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in Indy, obviously I'm trying to put my ear to
the ground to see what the New Orleans Saints are
going to do. Now, I saw a lot of teams
that I never really saw a lot of Saints personnel,
like obviously they're there, but I was hoping to run
into Mickey Loomis. I was hoping to see if we
could get him on the show. I know Kellen Moore
was kind of doing a lot of different things. He
was doing like a uh surface ad A couple of
different times I saw him like the actual Microsoft.
Speaker 1: I saw the actual woman with him at Schuck. Yeah,
like a whole commercial. Yeah, so he was busy. Okay,
you know I should have seen.
Speaker 4: I should have seen if Tolsy was there, he might
not have been there either way. So I'm trying to
figure out, Okay, what are the New Orleans Saints going
to do? And I think a lot of people, you know,
depending on how it falls. You know, you never know.
Somebody you love, my fault to you that you weren't expecting.
But a lot of people are expecting it to be
an all defensive player and an offensive skill player and
a receiver.
Speaker 1: You start to look at this receiver class.
Speaker 4: All right, Jordan Tyson, who was there but didn't do
anything except bench press because he's still nursing a hamshrink
that he got at Arizona State. Okay, Jordan Tyson, great player,
has had some injury history. It worries you a little bit, right,
red Flax, whenever you have a ham shring, soft issue
or a receiver, no doubt about it. So he's still
dealing with that. Okay, We've got to put that in
our memory bank. Cardinal Tate Carnal Tate ran a four
to five certainly not the time that all the other
receivers were putting out there. The receivers were a very
impressive group. I'm not saying four or five slow. It's not,
but it's not elite either. He's six three, one hundred
and ninety five pounds, so he's in that frame that
you're looking for. But Cardinal Tate, and again this is
a good football player, But Cardinal Tate's never been Batman.
He's only ever been Robin. Marvin Harrison Junior was the
number one receiver two years ago. Jeremiah Smith was the
number one receiver this year. Cardinal Tate's always been the
second receiver. Now he can go have a very productive career.
He can make a lot of plays. But are you
going to take a guy that's only ever been number
two in the top ten? You have to ask yourself
that question because if you take somebody in the top ten,
they got to be one. Even if you have Chris Lave.
If you take somebody in the top ten, they got
to be teddor Old McMillan, who just won Offensive Rookie
of the Year. Right, you can't be Robin and be
a top ten pick?
Speaker 1: Is it? In there.
Speaker 4: Maybe it is, but we don't know. He's always been
a secondary piece to somebody that was. You know, Marvin
Harrison Junior a top ten pick. Jeremiah Smith's going to
be a top ten pick. Right then we get to
Denzel Boston then had the best combine. All right, all right,
you go to Makaya Lemon. They do a whole lot
at the combine. He's also five ten and some change
one hundred ninety pounds. You're looking for something. I think
I think a little bit different, looking for a different
body type.
Speaker 1: All right.
Speaker 4: I love Omar Cooper Junior out of Indiana, love everything
about that guy's game. Okay, but he's not a top
ten pick. We know that he's a top forty pick.
Maybe you get him at forty two. Maybe. But I
bring that up because is there really a receiver that
you can trust right now at eight?
Speaker 1: I don't know that there is.
Speaker 4: It's not to say there's not talented enough receivers, but
with the top guy on a lot of people's board
an injury guy, a guy that's missed games, a guy
that missed the combine because of injury, and the other
guy being a guy, it's always been a two never
been a one.
Speaker 1: Are you ready to take that guy in the top ten?
Speaker 4: And I gotta be honest, I don't know that I
would feel comfortable right now. And as much as I
want the Saints to at a playmaker, I don't know
that it can come from the receiver position.
Speaker 5: Top ten is so tricky because that's how everybody always
feels like, if you're a top ten pick, you got
to go in and be Superman. You got to be
go in and make an immediate impact, which isn't always
the case, you know. I guess counter argument to that
would be, like, you don't have to make a pick
that makes that always has to.
Speaker 1: Make that immediate impact.
Speaker 5: It can be somebody that you have that's going to
make a bigger impact over the next four or five
years and not necessarily immediate.
Speaker 1: I guess the other.
Speaker 5: Thing would be is your technically lave is your number one,
so you're not looking for your absolute number one with
and the number two receivers so far below, Like this
could be like a one A, one B situation. But
I asked Nick Underhill last week about this, Like, to me,
the positions of need nobody is sticking out, like Okay,
look it's the Saints. There's a lot of positions in need.
I get it. But for what everybody is thinking is
the obvious pick. Help your your your new franchise quarterback out,
give them weapons. Like this draft to me screams trade back.
Yeah for me now, because a lot of those names
you mentioned, you'd feel what you let's say, a completely
different conversation if you're picking them at eighteen nineteen or
twenty five, twenty.
Speaker 1: Six, completely different.
Speaker 5: Completely You're like, yeah, take that guy for sure, that's
a no brainer at that position. Which there's so many
receivers being talked about in this first round, like they're
gonna be some of those guys are going to be available,
and they're gonna be available into the second round. So
there's so many positions to do like this, This draft screams,
screams trade back. But that is not making Lewis's playbook. No,
I think everybody would like to do that. If you
are going today you brought up the linebacker from Ohio
State at the end of our one, Like, if you're
going to do something like that, that's truly a best
player available type situation. That's the same you same could
be said for Jeremiah Love as well, best type of
player available. It's not a pick that you were a
team like the Saints that has all these different needs.
Those two positions aren't necessarily the sexy picks or the
picks that you want for that for where the Saints
are right now, but they're probably going to be people
that are going to be very productive for multiple multiple years.
But you would like to either get more assets or
hit an asset that is going to make any immediate impact.
To your point, like nobody is just jumping off the
board to you, right, You're like, ye, that's an obvious choice.
He'll definitely be there, you know, at pick eight, and
it's an obvious choice for what our need is. So
if you're not going to take best player available, don't
reach and take a second round wide receiver in a
top ten pick, trade that asset because you could probably
get him in the twenties.
Speaker 4: And so if that's the case, right, if you don't
trade back because that hadn't been their mo to your point,
and if you do, I love what you just laid
out there.
Speaker 1: But if you've done.
Speaker 5: First and you can get another second, or you can
get another third or something like that, and you need
it in positions there's going to be there's like we
talked about defensive end, you want to rush here, there's
so it's so deep, there's gonna be rushers available in
the third and fourth round.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Trader, this class is deep with three e's in
the middle of edge.
Speaker 5: Rusher trade your first rounder, get an extra third this
year at a fifth next year.
Speaker 1: Right, you know what I mean. I love that plan.
I do.
Speaker 4: That's how I should I if I was a general
manager or if I was the assistant you were the GM.
Speaker 1: That's what we do. It's not what Mickey Loomis is
probably going to do. Yeah, Lewis probably like sees that.
Speaker 5: What's the linebacker's name, Ohio State, Sunny Styles, Sunny Styles.
His performance of the combine just made your eighth pick
more valuable.
Speaker 1: Trade, Oh, no doubt.
Speaker 4: Now if Washington doesn't select him at seven, and if
he makes it there now, but if they don't and
you sit there and you're kind of a hand that
we don't know exactly where you're leaning, Oh my gosh,
you hold the power of the world in your hands
during that moment, during that part of the day. You know,
teams are like Oh my god, we need Sonny Styles.
You know that you look good or could be RVL
res high on RVL reas.
Speaker 1: Don't think Mike Brable would like to see him at
a Patriots uniform, right, And they'll give it up from Yeah, yeah,
they'll give up a lot. I'll give up a lot
because that guy is going to be so again because
I want it's a young gun offense right, young at
the most expensive position. So yeah, mhm. And I worked
with Pat Kerwin again.
Speaker 4: Pat's been in the game, you know, decades in the
NFL in the front office, and he said there might
only be two gold jacket guys in this draft, and
he said, I think Sonny Styles is one of them, right,
So like you could get potentially that. So if if
you don't feel like he meets what you're looking for,
there's a lot of teams that he would that would
be willing to move up. So again, like that's a
play that we would like to It's not probably going
to happen. It's just not the way that they go
about the NFL draft. So if they don't, if they
stay at eight, they're still looking for a playmaker good.
Kenyon Sadik out of Oregon. The tight end maybe fit
what they're looking for because he's an F. He's not
a y tight end, right, we talk about that all time.
A y tight end is a yackle of sorts. He
is going to be an extension of the offensive line.
He's got three fingers and they're in the ground and
he's attached to that tackle. The F is think more,
Travis Kelcey, think Antonio Gates. You caught an everybody he
caught an H.
Speaker 1: What'd you call the other tight end?
Speaker 6: You?
Speaker 1: I've never heard that. You're wrong. So half as a fullback?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but if the fullbacks and a half is twelve person,
Now the F stays the F and it becomes a
second tight end.
Speaker 1: Silly. And if he's not the F, he's the H
and a lot of offenses you I don't know.
Speaker 5: Why that's for those people that have those offenses, all
the dumb guys on it.
Speaker 4: Sure, Bud, okay, the second tight end because Matthew thinks
only the Green Bay Pack came up with offensive football, right,
so the second tight end?
Speaker 1: All right? Keep going? Sorry, what would you like to
label this tight end? Bud tight Yeah, but not the
why the other one? It's different?
Speaker 4: Though, every team has one guy that is going to Okay,
you don't mute his microphone when you play with a
tight end that's got a gold jacket named Antonio Gates.
That isn't the best inline blocker. He can do some
of it. He's willing, but he's not the best. We
call that guy an f and that is what I think.
Sadiq is probably going to play at the next level. Okay,
So if you're the New Orleans Saints and you know
that information, Foster Morrow is going to be a free agent,
Taysom mill who knows, all right, So you got Juwan Johnson.
I don't know that i'd love him as my WHY
tight end either. He's not the best blocker in the world.
But if you do sign a true WHY tight end,
could he be the guy that is your playmaker that
you're looking to add. You're gonna ask him to do
some tight end stuff. You're also going to ask him
to do some slot receiver stuff, all right. So he
measures in at six three, two hundred and forty one pounds,
four to three nine on the forty forty three and
a half inch vertical jump, eleven to one on the
broad jump. In twenty six reps of two twenty five
on the bench press. That might actually be the most
important number. That tells me he's got some strength to him.
That tells me he can handle maybe some stuff in
the run.
Speaker 1: Game, some wide tendencies. There you go, you're picking up
Antonio Gates chargers position. F who's your tight ends in
Green Bay? A bunch? The best one? Uh? Well? Early
on Jre Michael Finley. Okay, as Antonio Gates for a
couple of years, he's better. Look it up.
Speaker 4: You think that he was ever better than Antonio Gates
for a couple of years.
Speaker 1: To his mom and dad, that's it. And I guess
you all right, we're talking about somebody that's maybe the
best ever at his position. You're an idiot anyways, best
ever in his position? Just reach y'all? Can y'all help
me here? He's f though, which it's a Y and
an F?
Speaker 4: What what offenses were you in that you didn't label
the tight end?
Speaker 1: So was he ever?
Speaker 6: At?
Speaker 1: Was he ever the only tight end on the field? Yeah?
Speaker 4: They didn't became the why, but a lot of times
we were in twelve personnel and the why would be
detached or be attached.
Speaker 1: I didn't say he ever did it, like he only
did one thing, but he was more of an F
tight end twelve personnel. There's a Y and there's an F,
or there's a Y and there's a U. However you
label it. You know what I'm talking.
Speaker 4: About, Michael Finn, Like that is that's egregious, as an
egregious statement that you just reaction I got though, I
don't even remember what I was talking about anyways. Uh
So the Saints could potentially see this guy Kenyon City
got at Oregon as maybe the playmaker at eight taty.
Speaker 1: I know that you mentioned.
Speaker 4: Ross wrote an article on Louisiana Sports dot Net about
this because he's not lasting much longer than eight I
don't think, not after what he did at the Combine.
Speaker 1: No, I mean he's going first round for sure.
Speaker 2: Like LuSE actually brought this up when he was hosting
on AFR Friday, and then Ross included him as well,
like an Eli Stower's a couple of rounds later.
Speaker 1: Was a guy that people loved.
Speaker 2: But look if you're in love with the Kenyon Sadi,
we see a lot of people do this recently. Like
I mean, I understand he wasn't the flashiest guy in college,
like a brock Bowers. But brock Powers did it and
kind of set the league on fires. A rookie was
really the only weapon the Raiders had. Like you see
tight ends getting drafted higher and higher because the position's changed.
Speaker 4: Matthew, would you take a tight end? Nope, Nope at
a high No, I'm taking sight at eight. We've seen
this happen before. Now brock Bowers went a little bit later.
Cal Pitts did go before Tamar Chase.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Raiders lost like every game too. All Lions
actually did that.
Speaker 2: If you'all remember with Eric Ebron a couple of years
ago with uh out of North Carolina.
Speaker 1: Now that's that's what the Lions pre r Campbell.
Speaker 5: Has there ever been a tight end taking top ten that? Like,
everybody agrees that that that was a great, great move.
Speaker 1: I mean, Vernon Davis pretty damn good for a long time.
To you to your point though, was he Gosh, she
was really good? But want to you want to take
you again?
Speaker 5: It's the same, It's the same conversation trade back into
the twenties.
Speaker 1: Nobody's nobody's complaining the.
Speaker 4: Fact that we can kind of remember the one that
kind of worked kind of worked out.
Speaker 1: I get it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that we we've failed to mention that there Saints
do have a very valuable trade asset.
Speaker 1: Oh wait, I thought I was told that it wasn't
a good backup quarterback. No. Oh, Derek Carr. Oh, he's
not host of the Homegrown Network, if anyone.
Speaker 5: That we can talk about as a whole segment. But
I did hear, and I'd like to ask Nick Underhill.
There are rumors saying that they Saints have filled it
approximately zero calls of interest for Derek Carr.
Speaker 1: That's less than one.
Speaker 5: That's less than one, top one and one that's true.
Not a single call, not a single call. Apparently he's
a report of the damn New York Jets. Come on,
what do you have to lose at this point? Apparently
the Jets are talking with the Cardinals Tyler Murray currently.
That seems that seems like a fit. Sure, And it
also seems like the Vikings said that they're ready to
move on from JJ McCarthy. That's reports ready, These are
reports from the Twitter.
Speaker 7: I mean there's talk of Kirk Cousins potentially, I mean
not back in Minnesota.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Minnesota. Some of the whispers in Indie War. They
liked Anthony Richardson too.
Speaker 2: Oh geez, what you know Dan Campbell. Dan Campbell's pushing that.
He's like, please go get Anthony Richardson.
Speaker 5: And so last off season there was a lot of
talking about Aaron Rodgers to Minnesota, but Minnesota ended up saying, no,
we're gonna stick with JJ McCarthy. So now that they
don't want to stick, is that potential I don't know?
Speaker 4: So fun So the news of Anthony Richardson asking for
a trade, I think that broke on Wednesday.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they Hamilton Tiger Cats were all over it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so Tuesday they were actually they were at the combine.
I saw them represented. Yeah, trade, great to meet you.
Speaker 1: I said, hey, do you watch that hockey game? You bum?
Speaker 4: So we had changed styching on Tuesday, Colts head coach,
Sorry if you don't know that. And we of course,
like we talked about Philip Rivers for like the first
ten minutes because we were all together in San Diego.
That's how I know Shane, and so how awesome that was,
blah blah blah whatever. And so I was like, all right, well,
shanell me about your quarterback room. Currently and he's like,
all right, yeah, yeah, we want to sign Daniel Jones back,
like we're actively trying everything we can, and goes we
got Anthony Richardson and Riley leonard On and I'm like, oh, he's.
Speaker 1: Not gonna be Yeah, that's bad.
Speaker 4: Oh he's I hope other teams don't listen to this
because they're gonna know that.
Speaker 1: You'll take a bag of peanuts.
Speaker 4: Right now for Anthony Richardson sure, because it was it
was Daniel Jones, well thousands, tens of thousands, it was
Daniel Jones. Wax Poetic Fly by Anthony Richardson, and that
told really nice about Ryland or what he did, so
you kind of.
Speaker 1: Like that felt like it was coming.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And look, Shane Siken said, when they drafted Anthony Richardson,
we're married.
Speaker 1: I know it. My career is going to be his career.
I get that. But it looks like that that's gone
out the wind. They're not married anymore. They're not married.
They got a divorce. The kids gotta choose what never consummitted.
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Speaker 1: You know what I'm talking about. You put a term
to it. It's like a star like No, you put.
Speaker 4: A term to it because it's a different player, just
like an uh A tailback in the fullback are different,
they do some similar things.
Speaker 1: So twelve personnel is what two tight ends it is?
That's that's it. You answered it, no, because not those
two tight ends don't have to be the same. If
you got two y's in there that are just road
grader yatles, it's not too wise. They play the tight
ends in a playbook? Is this say tight ends the same?
Speaker 5: And when they're when they're in meetings and they get
a position meetings, which room do they go into?
Speaker 1: I go to the running back room? But I'm playing fullback,
you dumb dumb, Yes.
Speaker 5: Bro, you are making stuff up because you are so
in entrenched in media talk that you have to give up.
Speaker 1: You have to put a label. No to your question.
If they go into the tight end room, what room
do I go into as a fullback? Is there a
full back room? Or did I go into the running
because nobody has full back because it's an agent and
F because there's only three fullbacks in the NFL. Not
when I was playing, they wouldn't talk about when we
were playing footage in a building on a full back room.
Speaker 4: Yeah, what it's a broom closet. I went into the
running back room, just like the path room. This guy's
got no respect for other positions.
Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect. I love tight ends
of the best. That's what they are, the tight end. Like, hey,
what does this guy play on your team? You're like,
I don't know, don't care. I know what I play. Yeah,
he's off I am. But you know what I'm talking
about is the crazy thing. It's a good pass catching
tight end?
Speaker 8: Is that?
Speaker 6: Is that?
Speaker 1: What it is? The trade s type?
Speaker 8: Is he?
Speaker 1: Is he an F Titan? Yes, very much associated F. Yes,
he's a Z bud. He's a zero an X I
mean in my offense, Yes, he would be. That's gonna
be that. That'll be your term. You'll come up with next.
He's an next tight end. No, we've been saying hy
n F no long time? Who you and Antonio? No,
every offense I've been a part of. Okay, I don't
think so. Just tight end. You want to call Jimbo
right now?
Speaker 5: Well, when you have too tight ends, you have two
tight ends in the game, you have to give them
some sort of label, differentiating.
Speaker 1: On a plane, saying you are judging these people and
stereotyping them with a letter, because that's what they play,
that's what they are. That's why I asked you. When
Antonio gates in the game with one tight end, what
position is it? Then he becomes why why because there's
an F in the game. God, this is god. I can't.
This is okay in the head a lot I did,
but I'm right, it's a star. Okay. Did he work
out with the stars this weekend?
Speaker 4: He didn't work out with anybody, which we'll get to
which we'll get to that, not just him, We'll get
to that.
Speaker 1: Calling all stars the bench press, stars the bench press.
Speaker 4: You know that is such a different conversation, and you're
digging your heels in, you know, it's you know what
I'm talking about?
Speaker 1: What? What? Okay?
Speaker 4: I can't even if we called Jimbo right now and
he's twelve personnel, he would tell you there's a why
and there's an F.
Speaker 5: That's fine. He's not gonna say Hey, that guy right there,
that's an F tight end right there.
Speaker 1: Now he's an F t end. Oh yeah, he's a
Why what it's a tight end? Catch about he catch
pass it better?
Speaker 4: Some of them block better. And that's why you don't
need to separate the rooms. You don't separate it. Everything's
labeled for a reason.
Speaker 1: Antonio Gates did he go into the Hall of Fame
as a wire? And f.
Speaker 5: I can't remember which one? What's what's on his bust?
Why do you get there? Because he was in what's
on his bust? I can't remember what letters.
Speaker 1: I hadn't seen it yet, but he got there because
he was an F tied end.
Speaker 5: And I answering the question, tiptoeing through the tulips, No,
I answered it. This is a good radio electric give
the people what they want. Mhm, Hey, welcome back for real.
Speaker 1: We miss you. This isn't is uncomfortable. I'm fine as comical.
Oh no, this is Finn's been waiting for this moment.
Speaker 4: If there's one thing that I know my beloved co
host hates, it's labeling stuff in football. I know that
I'm with you at the star position. I also think
that's dumb, but The thing that's bothering me is I
know the offenses you've been in.
Speaker 1: Not all of them, not all of them. You're in
a lot of them.
Speaker 6: I know that.
Speaker 4: But I know that you know exactly what I'm talking about,
and you're taking that little Nike dunk shoe that you
have and you are digging it into the ground despite.
Speaker 5: Meir Jordan wants, oh, well, I look like a Nike dunk.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm more a team issued shoes. I don't really know shoes.
It's very nice. Okay, you know what I'm talking about. Okay,
so let's just end the conversation here. Final verdict is
anybody okay with the Saints selecting a tight end?
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. You get it at number eight.
Speaker 2: Not if you're going to use him as a tight end. No,
Like if you would just want to line him up
a receiver.
Speaker 7: Yeah, but no, i''m gonna do that, though even then
I think no, I mean I wouldn't want. You have
some pretty good receivers out there that I mean have
been well chronicled with Lemon and Tate. If they're still
on the board there, I I'd rather take one of
those guys, especially a guy like Tate uh with the
size and the catch radius that he has to kind
of go over the middle forty. Then then maybe a
tight end where you can get a guy like Eli
Stoars potentially on day two if you do want to
draft that position.
Speaker 1: Do you Oh no, no, absolutely not, absolutely, not a
hundred percent. Now where would you feel safe selecting somebody
like that? Twenties, Yeah, eighteen to twenty maybe posts fifteen,
maybe eighteen to twenty five good, you got assets to
be real.
Speaker 5: Good, if you got assets something if it kind of
depends on what you get on the back end of
that trade. Like, I think there's a lot better options.
Eighteen to twenty five move back, better be good and
not just good, better be special. Yeah, I think you
have so many needs right now. And it's not that
he's not a great player.
Speaker 4: I just don't know that that really elevates you to
some of the other places that you could get when
you are when you're heavy and talented at places where
you need help. You can be creative and you can
move back and you can still get I think a
lot of the things that you want. I think you
can move back to fourteen just picking a number and
get it a playmaker at fourteen, get an asset that's
going to be able to give you an edge rusher
with the next pick. And then let's say you still
have forty two. If you get let's go fourteen. The
Cowboys have two first round picks. What are they twelve?
I think, or at twelve. Let's say they want to
move up to eight. All right, you give me both
those first round picks. We'll move up there.
Speaker 1: Missing a defensive start, We'll give you our forty two.
All right, we'll give you eight and forty two. You
give me those two first round picks, and I'm picking.
If I'm the Saints that I'm picking at twelve in
the twenties, that's something like I can get to day.
Speaker 4: One starters with that. Now you know forty two, you
kind of expect a day one starter as well. But
I like, you know, twenty six a lot better. I
like forty two. So you have the ability. The Cowboys
had the ability. And I look, as I said, I
caught up with Steven Jones like thirty minutes their defense.
Like he didn't even try to hide. He's like, no,
we're defense in this draft. Say we're really good on offense.
We're pretty poor on defense, so you have options out there. Yeah,
this is this all sounds really like really great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you would you were bad.
Speaker 5: And you have an asset, use it to the best
of your ability, and use it to something that makes
sense quickly. You have this window of opportunity right now.
Your cap is finally going to be on the right
side of history. You have a young quarterback that's your
franchise quarterback playing under a rookie contract. Don't screw this
up and make you limits. You're on a hot streak.
You got the award for the best draft class. Yeah
in twenty twenty five, let's make it too. Just do
something like this is the time. This is if there
was ever a window, this is the window of opportunity
for you to solidify a lot of those positions that
people always talk about it. You want to hit a
quarterback in the draft, because why, you don't have to.
Speaker 1: Pay them a lot.
Speaker 5: You don't have to pay them starting quarterback money. You
got an asset in the top ten. If you play
your cards right and you find some some eligible and
suitable partners for trades and different assets, and you can
with the eight, especially if that the first seven picks
go the right way. Yeah, you can make a really
strong impact and not only make an immediate impact.
Speaker 1: But to last a long time, last for a handful
of years. So here's hoping.
Speaker 4: I think Saints can be very creative in this draft.
I think they are going to hold a lot of
level bridge at number eight. I think number eight is
like a really good sweet spot because teams are going
to be willing to give up what it takes to
get eight. Maybe they wouldn't have two, maybe they wouldn't
a three, but at eight with the defensive prospects in
this draft. And I can only speak to the coaches
I talked to, but Dan Quinn said defense. Stephen Jones,
you know, assistant GM co owner of the team with
his father, He said defense.
Speaker 1: Not a lot of teams have the assets to trade
up to the top three four picks, but a.
Speaker 4: Lot I always having two first round picks because they
give up Michael Parsons.
Speaker 1: A lot of teams have the assets to trade for
an eight and number eight.
Speaker 4: It's not what they typically do, but they have an
opportunity if they don't do it, like the guy that
they let's say, Sunny Styles goes seven to Washington say
that that was the guy they were eyeing. They don't
feel great about the receiver class where it's at right now.
The Saints should certainly upgrade their draft by moving back.
All right, we will take a break. Long for a break.
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by guy Will Helmer's Louisiana loaded.
Speaker 1: Of course, always good enough to have him.
Speaker 4: Uh, part of the g team comes all over with this,
talks a little baseball and he was going to referee
our tight end uh dispute here.
Speaker 1: That's why he showed up. That's why I'm actually here.
Speaker 4: Yeah, funds obviously right. I didn't hear that part. We
definitely did not hear that part. But we'll always pleasure man.
Hope you're doing well, Man doing well.
Speaker 1: Thank you guys for having me another three and oh
weekend for the LSU fight Tigers. We'll take it. Yeah,
Like and I know they had the midweek loss.
Speaker 4: That's like those aren't They don't matter Yeah, those aren't
things that are gonna make you like, let's.
Speaker 6: Not make or break a season kind of thing. Now.
Speaker 1: I do love how Jay wants to win every game.
Speaker 4: No, I do love that off But and Mecisa was
better on that night, and so you're able to cut
that and win three straight games. You got another game
tonight against Northeastern, but a lot of people pointing to
maybe some of the offensive struggles and maybe we can
get there a little bit later on. It's just one weekend.
They were hitting the ball well before that, but the
pitching staff did not disappoint.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's me.
Speaker 8: They've been more what I was excited about rather than
kind of mad about. Yeah, I'm more excited about. You
get three starters that are looking awesome on the weekend.
Even if you know whatever, Dartmouth Northeastern, who cares, you know,
these guys are getting better every week, it seems like.
And so when you take that into account, if you
can have the guys that you know you're giving up
three runs in three games, I'll take that right, even
if it's against Dartmouth getting into SEC play, the guys
are still going to be over the plate with their stuff,
and all three guys have great stuff and so it's
gonna play in the sec like it or not. And
so if they can continue to get better from the
mounds standpoint, they're gonna be hard to stop because the
offense is gonna come.
Speaker 6: Like it's just kind of how Jay rolls.
Speaker 8: You know, these guys are still getting there at bats,
and they're still you know, working towards getting better at
the plate.
Speaker 6: And you still got a lot of.
Speaker 8: Guys who are new to LSU in the lineup, you know,
new to Alex Box, and they're getting accustomed to what
it feels like there.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and so take you know, you take some of
that into account and getting.
Speaker 8: That into their head their mental side, they're you know,
being comfortable at the box. It's only going to get
better from here. I'm not worried about the offense at all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, from a hitting standpoint. So let's go back last week,
the last Tuesday, the McNeese loss. We were we mentioned
it last week a little bit, and it looked like
watching them take their bats like they were trying to
hit Tiger Stadium. Yeah, Okay, So there's a lot of
subconscious at play and a lot of these things like
and you said you got a lot of new guys.
First time they've probably when they sounded those shot probably
or something. They've ever been to Louisiana. Yeah, they don't
know where. They don't know where mcnice is, right, They
just like the smaller school the schools, right, they have
no clue. So it's you put on the uniform, you're
Alex Box ran National chamb. It's like subconsciously you're like,
is there is whether you're trying to or not. And
it happens in football too. That's why like we hated
the smaller school games. It's like you're like, Okay, we're
better than them. I'm going to get some stats here.
I'm going to make this ball go for a ride.
Whether they're actually trying to or not in their brain,
is that a real thing in these midweek games? Are
you trying to do something a little out of character
that you wouldn't do necessarily in an SEC series.
Speaker 8: I don't want to say you're like physically trying to,
but it's definitely in your some conscious mind, like it's there,
Like even from Louisiana, Like I know like Nichols, Mcnice, Twulane,
you and O. Right, these are all all all four
of those schools we lost to when I was at LSU. Yeah,
you know, it just happens, and whether you're trying to
do something or not, you are right, you know, and
you see it like guys take a little bigger swings,
they kind of you know, maybe gear up a little
bit more on the mound, and it just causes like
you'll see it, like you hit guys on the mound,
you walk a bunch of guys.
Speaker 1: Like a lot of it's just.
Speaker 6: Not a few, a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was.
Speaker 8: It was ugly from the mound. You know, they hit
four and walked like six. Yeah, you know, you can't
do that. And a part of that's just you're doing
trying to do too much, you know, and trying to
be too much when you don't need to be.
Speaker 4: And the words of Kuna do less, Less is more
Sarah Marshall, Yeah, yeah, yes, uh, well somebody assuming much more.
William Schmidt on Sundays And we were talking earlier and
you'd be so much more qualified to talk about this
as a picture than we would.
Speaker 1: But you know, he has all this pressure of he's
going to be a first round pick.
Speaker 4: He decides to stay in school, and you had that
option now with Nio, which is awesome. You get baseball
players like that in college baseball, and you know last
year you see flashes without question, but it wasn't consistent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it had some issues staying in the zone.
Speaker 4: But he really feels like he's starting to come together
and like the best thing about it is no walks, right,
no free passes.
Speaker 1: He's going down there.
Speaker 4: He's got a bulldog mentality now and you can start
to see like with every pitch it's like more and
more confidence, right.
Speaker 8: And that's awesome, Like that's all you can ask for.
We're going from that freshman year to that sophomore year.
And he actually mentioned this in his you know, postgame
press conference yesterday, is like he learned a lot from
guys that were here, like guys like Anderson and i Andsen,
who are you know, first, second, third round picks or whatever,
and other guys on that pitching staff. Last year, he
learned how to be a good picture, right, And he
said he knows how to be a good picture at LSU.
It just took some time for him to get there.
And he's he's a young kid, like you know, he's
he's probably not even twenty years old. Yeah, you know,
and so people put a lot of pressure on him.
But to see him overcome, you know, his struggles from
last year and be the picture that everybody knows that
he can be, especially around Baton Rouge.
Speaker 6: And in the state of Louisiana, is awesome. Like he's
been great.
Speaker 1: It is so wild for me to see and it
happens all the time.
Speaker 4: You see a guy like Kate Harrison is a great example,
like from from like the year where you're just like
a baby deer and trying to figure yourself out and
everybody's like, I don't know, can this guy pitch? And
then like you figure it out because you're a year older,
you know what it looks like, you know the process,
and then you go out there become one of the
best pitchers in the country.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they had a similar story. Like Kate Anderson was
his freshman year was my senior year. We're in the
SEC tournament. He's walking guys and hitting guys and I'm like, man,
who is this dude? Like what is why supposed to
be so good? Blah bla blah blah blah. And then
he comes out the next year and is Kate Anderson
and everybody remembers. Yeah, you know, and it's awesome. Williams
spit's the same kind of thing. It's like he's going
to be that guy. And he's got another year at LSU, right,
so the sky's a limit for him.
Speaker 5: And even more impressive. We talked about how short Dartmouth's
lineup is. Yeah, small players strike, how accurate are we?
Speaker 1: Instead of the.
Speaker 6: Three boxes they got the two track man.
Speaker 5: That's such a turn, seriously, like talk about So of
course this past weekend was fantastic from the pitching standpoint,
but let's like the whole season. Yeah, like into review here,
like how do you feel about the rotation, the weekend
rotation now and as we get into now a little
bit of March play.
Speaker 6: I mean I would love it.
Speaker 8: You know, LSU hasn't had three guys in a while,
you know, since really my freshman year, they haven't had
like three weekend starters. It was you know, Land and Marco,
Jayden Hill and aj Labis my freshman year and after
that we kind of rolled with two the Friday and Saturday,
and so I like how they have three starters and
three guys that can go deep into games. You can
save some arms, and then you can also use a
lot more guys and you can put them in smaller situations.
I think you saw it yesterday, Like you get guys
that are just coming in for one out. If they
don't get him out, he's out, and we're throwing up
the next guy and gonna match guys up lefty, lefty.
You know just how your stuff plays against you know,
different hitters. And as you get into the SEC, which
is you know, obviously what really matters is how you
go in the SEC. You're gonna match guys up from
the mound based on what a hitter is doing on
the other team and the amount of time that they
spend scouting and looking into analytics and blah blah blah,
blah blah blah, a bunch of stuff that nobody wants
to hear.
Speaker 6: Is unbelievable.
Speaker 1: And so.
Speaker 8: If they can continue to, you know, stretch guys out
into games three starters deep into Friday, Saturday, Sunday, and
then just match guys up, they're gonna have a real
great chance to keep guys not scoring runs.
Speaker 4: Uh, you go stick around for like a two minute
segment on the other side. Let's do it all, right,
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Speaker 4: We do have Will Helmer's here with us in studio,
so certainly want to find out what's going on at
Louisiana Loaded this week. I'm sure like a lot of
baseball talk, I would assume, but what ch'all got going on.
Speaker 1: A lot of baseball talk.
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Other than that, working with Gordon to get some baseball
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Speaker 4: You had about thirty seconds left. L Sho's got a
game tonight. You know, another opponent you've already faced Northeastern.
There but another opportunity to go out there and try
to fix some of these offensive things you've gone on
the weekend, had another day to try to get ready
and go.
Speaker 8: I think it's a big day for him. We're going
to see who they start. I'm interested to see who
they throw on them mount first. They may just mix
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chance to get the bats roll and get back in
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