: eighteen eighty six recorded mysterious lights in the Molokai Channel.
Speaker 1: They thought it was another steamship, and as they approached it,
Speaker 1: the lights vanished. At another time, a light came very
Speaker 1: close to the ship and was gone, and everybody on
Speaker 1: board saw it. So like you were saying, Mike, you
Speaker 1: know this isn't this isn't a busy air This isn't
Speaker 1: the New York Harbor right.
Speaker 2: Right exactly, Yeah, or t or the New York Airspace
Speaker 2: or anything. I mean New York. You know, if anybody
Speaker 2: who's been in New York City, if you look up
Speaker 2: at night, this guy's crazy. Yeah, everything going on. Not
Speaker 2: to mention the harbor, but Hawaii. I'd never been there,
Speaker 2: but I'm pretty sure it's not having the same type
Speaker 2: of air traffic and sea traffic.
Speaker 1: And then in eighteen eighty six, you know, no air
Speaker 1: traffic and you know little ship traffic. A fascinating story
Speaker 1: from nineteen oh four involving Japanese fishermen in way Key.
Speaker 1: They said they saw a ball of fire, bluish in
Speaker 1: color and of great intensity on the Diamond Head side
Speaker 1: of the bay. It oscillated back and forth and shot
Speaker 1: off across the bay, skimming the surface of the water.
Speaker 1: They set at a speed of an express train toward Honolulu.
Speaker 1: But suddenly this object, this ball stops and they said
Speaker 1: it stopped over an area where there's very deep water.
Speaker 1: And while it was over this area of deep water,
Speaker 1: it grew in intensity and size. And what's that all?
Speaker 1: How does an object get bigger and brighter?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: And then it moved again to another area of deep water.
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means, but it's certainly fascinating.
Speaker 1: And then fire finally took off out to see. So
Speaker 1: here these Japanese fishermen in nineteen oh four trying to
Speaker 1: process what they saw, and they decide it was the
Speaker 1: ghost of a fisherman.
Speaker 2: Hey, I mean, if that's the best they could come
Speaker 2: up with, though you kind of based upon their experiences
Speaker 2: without airships and things like that to really compare it.
Speaker 1: To Yeah, and as we're seeing along, nobody's saying aliens.
Speaker 1: Nobody's saying martians, No one's you know, they're trying to
Speaker 1: either they think it's a spiritual thing or you know,
Speaker 1: some something natural, which clearly what that ball of light
Speaker 1: did was was not natural. In nineteen oh eight, the
Speaker 1: ship the USS justin, all of the officers and most
Speaker 1: of the crew saw a mysterious light near Diamond Head.
Speaker 1: Again it was they described a strange craft with red,
Speaker 1: blue and white lights. Again, nineteen oh eight wasn't an aircraft.
Speaker 1: They didn't have aircraft like that in Hawaii and nineteen
Speaker 1: oh eight, and the articles said that it was so
Speaker 1: strange they wondered. They all wondered if they were dreaming.
Speaker 1: But you know, if one man had it, he could
Speaker 1: say was dreaming when all the officers and crew have it.
Speaker 1: And then they said the same thing. Well, maybe it
Speaker 1: was a flying ghost. So I guess ghosts were a
Speaker 1: lot more accepted back then.
Speaker 2: Right versus UFOs aliens.
Speaker 5: Now, Yeah, interesting, Yeah.
Speaker 1: September of nineteen seventeen in Lapahoy Hoy. Hopefully that is correct.
Speaker 1: Three nights in a row, a cluster of lights fifteen
Speaker 1: miles out to sea, So that may seem like a
Speaker 1: long distance, but you know, on a clear, very dark
Speaker 1: Hawaiian night. That's that's not that far.
Speaker 3: They said.
Speaker 1: Everyone was thrown into great excitement because this cluster of lights.
Speaker 1: We're not talking about two or three little points of light.
Speaker 1: They said they stretched for ten miles like there was
Speaker 1: an entire town out on the water. That's what a sighting.
Speaker 1: For three nights in a row, ten mile wide stretch
Speaker 1: of unbelievable amount of lights. Just the next month, in October,
Speaker 1: there were two lights about two thousand feet in the
Speaker 1: air over the Wayaqia plantation. They said it had odd movements.
Speaker 1: One of the objects seemed to be about ten foot square,
Speaker 1: the other about five foot square, and the smaller light
Speaker 1: circled the larger when one and then took off inland.
Speaker 1: And there were many, many witnesses. So there's some great
Speaker 1: sightings really early.
Speaker 2: And good descriptions and witnesses who shouldn't know what they're
Speaker 2: talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, so we're gonna we're going to jump a
Speaker 1: couple of decades. But why don't we take our first
Speaker 1: break right here. Hudson Riverradio dot com.
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Speaker 2: with some Hawaiian UFO sightings. And I just thought, Linda,
Speaker 2: you mentioned taking your the horse down into the caldera
Speaker 2: I guess of the volcano and it looking like another planet. See,
Speaker 2: we're very much alike in that I like going to
Speaker 2: a volcanic island Iceland. Prefer a volcanic island like Hawaii.
Speaker 1: But oh, I wouldn't mind going to Iceland, but I
Speaker 1: prefer Maui. Most rational people would prefer Maui over Iceland.
Speaker 2: Probably probably that's that is true.
Speaker 1: But yeah, volcanoes are such remarkable powerful spots. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, you're the planet basically rips itself open and
Speaker 1: spews out lava. There. I we went to Mount Saint Helen's,
Speaker 1: uh several years ago. I was giving a lecture out there,
Speaker 1: and you know, you see this in credibly huge mountain
Speaker 1: torn in half. And I can't imagine the force of
Speaker 1: that eruption. As you're driving away, mile after mile, there
Speaker 1: are signs that say this damaged happened here it was
Speaker 1: I can't remember. I'm thinking it was like fifteen or
Speaker 1: twenty miles. I may be off where still there was damage.
Speaker 2: That's crazy, that's incredible, the power of nature. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and imagine imagine the ancient Hawaiians, the people of the
Speaker 2: indigenous Hawaiians living on the island, experiencing these phenomena and
Speaker 2: what would they how did they process it and think
Speaker 2: about it? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Pele the uh, the goddess there of
Speaker 1: the volcanoes and fire, and she is very strong in
Speaker 1: their culture because, like you say, it's their lives are
Speaker 1: dumbin donated by the sea and volcanoes there. And yeah,
Speaker 1: when it comes between to the two of them, volcanoes wins.
Speaker 1: Volcanoes win. So let's let's jump to nineteen fifty a
Speaker 1: Project Blue Book case. There was a cannery. I don't
Speaker 1: know if it was a fish cannery or a pineapple
Speaker 1: cannery or some cannery and the manager and staff. This
Speaker 1: was in Kapaha. It was Saturday, October seventh, nineteen fifty seven,
Speaker 1: twenty five pm. A luminous object circular with soft white
Speaker 1: light was moving over the cannery from south to north
Speaker 1: and a rose and finally disappeared into some cumulus clouds.
Speaker 1: So again, circular object. It sounds pretty classic. You could
Speaker 1: probably put this case into somewhere anywhere around the world.
Speaker 1: In Kawhi, January nineteen fifty one. Many saw a silvery
Speaker 1: disk against a blue sky, which caught my attention because
Speaker 1: that means at daylight sighting, so you're not looking at
Speaker 1: some indistinct lights in the darkness, you're seeing a silvery disk.
Speaker 1: They all said they had no idea how it was powered.
Speaker 1: It was clearly intelligently controlled, and also disappeared into the clouds.
Speaker 1: We hear that all the time. Things kind of hide
Speaker 1: in the clouds, and the the article said that this
Speaker 1: was January of fifty one. It was the third report
Speaker 1: of flying discs since Christmas Eve, so a little bit
Speaker 1: of a wave there in early nineteen fifty one, nineteen
Speaker 1: fifty two in Leahina and Brian and I were talking
Speaker 1: a little bit Lahina before the show. What a gorgeous
Speaker 1: town and what a tragedy the fire that wiped it out.
Speaker 1: It was such a charming, beautiful place. Hopefully it is
Speaker 1: built back with the same charm it had, but I
Speaker 1: have my doubts. Anyway, US submarine was sitting there and
Speaker 1: by Leahina forty crewmen, fifteen of them had binoculars, watched
Speaker 1: two gold discs flying around and then and they said,
Speaker 1: took off into space. So you're lucky. You get one
Speaker 1: person with no binoculars. Here, you have forty submarine crew
Speaker 1: Navy personnel fifteen with me, and the Navy has some
Speaker 1: decent binoculars.
Speaker 3: I bet.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sure. And this is the beginnings of the
Speaker 2: Cold War, so you know that they're watching out for
Speaker 2: Soviet anything, Soviet's biplanes or right. They're not looking for
Speaker 2: aliens necessarily, they're looking for Hey, you know, this is
Speaker 2: our military and we're at a Cold war now with
Speaker 2: our former ally. I guess yeah, I just I can't
Speaker 2: imagine what those you know, what they're thinking when you
Speaker 2: see something like that, with the first thought in your
Speaker 2: mind being oh, is this the Russians? Yeah, and then
Speaker 2: realizing like, wait a minute, those are two gold discs
Speaker 2: and wait they're shooting off into space. And I wish
Speaker 2: we had people that had written down those their personal
Speaker 2: feelings of those encounters at the moment, like what did
Speaker 2: they think? Yeah, how'd they process that?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably thinking we wish it was the Russians?
Speaker 3: Now how do we deal with it?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: How do we deal with this?
Speaker 2: All? Right?
Speaker 1: So now we're going to the Big Island nineteen fifty five,
Speaker 1: early in fifty five on the saddle road to Heilo.
Speaker 1: Some family was visiting other family. They got back in
Speaker 1: their truck and one of the passenger window I guess
Speaker 1: or do I have the driver's window was broken, so
Speaker 1: they had a tarp. You know, people cover up broken
Speaker 1: windows with tarps, and this strange. I didn't know if
Speaker 1: was a gust of wind or whatever. Something was pushing
Speaker 1: on the truck and pushed the tarp in. All right,
Speaker 1: So they think, all right, the tarp got blown in.
Speaker 1: They go to push the tarp back, it won't budge.
Speaker 1: Something solid is pushing in the tarp. Now, this is
Speaker 1: very disconcerting. Then something starts knocking on the roof, so
Speaker 1: something's on this truck. Then they see red lights approaching
Speaker 1: and they assume it's the tail lights of another car
Speaker 1: that they're catching up to. And then it vanishes and
Speaker 1: the force stops. So unusual.
Speaker 2: Ye unusual?
Speaker 1: Yeah, what was that force on the car? I bet
Speaker 1: they got that window fixed real quick after that.
Speaker 2: I recommend that anybody on your window get it fixed.
Speaker 3: You get it fixed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, some of these they're just you know, I can't
Speaker 1: even begin to think. What was something on the vehicle
Speaker 1: trying to get in through the tarp or it was
Speaker 1: just some sort of force field. I don't know, but
Speaker 1: a force strong enough to push a truck that's moving
Speaker 1: is pretty pretty substantial. Just two months later on that
Speaker 1: same saddle road. So if you're in Hawaii looking for
Speaker 1: a hot spot, I think the saddle road to Hilo
Speaker 1: is a place to go.
Speaker 3: It was five.
Speaker 1: County officials in two different cars, and as they're driving along,
Speaker 1: they see a couple of reddish lights and a couple
Speaker 1: of yellowish lights, and they're not like regular car lights.
Speaker 1: They described them as kind of a dull light, but
Speaker 1: clearly alongside with them, and then they just vanish, So
Speaker 1: it's like something was keeping pace with them, was checking
Speaker 1: them out, and then just took off. In March of
Speaker 1: fifty five, in Puna, four people were driving and they
Speaker 1: saw suddenly two bright, bluish white beams. They described it
Speaker 1: as like dancing around. So these beams are coming down dancing,
Speaker 1: And they specifically said, but they weren't a cool aile,
Speaker 1: So a cool aile or But so that's how ingrained
Speaker 1: it is in the culture. We saw beams of light,
Speaker 1: not a cool aile. I thought that was a great
Speaker 1: added feature. They could see that there was a quote,
Speaker 1: black mass behind the beams of light. It was perfectly silent.
Speaker 1: Apparently they had a very strong flashlight and tried to
Speaker 1: shine it on the object, but they couldn't make it
Speaker 1: out and it took off. And these are the reports
Speaker 1: people you know, had the courage to come out with
Speaker 1: what the heck's been going on in Hawaii all through
Speaker 1: the years that people.
Speaker 2: Don't well, who's not reporting them?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: How many? How many people saw something like this? And
Speaker 2: we're in a position like I'm not gonna I'm not
Speaker 2: going to put myself out there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I would imagine.
Speaker 2: I would imagine there's a lot more.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think.
Speaker 1: You know, you can never know what you don't know,
Speaker 1: but you know, groups of people have been asked. You know,
Speaker 1: out of one hundred people who had an experience who
Speaker 1: reported it, and it's much less than ten percent. So
Speaker 1: so yeah, these are these are fascinating cases. The ones
Speaker 1: that we know about back to lahina A nineteen fifty
Speaker 1: six project blue book case January twentieth an orange light
Speaker 1: which means it wasn't a Nikoola lee light because it
Speaker 1: was orange, not blue or green. I learned that. So
Speaker 1: a lot of times investigators reports take reports that if
Speaker 1: you held this object at arm's length, was at the
Speaker 1: size of the craft you saw. In this case, they
Speaker 1: said it was like the size of a quarter held
Speaker 1: at arm's length, which is still pretty substantial. This woman
Speaker 1: heard a muffled roar and for twenty five minutes watched
Speaker 1: this orange light hover take off into the distance, go
Speaker 1: in and out of a valley. It went very fast,
Speaker 1: it hovered, it came back and forth, and apparently for
Speaker 1: months she had been seeing objects like this, so she
Speaker 1: was The reporting officer said she was a fifty six
Speaker 1: year old woman who Now normally, if you've read blue bookcases,
Speaker 1: they're always saying this person's unreliable. It's they try to
Speaker 1: discredit the observer as much as possible. But in this case,
Speaker 1: he said she was mature, sincere, intelligent and responsible and
Speaker 1: doesn't even believe in UFOs, so I guess.
Speaker 2: And that's part of the report.
Speaker 1: That's part of the report. So apparently that gave her
Speaker 1: credibility because she doesn't believe in UFOs, so they couldn't
Speaker 1: call it a UFO, you know, an unknown because we
Speaker 1: now she's credible. Now we have to display, you know,
Speaker 1: we have to do something to discredit this orange light
Speaker 1: for twenty five minutes, bouncing up and down and hovering
Speaker 1: and stopping, and so they just they decided that she
Speaker 1: was looking at the tail the exhaust of an aircraft,
Speaker 1: and when asked, well, why did it have all these
Speaker 1: different characteristics of everything it was doing? I love this.
Speaker 1: It was due to diffusion and refraction of an exhaust.
Speaker 1: What does that even mean?
Speaker 2: I you know, my la, my late grandfather used to say,
Speaker 2: if you want to make sound something sound like it's
Speaker 2: real or credible, just throw a whole bunch of big,
Speaker 2: fancy words in there. And that's what it sounds like.
Speaker 2: They're just doing, like, oh, it's refraction.
Speaker 1: Reflection, diffusion of an aircraft exhaust.
Speaker 2: I know, I know, but now frustrates me.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: The whole report, you know, they they release the the
Speaker 1: summary card which has this exhaust explanation. They didn't know
Speaker 1: that someday all of these documents would be to classified
Speaker 1: because if you read the whole document, it says the
Speaker 1: FAA said there were no aircraft in flight at that
Speaker 1: time in that area.
Speaker 2: So it just so in their own report they acknowledged
Speaker 2: there's no aircraft right in the area. But yet their
Speaker 2: official explanation is that what she saw was something caused
Speaker 2: by an aircraft. Yes, yes, so essentially, you know, credibility wise,
Speaker 2: they have destroyed their well we don't even need to
Speaker 2: win their Project Blue Books credibility, but if you need,
Speaker 2: if you need an example of you know, let's show
Speaker 2: the public this. But well, we know the truth. I'm
Speaker 2: surprised I actually released that part and didn't redact it.
Speaker 1: Well well, yeah, by that point, once that they were released,
Speaker 1: you know, declassified, the cat was kind of out of
Speaker 1: the bag. But it would have taken them decades to
Speaker 1: ridact all their lives.
Speaker 2: I'm surprise it wasn't in oops warehouse.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, these Project Blue people. It's you know,
Speaker 1: the Dante's Inferno, where there's a special ring of hell
Speaker 1: for people who lie, who steal. I'd like to envision
Speaker 1: a special Project Blue Book level of hell in Dante
Speaker 1: there where all the people who discredited and ridiculed, you know,
Speaker 1: all these witnesses are spending a fairly good time in
Speaker 1: h in hell where they belong. But that's another that's
Speaker 1: another story. All right, let's move on. We're going now
Speaker 1: to nineteen sixty four November twenty six Thanksgiving Day, three
Speaker 1: point fifteen pm. This is another daylight sighting on Oahu
Speaker 1: Avenue in Honolulu. Carl Nagatori and his wife are driving along. Now,
Speaker 1: Carl had six years in the Air Force Reserve and
Speaker 1: he studied air science at the university. So this is
Speaker 1: a man well versed in aircraft aerodynamics.
Speaker 3: All of that.
Speaker 1: They see something, they stop the car and get out.
Speaker 1: It is an object that is either black or dark green,
Speaker 1: of tremendous size, about five hundred feet altitude, no sound.
Speaker 1: He even did a sketch. It was kind of like
Speaker 1: a saucer shape, but had two not one centralized dome
Speaker 1: on it, but two domes like if you looked on silhouette,
Speaker 1: kind of like a camel, you know, So two humps
Speaker 1: on top of this craft. I described the wind. He
Speaker 1: said it had power to maneuver completely unlike a balloon.
Speaker 1: It defied all laws of aerodynamics. It's a great report
Speaker 1: from a man who knows aircraft. So I'll give you
Speaker 1: one guess what the official Air Force conclusion was. What
Speaker 1: was what was Carl and his wife looking at venus?
Speaker 1: No no, So yeah, it's a good guess. A balloon, Okay,
Speaker 1: after he specifically said it was I see, I gave
Speaker 1: you a hint because Carl said it was completely unlike
Speaker 1: any type of balloon.
Speaker 2: So I just went to venus because it's so common.
Speaker 2: It's like I am conditioned to say venus when I hear.
Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.
Speaker 1: But there's a little problem again. You read the whole
Speaker 1: report and the Air Force investigator, Captain Jerry Mills, who
Speaker 1: was the director of Intelligence, he classified this as an
Speaker 1: unknown because at the time no helicopters, weather balloons, or
Speaker 1: conventional aircraft were in the area. So, once again blatantly lying,
Speaker 1: the report says couldn't have been a balloon, it's an
Speaker 1: unknown aircraft. But the official report or public consumption Carl
Speaker 1: was mistaken. He just saw balloon. Nothing to see here.
Speaker 3: Move along.
Speaker 2: And you know, I understand there's there's an aspect of
Speaker 2: this where they were doing their jobs, you know, as
Speaker 2: representatives of the United States or if they're Air Force officers,
Speaker 2: and there's a national security concern because well, if we
Speaker 2: don't know what they are, what are they are they Russians?
Speaker 2: Are they from space? So I understand that, but the
Speaker 2: way they blatantly just discredited people and yeah, under and
Speaker 2: just blatantly question their credibility. Like the way they went
Speaker 2: about it was just absolutely appalling to do that the
Speaker 2: fellow citizens. There had to have been a better way
Speaker 2: to sort of, you know, handle this than just oh,
Speaker 2: it's swamp gas, it's venus, it's a balloon. But then
Speaker 2: in the report, well it really wasn't a balloon. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but we're gonna publicly say it was a balloon, so
Speaker 2: everybody thinks he's an.
Speaker 1: Idiot, right, And yeah, this guy was probably then ridiculed
Speaker 1: by friends and family. Oh how could you mistake that
Speaker 1: we thought you knew something about that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, hey, Carlson, any unidentified balloons late?
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to me, that's like one of the biggest parts
Speaker 2: of this, besides the information that is covered up. It's
Speaker 2: just how these credible, everyday witnesses were treated. And we
Speaker 2: don't know how it affected their lives, right, Like you said,
Speaker 2: were they ridicule What kind of impact did it have
Speaker 2: on them afterward that we don't know about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the episode we did where all those police
Speaker 1: officers you know, moved out of state, change their name,
Speaker 1: you know, lives were ruined. So clearly it's an insult
Speaker 1: and they guy, you know, the witnesses know what they saw,
Speaker 1: and so then you distrust your government. You know, why
Speaker 1: are they doing this to me? But it continues. So
Speaker 1: let's go to sixty five. Now, that same Captain Jerry Mills,
Speaker 1: the Director of Intelligence, he wrote a report about the
Speaker 1: summary of activity in Hawaii between August second and fifth,
Speaker 1: because they had a little wave of some very interesting activity.
Speaker 1: Five separate UFO incidents were reported in those three days,
Speaker 1: made widespread headlines in the newspapers. There's this on August third,
Speaker 1: of family and y Ki ki saw numerous lights changing
Speaker 1: color from red to blue. And they did what they
Speaker 1: were supposed to do, or they thought they should do.
Speaker 1: They called to report it. Now, the call was transferred
Speaker 1: to an Air Force observer seven miles away. Okay, there's
Speaker 1: you know, a few hills in Hawaii. You may you
Speaker 1: may not have a direct line of sight. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but still seven miles away, these were lights low in
Speaker 1: the sky. He couldn't see anything. So Mills wrote, I
Speaker 1: consider the report to be non significant. They don't even follow.
Speaker 2: Up because he couldn't see anything from seven miles away, right,
Speaker 2: So I can't I can't see. Milford, Pennsylvania's probably seven
Speaker 2: miles from me. I can't see them. If someone saw
Speaker 2: something in the sky very low over Milford, Pennsylvania, I'd
Speaker 2: see nothing.
Speaker 5: Yes.
Speaker 2: So if someone reported, like, hey, I'm in Milford, there's
Speaker 2: something very low in the sky with blinking lights, I
Speaker 2: looked down my window and said, huh, I can't see
Speaker 2: anything from here. I don't think they're telling the truth. No,
Speaker 2: it's just mind bogglingly. Nothing should shock me with Blue Book.
Speaker 2: Why does it shock me every time? I just I
Speaker 2: get angry.
Speaker 1: It's like, oh, yeah, I regularly have steam coming out
Speaker 1: of mind.
Speaker 2: Years by now we should be used to it. But
Speaker 2: it's still that nothing. It just I just don't oh gosh.
Speaker 3: All right.
Speaker 1: Yeah. So August fourth, the next day, some sort of
Speaker 1: object was seen falling from the sky, or how it
Speaker 1: was described, it's descending. It was so bright it illuminated
Speaker 1: the cockpit of a plane at thirty one thousand feet.
Speaker 1: It was described as breaking into three pieces, burning out
Speaker 1: and going into the ocean, okay, or did it separate
Speaker 1: and just go into the ocean, But this is how
Speaker 1: they described it. They said it could have been a
Speaker 1: decaying space vehicle. But again further in the report, it
Speaker 1: could not have been a US or Russian space vehicle.
Speaker 1: So nineteen sixty five, if it's not US, it's not Russian.
Speaker 1: Whose space vehicle was this descending through the sky so
Speaker 1: brilliantly it was lighting everything up?
Speaker 2: Yeah, because how many nations other than US, the US
Speaker 2: and USSR were putting satellites and such into the sky.
Speaker 3: In sixty five and sixty It.
Speaker 2: Couldn't have been a lot, because we were the two racing.
Speaker 2: It was a space race that was the whole right
Speaker 2: behind the moon, the moon initiative, neck and neck and so.
Speaker 1: And something so big that it could ellumined. And you
Speaker 1: know they're describing as it dropping, burning out and going
Speaker 1: into the ocean. Was it actually three bright objects that
Speaker 1: just then came through space and went into the water,
Speaker 1: which you know, you have to kind of read behind
Speaker 1: the lines with some of these particular you know, if
Speaker 1: they said, oh, it was probably the Russian whatever, okay,
Speaker 1: But when the report says not US, not Theirs, okay.
Speaker 1: So then that same night, August fourth, the crew of
Speaker 1: a C one thirty en route to Hickam Air Force Base,
Speaker 1: which should ring a bell to all historians Pearl Harbor.
Speaker 1: They saw an object at high altitude, high speed, directly overhead,
Speaker 1: a very bright light. The report even says that Ocean
Speaker 1: Station November saw it. I don't know what that is.
Speaker 1: Was that a ship at sea? Was that some sort
Speaker 1: of platform observing station? Ocean Station November? So I guess they, yeah, observation, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because like you said, you know, still cold war. Then
Speaker 1: they saw this object light up the entire sky. So
Speaker 1: the conclusion on that one, you know, the other one
Speaker 1: was a decaying space vehicle that same night. Well, now
Speaker 1: they have a different excuse. It was probably an Atlas missile,
Speaker 1: which was an ICBM from Vandenberg Air Force Space, which
Speaker 1: is in California. What was Vandenberg shooting Atlas missiles towards
Speaker 1: Hawaii for. I don't know, but I was like, huh,
Speaker 1: the Atlas missile. I went, Now, this was August fourth,
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five. I looked up Atlas missiles. They were
Speaker 1: taken out of commission April twelfth, eighteen sixty five. So
Speaker 1: they used the excuse of an Atlas missile four months
Speaker 1: after they stopped using Atlas missiles.
Speaker 2: I'm pretty sure they weren't just firing off the unused inventory.
Speaker 1: Hey, let's shoot them in Hawaii.
Speaker 5: That'll get Yeah, I know, I know, and why it's just,
Speaker 5: you know, an Atlas missile launched from California, I really
Speaker 5: doubt is going to light up the entire sky in
Speaker 5: in Hawaii.
Speaker 1: So that was the uh oh, so one more date
Speaker 1: on the August fifth. Remember this is three days of
Speaker 1: all that, So something strange is going on out there.
Speaker 1: People reported seeing what looked like a rocket fired from
Speaker 1: the surface of the ocean or something bright came out
Speaker 1: of the surface of the ocean, and that was well,
Speaker 1: it was probably Navy operations. You're the Air Force, can't
Speaker 1: you like call the were you shooting rockets from? No,
Speaker 1: it's probably that.
Speaker 2: And I would imagine even if if you know, one
Speaker 2: branch isn't supposed to disclose the specifics of the operation,
Speaker 2: you're gonna let other people nearby that are relevant know, like, hey,
Speaker 2: we are conducting weapons training in this area. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: that you you stay away from it and if you
Speaker 2: see something that it, don't push the panic button. It's
Speaker 2: just us testing whatever.
Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe the Air Force will not scramble jets to
Speaker 1: go shoot your your your navy ass that you didn't
Speaker 1: tell us about this testing. So that same night that
Speaker 1: all these witnesses saw this bright light coming up from
Speaker 1: the ocean. A. This is how it was described. A
Speaker 1: teenager saw a bright light in the sky, but it
Speaker 1: was a non significant report, so no investigation was made.
Speaker 2: Non significant report.
Speaker 1: Another non significant report because a teenager saw the same
Speaker 1: bright light that everybody else was seeing.
Speaker 2: I'm just going to say, Brian, as a you know,
Speaker 2: police work, imagine we use that as an excuse to
Speaker 2: get out of writing a report.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for investigating anything.
Speaker 2: Yeah, as a supervisor, if one of my officers said
Speaker 2: come back and turn that in and said it was
Speaker 2: insignificant not to investigate, tried just doesn't Yeah you know,
Speaker 2: yeah I would. I would have like went through the ceiling,
Speaker 2: flames would have shot out of me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just nah. And then initially sent it back.
Speaker 2: I mean, but because he's a teenager, it's insignificant.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yep.
Speaker 1: And and this is during three days of all of
Speaker 1: these incredible sight things falling out of the side, things
Speaker 1: shooting out of the the ocean. Yeah, cruise of aircraft
Speaker 1: military seeing all this. So maybe it was some secret
Speaker 1: military you know exercises going on, but you know, to
Speaker 1: just dismiss it like that. It's yeah, all right.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna mention, in the context of the multiple days sightings,
Speaker 2: I can see where the Air Force wouldn't want to
Speaker 2: make another report from this teenager because now you're just
Speaker 2: adding to the volume of documented information. You're almost you're
Speaker 2: almost adding credibility to it by documenting it versus not
Speaker 2: nothing's happening.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 2: Not important enough. But if they start entertaining every report,
Speaker 2: it just keeps building up that wealth of information. And
Speaker 2: I'm sure that that's the last thing they wanted was
Speaker 2: more and more documents.
Speaker 1: Right right, So that was the August three days. In
Speaker 1: August and sixty five, we go to April twenty fifth
Speaker 1: of nineteen sixty seven in Hilo. A illuminated cross shaped
Speaker 1: object we very I could probably count on the fingers
Speaker 1: of one hand, cross shaped UFOs.
Speaker 2: That's an unusual description for a UFO.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it gets even more unusual. There were rows
Speaker 1: of lights on the object. The top appeared to be
Speaker 1: like the white orange color of parachute material, which is,
Speaker 1: you know, well, maybe something's falling out of the sky
Speaker 1: some test. Except this had four or five hula hoops
Speaker 1: of light around it. Whatever this craw. Now we have
Speaker 1: a cross shaped object. The top is orange. There are
Speaker 1: four or five rings of light going around it. Very unusual.
Speaker 1: Witnesses call the police. The police calls the tower at
Speaker 1: Hilo Airport. They immediately saw this object through binoculars. They
Speaker 1: looked at it for about seven minutes. They described it
Speaker 1: as a smooth, straight flight. They didn't say it was
Speaker 1: some debris falling. The people in the tower, who should
Speaker 1: know a thing or two about aircraft, for seven mile
Speaker 1: miles minutes watch this smooth straight flight. So you're going
Speaker 1: to love this. You're gonna you're gonna blow a gasket
Speaker 1: with this. We have three, not one, not two, but
Speaker 1: three possible official explanations. Number one, it was a big
Speaker 1: plastic bag filled with at least twenty candles, like a
Speaker 1: big Chinese LANGI you're laughing so hard.
Speaker 3: You can't even talk.
Speaker 2: They can't even that one. And I liked how specific
Speaker 2: they are about the number of candles.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and all the lights switched off simultaneously, which
Speaker 1: they admit, well, wouldn't happen if it was twenty can
Speaker 1: all twenty candles wouldn't have gone off in this plastic
Speaker 1: bag at the same time. So and why this plastic
Speaker 1: bag was cross shaped orange with a I mean, okay,
Speaker 1: so we can that's explanation number one. Okay, number two,
Speaker 1: the old stand by a weather balloon with a battery light.
Speaker 3: But then they had.
Speaker 1: To admit, ah, the way the object was traveling in
Speaker 1: the wind, it was not exactly traveling with the wind,
Speaker 1: so not exactly kind of in the general in other words,
Speaker 1: it was traveling against the wind. So there goes the
Speaker 1: balloon with the battery light and this this I don't
Speaker 1: know if we've had this before. We should have a
Speaker 1: drum roll. The third possible explanation it was plasma ionized air.
Speaker 3: Okay, what.
Speaker 1: Plasma ionized air? But they admit, yeah, plasma ionized air
Speaker 1: wouldn't be in the shape of a cross. And it
Speaker 1: was kind of orange, and that means low energy. But
Speaker 1: plasma's high energy, so probably so yeah out no, So
Speaker 1: everything from a plastic bag to plasma ionized air. They
Speaker 1: were throwing everything at this trying to make it stick.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, the plastic bag. One's creative. I gotta
Speaker 2: give it to them. I could just imagine these guys,
Speaker 2: you know, sitting in a room, and at this period
Speaker 2: of time, they're probably all smoking cigarettes. What was it? Guys?
Speaker 2: Come on, brother balloon? How I got one plastic bag
Speaker 2: with candles? What do you think? Brilliant guys? I love it,
Speaker 2: love it. I'll put that down. How many? How many candles? Oh?
Speaker 1: At least twenty, at least twenty, it's gotta be to
Speaker 1: be so and even so twenty minutes, twenty lights and
Speaker 1: that intensity.
Speaker 3: Is just all right.
Speaker 2: You know what, Linda, I need a break. Yes, I
Speaker 2: think we need to take a break.
Speaker 1: I need a break too, because at this point we're
Speaker 1: going to get to modern sighting.
Speaker 3: So good breakpoint.
Speaker 1: This is Hudson River Radio dot com.
Speaker 5: This is Hudson River Radio dot com.
Speaker 2: All right, so, Linda, you're gonna take us out of
Speaker 2: blue book period, I hope, and into a more modern
Speaker 2: period of of thought and intellect.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I don't know intellect.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: We're gonna that might be pushing, okay, but yes we're
Speaker 1: We've got a couple more, a few more cases modern
Speaker 1: ones last few years. December of twenty twenty in Oahu.
Speaker 1: There are videos. You can go to YouTube and look
Speaker 1: these up. It's a bright luminous blue. It's very strange.
Speaker 1: It looks like a They said it was bigger than
Speaker 1: a This object was bigger than a telephone pole. Silent.
Speaker 1: There was a second object that was a white light.
Speaker 1: It's you clearly. I don't know what it was, but
Speaker 1: it is a bright, luminous object that was doing strange
Speaker 1: maneuvers and then went into the ocean, which we keep hearing.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 1: There were several reports to the FAA from police of
Speaker 1: a possible aircraft crashing into the ocean. However, so because
Speaker 1: so many people saw this, this blue streak of light
Speaker 1: maneuvering and then going into the water, you know, your
Speaker 1: first thought is not aliens, it's oh my god, someone's
Speaker 1: in trouble and needs help. However, there were no reported
Speaker 1: missing planes, no explanations.
Speaker 3: So this if you look up.
Speaker 1: December twenty twenty oahu Ufo streak, you know, you can
Speaker 1: look at that. There's a very interesting video. I know
Speaker 1: it's easy to fake videos. If this one is real,
Speaker 1: it's it's fascinating and I don't know what it is.
Speaker 1: It's from twenty twenty one. Kuhi, someone is a photographer
Speaker 1: is doing a time lapse of a sunset beautiful, But
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, this swarm of lights, dozens and
Speaker 1: dozens comes swarming in. They're moving all around. They kind
Speaker 1: of then roughly form into kind of a line and
Speaker 1: take off. I don't know what can explain that. Oh
Speaker 1: it was birds, it was this, I don't know, but
Speaker 1: it's it's something twenty twenty one Kuhi swarm of light.
Speaker 1: It's it's a great fake. If it is one. If
Speaker 1: it isn't, I have no idea. Oh I do have
Speaker 1: another older one. I was went to New Fork, the
Speaker 1: you know, the UFO reporting center. There are six hundred
Speaker 1: and eighty one Hawaiian cases, and I was looking for
Speaker 1: the more modern ones. But you know me, I can't
Speaker 1: help myself.
Speaker 3: I went.
Speaker 1: I went back to August tenth, nineteen sixty because a
Speaker 1: Marine Corps pilot and Canno oh hey, was middle of
Speaker 1: the night. He's in a FJ four B fighter jet,
Speaker 1: which could go supersonic. He's doing simulated attacks and he's
Speaker 1: looking for his quote unquote enemy plane to attack. He
Speaker 1: had no weapons on board. They're just simulating maneuvers. He
Speaker 1: sees a bright light, assumes it's his enemy. He's closing
Speaker 1: in on it. The craft suddenly makes a ninety degree
Speaker 1: turn and takes off at thousands of miles per hour.
Speaker 1: He was very specific. It didn't do an arcing, you know,
Speaker 1: banking turn. It suddenly is going one direction, makes a
Speaker 1: sharp ninety degree turn and takes off, which is a
Speaker 1: lot of what navy pilots in recent years have been reporting,
Speaker 1: which is why I wanted to say that. Okay, eighty
Speaker 1: nine July one and Poipeou at sunset, they saw a
Speaker 1: black triangle with a yellow light in each corner and
Speaker 1: an orange light in the middle, which is something you know,
Speaker 1: how many Hudson Valley black triangles with a light in
Speaker 1: each corner and one in the middle have we talked about.
Speaker 1: It came from the ocean, went directly over the house.
Speaker 1: This boy was eleven years old at the time. He
Speaker 1: is now forty four, and I had to The reason
Speaker 1: I'm saying this report is because he said, I see
Speaker 1: it clearly in my head every day. So something this
Speaker 1: boy saw at age eleven thirty three years later, every
Speaker 1: day it replays in his memory in his mind's eye,
Speaker 1: and that.
Speaker 2: And that's that comment. We hear that a lot too. Remember,
Speaker 2: it's life altering for a lot of people. Oh, the
Speaker 2: experience has changed their lives and they never go away. Yeah,
Speaker 2: remember it like it was like it could have happened yesterday.
Speaker 3: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: And one final one from July second, twenty twenty two
Speaker 1: in Honolulu, two discs were seen with an aura around it.
Speaker 1: We see this a lot a mist or some sort
Speaker 1: of energy field or haze around it. They were gray
Speaker 1: with a blue glowing ring of this aura around it,
Speaker 1: like it's some sort of high energy not a kualeile,
Speaker 1: not balls of light. And this was at one fifty
Speaker 1: pm again daylight sighting of two discs with a blue
Speaker 1: energy aura around it. Three witnesses. They saw these craft
Speaker 1: for one to two minutes, and the reports said the
Speaker 1: animals reacted, but that's all it said. You know me,
Speaker 1: miss animal reaction. I'm like, what how did the animal react?
Speaker 1: They don't say they didn't get into it. So things
Speaker 1: are still going on in Hawaii on all the islands.
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a specific branch to investigate,
Speaker 1: but I would imagine Mufon probably has a presence there.
Speaker 1: So just a long fascinating history of sightings there, which
Speaker 1: is one more reason to book that trip to Hawaii.
Speaker 2: What's curious is the number of daytime sightings. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that stands out to me. We don't we don't often
Speaker 2: hear that with locations where you're having a lot of
Speaker 2: people see things during the day.
Speaker 1: So yeah, we're lucky we get one in five years
Speaker 1: and so many here. And as I say, you know,
Speaker 1: the air that is not like East Coast air. It
Speaker 1: is clear, it is dark, it's it's just a fabulous
Speaker 1: place that has a lot of weird stuff going on.
Speaker 1: And that's why we like it definitely. So you guys
Speaker 1: have to get there, whether abducted or not. It's it
Speaker 1: really is someplace everyone should go. It's just stunning, stunning landscape.
Speaker 1: I do not like I'm not afraid of airplanes. I
Speaker 1: just hate the long monotony. It's a brutal trip out there.
Speaker 1: In fact, I even looked up. I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: when we went, we had to connect in California or something.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, maybe direct isn't so bad. It's
Speaker 1: over an eleven hour flight from New York to Honolulu.
Speaker 1: Shoot me, now, I would need to be sedated to.
Speaker 2: I could probably do it. I've done like eight and
Speaker 2: a half hours, so I guess eleven if I could survive,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I may go a little little bit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, going to Europe is over seven and but I'm
Speaker 1: getting too old for eleven hours on a planet. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't know that I'll ever get back to Hawaii,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure glad I was there. So if anybody
Speaker 1: out there is listening in Hawaii, I would love to
Speaker 1: hear you have any stories or you saw it when
Speaker 1: on a trip to Hawaii. We'd love to hear your
Speaker 1: Hawaiian UFO stories.
Speaker 2: Yes, please? And was that it for todight? Should I
Speaker 2: take us out?
Speaker 1: I think you should take us out and take us
Speaker 1: to Hawaii.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, we are packing my bags right now. But I
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