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Speaker 3: Hello and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 3: of Conspiracy and my name's Jonathan. I'm Jacob, and today
Speaker 3: we are getting into the Lost Lands. Are we talking
Speaker 3: on some Atlantis level shit or what here?
Speaker 1: Jacob, I'm gonna be honest, I've mentioned in the past
Speaker 1: few episodes, let's go ahead and.
Speaker 2: Just get it all out there.
Speaker 1: So we just did the Atlantis episode, okay, and I
Speaker 1: thought that that was.
Speaker 2: A pretty fun one.
Speaker 1: I'm still not convinced that Atlantis never existed. Ever, I
Speaker 1: do think that it is so far back in the
Speaker 1: history that has been lost, like fully lost to the
Speaker 1: stands of time, that we will probably never actually know.
Speaker 2: And I'm comfortable on that footing, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, I mean, especially whenever you get into like
Speaker 3: the Pyramids, nobody even knows how to date them and stuff,
Speaker 3: like some people would suggest ten twelve thousand years and
Speaker 3: even still that is like the oldest thing that we're
Speaker 3: aware of for the most part, I know that there's
Speaker 3: some maybe some ancient relics or something like that that
Speaker 3: maybe go back even farther saying, talking about something that
Speaker 3: could potentially be sixty thousand years ago, I would imagine
Speaker 3: everything is lost in the sense of time.
Speaker 1: That's a fair point, right, and that's why archaeology is
Speaker 1: usually right to a point. But then there's also a
Speaker 1: lot of things they just assume, like, for instance, any
Speaker 1: weird artifact that they can't figure out.
Speaker 2: What it is or what it was used for.
Speaker 1: We believe it was for religious or ceremonial purposes, Like
Speaker 1: you know, it could have been the equivalent of our
Speaker 1: key chain that they keep finding everywhere, and they just
Speaker 1: know it is used for religious and ceremonial purposes because
Speaker 1: typically the quote unquote outliers just kind of are that
Speaker 1: until they get discovered as something else.
Speaker 2: Right, I do like I do.
Speaker 3: Like to think that, you know, stuff that we don't
Speaker 3: really understand the use for may have potentially had some
Speaker 3: spiritual or religious purpose for it, because I mean, I
Speaker 3: personally believe that you know, us as a people, we
Speaker 3: were probably a lot more spiritual, I know, animalistic, but
Speaker 3: you know, I believe that you know, people way back
Speaker 3: in the day or way way way back in the day,
Speaker 3: we're probably a little bit closer to nature, which meant,
Speaker 3: you know, closer to God.
Speaker 1: Okay, so let me ask you this hypothetical. And this
Speaker 1: is a straw man you but hear me out. Let's say,
Speaker 1: right now, for whatever reason, a nuclear war kicks off, boom,
Speaker 1: the entire earth is wiped out.
Speaker 2: I'm talking.
Speaker 1: No one survives except for essentially a small group that
Speaker 1: was in a cave somewhere I think Noah's archetype situation.
Speaker 1: Human population rebuilds. Thousands of years from now, they find
Speaker 1: random remains of humans all over the Earth, and it seems,
Speaker 1: for some reason that all of these humans had this
Speaker 1: weird significance with lithium, because in every one of them
Speaker 1: we found trace elements of these lithium that seemed like
Speaker 1: they were welded to their skeletal structure, i e. Our
Speaker 1: batteries and our cell phones and bapes that for some
Speaker 1: reason the plastic melts it away, but the lithium mineral
Speaker 1: itself attached to our bones. So now, ten thousand years
Speaker 1: in the future, everyone thinks that prehistoric man quote unquote
Speaker 1: had a weird religious attachment to lithium so much so
Speaker 1: that they would go through a special surgery to infuse
Speaker 1: it to their bones. They would write that in their books,
Speaker 1: they would teach this in seminars. In reality, it's just
Speaker 1: vapes and cell phones. But like they would have no
Speaker 1: context to say anything else.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, I would say that history. You know, they
Speaker 3: say that a history doesn't necessarily you know, match necessarily,
Speaker 3: but it tends to rhyme, and so I would say that,
Speaker 3: you know, whatever we would be going through in the
Speaker 3: future would be reminiscent of how it all started in
Speaker 3: the beginning of the past, right, And so I guess
Speaker 3: it all lends to the your philosophy about the ancient
Speaker 3: peoples of ten twenty thirty fifty sixty thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: Were they actually advanced? And is it possible that we
Speaker 3: could be talking about an advanced civilization, whether it be
Speaker 3: technologically or some other way to where we're now. We're
Speaker 3: looking at the ONC as if it was I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe it was a fucking hood ornament on a spacecraft
Speaker 3: or something.
Speaker 1: Right, absolutely right, So we don't know, but we're going
Speaker 1: off with the best evidence that we have, right, And
Speaker 1: so to that point, this whole Atlantis conversation got me
Speaker 1: thinking of some other great land masses that have been
Speaker 1: quote unquote lost to time under the ocean, whatever the
Speaker 1: case was.
Speaker 2: So this kind of got me spiraling.
Speaker 1: And then I discovered that they have recently confirmed a
Speaker 1: lost land mass, a lost continent, if you will, and
Speaker 1: it is confirmed that it was inhabited by humans and
Speaker 1: animals up until ten thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: That's pretty tight.
Speaker 1: And it's like, bro, bro, this has blown my mind
Speaker 1: and shifted my reality.
Speaker 2: Where is this?
Speaker 3: Where is this mass at?
Speaker 2: Oh, we're gonna get to it. We're gonna get to it.
Speaker 2: But all right.
Speaker 1: First of all, lost land mass that we are now
Speaker 1: going to be discussing is called, as of our current dialect,
Speaker 1: dogger Land. Okay, now I know it's a weird sounding name.
Speaker 1: It is between the Netherlands in England. Essentially the English
Speaker 1: Isles used to be the English Mountain range on the
Speaker 1: other side of a vast land mass.
Speaker 3: So it's now sunken.
Speaker 1: We are going to discuss why is it, how is it,
Speaker 1: what is it?
Speaker 2: All the things.
Speaker 1: But first first, let me take you on the rabbit
Speaker 1: hole that I went down. Okay, so we were talking
Speaker 1: about Atlantis. We were talking about these things, all the
Speaker 1: lost information that got me thinking of hold on, now,
Speaker 1: the Lost Land of Mew, the Lost continent of Mew
Speaker 1: is something that I have heard in my line of
Speaker 1: work a time or two before. So I decided that,
Speaker 1: you know what, before I do any shitting on Atlantis,
Speaker 1: because again I didn't know about Doggerland when I started
Speaker 1: this trek. Okay, so I'm thinking like the Lost Land
Speaker 1: of Mew as we're talking about Atlantis, and I'm kind
Speaker 1: of nah about it.
Speaker 2: Let's see what's up?
Speaker 1: What do we actually know about the Lost Land of Mew?
Speaker 2: Jonathan? Right off top? What do you just?
Speaker 1: As a run of the mill conspiracy theorist, been a
Speaker 1: time or two around the block?
Speaker 2: What do you know? Off top?
Speaker 3: I don't really know jack shit about me, to be
Speaker 3: honest with you.
Speaker 1: I knew it was somewhere in Asia. I thought that
Speaker 1: was about all I knew.
Speaker 3: That's more than even what I know. So I have
Speaker 3: no idea like are we talking like the first part
Speaker 3: of Pangaea that broke off? You know, like is it
Speaker 3: somewhere along those lines?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: Well, you know what, I actually have a quick little
Speaker 1: Vigia that's gonna do a pretty good job of laying
Speaker 1: it all out here. And Jonathan, if these people would
Speaker 1: like to see what is going on rather than just
Speaker 1: hear about it with their earballs, tell them where they
Speaker 1: can go.
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Speaker 2: All right, so let's talk a little bit. This is
Speaker 2: the History Channel.
Speaker 1: It's a little five minute video out the unexplained Lost
Speaker 1: Continent of Mew.
Speaker 5: All right, one of the most intriguing lost continents is
Speaker 5: a land mass that is believed to once existed in
Speaker 5: the Pacific Ocean, a mythical land that is known as.
Speaker 6: The first person to write extensively about the Lost Continent
Speaker 6: of Mew was a Scottish writer by the name of
Speaker 6: James Churchwood in the nineteenth century. He was in India when.
Speaker 1: Real quick, I did want to make a mention this
Speaker 1: before we got into the thick of it. Do you
Speaker 1: notice that all of these crazy beliefs and new ways
Speaker 1: of thinking and all these things all just kind of
Speaker 1: spawn pointed in the eighteen hundreds.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see that. And I think the curring theme, well,
Speaker 3: there was a lot of like fictional stories we're selling
Speaker 3: like hotcakes back in those days, and because people, you know,
Speaker 3: it was it was a different time. I'm not saying
Speaker 3: that fictional stories don't sell well here. I mean, look
Speaker 3: at the Twilight series, look at the Lord of the Rings,
Speaker 3: look at all a Game of Thrones, like these are
Speaker 3: all fictional stories, but they're understood that, you know, they
Speaker 3: don't exist in our realm. Maybe they were pulled from
Speaker 3: the ether of another higher dimension. Who knows, but like, uh,
Speaker 3: but yeah, it definitely seems to be a draw towards
Speaker 3: these fictional stories that people are saying, Look, we used
Speaker 3: to be a lot more advanced. I mean, one would
Speaker 3: hope so.
Speaker 1: But you know, well, I'm not necessarily shitting on the
Speaker 1: man at this moment, okay, but I've just I wanted
Speaker 1: to mention it before we played the video and we
Speaker 1: got side to I got sidetracked. I just I find
Speaker 1: it interesting. We can talk about it later on, for sure.
Speaker 1: But like that's usually why I ask whenever somebody brings
Speaker 1: up an article it's like or a book or something,
Speaker 1: is like it does it predate the Civil War?
Speaker 2: First off? Like, let's just do that.
Speaker 1: Then we start sifting, but anyway, anyway, so all right,
Speaker 1: let's learn more about the boy James here, because this
Speaker 1: is all crazy. His story about visiting a monastery and
Speaker 1: how he got this information.
Speaker 2: I think you would find it well.
Speaker 3: And to be fair, there is some weird things that oddly,
Speaker 3: like you know, we talked about earlier. Maybe they don't match,
Speaker 3: but they rhyme a little bit, especially whenever, because we
Speaker 3: just covered in that live the Ingersaw Lockwood stuff. Ingersaw
Speaker 3: Lockwood was the author of Little Baron Trump and the
Speaker 3: the what was it, like the Trump Prophecy or whatever
Speaker 3: it was. And this was way before Trump was even born, right,
Speaker 3: and it's talking about how there's going to be the
Speaker 3: last president and then Trump goes up on a podium saying, well,
Speaker 3: this is going to be the last time that you
Speaker 3: have to vote if I win, And it's like, shit
Speaker 3: is weirdly checking out, And maybe it spawned from a
Speaker 3: point of fiction, but then it like manifested itself into
Speaker 3: some weird kind of way. So I'm not saying that
Speaker 3: fictional stories are bullshit, you know, but maybe there's something
Speaker 3: to them. I don't know. Let's find out a little
Speaker 3: bit more.
Speaker 1: That's the thing, right, if it's a written down story
Speaker 1: based off of an oral legend, there's that kernel of truth,
Speaker 1: there's that possible game of telephone that had to originate
Speaker 1: from somewhere, and so like that trail of breadcrumbs.
Speaker 2: I enjoy following.
Speaker 1: But anyway, yeah, well to your point also about Trump,
Speaker 1: he just addressed that on the Flagrant podcast because they're like,
Speaker 1: so apparently you're just gonna fucking end at all here,
Speaker 1: and he's like, no, no, I meant because the evangelical
Speaker 1: voters don't vote for some reason, Christians do not go
Speaker 1: to the polls very often.
Speaker 2: The ones that do absolutely do, but most of them
Speaker 2: just don't really bother.
Speaker 1: And I was trying to get them because I was
Speaker 1: in a church when I said that, and I was like.
Speaker 2: All right, that was a fair yeah, fair counterpoint.
Speaker 3: That makes sense. But it's just like, you know, as
Speaker 3: I guess where I was going with the whole the
Speaker 3: engersol Lockwood books that were being written, what was it
Speaker 3: like eighteen ninety something those were written, and you could
Speaker 3: say maybe that was some automatic writing. I don't know,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna get too weird here, but people have
Speaker 3: gone into automatic writing where they just go into a
Speaker 3: full on trans mode and they're writing shit down. Singers, authors,
Speaker 3: movie writers, all like book writers, all this shit. They
Speaker 3: all talk about how they go into this weird trance,
Speaker 3: which some people call automatic writing, possibly pulling information down
Speaker 3: from the ether just to get a little weird.
Speaker 1: Then I'm glad you said it the way you did, sir,
Speaker 1: because I'm gonna be honest with you. Not knowing much
Speaker 1: about Mew before I started digging, I didn't know where
Speaker 1: a Scottish writer would have got this information. But wait
Speaker 1: till you hear the story. And I'm not saying this
Speaker 1: in an incredulous way. It's actually pretty wild.
Speaker 6: In the nineteenth century, he was in India when he
Speaker 6: visited a monastery and the monks there had recorded, apparently
Speaker 6: tablets that referred to this place called Mew. That was
Speaker 6: this huge continent that supposedly existed from Hawaii in the
Speaker 6: north down to Easter Island in the southeast, right the
Speaker 6: way across the Micronesia in the west, and the people
Speaker 6: there were supposedly called the Nakau. The continent of Miu
Speaker 6: thrived perhaps fifty thousand years ago and was sunk beneath
Speaker 6: the wives, possibly at the end of the last ice.
Speaker 7: Age my great grandfather James Churchward. Eventually he became friends
Speaker 7: with the Rishi of the temple that he visited in India,
Speaker 7: and then the Rishi's mentioned that he was a member
Speaker 7: of the Nicoll Brotherhood, the holders of wisdom and knowledge
Speaker 7: of the lost continent of MoU. There were mighty navigators
Speaker 7: and sailors and established civilization in other parts of the world.
Speaker 5: According to James Churchward, the Nicoll civilization had a population
Speaker 5: of more than sixty million people at his peak, before
Speaker 5: a massive volcanic cataclist caused Moved to vanish beneath the waters.
Speaker 5: So for our no evidence of the last continents has
Speaker 5: been found on the ocean floor, but some researchers claim
Speaker 5: that incredibly, a tiny remnant of move may still exist
Speaker 5: above water today on an island located in a remote
Speaker 5: part of the Pacific Ocean, roughly twenty five hundred miles
Speaker 5: northeast of Australia, by the ruins of a once great
Speaker 5: ancient city, Nanmdal. Nanmadal is a complex of man made
Speaker 5: islands built with massive stone blocks that float atop a
Speaker 5: submerged coral reef.
Speaker 6: So as you approach Nanmadal, there are a series of islands,
Speaker 6: and they're built actually on coral the only place in
Speaker 6: the world where this actually occurs.
Speaker 4: And you've got all these incredible structures.
Speaker 6: Made of these prismatic blocks.
Speaker 8: At Namadal, you have these ridiculous bast columns. They're huge,
Speaker 8: some of them up to like forty tons even more.
Speaker 8: In some cases some of them are raised very high
Speaker 8: up in the air on the very top levels. So
Speaker 8: there's a real problem when it comes to try and
Speaker 8: understand how they moved these millions of tons of bassout columns.
Speaker 6: One of the biggest mysteries surrounding Nanmado is that nobody
Speaker 6: really knows who constructed it. But there's some very strange
Speaker 6: stories about how the city came into existence. For instance,
Speaker 6: one of the stories talks about it being constructed by
Speaker 6: so called master builders turning up and using a magical
Speaker 6: force to raise the blocks into the air and put
Speaker 6: them into place, almost as if they could levitate these blocks.
Speaker 9: Some people actually suggested that maybe Nanada was a remnant
Speaker 9: of Moo that was still above water and it was
Speaker 9: simply indicative of what had sun beneath the waves from
Speaker 9: this advanced civilization. Nan medals in Micronesia, so it fit
Speaker 9: the correct general area, and this is one reason people
Speaker 9: thought in terms of mood when.
Speaker 8: It comes to looking for this lost Continent of Moon,
Speaker 8: Places like nan Madon really do suggest that it could
Speaker 8: be much more down there than you realize. On the
Speaker 8: bottom of the ocean.
Speaker 5: It's hard to picture an entire continent with people living
Speaker 5: on it simply vanishing into the sea.
Speaker 2: And yet.
Speaker 5: All over the world there are legends of lost civilizations
Speaker 5: that were swallowed up by the oceans.
Speaker 2: Thank you, William Shatner.
Speaker 1: Now all right, at this time, what are your thoughts
Speaker 1: on the Lost Continent of Moo. Well, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: Namadal specifically, but the continent itself.
Speaker 2: What are your thoughts.
Speaker 3: I do find oceanic stuff. I can't think of a
Speaker 3: better word. I do find that, like the certain discoveries
Speaker 3: of what's on the ocean floor, to be quite fascinating,
Speaker 3: because it is estimated that we have only really mapped
Speaker 3: out and explored five percent of the ocean floor, five
Speaker 3: percent of all of the ocean floor. So it's not
Speaker 3: to say that that automatically proves that there are lost
Speaker 3: lands that are underwater, but it leaves up for possibility
Speaker 3: that the vast majority of the ocean floor has not
Speaker 3: even been touched, that hasn't been discovered. Nobody knows about
Speaker 3: how deep. You know, most of the oceans are, and
Speaker 3: you know, then you know it's it's kind of like
Speaker 3: difficult to even go down so far at certain points,
Speaker 3: even if you're in like a submarine, because just pressure
Speaker 3: just fucking eats you alive. But like, it is interesting
Speaker 3: because I think that it kind of lends a little
Speaker 3: bit of credience, credence to the possibility of move being
Speaker 3: at the bottom of the ocean floor, which is pretty
Speaker 3: freaking cool.
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: It's like like you're saying, we don't actually absolutely know
Speaker 1: what's down there as far as the plate tectonic shift goes.
Speaker 1: How do we know that one giant chunk of the
Speaker 1: middle of it just sank down as a way of
Speaker 1: jostling around and positioning itself once the plate split off.
Speaker 2: We don't know that. So it's within the realm of
Speaker 2: possibility now, not like that.
Speaker 3: It's because they mentioned Hawaii, right, It was like close
Speaker 3: to Hawaii.
Speaker 1: They said that it was in the Pacific Ocean, and
Speaker 1: it basically connected with Hawaii Eastern Island and Namadal.
Speaker 3: This is a.
Speaker 1: Massive, massive chunk of the vast Pacific Ocean, which, like
Speaker 1: all the Polynesian and Samoan tribes had to learn how
Speaker 1: to wayfined with their hand, with the stars and current
Speaker 1: temperatures to find these specks of volcanic islands in the
Speaker 1: middle of this massive ocean, right and they were masters
Speaker 1: at it, all these things.
Speaker 2: Moana watched the movie.
Speaker 1: It's they talk about all these things, which culturally was
Speaker 1: really really on point.
Speaker 3: And they're coming out with another Moana next year. I'm
Speaker 3: super stoked about it.
Speaker 2: I know. I know the kids are pumped too. I'm
Speaker 2: gonna see it. I like the movie Be Honest.
Speaker 3: With You, which, by the way, I just found that
Speaker 3: the Kung Fu Panda four already came out. It's on Peacock.
Speaker 3: It never even went to the movie theaters.
Speaker 2: That's the one where he.
Speaker 3: No, it just came out like a couple months ago.
Speaker 2: That's not the one where he found the rest of
Speaker 2: the Panda family.
Speaker 3: Huh No, that was the third one. Oh shit, yeah,
Speaker 3: there's a fourth one. And uh I only know that
Speaker 3: because I had like the Spotify playlist on shuffle and
Speaker 3: I was listening to like a lot of Tenacious D
Speaker 3: and shit like that. And then I saw that Jack
Speaker 3: Black saying a version of hit Me Baby One More Time,
Speaker 3: and it was part of the soundtrack of Kung Kung
Speaker 3: Fu Panda four. Oh my god, dude, it is fucking hilarious.
Speaker 3: Like listening to that song, it is great. So yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm waiting until I get my son back and we're
Speaker 3: just gonna fucking watch that movie. I'm pretty stoked about that.
Speaker 2: Jack Black's just awesome, isn't he great character? Anyways?
Speaker 1: So with the Mawana thing, right, So I will say
Speaker 1: this about Disney, at least they made very very special
Speaker 1: attention to making sure that they got all the cultural
Speaker 1: references correct. They made sure that they used only people
Speaker 1: that were true Islanders to voice all of the characters.
Speaker 1: They kept it real on that one, which I thought
Speaker 1: was pretty dope, Like, for instance, I wish they would
Speaker 1: remake Pocahontas with real Native Americans, Like that would be dope.
Speaker 1: And I don't, you know, like the whole storyline, or
Speaker 1: at least have them be voiced by them. So whatever,
Speaker 1: because it wasn't that a big scandal not too long ago.
Speaker 1: Pocahontas's actual descendant didn't support Trump and the Voice of Pocahontas.
Speaker 2: Did I saw articles about that once upon a time.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, well I didn't.
Speaker 2: That was during the Trump Clinton election.
Speaker 3: Actually interesting, I've I've heard like differing stories as far
Speaker 3: as like, you know, the old Washington Redskins. There's some
Speaker 3: of the Native Americans that are like, no, not the
Speaker 3: Redskins anymore. Right, They're called the Commanders, which is stupid. Yeah,
Speaker 3: but like a lot of the Native Americans are like, dude,
Speaker 3: you weren't really necessarily like disrespecting us, if anything, you
Speaker 3: were honoring us. And that that character that they had
Speaker 3: on the Redskins helmet, that was actually a real Native
Speaker 3: American and so it was like honoring him. And so
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just a bunch of white people
Speaker 3: thinking that every white person is racist.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, I get it. It's complex.
Speaker 1: But anyway, anyway, so as far as these island nations, right,
Speaker 1: and apparently this massive continent that connected.
Speaker 2: All of them. The theory on that one.
Speaker 1: Okay, so Hawaii is a bunch of volcanic islands, mean
Speaker 1: that they are constantly going more, they're growing, right, the
Speaker 1: lava's bubbly over and cooling, in the ocean, and slowly
Speaker 1: but surely that grows the island. So it would makes
Speaker 1: sense that Hawaii would stick out Easter Island being the
Speaker 1: same way. It's a giant mountain range. Allegedly there's a
Speaker 1: pyramid there. Who even be no in Then you got
Speaker 1: Namadult which has all these structures that are built. So
Speaker 1: for somebody keep in mind though he was a Scottish
Speaker 1: writer in the eighteen hundreds, so I wanted to do
Speaker 1: a little bit digging on him. See if he was
Speaker 1: a fraud, See if he was just a writer. Was
Speaker 1: he a bit of a moonlight archaeologist person. There's all
Speaker 1: kinds of things. So let's go into it.
Speaker 2: Here.
Speaker 1: I will say right off the top, they do make
Speaker 1: a incorrect statesment here. This is Encyclopedia dot com. By
Speaker 1: the way, they say that, I'll read this first one
Speaker 1: just to make this point. Churchward James eighteen fifty two
Speaker 1: to nineteen thirty six, author of several books about the
Speaker 1: lost continents of Mew or Lomuria, the Pacific Ocean equivalent
Speaker 1: of Atlantis. Born in England in eighteen fifty two. Okay, pause,
Speaker 1: Lamyria and Mew are two different locations.
Speaker 2: There's two different storylines.
Speaker 1: About each of those, because as a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: the next place we will be discussing is Lemiria before
Speaker 1: we get to Doggerland. So just so we're clear, they
Speaker 1: made the Encyclopedia dot com website first sentences already off
Speaker 1: to a rocky and shaky start with me personally.
Speaker 3: So that being said, I guess you could see maybe
Speaker 3: how they might be the same thing. Lou or Mew
Speaker 3: and Lemuria. There's a mew in Lemuria.
Speaker 2: I think that's the thing.
Speaker 1: And plus Lamia is supposed to be in the Indian Ocean,
Speaker 1: which is next to the Pacific Ocean. So like, I'm
Speaker 1: thinking that maybe some brainiac who is typing this up
Speaker 1: just kind of combined it all. I don't I don't
Speaker 1: exactly know, but I'm mean, but as we do with
Speaker 1: the cult of conspiracy, we are calling out the red
Speaker 1: flags and the fallacies where we see them, all right,
Speaker 1: So that would be one that the mainstream the Encyclopedia
Speaker 1: dot Com did, in fact just get wrong for sentence
Speaker 1: out the Gate.
Speaker 3: Okay. He uh born in England in eighteen fifty two.
Speaker 3: He stated that he became friendly with a Hindu priest
Speaker 3: during a famine in India in the nineteenth century, and
Speaker 3: the priest led him to a collection of ancient clay
Speaker 3: tablets hidden in a cave and taught him a language
Speaker 3: called Nakal, by which the tablets could be deciphered. According
Speaker 3: to Churchward, these tablets told the story of the lost
Speaker 3: continent of Mu, a primitive garden of Eden destroyed by
Speaker 3: volcanic action. No one ever saw the Nicoal tablets, and
Speaker 3: it is likely that they never existed. More important in
Speaker 3: building church words vision of is it Mu or Mew?
Speaker 2: I've heard both?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Anyway, his vision of Mew were the writings of Augustus
Speaker 3: les plngon A.
Speaker 1: Remember we talked about him when he was doing archaeological digs.
Speaker 2: But he was a photographer.
Speaker 1: Remember he was taken pictures of the Mayan and Aztec
Speaker 1: ruins and things like that.
Speaker 2: So he was another talking head at this time.
Speaker 3: He was an archaeologist who had spent the last decade
Speaker 3: of the nineteenth century studying the Mayan remnants and the
Speaker 3: Yucate He believed that he had deciphered the hieroglyphics that
Speaker 3: told the story of an ancient land Mew. He published
Speaker 3: his results in a book called Queen MoU and the
Speaker 3: Egyptian Sphinx in eighteen ninety six, and then Churchward inherited
Speaker 3: la Plungin's papers.
Speaker 1: We did, in fact talk about his writings later on.
Speaker 1: That was the story that he wrote. And now Plungin.
Speaker 3: His his visions like weren't as crazy as other people, though.
Speaker 1: They weren't, but he also didn't declare things. He said
Speaker 1: that he found remnants that would lead him to believe
Speaker 1: that it was possible that the Mayans were actually the Atlanteans.
Speaker 1: He was making speculations based off of things he saw
Speaker 1: for the first time ever allegedly allegedly that a European
Speaker 1: was able to see these and take these pictures and
Speaker 1: bring it back and decipher them and look at them
Speaker 1: with this lens. He knew at least that there was
Speaker 1: more to the story. Now, he may have been making
Speaker 1: some claims. Maybe he brought up Mew, maybe he brought
Speaker 1: up Atlantis, maybe he brought up all of these things.
Speaker 1: And then he said that they were connected to the
Speaker 1: Egyptian hieroglyphs if you remember. Doesn't mean that they necessarily were,
Speaker 1: but it was the first time that somebody was able
Speaker 1: to look at this all on connected dots on a courtboard,
Speaker 1: so to speak.
Speaker 3: Church Word took laplungen speculations into the realm of pure fantasy.
Speaker 3: He picked up the He picked up on the theosophical
Speaker 3: myth of Lemuria, which he identified with Laplungen's Mew. His
Speaker 3: first book on the subject, called The Lost Continent of
Speaker 3: Mew The Motherland of Man. It appeared in nineteen twenty six.
Speaker 3: It was followed by three additional volumes expanding upon the
Speaker 3: theme church Words. Mew was located in the South Pacific.
Speaker 3: It extended five hundred by three hundred miles in the
Speaker 3: area from present day Hawaii to Fiji and from Easter
Speaker 3: Island to the Mariana Islands. It is or it was
Speaker 3: believed to be inhabited by the white race that worshiped
Speaker 3: the Sun, believed in immortality, and built cities. The continent
Speaker 3: was home to sixty four million people when it was
Speaker 3: destroyed ten thousand years ago, and only a few survived.
Speaker 3: Church Word died in la on January fourth, nineteen thirty six.
Speaker 2: Okay, and so this is when my research kind of
Speaker 2: took the dip.
Speaker 1: I was with them for a minute there until it
Speaker 1: said that it was inhabited by a white race that
Speaker 1: in and of itself led me down that other rabbit hole,
Speaker 1: because I really wanted to see what there was about
Speaker 1: the lost continent of Mew. There had to be more
Speaker 1: than just him, Right, what about that language then a
Speaker 1: call language or whatever else?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: So the problem is that as I look up Nicall,
Speaker 1: the very first one under it brings up HP Lovecraft,
Speaker 1: And then we go into that other rabbit hole of Okay,
Speaker 1: now we're getting into the realm of absolute fake and
Speaker 1: make believe.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, and so interesting.
Speaker 1: It kind of it kind of threw me off. Now,
Speaker 1: I was like, wait a minute, what about that reach
Speaker 1: that he talked about? Right, So read real quick what
Speaker 1: a rishi is.
Speaker 3: In Indian religions, a rishi is an accomplished and enlightened
Speaker 3: person they find mentioned of various They find mentioned in
Speaker 3: various Vedic texts. Rishi's are believed to have composed hymns
Speaker 3: of the Vedas. The post Vedic tradition of Hinduism regards
Speaker 3: the rishi's as great yo great yogis, or sages who,
Speaker 3: after intense meditation, realized the supreme truth and eternal knowledge,
Speaker 3: which they composed into hymns. The term appears in poly
Speaker 3: literature as ishi. In Buddhism, they can be either Buddha's paseka,
Speaker 3: buddhas a rahats, or a monk of a high rank. Okay,
Speaker 3: So yeah, I knew I've heard of the rishi's before,
Speaker 3: you know, and it yeah, it makes sense that it
Speaker 3: would be a great yogi or sage, okay.
Speaker 1: And so it makes sense also that in he did
Speaker 1: in fact go to India, that is true. And so
Speaker 1: he did in fact meet up with some people. But
Speaker 1: he was a Scottish writer. He also, come to find out,
Speaker 1: was really good friends with a couple of other people
Speaker 1: of Scottish and Irish writing that were members of the
Speaker 1: OTO who were also writing literature at this time. And
Speaker 1: claiming that it was some far east, uh found lost
Speaker 1: knowledge kind of find out he was friends with Lubotsky.
Speaker 2: And it's a whole thing. It's a whole thing.
Speaker 3: Back in these times, it wasn't that crazy to be
Speaker 3: in a brotherhood, like a secret society, like it was
Speaker 3: mainly just a bunch of brotherhoods who would get together
Speaker 3: and maybe they would perform, be performing some kind of
Speaker 3: you know, occult write or some kind of spell work
Speaker 3: or whatever they're doing. But for the most part, I
Speaker 3: would say that it was a lot like maybe the
Speaker 3: the Freemasonic Brotherhood of today, where people would get together,
Speaker 3: maybe they would look and try and see how how
Speaker 3: can they better their own lives and maybe maybe throw
Speaker 3: on a black cloak and light some candles or some shit.
Speaker 3: But for the most part, I would look at these as,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of harmless.
Speaker 2: Personally, you would think so.
Speaker 1: And I'm not saying that every member of every organization
Speaker 1: has got malicious intent, right, But that's the problem. When
Speaker 1: you look at the OTO, you also have to mention
Speaker 1: Alistair Crowley, who was somebody who was doing evil for
Speaker 1: evil intent. There's other contemporaries of his that claimed that
Speaker 1: they were doing the same thing. So it sucks that
Speaker 1: one bad apple will ruin the bunch. But that does
Speaker 1: in fact kind of be like that. But again, and
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that he was.
Speaker 2: A member of OTO.
Speaker 1: I'm saying that he was really, really, really tight friends
Speaker 1: with multiple writers who also were high up in the OTO.
Speaker 2: So far Eastern new ways.
Speaker 1: Of thinking, lost information, things that nobody had ever heard
Speaker 1: about before. This played in very very well. Now the
Speaker 1: recent history of it right. The history documentary we just
Speaker 1: watched the second a little five minute that brought up Nanmadal,
Speaker 1: now Nana Medal is fascinating for multiple reasons.
Speaker 2: We have talked about it before.
Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, these these long not cylindrical,
Speaker 1: but they're oblong carved stones that were stacked almost like
Speaker 1: Lincoln logs. But they're stone on this random island in
Speaker 1: the Pacific, and that's fascinating for so many reasons. So
Speaker 1: I did a little digging on that one as well,
Speaker 1: because as they brought it up, I was curious what
Speaker 1: the quote unquote official narrative of this was. Come to
Speaker 1: find out, the United States National Park Services has an
Speaker 1: entire page dedicated to it, and the story of it
Speaker 1: is actually pretty fascinating as well. But it's also been
Speaker 1: confirmed for a few different reasons, and that kind of
Speaker 1: discredits the Lost Island of Mew conversation.
Speaker 2: So let's dig in.
Speaker 3: By the way, I do want to say too, something
Speaker 3: that I've been discovering on my journey here, not only
Speaker 3: as a podcaster, but maybe as a maybe even a
Speaker 3: spiritual kind of person who likes to look into a
Speaker 3: lot of secret societies and ancient wisdoms and stuff like that.
Speaker 3: Is is once you start getting into you know, older
Speaker 3: literature of people who have been involved in some kind
Speaker 3: of secret societies. We've gone over a couple of them.
Speaker 3: It seems to me, and I could be wrong on this,
Speaker 3: but I feel like I'm picking up what they're putting down.
Speaker 3: Whenever they talk on you know, ancient sites, ancient lands,
Speaker 3: and even certain star systems and certain planetary alignments and
Speaker 3: stuff like that. It seems to me that a lot
Speaker 3: of this stuff it doesn't necessarily have to be one
Speaker 3: hundred percent true, because I think that they're just using
Speaker 3: it as a symbol within their occult magic. That's my
Speaker 3: personal belief that I think that, you know, And just
Speaker 3: for example, whenever me and Sean read The Magickian, which
Speaker 3: written by this guy named Philip Cooper. He had a
Speaker 3: great understanding of certain occult and magic and spell work
Speaker 3: and you know, Building your Temple and all that fun jazz,
Speaker 3: which was a great book, and I feel like I
Speaker 3: kind of, you know, I understand a lot more about
Speaker 3: this kind of stuff, you know, which I think helps
Speaker 3: with the cult because we go over a lot of
Speaker 3: occult stuff. But one thing that he said in that
Speaker 3: book was Whenever he's talking about certain planetary alignments and stuff,
Speaker 3: he doesn't necessarily believe that there's an energy that is
Speaker 3: coming from the stars and is directly affecting you in
Speaker 3: his mind. He's just using it as a symbol for
Speaker 3: his subconscious mind work, that is the temple within your
Speaker 3: own mind. So that's a way of looking at it.
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that that's how they all do it,
Speaker 3: but that was his way of interpreting it, and that
Speaker 3: is my way of like looking at it. You know,
Speaker 3: at least right now.
Speaker 1: I could say at least the people of the day
Speaker 1: and age of the eighteen hundreds didn't see it that way.
Speaker 1: They were physically doing things to get physical results at least.
Speaker 1: And again I'm not saying every single person associated with
Speaker 1: some sort of a high wizard, Okay, like the level
Speaker 1: person is like the entry level person. Just because they
Speaker 1: happen to be somebody famous doesn't make them immediately controlled
Speaker 1: by and da da da da.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, that's where it gets into the whole idea of
Speaker 3: I mean placebo. This is where I think that it
Speaker 3: really starts to play into it. Like if you really
Speaker 3: if you're I don't know. Let's say you're outside, you know,
Speaker 3: and you're practicing some moon magic or something like that,
Speaker 3: and you know, mercury also happens to be in retrograde,
Speaker 3: So in your the temple of your mind, you're performing
Speaker 3: this magic as if mercury is having an effect on
Speaker 3: your body, and subconsciously you eventually, you know, accept that
Speaker 3: you're doing it in the right you know, star climate
Speaker 3: that now it makes it more accessible and more possible
Speaker 3: for whatever kind of religious right that you're trying to
Speaker 3: carry out. And so, I mean, that's a way of
Speaker 3: looking at it, but I'm not gonna say it's the
Speaker 3: way for everybody. I think that a lot of it
Speaker 3: just has to do with the subconscious mind, dude. And
Speaker 3: because there is is like the symbolism. We We've gone
Speaker 3: through symbolism plenty of times before where it doesn't this
Speaker 3: like you know, they'll use a sword or a cup,
Speaker 3: or a wand or a shield, or you know, they
Speaker 3: use certain things that are they they're only symbols. And
Speaker 3: even right now I have I have incense like burning
Speaker 3: right now, white sage incense. It's my favorite one. And personally,
Speaker 3: whenever they teach you to whenever you're meditating or even
Speaker 3: within certain occult like behavior where you're trying to you know,
Speaker 3: set up your temple. They say that the and this
Speaker 3: is just an example, but they say that whenever you
Speaker 3: whenever you're doing that kind of stuff, you want to
Speaker 3: light an incense, And not because it has any magical
Speaker 3: powers or features or anything like that. It's that it
Speaker 3: is the smell of it is putting your subconscious and
Speaker 3: your mind into a zone like in a in a
Speaker 3: weird way that lets you know that, all right, this
Speaker 3: is a magical space. It's not necessarily that it is
Speaker 3: a magical space. It's kind that just teaching your mind
Speaker 3: to think that it is. And so that's that. I
Speaker 3: don't know, that's just kind of I wanted to touch
Speaker 3: on that. I'm not saying that it necessarily pertains to this.
Speaker 3: It's just kind of a little background.
Speaker 2: Okay, So anyway, let's talk about Namadal.
Speaker 1: So anyway, as we're talking about an episode about lost continents.
Speaker 3: And all, you know, yeah, let's get back to that.
Speaker 1: So Namodal again is the possible last remnant of the
Speaker 1: continent of Mew allegedly. However, there is an official history
Speaker 1: of the island and it actually has been kind of
Speaker 1: fact checked and verified to a degree, but there's some
Speaker 1: room for interpretation on this, So let's dig in.
Speaker 3: Few historic places in the Pacific are as intriguing as Nanmdal.
Speaker 3: The city ruins are on a coral reef and a
Speaker 3: lagoon on the tiny island of Temwin, adjacent to the
Speaker 3: eastern shore of the island of orone pone Pie.
Speaker 2: We're gonna fuck up the pronunciations here, y'all, sorry about that.
Speaker 3: Or I feel like it's probably Pompeii.
Speaker 1: I don't know, because that the language of all of
Speaker 1: the islands, dude, is very difficult. I would be butchering
Speaker 1: it myself. And then when you get to the Polynesian languages,
Speaker 1: there's only fourteen letters. So that's why it's like Khalikilikilikiliki
Speaker 1: is different than Khalikiliki because like they keep adding more
Speaker 1: syllables of the same thing because they ran out of them.
Speaker 2: It's ridiculous.
Speaker 3: Well, either way, it's adjacent to the eastern shore of
Speaker 3: the island of Pompei in the Federated States of Micronesia.
Speaker 3: Before its abandonment, Namidal was a major political and spiritual
Speaker 3: hub for native Pompeiians. Throughout its five hundred year life
Speaker 3: from twelve hundred to seventeen hundred, the city served as
Speaker 3: a religious center, a royal enclave, a fortress, an urban marketplace,
Speaker 3: and the high seat of government for the island of Pompeii.
Speaker 3: Relatively unknown outside of Micronesia, the city of Namidal is
Speaker 3: a hidden gem of Micronesian history and culture in a
Speaker 3: grand site from modern visitors. During its height, Namodal was
Speaker 3: the seed of the Suddalor dynasty, which united all of
Speaker 3: Pompey's estimated twenty five thousand people. The Sandalor were originally
Speaker 3: a foreign tribe who came to Pompei and installed themselves
Speaker 3: as rulers of the island. The Sandalor first appeared around
Speaker 3: the year eleven hundred and built Nanmodal around twelve hundred.
Speaker 3: According to Pompeian oral history, the first Sandalor to arrive
Speaker 3: on Pompey were two brothers, al Li Sheepa and Alo
Speaker 3: Alo Sopa Okay. There were canoe faring sorcerers who received
Speaker 3: their powers from the gods and used their magic to
Speaker 3: build Nanmdal. This is so impressed or this so impressed
Speaker 3: the native Pompeiians, that they invited the Sandalor to marry
Speaker 3: into their tribe. When one of the brothers eventually died,
Speaker 3: the other declared himself king. The Sandalor built Nanmodal as
Speaker 3: a temple for the farm god non issown Suppua, the
Speaker 3: god worshiped by the Sandalor nobility.
Speaker 1: All right, so right off top, there's some room for interpretation.
Speaker 1: We got some master builders coming up on a canoe,
Speaker 1: some sorcery going down, and that these people basically just
Speaker 1: asked these visitors to marry in and then become a
Speaker 1: king when one of them died, and all that stuff,
Speaker 1: and all of that is that room for interpretation. Who's
Speaker 1: to say, right, However, even orally they have understood that
Speaker 1: this was built in twelve hundred AD, So like, even
Speaker 1: orally speaking, they don't believe that this is like thousands
Speaker 1: of years old lost history any of that. They believe
Speaker 1: that this was like they're relatively recent ancestors that built this.
Speaker 1: It would be the same as us like looking at
Speaker 1: Notre Dame and saying like, yeah, the European ancestors built that,
Speaker 1: and they have pictures and they have depictions and the
Speaker 1: blueprints and all this stuff. About it, right, So that's
Speaker 1: where it kind of like, all right, is the island
Speaker 1: necessarily a remnant of Mew but not necessarily because it's
Speaker 1: built on top of a coral reef.
Speaker 2: The reef has been there for forever.
Speaker 1: This island was built on top of it, allegedly in
Speaker 1: the year twelve hundred eight D.
Speaker 3: So that's if you want to believe. That's if you
Speaker 3: want to believe oral tradition.
Speaker 1: Like I said, there's probably that kernel of truth somewhere. Now,
Speaker 1: does the person who is passing down the story remember
Speaker 1: exactly in the year of Our Lord twelve hundred eight
Speaker 1: D and all this, Like I don't know, right, how
Speaker 1: did they say that? Was it this many lunar cycles?
Speaker 1: This many times this star has been in this position,
Speaker 1: and that's how they juxtaposed the actual date on it.
Speaker 1: Who's to say, but at least they know that it
Speaker 1: wasn't like pre it what in BC.
Speaker 3: Right? Right? Yeah, yeah, for sure, I mean, who's to say, dude,
Speaker 3: There's there's even been like weirder ways of counting days
Speaker 3: and weeks and months and years, and like, you know,
Speaker 3: I just found out this thing, a fun little side
Speaker 3: thing here. I just found out the ways in which
Speaker 3: people back in the day, they would they would count
Speaker 3: a dozen in one hand. So like for all the
Speaker 3: Patreon watchers, you would do like, all right, so all
Speaker 3: of your your first four fingers excluding your thumb, they
Speaker 3: all have three little slits in them, right, and so
Speaker 3: you would count the pinky one, two, three, four, five, six, seven,
Speaker 3: eight nine, and so four times three would be twelve,
Speaker 3: And so you would have twelve and a twelve in
Speaker 3: one hand. And then if you wanted to add the
Speaker 3: Baker's dozen, you'd throw in the thumb bro and.
Speaker 1: Counting the creases on the hand. I never thought about that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, pretty neat.
Speaker 2: That's fucking wild.
Speaker 1: But okay, so again we're talking about these crazy oral
Speaker 1: traditions and how they got passed down. What do we
Speaker 1: have as far as real dates on anything, Well, at
Speaker 1: least right here we have in sixteen twenty eight, we
Speaker 1: have an actual year associated with something happening at Namad.
Speaker 3: In sixteen twenty eight, the warrior hero iso Kekel Isokellkel.
Speaker 3: I love these names. The warrior hero Isokellkel led an
Speaker 3: invasion on Pompeii and defeated the s Sedular tribe Pompeiian
Speaker 3: oral history says that Isokellkel was a demigod and the
Speaker 3: vengeful son of the Pompeiian storm god Non Soapwa, who
Speaker 3: had grown unhappy with the tyranny of Nnison. Sapua and
Speaker 3: the Sedular historians believe that Isokellkel was the leader of
Speaker 3: a band of micro Micronesian settlers from the nearby island
Speaker 3: of Causre. Isokellkel led his war band of warriors, women
Speaker 3: and children in victory with the assistance of the oppressed
Speaker 3: Pompeiian populace. With the defeat of the Sandalore Non medal
Speaker 3: significance of Pon to Pompeiians slowly eroded. In was eventually
Speaker 3: abandoned in the eighteenth century.
Speaker 1: Okay, so basically, as soon as it was built, it
Speaker 1: was inhabited, and it didn't stop being inhabited until the
Speaker 1: seventeen hundreds. Now, before we get into Lemyria, as far
Speaker 1: as the lost continent of mew goes, I'm not saying
Speaker 1: that it one hundred percent does not exist.
Speaker 2: Okay, It's very possible that it exists.
Speaker 1: I am saying that the only written history, the earliest
Speaker 1: written history of it that we have came from a
Speaker 1: Scottish writer with no archaeological background, who allegedly got this
Speaker 1: information from a Hindu a resi from clay tablets, claiming
Speaker 1: to be the lost brotherhood of something that doesn't exist,
Speaker 1: And when you search it, it immediately pulls you into HP.
Speaker 2: Lovecraft.
Speaker 1: So does it mean that there's no lost continent out
Speaker 1: there in the in the Pacific Ocean.
Speaker 9: No?
Speaker 1: Does it mean that it's the story of mew as
Speaker 1: we have been led to believe from certain sources in
Speaker 1: the history channel.
Speaker 2: Probably not.
Speaker 3: Yeah, especially whenever you get into the whole white race
Speaker 3: kind of thing. That's very you know, going into the
Speaker 3: arians of Hitler, it's going into you know, Atlantis was
Speaker 3: all like white people, or not necessarily white, but what
Speaker 3: were they? Colonial people? Right and not savages?
Speaker 1: Right exactly. And see, you got to look at the time,
Speaker 1: place and audience. Right in the eighteen hundreds when he
Speaker 1: wrote these books, slavery was still in effect in a
Speaker 1: lot of countries. Right, the Civil War had I'm drawing
Speaker 1: a blank on when he had wrote the book, but
Speaker 1: the Civil War had probably just drawn to a close.
Speaker 1: There was a lot of racial divide within not just America,
Speaker 1: but a lot of Europe.
Speaker 2: And I could understand why they would say that this
Speaker 2: enlightened race had to be white and all these things.
Speaker 1: Eugenics was a normal conversation to be had at the
Speaker 1: dinner table about how certain races shouldn't be allowed to breed.
Speaker 1: That was a normal dinner conversation in most households in
Speaker 1: a certain day and age. Now, that's disgusting and abhorrent,
Speaker 1: and we know this now, but apparently back then, in
Speaker 1: their mindset, this was normal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it makes sense, I mean. And the thing is
Speaker 3: is that I'm not one to hate on our ancestors
Speaker 3: in history because maybe they seemed, you know, racist, or
Speaker 3: they were slave owners or something like that. You got
Speaker 3: to look at it, dude, like times are always changing,
Speaker 3: and like the context is always so important, especially whenever
Speaker 3: it comes to history, and so tearing down statues of
Speaker 3: fucking Thomas Jefferson because he had because he had a slave,
Speaker 3: it's like, dude, like almost everybody did you know what
Speaker 3: I mean? Like, if you were of importance, if you
Speaker 3: had some sway over the people, you probably had the help.
Speaker 3: And I'm of course like that's unacceptable now, but that
Speaker 3: was acceptable back then. And so we can't just try
Speaker 3: and erase history because it's racist or anything like that.
Speaker 3: History is history. You can agree with it or you
Speaker 3: can disagree with it, but it will always be history.
Speaker 3: And whenever we try and go erasing history, then you
Speaker 3: get crazy stories like this popping up because now nobody
Speaker 3: knows the history and everybody's drawing off their imagination. Like,
Speaker 3: let's try and keep history around. You know, as as
Speaker 3: like fucked as it may be, it is still history.
Speaker 2: But yes, we do need to learn history.
Speaker 1: I'm glad you said it, because you have said so
Speaker 1: many times why is history important?
Speaker 2: It is.
Speaker 1: However, you have to look at it through a lens.
Speaker 1: You have to look at it through context. Because if
Speaker 1: we read those history books, the good guys have always
Speaker 1: won one hundred percent of the time. Yeah, right, and
Speaker 1: nothing has ever been out of sorts. The story is
Speaker 1: exactly as they've told us, one hundred percent. No, that's
Speaker 1: not a correct way to look at things either. We
Speaker 1: have to look at it. We have to keep our
Speaker 1: feet on the ground, yet our head in the clouds.
Speaker 1: Let's try to look at it from the optimistic point
Speaker 1: of view. Let's try to look at it for the
Speaker 1: reality of it. But you're right, history is very rarely.
Speaker 1: Pretty yeah, in the reality of the situation, No, we
Speaker 1: hear of these glorious wars, these glorious battles where this
Speaker 1: man came out victorious.
Speaker 2: You understand, like thousands.
Speaker 1: Of dudes cleaved themselves to death with enlarged knives, and
Speaker 1: that's how this glorious story came.
Speaker 2: Like, yo, very rarely is history pretty right?
Speaker 3: Right? And just because just because we may have certain
Speaker 3: emotions about history, we disagree with it, we don't like it,
Speaker 3: we don't want to stand up for it, we don't
Speaker 3: want to believe it because of its disgusting nature or whatever, like,
Speaker 3: it still happened. And you know, and and I get
Speaker 3: that you do want to look at it through a
Speaker 3: certain context, but you don't necessarily have to look at
Speaker 3: it like, oh, well, it must be the right way
Speaker 3: because that's how they did it. It's like not necessarily
Speaker 3: always so cut and dry.
Speaker 1: Sometimes yes, sometimes absolutely the way they used to do
Speaker 1: it was the better way, the correct way, sometimes not.
Speaker 3: Given the day and age, and you know, the tools
Speaker 3: and the knowledge that they had, they did the best
Speaker 3: with what they.
Speaker 1: Did, absolutely, and then you look at what they were
Speaker 1: able to accomplish with the means that they had at
Speaker 1: that time, and it is mine blowing and that's how
Speaker 1: you see these things, and you're like, bro, humans clearly
Speaker 1: had more going for them at certain points in time
Speaker 1: than we do now. But then you see the things
Speaker 1: we're able to do, and it's like, there's there's obvious breakdowns,
Speaker 1: there's obvious gaps.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And another one of these big gaps leads us to
Speaker 1: our next conversation about the lost continent of Lamria, because
Speaker 1: this is one of those where it falls in the middle.
Speaker 1: We got Mew, which is pretty much completely falsified at
Speaker 1: this time. We have dogger Land that is completely confirmed
Speaker 1: to be true in all way, shapes and forms, and
Speaker 1: we got Lamiria. Lamiria is this weird example of one
Speaker 1: that has been quote unquote confirmed false yet recently has
Speaker 1: been discovered to probably have a lot more going for
Speaker 1: it than what we originally believed. But but because certain
Speaker 1: people who come out to be pieces of shit later
Speaker 1: on referenced it, it threw more spirals into the mix.
Speaker 2: So are you ready to dive into the land of Limeria?
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, let's go, dude.
Speaker 10: No matter where you currently reside in Africa, Asia, Australia, Europe,
Speaker 10: North or South America, or even Antarctica. You've probably been
Speaker 10: taught these seven continents of the world in school, but
Speaker 10: did you know there might just have been another continent.
Speaker 10: Ever since the days of the Greeks, people have tried
Speaker 10: to prove that thriving civilizations once existed on huge islands
Speaker 10: that have since sunk beneath the sea. And if you're
Speaker 10: guessing Atlantis, then you might be surprised to know Atlantis
Speaker 10: isn't the only once great civilization to have allegedly sunk
Speaker 10: beneath the waves. We're talking about the lost continent of Limuria.
Speaker 10: In the mid eighteen hundreds, a few scientists, working from
Speaker 10: scant evidence, theorized that there once was a lost continent
Speaker 10: in the Indian Ocean, and they called it Limuria Limuria.
Speaker 10: What started as a straight lay scientific theory ended up
Speaker 10: attracting all sorts of true believers, from Victorian occultists to
Speaker 10: Indian nationalists.
Speaker 1: I'll say that that's also quite interesting that it brought
Speaker 1: Victorian era occultists into the same conversation as Indian nationalists.
Speaker 2: This is a wild one, brother, it really is.
Speaker 3: I can't say that I'm surprised like that kind of
Speaker 3: just brings back to what I was referencing to earlier,
Speaker 3: that I think that people just use this for their
Speaker 3: occult behavior and not necessarily historical, you know, realness.
Speaker 1: But this is one where there is at least that
Speaker 1: shred of historical realness with it.
Speaker 2: So let's keep going on.
Speaker 10: This lost continent. Some even thought there once lived a
Speaker 10: race of now extinct humans called Limurians, who had fore
Speaker 10: arms and enormous hermaphroditic bodies, but nevertheless are the ancestors
Speaker 10: of modern day humans and perhaps also nemurs. The story
Speaker 10: of Limuria begins with the British zoologists named Philip Sclater,
Speaker 10: who wrote an essay in eighteen sixty four called the
Speaker 10: Mammals of Madagascar and It. Sclater wondered how Madagascar, an
Speaker 10: island off the eastern coast of Africa, could be home
Speaker 10: to dozens of species of small catlike primates leamers, while
Speaker 10: the entire continents of Africa and India had what Sclater
Speaker 10: believed to be only a few species of lemurs. Kingian
Speaker 10: Africa and India.
Speaker 3: Segan, no, I was just making a joke, King Julian Ah,
Speaker 3: King Julian absolutely.
Speaker 10: Yeah, had no true lemurs at all, but Slater grouped
Speaker 10: some other big eyed primates as lemurs. This was long
Speaker 10: before plate tectonics and continental drift, or household words. Plate
Speaker 10: tectonics didn't gain traction until the nineteen twenties, so Sklater's
Speaker 10: best guess was that lemurs originated on Madagascar and migrated
Speaker 10: to Africa and India over a vast land bridge the
Speaker 10: size of a great continent. Sclater wrote, I should propose
Speaker 10: the name Limuria, naming the hypothetical continent after his fari friends.
Speaker 10: Charles Darwin published On the Origin of Species in eighteen
Speaker 10: fifty nine, and for those who accepted his controversial theory
Speaker 10: of natural selection, there was one burning question, where and
Speaker 10: when did the human race first emerge? In a popular
Speaker 10: book titled Tistory of Creation, an influential German biologist named
Speaker 10: Ernest Hakel peddled his own theories of evolution.
Speaker 2: Name it real quick, real quick.
Speaker 1: We're going to talk more about Ernest Hakel here in
Speaker 1: a little bit, but before.
Speaker 2: We talk about what he's about to say, keep.
Speaker 1: In mind he is a German scientist in the late
Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds early nineteen hundreds who has theories about evolution.
Speaker 1: Just so we're already taking that not yet, those guys
Speaker 1: didn't come into later, but that was a common theme
Speaker 1: in the culture of certain groups.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Hey, they weren't saying sekta just yet, just yet. The
Speaker 1: socialism movement hadn't taken hold yet, because let's not forget
Speaker 1: the Nazi Party is a socialist party as a matter
Speaker 1: of fact, that's what the Z slash s in Nazi
Speaker 1: stands for.
Speaker 3: Anyway, the precursor to the Nazis possibly.
Speaker 1: Just you know, one of the scientists that they would
Speaker 1: reference later on, is all I'm gonna say.
Speaker 2: But let's keep going.
Speaker 3: Maybe Aleman no I was saying, maybe a paper clip gentleman.
Speaker 1: I don't believe a paperclip gentleman because he was He
Speaker 1: wasn't that type of scientist, right, but he would have
Speaker 1: been the type that would have been listened to as
Speaker 1: far as what makes certain groups of people better and
Speaker 1: more efficient than others who are subpar.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 3: I mean, we know that the Nazis were like heavy
Speaker 3: into the occult, and maybe a lot of their occult
Speaker 3: behavior stems from this guy.
Speaker 1: Is kind of where I was going okay, all right,
Speaker 1: i' se where you're going on. Well, I see the
Speaker 1: connections and it's there one hundred percent.
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, let's.
Speaker 10: Get revolution, naming Slater's lost continent of Limuria as the
Speaker 10: likely cradle of humanity. According to Hegel, there were twelve
Speaker 10: varieties of men, and the first humans to evolve from
Speaker 10: ancient primates did so on Limuria and spread from there
Speaker 10: around the globe. Hegel wrote in eighteen seventy the probable
Speaker 10: primeval home or paradise is here assumed to be Limuria,
Speaker 10: a tropical continent at present lying below the level of
Speaker 10: the Indian Ocean, the former existence of which in the
Speaker 10: tertiary period seems very probable from numerous facts and animals
Speaker 10: and vegetable geography. It should be noted that Darwin wasn't
Speaker 10: exactly a fan of land bridges and sunk in continents.
Speaker 10: He once wrote a letter to Charles Leal, a prominent
Speaker 10: geologist who promoted the idea that continents routinely sunk and resurfaced, saying, if.
Speaker 3: There be a lower region for the punishment of geologists,
Speaker 3: I believe, my great master, you will go there.
Speaker 10: Well, all this might seem outlandish, these ideas flourished for
Speaker 10: a time, both in pop culture and some corners of
Speaker 10: the scientific community. Of course, modern science has long since
Speaker 10: debunked the idea of limoria altogether.
Speaker 2: They've debunked it allegedly, or.
Speaker 3: Have they allegedly? I don't know how you necessarily, I
Speaker 3: don't know how you debunk something when you don't have
Speaker 3: all of the facts. Whenever you've only discovered ninety five
Speaker 3: or only discovered five percent of the ocean floor, how
Speaker 3: do you go about debunking something whenever you only have
Speaker 3: five percent of an idea?
Speaker 11: You know?
Speaker 2: Right? Absolutely and all right.
Speaker 1: So to say that Madagascar at one point connected to Africa,
Speaker 1: that's not a crazy theory. I thought that was understood
Speaker 1: to be true. So to say that there was a
Speaker 1: lanmbridge connecting that, why is that's not crazy? To say
Speaker 1: that there may have been a lanmbridge connecting it to India.
Speaker 2: Again, you look at it.
Speaker 1: Which countries, which areas of the world have primates that
Speaker 1: look like they do on Madagascar? A logical scientist again,
Speaker 1: the guy who came up with this idea was a zoologist.
Speaker 2: He was a real professional in this. He wasn't a hobbyist.
Speaker 1: He was making a hypothesis based off of what he saw,
Speaker 1: and it's not a crazy theory, to be honest with you.
Speaker 2: This other guy proposed that that might be where because.
Speaker 1: Again certain sources say that maybe some humans evolved into
Speaker 1: lemurs and some evolved into humans.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It got a little weird there for
Speaker 2: a bit.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, Darwin's theory of evolution had
Speaker 1: just become talking points.
Speaker 2: People were openly questioning whether.
Speaker 1: They believed in the creationism or the darwin as an
Speaker 1: aspect for the first time in human history for the
Speaker 1: most part.
Speaker 3: Well, and to be fair, like if you saw an
Speaker 3: animal that you knew was like, if you saw an
Speaker 3: animal that you knew was primarily from one area of
Speaker 3: the world, and then you happen to see that same
Speaker 3: animal in another area of the world, you would suspect
Speaker 3: that they there was some kind of land bridge if
Speaker 3: there is a big gap, so like for example a function. Yeah,
Speaker 3: like for example, if you thought that there was a
Speaker 3: land bridge from Australia to Antarctica, for example, and maybe
Speaker 3: you would come to that conclusion because I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe there's a YETI version of a fucking kangaroo living
Speaker 3: in Antarctica or something along those lines.
Speaker 2: I see what you're going with it. Yeah, one percent,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent.
Speaker 1: Look, there's only certain places on Earth that tigers exist.
Speaker 1: Right If the Earth was wiped out right now and
Speaker 1: they were to do digs later on and somehow found
Speaker 1: tiger fossils in that area of the world, they would
Speaker 1: reasonably assume that tigers lived in that area, and since
Speaker 1: they can't find them anywhere else, they would kind of
Speaker 1: be cool with that.
Speaker 2: Although actually, shit.
Speaker 3: I mean, most of the world's tigers are in fucking
Speaker 3: Texas right now.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I thought about that.
Speaker 1: After I said it, I was like, damn, they're gonna
Speaker 1: think that tigers actually populated Texas and by the number
Speaker 1: as they technically do now.
Speaker 2: But that's I mean, that's kind of like an awesome
Speaker 2: isn't it.
Speaker 3: It is pretty rad. But it's kind of like chicken
Speaker 3: or the egg kind of thing at that point.
Speaker 1: And that's the same game we play, right, That's wild.
Speaker 1: But again they say it's been debunked, but has it really?
Speaker 10: But then in twenty thirteen, geologists discovered evidence of a
Speaker 10: lost continent precisely where Limuria was said to have existed,
Speaker 10: and the old theory started cropping up once again. Soon
Speaker 10: other noted scientists and authors took the Limuria theory and
Speaker 10: ran with it. With help from Hackel, Limuria theories persisted
Speaker 10: throughout the eighteen hundreds and into the early nineteen hundreds.
Speaker 10: This was before modern science discovered ancient human remains in
Speaker 10: Africa that suggested that continent was actually the cradle of humankind.
Speaker 10: This was also before modern seismologists understood plate tectonics. Without
Speaker 10: such knowledge, which many continued to embrace the notion of Limuria,
Speaker 10: especially after Russian occultist medium and author Elena Blavatska Jahn
Speaker 10: published A Secret Doctrine in eighteen eighty eight. This book
Speaker 10: proposed the idea that there was once seven ancient races
Speaker 10: of humanity, and that Limuria had been the home of
Speaker 10: one of them. This fifteen foot tall, fore armed hermaphrodite
Speaker 10: race flourished alongside the dinosaurs fringe theories.
Speaker 1: Even if we are to believe that dinosaurs are not
Speaker 1: fag and gay. With that, with that assumption, of course,
Speaker 1: Madam Blovotsky was speaking about things if we are to
Speaker 1: assume that they're not faking gay Okay.
Speaker 10: Suggested that these Lemurians evolved into lemurs we have today. Afterward,
Speaker 10: Lemuria understandably found its way into novels, movies, and comic
Speaker 10: books well into the nineteen forties. Many people saw these
Speaker 10: works of fiction and wondered where authors and filmmakers got
Speaker 10: these fanciful lighted Well, they got their ideas from scientists
Speaker 10: and writers about seventy five years before. But can there
Speaker 10: be a possibility that lu Warria was real in twos.
Speaker 1: So just throwing that out here to answer the question
Speaker 1: that we proposed earlier. All of these writers in the
Speaker 1: you know, late eighteen hundreds, early nineteen hundreds, where do
Speaker 1: they get all of these crazy concepts from. They got
Speaker 1: it from scientists about seventy years prior, because to them
Speaker 1: in that day and age, this would have been considered
Speaker 1: sci fi.
Speaker 3: Well, I just looked it up the book that she
Speaker 3: was referencing. As far as Madame Wilvad's Doctrine. Yeah, the
Speaker 3: Secret Doctrine. I just looked it up.
Speaker 2: It's like her most famous work.
Speaker 9: Right.
Speaker 3: Uh, you can get it on Amazon, dude, for I
Speaker 3: mean the paperback version for five dollars and ninety five cents.
Speaker 3: But I was looking it up. It's only one hundred and
Speaker 3: thirty four pages, but it's interesting. The book review it says,
Speaker 3: the origin and evolution of the universe explained in terms
Speaker 3: derived from the Hindu concept of cyclical development. The world
Speaker 3: and everything in it is supposed to alternate between periods
Speaker 3: of activity and periods of passivity. The periods of activity
Speaker 3: lasts many millions of years and consists of a number
Speaker 3: of Yugas in accordance with Hindu cosmology. That's I mean,
Speaker 3: some people will like to because we all right, this
Speaker 3: and this, I guess you can make the case for
Speaker 3: like global warming, about how there is certain cycles and
Speaker 3: that's where you get into the Yugas and the Cali
Speaker 3: Yugas and shit like that. I hear a lot about
Speaker 3: that kind of stuff on Crow Triple seven podcasts. He
Speaker 3: talks about the Yugas and the changing of the age.
Speaker 3: Some people want to say that we're moving into the
Speaker 3: age of Aquarius. It's kind of in that realm of
Speaker 3: like the Hindu Vedic, you know, version of our astrology
Speaker 3: as far as yugas and timeframes.
Speaker 1: So the same way that our Scottish writer Homie went
Speaker 1: to India, found some quote unquote information and wrote a
Speaker 1: book about it that people thought to be real. Blavotski
Speaker 1: did the same thing, and she was confirmed a member
Speaker 1: of OTO, and she was a contemporary of Alistair Crowley,
Speaker 1: and she was doing.
Speaker 2: These types of rituals.
Speaker 1: Although she was kind of a reason why OTO went
Speaker 1: into the direction that it went, because she was pushing
Speaker 1: a lot more Eastern Inveadic philosophies while a lot of
Speaker 1: the other other members of that group were looking into
Speaker 1: Christian esotericism and Western you know, cosmology if you will,
Speaker 1: So they kind of had a splitting of the mind,
Speaker 1: so to speak. She was very, very influential in Eastern
Speaker 1: esotericism making its way into the mainframe in Europe.
Speaker 3: But right, and this astrology is so different really across
Speaker 3: the world too, Like when.
Speaker 1: I'm not talking about astrology, I'm talking about like cosmology
Speaker 1: and witchcraft and magic and that type of stuff. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: the stars come and play into that in some way,
Speaker 1: shape or form, but that's whatever.
Speaker 2: Right, But that's of this same day and age.
Speaker 1: And where was she getting these theories from scientists seventy
Speaker 1: years prior when they were writing essays to each other
Speaker 1: theorizing about certain things. So it's all in the same
Speaker 1: timeframe where people were looking at things from a different perspective.
Speaker 1: They were looking at new possibilities, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Eugenics was being discussed, evolution was being discussed, lost continents,
Speaker 1: lost civilizations, all these things are being discussed. New books
Speaker 1: and new literature were being written about it every year,
Speaker 1: it seemed, and it was just getting more and more crazy.
Speaker 1: But again, in twenty thirteen they did that study and
Speaker 1: they found remnants of a land connection. So again it's
Speaker 1: not necessarily that's that kernel of truth. No, I don't
Speaker 1: believe that Madagascar aka Lemeria or whatever was ever the
Speaker 1: home of a fifteen foot four armed lemur primate hermaphroditic race.
Speaker 1: I don't personally believe that Madam Blovotsky did, and that's
Speaker 1: on her. I'm not throwing shade. But when you look
Speaker 1: at the connection of the lambridge that they talk about,
Speaker 1: it later on got more confirmed.
Speaker 3: I just bought that book, by the way, you want
Speaker 3: to know, I said, just bought that book.
Speaker 2: Of course, dude, I would expect nothing less.
Speaker 1: You must bring it up on the on meta for
Speaker 1: anybody who hasn't gone and checked out meta, you should.
Speaker 3: You should, Yeah, dude, especially like these kind of books
Speaker 3: that are like, you know, a cult like and you know,
Speaker 3: I've never personally read anything from Madam Blovotsky. But it's
Speaker 3: only one hundred and twenty seven pages. I can easily
Speaker 3: bang that out in three episodes on Meta Mysteries.
Speaker 2: Dude, Absolutely, dude, I can't wait to hear it.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, all right, let's go into more confirmation about
Speaker 1: this lost land that may or may not be real.
Speaker 10: In twenty seventeen, researchers discovered some interesting evidence near the
Speaker 10: nation of Mauritius. Any scientific theories of a lost continent
Speaker 10: and land bridge responsible for the migration of lemurs is gone. However,
Speaker 10: scientists found fragments of granite in the ocean south of
Speaker 10: India along a shelf that extends hundreds of miles south
Speaker 10: of the country towards Mauritius. On Mauritius, geologists found zircon
Speaker 10: despite the fact that the island only came into being
Speaker 10: two million years ago and thanks to plate tectonics and volcanoes,
Speaker 10: slowly rose out of the Indian Ocean as a small
Speaker 10: land mass. However, the zircon they found they're data to
Speaker 10: three billion years ago, eons before the island had even formed.
Speaker 10: Scientists dearized what this meant was that the zircon had
Speaker 10: come from a much older land mass that long ago
Speaker 10: sunk into the Indian Ocean. It's gleaty.
Speaker 1: So just so we're on the same page here, they
Speaker 1: found a granite shelf with zirconia that all matched the
Speaker 1: same strand if you will, zirconia by that's a cubic
Speaker 1: zirconia that you can use as like quote unquote fake diamonds.
Speaker 1: Zircon is like the raw form of that. So they
Speaker 1: found this thread under the ground that now confirms that
Speaker 1: this at one time ancient, long ago. They're throwing billions.
Speaker 1: They're throwing millions too. The fuck knows, doesn't matter. You're
Speaker 1: telling me that there was an actual connection and that
Speaker 1: you just confirmed and are now side stepping.
Speaker 3: Pretty interesting. I have a question, It might be a
Speaker 3: stupid question, but to your knowledge, I mean, this is
Speaker 3: probably something that's well known. Are all land masses where
Speaker 3: they all formed because of volcanoes? Like every land mass
Speaker 3: on the Earth, is it all because of a volcano?
Speaker 1: No, Pangaea would be the origin that a lot of
Speaker 1: people will.
Speaker 2: Go off of.
Speaker 3: And then there was was Pangaea formed because of a volcano.
Speaker 1: No, No, from what they can tell, Pangaea formed basically
Speaker 1: from the forming.
Speaker 2: Of the Earth.
Speaker 1: Interesting, like when and this is just my understanding, and
Speaker 1: I understand that this is the understanding as the textbooks
Speaker 1: in public school education.
Speaker 2: Have allowed, right, and a little bit of my own research.
Speaker 1: But basically, when cut from the Big Bang and cut
Speaker 1: to all of this clump of everything just kind of
Speaker 1: forming into a big ball of something and then slowly
Speaker 1: over time forming into a spherical esque type thing, skip
Speaker 1: the forming of the atmosphere, and now we have land
Speaker 1: and water on this ball.
Speaker 3: Right, Google's AI says, No, Pangaea was. It was not
Speaker 3: formed by volcanoes. It was formed by plate tectonics, but
Speaker 3: volcanic activity may have contributed to the breakup of Pangaea.
Speaker 1: So, like I was saying, all of this is pretty
Speaker 1: much gone into a ball. We have our high ridge point,
Speaker 1: and then we have everything else that's low, which is
Speaker 1: where the water collected and formed.
Speaker 2: Right. Cool, we had the oceans.
Speaker 1: We had the massive just chunk of shit that's above
Speaker 1: water on this ball that was formed when all the
Speaker 1: plates collided together to form this massive land mass. Allegedly
Speaker 1: allegedly now what caused them to split. Could be all
Speaker 1: the volcanoes blowing at the same time, could have been
Speaker 1: a meteor, could have been a combination of both. Could
Speaker 1: There's a million things as to why the plates started
Speaker 1: to split apart. But then they slowly but surely over
Speaker 1: time have split into what we have now is our
Speaker 1: land masses. That's the going theory, and we can track
Speaker 1: them moving because we can see how close I think it's.
Speaker 1: The last time I checked, it was like, is it
Speaker 1: six inches a year?
Speaker 9: Uh?
Speaker 3: I don't know, probably not even that.
Speaker 2: It's been a hot minute. I'm gonna be honest with you,
Speaker 2: but I'm the.
Speaker 3: Course of time of billions of years, possibly allegedly. I
Speaker 3: don't know how long this earth has been around, whether
Speaker 3: it be billions or millions. Maybe it's thousands, but I mean,
Speaker 3: there's no way of really knowing, I think.
Speaker 1: But the point of the whole Limeria conversation they know
Speaker 1: for sure that there is at least hard rock that
Speaker 1: at one time, especially if you think about the Ice Age,
Speaker 1: how sea levels were different because the ice was so frozen,
Speaker 1: like you know what I mean, that expands that water
Speaker 1: that would have been in the ocean is now frozen
Speaker 1: up top, so it's a whole thing. It's very possible
Speaker 1: that with lower levels and that hard rock surface being there,
Speaker 1: that that might have actually been more of a valley
Speaker 1: than an ocean, and that is.
Speaker 2: Now being more and more confirmed. So let's hear a
Speaker 2: little bit more.
Speaker 10: In our a story about Limuria was true. Almost Rather
Speaker 10: than called this discovery Limuria, geologists named the proposed lost
Speaker 10: continent Moraitia based on plate tectonics and geological data. Moraitia
Speaker 10: disappeared into the Indian Ocean about eighty four million years ago,
Speaker 10: when this region of Earth was still turning into the
Speaker 10: shape it holds today.
Speaker 2: It's been eighty four years.
Speaker 10: And while this generally lines up with what sklater had
Speaker 10: once claimed, the new evidence puts the notion of an
Speaker 10: ancient race of Limourians that evolved into lemurs to rest.
Speaker 10: Moraitia disappeared eighty four million years ago, but lemurs didn't
Speaker 10: evolve on Madagascar until about fifty four million years ago,
Speaker 10: when they swam to the island from mainland Africa, which
Speaker 10: was closer to Madagascar than it is now. Nevertheless, Sclater
Speaker 10: and some of the other scientists of the mid eighteen
Speaker 10: hundreds were partially right about Limuria despite their limited knowledge.
Speaker 10: A loss continent didn't suddenly sink into the Indians and
Speaker 10: vanish without a trace. But long ago there was something there,
Speaker 10: something that has now gone forever. Unfortunately, Limro's had little
Speaker 10: to do with anything of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Limoria being proposed first by this guy named
Speaker 1: Philip schlater, okay, and I did want to read a
Speaker 1: little bit about him, because again, he wasn't just some theorists,
Speaker 1: He was a real professional.
Speaker 2: He was a zoologist.
Speaker 3: Philip Luteley Sclater was an English lawyer and zoologist in zoology,
Speaker 3: he was an expert ornithopol ornithologist, ornithologists.
Speaker 2: That's the dudes that do monkeys.
Speaker 3: They do monkeys.
Speaker 2: Damn well, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: They're the monkey experts, or the primates, or the you know,
Speaker 1: all of those things.
Speaker 3: I imagine that there have been people who have done monkeys.
Speaker 1: Though some people say that's where AIDS came from. We
Speaker 1: know that that's an incorrect statement. We know was created.
Speaker 1: There's a patent number, there's a whole thing to it.
Speaker 1: Like people have been staying wild shit for a long time,
Speaker 1: and unfortunately beast. Reality's been a thing as long as
Speaker 1: people have been disgusting, so you know.
Speaker 3: And he was identified, or he identified the main zoo
Speaker 3: geographic regions of the world. He was the secretary of
Speaker 3: the Zoological Society of London for forty two years from
Speaker 3: eighteen sixty to nineteen oh two.
Speaker 1: Okay, so, like like I said, you boy wasn't no
Speaker 1: half stepper. But let's read a little bit about his
Speaker 1: career on once he got out there in the real world.
Speaker 3: In eighteen fifty eight, sklater published a paper in the
Speaker 3: Proceedings of the Linnaean Society setting up six zoological regions,
Speaker 3: which he called the Palearctic, the Athiopian, Indian, Australia, Australasian, Austrasian, Nearctic,
Speaker 3: and Neotropical. These zoological or zeographic regions are still in
Speaker 3: use zoo geograp these words.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because yeah, to keep in mind, he wasn't looking
Speaker 1: at the lamb masses. He's looking at the animals specifically
Speaker 1: that live in these regions, and so he wasn't looking
Speaker 1: at necessarily continental divides, because there are certain continents where
Speaker 1: the same species transists across both, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So that's why he broke it up into the paleo Arctic,
Speaker 1: which is just that whole region. We got the athy open,
Speaker 1: which I think is just the Upper European. Indian because
Speaker 1: the subcontinent of India is a thing in and of itself,
Speaker 1: the Australian because Australia and Asian kind of do connect in.
Speaker 2: Certain zoographical regions. I get this.
Speaker 3: He also developed the theory of Lemuria during eighteen sixty
Speaker 3: four to explain zoological coincidences relating Madagascar to India. In
Speaker 3: eighteen seventy four he became private secretary to his brother
Speaker 3: George sklater booth MP Military Police.
Speaker 2: Now I believe that the magistrate, basically it's like a
Speaker 2: damn it. We talked about this before. Magistrate principle.
Speaker 1: Basically he's like a judge or like a he's got
Speaker 1: legal authority over a situation.
Speaker 3: Later he was Lord Basing. He was offered a permanent
Speaker 3: position in civil service, but he declined. In eighteen seventy five,
Speaker 3: he became president of the Biological section of the British
Speaker 3: Association for Advancement of Science, which he joined in eighteen
Speaker 3: forty seven as a member. He was elected as a
Speaker 3: member of the American Philosophical Society in eighteen seventy three.
Speaker 3: Sklater was the founder and first editor of the IBBYSS.
Speaker 3: It was the journal of the British Ornithologist Union that
Speaker 3: word okay. He was the secretary of the Zoological Society
Speaker 3: of London from eighteen sixty to nineteen oh two, and
Speaker 3: he was briefly succeeded by his son before the Council
Speaker 3: of the Society made a long term appointment in nineteen
Speaker 3: oh one. He described the Okapi to Western scientists, although
Speaker 3: so he never saw one alive. His office at eleven
Speaker 3: Hanover Square became a meeting place for all naturalists in London.
Speaker 3: Travelers and residents shared notes with him, and he corresponded
Speaker 3: with thousands. His collection of the birds grew to nine thousand,
Speaker 3: and these transferred to the British Museum in eighteen eighty six.
Speaker 3: At around the same time, the museum was augmented by
Speaker 3: the collections of Gold, Salvin and Godman, Hume and others
Speaker 3: to become the largest in the world. Among Slater's more
Speaker 3: important books were Exotic Ornithology and Nomenclator AVM, both with
Speaker 3: Osbert Salvin. Okay, so it's just getting into all the
Speaker 3: works now.
Speaker 1: So essentially, this guy was a real zoologist. The things
Speaker 1: that he talked about are still referenced today, the works
Speaker 1: that he did, the categorization, all of this. Like, he
Speaker 1: wasn't a weird guy. He was a real professional and
Speaker 1: he proposed limeria as an idea, a theory to bring
Speaker 1: about certain connections to the lands. And this is how
Speaker 1: he did it, right, I'm just showing that he wasn't.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like he just got drunk one night and
Speaker 1: started talking shit, wrote some things down and came up
Speaker 1: with it.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: Well, it also said that he received an honorary science
Speaker 3: doctorate from the University of Oxford too, So he wasn't no,
Speaker 3: he wasn't no scrub.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so when he spoke and said that there's
Speaker 1: a possibility of lemeria, people listened.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: I get that.
Speaker 2: Now, let's talk about this dude, Ernest heikel Hackel. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure.
Speaker 1: Basically there was a little bit of some racial controversy
Speaker 1: over some.
Speaker 2: Of the things he said. Let's let's talk a little
Speaker 2: bit here.
Speaker 3: The German Darwin Ernest Hackel live from eighteen thirty four
Speaker 3: to nineteen nineteen was a key figure during the First
Speaker 3: Darwinian Revolution, a time when the foundations of the modern
Speaker 3: evolutionary theory were laid. It was Haeckel who crucially contributed
Speaker 3: to the visualization of the Darwinian theory by designing genealogical
Speaker 3: trees illustrating the evolution of various species, including humans. Although
Speaker 3: the idea of explaining human evolution by natural selection belongs
Speaker 3: to Darwin, Hackel was the first who attempted to create
Speaker 3: a new exact anthropology based on the Darwinian method.
Speaker 1: Okay, I mean again, it's not the best in the world,
Speaker 1: but he was trying to shoot his shot.
Speaker 3: Trying to immediately reconstruct human evolution. Proceeding from the description
Speaker 3: of modern populations led Hackel to the views, which from
Speaker 3: the contemporary perspective, are definitely racist. Hackel created racial anthropology,
Speaker 3: intending to prove human origins from a lower organism, but
Speaker 3: without the intention of establishing a discriminatory racial praxis. Although
Speaker 3: hierarchical hierarchical in its outcome, the Hekilian method did not
Speaker 3: presuppose the necessity of racial hierarchy of current living humans.
Speaker 3: It is crucial to grasp in what sense Hackel's theoretical
Speaker 3: explorer and human evolution were racist, and in what sense
Speaker 3: they were not. Our argument flows as follows. One of
Speaker 3: Hackel's pupils was the Russian ethnographer, anthropologist, and zoologist Nikolai
Speaker 3: nicol Jewitch Lucho Maclay.
Speaker 1: Home boys got four fucking Russian ass names. There's no way,
Speaker 1: There's no way. Let's just say McLay. McLay and Hackel were.
Speaker 1: They worked closely together for several years. They traveled jointly,
Speaker 1: and McLay had enough time to learn the major methodological
Speaker 1: principles of Hackel's research. Yet, in contrast to Hackel, McLay
Speaker 1: is regarded as one of the first scientific anti racists
Speaker 1: who came to anti racist views using empirical field studies
Speaker 1: in Papua New Guinea. Right, So we don't have to
Speaker 1: go more into it because it just kind of breaks
Speaker 1: down into the I mean, we really could. We could
Speaker 1: break down how this guy was such a racist asshole
Speaker 1: and all of these things. But here's right here, Well,
Speaker 1: let's just go into Hackel's racial anthropology.
Speaker 3: When Darwin introduced his theory of evolution. One of the
Speaker 3: sharpest controversies arose around the origin of man. Hackel was
Speaker 3: convinced early on that Darwinian principles are applicable to human evolution.
Speaker 3: Having only two fossil remnants at his disposal, Hackle tried
Speaker 3: to reconstruct human phylogeny, So how you say that, yeah,
Speaker 3: as ologenious, as well as global migration of ancient humans.
Speaker 3: Darwin reacted favorable to Hackel's anthropological publications. In the introduction
Speaker 3: of the Descent of Man book, he wrote, referring to
Speaker 3: Hackle's The History of Creation something written in fucking German,
Speaker 3: I'm supposing almost all the conclusions at which I arrived
Speaker 3: I find confirmed by this naturalist, whose knowledge on many
Speaker 3: points is much fuller than mine. In quotes praising his
Speaker 3: contemporaries and predecessors who shared his view that man descended
Speaker 3: from a hypothetical extinct lower form, Darwin enumerated and quotes
Speaker 3: several eminent naturalists and philosophers, but emphasized a superior role
Speaker 3: of Hackel by saying that his conclusion was maintained especially
Speaker 3: by Hackel. Darwin even admitted that if Hackel's work had
Speaker 3: appeared before his The Descent of Man book had been written.
Speaker 3: He should probably he should probably never have completed it.
Speaker 1: Right, the same Darwin that said we come from monkeys,
Speaker 1: same dude.
Speaker 3: Which, by the way, he rebuted the idea that we
Speaker 3: came from monkeys on his deathbed, supposedly right.
Speaker 1: But this is back when he was full tilt. This
Speaker 1: is back when he was like the guy everybody was
Speaker 1: talking about, Charles Darwin.
Speaker 3: Oh dude, and even so much that like, what was
Speaker 3: it the monkey on the wild thornberrys was named Darwin? Yes, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3: Hackel was occupied with oh, hold on. He was occupied
Speaker 3: with human phylogenny for forty five years, beginning with the
Speaker 3: Stettiner vortrog Or speech in the city of Stettin in
Speaker 3: eighteen sixty three, ending with the r Ancestors book in
Speaker 3: nineteen oh eight. In contrast to Darwin, who merely postulated
Speaker 3: the descent of man from an ape like Ancestor, Hackel
Speaker 3: tried to reconstruct and visualize the exact pathways of human origin.
Speaker 3: For him, it was a task of a very special mission,
Speaker 3: or of all the individual questions answered by the theory
Speaker 3: of descent, of all the special inferences drawn from it.
Speaker 3: There is none of such importance as the application of
Speaker 3: this doctrine of man himself. But these efforts made him
Speaker 3: into a highly controversial figure. Pushing forward a hypothesis that
Speaker 3: is widely accepted today that several human species coexisted on Earth.
Speaker 3: Hackel suggested that the alternative species may still exist opposed
Speaker 3: his famous and quotes phylogenetic trees to capture his idea.
Speaker 2: Okay, so you can already see where this is kind
Speaker 2: of going, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean we don't really have to read
Speaker 1: the entirety of it, but you could see that it's
Speaker 1: literally called pedigree of the twelve species of men, and
Speaker 1: this is how he broke down which ones were the
Speaker 1: ones that are still left where they all came from,
Speaker 1: and it makes them very strong. Later, later philosophers and
Speaker 1: later Third Reich leaders would use these very philosophies and
Speaker 1: thought processes and books and literature to back their claims
Speaker 1: to do heinous, heinous acts on the world.
Speaker 3: Oh, this is what he's talking about, the phylogenetic trees.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of like some kind of map that
Speaker 3: he has of like the lower level humans rising up
Speaker 3: to the top of the tree, which would be the
Speaker 3: highest level humans, which it's pretty fucked up whenever you're
Speaker 3: looking at all of like the bottom of the tree,
Speaker 3: all up to the top of the tree, you have
Speaker 3: like the Mongols that are evolving into the Chinese and
Speaker 3: the Japanese, and then those Chinese. Uh, they eventually evolve
Speaker 3: into the Siamese and the Chinese and the like. Oh wait,
Speaker 3: it's the Pudo Chinese and the Corco Japanese that eventually
Speaker 3: evolve into the Japanese and the Chinese and the Siamese
Speaker 3: of today, which eventually this.
Speaker 2: Is the German one, this is the English one, and
Speaker 2: so like.
Speaker 1: Look right here, the Madagascars and the Polynesians are of
Speaker 1: the same race allegedly according to him.
Speaker 3: And they never evolved further than what they're at, because
Speaker 3: even past that you would have the Americans on top
Speaker 3: and the end of Germanians on top as well, along
Speaker 3: with the Semites and the Caucasians. And yeah, you could
Speaker 3: see how oh and the Tartars. How about that you
Speaker 3: got the Tartars on this board too.
Speaker 2: The Tartars are what we now call the Mongolians.
Speaker 1: The maps that they looked at still refer to that
Speaker 1: area of North Asia as Tartaria. That that only became
Speaker 1: something else actually after he died. I would to say, actually,
Speaker 1: pretty much World War One wiped away Tartaria off the
Speaker 1: map because they got real particular about which countries had
Speaker 1: borders with which ones.
Speaker 3: After that, bitch, okay, you got the Hyperboreans on there too.
Speaker 3: It's pretty I mean, it'd be cool if it wasn't
Speaker 3: so fucked right.
Speaker 1: But you also see, as you're looking at this, how
Speaker 1: many other random theories and conspiracies and connections and things
Speaker 1: that we've brought up would probably be referencing this fucker's work.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you can.
Speaker 1: And that's that's just kind of how it goes. And
Speaker 1: there's a lot of literature written about this. If you
Speaker 1: want to see what's going on again patreon dot com.
Speaker 1: He had these profiles made to try to bring out
Speaker 1: certain features. He essentially was a racist, and again per
Speaker 1: the day and age, a lot of his contemporaries were
Speaker 1: as well.
Speaker 3: But again yes, maybe not even knowingly racist, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, again per that day and age, that wasn't
Speaker 1: seen as racist by people right. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: his protege was what was said to be one of
Speaker 1: the first anti racist scientists.
Speaker 3: That was wild back then, right, right, So I don't know,
Speaker 3: I mean you also got to look at like, I mean,
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to stick up for people like this
Speaker 3: because you know whatever, but like if you look at
Speaker 3: maybe they maybe they had like limited sources that they
Speaker 3: could pull from, and so a lot of it was
Speaker 3: really probably just pulling from like all right, well, you know,
Speaker 3: there are these white people who are clearly more advanced
Speaker 3: than the rest of everybody else, and maybe he was
Speaker 3: laying that as an overlay on top of the history
Speaker 3: of the world, that like maybe the white people evolved
Speaker 3: at a faster raid than anybody else, which is stupid
Speaker 3: because you can clearly see throughout the realms of history
Speaker 3: that you know, there's obviously slavery and racism and people
Speaker 3: who were held down by the by the you know,
Speaker 3: the the colonizers and whatnot. So absolutely agree in a way,
Speaker 3: you could say that if that story would be true,
Speaker 3: it would be because certain colonizers were holding down other races, right,
Speaker 3: And that's that's the bit of it, right, Like the
Speaker 3: theory of Wakonda, for instance, like as a thought experiment,
Speaker 3: if an African nation would have been left alone and
Speaker 3: had abundant resources, then they had to know how to
Speaker 3: do what they do with them.
Speaker 1: Could they have developed flying craft? Could they have developed tanks?
Speaker 1: Could they have developed all these things before European powers do.
Speaker 1: There is nothing saying that they couldn't have done that right,
Speaker 1: except for the fact that they pretty much were oppressed
Speaker 1: and hailed down by their colonizers. And that's what led
Speaker 1: to and not just in Africa. You look at any
Speaker 1: of these third world countries. I forget which philosopher I
Speaker 1: heard say this, but the world isn't bankrupt like the world.
Speaker 1: If you look at any section of the world, there
Speaker 1: is no area that is like desolate and devoid of everything.
Speaker 1: Certain areas may be good at doing things and others.
Speaker 1: And what he meant by that is certain areas might
Speaker 1: be more aggregable for farmland, certain areas might be better
Speaker 1: for mineral extraction, certain areas might be better in manpower. Yes,
Speaker 1: that is in fact a resource. When you have an
Speaker 1: extra one billion people on standby, that is a real
Speaker 1: tangible resource to make things happen. Right, if you look
Speaker 1: at the way the world is supposed to be structured,
Speaker 1: we have more than enough land to go around, food
Speaker 1: to go around, water to go around, medicine to go around.
Speaker 1: But we have an issue where we hoard all of
Speaker 1: resources for ourselves and that stems into other problems.
Speaker 3: Greed causes a lot of problems. Yeah, probably the most
Speaker 3: problems stem from greed.
Speaker 1: Absolutely, And so that's why we hear these fantastic stories
Speaker 1: of these lost lands, and we like to daydream and
Speaker 1: imagine that they were so much better than that, right,
Speaker 1: that they were technologically advanced, that they had medicinal things
Speaker 1: that we have no idea about. They have I lost information,
Speaker 1: I mean lost to us, but like for them, was
Speaker 1: information that made them so much better. But that is
Speaker 1: under the assumption that greed hadn't poisoned them way back when,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing to say that it had. There's also
Speaker 1: nothing to say that it hadn't because we don't know.
Speaker 1: And then we look at the story of Atlantis allegedly debunked.
Speaker 1: We look at the continent of Mew as far as
Speaker 1: I could tell, debunked. We look at the continent of Lumeria,
Speaker 1: and there's a kernel of truth there and there's possibility
Speaker 1: that at one point in time, all of that stone
Speaker 1: that is under the ocean was actually dry land, and
Speaker 1: that the lemurs that live on Madagascar didn't swim to
Speaker 1: the fucking mainland, they walked or swung on the trees
Speaker 1: that were growing there that connected these lands.
Speaker 3: Pretty cool, dude. I mean, it's it's almost impossible to
Speaker 3: know these things for sure because we just, like I
Speaker 3: said earlier, like we just haven't discovered enough. And that's
Speaker 3: why I find it so ridiculous that we're funding we're
Speaker 3: funding NASA so much money, millions of dollars of taxpayer
Speaker 3: dollars every single day are going to NASA to explore space.
Speaker 3: It's like, dude, how are you going to explore space
Speaker 3: something that is off planet whenever you haven't even explored
Speaker 3: what's here? You know, like, what could be so much
Speaker 3: more astounding in space that you couldn't possibly find at
Speaker 3: the bottom of an ocean somewhere. I mean, there are
Speaker 3: certain animal or certain sea creatures and stuff like that
Speaker 3: that are completely undiscovered. You go up in some of
Speaker 3: the Amazon hasn't even fully been discovered. We don't know
Speaker 3: what all remedies and herbs and animals and maybe even
Speaker 3: people that are still living in the Amazon. We don't
Speaker 3: know nearly as much as we should. I feel like
Speaker 3: we should not to say this in a harmful way.
Speaker 3: We should probably conquer this place before we start conquering
Speaker 3: the sky.
Speaker 2: You're absolutely right. I think you're absolutely right.
Speaker 1: And with that, let's talk about the lost continent that
Speaker 1: has been confirmed and is currently being studied. Jonathan, Let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about Doggerland, because this in and
Speaker 1: of itself is fascinating to me. I'm go go ahead
Speaker 1: and share the screen one on another game. I got
Speaker 1: a couple of different videos. I'm a play and I
Speaker 1: got a couple of little things we're gonna read, but
Speaker 1: this one, all right, listen, listen to any of the
Speaker 1: conspiracy heads out there. Mini minute Man shits on conspiracy
Speaker 1: theorist left, right and center. So whenever he did a
Speaker 1: video talking about a lost continent, I had to see
Speaker 1: what the fuck he had to say. And because he
Speaker 1: is an archaeologist, anthropologist, all these things, when he speaks
Speaker 1: so on it, he calls himself a science communicator. So
Speaker 1: I wanted to know from source of science, so to speak,
Speaker 1: what is the going narrative about this confirmed land mass
Speaker 1: called Doggerland.
Speaker 12: Ajured discoveries in archaeology and natural history, The locals were
Speaker 12: familiar with it for far longer than science had been,
Speaker 12: and Doggerland was no different. Those who lived on the
Speaker 12: shores of the North Sea were all too familiar with
Speaker 12: the putrid black stumps that would appear at low tide.
Speaker 12: In fact, they were so familiar with them that they
Speaker 12: actually referred to this phenomenon as Noah's Wood, a reference
Speaker 12: to the mythical deluge in the Bible, which the locals
Speaker 12: used to explain the stumps underwater.
Speaker 1: Okay, so, like he's saying, they pretty much knew that
Speaker 1: this existed. There was no question that you know, these
Speaker 1: these giant chunks of black shit were all around them
Speaker 1: at all given times.
Speaker 12: Riteena geologists by the name of Clement Reed, became one
Speaker 12: of the first scientists to actually look into the phenomenon
Speaker 12: of Noah's Wood. His book, called Submerged Forests, became one
Speaker 12: of the very first actual scientific publications theorizing that there
Speaker 12: was a sunken land mass in the North Sea. In
Speaker 12: the book, he notes that the stumps extend far out
Speaker 12: below the low tideline, and he infers from this that
Speaker 12: at one time these must have been immense forests, and
Speaker 12: that these forests must have extended far out into what
Speaker 12: is now an ocean.
Speaker 13: Now.
Speaker 12: He backs up this claim by looking at some other
Speaker 12: discoveries by the local coastal people. The local fishermen were
Speaker 12: all too familiar with finding washed up animal bones on
Speaker 12: the shores and having their hooks and lines ensnared in
Speaker 12: chunks of peat far out into the ocean.
Speaker 2: Ya, okay, so what are you thinking at this time?
Speaker 1: By the way, dogger Land is allegedly named after excuse me,
Speaker 1: after what was considered like a trawler boat, which is
Speaker 1: they call it a dogger So since they've been trawling
Speaker 1: in this area for so long, it got affectionately known
Speaker 1: as dogger Land, and then when they first wrote about it,
Speaker 1: they just kind of stuck to it. Okay, the do
Speaker 1: their trawling, are pulling up animal bones for forever that
Speaker 1: they can't even identify.
Speaker 2: And they've been doing this.
Speaker 1: Again for forever, and no one thought to dig deeper
Speaker 1: until you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: See what I'm saying, dude, Like, why are we not
Speaker 3: more interested in what's at the ocean floor? Like, oh,
Speaker 3: how could you not be more interested? Especially understanding how
Speaker 3: plate tectonics work, how volcanic activity works, that like obviously,
Speaker 3: if we're going to learn and from actual past, like
Speaker 3: that would be the best way to learn. Because if
Speaker 3: you can see that there are animal bones that are
Speaker 3: being pulled up from like animals nobody's ever heard of.
Speaker 3: There's the skeletal structure has allegedly never existed in science,
Speaker 3: Like this is far more fascinating than fucking going out
Speaker 3: into the nothingness of space, you know, if space is
Speaker 3: indeed not fake and gay.
Speaker 1: Jonathan, I am so glad you said it like that,
Speaker 1: because I agree.
Speaker 2: And when you look at all these writers.
Speaker 1: The Blovotskis and the Crowley's and all this, and they're
Speaker 1: talking about these ancient lands, these ancient ways. Dude, their
Speaker 1: land was founded upon druidic ruins next to a lost
Speaker 1: continent that none of them fucking mentioned because they were
Speaker 1: more focused on what's going on in India when they're
Speaker 1: real ancestral history was sixty feet below the surface of
Speaker 1: the water.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's wild to me, but let's continue.
Speaker 1: I want to throw shade because this land itself is
Speaker 1: wild and I cannot wait to see what they discover
Speaker 1: now that they're doing it, because I think they may
Speaker 1: realistically find some sort of ancient druidic remains. I fucking
Speaker 1: hope they do, but I'm getting ahead of myself, getting
Speaker 1: ahead of myself.
Speaker 12: Coas belonged to extinct animals, and that chunks of pete
Speaker 12: weren't just collected out to the low tideline, but far
Speaker 12: out to sea. The locals even had a name for these,
Speaker 12: referring to the chunks of pete dredged from.
Speaker 4: The seafloor as moor logs.
Speaker 12: But perhaps one of the biggest connections that Clements makes
Speaker 12: is to something called the Dogger Bank. It's an area
Speaker 12: of the North Sea about sixty miles from the nearest land,
Speaker 12: but it has a depth of only about sixty feet.
Speaker 12: This seemingly random area of shallow water was very well
Speaker 12: known by all of the local fishermen, so with all
Speaker 12: of the pieces that Clement was collecting, he created this
Speaker 12: the first ever geologic map, roughly outlining what would go
Speaker 12: on to become known as Doggerland.
Speaker 4: Knowing what we know today, it is.
Speaker 12: Really amazing looking at this map, because in nineteen thirteen,
Speaker 12: with almost no technology to actually map the seafloor, Clement
Speaker 12: managed to put together a really good map of what
Speaker 12: Doggerland would have.
Speaker 1: Been like real quick, I do want to pull that
Speaker 1: picture back up again. If you notice he is bringing
Speaker 1: in mainland England, mainland Europe, and there's rivers that currently
Speaker 1: reside today. We will discuss those in a minute. But
Speaker 1: the rivers that you can trek now that they are
Speaker 1: exploring the oceanic floor like they're doing in this area.
Speaker 1: The rivers from Europe still to this day that once
Speaker 1: flowed through Doggerland into the North Sea.
Speaker 2: You could still see the craters of them. You could
Speaker 2: still see the cuts.
Speaker 3: Dude. All right, dude, let's go this wild shit.
Speaker 12: This is because the ocean is rising or the land
Speaker 12: is lowering. Though with the information he had at the time,
Speaker 12: he speculates that this was due to the land getting lower,
Speaker 12: which we now know to be not true, and he
Speaker 12: even postulates when this subsidence ended about three thousand years ago,
Speaker 12: and he uses some pretty logical trains of reasoning, even
Speaker 12: if they are incorrect by today's standards. This paper is
Speaker 12: absolutely amazing and is available for free online and is
Speaker 12: linked with the rest of my sources in the description.
Speaker 12: If you're looking for a fun read to just kind
Speaker 12: of like flip through and look at some cool old
Speaker 12: diagrams and stuff. I recommend you check it out. In
Speaker 12: the final page of Clement's book, he says this, in
Speaker 12: this connection, it might be worthwhile systematically to dredge the
Speaker 12: Dogger bank in order to see whether any implements made
Speaker 12: by man can be found there. With his conclusion, Clemens
Speaker 12: had correctly inferred that if there was land, there must
Speaker 12: have been people. Now, unfortunately, Clements would die just three
Speaker 12: years after the publication of this book in the year
Speaker 12: nineteen sixteen, and he would never know that his hypothesized
Speaker 12: lost land would.
Speaker 4: Go on to be proven true.
Speaker 12: I mere fifteen years after Clemens's death, would is widely
Speaker 12: regarded as the first artifact from Doggerland was recovered.
Speaker 4: The artifact, of course, was none.
Speaker 12: Other than a six inch long bone harpoon dredged from
Speaker 12: the troller Colinda.
Speaker 1: Okay, what is your thoughts before we do anything else, sir?
Speaker 3: That's supposed to be a bone right there.
Speaker 1: That is a six inch long bone. It's carved bone harpoon.
Speaker 3: Because it kind of looks like copper almost, doesn't it.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean it was found in the peat. You
Speaker 2: gotta keep mind.
Speaker 1: These trowlers drugged this up and it was I mean
Speaker 1: it's we'll discuss why it's actually a red antler, red
Speaker 1: stag antler, so that might also be why it's a
Speaker 1: little bit of reddish tint. But it was submerged in
Speaker 1: mud and pete for thousands of years and then was
Speaker 1: dredged up by a fishing boat on accident.
Speaker 3: That is freaking awesome. So it's said to be like
Speaker 3: a possible an antler from some kind of deer, but
Speaker 3: it was carved into seemingly by ancient people.
Speaker 1: We are going to talk more about the harpoon and
Speaker 1: a bit, I promise you. However, at this time, let's
Speaker 1: go ahead and read a little bit of some histories
Speaker 1: or historic mysteries, if you will, Doggerland and the Lost
Speaker 1: Kingdom of the British Isles. Because this goes oh as
Speaker 1: you're talking abut Kung Fu Panda, that commercial popped up
Speaker 1: on screen they are currently listening cult members.
Speaker 2: Anyway. Anyway, let's go ahead.
Speaker 1: And read what the historical narrative is at this time
Speaker 1: of Doggerland.
Speaker 3: Beneath the waves of the North Sea lies a long
Speaker 3: forgotten kingdom known as Doggerland. It is a submerged land
Speaker 3: that once connected what is now Great Britain and to
Speaker 3: mainland Europe. This mesolithic landscape, lost to the depths of time,
Speaker 3: offers a unique window into a prehistoric world. Hidden under
Speaker 3: the waves is a rich history that predates the separation
Speaker 3: of the British Isles from the European mainland, revealing a
Speaker 3: civilization that thrived in an era long before recorded history.
Speaker 3: In recent years, excitement around Doggerland has peaked, and as
Speaker 3: the discoveries pile up, its history feels more relevant to
Speaker 3: a situation today than ever before.
Speaker 1: I will say that you're going to hear a lot
Speaker 1: of global warming references because sea levels rising. It's a
Speaker 1: part of it, dude, when we're talking about this land
Speaker 1: that has been washed under the ocean. But then if
Speaker 1: you look at it, it's not like it broke away.
Speaker 1: The sea levels rose and it swallowed it. That being
Speaker 1: discovered as of now also leads a lot of credence
Speaker 1: to these people that are saying that humans are causing
Speaker 1: the Earth's temperature to rise. I do not understand how
Speaker 1: they see it that way. Apparently this land was lost
Speaker 1: over ten thousand years ago, and somehow human industry is
Speaker 1: making this a thing today. I don't see the connection
Speaker 1: but that is something that I should preface this.
Speaker 2: We're gonna hear a little.
Speaker 3: Bit about dude. Cars have been around for like one
Speaker 3: hundred years.
Speaker 1: We have been Humans have been involved in heavy industry
Speaker 1: quote unquote for about two hundred years. I'll give you
Speaker 1: two fifty, all right, that you're telling me that we
Speaker 1: have done so much irreputable damage in two hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty years that apparently ten thousand years ago alleged dudes
Speaker 1: with harpoons made of bones were facing That's what we're
Speaker 1: saying right now.
Speaker 3: But okay, it's so ridiculous. It's so ridiculous because if
Speaker 3: you actually I know, I get a little woo woo
Speaker 3: on here, but if you actually look at the Earth
Speaker 3: as a living, breathing being and compared to an animal,
Speaker 3: a human or whatever, that would be like that would
Speaker 3: be like saying, all right, so, if human pollution is
Speaker 3: what's causing global warming, and that's what's causing it to
Speaker 3: have these crazy cycles of hot and cold and waves
Speaker 3: going up and waves going down, and things starting to
Speaker 3: freeze and things starting to unthaw because they can't decide
Speaker 3: whether it's global warming or global cooling. It would be
Speaker 3: in the same retrospect as saying, well, when Jacob, whenever
Speaker 3: you're emotional, because you know the human mind and the body,
Speaker 3: it has its ups and downs. We have high emotions,
Speaker 3: low emotions. Maybe we get a little depressed or anxious,
Speaker 3: or maybe we experience some kind of happiness or joy
Speaker 3: or whatever. There's just the range of the human emotion.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: But if that's like saying, well, because we drilled for oil, Jacob,
Speaker 3: the reason why you're in such a depressive state is
Speaker 3: because we did it to ourselves by drilling for oil
Speaker 3: and the gas the cars that are driving down the road.
Speaker 3: It's your fault as to why you're feeling depressed. But
Speaker 3: it's not necessarily only your fault. It's all of humanity's fault, right,
Speaker 3: because we have to just look down on our at
Speaker 3: all times, because equally fucking ridiculous, I think, absolutely all.
Speaker 1: Right, So now let's read a little bit more about
Speaker 1: Britain's Mesolithic Atlantis.
Speaker 3: During the Mesolithic period around ten thousand to six thousand
Speaker 3: years ago, Doggerland was a sprawling expanse that linked modern
Speaker 3: day Great Britain to mainland Europe. This submerged kingdom extended
Speaker 3: across what is now the north Sea and was a
Speaker 3: biodiverse lowland believed to have been inhabited by a Mesolithic population.
Speaker 3: It was made up of river river valley's estuaries and
Speaker 3: lush rolling landscapes, and from what we can tell, it
Speaker 3: was a veritable Garden of Eden.
Speaker 2: I mean, look at these maps, suit.
Speaker 3: Okay, shit, So Doggerland and Dogger Bank, the British Isles
Speaker 3: and maritime area of sunken Doggerland. So the yellow would
Speaker 3: be the Viking Bank and the orange would be the
Speaker 3: dogger Bank.
Speaker 1: Shoal Well, I mean you could see here how like
Speaker 1: the plate tech tonics of it all. And you see
Speaker 1: how the northern part of the UK and this right
Speaker 1: here the southern part of Norway, how they connect and
Speaker 1: you see these things right? Sure, I said, I said Norway.
Speaker 1: I mean shit, hold on, is that the Netherlands or Norway?
Speaker 1: Because I said something else earlier.
Speaker 3: Scandinavia.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean yeah, that would be the the island mass, yeah, Scandinavia,
Speaker 1: Viking people, and you see how they are pretty much
Speaker 1: on a straight line latitudinally to each other.
Speaker 2: Correct.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good that we bring that up now, because it's
Speaker 1: going to play in here in a little bit with
Speaker 1: more confirmation of how not only did this land confirmed exist,
Speaker 1: but they were way more intelligent than what we realized.
Speaker 3: So they weren't savages, is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Not from what I can tell. As a matter of fact,
Speaker 1: they were so intelligent that they knew what coastal erosion
Speaker 1: was and we're doing things to prevent.
Speaker 3: It, okay. Situated in what is now the North Sea Basin,
Speaker 3: Doggerland was a land bridge created by lower sea levels
Speaker 3: resulting from the Last Ice Age. The presence of ancient
Speaker 3: river valleys beneath the sea attest to the regions once
Speaker 3: vibrant ecosystems, and the likely presence of human settlements is
Speaker 3: It is this human presence that is so exciting. It's
Speaker 3: believed Doggerland was home to nomadic hunter gatherers who migrated
Speaker 3: as the seasons changed, fishing, hunting, and foraging Doggerland's lush
Speaker 3: landscape for goods like nuts and berries. While Doggerland may
Speaker 3: be deep beneath the waves, today it is a treasure
Speaker 3: trove of Mesolithic artifacts. The Lost World, or this Lost World,
Speaker 3: may have much to teach us about Britain's earliest settlers
Speaker 3: and their swap from the hunter gatherer lifestyle to an
Speaker 3: agricultural one.
Speaker 1: So you know, yeah, we'll read that part and then
Speaker 1: we'll watch Lavidia.
Speaker 3: So does such a huge land mass disappear? Or so,
Speaker 3: how does such a land mass huge land mass disappear
Speaker 3: never to be seen again. Well, perhaps a warning of
Speaker 3: things to come. We have global warming to thank for
Speaker 3: Doggerland's disappearance. Temperatures warmed up and ice melted at the
Speaker 3: end of the last glacial period. Vast amounts of water
Speaker 3: were released, causing a rise in sea levels. At the
Speaker 3: same time, the land itself began to tilt as the
Speaker 3: massive weight of all that ice relaxed, in what is
Speaker 3: called an isostatic adjustment, almost like a teeter totter. As
Speaker 3: the once ice laden land rose, Doggerland sank even further
Speaker 3: into the rising sea levels. Around By around sixty five
Speaker 3: hundred BC, Doggerland had sunk to the point that the
Speaker 3: British Peninsula was completely cut off from the European mainland
Speaker 3: and Britain became an island. All that was left of
Speaker 3: Doggerland was an upland area called Dogger Bank, which remained
Speaker 3: in island until roughly five thousand BC. So hold on
Speaker 3: let me gather this. If what they're trying to lay
Speaker 3: down here.
Speaker 2: They're saying because these dates are quite interesting.
Speaker 1: As we just talked about Plato with his story about
Speaker 1: some lost lands so many thousands of years prior to him.
Speaker 3: Go ahead, So if Doggerland sunk sixty five hundred BC,
Speaker 3: which would be what like fucking eighty five hundred years ago.
Speaker 1: Allegedly right around the time the Pyramids are being built,
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 3: Okay, So if it's sunk around eighty five hundred years ago,
Speaker 3: what the hell does human cause global warming have to
Speaker 3: do with this?
Speaker 2: See, That's what I'm saying. They keep trying to bring
Speaker 2: it in.
Speaker 1: It's like, this is the melting of the last ice
Speaker 1: age that led to this.
Speaker 2: Water rise and bah bah bab.
Speaker 1: But global warming It's like, wait, bro, what can can you?
Speaker 1: Can you talk about the the find without starting to
Speaker 1: bring in some sort of a hot button issue.
Speaker 3: For today that that just reminds me of Remember remember
Speaker 3: what was it, uh, the hurricane that we were experiencing
Speaker 3: back in like twenty twenty and Biden's like, well, the
Speaker 3: main thing that you can do to prepare for this
Speaker 3: hurricane is to go get your your COVID vacs. Yes,
Speaker 3: that's oh my god, what the fuck are you talking about?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, before this hurricane hits, we want to
Speaker 1: make sure everybody gets their vaccines so they're ready for
Speaker 1: you know, in case you lose power and whatnot.
Speaker 2: Bro, what what are.
Speaker 3: You talking about? Is that going to keep me afloat?
Speaker 3: Does this vaccine has does it? Is there helium pumped
Speaker 3: into it? That's going to allow me to just float
Speaker 3: to the top of the water so that I can survive?
Speaker 3: What are we talking about?
Speaker 1: We want to make sure that before this hurricane hits,
Speaker 1: you go get you fill up your gas tanks, right,
Speaker 1: because we know the gas pumps are gonna be out
Speaker 1: for a while. And if you can't get gasy car,
Speaker 1: how will you drive yourself to the clinic to go
Speaker 1: get your free COVID vacs?
Speaker 2: How can you do that? You need to make sure
Speaker 2: you get your gas.
Speaker 1: And it's like, Bro, you could have stopped at a
Speaker 1: certain point in that sentence and it would have been fine.
Speaker 1: Why did you have to shove that one in our
Speaker 1: faces again?
Speaker 2: So global warming is the new one.
Speaker 1: Everything that I can find about anything mew Lameria, all
Speaker 1: of these things had to do. I didn't play all
Speaker 1: of those, and I didn't let us read those, but
Speaker 1: I'm telling you now, I found so much global warming
Speaker 1: bullshit surrounding two continents that science doesn't even believe existed.
Speaker 1: But we need to talk about global warming while we're
Speaker 1: at it.
Speaker 2: Like, bro, what dude?
Speaker 3: Science just has a fucking raging hard on for global
Speaker 3: warming for some reason, because it's the only thing that
Speaker 3: explains away everything.
Speaker 2: It gives them funding.
Speaker 1: If they can claim that whatever research they're digging into
Speaker 1: may be connected to a case against global warming or
Speaker 1: for global warming research in favor of whatever, they are
Speaker 1: more likely to get funding.
Speaker 3: You gotta get that cheese. This is why, this is
Speaker 3: why it's This is a very clear opportunity to take
Speaker 3: and say you don't always trust the science. Don't always
Speaker 3: trust it because it's backed by big dollars who are
Speaker 3: trying to to to push other things like it's always
Speaker 3: science for a reason. Like ye, that's that's not how
Speaker 3: you should look at science. Science is not something that's
Speaker 3: set stone. It's so so stupid to just go on
Speaker 3: accepting things because other people are being paid to push
Speaker 3: you and propagandize you and hypnotize you into believing this malarkey.
Speaker 1: But then they get to a point where they can't
Speaker 1: refute it and they have to acknowledge it. Lost continents,
Speaker 1: Oh my bad, we just discovered a fucking massive one
Speaker 1: right next to England. All of you enlightened colonialist motherfuckers,
Speaker 1: y'all are so worried about going and taking everyone else's
Speaker 1: shit that you missed the treasure trove literally outside of
Speaker 1: your shore. But okay, lost continents, lost knowledge, Yeah, I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: I couldn't hear you over the sound of your own
Speaker 1: fucking discovery. What So with that in mind, let's do
Speaker 1: a little Let's watch this little jim. I actually think
Speaker 1: it's pretty well put.
Speaker 2: Together, y'are.
Speaker 11: Today. It's densely populated, accommodating a population of more than
Speaker 11: seven undred and forty three million. With so many people
Speaker 11: on Earth's second smallest continent, nearly every square kilometer of
Speaker 11: land must be put to good use, with no exceptions.
Speaker 11: But what if I told you there was a massive
Speaker 11: peace missing from it? You'd probably say, we have satellites,
Speaker 11: so there's no way we could have missed that. But
Speaker 11: it's true, And no, I'm not talking about some little
Speaker 11: island somewhere I'm talking about a land mass roughly the
Speaker 11: size of Great Britain, which was once as densely populated
Speaker 11: as the rest of Europe, but that's now completely missing
Speaker 11: from the map. Here's a picture of modern day Europe,
Speaker 11: and here's what it looked like roughly eight thousand years ago,
Speaker 11: minus the glaciers. You might notice the most change happens
Speaker 11: right here in the North Sea. Here it is again
Speaker 11: today and eight thousand years ago. Here's a closer map
Speaker 11: with modern day borders drawna so you can really see
Speaker 11: the difference.
Speaker 1: I will mention this as well, if you look at
Speaker 1: how the story of the lock Mass monster came into being, right,
Speaker 1: how did a dinosaur get trapped in this lake? The
Speaker 1: theory is that once upon a time that was connected
Speaker 1: to the ocean, and then when the waters are seated,
Speaker 1: it kind of was stuck there, and that's the legend
Speaker 1: behind it. But yes, this bit of science is also
Speaker 1: where other myths and legends and lore have spawned from.
Speaker 3: Okay, you can see where they pull it from.
Speaker 2: Then, no doubt.
Speaker 11: You can see this area that was once from the
Speaker 11: North Sea is now almost entirely land. This is called Doggerland,
Speaker 11: and all evidence indicates that it was once a fertile,
Speaker 11: unpopulated lowland region. In fact, it has been predicted that
Speaker 11: doggo Land might have been the richest hunting area in
Speaker 11: all of Europe during the Mesolithic period and could have
Speaker 11: attracted huge numbers of people to it. Many prehistoric tools, weapons,
Speaker 11: and even man made structures have been discovered in the
Speaker 11: lands beneath the water. Fishermen here have even discovered prehistoric
Speaker 11: skeletons of mamoths, rhinoceros and lions. Studying the contours of
Speaker 11: the ocean floor here also revealed many lake beds and
Speaker 11: river valleys. In fact, roughly ten thousand miles of river
Speaker 11: channels have been revealed through the use of seismic surveys.
Speaker 11: It was even found that several important rivers in Europe today,
Speaker 11: including the Thames, Rine, Zeene, Muse and Shelt, once all
Speaker 11: joined together to form a single impressive river which ran
Speaker 11: through where the English Channel is today. Okay, so by
Speaker 11: now you must be asking what happened to Doggerland, as
Speaker 11: many of you might have guessed caused Number one of
Speaker 11: the disappearance of Doggoland was glacial melt as the Last
Speaker 11: Ice Age came to a close glaciers receded and all
Speaker 11: that water had to go somewhere, and sea levels rose
Speaker 11: by an estimated one hundred and twenty meters as a result,
Speaker 11: But this wasn't enough to fully submerge dogger Land, and
Speaker 11: actually a fair amount of land still remained after the
Speaker 11: sea levels rose to where they are today. The second
Speaker 11: cause is a process known as isostatic rebounding, which is
Speaker 11: exactly what it sounds like. Well what does it sound like,
Speaker 11: you might ask? In short, during the ice ages, the
Speaker 11: glaciers to the north of Doggerland weighed so much on
Speaker 11: the crust they actually pushed the crust down into the
Speaker 11: mantle and hoisted the surrounding areas further up like a
Speaker 11: sea saw, but on a massive scale. Once this ice
Speaker 11: started melting, this process began to reverse, and the elevation
Speaker 11: of all of dogger Land actually decreased, while the elevation
Speaker 11: of the area that had previously been under ice increased.
Speaker 11: Until everything was back to normal, even greater portions of
Speaker 11: Doggerland were lost as this process took its toll on
Speaker 11: the land. This process of isostatic rebounding is still happening today,
Speaker 11: mostly in Canada, Norway and Antarctica even thousands of years
Speaker 11: after the ice ages ended and will likely continue for
Speaker 11: a few thousand more years. But even after all this
Speaker 11: had occurred, an island approximately the size of Denmark remained
Speaker 11: in the North Sea. And this is what's now called
Speaker 11: Dogger Bank, a very shallow portion of the North Sea,
Speaker 11: and is where Doggoland got its name from. But that's
Speaker 11: no longer there either. So what happened to dog Or Bank?
Speaker 11: This is where it starts getting speculative. Cause three, well,
Speaker 11: it's more of a recent hypothesis. It suggested that the
Speaker 11: final event which caused the total submersion of Doggoland was
Speaker 11: a mega tsunami, and yes, that's the technical term for it.
Speaker 11: You see, just a couple thousand miles away off the
Speaker 11: coast of Norway around sixty two hundred PCE, there was
Speaker 11: a series of three massive underwater landslides collectively called the
Speaker 11: Stregus Land, most likely caused by an earthquake nearby. This
Speaker 11: event created one of the largest tsunamis known to man,
Speaker 11: and sediments from this tsunami have been found all over
Speaker 11: the North Atlantic region. Fossils found in the sediment later
Speaker 11: created by this event roughly matched the time that doga
Speaker 11: land became inundated with water. This is also thought to
Speaker 11: have been the event which separated Great Britain from continental
Speaker 11: Europe for good. But if it weren't for that random disaster,
Speaker 11: Europe could have possibly been home to another small region,
Speaker 11: or even a whole country. Now, if you're thinking this
Speaker 11: all sounds like the setup for a real world Atlantis,
Speaker 11: You're not alone. It has been speculated that this land
Speaker 11: could have been the origin for such an idea. However,
Speaker 11: for the most part, the influx of water would have
Speaker 11: been gradual to the people living there and would have
Speaker 11: given them plenty of time to escape to the surrounding regions.
Speaker 11: This also may explain why northwestern Europe was more densely
Speaker 11: populated than it should have been at this time, well
Speaker 11: except for those people who might have stuck it out
Speaker 11: to the end, because I'll remind you there was a
Speaker 11: megasunami that washed away significant portions of land. What I'm
Speaker 11: saying is, if you had to ask me where I
Speaker 11: thought the sunken city of Atlantis might be, I'd probably
Speaker 11: say somewhere on Daggar Bank in the North Sea. So
Speaker 11: the next thing you might be asking is what Doggerland
Speaker 11: would be like today if it still existed, and well,
Speaker 11: first off, it probably wouldn't be called Doggerland, as it
Speaker 11: only got that name from Dogger Bank, which got its
Speaker 11: name from the old Dutch word for fishing boat, dogger,
Speaker 11: which I'm probably mispronouncing dogger, dogger dozer, and I thought
Speaker 11: there'd be much cod fishing there if it was still land.
Speaker 11: Trying to guess much more about the modern dogger Land
Speaker 11: is difficult, but I'll try anyway. I'm also going to
Speaker 11: keep calling it dogger Land, even though I just pointed
Speaker 11: out that's not what it would be called. Probably, I'm
Speaker 11: just trying to keep things simple, Okay. So first, Doggerland
Speaker 11: would most likely be a very wealthy nation, as it
Speaker 11: lies over substantial oil and natural gas reserves that make
Speaker 11: surrounding countries billions of dollars annually. Ironically, however, Doggerland would
Speaker 11: likely also be a huge proponent of green and renewable
Speaker 11: energy due to its low lying geography and vulnerability to
Speaker 11: widespread flooding. Doggerland was also, as I mentioned before, predicted
Speaker 11: to be a fertile land with many rivers, and would
Speaker 11: most likely have served an intense egg cultural purpose the
Speaker 11: spot where several major European rivers met and float into
Speaker 11: the ocean would have likely been an extremely strategic spot
Speaker 11: and likely would have become the home to a massive
Speaker 11: harbor and highly populated city. If Doggerland was a country
Speaker 11: of its own instead of belonging to one of the
Speaker 11: existing European nations, it would probably be a powerful nation
Speaker 11: comparable to the UK or Germany. But other than that,
Speaker 11: it's impossible to guess how this country would have impacted
Speaker 11: the history of Europe and the world as a whole.
Speaker 11: Doggerland should remind us of the potential impacts of a
Speaker 11: changing climate and the dangers many of us will face
Speaker 11: as the sami.
Speaker 1: He goes into the jargon, you can already hear him
Speaker 1: getting revved up for it. So, like he said, there
Speaker 1: was a theory that a tsunami hit Doggerland and wipe
Speaker 1: the rest of it out. Now again, the ice age
Speaker 1: ending the glaciers melting, I understand, is a static rebound.
Speaker 1: I also get that too, right, the actual amount of
Speaker 1: the massive tons of ice shifting and the massive tons
Speaker 1: of the plate tectonics shifting, there'd be a little and
Speaker 1: take on that to find some equilibrium I could understand
Speaker 1: this thought process. Okay, then they're saying that they have
Speaker 1: found sediments from the stegaslide or whatever all over the
Speaker 1: north sea, a tsunami wiping it away.
Speaker 2: Now I'm not saying.
Speaker 1: That I believe that Atlantis is Doggerland, but that also
Speaker 1: lines up to a couple of stories. Does it not
Speaker 1: a very fertile, prosperous nation who was just set up
Speaker 1: just among themselves, just being a hub if you will,
Speaker 1: getting washed away under the ocean because of name or
Speaker 1: reason doesn't matter. Thousands and thousands and thousands of years
Speaker 1: before the first mention of something like that ever being
Speaker 1: heard of by a nine year old boy and then
Speaker 1: written about before his death.
Speaker 3: Sure, sure, I mean it. It possibly could check out.
Speaker 3: Just because it's a sunken city doesn't necessarily mean it's
Speaker 3: Atlantis Orburia or Mew or any of these things. But
Speaker 3: I mean, given the limited about, limited resource, and limited
Speaker 3: amount of knowledge that we have on what the hell
Speaker 3: is at the bottom of the ocean floor, you could
Speaker 3: it would suffice to say that you could postulate that
Speaker 3: this has the percentage of a chance of possibly being Atlantis.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree, I would agree, and again, your
Speaker 1: boy Clement Reid, who first made this conversation a thing.
Speaker 2: Let's keep in mind that he was not a half
Speaker 2: stepper either.
Speaker 1: Okay, he was an understood geologist and paleo bi botanist
Speaker 1: paleo botanist, so basically he knew botanist paleobotanists.
Speaker 2: Jesus, I don't know why I try to make that
Speaker 2: sound more English. Well, I mean he's from lanist a
Speaker 2: paleobotanist botanist. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know which one sounds more posh, but either way,
Speaker 1: so your boy here was a solid guy.
Speaker 2: Let's read about him.
Speaker 3: Reid was born in London in eighteen fifty three. His
Speaker 3: great uncle was Michael Faraday. His family circumstances meant he
Speaker 3: was largely self but he was nonetheless able to join
Speaker 3: the Geological Survey of Great Britain in eighteen seventy four
Speaker 3: and be employed in drawing up geological maps in various
Speaker 3: parts of the country. In eighteen ninety four he was
Speaker 3: appointed geologist, and in nineteen oh one district geologists when
Speaker 3: and then he retired in nineteen thirteen. He was particularly
Speaker 3: concerned with the tertiary geological depolits, deposits and their paleontology,
Speaker 3: and his most renowned for the work he did on
Speaker 3: Quaternary and Mary Kuwait Mary quaternary and Pliocene deposits along
Speaker 3: with his wife Eleanor and Norfolk. He was awarded the
Speaker 3: Muritian Fund in eighteen eighty six, won the Bigsby Medal
Speaker 3: in eighteen ninety seven, was elected the Fellow of the
Speaker 3: Geological Society in eighteen seventy five, and was the vice
Speaker 3: president of the Geological Society of London from nineteen thirteen
Speaker 3: to nineteen fourteen. And he was elected a Fellow of
Speaker 3: the Linnaean Society in eighteen eighty eight. That's another mention
Speaker 3: of that Lennadian society.
Speaker 1: It is, indeed, sir, which is why when this was
Speaker 1: proposed a lot of people were listening.
Speaker 2: A lot of theories are going out at this time.
Speaker 1: And like he was also elected a Fellow of the
Speaker 1: Royal Society. And we I mean, we could read his
Speaker 1: whole citation, but there's no real need for any of that.
Speaker 1: But that's pretty much all the mention of this now
Speaker 1: thing called Doggerland. Let's go ahead and let's go ahead
Speaker 1: and read that. Because his wiki page is one scroll long.
Speaker 3: It says from eighteen ninety nine to nineteen oh nine,
Speaker 3: read undertook the analysis of archaeo botanical remains of the
Speaker 3: Roman town of Silchester. In nineteen thirteen he published his
Speaker 3: book called Submerged Forest, Oh that sounds awesome, in which
Speaker 3: he postulated a drowned land bridge between eastern England and
Speaker 3: European Mainland. His conceptual map of what is now called
Speaker 3: Doggerland turned out to be remarkably close to the current
Speaker 3: known reality. Then he died in Milford on Seed, Hampshire, Hampshire. Yeah,
Speaker 3: in nineteen sixteen, and YadA YadA, okay.
Speaker 2: Married and all these things. But my point is he
Speaker 2: was not a half stepper. He was not a kook.
Speaker 2: He was not a quack.
Speaker 1: He was not an author who wrote books just for
Speaker 1: the sake of selling things.
Speaker 2: Right. This was not this guy.
Speaker 1: He was a professional and he was set about to
Speaker 1: do certain studies which led him to the first proposed
Speaker 1: idea of Doggerland. We now have discovered because of this
Speaker 1: bone harpoon, which now we will discuss like it's all real.
Speaker 1: There really is a lost continent, there really was a
Speaker 1: lost man land mass. Humans really lived here. They had settlements,
Speaker 1: they had buildings. They thought that they were neolithic. But
Speaker 1: we are still discovering more things as time goes on.
Speaker 1: And the crazy thing about it is because of the
Speaker 1: peat it's all been preserved almost perfectly. It's insane.
Speaker 3: Bro, I gotta say, this guy is giving off really
Speaker 3: nineteen nineties fanny pack gay vibes whenever he's holding up
Speaker 3: his cat in his video. It's like, of course you
Speaker 3: believe in fucking global warming, you puss.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say that about him, like I like his
Speaker 1: content because a lot of it is scientific and historic based.
Speaker 1: He did do a three part series where he's shit
Speaker 1: all over Philip Zeba, who is the dude from TikTok
Speaker 1: who's like the dude's talking about Google debunkers all the time,
Speaker 1: and he brings up these quick clips where he doesn't
Speaker 1: really do much research. He and Milo have a current
Speaker 1: standing feud going on and they're currently waiting on a
Speaker 1: response from the other.
Speaker 2: It's actually pretty ertaining to one.
Speaker 3: You know what, I actually retract my statement because I
Speaker 3: believe he's a gay man. He kind of gives off
Speaker 3: the gay vibes.
Speaker 2: I'm not one hundred percent It makes sense if he
Speaker 2: was in a judgmental way.
Speaker 1: But I actually watch his content, so like I'm I
Speaker 1: will say that it wouldn't shock me if he was gay,
Speaker 1: but that also plays no part in my thought on
Speaker 1: his historical breakdown of court.
Speaker 3: No, no, I'm just making fun.
Speaker 2: But that's to your point, Yeah, privately see it?
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So let's see he's got to say
Speaker 1: about this harpoon.
Speaker 4: That was recovered from the Kolinda.
Speaker 12: Is widely regarded as the first artifact to actually be
Speaker 12: discovered in Doggerland.
Speaker 4: Because the entire thing is.
Speaker 12: Underwater, it's kind of hard to recover artifacts from it,
Speaker 12: be that as it made. This was a pivotal discovery
Speaker 12: in driving science to learn more about Doggerland. The fishermen
Speaker 12: who discovered it brought it to the British Museum. Some
Speaker 12: could even argue that it is one of the few
Speaker 12: artifacts that actually rightfully belongs in the British Museum. The
Speaker 12: archaeologist who analyzed this artifact found that it was not
Speaker 12: made of bone but the antler of a red deer,
Speaker 12: and they initially dated the artifact to the Mesolithic period
Speaker 12: about five.
Speaker 1: You see that, So that's the red deer that you've
Speaker 1: seen on a lot of imagery of England and Royalty
Speaker 1: and all these things. That harpoon was carved from the
Speaker 1: antler of a red stag.
Speaker 3: It's pretty badass. What is a harpoon anyway?
Speaker 2: Like a spear but for more like fishing?
Speaker 3: Okay, fishing spear or I guess.
Speaker 1: Like if you want to get technical, it's a specific
Speaker 1: type of like gang. I mean, you can harpoon for frogs,
Speaker 1: but I guess the other No, that's more of a gig. Yeah,
Speaker 1: harpoon is I was assumed shrectly for fishing.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, pretty cool.
Speaker 12: Up to fifteen thousand years ago, the archaeologists were really
Speaker 12: confused by this discovery. After all, this harpoon had been
Speaker 12: found about fifty miles off the Norfolk coast at a
Speaker 12: depth of what was it, one hundred and twenty feet? Okay,
Speaker 12: you can go back, schminky. I just wanted to hold
Speaker 12: you for a minute. You're very sweet, Yeah, yere, you
Speaker 12: go be small.
Speaker 2: To your point, I could see.
Speaker 3: It, dude, you name your catch schmenky. Come on.
Speaker 1: I don't know if that was sarcastically done, but again,
Speaker 1: to your point, I could see it.
Speaker 3: He's rocking the mustache too, which just gotta say it's
Speaker 3: given off those vibes. Nothing wrong with that.
Speaker 1: He's done a goats ea before and all of that.
Speaker 1: But he's still got that baby face going on. He
Speaker 1: can't grow a beard yet. He's growing up. He's a
Speaker 1: growing lad.
Speaker 3: Good for him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Anyway, this time it wasn't believed that Mesolithic people would
Speaker 12: make it far out to sea.
Speaker 4: Instead, most of.
Speaker 12: The interaction between Mesolithic hunter gatherers and the ocean would
Speaker 12: have been sticking along the coastlines. To learn more about this,
Speaker 12: an expedition was sent to where the harpoon had been discovered.
Speaker 12: Just a year after the discovery, in nineteen thirty two,
Speaker 12: more samples were dredged up from the same site. What
Speaker 12: they found was, as you won't be surprised, a bunch
Speaker 12: of peat. Now, the people of the British Isles would
Speaker 12: have been very, very familiar with pete. It is a dense, black,
Speaker 12: carbon rich material that is made as plant matter dies
Speaker 12: and is deposited in a wet environment.
Speaker 4: And just stacks up year after year.
Speaker 12: It is where bog bodies come from, and it was
Speaker 12: used to heat a lot of the homes in the
Speaker 12: British isles because they cut down all their trees. Skill issue,
Speaker 12: rapanui moment, cutting down all your trees. The weird thing
Speaker 12: about the peat that was discovered near the Kolinda harpoon
Speaker 12: site was that it showed evidence of being formed in
Speaker 12: fresh water. After thorough research, the scientists were able to
Speaker 12: conclude that the water above the peat now was a
Speaker 12: salty ocean, which is a little odd, but this did
Speaker 12: explain something about the harpoon. It means that it was
Speaker 12: likely not lost at sea, but lost on land or
Speaker 12: at least in near land.
Speaker 4: Okay, look, you know what I'm talking about here, come on.
Speaker 12: But this added a surge of interest into the theorized
Speaker 12: land mass beneath the North Sea, and it led to
Speaker 12: a flurry of research over the next one hundred years
Speaker 12: aimed at proving doggerland.
Speaker 2: Okay, so real quick, what are your thoughts at this time?
Speaker 3: It's pretty interesting. I'm just I don't know, like I
Speaker 3: think that I want to believe it so much that
Speaker 3: there are lost lands, you know, like.
Speaker 1: I love those movies like this absolutely proves that there are, dude.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah yeah. But as far as advanced civilization kind
Speaker 3: of lost land, that's I mean, not to say that
Speaker 3: that that isn't possible, but like, just because you find
Speaker 3: a fucking fishing spearit doesn't necessarily mean that we're talking
Speaker 3: about advanced technology.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, not necessarily. But that led to people
Speaker 1: starting to dredge. That led to people starting to look
Speaker 1: under the water because nobody had thought to look there
Speaker 1: this entire time. This one guy, this geologist, had said
Speaker 1: that there was probably a lambridge that connected things. People
Speaker 1: didn't really look into it. Finally they find a it
Speaker 1: could have been any artifact. They had already pulled up
Speaker 1: animal bones that they couldn't identify before, and nobody gave
Speaker 1: a fuck.
Speaker 2: But now they pulled.
Speaker 1: Up a harpoon speared point that predates you say, twelve
Speaker 1: thousand BC.
Speaker 2: Yes, now you have people's attention, bro.
Speaker 1: And again they thought maybe it was lost at sea, right,
Speaker 1: maybe it was a dew was fishing in a boat,
Speaker 1: spearfishing for whatever, and he lost his harpoon. But they
Speaker 1: found that it was created in fresh water, meaning that
Speaker 1: it wasn't lost at sea. It was lost on dry land.
Speaker 1: It was formed in a river bed, which meant that
Speaker 1: they were standing in what was once land where they
Speaker 1: never actually thought there was before except for that one guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that is pretty awesome. I guess whenever you
Speaker 3: start talking about thousands and thousands of years ago, it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: how do you know something could be twelve thousand years old?
Speaker 3: I know, they bring up like carbon d and shit
Speaker 3: like that. That's how they're dating a lot of this stuff.
Speaker 3: But in my opinion, it's like that carbon dating, it's
Speaker 3: it's not always right. It's more of a guesstimate sometimes,
Speaker 3: like it could be so far off, it could be
Speaker 3: thousands of years off. We could be looking at something,
Speaker 3: you know, that is allegedly, according to the carbon dating,
Speaker 3: ten thousand years old, but then you actually, you know,
Speaker 3: you can actually find that it's probably only fifty years old,
Speaker 3: and shit like that happens all the time. And so
Speaker 3: in my opinion, whenever you're saying that something is twelve
Speaker 3: thousand years old and you're not using carbon dating, you
Speaker 3: would have to then just use something else that is
Speaker 3: also twelve thousand years old, which I don't know how
Speaker 3: many of those artifacts are around, if any.
Speaker 1: So they did carbon dating on it, and you're right
Speaker 1: about the fact that that is a very flawed system
Speaker 1: unless you know the whereabouts of the artifact the entire time, right,
Speaker 1: was it kept?
Speaker 2: Was it preserved?
Speaker 1: This harpoon was embedded in peat, and you can formulate
Speaker 1: how deep and when that peat was formed based off
Speaker 1: of the other carbon matter, and you can trail you
Speaker 1: all the way.
Speaker 2: Do you know what pete is?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So pete is if anybody who doesn't know,
Speaker 1: essentially it is mud, but it's flammable mud. Think of
Speaker 1: mud that is so rich in dead, organic, decomposed matter
Speaker 1: that you can actually use it as coal. And as
Speaker 1: a matter of fact, a lot of people in the
Speaker 1: Scottish Highlands and in northern Europe have used pete.
Speaker 2: They would go to pete bogs literally a swamp, a bog.
Speaker 1: They would cut out one foot by one foot chunks deep,
Speaker 1: like three feet deep. The stuff at the bottom was
Speaker 1: very flammable, now not like exploding flammable, but slow smoldering.
Speaker 1: You could cook on it, you could heat your homes
Speaker 1: on it, all the things that coal would do. And
Speaker 1: they had it literally in the mud. So now we
Speaker 1: know that underneath this water isn't just whatever, it's peat. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we know guaranteed what year and how deep and
Speaker 1: all these things. So when they dredged it up, that
Speaker 1: came up with some organic matter and they were able
Speaker 1: to test that as well. So when they said twelve thousand,
Speaker 1: they actually kind of said with a little more authority
Speaker 1: than just a finding.
Speaker 3: So do they are they saying that basically that the
Speaker 3: peat would preserve whatever item is held within it?
Speaker 2: Absolutely? Okay, it encapsulated it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's pretty neat.
Speaker 1: And then it encapsulated it underwater, so it's like it
Speaker 1: was air sealed and water sealed. So it was like
Speaker 1: they it was kind of beyond dispute at this point now.
Speaker 1: And to your point, that doesn't mean they didn't have
Speaker 1: advanced technology.
Speaker 2: This is a artifact.
Speaker 1: This is one thing, you know what I mean, Doggerland
Speaker 1: existed for thousands of beers after this harpoon was made.
Speaker 1: There's the argument to say that it didn't stop being
Speaker 1: a thing until six thousand BC.
Speaker 3: Right. It's like if they went into the future and
Speaker 3: they were dredging up some old like I don't know,
Speaker 3: cold steel dildos back in the day like that we
Speaker 3: have now, they'd be like they worshiped the Great Steel
Speaker 3: Phallis or something along those lines.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 2: Think of it like that, dude, if we were to
Speaker 2: find it right now.
Speaker 1: So from the time Doggerland was wiped off the face
Speaker 1: of the earth six thousand BC allegedly right and twelve
Speaker 1: thousand BC when this was made, six thousand year gap, dude,
Speaker 1: that is the same gap between Plato and us.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm like, It's wild.
Speaker 1: We're talking about if we were to find an artifact
Speaker 1: that far removed from us right now, we're talking two
Speaker 1: thousand or four thousand BC. So, like this harpoon doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that's the only life and only technology and only things.
Speaker 1: This is just a finding that led to more research
Speaker 1: being done in the area that has uncovered more things.
Speaker 3: I no longer want to Viking send off. Just pack
Speaker 3: me and Pete baby.
Speaker 2: I like it. And you saw that Pete bodies.
Speaker 1: This is a real life mummification that has been happening
Speaker 1: for forever from people that get lost in these bog
Speaker 1: pits and they just get covered up and perfectly preserved.
Speaker 2: It's insane, dude.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty rad, dude.
Speaker 2: I like it, all right, let's keep listen to you.
Speaker 12: Gat Rio remained under researched by geologists and archaeologists for
Speaker 12: quite a while. For both fields, it was really hard
Speaker 12: to access, geologists didn't really deem it old enough to
Speaker 12: be something worth their while, and for archaeologists, the context
Speaker 12: was so destroyed that they thought their efforts would be
Speaker 12: best spent elsewhere. So it wouldn't be until twenty ten
Speaker 12: that some of the largest efforts in actually understanding Doggerland
Speaker 12: would have been undertaken. A large piece of this research
Speaker 12: was done by an archaeologist by the name of Vincent Gaffney.
Speaker 12: He wanted to create a map of Doggerland, but short
Speaker 12: of him surveying the entire North Sea by himself, he
Speaker 12: decided to take a little bit more of a strategic route.
Speaker 12: He worked with oil, natural gas, and wind companies who
Speaker 12: had already surveyed the ocean floor and used their data,
Speaker 12: and with the addition of sediment cores gathered in twenty nineteen,
Speaker 12: Gaffney and his team were able to prove that Doggerland
Speaker 12: had in fact.
Speaker 4: Been above water.
Speaker 12: From all of this data he had gathered, Gaffney was
Speaker 12: able to complete what his predecessor, Clement had started more
Speaker 12: than one hundred years before, completing one of the first
Speaker 12: real maps of Doggerland, and from here archaeologists were able
Speaker 12: to have the first concrete look at what Doggerland was.
Speaker 2: Bro that's wild.
Speaker 1: So he did he decided, Look, I'm not gonna go
Speaker 1: off and use funding that I don't need to use.
Speaker 1: What I'm gonna do is get with oil natural gas
Speaker 1: companies who have already surveyed this land, and I'm just
Speaker 1: gonna go off of what they believe. They've already done
Speaker 1: the research. They did core sampling in twenty nineteen to
Speaker 1: verify the dates of when this was on solid or
Speaker 1: above sea level, if you will, and so now they
Speaker 1: actually can tell what it was.
Speaker 2: Dude, your thoughts.
Speaker 3: I love it. I hope they keep on discovering whatever
Speaker 3: it is that they're discovering, whatever it is that they're
Speaker 3: dredging up. Hopefully they can find like more tools and
Speaker 3: maybe more possible bodies, more animal bones. I love this
Speaker 3: kind of stuff, Like just discovering this seems like it
Speaker 3: seems like a treasure trove.
Speaker 1: Really, I couldn't agree more. And so one more time,
Speaker 1: listen to our dude, Milo here with the minute, minute man,
Speaker 1: many minute man, excuse.
Speaker 12: Me, nineteen thousand square mile piece of submerged continental shelf
Speaker 12: in the North Sea during the last glacial period between
Speaker 12: about one hundred and twenty and twenty thousand years ago,
Speaker 12: much of the Earth's water would have been locked up
Speaker 12: in massive continental ice sheets. As a result, there was
Speaker 12: less water in the oceans, and so the ocean levels
Speaker 12: were a lot shallower, as much as four hundred feet shallower.
Speaker 12: This means that for much of recent geologic history, Doggerland
Speaker 12: would have actually been above water, and it would have
Speaker 12: created a lowland that bridged the gap between the British
Speaker 12: Isles and continental Europe. This also means that if you
Speaker 12: were standing in what's now continental Europe and looking at
Speaker 12: the British Isles, they wouldn't have been isles. They would
Speaker 12: have been a distant mountain range. While this map kind
Speaker 12: of seems alien to us, it would have been the
Speaker 12: map of Europe that most of our human ancestors would
Speaker 12: have been familiar with.
Speaker 1: So okay, So, like I said earlier, if Doggerland is
Speaker 1: to be real, which we now know that it is,
Speaker 1: this wouldn't have been the British Isles. That would have
Speaker 1: been a distant mountain range on the other end of
Speaker 1: the Doggerland Valley.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, Okay, And.
Speaker 1: It's very possible that this was from all the records
Speaker 1: that we can show a very fertile land, very agricultural land,
Speaker 1: very a good trade hub between I mean especially along
Speaker 1: the coastline. Human civilization has always existed around water, whether
Speaker 1: that's ocean or rivers, that's how it works. So this
Speaker 1: just shows that they would have had a thriving, industrious civilization.
Speaker 2: Are you with me at this point?
Speaker 3: I am with you, sir.
Speaker 2: Okay, So history with Kaylee.
Speaker 1: She actually is from North Europe, and she brings up
Speaker 1: a couple of points to further the point that these people,
Speaker 1: to your point, Jonathan, were not just Neanderthals living in caves.
Speaker 1: They strategically planted certain trees along their coastline to prevent
Speaker 1: coastal erosion. Cave dwellers wouldn't have had the forethought, for
Speaker 1: the foresight to do something like that, or to acknowledge
Speaker 1: that that was a real problem.
Speaker 2: You see what I'm saying, right, Yeah, it makes sense.
Speaker 1: And let's also keep in mind that even right now,
Speaker 1: there are four main rivers in Europe today that feed
Speaker 1: into the ancient rivers of Doggerland, and they are the Thames,
Speaker 1: the Ooze, the Vacier, and the Vaal River. Okay, any
Speaker 1: of our European listeners, if you live anywhere near those
Speaker 1: that one time that river fed into Doggerland. So if
Speaker 1: we look at the certain specimens and the animal life
Speaker 1: that has now been discovered from these treks and from
Speaker 1: these excavations, we now get a much much larger picture
Speaker 1: of what Doggerland really had going on at the time.
Speaker 1: This is history. With Kaylee, I cannot say enough about
Speaker 1: how awesome she is. Elhoul Go check out her channel
Speaker 1: as well. Let's hear what she has to say about it.
Speaker 13: Take a look at some of the remnants from the
Speaker 13: Doggerland landscape that we can see today in modern times,
Speaker 13: a landscape that went all away from modern day the
Speaker 13: west coast of the Netherlands to the modern day east
Speaker 13: coast of England. Near where I grew up is a
Speaker 13: place called Shore. This location has a beautiful pine forest
Speaker 13: that mixes together with the sand of the dunes. These
Speaker 13: pine trees were planted about one hundred years ago, but
Speaker 13: the trees used to roam this area naturally for thousands
Speaker 13: of years. This area was once an Atlantic dune forest,
Speaker 13: but unfortunately the trees were cut down over the centuries
Speaker 13: leaving behind large sandy plains. As you can imagine, sandy
Speaker 13: plains are not a great defense against the water of
Speaker 13: the North Sea during storms, and knowing that this area
Speaker 13: of the Netherlands is situated a couple meters below sea level,
Speaker 13: this was a bit of an issue. So the decision
Speaker 13: was made to reinstate the Atlantic dune forest, and the
Speaker 13: same species of pine trees and also oaks, birches and
Speaker 13: rowans were thus planted about one hundred years ago. Pine
Speaker 13: trees hold the sand with their roots, preventing it from
Speaker 13: blowing away, and they evaporate a lot of water. What's
Speaker 13: fascinating is that it's total in the Netherlands is located
Speaker 13: at a latitude of fifty two point seven and Norfolk
Speaker 13: in England is located at a latitude of fifty two
Speaker 13: point six. The reason why this is fascinating has to
Speaker 13: do with the fact that here in Norfolk we can
Speaker 13: see the remnants of the other side of this ancient
Speaker 13: Atlantic dune forest. The coastline of Norfolk has the same pine, oak,
Speaker 13: birch and row on trees that grow through and near
Speaker 13: the sandy dunes, showing to us that long ago, during
Speaker 13: the time when Doggerland was still a land mass, A
Speaker 13: massive forest with sandy plains, stretched from the modern day
Speaker 13: coast of the Netherlands to the modern day coast of
Speaker 13: Norfolk in England. This type of forest is actually very
Speaker 13: common along the Atlantic coast of England. The characteristics of
Speaker 13: this particular ecosystem is the salt spray that the often
Speaker 13: strong wind constantly brings with it. That salt spray and
Speaker 13: the wind ensure that the upper parts of the branches
Speaker 13: are often break off, which causes trees to grow in
Speaker 13: more wid which explains their irregular shapes. Of course, it's
Speaker 13: unclear when the Atlantic dune forest first came to be,
Speaker 13: but it's safe to bet that this occurred before Doggerland
Speaker 13: sank beneath the waves. The forest most likely changed over
Speaker 13: time due to the salt spray. But because we can
Speaker 13: clearly see two distinct locations on both sides of the
Speaker 13: North Sea at as nearly the same latitude, it's not
Speaker 13: a big stretch to think that there used to be
Speaker 13: a very large forest spanning from North Holland in the
Speaker 13: Netherlands to Norfolk in England.
Speaker 1: Okay, so I actually did a little more digging on
Speaker 1: it after I heard her say this. So you know
Speaker 1: that we talked about how trees have genetic parents, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: So come to find out another group did a study
Speaker 1: on the birch Rowan Pine. All those trees that she
Speaker 1: just mentioned in Norway and in Norfolk they are from
Speaker 1: the same ancient parenting group. So we know beyond any
Speaker 1: shadow of any doubt that they at one time were
Speaker 1: a long line on the beachhead of.
Speaker 2: What was once a land mass.
Speaker 1: There is now, beyond all shadow of all doubt, that
Speaker 1: we do in fact have a lost continent, a lost
Speaker 1: land mass that was sunken beneath the waves for reasons
Speaker 1: unknown to them, but reasons that we speculate about today.
Speaker 1: Doggerland may in fact be the spawn point, if you will,
Speaker 1: of where all these myths and legends come from. Because again,
Speaker 1: there's no reason why the population in the Northern Europe
Speaker 1: area should have been what it was per the time
Speaker 1: scales that it was, and historians still are baffled at this.
Speaker 1: You look at the climate, it's not very agrable, right,
Speaker 1: There's not a lot of farming that's going on in
Speaker 1: the northern sections of Europe. But you look throughout history
Speaker 1: there has been a large land, are a large human
Speaker 1: population of those lands, it would reason that they didn't
Speaker 1: start there, but they fled there when their ancestral land
Speaker 1: mass slowly over time went under the water.
Speaker 2: Jonathan, what are your thoughts.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's possible. I would hope to think that
Speaker 3: that's really what's going on, you know, because and it's honestly,
Speaker 3: it's kind of sad because a lot of this stuff
Speaker 3: is really lost to the just to the annals of history,
Speaker 3: so really a lot of it's just speculation. But I
Speaker 3: love whenever they're you know, you can pull up certain
Speaker 3: things from this from whatever's being dredged, and it's like,
Speaker 3: oh shit, this actually lends some validity to the possibility
Speaker 3: that all right, well, there was definitely people thousands and
Speaker 3: thousands and thousands of years ago. We don't know what
Speaker 3: their spiritual beliefs were, we don't know how advanced they were,
Speaker 3: we don't know what kind of jobs or or whatever
Speaker 3: kind of people they were or whatever, but we at
Speaker 3: least know that there were people using these tools thousands
Speaker 3: of years ago, and that's a good place to start.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I agree, And so as you're probably gonna hear cult
Speaker 1: members through news sources and everything else, and through listening
Speaker 1: to shows like ours, you're gonna hear about these lost lands.
Speaker 2: Just know that that is not base an absolute bullshit.
Speaker 1: There is at least currently land being discovered as we speak.
Speaker 2: Who knows what we will be discovering tomorrow.
Speaker 3: You never know, dude, Like times are you know with
Speaker 3: the technology that that you know is currently being evolved.
Speaker 3: I mean, dude, look just look at it. We talk
Speaker 3: about technology all the time, Like it was just yesteryear
Speaker 3: everybody was watching movies on VCR, dude, and now you're
Speaker 3: watching them through these fucking like these invisible sound and
Speaker 3: energy waves that are coming to your computer and your TV. Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: thirty years ago that sounded ridiculous, but now it's just
Speaker 3: accepted as common, so I think. And that's just one
Speaker 3: example obviously, but like it's it's cool to see what
Speaker 3: technology could possibly lend us to start to understand about
Speaker 3: what's at the depths of the ocean floor and maybe
Speaker 3: we can make and who knows, like maybe even history
Speaker 3: itself would be changed forever through the discoveries of whatever
Speaker 3: we find. Maybe we're we're looking at how to use
Speaker 3: certain tools or certain weapons or certain building techniques or
Speaker 3: whatever that we could pick up on these ancient people,
Speaker 3: you know, like I think that that's that's pretty badass.
Speaker 2: One hundred percent, brother, one hundred percent, And.
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