Speaker 1: Topical.
Speaker 2: And the first thing that all of these fascists do
Speaker 2: is burn books. And I read somewhere that it's not
Speaker 2: that they're burning books because they want to destroy art.
Speaker 2: It's not that they're burning books because they want to
Speaker 2: disrupt history. They're burning books because they want to destroy memory.
Speaker 2: They want to destroy the memory of what was there
Speaker 2: before they got there, so that folks will not fight
Speaker 2: to get it back. I start with the fact that
Speaker 2: it's not about being black, it's about being people. And
Speaker 2: you know, Malcolm went all the way Samantha to figure
Speaker 2: that out, and so that was a journey he did,
Speaker 2: so I don't got to go to back up and
Speaker 2: figure that out. Now we have media companies that claim
Speaker 2: to be black media peddling a concept that questioning is problematic.
Speaker 2: I'm cutting out your words. Now, let's still yes the
Speaker 2: thing you're doing to get to the thing you're doing.
Speaker 2: And I asked myself, but what can we take control of?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: So if I feel like I don't have control of that,
Speaker 2: then I start mapping a car. So I'm somebody who
Speaker 2: thinks in a very practical fashion, like I'm very utilitarian,
Speaker 2: and like, okay, how can we see that down the line.
Speaker 2: But I'm also an artist, so I'm like imaginative in
Speaker 2: what that can be. And I know that for a
Speaker 2: lot of us we are stuck to a grid of
Speaker 2: only what we have seen is possible versus what we
Speaker 2: can create possibility from which, by the way, as Black people,
Speaker 2: that's actually uncharacteristic of us. We are innovative people. We
Speaker 2: are the descendant of actual Homo sapiens, like the ones
Speaker 2: who made it possible for us to be possible. I
Speaker 2: have a master's degree in African American studies, but I
Speaker 2: don't realize the proximity with which things happened in the sixties.
Speaker 2: In my mind they exist as these separate, siloed events,
Speaker 2: when in actuality they have been in a rapid succession.
Speaker 2: I have a master's degree in African American studies, but
Speaker 2: I cannot tell you the contents of the nineteen sixty
Speaker 2: five Building Rightsack. I can't tell you the contents of
Speaker 2: the nineteen sixty four Civil Rights Act, and I can't
Speaker 2: tell you how it was gutted, no matter how tapped
Speaker 2: in I thought I was. I was left out, and
Speaker 2: I had to check myself and get over myself and
Speaker 2: step in Houston New Orleans, Dallas, Atlanta. My what was
Speaker 2: the ancestor say? Mission driven book tours, come in your way,
Speaker 2: come on out, be in community, buy a book and
Speaker 2: get it signed. RSVP at Amanda Seals dot com. I
Speaker 2: don't know what's going on, but uh, I don't think
Speaker 2: we've ever at any point only had one hundred and
Speaker 2: twenty one people in here. But good morning to you regardless,
Speaker 2: welcome to views for amandolin your news and truth by
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Speaker 4: That you.
Speaker 2: Aren't getting notifications, I suggest actually setting an alarm in
Speaker 2: your phone, because depending on these apps to notify you
Speaker 2: when someone they are against is going to be talking
Speaker 2: is counter intuitive. Like it literally doesn't. It doesn't make sense,
Speaker 2: you know. So like I've I've been shadow band I've
Speaker 2: been shadow banded for years now, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So y'all know that I've been shadow banned for years,
Speaker 2: So it doesn't make sense. It really is just about
Speaker 2: us continuously having to work around things like this. I'm
Speaker 2: staying at a place where the Internet is sketch. Everything
Speaker 2: about it is sketched, to be quite honest, but nonetheless
Speaker 2: we'll work through it. So Shout out to everybody who
Speaker 2: is here with us. We have a really great show today.
Speaker 2: We have Sabby Sabs joining us, we have miss and
Speaker 2: Harriman joining us, so we're going to be getting into
Speaker 2: a lot of things. I know that people want to
Speaker 2: know my thoughts on Jasmine Crockett. I also want to
Speaker 2: talk about climate change, which I just really want to
Speaker 2: challenge myself to make sure that we talk about every
Speaker 2: single week because I just I really have not been
Speaker 2: putting enough into that. So looking forward, we will be
Speaker 2: doing that on a regular basis. And I also want
Speaker 2: to talk to you guys about Luigi and update you
Speaker 2: on what's going on with him. It's actually, it's actually
Speaker 2: very momentous. It's not just nothing. So I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: giving you all some insight into that. And I am
Speaker 2: so annoyed by the fact that there's only one hundred
Speaker 2: and forty nine people. I am genuinely irritated by this.
Speaker 2: But it's fine, it's fine. It's fine. It's fine. It's fine,
Speaker 2: it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine, it's fine.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Houston. I will be in Houston tonight
Speaker 2: and I will actually be at Las Pegras, which is
Speaker 2: a coffee shop owned by one of our Amanda Landers. Yay,
Speaker 2: let me give an applause for that. So looking forward
Speaker 2: to seeing you guys in the UH in the Age
Speaker 2: town and I will also be in New Orleans tomorrow
Speaker 2: and then in Atlanta on Saturday and in Dallas on Sunday.
Speaker 2: And let me get my water. I'm actually really tired
Speaker 2: and haven't eaten so great and uh, what was I
Speaker 2: gonna say? I forgot what I was going to say. Anyways,
Speaker 2: thank you freedom for Sudan. You know, I I was
Speaker 2: about to be leaning into just being comfy all the time,
Speaker 2: like and I was like, I'm just about to be
Speaker 2: comfy all the time, Like that's what I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: on I'm just gonna be comfy all the time. But
Speaker 2: then I had to like clean out my closet because
Speaker 2: I can't fit a lot of it, and in doing so,
Speaker 2: I was like, you're to fly to let all this go.
Speaker 2: So y'all are going to be getting fashions again. Y'all
Speaker 2: are beginning. Y'all are going to be getting fashions again.
Speaker 2: So just giving you a heads up that I I
Speaker 2: am back with that. Someone said is that a set. No,
Speaker 2: it's not a set. It's just a white gene. I
Speaker 2: just felt like I needed to be pure. So there's that.
Speaker 2: But let's find out where everybody is and uh do
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Speaker 2: The chat is moving slow because of the Internet, and
Speaker 2: thus we are out of here. I also still am
Speaker 2: pissed at why there's only one hundred and eighty eighty
Speaker 2: eight people here. I just be feeling like like there's
Speaker 2: a there's a greater suppression happening, and I don't like it, right,
Speaker 2: I don't like it. I don't like it at all.
Speaker 2: But let's get into our word.
Speaker 6: Of the day.
Speaker 2: And you know, I'm not home, so like I don't
Speaker 2: have like my whole shit together, So just paw in me, Okay,
Speaker 2: paw in me. I'm also in a different time zone, like
Speaker 2: I just have a lot of excuses, to be quite honest.
Speaker 2: I had dinner last night. I went out last night,
Speaker 2: and the dinner wasn't y'all. I mean it was good,
Speaker 2: like in terms of like I was with my homegirl,
Speaker 2: but like the actual food itself, it wasn't. It wasn't hidden,
Speaker 2: and so I had to really force myself to try
Speaker 2: to eat it. But it wasn't hidden, and so I
Speaker 2: woke up hungry. At this point, I feel like I
Speaker 2: have a tapeworm because I'm just always hungry and I
Speaker 2: don't understand what that's really about. I also blame everything
Speaker 2: on perimenopause at this point, so I'm just gonna blame
Speaker 2: it on that. So our word of the day is mycology.
Speaker 2: It's the branch of biology dedicated to studying fungi, including yeasts, molds,
Speaker 2: and mushrooms. Now, I know that this seems like a
Speaker 2: very specific word, but I want you to use your
Speaker 2: what is this? Okay? So Streamyard be ad and shit
Speaker 2: that I don't even understand. Why is it only letting
Speaker 2: it stay up for ten seconds? Say? Have you used
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Speaker 2: Are off? I will determine when I want to take
Speaker 2: my banner down. Thank you very much, Streamyard. Now, remember
Speaker 2: we love a metaphor. We love we love placing the
Speaker 2: words in other ways. So you know, you guys can
Speaker 2: use mycology in another form other than just as the
Speaker 2: relationship to science. Okay, so let's see who's gotta work.
Speaker 2: So people, Okay, people are like, yeah, the food is
Speaker 2: not good in Houston, thank you. You know where else
Speaker 2: the food is not good London unless you go to
Speaker 2: the Indian neighborhoods and the Black neighborhoods where you get
Speaker 2: Caribbean food. Everywhere else is like what is this? Bangers
Speaker 2: and mash see. I love y'all because you'd be thinking.
Speaker 2: Alison Waite says, yay, the mycology of human connection is
Speaker 2: the cornerstorm is the cornerstone of life. Ding. Rachel Porter said,
Speaker 2: we need to be constantly studying mycology to understand the
Speaker 2: world more and more. Ding. Farm guy Leevy said, mycelium,
Speaker 2: my sleium networks. We can learn so much and how
Speaker 2: we can build resilient community. Fun guy, but you got
Speaker 2: to use the word farm guy, You got to use
Speaker 2: the word Rolando. I wonder if my colleges can find
Speaker 2: a way to get a pizza to make me extremely happy,
Speaker 2: if you know what I mean. Ding, the mycology of
Speaker 2: Zionism has proven its adult death cult. I mean, I
Speaker 2: don't even know if that works, but I'm just gonna
Speaker 2: say it works because the conclusion is correct.
Speaker 3: Ding.
Speaker 2: Mycology is based on the mysoleum that makes up the world.
Speaker 3: Ding.
Speaker 2: Meg Collier says, I've been consumed with studying the mycology
Speaker 2: of the Democratic Party. Ding ding ding ding ding ding
Speaker 2: ding ding ding. Well, we have somebody who knows about
Speaker 2: them things with us today. The brilliant Sabrina Tellate is
Speaker 2: joining us and we will also be talking about her documentary. Okay, now,
Speaker 2: actually I'll say that for one what I'm talking to
Speaker 2: her in the meantime in between time, let me really
Speaker 2: quickly give you all our word I mean, our question
Speaker 2: of the week before we bring cubs up on the squeeze.
Speaker 2: The question question, my question that is very loud. Oh
Speaker 2: my god. I maybe it's these bones head phones, but
Speaker 2: that wow, that took me to a place. Today's bonus question.
Speaker 2: This week's bonus question is what do you consider leadership?
Speaker 4: Now?
Speaker 2: This question comes out of the fact that whenever I
Speaker 2: share information online, the question that comes back to me
Speaker 2: is so what are we supposed to do?
Speaker 4: So?
Speaker 2: What do we do now? And when I talked about
Speaker 2: Jasmine Sullivan, not Jasmine Sullivan, I'm not scared, I guess,
Speaker 2: but I'm scared. Love it you. No, not Jasmine, but
Speaker 2: shout out to Jazz, She's great. When I talked about
Speaker 2: Jasmine Crockett I said a very specific statement, which is,
Speaker 2: you know, perfection is not necessarily is not the metric
Speaker 2: that's going to get change. Is not going to be
Speaker 2: get change. However, continuing to vote in establishment democrats who
Speaker 2: support Israeli Zionism and corporatocracy is one hundred percent not
Speaker 2: going to be get any change. And then people's responses
Speaker 2: to that were, so, then who are we supposed to
Speaker 2: vote for you? Just all you do is just say things,
Speaker 2: but you don't say what to do. And my question
Speaker 2: is why do you not have the capability to know
Speaker 2: how to synthesize information into action? That is because we
Speaker 2: have been so trained to take our cues from who
Speaker 2: people decide to be leaders. So I'm asking you all,
Speaker 2: what do you consider leadership? Because my version of leadership
Speaker 2: is in decolonizing mind to be able to be leaders.
Speaker 2: And the reality is that, well, my my understanding is
Speaker 2: that you cannot have an effective resistance with a bunch
Speaker 2: of followers. An effective resistance is one with loyal leaders
Speaker 2: to the resistance. You're telling me, and Or isn't a leader.
Speaker 2: Of course, he is a leader, you're like, and that's
Speaker 2: a fictional character. However, it's very imperative to understand this.
Speaker 2: Followers are not what cause the resistance, because followers follow
Speaker 2: whatever is leading them. You should be leading you. So
Speaker 2: what do you consider leadership? Okay, let me get off
Speaker 2: my soapbox and get into this dope conversation with Stabis
Speaker 2: Sabrina Salvadi. How are you doing?
Speaker 7: I'm doing great. Thank you so much for having me on, Amanda. Yeah,
Speaker 7: I can hear you.
Speaker 2: You have a delay. We have a delay. This internet
Speaker 2: savs is gonna kill me. But okay, I'm gonna work
Speaker 2: through it. I'm very irritated this morning. How are you doing.
Speaker 8: I'm doing great.
Speaker 2: Okay, I wanted more, so give me more. How are
Speaker 2: you doing? Beyond great? The bank is banging per usual.
Speaker 8: I've just been really busy, really busy this year.
Speaker 7: So I'm looking to cranking out the rest of December
Speaker 7: and going into twenty twenty six with the bank.
Speaker 2: I want to do the exact opposite. But I hear you, Gruel,
Speaker 2: I hear you. I want to go into twenty twenty
Speaker 2: six with the ease of a lazy river at a
Speaker 2: water park in the Midwest. Oh, that's what I would ask.
Speaker 8: That's different.
Speaker 2: Just I'm trying to ease, and I don't want to
Speaker 2: be I don't want no bangs. I don't want to nothing, no,
Speaker 2: no hard impact, nothing. Okay, but you are you have
Speaker 2: been working so hard, and I want to start off
Speaker 2: immediately with talking about your documentary. And I understand the
Speaker 2: documentary struggle. So let's first let people know about the
Speaker 2: documentary before we get into the jasmine conversation. And this
Speaker 2: documentary is called erasure. I mean sorry, a removed black
Speaker 2: eraser in Boston. So I want to play a little
Speaker 2: clip or the trailer. I should say, yeah, Boston is
Speaker 2: home to winning sports teams and elite.
Speaker 7: Universities, but some might say that there are two Boston's.
Speaker 9: If you look at city Hall, no one's talking about
Speaker 9: that specific racial and historical component that black people are
Speaker 9: the ones that are being removed.
Speaker 2: There's a huge, significant different and lived experiences. And we
Speaker 2: know this because of.
Speaker 4: The wealthy board.
Speaker 8: We're at eight dollars.
Speaker 1: This whole plan and gentrification is in the new concept
Speaker 1: and every city you go into in the Northeast, they
Speaker 1: kept moving black people out of there inner city. So
Speaker 1: it's a plan. It's been in place for a long time.
Speaker 10: While the displacement isn't as bad as nineteen sixty three.
Speaker 4: It hasn't gotten much better now.
Speaker 10: It's by design that they've created spaces where we are
Speaker 10: no longer seen anymore.
Speaker 4: They're wiping us.
Speaker 10: Out, one community at a time, and they're getting away
Speaker 10: with it. This is gentrification. Franklin Park has been a
Speaker 10: place where we have built community and all these things
Speaker 10: are at risk.
Speaker 11: Why is the mayor willing to flow herself on the
Speaker 11: sword do or die for this project?
Speaker 4: It's not about soccer.
Speaker 11: It's about the additional profits that can be made in
Speaker 11: this entertainment complex.
Speaker 1: It's a disrespect that you would take public parkland and
Speaker 1: then give it to a private ut controlling.
Speaker 4: And this project is him.
Speaker 11: It tills Mama pulling back a curtain and if people
Speaker 11: don't look at what's behind that curtain, it's coming to them.
Speaker 12: Yes, yes, people are doing documentaries.
Speaker 2: So Sabena, I don't know if you know this. My
Speaker 2: father ain't shit, but he is from Boston, so I
Speaker 2: do have a connection to Boston. He is from Roxbury. Yes,
Speaker 2: so you know when I was like, I was like,
Speaker 2: you know what, I really need to know more about
Speaker 2: Boston and this is a great place to start So
Speaker 2: tell us what made you decide to make because honestly,
Speaker 2: you have so much information and knowledge that you could
Speaker 2: have made fifty eleven different documentaries. What made you decide
Speaker 2: to do this one first?
Speaker 7: Yeah, So I moved to Boston in twenty eleven, so
Speaker 7: I've been here for a long time actually, and one
Speaker 7: of the things that I've noticed over the years is
Speaker 7: the rate of gentrification and the way that it has
Speaker 7: continued to increase. And there was a group of activists
Speaker 7: that reached out to me and they said they wanted
Speaker 7: to have a meeting with me to tell me about
Speaker 7: a new project, which is White Stadium, which is located
Speaker 7: inside of Franklin Park that is also leading to more gentrification.
Speaker 7: So during that meeting with them, that's when I started
Speaker 7: to realize, you know, this may need to be a
Speaker 7: bigger project. I can bring you on the podcast and
Speaker 7: you can talk about it, but I think we really
Speaker 7: need to go through the history so that people understand
Speaker 7: how we got here. And so they were all for
Speaker 7: doing a documentary. So upon talking to them, I reached
Speaker 7: out to other residents, other people that grew up in Roxbury,
Speaker 7: grew up in Dorchester, and they told their stories as well.
Speaker 7: And ultimately, what we ended up doing is that we
Speaker 7: identified for harms that is leading to the erasure of
Speaker 7: black Boston, and those four arms are gentrification, redlining, urban renewal,
Speaker 7: and mass incarceration. Because it's different components that led to this,
Speaker 7: It's not just about White Stadium. The uniqueness of White
Speaker 7: Stadium is that we've seen this happen before in cities
Speaker 7: across the country where the city decides that they want
Speaker 7: to build a new entertainment complex. Rather it's a new ballpark,
Speaker 7: a new football stadium for professional teams or a team
Speaker 7: that may be already there, but they want a new stadium.
Speaker 7: And I think sometimes what people don't realize is oftentimes
Speaker 7: those new projects end up replacing black neighborhoods. Ultimately, they
Speaker 7: go to places where the land is relatively cheap, more affordable,
Speaker 7: so that they can build there, and that's where a
Speaker 7: lot of the gentrification comes in. So with that particular
Speaker 7: project that's happening right now in Boston, those investors that
Speaker 7: said we're going to bring this women's soccer team to Boston,
Speaker 7: they have already started buying property around that area. So ultimately,
Speaker 7: this is what leads to part of that erasure. But
Speaker 7: I think what a lot of people don't understand about Boston,
Speaker 7: in particular if you've never been here, the black culture
Speaker 7: here is not promoted most people when they think of
Speaker 7: Boston or they come to Boston. There's a lot of
Speaker 7: Irish American culture that is promoted, but there are black
Speaker 7: people in Boston, but they're just not you know, it's
Speaker 7: not put out there that way. And what I have
Speaker 7: seen over the years, if you look at the data,
Speaker 7: is that black people are leaving Boston. They're leaving because
Speaker 7: of forced displacement, because their apartment buildings are being bought
Speaker 7: by investors, so they have to leave. They're leaving because
Speaker 7: the cost of living continues to increase. And so if
Speaker 7: you look at the data, it shows that for the
Speaker 7: first time in history, black people are more concentrated outside
Speaker 7: of Boston instead of in Boston. So we're in places
Speaker 7: like Brockton, Avon, Randolph, Taunton, further and further south of
Speaker 7: the city, which also means that we have a longer commute.
Speaker 7: And it's not unique to Boston, right, So this happened
Speaker 7: in Chicago, this happened in San Francisco, Detroit.
Speaker 8: When we get into the urban renewal.
Speaker 7: Part of the film, we do dive into these plans
Speaker 7: to build high ways in black communities that were never built,
Speaker 7: but housing was torn down because those highways were going
Speaker 7: to be created. So Milwaukee's a good example of this,
Speaker 7: how they displaced an entire black community because they were
Speaker 7: going to put a highway through the city that they
Speaker 7: never put So of course they find ways to get
Speaker 7: you further and further away from the places that are productive.
Speaker 7: We had a screening at Roxbury Community College. We're going
Speaker 7: to do a couple more screenings and then right now
Speaker 7: we're getting prepared for film festivals. So so far we've
Speaker 7: received a lot of praise. I'm actually really surprised, but
Speaker 7: a lot of people have paged out.
Speaker 8: I think just because of the topic. It can be
Speaker 8: kind of it.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, like it can be exactly.
Speaker 7: Right, and you know, and and and some people were like,
Speaker 7: well what about us, what about this? And I'm like,
Speaker 7: you don't have a net worth of eight dollars. Black
Speaker 7: people do. And so I think it's important that people
Speaker 7: understand how that came to be in Boston, how it
Speaker 7: came to be that the average black family has a
Speaker 7: networth of eight dollars, and the average white family has
Speaker 7: a net worth of over two hundred and fifty thousand dollars.
Speaker 7: That is a big disparity. What I found film in
Speaker 7: this documentary is that black communities in particular constantly deal
Speaker 7: with disruption, and part of that disruption has been decisions
Speaker 7: that have been made by the city.
Speaker 2: You should check out an interview I did with an architect,
Speaker 2: Adam Paul Susanec. He has a page called Segregation by Design.
Speaker 2: Do you know who I'm talking about.
Speaker 8: I read an article about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he came on the show and it was like
Speaker 2: so super informative but also just really clear as day
Speaker 2: the ways in which highways are used to create segregation.
Speaker 2: And it's not done in community conversation. It's done, as
Speaker 2: you said, over the people, over the heads of people.
Speaker 2: You know, It's done behind closed doors, which is why
Speaker 2: it ends up being so imperative that people are involved
Speaker 2: locally in the way that in the way things are happening, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, we just simply don't as a nation have
Speaker 2: that practice. We kind of vote for people even if
Speaker 2: we do it all and then we just go on
Speaker 2: our merry way. But I mean, to be fair, it's
Speaker 2: not a merry way, Like, like you said, when you
Speaker 2: have an eight dollars income, like that doesn't leave you
Speaker 2: time to really fight, you know, because you're really trying
Speaker 2: to just pay for the basics of existence. So where
Speaker 2: does How was your process of making the documentary, because
Speaker 2: that is its own journey.
Speaker 8: I thought it was a great experience. I'll tell you.
Speaker 7: The easiest part about this were the interviews, Like a
Speaker 7: number of people like were happy to participate to be
Speaker 7: a part of it. So I thought that was going
Speaker 7: to be the most difficult part, like getting people who
Speaker 7: actually want to be in the documentary. But that was
Speaker 7: the easiest part because they said, we need to tell
Speaker 7: the story of Black Boston and people need to know
Speaker 7: what's happening here in Roxbury. There's gentrification happening in Roxbury
Speaker 7: in Dorchester. So I reached out to residents. They were
Speaker 7: very happy to come forward and tell what happened and
Speaker 7: how Roxbury was once a thriving black community and these
Speaker 7: policies like redlining and urban renewal ultimately changed that right,
Speaker 7: So that was the easiest part. The most difficult part
Speaker 7: was finding the success, the historical success of Black Boston.
Speaker 7: It was just nowhere to be found. I had never
Speaker 7: experienced like this.
Speaker 2: Before, which literally proves your point right.
Speaker 7: It's when I say erasure, it's not even just physical erasure.
Speaker 7: It's not including this information in the libraries. I went
Speaker 7: to libraries. I looked online looking for old Roxbury when
Speaker 7: people migrated from the South to Boston, very difficult to find.
Speaker 7: I ended up learning that Northeastern University, which is a
Speaker 7: part of the gentrification in Roxbury by the way, I
Speaker 7: hate to say it, because I went to school at
Speaker 7: Northeastern University, but they somehow were able to own a
Speaker 7: lot of the old black and white archive photos. So
Speaker 7: Northeastern University, their archive office, they own a lot of
Speaker 7: those pictures. So when I found that out, I went
Speaker 7: to their archive and I went through a number of
Speaker 7: boxes of pictures just looking for the success of black
Speaker 7: Boston back.
Speaker 8: In the day.
Speaker 7: And even then it was very hard to find those pictures.
Speaker 7: So I had to reach out again to other people
Speaker 7: who grew up here and said, do you have any
Speaker 7: photos of what Roxbury used to be like? Like all
Speaker 7: the black businesses that were there before a lot of
Speaker 7: them were burned down, and whoa burned down? Yes, Well,
Speaker 7: there's a story about the night that James Brown saved Boston.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure if you ever heard about that, Amanda.
Speaker 7: They there were, Yeah, there were a lot of race
Speaker 7: riots during that time, and James Brown had a concert
Speaker 7: in Boston, and so when MLK was assassinated, yes, that
Speaker 7: was part of the Yeah. So those businesses, like the
Speaker 7: community was not rebuilt after that either. So there was
Speaker 7: a number of things that were difficult with this. And
Speaker 7: the comparison that I made is that Chicago, like Boston,
Speaker 7: has hyper segregation. But when I went to Chicago, I
Speaker 7: have no difficulty finding old black Chicago photos, videos within
Speaker 7: the libraries. Very difficult here in Boston. It's almost as if,
Speaker 7: as Anti he says in the documentary, it's almost as
Speaker 7: if we were never here.
Speaker 8: That that was the most difficult part.
Speaker 2: So where do you feel, Well, how did the people
Speaker 2: who are in the documentary, who are like directly affected
Speaker 2: by this, how do you feel their response to the
Speaker 2: doc has been.
Speaker 8: They're very proud of it.
Speaker 7: I again, like I said, I was very surprised, Like
Speaker 7: when we did the screening, I got a standing ovation.
Speaker 7: This is my first documentary, so I didn't really know
Speaker 7: what to I didn't know what the response was going
Speaker 7: to be or if people were going to be receptive
Speaker 7: to it. One of the journalists that was in the documentary,
Speaker 7: Yabu Miller, you know, he kind of I met with
Speaker 7: him yesterday. He kind of felt some kind of way
Speaker 7: as like, well, you know what about you know, the
Speaker 7: white community in South Boston that was this place and
Speaker 7: it's them.
Speaker 2: I agree about them, I had.
Speaker 7: I had to tell him my job is to elevate
Speaker 7: the voices of those that are not heard. There are plenty,
Speaker 7: there's a lot of history about South Boston. There's a
Speaker 7: lot of movies about South Boston. Their story is told.
Speaker 7: My job is to tell the stories of those who
Speaker 7: are not heard. And I also had to remind him
Speaker 7: they don't have a net worth of eight dollars, right,
Speaker 7: So it's wild to me when people come in and
Speaker 7: they say, well, what about the white people? The white
Speaker 7: people don't have a net worth of eight dollars. It
Speaker 7: is absolutely disturbing and disgusting. And I had to explain
Speaker 7: that me having lived in other places. My family is
Speaker 7: from Baltimore, having been in Baltimore, DC, Philly, New York,
Speaker 7: et cetera. When I walk through Roxbury, and I see
Speaker 7: just the vacantness, like the lack of black businesses. It's sad.
Speaker 7: I've never seen nothing like this before. You don't see
Speaker 7: that in Chicago, you don't see it. So people have
Speaker 7: been displaced, people have been erased, and the fact that
Speaker 7: it's hard to even find those photos and videos of
Speaker 7: that thriving Roxbury community that tells you everything you need
Speaker 7: to know, even when it comes to arts and culture.
Speaker 7: One of the most troubling things that I found is
Speaker 7: that a lot of people here, they all know who
Speaker 7: Mark Wahlberg is, they all know about New Kids on
Speaker 7: the Block. But a lot of these people don't even
Speaker 7: know who New Addition is. How is that possible?
Speaker 2: What they don't know? Bobby, Ricky and MiG are.
Speaker 7: Yes, yes, and they were more successful than New Kids
Speaker 7: on the Block. But again that says something. It says
Speaker 7: something about the culture we just had. And this is
Speaker 7: in the documentary as well. There was a New Addition Day.
Speaker 7: I know, I know, I know, there was a New
Speaker 7: Edition celebration day where they came here just recently over
Speaker 7: the summer, and the mayor she dead came a street
Speaker 7: to a new Edition finally, right after all these years,
Speaker 7: they finally get like their own street. And I went
Speaker 7: to that event and even I was like, this is
Speaker 7: all the people who showed up for this, and it
Speaker 7: was disturbing because to me, I said, if this was
Speaker 7: New Kids on the Block, all of Boston would be
Speaker 7: out here. So what is the problem, Like, why is
Speaker 7: it that that's not even promoted? So these things, he said.
Speaker 2: They're also lovely, like if y'all have ever met New Edition,
Speaker 2: they're also like really nice. And the last time I
Speaker 2: was around them, Ronnie Devout, who was my heart and
Speaker 2: soul Sabrina Salvadi was like, you know, I just want
Speaker 2: you to keep going, sister. I see what you're doing
Speaker 2: and we appreciate you. And eight year old, ten year
Speaker 2: old and twelve year old Amanda has never recovered that
Speaker 2: Ronnie Devot sees her as an adult literally, like I
Speaker 2: have videos where I'm referring to myself as my fake name,
Speaker 2: Robin Devo. I was married to Ronnie Deaveau for several years.
Speaker 7: I can see that, Amanda. I can see you having
Speaker 7: the thing for Ronnie.
Speaker 2: I can see yeah.
Speaker 8: But yeah, I think a big part of it is that.
Speaker 7: These things need to be promoted and there's a lot
Speaker 7: of talent that came from Roxbury and Dorchester, but people
Speaker 7: don't even know about it. People don't even know Lewis
Speaker 7: Ferricon is from Boston. People don't know about Malcolm X.
Speaker 8: That's another thing.
Speaker 2: You know that Malcolm Max is from Boston.
Speaker 7: That's another thing we talk about in the documentary, how
Speaker 7: Malcolm X's house has now declared a historical site. But
Speaker 7: if you see what it looks like, Paul Revere's house
Speaker 7: don't look like that. You know, it's just it's it's
Speaker 7: it's wild, like that should be everywhere. And I said,
Speaker 7: there is something to be said about this that you
Speaker 7: don't see this in the other cities on the East
Speaker 7: Coast where the black culture is hidden in such a
Speaker 7: way where people are like are black people even here?
Speaker 2: I mean, Boston is so racist, Like every time I
Speaker 2: go to Boston, the only time I see black people
Speaker 2: is when I do my shows, like when I'm in
Speaker 2: like where, Like typically if I go to a restaurant
Speaker 2: or if I'm just in the Boston proper and I
Speaker 2: go to a restaurant or I'm at my hotel, I
Speaker 2: don't see black people. And I don't even see black
Speaker 2: people working. Right, It's not like, Okay, we are in
Speaker 2: the private sector. No, we're literally nowhere to be found.
Speaker 2: I've more than once looked around at a restaurant in
Speaker 2: Boston and been like, ohla, are we in here at No,
Speaker 2: I'm the only black person in here, And if you
Speaker 2: look at me fast and keep it moving, you might
Speaker 2: say I'm Latina. So I understand, and I don't think
Speaker 2: people also, And that's what I love that you're doing
Speaker 2: this documentary or that you did this documentary. Folks still
Speaker 2: are adherent to this idea that racism only existed in
Speaker 2: the South and not as a national ethos that has
Speaker 2: been you know, permeated and perpetuated all throughout this country.
Speaker 4: Right.
Speaker 8: I think a lot of people, Yeah, people still make
Speaker 8: that mistake.
Speaker 2: I mean Boston was the last Boston's desegregate their schools
Speaker 2: until the seventies, like the mid seventies, like not even
Speaker 2: like seventy one, right, Like they was old and on
Speaker 2: and they were just as mad as these other videos
Speaker 2: that you see of Ruby Bridges and these white people,
Speaker 2: you know, scowling, and all of that was happening in
Speaker 2: Boston as well.
Speaker 7: There's also a famous picture of Ted Landmark being hit
Speaker 7: by the American flag by a white guy that said,
Speaker 7: you're taking our jobs. I believe that picture was on
Speaker 7: Time magazine at some point, but that is a very
Speaker 7: infamous picture that a lot of people are familiar with.
Speaker 7: Interestingly enough, though Ted Landmark still lives here, he teaches
Speaker 7: at Northeastern University. It's there's a lot of things that
Speaker 7: have happened. We do talk about the bussing. We go
Speaker 7: through some of the bussing photos which are horrendous, and
Speaker 7: I think that sometimes people think that because it's the Northeast,
Speaker 7: that we didn't have those issues here, or we don't
Speaker 7: have those issues here. And what I talk about in
Speaker 7: the documentary is that the type of racism, a lot
Speaker 7: of it that you experience here, tends to be structural
Speaker 7: racism and covert racism.
Speaker 2: But it's still there, loud and clear, loud and clear.
Speaker 2: So you are now on the trajectory with festivals, et cetera, etc.
Speaker 2: Where can people watch.
Speaker 7: The doc You can watch it right now on my
Speaker 7: YouTube channel. It's called Remove Black Erasure in Boston. My
Speaker 7: channel is Savvy Sab, so you can watch it there.
Speaker 7: It may be there only for a limited amount of time.
Speaker 7: It depends on some of these festivals that we apply to.
Speaker 7: We are reaching out to see if it can still
Speaker 7: be on YouTube. For some it's fine. For others, we're
Speaker 7: not really sure because they don't really say so. It
Speaker 7: may only be there for a limited time and then
Speaker 7: I'll have to market private and then make it public
Speaker 7: again after the festival circuit.
Speaker 8: But that's where you can find it now.
Speaker 2: All right, removed a rature of black Boston? And how
Speaker 2: long did it take for you to put this together?
Speaker 7: We started filming at the end of April, so we
Speaker 7: moved pretty quickly. For documentary standards, documentaries can take years
Speaker 7: from what I understand to film.
Speaker 2: Yes. Yes, And how do you feel like you were
Speaker 2: able to get it pushed along so fast?
Speaker 7: I got to give kudos to my editor, Scott Hanshew.
Speaker 7: Scott was phenomenal. He has a lot of experience working
Speaker 7: in film and he was able to move things along
Speaker 7: in a way that I wouldn't have been able to
Speaker 7: do on my own. He's the one that created a
Speaker 7: lot of the graphics, the transitions, like, all of that
Speaker 7: is Scott.
Speaker 8: That's not me.
Speaker 7: I don't have those skills, So definitely shout outs to him,
Speaker 7: all right.
Speaker 2: Scott shot got USh out the crew. You know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying, We got to shout the below the line.
Speaker 2: All right, well, Savvey, thank you so much. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's so necessary that we continue to make this type
Speaker 2: of work right in the face of the constant erasure
Speaker 2: of basically everything that is about knowledge and truth, right, Like,
Speaker 2: that's what we're constantly witnessing and watching. I want to
Speaker 2: pivot because I texted Sabby this morning and I was like, now, Savby,
Speaker 2: I was gonna save you headlines. But you know, folks
Speaker 2: just want us to talk about Jasmine. So let's get
Speaker 2: the people when they won't. So first, let's watch the
Speaker 2: announcement video that Jasmine made Jasmine Crockett Representative Jasmine Crockett
Speaker 2: about her run for Senate.
Speaker 4: How about this new one?
Speaker 2: They have their new star, Crocket, How about her? She's
Speaker 2: a new star of the Democrat Barty, Jasmine Crockett. They're
Speaker 2: in big trouble, but you.
Speaker 8: Have this woman Crockett.
Speaker 5: She's a very low IQ person.
Speaker 4: I watched her speak the other day. She's definitely a
Speaker 4: low IQ person. Crocket. Oh man, oh man, She's a
Speaker 4: very low IQ person.
Speaker 5: Somebody said the other day, she's one of the leaders
Speaker 5: of the party. I said, you gotta be kidding.
Speaker 4: Now, they're gonna rely on Crockett.
Speaker 8: Crockett's gonna bring them bed.
Speaker 2: Sabbie. I had to put on my red lip so
Speaker 2: I can align with you. I said, we gotta, we
Speaker 2: gotta put on our red lip. All right, Okay, first
Speaker 2: impressions of this move?
Speaker 8: Who made that ad? Who made that ad?
Speaker 7: It just Jasmine Crockett isn't running against Donald Trump, and
Speaker 7: I feel like the ad also was. I don't know,
Speaker 7: it seems to kind of be all about like her
Speaker 7: and not policy. It's just it's kind of it's it's
Speaker 7: given me ego vibes, right, But ultimately she's she's not
Speaker 7: running against Donald Trump. So I just I don't know
Speaker 7: who's making these decisions. Amanda, Well, you know the.
Speaker 2: Thing about it, So at one point in time, Jasmine
Speaker 2: and I were actually really getting cool, and so there's
Speaker 2: things that I don't share conversation wise, because they weren't
Speaker 2: being had in the context of her being a politician
Speaker 2: and me being someone in media or just an intellectual, right,
Speaker 2: Like they were conversations we were having off the record.
Speaker 2: So I don't share those things, unlike my conversations that
Speaker 2: I have with Kamala Harris, which was very much in
Speaker 2: the context of you are the vice president of the
Speaker 2: United States and you summoned me here to try and
Speaker 2: confront me, and you ain't had nothing to say. That
Speaker 2: being said, it has been quite disheartening to see just
Speaker 2: how quickly she has shifted from I'm a young you know,
Speaker 2: republic I'm sorry, representative that's entering the party to now
Speaker 2: believing that she is the future of the party based
Speaker 2: on what.
Speaker 7: I'm I guess because she's been very vocal against of
Speaker 7: course Marjorie Taylor Green, the Republican Party in general. She
Speaker 7: was very she was more outspoken than others. But that's
Speaker 7: the easy part. It's easy to fight against Trump. It's
Speaker 7: easy to oppose the Republican Party that's supposed to be
Speaker 7: your opposition, supposed to be opposition. They agree on more
Speaker 7: than we realize. But where were you when a genocide
Speaker 7: started under Joe Biden? See, that's the thing I can.
Speaker 2: Tell you where she was.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it's like you're not pushing back against people in
Speaker 7: your own party that have made decisions that lead to
Speaker 7: the erasure of a group of people, even now that
Speaker 7: Trump's in office. I mean, it's just and we can
Speaker 7: get to the Israel park because I'm going to tell
Speaker 7: people who she really is.
Speaker 2: Oh, but I left that for last because I know,
Speaker 2: see one thing about Sabrina Salvati is she's going to
Speaker 2: give you the receipts of the receipts. And that is
Speaker 2: the thing that I feel like these folks fail to
Speaker 2: realize is that there are folks out here who are
Speaker 2: tracking their choices, who are tracking their votes, who are
Speaker 2: tracking their money, and who are tracking their shifts and
Speaker 2: their changes, and they don't acknowledge that, and so they
Speaker 2: continue to move as if they're impervious to critique. But
Speaker 2: we are going to continue to be acknowledging of the
Speaker 2: necessity to critique and also to illuminate the ways in
Speaker 2: which they are misleading folks, right, because even when we
Speaker 2: when we talked about Israel, and when we get there,
Speaker 2: I would love for you to also just really amplify
Speaker 2: for people the direct implications, the direct what's the word
Speaker 2: I'm looking for, the direct effect that having a support
Speaker 2: of Israel has, having a support of Israel has on
Speaker 2: the people of the United States, right, and of the
Speaker 2: people of Texas, et cetera. Because I think people think
Speaker 2: it's like a ideological difference that that that we're talking about,
Speaker 2: and it's deeper than that. So her running for senator,
Speaker 2: can you just lay out for people what a senator does,
Speaker 2: because let me tell you, a lot of people don't
Speaker 2: even know what a senator does. They're just like, oh,
Speaker 2: she's running for something, so let's let's just get behind it.
Speaker 2: But they don't even know what the role of a
Speaker 2: senator is. I'm watching people literally say to me, you know,
Speaker 2: she is in Texas, and I see people talking about
Speaker 2: her who don't even have a vote in Texas. So
Speaker 2: why are you acting like this is your business?
Speaker 7: Okay, Well, senators work in Congress, and after legislation passes
Speaker 7: the House, it makes its way over to the Senate.
Speaker 7: I mean it's like, so she will be voting on
Speaker 7: legislation that impacts all of us, the entire United States.
Speaker 7: And I think, I don't know. I don't know what
Speaker 7: the schools are doing nowadays, but it seems like we
Speaker 7: need to teach civics to people again, or if people
Speaker 7: have not learned civics. I'm starting to realize people don't
Speaker 7: know what some of these positions actually do, but that
Speaker 7: would be her job. I sort of see Jasmine Crockett
Speaker 7: the same way that I saw John Fetterman when he
Speaker 7: ran for Senate years ago. I warned people about John Fetterman,
Speaker 7: and I'm warning people about Jasmine Crockett. The sad part
Speaker 7: is a lot of people, a lot of lefties, are
Speaker 7: saying she's the populist candidate, she's progressive. She's not Jasmine.
Speaker 7: Jasmine Crockett has taken corporate Pac money. Jasmine Crockett, Wait, wait,
Speaker 7: I want to wait, I want to stop there.
Speaker 2: It's not just that she took it. It's that she
Speaker 2: said she wasn't gonna take it. Yeah, ran on, I
Speaker 2: don't take it, but my opponent does, and then proceeded
Speaker 2: to I think it's important to denote these shifts in
Speaker 2: ideology that are actually not just impacting her campaign, but
Speaker 2: impact the way that we are allowing dark money to
Speaker 2: affect the way our elections operate.
Speaker 7: Right, she was one of the people that said, look
Speaker 7: at me, I have zero dollars of corporate Pac money.
Speaker 7: But then she went on to take corporate Pac money,
Speaker 7: and she took more than her opponent was actually taking.
Speaker 7: She's also in the crypto the Crypto club. She took
Speaker 7: like the crypto money, which Trump is a big fan of.
Speaker 7: And I think that people need to go back and
Speaker 7: if you can find it, go to revolutionary change. Jim,
Speaker 7: Pearlman and Peter interviewed Jasmine Crockett years ago when she
Speaker 7: was in the state House in Texas, and she was
Speaker 7: a very different person than the moment she got into Congress.
Speaker 7: She started to change. And I remember that because that's
Speaker 7: how I learned about who she was, because they interviewed
Speaker 7: her and she was leading like this fight in the
Speaker 7: state House in Texas and everything changed.
Speaker 2: The fight.
Speaker 8: I forget. It might have been workers. I forget. I
Speaker 8: have to go back and check, but it.
Speaker 2: Was something that was actually for the people. Yeah.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's why she was brought on to Yeah,
Speaker 7: they were talking to her about it. So that was
Speaker 7: when I first heard about her. I was like, Okay,
Speaker 7: she's out there fighting for you know, for the people.
Speaker 7: But then once she got into Congress, you know, you
Speaker 7: started to see how she really was. So, yeah, she
Speaker 7: fights back against the Republican Party, but I mean they're
Speaker 7: all kind of doing that in a way. That's that's
Speaker 7: the minimum. But don't get don't get it twisted. She's
Speaker 7: not a progressive, she's not like a populist candidate. She's
Speaker 7: not even grassroots. She's another corporate Democrat, that's all. Jasmine
Speaker 7: Crockett is, Can you illuminate for people? Why that is
Speaker 7: not helpful to them?
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's because of the way that they vote.
Speaker 7: Right, So these candidates that are taking corporate pac money,
Speaker 7: the candidates that are taking you know, whether it's crypto money,
Speaker 7: et cetera. You have to know that a lot of
Speaker 7: these lobby interest groups they write legislation in Congress. It's
Speaker 7: not just politicians that are writing legislation. And when they
Speaker 7: write legislation, they write legislation that's going to benefit them.
Speaker 7: And then these politicians that are taking donations from them
Speaker 7: vote towards their interests. That's why they donate money to them.
Speaker 7: Jasmin Crockett isn't even running on Medicare for all.
Speaker 2: Like it.
Speaker 8: It's weird. And I've already seen the shift.
Speaker 7: I'm already seeing progressives and they say, yeah, she's the fighter,
Speaker 7: she's the progressive we need. Now, all of a sudden,
Speaker 7: Medicare for all doesn't matter now, all of a sudden
Speaker 7: like Israel doesn't matter and I'm noticing climate change.
Speaker 2: There's a direct quote on her site where she talks
Speaker 2: about energy and climate change and she says it says,
Speaker 2: generating more wind powered electricity than any state in the nation,
Speaker 2: Texas forges into the future while also staying true to
Speaker 2: its oil and gas origins. What does that even mean
Speaker 2: to me? What it says is, yes, I'm going to
Speaker 2: do green initiatives, which are their own scam by the way, However,
Speaker 2: I'm also going to make sure that you oil tycoons,
Speaker 2: et cetera are continuing to get your hands on fossil
Speaker 2: fuels that we know that we know for a fact
Speaker 2: are ruining the actual ability for us to live on
Speaker 2: this planet. And we're gonna talk about it later, y'all
Speaker 2: when I talk about what's going on in Asia with
Speaker 2: the flooding, yeah, go ahead.
Speaker 7: She's and it's I think she's tricked a lot of people,
Speaker 7: although I have noticed, like z Jalawni has called her
Speaker 7: out just recently and said, Jasmine Crockett's not progressive. This
Speaker 7: is last night I went over the way that she
Speaker 7: has voted. I think a lot of times people just
Speaker 7: aren't paying attention. So yeah, like she's raised her voice
Speaker 7: against Marjorie Tailer Green, she's called out Trump, she's danced
Speaker 7: in the halls of Congress and all those types of things.
Speaker 7: But a lot of that is just it's just a distraction,
Speaker 7: it's just a formative. Yeah, so let's talk.
Speaker 2: About her voting. Yeah, let's talk about her door so
Speaker 2: her record ahead, we have a delay, so it's a
Speaker 2: little bit awkward.
Speaker 7: So okay, So it was just yeah, I was just
Speaker 7: gonna say, for those who were wondering about Israel on
Speaker 7: foreign policy, most of the time she voted along with Israel.
Speaker 7: Most of the time, she voted along with you know
Speaker 7: what Trump actually would have wanted for Israel.
Speaker 8: Track a Pack.
Speaker 7: I'm not sure if everybody follows this group on X
Speaker 7: but track Apak they have a website of the candidates
Speaker 7: that they endorse and also they list the candidates that
Speaker 7: are taking like you know, a pac money, et cetera.
Speaker 7: They are not endorsing Jasmine Crocket. They said Jasmine Crockett
Speaker 7: did not call it a genocide. Jasmine Crockett because of
Speaker 7: the way that she's voted, like not to stop the weapons.
Speaker 7: So they have an endorsed her that should tell you everything.
Speaker 2: And people are like, well, she hasn't taken a PAC money.
Speaker 2: So first of all, I want to let you all
Speaker 2: know that there are other packs or other Israeli lobbies
Speaker 2: besides a PAC. And now that a PAC is so outed,
Speaker 2: they are going other ways. They are finding other surreptitious
Speaker 2: ways to get this money to these people. They know
Speaker 2: that they have control over these people. At a certain
Speaker 2: point in time, Jasmine Crockett signed a letter of allegiance
Speaker 2: to Israel, and I mean to the lobbies saying like okay,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do x y Z now. I don't
Speaker 2: know the contents of that letter, but she signed it right.
Speaker 2: And I remember when Jasmin Crockett went over to Israel
Speaker 2: on a trip. If you were against Israel, you're not
Speaker 2: gonna go over there and then come back and still
Speaker 2: be talking the same way. I would have, honestly, Savs,
Speaker 2: I would have been okay with I went over there,
Speaker 2: I came back this bullshit. Let me tell you what
Speaker 2: I'm saw. This is crazy. We can't get down with this. Now.
Speaker 2: I'm over here with Corey Bush and Rashida Tlaid and
Speaker 2: we are not gonna allow this happen No, she didn't
Speaker 2: do that. She actually came back. And that was also
Speaker 2: why I distanced myself from her, because it was like, oh,
Speaker 2: you're not standing in truth, and so I can't have
Speaker 2: brunch with you no more, right like I can't hang
Speaker 2: out with you. And I also want to point out
Speaker 2: that for a lot of people, the concept of being
Speaker 2: against Israel is something and I said this earlier, it's
Speaker 2: something that is an ideology. People are in my comment
Speaker 2: saying like Palisinea Palesin ain't got nothing to do with us.
Speaker 2: So I want us to talk about why we are
Speaker 2: so staunchly against politicians who are in alignment with the
Speaker 2: Israeli lobby and Zionism, because it's not simply about the
Speaker 2: factors of genocide, which should be enough. It should be enough. Yeah, one,
Speaker 2: can we talk about the corporate involvement.
Speaker 8: Let's talk about the money.
Speaker 7: I don't know if everybody has looked this up, but
Speaker 7: if you get a chance, you should. You should look
Speaker 7: up to see how much your state and your city
Speaker 7: sends to Israel. And then I want you to look
Speaker 7: up the homelessness rate in your area. I want you
Speaker 7: to look at the unemployment rate in your area. I
Speaker 7: want you to see where all that where a lot
Speaker 7: of the money is going. I can tell you Boston
Speaker 7: sent ten million dollars to Israel, and our homelessness rate
Speaker 7: is skyrocketed, So the money's not being spent here.
Speaker 8: That's a big part of it.
Speaker 7: Also for someone who I believe, Jasmine Crockett was a
Speaker 7: civil rights lawyer, doesn't she practice civil rights? Okay, So
Speaker 7: if you're fighting for civil rights, why are you supporting Israel? Because,
Speaker 7: if anything, you should be supporting you know, the Palestinian
Speaker 7: people are occupied. The Palestinian people are oppressed. The Israelies
Speaker 7: are not occupied. The Israelis are not oppressed. They control
Speaker 7: the land, the air, and the sea. They control what
Speaker 7: even what food goes into Gaza. The Palestinians are losing
Speaker 7: their homes in the West Bank because of rabid Israeli
Speaker 7: settler violence that is being inflicted on them.
Speaker 8: This is a weekly thing.
Speaker 7: This didn't start October seventh, but there are multiple you
Speaker 7: can look up the videos for yourself. Is rarely settlers
Speaker 7: going into the West Bank stealing Palestinian's home, squatting outside
Speaker 7: their homes, waiting until they go to work, and then
Speaker 7: destroying it, knocking it down like, so that's what that's
Speaker 7: what Jasmine supports. People have to understand that when you say,
Speaker 7: like I support Israel and we need to stand with them,
Speaker 7: you're supporting all of that. So as a civil rights lawyer,
Speaker 7: that doesn't make any sense. It's very clear to me
Speaker 7: that Jasmine got the talk. And you gotta be careful
Speaker 7: because some of these politicians, to Amanda's point, no, they're
Speaker 7: not taking a PAC money, but they're still voting along
Speaker 7: with Israel's interest. So it's not just enough to say,
Speaker 7: let's look them up on open secrets and see if
Speaker 7: they're taking money from APAK. And to Amanda's point, there
Speaker 7: are other groups. There's Koofy, there's j Street, so as individuals.
Speaker 2: Right, there's also individuals like this Ailman lady right, So
Speaker 2: like James Tallerico who is also running and who others
Speaker 2: will say is another option he takes his He's getting
Speaker 2: his Israel money from an individual from Adelman, who also
Speaker 2: sent buttloads of money to Donald Trump. And this is
Speaker 2: why Sabby I'm like, I need people to understand that
Speaker 2: we are watching a false flag operation in there being
Speaker 2: opposition between Democrats and Republicans. And Sabby talks about this
Speaker 2: all the time on her show. At the end of
Speaker 2: the day, they're all funded by the same people, and
Speaker 2: that is who you're supposed to be fighting against, right,
Speaker 2: And it feels like people just refuse to want to
Speaker 2: acknowledge that. They just want to get caught up in
Speaker 2: the battle royale between these two sides instead of acknowledging
Speaker 2: that these two sides are being paid by the same people.
Speaker 2: So that's obviously who the issue should be with. Now
Speaker 2: when we talk about black folks, right and okay, people
Speaker 2: are like, well, you're not going to get her to
Speaker 2: you're not going to get people to not care about
Speaker 2: her because of Israel palesign because those are black folks.
Speaker 2: Israel is behind what's going on in the Congo. Israel
Speaker 2: is involved in providing arms to the members of the
Speaker 2: RSF in Sudan. Israel has one hundred percent been a
Speaker 2: part of the overthrow of Libya. These are all actual
Speaker 2: Israel provided weapons to destabilize Haiti. So when we talk
Speaker 2: about these issues of oh, well, those aren't black people,
Speaker 2: so we don't care. Tell me when you all start
Speaker 2: to care that all of this also comes back because
Speaker 2: what's also happening is we have all of these cop
Speaker 2: cities that are in place to become the headquarters of ICE,
Speaker 2: which is going to essentially become the IDF, and they're
Speaker 2: going to be suppressing Yo Town and Yo City. We
Speaker 2: have black democrats like your man's in Atlanta who are
Speaker 2: riding with that, and they're going along with this Zionism
Speaker 2: mindset as if it is not going to affect black people.
Speaker 7: The NYPD is directly aligned with the IDF. That whole
Speaker 7: boat on your next thing, that whole boot on your
Speaker 7: next thing.
Speaker 8: Where do you think this all this works together?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 7: I was just talking about last night about the AI
Speaker 7: and intelligence that's happening. Israel is advancing, advancing their technology,
Speaker 7: especially when it comes to AI. They're already making statements
Speaker 7: and people need to pay attention to what's happening out there.
Speaker 7: They're already making statements that Americans who don't want to
Speaker 7: agree with Israel, we should treat them like people in Gaza.
Speaker 7: And I have that's whom people are are supporting. One
Speaker 7: thousand pastors just went to Israel to be brainwashed by
Speaker 7: Benjamin Nette. Yahoo to go back can take this message
Speaker 7: to their congregations that you need to get your people
Speaker 7: in order to support Israel because they're losing support between
Speaker 7: among the right the young right wing Christians now and
Speaker 7: that that's a problem for them.
Speaker 8: So I ask.
Speaker 2: Yourself, actually, yeah, well, I'm trying to get it over here.
Speaker 2: You gotta like, why have you seen the APEC video. Yes,
Speaker 2: let's show that real quick for people, because this is nuts.
Speaker 13: It's the start of a new day, and thanks to
Speaker 13: Israeli innovation, our journey will be made easier.
Speaker 4: I'll show you the sky.
Speaker 13: Our connections clearer, looking down, our food more plentiful and nourishing,
Speaker 13: our oceans cleaner, looking down, our communities safe and you
Speaker 13: I loved ones healthier, and we.
Speaker 2: Can take it one step back the time. We can
Speaker 2: take it one step, one step till we get it.
Speaker 4: From morning tonight.
Speaker 13: Whatever the challenge, Israel is America's partner for a better future.
Speaker 7: That technology frighten people. Yep, technology, This is often Israel.
Speaker 2: Go ahead, go ahead, Sorry.
Speaker 7: Well, I just want to remind people when you think
Speaker 7: about the things that we don't have here, I want
Speaker 7: to remind you Israel has universal health care.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 7: Israel has free university. But the same politicians who stand
Speaker 7: up in front of you and tell you that that's
Speaker 7: socialism and we shouldn't have that here. Support an ally
Speaker 7: with Israel that has those things.
Speaker 8: Make it make sense?
Speaker 2: How does that add up? And people think that just
Speaker 2: having a black person somewhere is advancement is progress If
Speaker 2: that black person is not operating different than the system
Speaker 2: they're in, they are simply just advancing the system.
Speaker 7: Yeah, and that's not just Jasmine Crockett, That's that's Corey Booker,
Speaker 7: that's Haakm Jeffries, that's all of them. They're not there
Speaker 7: to work for you. They're there to work for their donors.
Speaker 7: That's why the money is involved. So yeah, I know,
Speaker 7: I get it. People want to have representation, But what
Speaker 7: kind of representation are you? Are we actually getting the
Speaker 7: fact that the Congressional Black Caucus align with Israel and
Speaker 7: prioritizes Israel. I bet you didn't know unless Amanda told you.
Speaker 7: Did your representatives that are part of the Congressional Black Caucus,
Speaker 7: did they tell you they went to Israel. They took
Speaker 7: a big old trip over to Israel, and they kind
Speaker 7: of hushed and quiet about that, right, So that's their priority.
Speaker 7: So when you look around in your district and you
Speaker 7: look around, you wonder why is in our communities improving,
Speaker 7: Why they're not fighting for you. They decided that a
Speaker 7: long time ago. I hate to say it, but the
Speaker 7: reality is, we have a lot of it rhymes with spoons.
Speaker 7: We have a lot of spoons in Congress.
Speaker 8: We really do.
Speaker 7: We got a lot of spoons in Congress. These people,
Speaker 7: it's fake representation. They're not there to really help you.
Speaker 7: You see how quickly they can bring forward legislation to
Speaker 7: prioritize Israel. But how dare you come to them and say, hey,
Speaker 7: I want legislation for this, this for the black community.
Speaker 8: All now is not the time.
Speaker 2: I mean common Let's head straight up. I will not
Speaker 2: make laws that are just for the black community, not laws.
Speaker 2: I will not bring fourth legislation and bills that are
Speaker 2: just for the black community. I won't do it.
Speaker 8: But she'll do it for Israel.
Speaker 2: Oh hell yes. Now. And in providing greater context for
Speaker 2: people as to what the issue with Israel, let let
Speaker 2: me show you the type of conversations that happened in Isra.
Speaker 14: And this is a rabbi in Israel who is a
Speaker 14: well known person in the in the community.
Speaker 2: He is not just like some random person talking about
Speaker 2: why slavery should return. The non Jews will want to
Speaker 2: be our slave. He is the head of the Sons
Speaker 2: of David religious seminary, and he goes on to say
Speaker 2: that being the slave of a Jew is the best
Speaker 2: ayeshiva Zomi. This is a military prep school and he
Speaker 2: is a teacher there. It is the most well known.
Speaker 2: Most of his students are former soldiers. I also want
Speaker 2: to point out that Israel passed more than thirty laws
Speaker 2: since October this is October twenty three that deepen their
Speaker 2: system of apartheid and repression. So how can you, genuinely
Speaker 2: as a civil rights lawyer in twenty twenty five continue
Speaker 2: with unflinching support, continue to have on flinching support. Now,
Speaker 2: one thing I want to say, Sabs is that I
Speaker 2: want to ask you, do you feel like this is
Speaker 2: enough of an issue to render her campaign dead in
Speaker 2: the water?
Speaker 7: Well, I mean people are going to voeverhear regardless, But
Speaker 7: I will say this, she has to get through the
Speaker 7: primary first, which she might go on to win the primary.
Speaker 7: But do I think she's gonna win in the general?
Speaker 7: I mean it's Texas most likely not. I just read
Speaker 7: an article earlier this morning that said that the Republican
Speaker 7: Party actually elevated. They want her in the race because
Speaker 7: they believe she'll be the easiest to beat.
Speaker 8: It's the pied piper strategy.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Sorry, the sun is coming in. I don't know.
Speaker 2: You bringing in the light. Oh you're not used to
Speaker 2: it in the day.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it looks like a halo's coming in.
Speaker 2: Like, Oh, I with it. I'm with it. Take us
Speaker 2: to the lights, have show us the light?
Speaker 8: Oh man.
Speaker 2: Well, one thing I will say is I appreciate not
Speaker 2: being alone in speaking the honesty about these folks and
Speaker 2: the truth about their existence as political figures. I think
Speaker 2: people are so wrapped up in celebrity that they forget
Speaker 2: that these are lawmakers.
Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, and they'll be making laws that impact our lives.
Speaker 7: So people need to think about that. And as much
Speaker 7: as I've been ranting about healthcare over the years, that's
Speaker 7: another thing. Why is Jasmine Crockett not even supporting Medicare
Speaker 7: for all?
Speaker 2: She's supporting the ACA, which is not the same. So
Speaker 2: you know they're going to continue to say that we're traders,
Speaker 2: so go us.
Speaker 8: I will say.
Speaker 7: I'll say this, I think that people need to focus
Speaker 7: on building dual power. I think you need to stop
Speaker 7: like making the pride to the politicians your priority and
Speaker 7: making them their hero. I don't think that needs to
Speaker 7: be the thing. A lot of times people are like,
Speaker 7: who should we look towards to get in Congress, to
Speaker 7: get into the House, to get into the White House.
Speaker 7: And at the end of the day, you need to
Speaker 7: look towards the people that are around you, your family,
Speaker 7: your community, yourself, look in the mirror, and you need
Speaker 7: to work on building dual power. You can do this
Speaker 7: through mutual aid, which is something that I do and
Speaker 7: all of us at AREBN we do mutual aid. You
Speaker 7: can do that direct action organizing. I mean, i'd say, like,
Speaker 7: you know, look at what the Black Panthers did. They
Speaker 7: weren't sitting around and waiting for the government to like
Speaker 7: these politicians to do the right thing and help them.
Speaker 7: They decided to help themselves. So I think that's where
Speaker 7: that fight is really going to be. There's a number
Speaker 7: of documents that you can look up to learn about
Speaker 7: dual power, and I think that's what you need to
Speaker 7: focus on and not. I'm not to say that electoral
Speaker 7: politics isn't a tool that you can't use in your toolbox.
Speaker 7: You can but it's not the only tool At.
Speaker 2: This point, Zabby, I believe less and less that it
Speaker 2: is an actual tool to use in the toolbox because
Speaker 2: I just haven't seen any evidence of it being useful yet. Well,
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 7: I think like on the local level, I have seen
Speaker 7: Green Party members and independents get into some of these
Speaker 7: local seats, these local positions and do.
Speaker 8: Well with that.
Speaker 7: So I think, I don't know, maybe people need to
Speaker 7: look a little bit more locally, like I encourage more people,
Speaker 7: need to more independence or if you're your third party,
Speaker 7: we need more of those people running for these local
Speaker 7: races mayor school board, city council. And it's so interesting
Speaker 7: everybody just looks for Congress, like the congressional races. What's
Speaker 7: happening in your community, Like who's on the city council.
Speaker 7: City council controls the budget, so like start looking in
Speaker 7: counsel us how.
Speaker 2: You have a arena getting built in your hood?
Speaker 8: There you go.
Speaker 7: So I mean what we're talking about, like with the
Speaker 7: stadiums and the gentrification, Like that's not coming from Congress,
Speaker 7: that's not coming from the White House. That's happening locally.
Speaker 2: Yep, it's happening locally. And I want to also point
Speaker 2: out though the corruption is also happening locally, So I
Speaker 2: just also want to make that clear. We're not saying
Speaker 2: that locally is fair and veterally is not. None of
Speaker 2: it is fair at present. There's corruption in all of this.
Speaker 2: We are seeing different states that are making them move
Speaker 2: to remove dark money from their elections, dark money meaning
Speaker 2: money that cannot be tracked. However, it's really important that
Speaker 2: we understand that politics as it exists in the United
Speaker 2: States and in many places, by the way, is a
Speaker 2: system of corruption. It's the same way that policing is
Speaker 2: a system of harm. So the system itself is made
Speaker 2: a certain way, and people actually go into that system
Speaker 2: knowing that many times to exploit that. Okay, so that
Speaker 2: is something that you can on a local level have
Speaker 2: a lot more two teeth to fight than on a
Speaker 2: federal level, because these people live in your neighborhood. Like
Speaker 2: they are there, You see them, and you can be
Speaker 2: on their head and on their neck every day that
Speaker 2: you see them. Why are you taking money from such
Speaker 2: and such? Why are you doing such and such? We
Speaker 2: are not going to have handle that. I also want
Speaker 2: to point out though that the Zionism is also going
Speaker 2: to the local level. We are seeing Zionists, like you said,
Speaker 2: having meetings with local leaders in churches and pastors. They're
Speaker 2: also meeting with mayors and giving them incentive to create
Speaker 2: legislation that suppresses challenging of Israel, you know, that suppresses BDS, etc.
Speaker 2: So when you see this much effort of something, you
Speaker 2: should absolutely be having a red flag say hold up,
Speaker 2: I need to be paying attention to this. And I
Speaker 2: see so many folks that are saying, I don't know
Speaker 2: what Zionism is, so it must not be that important, hm.
Speaker 7: I would say, the fact that you don't know what
Speaker 7: it is is the reason why it is that important.
Speaker 7: They don't want you to know about certain things. I mean,
Speaker 7: it's just, you know, I don't know. I had this
Speaker 7: conversation with my viewers, even when it came to the
Speaker 7: biblical perspective, and I was breaking this down for them
Speaker 7: as well as I'm like you, guys, got to understand again,
Speaker 7: in the Bible, when Jesus was talking about Israel, I
Speaker 7: will call you, he was speaking directly to Jacob. And
Speaker 7: it's just it's all these things that because I grew
Speaker 7: up in the church, so it's it's all these things
Speaker 7: that I'm just like, no, that's not really what you know,
Speaker 7: what the Bible says. So for all of you who
Speaker 7: do go to church, get ready, because they already said
Speaker 7: they want ten thousand more pastors to come to Israel
Speaker 7: and bring that message back to their congregation. So was
Speaker 7: your pastor absent last week? Maybe he might have been
Speaker 7: on that trip because that list was confidential. I think
Speaker 7: if you follow jen x girl on x she is
Speaker 7: trying to post the list. She's trying to get the
Speaker 7: list of the names of everybody who was there. But again,
Speaker 7: why does it need to be Why why did it
Speaker 7: need to be confidential? Why why can't people know if
Speaker 7: their pastor is participating in the propaganda. So it's another way,
Speaker 7: and we can go into this another time. But there's
Speaker 7: part of reason why you don't see me in the
Speaker 7: church today, because like, I'm not going to sit up
Speaker 7: here and listen to somebody who says, you know, we're
Speaker 7: we're Christian, but it's okay to kill these kids in Gaza.
Speaker 2: No, you better stand on its abs I would. I
Speaker 2: do want to show the video of the pastors though,
Speaker 2: because it's very disturbing to me and I just think
Speaker 2: it's important before you go.
Speaker 15: I'm here to be part of the Ambassadors' taking place
Speaker 15: this week. We're here for seven days support Israel and
Speaker 15: to take what we learn back to our people back home.
Speaker 15: I'll be listen parative that we're educating the younger generation
Speaker 15: on what it means. Can't just stands for Israel. There's
Speaker 15: a lot, a lot to learn, a lot to be
Speaker 15: present for, and that is what I expect to do
Speaker 15: the good news about.
Speaker 2: So again we need to point out this is black, white,
Speaker 2: all flavors, all right.
Speaker 4: Place.
Speaker 15: I do some of God's place for gods people, and
Speaker 15: we need to support them.
Speaker 4: Reverence Johnny Moore.
Speaker 15: We are here to answer a call. Our faith requires
Speaker 15: action when darkness crisis, and here we are. But the
Speaker 15: promise is Abraham still notch go with the song. The
Speaker 15: song still rise, And we gathered here on this closing
Speaker 15: afternoon to declare a spiritual war.
Speaker 2: Wellcome everybody, Okay, I'm not gonna show the whole thing,
Speaker 2: but the man just said we're here to declare a
Speaker 2: spiritual war.
Speaker 4: Yep.
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Speaker 2: care about the truth, then you got to care about us.
Speaker 2: So thank you so much for joining us and for
Speaker 2: enlightening us as you always do. And also remind people
Speaker 2: when they can check out your show.
Speaker 7: Yep, So I'm live on Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday evenings.
Speaker 2: You in there, Savs Tuesday, Thursday and Sunday, y'all you
Speaker 2: get three days a week to check out Sabby Sabs
Speaker 2: who will be checking all of the facts and giving
Speaker 2: them to you. Thank you one more, Thank you again
Speaker 2: for finally making it on the show, and we shall
Speaker 2: continue on my red lips. Sister. Hey, I have a
Speaker 2: good one. Yay. Y'all been asking Sabby coming on the show. Well,
Speaker 2: we're just gonna turn right round, right round and get
Speaker 2: into our next guest. We are, miss how are you greeting?
Speaker 4: Hey? Can you hear me?
Speaker 2: I can, can you hear me?
Speaker 4: I Amanda? Yeah, I can perfectly clip.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, Well let me just tell y'all. Missun describes
Speaker 2: himself your your your Instagram bio is very specific while
Speaker 2: not being specific at all. So miss Un says dyslexic
Speaker 2: Nerdi virgin Oscar nominated end of lacyp Award winner. Opinions
Speaker 2: expressed are solely my own. However, you are I know
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Speaker 4: Before we even get there. I jumped on early and
Speaker 4: I hadn't seen the clip that you shown of these
Speaker 4: priests were actors, pastors.
Speaker 2: Yeah, everybody is getting brainwashed, baby. That's the that's the
Speaker 2: new wave.
Speaker 4: Mm hmm I. And it's it's particularly I don't know
Speaker 4: if you've seen The Voice of hinrad Jab yet. Have
Speaker 4: you watched that film?
Speaker 2: No? I have not seen it yet. There's a part
Speaker 2: of me that's not prepared.
Speaker 4: Listen. I ran away from it. I've run away from
Speaker 4: that film for four months, and I decided, look, just
Speaker 4: you know, if if Palestinians are enduring what they're enduring,
Speaker 4: go and see the bloody film. And I sat down,
Speaker 4: and the reason I'm bringing this up that it's particularly
Speaker 4: hard to see men and women of God going to
Speaker 4: this place after watching that film, because what you learn
Speaker 4: in the film is we all know what happened to
Speaker 4: this six year old. But what I didn't know is
Speaker 4: that they had the technology to have the heat that
Speaker 4: they could see who is dead or alive. They could
Speaker 4: see the size of the soul, so they knew it
Speaker 4: was a child, and they knew that this child was
Speaker 4: surrounded by her dead relatives, the corpses of their dead relatives.
Speaker 4: And then they just played call of duty for three
Speaker 4: hours taking potshots at her. And it's just to see
Speaker 4: people of God, you know, in the twenty four hour period.
Speaker 4: I just I didn't know about this trip. I missed
Speaker 4: this one.
Speaker 2: And it's hard to keep up, to be quite honest,
Speaker 2: I mean, the nonsense is just so innumerable that it's
Speaker 2: hard to keep up. I mean, the other day you
Speaker 2: had into mar Ben Gavie wearing a noose pin. I
Speaker 2: saw them along with others in the Israeli Kanesse, in
Speaker 2: support of their push to create a death penalty for
Speaker 2: all of the Palestinian prisoners. Mind you, these people have
Speaker 2: not had cases, they have not been able to even fight.
Speaker 2: There a lot of them, don't even have charges.
Speaker 4: Them are no adults actually judicial cults in abury which
Speaker 4: your kids don't understand, and they're being held Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Anyway, in the context of that, well no, I mean
Speaker 2: I'm not surprised because the context of our conversation was
Speaker 2: about Jasmine Crockett, who was a black woman who was
Speaker 2: running for senator. And you know, there's now a lot
Speaker 2: of hullabulu and hubbub about her being progressive and her
Speaker 2: being you know, the next wave and she's going to
Speaker 2: save the Democratic Party and me and Sabby Sabs landing
Speaker 2: that plane at No. No, this is not a progressive
Speaker 2: This is someone who has staunchly supported Israel. I mean
Speaker 2: it's not hard to discern this. You know, people are like,
Speaker 2: where's the evidence, where's the evidence? And the evidence? I mean,
Speaker 2: I can show you as basic as this.
Speaker 16: When Governor Wall started out tonight by repeating this refrain
Speaker 16: that Israel has a right to defend itself, Israel has
Speaker 16: just invaded Lebanon. Israel is now intimating that it could
Speaker 16: attack Iran. So shouldn't we be looking for a little
Speaker 16: more than just these platitudes about Israel having a right
Speaker 16: to defend itself. What is the limiting principle, especially when
Speaker 16: the US the one providing the armaments for Israel to
Speaker 16: wage these military campaigns. As you know, having voted for
Speaker 16: the National Security Supplemental back in April, which underwrote Israel's war.
Speaker 2: Effort, I absolutely did vote for it.
Speaker 17: I voted for that along with every other supplemental that
Speaker 17: was available. And I will tell you this, it is
Speaker 17: important that people understand what diplomacy looks like, and it
Speaker 17: looks like the fact that this relationship between Israel and
Speaker 17: the United States has existed since before I was born.
Speaker 17: And guess what, this relationship will continue on in perpetuity
Speaker 17: even after I'm gone.
Speaker 4: I don't know how many Nigerians you know, but I'm
Speaker 4: a Nigeriane man, so sometimes I may switch to pigeon
Speaker 4: when I have when I can't sound like British. Because
Speaker 4: this is this is madness. Yesh came Jeffries Cory Booker,
Speaker 4: and I need you to help me, as an African American,
Speaker 4: to explain to me how these well educated, seemingly well traveled,
Speaker 4: supposedly politically astute, black African American men and women that
Speaker 4: have chosen a life of service have got to a
Speaker 4: place where I'm looking at Corey Booker walking down corridors
Speaker 4: or dancing with you know, genocidal maniacs, Like how does
Speaker 4: it get to that place?
Speaker 2: So the first step is in knowing that the United
Speaker 2: States does not actually have politics as a public service.
Speaker 2: They're not actually in service to the people. They're in
Speaker 2: service to lobbyists. They're in service to packs and to donors.
Speaker 2: So when you say they have entered a life of service,
Speaker 2: the life of service they've entered is to those who
Speaker 2: are going to give them money, and they serve them
Speaker 2: by passing and supporting legislation or standing in the way
Speaker 2: of legislation that prevents those corporate interests from being able
Speaker 2: to advance. And they know this. You know, there's the
Speaker 2: reason why you have so many lawyers that go into
Speaker 2: these fields. Right, There's a reason why you have so
Speaker 2: many entrepreneurs go into these fields. It's because they already
Speaker 2: know the one too of what's going on. So when
Speaker 2: you see this in black people, you also understand that
Speaker 2: we do live in a capitalist country and at the
Speaker 2: end of the day, there has been a constant push
Speaker 2: of this idea of generational wealth, and black people need
Speaker 2: to get our o economics together. However, it's not done
Speaker 2: under the auspices of socialism and supporting communities. It's done
Speaker 2: under the auspices of individual accomplishment. Right, Like Jasmine Sullivan was,
Speaker 2: Jasmin Crockett was already a successful lawyer who made more
Speaker 2: money as a lawyer than she did in Congress if
Speaker 2: she was not going to take any corporate money. So
Speaker 2: it's not like she was struggling, right, It's not like
Speaker 2: she was saying, you know, I'm going to find my
Speaker 2: purpose in this path. However, what frustrates me is that
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people inherently think that black
Speaker 2: people have a higher moral.
Speaker 4: Quotient, Yeah, because of the historical.
Speaker 2: Because exactly, and that same thing is why Israeli Zionis
Speaker 2: are getting away with what they're doing, because they effectively
Speaker 2: peddled this idea of a moral a higher moral ground
Speaker 2: because of having a higher pain, right, higher harm, higher
Speaker 2: moral ground. And so that's where you get the whole like,
Speaker 2: we get to harm people because we were harmed. We
Speaker 2: have the moral army because we didn't have an army
Speaker 2: to protect us, which was literally just pr right. Because
Speaker 2: the Zionists were actually in cahoots with Nazis like Zionists
Speaker 2: Jews said Okay, we'll work with you Nazis, versus other
Speaker 2: Jews who were like, no, no, we don't work with
Speaker 2: the people who are trying to kill us. Like I
Speaker 2: think people have really just come to kerfuffle everything together
Speaker 2: in the same way that they have now with black
Speaker 2: people in America. And I am a black person who
Speaker 2: lives on a value system that is not capitalists, hence
Speaker 2: being a radical black intellectual. And we are not the
Speaker 2: same just because we are black, like the saying goes
Speaker 2: all skin folk and kinfolk, and we keep using identity
Speaker 2: politics in this country to put black people in power
Speaker 2: or that do not support black liberation.
Speaker 4: So how do you how do you connect? I think
Speaker 4: you kind of connected. Another interesting thing is which is
Speaker 4: how the far right, and I mean the real far
Speaker 4: right has seemingly gone into bed with the Zionist entity.
Speaker 4: And what I mean by that. When Elon Musk did
Speaker 4: the what do they call it, they hate the you know,
Speaker 4: the hand, the Hitler hand thing, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah,
Speaker 4: and then the yeah and the the a d L
Speaker 4: defended him said he was you know that we should
Speaker 4: move on. We've just had something in England where a
Speaker 4: guy called Magel far Arche. I don't know, if you know,
Speaker 4: you probably know who he is. He's ahead of he
Speaker 4: is openly racist, openly anti Semitic, head of the Reform
Speaker 4: Party in the UK, and a lot of the people
Speaker 4: that went to school with him, who are actually Jewish
Speaker 4: have come out saying he is an anti He's been
Speaker 4: saying things like Hitler was right, you know, reminding, reminding
Speaker 4: people of Candice owns pre her rebrand, and it's it's
Speaker 4: it's very very interesting because the Jewish Chronicle, the Jewish Chronicle,
Speaker 4: big paper in the UK, did an article saying that
Speaker 4: we should forget about all the anti Semitic things he
Speaker 4: said in the past, and I was like, what it's
Speaker 4: it's it's really really we get the light on. Hold. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's really really confusing for me to see how, you know,
Speaker 4: organizations and all newspapers that are supposed to be defending
Speaker 4: actual Jews are writing articles that are defending they're not.
Speaker 2: Because this is the thing the same way that I
Speaker 2: was saying, like there has been a confluence, like a
Speaker 2: false equivalence created amongst all black people. There's been a
Speaker 2: false equivalence. He created amongst Jewish people. Right, there's Jewish,
Speaker 2: there's Judaism as a faith, and if you follow Judaism
Speaker 2: as a faith, then you don't. It's the same with Christianity.
Speaker 2: There's Christianity as a faith, and then there's people who
Speaker 2: are claiming Christianity but they're not following the faith of
Speaker 2: it at all. In the same with everything. There's the
Speaker 2: same thing with with Islam. Right. So you have all
Speaker 2: of these folks and they like to call it extremists,
Speaker 2: when I think that's a false nomenclature because they're not.
Speaker 2: To me. If I'm an extreme Christian, I'm extremely giving,
Speaker 2: I'm extremely non judgmental, I'm extremely supportive. Right, If I'm
Speaker 2: an extremist, it is because I am so committed to
Speaker 2: the faith that I am deeply rigid and in my
Speaker 2: morals and my ethics and my principles. These are not extremists.
Speaker 2: These are liars, These are These are people who simply
Speaker 2: just use these these spiritual tool RULs to weaponize against
Speaker 2: humans because of our capacity to be moved, and you
Speaker 2: are there divergent, so you have less of a capacity
Speaker 2: to be flipped and spun. It's just what it means
Speaker 2: are wiring is not direct.
Speaker 4: You must I'm believing that you also.
Speaker 2: Are absolutely artistic.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I think that we're a funny lot
Speaker 4: because I think the marriage of trauma, like real childhood trauma,
Speaker 4: which I know you had, and then being on this
Speaker 4: this spectrum is a really really interesting cocktail because you know,
Speaker 4: you're such a monol what you're unique in the conversation
Speaker 4: of American culture. And my sister who is your friend,
Speaker 4: I believe Brianna Joy Gray and a few others are
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, I mean they don't play as well, and
Speaker 4: it's just really really interesting, but they're like three of you,
Speaker 4: just like Leny, where are the rest?
Speaker 2: The truth is is that there are more. It's just
Speaker 2: that we have been so ostracized and shunned by our
Speaker 2: cot by our fellow black folks, that many people then
Speaker 2: you know, they don't have the support system to really
Speaker 2: manage it right. And I was very very fortunate that
Speaker 2: when I was ostracized from the black community for just
Speaker 2: being myself, I was very fortunate that I had a
Speaker 2: psychiatrist that really helped me to move through that, and
Speaker 2: I also had the right people around me. It wasn't
Speaker 2: about amount, it was about quality, you know, the right
Speaker 2: people around me to catch me and give me a
Speaker 2: soft landing into a path forward that commits to this,
Speaker 2: regardless of the ostracizing right, and then you start to
Speaker 2: understand that, oh, I'm not alone in this, and so
Speaker 2: now I need to create spaces for others to not
Speaker 2: feel alone in this. And that's what we do here
Speaker 2: at Use for Amandolin, and that's what I do on
Speaker 2: my Patreon. I so often find people saying I'm here
Speaker 2: because I don't have anyone in my immediate circle that
Speaker 2: I can talk to about these things, and I feel crazy.
Speaker 2: And then I come here and I feel sane because
Speaker 2: I know that I'm not bugging. And that's why you
Speaker 2: know they've said forever it's only about five percent. I
Speaker 2: love this neuro defiant. I love that I'm making a
Speaker 2: T shirt that says that. But it's really true that
Speaker 2: there is a necessity to uplift these voices. And that's
Speaker 2: why I originally got connected to you through your film.
Speaker 2: I need to I haven't seen anything. Hold on, hold on,
Speaker 2: hold on, hold on, IM messing up, a messing up.
Speaker 2: I want to put yours.
Speaker 18: On bad witness. If you travel the world with this thing.
Speaker 18: I'm just bad witness.
Speaker 19: People celebt images, but my passions is observing the human
Speaker 19: condition and making arts that has purpose.
Speaker 4: Miss An Harriman's work captures protests like no other. The
Speaker 4: images help people see.
Speaker 8: They're not alone and being frustrated.
Speaker 4: I do wonder about the difference I'm actually making. What
Speaker 4: do protest movements truly achieve? If people are still demanding
Speaker 4: the same human rights?
Speaker 2: How the people?
Speaker 8: What you're doing is to give one the opportunity to
Speaker 8: be able to see the images will be here forever.
Speaker 4: As a young boy, the images of apartheid South Africa
Speaker 4: shook me to my core, and then I went on
Speaker 4: a journey of understanding what it all meant. We got
Speaker 4: to tell the truth racial profile still exists.
Speaker 2: What do you want?
Speaker 4: It's going to be the biggest protests ever.
Speaker 19: Oh, this is part of the journey. People have a
Speaker 19: goodness in them that needs to be fed like a plant.
Speaker 4: This is the work. This is the bearing witness.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is the work the bearing witness. I
Speaker 2: can't help but try a British accent when I'm talking
Speaker 2: to someone with the British accents, so I'm not mocking you.
Speaker 2: I'm really just.
Speaker 4: Join you.
Speaker 2: I'm working. I'm working on it, but it's so tell
Speaker 2: me about tell me about the film, and and to me,
Speaker 2: it goes directly along with what we've been talking about.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah yeah. And I remember, you know, I
Speaker 4: made a film before this and got nominated for an
Speaker 4: Oscar and there was a lot of heat around me,
Speaker 4: and I was like, with this heat, I'm just gonna
Speaker 4: see if I can get them to let me do
Speaker 4: what I want to do. And I could see the
Speaker 4: world getting more and more crazy, and I was like,
Speaker 4: why don't we do a feature lengths dock on what
Speaker 4: it means to be an artist that refuses to look
Speaker 4: away when it pays to be apathetic through the lens
Speaker 4: of protest. And I think whilst making it, everything just
Speaker 4: kept getting crazier. And I was just like, you can't
Speaker 4: ignore Palestine. You cannot make a protest film and focus
Speaker 4: on queer, trans climate, women, black lives and just pretend
Speaker 4: that Palestine isn't happening, which is what the industry was
Speaker 4: strongly suggesting to me and my team, and we're like, no,
Speaker 4: you know. And there's a great page on instaign called Pomegranates,
Speaker 4: and she she has a great analogy. She said that
Speaker 4: Gaza is I don't know if you are a Star
Speaker 4: Wars person, but she said it's a wait wait wait.
Speaker 2: Wait wait wait wait, you don't know if I'm a
Speaker 2: Star Wars person.
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, she said that that the Gaza is the
Speaker 6: single shot through the exhaust valve of the death Sta
Speaker 6: that brings.
Speaker 4: Down the whole empire. I believe it too, you know,
Speaker 4: and I love it so much because I think what
Speaker 4: this what this film is is, it's this film isn't
Speaker 4: really for you and me. This film is for the
Speaker 4: dads and mums in Ohio that don't know what occupation means.
Speaker 4: They don't know about the Peal Commission in thirty six.
Speaker 4: They don't know about church Hill's Dog in the Manger quote,
Speaker 4: which is just pure white supremacy before the existence of Israel.
Speaker 4: And then they see me with George Floyd's people in Minnesota,
Speaker 4: and then they start cannecting that with the violent war
Speaker 4: for profit, white patriarchal, extractive capitalist machine that allows black
Speaker 4: men to lie in their own piss whilst begging for
Speaker 4: their mamma as they late leave this mortal coil. And
Speaker 4: then I take them from there to Johannesburg, and I
Speaker 4: take them to the University of Johannesburg that used to
Speaker 4: be an all white university, and within our lifetime that
Speaker 4: university looks like you and me now right. And there's
Speaker 4: a scene in Johannesburg with a professor talking about Palestine.
Speaker 4: It's sat African man being strong man, talking about the
Speaker 4: history and the connection. And I think for a lot
Speaker 4: of Americans, this film is accessible because it's got all
Speaker 4: the shiny things with me and the oscars and everything else,
Speaker 4: but it always takes them back to help them understand
Speaker 4: that we have to decolonize our minds and protest matters,
Speaker 4: not just because of getting arrested and getting on the news,
Speaker 4: because you build community, and within community lies the ability
Speaker 4: to unlearn. Because one of the most dangerous things I've
Speaker 4: seen is a combination of confirmation bias and arrested development.
Speaker 4: Just hanging out with the same people the holiday in
Speaker 4: the same place and listen to the same music that
Speaker 4: you know, love jay Z, Beyonce Taylor, whoever. And they
Speaker 4: literally are in a bubble of extractive capitalist status quoism.
Speaker 4: And my film is too gently but hold your hand
Speaker 4: and pull you out of that room, you know, for
Speaker 4: you to look outside and realize that your reality is
Speaker 4: not built on anything outside of the blood and broken
Speaker 4: bones of brown and black. Usually at this point, if
Speaker 4: you're looking at your iPhones and your Tesla cars kids
Speaker 4: right because you look at Congo, you look at the
Speaker 4: you know, the new phones every September.
Speaker 20: You look at the the the fact that many of
Speaker 20: us don't realize that a lot of the things we're
Speaker 20: told to buy that we don't need, we don't even
Speaker 20: we're Christmas now, for God's sake, how many of us
Speaker 20: are still buying shopping.
Speaker 2: I canceled Christmas, which.
Speaker 4: Is investing can and Jerusalem, whereas.
Speaker 2: It right in Parisi.
Speaker 4: So it's a film about my life that helps you
Speaker 4: go on a journey of on learning and decolonizing yourself
Speaker 4: through my images. Listen Edward arningfil changed my life. When
Speaker 4: I became the first black man to shoot the cover
Speaker 4: of Vergue in twenty twenty, I could have just stayed
Speaker 4: on that lane and done pretty well for myself taking
Speaker 4: pictures of famous folk. I'm very proud of the humans
Speaker 4: that I've shot. I'm very proud of how I shoot
Speaker 4: black people, in particular, because I have a lot of
Speaker 4: issues with the gaze of our people when they make
Speaker 4: us comple.
Speaker 2: I thought you were saying the gays like gays, and
Speaker 2: I was like, what a gay You have a problem
Speaker 2: with them?
Speaker 4: No, they haven't hurt anyone, you know, I'm talking more
Speaker 4: about the game.
Speaker 2: Yes, I mean that was uninsecure, and that was like
Speaker 2: a really big issue with not issue, but that was
Speaker 2: a really big focus was like shooting black people properly,
Speaker 2: you know, and us being able to, like you said,
Speaker 2: not be purple.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And you know, if you look at most of
Speaker 4: the biggest this is American verge I'm talking about, they
Speaker 4: still in general use Annie Lebowitz, and I'm always confused
Speaker 4: by that because there are plenty of black men and women,
Speaker 4: even in New York State. They can take a picture
Speaker 4: and I'm like, if you're going to shoot, you name it.
Speaker 4: You know. Most of the black covers sometimes I use
Speaker 4: Tyler Mitchell, which is great. He was the first black
Speaker 4: man to shoot the cover. He did Beyonce in twenty eighteen.
Speaker 4: But in general it's usually Annie, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, but don't make demands. That's also part of
Speaker 2: the problem too, you know, we act as if we
Speaker 2: don't have agency. Right, I mean, and they don't want
Speaker 2: to lose an opportunity, so they're not going to make
Speaker 2: any changes. They're not going to make any challenges. And
Speaker 2: that's why people don't align me, because I'm going to
Speaker 2: be like no, or I'll do it if Like when
Speaker 2: I did Essence, I did a shoot for Essence in Grenada,
Speaker 2: and they wanted me to do my shoot at this
Speaker 2: hotel in Grenada that was built by an Egyptian man
Speaker 2: who does not live in Grenada, and he was able
Speaker 2: to get citizenship by doing so. He built a wall
Speaker 2: that impeded a view that Grenadians in that part of
Speaker 2: the island had of the sea for how many decades?
Speaker 2: And now he come on build a wall. The Grenadians
Speaker 2: came and teared dumb the wall. But then the government said, nah, man,
Speaker 2: the bank paid the money, so he get to build
Speaker 2: the wall, and so he gets to build this wall.
Speaker 2: They had this hotel at the time. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it's changed yet, but at the time, it's not
Speaker 2: like they were using agriculture from the island, you know,
Speaker 2: it's not like they're actively in cohesion and symbiosis with
Speaker 2: the island. So why would I come and do my
Speaker 2: photo shoot for Grenada in this hotel. There are hotels
Speaker 2: on the island that are owned by Grenadians. There are
Speaker 2: also hotels on the island that are staffed that may
Speaker 2: not be owned by a Grenadian, but are owned by
Speaker 2: people who actively pour back into the economy of Grenada.
Speaker 2: So I said, I'm not gonna do it unless I
Speaker 2: can do a shoot that is reflective of the island
Speaker 2: in the way that the people of the island want
Speaker 2: it to be reflected, which is in its ecology. Right.
Speaker 2: It's strength. Its strength is in its ecology and its
Speaker 2: commitment to it, to preservation of culture in ways that
Speaker 2: other islands, unfortunately haven't been able to do because of
Speaker 2: the just impact of colonization. But like, I'm only bringing
Speaker 2: this up because they could have said no, and then
Speaker 2: I wouldn't.
Speaker 4: Have Yeah, but not every I mean, look at Simone
Speaker 4: Biles for example, Right, It's like, I don't know when
Speaker 4: she got that big cover.
Speaker 2: You know, you mean the Simone Biles who cheered Wait wait, wait,
Speaker 2: you mean the Simone Biles who cheered of excitement and
Speaker 2: exaltation when there were three black women who were on
Speaker 2: the podium at Worlds You mean that Simone Biles, like,
Speaker 2: I need y'all to stop giving these people passes, like
Speaker 2: they don't know what's up. Simone Biles is a black
Speaker 2: woman in gymnastics, and I will tell you now missing
Speaker 2: we have always been the because I was in gymnastics,
Speaker 2: We're always the one black girl. You're always you mean
Speaker 2: someone Biles who comes from a foster home, whose mother
Speaker 2: could not have her and her whole siblings because she
Speaker 2: was an addict. Simone Biles is acutely aware of race.
Speaker 4: I'm saying that, but I'm saying when she.
Speaker 2: May say, yeah, right, but you, for instance, had people
Speaker 2: to telling you don't do Palestine, but you were like, hmmm,
Speaker 2: I can't know.
Speaker 4: It's it's growth, it's growth, right, it's this five years ago.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't think I would have been in
Speaker 4: this place. And I don't think you've always been in
Speaker 4: this place? Have you always been in this? Just like this?
Speaker 2: Wow, I've literally always been like this. You can ask anyone,
Speaker 2: Like in high school, I led a whole movement in
Speaker 2: the theater program when the whites were mad because there
Speaker 2: were three black leads that were doing the black leads
Speaker 2: in the shows. Ask anybody and they will tell you
Speaker 2: she's always been like this. But I also came from
Speaker 2: a home that was very like I grew up listening
Speaker 2: to Bob Marley, like that was my lullaby music, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying. So I think that's just I
Speaker 2: think there's also something real about our DNA, you know,
Speaker 2: And what's what we show up with in our physical
Speaker 2: being and how that gets shaped and what get what?
Speaker 2: What is the catalyst for that turning up? I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm still in touch with my first grade teacher, who
Speaker 2: when we first got back in touch, she was like,
Speaker 2: I have a bone to pick with you. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 2: my first grade teacher, I had a bone tom with me,
Speaker 2: and her bone was she said, in your comedy special,
Speaker 2: you said that you learned the Negro National Anthem in
Speaker 2: tenth grade, but you were singing then the Negro National
Speaker 2: Anthem in first grade. I had you all singing the
Speaker 2: Negro National Anthem in first grade. I had it up
Speaker 2: on the wall because she was like, I didn't want
Speaker 2: black children to be like her. Majority of my school
Speaker 2: was black and Mexican, and she was like, and I
Speaker 2: didn't want y'all not knowing what the real deal is.
Speaker 2: Even if I had to make you say the pledge
Speaker 2: of allegiance. So like, these types of things are instilled
Speaker 2: in you early and you know you either are able
Speaker 2: to carry them forth. But you know, Simone is a
Speaker 2: young she's a young I wouldn't use her as an
Speaker 2: example just because you're right, she's a young person like
Speaker 2: she had at the time.
Speaker 4: Also a big American vote cover. They would have told
Speaker 4: her it's a huge deal, and she probably would have
Speaker 4: been because it's outside of her world. Yeah, I'm just.
Speaker 2: I just folks had circles around them that we're on
Speaker 2: code and so often we're not because the code is money,
Speaker 2: the code is access, the code is visibility, and I
Speaker 2: sacrificed that because that doesn't have value to me in
Speaker 2: the way that it did when I was like at
Speaker 2: one point, so even if I had been woke forever,
Speaker 2: I still had people around me that were like, you
Speaker 2: should do this, and then I'd have like, yeah, nah,
Speaker 2: But those people were still around me though, you know,
Speaker 2: like because you're supposed to have around you.
Speaker 4: So why have we got from Langston Hughes, from Nina
Speaker 4: Simone to Pharrell thing he doesn't well, you know what
Speaker 4: he said, why have we got in the seventies.
Speaker 2: In the seventies we had the Black Power movement, but
Speaker 2: then we also had simultaneously the Southern Strategy and Nixon
Speaker 2: saying what we're going to do is we are going
Speaker 2: to bring black people into capitalism, and instead of us
Speaker 2: actually shifting the systemic racism that takes place, we are
Speaker 2: going to sidle them but surreptitiously treat it as a
Speaker 2: goal that they can achieve economic freedom and that they
Speaker 2: are now able to do so. And so that's what
Speaker 2: it became. And then you put drugs in a community,
Speaker 2: and you give people the ability to capitalize at the
Speaker 2: same time as they're killing their own community, and you
Speaker 2: give these same people who you continuously you are continuously
Speaker 2: suppressing and oppressing, right, So that's the thing. It's like,
Speaker 2: there's no, it's completely it makes perfect sense to me
Speaker 2: why you would have black capitalists because the oppression never stopped.
Speaker 2: So like the the seeing it happened in front of
Speaker 2: your face all the time. Yeah, never stopped. And so
Speaker 2: you're like, well, I got to get out of this,
Speaker 2: get out of this.
Speaker 4: I had a lot of American brothers and sisters messaging me.
Speaker 4: They were not upset that they were challenging. I did
Speaker 4: a one hour interview on Middle East Eye and I
Speaker 4: brought up the fact that the NBA and NFL is
Speaker 4: a really good example of not us not recognizing our
Speaker 4: collective power. That's nice, you know, you look at I
Speaker 4: don't know what percentage of the NFL is black, I mean.
Speaker 2: Enough to say the vast majority.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I said, it's crazy to me that, you know,
Speaker 4: someone like Lebron James doesn't wake up and you know,
Speaker 4: and this is why they pay him and others so much.
Speaker 4: It's hard to have that bird's eye view perspective of saying,
Speaker 4: why do we just go and raise the money ourselves
Speaker 4: and set up a co op set up only the
Speaker 4: European players, that the white players that are good at
Speaker 4: using European they're going to come with us anyway, right
Speaker 4: and have real ownership. And then you look at the NFL,
Speaker 4: which in many ways is even worse because so many
Speaker 4: of the owners of the NFL teams are just just.
Speaker 2: Read this comment. This is what this is how we
Speaker 2: get for reals.
Speaker 4: I see Lord and he has Lord in his name.
Speaker 2: And love. But this is but is it.
Speaker 4: A human or bot? I mean, it.
Speaker 2: Doesn't it doesn't matter because they'll still be humans that
Speaker 2: respond to the bot. Right, But this is very much
Speaker 2: the thought process. Just shut up and get your money.
Speaker 4: M hmm, don't try yeah mm hmm. Well I mean
Speaker 4: getting them. Yeah. And that's that's the ir that's what
Speaker 4: the because.
Speaker 2: You know what, the other part of the of the
Speaker 2: of the NBA in the NFL, is that many of them,
Speaker 2: more NFL than NBA, are shaped by white men in
Speaker 2: their young lives in coach.
Speaker 4: Coaches who do not have the politics that recognize as
Speaker 4: the humanity of black and brown bodies, which is which
Speaker 4: I find so interesting. Right if you and then you
Speaker 4: look at the quarterbacks, like I'm forty seven, I you know,
Speaker 4: we didn't have black quarterbacks to what nineties.
Speaker 2: Nineties, like when Mike Nick was a quarterback. People were like,
Speaker 2: this is impossible.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because we were the Bucks, right you shut up?
Speaker 2: Well they said they literally said we're not smart enough.
Speaker 2: Not I and read the shit said we're not smart enough.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, And so I say that, I say, I say, actually,
Speaker 4: you know that the structure, the power structure on the
Speaker 4: field was well plantation based as as I'm concerned, right,
Speaker 4: and people like, what are you talking about and I'm like, better,
Speaker 4: look at it, just look at it. And how do
Speaker 4: we have the level of wealth that is in the
Speaker 4: NBA in terms of fifty million one hundred million? And
Speaker 4: you're telling me ten players couldn't get together and buy
Speaker 4: a major chunk of the team. You know, I think
Speaker 4: they're like three owners and those are you know, the
Speaker 4: the you know, the Michael Jordan's and their Yeah, you.
Speaker 2: Know if you like Claren Kaepernick kneeled for awareness around
Speaker 2: police brutality and the entire league didn't kneel with him.
Speaker 4: And then as a life, I mean you know that
Speaker 4: they have they even Spike Lee's doc have they pulled it?
Speaker 4: I don't think that's coming out.
Speaker 2: I didn't even know it existed.
Speaker 4: There's a big doc Spike's been doing for a long
Speaker 4: time on Caps Life, and I don't We'll see. HBO
Speaker 4: has just been bought, so we'll see. But I heard
Speaker 4: it's not, well, did it get bored? There's a new offer? Right?
Speaker 4: I thought it was.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about it a little later Larry Ellison and Oracle,
Speaker 2: So tell me this in this climate, how is it
Speaker 2: different in Britain in terms of creating if at all?
Speaker 2: Because in the United States, it's become damn near impossible
Speaker 2: for folks who want to create in the network system
Speaker 2: or in the studio system, you can't. You're not going
Speaker 2: to be able to create anything that is subversive, let
Speaker 2: alone that is that is black, let alone subversive. Right, Like,
Speaker 2: I grew up seeing so much black creativity and it's
Speaker 2: been withered and withered and withared to the point now
Speaker 2: where when I am scrolling, I genuinely don't see much
Speaker 2: of anything. And when I do see black people, we're
Speaker 2: in movies about cops, or we're in movies about politicians.
Speaker 2: So I'm curious in the British side of things what
Speaker 2: it looks like.
Speaker 4: Well, I think in the traditional mic and is I mean,
Speaker 4: it's all about money, right, Who's going to commission what?
Speaker 4: And you know, the first one I made with Netflix
Speaker 4: was because it was a guy. You know, it was
Speaker 4: a black woman, Fiona Lambti there was head of commissioning.
Speaker 4: Se then has left, right, And I think a lot
Speaker 4: of people are realizing that, And I think Gaza has
Speaker 4: everything to do with it, because there's a renaissance of
Speaker 4: what the consumer wants to see. So if you look
Speaker 4: at their three films, out voice of Hand. All this
Speaker 4: leftters you and Palestine thirty six. They're selling out in
Speaker 4: every single cinema, right. They all had to hustle like
Speaker 4: phone calls from uncles, aunties, rich rich every rich friends
Speaker 4: that you think care, and they have the film's finance.
Speaker 4: But what they've did, all of those films outside the
Speaker 4: studio system. Water Melon Pictures has been set up, yes,
Speaker 4: which is which which I my film has? They have
Speaker 4: a global rights to buy film right people, And what
Speaker 4: what I've.
Speaker 21: Learn, it's incredible because they're saying they're saying, we're just
Speaker 21: going to look at the blueprint of what has been
Speaker 21: done for the last hundred years, but do it with
Speaker 21: a with a global.
Speaker 4: Lens, and the consumer wants it. So what's going to
Speaker 4: happen now is that people are going to be flying
Speaker 4: to meet banks in the global South, to meet culture funds.
Speaker 4: I know three culture funds which I can't speak about,
Speaker 4: that are being set up by people of color. Right,
Speaker 4: there are parts of the Arab world that are like, oh,
Speaker 4: we shook we you know, we've been buying football teams,
Speaker 4: We've been buying useless truth pets. We're not going to
Speaker 4: make that mistake again. For the price of two yachts,
Speaker 4: we can have ten years of podcast being commissioned currently,
Speaker 4: TV shows, films, So that's all being built now. And
Speaker 4: I think a lot of folks that know how to
Speaker 4: move and where to move are going to be finding
Speaker 4: pocket of fiscal availability outside of the European and North
Speaker 4: American and making things. This is the other thing. Making
Speaker 4: the films that we never got to see. Palistein thirty
Speaker 4: six feels huge, right, but it is just one story.
Speaker 4: And how many films have we seen about Laverture and
Speaker 4: the Haitian Revolution? How many films have we seen about
Speaker 4: the Congo genocide and Leopold? How many films have we
Speaker 4: seen about the Mau Mau massacre. How many films have
Speaker 4: we seen about the Bengal famine. I can go on
Speaker 4: all day. People want to see that, and they're now
Speaker 4: going to be made and we don't have to ask
Speaker 4: permission of racist usually men that are sitting in their
Speaker 4: la offices trying to think that we are the only
Speaker 4: gatekeepers that you know, allow us to tell our stories.
Speaker 4: And you know, Tyler Perry, movies get made. Oprah is
Speaker 4: allowed to do what she does for a reason, you know,
Speaker 4: you know, we have to ask ourselves. No, But I
Speaker 4: know why hasn't Ne Tyler can make a movie about
Speaker 4: Luvita so for a good financial movie about you know,
Speaker 4: the Dema Mile massacre, right.
Speaker 2: I mean, you would think they did roots, you know,
Speaker 2: for the and it's like, how many times we're going
Speaker 2: to do ruths? How much new there's there's there's new
Speaker 2: knowledge about old things that need to be shared. And
Speaker 2: we don't even have any history after nineteen forty five.
Speaker 2: You're in the United States, missen, you would think that
Speaker 2: nothing happened after nineteen forty five, Like Martin Luther King
Speaker 2: was alive and then he died, not assassinated, he.
Speaker 4: Died Like I mean, I've just got that book, have you?
Speaker 4: Did you get the book without Sanctuary? Have you got
Speaker 4: that book yet?
Speaker 2: No? Without Sanctuary?
Speaker 4: I mean, America is so fucked about the Christmas the
Speaker 4: lynching Christmas cards. Well, not you, but Americans used to
Speaker 4: send themselves. So it's an extraordinary book that goes into detail.
Speaker 4: I mean this was this was a real practice where
Speaker 4: someone would send a relatively picture of a lynched black
Speaker 4: woman or black man as a Christmas card, and somebody
Speaker 4: needs to do no, no, and someone needs to do
Speaker 4: the documentary. And I know people don't want to see it,
Speaker 4: but I think of him every day. I don't want
Speaker 4: to get emotional now, but I think of George Skinny
Speaker 4: Junior every day. And Ava Devernet touched on it. But
Speaker 4: he needs his story told properly. You know, and people
Speaker 4: sometimes argue whether whether the Bible bit is true. You
Speaker 4: know that he was too small, so they made him
Speaker 4: sit on the Bible before they electrocuted him. You know,
Speaker 4: youngest person to be electrocuted. I don't even it doesn't
Speaker 4: matter they executed. They electrocuted a child in America for
Speaker 4: a crime that he did not commit. And that story,
Speaker 4: outside of little mini ten minute segments, has never been told.
Speaker 4: So yeah, that you're right. There are stories to be
Speaker 4: told and it's not And people say, oh, I'm tired
Speaker 4: of all the trauma and blah blah blah. Listen, if
Speaker 4: we talk about how many movies have been made about
Speaker 4: a singular story, I think of all the history lessons
Speaker 4: I had at school. They're just telling me the same story.
Speaker 2: I know more. I know more about the Holocaust than
Speaker 2: I did about my own people. I could tell you
Speaker 2: about Crystal knocked the Nuremberg Trials. I can tell you
Speaker 2: about the Warsaw Ghetto, the Warsaw Ghetto uprising. I can
Speaker 2: tell you about Dachau and Auschwitz and.
Speaker 4: Many great films, many great films.
Speaker 2: No, but I'm telling you I knew that from school.
Speaker 2: I knew that from school. I can sing the Drado song,
Speaker 2: Oh Drado, dradl Drado, I made it out of like
Speaker 2: can I can do all of that? However, I didn't
Speaker 2: do to Zionism.
Speaker 4: Do they teach you about Congo, Congo? About Leopold? Okay,
Speaker 4: we didn't learn.
Speaker 2: About I mean, we barely learned that Africa.
Speaker 4: Existed, So they didn't talk about ten million jenes, No,
Speaker 4: ten million hands being chopped off with kids, none of that.
Speaker 2: None of it. We haven't in the United States. I
Speaker 2: mean you have to really be intentional about your children
Speaker 2: or yourself learning the length that this nation has gone
Speaker 2: to exhibit harm against everybody who is not wife and
Speaker 2: then you go to a whole other level to see
Speaker 2: who the whites that they exhibited harm against because they
Speaker 2: wasn't okay with the app relations. Yeah, and so you know,
Speaker 2: we find ourselves at this really important zenith where which
Speaker 2: is why I refer to myself as an artistic intellectual
Speaker 2: where the necessity for art to educate is again back
Speaker 2: to It's no longer just like a subcategory. I feel
Speaker 2: like it needs to be the category that we're creating in,
Speaker 2: you know, because like for a lot of time, it's
Speaker 2: felt like, you know, can't we just have like a
Speaker 2: feel good film?
Speaker 4: No, no, no. And also I don't know how you know,
Speaker 4: in the art I've got a big exhibition of my
Speaker 4: photographs and again everyone's like saying, miss and put the
Speaker 4: BLM stuff, put the climate, put the quip, you're going
Speaker 4: to do so well, the art world's going to love you.
Speaker 4: I'm like, it's fifty percent images of Palestinian solidarity and
Speaker 4: resistance on three continents because that has been my lifetime.
Speaker 4: This the biggest single protest movement that I've ever witnessed
Speaker 4: with my lens. And again I put it all in
Speaker 4: a black owned gallery and it's become the busiest gallery
Speaker 4: show in London by quite a mile. But the big
Speaker 4: part is I'm in a position that I can force
Speaker 4: that issue to happen. The bigger question is if you
Speaker 4: look at the top ten black artists in the world,
Speaker 4: you know, what's the term they use blue chip artists.
Speaker 4: What are they saying about the world as we know what? No, no, no,
Speaker 4: I have to say, they'll be showing at the Googenheim,
Speaker 4: and they'll be showing here. But if your revolutionary work
Speaker 4: m makes rich folk comfortable.
Speaker 2: It ain't at the same time, then it makes them richer.
Speaker 4: Well as an asset class. Yes, of course, you know, yes,
Speaker 4: of course. But the thing about art is that when
Speaker 4: it's really dangerous is when it goes beyond that and
Speaker 4: that the people want it, then it becomes part of
Speaker 4: the zeigeist anyway, right, And I think I never waited
Speaker 4: to ask permission to do any of the things that
Speaker 4: I'm doing in terms of you know, if I have
Speaker 4: There's there's an image I have in the gallery that
Speaker 4: says fuck white privilege, with a woman wearing a mask
Speaker 4: laying Trump stinks. And somebody walks in saying, you know what,
Speaker 4: why would you have this in an exhibition? And I said,
Speaker 4: for the very reason that you have the infantry to
Speaker 4: sit there as a white person and ask me why
Speaker 4: I would have that in an exhibition is the reason
Speaker 4: why it has to be in the exhibition. And now
Speaker 4: go do the work. On yourself, right, you know. So
Speaker 4: I don't know how it does in America, but I
Speaker 4: think the museum system is the gallery system. A lot
Speaker 4: of people that are black, that are doing very well,
Speaker 4: are very, very scared. That's why Amy Sherrold is just
Speaker 4: a legend because she's I know, you're not going to
Speaker 4: do that to me. You know, she found she found
Speaker 4: a space where her work could breathe and be what
Speaker 4: it's supposed to be. They are not many Amy, Cheryl's
Speaker 4: out there.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you, well, that's what you were saying before though, right,
Speaker 2: I mean, like there there's like little pepperings of us
Speaker 2: in various spaces, and why that's also why it's so
Speaker 2: imperative that we all remain connected.
Speaker 4: And And to ask you what was your your lowest
Speaker 4: point in the last two years, because I know you've
Speaker 4: been vocal about all of this for a long time
Speaker 4: before October, but I know for most people it became
Speaker 4: I mean, I look at I mean miss Rachel's hiring
Speaker 4: security now, right, I mean, it's just it's it's out
Speaker 4: of it's out of control. Was there a time in
Speaker 4: the last two years where, not because people aren't necessarily
Speaker 4: after you, but the pure medieval violence reigned upon men, women,
Speaker 4: and children, but particularly children. For me, was there a
Speaker 4: moment where You're just like, I don't know what to do.
Speaker 4: I'll say anymore.
Speaker 2: February of twenty twenty. For I remember, I was just
Speaker 2: talking about this last night with my homegirl. Was I
Speaker 2: was sitting in my car in my garage. I had
Speaker 2: just come home. I was sitting in my car, I
Speaker 2: was on the phone with my homegirl, and I remember
Speaker 2: just sitting in the garage at the dark, talking to
Speaker 2: her and saying like, I just can't get like I
Speaker 2: don't want to kill myself, but it feels like I'm dead,
Speaker 2: Like it feels like death, Like I feel like I
Speaker 2: know what death is, and I am in a cloud
Speaker 2: every single day, like depression of But it wasn't. And
Speaker 2: the thing about it is that it was more, actually,
Speaker 2: if this is even possible, it was more than simply
Speaker 2: just the images that I was seeing out of Palestine.
Speaker 2: It was also simultaneously really understanding the complete deprivation of
Speaker 2: the nation that I'd lived in, of the system that
Speaker 2: I'd been supporting, so somewhat, you know, even on a
Speaker 2: democrat level of the world. And so it was a
Speaker 2: complete ego death of what I knew or thought I knew.
Speaker 2: But it was also a complete death of my existence,
Speaker 2: you know. So, I mean, it's just like watching Alderan
Speaker 2: be eviscerated and I I could. I mean, people saw
Speaker 2: me crying on Instagram every day. It was just and
Speaker 2: had I had to get on Lexapro. I mean, I
Speaker 2: had to get on because I just realized, like I mean,
Speaker 2: I developed ibs. Like I mean, it was just like,
Speaker 2: you can't you can't manage, like and I had to
Speaker 2: really meet myself at the reality of like, you can't manage,
Speaker 2: and you are dealing with a force that is not
Speaker 2: something you're making.
Speaker 4: Up, that is well organized, incredibly unemotional and in his
Speaker 4: long term intention to do what it needs. I mean,
Speaker 4: it's it's straight up Star Wars. And but the thing
Speaker 4: that makes us so much worse than Star Wars, apart
Speaker 4: from it being real, is that the you know that
Speaker 4: there was something, it's been removed from the Internet so
Speaker 4: I can't find it anymore. Of a child that was
Speaker 4: in the rubble, and she you could only see her
Speaker 4: head and the guys couldn't dig her out. She was
Speaker 4: in a position that they couldn't dig her out, and
Speaker 4: they knew that she was dying, and they knew and
Speaker 4: didn't have and they I talked to her and then
Speaker 4: one of the guys was playing with her hair, my sister,
Speaker 4: and she was there's something she didn't know she was dying,
Speaker 4: you know, and they were having and I locked myself.
Speaker 4: I have two little girls. I loved myself in the toilet.
Speaker 4: And you know, there's there are different types of crying, right.
Speaker 4: There's the kind of tears rolled down and you're like,
Speaker 4: you know, and then there's like I do that a lot,
Speaker 4: but this is the first time I can remember, at
Speaker 4: least in my adult life, no I wailed. I wailed.
Speaker 4: I I sounded like like an animal was it wasn't
Speaker 4: I didn't sound like you know. And and then then
Speaker 4: from that whiling, I would then go into one of
Speaker 4: because I wear many hats right, a work environment surrounded
Speaker 4: by people that are trying to tell me that this
Speaker 4: is exactly how it's supposed to be, and that can
Speaker 4: make that can I can see why people lose their minds?
Speaker 4: You know, Yes, it's.
Speaker 2: Because you know, and this is why it's so necessary
Speaker 2: to keep making the things right and doing the things,
Speaker 2: and I I'm going through that now with Sudan and
Speaker 2: the couso and hearing the stories that are coming out
Speaker 2: of there are a whole other level of retrobate. Reprobate.
Speaker 2: So it's it's you know, and you're you're trying to somehow.
Speaker 2: I feel like we're having to create a cellular capability
Speaker 2: that allows us to see it and its horror without
Speaker 2: becoming calloused. And thus, like the processing of it has
Speaker 2: to be not how do I not feel when I
Speaker 2: see this? But how do I become action oriented when
Speaker 2: I see this? Donis Yeah, it's a conscious decision I've
Speaker 2: had to make around how to take in this this information,
Speaker 2: you know, And then you see people like Hillary Clinton
Speaker 2: and Sarah Horowitz running around talking about, well, you know,
Speaker 2: the problem is really that people are watching TikTok, not
Speaker 2: the fact that there's acide happening.
Speaker 4: It's not the bombs. Yeah, and the arrogance. And this
Speaker 4: is the thing about confirmation bias, her level of arrogance.
Speaker 4: And you know, when you see someone like her saying,
Speaker 4: and she's fundamentally saying that when it all boils down
Speaker 4: to it, the only answer is violence. She can use
Speaker 4: all the you know finery that you know it. She's
Speaker 4: just saying the bombs have to drop and they have
Speaker 4: to continue dropping. And the the pure white supremacist viewpoint
Speaker 4: of her world is extraordinary to me that she can sit.
Speaker 4: And the second interview she did, the guy actually tried.
Speaker 4: He tried to push back and he goes, yeah, but
Speaker 4: what about the baby? I mean he tried, and she's like, well,
Speaker 4: war is war? I'm like, is it is that?
Speaker 2: What's happening in Ukraine?
Speaker 4: H don't let me start with that. I called I'm
Speaker 4: ambassador to Save the children and I got very frustrated
Speaker 4: with UNICF. So the two biggest charities, not with UNISF
Speaker 4: but because there's some amazing people at UNICEF, but the
Speaker 4: biggest ambassador for UNISF from a British point of view
Speaker 4: is somebody called David Beckham. I'm sure you've heard of
Speaker 4: and I remember vocal. Well, he wasn't doing anything like
Speaker 4: that for the last two years for Palestinian kids, yet
Speaker 4: he was incredibly vocal for Ukrainian children. And I don't
Speaker 4: mind if you're rich, I don't mind if you're famous.
Speaker 4: You can get on with your life and enjoy it.
Speaker 4: But if you choose and this is where we get
Speaker 4: into an issue with me. If you choose to be
Speaker 4: a children's good will ambassador, right, and there's a place
Speaker 4: that is the size of a postage lamp with a
Speaker 4: million children, that has had six Hiroshimas dropped on it,
Speaker 4: and you haven't said anything, and your good will ambassador
Speaker 4: for the biggest children's charity in the world. I have
Speaker 4: a problem with you. Either you relinquish that or you
Speaker 4: these children. And I will say, I just need your voice,
Speaker 4: just speak say something. It really matters. In the British
Speaker 4: cultural setup. He is someone that he can get a
Speaker 4: meeting within one hour with the Prime Minister. This is
Speaker 4: the way things are set up, right, it is what
Speaker 4: it is. There's something you know, You've got your knighthood,
Speaker 4: you've got all your things, but you see, you are
Speaker 4: still a children's ambassador. And I found that extraordinary to me,
Speaker 4: the amount of good will ambassadors for children in the
Speaker 4: last two years that were completely and utterly mute in
Speaker 4: the biggest attack on children that we have seen in
Speaker 4: the generation. You know, just just.
Speaker 2: Because white children's ambassadors, they're they're they're ambassadors in really
Speaker 2: just the regard of and they may not even know this,
Speaker 2: but they're really just tools for soft power because a
Speaker 2: lot of the actual services being provided to the children
Speaker 2: that they are the ambassador for are done so with
Speaker 2: an attachment to some level of leverage or leverage or
Speaker 2: power that is being carried out. So like when you
Speaker 2: see someone like Bill Gates or you see the United
Speaker 2: States government somewhere helping kids, it's never done in altruism.
Speaker 2: It's never done in altruism. It's always done in an
Speaker 2: exchange of power, whether it's militarized or I can right.
Speaker 2: So then you they get celebrities who come on board
Speaker 2: to be the children's ambassadors, which sounds very noble and
Speaker 2: very like weak care. And those celebrities don't realize that
Speaker 2: while they are simultaneously also building up their own face
Speaker 2: and their own you know, report reputation for being a
Speaker 2: good person, they are actively supporting systems that are in
Speaker 2: place to actually diminish these people's safety. So it's a
Speaker 2: part of the NGO, you know, nonprofit system that really
Speaker 2: does not seek to solve problems. So I'm feeling particularly
Speaker 2: skeptical today, cynical today. So you're getting a lot of
Speaker 2: you're getting all the.
Speaker 4: No but you know, we've you know, but you know
Speaker 4: we've we've this two years. You know, I look back
Speaker 4: and I think none of us, none of us, are
Speaker 4: ever going to be the same, you know, the whatever
Speaker 4: whatever veil that was on. For me, it's just all
Speaker 4: gone right, and I'm not alone. But what's amazing is
Speaker 4: that a lot of other people And this is what
Speaker 4: gives me hope, because sometimes you're like, where's the hope,
Speaker 4: Where's is that a lot of people on beginning to
Speaker 4: go on a journey to like, oh shit, the Democrats,
Speaker 4: the Republicans just bomb everyone. That being right or center
Speaker 4: or left depending on where you live doesn't mean that
Speaker 4: you're not bombing people. And then you because I remember
Speaker 4: one of the big wake up calls for me was
Speaker 4: I'm not American, but I will say that if I was,
Speaker 4: I would be obviously a progressive, left leaning Democrat. And
Speaker 4: I'm like, how can I you know, I watch Joe Biden.
Speaker 4: But even that's not enough go on camera saying that.
Speaker 2: But everything you just said, that's not even a thing like,
Speaker 2: that's not being a progressive, left leaning Democrat. You're still
Speaker 2: a part of the liberal system that upholds all the ship.
Speaker 4: No, that's that's the thing that I think if I
Speaker 4: was American, my wake up call to that would have
Speaker 4: been the Biden administration in the last eighty years.
Speaker 2: I see, I see, and I think, Okay, so you
Speaker 2: know what, I agree with you, because I not agree.
Speaker 2: It's not the word I was there. I was. I
Speaker 2: was that person.
Speaker 4: Hmm lin the Thomas Greenfield like you know, Auntie. I
Speaker 4: did a post saying, how am I going to tell
Speaker 4: my daughters? This is the sort of person that I
Speaker 4: used to think I would tell my daughters about for
Speaker 4: them to look up to, right, And I'm like, what
Speaker 4: am I going to say? And I had a whole
Speaker 4: bunch of folks get in the comments saying, miss and
Speaker 4: have you looked at her? CV, it's better to have
Speaker 4: one of us in the room, And I said, no,
Speaker 4: it's not. If that room is erasing a people, then
Speaker 4: I don't want any of us in it, right, or
Speaker 4: even better, the person that wasn't it If they want greatness, right,
Speaker 4: if it's about the cult of individualism, if they want legend,
Speaker 4: resign exactly, resign Pamla Harris, if she had resigned saying
Speaker 4: this is a crazy old man. I can't deal with him. Resign,
Speaker 4: do not wheel out Bill Clinton to dearborn and have
Speaker 4: him say things to Arab Americans like Judean Samaria, are
Speaker 4: you mad?
Speaker 2: Are you mad?
Speaker 4: Bring go and bring a palace in the person, Bring
Speaker 4: a progressive Jewish person, bring them together, stand there and
Speaker 4: saying this, we need to cease fire. This is if
Speaker 4: you if you don't at that stage once you use
Speaker 4: the word genocide, but you can use all kinds of
Speaker 4: ethnic cleansing other terms, But do not wheel out Clinton
Speaker 4: to a place with more Arab Americans than anyone else
Speaker 4: and expect that anyone under twenty five is going to
Speaker 4: care any white, black, brown people that are just on
Speaker 4: the side of like this is this is crazy. And
Speaker 4: of course any traumatized Arabs who are in diaspora seeing
Speaker 4: children in their image and their limbs removed being eaten
Speaker 4: by dogs. This is not dogs. What do we what?
Speaker 4: You know? Anyway, So that's what you do instead of
Speaker 4: us saying, no, we celebrate any of us that are
Speaker 4: in the room. Which room, If the room is just
Speaker 4: ripping with blood, why should we be inside?
Speaker 2: Well, that's what Martin Luther King said. Doctor Doctor Martin
Speaker 2: Luther King Junior said, you know, I feel like I've
Speaker 2: integrated my people into a burning house. And what he
Speaker 2: meant by that was he thought that the United States
Speaker 2: had some level of moral code and it does not,
Speaker 2: and so he has literally ushered his people into an immoral,
Speaker 2: unethical space where they are now going to be used
Speaker 2: against themselves.
Speaker 4: And that's what happened.
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean he can't even read, so he's probably
Speaker 2: got so much CT. So we have one question from
Speaker 2: our bridge across the pond, Reese, who asks a pleasure
Speaker 2: to witness this conversation. Also, mister Harriman, I'm friends with
Speaker 2: Nadia so Wilha and Mark, so this is wondrous intersection
Speaker 2: going to the new year. Do you have any further
Speaker 2: activism projects?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Nadia is a Jordanian British treasure. So's her amazing
Speaker 4: husband Mark. She has been a real deal since the
Speaker 4: very beginning. I have photographed her reading the names of
Speaker 4: murdered children outside the houses of Parliament. I love that
Speaker 4: woman with all my heart. Yeah, look, I've got my projects.
Speaker 4: Why why I photographed black children with down syndrome. So
Speaker 4: I'm trying to find a way to so again with
Speaker 4: my lens, I point to communities and places that don't
Speaker 4: always get the recognition I've had the honor of photographing
Speaker 4: so even within Down syndrome, they have just in general,
Speaker 4: they raised black children right, and I don't know if
Speaker 4: you know, Down's children are all angels, and to have
Speaker 4: black babies with Down's big, you know, photograph of me,
Speaker 4: it was more important to me than any celeb that
Speaker 4: I've ever shot. So I'm trying to make sure We've
Speaker 4: done a few little shows and exhibitions, but that's a
Speaker 4: big program that I'm trying to reach others' I'm trying
Speaker 4: to get into Sudan. I'm trying to get into Congo
Speaker 4: with my camera. I was in Somalia and Hiro. With
Speaker 4: some of the projects that I'm working on. It's it's
Speaker 4: getting harder and harder for me to get into certain places.
Speaker 4: I want to get to the West Bank, but I'm
Speaker 4: on a very very very very naughty list with you
Speaker 4: know who, so my safety isn't guaranteed there that I'm
Speaker 4: just going to keep pointing my lens and then I'm
Speaker 4: shooting my next my next movie as well. So so
Speaker 4: are you.
Speaker 2: Allowed to talk about that or not allowed? But are
Speaker 2: you interested?
Speaker 4: What two things I'll say about films The one that
Speaker 4: I'm hoping to shoot next year is about addiction and
Speaker 4: redemption in a forgotten America, starring a major one of
Speaker 4: the great actors of our time, a black man. That's
Speaker 4: all I can say. The second one, which is in
Speaker 4: development and you'll love this, and I'm developing a movie
Speaker 4: about a Beyonce level pop star that has her private jet.
Speaker 4: Let's say she's in Grenada or whatever. It stops working
Speaker 4: and she's without her team. She's stuck in an island
Speaker 4: and she goes down a Reddit rabbit hole and realizes
Speaker 4: that she is literally the face of capitalism of a
Speaker 4: supremacist ecosystem from Fast Fashioned and it's a comedy akin
Speaker 4: to Don't Look Up and Remember where. The movie basically
Speaker 4: starts with her being isolated, gone down a rabbit hole,
Speaker 4: and she tweets free Palestine, Freesuodown, free Congo, and it's
Speaker 4: like deaf Con seven, like they call the presidents and
Speaker 4: call the President, And it's about what the team in
Speaker 4: New York and LA are trying to do to mitigate this,
Speaker 4: and the journey that this star has on realizing the
Speaker 4: inherent power of this immense audience that they've been given
Speaker 4: because This is why I keep bringing up celebrities, you see.
Speaker 4: It's that not because I see them as some messianic figures.
Speaker 4: It's that they won the land grab of the real
Speaker 4: estate that for now we're stuck with. If you look
Speaker 4: at the top ten most followed people on Instagram alone,
Speaker 4: it is four coverians, three or four footballers, Taylor, Beyonce,
Speaker 4: what have you, and the total following is almost four
Speaker 4: billion people. Right, this is this is obscene. And they
Speaker 4: they can literally once a week do a post with
Speaker 4: a fund raiser, right that could raise more money than
Speaker 4: every single humanitarian organization can find. And they wouldn't have
Speaker 4: to leave their bedrooms. Okay, so I'm not asking them
Speaker 4: to become revolutionaries at the tip of the spear of
Speaker 4: any movement. I'm saying, now you've got the land grab
Speaker 4: usup it and then use it. And you're too rich
Speaker 4: to be to even need to be worried about being canceled.
Speaker 4: How can you cancel jay Z and Beyonce?
Speaker 2: Oh well, and Swiss Beats. You know, I look at
Speaker 2: Alicia Keys and Swiss Beads. You know, Swiss Beats is
Speaker 2: out here being Muslim, you know, with the name business Muslim.
Speaker 2: He grew up in in that context. His name is Cassim,
Speaker 2: his son's name is Cassim. And they have not said
Speaker 2: anything because they will get phone calls or they'll lose
Speaker 2: their money, et cetera. You know, and Alicia Keys loves
Speaker 2: to talk about you know, civil rights and blah blah blah,
Speaker 2: and some people will say, well, maybe they're doing stuff
Speaker 2: in the background. And I guess what I would say
Speaker 2: now is that the days of doing stuff in the
Speaker 2: background is no longer. It's it's we cannot continue to
Speaker 2: support surreptitious support because you're if you're actively also supporting
Speaker 2: in silence.
Speaker 4: And you cannot have hundreds of millions of followers and
Speaker 4: not use that. It's like said, it's like you have
Speaker 4: this reach. And Muhammed Ali, for example, before social media,
Speaker 4: and this is what Mayweather has always got frustrated about
Speaker 4: in terms of not being called the great, is that
Speaker 4: most people today, if you see posts about Ali, it's
Speaker 4: not him fighting in the ring.
Speaker 2: No, it's him with Malcolm X, It's him schooling aponous
Speaker 2: white interviewer. You know, it's him talking about being a
Speaker 2: person a faith of character, right of revolutionary radical mindsets
Speaker 2: to this day that to this day, we're the right moves,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like, there's no, there hasn't
Speaker 2: been like some you know, some type of epiphany where
Speaker 2: people are like, man, he made the wrong choice. No,
Speaker 2: he was actually right the whole time, with.
Speaker 4: His whole chest on prime time right. And this is
Speaker 4: this is exactly what a Pharral or a jay Z
Speaker 4: Street you would think this stage in their career, like
Speaker 4: what are they upholding? What are they play? I get
Speaker 4: I almost understand playing the game together there, but when
Speaker 4: you are in the room, the whole point is to
Speaker 4: remember why you wanted to get in that room. Right.
Speaker 2: But then Jon tried to open a casino in the
Speaker 2: middle of New York City. So, and people will say,
Speaker 2: but they also do good things, And I'm just like,
Speaker 2: why can't you just do good things? Why? Why? Why
Speaker 2: is why is there like a give and take? Why
Speaker 2: why I don't understand that?
Speaker 4: So and even for the pasign. Now, you know, if
Speaker 4: people say, well, you know, black folks talk about black folks,
Speaker 4: then they should talk about Congo and how about that?
Speaker 2: Fine? And you can't talk about the Congo and Sudent
Speaker 2: without yes, yes, but.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, your too. I'm saying to advance, you're
Speaker 4: going from iOS three to iOS fourteen.
Speaker 2: Listen, thank you so much for joining us.
Speaker 4: My pleasure, my pleasure, thank you so much. Just before
Speaker 4: I go, I will say this about Congo. Imagine if
Speaker 4: jay Z, I don't know doctor Dre Pharrell pulled up
Speaker 4: Tim Cook at Apple and said, Tim, you have one
Speaker 4: trillion dollars cash reserves. It would be a rounding era
Speaker 4: to set up a thirty billion dollar fund to make
Speaker 4: sure that no child under eighteen is anywhere near the
Speaker 4: mining system, right, to make sure all the schools, hospitals
Speaker 4: are built, roads built, that the best conga lese mines
Speaker 4: in country and in diaspora are leading this charge in
Speaker 4: making sure a country that should be richer than Saudi Arabia,
Speaker 4: that is fueling the future. This Aim Cook would say.
Speaker 2: Tim Cook would say, I don't have the power because
Speaker 2: that's and that's the other part is that the people
Speaker 2: that we think are running the show ain't even running
Speaker 2: the goddamn show.
Speaker 4: True. But if you had Lebron jay Z, the people
Speaker 4: that shape culture actually speak in one voice about this thing,
Speaker 4: it will I think it would trying.
Speaker 2: To get into But this is the thing, like I
Speaker 2: don't even want I don't I actually don't want them
Speaker 2: to just speak. Like what what made Princess Diana so
Speaker 2: you know, crazy to the to the monarchy was that
Speaker 2: she physically went mm hmmm, you know, like she physically
Speaker 2: went and spoke to people. She physically went and walked
Speaker 2: through the land mines and apparently Palestine was next on
Speaker 2: her agenda, and they took her out. I believe that
Speaker 2: they took her out. It's alleged, but that's my belief.
Speaker 2: I say that to say it actually isn't enough for
Speaker 2: them to just go to Tim Cook. I think that
Speaker 2: there's something very real about the fact that these people
Speaker 2: have the money and the safety and the capability to.
Speaker 4: Bring things to a yeah, to do them. So I
Speaker 4: forget how wealthy they are.
Speaker 2: I mean like it's like next level the wealth is
Speaker 2: next level the wealth reason.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know we're going to go. You're amazing. Are
Speaker 4: you ever in London?
Speaker 2: I would like to be. I would like to be.
Speaker 2: I need to be. I need to be. I need
Speaker 2: to be on more international spaces and whatnot. So I
Speaker 2: am trying to do more podcasts from you know, having
Speaker 2: and not just like in an ambitious mindset but in
Speaker 2: a we need to be having like these cross connection
Speaker 2: cost cultural conversations. Part of what has been so problematic
Speaker 2: in the United States is that we've really been siloed
Speaker 2: and that has limited our ability to be useful for
Speaker 2: not only ourselves but for the world. And so there
Speaker 2: has to be a geopolitical consciousness that is actively pursued.
Speaker 2: So I'm making it my business to try to have
Speaker 2: more conversations outside of the United States sphere. And so
Speaker 2: if you know any podcasts on the international stage that
Speaker 2: you think I should connect with, let me know.
Speaker 4: Of course, of course, thank you for having me. Thank you,
Speaker 4: So I wouldn't say I won't say happy holidays, because
Speaker 4: I genuinely think it is this time where we need
Speaker 4: to recognize that eighty Congo, Sudan, Palestine, this is the
Speaker 4: time you need to think about what you're going to
Speaker 4: do about it. Whilst you're a home over fed, think
Speaker 4: about it. For me, my film Watermelon Pictures, just follow them.
Speaker 4: They're gonna, you know, show in the chat.
Speaker 2: So he'll put it in the chat again, y'all, And
Speaker 2: thank you so much for the work that you do.
Speaker 2: And yeah, let's let's continue. And sending me to the
Speaker 2: eleven DMS. Let me tell you something. Massan is gonna
Speaker 2: send you every.
Speaker 4: Post so you know, you know, when I meet someone
Speaker 4: that is on my spectrum, I love it right because
Speaker 4: there's a friend of mine Lisa Morris, so she sends
Speaker 4: even more than I do. I have. I can't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I just no, no, no. Honestly, when I
Speaker 2: read you're in your your IG bio today, I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's why.
Speaker 4: Fully, I'm not trying to that's me trying to limit myself.
Speaker 2: I respect it. I respect it. I'm telling you. Once
Speaker 2: I saw the bio today, I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: get it now, I understand where a can mine is
Speaker 2: more compartmentalized. I have very specific people that I send
Speaker 2: specific things, Like some people they get all posts that
Speaker 2: I see about mushrooms. One person he gets anything I
Speaker 2: see about FIREFLI because I know he loves fireflies. My
Speaker 2: homeboy Luke is going to get anything that is wizards,
Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings and animals being cool. And it's
Speaker 2: very very specific. I used to send somebody whales, but
Speaker 2: they fell off my list, so no more will posts.
Speaker 2: It just is what it is.
Speaker 4: Oh gosh, well that makes me feel at better.
Speaker 2: What Oh you felt bad. I'm sorry, apologies. I wasn't
Speaker 2: trying to I was just kidding. I was just having
Speaker 2: a laugh.
Speaker 4: You know that. I absolutely love the idea that no
Speaker 4: one can pretend to be who they're not online, Like
Speaker 4: if you look at the behavior of all of us,
Speaker 4: it's us. It's us, right, you know, like it is
Speaker 4: who you are. And I love when people pretend like
Speaker 4: they think that they're it's us.
Speaker 2: They're playing there, they think they're playing five D chess.
Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, it's just you.
Speaker 2: Excu Well, I'm glad we got to meet digitally. I
Speaker 2: look forward to us meeting in person.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: I will make it my business to watch the film
Speaker 2: now that I actually it's like when i'm home, I
Speaker 2: don't get time to do anything. When I'm on the
Speaker 2: road is when I actually get time because I just
Speaker 2: between doing things. I'm like, oh, I can watch stuff.
Speaker 2: So I will be watching the film before.
Speaker 4: My film watch the Voice of hind Red job please
Speaker 4: please watch.
Speaker 2: Off noted Jens. We really don't have a lot of
Speaker 2: time because I have to go somewhere, so I just
Speaker 2: want to run through some things with you all before
Speaker 2: we go. Actually, the most important thing I want to run.
Speaker 4: Through with you.
Speaker 2: All is Indonesia. So let's just get into because we've
Speaker 2: really covered a lot this show. We've really covered a
Speaker 2: lot safety. I want some news right.
Speaker 11: Now.
Speaker 2: Climate change is not by accident. It is not natural,
Speaker 2: and that is something that is really being peddled to
Speaker 2: make people feel like it's not their responsibility to be
Speaker 2: challenging the ways in which it is being caused. And
Speaker 2: it's really disconcerting when you see this footage and you
Speaker 2: understand stand that it can be prevented. The fossil fuel
Speaker 2: industry is what is causing what is happening, and I
Speaker 2: don't think people understand that it's really a two plus
Speaker 2: two thing. You don't have to be a scientist, it's
Speaker 2: not complicated. It's really something very basic. When we burn
Speaker 2: fossil fuels, it releases gases into our ecosystem that warm
Speaker 2: up the space between the Earth and the atmosphere, and
Speaker 2: that warmth can usually be mitigated. However, because it's happening
Speaker 2: in such great numbers, it's causing the Earth to mitigate
Speaker 2: in ways that are causing all of this disaster. So
Speaker 2: the ways that the Earth is responding to this in
Speaker 2: order to allow it to exist. Are what's causing the
Speaker 2: harm to all of the people and animals. The Earth
Speaker 2: is trying to survive. It is literally being beaten down
Speaker 2: by human action. I want to show you this video
Speaker 2: by James Hansen.
Speaker 4: Who is a foster society.
Speaker 22: Our governments are forcing the public to subsidize fossil fuels
Speaker 22: by four hundred to five hundred billion dollars per year worldwide,
Speaker 22: thus encouraging extraction of every fossil fuel mountaintop removal, long
Speaker 22: wall mining, fracking, tarsans, tar shale, deep ocean arctic drilling.
Speaker 22: This path, if continued, guarantees that we will pass tipping
Speaker 22: points leading to ice sheet disintegration that will accelerate out
Speaker 22: of control of future generations. A large fraction of species
Speaker 22: will be committed to extinction, and increasing intensity of droughts
Speaker 22: in floods will severely impact bread baskets of the world,
Speaker 22: causing massive famines and economic decline. Imagine a giant asteroid
Speaker 22: on a direct collision course with Earth that is the
Speaker 22: equivalent of what we face now, Yet we dither, taking
Speaker 22: no action to divert the asteroid, even though the longer
Speaker 22: we wait, the more difficult and expensive it becomes. If
Speaker 22: we'd started in two thousand and five, it would have
Speaker 22: required emission reductions of three percent per year to restore
Speaker 22: planetary energy balance and stabilize climate this century. If we
Speaker 22: start next year, it is six percent per year. If
Speaker 22: we wait ten years, it is fifteen percent per year.
Speaker 22: Extremely difficult and expensive, perhaps impossible.
Speaker 4: But we aren't even starting.
Speaker 22: So now you know what I know that is moving
Speaker 22: me to sound this alarm. Clearly, I haven't got this
Speaker 22: message across. The science is clear. I need your help
Speaker 22: to communicate the gravity and the urgency of this situation
Speaker 22: and its solutions more effectively. We owe it to our
Speaker 22: children and grandchildren.
Speaker 4: Thank you, y'all. That was.
Speaker 2: From twelve years ago. Twelve years ago, that's crazy. Hold on, anyways,
Speaker 2: this is not something that's happening by accident. And this
Speaker 2: was twelve years ago, and look it's happening right now still.
Speaker 2: The Trump EPA removes all mention of human caused climate
Speaker 2: crisis from public web pages. This is disinformation, misinformation, and
Speaker 2: I don't know how we can I don't know how
Speaker 2: we can really challenge it unless we really begin to
Speaker 2: understand it in a really like real way. And so
Speaker 2: part of the understanding it in a real way also
Speaker 2: is in how we understand the land, and I will
Speaker 2: bring us back to the necessity of indigenous knowledge. And
Speaker 2: it's not some woo woo concept. It is a actual
Speaker 2: way of caring.
Speaker 23: If we take care of the land, the land takes
Speaker 23: care of us. This is about a relationship, a mutual
Speaker 23: love story. It's not an accident that eighty percent of
Speaker 23: the world's remaining bio diversity are located on lands managed
Speaker 23: and loved by indigenous peoples. We have been in relationships
Speaker 23: with the plants and animals of our territories and waters
Speaker 23: for millennia.
Speaker 8: We care for each other poorly.
Speaker 23: We have values, inside, strategies and knowledge to offer to
Speaker 23: the rest of the global community with respect to how
Speaker 23: to be a part of and care for our environment.
Speaker 23: This knowledge is essential right now. Can help people and
Speaker 23: the land heal from ecological crises and colonization, It can
Speaker 23: help restore the planet, and it can help save us all.
Speaker 23: By fully respecting and acknowledging Indigenous led approaches to the land,
Speaker 23: we can help create a better future for all.
Speaker 2: So that is Valerie courtois. She is a national leader
Speaker 2: in Canada and the Indigenous led conservation and steward and
Speaker 2: stewardship movement, and she is a part of the First Nations,
Speaker 2: And you know, I would say that the Canadian First
Speaker 2: Nations folks, they really are leading the charge in this.
Speaker 2: I just saw an article and I'll talk about it
Speaker 2: on Instagram and I'm Patreon about an actual Native American
Speaker 2: group in the United States getting an ICE contract to
Speaker 2: actually create detention centers. And I just I had to
Speaker 2: take a nap. I'm just like, what are we talking about?
Speaker 2: What are we talking about? So I just want to
Speaker 2: I want to continue to get our knowledge base up
Speaker 2: on how we are understanding the climate crisis and how
Speaker 2: we are fighting it, because it's not something that is
Speaker 2: just happening in a microcosm. It's happening all over. We're
Speaker 2: seeing it, whether it's in floods, orange roughts, we're seeing it,
Speaker 2: whether it's in entire ecosystems losing all of by biodiversity
Speaker 2: or including coral reefs dying being bleached. So you know,
Speaker 2: we really are not realistically about about it if we're
Speaker 2: not including that in our activism, in our organizing, and
Speaker 2: in our ways of interacting with this world. So I
Speaker 2: want to make sure that we're getting up on that
Speaker 2: quick note on Luigi Luigi, things are looking up for
Speaker 2: Luigi because it looks like Luigi is actually y'all, they
Speaker 2: played themselves when it comes to Luigi, because real quick,
Speaker 2: because I do need to go. There was a cop
Speaker 2: who just showed up at the scene for Luigi. Okay,
Speaker 2: she wasn't actually a part of the original investigation. She
Speaker 2: just showed up. And then she leaves, takes his backpack,
Speaker 2: and it turns off her camera for eleven minutes.
Speaker 12: And one second.
Speaker 2: Turns off his camera, turns off for camera for eleven minutes,
Speaker 2: meets up with some other cop. Okay, meets up with
Speaker 2: some other cop. Camera turns back on. Now they showed
Speaker 2: up at the precinct and there's a gun and a
Speaker 2: manifesto that's all of a sudden surprise in the backpack.
Speaker 2: Then they put out this footage of him giving a
Speaker 2: fake name when he's encountered by the cops, and yeah, okay. Also,
Speaker 2: he don't got the brows. The brows don't line up.
Speaker 2: The person who was in that video didn't have hair
Speaker 2: between the eyes. Bro the setup, bro, this is basic basic.
Speaker 2: He also never was read his rights. He was like
Speaker 2: questioned for twenty minutes before he was read his rights.
Speaker 2: There's further footage where they're literally debating whether a warrant
Speaker 2: was needed to search his belongings. What again? This lady
Speaker 2: who took it was her? She wore blue medical gloves.
Speaker 2: She showed up with blue medical gloves and a detailed
Speaker 2: defense lawyer Say suggests that she planned to search the
Speaker 2: bag again and knew what she might find. In her testimony,
Speaker 2: she testifies that she took eleven minutes to make a
Speaker 2: nine minute drive and claimed she made a stop to
Speaker 2: retrieve a McDonald's bag. So, actually, I correct myself. It
Speaker 2: wasn't backpack. She had the backpack she retrieved at McDonald's
Speaker 2: back from another officer. But y'all, she said she couldn't
Speaker 2: remember who the officer was, and she couldn't remember where
Speaker 2: she met him. You know what, Free Luigi, Yeah, free Luigi.
Speaker 2: The long way you heard me.
Speaker 12: As a.
Speaker 2: You know, people say things to me quite often about
Speaker 2: how I am supposed to exist as a leader. They'll
Speaker 2: tell me that this is what a leader would do.
Speaker 2: If you or a leader, you would tell us who
Speaker 2: to vote for. If you were a leader, you would
Speaker 2: tell us how to process your information. If you were
Speaker 2: a leader, you wouldn't just give us information without solutions.
Speaker 2: And I find this fascinating because one of the key
Speaker 2: elements of educating is allowing students to critically think, to
Speaker 2: come up with results, to identify solutions. We have lived
Speaker 2: in a nation that is overmanaged. Everybody has a manager,
Speaker 2: everybody has a boss, everybody has a director, everybody has
Speaker 2: protocols and policies and directives, and you know, all these
Speaker 2: instructions all the time that are literally alleviating you from
Speaker 2: having to think, to the point where constantly when I
Speaker 2: am working folks, when I'm working with folks, we have
Speaker 2: to tell them, just do what you think is best.
Speaker 2: And so we find ourselves as a nation crippled by
Speaker 2: weaponized incompetence. So often folks are literally weaponizing their incompetence
Speaker 2: with insults to me, mad that I am not responding
Speaker 2: to their perceived incompetence by letting them by telling them
Speaker 2: what to do. No, I will not tell you what
Speaker 2: to do, because there has to be a stop. You know,
Speaker 2: when you take antibiotics, if you don't finish the run
Speaker 2: of antibiotics, you become obstinate to the added antibiotics. Your
Speaker 2: body starts to build up a of course, I can't
Speaker 2: think of the word because I'm so fucking hungry, But
Speaker 2: your body builds up A say the word for me, y'all,
Speaker 2: what's the word put in the chat? Somebody knows the words?
Speaker 2: Your body builds up a come on, somebody, no resistance,
Speaker 2: thank you. Your body wills up a resistance to the antibiotic.
Speaker 2: What the antibiotic is doing is coming into your body,
Speaker 2: and it is filling your body with antibodies that are
Speaker 2: supposed to fight off the thing. If you don't finish
Speaker 2: the antibiotic, then instead of your body welcoming in those
Speaker 2: antibioty antibodies and them then dissipating when they're done, your
Speaker 2: body starts to actually like interact with those antibioties. Antibiodies.
Speaker 2: Your body starts to interact with those antibodies. And now
Speaker 2: it is not going to be as effective the next
Speaker 2: time because your body is like, oh, we know these niggaves.
Speaker 2: We got that we have been affected by a psychological
Speaker 2: operation that operates like antibodies. It has been so consistently
Speaker 2: disseminated within us for such consistent runs that that we
Speaker 2: are unable what is happening that is preventing us hold on,
Speaker 2: that is preventing us from being able to actually be
Speaker 2: in resistance. So we need to resist the influx. We
Speaker 2: need to resist the constant necessity to be told what
Speaker 2: to do and ask ourselves why are we doing something?
Speaker 2: What are we doing? We have to change the way
Speaker 2: our brains function. We have to start asking why. If
Speaker 2: you're telling me that I'm supposed to tell you who
Speaker 2: to vote for, then you have already now given over
Speaker 2: yourself to follow me blindly, which you should absolutely not
Speaker 2: be doing. You should be asking why. And if I'm
Speaker 2: telling you why somebody is not a candidate worth supporting,
Speaker 2: you have built into the complaint what your next action
Speaker 2: should be. And if you cannot figure out what your
Speaker 2: next action should be, you should be asking yourself why
Speaker 2: you don't know what the next action should be, not
Speaker 2: asking me why I'm not telling you. I am not
Speaker 2: telling you because I want to foster brains that function beyond.
Speaker 2: I am not telling you because I want to foster
Speaker 2: brains that function beyond. Colonization and colonized minds are drones.
Speaker 2: Colonize minds move because they were told to move. Colonized
Speaker 2: minds don't understand why they're moving, and they don't care.
Speaker 2: They just want to feel safe. But you need to
Speaker 2: know that you are safe. And the only way to
Speaker 2: do that is to have your own thoughts and your
Speaker 2: own capability of understanding. And that is the type of
Speaker 2: leadership that I am trying to instill in you. A
Speaker 2: All right, y'all, it's time to go. We need to
Speaker 2: eat something, and yes, Adrian to arg yesterday, we have done.
Speaker 2: I'm going to make sure to create the link for
Speaker 2: Adreon so all of my subscribers come on over and
Speaker 2: be a part of the after you have not been
Speaker 2: a part of the play. All right, So thank you
Speaker 2: to miss and Harriman for joining. Thank you, of course
Speaker 2: for Savvy Savas joining. I hope that you guys learned
Speaker 2: as much as I did today because it was definitely
Speaker 2: another educational one, which is my favorite kind of show.
Speaker 2: I will be in Houston, okay, I'm going to be
Speaker 2: in Houston tonight. I will be in New Orleans tomorrow.
Speaker 2: I will be in Atlanta on Saturday. All my at aliens,
Speaker 2: can you please actually let me turn off the music
Speaker 2: so I can make sure y'all hear this all my
Speaker 2: at aliens. Can you please get your RSVPs in Okay,
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Speaker 2: on through. And I'll be in Dallas on Sunday, so
Speaker 2: make sure that you come and join me for this
Speaker 2: mission driven book tour. For what would the ancestors say?
Speaker 2: I wish you all a fabulous rest of your day.
Speaker 2: And let's see, do I even have thirty sixty second headlines?
Speaker 2: I mean, are thirty seconds of stillness? I don't even know.
Speaker 2: I don't forgot my hard drive. I'm just out here.
Speaker 2: I'm just out here, and I'm pretty sure that I
Speaker 2: don't have a six thirty seconds of stillness. Damn you
Speaker 2: know it's killing me. So this is gonna be the
Speaker 2: first time that we don't have it. No, no, no,
Speaker 2: I can't. I can't look like that we're gonna have
Speaker 2: a thirty seconds of stillness. Hold on, hold on, talk
Speaker 2: amongst yourselves. The bonus question is what is leadership to you?
Speaker 2: That's the bonus question. What is leadership to you? Because
Speaker 2: I feel like people don't even know what that word
Speaker 2: means at this point. They just be saying it, But
Speaker 2: they don't necessarily actually know what is leadership. They think
Speaker 2: that it's someone telling them what to do and them
Speaker 2: not having to think. I don't agree with that as
Speaker 2: as necessarily leadership. I consider that to be well dictatorship.
Speaker 2: You're being dictated too, and I don't think that that's useful. Right,
Speaker 2: So what do you all think? Let's get into We're
Speaker 2: going to get into a thirty seconds of stillness by
Speaker 2: hook or by crook. You hear me, by hook or
Speaker 2: by freakin crook?
Speaker 12: Where is it at?
Speaker 2: Do I even have the graphic and hear y'all? All right?
Speaker 2: Well you'll get this is the acapella thirty oh here
Speaker 2: it is boom thirty seconds, Ucy names damn Okay, now
Speaker 2: I gotta do it again. Thirty seconds Ucy names.
Speaker 3: A man loved Amen, amen, no.
Speaker 4: No, not fine. End