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Speaker 1: If you love listening to podcasts, you've got to have

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a choice, right Aro dot net A r r Oe

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dot net. It's not just about talking to the rock

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stars and the chefs and the movie stars. This is

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about your walk of life, Aro dot net, A r

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Speaker 2: Hey, Aero, how are you fantastic? How are you doing today?

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I'm doing great. What's going on? Well?

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Speaker 1: Do that poster behind you is everything that's going on?

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Because you know, I thought I was the freak that

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used to think that you are living, breathing Indiana Jones,

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And that poster says, you know, dude, I'm not too

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far off track.

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Speaker 2: I know, right. They make me look very adventurous on

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that thing. I love it, But you are.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing about it. I mean, I mean,

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you've got five Expedition Files now Expedition Unknown. You are

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so busy. I'm thinking you're the extraterrestrial.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. They definitely keep me moving. I mean, between both

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of those shows, I don't get a lot of downtime.

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But I love it. I love exploring these stories. It's

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really that these stories are so naturally exciting that, honestly,

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it's just a thrill to go out and investigate them.

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Speaker 1: I would love to see the research on how many

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people have been so inspired by your reasons for diving

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into things, because I mean, even with chat GPT these days,

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we're all investigating something and I do I feel like you,

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Josh in so many different occasions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, look, I think the human brain is

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hardwired to love a mystery, right, We're all drawn to mysteries.

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That's why true crime is so popular, and so these

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stories we tackle on Expedition Unknown and Expedition Files. These

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are like the ultimate mysteries in the world, right, The

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Great Pyramid of Giza, the Holy Grail, the Salem witch Trials,

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you know, I mean these are stories that we all know.

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And what's so incredible about them is, you know, our

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season premiere is on the Great Pyramid of Giza. Here's

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a building that's four and a half millennia old, and

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we're still learning things about it. There are still mysteries

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Speaker 1: You are so up to date with what's going on,

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because I mean you you've got a story here on

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Jimmy Hoffa and just yesterday I read an article about

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how they're going to dig into the Jimmy Hoffa files

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and it's like, oh my god, watch Josh first, then

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follow that.

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Speaker 2: There we go. Yeah, I mean, Haffa is another one

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of these stories. You know, famous Teamsters union leader who

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disappeared in nineteen seventy five. I mean, there has never been,

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I think, a story with more conspiracies around it than

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Jimmy Hoffa, who's supposedly everywhere from a landfill to underneath

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you know, Giant Stadium and the concrete. And so we're

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going to be talking about the latest updates and the

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search for answers to the disappearance of Haffa.

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Speaker 1: So how do you kind of erase that feeling of,

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oh my god, you could be that one that looks

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into al Capones Safe and all of a sudden there's

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nothing in there. Because that's my worst fear about Jimmy Hoffa.

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I want some material, I want something here.

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Speaker 2: Totally. I totally agree with you. I mean, look, that's

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always the risk and exploration is that you're going to

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open that al capone safe and have nothing inside, but

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nothing ventured, nothing gained, right, I mean for us, I

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think on expedition are known. What's so lucky is that

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wherever we go to these archaeological sites, whether they find

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Object X or not, they're always uncovering incredible historic artifacts

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and so we're always thrilled to be there at those

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moments of discovery with them. But you know, we have

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been very lucky over the years to work with you know,

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terrific teams and experts and archaeologists to be there at

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those moments of discovery so that we've got something to

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show for our long journey.

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Speaker 1: So if we truly stop searching for the Holy Grail,

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does that mean that we can no longer listen to

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Justin Timberlake and jay Z with their Holy Grail?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. Maybe you know, the Grail is such

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a fascinating object because it's this thing that really took

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on a life later. You know, the Bible doesn't have

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much to say about the Grail actually, and yet later

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in medieval times it took on this huge significance and

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has now become this really enduring symbol of Christianity. But

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there's so much lore associated with this object. But it's

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amazing how many vessels have been put forward throughout history

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as the potential Grail. So on expedition files will be

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digging into some of those different candidates for what may

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Speaker 1: Please do not move. There's more with Josh Gates coming

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up next. He's got two shows that he's promoting, Expedition

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Unknown and Expedition Files. We are back with Josh Gates.

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I'm a firm believer that Rocks speak. I do sit

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beside them because I think they're talking with me. So

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when you go into the Great Pyramids and you're surrounded

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by all of that, can you hear voices?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I have to say, you know, whether you're a

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kind of spiritually minded person or not. And I don't

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want to sound too woo wu, but there are places

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in the world that you go to your point where

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you absolutely feel whatever it is, the energy, the call

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of history, the past. And I challenge anyone to go

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into the heart of the Great Pyramid and stand in

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that grand gallery and not feel totally haunted by the past.

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I mean, it is a truly charged atmosphere there. And

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it's no wonder that so many people have so many

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wild conspiracies about the Great Pyramid, because it is this

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place that just seems to radiate energy and mystery and

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so absolutely rocks speak. I totally agree with you.

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Speaker 1: One of the things that I find so fascinating with

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you is that you go and dig for things that

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have been long forgotten, but yet you make it an

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everyday conversation. It's almost like a dear future reader moment

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you It's like you're bringing something for us to plant

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inside our today.

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Speaker 2: Ah, it's a great, thank you so much. It's a

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very kind comment about that. I mean, yeah, Look, some

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of these stories are super famous things like the Great Pyramid.

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Other stories are things that maybe people have never heard of,

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you know, including me. We're looking for a lost steamship

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in the jungles of Nicaragua this season. That was part

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of a planned Nicaragua Canal before the Panama Canal was built.

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This was a pioneering vessel that was lost in the

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in the jungles of Nicaragua, a story I knew nothing about.

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We're on expedition files. We're going to be investigating the

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disappearance of Rudolph Diesel. Time you've ever pulled up to

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a diesel pumper or it's seen a diesel engine, it's

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all thanks to this engineer, Rudolph Diesel, who vanished without

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a trace, and his engines really changed the world. And

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so a fascinating mystery that totally deserves our attention, that

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folks maybe have never heard of. And so I love

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those stories as well, all new mysteries to kind of

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worm into our brains.

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Speaker 1: Well, you've planted in something inside of me right now

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with this canal through Nicaragua.

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Speaker 2: Why why was it set aside?

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Speaker 1: I mean because I mean that that would really kind

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of shorten the journey, would it not?

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Speaker 2: Totally? And I have to say, like when you look

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at a map, a Nicaragua canal makes a lot of sense.

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and so the amount of territory that you have to

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actually blast through to make a canal is in some

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ways less than what we did in Panama. And so

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been right. If history had gone a different way, it

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may have been a Nicaragua canal instead of a Panama canal.

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Speaker 1: You're very authentic with when it comes to time travel,

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and because because I ask a lot of people many times,

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if you could time travel, would you go back? But

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you can't take anything from today with you? Well, no,

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I'm fine. I mean it's like people don't want to

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go back unless they can take today with them.

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Speaker 2: Oh no, I'd be thrilled. I mean, I wouldn't mind

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taking some penicillin and modern medicine maybe on the trip.

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I don't want to, you know, modern dentistry has a

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lot to offer, but you know, I mean I would

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and a heartbeat jump at the chance to go back

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and see you know. Look, one of the things about

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archaeology that's alluring but frustrating is that all we really

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get to see from some of these ancient cultures are

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the literal building blocks that the foundations of their temples

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and their buildings, But their everyday lives are kind of

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invisible to us. They only kind of whisper to us

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through small remains that we find. And I would love

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to know, you know, what was it like out on

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the streets of ancient Egypt. What would it have been

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like in a Maya plaza at the height of the

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Maya Empire. I'd love to see the kind of everyday

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life of it all, to what people were really how

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they were living in those times. And so those those

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things are so appealing to me.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of appealing, have you chat gpted your name? Because

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oh my god, they make you look like the greatest

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man of all times.

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Speaker 2: Dude. Oh wow, all right, I love to hear that.

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I'll start, I'll be I'll be tapping away as soon

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as we're done here. That's good. It's good to know.

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What a relief.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, because I mean I always look at you and

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I have this conversation with more people that I call

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you the Ansel Adams of our time period, because you're

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capturing moments that we're going to look at decades from now.

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Speaker 2: Well, I really appreciate that. I mean, look, these are

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stories that there's so much noise out there now, so

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much you know, media fighting for our attention. What I

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love about these stories is they're just they're enduring, their bedrock.

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They're solid and so like the pyramid itself. And so

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anytime I could help, you know, illuminate these stories that

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have been with us, you know, many of them for

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thousands of years, it's just such a thrill to do that.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, you got to come back to

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this show anytime in the future except next time.

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Speaker 2: Do three shows. You got it? I will do er.

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I appreciate it, man, be brilliant today. Okay, hey, you

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two brother, all the best,