Speaker 1: It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston News Radio.
Speaker 2: Welcome back everybody. Thank you very much, Dan Watkins, as
Speaker 2: we move into the first hour of conversation here on
Speaker 2: Night Side. By the way, I have no guests scheduled tonight,
Speaker 2: so whenever I don't have guest scheduled, I also make
Speaker 2: the point. I like to make the point that the
Speaker 2: guests are you, the callers, so feel free to join
Speaker 2: the conversation. There are a spite of stories this weekend
Speaker 2: which kind of are intertwined, and I just want to
Speaker 2: hit upon these two stories fairly quickly and hopefully get
Speaker 2: to phone callers. There is a surge that ICE has
Speaker 2: participated in here in Massachusetts for the last month. There
Speaker 2: was it was announced today. There was a news conference
Speaker 2: in the US Attorney's office and the representatives of ICE
Speaker 2: as well as the US Attorney spoke and they talked
Speaker 2: about about one four hundred and sixty one individuals who
Speaker 2: had been arrested in the last month here in Massachusetts alone.
Speaker 2: Of those people who were arrested, about half a little
Speaker 2: bit more than half seven hundred and ninety. Then this
Speaker 2: is across Massachusetts. This is just not one part of
Speaker 2: the state. By the way, about half little more than half,
Speaker 2: seven hundred and ninety either were individuals who were convicted
Speaker 2: or charged, and six hundred and seventy one had no
Speaker 2: criminal history, but they were arrested for being here illegally.
Speaker 2: And I think all of you know that the whole
Speaker 2: question of immigration and border security was a huge issue
Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty four presidential election, and the Trump
Speaker 2: administration has said that not only have they closed the borders,
Speaker 2: or at least tighten the borders up, but they intend
Speaker 2: to show to basically deport as many people as they
Speaker 2: possibly can. Now, I think that one of the individuals
Speaker 2: who happen to have been arrested on Saturday is a
Speaker 2: high school student out of Milford High School, and he
Speaker 2: apparently is being held and has. Of all the arrests
Speaker 2: that occurred, fourteen hundred and sixty one is the one
Speaker 2: that has received the most noticed. So let me for
Speaker 2: those of you who have not been staying up with
Speaker 2: the news on the weekends, let's play first of all,
Speaker 2: Madison Rodgers p of earlier today, in which he will
Speaker 2: quote from the acting ice director as well as the
Speaker 2: Boston Ice Director in large part about the arrest of
Speaker 2: this eighteen year old student from Milford High School. Oh,
Speaker 2: same as Marcelo Gomez. This is cut number twenty eight.
Speaker 2: Please rob.
Speaker 3: Eighteen year old Marcelo Gomez was on his way to
Speaker 3: volleyball practice Saturday when witnesses say he was surrounded by
Speaker 3: ice vehicles and taken by agents. Federal authorities now say
Speaker 3: Marcello wasn't even their target.
Speaker 2: His father was.
Speaker 4: He made a traffic stop on that vehicle, which was
Speaker 4: the father's vehicle. He was driving that vehicle.
Speaker 2: He's eighteen years old.
Speaker 4: He's unlawfully in this country, and unfortunately we had to
Speaker 4: go to Milford to look for someone else, and we
Speaker 4: came across him and he was arrested.
Speaker 3: Acting Ice director Todd Lyons and Boston Ice Director Patricia
Speaker 3: Hyde say the father hasn't come forward. Marcello's being held
Speaker 3: in Burlington and a federal judge is ordered he not
Speaker 3: be moved for seventy two hours. Neighbors say the high
Speaker 3: school junior has lived in Milford since childhood. Madison Rogers
Speaker 3: w b Z Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so in Madison's peace. Clearly, if this young man
Speaker 2: had been born here, he would be a US citizen.
Speaker 2: And the comment that the last part of the report
Speaker 2: from Madison is that he has lived here since childhood,
Speaker 2: obviously came here from another country and does not have
Speaker 2: citizenship status. As I understand that just watching the different
Speaker 2: news reports tonight, he is being held somewhere in Burlington
Speaker 2: and a judge of federal judges ordered that he not
Speaker 2: be moved. There was some questions and answers with the
Speaker 2: officials at the news conference. The media was looking for
Speaker 2: more information than they were able to they were able
Speaker 2: to get. Frankly, so this is a cut number thirty one, Rob.
Speaker 2: This is the acting ice direct to Todd Lyons who's
Speaker 2: from the Boston area. Sparring with the media focused again
Speaker 2: not so much on what they wanted to talk about today,
Speaker 2: which was the fourteen hundred and sixty one individuals who
Speaker 2: have been arrested in the last month. He ad just
Speaker 2: in Massachusetts, and it was much more focused on the
Speaker 2: circumstances of Marcello Gomez. And again it's Geos. I'm not
Speaker 2: sure if it's spelled, if it's pronounced like the former
Speaker 2: Red Sox player Johnny Gomes or Gomez g me e Z,
Speaker 2: but we'll it's spelled g mes, But Madison was referring
Speaker 2: to as Comez, So I'm assuming that's the correct pronunciation.
Speaker 2: Cut thirty one, please, Rob, So.
Speaker 4: I'll put it back on you. What about an eighteen
Speaker 4: year old did you just stop for a traffic violation
Speaker 4: by Mass d police who's wanted to being a habitual
Speaker 4: traffic defender on his way to graduation? Would you be
Speaker 4: asking that same question to the Mass Date police for
Speaker 4: not arresting him? Like, I didn't say he was dangerous.
Speaker 4: I said he's in this country legally and we're not
Speaker 4: going to walk away from anybody.
Speaker 5: So where is he?
Speaker 2: Is he having due process?
Speaker 6: Does have the lawyer?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Well the whole due process thing.
Speaker 4: ICE doesn't just scoop people off the street and remove them.
Speaker 4: Everyone gets due process and that is what the US
Speaker 4: Attorney's office for. It's with the immigration courts up for
Speaker 4: they all do that. He will go in front of
Speaker 4: immigration judge, he'll have the opportunity to post bond. But again,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna ask you a question. Boston police stopped
Speaker 4: an eighteen year old on the way to high school?
Speaker 4: Are we having this conversation right now?
Speaker 7: Would be some evidence.
Speaker 4: It happens every day every day doesn't. There are multiple
Speaker 4: eighteen year olds arrested, but yet we are focused on
Speaker 4: this one. And I will say, his dad hasn't turned
Speaker 4: himself in yet, and his dad knows he's the target
Speaker 4: of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was another point that they seem to make today.
Speaker 2: So what I want to do is I want to
Speaker 2: open up this. I want to open up a very
Speaker 2: civil conversation.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: I don't care what your point of view is on this.
Speaker 2: I just would love to hear from as many of
Speaker 2: you as possible. I must tell you, I think that
Speaker 2: the more that ICE would focus on really dangerous people criminals,
Speaker 2: and there were apparently a lot of people with some
Speaker 2: significant criminal records, not just parking tickets or jaywalking, who
Speaker 2: have been scooped up. I think the vast majority of citizens,
Speaker 2: whether you live in Massachusetts or any of the other
Speaker 2: forty nine states, would support ICE in getting people who
Speaker 2: are dangerous off the streets and if necessary, if possible,
Speaker 2: out of the country, never to return or convict them
Speaker 2: and put them in prison. Here. That seems to me
Speaker 2: to be something that I think most people can agree upon.
Speaker 2: I think the fundamental difference is that that there's still
Speaker 2: a split in this country, and there are some people
Speaker 2: who want to make sure that the borders are completely
Speaker 2: secure and that to whatever extent the the immigration that
Speaker 2: has not come across the borders legally can be reversed
Speaker 2: with under the Trump administration, versus those who will say,
Speaker 2: once you get here, you you have a significant number
Speaker 2: of rights. You have some rights clearly that that that
Speaker 2: that do arise. But the rights that you have here,
Speaker 2: as I've tried to explain before, are not the same
Speaker 2: rights as a as a US born or a US
Speaker 2: naturalized citizen. So I'd like to hear from you. I
Speaker 2: suspected ICE made a special effort here in Massachusetts because
Speaker 2: the head of ICE, Tom Homan, has made it very
Speaker 2: clear that he intended to focus on Massachusetts. We are
Speaker 2: a sanctuary state, We're not the only sanctuary state, and
Speaker 2: we may not be a sanctuary state in officially. I
Speaker 2: don't think the legislature has ever deemed us a sanctuary state.
Speaker 2: I don't think that this governor or any prior governor
Speaker 2: signed a piece of legislation that said we are a
Speaker 2: sanctuary state. I do think that Boston is perceived as
Speaker 2: and rightfully so, as a sanctuary city where the mayor
Speaker 2: has said that everyone in Boston will be protected no
Speaker 2: matter what your status is. And I do know that
Speaker 2: there are other cities around the Commonwealth that have taken
Speaker 2: positions that they are either sanctuary cities or they use
Speaker 2: the euphemism of a welcoming city. So let's just have
Speaker 2: at it here and have a conversation. I'd love to
Speaker 2: know what you think. Do you commend ICE for coming
Speaker 2: into Massachusetts and having a focus on Massachusetts or do
Speaker 2: you think that we are being unfairly treated by ICE
Speaker 2: because of the positions in the statements that are political leaders.
Speaker 2: I've articulated six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty
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Speaker 2: We got open lines. Let's get it going right after
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Speaker 1: Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio.
Speaker 2: So we have discussed immigration, legal immigration for years here
Speaker 2: on Nightside, and we have now come to a point
Speaker 2: where as a result of the election of last November,
Speaker 2: action is being taken. Now. I know that a lot
Speaker 2: of people are pleased by this and a lot of
Speaker 2: people are displeased by it, And whatever your point of view,
Speaker 2: feel free to share your your thoughts with us tonight.
Speaker 2: Let me go first off to Steve and Bridgewater. Steve,
Speaker 2: welcome your first tonight first this week on Nightside. Go
Speaker 2: right ahead, Steve, Hi, Dan, how you doing.
Speaker 5: I feel special being the first one tonight.
Speaker 2: Well, thanks very much for getting us going. That's someone
Speaker 2: someone has to jump in the water first, So go
Speaker 2: right ahead.
Speaker 8: Oh.
Speaker 5: I did a couple of things. First of all, I
Speaker 5: think that what basically what they're doing is right. And
Speaker 5: first of all, in regards to getting these horrific criminals
Speaker 5: off the street that have been victimizing people over the
Speaker 5: past four years, getting them out of the country. And
Speaker 5: not only that, even if they're not criminals, if we
Speaker 5: go in the country dinner, we hang out there for
Speaker 5: a while, they're gonna throw us out of there too.
Speaker 5: If we don't have a visa or we don't become citizens,
Speaker 5: it's the same thing.
Speaker 2: Right, No, I understand, I understand. But the point I
Speaker 2: was trying to make. And if you're a supporter of
Speaker 2: an aggressive and ambitious deportation effort, which sounds like you
Speaker 2: you are. Yeah, what happens is when the authorities in
Speaker 2: this case obviously the the the ICE leadership, They when
Speaker 2: they make a mistake or when they grab somebody who is,
Speaker 2: let's say, eighteen years old and as a high school student,
Speaker 2: that doesn't quite fit what most people are thinking about
Speaker 2: about the people who are dangerous. And I think about
Speaker 2: the the woman from Tufts. I think that for they
Speaker 2: arrested and sixty one people, the one that we're talking
Speaker 2: about tonight primarily is the eighteen year old student from
Speaker 2: Milford High School. And it's that mistake that this ice
Speaker 2: or this administration makes which takes the focus away from
Speaker 2: you know, I think everybody would agree murderous rapist, child,
Speaker 2: Lester's sex traffickers get him out or put him in jail.
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't think there's anyone out there tonight
Speaker 2: who's going to say no, I want all of these
Speaker 2: people to live here freely. There may be some, I guess.
Speaker 2: I guess that's possible, but it just becomes it becomes
Speaker 2: I think, counterproductive when you make a mistake. Why did
Speaker 2: they they were looking for this kid's dad, They weren't
Speaker 2: looking for him. And I understand their position. When they
Speaker 2: find someone who's you know, collateral to the search, who's
Speaker 2: not here legally, they'll scoop him up. But it just
Speaker 2: seems to me, if you're looking for a father and
Speaker 2: you happen to get the kid, maybe use the kid
Speaker 2: as a messenger and say to the to the father,
Speaker 2: look to say to the kid, tell your daddy's got
Speaker 2: to turn himself in as soon as possible. And I
Speaker 2: don't know. I mean, you know, if you're going let's
Speaker 2: say you go into a into an apartment and you're
Speaker 2: looking for an MS thirteen gang bang her and there's
Speaker 2: five other members of the MS thirteen in there, Well,
Speaker 2: you're going to grab all of them. I get it, okay,
Speaker 2: if you're llegal, okay, but I just think that the
Speaker 2: judgment sometimes the videotape of the Toughs University, a doctoral
Speaker 2: student who had written the article in the Toughs newspaper.
Speaker 2: I talked about it weeks ago. It just it's counterproductive if.
Speaker 5: The real purpose Again, I was going to bring that
Speaker 5: situation up with that girl, okay, because what I what
Speaker 5: I meant to also say is I heard I was
Speaker 5: listening to the news thing you when you were playing
Speaker 5: that head Ice local Ice person even saying, oh, we
Speaker 5: don't just school people up. We give them the process
Speaker 5: and everything. But that's not true. What they did to
Speaker 5: her is cut. What's the word I'm looking for. It's
Speaker 5: against what he just said. They did just school for
Speaker 5: up and they didn't give her the right to talk
Speaker 5: to a lawyer. They just helped her for three months.
Speaker 5: It couldn't even come up with a legitimate reason why
Speaker 5: they why they picked her up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they would say, they would argue, and I agree
Speaker 2: with you, but they would argue. They would say, well,
Speaker 2: you know she was able. She finally had her day
Speaker 2: in court. They moved her around. Remember they took her
Speaker 2: up to Vermont and they flew the next thing, she's
Speaker 2: in Louisiana. So yeah, they were doing a little forum shopping. Uh,
Speaker 2: just as as the a c l U does forum shopping.
Speaker 2: They try to find a judge or a district, federal
Speaker 2: district where they might have a better shot. But no,
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I agree with you, and I
Speaker 2: just think that now you know, if if, if bad
Speaker 2: people are being picked up, everyone, everyone is going to
Speaker 2: be in favor and I assume virtually everyone's going to
Speaker 2: be in favor of that. I just think that it
Speaker 2: was a it's a tactical mistake, that's all. But we'll
Speaker 2: see how it goes you, I assume support generally the
Speaker 2: Trump administration and and their efforts to get the bad guys,
Speaker 2: the bad, bad people out of the country.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we got to reverse them the horrific mistakes that
Speaker 5: damage to bid the cause, letting them all these letting
Speaker 5: all these people in to begin with.
Speaker 2: Well ironically, I mean again, I don't know if Joe
Speaker 2: at this point, you're beginning to wonder how much Joe
Speaker 2: Biden realized what's going on. But I'll tell you this, whoever,
Speaker 2: and I think you're going to blame may Orcus. I
Speaker 2: think I've talked with friends of mine who were longtime
Speaker 2: you know, democratic activists, and you know, they firmly believe
Speaker 2: in the Democratic Party, but they now look back at
Speaker 2: the appointment of may Orcus as a huge mistake and
Speaker 2: something that cost the Democrats dearly in twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: no doubt.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, yep. All right, thank you, thank you very
Speaker 5: much for taking my call.
Speaker 2: I appreciate the call, I appreciate the tone. Thank you much, appreciate.
Speaker 2: Let's try to keep the conversation on that level. Six one, seven, two, five, four,
Speaker 2: ten thirty. Actually that's the only lines that are open
Speaker 2: right now. The one seven, nine three one lines are full.
Speaker 2: I have two Mary's Mary and Boston Mary and Lexington
Speaker 2: there next, And if you'd like to jump on board,
Speaker 2: uh six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. I
Speaker 2: don't intend to talk about this for much longer than
Speaker 2: an hour, if that so, if you want to speak now,
Speaker 2: speak now or forever, hold your peace, get get to
Speaker 2: the lines when the lines are open. So many people
Speaker 2: will call me. They'll say, oh, I called, and the
Speaker 2: lines were full, And I'll say, what times you call? Oh,
Speaker 2: I like five minutes of ten or something like that.
Speaker 2: I think, well, that's that's when the lines are full.
Speaker 2: We'll be back on nightside.
Speaker 1: You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's
Speaker 1: news radio.
Speaker 2: All right, we got the phone lines full. Let's keep going. Now,
Speaker 2: let's go to Mary in Boston. Mary next on nightside,
Speaker 2: Go right.
Speaker 8: Ahead, Yes, Hi, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm doing great? Let's sure take this spate of activity
Speaker 2: this weekend.
Speaker 7: I think it's very very bad, and this is something
Speaker 7: that it's against God, you know, uh law, Really, God
Speaker 7: is not against the immigrants. The immigrant is to be respected,
Speaker 7: is to be treated as part of members of everyone
Speaker 7: else's community, not to be mistreated, not to be persecuted,
Speaker 7: and not to be treated like people are being treated.
Speaker 2: And if I can, marriage just kind of ask you
Speaker 2: a couple of questions, if I could, and I understand
Speaker 2: your the religious point of view that you have here
Speaker 2: and I respect it. Do you think that's it?
Speaker 7: I'm sorry, it's not really religious.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you mentioned no. No, I
Speaker 2: know you when you invoke when you vote God, I
Speaker 2: think it's based at least in a if not a
Speaker 2: a religious religious, uh position, at least in a position
Speaker 2: that the things that we have a responsibility to to
Speaker 2: our creator. So my question is this, here's my question.
Speaker 2: Do you do you think that the United States has
Speaker 2: a right to regulate who comes into the country and doesn't.
Speaker 7: Coming any any country in I guess in the world. Yes,
Speaker 7: can regulate the Buddhists can be should be closed, and
Speaker 7: criminals should be treated as they deserve to be treated.
Speaker 7: But not because somebody is illegal in a country. It
Speaker 7: is an immigrant, Okay.
Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to I'm just trying to understand
Speaker 2: where you're coming from. And I'm not trying to give
Speaker 2: you a hard time, just trying to understand where you're
Speaker 2: coming from.
Speaker 7: Just just think if it was somebody in your family
Speaker 7: or whoever it is, the savor of these just thank you. Yeah,
Speaker 7: go ahead.
Speaker 2: Okay, So my question to you is this. You said
Speaker 2: that countries have a right to have borders and control
Speaker 2: who comes.
Speaker 1: In the country.
Speaker 7: Throw the borders. That's right, exactly, but not.
Speaker 2: If I just want to finish my question, and that
Speaker 2: is this, if the countries have a right to control
Speaker 2: borders when people come across those borders, uh, and they don't,
Speaker 2: They don't go through the legal process, but they get
Speaker 2: into the country as there are a lot of people
Speaker 2: in the country who are good people. By the way,
Speaker 2: they're not necessarily all criminals. I agree with you, they're
Speaker 2: not all criminals. What do you do with the people
Speaker 2: who have come here illegally? Once you get in the country,
Speaker 2: are you home free?
Speaker 7: There should be legalization, there should be understand there should
Speaker 7: be Actually it's also written that the immigrants it is
Speaker 7: to be helped, it is to be treated as part
Speaker 7: of community, as part of the human family, as family,
Speaker 7: not to be mistreated. If there was here, should not
Speaker 7: be treated as they are. And God will tolerat it.
Speaker 7: God will let me finish please, God will tolerate it
Speaker 7: up to some time, up to when he feels like
Speaker 7: but there is a time that he's going to punish.
Speaker 7: He's going to punish this president. He's going to punish
Speaker 7: the country as well if the people, the majority of
Speaker 7: the people of the country is accepting and letting this happen.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 7: This is written for whoever does not read the Bible.
Speaker 7: Never read the Bible. Just grab one and read it
Speaker 7: in the Bible.
Speaker 2: To religion again, well, Mary, appreciate your.
Speaker 7: It's not anion to religion. It is it is what
Speaker 7: it is supposed to be.
Speaker 2: Very much.
Speaker 5: Mary.
Speaker 2: I think I've got your point of view, and I
Speaker 2: get some other folks that want to hear from as well.
Speaker 2: So thanks for calling call anytime. Always nice to hear
Speaker 2: from you. Thank you very much.
Speaker 7: Okay, thank you to let me go.
Speaker 2: To another Mary in Lexington. Mary and Lexington, you're next
Speaker 2: one nights. I go right ahead.
Speaker 9: Yes, thank you for taking my call. And I just
Speaker 9: have a thought that I think is being missed here.
Speaker 9: I mean, it's my thought, but I just wanted to
Speaker 9: share it. And first off, I want to say that
Speaker 9: I do feel very badly for this high school student
Speaker 9: and I hope that things work out for the young man. However,
Speaker 9: we should look at the whole picture here, and my
Speaker 9: thought is is that I believe that the Healey administration
Speaker 9: has a hand in this because ICE organization was very
Speaker 9: clear when they said they need not just want, but
Speaker 9: need help and cooperate to get only the criminals. But
Speaker 9: if they're not going to get the help and cooperation,
Speaker 9: then they're going to do it on their own. And
Speaker 9: if they happen to come across the situation where somebody
Speaker 9: is illegal, they can't just turn a blind eye and
Speaker 9: walk away. Now they were looking for this young man's father. Now,
Speaker 9: had the Healey administration cooperated and given ICE the information
Speaker 9: to specifically go get the father or have more detailed information,
Speaker 9: then this wouldn't have snowballed into this young man now
Speaker 9: where he is. And I also have a question is
Speaker 9: well where is his father? Did his father turn himself
Speaker 9: in for the sake.
Speaker 2: Of the well as of watch just watching tonight's newscasts,
Speaker 2: maybe he will knowing his son is in custody. I
Speaker 2: think that a good dad would do.
Speaker 10: That, To be honest, I would think so.
Speaker 2: If my son was in I guarantee you I would
Speaker 2: go and present myself and say, hey, you want to
Speaker 2: put me in custody, fine below my son go right
Speaker 2: that that might sound a little a little pollyannish.
Speaker 9: No, that sounds like a loving father, and in my opinion,
Speaker 9: that should have already have happened.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, the young man was arrested on Saturday morning.
Speaker 2: So here we are. It's two days later. It's forty
Speaker 2: eight hours. It's more than forty eight hours. I don't know.
Speaker 2: You know, I haven't checked that any of the newscasts closely,
Speaker 2: and at least I listened when I can to the
Speaker 2: newscast on the Arab But I do not believe he's
Speaker 2: so he could be turning himself in. Now we'll see,
Speaker 2: we'll see.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 9: Still, in my opinion, he's a little late. So again,
Speaker 9: I hope things work out for this young man. However,
Speaker 9: if the Heley administration cooperated and gave the information that's needed,
Speaker 9: then these casualties would not be falling into the system
Speaker 9: of being picked up.
Speaker 2: All right, Well, well said, very very sucstinct and directed
Speaker 2: to the point. And I appreciate you taking the time, Mary,
Speaker 2: appreciate it.
Speaker 9: Okay, thank you.
Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
Speaker 9: Goo good night.
Speaker 2: Let me keep rolling here, going to go to Joe. Joe,
Speaker 2: you're next on nightside, go right ahead.
Speaker 10: Yeah, a good evening, Dan. I think that we should
Speaker 10: not have any sanctuary cities. Years ago, when my grandfather immigrated,
Speaker 10: he had to take the Constitution and swear to allegiance
Speaker 10: of America. Now a lot of them just get in
Speaker 10: and the family is part of Some of them may
Speaker 10: be citizens, some not. I don't know. I think this
Speaker 10: hope it works out. But look at the thing happening
Speaker 10: in Colorado and the other.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's a story that I'd like to get
Speaker 2: at tonight as well. Although we didn't yeah publicize it.
Speaker 2: What a lot more has come come clear on that.
Speaker 2: Just an abhorrent act.
Speaker 10: I think we should close our borders for twenty years
Speaker 10: and moratorium and do things right, and you know that,
Speaker 10: fix Ellis Island and bring the ones that come over there.
Speaker 2: I don't think, Joe, you have to close borders. I
Speaker 2: think what you need to do is control borders.
Speaker 10: And they're okay, I mean, but how do you get
Speaker 10: all the bad people out of the land. How do
Speaker 10: you get the ones that are troublemakers? If they're bad
Speaker 10: and they come in this country and they do things,
Speaker 10: you have to get rid of them. But it's going
Speaker 10: to be hard.
Speaker 2: Now we've no I understand that, but I think the
Speaker 2: borders are pretty tight at this point. I assume you
Speaker 2: can't have a pulley a soldier, you know, every five
Speaker 2: feet along the border. So yeah, he's going to be people,
Speaker 2: even even this week, are going to be people who
Speaker 2: somehow get in.
Speaker 10: And they're gonna have to be sent back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I think I think what's what's happening is
Speaker 2: that for years you had thousands of people coming in
Speaker 2: every day and very few leaders. And now that that
Speaker 2: role has been somewhat at first.
Speaker 10: And if they get rid of all, Thankstuary Cities, no
Speaker 10: more of that either. All right, Thanks Dan, Thank you,
Speaker 10: appreciate you, Thank you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got to take a quick break here six
Speaker 2: one seven, four ten thirty, six one seven, nine three thirty.
Speaker 2: Got two open lines there and got one at six
Speaker 2: one seven, two four ten thirty. I have David and
Speaker 2: Sandra coming up, uh, and I do have some room
Speaker 2: for you, and if we want to wrap this at
Speaker 2: ten o'clock, that's fine, but you better call now because uh,
Speaker 2: we only have a few minutes left in the hour.
Speaker 2: We're back on nights Side.
Speaker 1: Right after this, It's night Side with Dan Ray on
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Speaker 2: Back to the phones we go. We're gonna go to
Speaker 2: David in Bustin. David next on Nightside. Welcome Heay, Dan,
Speaker 2: how are you doing great? What's on your what's your
Speaker 2: take on this? David?
Speaker 6: Well, a couple of things. First of all, you know
Speaker 6: we mentioned the administration. You don't we don't like when
Speaker 6: the administration does this and that. If the previous administration
Speaker 6: just didn't open the work, didn't open the borders wide open, we.
Speaker 11: Wouldn't be dealing with number one, that's correct.
Speaker 6: Number two you have Number two, you have so many
Speaker 6: ICE agents.
Speaker 11: Looking for so many of hundreds.
Speaker 6: Of these illegals that it's inevitable to make a mistake.
Speaker 11: Okay, did they treat the kid harshly?
Speaker 6: No, it needs to be cleaned up. So like the
Speaker 6: first Mary said, she's obviously comes from.
Speaker 11: A family who illegal immigration.
Speaker 2: Well, we don't know that. We don't we don't need
Speaker 2: to go there, and we don't know that. And in
Speaker 2: terms of whether they treated him harshly or not, I'm
Speaker 2: sure it was an unsettling experience. Uh, and now he's
Speaker 2: in custody today when I don't think that he's been
Speaker 2: in any way, shape or form. There's no suggestion that
Speaker 2: she's that that he has been you know, brutalized or
Speaker 2: anything like that.
Speaker 11: Of course not no right.
Speaker 6: And he was driving his dad's car, so they pulled
Speaker 6: over the car, they went for him. That's that's the
Speaker 6: big thing. What does what does the word whether you're
Speaker 6: a good illegal or bad illegal, what does the word
Speaker 6: illegal mean?
Speaker 2: I know what means you No, I know what the
Speaker 2: word illegal means. I'm I'm totally with you. I understand
Speaker 2: what the word illegal means, and I understand the context
Speaker 2: of that. All I'm just saying is I don't think
Speaker 2: it helps the cause of the administration to have cases
Speaker 2: like this and like the toughs university student. I think
Speaker 2: that's not what most Americans are looking to be thrown
Speaker 2: out of the country initially. That's all I'm saying. Nothing
Speaker 2: more than nothing.
Speaker 6: This is most Americans are very good. Most Americans are
Speaker 6: very kind hearted, even Americans who are immigrants who migrated
Speaker 6: he illegally. Everybody is open hearted and kind arted. But
Speaker 6: someone has to do the dirty work of what the
Speaker 6: previous administration they're cleaning up, Well the previous as previous
Speaker 6: administration did should be David, I.
Speaker 2: Don't disagree with that. I think you're you're accurate when
Speaker 2: you see when you suggest that, I think that there
Speaker 2: was as far as the.
Speaker 6: Second Mary said, as far as the second Mary said,
Speaker 6: as far as the governor is concerned, she is as
Speaker 6: guilty as sin one hundred and fifteen hundred and twenty
Speaker 6: five million dollars a month on illegal spent in hotels
Speaker 6: three square meals a day, when most people can't even
Speaker 6: afford that, and now she's taking them out of hotels
Speaker 6: by putting them into apartment buildings.
Speaker 11: What's the difference, Well, the cost is a little less
Speaker 11: to this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to mind. We may we may talk
Speaker 2: about an interesting poll out of New Hampshire would suggest
Speaker 2: that maybe you're onto something there. But David, I got
Speaker 2: a couple of more I want to get into here
Speaker 2: before the before the break, all legitimate part of the game.
Speaker 6: One last quick thing, one last quick.
Speaker 2: You gotta be quick, go to here, go ahead quick.
Speaker 6: Yeah, the p all of the stakes should be pulled.
Speaker 11: Whether they agree on supporting.
Speaker 6: With our tax paying money, illegals or not.
Speaker 2: That's what they all have elections for, David, that's what
Speaker 2: that's what we have elections for. And I think it'll
Speaker 2: be a big because why she will no longer be
Speaker 2: in well. See, thanks David, appreciate you call. Have a
Speaker 2: great one. Good night. Let me get to Sandra in Boston.
Speaker 2: Sander like to get to you real quickly, go right ahead,
Speaker 2: Sandra II.
Speaker 8: Dan, I think that we have really muddied the waters
Speaker 8: about what asylum is. And there are genuine people who
Speaker 8: need asylum, sure, but there are stories on the other
Speaker 8: side of this ice question. Ice gets, you know, trouble
Speaker 8: from people when they make mistakes or too aggressive on
Speaker 8: the other end as well. And one that particularly stands
Speaker 8: out for me is back at July fourth, twenty fifteen,
Speaker 8: when a woman named murder Rivera was shot in her bed.
Speaker 8: She was just sleeping in her bed. She's a nurse.
Speaker 8: She was a nurse up in Lawrence, Massachuset fits and
Speaker 8: two illegals who had been deported twice and had come
Speaker 8: back in were doing something with their gun and the
Speaker 8: bullet went right through the ceiling and shot her dead
Speaker 8: in her bed. This was an article in the Boston
Speaker 8: Herald by Hillary Chabot.
Speaker 2: I remember I happen to remember that case. You're accurate.
Speaker 8: I remember that case, yes, and it was such a
Speaker 8: shocking thing. I mean, the woman was a nurse, she
Speaker 8: was and you know she was in her bed.
Speaker 2: No, I'd said, doing nothing wrong doing.
Speaker 8: And these these were two illegal aliens who had been
Speaker 8: deported twice but had come back into the country, and
Speaker 8: obviously ICE was getting uh, the others.
Speaker 2: There's a laundry list of people whose lives have been
Speaker 2: taken by illegal aliens. There's no doubt about that. And
Speaker 2: everyone one of those people would still be alive today
Speaker 2: if if those illegal aliens had not come into the country.
Speaker 8: And you know we have well, I think we we
Speaker 8: do have to cooperate more with ICE because we need
Speaker 8: to distinguish the people who genuinely need asylum from this
Speaker 8: kind of massive uh sort of catch all immigrants migrants
Speaker 8: whatever we're calling them today. You know, I mean, there
Speaker 8: are we have messed up with the language so.
Speaker 1: That we.
Speaker 5: Could be a problem.
Speaker 2: I want to sneak one more in here before the break.
Speaker 2: So if it's okay with you, Sandra, I thank you
Speaker 2: for calling it, Thank you for your patience, and the
Speaker 2: fellow who who who I was going to get to
Speaker 2: to meet you in New Hampshire just dropped off. But nonetheless,
Speaker 2: I'll thank you for your for your time tonight. Thanks
Speaker 2: so much, Sandra.
Speaker 5: Okay, let me go next to Jim.
Speaker 2: Jim. You are next to a nice saga, right had
Speaker 2: Jim and Missouri Dan Ray.
Speaker 6: Hey, I hope he had a good weekend.
Speaker 12: Very briefly, since this this is like one of those
Speaker 12: things where clues are contained in the original story. Since
Speaker 12: since he was really young when he came here, it's
Speaker 12: possible that he was brought here against his will, since
Speaker 12: children are not able to consent, so I think it's
Speaker 12: at least worth, you know, having asking him in a
Speaker 12: place where he has been.
Speaker 2: That's not the legal issue. Would would be if he
Speaker 2: had been born here. And let's say his parents came
Speaker 2: here against his and he was born here, he'd be
Speaker 2: a US citizen. If they brought him here when he
Speaker 2: was one, two, or three, he had no ability to
Speaker 2: give consent. A child who's won two exactly goes wherever
Speaker 2: his mom and dad takes him.
Speaker 12: Exactly, so he may say he may say no. But
Speaker 12: this whole time I wanted to go back to Mexico
Speaker 12: or wherever. Equitor.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know, I have no knowledge of that.
Speaker 2: At the same time, apparently he was going to a
Speaker 2: local high school here outside of Boston and was a
Speaker 2: popular student. And yeah, so you know there were That's
Speaker 2: an interesting thought, Jim. But I don't know what age
Speaker 2: he came here. He could have been brought here when
Speaker 2: he was seven or eight or nine, but that.
Speaker 12: Still he still would be unable to consent.
Speaker 2: No, I agree. But what I'm saying is all of
Speaker 2: that should should come out in the next uh, in
Speaker 2: the next few days or the next few weeks.
Speaker 12: Never come out if he was never if he was
Speaker 12: never brought into you know, for to give a fair hearing.
Speaker 2: Well hopefully he will get a fair hearing, and all
Speaker 2: of this all of us come forward. Interesting thought, different perspective.
Speaker 2: Thanks for the call. Talk to you soon. Here comes
Speaker 2: to ten o'clock News. We'll be back on the other side,
Speaker 2: and we're going to talk about a poll out of
Speaker 2: the University of New Hampshire which might which might augur
Speaker 2: some problems for Governor Heally and maybe even for Senator Markey.
Speaker 2: We'll we'll break the numbers down for you, and we'll
Speaker 2: talk a little politics on the other side.