WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:06.240 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston News Radio. 2 00:00:08.039 --> 00:00:10.320 Welcome back everybody. Thank you very much, Dan Watkins, as 3 00:00:10.320 --> 00:00:13.359 we move into the first hour of conversation here on 4 00:00:13.519 --> 00:00:16.359 Night Side. By the way, I have no guests scheduled tonight, 5 00:00:16.399 --> 00:00:19.719 so whenever I don't have guest scheduled, I also make 6 00:00:19.760 --> 00:00:22.000 the point. I like to make the point that the 7 00:00:22.079 --> 00:00:24.920 guests are you, the callers, so feel free to join 8 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:30.039 the conversation. There are a spite of stories this weekend 9 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:35.520 which kind of are intertwined, and I just want to 10 00:00:36.960 --> 00:00:43.000 hit upon these two stories fairly quickly and hopefully get 11 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:48.159 to phone callers. There is a surge that ICE has 12 00:00:50.159 --> 00:00:54.679 participated in here in Massachusetts for the last month. There 13 00:00:54.799 --> 00:00:58.399 was it was announced today. There was a news conference 14 00:00:58.399 --> 00:01:03.679 in the US Attorney's office and the representatives of ICE 15 00:01:03.759 --> 00:01:07.719 as well as the US Attorney spoke and they talked 16 00:01:07.760 --> 00:01:14.000 about about one four hundred and sixty one individuals who 17 00:01:14.040 --> 00:01:18.680 had been arrested in the last month here in Massachusetts alone. 18 00:01:19.239 --> 00:01:24.159 Of those people who were arrested, about half a little 19 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:27.239 bit more than half seven hundred and ninety. Then this 20 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:30.640 is across Massachusetts. This is just not one part of 21 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:33.840 the state. By the way, about half little more than half, 22 00:01:33.879 --> 00:01:37.400 seven hundred and ninety either were individuals who were convicted 23 00:01:37.519 --> 00:01:43.239 or charged, and six hundred and seventy one had no 24 00:01:43.519 --> 00:01:49.400 criminal history, but they were arrested for being here illegally. 25 00:01:49.920 --> 00:01:54.799 And I think all of you know that the whole 26 00:01:54.879 --> 00:02:00.640 question of immigration and border security was a huge issue 27 00:02:01.200 --> 00:02:07.200 in the twenty twenty four presidential election, and the Trump 28 00:02:07.280 --> 00:02:12.439 administration has said that not only have they closed the borders, 29 00:02:12.800 --> 00:02:16.199 or at least tighten the borders up, but they intend 30 00:02:16.479 --> 00:02:24.599 to show to basically deport as many people as they 31 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:30.599 possibly can. Now, I think that one of the individuals 32 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:36.000 who happen to have been arrested on Saturday is a 33 00:02:36.080 --> 00:02:41.759 high school student out of Milford High School, and he 34 00:02:41.800 --> 00:02:46.879 apparently is being held and has. Of all the arrests 35 00:02:46.960 --> 00:02:50.199 that occurred, fourteen hundred and sixty one is the one 36 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:53.240 that has received the most noticed. So let me for 37 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.919 those of you who have not been staying up with 38 00:02:55.960 --> 00:02:58.360 the news on the weekends, let's play first of all, 39 00:02:58.759 --> 00:03:01.960 Madison Rodgers p of earlier today, in which he will 40 00:03:02.039 --> 00:03:05.479 quote from the acting ice director as well as the 41 00:03:05.520 --> 00:03:10.199 Boston Ice Director in large part about the arrest of 42 00:03:10.240 --> 00:03:14.199 this eighteen year old student from Milford High School. Oh, 43 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.479 same as Marcelo Gomez. This is cut number twenty eight. 44 00:03:17.520 --> 00:03:18.199 Please rob. 45 00:03:20.120 --> 00:03:22.680 Eighteen year old Marcelo Gomez was on his way to 46 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:26.560 volleyball practice Saturday when witnesses say he was surrounded by 47 00:03:26.599 --> 00:03:30.560 ice vehicles and taken by agents. Federal authorities now say 48 00:03:30.599 --> 00:03:32.680 Marcello wasn't even their target. 49 00:03:32.960 --> 00:03:33.639 His father was. 50 00:03:33.759 --> 00:03:35.719 He made a traffic stop on that vehicle, which was 51 00:03:35.759 --> 00:03:38.319 the father's vehicle. He was driving that vehicle. 52 00:03:38.360 --> 00:03:39.159 He's eighteen years old. 53 00:03:39.240 --> 00:03:42.919 He's unlawfully in this country, and unfortunately we had to 54 00:03:42.919 --> 00:03:44.960 go to Milford to look for someone else, and we 55 00:03:45.000 --> 00:03:46.599 came across him and he was arrested. 56 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.039 Acting Ice director Todd Lyons and Boston Ice Director Patricia 57 00:03:50.120 --> 00:03:53.919 Hyde say the father hasn't come forward. Marcello's being held 58 00:03:53.919 --> 00:03:56.439 in Burlington and a federal judge is ordered he not 59 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:59.599 be moved for seventy two hours. Neighbors say the high 60 00:03:59.599 --> 00:04:03.759 school junior has lived in Milford since childhood. Madison Rogers 61 00:04:03.919 --> 00:04:05.840 w b Z Boston's news radio. 62 00:04:06.479 --> 00:04:11.159 Yeah, so in Madison's peace. Clearly, if this young man 63 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:14.639 had been born here, he would be a US citizen. 64 00:04:14.960 --> 00:04:18.199 And the comment that the last part of the report 65 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:21.199 from Madison is that he has lived here since childhood, 66 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:26.879 obviously came here from another country and does not have 67 00:04:27.480 --> 00:04:32.079 citizenship status. As I understand that just watching the different 68 00:04:32.079 --> 00:04:37.279 news reports tonight, he is being held somewhere in Burlington 69 00:04:37.319 --> 00:04:39.519 and a judge of federal judges ordered that he not 70 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:45.040 be moved. There was some questions and answers with the 71 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:48.279 officials at the news conference. The media was looking for 72 00:04:48.319 --> 00:04:52.240 more information than they were able to they were able 73 00:04:52.279 --> 00:04:56.920 to get. Frankly, so this is a cut number thirty one, Rob. 74 00:04:57.199 --> 00:05:01.120 This is the acting ice direct to Todd Lyons who's 75 00:05:01.120 --> 00:05:05.720 from the Boston area. Sparring with the media focused again 76 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:08.680 not so much on what they wanted to talk about today, 77 00:05:08.720 --> 00:05:13.480 which was the fourteen hundred and sixty one individuals who 78 00:05:13.560 --> 00:05:15.560 have been arrested in the last month. He ad just 79 00:05:15.680 --> 00:05:19.000 in Massachusetts, and it was much more focused on the 80 00:05:19.879 --> 00:05:24.639 circumstances of Marcello Gomez. And again it's Geos. I'm not 81 00:05:24.639 --> 00:05:27.120 sure if it's spelled, if it's pronounced like the former 82 00:05:27.160 --> 00:05:30.480 Red Sox player Johnny Gomes or Gomez g me e Z, 83 00:05:30.759 --> 00:05:37.160 but we'll it's spelled g mes, But Madison was referring 84 00:05:37.199 --> 00:05:40.199 to as Comez, So I'm assuming that's the correct pronunciation. 85 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:42.839 Cut thirty one, please, Rob, So. 86 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:44.639 I'll put it back on you. What about an eighteen 87 00:05:44.720 --> 00:05:46.480 year old did you just stop for a traffic violation 88 00:05:46.600 --> 00:05:49.160 by Mass d police who's wanted to being a habitual 89 00:05:49.199 --> 00:05:52.439 traffic defender on his way to graduation? Would you be 90 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:54.279 asking that same question to the Mass Date police for 91 00:05:54.319 --> 00:05:56.560 not arresting him? Like, I didn't say he was dangerous. 92 00:05:56.879 --> 00:05:58.920 I said he's in this country legally and we're not 93 00:05:58.959 --> 00:06:00.000 going to walk away from anybody. 94 00:06:00.240 --> 00:06:00.959 So where is he? 95 00:06:01.160 --> 00:06:02.439 Is he having due process? 96 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:03.439 Does have the lawyer? 97 00:06:03.680 --> 00:06:05.240 Yeah? Well the whole due process thing. 98 00:06:05.319 --> 00:06:08.399 ICE doesn't just scoop people off the street and remove them. 99 00:06:08.800 --> 00:06:10.920 Everyone gets due process and that is what the US 100 00:06:10.959 --> 00:06:13.639 Attorney's office for. It's with the immigration courts up for 101 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:15.560 they all do that. He will go in front of 102 00:06:15.560 --> 00:06:18.959 immigration judge, he'll have the opportunity to post bond. But again, 103 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:22.519 I'm just gonna ask you a question. Boston police stopped 104 00:06:22.519 --> 00:06:24.079 an eighteen year old on the way to high school? 105 00:06:24.279 --> 00:06:25.800 Are we having this conversation right now? 106 00:06:26.720 --> 00:06:28.720 Would be some evidence. 107 00:06:29.240 --> 00:06:32.199 It happens every day every day doesn't. There are multiple 108 00:06:32.240 --> 00:06:35.600 eighteen year olds arrested, but yet we are focused on 109 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:38.199 this one. And I will say, his dad hasn't turned 110 00:06:38.279 --> 00:06:40.240 himself in yet, and his dad knows he's the target 111 00:06:40.279 --> 00:06:40.519 of it. 112 00:06:41.839 --> 00:06:44.839 Yeah, that was another point that they seem to make today. 113 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:48.000 So what I want to do is I want to 114 00:06:48.040 --> 00:06:51.079 open up this. I want to open up a very 115 00:06:51.639 --> 00:06:52.680 civil conversation. 116 00:06:53.480 --> 00:06:53.600 Uh. 117 00:06:53.879 --> 00:06:57.360 I don't care what your point of view is on this. 118 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.680 I just would love to hear from as many of 119 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:04.959 you as possible. I must tell you, I think that 120 00:07:05.360 --> 00:07:11.800 the more that ICE would focus on really dangerous people criminals, 121 00:07:11.800 --> 00:07:15.680 and there were apparently a lot of people with some 122 00:07:16.240 --> 00:07:22.399 significant criminal records, not just parking tickets or jaywalking, who 123 00:07:22.439 --> 00:07:27.199 have been scooped up. I think the vast majority of citizens, 124 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:30.399 whether you live in Massachusetts or any of the other 125 00:07:31.079 --> 00:07:35.920 forty nine states, would support ICE in getting people who 126 00:07:36.000 --> 00:07:42.519 are dangerous off the streets and if necessary, if possible, 127 00:07:42.560 --> 00:07:47.160 out of the country, never to return or convict them 128 00:07:48.120 --> 00:07:51.560 and put them in prison. Here. That seems to me 129 00:07:51.720 --> 00:07:56.079 to be something that I think most people can agree upon. 130 00:07:56.720 --> 00:08:01.079 I think the fundamental difference is that that there's still 131 00:08:01.120 --> 00:08:04.600 a split in this country, and there are some people 132 00:08:05.399 --> 00:08:09.560 who want to make sure that the borders are completely 133 00:08:09.600 --> 00:08:15.560 secure and that to whatever extent the the immigration that 134 00:08:15.600 --> 00:08:19.040 has not come across the borders legally can be reversed 135 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.839 with under the Trump administration, versus those who will say, 136 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:27.759 once you get here, you you have a significant number 137 00:08:27.800 --> 00:08:31.879 of rights. You have some rights clearly that that that 138 00:08:31.879 --> 00:08:34.519 that do arise. But the rights that you have here, 139 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:38.600 as I've tried to explain before, are not the same 140 00:08:38.919 --> 00:08:42.519 rights as a as a US born or a US 141 00:08:42.639 --> 00:08:46.080 naturalized citizen. So I'd like to hear from you. I 142 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:51.120 suspected ICE made a special effort here in Massachusetts because 143 00:08:51.240 --> 00:08:55.240 the head of ICE, Tom Homan, has made it very 144 00:08:55.240 --> 00:08:58.559 clear that he intended to focus on Massachusetts. We are 145 00:08:58.600 --> 00:09:02.279 a sanctuary state, We're not the only sanctuary state, and 146 00:09:02.360 --> 00:09:07.679 we may not be a sanctuary state in officially. I 147 00:09:07.720 --> 00:09:11.600 don't think the legislature has ever deemed us a sanctuary state. 148 00:09:11.679 --> 00:09:15.120 I don't think that this governor or any prior governor 149 00:09:15.559 --> 00:09:18.039 signed a piece of legislation that said we are a 150 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.879 sanctuary state. I do think that Boston is perceived as 151 00:09:22.080 --> 00:09:25.600 and rightfully so, as a sanctuary city where the mayor 152 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:29.759 has said that everyone in Boston will be protected no 153 00:09:29.799 --> 00:09:31.960 matter what your status is. And I do know that 154 00:09:32.000 --> 00:09:34.519 there are other cities around the Commonwealth that have taken 155 00:09:34.840 --> 00:09:38.919 positions that they are either sanctuary cities or they use 156 00:09:39.000 --> 00:09:42.799 the euphemism of a welcoming city. So let's just have 157 00:09:42.919 --> 00:09:45.240 at it here and have a conversation. I'd love to 158 00:09:45.279 --> 00:09:47.440 know what you think. Do you commend ICE for coming 159 00:09:47.440 --> 00:09:51.039 into Massachusetts and having a focus on Massachusetts or do 160 00:09:51.080 --> 00:09:55.360 you think that we are being unfairly treated by ICE 161 00:09:55.720 --> 00:09:59.600 because of the positions in the statements that are political leaders. 162 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.399 I've articulated six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty 163 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:07.399 six one seven, nine three, one ten thirty join the conversation. 164 00:10:07.840 --> 00:10:10.080 We got open lines. Let's get it going right after 165 00:10:10.120 --> 00:10:11.799 this short commercial break. 166 00:10:12.960 --> 00:10:18.600 Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's news radio. 167 00:10:19.039 --> 00:10:25.600 So we have discussed immigration, legal immigration for years here 168 00:10:25.679 --> 00:10:28.440 on Nightside, and we have now come to a point 169 00:10:29.039 --> 00:10:32.000 where as a result of the election of last November, 170 00:10:32.840 --> 00:10:36.960 action is being taken. Now. I know that a lot 171 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:40.000 of people are pleased by this and a lot of 172 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:43.159 people are displeased by it, And whatever your point of view, 173 00:10:43.799 --> 00:10:47.120 feel free to share your your thoughts with us tonight. 174 00:10:47.200 --> 00:10:49.639 Let me go first off to Steve and Bridgewater. Steve, 175 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:52.039 welcome your first tonight first this week on Nightside. Go 176 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.000 right ahead, Steve, Hi, Dan, how you doing. 177 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:57.159 I feel special being the first one tonight. 178 00:10:57.399 --> 00:11:00.320 Well, thanks very much for getting us going. That's someone 179 00:11:00.399 --> 00:11:02.279 someone has to jump in the water first, So go 180 00:11:02.399 --> 00:11:03.240 right ahead. 181 00:11:03.879 --> 00:11:04.039 Oh. 182 00:11:04.120 --> 00:11:08.120 I did a couple of things. First of all, I 183 00:11:08.159 --> 00:11:13.320 think that what basically what they're doing is right. And 184 00:11:13.720 --> 00:11:18.320 first of all, in regards to getting these horrific criminals 185 00:11:18.320 --> 00:11:21.120 off the street that have been victimizing people over the 186 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:23.879 past four years, getting them out of the country. And 187 00:11:23.919 --> 00:11:27.320 not only that, even if they're not criminals, if we 188 00:11:27.399 --> 00:11:29.600 go in the country dinner, we hang out there for 189 00:11:29.600 --> 00:11:31.399 a while, they're gonna throw us out of there too. 190 00:11:32.080 --> 00:11:35.120 If we don't have a visa or we don't become citizens, 191 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:36.120 it's the same thing. 192 00:11:36.279 --> 00:11:39.279 Right, No, I understand, I understand. But the point I 193 00:11:39.320 --> 00:11:42.240 was trying to make. And if you're a supporter of 194 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:47.600 an aggressive and ambitious deportation effort, which sounds like you 195 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:54.600 you are. Yeah, what happens is when the authorities in 196 00:11:54.840 --> 00:12:04.159 this case obviously the the the ICE leadership, They when 197 00:12:04.159 --> 00:12:10.559 they make a mistake or when they grab somebody who is, 198 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:14.360 let's say, eighteen years old and as a high school student, 199 00:12:15.000 --> 00:12:19.480 that doesn't quite fit what most people are thinking about 200 00:12:19.519 --> 00:12:26.799 about the people who are dangerous. And I think about 201 00:12:26.879 --> 00:12:32.440 the the woman from Tufts. I think that for they 202 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:38.000 arrested and sixty one people, the one that we're talking 203 00:12:38.039 --> 00:12:40.720 about tonight primarily is the eighteen year old student from 204 00:12:41.840 --> 00:12:50.720 Milford High School. And it's that mistake that this ice 205 00:12:51.279 --> 00:12:56.200 or this administration makes which takes the focus away from 206 00:12:56.440 --> 00:12:59.840 you know, I think everybody would agree murderous rapist, child, 207 00:13:00.120 --> 00:13:03.879 Lester's sex traffickers get him out or put him in jail. 208 00:13:03.960 --> 00:13:06.159 I don't. I don't think there's anyone out there tonight 209 00:13:06.440 --> 00:13:08.360 who's going to say no, I want all of these 210 00:13:08.399 --> 00:13:11.600 people to live here freely. There may be some, I guess. 211 00:13:11.919 --> 00:13:15.399 I guess that's possible, but it just becomes it becomes 212 00:13:15.480 --> 00:13:20.879 I think, counterproductive when you make a mistake. Why did 213 00:13:20.919 --> 00:13:24.120 they they were looking for this kid's dad, They weren't 214 00:13:24.159 --> 00:13:28.200 looking for him. And I understand their position. When they 215 00:13:28.240 --> 00:13:33.879 find someone who's you know, collateral to the search, who's 216 00:13:33.879 --> 00:13:36.600 not here legally, they'll scoop him up. But it just 217 00:13:36.600 --> 00:13:40.360 seems to me, if you're looking for a father and 218 00:13:40.440 --> 00:13:43.799 you happen to get the kid, maybe use the kid 219 00:13:43.799 --> 00:13:46.399 as a messenger and say to the to the father, 220 00:13:46.519 --> 00:13:49.000 look to say to the kid, tell your daddy's got 221 00:13:49.039 --> 00:13:52.519 to turn himself in as soon as possible. And I 222 00:13:52.559 --> 00:13:55.440 don't know. I mean, you know, if you're going let's 223 00:13:55.440 --> 00:13:58.039 say you go into a into an apartment and you're 224 00:13:58.080 --> 00:14:01.279 looking for an MS thirteen gang bang her and there's 225 00:14:02.279 --> 00:14:04.720 five other members of the MS thirteen in there, Well, 226 00:14:04.799 --> 00:14:07.120 you're going to grab all of them. I get it, okay, 227 00:14:07.200 --> 00:14:11.000 if you're llegal, okay, but I just think that the 228 00:14:11.120 --> 00:14:17.519 judgment sometimes the videotape of the Toughs University, a doctoral 229 00:14:17.559 --> 00:14:22.039 student who had written the article in the Toughs newspaper. 230 00:14:22.120 --> 00:14:26.039 I talked about it weeks ago. It just it's counterproductive if. 231 00:14:25.919 --> 00:14:27.919 The real purpose Again, I was going to bring that 232 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:31.120 situation up with that girl, okay, because what I what 233 00:14:31.200 --> 00:14:34.039 I meant to also say is I heard I was 234 00:14:34.080 --> 00:14:37.240 listening to the news thing you when you were playing 235 00:14:37.679 --> 00:14:41.159 that head Ice local Ice person even saying, oh, we 236 00:14:41.200 --> 00:14:43.519 don't just school people up. We give them the process 237 00:14:43.519 --> 00:14:45.919 and everything. But that's not true. What they did to 238 00:14:45.960 --> 00:14:50.600 her is cut. What's the word I'm looking for. It's 239 00:14:50.639 --> 00:14:52.720 against what he just said. They did just school for 240 00:14:52.840 --> 00:14:55.240 up and they didn't give her the right to talk 241 00:14:55.279 --> 00:14:57.399 to a lawyer. They just helped her for three months. 242 00:14:57.559 --> 00:14:59.679 It couldn't even come up with a legitimate reason why 243 00:14:59.759 --> 00:15:02.000 they why they picked her up. 244 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:05.240 Yeah, they would say, they would argue, and I agree 245 00:15:05.240 --> 00:15:07.200 with you, but they would argue. They would say, well, 246 00:15:07.360 --> 00:15:09.799 you know she was able. She finally had her day 247 00:15:09.840 --> 00:15:12.440 in court. They moved her around. Remember they took her 248 00:15:12.519 --> 00:15:14.399 up to Vermont and they flew the next thing, she's 249 00:15:14.440 --> 00:15:19.200 in Louisiana. So yeah, they were doing a little forum shopping. Uh, 250 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:22.720 just as as the a c l U does forum shopping. 251 00:15:22.919 --> 00:15:27.279 They try to find a judge or a district, federal 252 00:15:27.320 --> 00:15:29.639 district where they might have a better shot. But no, 253 00:15:29.679 --> 00:15:31.120 I agree with you. I agree with you, and I 254 00:15:31.200 --> 00:15:35.399 just think that now you know, if if, if bad 255 00:15:35.480 --> 00:15:39.720 people are being picked up, everyone, everyone is going to 256 00:15:39.799 --> 00:15:42.919 be in favor and I assume virtually everyone's going to 257 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:44.360 be in favor of that. I just think that it 258 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:50.000 was a it's a tactical mistake, that's all. But we'll 259 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:54.120 see how it goes you, I assume support generally the 260 00:15:54.159 --> 00:15:58.159 Trump administration and and their efforts to get the bad guys, 261 00:15:58.600 --> 00:16:01.639 the bad, bad people out of the country. 262 00:16:02.600 --> 00:16:06.279 Yeah, we got to reverse them the horrific mistakes that 263 00:16:06.799 --> 00:16:09.639 damage to bid the cause, letting them all these letting 264 00:16:09.679 --> 00:16:11.120 all these people in to begin with. 265 00:16:11.399 --> 00:16:14.679 Well ironically, I mean again, I don't know if Joe 266 00:16:15.000 --> 00:16:16.919 at this point, you're beginning to wonder how much Joe 267 00:16:16.919 --> 00:16:20.360 Biden realized what's going on. But I'll tell you this, whoever, 268 00:16:21.679 --> 00:16:23.559 and I think you're going to blame may Orcus. I 269 00:16:23.600 --> 00:16:28.720 think I've talked with friends of mine who were longtime 270 00:16:29.440 --> 00:16:33.159 you know, democratic activists, and you know, they firmly believe 271 00:16:33.159 --> 00:16:36.919 in the Democratic Party, but they now look back at 272 00:16:36.960 --> 00:16:39.679 the appointment of may Orcus as a huge mistake and 273 00:16:39.720 --> 00:16:44.279 something that cost the Democrats dearly in twenty twenty four, 274 00:16:44.519 --> 00:16:45.000 no doubt. 275 00:16:45.440 --> 00:16:48.120 Oh yeah, yep. All right, thank you, thank you very 276 00:16:48.200 --> 00:16:49.120 much for taking my call. 277 00:16:49.200 --> 00:16:52.279 I appreciate the call, I appreciate the tone. Thank you much, appreciate. 278 00:16:52.519 --> 00:16:55.919 Let's try to keep the conversation on that level. Six one, seven, two, five, four, 279 00:16:56.000 --> 00:16:59.159 ten thirty. Actually that's the only lines that are open 280 00:16:59.240 --> 00:17:01.799 right now. The one seven, nine three one lines are full. 281 00:17:02.240 --> 00:17:04.759 I have two Mary's Mary and Boston Mary and Lexington 282 00:17:04.839 --> 00:17:06.599 there next, And if you'd like to jump on board, 283 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:11.000 uh six one seven, two, five, four, ten thirty. I 284 00:17:11.039 --> 00:17:14.880 don't intend to talk about this for much longer than 285 00:17:14.880 --> 00:17:18.480 an hour, if that so, if you want to speak now, 286 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:21.799 speak now or forever, hold your peace, get get to 287 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:23.720 the lines when the lines are open. So many people 288 00:17:23.759 --> 00:17:25.440 will call me. They'll say, oh, I called, and the 289 00:17:25.480 --> 00:17:28.039 lines were full, And I'll say, what times you call? Oh, 290 00:17:28.079 --> 00:17:30.960 I like five minutes of ten or something like that. 291 00:17:31.079 --> 00:17:34.240 I think, well, that's that's when the lines are full. 292 00:17:34.799 --> 00:17:36.119 We'll be back on nightside. 293 00:17:37.160 --> 00:17:41.400 You're on night Side with Dan Ray on WBS Boston's 294 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:42.079 news radio. 295 00:17:42.880 --> 00:17:45.559 All right, we got the phone lines full. Let's keep going. Now, 296 00:17:45.640 --> 00:17:48.519 let's go to Mary in Boston. Mary next on nightside, 297 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:48.839 Go right. 298 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:51.680 Ahead, Yes, Hi, how are you? 299 00:17:52.160 --> 00:17:56.240 I'm doing great? Let's sure take this spate of activity 300 00:17:56.240 --> 00:17:56.880 this weekend. 301 00:17:58.400 --> 00:18:04.640 I think it's very very bad, and this is something 302 00:18:04.720 --> 00:18:12.519 that it's against God, you know, uh law, Really, God 303 00:18:13.039 --> 00:18:17.559 is not against the immigrants. The immigrant is to be respected, 304 00:18:18.279 --> 00:18:23.759 is to be treated as part of members of everyone 305 00:18:23.799 --> 00:18:29.319 else's community, not to be mistreated, not to be persecuted, 306 00:18:31.279 --> 00:18:37.000 and not to be treated like people are being treated. 307 00:18:37.359 --> 00:18:40.240 And if I can, marriage just kind of ask you 308 00:18:40.319 --> 00:18:42.440 a couple of questions, if I could, and I understand 309 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:44.480 your the religious point of view that you have here 310 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:46.759 and I respect it. Do you think that's it? 311 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:49.200 I'm sorry, it's not really religious. 312 00:18:49.240 --> 00:18:52.039 Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you mentioned no. No, I 313 00:18:52.119 --> 00:18:56.200 know you when you invoke when you vote God, I 314 00:18:56.559 --> 00:19:00.200 think it's based at least in a if not a 315 00:19:00.200 --> 00:19:04.440 a religious religious, uh position, at least in a position 316 00:19:04.559 --> 00:19:08.720 that the things that we have a responsibility to to 317 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:11.519 our creator. So my question is this, here's my question. 318 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:15.440 Do you do you think that the United States has 319 00:19:15.440 --> 00:19:20.759 a right to regulate who comes into the country and doesn't. 320 00:19:21.039 --> 00:19:27.640 Coming any any country in I guess in the world. Yes, 321 00:19:27.880 --> 00:19:31.960 can regulate the Buddhists can be should be closed, and 322 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:37.039 criminals should be treated as they deserve to be treated. 323 00:19:37.680 --> 00:19:43.400 But not because somebody is illegal in a country. It 324 00:19:43.519 --> 00:19:45.640 is an immigrant, Okay. 325 00:19:45.640 --> 00:19:48.640 So I'm just trying to I'm just trying to understand 326 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:50.279 where you're coming from. And I'm not trying to give 327 00:19:50.319 --> 00:19:51.880 you a hard time, just trying to understand where you're 328 00:19:51.880 --> 00:19:52.839 coming from. 329 00:19:53.759 --> 00:19:56.480 Just just think if it was somebody in your family 330 00:19:57.000 --> 00:20:07.119 or whoever it is, the savor of these just thank you. Yeah, 331 00:20:07.160 --> 00:20:07.519 go ahead. 332 00:20:08.039 --> 00:20:10.160 Okay, So my question to you is this. You said 333 00:20:10.200 --> 00:20:13.400 that countries have a right to have borders and control 334 00:20:13.440 --> 00:20:14.039 who comes. 335 00:20:13.880 --> 00:20:14.519 In the country. 336 00:20:14.720 --> 00:20:21.440 Throw the borders. That's right, exactly, but not. 337 00:20:21.759 --> 00:20:23.799 If I just want to finish my question, and that 338 00:20:23.920 --> 00:20:27.200 is this, if the countries have a right to control 339 00:20:27.319 --> 00:20:33.839 borders when people come across those borders, uh, and they don't, 340 00:20:34.319 --> 00:20:38.079 They don't go through the legal process, but they get 341 00:20:38.119 --> 00:20:40.599 into the country as there are a lot of people 342 00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:43.599 in the country who are good people. By the way, 343 00:20:43.640 --> 00:20:46.160 they're not necessarily all criminals. I agree with you, they're 344 00:20:46.200 --> 00:20:48.519 not all criminals. What do you do with the people 345 00:20:48.559 --> 00:20:51.799 who have come here illegally? Once you get in the country, 346 00:20:52.240 --> 00:20:53.079 are you home free? 347 00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:59.200 There should be legalization, there should be understand there should 348 00:20:59.200 --> 00:21:04.000 be Actually it's also written that the immigrants it is 349 00:21:04.039 --> 00:21:07.400 to be helped, it is to be treated as part 350 00:21:07.440 --> 00:21:12.279 of community, as part of the human family, as family, 351 00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:17.880 not to be mistreated. If there was here, should not 352 00:21:18.160 --> 00:21:21.640 be treated as they are. And God will tolerat it. 353 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:25.680 God will let me finish please, God will tolerate it 354 00:21:26.359 --> 00:21:29.160 up to some time, up to when he feels like 355 00:21:29.599 --> 00:21:32.279 but there is a time that he's going to punish. 356 00:21:32.640 --> 00:21:35.759 He's going to punish this president. He's going to punish 357 00:21:35.880 --> 00:21:40.160 the country as well if the people, the majority of 358 00:21:40.279 --> 00:21:44.440 the people of the country is accepting and letting this happen. 359 00:21:45.000 --> 00:21:45.119 Uh. 360 00:21:45.240 --> 00:21:47.799 This is written for whoever does not read the Bible. 361 00:21:47.880 --> 00:21:50.920 Never read the Bible. Just grab one and read it 362 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:52.000 in the Bible. 363 00:21:54.559 --> 00:21:56.839 To religion again, well, Mary, appreciate your. 364 00:21:57.799 --> 00:22:00.839 It's not anion to religion. It is it is what 365 00:22:01.039 --> 00:22:02.160 it is supposed to be. 366 00:22:02.559 --> 00:22:03.160 Very much. 367 00:22:05.240 --> 00:22:05.599 Mary. 368 00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:08.359 I think I've got your point of view, and I 369 00:22:08.359 --> 00:22:10.200 get some other folks that want to hear from as well. 370 00:22:10.240 --> 00:22:13.920 So thanks for calling call anytime. Always nice to hear 371 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:15.000 from you. Thank you very much. 372 00:22:15.200 --> 00:22:17.079 Okay, thank you to let me go. 373 00:22:17.000 --> 00:22:20.200 To another Mary in Lexington. Mary and Lexington, you're next 374 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:21.279 one nights. I go right ahead. 375 00:22:21.920 --> 00:22:24.400 Yes, thank you for taking my call. And I just 376 00:22:24.519 --> 00:22:27.319 have a thought that I think is being missed here. 377 00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:29.319 I mean, it's my thought, but I just wanted to 378 00:22:29.400 --> 00:22:32.039 share it. And first off, I want to say that 379 00:22:32.559 --> 00:22:36.319 I do feel very badly for this high school student 380 00:22:36.480 --> 00:22:40.559 and I hope that things work out for the young man. However, 381 00:22:41.759 --> 00:22:44.279 we should look at the whole picture here, and my 382 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:48.839 thought is is that I believe that the Healey administration 383 00:22:49.079 --> 00:22:53.799 has a hand in this because ICE organization was very 384 00:22:53.839 --> 00:22:58.039 clear when they said they need not just want, but 385 00:22:58.240 --> 00:23:04.599 need help and cooperate to get only the criminals. But 386 00:23:04.920 --> 00:23:07.480 if they're not going to get the help and cooperation, 387 00:23:08.079 --> 00:23:10.359 then they're going to do it on their own. And 388 00:23:10.640 --> 00:23:14.559 if they happen to come across the situation where somebody 389 00:23:14.759 --> 00:23:19.000 is illegal, they can't just turn a blind eye and 390 00:23:19.079 --> 00:23:23.839 walk away. Now they were looking for this young man's father. Now, 391 00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:29.079 had the Healey administration cooperated and given ICE the information 392 00:23:29.799 --> 00:23:35.319 to specifically go get the father or have more detailed information, 393 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:40.400 then this wouldn't have snowballed into this young man now 394 00:23:40.839 --> 00:23:43.079 where he is. And I also have a question is 395 00:23:43.359 --> 00:23:46.319 well where is his father? Did his father turn himself 396 00:23:46.319 --> 00:23:47.279 in for the sake. 397 00:23:47.039 --> 00:23:51.440 Of the well as of watch just watching tonight's newscasts, 398 00:23:51.799 --> 00:23:54.720 maybe he will knowing his son is in custody. I 399 00:23:54.759 --> 00:23:57.039 think that a good dad would do. 400 00:23:57.079 --> 00:23:58.839 That, To be honest, I would think so. 401 00:23:58.880 --> 00:24:02.160