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<v Speaker 1>Topical.

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<v Speaker 2>And the first thing that all of these fascists do

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<v Speaker 2>is burn books. And I read somewhere that it's not

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<v Speaker 2>that they're burning books because they want to destroy art.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not that they're burning books because they want to

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<v Speaker 2>disrupt history. They're burning books because they want to destroy memory.

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<v Speaker 2>They want to destroy the memory of what was there

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<v Speaker 2>before they got there, so that folks will not fight

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<v Speaker 2>to get it back. I start with the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not about being black, it's about being people. And

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<v Speaker 2>you know, Malcolm went all the way Samantha to figure

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<v Speaker 2>that out, and so that was a journey he did,

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<v Speaker 2>so I don't got to go to back up and

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<v Speaker 2>figure that out. Now we have media companies that claim

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<v Speaker 2>to be black media peddling a concept that questioning is problematic.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm cutting out your words. Now, let's still yes the

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<v Speaker 2>thing you're doing to get to the thing you're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I asked myself, but what can we take control of?

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<v Speaker 3>Right?

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<v Speaker 2>So if I feel like I don't have control of that,

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<v Speaker 2>then I start mapping a car. So I'm somebody who

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<v Speaker 2>thinks in a very practical fashion, like I'm very utilitarian,

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<v Speaker 2>and like, okay, how can we see that down the line.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm also an artist, so I'm like imaginative in

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<v Speaker 2>what that can be. And I know that for a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of us we are stuck to a grid of

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<v Speaker 2>only what we have seen is possible versus what we

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<v Speaker 2>can create possibility from which, by the way, as Black people,

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<v Speaker 2>that's actually uncharacteristic of us. We are innovative people. We

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<v Speaker 2>are the descendant of actual Homo sapiens, like the ones

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<v Speaker 2>who made it possible for us to be possible. I

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<v Speaker 2>have a master's degree in African American studies, but I

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<v Speaker 2>don't realize the proximity with which things happened in the sixties.

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<v Speaker 2>In my mind they exist as these separate, siloed events,

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<v Speaker 2>when in actuality they have been in a rapid succession.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a master's degree in African American studies, but

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot tell you the contents of the nineteen sixty

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<v Speaker 2>five Building Rightsack. I can't tell you the contents of

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act, and I can't

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<v Speaker 2>tell you how it was gutted, no matter how tapped

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<v Speaker 2>in I thought I was. I was left out, and

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<v Speaker 2>I had to check myself and get over myself and

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<v Speaker 2>step in Houston New Orleans, Dallas, Atlanta. My what was

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<v Speaker 2>the ancestor say? Mission driven book tours, come in your way,

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<v Speaker 2>come on out, be in community, buy a book and

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<v Speaker 2>get it signed. RSVP at Amanda Seals dot com. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know what's going on, but uh, I don't think

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<v Speaker 2>we've ever at any point only had one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>twenty one people in here. But good morning to you regardless,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to views for amandolin your news and truth by

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<v Speaker 2>any joke necessary. For those of you saying.

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<v Speaker 4>That you.

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<v Speaker 2>Aren't getting notifications, I suggest actually setting an alarm in

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<v Speaker 2>your phone, because depending on these apps to notify you

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<v Speaker 2>when someone they are against is going to be talking

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<v Speaker 2>is counter intuitive. Like it literally doesn't. It doesn't make sense,

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<v Speaker 2>you know. So like I've I've been shadow band I've

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<v Speaker 2>been shadow banded for years now, you know what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So y'all know that I've been shadow banned for years,

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<v Speaker 2>So it doesn't make sense. It really is just about

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<v Speaker 2>us continuously having to work around things like this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>staying at a place where the Internet is sketch. Everything

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<v Speaker 2>about it is sketched, to be quite honest, but nonetheless

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<v Speaker 2>we'll work through it. So Shout out to everybody who

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<v Speaker 2>is here with us. We have a really great show today.

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<v Speaker 2>We have Sabby Sabs joining us, we have miss and

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<v Speaker 2>Harriman joining us, so we're going to be getting into

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of things. I know that people want to

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<v Speaker 2>know my thoughts on Jasmine Crockett. I also want to

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<v Speaker 2>talk about climate change, which I just really want to

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<v Speaker 2>challenge myself to make sure that we talk about every

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<v Speaker 2>single week because I just I really have not been

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<v Speaker 2>putting enough into that. So looking forward, we will be

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<v Speaker 2>doing that on a regular basis. And I also want

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to you guys about Luigi and update you

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<v Speaker 2>on what's going on with him. It's actually, it's actually

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<v Speaker 2>very momentous. It's not just nothing. So I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>giving you all some insight into that. And I am

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<v Speaker 2>so annoyed by the fact that there's only one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and forty nine people. I am genuinely irritated by this.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's fine, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine,

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<v Speaker 2>it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Shout out to Houston. I will be in Houston tonight

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<v Speaker 2>and I will actually be at Las Pegras, which is

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<v Speaker 2>a coffee shop owned by one of our Amanda Landers. Yay,

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<v Speaker 2>let me give an applause for that. So looking forward

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<v Speaker 2>to seeing you guys in the UH in the Age

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<v Speaker 2>town and I will also be in New Orleans tomorrow

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<v Speaker 2>and then in Atlanta on Saturday and in Dallas on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 2>And let me get my water. I'm actually really tired

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<v Speaker 2>and haven't eaten so great and uh, what was I

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<v Speaker 2>gonna say? I forgot what I was going to say. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 2>thank you freedom for Sudan. You know, I I was

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<v Speaker 2>about to be leaning into just being comfy all the time,

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<v Speaker 2>like and I was like, I'm just about to be

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<v Speaker 2>comfy all the time, Like that's what I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>on I'm just gonna be comfy all the time. But

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<v Speaker 2>then I had to like clean out my closet because

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<v Speaker 2>I can't fit a lot of it, and in doing so,

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, you're to fly to let all this go.

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<v Speaker 2>So y'all are going to be getting fashions again. Y'all

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<v Speaker 2>are beginning. Y'all are going to be getting fashions again.

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<v Speaker 2>So just giving you a heads up that I I

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<v Speaker 2>am back with that. Someone said is that a set. No,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not a set. It's just a white gene. I

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<v Speaker 2>just felt like I needed to be pure. So there's that.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's find out where everybody is and uh do

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<v Speaker 2>a little Amanda Land roll call. Shuey doo by doo

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<v Speaker 2>be doop dood Where y'all at? Where are y'all at?

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<v Speaker 2>I'm in X time, I'm in the Landers here learn

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<v Speaker 2>drop in and tell me where you're watching from. We

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<v Speaker 2>got Brooklyn, New York, in the building, Kansas, Cleveland, Ohio,

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<v Speaker 2>Western Massachusetts, University Place, Washington, Spain, Jersey Seven, Arizona, Patterson,

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<v Speaker 2>New Jersey, Slowey, Canada.

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<v Speaker 5>Chicago, Los Angeles, New York and Midtown Cole Minton, Michigan,

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<v Speaker 5>Sunny Belle, California, National City, California, Union City, California, oh

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<v Speaker 5>go on Ya Chelsea and xme DFWJHS mid women call

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<v Speaker 5>Territory in so called Pascosa, Ontario, Canada, Thailand, Virginia and

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<v Speaker 5>yc Barleston, Merlin, Chicago, Nasaw, Bahamas.

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<v Speaker 2>Give me some Cockport does caked out? I see you,

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<v Speaker 2>Saudi Arabia. We in a National House Pittsburgh, Port Lauderdale, Florida, Germany.

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<v Speaker 2>But black American Amanda Landers here to learn John Bennett

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<v Speaker 2>and then where you're watching from Miami, Pittsburgh, Massachusetts, Sweden

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<v Speaker 2>for one more week. I just sent you your package. Cleveland, Ohio, Everett, Massachusetts.

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<v Speaker 2>The chat is moving slow because of the Internet, and

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<v Speaker 2>thus we are out of here. I also still am

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<v Speaker 2>pissed at why there's only one hundred and eighty eighty

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<v Speaker 2>eight people here. I just be feeling like like there's

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<v Speaker 2>a there's a greater suppression happening, and I don't like it, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it. I don't like it at all.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's get into our word.

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<v Speaker 6>Of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I'm not home, so like I don't

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<v Speaker 2>have like my whole shit together, So just paw in me, Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>paw in me. I'm also in a different time zone, like

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<v Speaker 2>I just have a lot of excuses, to be quite honest.

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<v Speaker 2>I had dinner last night. I went out last night,

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<v Speaker 2>and the dinner wasn't y'all. I mean it was good,

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<v Speaker 2>like in terms of like I was with my homegirl,

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<v Speaker 2>but like the actual food itself, it wasn't. It wasn't hidden,

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<v Speaker 2>and so I had to really force myself to try

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<v Speaker 2>to eat it. But it wasn't hidden, and so I

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<v Speaker 2>woke up hungry. At this point, I feel like I

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<v Speaker 2>have a tapeworm because I'm just always hungry and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't understand what that's really about. I also blame everything

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<v Speaker 2>on perimenopause at this point, so I'm just gonna blame

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<v Speaker 2>it on that. So our word of the day is mycology.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the branch of biology dedicated to studying fungi, including yeasts, molds,

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<v Speaker 2>and mushrooms. Now, I know that this seems like a

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<v Speaker 2>very specific word, but I want you to use your

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<v Speaker 2>what is this? Okay? So Streamyard be ad and shit

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't even understand. Why is it only letting

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<v Speaker 2>it stay up for ten seconds? Say? Have you used

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<v Speaker 2>this before? Show for ten oh time? Or off time?

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<v Speaker 2>Are off? I will determine when I want to take

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<v Speaker 2>my banner down. Thank you very much, Streamyard. Now, remember

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<v Speaker 2>we love a metaphor. We love we love placing the

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<v Speaker 2>words in other ways. So you know, you guys can

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<v Speaker 2>use mycology in another form other than just as the

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<v Speaker 2>relationship to science. Okay, so let's see who's gotta work.

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<v Speaker 2>So people, Okay, people are like, yeah, the food is

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<v Speaker 2>not good in Houston, thank you. You know where else

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<v Speaker 2>the food is not good London unless you go to

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<v Speaker 2>the Indian neighborhoods and the Black neighborhoods where you get

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<v Speaker 2>Caribbean food. Everywhere else is like what is this? Bangers

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<v Speaker 2>and mash see. I love y'all because you'd be thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Alison Waite says, yay, the mycology of human connection is

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<v Speaker 2>the cornerstorm is the cornerstone of life. Ding. Rachel Porter said,

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<v Speaker 2>we need to be constantly studying mycology to understand the

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<v Speaker 2>world more and more. Ding. Farm guy Leevy said, mycelium,

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<v Speaker 2>my sleium networks. We can learn so much and how

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<v Speaker 2>we can build resilient community. Fun guy, but you got

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<v Speaker 2>to use the word farm guy, You got to use

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<v Speaker 2>the word Rolando. I wonder if my colleges can find

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<v Speaker 2>a way to get a pizza to make me extremely happy,

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<v Speaker 2>if you know what I mean. Ding, the mycology of

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<v Speaker 2>Zionism has proven its adult death cult. I mean, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even know if that works, but I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say it works because the conclusion is correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Ding.

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<v Speaker 2>Mycology is based on the mysoleum that makes up the world.

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<v Speaker 3>Ding.

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<v Speaker 2>Meg Collier says, I've been consumed with studying the mycology

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<v Speaker 2>of the Democratic Party. Ding ding ding ding ding ding

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<v Speaker 2>ding ding ding. Well, we have somebody who knows about

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<v Speaker 2>them things with us today. The brilliant Sabrina Tellate is

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<v Speaker 2>joining us and we will also be talking about her documentary. Okay, now,

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<v Speaker 2>actually I'll say that for one what I'm talking to

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<v Speaker 2>her in the meantime in between time, let me really

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<v Speaker 2>quickly give you all our word I mean, our question

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<v Speaker 2>of the week before we bring cubs up on the squeeze.

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<v Speaker 2>The question question, my question that is very loud. Oh

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<v Speaker 2>my god. I maybe it's these bones head phones, but

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<v Speaker 2>that wow, that took me to a place. Today's bonus question.

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<v Speaker 2>This week's bonus question is what do you consider leadership?

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<v Speaker 4>Now?

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<v Speaker 2>This question comes out of the fact that whenever I

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<v Speaker 2>share information online, the question that comes back to me

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<v Speaker 2>is so what are we supposed to do?

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<v Speaker 4>So?

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<v Speaker 2>What do we do now? And when I talked about

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<v Speaker 2>Jasmine Sullivan, not Jasmine Sullivan, I'm not scared, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>but I'm scared. Love it you. No, not Jasmine, but

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<v Speaker 2>shout out to Jazz, She's great. When I talked about

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<v Speaker 2>Jasmine Crockett I said a very specific statement, which is,

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<v Speaker 2>And the reality is that, well, my my understanding is

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<v Speaker 2>to the resistance. You're telling me, and Or isn't a leader.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course, he is a leader, you're like, and that's

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<v Speaker 2>Followers are not what cause the resistance, because followers follow

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<v Speaker 7>I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me on, Amanda. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I wanted more, so give me more. How are

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<v Speaker 2>you doing? Beyond great? The bank is banging per usual.

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<v Speaker 8>I've just been really busy, really busy this year.

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<v Speaker 7>So I'm looking to cranking out the rest of December

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<v Speaker 2>I want to do the exact opposite. But I hear you, Gruel,

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<v Speaker 2>I hear you. I want to go into twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 8>That's different.

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<v Speaker 2>Just I'm trying to ease, and I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>immediately with talking about your documentary. And I understand the

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<v Speaker 2>documentary struggle. So let's first let people know about the

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<v Speaker 2>documentary before we get into the jasmine conversation. And this

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<v Speaker 2>documentary is called erasure. I mean sorry, a removed black

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<v Speaker 2>clip or the trailer. I should say, yeah, Boston is

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<v Speaker 7>Universities, but some might say that there are two Boston's.

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<v Speaker 9>If you look at city Hall, no one's talking about

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<v Speaker 9>that specific racial and historical component that black people are

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<v Speaker 9>the ones that are being removed.

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<v Speaker 2>There's a huge, significant different and lived experiences. And we

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<v Speaker 4>The wealthy board.

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<v Speaker 8>We're at eight dollars.

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<v Speaker 1>This whole plan and gentrification is in the new concept

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<v Speaker 1>and every city you go into in the Northeast, they

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<v Speaker 1>it's a plan. It's been in place for a long time.

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<v Speaker 10>While the displacement isn't as bad as nineteen sixty three.

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<v Speaker 4>It hasn't gotten much better now.

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<v Speaker 10>It's by design that they've created spaces where we are

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<v Speaker 10>no longer seen anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>They're wiping us.

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<v Speaker 10>Out, one community at a time, and they're getting away

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<v Speaker 10>with it. This is gentrification. Franklin Park has been a

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<v Speaker 11>Why is the mayor willing to flow herself on the

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<v Speaker 4>It's not about soccer.

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<v Speaker 11>It's about the additional profits that can be made in

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<v Speaker 1>It's a disrespect that you would take public parkland and

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<v Speaker 4>And this project is him.

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<v Speaker 11>It tills Mama pulling back a curtain and if people

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<v Speaker 11>don't look at what's behind that curtain, it's coming to them.

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<v Speaker 12>Yes, yes, people are doing documentaries.

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<v Speaker 2>So Sabena, I don't know if you know this. My

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<v Speaker 2>father ain't shit, but he is from Boston, so I

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<v Speaker 2>do have a connection to Boston. He is from Roxbury. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>so you know when I was like, I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>Boston and this is a great place to start So

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<v Speaker 2>tell us what made you decide to make because honestly,

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<v Speaker 2>you have so much information and knowledge that you could

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<v Speaker 2>have made fifty eleven different documentaries. What made you decide

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, So I moved to Boston in twenty eleven, so

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<v Speaker 7>I've been here for a long time actually, and one

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<v Speaker 7>the rate of gentrification and the way that it has

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<v Speaker 7>continued to increase. And there was a group of activists

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<v Speaker 7>that reached out to me and they said they wanted

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<v Speaker 7>to have a meeting with me to tell me about

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<v Speaker 7>a new project, which is White Stadium, which is located

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<v Speaker 7>inside of Franklin Park that is also leading to more gentrification.

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<v Speaker 7>So during that meeting with them, that's when I started

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<v Speaker 7>to realize, you know, this may need to be a

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<v Speaker 7>bigger project. I can bring you on the podcast and

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<v Speaker 7>you can talk about it, but I think we really

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<v Speaker 7>need to go through the history so that people understand

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<v Speaker 7>how we got here. And so they were all for

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<v Speaker 7>doing a documentary. So upon talking to them, I reached

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<v Speaker 7>out to other residents, other people that grew up in Roxbury,

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<v Speaker 7>grew up in Dorchester, and they told their stories as well.

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<v Speaker 7>And ultimately, what we ended up doing is that we

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<v Speaker 7>identified for harms that is leading to the erasure of

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<v Speaker 7>black Boston, and those four arms are gentrification, redlining, urban renewal,

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<v Speaker 7>and mass incarceration. Because it's different components that led to this,

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<v Speaker 7>It's not just about White Stadium. The uniqueness of White

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<v Speaker 7>Stadium is that we've seen this happen before in cities

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<v Speaker 7>across the country where the city decides that they want

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<v Speaker 7>to build a new entertainment complex. Rather it's a new ballpark,

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<v Speaker 7>a new football stadium for professional teams or a team

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<v Speaker 7>that may be already there, but they want a new stadium.

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<v Speaker 7>And I think sometimes what people don't realize is oftentimes

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<v Speaker 7>those new projects end up replacing black neighborhoods. Ultimately, they

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<v Speaker 7>go to places where the land is relatively cheap, more affordable,

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<v Speaker 7>so that they can build there, and that's where a

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<v Speaker 7>lot of the gentrification comes in. So with that particular

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<v Speaker 7>project that's happening right now in Boston, those investors that

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<v Speaker 7>said we're going to bring this women's soccer team to Boston,

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<v Speaker 7>they have already started buying property around that area. So ultimately,

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<v Speaker 7>this is what leads to part of that erasure. But

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<v Speaker 7>I think what a lot of people don't understand about Boston,

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<v Speaker 7>in particular if you've never been here, the black culture

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<v Speaker 7>people in Boston, but they're just not you know, it's

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<v Speaker 7>not put out there that way. And what I have

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<v Speaker 7>seen over the years, if you look at the data,

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<v Speaker 7>is that black people are leaving Boston. They're leaving because

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<v Speaker 7>of forced displacement, because their apartment buildings are being bought

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<v Speaker 7>by investors, so they have to leave. They're leaving because

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<v Speaker 7>the cost of living continues to increase. And so if

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<v Speaker 7>first time in history, black people are more concentrated outside

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<v Speaker 7>of Boston instead of in Boston. So we're in places

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<v Speaker 7>like Brockton, Avon, Randolph, Taunton, further and further south of

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<v Speaker 7>the city, which also means that we have a longer commute.

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<v Speaker 7>And it's not unique to Boston, right, So this happened

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<v Speaker 8>When we get into the urban renewal.

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<v Speaker 7>Part of the film, we do dive into these plans

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<v Speaker 7>to build high ways in black communities that were never built,

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<v Speaker 7>but housing was torn down because those highways were going

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<v Speaker 7>to be created. So Milwaukee's a good example of this,

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<v Speaker 7>how they displaced an entire black community because they were

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<v Speaker 7>never put So of course they find ways to get

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<v Speaker 7>you further and further away from the places that are productive.

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<v Speaker 7>We had a screening at Roxbury Community College. We're going

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<v Speaker 7>to do a couple more screenings and then right now

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<v Speaker 7>we're getting prepared for film festivals. So so far we've

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<v Speaker 7>received a lot of praise. I'm actually really surprised, but

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of people have paged out.

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<v Speaker 8>I think just because of the topic. It can be

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, like it can be exactly.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, and you know, and and and some people were like,

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<v Speaker 7>well what about us, what about this? And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 7>you don't have a net worth of eight dollars. Black

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<v Speaker 7>people do. And so I think it's important that people

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<v Speaker 7>understand how that came to be in Boston, how it

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<v Speaker 7>came to be that the average black family has a

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<v Speaker 7>That is a big disparity. What I found film in

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<v Speaker 7>this documentary is that black communities in particular constantly deal

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<v Speaker 2>You should check out an interview I did with an architect,

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<v Speaker 2>Do you know who I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 8>I read an article about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he came on the show and it was like

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<v Speaker 2>so super informative but also just really clear as day

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<v Speaker 2>the ways in which highways are used to create segregation.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's not done in community conversation. It's done, as

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<v Speaker 2>you said, over the people, over the heads of people.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, It's done behind closed doors, which is why

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<v Speaker 2>it ends up being so imperative that people are involved

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<v Speaker 2>locally in the way that in the way things are happening, right.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we just simply don't as a nation have

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<v Speaker 2>that practice. We kind of vote for people even if

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<v Speaker 2>we do it all and then we just go on

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<v Speaker 2>our merry way. But I mean, to be fair, it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a merry way, Like, like you said, when you

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<v Speaker 2>time to really fight, you know, because you're really trying

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<v Speaker 2>to just pay for the basics of existence. So where

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<v Speaker 2>does How was your process of making the documentary, because

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<v Speaker 2>that is its own journey.

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<v Speaker 8>I thought it was a great experience. I'll tell you.

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<v Speaker 7>The easiest part about this were the interviews, Like a

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<v Speaker 7>number of people like were happy to participate to be

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<v Speaker 7>actually want to be in the documentary. But that was

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<v Speaker 7>the easiest part because they said, we need to tell

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<v Speaker 7>what's happening here in Roxbury. There's gentrification happening in Roxbury

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<v Speaker 7>very happy to come forward and tell what happened and

418
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:31.519
<v Speaker 7>how Roxbury was once a thriving black community and these

419
00:29:31.599 --> 00:29:36.640
<v Speaker 7>policies like redlining and urban renewal ultimately changed that right,

420
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:39.839
<v Speaker 7>So that was the easiest part. The most difficult part

421
00:29:40.279 --> 00:29:45.119
<v Speaker 7>was finding the success, the historical success of Black Boston.

422
00:29:45.559 --> 00:29:47.839
<v Speaker 7>It was just nowhere to be found. I had never

423
00:29:47.880 --> 00:29:49.559
<v Speaker 7>experienced like this.

424
00:29:49.440 --> 00:29:53.400
<v Speaker 2>Before, which literally proves your point right.

425
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:58.279
<v Speaker 7>It's when I say erasure, it's not even just physical erasure.

426
00:29:58.880 --> 00:30:02.920
<v Speaker 7>It's not including this information in the libraries. I went

427
00:30:02.960 --> 00:30:07.319
<v Speaker 7>to libraries. I looked online looking for old Roxbury when

428
00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:12.720
<v Speaker 7>people migrated from the South to Boston, very difficult to find.

429
00:30:13.480 --> 00:30:16.880
<v Speaker 7>I ended up learning that Northeastern University, which is a

430
00:30:16.920 --> 00:30:19.519
<v Speaker 7>part of the gentrification in Roxbury by the way, I

431
00:30:19.599 --> 00:30:21.359
<v Speaker 7>hate to say it, because I went to school at

432
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:27.000
<v Speaker 7>Northeastern University, but they somehow were able to own a

433
00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:30.960
<v Speaker 7>lot of the old black and white archive photos. So

434
00:30:31.160 --> 00:30:34.559
<v Speaker 7>Northeastern University, their archive office, they own a lot of

435
00:30:34.599 --> 00:30:37.359
<v Speaker 7>those pictures. So when I found that out, I went

436
00:30:37.359 --> 00:30:39.440
<v Speaker 7>to their archive and I went through a number of

437
00:30:39.519 --> 00:30:45.079
<v Speaker 7>boxes of pictures just looking for the success of black

438
00:30:45.160 --> 00:30:46.279
<v Speaker 7>Boston back.

439
00:30:46.079 --> 00:30:46.599
<v Speaker 8>In the day.

440
00:30:47.079 --> 00:30:50.880
<v Speaker 7>And even then it was very hard to find those pictures.

441
00:30:50.920 --> 00:30:52.920
<v Speaker 7>So I had to reach out again to other people

442
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:55.319
<v Speaker 7>who grew up here and said, do you have any

443
00:30:55.480 --> 00:30:58.640
<v Speaker 7>photos of what Roxbury used to be like? Like all

444
00:30:58.680 --> 00:31:01.599
<v Speaker 7>the black businesses that were there before a lot of

445
00:31:01.599 --> 00:31:09.359
<v Speaker 7>them were burned down, and whoa burned down? Yes, Well,

446
00:31:09.359 --> 00:31:12.799
<v Speaker 7>there's a story about the night that James Brown saved Boston.

447
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:14.880
<v Speaker 7>I'm not sure if you ever heard about that, Amanda.

448
00:31:16.079 --> 00:31:19.039
<v Speaker 7>They there were, Yeah, there were a lot of race

449
00:31:19.160 --> 00:31:23.480
<v Speaker 7>riots during that time, and James Brown had a concert

450
00:31:23.599 --> 00:31:29.359
<v Speaker 7>in Boston, and so when MLK was assassinated, yes, that

451
00:31:29.519 --> 00:31:33.480
<v Speaker 7>was part of the Yeah. So those businesses, like the

452
00:31:33.519 --> 00:31:37.319
<v Speaker 7>community was not rebuilt after that either. So there was

453
00:31:37.359 --> 00:31:39.640
<v Speaker 7>a number of things that were difficult with this. And

454
00:31:40.119 --> 00:31:43.799
<v Speaker 7>the comparison that I made is that Chicago, like Boston,

455
00:31:43.880 --> 00:31:48.720
<v Speaker 7>has hyper segregation. But when I went to Chicago, I

456
00:31:48.759 --> 00:31:55.039
<v Speaker 7>have no difficulty finding old black Chicago photos, videos within

457
00:31:55.079 --> 00:31:59.319
<v Speaker 7>the libraries. Very difficult here in Boston. It's almost as if,

458
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:01.759
<v Speaker 7>as Anti he says in the documentary, it's almost as

459
00:32:01.799 --> 00:32:02.759
<v Speaker 7>if we were never here.

460
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:05.599
<v Speaker 8>That that was the most difficult part.

461
00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:11.519
<v Speaker 2>So where do you feel, Well, how did the people

462
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:14.279
<v Speaker 2>who are in the documentary, who are like directly affected

463
00:32:14.319 --> 00:32:16.279
<v Speaker 2>by this, how do you feel their response to the

464
00:32:16.279 --> 00:32:16.799
<v Speaker 2>doc has been.

465
00:32:18.480 --> 00:32:19.799
<v Speaker 8>They're very proud of it.

466
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.279
<v Speaker 7>I again, like I said, I was very surprised, Like

467
00:32:24.319 --> 00:32:26.640
<v Speaker 7>when we did the screening, I got a standing ovation.

468
00:32:27.240 --> 00:32:29.559
<v Speaker 7>This is my first documentary, so I didn't really know

469
00:32:29.599 --> 00:32:32.240
<v Speaker 7>what to I didn't know what the response was going

470
00:32:32.319 --> 00:32:35.000
<v Speaker 7>to be or if people were going to be receptive

471
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:38.079
<v Speaker 7>to it. One of the journalists that was in the documentary,

472
00:32:38.160 --> 00:32:40.519
<v Speaker 7>Yabu Miller, you know, he kind of I met with

473
00:32:40.599 --> 00:32:42.960
<v Speaker 7>him yesterday. He kind of felt some kind of way

474
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 7>as like, well, you know what about you know, the

475
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:50.319
<v Speaker 7>white community in South Boston that was this place and

476
00:32:50.680 --> 00:32:52.559
<v Speaker 7>it's them.

477
00:32:53.519 --> 00:32:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I agree about them, I had.

478
00:32:58.240 --> 00:33:03.160
<v Speaker 7>I had to tell him my job is to elevate

479
00:33:03.200 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 7>the voices of those that are not heard. There are plenty,

480
00:33:06.319 --> 00:33:09.119
<v Speaker 7>there's a lot of history about South Boston. There's a

481
00:33:09.119 --> 00:33:12.440
<v Speaker 7>lot of movies about South Boston. Their story is told.

482
00:33:12.920 --> 00:33:15.519
<v Speaker 7>My job is to tell the stories of those who

483
00:33:15.519 --> 00:33:18.599
<v Speaker 7>are not heard. And I also had to remind him

484
00:33:18.799 --> 00:33:21.680
<v Speaker 7>they don't have a net worth of eight dollars, right,

485
00:33:22.039 --> 00:33:25.839
<v Speaker 7>So it's wild to me when people come in and

486
00:33:25.880 --> 00:33:28.240
<v Speaker 7>they say, well, what about the white people? The white

487
00:33:28.279 --> 00:33:31.359
<v Speaker 7>people don't have a net worth of eight dollars. It

488
00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:35.079
<v Speaker 7>is absolutely disturbing and disgusting. And I had to explain

489
00:33:35.200 --> 00:33:38.839
<v Speaker 7>that me having lived in other places. My family is

490
00:33:38.839 --> 00:33:42.599
<v Speaker 7>from Baltimore, having been in Baltimore, DC, Philly, New York,

491
00:33:42.640 --> 00:33:46.039
<v Speaker 7>et cetera. When I walk through Roxbury, and I see

492
00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:52.480
<v Speaker 7>just the vacantness, like the lack of black businesses. It's sad.

493
00:33:53.400 --> 00:33:55.880
<v Speaker 7>I've never seen nothing like this before. You don't see

494
00:33:55.880 --> 00:33:58.599
<v Speaker 7>that in Chicago, you don't see it. So people have

495
00:33:58.720 --> 00:34:02.359
<v Speaker 7>been displaced, people have been erased, and the fact that

496
00:34:02.680 --> 00:34:06.359
<v Speaker 7>it's hard to even find those photos and videos of

497
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:10.519
<v Speaker 7>that thriving Roxbury community that tells you everything you need

498
00:34:10.559 --> 00:34:14.119
<v Speaker 7>to know, even when it comes to arts and culture.

499
00:34:15.960 --> 00:34:18.719
<v Speaker 7>One of the most troubling things that I found is

500
00:34:18.760 --> 00:34:22.360
<v Speaker 7>that a lot of people here, they all know who

501
00:34:22.480 --> 00:34:25.119
<v Speaker 7>Mark Wahlberg is, they all know about New Kids on

502
00:34:25.159 --> 00:34:27.239
<v Speaker 7>the Block. But a lot of these people don't even

503
00:34:27.320 --> 00:34:30.440
<v Speaker 7>know who New Addition is. How is that possible?

504
00:34:31.199 --> 00:34:34.679
<v Speaker 2>What they don't know? Bobby, Ricky and MiG are.

505
00:34:35.599 --> 00:34:39.800
<v Speaker 7>Yes, yes, and they were more successful than New Kids

506
00:34:39.840 --> 00:34:43.119
<v Speaker 7>on the Block. But again that says something. It says

507
00:34:43.159 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 7>something about the culture we just had. And this is

508
00:34:45.280 --> 00:34:48.000
<v Speaker 7>in the documentary as well. There was a New Addition Day.

509
00:34:48.079 --> 00:34:54.480
<v Speaker 7>I know, I know, I know, there was a New

510
00:34:54.639 --> 00:34:57.760
<v Speaker 7>Edition celebration day where they came here just recently over

511
00:34:57.800 --> 00:35:01.119
<v Speaker 7>the summer, and the mayor she dead came a street

512
00:35:01.199 --> 00:35:03.440
<v Speaker 7>to a new Edition finally, right after all these years,

513
00:35:03.519 --> 00:35:06.039
<v Speaker 7>they finally get like their own street. And I went

514
00:35:06.079 --> 00:35:08.960
<v Speaker 7>to that event and even I was like, this is

515
00:35:08.960 --> 00:35:11.559
<v Speaker 7>all the people who showed up for this, and it

516
00:35:11.599 --> 00:35:14.559
<v Speaker 7>was disturbing because to me, I said, if this was

517
00:35:14.599 --> 00:35:17.000
<v Speaker 7>New Kids on the Block, all of Boston would be

518
00:35:17.039 --> 00:35:20.199
<v Speaker 7>out here. So what is the problem, Like, why is

519
00:35:20.280 --> 00:35:25.000
<v Speaker 7>it that that's not even promoted? So these things, he said.

520
00:35:25.480 --> 00:35:29.079
<v Speaker 2>They're also lovely, like if y'all have ever met New Edition,

521
00:35:29.159 --> 00:35:32.480
<v Speaker 2>they're also like really nice. And the last time I

522
00:35:32.599 --> 00:35:36.599
<v Speaker 2>was around them, Ronnie Devout, who was my heart and

523
00:35:36.639 --> 00:35:40.000
<v Speaker 2>soul Sabrina Salvadi was like, you know, I just want

524
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:42.159
<v Speaker 2>you to keep going, sister. I see what you're doing

525
00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:46.239
<v Speaker 2>and we appreciate you. And eight year old, ten year

526
00:35:46.280 --> 00:35:49.559
<v Speaker 2>old and twelve year old Amanda has never recovered that

527
00:35:49.719 --> 00:35:57.280
<v Speaker 2>Ronnie Devot sees her as an adult literally, like I

528
00:35:57.360 --> 00:36:00.280
<v Speaker 2>have videos where I'm referring to myself as my fake name,

529
00:36:00.639 --> 00:36:04.239
<v Speaker 2>Robin Devo. I was married to Ronnie Deaveau for several years.

530
00:36:04.599 --> 00:36:07.480
<v Speaker 7>I can see that, Amanda. I can see you having

531
00:36:07.559 --> 00:36:08.599
<v Speaker 7>the thing for Ronnie.

532
00:36:08.800 --> 00:36:13.199
<v Speaker 2>I can see yeah.

533
00:36:13.239 --> 00:36:15.920
<v Speaker 8>But yeah, I think a big part of it is that.

534
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:20.280
<v Speaker 7>These things need to be promoted and there's a lot

535
00:36:20.280 --> 00:36:25.119
<v Speaker 7>of talent that came from Roxbury and Dorchester, but people

536
00:36:25.159 --> 00:36:27.119
<v Speaker 7>don't even know about it. People don't even know Lewis

537
00:36:27.119 --> 00:36:30.760
<v Speaker 7>Ferricon is from Boston. People don't know about Malcolm X.

538
00:36:30.800 --> 00:36:31.519
<v Speaker 8>That's another thing.

539
00:36:31.719 --> 00:36:33.760
<v Speaker 2>You know that Malcolm Max is from Boston.

540
00:36:34.559 --> 00:36:36.960
<v Speaker 7>That's another thing we talk about in the documentary, how

541
00:36:37.079 --> 00:36:40.039
<v Speaker 7>Malcolm X's house has now declared a historical site. But

542
00:36:40.079 --> 00:36:42.880
<v Speaker 7>if you see what it looks like, Paul Revere's house

543
00:36:42.920 --> 00:36:45.760
<v Speaker 7>don't look like that. You know, it's just it's it's

544
00:36:45.840 --> 00:36:48.960
<v Speaker 7>it's wild, like that should be everywhere. And I said,

545
00:36:49.239 --> 00:36:51.360
<v Speaker 7>there is something to be said about this that you

546
00:36:51.400 --> 00:36:54.159
<v Speaker 7>don't see this in the other cities on the East

547
00:36:54.159 --> 00:36:57.760
<v Speaker 7>Coast where the black culture is hidden in such a

548
00:36:57.760 --> 00:37:00.639
<v Speaker 7>way where people are like are black people even here?

549
00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Boston is so racist, Like every time I

550
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:08.760
<v Speaker 2>go to Boston, the only time I see black people

551
00:37:08.840 --> 00:37:12.079
<v Speaker 2>is when I do my shows, like when I'm in

552
00:37:12.559 --> 00:37:16.079
<v Speaker 2>like where, Like typically if I go to a restaurant

553
00:37:16.400 --> 00:37:18.599
<v Speaker 2>or if I'm just in the Boston proper and I

554
00:37:18.639 --> 00:37:20.320
<v Speaker 2>go to a restaurant or I'm at my hotel, I

555
00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.039
<v Speaker 2>don't see black people. And I don't even see black

556
00:37:22.079 --> 00:37:25.840
<v Speaker 2>people working. Right, It's not like, Okay, we are in

557
00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:28.760
<v Speaker 2>the private sector. No, we're literally nowhere to be found.

558
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:31.719
<v Speaker 2>I've more than once looked around at a restaurant in

559
00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:35.639
<v Speaker 2>Boston and been like, ohla, are we in here at No,

560
00:37:35.840 --> 00:37:38.639
<v Speaker 2>I'm the only black person in here, And if you

561
00:37:38.679 --> 00:37:40.519
<v Speaker 2>look at me fast and keep it moving, you might

562
00:37:40.559 --> 00:37:46.159
<v Speaker 2>say I'm Latina. So I understand, and I don't think

563
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:48.679
<v Speaker 2>people also, And that's what I love that you're doing

564
00:37:48.679 --> 00:37:52.280
<v Speaker 2>this documentary or that you did this documentary. Folks still

565
00:37:52.360 --> 00:37:55.840
<v Speaker 2>are adherent to this idea that racism only existed in

566
00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:01.440
<v Speaker 2>the South and not as a national ethos that has

567
00:38:01.519 --> 00:38:05.360
<v Speaker 2>been you know, permeated and perpetuated all throughout this country.

568
00:38:06.039 --> 00:38:06.239
<v Speaker 4>Right.

569
00:38:07.239 --> 00:38:09.559
<v Speaker 8>I think a lot of people, Yeah, people still make

570
00:38:09.599 --> 00:38:10.119
<v Speaker 8>that mistake.

571
00:38:11.639 --> 00:38:16.320
<v Speaker 2>I mean Boston was the last Boston's desegregate their schools

572
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:19.719
<v Speaker 2>until the seventies, like the mid seventies, like not even

573
00:38:19.800 --> 00:38:22.840
<v Speaker 2>like seventy one, right, Like they was old and on

574
00:38:23.400 --> 00:38:27.519
<v Speaker 2>and they were just as mad as these other videos

575
00:38:27.519 --> 00:38:30.679
<v Speaker 2>that you see of Ruby Bridges and these white people,

576
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:33.920
<v Speaker 2>you know, scowling, and all of that was happening in

577
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:34.760
<v Speaker 2>Boston as well.

578
00:38:35.840 --> 00:38:39.039
<v Speaker 7>There's also a famous picture of Ted Landmark being hit

579
00:38:39.119 --> 00:38:42.679
<v Speaker 7>by the American flag by a white guy that said,

580
00:38:42.719 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 7>you're taking our jobs. I believe that picture was on

581
00:38:45.519 --> 00:38:47.960
<v Speaker 7>Time magazine at some point, but that is a very

582
00:38:48.320 --> 00:38:51.320
<v Speaker 7>infamous picture that a lot of people are familiar with.

583
00:38:52.039 --> 00:38:56.039
<v Speaker 7>Interestingly enough, though Ted Landmark still lives here, he teaches

584
00:38:56.039 --> 00:38:59.360
<v Speaker 7>at Northeastern University. It's there's a lot of things that

585
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:02.280
<v Speaker 7>have happened. We do talk about the bussing. We go

586
00:39:02.360 --> 00:39:05.519
<v Speaker 7>through some of the bussing photos which are horrendous, and

587
00:39:05.679 --> 00:39:09.159
<v Speaker 7>I think that sometimes people think that because it's the Northeast,

588
00:39:09.199 --> 00:39:11.320
<v Speaker 7>that we didn't have those issues here, or we don't

589
00:39:11.320 --> 00:39:13.599
<v Speaker 7>have those issues here. And what I talk about in

590
00:39:13.639 --> 00:39:15.840
<v Speaker 7>the documentary is that the type of racism, a lot

591
00:39:15.840 --> 00:39:18.400
<v Speaker 7>of it that you experience here, tends to be structural

592
00:39:18.480 --> 00:39:20.280
<v Speaker 7>racism and covert racism.

593
00:39:20.480 --> 00:39:25.599
<v Speaker 2>But it's still there, loud and clear, loud and clear.

594
00:39:26.760 --> 00:39:32.639
<v Speaker 2>So you are now on the trajectory with festivals, et cetera, etc.

595
00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:34.679
<v Speaker 2>Where can people watch.

596
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.039
<v Speaker 7>The doc You can watch it right now on my

597
00:39:39.119 --> 00:39:42.719
<v Speaker 7>YouTube channel. It's called Remove Black Erasure in Boston. My

598
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.199
<v Speaker 7>channel is Savvy Sab, so you can watch it there.

599
00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:48.360
<v Speaker 7>It may be there only for a limited amount of time.

600
00:39:48.400 --> 00:39:50.760
<v Speaker 7>It depends on some of these festivals that we apply to.

601
00:39:51.119 --> 00:39:52.960
<v Speaker 7>We are reaching out to see if it can still

602
00:39:52.960 --> 00:39:56.639
<v Speaker 7>be on YouTube. For some it's fine. For others, we're

603
00:39:56.679 --> 00:39:59.440
<v Speaker 7>not really sure because they don't really say so. It

604
00:39:59.480 --> 00:40:01.599
<v Speaker 7>may only be there for a limited time and then

605
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:04.599
<v Speaker 7>I'll have to market private and then make it public

606
00:40:04.639 --> 00:40:07.159
<v Speaker 7>again after the festival circuit.

607
00:40:07.639 --> 00:40:08.880
<v Speaker 8>But that's where you can find it now.

608
00:40:10.119 --> 00:40:15.039
<v Speaker 2>All right, removed a rature of black Boston? And how

609
00:40:15.079 --> 00:40:16.519
<v Speaker 2>long did it take for you to put this together?

610
00:40:17.719 --> 00:40:21.159
<v Speaker 7>We started filming at the end of April, so we

611
00:40:21.559 --> 00:40:25.840
<v Speaker 7>moved pretty quickly. For documentary standards, documentaries can take years

612
00:40:25.880 --> 00:40:27.199
<v Speaker 7>from what I understand to film.

613
00:40:27.280 --> 00:40:30.400
<v Speaker 2>Yes. Yes, And how do you feel like you were

614
00:40:30.440 --> 00:40:33.840
<v Speaker 2>able to get it pushed along so fast?

615
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:36.880
<v Speaker 7>I got to give kudos to my editor, Scott Hanshew.

616
00:40:37.760 --> 00:40:41.400
<v Speaker 7>Scott was phenomenal. He has a lot of experience working

617
00:40:41.440 --> 00:40:45.079
<v Speaker 7>in film and he was able to move things along

618
00:40:45.519 --> 00:40:47.239
<v Speaker 7>in a way that I wouldn't have been able to

619
00:40:47.280 --> 00:40:49.719
<v Speaker 7>do on my own. He's the one that created a

620
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.280
<v Speaker 7>lot of the graphics, the transitions, like, all of that

621
00:40:53.599 --> 00:40:54.199
<v Speaker 7>is Scott.

622
00:40:54.239 --> 00:40:55.199
<v Speaker 8>That's not me.

623
00:40:55.280 --> 00:40:58.559
<v Speaker 7>I don't have those skills, So definitely shout outs to him,

624
00:40:58.880 --> 00:40:59.320
<v Speaker 7>all right.

625
00:40:59.239 --> 00:41:01.039
<v Speaker 2>Scott shot got USh out the crew. You know what

626
00:41:01.039 --> 00:41:03.679
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying, We got to shout the below the line.

627
00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:06.679
<v Speaker 2>All right, well, Savvey, thank you so much. I mean,

628
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<v Speaker 2>it's so necessary that we continue to make this type

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<v Speaker 2>of work right in the face of the constant erasure

630
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<v Speaker 2>of basically everything that is about knowledge and truth, right, Like,

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00:41:21.119 --> 00:41:25.920
<v Speaker 2>that's what we're constantly witnessing and watching. I want to

632
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<v Speaker 2>pivot because I texted Sabby this morning and I was like, now, Savby,

633
00:41:31.440 --> 00:41:34.119
<v Speaker 2>I was gonna save you headlines. But you know, folks

634
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<v Speaker 2>just want us to talk about Jasmine. So let's get

635
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<v Speaker 2>the people when they won't. So first, let's watch the

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<v Speaker 2>announcement video that Jasmine made Jasmine Crockett Representative Jasmine Crockett

637
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<v Speaker 2>about her run for Senate.

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<v Speaker 4>How about this new one?

639
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.880
<v Speaker 2>They have their new star, Crocket, How about her? She's

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<v Speaker 2>a new star of the Democrat Barty, Jasmine Crockett. They're

641
00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:02.000
<v Speaker 2>in big trouble, but you.

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00:42:01.880 --> 00:42:03.079
<v Speaker 8>Have this woman Crockett.

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<v Speaker 5>She's a very low IQ person.

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00:42:05.199 --> 00:42:07.880
<v Speaker 4>I watched her speak the other day. She's definitely a

645
00:42:07.920 --> 00:42:14.119
<v Speaker 4>low IQ person. Crocket. Oh man, oh man, She's a

646
00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:15.840
<v Speaker 4>very low IQ person.

647
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<v Speaker 5>Somebody said the other day, she's one of the leaders

648
00:42:19.679 --> 00:42:21.480
<v Speaker 5>of the party. I said, you gotta be kidding.

649
00:42:22.960 --> 00:42:24.599
<v Speaker 4>Now, they're gonna rely on Crockett.

650
00:42:24.679 --> 00:42:26.719
<v Speaker 8>Crockett's gonna bring them bed.

651
00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.039
<v Speaker 2>Sabbie. I had to put on my red lip so

652
00:42:33.079 --> 00:42:39.599
<v Speaker 2>I can align with you. I said, we gotta, we

653
00:42:39.639 --> 00:42:45.039
<v Speaker 2>gotta put on our red lip. All right, Okay, first

654
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<v Speaker 2>impressions of this move?

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<v Speaker 8>Who made that ad? Who made that ad?

656
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<v Speaker 7>It just Jasmine Crockett isn't running against Donald Trump, and

657
00:43:07.519 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 7>I feel like the ad also was. I don't know,

658
00:43:10.280 --> 00:43:13.800
<v Speaker 7>it seems to kind of be all about like her

659
00:43:14.280 --> 00:43:19.119
<v Speaker 7>and not policy. It's just it's kind of it's it's

660
00:43:19.159 --> 00:43:23.000
<v Speaker 7>given me ego vibes, right, But ultimately she's she's not

661
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:28.360
<v Speaker 7>running against Donald Trump. So I just I don't know

662
00:43:28.400 --> 00:43:33.800
<v Speaker 7>who's making these decisions. Amanda, Well, you know the.

663
00:43:33.880 --> 00:43:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Thing about it, So at one point in time, Jasmine

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<v Speaker 2>and I were actually really getting cool, and so there's

665
00:43:40.639 --> 00:43:43.840
<v Speaker 2>things that I don't share conversation wise, because they weren't

666
00:43:43.840 --> 00:43:46.559
<v Speaker 2>being had in the context of her being a politician

667
00:43:46.559 --> 00:43:51.079
<v Speaker 2>and me being someone in media or just an intellectual, right,

668
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:53.880
<v Speaker 2>Like they were conversations we were having off the record.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't share those things, unlike my conversations that

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<v Speaker 2>I have with Kamala Harris, which was very much in

671
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<v Speaker 2>the context of you are the vice president of the

672
00:44:01.519 --> 00:44:04.280
<v Speaker 2>United States and you summoned me here to try and

673
00:44:04.320 --> 00:44:07.119
<v Speaker 2>confront me, and you ain't had nothing to say. That

674
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<v Speaker 2>being said, it has been quite disheartening to see just

675
00:44:13.760 --> 00:44:20.679
<v Speaker 2>how quickly she has shifted from I'm a young you know,

676
00:44:20.840 --> 00:44:26.039
<v Speaker 2>republic I'm sorry, representative that's entering the party to now

677
00:44:26.079 --> 00:44:28.480
<v Speaker 2>believing that she is the future of the party based

678
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<v Speaker 2>on what.

679
00:44:33.239 --> 00:44:38.960
<v Speaker 7>I'm I guess because she's been very vocal against of

680
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<v Speaker 7>course Marjorie Taylor Green, the Republican Party in general. She

681
00:44:42.239 --> 00:44:47.320
<v Speaker 7>was very she was more outspoken than others. But that's

682
00:44:47.360 --> 00:44:50.840
<v Speaker 7>the easy part. It's easy to fight against Trump. It's

683
00:44:50.880 --> 00:44:54.559
<v Speaker 7>easy to oppose the Republican Party that's supposed to be

684
00:44:54.639 --> 00:44:57.320
<v Speaker 7>your opposition, supposed to be opposition. They agree on more

685
00:44:57.360 --> 00:45:02.960
<v Speaker 7>than we realize. But where were you when a genocide

686
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:07.000
<v Speaker 7>started under Joe Biden? See, that's the thing I can.

687
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:07.840
<v Speaker 2>Tell you where she was.

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00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:13.280
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it's like you're not pushing back against people in

689
00:45:13.320 --> 00:45:17.400
<v Speaker 7>your own party that have made decisions that lead to

690
00:45:17.559 --> 00:45:21.280
<v Speaker 7>the erasure of a group of people, even now that

691
00:45:21.320 --> 00:45:23.400
<v Speaker 7>Trump's in office. I mean, it's just and we can

692
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<v Speaker 7>get to the Israel park because I'm going to tell

693
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<v Speaker 7>people who she really is.

694
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<v Speaker 2>Oh, but I left that for last because I know,

695
00:45:32.119 --> 00:45:35.000
<v Speaker 2>see one thing about Sabrina Salvati is she's going to

696
00:45:35.079 --> 00:45:39.199
<v Speaker 2>give you the receipts of the receipts. And that is

697
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<v Speaker 2>the thing that I feel like these folks fail to

698
00:45:41.199 --> 00:45:44.639
<v Speaker 2>realize is that there are folks out here who are

699
00:45:44.760 --> 00:45:48.199
<v Speaker 2>tracking their choices, who are tracking their votes, who are

700
00:45:48.199 --> 00:45:51.480
<v Speaker 2>tracking their money, and who are tracking their shifts and

701
00:45:51.519 --> 00:45:56.400
<v Speaker 2>their changes, and they don't acknowledge that, and so they

702
00:45:56.400 --> 00:45:59.320
<v Speaker 2>continue to move as if they're impervious to critique. But

703
00:46:00.039 --> 00:46:03.039
<v Speaker 2>we are going to continue to be acknowledging of the

704
00:46:03.079 --> 00:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>necessity to critique and also to illuminate the ways in

705
00:46:08.079 --> 00:46:11.119
<v Speaker 2>which they are misleading folks, right, because even when we

706
00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:13.719
<v Speaker 2>when we talked about Israel, and when we get there,

707
00:46:13.719 --> 00:46:18.039
<v Speaker 2>I would love for you to also just really amplify

708
00:46:18.159 --> 00:46:25.119
<v Speaker 2>for people the direct implications, the direct what's the word

709
00:46:25.119 --> 00:46:29.000
<v Speaker 2>I'm looking for, the direct effect that having a support

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<v Speaker 2>of Israel has, having a support of Israel has on

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00:46:31.559 --> 00:46:33.559
<v Speaker 2>the people of the United States, right, and of the

712
00:46:33.599 --> 00:46:35.679
<v Speaker 2>people of Texas, et cetera. Because I think people think

713
00:46:35.719 --> 00:46:40.199
<v Speaker 2>it's like a ideological difference that that that we're talking about,

714
00:46:40.239 --> 00:46:49.119
<v Speaker 2>and it's deeper than that. So her running for senator,

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00:46:50.920 --> 00:46:53.440
<v Speaker 2>can you just lay out for people what a senator does,

716
00:46:53.480 --> 00:46:55.719
<v Speaker 2>because let me tell you, a lot of people don't

717
00:46:55.719 --> 00:46:57.639
<v Speaker 2>even know what a senator does. They're just like, oh,

718
00:46:57.639 --> 00:47:01.199
<v Speaker 2>she's running for something, so let's let's just get behind it.

719
00:47:01.239 --> 00:47:02.599
<v Speaker 2>But they don't even know what the role of a

720
00:47:02.639 --> 00:47:06.119
<v Speaker 2>senator is. I'm watching people literally say to me, you know,

721
00:47:07.000 --> 00:47:09.639
<v Speaker 2>she is in Texas, and I see people talking about

722
00:47:09.639 --> 00:47:12.159
<v Speaker 2>her who don't even have a vote in Texas. So

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00:47:12.199 --> 00:47:14.559
<v Speaker 2>why are you acting like this is your business?

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<v Speaker 7>Okay, Well, senators work in Congress, and after legislation passes

725
00:47:23.320 --> 00:47:26.280
<v Speaker 7>the House, it makes its way over to the Senate.

726
00:47:27.000 --> 00:47:30.360
<v Speaker 7>I mean it's like, so she will be voting on

727
00:47:30.440 --> 00:47:35.559
<v Speaker 7>legislation that impacts all of us, the entire United States.

728
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<v Speaker 7>And I think, I don't know. I don't know what

729
00:47:38.639 --> 00:47:41.239
<v Speaker 7>the schools are doing nowadays, but it seems like we

730
00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.480
<v Speaker 7>need to teach civics to people again, or if people

731
00:47:44.519 --> 00:47:47.400
<v Speaker 7>have not learned civics. I'm starting to realize people don't

732
00:47:47.400 --> 00:47:50.920
<v Speaker 7>know what some of these positions actually do, but that

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<v Speaker 7>would be her job. I sort of see Jasmine Crockett

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<v Speaker 7>the same way that I saw John Fetterman when he

735
00:47:58.280 --> 00:48:01.960
<v Speaker 7>ran for Senate years ago. I warned people about John Fetterman,

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<v Speaker 7>and I'm warning people about Jasmine Crockett. The sad part

737
00:48:06.519 --> 00:48:09.639
<v Speaker 7>is a lot of people, a lot of lefties, are

738
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:14.159
<v Speaker 7>saying she's the populist candidate, she's progressive. She's not Jasmine.

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00:48:14.719 --> 00:48:20.079
<v Speaker 7>Jasmine Crockett has taken corporate Pac money. Jasmine Crockett, Wait, wait,

740
00:48:20.239 --> 00:48:21.719
<v Speaker 7>I want to wait, I want to stop there.

741
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<v Speaker 2>It's not just that she took it. It's that she

742
00:48:24.079 --> 00:48:28.519
<v Speaker 2>said she wasn't gonna take it. Yeah, ran on, I

743
00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:31.559
<v Speaker 2>don't take it, but my opponent does, and then proceeded

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<v Speaker 2>to I think it's important to denote these shifts in

745
00:48:34.719 --> 00:48:42.159
<v Speaker 2>ideology that are actually not just impacting her campaign, but

746
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:44.840
<v Speaker 2>impact the way that we are allowing dark money to

747
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:47.840
<v Speaker 2>affect the way our elections operate.

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<v Speaker 7>Right, she was one of the people that said, look

749
00:48:51.679 --> 00:48:54.400
<v Speaker 7>at me, I have zero dollars of corporate Pac money.

750
00:48:54.599 --> 00:48:56.800
<v Speaker 7>But then she went on to take corporate Pac money,

751
00:48:57.119 --> 00:49:00.639
<v Speaker 7>and she took more than her opponent was actually taking.

752
00:49:01.079 --> 00:49:04.719
<v Speaker 7>She's also in the crypto the Crypto club. She took

753
00:49:04.760 --> 00:49:08.960
<v Speaker 7>like the crypto money, which Trump is a big fan of.

754
00:49:10.239 --> 00:49:12.199
<v Speaker 7>And I think that people need to go back and

755
00:49:12.280 --> 00:49:17.000
<v Speaker 7>if you can find it, go to revolutionary change. Jim,

756
00:49:17.199 --> 00:49:21.760
<v Speaker 7>Pearlman and Peter interviewed Jasmine Crockett years ago when she

757
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.679
<v Speaker 7>was in the state House in Texas, and she was

758
00:49:24.719 --> 00:49:29.119
<v Speaker 7>a very different person than the moment she got into Congress.

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00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:32.760
<v Speaker 7>She started to change. And I remember that because that's

760
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:36.039
<v Speaker 7>how I learned about who she was, because they interviewed

761
00:49:36.079 --> 00:49:38.480
<v Speaker 7>her and she was leading like this fight in the

762
00:49:38.480 --> 00:49:42.119
<v Speaker 7>state House in Texas and everything changed.

763
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<v Speaker 2>The fight.

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<v Speaker 8>I forget. It might have been workers. I forget. I

765
00:49:48.679 --> 00:49:50.239
<v Speaker 8>have to go back and check, but it.

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<v Speaker 2>Was something that was actually for the people. Yeah.

767
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:56.800
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and that's why she was brought on to Yeah,

768
00:49:56.840 --> 00:49:58.559
<v Speaker 7>they were talking to her about it. So that was

769
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<v Speaker 7>when I first heard about her. I was like, Okay,

770
00:50:00.679 --> 00:50:03.159
<v Speaker 7>she's out there fighting for you know, for the people.

771
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<v Speaker 7>But then once she got into Congress, you know, you

772
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<v Speaker 7>started to see how she really was. So, yeah, she

773
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:12.280
<v Speaker 7>fights back against the Republican Party, but I mean they're

774
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<v Speaker 7>all kind of doing that in a way. That's that's

775
00:50:15.920 --> 00:50:19.679
<v Speaker 7>the minimum. But don't get don't get it twisted. She's

776
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<v Speaker 7>not a progressive, she's not like a populist candidate. She's

777
00:50:23.280 --> 00:50:28.079
<v Speaker 7>not even grassroots. She's another corporate Democrat, that's all. Jasmine

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<v Speaker 7>Crockett is, Can you illuminate for people? Why that is

779
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<v Speaker 7>not helpful to them?

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00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:40.199
<v Speaker 8>Yeah, it's because of the way that they vote.

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00:50:40.280 --> 00:50:43.480
<v Speaker 7>Right, So these candidates that are taking corporate pac money,

782
00:50:43.480 --> 00:50:46.559
<v Speaker 7>the candidates that are taking you know, whether it's crypto money,

783
00:50:46.559 --> 00:50:48.679
<v Speaker 7>et cetera. You have to know that a lot of

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00:50:48.679 --> 00:50:52.559
<v Speaker 7>these lobby interest groups they write legislation in Congress. It's

785
00:50:52.599 --> 00:50:55.400
<v Speaker 7>not just politicians that are writing legislation. And when they

786
00:50:55.400 --> 00:50:59.400
<v Speaker 7>write legislation, they write legislation that's going to benefit them.

787
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<v Speaker 7>And then these politicians that are taking donations from them

788
00:51:02.760 --> 00:51:06.639
<v Speaker 7>vote towards their interests. That's why they donate money to them.

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<v Speaker 7>Jasmin Crockett isn't even running on Medicare for all.

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<v Speaker 2>Like it.

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<v Speaker 8>It's weird. And I've already seen the shift.

792
00:51:13.360 --> 00:51:17.800
<v Speaker 7>I'm already seeing progressives and they say, yeah, she's the fighter,

793
00:51:17.840 --> 00:51:20.159
<v Speaker 7>she's the progressive we need. Now, all of a sudden,

794
00:51:20.239 --> 00:51:22.760
<v Speaker 7>Medicare for all doesn't matter now, all of a sudden

795
00:51:22.880 --> 00:51:27.960
<v Speaker 7>like Israel doesn't matter and I'm noticing climate change.

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00:51:28.519 --> 00:51:33.239
<v Speaker 2>There's a direct quote on her site where she talks

797
00:51:33.280 --> 00:51:39.119
<v Speaker 2>about energy and climate change and she says it says,

798
00:51:39.199 --> 00:51:42.519
<v Speaker 2>generating more wind powered electricity than any state in the nation,

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<v Speaker 2>Texas forges into the future while also staying true to

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00:51:47.280 --> 00:51:56.280
<v Speaker 2>its oil and gas origins. What does that even mean

801
00:51:57.400 --> 00:51:59.920
<v Speaker 2>to me? What it says is, yes, I'm going to

802
00:52:01.079 --> 00:52:07.119
<v Speaker 2>do green initiatives, which are their own scam by the way, However,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm also going to make sure that you oil tycoons,

804
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:12.920
<v Speaker 2>et cetera are continuing to get your hands on fossil

805
00:52:12.920 --> 00:52:16.239
<v Speaker 2>fuels that we know that we know for a fact

806
00:52:16.639 --> 00:52:20.000
<v Speaker 2>are ruining the actual ability for us to live on

807
00:52:20.039 --> 00:52:21.960
<v Speaker 2>this planet. And we're gonna talk about it later, y'all

808
00:52:22.000 --> 00:52:23.760
<v Speaker 2>when I talk about what's going on in Asia with

809
00:52:23.800 --> 00:52:26.760
<v Speaker 2>the flooding, yeah, go ahead.

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00:52:27.800 --> 00:52:30.639
<v Speaker 7>She's and it's I think she's tricked a lot of people,

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<v Speaker 7>although I have noticed, like z Jalawni has called her

812
00:52:33.920 --> 00:52:37.000
<v Speaker 7>out just recently and said, Jasmine Crockett's not progressive. This

813
00:52:37.079 --> 00:52:38.960
<v Speaker 7>is last night I went over the way that she

814
00:52:39.039 --> 00:52:41.719
<v Speaker 7>has voted. I think a lot of times people just

815
00:52:41.760 --> 00:52:44.960
<v Speaker 7>aren't paying attention. So yeah, like she's raised her voice

816
00:52:44.960 --> 00:52:48.079
<v Speaker 7>against Marjorie Tailer Green, she's called out Trump, she's danced

817
00:52:48.119 --> 00:52:51.079
<v Speaker 7>in the halls of Congress and all those types of things.

818
00:52:51.360 --> 00:52:53.800
<v Speaker 7>But a lot of that is just it's just a distraction,

819
00:52:53.880 --> 00:52:57.840
<v Speaker 7>it's just a formative. Yeah, so let's talk.

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00:52:57.719 --> 00:53:05.559
<v Speaker 2>About her voting. Yeah, let's talk about her door so

821
00:53:05.679 --> 00:53:09.360
<v Speaker 2>her record ahead, we have a delay, so it's a

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00:53:09.400 --> 00:53:10.159
<v Speaker 2>little bit awkward.

823
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<v Speaker 7>So okay, So it was just yeah, I was just

824
00:53:12.440 --> 00:53:15.880
<v Speaker 7>gonna say, for those who were wondering about Israel on

825
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:20.559
<v Speaker 7>foreign policy, most of the time she voted along with Israel.

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<v Speaker 7>Most of the time, she voted along with you know

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00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:26.719
<v Speaker 7>what Trump actually would have wanted for Israel.

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<v Speaker 8>Track a Pack.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm not sure if everybody follows this group on X

830
00:53:31.280 --> 00:53:34.199
<v Speaker 7>but track Apak they have a website of the candidates

831
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<v Speaker 7>that they endorse and also they list the candidates that

832
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<v Speaker 7>are taking like you know, a pac money, et cetera.

833
00:53:40.199 --> 00:53:43.760
<v Speaker 7>They are not endorsing Jasmine Crocket. They said Jasmine Crockett

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<v Speaker 7>did not call it a genocide. Jasmine Crockett because of

835
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<v Speaker 7>the way that she's voted, like not to stop the weapons.

836
00:53:50.039 --> 00:53:52.639
<v Speaker 7>So they have an endorsed her that should tell you everything.

837
00:53:53.480 --> 00:53:55.840
<v Speaker 2>And people are like, well, she hasn't taken a PAC money.

838
00:53:56.039 --> 00:53:57.639
<v Speaker 2>So first of all, I want to let you all

839
00:53:57.679 --> 00:54:01.360
<v Speaker 2>know that there are other packs or other Israeli lobbies

840
00:54:01.440 --> 00:54:05.159
<v Speaker 2>besides a PAC. And now that a PAC is so outed,

841
00:54:05.519 --> 00:54:08.440
<v Speaker 2>they are going other ways. They are finding other surreptitious

842
00:54:08.480 --> 00:54:11.559
<v Speaker 2>ways to get this money to these people. They know

843
00:54:12.039 --> 00:54:14.599
<v Speaker 2>that they have control over these people. At a certain

844
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:18.440
<v Speaker 2>point in time, Jasmine Crockett signed a letter of allegiance

845
00:54:18.559 --> 00:54:22.079
<v Speaker 2>to Israel, and I mean to the lobbies saying like okay,

846
00:54:22.360 --> 00:54:24.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm not gonna do x y Z now. I don't

847
00:54:24.480 --> 00:54:27.199
<v Speaker 2>know the contents of that letter, but she signed it right.

848
00:54:27.360 --> 00:54:31.639
<v Speaker 2>And I remember when Jasmin Crockett went over to Israel

849
00:54:31.760 --> 00:54:34.880
<v Speaker 2>on a trip. If you were against Israel, you're not

850
00:54:34.960 --> 00:54:37.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna go over there and then come back and still

851
00:54:37.360 --> 00:54:40.400
<v Speaker 2>be talking the same way. I would have, honestly, Savs,

852
00:54:40.440 --> 00:54:42.519
<v Speaker 2>I would have been okay with I went over there,

853
00:54:42.639 --> 00:54:45.199
<v Speaker 2>I came back this bullshit. Let me tell you what

854
00:54:45.239 --> 00:54:48.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm saw. This is crazy. We can't get down with this. Now.

855
00:54:48.199 --> 00:54:51.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm over here with Corey Bush and Rashida Tlaid and

856
00:54:51.800 --> 00:54:54.320
<v Speaker 2>we are not gonna allow this happen No, she didn't

857
00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:56.440
<v Speaker 2>do that. She actually came back. And that was also

858
00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:59.840
<v Speaker 2>why I distanced myself from her, because it was like, oh,

859
00:55:00.280 --> 00:55:04.719
<v Speaker 2>you're not standing in truth, and so I can't have

860
00:55:04.840 --> 00:55:08.840
<v Speaker 2>brunch with you no more, right like I can't hang

861
00:55:08.880 --> 00:55:12.239
<v Speaker 2>out with you. And I also want to point out

862
00:55:13.199 --> 00:55:18.599
<v Speaker 2>that for a lot of people, the concept of being

863
00:55:18.679 --> 00:55:21.800
<v Speaker 2>against Israel is something and I said this earlier, it's

864
00:55:21.800 --> 00:55:24.920
<v Speaker 2>something that is an ideology. People are in my comment

865
00:55:25.039 --> 00:55:28.679
<v Speaker 2>saying like Palisinea Palesin ain't got nothing to do with us.

866
00:55:28.840 --> 00:55:33.000
<v Speaker 2>So I want us to talk about why we are

867
00:55:33.079 --> 00:55:39.599
<v Speaker 2>so staunchly against politicians who are in alignment with the

868
00:55:39.639 --> 00:55:43.719
<v Speaker 2>Israeli lobby and Zionism, because it's not simply about the

869
00:55:43.719 --> 00:55:50.400
<v Speaker 2>factors of genocide, which should be enough. It should be enough. Yeah, one,

870
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:53.400
<v Speaker 2>can we talk about the corporate involvement.

871
00:55:54.559 --> 00:55:55.719
<v Speaker 8>Let's talk about the money.

872
00:55:56.440 --> 00:55:58.199
<v Speaker 7>I don't know if everybody has looked this up, but

873
00:55:58.400 --> 00:56:00.400
<v Speaker 7>if you get a chance, you should. You should look

874
00:56:00.440 --> 00:56:02.679
<v Speaker 7>up to see how much your state and your city

875
00:56:02.719 --> 00:56:05.199
<v Speaker 7>sends to Israel. And then I want you to look

876
00:56:05.239 --> 00:56:08.599
<v Speaker 7>up the homelessness rate in your area. I want you

877
00:56:08.639 --> 00:56:11.719
<v Speaker 7>to look at the unemployment rate in your area. I

878
00:56:11.760 --> 00:56:13.400
<v Speaker 7>want you to see where all that where a lot

879
00:56:13.400 --> 00:56:15.559
<v Speaker 7>of the money is going. I can tell you Boston

880
00:56:15.599 --> 00:56:19.199
<v Speaker 7>sent ten million dollars to Israel, and our homelessness rate

881
00:56:19.280 --> 00:56:23.079
<v Speaker 7>is skyrocketed, So the money's not being spent here.

882
00:56:23.320 --> 00:56:24.320
<v Speaker 8>That's a big part of it.

883
00:56:24.760 --> 00:56:28.239
<v Speaker 7>Also for someone who I believe, Jasmine Crockett was a

884
00:56:28.280 --> 00:56:32.360
<v Speaker 7>civil rights lawyer, doesn't she practice civil rights? Okay, So

885
00:56:33.199 --> 00:56:38.840
<v Speaker 7>if you're fighting for civil rights, why are you supporting Israel? Because,

886
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:42.480
<v Speaker 7>if anything, you should be supporting you know, the Palestinian

887
00:56:42.480 --> 00:56:46.119
<v Speaker 7>people are occupied. The Palestinian people are oppressed. The Israelies

888
00:56:46.159 --> 00:56:49.719
<v Speaker 7>are not occupied. The Israelis are not oppressed. They control

889
00:56:49.760 --> 00:56:52.760
<v Speaker 7>the land, the air, and the sea. They control what

890
00:56:52.880 --> 00:56:58.599
<v Speaker 7>even what food goes into Gaza. The Palestinians are losing

891
00:56:58.639 --> 00:57:02.280
<v Speaker 7>their homes in the West Bank because of rabid Israeli

892
00:57:02.320 --> 00:57:05.079
<v Speaker 7>settler violence that is being inflicted on them.

893
00:57:05.280 --> 00:57:06.679
<v Speaker 8>This is a weekly thing.

894
00:57:06.800 --> 00:57:10.039
<v Speaker 7>This didn't start October seventh, but there are multiple you

895
00:57:10.039 --> 00:57:12.840
<v Speaker 7>can look up the videos for yourself. Is rarely settlers

896
00:57:12.880 --> 00:57:16.920
<v Speaker 7>going into the West Bank stealing Palestinian's home, squatting outside

897
00:57:17.000 --> 00:57:19.800
<v Speaker 7>their homes, waiting until they go to work, and then

898
00:57:20.280 --> 00:57:23.559
<v Speaker 7>destroying it, knocking it down like, so that's what that's

899
00:57:23.599 --> 00:57:27.440
<v Speaker 7>what Jasmine supports. People have to understand that when you say,

900
00:57:27.480 --> 00:57:30.239
<v Speaker 7>like I support Israel and we need to stand with them,

901
00:57:30.599 --> 00:57:34.400
<v Speaker 7>you're supporting all of that. So as a civil rights lawyer,

902
00:57:34.440 --> 00:57:36.920
<v Speaker 7>that doesn't make any sense. It's very clear to me

903
00:57:37.320 --> 00:57:40.639
<v Speaker 7>that Jasmine got the talk. And you gotta be careful

904
00:57:40.840 --> 00:57:44.559
<v Speaker 7>because some of these politicians, to Amanda's point, no, they're

905
00:57:44.559 --> 00:57:47.559
<v Speaker 7>not taking a PAC money, but they're still voting along

906
00:57:47.639 --> 00:57:51.039
<v Speaker 7>with Israel's interest. So it's not just enough to say,

907
00:57:51.320 --> 00:57:53.320
<v Speaker 7>let's look them up on open secrets and see if

908
00:57:53.360 --> 00:57:56.320
<v Speaker 7>they're taking money from APAK. And to Amanda's point, there

909
00:57:56.320 --> 00:58:03.800
<v Speaker 7>are other groups. There's Koofy, there's j Street, so as individuals.

910
00:58:03.559 --> 00:58:07.239
<v Speaker 2>Right, there's also individuals like this Ailman lady right, So

911
00:58:07.360 --> 00:58:10.880
<v Speaker 2>like James Tallerico who is also running and who others

912
00:58:10.920 --> 00:58:14.239
<v Speaker 2>will say is another option he takes his He's getting

913
00:58:14.280 --> 00:58:18.280
<v Speaker 2>his Israel money from an individual from Adelman, who also

914
00:58:19.119 --> 00:58:22.480
<v Speaker 2>sent buttloads of money to Donald Trump. And this is

915
00:58:22.519 --> 00:58:26.239
<v Speaker 2>why Sabby I'm like, I need people to understand that

916
00:58:26.400 --> 00:58:32.760
<v Speaker 2>we are watching a false flag operation in there being

917
00:58:32.800 --> 00:58:36.639
<v Speaker 2>opposition between Democrats and Republicans. And Sabby talks about this

918
00:58:36.719 --> 00:58:40.280
<v Speaker 2>all the time on her show. At the end of

919
00:58:40.280 --> 00:58:42.440
<v Speaker 2>the day, they're all funded by the same people, and

920
00:58:42.559 --> 00:58:45.280
<v Speaker 2>that is who you're supposed to be fighting against, right,

921
00:58:45.519 --> 00:58:47.800
<v Speaker 2>And it feels like people just refuse to want to

922
00:58:47.840 --> 00:58:50.159
<v Speaker 2>acknowledge that. They just want to get caught up in

923
00:58:50.280 --> 00:58:55.400
<v Speaker 2>the battle royale between these two sides instead of acknowledging

924
00:58:55.400 --> 00:58:57.320
<v Speaker 2>that these two sides are being paid by the same people.

925
00:58:57.400 --> 00:58:59.960
<v Speaker 2>So that's obviously who the issue should be with. Now

926
00:59:00.159 --> 00:59:03.039
<v Speaker 2>when we talk about black folks, right and okay, people

927
00:59:03.079 --> 00:59:04.800
<v Speaker 2>are like, well, you're not going to get her to

928
00:59:04.920 --> 00:59:06.400
<v Speaker 2>you're not going to get people to not care about

929
00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:08.920
<v Speaker 2>her because of Israel palesign because those are black folks.

930
00:59:09.239 --> 00:59:13.719
<v Speaker 2>Israel is behind what's going on in the Congo. Israel

931
00:59:13.960 --> 00:59:18.039
<v Speaker 2>is involved in providing arms to the members of the

932
00:59:18.159 --> 00:59:22.440
<v Speaker 2>RSF in Sudan. Israel has one hundred percent been a

933
00:59:22.480 --> 00:59:26.599
<v Speaker 2>part of the overthrow of Libya. These are all actual

934
00:59:26.679 --> 00:59:31.559
<v Speaker 2>Israel provided weapons to destabilize Haiti. So when we talk

935
00:59:31.639 --> 00:59:35.719
<v Speaker 2>about these issues of oh, well, those aren't black people,

936
00:59:35.760 --> 00:59:38.280
<v Speaker 2>so we don't care. Tell me when you all start

937
00:59:38.320 --> 00:59:41.679
<v Speaker 2>to care that all of this also comes back because

938
00:59:41.679 --> 00:59:44.840
<v Speaker 2>what's also happening is we have all of these cop

939
00:59:44.880 --> 00:59:53.880
<v Speaker 2>cities that are in place to become the headquarters of ICE,

940
00:59:54.039 --> 00:59:56.840
<v Speaker 2>which is going to essentially become the IDF, and they're

941
00:59:56.880 --> 01:00:00.039
<v Speaker 2>going to be suppressing Yo Town and Yo City. We

942
01:00:00.119 --> 01:00:03.639
<v Speaker 2>have black democrats like your man's in Atlanta who are

943
01:00:03.760 --> 01:00:07.039
<v Speaker 2>riding with that, and they're going along with this Zionism

944
01:00:07.119 --> 01:00:10.760
<v Speaker 2>mindset as if it is not going to affect black people.

945
01:00:13.000 --> 01:00:18.519
<v Speaker 7>The NYPD is directly aligned with the IDF. That whole

946
01:00:18.559 --> 01:00:22.920
<v Speaker 7>boat on your next thing, that whole boot on your

947
01:00:22.960 --> 01:00:23.400
<v Speaker 7>next thing.

948
01:00:24.119 --> 01:00:26.880
<v Speaker 8>Where do you think this all this works together?

949
01:00:27.360 --> 01:00:27.519
<v Speaker 2>Right?

950
01:00:27.719 --> 01:00:27.880
<v Speaker 8>So?

951
01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:30.480
<v Speaker 7>I was just talking about last night about the AI

952
01:00:30.760 --> 01:00:35.239
<v Speaker 7>and intelligence that's happening. Israel is advancing, advancing their technology,

953
01:00:36.079 --> 01:00:39.199
<v Speaker 7>especially when it comes to AI. They're already making statements

954
01:00:39.239 --> 01:00:41.320
<v Speaker 7>and people need to pay attention to what's happening out there.

955
01:00:41.440 --> 01:00:44.199
<v Speaker 7>They're already making statements that Americans who don't want to

956
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:48.679
<v Speaker 7>agree with Israel, we should treat them like people in Gaza.

957
01:00:48.480 --> 01:00:52.760
<v Speaker 7>And I have that's whom people are are supporting. One

958
01:00:52.840 --> 01:00:58.119
<v Speaker 7>thousand pastors just went to Israel to be brainwashed by

959
01:00:58.239 --> 01:01:01.079
<v Speaker 7>Benjamin Nette. Yahoo to go back can take this message

960
01:01:01.119 --> 01:01:04.039
<v Speaker 7>to their congregations that you need to get your people

961
01:01:04.039 --> 01:01:07.679
<v Speaker 7>in order to support Israel because they're losing support between

962
01:01:08.039 --> 01:01:12.039
<v Speaker 7>among the right the young right wing Christians now and

963
01:01:12.119 --> 01:01:13.840
<v Speaker 7>that that's a problem for them.

964
01:01:13.880 --> 01:01:16.480
<v Speaker 8>So I ask.

965
01:01:16.280 --> 01:01:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Yourself, actually, yeah, well, I'm trying to get it over here.

966
01:01:21.039 --> 01:01:26.239
<v Speaker 2>You gotta like, why have you seen the APEC video. Yes,

967
01:01:27.679 --> 01:01:31.880
<v Speaker 2>let's show that real quick for people, because this is nuts.

968
01:01:33.480 --> 01:01:36.000
<v Speaker 13>It's the start of a new day, and thanks to

969
01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:40.519
<v Speaker 13>Israeli innovation, our journey will be made easier.

970
01:01:41.400 --> 01:01:43.960
<v Speaker 4>I'll show you the sky.

971
01:01:44.320 --> 01:01:54.159
<v Speaker 13>Our connections clearer, looking down, our food more plentiful and nourishing,

972
01:01:52.960 --> 01:02:00.440
<v Speaker 13>our oceans cleaner, looking down, our communities safe and you

973
01:02:06.159 --> 01:02:11.599
<v Speaker 13>I loved ones healthier, and we.

974
01:02:11.519 --> 01:02:14.480
<v Speaker 2>Can take it one step back the time. We can

975
01:02:14.519 --> 01:02:17.599
<v Speaker 2>take it one step, one step till we get it.

976
01:02:19.920 --> 01:02:20.800
<v Speaker 4>From morning tonight.

977
01:02:21.159 --> 01:02:25.480
<v Speaker 13>Whatever the challenge, Israel is America's partner for a better future.

978
01:02:32.480 --> 01:02:42.639
<v Speaker 7>That technology frighten people. Yep, technology, This is often Israel.

979
01:02:43.320 --> 01:02:44.559
<v Speaker 2>Go ahead, go ahead, Sorry.

980
01:02:45.039 --> 01:02:46.960
<v Speaker 7>Well, I just want to remind people when you think

981
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:49.000
<v Speaker 7>about the things that we don't have here, I want

982
01:02:49.039 --> 01:02:51.239
<v Speaker 7>to remind you Israel has universal health care.

983
01:02:51.960 --> 01:02:52.159
<v Speaker 2>Yep.

984
01:02:52.320 --> 01:02:57.440
<v Speaker 7>Israel has free university. But the same politicians who stand

985
01:02:57.519 --> 01:02:59.280
<v Speaker 7>up in front of you and tell you that that's

986
01:02:59.320 --> 01:03:03.480
<v Speaker 7>socialism and we shouldn't have that here. Support an ally

987
01:03:03.599 --> 01:03:05.719
<v Speaker 7>with Israel that has those things.

988
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:06.800
<v Speaker 8>Make it make sense?

989
01:03:10.119 --> 01:03:14.400
<v Speaker 2>How does that add up? And people think that just

990
01:03:14.519 --> 01:03:24.599
<v Speaker 2>having a black person somewhere is advancement is progress If

991
01:03:24.639 --> 01:03:31.039
<v Speaker 2>that black person is not operating different than the system

992
01:03:31.280 --> 01:03:34.639
<v Speaker 2>they're in, they are simply just advancing the system.

993
01:03:35.719 --> 01:03:40.840
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, and that's not just Jasmine Crockett, That's that's Corey Booker,

994
01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:45.039
<v Speaker 7>that's Haakm Jeffries, that's all of them. They're not there

995
01:03:45.079 --> 01:03:47.800
<v Speaker 7>to work for you. They're there to work for their donors.

996
01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:50.880
<v Speaker 7>That's why the money is involved. So yeah, I know,

997
01:03:50.920 --> 01:03:53.840
<v Speaker 7>I get it. People want to have representation, But what

998
01:03:53.920 --> 01:03:57.400
<v Speaker 7>kind of representation are you? Are we actually getting the

999
01:03:57.480 --> 01:04:00.920
<v Speaker 7>fact that the Congressional Black Caucus align with Israel and

1000
01:04:01.000 --> 01:04:05.119
<v Speaker 7>prioritizes Israel. I bet you didn't know unless Amanda told you.

1001
01:04:05.519 --> 01:04:08.880
<v Speaker 7>Did your representatives that are part of the Congressional Black Caucus,

1002
01:04:08.960 --> 01:04:11.480
<v Speaker 7>did they tell you they went to Israel. They took

1003
01:04:11.480 --> 01:04:13.840
<v Speaker 7>a big old trip over to Israel, and they kind

1004
01:04:13.880 --> 01:04:17.079
<v Speaker 7>of hushed and quiet about that, right, So that's their priority.

1005
01:04:17.239 --> 01:04:19.280
<v Speaker 7>So when you look around in your district and you

1006
01:04:19.320 --> 01:04:22.039
<v Speaker 7>look around, you wonder why is in our communities improving,

1007
01:04:22.079 --> 01:04:25.920
<v Speaker 7>Why they're not fighting for you. They decided that a

1008
01:04:25.960 --> 01:04:28.199
<v Speaker 7>long time ago. I hate to say it, but the

1009
01:04:28.280 --> 01:04:31.679
<v Speaker 7>reality is, we have a lot of it rhymes with spoons.

1010
01:04:32.280 --> 01:04:34.639
<v Speaker 7>We have a lot of spoons in Congress.

1011
01:04:34.960 --> 01:04:35.719
<v Speaker 8>We really do.

1012
01:04:35.800 --> 01:04:38.079
<v Speaker 7>We got a lot of spoons in Congress. These people,

1013
01:04:38.079 --> 01:04:41.480
<v Speaker 7>it's fake representation. They're not there to really help you.

1014
01:04:41.480 --> 01:04:44.000
<v Speaker 7>You see how quickly they can bring forward legislation to

1015
01:04:44.039 --> 01:04:48.199
<v Speaker 7>prioritize Israel. But how dare you come to them and say, hey,

1016
01:04:48.280 --> 01:04:51.719
<v Speaker 7>I want legislation for this, this for the black community.

1017
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:53.360
<v Speaker 8>All now is not the time.

1018
01:04:54.719 --> 01:04:56.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean common Let's head straight up. I will not

1019
01:04:56.880 --> 01:04:59.280
<v Speaker 2>make laws that are just for the black community, not laws.

1020
01:04:59.320 --> 01:05:01.639
<v Speaker 2>I will not bring fourth legislation and bills that are

1021
01:05:01.679 --> 01:05:03.039
<v Speaker 2>just for the black community. I won't do it.

1022
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:05.239
<v Speaker 8>But she'll do it for Israel.

1023
01:05:06.119 --> 01:05:10.320
<v Speaker 2>Oh hell yes. Now. And in providing greater context for

1024
01:05:10.400 --> 01:05:13.639
<v Speaker 2>people as to what the issue with Israel, let let

1025
01:05:13.639 --> 01:05:16.280
<v Speaker 2>me show you the type of conversations that happened in Isra.

1026
01:05:22.519 --> 01:05:32.960
<v Speaker 14>And this is a rabbi in Israel who is a

1027
01:05:33.079 --> 01:05:37.800
<v Speaker 14>well known person in the in the community.

1028
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:43.000
<v Speaker 2>He is not just like some random person talking about

1029
01:05:43.559 --> 01:05:50.199
<v Speaker 2>why slavery should return. The non Jews will want to

1030
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:56.519
<v Speaker 2>be our slave. He is the head of the Sons

1031
01:05:56.519 --> 01:06:04.480
<v Speaker 2>of David religious seminary, and he goes on to say

1032
01:06:04.480 --> 01:06:09.840
<v Speaker 2>that being the slave of a Jew is the best

1033
01:06:10.320 --> 01:06:17.119
<v Speaker 2>ayeshiva Zomi. This is a military prep school and he

1034
01:06:17.400 --> 01:06:20.639
<v Speaker 2>is a teacher there. It is the most well known.

1035
01:06:25.320 --> 01:06:28.480
<v Speaker 2>Most of his students are former soldiers. I also want

1036
01:06:28.519 --> 01:06:31.840
<v Speaker 2>to point out that Israel passed more than thirty laws

1037
01:06:31.880 --> 01:06:37.360
<v Speaker 2>since October this is October twenty three that deepen their

1038
01:06:37.400 --> 01:06:41.719
<v Speaker 2>system of apartheid and repression. So how can you, genuinely

1039
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:49.239
<v Speaker 2>as a civil rights lawyer in twenty twenty five continue

1040
01:06:49.280 --> 01:06:56.320
<v Speaker 2>with unflinching support, continue to have on flinching support. Now,

1041
01:06:56.440 --> 01:06:58.599
<v Speaker 2>one thing I want to say, Sabs is that I

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01:06:58.639 --> 01:07:03.119
<v Speaker 2>want to ask you, do you feel like this is

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<v Speaker 2>enough of an issue to render her campaign dead in

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<v Speaker 2>the water?

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<v Speaker 7>Well, I mean people are going to voeverhear regardless, But

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<v Speaker 7>I will say this, she has to get through the

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01:07:17.280 --> 01:07:20.199
<v Speaker 7>primary first, which she might go on to win the primary.

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<v Speaker 7>But do I think she's gonna win in the general?

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01:07:23.760 --> 01:07:26.320
<v Speaker 7>I mean it's Texas most likely not. I just read

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01:07:26.320 --> 01:07:29.960
<v Speaker 7>an article earlier this morning that said that the Republican

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<v Speaker 7>Party actually elevated. They want her in the race because

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<v Speaker 7>they believe she'll be the easiest to beat.

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<v Speaker 8>It's the pied piper strategy.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 8>Sorry, the sun is coming in. I don't know.

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01:07:46.519 --> 01:07:48.480
<v Speaker 2>You bringing in the light. Oh you're not used to

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01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:49.559
<v Speaker 2>it in the day.

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01:07:50.320 --> 01:07:53.840
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, it looks like a halo's coming in.

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01:07:53.960 --> 01:07:57.719
<v Speaker 2>Like, Oh, I with it. I'm with it. Take us

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01:07:57.760 --> 01:07:59.800
<v Speaker 2>to the lights, have show us the light?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh man.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, one thing I will say is I appreciate not

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01:08:06.679 --> 01:08:12.199
<v Speaker 2>being alone in speaking the honesty about these folks and

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<v Speaker 2>the truth about their existence as political figures. I think

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01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:22.479
<v Speaker 2>people are so wrapped up in celebrity that they forget

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<v Speaker 2>that these are lawmakers.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah yeah, and they'll be making laws that impact our lives.

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<v Speaker 7>So people need to think about that. And as much

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01:08:32.039 --> 01:08:35.880
<v Speaker 7>as I've been ranting about healthcare over the years, that's

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<v Speaker 7>another thing. Why is Jasmine Crockett not even supporting Medicare

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<v Speaker 7>for all?

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<v Speaker 2>She's supporting the ACA, which is not the same. So

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<v Speaker 2>you know they're going to continue to say that we're traders,

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01:08:57.520 --> 01:08:59.720
<v Speaker 2>so go us.

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<v Speaker 8>I will say.

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<v Speaker 7>I'll say this, I think that people need to focus

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01:09:06.880 --> 01:09:09.199
<v Speaker 7>on building dual power. I think you need to stop

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01:09:09.279 --> 01:09:12.640
<v Speaker 7>like making the pride to the politicians your priority and

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01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:15.159
<v Speaker 7>making them their hero. I don't think that needs to

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<v Speaker 7>be the thing. A lot of times people are like,

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<v Speaker 7>who should we look towards to get in Congress, to

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01:09:21.760 --> 01:09:23.520
<v Speaker 7>get into the House, to get into the White House.

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<v Speaker 7>And at the end of the day, you need to

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01:09:25.239 --> 01:09:28.039
<v Speaker 7>look towards the people that are around you, your family,

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01:09:28.119 --> 01:09:31.920
<v Speaker 7>your community, yourself, look in the mirror, and you need

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01:09:31.960 --> 01:09:34.760
<v Speaker 7>to work on building dual power. You can do this

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01:09:34.800 --> 01:09:37.199
<v Speaker 7>through mutual aid, which is something that I do and

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01:09:37.560 --> 01:09:40.640
<v Speaker 7>all of us at AREBN we do mutual aid. You

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01:09:40.640 --> 01:09:44.640
<v Speaker 7>can do that direct action organizing. I mean, i'd say, like,

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01:09:44.720 --> 01:09:47.239
<v Speaker 7>you know, look at what the Black Panthers did. They

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01:09:47.239 --> 01:09:50.119
<v Speaker 7>weren't sitting around and waiting for the government to like

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01:09:50.199 --> 01:09:52.960
<v Speaker 7>these politicians to do the right thing and help them.

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01:09:53.319 --> 01:09:57.000
<v Speaker 7>They decided to help themselves. So I think that's where

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01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:59.159
<v Speaker 7>that fight is really going to be. There's a number

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01:09:59.399 --> 01:10:01.960
<v Speaker 7>of documents that you can look up to learn about

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01:10:02.039 --> 01:10:04.399
<v Speaker 7>dual power, and I think that's what you need to

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01:10:04.439 --> 01:10:07.600
<v Speaker 7>focus on and not. I'm not to say that electoral

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01:10:07.600 --> 01:10:10.680
<v Speaker 7>politics isn't a tool that you can't use in your toolbox.

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01:10:10.800 --> 01:10:14.800
<v Speaker 7>You can but it's not the only tool At.

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<v Speaker 2>This point, Zabby, I believe less and less that it

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01:10:17.840 --> 01:10:20.840
<v Speaker 2>is an actual tool to use in the toolbox because

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<v Speaker 2>I just haven't seen any evidence of it being useful yet. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>I think.

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<v Speaker 7>I think like on the local level, I have seen

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01:10:32.520 --> 01:10:35.920
<v Speaker 7>Green Party members and independents get into some of these

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01:10:35.960 --> 01:10:38.800
<v Speaker 7>local seats, these local positions and do.

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01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:39.560
<v Speaker 8>Well with that.

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01:10:40.319 --> 01:10:42.079
<v Speaker 7>So I think, I don't know, maybe people need to

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01:10:42.119 --> 01:10:46.640
<v Speaker 7>look a little bit more locally, like I encourage more people,

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01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:50.960
<v Speaker 7>need to more independence or if you're your third party,

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01:10:51.760 --> 01:10:54.199
<v Speaker 7>we need more of those people running for these local

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01:10:54.279 --> 01:11:00.840
<v Speaker 7>races mayor school board, city council. And it's so interesting

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01:11:00.880 --> 01:11:04.920
<v Speaker 7>everybody just looks for Congress, like the congressional races. What's

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01:11:04.960 --> 01:11:07.920
<v Speaker 7>happening in your community, Like who's on the city council.

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01:11:08.000 --> 01:11:11.319
<v Speaker 7>City council controls the budget, so like start looking in

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01:11:11.439 --> 01:11:12.479
<v Speaker 7>counsel us how.

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01:11:12.319 --> 01:11:17.479
<v Speaker 2>You have a arena getting built in your hood?

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01:11:18.159 --> 01:11:18.800
<v Speaker 8>There you go.

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01:11:19.720 --> 01:11:23.039
<v Speaker 7>So I mean what we're talking about, like with the

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<v Speaker 7>stadiums and the gentrification, Like that's not coming from Congress,

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01:11:27.720 --> 01:11:29.960
<v Speaker 7>that's not coming from the White House. That's happening locally.

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01:11:30.880 --> 01:11:35.000
<v Speaker 2>Yep, it's happening locally. And I want to also point

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01:11:35.039 --> 01:11:40.000
<v Speaker 2>out though the corruption is also happening locally, So I

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<v Speaker 2>just also want to make that clear. We're not saying

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01:11:43.319 --> 01:11:47.600
<v Speaker 2>that locally is fair and veterally is not. None of

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01:11:47.640 --> 01:11:50.359
<v Speaker 2>it is fair at present. There's corruption in all of this.

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01:11:50.720 --> 01:11:53.199
<v Speaker 2>We are seeing different states that are making them move

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<v Speaker 2>to remove dark money from their elections, dark money meaning

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01:11:57.640 --> 01:12:01.840
<v Speaker 2>money that cannot be tracked. However, it's really important that

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01:12:01.880 --> 01:12:05.760
<v Speaker 2>we understand that politics as it exists in the United

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01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:08.319
<v Speaker 2>States and in many places, by the way, is a

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01:12:08.760 --> 01:12:12.319
<v Speaker 2>system of corruption. It's the same way that policing is

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01:12:12.359 --> 01:12:16.760
<v Speaker 2>a system of harm. So the system itself is made

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01:12:16.760 --> 01:12:19.960
<v Speaker 2>a certain way, and people actually go into that system

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01:12:20.079 --> 01:12:25.880
<v Speaker 2>knowing that many times to exploit that. Okay, so that

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01:12:26.039 --> 01:12:28.119
<v Speaker 2>is something that you can on a local level have

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01:12:28.199 --> 01:12:31.840
<v Speaker 2>a lot more two teeth to fight than on a

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01:12:31.880 --> 01:12:34.279
<v Speaker 2>federal level, because these people live in your neighborhood. Like

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01:12:34.319 --> 01:12:36.760
<v Speaker 2>they are there, You see them, and you can be

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01:12:36.800 --> 01:12:38.600
<v Speaker 2>on their head and on their neck every day that

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01:12:38.720 --> 01:12:41.199
<v Speaker 2>you see them. Why are you taking money from such

1142
01:12:41.239 --> 01:12:43.279
<v Speaker 2>and such? Why are you doing such and such? We

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01:12:43.319 --> 01:12:45.640
<v Speaker 2>are not going to have handle that. I also want

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01:12:45.640 --> 01:12:48.239
<v Speaker 2>to point out though that the Zionism is also going

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01:12:48.279 --> 01:12:52.600
<v Speaker 2>to the local level. We are seeing Zionists, like you said,

1146
01:12:52.840 --> 01:12:57.199
<v Speaker 2>having meetings with local leaders in churches and pastors. They're

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01:12:57.239 --> 01:13:03.000
<v Speaker 2>also meeting with mayors and giving them incentive to create

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01:13:03.159 --> 01:13:10.000
<v Speaker 2>legislation that suppresses challenging of Israel, you know, that suppresses BDS, etc.

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01:13:10.720 --> 01:13:16.479
<v Speaker 2>So when you see this much effort of something, you

1150
01:13:16.560 --> 01:13:20.119
<v Speaker 2>should absolutely be having a red flag say hold up,

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01:13:20.159 --> 01:13:22.159
<v Speaker 2>I need to be paying attention to this. And I

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01:13:22.239 --> 01:13:24.560
<v Speaker 2>see so many folks that are saying, I don't know

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01:13:24.560 --> 01:13:31.520
<v Speaker 2>what Zionism is, so it must not be that important, hm.

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<v Speaker 7>I would say, the fact that you don't know what

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01:13:34.199 --> 01:13:39.319
<v Speaker 7>it is is the reason why it is that important.

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01:13:42.520 --> 01:13:45.640
<v Speaker 7>They don't want you to know about certain things. I mean,

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01:13:45.760 --> 01:13:48.479
<v Speaker 7>it's just, you know, I don't know. I had this

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01:13:48.560 --> 01:13:51.000
<v Speaker 7>conversation with my viewers, even when it came to the

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01:13:51.000 --> 01:13:53.800
<v Speaker 7>biblical perspective, and I was breaking this down for them

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01:13:53.840 --> 01:13:55.760
<v Speaker 7>as well as I'm like you, guys, got to understand again,

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01:13:55.760 --> 01:13:59.359
<v Speaker 7>in the Bible, when Jesus was talking about Israel, I

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01:13:59.399 --> 01:14:03.119
<v Speaker 7>will call you, he was speaking directly to Jacob. And

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01:14:03.159 --> 01:14:05.560
<v Speaker 7>it's just it's all these things that because I grew

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01:14:05.600 --> 01:14:09.399
<v Speaker 7>up in the church, so it's it's all these things

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01:14:09.399 --> 01:14:12.560
<v Speaker 7>that I'm just like, no, that's not really what you know,

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01:14:12.600 --> 01:14:14.880
<v Speaker 7>what the Bible says. So for all of you who

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01:14:14.960 --> 01:14:17.439
<v Speaker 7>do go to church, get ready, because they already said

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<v Speaker 7>they want ten thousand more pastors to come to Israel

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01:14:20.399 --> 01:14:23.920
<v Speaker 7>and bring that message back to their congregation. So was

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01:14:23.960 --> 01:14:27.159
<v Speaker 7>your pastor absent last week? Maybe he might have been

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01:14:27.159 --> 01:14:29.920
<v Speaker 7>on that trip because that list was confidential. I think

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01:14:30.239 --> 01:14:35.079
<v Speaker 7>if you follow jen x girl on x she is

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01:14:35.119 --> 01:14:37.479
<v Speaker 7>trying to post the list. She's trying to get the

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01:14:37.520 --> 01:14:40.319
<v Speaker 7>list of the names of everybody who was there. But again,

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01:14:40.359 --> 01:14:42.000
<v Speaker 7>why does it need to be Why why did it

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<v Speaker 7>need to be confidential? Why why can't people know if

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01:14:46.159 --> 01:14:50.279
<v Speaker 7>their pastor is participating in the propaganda. So it's another way,

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01:14:50.319 --> 01:14:53.039
<v Speaker 7>and we can go into this another time. But there's

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01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:54.720
<v Speaker 7>part of reason why you don't see me in the

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01:14:54.800 --> 01:14:57.840
<v Speaker 7>church today, because like, I'm not going to sit up

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01:14:57.840 --> 01:15:00.680
<v Speaker 7>here and listen to somebody who says, you know, we're

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01:15:00.720 --> 01:15:03.760
<v Speaker 7>we're Christian, but it's okay to kill these kids in Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>No, you better stand on its abs I would. I

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01:15:11.239 --> 01:15:13.279
<v Speaker 2>do want to show the video of the pastors though,

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01:15:13.520 --> 01:15:16.279
<v Speaker 2>because it's very disturbing to me and I just think

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01:15:16.319 --> 01:15:19.159
<v Speaker 2>it's important before you go.

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<v Speaker 15>I'm here to be part of the Ambassadors' taking place

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01:15:23.000 --> 01:15:24.640
<v Speaker 15>this week. We're here for seven days support Israel and

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01:15:24.760 --> 01:15:26.680
<v Speaker 15>to take what we learn back to our people back home.

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<v Speaker 15>I'll be listen parative that we're educating the younger generation

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01:15:29.119 --> 01:15:31.119
<v Speaker 15>on what it means. Can't just stands for Israel. There's

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<v Speaker 15>a lot, a lot to learn, a lot to be

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<v Speaker 15>present for, and that is what I expect to do

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01:15:35.159 --> 01:15:35.800
<v Speaker 15>the good news about.

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<v Speaker 2>So again we need to point out this is black, white,

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01:15:41.319 --> 01:15:42.720
<v Speaker 2>all flavors, all right.

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<v Speaker 4>Place.

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<v Speaker 15>I do some of God's place for gods people, and

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<v Speaker 15>we need to support them.

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<v Speaker 4>Reverence Johnny Moore.

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<v Speaker 15>We are here to answer a call. Our faith requires

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01:15:57.039 --> 01:16:00.319
<v Speaker 15>action when darkness crisis, and here we are. But the

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01:16:00.359 --> 01:16:01.840
<v Speaker 15>promise is Abraham still notch go with the song. The

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01:16:01.920 --> 01:16:04.039
<v Speaker 15>song still rise, And we gathered here on this closing

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01:16:04.039 --> 01:16:05.920
<v Speaker 15>afternoon to declare a spiritual war.

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<v Speaker 2>Wellcome everybody, Okay, I'm not gonna show the whole thing,

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01:16:09.399 --> 01:16:10.960
<v Speaker 2>but the man just said we're here to declare a

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<v Speaker 2>spiritual war.

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<v Speaker 4>Yep.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna text you later a SABS congratulations on the documentary.

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<v Speaker 2>You all please go to Savvy Savs YouTube that you

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01:16:32.560 --> 01:16:38.039
<v Speaker 2>can watch the documentary Removed Erasure of Black Boston and

1213
01:16:38.560 --> 01:16:45.600
<v Speaker 2>support independent creators, support independent journalists, support them not only

1214
01:16:45.640 --> 01:16:49.279
<v Speaker 2>because we not getting paid from anything betther than your

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01:16:49.359 --> 01:16:53.199
<v Speaker 2>grassroots support, but also because you deserve to know the

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01:16:53.319 --> 01:16:56.600
<v Speaker 2>truth and there are people out here who have dedicated

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01:16:56.640 --> 01:16:59.079
<v Speaker 2>our lives to bringing that to you. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>care about the truth, then you got to care about us.

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<v Speaker 2>So thank you so much for joining us and for

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01:17:03.840 --> 01:17:06.680
<v Speaker 2>enlightening us as you always do. And also remind people

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01:17:06.720 --> 01:17:08.439
<v Speaker 2>when they can check out your show.

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<v Speaker 7>Yep, So I'm live on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday evenings.

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01:17:15.920 --> 01:17:20.159
<v Speaker 2>You in there, Savs Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday, y'all you

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01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:23.640
<v Speaker 2>get three days a week to check out Sabby Sabs

1225
01:17:23.640 --> 01:17:26.479
<v Speaker 2>who will be checking all of the facts and giving

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<v Speaker 2>them to you. Thank you one more, Thank you again

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<v Speaker 2>for finally making it on the show, and we shall

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<v Speaker 2>continue on my red lips. Sister. Hey, I have a

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<v Speaker 2>good one. Yay. Y'all been asking Sabby coming on the show. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just gonna turn right round, right round and get

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<v Speaker 2>into our next guest. We are, miss how are you greeting?

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<v Speaker 4>Hey? Can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 2>I can, can you hear me?

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<v Speaker 4>I Amanda? Yeah, I can perfectly clip.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, okay, Well let me just tell y'all. Missun describes

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01:18:27.359 --> 01:18:33.439
<v Speaker 2>himself your your your Instagram bio is very specific while

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<v Speaker 2>not being specific at all. So miss Un says dyslexic

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<v Speaker 2>Nerdi virgin Oscar nominated end of lacyp Award winner. Opinions

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01:18:42.279 --> 01:18:45.520
<v Speaker 2>expressed are solely my own. However, you are I know

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<v Speaker 2>you to be a photographer.

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<v Speaker 4>Before we even get there. I jumped on early and

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<v Speaker 4>I hadn't seen the clip that you shown of these

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<v Speaker 4>priests were actors, pastors.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everybody is getting brainwashed, baby. That's the that's the

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<v Speaker 2>new wave.

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<v Speaker 4>Mm hmm I. And it's it's particularly I don't know

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<v Speaker 4>if you've seen The Voice of hinrad Jab yet. Have

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<v Speaker 4>you watched that film?

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<v Speaker 2>No? I have not seen it yet. There's a part

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<v Speaker 2>of me that's not prepared.

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<v Speaker 4>Listen. I ran away from it. I've run away from

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01:19:27.520 --> 01:19:30.720
<v Speaker 4>that film for four months, and I decided, look, just

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01:19:30.920 --> 01:19:34.800
<v Speaker 4>you know, if if Palestinians are enduring what they're enduring,

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01:19:34.960 --> 01:19:37.399
<v Speaker 4>go and see the bloody film. And I sat down,

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01:19:37.479 --> 01:19:39.680
<v Speaker 4>and the reason I'm bringing this up that it's particularly

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01:19:39.760 --> 01:19:43.199
<v Speaker 4>hard to see men and women of God going to

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01:19:43.319 --> 01:19:46.760
<v Speaker 4>this place after watching that film, because what you learn

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01:19:46.800 --> 01:19:49.520
<v Speaker 4>in the film is we all know what happened to

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01:19:49.560 --> 01:19:51.319
<v Speaker 4>this six year old. But what I didn't know is

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01:19:51.319 --> 01:19:54.960
<v Speaker 4>that they had the technology to have the heat that

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01:19:55.079 --> 01:19:58.399
<v Speaker 4>they could see who is dead or alive. They could

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01:19:58.479 --> 01:20:02.119
<v Speaker 4>see the size of the soul, so they knew it

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01:20:02.159 --> 01:20:04.880
<v Speaker 4>was a child, and they knew that this child was

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01:20:04.920 --> 01:20:09.960
<v Speaker 4>surrounded by her dead relatives, the corpses of their dead relatives.

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<v Speaker 4>And then they just played call of duty for three

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01:20:13.039 --> 01:20:18.720
<v Speaker 4>hours taking potshots at her. And it's just to see

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01:20:18.720 --> 01:20:23.680
<v Speaker 4>people of God, you know, in the twenty four hour period.

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<v Speaker 4>I just I didn't know about this trip. I missed

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<v Speaker 4>this one.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's hard to keep up, to be quite honest,

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01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:35.800
<v Speaker 2>I mean, the nonsense is just so innumerable that it's

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01:20:35.840 --> 01:20:37.680
<v Speaker 2>hard to keep up. I mean, the other day you

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01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:42.239
<v Speaker 2>had into mar Ben Gavie wearing a noose pin. I

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01:20:42.279 --> 01:20:46.119
<v Speaker 2>saw them along with others in the Israeli Kanesse, in

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01:20:46.159 --> 01:20:49.560
<v Speaker 2>support of their push to create a death penalty for

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01:20:49.640 --> 01:20:53.520
<v Speaker 2>all of the Palestinian prisoners. Mind you, these people have

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01:20:53.640 --> 01:20:59.039
<v Speaker 2>not had cases, they have not been able to even fight.

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01:20:59.119 --> 01:21:02.600
<v Speaker 2>There a lot of them, don't even have charges.

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01:21:04.920 --> 01:21:10.000
<v Speaker 4>Them are no adults actually judicial cults in abury which

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<v Speaker 4>your kids don't understand, and they're being held Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyway, in the context of that, well no, I mean

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01:21:18.840 --> 01:21:23.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm not surprised because the context of our conversation was

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01:21:23.479 --> 01:21:26.319
<v Speaker 2>about Jasmine Crockett, who was a black woman who was

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01:21:26.399 --> 01:21:31.079
<v Speaker 2>running for senator. And you know, there's now a lot

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01:21:31.119 --> 01:21:35.159
<v Speaker 2>of hullabulu and hubbub about her being progressive and her

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01:21:35.279 --> 01:21:37.720
<v Speaker 2>being you know, the next wave and she's going to

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01:21:37.760 --> 01:21:41.800
<v Speaker 2>save the Democratic Party and me and Sabby Sabs landing

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01:21:41.880 --> 01:21:44.239
<v Speaker 2>that plane at No. No, this is not a progressive

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01:21:44.279 --> 01:21:47.199
<v Speaker 2>This is someone who has staunchly supported Israel. I mean

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01:21:47.680 --> 01:21:51.680
<v Speaker 2>it's not hard to discern this. You know, people are like,

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01:21:51.720 --> 01:21:56.760
<v Speaker 2>where's the evidence, where's the evidence? And the evidence? I mean,

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01:21:57.159 --> 01:21:59.279
<v Speaker 2>I can show you as basic as this.

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<v Speaker 16>When Governor Wall started out tonight by repeating this refrain

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01:22:05.399 --> 01:22:08.479
<v Speaker 16>that Israel has a right to defend itself, Israel has

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01:22:08.520 --> 01:22:13.439
<v Speaker 16>just invaded Lebanon. Israel is now intimating that it could

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01:22:13.640 --> 01:22:18.960
<v Speaker 16>attack Iran. So shouldn't we be looking for a little

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01:22:19.039 --> 01:22:21.800
<v Speaker 16>more than just these platitudes about Israel having a right

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01:22:21.880 --> 01:22:25.079
<v Speaker 16>to defend itself. What is the limiting principle, especially when

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01:22:25.119 --> 01:22:27.399
<v Speaker 16>the US the one providing the armaments for Israel to

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01:22:27.439 --> 01:22:30.600
<v Speaker 16>wage these military campaigns. As you know, having voted for

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<v Speaker 16>the National Security Supplemental back in April, which underwrote Israel's war.

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01:22:34.840 --> 01:22:36.640
<v Speaker 2>Effort, I absolutely did vote for it.

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01:22:36.680 --> 01:22:39.399
<v Speaker 17>I voted for that along with every other supplemental that

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01:22:39.479 --> 01:22:42.560
<v Speaker 17>was available. And I will tell you this, it is

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01:22:42.640 --> 01:22:45.239
<v Speaker 17>important that people understand what diplomacy looks like, and it

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01:22:45.239 --> 01:22:47.800
<v Speaker 17>looks like the fact that this relationship between Israel and

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01:22:47.840 --> 01:22:51.560
<v Speaker 17>the United States has existed since before I was born.

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<v Speaker 17>And guess what, this relationship will continue on in perpetuity

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01:22:55.479 --> 01:23:00.119
<v Speaker 17>even after I'm gone.

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how many Nigerians you know, but I'm

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01:23:05.000 --> 01:23:08.560
<v Speaker 4>a Nigeriane man, so sometimes I may switch to pigeon

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01:23:09.079 --> 01:23:15.079
<v Speaker 4>when I have when I can't sound like British. Because

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01:23:15.119 --> 01:23:23.159
<v Speaker 4>this is this is madness. Yesh came Jeffries Cory Booker,

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01:23:23.239 --> 01:23:26.079
<v Speaker 4>and I need you to help me, as an African American,

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01:23:26.159 --> 01:23:31.159
<v Speaker 4>to explain to me how these well educated, seemingly well traveled,

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01:23:31.880 --> 01:23:37.319
<v Speaker 4>supposedly politically astute, black African American men and women that

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01:23:37.399 --> 01:23:40.600
<v Speaker 4>have chosen a life of service have got to a

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01:23:40.640 --> 01:23:44.600
<v Speaker 4>place where I'm looking at Corey Booker walking down corridors

1319
01:23:45.239 --> 01:23:49.079
<v Speaker 4>or dancing with you know, genocidal maniacs, Like how does

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01:23:49.119 --> 01:23:50.039
<v Speaker 4>it get to that place?

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01:23:51.279 --> 01:23:57.159
<v Speaker 2>So the first step is in knowing that the United

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01:23:57.239 --> 01:24:03.840
<v Speaker 2>States does not actually have politics as a public service.

1323
01:24:03.920 --> 01:24:07.239
<v Speaker 2>They're not actually in service to the people. They're in

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01:24:07.319 --> 01:24:13.159
<v Speaker 2>service to lobbyists. They're in service to packs and to donors.

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01:24:13.399 --> 01:24:16.000
<v Speaker 2>So when you say they have entered a life of service,

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01:24:16.359 --> 01:24:19.039
<v Speaker 2>the life of service they've entered is to those who

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01:24:19.079 --> 01:24:21.439
<v Speaker 2>are going to give them money, and they serve them

1328
01:24:21.960 --> 01:24:27.000
<v Speaker 2>by passing and supporting legislation or standing in the way

1329
01:24:27.000 --> 01:24:31.800
<v Speaker 2>of legislation that prevents those corporate interests from being able

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01:24:31.840 --> 01:24:34.520
<v Speaker 2>to advance. And they know this. You know, there's the

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01:24:34.600 --> 01:24:37.239
<v Speaker 2>reason why you have so many lawyers that go into

1332
01:24:37.239 --> 01:24:39.560
<v Speaker 2>these fields. Right, There's a reason why you have so

1333
01:24:39.680 --> 01:24:43.920
<v Speaker 2>many entrepreneurs go into these fields. It's because they already

1334
01:24:44.079 --> 01:24:47.439
<v Speaker 2>know the one too of what's going on. So when

1335
01:24:47.479 --> 01:24:50.359
<v Speaker 2>you see this in black people, you also understand that

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01:24:50.399 --> 01:24:53.439
<v Speaker 2>we do live in a capitalist country and at the

1337
01:24:53.560 --> 01:24:55.680
<v Speaker 2>end of the day, there has been a constant push

1338
01:24:55.720 --> 01:24:59.439
<v Speaker 2>of this idea of generational wealth, and black people need

1339
01:24:59.479 --> 01:25:02.640
<v Speaker 2>to get our o economics together. However, it's not done

1340
01:25:02.760 --> 01:25:06.520
<v Speaker 2>under the auspices of socialism and supporting communities. It's done

1341
01:25:06.640 --> 01:25:12.680
<v Speaker 2>under the auspices of individual accomplishment. Right, Like Jasmine Sullivan was,

1342
01:25:12.800 --> 01:25:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Jasmin Crockett was already a successful lawyer who made more

1343
01:25:15.920 --> 01:25:19.279
<v Speaker 2>money as a lawyer than she did in Congress if

1344
01:25:19.319 --> 01:25:21.279
<v Speaker 2>she was not going to take any corporate money. So

1345
01:25:21.279 --> 01:25:23.319
<v Speaker 2>it's not like she was struggling, right, It's not like

1346
01:25:23.399 --> 01:25:29.239
<v Speaker 2>she was saying, you know, I'm going to find my

1347
01:25:29.319 --> 01:25:34.239
<v Speaker 2>purpose in this path. However, what frustrates me is that

1348
01:25:34.960 --> 01:25:38.199
<v Speaker 2>I think a lot of people inherently think that black

1349
01:25:38.239 --> 01:25:41.840
<v Speaker 2>people have a higher moral.

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01:25:41.680 --> 01:25:45.479
<v Speaker 4>Quotient, Yeah, because of the historical.

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01:25:46.079 --> 01:25:51.039
<v Speaker 2>Because exactly, and that same thing is why Israeli Zionis

1352
01:25:51.039 --> 01:25:54.479
<v Speaker 2>are getting away with what they're doing, because they effectively

1353
01:25:54.560 --> 01:25:59.960
<v Speaker 2>peddled this idea of a moral a higher moral ground

1354
01:26:00.159 --> 01:26:05.079
<v Speaker 2>because of having a higher pain, right, higher harm, higher

1355
01:26:05.119 --> 01:26:07.520
<v Speaker 2>moral ground. And so that's where you get the whole like,

1356
01:26:07.600 --> 01:26:10.199
<v Speaker 2>we get to harm people because we were harmed. We

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01:26:10.319 --> 01:26:13.279
<v Speaker 2>have the moral army because we didn't have an army

1358
01:26:13.319 --> 01:26:16.840
<v Speaker 2>to protect us, which was literally just pr right. Because

1359
01:26:16.840 --> 01:26:21.359
<v Speaker 2>the Zionists were actually in cahoots with Nazis like Zionists

1360
01:26:21.479 --> 01:26:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Jews said Okay, we'll work with you Nazis, versus other

1361
01:26:25.720 --> 01:26:28.359
<v Speaker 2>Jews who were like, no, no, we don't work with

1362
01:26:28.439 --> 01:26:30.720
<v Speaker 2>the people who are trying to kill us. Like I

1363
01:26:30.760 --> 01:26:35.840
<v Speaker 2>think people have really just come to kerfuffle everything together

1364
01:26:36.079 --> 01:26:38.439
<v Speaker 2>in the same way that they have now with black

1365
01:26:38.439 --> 01:26:41.640
<v Speaker 2>people in America. And I am a black person who

1366
01:26:41.960 --> 01:26:45.880
<v Speaker 2>lives on a value system that is not capitalists, hence

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01:26:45.920 --> 01:26:49.399
<v Speaker 2>being a radical black intellectual. And we are not the

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01:26:49.399 --> 01:26:52.039
<v Speaker 2>same just because we are black, like the saying goes

1369
01:26:52.079 --> 01:26:56.279
<v Speaker 2>all skin folk and kinfolk, and we keep using identity

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01:26:56.319 --> 01:26:59.920
<v Speaker 2>politics in this country to put black people in power

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01:27:00.079 --> 01:27:05.359
<v Speaker 2>or that do not support black liberation.

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<v Speaker 4>So how do you how do you connect? I think

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01:27:08.800 --> 01:27:11.600
<v Speaker 4>you kind of connected. Another interesting thing is which is

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01:27:11.640 --> 01:27:15.479
<v Speaker 4>how the far right, and I mean the real far

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01:27:15.600 --> 01:27:22.880
<v Speaker 4>right has seemingly gone into bed with the Zionist entity.

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01:27:23.199 --> 01:27:26.920
<v Speaker 4>And what I mean by that. When Elon Musk did

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01:27:27.000 --> 01:27:32.039
<v Speaker 4>the what do they call it, they hate the you know,

1378
01:27:32.439 --> 01:27:36.600
<v Speaker 4>the hand, the Hitler hand thing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,

1379
01:27:37.079 --> 01:27:39.520
<v Speaker 4>and then the yeah and the the a d L

1380
01:27:41.199 --> 01:27:43.960
<v Speaker 4>defended him said he was you know that we should

1381
01:27:44.079 --> 01:27:47.880
<v Speaker 4>move on. We've just had something in England where a

1382
01:27:47.920 --> 01:27:49.600
<v Speaker 4>guy called Magel far Arche. I don't know, if you know,

1383
01:27:49.760 --> 01:27:54.000
<v Speaker 4>you probably know who he is. He's ahead of he

1384
01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:57.520
<v Speaker 4>is openly racist, openly anti Semitic, head of the Reform

1385
01:27:57.800 --> 01:28:00.199
<v Speaker 4>Party in the UK, and a lot of the people

1386
01:28:00.239 --> 01:28:02.479
<v Speaker 4>that went to school with him, who are actually Jewish

1387
01:28:02.560 --> 01:28:05.079
<v Speaker 4>have come out saying he is an anti He's been

1388
01:28:05.079 --> 01:28:08.560
<v Speaker 4>saying things like Hitler was right, you know, reminding, reminding

1389
01:28:08.680 --> 01:28:14.520
<v Speaker 4>people of Candice owns pre her rebrand, and it's it's

1390
01:28:14.560 --> 01:28:18.319
<v Speaker 4>it's very very interesting because the Jewish Chronicle, the Jewish Chronicle,

1391
01:28:18.359 --> 01:28:20.800
<v Speaker 4>big paper in the UK, did an article saying that

1392
01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:23.319
<v Speaker 4>we should forget about all the anti Semitic things he

1393
01:28:23.359 --> 01:28:28.920
<v Speaker 4>said in the past, and I was like, what it's

1394
01:28:29.199 --> 01:28:34.000
<v Speaker 4>it's it's really really we get the light on. Hold. Yeah,

1395
01:28:34.079 --> 01:28:40.279
<v Speaker 4>it's really really confusing for me to see how, you know,

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01:28:40.439 --> 01:28:43.319
<v Speaker 4>organizations and all newspapers that are supposed to be defending

1397
01:28:43.800 --> 01:28:49.079
<v Speaker 4>actual Jews are writing articles that are defending they're not.

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01:28:49.760 --> 01:28:51.720
<v Speaker 2>Because this is the thing the same way that I

1399
01:28:51.840 --> 01:28:55.119
<v Speaker 2>was saying, like there has been a confluence, like a

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01:28:55.159 --> 01:28:58.000
<v Speaker 2>false equivalence created amongst all black people. There's been a

1401
01:28:58.000 --> 01:29:01.479
<v Speaker 2>false equivalence. He created amongst Jewish people. Right, there's Jewish,

1402
01:29:01.520 --> 01:29:04.560
<v Speaker 2>there's Judaism as a faith, and if you follow Judaism

1403
01:29:04.560 --> 01:29:10.199
<v Speaker 2>as a faith, then you don't. It's the same with Christianity.

1404
01:29:10.359 --> 01:29:13.079
<v Speaker 2>There's Christianity as a faith, and then there's people who

1405
01:29:13.119 --> 01:29:16.079
<v Speaker 2>are claiming Christianity but they're not following the faith of

1406
01:29:16.119 --> 01:29:18.399
<v Speaker 2>it at all. In the same with everything. There's the

1407
01:29:18.439 --> 01:29:21.600
<v Speaker 2>same thing with with Islam. Right. So you have all

1408
01:29:21.640 --> 01:29:24.000
<v Speaker 2>of these folks and they like to call it extremists,

1409
01:29:24.479 --> 01:29:28.039
<v Speaker 2>when I think that's a false nomenclature because they're not.

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01:29:28.680 --> 01:29:32.600
<v Speaker 2>To me. If I'm an extreme Christian, I'm extremely giving,

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01:29:33.239 --> 01:29:39.199
<v Speaker 2>I'm extremely non judgmental, I'm extremely supportive. Right, If I'm

1412
01:29:39.239 --> 01:29:43.039
<v Speaker 2>an extremist, it is because I am so committed to

1413
01:29:43.079 --> 01:29:49.760
<v Speaker 2>the faith that I am deeply rigid and in my

1414
01:29:49.880 --> 01:29:52.960
<v Speaker 2>morals and my ethics and my principles. These are not extremists.

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01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:56.520
<v Speaker 2>These are liars, These are These are people who simply

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01:29:56.560 --> 01:30:02.079
<v Speaker 2>just use these these spiritual tool RULs to weaponize against

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01:30:02.520 --> 01:30:10.479
<v Speaker 2>humans because of our capacity to be moved, and you

1418
01:30:10.560 --> 01:30:13.600
<v Speaker 2>are there divergent, so you have less of a capacity

1419
01:30:14.479 --> 01:30:16.920
<v Speaker 2>to be flipped and spun. It's just what it means

1420
01:30:17.000 --> 01:30:18.840
<v Speaker 2>are wiring is not direct.

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01:30:19.000 --> 01:30:22.399
<v Speaker 4>You must I'm believing that you also.

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01:30:22.119 --> 01:30:24.479
<v Speaker 2>Are absolutely artistic.

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01:30:24.560 --> 01:30:28.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that we're a funny lot

1424
01:30:28.119 --> 01:30:31.319
<v Speaker 4>because I think the marriage of trauma, like real childhood trauma,

1425
01:30:31.359 --> 01:30:34.680
<v Speaker 4>which I know you had, and then being on this

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01:30:34.680 --> 01:30:40.039
<v Speaker 4>this spectrum is a really really interesting cocktail because you know,

1427
01:30:40.640 --> 01:30:46.119
<v Speaker 4>you're such a monol what you're unique in the conversation

1428
01:30:46.199 --> 01:30:49.199
<v Speaker 4>of American culture. And my sister who is your friend,

1429
01:30:49.239 --> 01:30:52.119
<v Speaker 4>I believe Brianna Joy Gray and a few others are

1430
01:30:53.359 --> 01:30:55.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, I mean they don't play as well, and

1431
01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:56.960
<v Speaker 4>it's just really really interesting, but they're like three of you,

1432
01:30:58.079 --> 01:31:01.960
<v Speaker 4>just like Leny, where are the rest?

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01:31:02.239 --> 01:31:05.680
<v Speaker 2>The truth is is that there are more. It's just

1434
01:31:05.800 --> 01:31:10.359
<v Speaker 2>that we have been so ostracized and shunned by our

1435
01:31:11.760 --> 01:31:15.079
<v Speaker 2>cot by our fellow black folks, that many people then

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01:31:15.520 --> 01:31:19.359
<v Speaker 2>you know, they don't have the support system to really

1437
01:31:19.439 --> 01:31:22.119
<v Speaker 2>manage it right. And I was very very fortunate that

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01:31:22.159 --> 01:31:25.640
<v Speaker 2>when I was ostracized from the black community for just

1439
01:31:25.800 --> 01:31:28.479
<v Speaker 2>being myself, I was very fortunate that I had a

1440
01:31:28.479 --> 01:31:32.760
<v Speaker 2>psychiatrist that really helped me to move through that, and

1441
01:31:32.800 --> 01:31:36.640
<v Speaker 2>I also had the right people around me. It wasn't

1442
01:31:36.640 --> 01:31:40.680
<v Speaker 2>about amount, it was about quality, you know, the right

1443
01:31:40.720 --> 01:31:43.600
<v Speaker 2>people around me to catch me and give me a

1444
01:31:43.640 --> 01:31:48.760
<v Speaker 2>soft landing into a path forward that commits to this,

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01:31:48.920 --> 01:31:51.840
<v Speaker 2>regardless of the ostracizing right, and then you start to

1446
01:31:51.920 --> 01:31:55.000
<v Speaker 2>understand that, oh, I'm not alone in this, and so

1447
01:31:55.079 --> 01:31:57.760
<v Speaker 2>now I need to create spaces for others to not

1448
01:31:57.800 --> 01:31:59.079
<v Speaker 2>feel alone in this. And that's what we do here

1449
01:31:59.119 --> 01:32:01.039
<v Speaker 2>at Use for Amandolin, and that's what I do on

1450
01:32:01.079 --> 01:32:04.039
<v Speaker 2>my Patreon. I so often find people saying I'm here

1451
01:32:04.159 --> 01:32:07.000
<v Speaker 2>because I don't have anyone in my immediate circle that

1452
01:32:07.119 --> 01:32:10.119
<v Speaker 2>I can talk to about these things, and I feel crazy.

1453
01:32:10.199 --> 01:32:14.279
<v Speaker 2>And then I come here and I feel sane because

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01:32:14.319 --> 01:32:16.479
<v Speaker 2>I know that I'm not bugging. And that's why you

1455
01:32:16.479 --> 01:32:18.520
<v Speaker 2>know they've said forever it's only about five percent. I

1456
01:32:18.560 --> 01:32:22.520
<v Speaker 2>love this neuro defiant. I love that I'm making a

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01:32:22.560 --> 01:32:25.960
<v Speaker 2>T shirt that says that. But it's really true that

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01:32:26.039 --> 01:32:31.960
<v Speaker 2>there is a necessity to uplift these voices. And that's

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01:32:32.039 --> 01:32:43.479
<v Speaker 2>why I originally got connected to you through your film.

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01:32:43.880 --> 01:32:48.079
<v Speaker 2>I need to I haven't seen anything. Hold on, hold on,

1461
01:32:48.119 --> 01:32:49.720
<v Speaker 2>hold on, hold on, IM messing up, a messing up.

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01:32:50.239 --> 01:32:51.600
<v Speaker 2>I want to put yours.

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01:32:51.319 --> 01:32:57.560
<v Speaker 18>On bad witness. If you travel the world with this thing.

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01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:05.279
<v Speaker 18>I'm just bad witness.

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01:33:04.239 --> 01:33:08.119
<v Speaker 19>People celebt images, but my passions is observing the human

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01:33:08.159 --> 01:33:11.399
<v Speaker 19>condition and making arts that has purpose.

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01:33:11.840 --> 01:33:15.640
<v Speaker 4>Miss An Harriman's work captures protests like no other. The

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01:33:15.760 --> 01:33:17.479
<v Speaker 4>images help people see.

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01:33:19.279 --> 01:33:21.399
<v Speaker 8>They're not alone and being frustrated.

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01:33:22.399 --> 01:33:25.119
<v Speaker 4>I do wonder about the difference I'm actually making. What

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01:33:25.159 --> 01:33:29.359
<v Speaker 4>do protest movements truly achieve? If people are still demanding

1472
01:33:29.399 --> 01:33:30.560
<v Speaker 4>the same human rights?

1473
01:33:30.800 --> 01:33:31.680
<v Speaker 2>How the people?

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01:33:34.039 --> 01:33:37.399
<v Speaker 8>What you're doing is to give one the opportunity to

1475
01:33:37.439 --> 01:33:41.760
<v Speaker 8>be able to see the images will be here forever.

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01:33:43.880 --> 01:33:46.840
<v Speaker 4>As a young boy, the images of apartheid South Africa

1477
01:33:47.039 --> 01:33:49.079
<v Speaker 4>shook me to my core, and then I went on

1478
01:33:49.119 --> 01:33:52.720
<v Speaker 4>a journey of understanding what it all meant. We got

1479
01:33:52.720 --> 01:33:55.399
<v Speaker 4>to tell the truth racial profile still exists.

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01:33:55.520 --> 01:33:57.479
<v Speaker 2>What do you want?

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01:33:57.600 --> 01:33:59.239
<v Speaker 4>It's going to be the biggest protests ever.

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01:34:00.920 --> 01:34:06.399
<v Speaker 19>Oh, this is part of the journey. People have a

1483
01:34:06.439 --> 01:34:11.119
<v Speaker 19>goodness in them that needs to be fed like a plant.

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01:34:15.039 --> 01:34:18.319
<v Speaker 4>This is the work. This is the bearing witness.

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01:34:30.760 --> 01:34:37.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is the work the bearing witness. I

1486
01:34:37.119 --> 01:34:39.000
<v Speaker 2>can't help but try a British accent when I'm talking

1487
01:34:39.000 --> 01:34:41.079
<v Speaker 2>to someone with the British accents, so I'm not mocking you.

1488
01:34:41.159 --> 01:34:42.039
<v Speaker 2>I'm really just.

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01:34:44.560 --> 01:34:44.960
<v Speaker 4>Join you.

1490
01:34:46.199 --> 01:34:49.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm working. I'm working on it, but it's so tell

1491
01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:53.359
<v Speaker 2>me about tell me about the film, and and to me,

1492
01:34:53.439 --> 01:34:55.520
<v Speaker 2>it goes directly along with what we've been talking about.

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01:34:55.600 --> 01:34:58.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And I remember, you know, I

1494
01:34:58.199 --> 01:35:00.840
<v Speaker 4>made a film before this and got nominated for an

1495
01:35:00.880 --> 01:35:03.720
<v Speaker 4>Oscar and there was a lot of heat around me,

1496
01:35:04.279 --> 01:35:08.159
<v Speaker 4>and I was like, with this heat, I'm just gonna

1497
01:35:08.439 --> 01:35:12.119
<v Speaker 4>see if I can get them to let me do

1498
01:35:12.199 --> 01:35:13.920
<v Speaker 4>what I want to do. And I could see the

1499
01:35:13.920 --> 01:35:15.560
<v Speaker 4>world getting more and more crazy, and I was like,

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01:35:15.560 --> 01:35:18.239
<v Speaker 4>why don't we do a feature lengths dock on what

1501
01:35:18.359 --> 01:35:22.600
<v Speaker 4>it means to be an artist that refuses to look

1502
01:35:22.640 --> 01:35:26.680
<v Speaker 4>away when it pays to be apathetic through the lens

1503
01:35:26.680 --> 01:35:31.560
<v Speaker 4>of protest. And I think whilst making it, everything just

1504
01:35:31.640 --> 01:35:34.199
<v Speaker 4>kept getting crazier. And I was just like, you can't

1505
01:35:34.199 --> 01:35:38.840
<v Speaker 4>ignore Palestine. You cannot make a protest film and focus

1506
01:35:38.880 --> 01:35:43.159
<v Speaker 4>on queer, trans climate, women, black lives and just pretend

1507
01:35:43.960 --> 01:35:48.159
<v Speaker 4>that Palestine isn't happening, which is what the industry was

1508
01:35:48.239 --> 01:35:51.039
<v Speaker 4>strongly suggesting to me and my team, and we're like, no,

1509
01:35:51.880 --> 01:35:57.399
<v Speaker 4>you know. And there's a great page on instaign called Pomegranates,

1510
01:35:57.399 --> 01:36:00.199
<v Speaker 4>and she she has a great analogy. She said that

1511
01:36:01.600 --> 01:36:03.920
<v Speaker 4>Gaza is I don't know if you are a Star

1512
01:36:03.960 --> 01:36:06.680
<v Speaker 4>Wars person, but she said it's a wait wait wait.

1513
01:36:06.520 --> 01:36:08.239
<v Speaker 2>Wait wait wait wait, you don't know if I'm a

1514
01:36:08.279 --> 01:36:09.279
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars person.

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01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:18.239
<v Speaker 6>Okay, Well, she said that that the Gaza is the

1516
01:36:18.399 --> 01:36:22.640
<v Speaker 6>single shot through the exhaust valve of the death Sta

1517
01:36:23.279 --> 01:36:24.039
<v Speaker 6>that brings.

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01:36:23.760 --> 01:36:26.920
<v Speaker 4>Down the whole empire. I believe it too, you know,

1519
01:36:27.279 --> 01:36:28.800
<v Speaker 4>and I love it so much because I think what

1520
01:36:29.119 --> 01:36:31.880
<v Speaker 4>this what this film is is, it's this film isn't

1521
01:36:31.920 --> 01:36:34.039
<v Speaker 4>really for you and me. This film is for the

1522
01:36:34.159 --> 01:36:39.479
<v Speaker 4>dads and mums in Ohio that don't know what occupation means.

1523
01:36:39.880 --> 01:36:44.239
<v Speaker 4>They don't know about the Peal Commission in thirty six.

1524
01:36:44.520 --> 01:36:48.600
<v Speaker 4>They don't know about church Hill's Dog in the Manger quote,

1525
01:36:48.600 --> 01:36:52.319
<v Speaker 4>which is just pure white supremacy before the existence of Israel.

1526
01:36:52.640 --> 01:36:57.960
<v Speaker 4>And then they see me with George Floyd's people in Minnesota,

1527
01:36:58.319 --> 01:37:03.720
<v Speaker 4>and then they start cannecting that with the violent war

1528
01:37:03.760 --> 01:37:09.399
<v Speaker 4>for profit, white patriarchal, extractive capitalist machine that allows black

1529
01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:12.439
<v Speaker 4>men to lie in their own piss whilst begging for

1530
01:37:12.479 --> 01:37:15.760
<v Speaker 4>their mamma as they late leave this mortal coil. And

1531
01:37:15.800 --> 01:37:19.279
<v Speaker 4>then I take them from there to Johannesburg, and I

1532
01:37:19.359 --> 01:37:22.119
<v Speaker 4>take them to the University of Johannesburg that used to

1533
01:37:22.119 --> 01:37:25.640
<v Speaker 4>be an all white university, and within our lifetime that

1534
01:37:25.800 --> 01:37:29.439
<v Speaker 4>university looks like you and me now right. And there's

1535
01:37:29.439 --> 01:37:34.159
<v Speaker 4>a scene in Johannesburg with a professor talking about Palestine.

1536
01:37:34.199 --> 01:37:37.159
<v Speaker 4>It's sat African man being strong man, talking about the

1537
01:37:37.399 --> 01:37:40.399
<v Speaker 4>history and the connection. And I think for a lot

1538
01:37:40.439 --> 01:37:43.920
<v Speaker 4>of Americans, this film is accessible because it's got all

1539
01:37:43.920 --> 01:37:46.600
<v Speaker 4>the shiny things with me and the oscars and everything else,

1540
01:37:46.600 --> 01:37:50.359
<v Speaker 4>but it always takes them back to help them understand

1541
01:37:50.720 --> 01:37:54.600
<v Speaker 4>that we have to decolonize our minds and protest matters,

1542
01:37:54.680 --> 01:37:57.479
<v Speaker 4>not just because of getting arrested and getting on the news,

1543
01:37:57.840 --> 01:38:02.199
<v Speaker 4>because you build community, and within community lies the ability

1544
01:38:02.239 --> 01:38:05.199
<v Speaker 4>to unlearn. Because one of the most dangerous things I've

1545
01:38:05.199 --> 01:38:09.199
<v Speaker 4>seen is a combination of confirmation bias and arrested development.

1546
01:38:09.760 --> 01:38:11.760
<v Speaker 4>Just hanging out with the same people the holiday in

1547
01:38:11.800 --> 01:38:13.960
<v Speaker 4>the same place and listen to the same music that

1548
01:38:14.399 --> 01:38:17.399
<v Speaker 4>you know, love jay Z, Beyonce Taylor, whoever. And they

1549
01:38:17.479 --> 01:38:23.000
<v Speaker 4>literally are in a bubble of extractive capitalist status quoism.

1550
01:38:23.680 --> 01:38:29.760
<v Speaker 4>And my film is too gently but hold your hand

1551
01:38:29.760 --> 01:38:32.319
<v Speaker 4>and pull you out of that room, you know, for

1552
01:38:32.399 --> 01:38:37.520
<v Speaker 4>you to look outside and realize that your reality is

1553
01:38:37.680 --> 01:38:42.000
<v Speaker 4>not built on anything outside of the blood and broken

1554
01:38:42.039 --> 01:38:47.399
<v Speaker 4>bones of brown and black. Usually at this point, if

1555
01:38:47.399 --> 01:38:51.800
<v Speaker 4>you're looking at your iPhones and your Tesla cars kids

1556
01:38:52.359 --> 01:38:56.079
<v Speaker 4>right because you look at Congo, you look at the

1557
01:38:56.159 --> 01:38:58.039
<v Speaker 4>you know, the new phones every September.

1558
01:38:58.479 --> 01:39:02.000
<v Speaker 20>You look at the the the fact that many of

1559
01:39:02.039 --> 01:39:04.319
<v Speaker 20>us don't realize that a lot of the things we're

1560
01:39:04.319 --> 01:39:05.960
<v Speaker 20>told to buy that we don't need, we don't even

1561
01:39:06.079 --> 01:39:08.239
<v Speaker 20>we're Christmas now, for God's sake, how many of us

1562
01:39:08.319 --> 01:39:10.520
<v Speaker 20>are still buying shopping.

1563
01:39:11.039 --> 01:39:13.399
<v Speaker 2>I canceled Christmas, which.

1564
01:39:13.159 --> 01:39:16.560
<v Speaker 4>Is investing can and Jerusalem, whereas.

1565
01:39:16.199 --> 01:39:18.720
<v Speaker 2>It right in Parisi.

1566
01:39:20.319 --> 01:39:23.359
<v Speaker 4>So it's a film about my life that helps you

1567
01:39:23.359 --> 01:39:27.119
<v Speaker 4>go on a journey of on learning and decolonizing yourself

1568
01:39:27.159 --> 01:39:30.960
<v Speaker 4>through my images. Listen Edward arningfil changed my life. When

1569
01:39:31.000 --> 01:39:32.800
<v Speaker 4>I became the first black man to shoot the cover

1570
01:39:32.880 --> 01:39:36.640
<v Speaker 4>of Vergue in twenty twenty, I could have just stayed

1571
01:39:36.680 --> 01:39:39.760
<v Speaker 4>on that lane and done pretty well for myself taking

1572
01:39:39.800 --> 01:39:45.399
<v Speaker 4>pictures of famous folk. I'm very proud of the humans

1573
01:39:45.399 --> 01:39:47.479
<v Speaker 4>that I've shot. I'm very proud of how I shoot

1574
01:39:47.800 --> 01:39:49.760
<v Speaker 4>black people, in particular, because I have a lot of

1575
01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:55.119
<v Speaker 4>issues with the gaze of our people when they make

1576
01:39:55.199 --> 01:39:56.159
<v Speaker 4>us comple.

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01:39:56.439 --> 01:39:59.000
<v Speaker 2>I thought you were saying the gays like gays, and

1578
01:39:59.039 --> 01:40:00.600
<v Speaker 2>I was like, what a gay You have a problem

1579
01:40:00.600 --> 01:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>with them?

1580
01:40:02.840 --> 01:40:07.840
<v Speaker 4>No, they haven't hurt anyone, you know, I'm talking more

1581
01:40:08.479 --> 01:40:09.159
<v Speaker 4>about the game.

1582
01:40:09.279 --> 01:40:12.439
<v Speaker 2>Yes, I mean that was uninsecure, and that was like

1583
01:40:12.439 --> 01:40:15.920
<v Speaker 2>a really big issue with not issue, but that was

1584
01:40:15.920 --> 01:40:20.159
<v Speaker 2>a really big focus was like shooting black people properly,

1585
01:40:20.640 --> 01:40:25.600
<v Speaker 2>you know, and us being able to, like you said,

1586
01:40:25.680 --> 01:40:26.359
<v Speaker 2>not be purple.

1587
01:40:27.079 --> 01:40:28.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. And you know, if you look at most of

1588
01:40:29.039 --> 01:40:32.960
<v Speaker 4>the biggest this is American verge I'm talking about, they

1589
01:40:33.000 --> 01:40:36.680
<v Speaker 4>still in general use Annie Lebowitz, and I'm always confused

1590
01:40:36.680 --> 01:40:39.920
<v Speaker 4>by that because there are plenty of black men and women,

1591
01:40:40.279 --> 01:40:43.039
<v Speaker 4>even in New York State. They can take a picture

1592
01:40:43.520 --> 01:40:46.840
<v Speaker 4>and I'm like, if you're going to shoot, you name it.

1593
01:40:47.359 --> 01:40:51.039
<v Speaker 4>You know. Most of the black covers sometimes I use

1594
01:40:51.079 --> 01:40:53.199
<v Speaker 4>Tyler Mitchell, which is great. He was the first black

1595
01:40:53.680 --> 01:40:56.359
<v Speaker 4>man to shoot the cover. He did Beyonce in twenty eighteen.

1596
01:40:56.640 --> 01:40:59.359
<v Speaker 4>But in general it's usually Annie, and I'm.

1597
01:40:59.159 --> 01:41:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Like, yeah, but don't make demands. That's also part of

1598
01:41:02.239 --> 01:41:05.000
<v Speaker 2>the problem too, you know, we act as if we

1599
01:41:05.000 --> 01:41:08.479
<v Speaker 2>don't have agency. Right, I mean, and they don't want

1600
01:41:08.479 --> 01:41:10.079
<v Speaker 2>to lose an opportunity, so they're not going to make

1601
01:41:10.119 --> 01:41:13.119
<v Speaker 2>any changes. They're not going to make any challenges. And

1602
01:41:13.800 --> 01:41:17.039
<v Speaker 2>that's why people don't align me, because I'm going to

1603
01:41:17.079 --> 01:41:20.840
<v Speaker 2>be like no, or I'll do it if Like when

1604
01:41:20.880 --> 01:41:23.960
<v Speaker 2>I did Essence, I did a shoot for Essence in Grenada,

1605
01:41:24.680 --> 01:41:27.479
<v Speaker 2>and they wanted me to do my shoot at this

1606
01:41:27.560 --> 01:41:31.359
<v Speaker 2>hotel in Grenada that was built by an Egyptian man

1607
01:41:31.560 --> 01:41:34.640
<v Speaker 2>who does not live in Grenada, and he was able

1608
01:41:34.680 --> 01:41:37.800
<v Speaker 2>to get citizenship by doing so. He built a wall

1609
01:41:38.279 --> 01:41:41.439
<v Speaker 2>that impeded a view that Grenadians in that part of

1610
01:41:41.439 --> 01:41:45.359
<v Speaker 2>the island had of the sea for how many decades?

1611
01:41:45.840 --> 01:41:48.359
<v Speaker 2>And now he come on build a wall. The Grenadians

1612
01:41:48.399 --> 01:41:51.720
<v Speaker 2>came and teared dumb the wall. But then the government said, nah, man,

1613
01:41:51.760 --> 01:41:53.359
<v Speaker 2>the bank paid the money, so he get to build

1614
01:41:53.399 --> 01:41:56.199
<v Speaker 2>the wall, and so he gets to build this wall.

1615
01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:59.159
<v Speaker 2>They had this hotel at the time. I don't know

1616
01:41:59.199 --> 01:42:01.279
<v Speaker 2>if it's changed yet, but at the time, it's not

1617
01:42:01.319 --> 01:42:05.039
<v Speaker 2>like they were using agriculture from the island, you know,

1618
01:42:05.079 --> 01:42:09.199
<v Speaker 2>it's not like they're actively in cohesion and symbiosis with

1619
01:42:09.319 --> 01:42:13.119
<v Speaker 2>the island. So why would I come and do my

1620
01:42:13.239 --> 01:42:19.399
<v Speaker 2>photo shoot for Grenada in this hotel. There are hotels

1621
01:42:19.439 --> 01:42:22.680
<v Speaker 2>on the island that are owned by Grenadians. There are

1622
01:42:22.720 --> 01:42:26.520
<v Speaker 2>also hotels on the island that are staffed that may

1623
01:42:26.520 --> 01:42:28.239
<v Speaker 2>not be owned by a Grenadian, but are owned by

1624
01:42:28.239 --> 01:42:32.399
<v Speaker 2>people who actively pour back into the economy of Grenada.

1625
01:42:32.479 --> 01:42:36.880
<v Speaker 2>So I said, I'm not gonna do it unless I

1626
01:42:36.920 --> 01:42:40.800
<v Speaker 2>can do a shoot that is reflective of the island

1627
01:42:41.399 --> 01:42:45.119
<v Speaker 2>in the way that the people of the island want

1628
01:42:45.560 --> 01:42:48.840
<v Speaker 2>it to be reflected, which is in its ecology. Right.

1629
01:42:49.000 --> 01:42:52.279
<v Speaker 2>It's strength. Its strength is in its ecology and its

1630
01:42:52.279 --> 01:42:55.439
<v Speaker 2>commitment to it, to preservation of culture in ways that

1631
01:42:55.479 --> 01:42:58.399
<v Speaker 2>other islands, unfortunately haven't been able to do because of

1632
01:42:58.439 --> 01:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>the just impact of colonization. But like, I'm only bringing

1633
01:43:02.000 --> 01:43:06.079
<v Speaker 2>this up because they could have said no, and then

1634
01:43:06.119 --> 01:43:06.960
<v Speaker 2>I wouldn't.

1635
01:43:06.600 --> 01:43:09.279
<v Speaker 4>Have Yeah, but not every I mean, look at Simone

1636
01:43:09.279 --> 01:43:12.479
<v Speaker 4>Biles for example, Right, It's like, I don't know when

1637
01:43:12.520 --> 01:43:13.560
<v Speaker 4>she got that big cover.

1638
01:43:14.479 --> 01:43:17.720
<v Speaker 2>You know, you mean the Simone Biles who cheered Wait wait, wait,

1639
01:43:18.359 --> 01:43:21.439
<v Speaker 2>you mean the Simone Biles who cheered of excitement and

1640
01:43:21.479 --> 01:43:24.520
<v Speaker 2>exaltation when there were three black women who were on

1641
01:43:24.840 --> 01:43:27.399
<v Speaker 2>the podium at Worlds You mean that Simone Biles, like,

1642
01:43:27.439 --> 01:43:29.920
<v Speaker 2>I need y'all to stop giving these people passes, like

1643
01:43:29.960 --> 01:43:32.800
<v Speaker 2>they don't know what's up. Simone Biles is a black

1644
01:43:32.840 --> 01:43:35.279
<v Speaker 2>woman in gymnastics, and I will tell you now missing

1645
01:43:36.479 --> 01:43:39.760
<v Speaker 2>we have always been the because I was in gymnastics,

1646
01:43:39.840 --> 01:43:42.600
<v Speaker 2>We're always the one black girl. You're always you mean

1647
01:43:42.640 --> 01:43:44.760
<v Speaker 2>someone Biles who comes from a foster home, whose mother

1648
01:43:45.079 --> 01:43:47.720
<v Speaker 2>could not have her and her whole siblings because she

1649
01:43:47.760 --> 01:43:51.039
<v Speaker 2>was an addict. Simone Biles is acutely aware of race.

1650
01:43:52.319 --> 01:43:54.319
<v Speaker 4>I'm saying that, but I'm saying when she.

1651
01:43:54.840 --> 01:43:59.840
<v Speaker 2>May say, yeah, right, but you, for instance, had people

1652
01:43:59.840 --> 01:44:02.840
<v Speaker 2>to telling you don't do Palestine, but you were like, hmmm,

1653
01:44:04.359 --> 01:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>I can't know.

1654
01:44:04.880 --> 01:44:10.880
<v Speaker 4>It's it's growth, it's growth, right, it's this five years ago.

1655
01:44:11.279 --> 01:44:12.560
<v Speaker 4>You know, I don't think I would have been in

1656
01:44:12.560 --> 01:44:14.680
<v Speaker 4>this place. And I don't think you've always been in

1657
01:44:14.720 --> 01:44:18.159
<v Speaker 4>this place? Have you always been in this? Just like this?

1658
01:44:18.319 --> 01:44:22.119
<v Speaker 2>Wow, I've literally always been like this. You can ask anyone,

1659
01:44:23.039 --> 01:44:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Like in high school, I led a whole movement in

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<v Speaker 2>the theater program when the whites were mad because there

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01:44:29.359 --> 01:44:32.159
<v Speaker 2>were three black leads that were doing the black leads

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01:44:32.159 --> 01:44:34.640
<v Speaker 2>in the shows. Ask anybody and they will tell you

1663
01:44:34.720 --> 01:44:36.840
<v Speaker 2>she's always been like this. But I also came from

1664
01:44:36.880 --> 01:44:42.800
<v Speaker 2>a home that was very like I grew up listening

1665
01:44:42.800 --> 01:44:46.520
<v Speaker 2>to Bob Marley, like that was my lullaby music, you

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01:44:46.520 --> 01:44:49.960
<v Speaker 2>know what I'm saying. So I think that's just I

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01:44:49.960 --> 01:44:52.840
<v Speaker 2>think there's also something real about our DNA, you know,

1668
01:44:52.920 --> 01:44:57.079
<v Speaker 2>And what's what we show up with in our physical

1669
01:44:57.079 --> 01:45:00.039
<v Speaker 2>being and how that gets shaped and what get what?

1670
01:45:00.039 --> 01:45:03.079
<v Speaker 2>What is the catalyst for that turning up? I mean,

1671
01:45:03.079 --> 01:45:05.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm still in touch with my first grade teacher, who

1672
01:45:06.880 --> 01:45:08.359
<v Speaker 2>when we first got back in touch, she was like,

1673
01:45:08.359 --> 01:45:09.520
<v Speaker 2>I have a bone to pick with you. I'm like, oh,

1674
01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:11.039
<v Speaker 2>my first grade teacher, I had a bone tom with me,

1675
01:45:11.359 --> 01:45:14.840
<v Speaker 2>and her bone was she said, in your comedy special,

1676
01:45:15.520 --> 01:45:18.720
<v Speaker 2>you said that you learned the Negro National Anthem in

1677
01:45:18.760 --> 01:45:21.560
<v Speaker 2>tenth grade, but you were singing then the Negro National

1678
01:45:21.560 --> 01:45:23.439
<v Speaker 2>Anthem in first grade. I had you all singing the

1679
01:45:23.520 --> 01:45:26.239
<v Speaker 2>Negro National Anthem in first grade. I had it up

1680
01:45:26.279 --> 01:45:29.000
<v Speaker 2>on the wall because she was like, I didn't want

1681
01:45:29.279 --> 01:45:35.119
<v Speaker 2>black children to be like her. Majority of my school

1682
01:45:35.159 --> 01:45:38.159
<v Speaker 2>was black and Mexican, and she was like, and I

1683
01:45:38.159 --> 01:45:41.479
<v Speaker 2>didn't want y'all not knowing what the real deal is.

1684
01:45:41.600 --> 01:45:43.680
<v Speaker 2>Even if I had to make you say the pledge

1685
01:45:43.680 --> 01:45:46.399
<v Speaker 2>of allegiance. So like, these types of things are instilled

1686
01:45:46.399 --> 01:45:50.039
<v Speaker 2>in you early and you know you either are able

1687
01:45:50.079 --> 01:45:52.399
<v Speaker 2>to carry them forth. But you know, Simone is a

1688
01:45:52.399 --> 01:45:54.520
<v Speaker 2>young she's a young I wouldn't use her as an

1689
01:45:54.520 --> 01:45:56.720
<v Speaker 2>example just because you're right, she's a young person like

1690
01:45:56.760 --> 01:45:57.920
<v Speaker 2>she had at the time.

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01:45:57.800 --> 01:46:00.239
<v Speaker 4>Also a big American vote cover. They would have told

1692
01:46:00.239 --> 01:46:01.880
<v Speaker 4>her it's a huge deal, and she probably would have

1693
01:46:01.920 --> 01:46:05.960
<v Speaker 4>been because it's outside of her world. Yeah, I'm just.

1694
01:46:06.319 --> 01:46:14.119
<v Speaker 2>I just folks had circles around them that we're on

1695
01:46:14.279 --> 01:46:17.840
<v Speaker 2>code and so often we're not because the code is money,

1696
01:46:18.159 --> 01:46:23.039
<v Speaker 2>the code is access, the code is visibility, and I

1697
01:46:23.119 --> 01:46:28.720
<v Speaker 2>sacrificed that because that doesn't have value to me in

1698
01:46:28.760 --> 01:46:33.840
<v Speaker 2>the way that it did when I was like at

1699
01:46:33.840 --> 01:46:36.399
<v Speaker 2>one point, so even if I had been woke forever,

1700
01:46:37.960 --> 01:46:39.520
<v Speaker 2>I still had people around me that were like, you

1701
01:46:39.560 --> 01:46:43.560
<v Speaker 2>should do this, and then I'd have like, yeah, nah,

1702
01:46:43.800 --> 01:46:46.680
<v Speaker 2>But those people were still around me though, you know,

1703
01:46:47.000 --> 01:46:49.960
<v Speaker 2>like because you're supposed to have around you.

1704
01:46:50.640 --> 01:46:54.680
<v Speaker 4>So why have we got from Langston Hughes, from Nina

1705
01:46:54.760 --> 01:47:01.319
<v Speaker 4>Simone to Pharrell thing he doesn't well, you know what

1706
01:47:01.359 --> 01:47:03.520
<v Speaker 4>he said, why have we got in the seventies.

1707
01:47:04.079 --> 01:47:06.279
<v Speaker 2>In the seventies we had the Black Power movement, but

1708
01:47:06.319 --> 01:47:12.600
<v Speaker 2>then we also had simultaneously the Southern Strategy and Nixon

1709
01:47:12.920 --> 01:47:15.640
<v Speaker 2>saying what we're going to do is we are going

1710
01:47:15.720 --> 01:47:19.079
<v Speaker 2>to bring black people into capitalism, and instead of us

1711
01:47:19.119 --> 01:47:22.760
<v Speaker 2>actually shifting the systemic racism that takes place, we are

1712
01:47:22.800 --> 01:47:27.199
<v Speaker 2>going to sidle them but surreptitiously treat it as a

1713
01:47:27.319 --> 01:47:33.199
<v Speaker 2>goal that they can achieve economic freedom and that they

1714
01:47:33.199 --> 01:47:35.239
<v Speaker 2>are now able to do so. And so that's what

1715
01:47:35.319 --> 01:47:38.319
<v Speaker 2>it became. And then you put drugs in a community,

1716
01:47:38.359 --> 01:47:44.720
<v Speaker 2>and you give people the ability to capitalize at the

1717
01:47:44.760 --> 01:47:49.520
<v Speaker 2>same time as they're killing their own community, and you

1718
01:47:49.600 --> 01:47:56.239
<v Speaker 2>give these same people who you continuously you are continuously

1719
01:47:56.279 --> 01:47:58.560
<v Speaker 2>suppressing and oppressing, right, So that's the thing. It's like,

1720
01:47:59.159 --> 01:48:03.119
<v Speaker 2>there's no, it's completely it makes perfect sense to me

1721
01:48:03.239 --> 01:48:06.960
<v Speaker 2>why you would have black capitalists because the oppression never stopped.

1722
01:48:07.640 --> 01:48:11.039
<v Speaker 2>So like the the seeing it happened in front of

1723
01:48:11.079 --> 01:48:14.079
<v Speaker 2>your face all the time. Yeah, never stopped. And so

1724
01:48:14.159 --> 01:48:15.399
<v Speaker 2>you're like, well, I got to get out of this,

1725
01:48:17.199 --> 01:48:17.640
<v Speaker 2>get out of this.

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01:48:18.279 --> 01:48:22.279
<v Speaker 4>I had a lot of American brothers and sisters messaging me.

1727
01:48:22.800 --> 01:48:25.680
<v Speaker 4>They were not upset that they were challenging. I did

1728
01:48:25.680 --> 01:48:27.560
<v Speaker 4>a one hour interview on Middle East Eye and I

1729
01:48:28.000 --> 01:48:32.680
<v Speaker 4>brought up the fact that the NBA and NFL is

1730
01:48:32.680 --> 01:48:35.880
<v Speaker 4>a really good example of not us not recognizing our

1731
01:48:35.880 --> 01:48:39.520
<v Speaker 4>collective power. That's nice, you know, you look at I

1732
01:48:39.520 --> 01:48:44.199
<v Speaker 4>don't know what percentage of the NFL is black, I mean.

1733
01:48:44.439 --> 01:48:47.720
<v Speaker 2>Enough to say the vast majority.

1734
01:48:47.920 --> 01:48:50.359
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And I said, it's crazy to me that, you know,

1735
01:48:50.520 --> 01:48:53.199
<v Speaker 4>someone like Lebron James doesn't wake up and you know,

1736
01:48:53.560 --> 01:48:56.479
<v Speaker 4>and this is why they pay him and others so much.

1737
01:48:56.600 --> 01:48:59.640
<v Speaker 4>It's hard to have that bird's eye view perspective of saying,

1738
01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:02.680
<v Speaker 4>why do we just go and raise the money ourselves

1739
01:49:02.680 --> 01:49:04.640
<v Speaker 4>and set up a co op set up only the

1740
01:49:04.680 --> 01:49:06.600
<v Speaker 4>European players, that the white players that are good at

1741
01:49:06.640 --> 01:49:09.159
<v Speaker 4>using European they're going to come with us anyway, right

1742
01:49:09.520 --> 01:49:13.239
<v Speaker 4>and have real ownership. And then you look at the NFL,

1743
01:49:13.640 --> 01:49:15.840
<v Speaker 4>which in many ways is even worse because so many

1744
01:49:15.840 --> 01:49:19.680
<v Speaker 4>of the owners of the NFL teams are just just.

1745
01:49:19.840 --> 01:49:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Read this comment. This is what this is how we

1746
01:49:21.920 --> 01:49:22.560
<v Speaker 2>get for reals.

1747
01:49:29.039 --> 01:49:31.960
<v Speaker 4>I see Lord and he has Lord in his name.

1748
01:49:33.399 --> 01:49:39.399
<v Speaker 2>And love. But this is but is it.

1749
01:49:39.359 --> 01:49:41.279
<v Speaker 4>A human or bot? I mean, it.

1750
01:49:41.199 --> 01:49:44.079
<v Speaker 2>Doesn't it doesn't matter because they'll still be humans that

1751
01:49:44.119 --> 01:49:47.119
<v Speaker 2>respond to the bot. Right, But this is very much

1752
01:49:47.159 --> 01:49:51.600
<v Speaker 2>the thought process. Just shut up and get your money.

1753
01:49:52.159 --> 01:49:57.399
<v Speaker 4>M hmm, don't try yeah mm hmm. Well I mean

1754
01:49:57.560 --> 01:50:00.319
<v Speaker 4>getting them. Yeah. And that's that's the ir that's what

1755
01:50:00.399 --> 01:50:01.359
<v Speaker 4>the because.

1756
01:50:02.159 --> 01:50:03.560
<v Speaker 2>You know what, the other part of the of the

1757
01:50:03.680 --> 01:50:06.520
<v Speaker 2>of the NBA in the NFL, is that many of them,

1758
01:50:06.800 --> 01:50:11.359
<v Speaker 2>more NFL than NBA, are shaped by white men in

1759
01:50:11.399 --> 01:50:14.119
<v Speaker 2>their young lives in coach.

1760
01:50:14.039 --> 01:50:19.199
<v Speaker 4>Coaches who do not have the politics that recognize as

1761
01:50:19.239 --> 01:50:21.640
<v Speaker 4>the humanity of black and brown bodies, which is which

1762
01:50:21.880 --> 01:50:24.640
<v Speaker 4>I find so interesting. Right if you and then you

1763
01:50:24.680 --> 01:50:28.079
<v Speaker 4>look at the quarterbacks, like I'm forty seven, I you know,

1764
01:50:28.159 --> 01:50:33.520
<v Speaker 4>we didn't have black quarterbacks to what nineties.

1765
01:50:33.640 --> 01:50:37.119
<v Speaker 2>Nineties, like when Mike Nick was a quarterback. People were like,

1766
01:50:38.239 --> 01:50:40.760
<v Speaker 2>this is impossible.

1767
01:50:41.039 --> 01:50:44.279
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, because we were the Bucks, right you shut up?

1768
01:50:44.279 --> 01:50:46.319
<v Speaker 2>Well they said they literally said we're not smart enough.

1769
01:50:46.920 --> 01:50:51.119
<v Speaker 2>Not I and read the shit said we're not smart enough.

1770
01:50:52.039 --> 01:50:55.039
<v Speaker 4>Yeah yeah, And so I say that, I say, I say, actually,

1771
01:50:55.119 --> 01:50:58.000
<v Speaker 4>you know that the structure, the power structure on the

1772
01:50:58.039 --> 01:51:02.800
<v Speaker 4>field was well plantation based as as I'm concerned, right,

1773
01:51:02.840 --> 01:51:04.600
<v Speaker 4>and people like, what are you talking about and I'm like, better,

1774
01:51:04.680 --> 01:51:07.800
<v Speaker 4>look at it, just look at it. And how do

1775
01:51:07.880 --> 01:51:11.000
<v Speaker 4>we have the level of wealth that is in the

1776
01:51:11.119 --> 01:51:13.560
<v Speaker 4>NBA in terms of fifty million one hundred million? And

1777
01:51:13.600 --> 01:51:18.239
<v Speaker 4>you're telling me ten players couldn't get together and buy

1778
01:51:18.319 --> 01:51:20.239
<v Speaker 4>a major chunk of the team. You know, I think

1779
01:51:20.239 --> 01:51:22.359
<v Speaker 4>they're like three owners and those are you know, the

1780
01:51:22.359 --> 01:51:25.760
<v Speaker 4>the you know, the Michael Jordan's and their Yeah, you.

1781
01:51:25.720 --> 01:51:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Know if you like Claren Kaepernick kneeled for awareness around

1782
01:51:33.680 --> 01:51:38.800
<v Speaker 2>police brutality and the entire league didn't kneel with him.

1783
01:51:39.760 --> 01:51:42.079
<v Speaker 4>And then as a life, I mean you know that

1784
01:51:42.159 --> 01:51:45.159
<v Speaker 4>they have they even Spike Lee's doc have they pulled it?

1785
01:51:45.199 --> 01:51:46.239
<v Speaker 4>I don't think that's coming out.

1786
01:51:47.279 --> 01:51:49.000
<v Speaker 2>I didn't even know it existed.

1787
01:51:49.199 --> 01:51:51.239
<v Speaker 4>There's a big doc Spike's been doing for a long

1788
01:51:51.279 --> 01:51:55.560
<v Speaker 4>time on Caps Life, and I don't We'll see. HBO

1789
01:51:55.600 --> 01:51:57.399
<v Speaker 4>has just been bought, so we'll see. But I heard

1790
01:51:57.439 --> 01:52:03.760
<v Speaker 4>it's not, well, did it get bored? There's a new offer? Right?

1791
01:52:03.800 --> 01:52:04.239
<v Speaker 4>I thought it was.

1792
01:52:04.439 --> 01:52:04.640
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

1793
01:52:04.840 --> 01:52:10.119
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking about it a little later Larry Ellison and Oracle,

1794
01:52:12.560 --> 01:52:16.199
<v Speaker 2>So tell me this in this climate, how is it

1795
01:52:16.239 --> 01:52:19.199
<v Speaker 2>different in Britain in terms of creating if at all?

1796
01:52:19.279 --> 01:52:22.000
<v Speaker 2>Because in the United States, it's become damn near impossible

1797
01:52:22.600 --> 01:52:26.880
<v Speaker 2>for folks who want to create in the network system

1798
01:52:26.960 --> 01:52:29.239
<v Speaker 2>or in the studio system, you can't. You're not going

1799
01:52:29.319 --> 01:52:31.840
<v Speaker 2>to be able to create anything that is subversive, let

1800
01:52:31.880 --> 01:52:35.560
<v Speaker 2>alone that is that is black, let alone subversive. Right, Like,

1801
01:52:35.640 --> 01:52:39.840
<v Speaker 2>I grew up seeing so much black creativity and it's

1802
01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:42.199
<v Speaker 2>been withered and withered and withared to the point now

1803
01:52:42.199 --> 01:52:45.800
<v Speaker 2>where when I am scrolling, I genuinely don't see much

1804
01:52:45.840 --> 01:52:48.279
<v Speaker 2>of anything. And when I do see black people, we're

1805
01:52:48.279 --> 01:52:52.920
<v Speaker 2>in movies about cops, or we're in movies about politicians.

1806
01:52:54.279 --> 01:52:56.600
<v Speaker 2>So I'm curious in the British side of things what

1807
01:52:56.720 --> 01:52:57.239
<v Speaker 2>it looks like.

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01:52:58.159 --> 01:53:00.600
<v Speaker 4>Well, I think in the traditional mic and is I mean,

1809
01:53:00.600 --> 01:53:02.720
<v Speaker 4>it's all about money, right, Who's going to commission what?

1810
01:53:03.319 --> 01:53:07.680
<v Speaker 4>And you know, the first one I made with Netflix

1811
01:53:07.840 --> 01:53:08.960
<v Speaker 4>was because it was a guy. You know, it was

1812
01:53:08.960 --> 01:53:11.720
<v Speaker 4>a black woman, Fiona Lambti there was head of commissioning.

1813
01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:15.840
<v Speaker 4>Se then has left, right, And I think a lot

1814
01:53:15.880 --> 01:53:19.600
<v Speaker 4>of people are realizing that, And I think Gaza has

1815
01:53:19.680 --> 01:53:23.159
<v Speaker 4>everything to do with it, because there's a renaissance of

1816
01:53:23.239 --> 01:53:26.640
<v Speaker 4>what the consumer wants to see. So if you look

1817
01:53:26.680 --> 01:53:30.159
<v Speaker 4>at their three films, out voice of Hand. All this

1818
01:53:30.279 --> 01:53:34.600
<v Speaker 4>leftters you and Palestine thirty six. They're selling out in

1819
01:53:34.680 --> 01:53:38.920
<v Speaker 4>every single cinema, right. They all had to hustle like

1820
01:53:39.159 --> 01:53:44.079
<v Speaker 4>phone calls from uncles, aunties, rich rich every rich friends

1821
01:53:44.119 --> 01:53:46.760
<v Speaker 4>that you think care, and they have the film's finance.

1822
01:53:46.960 --> 01:53:49.119
<v Speaker 4>But what they've did, all of those films outside the

1823
01:53:49.119 --> 01:53:52.239
<v Speaker 4>studio system. Water Melon Pictures has been set up, yes,

1824
01:53:52.399 --> 01:53:55.119
<v Speaker 4>which is which which I my film has? They have

1825
01:53:55.159 --> 01:53:59.600
<v Speaker 4>a global rights to buy film right people, And what

1826
01:53:59.600 --> 01:54:00.159
<v Speaker 4>what I've.

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01:54:00.119 --> 01:54:06.840
<v Speaker 21>Learn, it's incredible because they're saying they're saying, we're just

1828
01:54:06.880 --> 01:54:09.000
<v Speaker 21>going to look at the blueprint of what has been

1829
01:54:09.000 --> 01:54:11.119
<v Speaker 21>done for the last hundred years, but do it with

1830
01:54:11.279 --> 01:54:13.239
<v Speaker 21>a with a global.

1831
01:54:12.880 --> 01:54:17.279
<v Speaker 4>Lens, and the consumer wants it. So what's going to

1832
01:54:17.319 --> 01:54:20.119
<v Speaker 4>happen now is that people are going to be flying

1833
01:54:20.520 --> 01:54:25.159
<v Speaker 4>to meet banks in the global South, to meet culture funds.

1834
01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:27.600
<v Speaker 4>I know three culture funds which I can't speak about,

1835
01:54:27.600 --> 01:54:31.439
<v Speaker 4>that are being set up by people of color. Right,

1836
01:54:31.800 --> 01:54:35.520
<v Speaker 4>there are parts of the Arab world that are like, oh,

1837
01:54:35.560 --> 01:54:39.159
<v Speaker 4>we shook we you know, we've been buying football teams,

1838
01:54:39.159 --> 01:54:42.359
<v Speaker 4>We've been buying useless truth pets. We're not going to

1839
01:54:42.399 --> 01:54:45.520
<v Speaker 4>make that mistake again. For the price of two yachts,

1840
01:54:45.920 --> 01:54:48.920
<v Speaker 4>we can have ten years of podcast being commissioned currently,

1841
01:54:50.159 --> 01:54:54.439
<v Speaker 4>TV shows, films, So that's all being built now. And

1842
01:54:54.520 --> 01:54:57.479
<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of folks that know how to

1843
01:54:57.520 --> 01:54:59.600
<v Speaker 4>move and where to move are going to be finding

1844
01:54:59.640 --> 01:55:04.199
<v Speaker 4>pocket of fiscal availability outside of the European and North

1845
01:55:04.239 --> 01:55:08.119
<v Speaker 4>American and making things. This is the other thing. Making

1846
01:55:08.199 --> 01:55:11.359
<v Speaker 4>the films that we never got to see. Palistein thirty

1847
01:55:11.399 --> 01:55:16.680
<v Speaker 4>six feels huge, right, but it is just one story.

1848
01:55:17.319 --> 01:55:21.279
<v Speaker 4>And how many films have we seen about Laverture and

1849
01:55:21.359 --> 01:55:23.960
<v Speaker 4>the Haitian Revolution? How many films have we seen about

1850
01:55:24.039 --> 01:55:28.199
<v Speaker 4>the Congo genocide and Leopold? How many films have we

1851
01:55:28.319 --> 01:55:31.720
<v Speaker 4>seen about the Mau Mau massacre. How many films have

1852
01:55:31.800 --> 01:55:34.000
<v Speaker 4>we seen about the Bengal famine. I can go on

1853
01:55:34.119 --> 01:55:36.840
<v Speaker 4>all day. People want to see that, and they're now

1854
01:55:36.880 --> 01:55:39.159
<v Speaker 4>going to be made and we don't have to ask

1855
01:55:39.199 --> 01:55:44.119
<v Speaker 4>permission of racist usually men that are sitting in their

1856
01:55:44.239 --> 01:55:49.399
<v Speaker 4>la offices trying to think that we are the only

1857
01:55:50.119 --> 01:55:53.399
<v Speaker 4>gatekeepers that you know, allow us to tell our stories.

1858
01:55:53.520 --> 01:55:56.560
<v Speaker 4>And you know, Tyler Perry, movies get made. Oprah is

1859
01:55:56.560 --> 01:55:58.720
<v Speaker 4>allowed to do what she does for a reason, you know,

1860
01:56:00.359 --> 01:56:02.239
<v Speaker 4>you know, we have to ask ourselves. No, But I

1861
01:56:02.880 --> 01:56:05.239
<v Speaker 4>know why hasn't Ne Tyler can make a movie about

1862
01:56:05.319 --> 01:56:09.159
<v Speaker 4>Luvita so for a good financial movie about you know,

1863
01:56:09.279 --> 01:56:11.760
<v Speaker 4>the Dema Mile massacre, right.

1864
01:56:12.760 --> 01:56:16.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you would think they did roots, you know,

1865
01:56:16.279 --> 01:56:17.680
<v Speaker 2>for the and it's like, how many times we're going

1866
01:56:17.680 --> 01:56:23.119
<v Speaker 2>to do ruths? How much new there's there's there's new

1867
01:56:23.199 --> 01:56:27.560
<v Speaker 2>knowledge about old things that need to be shared. And

1868
01:56:27.600 --> 01:56:30.760
<v Speaker 2>we don't even have any history after nineteen forty five.

1869
01:56:31.760 --> 01:56:34.760
<v Speaker 2>You're in the United States, missen, you would think that

1870
01:56:34.800 --> 01:56:38.600
<v Speaker 2>nothing happened after nineteen forty five, Like Martin Luther King

1871
01:56:38.760 --> 01:56:42.800
<v Speaker 2>was alive and then he died, not assassinated, he.

1872
01:56:42.880 --> 01:56:47.319
<v Speaker 4>Died Like I mean, I've just got that book, have you?

1873
01:56:47.399 --> 01:56:49.319
<v Speaker 4>Did you get the book without Sanctuary? Have you got

1874
01:56:49.319 --> 01:56:49.920
<v Speaker 4>that book yet?

1875
01:56:50.399 --> 01:56:52.319
<v Speaker 2>No? Without Sanctuary?

1876
01:56:53.960 --> 01:56:57.760
<v Speaker 4>I mean, America is so fucked about the Christmas the

1877
01:56:57.840 --> 01:57:02.159
<v Speaker 4>lynching Christmas cards. Well, not you, but Americans used to

1878
01:57:02.239 --> 01:57:07.560
<v Speaker 4>send themselves. So it's an extraordinary book that goes into detail.

1879
01:57:07.560 --> 01:57:10.199
<v Speaker 4>I mean this was this was a real practice where

1880
01:57:10.279 --> 01:57:14.319
<v Speaker 4>someone would send a relatively picture of a lynched black

1881
01:57:14.359 --> 01:57:23.479
<v Speaker 4>woman or black man as a Christmas card, and somebody

1882
01:57:23.520 --> 01:57:25.960
<v Speaker 4>needs to do no, no, and someone needs to do

1883
01:57:26.119 --> 01:57:28.239
<v Speaker 4>the documentary. And I know people don't want to see it,

1884
01:57:28.279 --> 01:57:30.000
<v Speaker 4>but I think of him every day. I don't want

1885
01:57:30.000 --> 01:57:33.039
<v Speaker 4>to get emotional now, but I think of George Skinny

1886
01:57:33.720 --> 01:57:37.520
<v Speaker 4>Junior every day. And Ava Devernet touched on it. But

1887
01:57:37.640 --> 01:57:41.039
<v Speaker 4>he needs his story told properly. You know, and people

1888
01:57:41.079 --> 01:57:44.600
<v Speaker 4>sometimes argue whether whether the Bible bit is true. You

1889
01:57:44.640 --> 01:57:47.279
<v Speaker 4>know that he was too small, so they made him

1890
01:57:47.279 --> 01:57:49.319
<v Speaker 4>sit on the Bible before they electrocuted him. You know,

1891
01:57:49.439 --> 01:57:51.800
<v Speaker 4>youngest person to be electrocuted. I don't even it doesn't

1892
01:57:51.840 --> 01:57:56.560
<v Speaker 4>matter they executed. They electrocuted a child in America for

1893
01:57:56.640 --> 01:57:59.119
<v Speaker 4>a crime that he did not commit. And that story,

1894
01:57:59.560 --> 01:58:04.199
<v Speaker 4>outside of little mini ten minute segments, has never been told.

1895
01:58:04.880 --> 01:58:06.960
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, that you're right. There are stories to be

1896
01:58:07.039 --> 01:58:10.399
<v Speaker 4>told and it's not And people say, oh, I'm tired

1897
01:58:10.399 --> 01:58:14.399
<v Speaker 4>of all the trauma and blah blah blah. Listen, if

1898
01:58:14.439 --> 01:58:17.960
<v Speaker 4>we talk about how many movies have been made about

1899
01:58:18.159 --> 01:58:20.680
<v Speaker 4>a singular story, I think of all the history lessons

1900
01:58:20.680 --> 01:58:22.600
<v Speaker 4>I had at school. They're just telling me the same story.

1901
01:58:23.239 --> 01:58:28.600
<v Speaker 2>I know more. I know more about the Holocaust than

1902
01:58:28.640 --> 01:58:33.000
<v Speaker 2>I did about my own people. I could tell you

1903
01:58:33.079 --> 01:58:38.199
<v Speaker 2>about Crystal knocked the Nuremberg Trials. I can tell you

1904
01:58:38.840 --> 01:58:42.319
<v Speaker 2>about the Warsaw Ghetto, the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. I can

1905
01:58:42.359 --> 01:58:46.279
<v Speaker 2>tell you about Dachau and Auschwitz and.

1906
01:58:46.600 --> 01:58:49.279
<v Speaker 4>Many great films, many great films.

1907
01:58:49.319 --> 01:58:52.399
<v Speaker 2>No, but I'm telling you I knew that from school.

1908
01:58:55.079 --> 01:58:57.159
<v Speaker 2>I knew that from school. I can sing the Drado song,

1909
01:58:58.439 --> 01:59:01.159
<v Speaker 2>Oh Drado, dradl Drado, I made it out of like

1910
01:59:02.159 --> 01:59:06.680
<v Speaker 2>can I can do all of that? However, I didn't

1911
01:59:06.720 --> 01:59:07.960
<v Speaker 2>do to Zionism.

1912
01:59:08.319 --> 01:59:15.119
<v Speaker 4>Do they teach you about Congo, Congo? About Leopold? Okay,

1913
01:59:15.840 --> 01:59:16.479
<v Speaker 4>we didn't learn.

1914
01:59:16.399 --> 01:59:20.159
<v Speaker 2>About I mean, we barely learned that Africa.

1915
01:59:19.880 --> 01:59:25.720
<v Speaker 4>Existed, So they didn't talk about ten million jenes, No,

1916
01:59:25.920 --> 01:59:29.800
<v Speaker 4>ten million hands being chopped off with kids, none of that.

1917
01:59:31.079 --> 01:59:35.199
<v Speaker 2>None of it. We haven't in the United States. I

1918
01:59:35.239 --> 01:59:40.319
<v Speaker 2>mean you have to really be intentional about your children

1919
01:59:40.439 --> 01:59:47.680
<v Speaker 2>or yourself learning the length that this nation has gone

1920
01:59:47.720 --> 01:59:53.319
<v Speaker 2>to exhibit harm against everybody who is not wife and

1921
01:59:53.359 --> 01:59:56.039
<v Speaker 2>then you go to a whole other level to see

1922
01:59:56.079 --> 01:59:58.760
<v Speaker 2>who the whites that they exhibited harm against because they

1923
01:59:58.840 --> 02:00:04.479
<v Speaker 2>wasn't okay with the app relations. Yeah, and so you know,

1924
02:00:04.560 --> 02:00:09.720
<v Speaker 2>we find ourselves at this really important zenith where which

1925
02:00:09.720 --> 02:00:11.920
<v Speaker 2>is why I refer to myself as an artistic intellectual

1926
02:00:12.319 --> 02:00:20.600
<v Speaker 2>where the necessity for art to educate is again back

1927
02:00:20.680 --> 02:00:27.399
<v Speaker 2>to It's no longer just like a subcategory. I feel

1928
02:00:27.439 --> 02:00:29.840
<v Speaker 2>like it needs to be the category that we're creating in,

1929
02:00:30.319 --> 02:00:32.119
<v Speaker 2>you know, because like for a lot of time, it's

1930
02:00:32.119 --> 02:00:33.880
<v Speaker 2>felt like, you know, can't we just have like a

1931
02:00:33.880 --> 02:00:34.680
<v Speaker 2>feel good film?

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no. And also I don't know how you know,

1933
02:00:39.640 --> 02:00:41.800
<v Speaker 4>in the art I've got a big exhibition of my

1934
02:00:41.920 --> 02:00:45.359
<v Speaker 4>photographs and again everyone's like saying, miss and put the

1935
02:00:45.399 --> 02:00:48.359
<v Speaker 4>BLM stuff, put the climate, put the quip, you're going

1936
02:00:48.399 --> 02:00:50.520
<v Speaker 4>to do so well, the art world's going to love you.

1937
02:00:50.560 --> 02:00:56.800
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, it's fifty percent images of Palestinian solidarity and

1938
02:00:56.880 --> 02:01:00.880
<v Speaker 4>resistance on three continents because that has been my lifetime.

1939
02:01:00.960 --> 02:01:03.640
<v Speaker 4>This the biggest single protest movement that I've ever witnessed

1940
02:01:03.680 --> 02:01:06.560
<v Speaker 4>with my lens. And again I put it all in

1941
02:01:06.600 --> 02:01:10.359
<v Speaker 4>a black owned gallery and it's become the busiest gallery

1942
02:01:10.399 --> 02:01:14.960
<v Speaker 4>show in London by quite a mile. But the big

1943
02:01:15.039 --> 02:01:18.039
<v Speaker 4>part is I'm in a position that I can force

1944
02:01:18.159 --> 02:01:21.840
<v Speaker 4>that issue to happen. The bigger question is if you

1945
02:01:21.880 --> 02:01:24.840
<v Speaker 4>look at the top ten black artists in the world,

1946
02:01:25.079 --> 02:01:27.600
<v Speaker 4>you know, what's the term they use blue chip artists.

1947
02:01:28.720 --> 02:01:32.600
<v Speaker 4>What are they saying about the world as we know what? No, no, no,

1948
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<v Speaker 4>I have to say, they'll be showing at the Googenheim,

1949
02:01:34.960 --> 02:01:39.600
<v Speaker 4>and they'll be showing here. But if your revolutionary work

1950
02:01:40.479 --> 02:01:47.399
<v Speaker 4>m makes rich folk comfortable.

1951
02:01:49.039 --> 02:01:54.319
<v Speaker 2>It ain't at the same time, then it makes them richer.

1952
02:01:55.119 --> 02:01:59.159
<v Speaker 4>Well as an asset class. Yes, of course, you know, yes,

1953
02:01:59.199 --> 02:02:03.840
<v Speaker 4>of course. But the thing about art is that when

1954
02:02:03.840 --> 02:02:08.439
<v Speaker 4>it's really dangerous is when it goes beyond that and

1955
02:02:08.479 --> 02:02:10.840
<v Speaker 4>that the people want it, then it becomes part of

1956
02:02:10.880 --> 02:02:14.880
<v Speaker 4>the zeigeist anyway, right, And I think I never waited

1957
02:02:14.920 --> 02:02:16.720
<v Speaker 4>to ask permission to do any of the things that

1958
02:02:16.760 --> 02:02:19.479
<v Speaker 4>I'm doing in terms of you know, if I have

1959
02:02:20.279 --> 02:02:22.079
<v Speaker 4>There's there's an image I have in the gallery that

1960
02:02:22.119 --> 02:02:25.720
<v Speaker 4>says fuck white privilege, with a woman wearing a mask

1961
02:02:25.800 --> 02:02:29.359
<v Speaker 4>laying Trump stinks. And somebody walks in saying, you know what,

1962
02:02:29.760 --> 02:02:32.880
<v Speaker 4>why would you have this in an exhibition? And I said,

1963
02:02:33.199 --> 02:02:35.800
<v Speaker 4>for the very reason that you have the infantry to

1964
02:02:35.960 --> 02:02:37.960
<v Speaker 4>sit there as a white person and ask me why

1965
02:02:37.960 --> 02:02:39.840
<v Speaker 4>I would have that in an exhibition is the reason

1966
02:02:39.880 --> 02:02:42.479
<v Speaker 4>why it has to be in the exhibition. And now

1967
02:02:42.520 --> 02:02:48.760
<v Speaker 4>go do the work. On yourself, right, you know. So

1968
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<v Speaker 4>I don't know how it does in America, but I

1969
02:02:50.319 --> 02:02:53.920
<v Speaker 4>think the museum system is the gallery system. A lot

1970
02:02:53.920 --> 02:02:56.000
<v Speaker 4>of people that are black, that are doing very well,

1971
02:02:56.600 --> 02:02:59.079
<v Speaker 4>are very, very scared. That's why Amy Sherrold is just

1972
02:02:59.119 --> 02:03:01.039
<v Speaker 4>a legend because she's I know, you're not going to

1973
02:03:01.319 --> 02:03:04.640
<v Speaker 4>do that to me. You know, she found she found

1974
02:03:04.680 --> 02:03:08.560
<v Speaker 4>a space where her work could breathe and be what

1975
02:03:08.600 --> 02:03:11.079
<v Speaker 4>it's supposed to be. They are not many Amy, Cheryl's

1976
02:03:11.079 --> 02:03:11.439
<v Speaker 4>out there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll tell you, well, that's what you were saying before though, right,

1978
02:03:15.520 --> 02:03:22.079
<v Speaker 2>I mean, like there there's like little pepperings of us

1979
02:03:22.119 --> 02:03:26.039
<v Speaker 2>in various spaces, and why that's also why it's so

1980
02:03:26.199 --> 02:03:30.199
<v Speaker 2>imperative that we all remain connected.

1981
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<v Speaker 4>And And to ask you what was your your lowest

1982
02:03:39.439 --> 02:03:41.479
<v Speaker 4>point in the last two years, because I know you've

1983
02:03:41.520 --> 02:03:44.119
<v Speaker 4>been vocal about all of this for a long time

1984
02:03:44.159 --> 02:03:48.399
<v Speaker 4>before October, but I know for most people it became

1985
02:03:50.439 --> 02:03:53.399
<v Speaker 4>I mean, I look at I mean miss Rachel's hiring

1986
02:03:53.439 --> 02:03:56.279
<v Speaker 4>security now, right, I mean, it's just it's it's out

1987
02:03:56.279 --> 02:03:58.239
<v Speaker 4>of it's out of control. Was there a time in

1988
02:03:58.279 --> 02:04:02.119
<v Speaker 4>the last two years where, not because people aren't necessarily

1989
02:04:02.199 --> 02:04:09.159
<v Speaker 4>after you, but the pure medieval violence reigned upon men, women,

1990
02:04:09.199 --> 02:04:11.760
<v Speaker 4>and children, but particularly children. For me, was there a

1991
02:04:11.760 --> 02:04:15.920
<v Speaker 4>moment where You're just like, I don't know what to do.

1992
02:04:15.960 --> 02:04:16.760
<v Speaker 4>I'll say anymore.

1993
02:04:21.279 --> 02:04:27.720
<v Speaker 2>February of twenty twenty. For I remember, I was just

1994
02:04:27.720 --> 02:04:29.920
<v Speaker 2>talking about this last night with my homegirl. Was I

1995
02:04:30.000 --> 02:04:34.840
<v Speaker 2>was sitting in my car in my garage. I had

1996
02:04:34.840 --> 02:04:36.159
<v Speaker 2>just come home. I was sitting in my car, I

1997
02:04:36.159 --> 02:04:38.159
<v Speaker 2>was on the phone with my homegirl, and I remember

1998
02:04:38.239 --> 02:04:40.399
<v Speaker 2>just sitting in the garage at the dark, talking to

1999
02:04:40.439 --> 02:04:45.840
<v Speaker 2>her and saying like, I just can't get like I

2000
02:04:45.840 --> 02:04:49.079
<v Speaker 2>don't want to kill myself, but it feels like I'm dead,

2001
02:04:49.640 --> 02:04:54.159
<v Speaker 2>Like it feels like death, Like I feel like I

2002
02:04:54.239 --> 02:04:58.359
<v Speaker 2>know what death is, and I am in a cloud

2003
02:04:58.680 --> 02:05:03.880
<v Speaker 2>every single day, like depression of But it wasn't. And

2004
02:05:04.199 --> 02:05:06.800
<v Speaker 2>the thing about it is that it was more, actually,

2005
02:05:06.840 --> 02:05:09.039
<v Speaker 2>if this is even possible, it was more than simply

2006
02:05:09.079 --> 02:05:11.279
<v Speaker 2>just the images that I was seeing out of Palestine.

2007
02:05:11.359 --> 02:05:18.880
<v Speaker 2>It was also simultaneously really understanding the complete deprivation of

2008
02:05:18.960 --> 02:05:21.039
<v Speaker 2>the nation that I'd lived in, of the system that

2009
02:05:21.079 --> 02:05:25.039
<v Speaker 2>I'd been supporting, so somewhat, you know, even on a

2010
02:05:25.079 --> 02:05:29.359
<v Speaker 2>democrat level of the world. And so it was a

2011
02:05:29.399 --> 02:05:33.760
<v Speaker 2>complete ego death of what I knew or thought I knew.

2012
02:05:34.359 --> 02:05:40.359
<v Speaker 2>But it was also a complete death of my existence,

2013
02:05:40.399 --> 02:05:44.680
<v Speaker 2>you know. So, I mean, it's just like watching Alderan

2014
02:05:45.119 --> 02:05:54.039
<v Speaker 2>be eviscerated and I I could. I mean, people saw

2015
02:05:54.159 --> 02:05:57.520
<v Speaker 2>me crying on Instagram every day. It was just and

2016
02:05:57.880 --> 02:06:00.479
<v Speaker 2>had I had to get on Lexapro. I mean, I

2017
02:06:00.520 --> 02:06:03.439
<v Speaker 2>had to get on because I just realized, like I mean,

2018
02:06:03.479 --> 02:06:05.479
<v Speaker 2>I developed ibs. Like I mean, it was just like,

2019
02:06:05.680 --> 02:06:08.720
<v Speaker 2>you can't you can't manage, like and I had to

2020
02:06:08.760 --> 02:06:12.479
<v Speaker 2>really meet myself at the reality of like, you can't manage,

2021
02:06:14.560 --> 02:06:18.279
<v Speaker 2>and you are dealing with a force that is not

2022
02:06:18.399 --> 02:06:19.439
<v Speaker 2>something you're making.

2023
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<v Speaker 4>Up, that is well organized, incredibly unemotional and in his

2024
02:06:27.359 --> 02:06:29.279
<v Speaker 4>long term intention to do what it needs. I mean,

2025
02:06:29.319 --> 02:06:33.319
<v Speaker 4>it's it's straight up Star Wars. And but the thing

2026
02:06:33.359 --> 02:06:35.439
<v Speaker 4>that makes us so much worse than Star Wars, apart

2027
02:06:35.439 --> 02:06:40.000
<v Speaker 4>from it being real, is that the you know that

2028
02:06:40.039 --> 02:06:43.159
<v Speaker 4>there was something, it's been removed from the Internet so

2029
02:06:43.199 --> 02:06:46.239
<v Speaker 4>I can't find it anymore. Of a child that was

2030
02:06:46.279 --> 02:06:50.560
<v Speaker 4>in the rubble, and she you could only see her

2031
02:06:50.640 --> 02:06:54.560
<v Speaker 4>head and the guys couldn't dig her out. She was

2032
02:06:54.560 --> 02:06:56.600
<v Speaker 4>in a position that they couldn't dig her out, and

2033
02:06:56.640 --> 02:06:59.000
<v Speaker 4>they knew that she was dying, and they knew and

2034
02:06:59.439 --> 02:07:02.840
<v Speaker 4>didn't have and they I talked to her and then

2035
02:07:03.399 --> 02:07:07.359
<v Speaker 4>one of the guys was playing with her hair, my sister,

2036
02:07:09.760 --> 02:07:12.239
<v Speaker 4>and she was there's something she didn't know she was dying,

2037
02:07:13.479 --> 02:07:17.159
<v Speaker 4>you know, and they were having and I locked myself.

2038
02:07:17.199 --> 02:07:19.319
<v Speaker 4>I have two little girls. I loved myself in the toilet.

2039
02:07:19.479 --> 02:07:21.439
<v Speaker 4>And you know, there's there are different types of crying, right.

2040
02:07:21.479 --> 02:07:24.199
<v Speaker 4>There's the kind of tears rolled down and you're like,

2041
02:07:24.720 --> 02:07:28.840
<v Speaker 4>you know, and then there's like I do that a lot,

2042
02:07:29.079 --> 02:07:32.920
<v Speaker 4>but this is the first time I can remember, at

2043
02:07:33.000 --> 02:07:37.239
<v Speaker 4>least in my adult life, no I wailed. I wailed.

2044
02:07:38.600 --> 02:07:44.720
<v Speaker 4>I I sounded like like an animal was it wasn't

2045
02:07:44.760 --> 02:07:50.039
<v Speaker 4>I didn't sound like you know. And and then then

2046
02:07:50.600 --> 02:07:53.840
<v Speaker 4>from that whiling, I would then go into one of

2047
02:07:53.840 --> 02:07:57.800
<v Speaker 4>because I wear many hats right, a work environment surrounded

2048
02:07:57.880 --> 02:08:03.000
<v Speaker 4>by people that are trying to tell me that this

2049
02:08:03.159 --> 02:08:06.880
<v Speaker 4>is exactly how it's supposed to be, and that can

2050
02:08:06.920 --> 02:08:09.439
<v Speaker 4>make that can I can see why people lose their minds?

2051
02:08:09.960 --> 02:08:13.079
<v Speaker 4>You know, Yes, it's.

2052
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<v Speaker 2>Because you know, and this is why it's so necessary

2053
02:08:18.359 --> 02:08:21.359
<v Speaker 2>to keep making the things right and doing the things,

2054
02:08:24.359 --> 02:08:28.479
<v Speaker 2>and I I'm going through that now with Sudan and

2055
02:08:28.520 --> 02:08:32.199
<v Speaker 2>the couso and hearing the stories that are coming out

2056
02:08:32.239 --> 02:08:38.319
<v Speaker 2>of there are a whole other level of retrobate. Reprobate.

2057
02:08:38.399 --> 02:08:42.039
<v Speaker 2>So it's it's you know, and you're you're trying to somehow.

2058
02:08:44.760 --> 02:08:48.039
<v Speaker 2>I feel like we're having to create a cellular capability

2059
02:08:48.680 --> 02:08:55.319
<v Speaker 2>that allows us to see it and its horror without

2060
02:08:55.479 --> 02:09:03.279
<v Speaker 2>becoming calloused. And thus, like the processing of it has

2061
02:09:03.319 --> 02:09:06.479
<v Speaker 2>to be not how do I not feel when I

2062
02:09:06.520 --> 02:09:10.199
<v Speaker 2>see this? But how do I become action oriented when

2063
02:09:10.199 --> 02:09:14.560
<v Speaker 2>I see this? Donis Yeah, it's a conscious decision I've

2064
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<v Speaker 2>had to make around how to take in this this information,

2065
02:09:20.239 --> 02:09:22.000
<v Speaker 2>you know, And then you see people like Hillary Clinton

2066
02:09:22.079 --> 02:09:25.159
<v Speaker 2>and Sarah Horowitz running around talking about, well, you know,

2067
02:09:25.199 --> 02:09:27.560
<v Speaker 2>the problem is really that people are watching TikTok, not

2068
02:09:27.600 --> 02:09:29.279
<v Speaker 2>the fact that there's acide happening.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not the bombs. Yeah, and the arrogance. And this

2070
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<v Speaker 4>is the thing about confirmation bias, her level of arrogance.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, when you see someone like her saying,

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<v Speaker 4>and she's fundamentally saying that when it all boils down

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<v Speaker 4>to it, the only answer is violence. She can use

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<v Speaker 4>all the you know finery that you know it. She's

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<v Speaker 4>just saying the bombs have to drop and they have

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<v Speaker 4>to continue dropping. And the the pure white supremacist viewpoint

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<v Speaker 4>of her world is extraordinary to me that she can sit.

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<v Speaker 4>And the second interview she did, the guy actually tried.

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<v Speaker 4>He tried to push back and he goes, yeah, but

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<v Speaker 4>what about the baby? I mean he tried, and she's like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>war is war? I'm like, is it is that?

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<v Speaker 2>What's happening in Ukraine?

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<v Speaker 4>H don't let me start with that. I called I'm

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<v Speaker 4>ambassador to Save the children and I got very frustrated

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<v Speaker 4>with UNICF. So the two biggest charities, not with UNISF

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<v Speaker 4>but because there's some amazing people at UNICEF, but the

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<v Speaker 4>biggest ambassador for UNISF from a British point of view

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<v Speaker 4>is somebody called David Beckham. I'm sure you've heard of

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<v Speaker 4>and I remember vocal. Well, he wasn't doing anything like

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<v Speaker 4>that for the last two years for Palestinian kids, yet

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<v Speaker 4>he was incredibly vocal for Ukrainian children. And I don't

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<v Speaker 4>mind if you're rich, I don't mind if you're famous.

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<v Speaker 4>You can get on with your life and enjoy it.

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<v Speaker 4>But if you choose and this is where we get

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<v Speaker 4>into an issue with me. If you choose to be

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<v Speaker 4>a children's good will ambassador, right, and there's a place

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<v Speaker 4>that is the size of a postage lamp with a

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<v Speaker 4>million children, that has had six Hiroshimas dropped on it,

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<v Speaker 4>and you haven't said anything, and your good will ambassador

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<v Speaker 4>for the biggest children's charity in the world. I have

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<v Speaker 4>a problem with you. Either you relinquish that or you

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<v Speaker 4>these children. And I will say, I just need your voice,

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<v Speaker 4>just speak say something. It really matters. In the British

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<v Speaker 4>cultural setup. He is someone that he can get a

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<v Speaker 4>meeting within one hour with the Prime Minister. This is

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<v Speaker 4>the way things are set up, right, it is what

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<v Speaker 4>it is. There's something you know, You've got your knighthood,

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<v Speaker 4>you've got all your things, but you see, you are

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<v Speaker 4>still a children's ambassador. And I found that extraordinary to me,

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<v Speaker 4>the amount of good will ambassadors for children in the

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<v Speaker 4>last two years that were completely and utterly mute in

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<v Speaker 4>the biggest attack on children that we have seen in

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<v Speaker 4>the generation. You know, just just.

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<v Speaker 2>Because white children's ambassadors, they're they're they're ambassadors in really

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<v Speaker 2>just the regard of and they may not even know this,

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02:12:23.880 --> 02:12:29.279
<v Speaker 2>but they're really just tools for soft power because a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of the actual services being provided to the children

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<v Speaker 2>that they are the ambassador for are done so with

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<v Speaker 2>an attachment to some level of leverage or leverage or

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<v Speaker 2>power that is being carried out. So like when you

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<v Speaker 2>see someone like Bill Gates or you see the United

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02:12:50.960 --> 02:12:54.479
<v Speaker 2>States government somewhere helping kids, it's never done in altruism.

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<v Speaker 2>It's never done in altruism. It's always done in an

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<v Speaker 2>exchange of power, whether it's militarized or I can right.

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<v Speaker 2>So then you they get celebrities who come on board

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<v Speaker 2>to be the children's ambassadors, which sounds very noble and

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02:13:10.079 --> 02:13:13.720
<v Speaker 2>very like weak care. And those celebrities don't realize that

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02:13:13.960 --> 02:13:19.000
<v Speaker 2>while they are simultaneously also building up their own face

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02:13:19.279 --> 02:13:25.720
<v Speaker 2>and their own you know, report reputation for being a

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02:13:25.720 --> 02:13:30.039
<v Speaker 2>good person, they are actively supporting systems that are in

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<v Speaker 2>place to actually diminish these people's safety. So it's a

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<v Speaker 2>part of the NGO, you know, nonprofit system that really

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<v Speaker 2>does not seek to solve problems. So I'm feeling particularly

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02:13:45.840 --> 02:13:48.760
<v Speaker 2>skeptical today, cynical today. So you're getting a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>you're getting all the.

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<v Speaker 4>No but you know, we've you know, but you know

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<v Speaker 4>we've we've this two years. You know, I look back

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<v Speaker 4>and I think none of us, none of us, are

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<v Speaker 4>ever going to be the same, you know, the whatever

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02:14:03.840 --> 02:14:07.880
<v Speaker 4>whatever veil that was on. For me, it's just all

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02:14:07.920 --> 02:14:12.680
<v Speaker 4>gone right, and I'm not alone. But what's amazing is

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02:14:12.680 --> 02:14:14.920
<v Speaker 4>that a lot of other people And this is what

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02:14:15.039 --> 02:14:17.239
<v Speaker 4>gives me hope, because sometimes you're like, where's the hope,

2144
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<v Speaker 4>Where's is that a lot of people on beginning to

2145
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<v Speaker 4>go on a journey to like, oh shit, the Democrats,

2146
02:14:25.359 --> 02:14:30.399
<v Speaker 4>the Republicans just bomb everyone. That being right or center

2147
02:14:30.720 --> 02:14:34.439
<v Speaker 4>or left depending on where you live doesn't mean that

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02:14:34.479 --> 02:14:37.800
<v Speaker 4>you're not bombing people. And then you because I remember

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<v Speaker 4>one of the big wake up calls for me was

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<v Speaker 4>I'm not American, but I will say that if I was,

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<v Speaker 4>I would be obviously a progressive, left leaning Democrat. And

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02:14:46.079 --> 02:14:48.720
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, how can I you know, I watch Joe Biden.

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02:14:49.279 --> 02:14:53.960
<v Speaker 4>But even that's not enough go on camera saying that.

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<v Speaker 2>But everything you just said, that's not even a thing like,

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02:14:57.920 --> 02:15:01.720
<v Speaker 2>that's not being a progressive, left leaning Democrat. You're still

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<v Speaker 2>a part of the liberal system that upholds all the ship.

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<v Speaker 4>No, that's that's the thing that I think if I

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02:15:10.720 --> 02:15:14.520
<v Speaker 4>was American, my wake up call to that would have

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<v Speaker 4>been the Biden administration in the last eighty years.

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<v Speaker 2>I see, I see, and I think, Okay, so you

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<v Speaker 2>know what, I agree with you, because I not agree.

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02:15:23.760 --> 02:15:26.039
<v Speaker 2>It's not the word I was there. I was. I

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02:15:26.159 --> 02:15:26.680
<v Speaker 2>was that person.

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<v Speaker 4>Hmm lin the Thomas Greenfield like you know, Auntie. I

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<v Speaker 4>did a post saying, how am I going to tell

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<v Speaker 4>my daughters? This is the sort of person that I

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02:15:37.119 --> 02:15:40.520
<v Speaker 4>used to think I would tell my daughters about for

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<v Speaker 4>them to look up to, right, And I'm like, what

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02:15:43.079 --> 02:15:44.479
<v Speaker 4>am I going to say? And I had a whole

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<v Speaker 4>bunch of folks get in the comments saying, miss and

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02:15:46.840 --> 02:15:49.239
<v Speaker 4>have you looked at her? CV, it's better to have

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02:15:49.279 --> 02:15:50.520
<v Speaker 4>one of us in the room, And I said, no,

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<v Speaker 4>it's not. If that room is erasing a people, then

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<v Speaker 4>I don't want any of us in it, right, or

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02:16:00.159 --> 02:16:03.880
<v Speaker 4>even better, the person that wasn't it If they want greatness, right,

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02:16:03.920 --> 02:16:06.560
<v Speaker 4>if it's about the cult of individualism, if they want legend,

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<v Speaker 4>resign exactly, resign Pamla Harris, if she had resigned saying

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<v Speaker 4>this is a crazy old man. I can't deal with him. Resign,

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<v Speaker 4>do not wheel out Bill Clinton to dearborn and have

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<v Speaker 4>him say things to Arab Americans like Judean Samaria, are

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<v Speaker 4>you mad?

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<v Speaker 2>Are you mad?

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<v Speaker 4>Bring go and bring a palace in the person, Bring

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<v Speaker 4>a progressive Jewish person, bring them together, stand there and

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<v Speaker 4>saying this, we need to cease fire. This is if

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<v Speaker 4>you if you don't at that stage once you use

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<v Speaker 4>the word genocide, but you can use all kinds of

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<v Speaker 4>ethnic cleansing other terms, But do not wheel out Clinton

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<v Speaker 4>to a place with more Arab Americans than anyone else

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02:16:53.719 --> 02:16:57.360
<v Speaker 4>and expect that anyone under twenty five is going to

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02:16:57.440 --> 02:17:00.719
<v Speaker 4>care any white, black, brown people that are just on

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<v Speaker 4>the side of like this is this is crazy. And

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<v Speaker 4>of course any traumatized Arabs who are in diaspora seeing

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02:17:09.879 --> 02:17:14.360
<v Speaker 4>children in their image and their limbs removed being eaten

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02:17:14.520 --> 02:17:20.000
<v Speaker 4>by dogs. This is not dogs. What do we what?

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<v Speaker 4>You know? Anyway, So that's what you do instead of

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02:17:25.799 --> 02:17:27.680
<v Speaker 4>us saying, no, we celebrate any of us that are

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<v Speaker 4>in the room. Which room, If the room is just

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<v Speaker 4>ripping with blood, why should we be inside?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, that's what Martin Luther King said. Doctor Doctor Martin

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02:17:35.719 --> 02:17:37.280
<v Speaker 2>Luther King Junior said, you know, I feel like I've

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02:17:37.280 --> 02:17:39.840
<v Speaker 2>integrated my people into a burning house. And what he

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02:17:39.920 --> 02:17:42.639
<v Speaker 2>meant by that was he thought that the United States

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<v Speaker 2>had some level of moral code and it does not,

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02:17:45.920 --> 02:17:51.079
<v Speaker 2>and so he has literally ushered his people into an immoral,

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02:17:51.799 --> 02:17:55.479
<v Speaker 2>unethical space where they are now going to be used

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02:17:55.479 --> 02:17:56.440
<v Speaker 2>against themselves.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I mean he can't even read, so he's probably

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02:18:06.360 --> 02:18:12.040
<v Speaker 2>got so much CT. So we have one question from

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02:18:12.079 --> 02:18:16.600
<v Speaker 2>our bridge across the pond, Reese, who asks a pleasure

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02:18:16.600 --> 02:18:19.479
<v Speaker 2>to witness this conversation. Also, mister Harriman, I'm friends with

2213
02:18:19.559 --> 02:18:23.399
<v Speaker 2>Nadia so Wilha and Mark, so this is wondrous intersection

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<v Speaker 2>going to the new year. Do you have any further

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02:18:26.120 --> 02:18:27.600
<v Speaker 2>activism projects?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, Nadia is a Jordanian British treasure. So's her amazing

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02:18:34.719 --> 02:18:37.200
<v Speaker 4>husband Mark. She has been a real deal since the

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<v Speaker 4>very beginning. I have photographed her reading the names of

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02:18:40.799 --> 02:18:44.159
<v Speaker 4>murdered children outside the houses of Parliament. I love that

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<v Speaker 4>woman with all my heart. Yeah, look, I've got my projects.

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02:18:47.760 --> 02:18:52.600
<v Speaker 4>Why why I photographed black children with down syndrome. So

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02:18:52.760 --> 02:18:55.479
<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to find a way to so again with

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02:18:55.600 --> 02:18:59.000
<v Speaker 4>my lens, I point to communities and places that don't

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02:18:59.000 --> 02:19:02.040
<v Speaker 4>always get the recognition I've had the honor of photographing

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02:19:02.799 --> 02:19:06.680
<v Speaker 4>so even within Down syndrome, they have just in general,

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02:19:07.079 --> 02:19:09.600
<v Speaker 4>they raised black children right, and I don't know if

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<v Speaker 4>you know, Down's children are all angels, and to have

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02:19:13.879 --> 02:19:17.879
<v Speaker 4>black babies with Down's big, you know, photograph of me,

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<v Speaker 4>it was more important to me than any celeb that

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<v Speaker 4>I've ever shot. So I'm trying to make sure We've

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02:19:22.680 --> 02:19:25.200
<v Speaker 4>done a few little shows and exhibitions, but that's a

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<v Speaker 4>big program that I'm trying to reach others' I'm trying

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02:19:29.600 --> 02:19:35.399
<v Speaker 4>to get into Sudan. I'm trying to get into Congo

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02:19:35.600 --> 02:19:41.399
<v Speaker 4>with my camera. I was in Somalia and Hiro. With

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02:19:41.479 --> 02:19:43.760
<v Speaker 4>some of the projects that I'm working on. It's it's

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02:19:43.799 --> 02:19:46.120
<v Speaker 4>getting harder and harder for me to get into certain places.

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<v Speaker 4>I want to get to the West Bank, but I'm

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<v Speaker 4>on a very very very very naughty list with you

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02:19:51.319 --> 02:19:55.440
<v Speaker 4>know who, so my safety isn't guaranteed there that I'm

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<v Speaker 4>just going to keep pointing my lens and then I'm

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<v Speaker 4>shooting my next my next movie as well. So so

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<v Speaker 4>are you.

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<v Speaker 2>Allowed to talk about that or not allowed? But are

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02:20:02.719 --> 02:20:04.319
<v Speaker 2>you interested?

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<v Speaker 4>What two things I'll say about films The one that

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02:20:07.479 --> 02:20:14.360
<v Speaker 4>I'm hoping to shoot next year is about addiction and

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02:20:14.399 --> 02:20:22.920
<v Speaker 4>redemption in a forgotten America, starring a major one of

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02:20:22.959 --> 02:20:26.760
<v Speaker 4>the great actors of our time, a black man. That's

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02:20:26.799 --> 02:20:28.760
<v Speaker 4>all I can say. The second one, which is in

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<v Speaker 4>development and you'll love this, and I'm developing a movie

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<v Speaker 4>about a Beyonce level pop star that has her private jet.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's say she's in Grenada or whatever. It stops working

2253
02:20:45.040 --> 02:20:49.280
<v Speaker 4>and she's without her team. She's stuck in an island

2254
02:20:49.799 --> 02:20:55.719
<v Speaker 4>and she goes down a Reddit rabbit hole and realizes

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<v Speaker 4>that she is literally the face of capitalism of a

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<v Speaker 4>supremacist ecosystem from Fast Fashioned and it's a comedy akin

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<v Speaker 4>to Don't Look Up and Remember where. The movie basically

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<v Speaker 4>starts with her being isolated, gone down a rabbit hole,

2259
02:21:20.680 --> 02:21:25.760
<v Speaker 4>and she tweets free Palestine, Freesuodown, free Congo, and it's

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<v Speaker 4>like deaf Con seven, like they call the presidents and

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<v Speaker 4>call the President, And it's about what the team in

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<v Speaker 4>New York and LA are trying to do to mitigate this,

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<v Speaker 4>and the journey that this star has on realizing the

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<v Speaker 4>inherent power of this immense audience that they've been given

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<v Speaker 4>because This is why I keep bringing up celebrities, you see.

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<v Speaker 4>It's that not because I see them as some messianic figures.

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<v Speaker 4>It's that they won the land grab of the real

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<v Speaker 4>estate that for now we're stuck with. If you look

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<v Speaker 4>at the top ten most followed people on Instagram alone,

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<v Speaker 4>it is four coverians, three or four footballers, Taylor, Beyonce,

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<v Speaker 4>what have you, and the total following is almost four

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<v Speaker 4>billion people. Right, this is this is obscene. And they

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<v Speaker 4>they can literally once a week do a post with

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<v Speaker 4>a fund raiser, right that could raise more money than

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<v Speaker 4>every single humanitarian organization can find. And they wouldn't have

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02:22:23.440 --> 02:22:26.719
<v Speaker 4>to leave their bedrooms. Okay, so I'm not asking them

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<v Speaker 4>to become revolutionaries at the tip of the spear of

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02:22:30.239 --> 02:22:34.200
<v Speaker 4>any movement. I'm saying, now you've got the land grab

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02:22:34.399 --> 02:22:37.639
<v Speaker 4>usup it and then use it. And you're too rich

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<v Speaker 4>to be to even need to be worried about being canceled.

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<v Speaker 4>How can you cancel jay Z and Beyonce?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh well, and Swiss Beats. You know, I look at

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02:22:48.520 --> 02:22:50.559
<v Speaker 2>Alicia Keys and Swiss Beads. You know, Swiss Beats is

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02:22:50.600 --> 02:22:58.959
<v Speaker 2>out here being Muslim, you know, with the name business Muslim.

2285
02:22:59.319 --> 02:23:04.040
<v Speaker 2>He grew up in in that context. His name is Cassim,

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02:23:04.159 --> 02:23:08.840
<v Speaker 2>his son's name is Cassim. And they have not said

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02:23:08.879 --> 02:23:14.239
<v Speaker 2>anything because they will get phone calls or they'll lose

2288
02:23:14.280 --> 02:23:16.680
<v Speaker 2>their money, et cetera. You know, and Alicia Keys loves

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02:23:16.719 --> 02:23:20.280
<v Speaker 2>to talk about you know, civil rights and blah blah blah,

2290
02:23:20.319 --> 02:23:22.280
<v Speaker 2>and some people will say, well, maybe they're doing stuff

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02:23:22.319 --> 02:23:24.319
<v Speaker 2>in the background. And I guess what I would say

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02:23:24.360 --> 02:23:26.440
<v Speaker 2>now is that the days of doing stuff in the

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<v Speaker 2>background is no longer. It's it's we cannot continue to

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02:23:32.520 --> 02:23:40.920
<v Speaker 2>support surreptitious support because you're if you're actively also supporting

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<v Speaker 2>in silence.

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<v Speaker 4>And you cannot have hundreds of millions of followers and

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02:23:47.239 --> 02:23:51.440
<v Speaker 4>not use that. It's like said, it's like you have

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<v Speaker 4>this reach. And Muhammed Ali, for example, before social media,

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02:23:55.760 --> 02:23:58.440
<v Speaker 4>and this is what Mayweather has always got frustrated about

2300
02:23:58.559 --> 02:24:00.559
<v Speaker 4>in terms of not being called the great, is that

2301
02:24:00.920 --> 02:24:04.559
<v Speaker 4>most people today, if you see posts about Ali, it's

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<v Speaker 4>not him fighting in the ring.

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02:24:06.159 --> 02:24:11.399
<v Speaker 2>No, it's him with Malcolm X, It's him schooling aponous

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02:24:11.520 --> 02:24:16.719
<v Speaker 2>white interviewer. You know, it's him talking about being a

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02:24:16.760 --> 02:24:23.159
<v Speaker 2>person a faith of character, right of revolutionary radical mindsets

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<v Speaker 2>to this day that to this day, we're the right moves,

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02:24:29.360 --> 02:24:31.239
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean, Like, there's no, there hasn't

2308
02:24:31.280 --> 02:24:36.399
<v Speaker 2>been like some you know, some type of epiphany where

2309
02:24:36.399 --> 02:24:38.479
<v Speaker 2>people are like, man, he made the wrong choice. No,

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02:24:39.159 --> 02:24:42.280
<v Speaker 2>he was actually right the whole time, with.

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<v Speaker 4>His whole chest on prime time right. And this is

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02:24:47.000 --> 02:24:50.760
<v Speaker 4>this is exactly what a Pharral or a jay Z

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02:24:51.239 --> 02:24:54.719
<v Speaker 4>Street you would think this stage in their career, like

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02:24:54.760 --> 02:24:58.159
<v Speaker 4>what are they upholding? What are they play? I get

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02:24:58.239 --> 02:25:01.079
<v Speaker 4>I almost understand playing the game together there, but when

2316
02:25:01.079 --> 02:25:04.639
<v Speaker 4>you are in the room, the whole point is to

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02:25:04.760 --> 02:25:08.840
<v Speaker 4>remember why you wanted to get in that room. Right.

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02:25:08.920 --> 02:25:12.200
<v Speaker 2>But then Jon tried to open a casino in the

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02:25:12.200 --> 02:25:14.879
<v Speaker 2>middle of New York City. So, and people will say,

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02:25:14.920 --> 02:25:17.159
<v Speaker 2>but they also do good things, And I'm just like,

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02:25:17.559 --> 02:25:23.159
<v Speaker 2>why can't you just do good things? Why? Why? Why

2322
02:25:23.200 --> 02:25:27.600
<v Speaker 2>is why is there like a give and take? Why

2323
02:25:27.719 --> 02:25:29.319
<v Speaker 2>why I don't understand that?

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02:25:30.000 --> 02:25:33.280
<v Speaker 4>So and even for the pasign. Now, you know, if

2325
02:25:33.280 --> 02:25:37.040
<v Speaker 4>people say, well, you know, black folks talk about black folks,

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<v Speaker 4>then they should talk about Congo and how about that?

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02:25:40.280 --> 02:25:44.239
<v Speaker 2>Fine? And you can't talk about the Congo and Sudent

2328
02:25:44.680 --> 02:25:46.879
<v Speaker 2>without yes, yes, but.

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<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no, your too. I'm saying to advance, you're

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<v Speaker 4>going from iOS three to iOS fourteen.

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<v Speaker 2>Listen, thank you so much for joining us.

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<v Speaker 4>My pleasure, my pleasure, thank you so much. Just before

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<v Speaker 4>I go, I will say this about Congo. Imagine if

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<v Speaker 4>jay Z, I don't know doctor Dre Pharrell pulled up

2335
02:26:12.520 --> 02:26:16.000
<v Speaker 4>Tim Cook at Apple and said, Tim, you have one

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02:26:16.040 --> 02:26:19.559
<v Speaker 4>trillion dollars cash reserves. It would be a rounding era

2337
02:26:19.799 --> 02:26:22.440
<v Speaker 4>to set up a thirty billion dollar fund to make

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02:26:22.479 --> 02:26:25.840
<v Speaker 4>sure that no child under eighteen is anywhere near the

2339
02:26:25.879 --> 02:26:30.360
<v Speaker 4>mining system, right, to make sure all the schools, hospitals

2340
02:26:30.479 --> 02:26:33.920
<v Speaker 4>are built, roads built, that the best conga lese mines

2341
02:26:33.959 --> 02:26:37.760
<v Speaker 4>in country and in diaspora are leading this charge in

2342
02:26:37.840 --> 02:26:41.120
<v Speaker 4>making sure a country that should be richer than Saudi Arabia,

2343
02:26:42.600 --> 02:26:45.840
<v Speaker 4>that is fueling the future. This Aim Cook would say.

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02:26:47.079 --> 02:26:51.600
<v Speaker 2>Tim Cook would say, I don't have the power because

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02:26:53.000 --> 02:26:57.200
<v Speaker 2>that's and that's the other part is that the people

2346
02:26:57.239 --> 02:26:58.879
<v Speaker 2>that we think are running the show ain't even running

2347
02:26:58.879 --> 02:26:59.680
<v Speaker 2>the goddamn show.

2348
02:27:01.600 --> 02:27:07.559
<v Speaker 4>True. But if you had Lebron jay Z, the people

2349
02:27:07.600 --> 02:27:11.159
<v Speaker 4>that shape culture actually speak in one voice about this thing,

2350
02:27:12.319 --> 02:27:15.319
<v Speaker 4>it will I think it would trying.

2351
02:27:15.200 --> 02:27:17.719
<v Speaker 2>To get into But this is the thing, like I

2352
02:27:17.719 --> 02:27:19.680
<v Speaker 2>don't even want I don't I actually don't want them

2353
02:27:19.680 --> 02:27:24.600
<v Speaker 2>to just speak. Like what what made Princess Diana so

2354
02:27:25.719 --> 02:27:29.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, crazy to the to the monarchy was that

2355
02:27:29.600 --> 02:27:33.680
<v Speaker 2>she physically went mm hmmm, you know, like she physically

2356
02:27:33.680 --> 02:27:36.200
<v Speaker 2>went and spoke to people. She physically went and walked

2357
02:27:36.200 --> 02:27:38.719
<v Speaker 2>through the land mines and apparently Palestine was next on

2358
02:27:38.760 --> 02:27:44.600
<v Speaker 2>her agenda, and they took her out. I believe that

2359
02:27:44.600 --> 02:27:46.840
<v Speaker 2>they took her out. It's alleged, but that's my belief.

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02:27:47.120 --> 02:27:51.639
<v Speaker 2>I say that to say it actually isn't enough for

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02:27:51.760 --> 02:27:54.399
<v Speaker 2>them to just go to Tim Cook. I think that

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02:27:54.440 --> 02:27:57.000
<v Speaker 2>there's something very real about the fact that these people

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02:27:57.079 --> 02:28:01.799
<v Speaker 2>have the money and the safety and the capability to.

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02:28:01.479 --> 02:28:06.840
<v Speaker 4>Bring things to a yeah, to do them. So I

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02:28:06.840 --> 02:28:07.879
<v Speaker 4>forget how wealthy they are.

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02:28:07.959 --> 02:28:13.159
<v Speaker 2>I mean like it's like next level the wealth is

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02:28:13.239 --> 02:28:17.200
<v Speaker 2>next level the wealth reason.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know we're going to go. You're amazing. Are

2369
02:28:19.959 --> 02:28:20.639
<v Speaker 4>you ever in London?

2370
02:28:22.200 --> 02:28:25.239
<v Speaker 2>I would like to be. I would like to be.

2371
02:28:25.280 --> 02:28:28.239
<v Speaker 2>I need to be. I need to be. I need

2372
02:28:28.280 --> 02:28:32.840
<v Speaker 2>to be on more international spaces and whatnot. So I

2373
02:28:32.879 --> 02:28:36.799
<v Speaker 2>am trying to do more podcasts from you know, having

2374
02:28:36.959 --> 02:28:39.479
<v Speaker 2>and not just like in an ambitious mindset but in

2375
02:28:39.559 --> 02:28:42.520
<v Speaker 2>a we need to be having like these cross connection

2376
02:28:42.680 --> 02:28:46.520
<v Speaker 2>cost cultural conversations. Part of what has been so problematic

2377
02:28:46.559 --> 02:28:48.760
<v Speaker 2>in the United States is that we've really been siloed

2378
02:28:49.200 --> 02:28:53.920
<v Speaker 2>and that has limited our ability to be useful for

2379
02:28:54.000 --> 02:28:55.920
<v Speaker 2>not only ourselves but for the world. And so there

2380
02:28:55.959 --> 02:28:59.440
<v Speaker 2>has to be a geopolitical consciousness that is actively pursued.

2381
02:28:59.520 --> 02:29:02.879
<v Speaker 2>So I'm making it my business to try to have

2382
02:29:02.920 --> 02:29:06.639
<v Speaker 2>more conversations outside of the United States sphere. And so

2383
02:29:06.680 --> 02:29:11.399
<v Speaker 2>if you know any podcasts on the international stage that

2384
02:29:11.479 --> 02:29:13.159
<v Speaker 2>you think I should connect with, let me know.

2385
02:29:14.159 --> 02:29:18.120
<v Speaker 4>Of course, of course, thank you for having me. Thank you,

2386
02:29:18.399 --> 02:29:21.879
<v Speaker 4>So I wouldn't say I won't say happy holidays, because

2387
02:29:21.879 --> 02:29:25.479
<v Speaker 4>I genuinely think it is this time where we need

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02:29:25.520 --> 02:29:32.639
<v Speaker 4>to recognize that eighty Congo, Sudan, Palestine, this is the

2389
02:29:32.639 --> 02:29:34.000
<v Speaker 4>time you need to think about what you're going to

2390
02:29:34.079 --> 02:29:37.799
<v Speaker 4>do about it. Whilst you're a home over fed, think

2391
02:29:37.840 --> 02:29:41.959
<v Speaker 4>about it. For me, my film Watermelon Pictures, just follow them.

2392
02:29:41.959 --> 02:29:46.000
<v Speaker 4>They're gonna, you know, show in the chat.

2393
02:29:46.040 --> 02:29:48.319
<v Speaker 2>So he'll put it in the chat again, y'all, And

2394
02:29:48.360 --> 02:29:50.079
<v Speaker 2>thank you so much for the work that you do.

2395
02:29:51.000 --> 02:29:54.600
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, let's let's continue. And sending me to the

2396
02:29:54.600 --> 02:29:58.040
<v Speaker 2>eleven DMS. Let me tell you something. Massan is gonna

2397
02:29:58.040 --> 02:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>send you every.

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02:29:59.559 --> 02:30:03.040
<v Speaker 4>Post so you know, you know, when I meet someone

2399
02:30:03.120 --> 02:30:06.319
<v Speaker 4>that is on my spectrum, I love it right because

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02:30:06.639 --> 02:30:08.520
<v Speaker 4>there's a friend of mine Lisa Morris, so she sends

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02:30:08.559 --> 02:30:12.559
<v Speaker 4>even more than I do. I have. I can't.

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02:30:12.159 --> 02:30:15.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, I just no, no, no. Honestly, when I

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02:30:15.799 --> 02:30:19.840
<v Speaker 2>read you're in your your IG bio today, I was like, oh,

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02:30:20.200 --> 02:30:21.639
<v Speaker 2>that's why.

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02:30:22.040 --> 02:30:25.799
<v Speaker 4>Fully, I'm not trying to that's me trying to limit myself.

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02:30:26.719 --> 02:30:29.319
<v Speaker 2>I respect it. I respect it. I'm telling you. Once

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02:30:29.399 --> 02:30:31.959
<v Speaker 2>I saw the bio today, I was like, oh, I

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02:30:32.040 --> 02:30:37.280
<v Speaker 2>get it now, I understand where a can mine is

2409
02:30:37.319 --> 02:30:40.719
<v Speaker 2>more compartmentalized. I have very specific people that I send

2410
02:30:40.760 --> 02:30:43.440
<v Speaker 2>specific things, Like some people they get all posts that

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02:30:43.479 --> 02:30:46.000
<v Speaker 2>I see about mushrooms. One person he gets anything I

2412
02:30:46.040 --> 02:30:48.280
<v Speaker 2>see about FIREFLI because I know he loves fireflies. My

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02:30:48.319 --> 02:30:51.280
<v Speaker 2>homeboy Luke is going to get anything that is wizards,

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02:30:51.840 --> 02:30:54.600
<v Speaker 2>Lord of the Rings and animals being cool. And it's

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02:30:54.760 --> 02:30:58.120
<v Speaker 2>very very specific. I used to send somebody whales, but

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02:30:58.159 --> 02:31:01.520
<v Speaker 2>they fell off my list, so no more will posts.

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02:31:01.559 --> 02:31:02.520
<v Speaker 2>It just is what it is.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh gosh, well that makes me feel at better.

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02:31:10.520 --> 02:31:13.200
<v Speaker 2>What Oh you felt bad. I'm sorry, apologies. I wasn't

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02:31:13.239 --> 02:31:15.159
<v Speaker 2>trying to I was just kidding. I was just having

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02:31:15.159 --> 02:31:15.760
<v Speaker 2>a laugh.

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<v Speaker 4>You know that. I absolutely love the idea that no

2423
02:31:21.000 --> 02:31:24.600
<v Speaker 4>one can pretend to be who they're not online, Like

2424
02:31:24.680 --> 02:31:26.360
<v Speaker 4>if you look at the behavior of all of us,

2425
02:31:26.479 --> 02:31:29.479
<v Speaker 4>it's us. It's us, right, you know, like it is

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02:31:29.520 --> 02:31:31.680
<v Speaker 4>who you are. And I love when people pretend like

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02:31:31.719 --> 02:31:33.680
<v Speaker 4>they think that they're it's us.

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02:31:33.959 --> 02:31:36.040
<v Speaker 2>They're playing there, they think they're playing five D chess.

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02:31:36.200 --> 02:31:38.040
<v Speaker 4>No, no, no, no, no, it's just you.

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02:31:39.520 --> 02:31:42.079
<v Speaker 2>Excu Well, I'm glad we got to meet digitally. I

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02:31:42.120 --> 02:31:43.520
<v Speaker 2>look forward to us meeting in person.

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02:31:43.600 --> 02:31:44.760
<v Speaker 4>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>I will make it my business to watch the film

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02:31:47.719 --> 02:31:49.760
<v Speaker 2>now that I actually it's like when i'm home, I

2435
02:31:49.760 --> 02:31:51.200
<v Speaker 2>don't get time to do anything. When I'm on the

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02:31:51.239 --> 02:31:53.559
<v Speaker 2>road is when I actually get time because I just

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02:31:54.200 --> 02:31:57.840
<v Speaker 2>between doing things. I'm like, oh, I can watch stuff.

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02:31:57.879 --> 02:32:00.280
<v Speaker 2>So I will be watching the film before.

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02:32:00.200 --> 02:32:02.600
<v Speaker 4>My film watch the Voice of hind Red job please

2440
02:32:02.680 --> 02:32:03.440
<v Speaker 4>please watch.

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02:32:03.239 --> 02:32:12.200
<v Speaker 2>Off noted Jens. We really don't have a lot of

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02:32:12.280 --> 02:32:21.040
<v Speaker 2>time because I have to go somewhere, so I just

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02:32:21.079 --> 02:32:23.079
<v Speaker 2>want to run through some things with you all before

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02:32:23.120 --> 02:32:26.280
<v Speaker 2>we go. Actually, the most important thing I want to run.

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02:32:26.120 --> 02:32:26.479
<v Speaker 4>Through with you.

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02:32:26.520 --> 02:32:32.920
<v Speaker 2>All is Indonesia. So let's just get into because we've

2447
02:32:32.920 --> 02:32:35.440
<v Speaker 2>really covered a lot this show. We've really covered a

2448
02:32:35.440 --> 02:32:41.399
<v Speaker 2>lot safety. I want some news right.

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<v Speaker 11>Now.

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02:33:36.879 --> 02:33:41.600
<v Speaker 2>Climate change is not by accident. It is not natural,

2451
02:33:42.799 --> 02:33:46.440
<v Speaker 2>and that is something that is really being peddled to

2452
02:33:46.639 --> 02:33:50.239
<v Speaker 2>make people feel like it's not their responsibility to be

2453
02:33:50.520 --> 02:33:54.079
<v Speaker 2>challenging the ways in which it is being caused. And

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02:33:54.280 --> 02:33:59.440
<v Speaker 2>it's really disconcerting when you see this footage and you

2455
02:33:59.600 --> 02:34:04.040
<v Speaker 2>understand stand that it can be prevented. The fossil fuel

2456
02:34:04.079 --> 02:34:06.520
<v Speaker 2>industry is what is causing what is happening, and I

2457
02:34:06.559 --> 02:34:10.000
<v Speaker 2>don't think people understand that it's really a two plus

2458
02:34:10.000 --> 02:34:12.239
<v Speaker 2>two thing. You don't have to be a scientist, it's

2459
02:34:12.319 --> 02:34:17.120
<v Speaker 2>not complicated. It's really something very basic. When we burn

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02:34:17.200 --> 02:34:25.360
<v Speaker 2>fossil fuels, it releases gases into our ecosystem that warm

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02:34:25.719 --> 02:34:31.360
<v Speaker 2>up the space between the Earth and the atmosphere, and

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02:34:31.440 --> 02:34:37.639
<v Speaker 2>that warmth can usually be mitigated. However, because it's happening

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02:34:37.680 --> 02:34:42.440
<v Speaker 2>in such great numbers, it's causing the Earth to mitigate

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02:34:43.280 --> 02:34:47.559
<v Speaker 2>in ways that are causing all of this disaster. So

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02:34:47.680 --> 02:34:51.280
<v Speaker 2>the ways that the Earth is responding to this in

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02:34:51.360 --> 02:34:54.719
<v Speaker 2>order to allow it to exist. Are what's causing the

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02:34:54.799 --> 02:35:01.000
<v Speaker 2>harm to all of the people and animals. The Earth

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02:35:01.120 --> 02:35:06.760
<v Speaker 2>is trying to survive. It is literally being beaten down

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02:35:07.120 --> 02:35:11.959
<v Speaker 2>by human action. I want to show you this video

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02:35:12.239 --> 02:35:14.120
<v Speaker 2>by James Hansen.

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02:35:14.159 --> 02:35:16.879
<v Speaker 4>Who is a foster society.

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<v Speaker 22>Our governments are forcing the public to subsidize fossil fuels

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02:35:23.559 --> 02:35:28.360
<v Speaker 22>by four hundred to five hundred billion dollars per year worldwide,

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02:35:28.959 --> 02:35:34.200
<v Speaker 22>thus encouraging extraction of every fossil fuel mountaintop removal, long

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02:35:34.280 --> 02:35:39.360
<v Speaker 22>wall mining, fracking, tarsans, tar shale, deep ocean arctic drilling.

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02:35:40.360 --> 02:35:45.079
<v Speaker 22>This path, if continued, guarantees that we will pass tipping

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02:35:45.120 --> 02:35:48.680
<v Speaker 22>points leading to ice sheet disintegration that will accelerate out

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02:35:48.719 --> 02:35:53.319
<v Speaker 22>of control of future generations. A large fraction of species

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<v Speaker 22>will be committed to extinction, and increasing intensity of droughts

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02:35:57.520 --> 02:36:01.040
<v Speaker 22>in floods will severely impact bread baskets of the world,

2481
02:36:01.200 --> 02:36:10.120
<v Speaker 22>causing massive famines and economic decline. Imagine a giant asteroid

2482
02:36:10.360 --> 02:36:14.479
<v Speaker 22>on a direct collision course with Earth that is the

2483
02:36:14.520 --> 02:36:20.479
<v Speaker 22>equivalent of what we face now, Yet we dither, taking

2484
02:36:20.520 --> 02:36:25.200
<v Speaker 22>no action to divert the asteroid, even though the longer

2485
02:36:25.239 --> 02:36:29.719
<v Speaker 22>we wait, the more difficult and expensive it becomes. If

2486
02:36:29.760 --> 02:36:32.159
<v Speaker 22>we'd started in two thousand and five, it would have

2487
02:36:32.200 --> 02:36:35.920
<v Speaker 22>required emission reductions of three percent per year to restore

2488
02:36:36.000 --> 02:36:41.079
<v Speaker 22>planetary energy balance and stabilize climate this century. If we

2489
02:36:41.120 --> 02:36:45.000
<v Speaker 22>start next year, it is six percent per year. If

2490
02:36:45.040 --> 02:36:47.840
<v Speaker 22>we wait ten years, it is fifteen percent per year.

2491
02:36:47.920 --> 02:36:50.959
<v Speaker 22>Extremely difficult and expensive, perhaps impossible.

2492
02:36:52.239 --> 02:36:53.399
<v Speaker 4>But we aren't even starting.

2493
02:36:55.399 --> 02:36:58.440
<v Speaker 22>So now you know what I know that is moving

2494
02:36:58.520 --> 02:37:02.440
<v Speaker 22>me to sound this alarm. Clearly, I haven't got this

2495
02:37:02.600 --> 02:37:08.280
<v Speaker 22>message across. The science is clear. I need your help

2496
02:37:08.440 --> 02:37:12.399
<v Speaker 22>to communicate the gravity and the urgency of this situation

2497
02:37:12.639 --> 02:37:17.360
<v Speaker 22>and its solutions more effectively. We owe it to our

2498
02:37:17.440 --> 02:37:18.639
<v Speaker 22>children and grandchildren.

2499
02:37:19.120 --> 02:37:29.200
<v Speaker 4>Thank you, y'all. That was.

2500
02:37:31.319 --> 02:38:06.840
<v Speaker 2>From twelve years ago. Twelve years ago, that's crazy. Hold on, anyways,

2501
02:38:11.319 --> 02:38:19.920
<v Speaker 2>this is not something that's happening by accident. And this

2502
02:38:20.079 --> 02:38:24.079
<v Speaker 2>was twelve years ago, and look it's happening right now still.

2503
02:38:24.120 --> 02:38:27.639
<v Speaker 2>The Trump EPA removes all mention of human caused climate

2504
02:38:27.680 --> 02:38:38.440
<v Speaker 2>crisis from public web pages. This is disinformation, misinformation, and

2505
02:38:41.440 --> 02:38:48.120
<v Speaker 2>I don't know how we can I don't know how

2506
02:38:48.159 --> 02:38:54.280
<v Speaker 2>we can really challenge it unless we really begin to

2507
02:38:54.440 --> 02:39:00.239
<v Speaker 2>understand it in a really like real way. And so

2508
02:39:00.360 --> 02:39:04.040
<v Speaker 2>part of the understanding it in a real way also

2509
02:39:04.319 --> 02:39:06.760
<v Speaker 2>is in how we understand the land, and I will

2510
02:39:06.799 --> 02:39:12.639
<v Speaker 2>bring us back to the necessity of indigenous knowledge. And

2511
02:39:12.680 --> 02:39:17.559
<v Speaker 2>it's not some woo woo concept. It is a actual

2512
02:39:19.079 --> 02:39:20.159
<v Speaker 2>way of caring.

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02:39:20.280 --> 02:39:23.559
<v Speaker 23>If we take care of the land, the land takes

2514
02:39:23.559 --> 02:39:28.639
<v Speaker 23>care of us. This is about a relationship, a mutual

2515
02:39:28.680 --> 02:39:32.040
<v Speaker 23>love story. It's not an accident that eighty percent of

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02:39:32.040 --> 02:39:35.479
<v Speaker 23>the world's remaining bio diversity are located on lands managed

2517
02:39:35.520 --> 02:39:40.000
<v Speaker 23>and loved by indigenous peoples. We have been in relationships

2518
02:39:40.000 --> 02:39:42.799
<v Speaker 23>with the plants and animals of our territories and waters

2519
02:39:42.799 --> 02:39:43.600
<v Speaker 23>for millennia.

2520
02:39:44.639 --> 02:39:46.399
<v Speaker 8>We care for each other poorly.

2521
02:39:46.840 --> 02:39:50.600
<v Speaker 23>We have values, inside, strategies and knowledge to offer to

2522
02:39:50.639 --> 02:39:53.159
<v Speaker 23>the rest of the global community with respect to how

2523
02:39:53.159 --> 02:39:55.959
<v Speaker 23>to be a part of and care for our environment.

2524
02:39:57.120 --> 02:40:01.399
<v Speaker 23>This knowledge is essential right now. Can help people and

2525
02:40:01.479 --> 02:40:06.479
<v Speaker 23>the land heal from ecological crises and colonization, It can

2526
02:40:06.479 --> 02:40:09.680
<v Speaker 23>help restore the planet, and it can help save us all.

2527
02:40:10.719 --> 02:40:14.520
<v Speaker 23>By fully respecting and acknowledging Indigenous led approaches to the land,

2528
02:40:14.920 --> 02:40:19.159
<v Speaker 23>we can help create a better future for all.

2529
02:40:19.280 --> 02:40:23.879
<v Speaker 2>So that is Valerie courtois. She is a national leader

2530
02:40:23.879 --> 02:40:27.120
<v Speaker 2>in Canada and the Indigenous led conservation and steward and

2531
02:40:27.159 --> 02:40:32.120
<v Speaker 2>stewardship movement, and she is a part of the First Nations,

2532
02:40:32.399 --> 02:40:36.879
<v Speaker 2>And you know, I would say that the Canadian First

2533
02:40:36.959 --> 02:40:39.760
<v Speaker 2>Nations folks, they really are leading the charge in this.

2534
02:40:39.920 --> 02:40:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I just saw an article and I'll talk about it

2535
02:40:41.879 --> 02:40:46.760
<v Speaker 2>on Instagram and I'm Patreon about an actual Native American

2536
02:40:46.799 --> 02:40:49.399
<v Speaker 2>group in the United States getting an ICE contract to

2537
02:40:49.959 --> 02:40:54.600
<v Speaker 2>actually create detention centers. And I just I had to

2538
02:40:54.639 --> 02:40:57.799
<v Speaker 2>take a nap. I'm just like, what are we talking about?

2539
02:40:58.799 --> 02:41:04.319
<v Speaker 2>What are we talking about? So I just want to

2540
02:41:04.520 --> 02:41:07.319
<v Speaker 2>I want to continue to get our knowledge base up

2541
02:41:08.760 --> 02:41:14.159
<v Speaker 2>on how we are understanding the climate crisis and how

2542
02:41:14.200 --> 02:41:18.360
<v Speaker 2>we are fighting it, because it's not something that is

2543
02:41:18.399 --> 02:41:23.079
<v Speaker 2>just happening in a microcosm. It's happening all over. We're

2544
02:41:23.079 --> 02:41:26.040
<v Speaker 2>seeing it, whether it's in floods, orange roughts, we're seeing it,

2545
02:41:26.079 --> 02:41:32.000
<v Speaker 2>whether it's in entire ecosystems losing all of by biodiversity

2546
02:41:32.399 --> 02:41:38.360
<v Speaker 2>or including coral reefs dying being bleached. So you know,

2547
02:41:38.399 --> 02:41:43.399
<v Speaker 2>we really are not realistically about about it if we're

2548
02:41:43.479 --> 02:41:47.319
<v Speaker 2>not including that in our activism, in our organizing, and

2549
02:41:47.399 --> 02:41:52.159
<v Speaker 2>in our ways of interacting with this world. So I

2550
02:41:52.280 --> 02:41:53.840
<v Speaker 2>want to make sure that we're getting up on that

2551
02:41:54.200 --> 02:41:58.600
<v Speaker 2>quick note on Luigi Luigi, things are looking up for

2552
02:41:58.680 --> 02:42:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Luigi because it looks like Luigi is actually y'all, they

2553
02:42:06.879 --> 02:42:13.319
<v Speaker 2>played themselves when it comes to Luigi, because real quick,

2554
02:42:13.440 --> 02:42:18.479
<v Speaker 2>because I do need to go. There was a cop

2555
02:42:19.079 --> 02:42:22.520
<v Speaker 2>who just showed up at the scene for Luigi. Okay,

2556
02:42:22.840 --> 02:42:28.399
<v Speaker 2>she wasn't actually a part of the original investigation. She

2557
02:42:28.559 --> 02:42:36.159
<v Speaker 2>just showed up. And then she leaves, takes his backpack,

2558
02:42:37.840 --> 02:42:43.920
<v Speaker 2>and it turns off her camera for eleven minutes.

2559
02:42:45.639 --> 02:42:58.680
<v Speaker 12>And one second.

2560
02:43:04.360 --> 02:43:06.959
<v Speaker 2>Turns off his camera, turns off for camera for eleven minutes,

2561
02:43:07.280 --> 02:43:12.639
<v Speaker 2>meets up with some other cop. Okay, meets up with

2562
02:43:12.680 --> 02:43:17.879
<v Speaker 2>some other cop. Camera turns back on. Now they showed

2563
02:43:17.959 --> 02:43:22.040
<v Speaker 2>up at the precinct and there's a gun and a

2564
02:43:22.040 --> 02:43:27.159
<v Speaker 2>manifesto that's all of a sudden surprise in the backpack.

2565
02:43:30.840 --> 02:43:33.840
<v Speaker 2>Then they put out this footage of him giving a

2566
02:43:33.840 --> 02:43:45.040
<v Speaker 2>fake name when he's encountered by the cops, and yeah, okay. Also,

2567
02:43:45.760 --> 02:43:50.440
<v Speaker 2>he don't got the brows. The brows don't line up.

2568
02:43:51.520 --> 02:43:55.920
<v Speaker 2>The person who was in that video didn't have hair

2569
02:43:56.040 --> 02:44:04.840
<v Speaker 2>between the eyes. Bro the setup, bro, this is basic basic.

2570
02:44:05.399 --> 02:44:11.159
<v Speaker 2>He also never was read his rights. He was like

2571
02:44:11.239 --> 02:44:13.520
<v Speaker 2>questioned for twenty minutes before he was read his rights.

2572
02:44:13.719 --> 02:44:17.879
<v Speaker 2>There's further footage where they're literally debating whether a warrant

2573
02:44:17.959 --> 02:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>was needed to search his belongings. What again? This lady

2574
02:44:28.000 --> 02:44:32.639
<v Speaker 2>who took it was her? She wore blue medical gloves.

2575
02:44:32.719 --> 02:44:36.360
<v Speaker 2>She showed up with blue medical gloves and a detailed

2576
02:44:36.399 --> 02:44:41.280
<v Speaker 2>defense lawyer Say suggests that she planned to search the

2577
02:44:41.360 --> 02:44:47.159
<v Speaker 2>bag again and knew what she might find. In her testimony,

2578
02:44:47.239 --> 02:44:50.840
<v Speaker 2>she testifies that she took eleven minutes to make a

2579
02:44:50.920 --> 02:44:54.680
<v Speaker 2>nine minute drive and claimed she made a stop to

2580
02:44:54.799 --> 02:44:59.680
<v Speaker 2>retrieve a McDonald's bag. So, actually, I correct myself. It

2581
02:44:59.719 --> 02:45:03.000
<v Speaker 2>wasn't backpack. She had the backpack she retrieved at McDonald's

2582
02:45:03.000 --> 02:45:05.079
<v Speaker 2>back from another officer. But y'all, she said she couldn't

2583
02:45:05.079 --> 02:45:08.719
<v Speaker 2>remember who the officer was, and she couldn't remember where

2584
02:45:08.760 --> 02:45:27.360
<v Speaker 2>she met him. You know what, Free Luigi, Yeah, free Luigi.

2585
02:45:28.479 --> 02:45:30.879
<v Speaker 2>The long way you heard me.

2586
02:45:33.840 --> 02:45:40.840
<v Speaker 12>As a.

2587
02:45:50.079 --> 02:45:52.840
<v Speaker 2>You know, people say things to me quite often about

2588
02:45:53.360 --> 02:45:56.920
<v Speaker 2>how I am supposed to exist as a leader. They'll

2589
02:45:56.920 --> 02:45:58.600
<v Speaker 2>tell me that this is what a leader would do.

2590
02:45:59.680 --> 02:46:01.280
<v Speaker 2>If you or a leader, you would tell us who

2591
02:46:01.280 --> 02:46:04.600
<v Speaker 2>to vote for. If you were a leader, you would

2592
02:46:04.639 --> 02:46:09.000
<v Speaker 2>tell us how to process your information. If you were

2593
02:46:09.040 --> 02:46:13.120
<v Speaker 2>a leader, you wouldn't just give us information without solutions.

2594
02:46:16.680 --> 02:46:19.959
<v Speaker 2>And I find this fascinating because one of the key

2595
02:46:20.520 --> 02:46:29.799
<v Speaker 2>elements of educating is allowing students to critically think, to

2596
02:46:29.920 --> 02:46:38.040
<v Speaker 2>come up with results, to identify solutions. We have lived

2597
02:46:38.079 --> 02:46:41.879
<v Speaker 2>in a nation that is overmanaged. Everybody has a manager,

2598
02:46:43.159 --> 02:46:49.000
<v Speaker 2>everybody has a boss, everybody has a director, everybody has

2599
02:46:49.000 --> 02:46:53.200
<v Speaker 2>protocols and policies and directives, and you know, all these

2600
02:46:53.239 --> 02:47:00.600
<v Speaker 2>instructions all the time that are literally alleviating you from

2601
02:47:00.639 --> 02:47:06.639
<v Speaker 2>having to think, to the point where constantly when I

2602
02:47:06.680 --> 02:47:09.959
<v Speaker 2>am working folks, when I'm working with folks, we have

2603
02:47:10.079 --> 02:47:16.840
<v Speaker 2>to tell them, just do what you think is best.

2604
02:47:18.600 --> 02:47:25.520
<v Speaker 2>And so we find ourselves as a nation crippled by

2605
02:47:25.600 --> 02:47:32.280
<v Speaker 2>weaponized incompetence. So often folks are literally weaponizing their incompetence

2606
02:47:32.319 --> 02:47:38.399
<v Speaker 2>with insults to me, mad that I am not responding

2607
02:47:39.280 --> 02:47:44.680
<v Speaker 2>to their perceived incompetence by letting them by telling them

2608
02:47:44.680 --> 02:47:48.319
<v Speaker 2>what to do. No, I will not tell you what

2609
02:47:48.399 --> 02:47:52.879
<v Speaker 2>to do, because there has to be a stop. You know,

2610
02:47:52.920 --> 02:47:56.479
<v Speaker 2>when you take antibiotics, if you don't finish the run

2611
02:47:56.520 --> 02:48:04.280
<v Speaker 2>of antibiotics, you become obstinate to the added antibiotics. Your

2612
02:48:04.319 --> 02:48:10.120
<v Speaker 2>body starts to build up a of course, I can't

2613
02:48:10.120 --> 02:48:11.920
<v Speaker 2>think of the word because I'm so fucking hungry, But

2614
02:48:11.959 --> 02:48:16.959
<v Speaker 2>your body builds up A say the word for me, y'all,

2615
02:48:17.000 --> 02:48:19.239
<v Speaker 2>what's the word put in the chat? Somebody knows the words?

2616
02:48:19.280 --> 02:48:24.799
<v Speaker 2>Your body builds up a come on, somebody, no resistance,

2617
02:48:24.840 --> 02:48:28.200
<v Speaker 2>thank you. Your body wills up a resistance to the antibiotic.

2618
02:48:29.399 --> 02:48:32.600
<v Speaker 2>What the antibiotic is doing is coming into your body,

2619
02:48:32.920 --> 02:48:37.680
<v Speaker 2>and it is filling your body with antibodies that are

2620
02:48:37.719 --> 02:48:40.639
<v Speaker 2>supposed to fight off the thing. If you don't finish

2621
02:48:40.719 --> 02:48:45.159
<v Speaker 2>the antibiotic, then instead of your body welcoming in those

2622
02:48:45.200 --> 02:48:50.799
<v Speaker 2>antibioty antibodies and them then dissipating when they're done, your

2623
02:48:50.840 --> 02:48:54.840
<v Speaker 2>body starts to actually like interact with those antibioties. Antibiodies.

2624
02:48:54.879 --> 02:48:57.879
<v Speaker 2>Your body starts to interact with those antibodies. And now

2625
02:48:58.239 --> 02:48:59.799
<v Speaker 2>it is not going to be as effective the next

2626
02:48:59.840 --> 02:49:02.200
<v Speaker 2>time because your body is like, oh, we know these niggaves.

2627
02:49:02.680 --> 02:49:09.200
<v Speaker 2>We got that we have been affected by a psychological

2628
02:49:09.239 --> 02:49:15.200
<v Speaker 2>operation that operates like antibodies. It has been so consistently

2629
02:49:15.239 --> 02:49:27.319
<v Speaker 2>disseminated within us for such consistent runs that that we

2630
02:49:27.440 --> 02:49:37.159
<v Speaker 2>are unable what is happening that is preventing us hold on,

2631
02:49:38.959 --> 02:49:43.200
<v Speaker 2>that is preventing us from being able to actually be

2632
02:49:43.360 --> 02:49:49.920
<v Speaker 2>in resistance. So we need to resist the influx. We

2633
02:49:49.959 --> 02:49:53.479
<v Speaker 2>need to resist the constant necessity to be told what

2634
02:49:53.559 --> 02:49:56.840
<v Speaker 2>to do and ask ourselves why are we doing something?

2635
02:49:57.239 --> 02:50:01.000
<v Speaker 2>What are we doing? We have to change the way

2636
02:50:01.040 --> 02:50:05.799
<v Speaker 2>our brains function. We have to start asking why. If

2637
02:50:05.799 --> 02:50:08.319
<v Speaker 2>you're telling me that I'm supposed to tell you who

2638
02:50:08.360 --> 02:50:13.040
<v Speaker 2>to vote for, then you have already now given over

2639
02:50:13.479 --> 02:50:16.600
<v Speaker 2>yourself to follow me blindly, which you should absolutely not

2640
02:50:16.680 --> 02:50:21.479
<v Speaker 2>be doing. You should be asking why. And if I'm

2641
02:50:21.520 --> 02:50:25.239
<v Speaker 2>telling you why somebody is not a candidate worth supporting,

2642
02:50:25.479 --> 02:50:28.840
<v Speaker 2>you have built into the complaint what your next action

2643
02:50:28.959 --> 02:50:31.879
<v Speaker 2>should be. And if you cannot figure out what your

2644
02:50:31.920 --> 02:50:34.920
<v Speaker 2>next action should be, you should be asking yourself why

2645
02:50:34.959 --> 02:50:36.879
<v Speaker 2>you don't know what the next action should be, not

2646
02:50:37.079 --> 02:50:41.280
<v Speaker 2>asking me why I'm not telling you. I am not

2647
02:50:41.399 --> 02:50:47.280
<v Speaker 2>telling you because I want to foster brains that function beyond.

2648
02:50:49.120 --> 02:50:51.239
<v Speaker 2>I am not telling you because I want to foster

2649
02:50:51.319 --> 02:51:00.200
<v Speaker 2>brains that function beyond. Colonization and colonized minds are drones.

2650
02:51:01.079 --> 02:51:07.319
<v Speaker 2>Colonize minds move because they were told to move. Colonized

2651
02:51:07.360 --> 02:51:10.760
<v Speaker 2>minds don't understand why they're moving, and they don't care.

2652
02:51:12.159 --> 02:51:17.399
<v Speaker 2>They just want to feel safe. But you need to

2653
02:51:17.719 --> 02:51:21.920
<v Speaker 2>know that you are safe. And the only way to

2654
02:51:22.000 --> 02:51:26.200
<v Speaker 2>do that is to have your own thoughts and your

2655
02:51:26.280 --> 02:51:31.000
<v Speaker 2>own capability of understanding. And that is the type of

2656
02:51:31.079 --> 02:51:45.600
<v Speaker 2>leadership that I am trying to instill in you. A

2657
02:51:45.600 --> 02:51:48.280
<v Speaker 2>All right, y'all, it's time to go. We need to

2658
02:51:48.319 --> 02:51:56.879
<v Speaker 2>eat something, and yes, Adrian to arg yesterday, we have done.

2659
02:51:57.600 --> 02:52:01.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm going to make sure to create the link for

2660
02:52:01.239 --> 02:52:04.520
<v Speaker 2>Adreon so all of my subscribers come on over and

2661
02:52:04.639 --> 02:52:07.920
<v Speaker 2>be a part of the after you have not been

2662
02:52:07.959 --> 02:52:16.239
<v Speaker 2>a part of the play. All right, So thank you

2663
02:52:16.239 --> 02:52:17.920
<v Speaker 2>to miss and Harriman for joining. Thank you, of course

2664
02:52:17.920 --> 02:52:20.200
<v Speaker 2>for Savvy Savas joining. I hope that you guys learned

2665
02:52:20.200 --> 02:52:22.719
<v Speaker 2>as much as I did today because it was definitely

2666
02:52:22.799 --> 02:52:25.239
<v Speaker 2>another educational one, which is my favorite kind of show.

2667
02:52:25.520 --> 02:52:28.120
<v Speaker 2>I will be in Houston, okay, I'm going to be

2668
02:52:28.120 --> 02:52:30.360
<v Speaker 2>in Houston tonight. I will be in New Orleans tomorrow.

2669
02:52:30.440 --> 02:52:33.239
<v Speaker 2>I will be in Atlanta on Saturday. All my at aliens,

2670
02:52:33.239 --> 02:52:35.639
<v Speaker 2>can you please actually let me turn off the music

2671
02:52:35.639 --> 02:52:37.239
<v Speaker 2>so I can make sure y'all hear this all my

2672
02:52:37.319 --> 02:52:41.319
<v Speaker 2>at aliens. Can you please get your RSVPs in Okay,

2673
02:52:41.760 --> 02:52:43.879
<v Speaker 2>go to a Manland Exports or go to Amanda Sales

2674
02:52:43.920 --> 02:52:47.040
<v Speaker 2>dot com and get your r vps in to come

2675
02:52:47.040 --> 02:52:49.959
<v Speaker 2>on through. And I'll be in Dallas on Sunday, so

2676
02:52:50.040 --> 02:52:51.559
<v Speaker 2>make sure that you come and join me for this

2677
02:52:51.559 --> 02:52:53.680
<v Speaker 2>mission driven book tour. For what would the ancestors say?

2678
02:52:54.559 --> 02:52:57.799
<v Speaker 2>I wish you all a fabulous rest of your day.

2679
02:52:58.639 --> 02:53:03.760
<v Speaker 2>And let's see, do I even have thirty sixty second headlines?

2680
02:53:03.840 --> 02:53:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean, are thirty seconds of stillness? I don't even know.

2681
02:53:07.760 --> 02:53:10.079
<v Speaker 2>I don't forgot my hard drive. I'm just out here.

2682
02:53:12.799 --> 02:53:21.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm just out here, and I'm pretty sure that I

2683
02:53:21.920 --> 02:53:31.120
<v Speaker 2>don't have a six thirty seconds of stillness. Damn you

2684
02:53:31.159 --> 02:53:32.959
<v Speaker 2>know it's killing me. So this is gonna be the

2685
02:53:32.959 --> 02:53:36.639
<v Speaker 2>first time that we don't have it. No, no, no,

2686
02:53:36.920 --> 02:53:38.760
<v Speaker 2>I can't. I can't look like that we're gonna have

2687
02:53:38.799 --> 02:53:41.760
<v Speaker 2>a thirty seconds of stillness. Hold on, hold on, talk

2688
02:53:41.760 --> 02:53:47.959
<v Speaker 2>amongst yourselves. The bonus question is what is leadership to you?

2689
02:53:48.360 --> 02:53:52.479
<v Speaker 2>That's the bonus question. What is leadership to you? Because

2690
02:53:52.559 --> 02:53:54.559
<v Speaker 2>I feel like people don't even know what that word

2691
02:53:54.600 --> 02:53:56.920
<v Speaker 2>means at this point. They just be saying it, But

2692
02:53:56.959 --> 02:54:02.479
<v Speaker 2>they don't necessarily actually know what is leadership. They think

2693
02:54:02.520 --> 02:54:05.520
<v Speaker 2>that it's someone telling them what to do and them

2694
02:54:05.600 --> 02:54:09.600
<v Speaker 2>not having to think. I don't agree with that as

2695
02:54:10.040 --> 02:54:16.360
<v Speaker 2>as necessarily leadership. I consider that to be well dictatorship.

2696
02:54:17.360 --> 02:54:25.319
<v Speaker 2>You're being dictated too, and I don't think that that's useful. Right,

2697
02:54:26.000 --> 02:54:35.920
<v Speaker 2>So what do you all think? Let's get into We're

2698
02:54:35.959 --> 02:54:37.600
<v Speaker 2>going to get into a thirty seconds of stillness by

2699
02:54:37.600 --> 02:54:40.239
<v Speaker 2>hook or by crook. You hear me, by hook or

2700
02:54:40.280 --> 02:54:43.360
<v Speaker 2>by freakin crook?

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02:54:46.319 --> 02:54:47.120
<v Speaker 12>Where is it at?

2702
02:54:50.399 --> 02:54:57.360
<v Speaker 2>Do I even have the graphic and hear y'all? All right?

2703
02:54:57.399 --> 02:55:01.520
<v Speaker 2>Well you'll get this is the acapella thirty oh here

2704
02:55:01.520 --> 02:55:13.559
<v Speaker 2>it is boom thirty seconds, Ucy names damn Okay, now

2705
02:55:13.559 --> 02:55:21.600
<v Speaker 2>I gotta do it again. Thirty seconds Ucy names.

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<v Speaker 3>A man loved Amen, amen, no.

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<v Speaker 4>No, not fine. End