WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.800 --> 00:00:06.440 This is Kathleen Martam. You're listening to UFO Headquarters. 2 00:00:10.279 --> 00:00:19.399 Beautiful Headquarters. Thank you Kathleen Martin for bringing us in 3 00:00:19.440 --> 00:00:21.600 that intro. Much like Travis Walton. 4 00:00:21.359 --> 00:00:24.800 Linda never gets on no excellent. 5 00:00:25.399 --> 00:00:29.600 So welcome everybody to another episode of UFO Headquarters. We 6 00:00:29.760 --> 00:00:32.840 have a good one tonight because we are going to 7 00:00:33.679 --> 00:00:35.600 the type of place where Linda would like to go, 8 00:00:36.359 --> 00:00:43.320 in the place where I flee from, and that is warm, warm, 9 00:00:43.399 --> 00:00:44.759 tropical kind of places. 10 00:00:45.359 --> 00:00:48.880 Oh, Hawaii is paradise. 11 00:00:49.840 --> 00:00:50.520 I do want to go. 12 00:00:50.679 --> 00:00:52.600 I do want to go, though it's fairy. 13 00:00:52.679 --> 00:00:55.280 So you haven't been there, and Brian, have you been there? 14 00:00:55.439 --> 00:00:57.439 I haven't been there, but I did want to ask 15 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:00.880 if there's a sign up sheet for a reductions so 16 00:01:00.920 --> 00:01:04.200 I can go against my will and you know, not 17 00:01:04.280 --> 00:01:05.439 have it be held against me. 18 00:01:06.439 --> 00:01:09.599 Oh well, we'll see if we can have you abducted 19 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:11.200 to Hawaii someday. 20 00:01:11.519 --> 00:01:12.239 Yeah, that's fine. 21 00:01:12.560 --> 00:01:14.640 I'm good. I'm all for that too. 22 00:01:14.760 --> 00:01:17.680 Mean, I'll turn my location services on they can come 23 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:18.159 find me. 24 00:01:20.560 --> 00:01:24.200 Yeah it is. I've been to Maui and it is 25 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:29.879 a stunning, stunning place. Everyone should go to Hawaii at 26 00:01:29.959 --> 00:01:33.599 least once in their life. But we're doing some Hawaiian 27 00:01:33.799 --> 00:01:44.239 UFOs because clear skies, remote location, prime UFO area. So 28 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:46.319 shall we shall we dive in? 29 00:01:47.079 --> 00:01:48.879 I think we should dive in and just mention the 30 00:01:48.920 --> 00:01:51.480 people if they look on a map, just how far 31 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:56.079 Hawaii really is from the mainland from everything. Yes, so 32 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:59.000 that you really are like you said, it's it's remote. 33 00:01:59.239 --> 00:02:02.280 When you're seeing in the sky, you're not seeing Oh 34 00:02:02.280 --> 00:02:04.680 that could be Los Angeles or whatever in the distance. 35 00:02:04.760 --> 00:02:07.840 You know. No, no, no, you're you're going to be 36 00:02:07.879 --> 00:02:11.479 possibly seeing something obviously that you can't explain. Yeah, to 37 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:11.960 hear about. 38 00:02:12.120 --> 00:02:17.919 Yeah, So, uh looked into some of the legends because 39 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:23.599 you know, all cultures have these old stories of things 40 00:02:23.639 --> 00:02:28.759 in the sky, and in Hawaii they had the a 41 00:02:28.879 --> 00:02:33.759 kula layley. These were green and blue fireballs. They were 42 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:37.360 very specific. They were the green and blue fireballs as 43 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:40.439 opposed to the orange and red fire which tells you 44 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:44.240 there's a lot of strange lights in the sky. And 45 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:47.080 they were known as like the weapons of the kohuna 46 00:02:47.599 --> 00:02:52.319 or the sorcerers, a kind of spiritual energy. One sorcerer 47 00:02:52.360 --> 00:02:55.120 would get men and shoot an a coula la ley 48 00:02:55.199 --> 00:02:57.240 at one of them, and they'd shoot in a cool 49 00:02:57.319 --> 00:03:01.280 lay lay back. So obviously this means there's a lot 50 00:03:01.280 --> 00:03:05.599 of orbs in the sky. There is also one shaped 51 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:10.960 like a bird, isn't that interesting? Described as a flying god? 52 00:03:11.560 --> 00:03:11.960 Okay. 53 00:03:13.759 --> 00:03:17.319 In eighteen eighty three, there's the story of Queen Emma 54 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:21.719 went to Poona and out to see they saw an 55 00:03:21.800 --> 00:03:25.879 object in the sky described as like a fiery comet, 56 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:30.520 and she took that to be a harbinger of death, 57 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:35.639 and sure enough one of the princesses died. But you know, 58 00:03:36.199 --> 00:03:39.479 there's often you know, like when people would see a 59 00:03:39.520 --> 00:03:42.120 comet in the sky in the Middle Ages, Oh, something 60 00:03:42.240 --> 00:03:45.000 terrible was going to happen. Well, of course it's the 61 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:51.120 Middle Ages. Death, disease, famine, war, It was happening all 62 00:03:51.159 --> 00:03:54.479 the time. So you can't always put stock in that 63 00:03:54.719 --> 00:03:59.560 or like never. But another thing I found interesting there 64 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:05.360 were stories of the beings from the Pleiades. Na Pleiades 65 00:04:05.439 --> 00:04:10.479 keep coming up as sources of sky gods and things 66 00:04:10.560 --> 00:04:17.480 like that. Supposedly the akua came from the Pleiades. They 67 00:04:17.519 --> 00:04:21.439 were Now you'll have to forgive now Hawaii. The Hawaiian 68 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:25.879 language is a beautiful language, and I will probably butcher 69 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:30.560 it this evening. The best of my ability, Napui Khalani 70 00:04:31.240 --> 00:04:37.360 the people of heaven. So there is this tradition that 71 00:04:37.519 --> 00:04:41.480 people came from the sky. I wonder if there's a 72 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:44.959 Hawaiian version of Wheel of Fortune. Can you imagine I'd 73 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.720 like to buy a vowel and there's the end of 74 00:04:48.759 --> 00:04:53.079 the show being being every all these vowels popping up. 75 00:04:53.639 --> 00:04:59.519 It's a it's quite a remarkable language. In modern times. 76 00:04:59.560 --> 00:05:04.680 In that town of Puna, they still see fireballs of 77 00:05:05.279 --> 00:05:10.279 all colors. Does it have something to do with the 78 00:05:10.399 --> 00:05:11.720 volcanic activity. 79 00:05:12.240 --> 00:05:12.759 Possibly? 80 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:18.879 It's right near the Hawaiian Volcanic Volcanoes National Park on 81 00:05:18.959 --> 00:05:25.800 the Big Island. So lights are associated earth lights, which 82 00:05:25.879 --> 00:05:29.160 they're called with volcanic activity. Do they have those in 83 00:05:29.279 --> 00:05:34.759 Iceland as well? Are there fireballs? To your knowledge, I'm 84 00:05:34.759 --> 00:05:35.360 not sure. 85 00:05:35.759 --> 00:05:37.199 I would imagine there probably are. 86 00:05:37.680 --> 00:05:45.199 Yeah, so you know, not necessarily extraterrestrial, could be volcanic. 87 00:05:46.759 --> 00:05:52.199 I have to digress briefly because when we were in Maui, 88 00:05:52.240 --> 00:05:56.800 we went to Haleakala, which is this beautiful dormant volcano, 89 00:05:57.480 --> 00:06:00.360 and we were going to take a horseback ride down 90 00:06:00.439 --> 00:06:04.279 to the bottom, which is like a Martian landscape, and 91 00:06:04.319 --> 00:06:06.600 we're about to get on our horses, and I get 92 00:06:06.600 --> 00:06:12.720 this beautiful black stallion jumping around and the man said 93 00:06:12.720 --> 00:06:15.519 its name, and it was some long Hawaiian name, and 94 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.360 I'm like, what does that mean? And he said, basically 95 00:06:18.439 --> 00:06:23.600 something like fire breathing dragon. So Bob's got this old 96 00:06:23.720 --> 00:06:26.240 nag and he's like so excpted. What's the name of 97 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:32.759 my horse? And the guide says Dan. And he's like, Dan, Dan, 98 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:35.360 how come she gets fire breathing dragon? 99 00:06:36.639 --> 00:06:40.000 I got Dan. But we go down. 100 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:44.319 It's a long trip down to the bottom, and we're 101 00:06:44.360 --> 00:06:48.319 sitting there in the middle of this volcanic crater. It's 102 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:53.120 just incredible. And then on the side you see it 103 00:06:53.160 --> 00:06:58.000 looked like smoke coming up the side of the slope 104 00:06:58.199 --> 00:07:02.680 and spilling into the crowd. It was actually fog. It 105 00:07:02.800 --> 00:07:06.240 was a really eerie effect. And the guide said, I 106 00:07:06.319 --> 00:07:10.680 made a big mistake yesterday. Someone asked what that was 107 00:07:10.759 --> 00:07:14.759 and I said, oh, the volcano's probably getting ready to erupt. 108 00:07:15.360 --> 00:07:16.759 That was his little joke. 109 00:07:17.120 --> 00:07:22.480 He said. Everybody threw their sandwiches, trampled the food, racing 110 00:07:22.560 --> 00:07:25.160 back to their horses, and he's yelling, no, no, no, 111 00:07:25.199 --> 00:07:28.720 it's just fog. He said, I didn't get any tips 112 00:07:28.759 --> 00:07:36.439 that day. So that's my Hawaii volcano story anyway. So 113 00:07:38.519 --> 00:07:43.879 the whole Hawaiian Islands has had a long history of 114 00:07:44.240 --> 00:07:48.519 sightings of strange lights in the sky. There was an 115 00:07:48.519 --> 00:07:53.800 interesting case. A captain of the steamshit Chip Dowset in 116 00:07:53.920 --> 00:08:00.000 eighteen eighty six recorded mysterious lights in the Molokai Channel. 117 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:05.720 They thought it was another steamship, and as they approached it, 118 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:10.959 the lights vanished. At another time, a light came very 119 00:08:10.959 --> 00:08:14.199 close to the ship and was gone, and everybody on 120 00:08:14.360 --> 00:08:19.240 board saw it. So like you were saying, Mike, you 121 00:08:19.279 --> 00:08:22.800 know this isn't this isn't a busy air This isn't 122 00:08:22.839 --> 00:08:25.720 the New York Harbor right. 123 00:08:25.959 --> 00:08:30.439 Right exactly, Yeah, or t or the New York Airspace 124 00:08:30.519 --> 00:08:32.519 or anything. I mean New York. You know, if anybody 125 00:08:32.519 --> 00:08:33.759 who's been in New York City, if you look up 126 00:08:33.799 --> 00:08:37.200 at night, this guy's crazy. Yeah, everything going on. Not 127 00:08:37.240 --> 00:08:40.399 to mention the harbor, but Hawaii. I'd never been there, 128 00:08:40.399 --> 00:08:43.399 but I'm pretty sure it's not having the same type 129 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:45.639 of air traffic and sea traffic. 130 00:08:45.759 --> 00:08:49.159 And then in eighteen eighty six, you know, no air 131 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:55.200 traffic and you know little ship traffic. A fascinating story 132 00:08:55.240 --> 00:09:00.440 from nineteen oh four involving Japanese fishermen in way Key. 133 00:09:01.360 --> 00:09:05.360 They said they saw a ball of fire, bluish in 134 00:09:05.519 --> 00:09:11.080 color and of great intensity on the Diamond Head side 135 00:09:11.279 --> 00:09:16.320 of the bay. It oscillated back and forth and shot 136 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:20.559 off across the bay, skimming the surface of the water. 137 00:09:21.320 --> 00:09:26.000 They set at a speed of an express train toward Honolulu. 138 00:09:26.759 --> 00:09:32.320 But suddenly this object, this ball stops and they said 139 00:09:32.360 --> 00:09:36.559 it stopped over an area where there's very deep water. 140 00:09:37.360 --> 00:09:40.399 And while it was over this area of deep water, 141 00:09:40.600 --> 00:09:45.200 it grew in intensity and size. And what's that all? 142 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:48.200 How does an object get bigger and brighter? 143 00:09:49.080 --> 00:09:49.200 Right? 144 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:54.679 And then it moved again to another area of deep water. 145 00:09:55.600 --> 00:09:59.039 I don't know what that means, but it's certainly fascinating. 146 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.799 And then fire finally took off out to see. So 147 00:10:02.960 --> 00:10:06.320 here these Japanese fishermen in nineteen oh four trying to 148 00:10:06.399 --> 00:10:10.000 process what they saw, and they decide it was the 149 00:10:10.039 --> 00:10:11.159 ghost of a fisherman. 150 00:10:13.519 --> 00:10:16.440 Hey, I mean, if that's the best they could come 151 00:10:16.480 --> 00:10:21.080 up with, though you kind of based upon their experiences 152 00:10:21.120 --> 00:10:23.799 without airships and things like that to really compare it. 153 00:10:23.759 --> 00:10:29.519 To Yeah, and as we're seeing along, nobody's saying aliens. 154 00:10:29.679 --> 00:10:33.399 Nobody's saying martians, No one's you know, they're trying to 155 00:10:33.519 --> 00:10:38.240 either they think it's a spiritual thing or you know, 156 00:10:38.480 --> 00:10:44.679 some something natural, which clearly what that ball of light 157 00:10:44.759 --> 00:10:48.960 did was was not natural. In nineteen oh eight, the 158 00:10:49.080 --> 00:10:53.799 ship the USS justin, all of the officers and most 159 00:10:53.840 --> 00:10:58.240 of the crew saw a mysterious light near Diamond Head. 160 00:10:58.320 --> 00:11:04.200 Again it was they described a strange craft with red, 161 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:10.320 blue and white lights. Again, nineteen oh eight wasn't an aircraft. 162 00:11:10.519 --> 00:11:15.919 They didn't have aircraft like that in Hawaii and nineteen 163 00:11:15.960 --> 00:11:20.120 oh eight, and the articles said that it was so 164 00:11:20.399 --> 00:11:24.360 strange they wondered. They all wondered if they were dreaming. 165 00:11:24.840 --> 00:11:28.240 But you know, if one man had it, he could 166 00:11:28.240 --> 00:11:32.000 say was dreaming when all the officers and crew have it. 167 00:11:32.519 --> 00:11:35.080 And then they said the same thing. Well, maybe it 168 00:11:35.159 --> 00:11:38.039 was a flying ghost. So I guess ghosts were a 169 00:11:38.039 --> 00:11:42.519 lot more accepted back then. 170 00:11:42.960 --> 00:11:45.240 Right versus UFOs aliens. 171 00:11:45.320 --> 00:11:49.440 Now, Yeah, interesting, Yeah. 172 00:11:49.840 --> 00:11:58.240 September of nineteen seventeen in Lapahoy Hoy. Hopefully that is correct. 173 00:11:59.679 --> 00:12:04.759 Three nights in a row, a cluster of lights fifteen 174 00:12:04.919 --> 00:12:08.360 miles out to sea, So that may seem like a 175 00:12:08.399 --> 00:12:12.200 long distance, but you know, on a clear, very dark 176 00:12:12.279 --> 00:12:16.039 Hawaiian night. That's that's not that far. 177 00:12:16.799 --> 00:12:17.200 They said. 178 00:12:17.279 --> 00:12:23.600 Everyone was thrown into great excitement because this cluster of lights. 179 00:12:23.600 --> 00:12:26.320 We're not talking about two or three little points of light. 180 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:31.440 They said they stretched for ten miles like there was 181 00:12:31.480 --> 00:12:39.159 an entire town out on the water. That's what a sighting. 182 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:44.240 For three nights in a row, ten mile wide stretch 183 00:12:44.799 --> 00:12:51.559 of unbelievable amount of lights. Just the next month, in October, 184 00:12:53.039 --> 00:12:56.759 there were two lights about two thousand feet in the 185 00:12:56.799 --> 00:13:02.919 air over the Wayaqia plantation. They said it had odd movements. 186 00:13:03.600 --> 00:13:07.399 One of the objects seemed to be about ten foot square, 187 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:12.799 the other about five foot square, and the smaller light 188 00:13:13.639 --> 00:13:18.879 circled the larger when one and then took off inland. 189 00:13:19.159 --> 00:13:23.559 And there were many, many witnesses. So there's some great 190 00:13:23.600 --> 00:13:26.440 sightings really early. 191 00:13:28.120 --> 00:13:31.600 And good descriptions and witnesses who shouldn't know what they're 192 00:13:31.639 --> 00:13:32.240 talking about. 193 00:13:32.600 --> 00:13:36.279 Yeah, yeah, so we're gonna we're going to jump a 194 00:13:36.320 --> 00:13:39.600 couple of decades. But why don't we take our first 195 00:13:39.799 --> 00:13:49.799 break right here. Hudson Riverradio dot com. 196 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:59.159 Hudson River Radio. Your dog likes us. So we're back 197 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:03.519 with some Hawaiian UFO sightings. And I just thought, Linda, 198 00:14:03.600 --> 00:14:08.320 you mentioned taking your the horse down into the caldera 199 00:14:08.440 --> 00:14:12.840 I guess of the volcano and it looking like another planet. See, 200 00:14:12.840 --> 00:14:15.639 we're very much alike in that I like going to 201 00:14:15.679 --> 00:14:21.519 a volcanic island Iceland. Prefer a volcanic island like Hawaii. 202 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:25.720 But oh, I wouldn't mind going to Iceland, but I 203 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:31.519 prefer Maui. Most rational people would prefer Maui over Iceland. 204 00:14:32.039 --> 00:14:34.600 Probably probably that's that is true. 205 00:14:35.200 --> 00:14:42.000 But yeah, volcanoes are such remarkable powerful spots. I mean, 206 00:14:42.480 --> 00:14:46.639 you know, you're the planet basically rips itself open and 207 00:14:46.759 --> 00:14:53.559 spews out lava. There. I we went to Mount Saint Helen's, 208 00:14:54.080 --> 00:14:57.279 uh several years ago. I was giving a lecture out there, 209 00:14:57.600 --> 00:15:01.399 and you know, you see this in credibly huge mountain 210 00:15:01.759 --> 00:15:07.679 torn in half. And I can't imagine the force of 211 00:15:07.720 --> 00:15:15.759 that eruption. As you're driving away, mile after mile, there 212 00:15:15.840 --> 00:15:19.279 are signs that say this damaged happened here it was 213 00:15:19.840 --> 00:15:22.720 I can't remember. I'm thinking it was like fifteen or 214 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:28.879 twenty miles. I may be off where still there was damage. 215 00:15:29.039 --> 00:15:33.600 That's crazy, that's incredible, the power of nature. Yeah, yeah, 216 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:36.519 and imagine imagine the ancient Hawaiians, the people of the 217 00:15:36.519 --> 00:15:41.679 indigenous Hawaiians living on the island, experiencing these phenomena and 218 00:15:41.720 --> 00:15:43.840 what would they how did they process it and think 219 00:15:43.879 --> 00:15:44.679 about it? Oh? 220 00:15:44.799 --> 00:15:50.200 Yeah, and the Pele the uh, the goddess there of 221 00:15:50.320 --> 00:15:55.600 the volcanoes and fire, and she is very strong in 222 00:15:55.639 --> 00:15:59.679 their culture because, like you say, it's their lives are 223 00:15:59.720 --> 00:16:06.200 dumbin donated by the sea and volcanoes there. And yeah, 224 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:09.440 when it comes between to the two of them, volcanoes wins. 225 00:16:09.840 --> 00:16:17.159 Volcanoes win. So let's let's jump to nineteen fifty a 226 00:16:17.519 --> 00:16:22.919 Project Blue Book case. There was a cannery. I don't 227 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:26.080 know if it was a fish cannery or a pineapple 228 00:16:26.159 --> 00:16:31.360 cannery or some cannery and the manager and staff. This 229 00:16:31.600 --> 00:16:38.679 was in Kapaha. It was Saturday, October seventh, nineteen fifty seven, 230 00:16:38.840 --> 00:16:45.679 twenty five pm. A luminous object circular with soft white 231 00:16:45.919 --> 00:16:51.440 light was moving over the cannery from south to north 232 00:16:52.159 --> 00:16:57.960 and a rose and finally disappeared into some cumulus clouds. 233 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:05.279 So again, circular object. It sounds pretty classic. You could 234 00:17:05.279 --> 00:17:12.440 probably put this case into somewhere anywhere around the world. 235 00:17:12.519 --> 00:17:20.599 In Kawhi, January nineteen fifty one. Many saw a silvery 236 00:17:21.200 --> 00:17:27.000 disk against a blue sky, which caught my attention because 237 00:17:27.039 --> 00:17:32.519 that means at daylight sighting, so you're not looking at 238 00:17:32.599 --> 00:17:39.240 some indistinct lights in the darkness, you're seeing a silvery disk. 239 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.519 They all said they had no idea how it was powered. 240 00:17:45.279 --> 00:17:53.119 It was clearly intelligently controlled, and also disappeared into the clouds. 241 00:17:53.160 --> 00:17:56.880 We hear that all the time. Things kind of hide 242 00:17:57.079 --> 00:18:01.839 in the clouds, and the the article said that this 243 00:18:01.960 --> 00:18:06.279 was January of fifty one. It was the third report 244 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:11.400 of flying discs since Christmas Eve, so a little bit 245 00:18:11.440 --> 00:18:16.920 of a wave there in early nineteen fifty one, nineteen 246 00:18:17.079 --> 00:18:21.880 fifty two in Leahina and Brian and I were talking 247 00:18:21.920 --> 00:18:25.440 a little bit Lahina before the show. What a gorgeous 248 00:18:25.480 --> 00:18:30.799 town and what a tragedy the fire that wiped it out. 249 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:35.640 It was such a charming, beautiful place. Hopefully it is 250 00:18:35.839 --> 00:18:39.359 built back with the same charm it had, but I 251 00:18:39.440 --> 00:18:46.160 have my doubts. Anyway, US submarine was sitting there and 252 00:18:46.279 --> 00:18:54.359 by Leahina forty crewmen, fifteen of them had binoculars, watched 253 00:18:54.599 --> 00:19:00.680 two gold discs flying around and then and they said, 254 00:19:00.839 --> 00:19:06.359 took off into space. So you're lucky. You get one 255 00:19:06.440 --> 00:19:11.079 person with no binoculars. Here, you have forty submarine crew 256 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:15.119 Navy personnel fifteen with me, and the Navy has some 257 00:19:15.240 --> 00:19:16.359 decent binoculars. 258 00:19:16.440 --> 00:19:16.880 I bet. 259 00:19:17.640 --> 00:19:20.279 Oh, I'm sure. And this is the beginnings of the 260 00:19:20.960 --> 00:19:24.200 Cold War, so you know that they're watching out for 261 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:29.680 Soviet anything, Soviet's biplanes or right. They're not looking for 262 00:19:29.720 --> 00:19:33.200 aliens necessarily, they're looking for Hey, you know, this is 263 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:35.599 our military and we're at a Cold war now with 264 00:19:35.640 --> 00:19:42.839 our former ally. I guess yeah, I just I can't 265 00:19:42.880 --> 00:19:45.720 imagine what those you know, what they're thinking when you 266 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:48.599 see something like that, with the first thought in your 267 00:19:48.599 --> 00:19:52.440 mind being oh, is this the Russians? Yeah, and then 268 00:19:52.559 --> 00:19:56.319 realizing like, wait a minute, those are two gold discs 269 00:19:56.440 --> 00:20:02.319 and wait they're shooting off into space. And I wish 270 00:20:02.400 --> 00:20:05.279 we had people that had written down those their personal 271 00:20:05.319 --> 00:20:08.079 feelings of those encounters at the moment, like what did 272 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:11.160 they think? Yeah, how'd they process that? 273 00:20:11.799 --> 00:20:12.039 Oh? 274 00:20:12.119 --> 00:20:15.279 Yeah, probably thinking we wish it was the Russians? 275 00:20:15.359 --> 00:20:17.000 Now how do we deal with it? 276 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:17.839 Yeah? 277 00:20:17.920 --> 00:20:19.200 How do we deal with this? 278 00:20:20.480 --> 00:20:20.920 All? Right? 279 00:20:20.960 --> 00:20:25.759 So now we're going to the Big Island nineteen fifty five, 280 00:20:26.680 --> 00:20:31.319 early in fifty five on the saddle road to Heilo. 281 00:20:32.839 --> 00:20:36.000 Some family was visiting other family. They got back in 282 00:20:36.079 --> 00:20:39.920 their truck and one of the passenger window I guess 283 00:20:40.079 --> 00:20:45.240 or do I have the driver's window was broken, so 284 00:20:45.279 --> 00:20:48.359 they had a tarp. You know, people cover up broken 285 00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:52.119 windows with tarps, and this strange. I didn't know if 286 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:55.839 was a gust of wind or whatever. Something was pushing 287 00:20:55.880 --> 00:21:01.279 on the truck and pushed the tarp in. All right, 288 00:21:01.359 --> 00:21:03.559 So they think, all right, the tarp got blown in. 289 00:21:03.759 --> 00:21:07.720 They go to push the tarp back, it won't budge. 290 00:21:07.920 --> 00:21:12.400 Something solid is pushing in the tarp. Now, this is 291 00:21:12.559 --> 00:21:17.440 very disconcerting. Then something starts knocking on the roof, so 292 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:25.240 something's on this truck. Then they see red lights approaching 293 00:21:25.799 --> 00:21:28.680 and they assume it's the tail lights of another car 294 00:21:29.160 --> 00:21:34.200 that they're catching up to. And then it vanishes and 295 00:21:34.240 --> 00:21:38.759 the force stops. So unusual. 296 00:21:39.279 --> 00:21:40.599 Ye unusual? 297 00:21:40.799 --> 00:21:46.319 Yeah, what was that force on the car? I bet 298 00:21:46.319 --> 00:21:48.640 they got that window fixed real quick after that. 299 00:21:49.480 --> 00:21:53.279 I recommend that anybody on your window get it fixed. 300 00:21:53.359 --> 00:21:54.599 You get it fixed. 301 00:21:55.119 --> 00:21:59.400 Yeah, some of these they're just you know, I can't 302 00:21:59.400 --> 00:22:03.960 even begin to think. What was something on the vehicle 303 00:22:04.079 --> 00:22:07.319 trying to get in through the tarp or it was 304 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:10.880 just some sort of force field. I don't know, but 305 00:22:11.039 --> 00:22:14.440 a force strong enough to push a truck that's moving 306 00:22:16.839 --> 00:22:21.000 is pretty pretty substantial. Just two months later on that 307 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:24.279 same saddle road. So if you're in Hawaii looking for 308 00:22:24.680 --> 00:22:27.640 a hot spot, I think the saddle road to Hilo 309 00:22:29.079 --> 00:22:30.240 is a place to go. 310 00:22:31.079 --> 00:22:32.319 It was five. 311 00:22:32.240 --> 00:22:38.279 County officials in two different cars, and as they're driving along, 312 00:22:38.440 --> 00:22:42.200 they see a couple of reddish lights and a couple 313 00:22:42.240 --> 00:22:47.079 of yellowish lights, and they're not like regular car lights. 314 00:22:47.160 --> 00:22:50.519 They described them as kind of a dull light, but 315 00:22:50.680 --> 00:22:57.519 clearly alongside with them, and then they just vanish, So 316 00:22:57.680 --> 00:23:00.799 it's like something was keeping pace with them, was checking 317 00:23:00.799 --> 00:23:05.480 them out, and then just took off. In March of 318 00:23:05.559 --> 00:23:11.119 fifty five, in Puna, four people were driving and they 319 00:23:11.240 --> 00:23:18.480 saw suddenly two bright, bluish white beams. They described it 320 00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:22.599 as like dancing around. So these beams are coming down dancing, 321 00:23:23.119 --> 00:23:26.480 And they specifically said, but they weren't a cool aile, 322 00:23:27.880 --> 00:23:32.599 So a cool aile or But so that's how ingrained 323 00:23:32.640 --> 00:23:35.640 it is in the culture. We saw beams of light, 324 00:23:35.880 --> 00:23:38.920 not a cool aile. I thought that was a great 325 00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:44.359 added feature. They could see that there was a quote, 326 00:23:44.759 --> 00:23:51.240 black mass behind the beams of light. It was perfectly silent. 327 00:23:51.519 --> 00:23:55.400 Apparently they had a very strong flashlight and tried to 328 00:23:55.440 --> 00:23:58.119 shine it on the object, but they couldn't make it 329 00:23:58.160 --> 00:24:04.880 out and it took off. And these are the reports 330 00:24:05.200 --> 00:24:08.640 people you know, had the courage to come out with 331 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:12.440 what the heck's been going on in Hawaii all through 332 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:15.200 the years that people. 333 00:24:14.920 --> 00:24:17.359 Don't well, who's not reporting them? 334 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:18.200 Right? 335 00:24:18.240 --> 00:24:20.480 How many? How many people saw something like this? And 336 00:24:21.400 --> 00:24:25.079 we're in a position like I'm not gonna I'm not 337 00:24:25.079 --> 00:24:26.319 going to put myself out there. 338 00:24:26.880 --> 00:24:29.119 Yeah, yeah, I would imagine. 339 00:24:29.119 --> 00:24:30.400 I would imagine there's a lot more. 340 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:32.200 Yeah, I think. 341 00:24:34.359 --> 00:24:36.440 You know, you can never know what you don't know, 342 00:24:37.119 --> 00:24:40.799 but you know, groups of people have been asked. You know, 343 00:24:40.880 --> 00:24:43.559 out of one hundred people who had an experience who 344 00:24:43.640 --> 00:24:49.680 reported it, and it's much less than ten percent. So 345 00:24:49.680 --> 00:24:53.119 so yeah, these are these are fascinating cases. The ones 346 00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:58.000 that we know about back to lahina A nineteen fifty 347 00:24:58.039 --> 00:25:03.559 six project blue book case January twentieth an orange light 348 00:25:04.000 --> 00:25:06.920 which means it wasn't a Nikoola lee light because it 349 00:25:07.000 --> 00:25:11.279 was orange, not blue or green. I learned that. So 350 00:25:12.319 --> 00:25:18.480 a lot of times investigators reports take reports that if 351 00:25:18.559 --> 00:25:22.039 you held this object at arm's length, was at the 352 00:25:22.079 --> 00:25:25.400 size of the craft you saw. In this case, they 353 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:28.119 said it was like the size of a quarter held 354 00:25:28.119 --> 00:25:33.400 at arm's length, which is still pretty substantial. This woman 355 00:25:33.599 --> 00:25:39.920 heard a muffled roar and for twenty five minutes watched 356 00:25:40.000 --> 00:25:45.079 this orange light hover take off into the distance, go 357 00:25:45.200 --> 00:25:48.839 in and out of a valley. It went very fast, 358 00:25:49.359 --> 00:25:53.200 it hovered, it came back and forth, and apparently for 359 00:25:53.400 --> 00:25:59.599 months she had been seeing objects like this, so she 360 00:25:59.839 --> 00:26:04.359 was The reporting officer said she was a fifty six 361 00:26:04.480 --> 00:26:09.240 year old woman who Now normally, if you've read blue bookcases, 362 00:26:09.400 --> 00:26:16.680 they're always saying this person's unreliable. It's they try to 363 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:20.799 discredit the observer as much as possible. But in this case, 364 00:26:21.599 --> 00:26:28.839 he said she was mature, sincere, intelligent and responsible and 365 00:26:29.000 --> 00:26:34.519 doesn't even believe in UFOs, so I guess. 366 00:26:34.319 --> 00:26:35.920 And that's part of the report. 367 00:26:36.200 --> 00:26:39.519 That's part of the report. So apparently that gave her 368 00:26:39.559 --> 00:26:44.839 credibility because she doesn't believe in UFOs, so they couldn't 369 00:26:45.240 --> 00:26:50.160 call it a UFO, you know, an unknown because we 370 00:26:50.319 --> 00:26:53.519 now she's credible. Now we have to display, you know, 371 00:26:53.640 --> 00:26:57.160 we have to do something to discredit this orange light 372 00:26:57.319 --> 00:27:00.119 for twenty five minutes, bouncing up and down and hovering 373 00:27:00.160 --> 00:27:04.279 and stopping, and so they just they decided that she 374 00:27:04.759 --> 00:27:12.519 was looking at the tail the exhaust of an aircraft, 375 00:27:13.680 --> 00:27:17.480 and when asked, well, why did it have all these 376 00:27:17.519 --> 00:27:21.240 different characteristics of everything it was doing? I love this. 377 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:26.599 It was due to diffusion and refraction of an exhaust. 378 00:27:28.000 --> 00:27:29.119 What does that even mean? 379 00:27:30.920 --> 00:27:35.640 I you know, my la, my late grandfather used to say, 380 00:27:35.839 --> 00:27:37.880 if you want to make sound something sound like it's 381 00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:40.440 real or credible, just throw a whole bunch of big, 382 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.200 fancy words in there. And that's what it sounds like. 383 00:27:43.240 --> 00:27:45.799 They're just doing, like, oh, it's refraction. 384 00:27:45.519 --> 00:27:51.599 Reflection, diffusion of an aircraft exhaust. 385 00:27:52.359 --> 00:27:56.000 I know, I know, but now frustrates me. 386 00:27:56.640 --> 00:27:57.119 Yeah. 387 00:27:57.240 --> 00:28:02.480 The whole report, you know, they they release the the 388 00:28:03.160 --> 00:28:08.200 summary card which has this exhaust explanation. They didn't know 389 00:28:08.279 --> 00:28:12.160 that someday all of these documents would be to classified 390 00:28:12.240 --> 00:28:16.160 because if you read the whole document, it says the 391 00:28:16.359 --> 00:28:21.160 FAA said there were no aircraft in flight at that 392 00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:22.799 time in that area. 393 00:28:23.880 --> 00:28:28.720 So it just so in their own report they acknowledged 394 00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:32.200 there's no aircraft right in the area. But yet their 395 00:28:32.279 --> 00:28:36.160 official explanation is that what she saw was something caused 396 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:42.319 by an aircraft. Yes, yes, so essentially, you know, credibility wise, 397 00:28:42.480 --> 00:28:44.720 they have destroyed their well we don't even need to 398 00:28:44.720 --> 00:28:47.480 win their Project Blue Books credibility, but if you need, 399 00:28:48.440 --> 00:28:52.480 if you need an example of you know, let's show 400 00:28:52.519 --> 00:28:56.279 the public this. But well, we know the truth. I'm 401 00:28:56.279 --> 00:28:58.839