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Speaker 1: Hello, friends, this is Jim Nants and I invite you

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to listen to Golf Smarter with my friend Fred Green

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coming your way.

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Speaker 2: Hi.

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Speaker 3: My name is Lisa and I'm six years old. Fred

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is my grandpa. Yayo is my grandma. Mike is my dad,

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and he and Grandpa played golf together. And this is

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Golf Smarter number one thousand.

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Speaker 1: My crazy little childhood dream that I had as a

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young boy. I wanted to work for CBS. Since I was,

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let's call it eleven years old. CBS broadcast the Masters,

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and those voices of my youth were telling me stories

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and they were educating me. And I was mesmerized by

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those voices, and I wanted to be one of those

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voices because it impacted me. It moved me, They informed me,

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educated me, they brought the world to me. I had

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this crazy idea that I wanted to work specifically for CBS.

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And I also love by the way the way the

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CBS broadcasts the NFL. They didn't have college basketball back

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in those days. They had the NFL, they had golf,

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and I just thought, I want to work for CBS.

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I want to work for CBS. I went to college

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saying I got to figure out a way to get

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to CBS. When our legendary golf coach made us stand

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up and introduce ourselves to the fellow freshmen. He said,

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just stand up, tell us your name, tell us what

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you want to do with your life. And I stood

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first and I said, I'm Jim Nansen. I want to

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work for CBS one day. I want to broadcast the

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NFL and I want to broadcast the Master's Tournament.

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Speaker 2: Jim nance the voice and heartbeat of the Masters in

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an episode unlike any other. This is Golf Smarter, sharing stories,

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tips and insights from great golf minds to help you

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lower your score and raise your golf IQ. Here's your host,

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Fred Green. Welcome to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Speaker 1: Jim, Hello Fred or Hello friends, however you want to

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put it up. It's both are true, and I'm happy

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to be here on this special special occasion with you. Fred.

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Speaker 2: Oh, thank you so much. I was wondering when I said,

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when I told you say hello, Fred, I wonder how

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that was going to come out.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 2: That was awesome. Where did hello friends come from? I mean,

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every broadcaster looks for a signature line in things, and

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you really have nailed it. Where did it come from?

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Speaker 1: Well, I truly never wanted to have a signature line,

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so that was not where I was trying to go.

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It was a I've told this story many times, but

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my dad suffered from Alzheimer's and it was a thirteen

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year battle unwinnable. Hopefully we're on the way to changing

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that for that dark world. But about halfway through his battle,

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as he he was able to just cling to faint memories,

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I would play all kinds of word games with him

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to try to keep the engines going. Fromwhere along the line,

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I said to him, Dad, when I come on the

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air this weekend, I'm gonna say hello friends, and that

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is a message to you to let you know I'm

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thinking of you with that very time when I come

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on camera, kind of like an old Carol Burnett Tug

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of the Year type. And it was as simple as that.

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I left his bedside in Houston, probably five minutes later.

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He had already forgotten about it. Who knows. I'd like

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to think there was some sort of synaps that held

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on to it. But I made my way to Hazel

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Team and the PGA Championship of two won by Rich

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Beam and It was on the Saturday show. I said,

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for the first time on the air, Hello friends, Jim

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nance and do you know that? I you know, as

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I look into the camera, which gives you no feedback,

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you're just looking into a dark hole a lens. I

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thought of him. For that flicker of a second, it

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relaxed me. And after the show, a great friend of

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mine who had worked with me on my book about

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my father, called always by my Side, Eli Spielman. I called.

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I got a call from Eli and he said, I

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heard you say hello friends at the top of the broadcast.

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What was that all about? I told him the backstory.

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He said, that sounds like you. You ought to do

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that every show, not again, trying to create anything that

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would draw attention to me or a signature line. But

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I have ever since, and do you know, even to

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this day, all these hundreds thousands of shows later, when

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I say it, it's comforting to me. My Dad's been

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gone since eight fred eight. So I still though, for

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that flicker of a second one I look into the

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camera and say hello friends, I think of my dad,

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and it's a warm feeling that overtakes me and gets

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me into the flow of the show.

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Speaker 2: It's like it's your first tea, you know, getting rid

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Speaker 1: Right, Yes, exactly, it's exactly that same kind of thing.

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super Bowl or the Masters, whatever it might be. There's

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all that excitement for a live show that you've prepared

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for and you kind of just want to settle into

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the round, settle into the broadcast, and hello friends. Has

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been that gift to me. It settles me down and

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Speaker 2: That is amazing and I completely get. It's kind of

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like what this screen screen is behind me? You ask

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why the green screen. There's no distractions for me, and

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into the camera, which I have on my screen positioned

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right below your right blow your eyes, so I can

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look into the camera. But it looks like I'm looking

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at you, but I am actually looking at your eyes. Yeah,

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that's the comforting dark hole that broadcasters, I'm sure take

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a while to figure out how to use the camera

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effectively because it's so hard, especially now with people on

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zoom and stuff. They're always looking off to the side. Anyway,

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our connection was a strange one on how I got

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to you, and it's John.

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Speaker 1: Madden, WHOA what a nice thing to hear go on.

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Speaker 2: Oh well, a friend of mine recently wrote a book

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called Mornings with Madden. I don't know if you know

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that John was on Bay Area Radio every morning for thirty.

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Speaker 1: Years, K and B R for a long time.

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Speaker 2: And before that KSFO with Gene Nelson, Okay, and before

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that he was on the RKO Radio network. Charlie Steiner

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was head of RKO Radio Sports at the time, Charlie

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being you know the Dodgers recently ESPN and I John

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Madden's recording engineer, and he and I would talk for

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you know, these five minute segments, and then we'd talked

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for two hours. And we did this for years, and

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he was the single greatest mentor I've ever had in

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my life. And I found out when I had my

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list of wanting to get you on the show, I

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found out that you and John Sharon Agent.

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Speaker 1: Wait, Sandy Montag, great Sandy Montag, and you're a blessed

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man that had all those experiences with coach I had

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a few of those, not anywhere close to the number

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that you did. But he loved a good hang So

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what you just described is exactly what made John really happy.

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to sit around and tell stories. That was kind of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, special.

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Speaker 1: Man, special man. And I did regret deeply when he passed.

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Sometimes you do you think, could I have handled that friendship,

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that relationship a little bit better? I wish I had

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more of it. I wish there was more time. Why

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didn't I make this kind of effort here? I had

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a home in Pebble Beach, California. I lived there full

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time for eleven years. I still lived there part time,

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never selling my home. But John was right off of

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Ocean Avenue in Carmel. And the reality is fred I

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was so in all of them, but he felt a

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little intimidated. And John's the last guy in the world

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want anyone to feel like he had intimidated you. But

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he was just so big in my eyes that I

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had I had a few chances to hang out with him,

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and as guys of Carmel, Dominic Furman, I still see

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these guys from Bruno's Market there in Carmel. Wonderful guy.

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Just had a great business with him a few weeks ago.

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And John was just such a regular person, but he

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had this way of describing things that was next level.

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He was a people person, an extraordinary guy. So I'm

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glad you found through Sandy this opportunity for us to

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be together.

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Speaker 2: So after KNBR he went to KCBS right and he

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was with the morning guy for the last twenty years

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of John doing this was Stan Bunger, who was the

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who wrote this book, Mornings with Madden. You should check

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it out. It's really it's just stories about John. It's

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not a bio at all. And Stan. When I was

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in college radio in San Francisco, and I graduated a

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couple of years ahead of you, from you know, radio

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and TV, I was the morning DJ and Stan was

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my morning news guy. So we've been friends ever since.

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Speaker 1: Unbelievable.

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Speaker 2: When were you introduced to golf?

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Speaker 1: I was introduced to golf probably around the age of four.

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Family lived in Charlotte, North Carolina, and they became founding

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members of a golf club that was extremely modest. Okay,

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I'll tell you how modest it was. It was so

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modest that there was a routing for a nine hole

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golf course. It's now eighteen called Pine Lake Pine Lake

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outside of Charlotte, and the founding members helped build the

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golf course. They helped clear it, so there was this routing.

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I can still see the first hole and people lined

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up single file across the width of the tree lines,

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tree lines right and left, and you pushed a wheelbarrow

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with you and dumped sticks and stones in the wheelbarrow.

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with the top soil and then seed it. So I

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was just a tag along little boy, little runt, following

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his mom and dad. And later, of course, the course

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came to life. And that was my introduction to golf

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is just really tagging along with my parents clearing a

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golf course and later playing it, and I loved it.

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a Monday through Friday working man, but on weekends I

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used to tag along with him, and I took up

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a love for the game that's never left me. And

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my son. I have three children. My youngest is a boy,

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and he's into golf big time, and I'm living the

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game vicariously through him and at the same time stirring

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a lot of memories of how I got introduced to

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Speaker 2: So do you remember every shot you've ever taken on

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a golf course?

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Speaker 1: Oh? But shots thread I'm unfortunately I'm putting up good scores,

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but some of the better moments in my in my

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golfing career, I can remember a lot of things. My

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memory is really sharp on names and numbers. It helps

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me well, it serves me well for the broadcasting. But

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I'm so into watching my son play. He plays competitively

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as a junior golfer, and I just love watching. He's

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going to be such a good player. In time, He's

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going to be outstanding. So it's such a joy to

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be able to have have that with him. I have

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a little golf hole in my backyard in Pebble Beach

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and my home here in Nashville. It's been a two

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year work in progress. I have another little teeing area

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and a green And it sounds extravagant. It's it's not,

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but I guess you could say it is. But I mean,

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I worked on it by hand, shape it the way

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I wanted it to. I didn't lay down the synthetic turf.

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I had great people do that. But my son's just

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it's only amplified his love and interest in the game.

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told Joy, just that joy of having a club in

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your hand and hitting shots and trying all kinds of

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different ways to get the ball close.

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Speaker 2: So are you just watching or are you coaching him?

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Speaker 1: Like coaching, I've been coaching him since he was three.

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leat in life, and I would take the desktop that

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I'm on right now and I would put up videos

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of Rory as a boy at each different age group

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from three on. There are videos out there, you can

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find them. And I had when Jamison we call him Jamo,

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but when Jamo was three, and I started out with

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the video of Rory hitting golf balls into a washing machine.

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to the back to the top of the tee. And

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kids are great simulators. They can really their copycatters at

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that age and they can easily get their body in

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the positions they need to. And I really believe that

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was a good way to teach him. And he'd go

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up and he would simulate at the same age what

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Rory was doing. Alas he's nine now. In his swing now,

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granted he's nine, but it looks very similar to Rory's.

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and it's a great teaching mechanism. We played yesterday and

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tell when he's fractionally off, whether it's his takeaway or

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it's weight shift, whatever it might be coming out of

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a shot, and he listens and he grasps it quickly. Wow,

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and yeah, I think know he's going to be able

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to play the game, hopefully at a collegiate level, maybe

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beyond when that day comes. But as sure as fun

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sharing with him, I know that.

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as a golfer, what is the best advice you've ever received?

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Speaker 1: Mmm? You know, I I mean as far as teaching

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or enjoyment of the game, teaching of the game I

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was taught. You know, we're basically the same age fred

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Speaker 2: A little younger than me.

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Speaker 1: I grew up an agent. It was all about staying

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in control and tempo and having that elegant swing and

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and didn't grip it and rip it. And now as

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you get older, you know the you wish you were

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taught just as swing as hard as you could and

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pound it. I've always had a good demeanor on the

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golf course. I'm not a club thrower. You don't hear

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me curse the sky. I try my best to just

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enjoy the fact that I'm out there playing some of

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the most beautiful places in the world. I had some

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of the most beautiful plays in the world and not

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get caught up and score. It took me a long

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time to over meeting other people's expectations. The word is out.

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of a stretch, to be honest. I was the last

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guy on the golf team, and I never really competed

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in a varsity tournament, competing in a rushman tournament, and

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I was surrounded by very talented players. So people think

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I can go out and shoot seventy two, seventy five

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every time I play and it's not even close. So

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it took me a long time to meet other people's expectations,

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or I was quarreling with that. Now, when you get

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to be sixty five, you start to realize, you know,

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the expectations are lower. I'm older now, It's it's plausible

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that I lost my game somewhere along the way. I've

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been working so I have not had to feel as

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much tension playing and trying to live up to that

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University Houston past.

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Speaker 2: You know, as we get older, my wife and I

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joke about all the time there's a graph of the

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X access is your age going up, and the y

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axes is give a shit and the older you get

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going down.

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Speaker 1: I think that you described it better that I can.

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That was I think that speaks to me right there, Freddie,

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I really do.

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Speaker 2: And how's Jamo's mental game?

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Speaker 1: He's good, He's mister positive. I mean, he can just

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I mean, I love the fact that he fights hard

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for every shot and he is you know, he's he's

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I mean for nine years old. He hits the ball

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a long way. I held him back playing in tournament golf.

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I was told this by Butch Harmon. Actually Butcher was

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out visiting. We went up to the back of the

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range at Pebble and he saw Jmo hit the ball.

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When he was four or five years old, Jamo made

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a hole in one at the hay at Pebble Beach

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around that time. He's still the youngest ever to ever

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make one, a legit shot and there oh yeah, there

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were witnesses.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, God, I'm a proud papa moment.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was all good. But I Butch said, don't

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get him too competitive too early. There can be a

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he thinks there's a burnout factor. He says, wait till

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he's eight or nine. Well, I've waited till he was

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late eight in the fall of twenty four and I

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entered him in his first tournament, individual tournament, it says

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out here in Tennessee, it's called the Snetecker Tour. Brand's

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name is on it, and Brandt Snedecker is just a

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great guy, tennesseean And Jamo was playing an eight nine

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ten age group and it was just a little after

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school nine whole tournament, like twenty five kids. But they

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played it, you know, a par thirty six golf course

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like from the ladies. He's eight, nine, ten, and the

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first time out he won, he won by four shots.

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He shot four over his first time he went out.

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To have to play competitively, everything has to be hold.

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He can't touch the ball, play as it lies. And

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I just thought, wow, you know, that was a great

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way to start. He hasn't won every tournament. He's won

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several tournaments, but he's playing up. He's playing against older boys,

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and the kids are all so great and they root

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for each other. And he gets back to the summer.

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got a pack of kids who are all excellent Division

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I prospects that are fourteen fifteen sixteen who play in

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the more than cal the n C g A A

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j g A, you know that, that Great American Tour.

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And they love Jmo tagging along and it's really improved

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his game playing with older boys and girls who are

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outstanding players. So I'm loving it. I've never loved the

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game more than I do right now today. I really

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because of my son. He's just he's stoked up of

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whatever a fire inside of me to enjoy the game

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even more. I love where the professional game is right now. Uh,

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and it's been. It's been. It's been just blessed, really has.

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Speaker 2: It's amazing that he won his first tournament, and it's

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probably really good that he doesn't win everyone. He's got

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to learn that about.

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Speaker 1: Got to I mean you you you have to go

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through you know what it takes to win, and a

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lot of that is you also have to learn how

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to handle defeat. And uh, that's a life lesson. I'll

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give you his first swing in This was a father

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son tournament, so that didn't count as an individual tournament.

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He was six years old. I trust this can come out.

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Speaker 2: Oh shoot, because of the blur. Oh look at that.

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Speaker 1: That was six. You know that was his first shot

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playing with me, and you know he just he can

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he can, he can play.

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Speaker 2: Oh thank you for sharing. Yeah for those listening to

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the podcast, sorry Jim on his phone all swing, but

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can check out YouTube. We'll put this on YouTube.

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Speaker 1: Enjoy it. I'm not trying to put crazy expectations on

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his shoulder. He's way too young.

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Speaker 2: Okay, you brought it up. You mentioned Rory, and I

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want to bring it to this year's Masters, which I

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have to say, the first one I ever got to

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go to. I was there Wednesday and Thursday as a

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guest of Charlie Yates Junior.

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Speaker 1: Nice yeah, Royalty Royalty at the rest of National Golf Club.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, absolutely amazing, and had lunch with them

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in the Founder's dining hall on Thursday and it was,

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you know, the trophy room, amazing, amazing. But it's fun. Now. God,

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there's so many things I want to talk about that

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you were working. I mean, I've been around broadcasting, I've

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been around sports broadcasting. You're working when you're at the Masters.

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Do you ever get to what blew me away?

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Speaker 1: Is?

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Speaker 2: Meeting under the tree right inside by the umbrellas. That

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the industry, that's their meeting place. That's the golf industry

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meeting place. Unlike the PGA Show, which is a retail thing,

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this is golf. Do you ever get to enjoy that?

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Or you working the whole time? You're there every year?

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Speaker 1: But I enjoy every minute of it. There's a lot

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going on, There's a lot of people to catch up

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to when you start on let's say Wednesday. I have

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some rituals there that i've This was my fortieth Master,

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so there are certain things that I do every year.

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In that case, on Wednesdays, I always want to part three.

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Tournament commences, I go down to Amen Corner and have

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my own little kind of moment, seance, ritual, prayerful, introspection,

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whatever you want to call it. Walk over Hogan Bridge,

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walk around the twelfth Green, give thanks for having the

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opportunity to be back again. I go up to the

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thirteenth t just kind of take it all in, breathe

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it in, look at it, walk across the Nelson Bridge,

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and go back to work. Now whatever you call it work,

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I mean it's joy for me. But Thursday morning under

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the Big Tree, when they come out with the honorary starters,

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that's an amazing time, amazing, amazing time. That's one of

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my favorite moments of the year. If you call it

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a sporting event, that might be. My favorite sporting event

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is the Masters, but specifically even seeing Jack Gary and

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Tom Watson, as the case was this year, hit that

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first shot. It's just like watching your life go by.

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It's a checkpoint. But I'd watched that from under the

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Big Tree. And you run into people in the industry,

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at the golf industry, you run into leaders in the

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golf space. They're all there and and so a lot

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of meet and greet, of old friendships being renewed. It's

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a season of renewal, as you know. And then the

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next thing you know, you've got commitments. You've got inserts

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into CBS this morning, You've got the cable show on

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Thursday and Friday. You've got open pieces to write and

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to voice. You have now this year, with the addition

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of five extra hours on the weekend, including on streaming,

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we were on from twelve till seven Eastern time both days.

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It felt like an hour each day. Seven hour Sunday

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was a little longer than seven hours. It's a blur.

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I'm into the Masters tournament so much. Every shot. I

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can't see every shot, but I have a pretty good

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idea of what's happening out there for virtually every player

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in the field. I have a scoring tablet in front

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of me, and I'm constantly hitting refresh, and I'm seeing.

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If you said to me, hey, where is name a player,

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Where's Rory on the golf course? Right now? I can

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tell you he's through eight holes, He's prety both the

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par fives, and he bogeye the fifth. I just have

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it in my head, but that goes beyond the stars

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of the game. You could say, how jose Marie is

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still playing at the tournament. How's he doing? Hey, surprisingly,

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he's doing great. He's you know, he's got a chance

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to make the cut. He birdy nine to get back

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to three over par. He's down at Amen corner right now.

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I just have a catalog it. I'm following it constantly

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from Thursday when the first shot is struck until Sunday

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night when the last put is hold. I'm like a

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computer in my own head following where everyone is on

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the course. And I love it.

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Speaker 2: And you've got a producer in your ear probably the

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entire time as well, don't you.

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Speaker 1: Other's that producer has more things to do than just

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have a running dialogue with me. He's got a lot

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of things.

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Speaker 2: He's got a lot of cameras going at once.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's the director's cutting the cameras. But

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the producers really concerned with the general flow of the

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show and where to go to next. And you get

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cues right fifteen, let's go to sixteen. He's telling you

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where to go. But and we have a great producer

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and seller Shy and an extraordinary director too, and Steve Milton.

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They make movies. Master's Tournament is not like covering a

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sporting event anymore sporting of them. It would be covering

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a football or a basketball game like a lot of

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people do. But when it comes to like the Master's Tournament,

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with the drone shots and all the different camera angles,

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the beauty, it is totally cinematic. That's the word. The

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little Augusta melody, the little undercurrent that's playing there. It's

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not a sporting event, is it is. It's a movie.

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It is cinematic.

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Speaker 2: And how detailed are the cues that you're getting Rory

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on fifteen or is there more?

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Speaker 1: Usually just it's just a whole change. Okay, twelve, let's

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put it twelve. Yeah, let's go to fifteen. I mean,

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he's got so many balls in the air. He's juggling

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go next. He's usually working five or six shots ahead,

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trying to time it out. He's not providing running commentary.

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He's he's he's watching while one players on the air.

475
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:03,680
He's at fifteen. You know, he's looking at Xander at seventeen.

476
00:28:03,799 --> 00:28:05,640
At the same time he's seeing Bryce and about the

477
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,920
second shot at eighteen. He's trying to time all this

478
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,440
to cut from here to there and tell the director

479
00:28:11,480 --> 00:28:13,640
we're going to go to seventeen next and after that

480
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:17,920
eighteen is coming up. So that's those are things I

481
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:21,119
don't hear. It would be a distraction. All I hear

482
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,039
is let's go to seventeen or not even let's go

483
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:27,000
it's just seventeen eighteen twelve.

484
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, okay, And you write your own copy.

485
00:28:30,599 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 1: I don't write any I mean, you're talking about the

486
00:28:32,519 --> 00:28:34,039
opening to the Master's Tournament.

487
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: Well, no, that's probably a team who dies that.

488
00:28:36,680 --> 00:28:39,119
Speaker 1: That's the only part that really is scripted would be

489
00:28:39,160 --> 00:28:45,920
those those big montages and orchestrations that open the Master's tournament.

490
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:47,960
And this year it was done well in advance of

491
00:28:48,000 --> 00:28:50,759
the Master's Tournament. It was done a month in advance.

492
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:55,119
Take a lot of pride and laying a voice down

493
00:28:56,079 --> 00:29:00,920
to that. But I the rest of what you're doing

494
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:05,200
on the air is it's just you. You see it.

495
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:08,799
You're you're you're an observer and you tell people what

496
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:13,599
you see, and it's extemporaneous speaking. You don't script anything.

497
00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:19,240
Speaker 2: Do you realize how good your voice is for audio?

498
00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:21,599
I mean, when did it, Brank? I mean, when you

499
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,839
were a kid and your voice started breaking and stuff.

500
00:29:23,839 --> 00:29:26,119
And now you're playing golf in college and like you're

501
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:28,759
probably doing play by play of guys hitting balls when

502
00:29:28,799 --> 00:29:32,839
you're playing in school. When did you know? It's like

503
00:29:33,079 --> 00:29:35,720
because I knew early on in my broadcasting career I

504
00:29:35,759 --> 00:29:38,559
did not have a good voice. For right you talk

505
00:29:38,599 --> 00:29:40,599
about friend, I have the intonation, but I don't know

506
00:29:40,599 --> 00:29:44,279
if I have the voice. But your voice is it's

507
00:29:44,799 --> 00:29:48,240
just silk and it and it lends so well to

508
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,480
the cinema of the masters.

509
00:29:50,599 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 1: Thank you for that. Well. First off, all I ever

510
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,519
knew about my voice is my voice sounded like my

511
00:29:55,640 --> 00:29:58,960
dad's voice, which I was very honored. What people would

512
00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:01,359
call the house back in the days when you had

513
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,519
landline phones at home. I even know even what a

514
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:08,880
cell phone would be. And you'd answer the phone. People

515
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:12,119
would say, you know, Jim, and I was named after

516
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:15,240
my father. It was Jim. I was actually Jimmy growing

517
00:30:15,279 --> 00:30:19,759
up because my dad was Jim. So, yes, Hi, how

518
00:30:19,799 --> 00:30:23,200
are you there's this big Jim a little Jim. We

519
00:30:23,359 --> 00:30:26,359
sounded exactly alike to people, and I was honored at

520
00:30:26,839 --> 00:30:29,319
carry my father's voice. I never thought it was any

521
00:30:29,359 --> 00:30:32,960
big deal. I just thought it was special. Because I

522
00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:36,039
knew that I sounded like my father. So it was

523
00:30:36,079 --> 00:30:39,680
not any classical training. It was just the fact that

524
00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:43,200
the Good Lord ran that voice through my dad onto me.

525
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:48,240
And I still don't even think it's anything special. It's

526
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:54,559
just the voice that I've been given. And listen, I

527
00:30:54,559 --> 00:30:57,160
have forty years of experience of knowing how to pitch

528
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:01,799
my voice on a broadcast, thing happens that's big, or

529
00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:05,400
even the other side of it, how to drop a voice.

530
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:09,680
But I don't think it's any big deal.

531
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: But saying that, well fine, you think that, Yeah, it's

532
00:31:15,359 --> 00:31:19,640
it's funny your voice sounding like your dad. Remember in

533
00:31:19,759 --> 00:31:22,799
early days of cell phones when you'd talk and they

534
00:31:22,839 --> 00:31:25,799
were just you'd hear the voice repeated right. Well, my

535
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,000
older son everyone could when he was growing up. People

536
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,359
still think that we have the same voice. It was like, wow,

537
00:31:31,440 --> 00:31:33,400
you sound a lot like your dad. So one time

538
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:37,079
he was calling his phone rang, He picked it up

539
00:31:37,119 --> 00:31:39,799
and he goes hello, and he goes hello, He goes

540
00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:42,960
who is this? Who is this? Come on, dad, Come

541
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,519
on dad. He realized that he thought he was talking

542
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,000
to me and that I was messing with him, But

543
00:31:47,079 --> 00:31:50,039
it was just his own voice repeating it sounds and

544
00:31:50,079 --> 00:31:50,759
you thought it was me.

545
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,839
Speaker 1: Well, my dad was a big believer, so was my mom.

546
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,839
And my crazy little childhood dream that I had as

547
00:31:59,880 --> 00:32:02,319
a young boy, I wanted to work for CBS since

548
00:32:02,359 --> 00:32:06,079
I was I was well, let's call it at the

549
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:10,279
absolute latest, let's call it eleven years old. But CBS

550
00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:15,720
broadcasts the Masters and those voices of yesteryear, the voices

551
00:32:15,759 --> 00:32:19,079
of my youth. It wasn't that they were on television.

552
00:32:19,839 --> 00:32:22,480
It was that they were telling me stories and they

553
00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:26,400
were educating me. And I was mesmerized by those voices

554
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:29,960
and I wanted to be one of those voices because

555
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,599
they did. It impacted me, It moved me, They informed me,

556
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:39,559
educated me, they brought the world to me. And I

557
00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:44,960
had this crazy idea that I wanted to work specifically

558
00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:47,920
for CBS. And I also loved by the way the

559
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,279
way the CBS broadcasts the NFL.

560
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:51,319
Speaker 2: They didn't have.

561
00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: College basketball back in those days, which would be a

562
00:32:53,640 --> 00:32:57,960
big part of my career. I'm grateful for having called

563
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,920
thirty two Final four and national championships, but they had

564
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:06,079
the NFL, they had golf, and I just thought, I

565
00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:08,319
want to work for CBS. I want to work for CBS.

566
00:33:08,319 --> 00:33:10,680
I went to college saying, I got to figure out

567
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,799
a way to get to CBS. I got to figure

568
00:33:12,799 --> 00:33:16,880
it out. When our legendary golf coach made us stand

569
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:20,160
up and introduce ourselves to the fellow freshman, he said,

570
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:22,119
just stand up, tell us your name, tell us what

571
00:33:22,160 --> 00:33:23,839
you want to do with your life. And I stood

572
00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:28,960
first at his beckoning, and I said, I'm Jim Nansen.

573
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:31,480
I want to work for CBS one day. I want

574
00:33:31,519 --> 00:33:35,359
to broadcast the NFL and I want to broadcast the

575
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:38,880
Master's Tournament. And I sat down. That was what I said.

576
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:43,440
That's what I declared day one of college. And I

577
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,880
can't begin to tell you how much appreciation I have

578
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:49,240
in my heart that that's all come true. And I've

579
00:33:49,279 --> 00:33:52,680
been there a long time. I mean, whenever that last

580
00:33:52,759 --> 00:33:56,799
day is hopefully many many years down the line, it's

581
00:33:56,799 --> 00:34:00,319
going to be hard for me because I've been live

582
00:34:00,359 --> 00:34:04,279
in that dream. It was a dream and it became

583
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:07,400
a reality, but it's still a dream. I mean, I'm

584
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:09,800
not ready. I'm not even close to ready being ready

585
00:34:09,840 --> 00:34:13,400
to let go of that dream. It's much a part

586
00:34:13,400 --> 00:34:16,159
of me, and it's important to me. Is is oxygen.

587
00:34:17,239 --> 00:34:21,440
It's just breathing life into that dream. So I've been

588
00:34:21,559 --> 00:34:26,000
very fortunate. I take none of it for granted. I'm grateful, grateful, grateful.

589
00:34:26,119 --> 00:34:28,119
Every day I give thanks for having a chance to

590
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:29,960
live the dream. I really do.

591
00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 2: Let's take it to Sunday this year, Rory's final day.

592
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,760
You talk about the movie that's created by the Masters.

593
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:50,239
Here you have the final pairing of Rory and Bryson.

594
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:53,239
I mean, you couldn't have scripted that any.

595
00:34:53,039 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: Better, not scripted any better.

596
00:34:55,639 --> 00:34:59,119
Speaker 2: And then the way it, the flow of it. I

597
00:34:59,159 --> 00:35:04,360
don't know if you can recognize, but from a viewer's perspective,

598
00:35:05,199 --> 00:35:08,880
Sunday at the Master's twenty twenty five may have been

599
00:35:09,199 --> 00:35:11,840
the greatest sports television ever broadcast.

600
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:15,840
Speaker 1: I agree with that statement right there, in terms of

601
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:21,800
creating tension, suspense, drama, the ups and downs of it,

602
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:30,800
the matchup that you have. Look, Bryson's enormously popular, He's resurrected.

603
00:35:31,159 --> 00:35:34,360
He has me through his YouTube videos and all that.

604
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:37,599
My son loves watching Bryson and all these videos trying

605
00:35:37,599 --> 00:35:41,239
to break fifty. He's into it, he loves it. And

606
00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:43,920
I've known bryceon well since he was a college student

607
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,559
and came to my home at Pebble Beach to pick

608
00:35:46,679 --> 00:35:49,800
my brain as an amateur playing in the first Masters.

609
00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,159
He he he wrote and asked if he could have

610
00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:58,760
an audience, and whatever said absolutely, Let's meet in my

611
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:02,920
house on January the sixteenth, and he showed up and

612
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:05,960
stayed for a long time. He walked away and said,

613
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,320
you know, I'm I'm just trying to find a shot

614
00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,599
here and there. And I said, I really think that,

615
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,480
you know, there's maybe there's a chance that by asking

616
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,599
you these questions about Sarahcen and Steed and all these

617
00:36:17,639 --> 00:36:21,280
people you've met along the way, that maybe it's worth

618
00:36:21,280 --> 00:36:23,079
a shot. And I've wanted to get to know you.

619
00:36:23,159 --> 00:36:26,079
I mean, I couldn't help but love the kid right away. Sure.

620
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,800
And then you know Rory the way he has stood

621
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,480
up for the game. Yeah, you had that kind of

622
00:36:32,599 --> 00:36:35,719
interesting little subplot. You had Rory, who's had to be

623
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:40,480
kind of the spokesman for the PGA tour, and Bryson,

624
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,840
who's probably the most popular live player. You had that

625
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,400
little subplot in there too. You got two guys who

626
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,639
were bashers who can absolutely obliterate a golf ball.

627
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:53,960
Speaker 2: It was Batman and the Joker. Yeah.

628
00:36:54,079 --> 00:36:59,159
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then you have the carryover from Pinehurst.

629
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,960
Speaker 2: Right when previous major.

630
00:37:01,280 --> 00:37:04,519
Speaker 1: I mean, and then you've got Rory going for this

631
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:10,039
epic career achievement that it felt like there was gonna

632
00:37:10,039 --> 00:37:12,159
be a Greek tragedy here in the end, there was

633
00:37:12,199 --> 00:37:14,880
gonna be some way that he was gonna be denied it.

634
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:19,840
And all of this coming together. Then you start out

635
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:23,360
the day with Rice and grabbing the lead after two

636
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:27,760
holes and Rory stumbling I mean by a yard on

637
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,119
each of his first two t shots, failing to clear

638
00:37:30,159 --> 00:37:32,239
a bunker. It was that close. It was like that close,

639
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:37,119
and had he I don't know, he says it really

640
00:37:37,159 --> 00:37:39,280
helped him cal him down. But to go double bogey

641
00:37:39,400 --> 00:37:42,400
par on those first two holes, these three shots behind

642
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,760
where he should be. Yeah, and then the ride that

643
00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:52,039
Rory took us on the ups and downs. He's got it,

644
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:54,800
he can't lose it now. And then he hits the

645
00:37:54,800 --> 00:37:59,679
third shot, the pitch into the thirteenth green. I mean,

646
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,519
who's ever seen in a moment like that forget missed

647
00:38:03,639 --> 00:38:09,679
short putts talking about shots into a green. It's one

648
00:38:09,679 --> 00:38:11,559
of the biggest misses of all time in the history

649
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:15,679
of the game. I mean, it just can't it can't happen.

650
00:38:15,679 --> 00:38:19,639
It just blew your mind, just like missing the green

651
00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:22,599
at the seventy second with a wedgind hand anywhere on

652
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:28,800
the green. Two putts done, It's done, It's over. I've

653
00:38:28,880 --> 00:38:30,880
never been on such a wild rune. I was exhausted.

654
00:38:31,199 --> 00:38:33,440
I mean I had other people tell me this. It

655
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:37,159
flat out exhausted. And I'm not sure that here we

656
00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:41,880
are talking today, nine days later, I'm not sure. And

657
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:44,719
I've been to Hilton Head for another riveting tournament, by

658
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:49,800
the way, that had its own long journey back to

659
00:38:50,199 --> 00:38:52,920
a super ending with JT. But I'm not sure I'm

660
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,719
over the Masters yet. I'm really not sure i am.

661
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:59,440
It was that big. It was so powerful.

662
00:39:01,199 --> 00:39:07,159
Speaker 2: It was the emotion that he shared, the vulnerability that

663
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:12,079
he shared. I have not spoken to a person yet

664
00:39:12,159 --> 00:39:16,119
that didn't react the same way that they started crying to.

665
00:39:17,559 --> 00:39:20,360
Speaker 1: I tried to, well, we had a long stretch where

666
00:39:21,199 --> 00:39:24,440
no one needs to tell us otherwise your instincts take over.

667
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:28,199
There's nothing you can say after he's holed out other

668
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:31,719
than for a brief moment to recognize what a gentleman

669
00:39:32,360 --> 00:39:37,880
Justin Rose is and give him his due, but then

670
00:39:38,079 --> 00:39:42,079
layout until it feels like it's an appropriate time to

671
00:39:42,119 --> 00:39:45,599
reinsert yourself has died down enough. And it was I

672
00:39:45,679 --> 00:39:50,639
think seven minutes of just amazing up close with Rory

673
00:39:50,800 --> 00:39:55,159
and beautifully framed by our production team. But one of

674
00:39:55,199 --> 00:39:59,039
the first things I said was, what you just witnessed

675
00:39:59,079 --> 00:40:04,400
on that eighteen green was as real and authentic a

676
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:08,840
reaction as anything you'll ever see. There was no punching

677
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,920
in the air, as if I'm not saying other people have,

678
00:40:12,079 --> 00:40:16,320
but there was no pre planned reaction shot. I'm not

679
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:19,280
again accusing anybody who ever done that. He just collapsed.

680
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,960
Weight had just been so immense for so long, and

681
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:28,199
he let us in of how much not only did

682
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,639
it mean to him, but what a burden he had

683
00:40:31,639 --> 00:40:35,239
been carrying all this time. It was just as real

684
00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,760
as anything you'll ever see. And I tried to identify

685
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:39,199
that right on the spot.

686
00:40:39,920 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 2: There've already been articles. Is like Nance didn't say anything

687
00:40:42,599 --> 00:40:45,840
for four minutes. It's like he probably is caught up

688
00:40:45,840 --> 00:40:46,440
in the moment.

689
00:40:48,400 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 1: If I tried to say something over that, Fred, you

690
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:55,280
can only sully one of the great scenes that sport

691
00:40:55,280 --> 00:40:59,320
would ever deliver any sport, like trying to talk over

692
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:04,039
the crowd, channing his name and hearing the reaction when

693
00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,320
he's hugging Shane Lowry or any number of people that

694
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,440
were in that human tunnel on the way from the

695
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:16,360
green to scoring again, that's just it's the right play.

696
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:18,400
There is no other play there. I wouldn't even think

697
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:20,119
about trying to jump in the middle of that.

698
00:41:20,679 --> 00:41:24,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, good for you. That's skills. And I can't imagine

699
00:41:25,039 --> 00:41:27,880
what the production team was going through in that last hour,

700
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:33,000
the energy, the buzz, the excitement did Everyone's probably slapping

701
00:41:33,079 --> 00:41:35,239
high fives, looking at each other with their eyes bugging

702
00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,000
out of their head.

703
00:41:37,039 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: Well, when Rory missed the putt on the seventy hole

704
00:41:42,119 --> 00:41:45,880
and you know, tapped it in for a bogie and

705
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:49,719
now we're heading to a playoff, all you can do

706
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:54,800
is wonder, you've just seen a pretty big meltdown at

707
00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:57,559
thirteen and eighteen. By the way, in the middle of that,

708
00:41:57,639 --> 00:41:59,039
it was one of the greatest shots of not the

709
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:03,400
greatest shot of his life into fifteen, that swooping seven

710
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,679
iron that barely cleared and hopped up there to within

711
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:08,719
about five feet of the hole. Only then and have

712
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:13,440
him miss it. Had he made that putt, tournament's probably over. Yeah,

713
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:15,519
came over, he's got two shot lead with three to play.

714
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:22,239
But it was, you know, it was just trying to

715
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:26,920
wrap your mind around the fact that Rosie has just

716
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,239
beat him by seven shots in regulation. He's on a roll.

717
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:36,440
Rory could have been almost inconsolable at that point, but

718
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:40,960
he's got to reinvent himself, reboot and go back out

719
00:42:41,079 --> 00:42:44,119
and play for the Green jacket. And thankfully Harry Diamond

720
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:47,599
said to him, Hey, on Monday, if someone would have

721
00:42:47,679 --> 00:42:50,320
told you you get to go play one hole in

722
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,480
a playoff for the Green jacket, you would have taken it.

723
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:58,000
And even Rory said that clicked in and got him

724
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:00,679
in a better frame of mind. What did he do?

725
00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:05,840
Striped the t shot, Rosie went first, hit a remarkable

726
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:11,519
second shot in there, and then Rory, I mean, wasn't

727
00:43:11,559 --> 00:43:14,239
going to hit it right this time too? That bunker

728
00:43:15,079 --> 00:43:17,840
and here it comes off the slope. I mean it

729
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:22,679
was you said it. I mean, what's better? I've seen

730
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:27,119
forty masters. I walked into my very first year Jack

731
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:31,960
Nicholas's historic six green jacket. Can't be better than that,

732
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:35,800
can it. I mean, I know there's recency bias, so

733
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,760
that's pretty special. Then you had the Tiger two most

734
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:45,199
high profile of his five wins, ninety seven and twenty nineteen,

735
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:49,039
a win for the ages, the return to glory, whatever

736
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:57,119
those were, particularly the last one unexpected and that was

737
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:00,199
competitively tight and kind of got settled down at the

738
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,760
twelve hole down at Amen Corner. But there's so many

739
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:07,440
twists and turns to this one. Is there anything ever

740
00:44:07,480 --> 00:44:10,320
better than this? Or is this just recency bias?

741
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think it's way up there.

742
00:44:15,960 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's definitely way up there. It might be it's

743
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,320
top four for me in my okay, in my forty years.

744
00:44:24,440 --> 00:44:28,159
If I had seventy five, which was another Nicholas win

745
00:44:28,320 --> 00:44:32,079
and Jack's fifth as he battled to the wire with

746
00:44:32,119 --> 00:44:36,360
Wiscoffin Miller, that that would have been up there too.

747
00:44:37,159 --> 00:44:40,239
But I'm just saying my forty year window from eighty

748
00:44:40,320 --> 00:44:46,400
six on, it's top four, most compelling, exciting. It probably

749
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:47,920
is the most compelling.

750
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:50,719
Speaker 2: Right for golfers and non golfers.

751
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:58,199
Speaker 1: Yes, it's just it was great. Seven win was so historical.

752
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:03,559
There was not a competitiveness to it. You know, he

753
00:45:03,599 --> 00:45:09,840
won by twelve shots, so it was classical storytelling and

754
00:45:09,880 --> 00:45:13,960
a massively important event that transcended the sport, really, but

755
00:45:14,119 --> 00:45:18,159
it was such a thrill to be there. It's funny

756
00:45:18,800 --> 00:45:23,159
April thirteenth if you're a numerologist, that was the Sunday

757
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:28,400
this year April to thirteenth has produced the best Masters.

758
00:45:28,840 --> 00:45:33,920
It really has Jack and seventy five, Jack in eighty six,

759
00:45:35,239 --> 00:45:39,920
Tiger in ninety seven, I believe, Tiger in twenty nineteen,

760
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:46,840
and Rory in twenty twenty five. April the thirteenth is

761
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:51,840
the Sunday of all Sunday dates. As you know, the

762
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:55,639
Masters ends barring weather, on the second Sunday in April,

763
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:59,360
so it's going to be either in April eighth, ninth, tenth, eleven, twelve, thirteenth,

764
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:04,159
or fourteenth. But April the thirteenth is the trigger date

765
00:46:05,119 --> 00:46:06,840
of the greatest Masters ever played.

766
00:46:08,079 --> 00:46:09,800
Speaker 2: But we don't want to look at the calendar for

767
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:12,800
the future April thirteenth and circle it, going, Oh, this

768
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:13,199
is going to.

769
00:46:13,239 --> 00:46:16,000
Speaker 1: Be fun next time, I'll be ready for it. I

770
00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:18,320
should have said it on the air, I always know,

771
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,760
kind of back on my mind, my Boyfredd. A couple's

772
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:25,000
won on an April the twelfth, which was very special.

773
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:28,519
In nineteen ninety two, Sevy had an April thirteenth win.

774
00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:32,039
These are the kinds of things that are circling in

775
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:35,119
my head, Fred, that I can never let go for

776
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:42,360
whatever reason, all things masters. I have devoured the history books,

777
00:46:42,360 --> 00:46:46,760
the record books. I just love it.

778
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: Man, it is You're part of it.

779
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: Well, it's just the greatest event.

780
00:46:51,320 --> 00:46:54,079
Speaker 2: And has there been a sporting event that you called

781
00:46:54,199 --> 00:46:58,639
that you got emotional about that you felt like, I'm

782
00:46:58,679 --> 00:47:00,480
just not going to talk as I can't right now.

783
00:47:01,239 --> 00:47:05,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, do this very event that we just watched really? Oh?

784
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,920
During that walk? Yeah, I mean I was definitely choked

785
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,760
up and I even had a hint of it in

786
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:21,280
but butler cabin when I asked him about his parents.

787
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:25,760
I wasn't trying to make him cry, but just coming

788
00:47:25,800 --> 00:47:30,719
from someone that will forever cherish the fact that I

789
00:47:30,760 --> 00:47:35,840
had two loving parents who nurtured and you know, my

790
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:39,199
dream believed in me. I'm always a sucker for the

791
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:43,199
family story. It's just the way I'm wired. I will

792
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:47,239
tell you I battled the allergies that week at Augusta,

793
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,280
and a lot of people did, but it was really

794
00:47:50,440 --> 00:47:54,760
heavily in my voice. And we have a you know,

795
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,360
ninety nine percent of what you're doing is not on camera,

796
00:47:57,480 --> 00:47:59,800
so you have an ability to cut your mic and

797
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:05,320
it's called a cough cough but I could barely get

798
00:48:05,559 --> 00:48:09,079
two sentences together without having to hit the cough switch. Oh.

799
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:12,880
Then sometimes it could be a coughing fit that could

800
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:16,400
go on for thirty seconds before I could have my

801
00:48:16,519 --> 00:48:19,239
voice back to be able to pick up the moment.

802
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:26,599
And I went into Sunday with that epic matchup between

803
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:29,039
Rory and Bryson. Is this the day all of that,

804
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:32,800
really fretting over whether or not I could do Butler

805
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:36,519
Cabins screen jacket ceremony, because if I had one of

806
00:48:36,559 --> 00:48:39,400
those coughing attacks, you can't stop it.

807
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:41,599
Speaker 2: No cough switch there, There.

808
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:44,400
Speaker 1: Was no cough switch, and there's nowhere to hide you're

809
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:50,119
on camera. So we had a backup plan. I'm actually

810
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:52,599
giving you a little bit of news here, not that

811
00:48:52,639 --> 00:48:55,840
it's earth shattering, but we had a backup plan, and

812
00:48:55,880 --> 00:49:00,880
Trevor was just off camera, ready to jump in there

813
00:49:00,920 --> 00:49:03,440
in jacket and tie if I had to get up

814
00:49:03,440 --> 00:49:08,239
and walk out of it. So, for whatever reason, I

815
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:11,000
felt strong that day with my voice. Saturday was a

816
00:49:11,159 --> 00:49:14,800
disaster in terms of trying to deliver clean lines without

817
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,960
hitting the cough switch and overnight Saturday was tough. I

818
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,840
couldn't sleep. The tickle of my voice from the pollen

819
00:49:21,039 --> 00:49:25,159
was just overtaking me. So I said, we've got to

820
00:49:25,239 --> 00:49:29,039
have a plan here. We can't ask anybody else to

821
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:32,079
take us off the air. The champion can't say, you know,

822
00:49:32,159 --> 00:49:35,280
that's a good night from Augusta, Georgia. It needs to

823
00:49:35,320 --> 00:49:39,559
be somebody from CBS. So with about thirty minutes to go,

824
00:49:41,559 --> 00:49:45,039
Seller said, do you think you can do this? And

825
00:49:45,079 --> 00:49:47,440
I said, I think I actually think I can't. I'm

826
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:50,800
going to talk a little slower than I normally do

827
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:54,920
and just basically deliver a line, kind of clear my

828
00:49:55,000 --> 00:49:58,920
voice a little bit and resume and I got through it.

829
00:50:00,039 --> 00:50:02,719
And a lot of people thought they heard a ton

830
00:50:02,760 --> 00:50:07,039
of emotion in my voice. A lot of that was

831
00:50:08,079 --> 00:50:12,800
just trying to fight back the allergies. We're here in

832
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:18,000
Butler cabin, you know, kind of swallow and clear your throat,

833
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:23,599
Chairman Ridley, what a tournament was? And I got through

834
00:50:23,679 --> 00:50:27,880
that without an issue, Thank goodness, Thank the Lord. The

835
00:50:27,920 --> 00:50:30,480
second I signed off, I went into a coughing fit

836
00:50:30,559 --> 00:50:38,440
that lasted about a minute. But I can't time these things.

837
00:50:40,119 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: We just kind of talked about your top four Masters.

838
00:50:45,639 --> 00:50:48,519
When I ask you for the top four events sports

839
00:50:48,559 --> 00:50:51,960
events that you've called, is it just the Masters or

840
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:54,400
do you have some other moments that will hit that

841
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:54,920
top four.

842
00:50:55,199 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: Most meaningful moment of my career was when Fred Couples

843
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:02,760
won the Masters in nineteen ninety two. As you know,

844
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:06,639
we went to Houston together. We shared a four person

845
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:10,079
suite for two of those years. Fred left after our

846
00:51:10,199 --> 00:51:15,719
junior year. We roomed with Blaine McAllister, five time Tour

847
00:51:15,800 --> 00:51:18,159
winner John Horn, who was a two year player on

848
00:51:18,199 --> 00:51:20,800
the tour back in the late eighties, and we all

849
00:51:20,800 --> 00:51:23,119
were very close and we still are, all of us.

850
00:51:23,880 --> 00:51:27,599
And to see someone realize their dream and openly talk

851
00:51:27,639 --> 00:51:31,039
about during your college years, how he wants to win

852
00:51:31,079 --> 00:51:33,440
the Masters, how I want to be there to broadcast

853
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,840
the Masters, and then for us to actually play out,

854
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:40,760
and you're now interviewing him in Butler Cabin, very deeply personal.

855
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:43,800
That's my favorite sporting event of all time for me.

856
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:48,800
But on my short list, I would have to put

857
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:51,000
some you know, I'd have to put at least one

858
00:51:51,079 --> 00:51:54,679
Super Bowl in there, called seven of them, and at

859
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,639
least one National Championship game in college basketball, because all

860
00:51:58,679 --> 00:52:02,639
of these three parties have been a big part of

861
00:52:02,639 --> 00:52:07,960
my life. Probably the super Bowl, here we go, there

862
00:52:08,000 --> 00:52:11,559
you go, it's almost left the building.

863
00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:13,920
Speaker 2: Paulin has arrived two weeks.

864
00:52:14,199 --> 00:52:22,159
Speaker 1: But the forty nine Ers Kansas City super Bowl just

865
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:25,280
a year and a half ago that went overtime, was

866
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,920
an amazing game to call. Really proud of that show

867
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:32,159
with Tony Romo, that would have to be right up there.

868
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 2: I was watching that game from a cattle auction house

869
00:52:37,039 --> 00:52:42,760
in Costa Rica. We had put together a group from

870
00:52:42,800 --> 00:52:47,800
my wife's her seventieth birthday, and we went with twelve

871
00:52:47,840 --> 00:52:51,079
friends for a two week trip to Costa Rica. And

872
00:52:51,119 --> 00:52:54,239
it's like, but wait a minute, the Niners are in

873
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,360
the super Bowl and we're from San Francisco. It's like

874
00:52:56,519 --> 00:52:59,119
our teens in the super Bowl. So we went to

875
00:52:59,159 --> 00:53:05,000
this bar that was a cattle auction So it was

876
00:53:05,679 --> 00:53:06,639
painful for us.

877
00:53:06,639 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: And I'm glad you saw it. It was the most

878
00:53:09,039 --> 00:53:14,079
show in the history of television and such an honor

879
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:16,760
to call it. San Francisco went down and overtime kicked

880
00:53:16,760 --> 00:53:20,400
the field goal, and then the Chiefs marched down had

881
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:22,559
a chance, of course, to have their own possession and

882
00:53:22,599 --> 00:53:24,760
they want it with a touchdown pass from my home

883
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,039
to Miicale Harbon. Yeah, I know i'd have to. I'm sorry.

884
00:53:29,559 --> 00:53:32,119
Speaker 2: And please don't bring up Kirk Gibson home run either,

885
00:53:32,159 --> 00:53:35,360
all right, I mean, come on, beat me up here.

886
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 1: I'm sorry the Giant fan, you get.

887
00:53:40,079 --> 00:53:42,480
Speaker 2: An ACE fan. I was an A's fan at the time.

888
00:53:43,199 --> 00:53:47,880
Speaker 1: It was only nineteen eighty eight. Yes, yeah, so yeah.

889
00:53:48,039 --> 00:53:51,559
Speaker 2: God. You talk about the pacing, and the pacing you're

890
00:53:51,599 --> 00:53:53,960
having during an allergy attack is one thing, but you're

891
00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:58,239
pacing for golf is obviously going to be very different

892
00:53:58,320 --> 00:54:04,440
than the National chanceampionship in basketball. Do you prefer one

893
00:54:04,559 --> 00:54:06,840
over the other as far as your pace.

894
00:54:07,239 --> 00:54:09,519
Speaker 1: I just think that the golf is at more of

895
00:54:09,559 --> 00:54:13,679
a conversational pace, kind of how we're talking right now.

896
00:54:14,519 --> 00:54:19,840
So that's more like just being normal than the excitability

897
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,119
that comes it's not. I mean, I love the energy

898
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:25,480
that's in a football call or a basketball call, but

899
00:54:25,559 --> 00:54:29,400
it's up and down and you're talking at a pace

900
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,760
that the game is delivering. It's quick, very different, and

901
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:35,079
I like that. But I do think that there's a

902
00:54:35,119 --> 00:54:39,719
bigger challenge in trying to make the most out of

903
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:42,320
a small window in golf until you get to the

904
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:45,159
end where everything's on the eighteenth hole where you're residing.

905
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:49,000
There's a lot of ping ponging and back and forth. Yeah,

906
00:54:50,760 --> 00:54:55,199
here's Scheffler for Bertie at twelve. He's six hundred for

907
00:54:55,239 --> 00:54:58,480
the day, moves within two over to fourteen. You know,

908
00:54:58,719 --> 00:55:03,440
that's just pure recalling. That is not the art of

909
00:55:03,559 --> 00:55:06,360
storytelling where you can insert a story about the people

910
00:55:07,079 --> 00:55:10,360
that the subjects that you're covering. But I do enjoy

911
00:55:10,400 --> 00:55:13,639
the challenge of trying to keep it fresh and golf.

912
00:55:13,679 --> 00:55:17,960
Tiger was a problem. And I say that because he

913
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:21,880
won so often. He won fifty seven of his eighty

914
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:26,239
two wins on CBS, fifty seven of eighty two nine

915
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:30,320
of his fifteen majors were on our air. That's fifty

916
00:55:30,360 --> 00:55:33,400
seven times I walked him up eighteen A great many

917
00:55:33,440 --> 00:55:37,559
of them. He was winning in runaway victories. How do

918
00:55:37,599 --> 00:55:39,599
you keep it fresh? How do you say something he

919
00:55:39,599 --> 00:55:42,320
didn't say two weeks or three weeks ago, or for

920
00:55:42,519 --> 00:55:46,280
the last five weeks or whatever, that's a new fresh

921
00:55:46,320 --> 00:55:51,360
twist on Tiger and his greatness. So it was challenging.

922
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:55,239
It wasn't easy if you really want to be good

923
00:55:55,280 --> 00:55:58,440
and keep your audience informed and tell them new things,

924
00:55:59,119 --> 00:56:02,519
have a new way of space. You know, he created

925
00:56:03,239 --> 00:56:06,519
a great challenge because of just his dominance.

926
00:56:06,559 --> 00:56:09,679
Speaker 2: Right, I mean there was no competitive storyline, you know

927
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,480
like we had with with Rory and Bryce. And when

928
00:56:12,480 --> 00:56:14,679
he's running away with it, where do you go? I mean,

929
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:17,440
like when you watch an NBA game and it's a blowout,

930
00:56:17,760 --> 00:56:20,199
or even a baseball game and it's a blowout, you

931
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,719
can tell when the announcers are like freaking out because

932
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,719
they got to come up with random stories.

933
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:26,440
Speaker 1: It is harder to do.

934
00:56:26,559 --> 00:56:27,880
Speaker 2: It makes it so much harder.

935
00:56:28,280 --> 00:56:31,960
Speaker 1: Blowouts are hard to do. Football games that are blowouts.

936
00:56:32,320 --> 00:56:36,880
Speaker 2: Not easy to do. But the pacing of golf like

937
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:41,480
like like the pacing of baseball, although baseball pacing changed

938
00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:44,800
with the shot the pitch clock. You know, I would

939
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:48,000
think that Vince Gully would have been really had a

940
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:51,400
difficult time with the pitch clock because of his pacing

941
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,000
and his storytelling, and baseball and golf probably lead to

942
00:56:55,039 --> 00:56:56,800
storytelling better than any other sports.

943
00:56:56,840 --> 00:56:59,800
Speaker 1: I agree, one hundred percent. I think they're very similar,

944
00:57:00,079 --> 00:57:05,159
and that they what they give you, the forum they

945
00:57:05,199 --> 00:57:07,920
give you to show off your skill set.

946
00:57:08,199 --> 00:57:11,719
Speaker 2: I agree, Yeah, yeah, hard thing to do.

947
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:14,280
Speaker 1: By the way, we had at Hilton Head on Sunday.

948
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:18,000
Our opening teas was narrated by Vin Scully and it

949
00:57:18,039 --> 00:57:22,079
was so clever. A young production team that put it together.

950
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:28,840
They lifted Vin's teas copy and voice wasn't Ai, but

951
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,880
it was from a te's from forty years ago. Vin

952
00:57:32,599 --> 00:57:34,960
was the CBS golf anchor, I want to say until

953
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:39,840
nineteen maybe eighty three somewhere around there, so at least

954
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:45,199
forty years ago, and they took his copy and his

955
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:48,320
voice and they used it over our opening to the

956
00:57:48,400 --> 00:57:51,760
Sunday at the RBC Heritage. Very cool. I love. I

957
00:57:51,760 --> 00:57:54,639
played golf of Vin Scully a few times l Air

958
00:57:54,719 --> 00:57:57,760
Country Club. It was a lefty really yeah, I had

959
00:57:57,840 --> 00:58:00,199
great regard for Vin. Back when you walk to the

960
00:58:00,199 --> 00:58:04,800
clubhouse now at at bel Air, it's one of the

961
00:58:04,800 --> 00:58:08,039
first pictures on the wall there as the two us

962
00:58:08,039 --> 00:58:10,840
walking off and caps in the air and looking up

963
00:58:10,840 --> 00:58:13,280
at somebody who took the picture from the swinging bridge

964
00:58:13,840 --> 00:58:17,519
looking down. So extremely honored to be in that photo

965
00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:18,440
with mister Scully.

966
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,440
Speaker 2: Yep, mister Scully. I had a chance to meet him

967
00:58:21,480 --> 00:58:26,679
as well, crazily at my brother's bachelor party. He was

968
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:29,880
there because Rick Monday was friend of my brother and

969
00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:32,480
his bost friend. And Rick said, Vinnie, I'm going to

970
00:58:32,480 --> 00:58:35,119
a bachelor party. You want to come? Yeah? Sure? There

971
00:58:35,119 --> 00:58:39,679
I am sitting across the table from Vince Scully like, okay, fine,

972
00:58:40,360 --> 00:58:43,960
what did you say to Fred Couples this week? This

973
00:58:44,039 --> 00:58:47,159
past week at the Masters after he made that hole

974
00:58:47,199 --> 00:58:50,679
on he holed out from sixteen with a hybrid.

975
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:56,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, fourteen, yeah, fourteen fourteen, No, six right, didn't get

976
00:58:56,199 --> 00:58:59,199
to talk to him after ohund he also hold a

977
00:58:59,239 --> 00:59:02,719
put from off the won that day, then to hold

978
00:59:02,760 --> 00:59:06,599
the second shot at fourteen. But I do know that

979
00:59:06,719 --> 00:59:10,199
he was extremely disappointed that he didn't make the cut.

980
00:59:10,440 --> 00:59:14,599
He was about to advance his own record of the

981
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:17,239
oldest to ever make the cut. He made it two

982
00:59:17,320 --> 00:59:19,960
years ago at sixty three. He was ready to take

983
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:23,679
it to sixty five and a half and it just

984
00:59:23,719 --> 00:59:25,880
got away from him. The last six holes, I think

985
00:59:25,880 --> 00:59:28,920
it was three over, and I know he was just

986
00:59:29,239 --> 00:59:35,039
extremely upset about that. But he'll be back and don't

987
00:59:35,039 --> 00:59:37,280
put it past him to make the cut a few

988
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:40,280
more times before it's all said and done. He lives

989
00:59:40,320 --> 00:59:43,239
for that tournament. I know exactly since the first day

990
00:59:43,280 --> 00:59:46,360
I met him, how much it means and what he's feeling.

991
00:59:47,000 --> 00:59:49,199
I think we're wired the same in many ways. And

992
00:59:49,239 --> 00:59:53,159
one thing that I know we are wired in identical

993
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:58,239
fashion is that our year. Our year is measured on

994
00:59:58,320 --> 01:00:04,119
a Master's calendar, not the normal Jan one through December

995
01:00:04,159 --> 01:00:09,159
thirty one calendar. Day one of my year is the

996
01:00:09,199 --> 01:00:14,440
Monday after the Masters. So we're talking right now, basically

997
01:00:14,480 --> 01:00:19,480
on day nine, because three sixty five is the Sunday

998
01:00:19,519 --> 01:00:22,199
of the Masters. All roads lead up to that weekend

999
01:00:22,800 --> 01:00:25,119
and that event. In my mind, that's how I look

1000
01:00:25,159 --> 01:00:25,599
at the year.

1001
01:00:25,760 --> 01:00:27,280
Speaker 2: That's the end of your year.

1002
01:00:27,320 --> 01:00:29,320
Speaker 1: That's the end of my year. I'm building up to

1003
01:00:29,400 --> 01:00:33,960
that all year long. Wow, So I'm nine days closer

1004
01:00:34,000 --> 01:00:35,480
to the Masters Sunday now.

1005
01:00:35,599 --> 01:00:38,639
Speaker 2: And for everybody else that's the beginning of the year.

1006
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,880
It's like, okay, now we can all go play golf.

1007
01:00:41,559 --> 01:00:47,119
Speaker 1: Right. It's amazing how it's become so much a symbol

1008
01:00:47,840 --> 01:00:52,880
of the passage of the season and the oncoming of spring.

1009
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:56,760
It used to be the baseball season starting right and

1010
01:00:56,800 --> 01:00:59,079
all of that. I really do think the Masters has

1011
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:03,920
become that that symbol of spring is in the air

1012
01:01:04,039 --> 01:01:13,119
for everybody, even non golfers. No, I got to tell

1013
01:01:13,119 --> 01:01:17,639
you one story that I got to mention it a

1014
01:01:17,639 --> 01:01:19,639
few times on the air. I'm going to cuse something

1015
01:01:19,719 --> 01:01:26,000
up here for you. But okay, after the twenty four Masters,

1016
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:29,039
I made a vow to myself. I'm going to find

1017
01:01:29,159 --> 01:01:35,320
Dave Loggins, the writer, creator of the Augusta Melody, wherever

1018
01:01:35,400 --> 01:01:39,480
he is. I'm going to find him and thank him

1019
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:43,079
for that cut of music because it really I feel

1020
01:01:43,199 --> 01:01:47,639
kind of my voice conforms with that music and that melody.

1021
01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:49,480
If someone had to write a piece of music that

1022
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:52,079
would kind of fit with my voice, I feel like

1023
01:01:52,159 --> 01:01:53,800
that no one could come up with anything better than

1024
01:01:53,840 --> 01:01:54,800
the Augusta Melody.

1025
01:01:55,000 --> 01:01:57,679
Speaker 2: I couldn't agree with you more. And may I press

1026
01:01:57,679 --> 01:01:58,639
this button right here?

1027
01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,800
Speaker 1: Is that real? Or is it just playing like it

1028
01:02:05,840 --> 01:02:06,679
always does?

1029
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,719
Speaker 2: No, I'm playing that for you, my friend.

1030
01:02:10,960 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 1: That's something.

1031
01:02:16,280 --> 01:02:18,079
Speaker 2: We both have it queued up, ready to go.

1032
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:27,920
Speaker 1: I hear it all the time. So I'm a guy

1033
01:02:27,920 --> 01:02:30,920
that has a to do list, and I'm a doer.

1034
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:34,719
People say that know me that I'm a busside balance

1035
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:37,320
a lot of different things. I have businesses I have

1036
01:02:38,679 --> 01:02:40,960
and of course I have being a dad. The greatest

1037
01:02:40,960 --> 01:02:44,199
gift of all. But I have an Alzheimer's Center in

1038
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,599
Houston that's named after my father that we created and

1039
01:02:48,239 --> 01:02:51,400
founded and that I think it might be the greatest

1040
01:02:51,599 --> 01:02:54,920
top five anyway research institute in the world for Alzheimer's.

1041
01:02:55,320 --> 01:02:57,159
Got a wine business, I've got a lot of things going.

1042
01:02:57,199 --> 01:02:58,480
I got my own job going.

1043
01:02:58,559 --> 01:02:59,880
Speaker 2: And thank you for at the center.

1044
01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 1: Thank you. It's such a positive, glorious thing in my

1045
01:03:04,920 --> 01:03:10,000
life where good things are happening and finally getting progress

1046
01:03:10,679 --> 01:03:17,159
and what has been pretty difficult world to crack the code,

1047
01:03:17,199 --> 01:03:22,440
so to speak. So anyway, I had Dave Logains on

1048
01:03:22,480 --> 01:03:28,320
my checklist to call and thank him, just make an introduction.

1049
01:03:29,400 --> 01:03:31,519
I happened to be at the Scottish Open in July

1050
01:03:32,320 --> 01:03:35,880
last summer when I get word that Dave Loggains had

1051
01:03:35,920 --> 01:03:41,679
passed away, and I was so sad in to hear

1052
01:03:41,719 --> 01:03:45,320
of the news and so down on myself for not

1053
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:49,480
ever closing the loop. Then I read all the tributes

1054
01:03:49,519 --> 01:03:52,880
and o bits and come to find out he lives

1055
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:56,280
right down the road from me in Nashville. It was

1056
01:03:56,360 --> 01:04:00,400
right here. Could have easily met him for lunch. It

1057
01:04:00,519 --> 01:04:04,480
would have meant the world to me. Ye, So before

1058
01:04:04,519 --> 01:04:09,480
the Masters. I got a phone number for one of

1059
01:04:09,519 --> 01:04:14,000
his sons. He has three boys and Kyle. I called

1060
01:04:14,079 --> 01:04:17,280
Kyle and made an introduction and just told him how

1061
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:19,800
much I think about his dad, And then I was

1062
01:04:19,800 --> 01:04:21,960
going to have his dad front of mine this year

1063
01:04:22,000 --> 01:04:24,360
at the Master's Tournament. I wanted him to know that

1064
01:04:26,000 --> 01:04:27,519
I asked him to tell me a little bit about

1065
01:04:27,519 --> 01:04:34,639
his dad. He was a prolific writer and you know,

1066
01:04:34,840 --> 01:04:40,400
songwriter and performer. He never could have imagined that that

1067
01:04:40,519 --> 01:04:43,119
song would be something that I would outlive him. And

1068
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:47,039
it's gonna outlive him forever. I mean, I think until

1069
01:04:47,039 --> 01:04:50,159
the end of time that that song will always be

1070
01:04:50,199 --> 01:04:53,719
a part of the Master's Tournament. It better be it

1071
01:04:53,800 --> 01:04:57,400
better be right. And anyway, he told me a sweet

1072
01:04:57,440 --> 01:05:02,199
story that on Master Sunday he watched every minute of

1073
01:05:02,199 --> 01:05:05,480
it with his three sons. That was a family tradition,

1074
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:08,679
and he gets such a thrill every time it came on.

1075
01:05:08,840 --> 01:05:13,800
And occasionally I would make allusions to Dave Loggins and

1076
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:18,519
the lyrics to this start out with the springtime in

1077
01:05:18,599 --> 01:05:23,800
the Valley on Magnolia Lane. It's the Augusta National and

1078
01:05:23,840 --> 01:05:28,679
the Masters of the Game, and there's a there's a

1079
01:05:28,679 --> 01:05:33,639
a portion of the lyrics there that plays over and

1080
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:39,280
over again, Augusta, your dogwoods and pines. They play on

1081
01:05:39,519 --> 01:05:45,320
my mind like a song. So I said something on

1082
01:05:45,440 --> 01:05:49,880
Saturday's opening, and then I mentioned him on Sunday, and

1083
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,719
you know, I could have done ten minutes on it,

1084
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:55,960
but there's a live golf tournament to cover.

1085
01:05:56,280 --> 01:05:59,440
Speaker 2: Oh by the way, Yeah, by the way, I.

1086
01:06:01,000 --> 01:06:03,960
Speaker 1: Thought of Dave Logans so much this year. Every time

1087
01:06:04,039 --> 01:06:10,599
that melody played, I tried to somehow bring him in.

1088
01:06:11,639 --> 01:06:15,960
And people are really curious about that song when they

1089
01:06:16,000 --> 01:06:20,199
hear it. Now it's become the longest running sports theme

1090
01:06:22,800 --> 01:06:28,960
in television history. Sure you know there's other major.

1091
01:06:28,800 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 2: From Monday Night Football theme changes seems to change.

1092
01:06:32,719 --> 01:06:37,599
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I mean there were some years where it's continuous.

1093
01:06:37,679 --> 01:06:41,400
Now they still do that. Now it's back now. There

1094
01:06:41,480 --> 01:06:45,800
was some years where they didn't have that recognizable and

1095
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,239
that started in seventy one. This started in eighty one,

1096
01:06:48,519 --> 01:06:52,760
but it's been continuous and it was just a great

1097
01:06:52,760 --> 01:06:54,639
part of it all means.

1098
01:06:54,199 --> 01:06:57,039
Speaker 2: A ton to me, and an event like any other,

1099
01:06:57,760 --> 01:07:02,760
unlike any other, unlike any other, unlike any other that

1100
01:07:02,920 --> 01:07:05,840
just roll off your tongue or was that a team decision.

1101
01:07:06,159 --> 01:07:07,119
Where did that come from?

1102
01:07:07,199 --> 01:07:10,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a collaboration. Came out in eighty six.

1103
01:07:11,360 --> 01:07:14,480
I was shooting some promos with a great guy named

1104
01:07:14,480 --> 01:07:18,920
Doug Toohey's passed on. He was our creative producer. I

1105
01:07:19,000 --> 01:07:21,960
give Doug credit for that one, I really do. He

1106
01:07:22,039 --> 01:07:25,079
was an amazing man and I was just a young pup.

1107
01:07:25,119 --> 01:07:27,920
Frank Chirkinnyan had brought me down to shoot some promos

1108
01:07:27,920 --> 01:07:31,400
and advance of my first Master's Tournament. And that's the

1109
01:07:31,440 --> 01:07:34,440
first place that I ever uttered a tradition unlike any

1110
01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,960
other the Masters on CBS. On those promos, I know,

1111
01:07:39,039 --> 01:07:42,559
I've been given the chance to popularize it or people

1112
01:07:42,559 --> 01:07:47,199
have heard it leave my lips so many times. Really

1113
01:07:47,719 --> 01:07:52,559
honored by that line. Again, I think that's another one

1114
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:57,239
that will live forever, you know. I think it's part

1115
01:07:57,280 --> 01:08:02,760
of the whatever, the majesty of the Master's Tournament. But

1116
01:08:02,800 --> 01:08:08,719
I give Doug Towey credit for that and his amazing

1117
01:08:08,840 --> 01:08:11,400
vision of things that he did. He's the same guy

1118
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:17,119
that came up with the song that closes out every

1119
01:08:18,359 --> 01:08:23,640
national championship game, one Shining Moment and the college football

1120
01:08:23,680 --> 01:08:26,800
theme on CBS. And there are things that are still

1121
01:08:27,359 --> 01:08:29,640
around that that Doug came up with. He was a

1122
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:31,880
wonderful man, a brilliant, brilliant guy.

1123
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:38,159
Speaker 2: Part of the cinematic majesty it is is yeah, yeah,

1124
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:41,359
So when you were in college with Fred Couples, your roommates,

1125
01:08:41,720 --> 01:08:43,880
and he's like, I'm going to win the Masters, and

1126
01:08:43,920 --> 01:08:46,000
you're like, I'm going to be on CBS and your

1127
01:08:46,039 --> 01:08:48,800
friends are going here, drink this and shut up right.

1128
01:08:49,000 --> 01:08:51,840
I mean, can you take yourself back there and go,

1129
01:08:52,039 --> 01:08:54,079
oh my god, you guys we did it.

1130
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: A lot of times. I take myself back there, but

1131
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:01,079
I'm thankful for the fact that we never got belittled

1132
01:09:01,079 --> 01:09:04,520
for it. Really, you were a band of believers. You know,

1133
01:09:04,600 --> 01:09:08,279
the world is a lot snarkier. I guess you could say, now,

1134
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,960
oh yeah, you know where there's not It's not just doubt,

1135
01:09:12,119 --> 01:09:17,039
it's our second guessing. It's just it's just ridicule, and

1136
01:09:17,159 --> 01:09:20,319
it's it's part of a sense of humor. It's like,

1137
01:09:21,479 --> 01:09:26,720
it's just the way that the world has evolved. There

1138
01:09:26,800 --> 01:09:30,359
was a lot less of that cynicism when you know,

1139
01:09:30,399 --> 01:09:32,720
I showed up at school in the late seventies and

1140
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,760
if you said that you really wanted one day you

1141
01:09:34,880 --> 01:09:37,960
hope to work for CBS. They didn't laugh you under

1142
01:09:37,960 --> 01:09:40,800
the table, they didn't make fun of you or friend

1143
01:09:40,840 --> 01:09:42,479
said he's going to win the Masters. Yeah, and I'm

1144
01:09:42,479 --> 01:09:45,399
going to the moon. It wasn't like that. It was

1145
01:09:45,560 --> 01:09:49,399
it was total support. I do believe we were able

1146
01:09:49,439 --> 01:09:54,000
to siphon off of each other a lot of extremely

1147
01:09:54,560 --> 01:09:59,479
high level positive energy. I think that we I think

1148
01:09:59,520 --> 01:10:05,680
that we. I think we really both benefited from having

1149
01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,800
such big dreams and the fact that everybody made you

1150
01:10:09,840 --> 01:10:13,079
feel like that was going to happen. And I think

1151
01:10:13,119 --> 01:10:16,159
that holds true for Blaine. I mentioned Blaine. I love

1152
01:10:16,199 --> 01:10:20,319
Blaine McAllister special special friend, always will be in one

1153
01:10:20,319 --> 01:10:24,319
of my amigos, as close as I can be to

1154
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:30,720
any friends in those roommates of mine are there. It's

1155
01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:34,560
still all these years later, we're brothers and John Horne.

1156
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:39,079
But I do think that it helped me get to

1157
01:10:39,119 --> 01:10:42,520
where I wanted. I know I can speak, you know

1158
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:46,640
for what the impact was. In my case. My guys

1159
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:48,880
really believed I was gonna work for CBS one day.

1160
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,520
And it was not a sense of entitlement. It was

1161
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:57,920
not hey, get out of the way, this is this

1162
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,359
is this is going to happen. It was no sense

1163
01:11:01,399 --> 01:11:06,920
of entitlement whatsoever. But when you are emboldened by people

1164
01:11:06,960 --> 01:11:08,920
that look at you and believe in you. I got

1165
01:11:08,920 --> 01:11:11,880
that feedback from my parents since I was a little boy.

1166
01:11:12,199 --> 01:11:14,239
You go to college and you get that same kind

1167
01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:18,359
of positive feedback and they're getting it in return. You're

1168
01:11:18,359 --> 01:11:20,640
going to be broadcasting the Masters one day, and you're

1169
01:11:20,680 --> 01:11:25,359
going to win it. Guess what good things happen. We

1170
01:11:25,520 --> 01:11:32,199
lifted each other on our shoulders and we graduated from college.

1171
01:11:32,199 --> 01:11:34,039
Fred left a year early. But you felt like you're

1172
01:11:34,079 --> 01:11:35,760
ready to go out there and take on the world

1173
01:11:36,000 --> 01:11:39,479
and go figure out a way to get what it

1174
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:44,279
is that you want. And I was obsessive about the

1175
01:11:44,359 --> 01:11:46,880
idea of working for CPS. No, that's not a good

1176
01:11:46,920 --> 01:11:53,000
word strong and being obsessive is It has a lot

1177
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:54,560
of negativity.

1178
01:11:53,960 --> 01:11:57,720
Speaker 2: Sound to it, But not in this context.

1179
01:11:58,319 --> 01:12:01,319
Speaker 1: Not in this context. I was all in on it.

1180
01:12:01,399 --> 01:12:04,560
I took every opportunity that came my way to try

1181
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:09,960
to get experience and strengthen my career and get better

1182
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:12,840
at my craft, because all of it was about one

1183
01:12:12,880 --> 01:12:16,960
day hopefully being discovered by CBS. I'm just out here.

1184
01:12:17,079 --> 01:12:18,720
They don't know it yet, but I'm going to work

1185
01:12:18,720 --> 01:12:21,039
for them. One day, I'm going to work so hard

1186
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:23,760
that I'm going to figure it out. We were goal

1187
01:12:23,880 --> 01:12:26,479
minded individuals. Is the is the point of it all.

1188
01:12:27,119 --> 01:12:28,880
And this doesn't sound like a whole lot of fun,

1189
01:12:29,560 --> 01:12:35,199
but you know, we really went for our dreams. We

1190
01:12:35,199 --> 01:12:40,079
were not partiers. I'm going to tell you that. You know,

1191
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:44,199
we went to one party that I can remember our

1192
01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:48,760
entire college careers. We lived together the golf team in

1193
01:12:48,800 --> 01:12:51,720
the dorms. We went to a fraternity party. We were

1194
01:12:51,760 --> 01:12:55,119
invited one night. It was a night of a Muhammad

1195
01:12:55,119 --> 01:12:58,680
Ali Leon Spinks fight. And we got there and people

1196
01:12:58,720 --> 01:13:01,720
were drinking beer and they had invited a sorority over.

1197
01:13:01,840 --> 01:13:06,800
We're just a bunch of golf geeks and we all

1198
01:13:06,840 --> 01:13:08,680
were anxious to make sure we got back to watch

1199
01:13:08,720 --> 01:13:10,560
the fight. It was not on Close Circuit. In fact,

1200
01:13:10,600 --> 01:13:14,199
it was on CBS. The fight was, and we went in.

1201
01:13:14,399 --> 01:13:17,039
We weren't drinkers. We never drank through college, obviously, we

1202
01:13:17,039 --> 01:13:21,920
didn't smoke. We were out to be what we got

1203
01:13:22,000 --> 01:13:24,520
to school. We got the odds of getting to the

1204
01:13:24,520 --> 01:13:28,840
Houston golf program pretty long. Houston won sixteen out of

1205
01:13:28,840 --> 01:13:37,880
thirty national championships. We were serious amount our pursuit of goals.

1206
01:13:38,399 --> 01:13:40,079
And I can remember we went to this party. We

1207
01:13:40,079 --> 01:13:42,159
were there about thirty forty minutes. Didn't seem like a

1208
01:13:42,199 --> 01:13:44,239
whole lot of fun, and we said, let's get out

1209
01:13:44,279 --> 01:13:45,680
of here, Let's go back to the room and watch

1210
01:13:45,680 --> 01:13:49,359
the fight. And that marked the end of our social

1211
01:13:49,399 --> 01:13:52,079
life in college. That was it.

1212
01:13:58,199 --> 01:14:03,039
Speaker 2: While we're telling that story, newsblurb just popped up on

1213
01:14:03,079 --> 01:14:08,399
my kindle, my kindle, my tablet here and it said that, uh,

1214
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,720
the U, s g A and the RNA have just

1215
01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:17,279
named you the commissioner. So, mister commissioner, what's the first

1216
01:14:17,279 --> 01:14:19,920
thing you're going to do when you start? What rules

1217
01:14:19,920 --> 01:14:21,439
are you going to change? What are you going to do?

1218
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,760
Speaker 1: Who are you gonna ductor Fred? You know, you actually

1219
01:14:25,640 --> 01:14:27,000
absolutely had me on a hook.

1220
01:14:27,159 --> 01:14:30,199
Speaker 2: I would you were looking at me like, what are

1221
01:14:30,239 --> 01:14:30,920
you talking about?

1222
01:14:31,159 --> 01:14:34,119
Speaker 1: There's gonna be some sad news there of some sort.

1223
01:14:33,920 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 2: Of No, I'm just messing with you.

1224
01:14:36,319 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, there's a speed of play is a

1225
01:14:46,000 --> 01:14:49,159
big deal with me. And I think as the world

1226
01:14:49,239 --> 01:14:56,920
gets faster, and you know, people consume things in abbreviated,

1227
01:14:56,960 --> 01:15:03,279
abridged form, golf runs counter to what the way the

1228
01:15:03,319 --> 01:15:06,960
world is moving world is getting faster, and golf is

1229
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:12,760
stuck there on a long afternoon of waiting, playing four

1230
01:15:12,840 --> 01:15:16,680
or five hours, so it feels like it's an all

1231
01:15:16,760 --> 01:15:19,960
day affair for people to get into the game. I

1232
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,760
take the welfare of the game, and I don't know

1233
01:15:21,800 --> 01:15:24,319
how much you can accelerate it. I don't know that

1234
01:15:24,399 --> 01:15:28,479
you can shave an hour off of a round of golf,

1235
01:15:29,079 --> 01:15:33,800
but every little bit would help to move it up faster, faster.

1236
01:15:35,119 --> 01:15:38,479
I would try to figure out ways of trimming the

1237
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:42,399
amount of time that it takes to play around of golf.

1238
01:15:43,039 --> 01:15:45,319
One time Jack Nicholas told me, and I love Jack.

1239
01:15:46,319 --> 01:15:48,920
One time Jack said that he could see down the

1240
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:53,720
road the game being switched to twelve holes, where the

1241
01:15:53,840 --> 01:15:57,119
golf courses are built as twelve hole golf courses, and

1242
01:15:57,159 --> 01:16:01,239
I don't love he still feels that way. That creates

1243
01:16:01,239 --> 01:16:04,439
a problem with what's grandfathered in the old courses of

1244
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:08,359
the world. How would you rerout them? Would you reroute

1245
01:16:08,359 --> 01:16:10,000
them into three sets of six?

1246
01:16:10,159 --> 01:16:13,039
Speaker 2: You know, so you have I've always wondered about that.

1247
01:16:13,399 --> 01:16:15,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, to get back to the clubhouse in some of

1248
01:16:15,560 --> 01:16:17,960
these courses at twelve holes.

1249
01:16:18,840 --> 01:16:20,760
Speaker 2: A lot of people always complain about the fact that

1250
01:16:21,000 --> 01:16:23,920
golf just takes too much time. So instead of nine

1251
01:16:23,920 --> 01:16:26,880
to nine, going six, twelve, eighteen, Now you want to

1252
01:16:26,920 --> 01:16:28,159
go out for an hour and a half, go out

1253
01:16:28,199 --> 01:16:30,680
and you know, play six type of thing is like,

1254
01:16:30,960 --> 01:16:31,359
and if.

1255
01:16:31,239 --> 01:16:33,279
Speaker 1: You played twelve you could do it. You know, you

1256
01:16:33,319 --> 01:16:35,600
can maybe under three hours now.

1257
01:16:35,359 --> 01:16:39,560
Speaker 2: Exactly exactly. Well, that's what makes golf on television so

1258
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:44,880
great because the pacing of it is perfect and you

1259
01:16:44,920 --> 01:16:47,479
can cut to player to player to player. I mean

1260
01:16:47,760 --> 01:16:51,039
I came home from the Masters. I came because I

1261
01:16:51,079 --> 01:16:54,239
wanted to watch it on TV on Sunday. Yeah, because

1262
01:16:54,800 --> 01:16:58,000
I struggle with things happening elsewhere all the time. And

1263
01:16:58,039 --> 01:17:00,000
when you're on a golf course at a professional tournam,

1264
01:17:00,560 --> 01:17:03,199
it's nothing's happened in front of you. It's all happening

1265
01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:03,760
somewhere else.

1266
01:17:04,319 --> 01:17:06,279
Speaker 1: You might not be at the right place when the

1267
01:17:06,600 --> 01:17:08,079
shot of the tournaments.

1268
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,239
Speaker 2: Are right, chances are you're going to hear a loud

1269
01:17:10,279 --> 01:17:12,520
scream across the golf course.

1270
01:17:12,760 --> 01:17:16,039
Speaker 1: Of course, the roars that Augusta on Sunday are unique

1271
01:17:16,079 --> 01:17:19,680
and standalone, but I would love to see the game

1272
01:17:19,920 --> 01:17:22,439
move faster. Listen, I've already had my name right in

1273
01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:26,000
the middle of all this argument about ame point, and

1274
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:29,000
I haven't said that much about it, but it got

1275
01:17:29,000 --> 01:17:32,479
picked up that I said something that was critical of it,

1276
01:17:32,600 --> 01:17:36,319
and now I see articles are written saying I'm a

1277
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:40,279
critic of it. I will say this. We were at Hilton,

1278
01:17:40,319 --> 01:17:44,359
had this last weekend with all the kids, and we

1279
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:50,720
have a tradition there of playing the annual family putt

1280
01:17:50,720 --> 01:17:56,760
putt match. This is big at Pirates Island in Hilton,

1281
01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:02,119
had done it for years. Okay, well, I had our

1282
01:18:02,159 --> 01:18:05,439
match this year on Saturday and it's on air Day,

1283
01:18:05,840 --> 01:18:08,279
so I thought I had left plenty of time. But

1284
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:12,600
it was a beautiful spring day. The course was crowded

1285
01:18:12,680 --> 01:18:16,199
or thirty six holes there, and you can't play through,

1286
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:18,319
and you got people that don't know they're supposed to

1287
01:18:18,359 --> 01:18:21,000
let you play through because they're not golfers. They don't

1288
01:18:21,079 --> 01:18:25,880
understand they're holding you up. But the real hold up

1289
01:18:25,960 --> 01:18:28,560
was two groups in front of me. There was somebody

1290
01:18:28,600 --> 01:18:32,239
up there that was aim pointing on the golf course

1291
01:18:35,199 --> 01:18:38,840
and I thought, now I've seen it all. You know,

1292
01:18:38,960 --> 01:18:42,680
people watch, they imitate, they see the pros play, and

1293
01:18:42,720 --> 01:18:44,399
they go out and try to do the same thing.

1294
01:18:45,479 --> 01:18:54,520
And that pretty much tested my tolerance for slow play,

1295
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:59,760
but at a miniature golf course, and it added an

1296
01:18:59,760 --> 01:19:01,920
next extra thirty minutes to the experience.

1297
01:19:02,560 --> 01:19:04,960
Speaker 2: Oh, please tell me that at the beginning of that

1298
01:19:05,640 --> 01:19:08,920
family event that you looked at everyone said, this is

1299
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:11,399
a family tradition unlike any other.

1300
01:19:11,800 --> 01:19:16,479
Speaker 1: They all know that they know all the lines, trust

1301
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:21,079
they know. We had an incredible battle, and yes, our

1302
01:19:21,119 --> 01:19:23,640
patience was tested. We came down to the last hole.

1303
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:27,439
My oldest daughter, port Caroline. She held the lead most

1304
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,359
of the day. I double the first hole, which I thought.

1305
01:19:30,439 --> 01:19:32,960
I tried to find some solace and that Rory had

1306
01:19:32,960 --> 01:19:35,560
done the same thing at Augusta. So I made the

1307
01:19:35,640 --> 01:19:39,000
declarational this is how Rory started. So we're coming back

1308
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:42,279
and I was fighting all the way through. We got

1309
01:19:42,279 --> 01:19:45,199
to the last hole and my sweet Caroline had a

1310
01:19:45,199 --> 01:19:47,920
putt from a foot and a half to win by

1311
01:19:47,960 --> 01:19:53,439
one and it lipped out, but we declared it co champions.

1312
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:54,880
We did not have a playoff. I had to go

1313
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:57,560
back to work. She knocked it in and I said,

1314
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:05,159
the long journey is over. A masterpiece.

1315
01:20:06,239 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 2: As you talk about the pace of play and people

1316
01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,520
are you know, they don't have an entire weekend to

1317
01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:14,039
watch golf. Do you think TGL addressed any of it

1318
01:20:14,399 --> 01:20:16,760
and and was it a success doing that?

1319
01:20:17,199 --> 01:20:19,880
Speaker 1: I do think they did. I think that the chance

1320
01:20:19,960 --> 01:20:22,439
to see golf played with a shot clock put some

1321
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:26,479
ideas in people's heads. I do. I think that's actually

1322
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,600
one of them, and I think there are a number

1323
01:20:28,600 --> 01:20:30,119
of good things that came out of it. I think

1324
01:20:30,159 --> 01:20:33,159
that one right there's right at the top of the list.

1325
01:20:33,279 --> 01:20:37,119
Speaker 2: Do you think it has some legs to sustain you, Jill?

1326
01:20:37,800 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: I do, I really do. I can't say that I

1327
01:20:41,000 --> 01:20:44,600
watched every single match, but I know they were happy

1328
01:20:44,640 --> 01:20:47,640
with the audience. They reached the size that they reached,

1329
01:20:48,479 --> 01:20:51,399
and I thought the graphics, the holes that they've created

1330
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:55,840
were fascinating to look at and look. All of these

1331
01:20:55,880 --> 01:21:01,199
things are really good for exposed the game, introducing the

1332
01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:05,119
game to people, the people that don't get it. It's

1333
01:21:05,199 --> 01:21:10,800
forward thinking. So I salute I salute the people that

1334
01:21:10,880 --> 01:21:13,920
put TGL together. I think they've I think they have

1335
01:21:14,039 --> 01:21:17,000
found something that's it's definitely gonna be around next year,

1336
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,800
and I think, well beyond, I think it's a good thing. Anything.

1337
01:21:22,399 --> 01:21:26,079
All of these initiatives are good. First t you know,

1338
01:21:26,159 --> 01:21:30,279
it's been around now since the late nineties, I'm.

1339
01:21:30,159 --> 01:21:33,600
Speaker 2: Coaching on first team now, are you yeah, sixty nine

1340
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:34,000
year olds.

1341
01:21:34,079 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been all over the country speaking on the

1342
01:21:39,039 --> 01:21:41,720
first tees behalf. It's important to me and I hope

1343
01:21:41,760 --> 01:21:46,960
to take on a larger role in some capacity sometime

1344
01:21:47,079 --> 01:21:49,880
soon because I believe in what the game espouses and

1345
01:21:49,960 --> 01:21:53,920
the people can reach and the message it delivers. And yeah,

1346
01:21:53,920 --> 01:21:56,399
I think all of these things are good. As the

1347
01:21:56,439 --> 01:22:02,319
world does change and again it gets faster and things happen,

1348
01:22:03,159 --> 01:22:05,600
you know, you have to learn how to figure out

1349
01:22:05,640 --> 01:22:08,439
new ways to be innovative and move with it. And

1350
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:12,479
the shot clock on TGL it didn't hurt. It helps.

1351
01:22:13,800 --> 01:22:15,119
Speaker 2: How do you feel about bifurcation.

1352
01:22:17,520 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 1: I don't see a problem with that really, with there

1353
01:22:20,479 --> 01:22:24,159
being a different golf ball for for the.

1354
01:22:24,079 --> 01:22:28,039
Speaker 2: Pros, different ball, different rules, yeah than for the rest

1355
01:22:28,039 --> 01:22:28,359
of us.

1356
01:22:28,640 --> 01:22:33,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't see a problem with that. But there's listen,

1357
01:22:33,760 --> 01:22:36,119
there are things, as you know, that are in place

1358
01:22:36,159 --> 01:22:37,880
that are going to be kicking in here a couple

1359
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:38,840
of years down the road.

1360
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:47,439
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, well listen, I was told to keep you

1361
01:22:47,479 --> 01:22:50,640
to twenty five minutes. I'm sorry, We're almost at an

1362
01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:51,680
hour and twenty.

1363
01:22:51,359 --> 01:22:52,640
Speaker 1: Five twenty five minutes.

1364
01:22:55,119 --> 01:22:59,039
Speaker 2: But it has been just so great to talk to you.

1365
01:22:59,039 --> 01:23:02,239
You know, I feel like, you know, hey, you're a

1366
01:23:02,399 --> 01:23:04,840
you're a broadcasting I came from broadcasting. So we're just

1367
01:23:04,960 --> 01:23:08,560
disc jockeys, right, We're just I'm like just another guy

1368
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:10,960
who's been in the business and I couldn't wait to share.

1369
01:23:11,760 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, this was a This was a historic podcast

1370
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:17,279
right here for you.

1371
01:23:18,399 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 2: Yes, it is one.

1372
01:23:20,920 --> 01:23:22,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, think about that.

1373
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:25,560
Speaker 2: Oh, I do a lot like why why am I

1374
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:28,439
still doing this? I mean when I started doing it,

1375
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:30,680
there were a couple of golf podcasts. It was a

1376
01:23:30,760 --> 01:23:32,960
year and a half before the iPhone came out and

1377
01:23:33,079 --> 01:23:33,920
I started doing this.

1378
01:23:35,079 --> 01:23:37,359
Speaker 1: Huh, it's amazing what you've accomplished.

1379
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:41,399
Speaker 2: I just it just was I don't know, persistence, No,

1380
01:23:41,600 --> 01:23:46,640
I've had I've become as passionate about this as that

1381
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:50,920
I did about my golf game. So I've had a

1382
01:23:50,960 --> 01:23:54,199
couple of lucky shots where I was ahead of my time.

1383
01:23:55,159 --> 01:23:58,720
And if you ever read that book about Madden, Stanton

1384
01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,000
talks about how I created something with Madden. Madden used

1385
01:24:02,000 --> 01:24:04,279
to do outgoing phone messages for me. He loved to

1386
01:24:04,319 --> 01:24:04,640
do this.

1387
01:24:04,920 --> 01:24:05,359
Speaker 1: Wow.

1388
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:08,319
Speaker 2: Right, and then when famous people would come into the

1389
01:24:08,399 --> 01:24:11,960
radio station. I was at KSFO at the time. I

1390
01:24:12,000 --> 01:24:13,760
would you know, they would have to come into my

1391
01:24:13,800 --> 01:24:16,640
studio and say, Hi, this is the Fifth Dimension and

1392
01:24:17,359 --> 01:24:19,079
you know there they did an interview with the dis

1393
01:24:19,159 --> 01:24:22,479
jockey to promote promote their upcoming concert. But it was like,

1394
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,600
you're listening to Oakland A's baseball on five sixty KSFRO

1395
01:24:25,680 --> 01:24:28,560
and I would record them doing that. So I'd say, hey,

1396
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:31,680
I don't collect autographs, but I do collect outgoing phone messages.

1397
01:24:31,680 --> 01:24:35,239
Can you do this? Not all these famous people doing it?

1398
01:24:35,279 --> 01:24:37,520
And Madden was like, you got to start a business.

1399
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:39,439
That's a great business. You got to do this. And

1400
01:24:39,479 --> 01:24:41,439
I'm like, yeah, coach, I don't know how that scales.

1401
01:24:41,520 --> 01:24:41,680
Speaker 1: Right.

1402
01:24:41,760 --> 01:24:45,840
Speaker 2: This was way before the internet, let alone CD players,

1403
01:24:45,960 --> 01:24:49,840
and he just loved that idea. And forty years later

1404
01:24:49,880 --> 01:24:53,319
this thing cameo comes out and Stan Bunger, and Stan

1405
01:24:53,359 --> 01:24:55,840
Bunger writes in his books like Fred could have created

1406
01:24:56,159 --> 01:24:57,520
It's like, oh my god, I.

1407
01:24:57,479 --> 01:25:01,560
Speaker 1: Should Well, I've enjoyed the visit.

1408
01:25:02,319 --> 01:25:03,840
Speaker 2: I I really appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: On earlier We'll talk about that another time, but thanks

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thanks for saving me for the thousandth Okay, I'm going

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to tell you right now. I'll leave you with this.

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I'm in on the two thousandth.

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Speaker 2: Okay, wow, that's one of us.

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Speaker 1: Well, thank you Bred