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Speaker 1: We all have this image, don't we, The island escape.

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It's this ultimate fantasy, right.

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Speaker 2: A little piece of paradise, cut off from everything.

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Speaker 1: Exactly, ringed by blue water, no stress, no news alerts.

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Speaker 2: But what if that very separation, that isolation, wasn't an

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escape from our worst impulses, but was actually the perfect

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place for them to grow.

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Speaker 1: Islands are funny that way. By their very nature, they're

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blank slates for extremes. When you cut a place off

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from the rest of the world, it often becomes a

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crucible for something, well, something intense.

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Speaker 2: Intense is a good word for it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It could be a natural defense system that evolves

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completely unchecked, or it could be a place where human

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rules just stop applying, and that's when you get tyranny,

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or hidden crimes, or even state sanctioned torture.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Thrilling Threads. Today, we are taking a deep

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exploration into some of the darkest corners of the globe,

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and we're using a really compelling video from WatchMojo dot

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com as our guide.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called Ten Islands with Disturbing Secrets, Won't Believe.

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And our mission today is to go past those you know,

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those sensational titles and really unpack the sinister backstories of

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these ten islands. We're going to try to extract the

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real stories about hidden histories, bio warfare tests, and just

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modern depravity.

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Speaker 2: And we're going to look at not just what happened

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on these remote little dots on the map, but why

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why did the geography of isolation make them the perfect

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spots for such darkness? Right, We'll look at islands where

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nature itself is the monster, places where history has left

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these deep, permanent scars, and then islands where modern secrets

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were kept under lock and key.

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Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it. We've broken our

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deep dive down into a few main categories, kind of

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moving from geographical danger to I guess moral contamination. We're

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going to start with places that are just ruled by

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untamed isolation. Then we'll confront the islands scarred by historical trauma,

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the penal colonies. After that we dive into human experimentation

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and modern infamy.

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Speaker 2: And we finished with something just purely bizarre.

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Speaker 1: Exactly the Macaw and the unexplained. So get ready to

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completely rethink your idea of a remote getaway.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not the travel Burscher let's.

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Speaker 1: Start our journey where the danger is well purely biological.

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It's not man made. It's Snake Island or Ilada Kamata

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Grande off the coast of Brazil.

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Speaker 2: This place really holds the title of it and it's

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not an exaggeration. Probably the most dangerous place on the planet.

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Speaker 1: And it's not because of war or you know, some

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kind of conflict. It's because of its wildlife. Just the

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sheer lethal density of it.

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Speaker 2: The numbers alone are kind of hard to wrap your

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head around. It's a pretty small patch of land, but

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estimate suggests it's home to somewhere between two thousand and

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four thousand snakes.

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Speaker 1: Wow.

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Speaker 2: But here's the thing. It's not just the number that's terrifying.

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It's the specific type of snake, the lethality of the

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resident species.

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Speaker 1: We are talking about the Golden lance d viper.

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Speaker 2: Critically endangered. And this is the key detail, and that's.

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Speaker 1: The thing we really need to grasp here, rightdimism. This

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viper is found absolutely nowhere else on Earth, nowhere. Its

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entire evolutionary history is trapped on this one single island,

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and that isolation has shaped it into a truly, I

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mean a truly terrifying biological weapon isolation.

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Speaker 2: In this case, it acted like a hyper accelerant for evolution.

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I mean, you have to ask, why is its venom

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so incredibly.

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Speaker 1: Potent five times his potent is his mainland cousins.

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Speaker 2: Right at least? And the reason is because its primary

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prey isn't rodents on the ground, it's migratory birds.

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Speaker 1: Ah, Okay, that makes sense.

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Speaker 2: Think about it. If a mainland viper bites a mouse,

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the mouse runs maybe a few feet, dies, and the

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snake just follows the cent trail. No problem.

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Speaker 1: But if a golden lance head bites a bird.

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Speaker 2: The bird might fly away. It could fly for miles

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before the venom takes effect.

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Speaker 1: So the evolutionary pressure was all about speed. It needed

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a venom powerful enough to cause like immediate catastrophic system

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failure exactly.

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Speaker 2: The venom had to work almost instantly, so the bird

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would drop dead before it could get too far away.

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The land said's venom is intensely hemotoxic, necrotic y. It's

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designed to just shut down organ systems in seconds.

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Speaker 1: The source material really doesn't pull any punches describing it.

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It paints this incredibly visceral picture of what a bite

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means for a human it says a particularly painful death. Hmmm,

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you're gonna die screaming.

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Speaker 2: And biologically speaking, it's a perfectly engineered predator. It's survival

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depended entirely on maximizing its efficiency in this really unique,

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isolated place.

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Speaker 1: What's so fascinating, and I guess deeply ironic, is the

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human side of this. I mean, this island is the

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definition of a forbidden zone, yet the Golden Land seat

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population is actually declining.

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Speaker 2: Right, It's an island that's way too deadly for any

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kind of tourism, but apparently not too dangerous for greed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's the bizarre conflict here.

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Speaker 2: The single biggest threat to this apex predator is the

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illegal pet trade. These vipers fetch an sane amount of

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money on the black.

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Speaker 1: Market because they're so rare.

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Speaker 2: Because they're rare, because they're specialized, because they're so deadly.

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People are literally willing to risk that screaming death to

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capture these endangered animals.

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Speaker 1: And that's forced the Brazilian Navy to strictly control who

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goes there completely.

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Speaker 2: They bar everyone except you know, approved research teams and

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maybe some maintenance officials. But the irony is they're mostly

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protecting the snakes from us now, not just protecting us

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from the snakes.

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Speaker 1: It's just a strange commentary on what we value, isn't it.

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The very thing that makes the snake so lethal is

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what makes it so valuable to collectors. It creates this

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cycle where extreme danger equals extreme black market demand.

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Speaker 2: Precisely, the isolation that protected the viper from every other

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threat couldn't protect it from the one specific human threat

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of illicit trafficking.

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Speaker 1: So moving from an island ruled by hyper evolve venom,

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we shift to an island ruled by absolute human isolation.

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Speaker 2: North Sentinel Island in India.

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Speaker 1: Yes, and here the danger is in a cree. It's

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the community, the Sentenles people.

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Speaker 2: And this community represents a level of isolation that is

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almost it's almost unbelievable. In the twenty first century, they

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are believed to be the world's most isolated community.

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Speaker 1: How long have they been there.

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Speaker 2: It's estimated they've lived on that island for at least

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fifty thousand years. Fifty fifty thousand years with virtually zero

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sustained contact with the outside world. I mean, just stop

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and think about that for a second. Fifty millennia of

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continuous undisturbed culture. That timeline is just staggering when you

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think about recorded history everywhere else.

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Speaker 1: And their stance on outsiders is consistently and sometimes violently

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very clear. They want nothing to do with us.

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Speaker 2: Nothing.

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Speaker 1: The source material site specific documented tragedies. There were the

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two fishermen who trespassed in two thousand and six and

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were killed, and then the very public case of the

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American Christian missionary who was killed in twenty eighteen.

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Speaker 2: The consistency of the hostility is really the defining characteristic here.

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The Indian government maintains a strict exclusion zone, a policy

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of non contact for two reasons.

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Speaker 1: Right to prevent these kinds of conflicts, but also.

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Speaker 2: But also to protect the sentences themselves from diseases. They

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have absolutely no immunity to common pathogens we carry. A

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common cold could wipe them out.

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Speaker 1: But here's where the source material throws a ranch into

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this narrative of just pure, unending hostility.

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Speaker 2: The nineteen nineties exactly.

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Speaker 1: It mentions this brief window of attempted contact in the

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nineties when Indian anthropologists would offer gifts things like copin

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that's some bananas and the tribe actually showed for a

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time relative friendliness.

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Speaker 2: But then in the two thousands they went right back

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to their intense lethal hostility. So you have to ask

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why why the sudden shift.

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Speaker 1: Back, And the truth is we the outside world will

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probably never know for sure. That mystery is so central

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to the island's whole.

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Speaker 2: Legacy, but we can analyze the possibilities right the reasons

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suggested by anthropologists and historians.

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Speaker 1: One of the most immediate and I think most tragic

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theories is disease. They might have got and sick from

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the anthropologists or from the gifts they received. Even with

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the best intentions.

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Speaker 2: They just don't have the immunity that we all take

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for granted. Another theory, sort of the opposite, is that

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they got angry when the gift giving stopped.

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Speaker 1: So they saw it as disrespect or abandonment after this

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period of perceived alliance.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, But I think the third theory is the most

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chilling because it connects their aggression today all the way

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back to a deep, multi generational historical memory.

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Speaker 1: You mean the idea that their hostility is a learned defense.

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Speaker 2: Exactly the source suggests, and I quote, maybe they want

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to steal their women or steal their children, because that's

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happened to them before in their history.

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Speaker 1: That's a profound thought. It completely reframes their aggression. It's

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not innate savagery, so a rational, high stakes defense strategy.

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Speaker 2: It could be they might be remembering encounters from centuries ago, slavers,

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colonial explorers, shipwreck survivors who came with violence. Their extreme

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isolation today isn't a choice they made in a vacuum.

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It's a fiercely protected cultural boundary that was necessitated by

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a history of trauma.

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Speaker 1: So their refusal of contact is essentially a collective trauma response.

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Speaker 2: It's a very real possibility, and it certainly makes you

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question the arrogance of assuming we have any right to

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breach that isolation. Given what their history with the outside

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world might have been. They're paying the highest price to

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maintain their sovereignty.

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Speaker 1: So if that section was about how isolation can act

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as a shield, this next set of islands shows how

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humans intentionally use that same isolation as a weapon, a

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cruel weapon.

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Speaker 2: The island becomes a tool for banishment. It enables systematic

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abuse far away from the prying eyes of the mainland.

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Speaker 1: And we have to start with one of the most

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infamous names in the history of incarceration Devil's Island.

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Speaker 2: Ild Diablo in French Guiana.

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Speaker 1: It was known as a colony of the damned, and

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that name alone just conjures these images of unimaginable suffering, and.

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Speaker 2: The irony is just so powerful. Today it's a popular

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tourist destination. People go there on tours, but its history

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is just soaked in death.

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Speaker 1: In eighteen fifty two and nineteen fifty three, the French

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Empire sent approximately eighty thousand prisoners there.

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Speaker 2: Eighty thousand, and the survival rate is the most damning

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statistic of all.

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Speaker 1: Out of those eighty thousand, only about two thousand are

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recorded as having survived the experience.

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Speaker 2: That horrific mortality rate confirms the whole philosophy of the place.

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The source says it perfectly. No one was intended to

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Speaker 1: This wasn't just a prison. It was a state sanctioned

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plan for elimination through neglect and forced labor in a

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hostile tropical climate.

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Speaker 2: And there was this concept called relegation or internal exile.

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It meant that even if you somehow survived and finished

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your sentence, you were then forced to stay in French

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Guiana for an equal amount of time.

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Speaker 1: Which basically meant a lifetime of exile and death in

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that brutal environment for most.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the causes of death were just relentless. You had diseases, malaria,

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yellow fever, dysentery, running rampant in the heat and humidity.

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by men by guards and other prisons were exceptionally common and.

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Speaker 1: The punishments were so terrifying that the idea of a

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swift death was actually appealing.

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Speaker 2: And that alternative was known as the dry guillotine.

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Speaker 1: We should probably clarify what that means. It wasn't a

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mechanical device.

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Speaker 2: No, not at all. The dry guillotine was the slow, agonizing,

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torturous death administered by the environment itself.

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Speaker 1: Disease, starvation, relentless labor, physical abuse.

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Speaker 2: Yes, it was this intentional process of degradation, and it

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was considered worse than the quick wet guillotine, the mechanical

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execution device they used elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: It's just horrifying to imagine the system. Whereas slow torture

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is considered the state's preferred method over a quick execution,

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and what makes it Even worse is that this system

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was used against political enemies and victims of prejudice, not

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just you know, hardened criminals.

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Speaker 2: The classic case study here is Alfred Dreyfus. He was

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a Jewish artillery officer falsely convicted of treason in the

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eighteen nineties. The whole thing, the Dreyfus affair was fueled

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by this deep seated French anti Semitism. They use forged

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documents to frame him.

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Speaker 1: And Devil's Island was the perfect tool for the French

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military and government to just sweep this huge injustice under

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the rug.

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Speaker 2: The source notes he was kept completely isolated in a

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small stone hut right on the edge of the sea.

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It was a symbol of the government's power to silence

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inconvenient truths by literally exiling them to a forgotten, deadly

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place thousands of miles away.

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Speaker 1: When you tour that island today, you just see a

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relaxing landscape. But when you understand that seventy eight thousand

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people basically vanished into that environment, the historical shadow is

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just impossible to ignore it impossible. Moving from the French

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penal system to Japan's industrial era, we find another island

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defined by brutal labor. Hashima Island off the coast of

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Nagasaki un Kanjima.

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Speaker 2: It looks like a massive abandoned battleship floating in the ocean.

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Speaker 1: It's an incredible sight.

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Speaker 2: Ashima was this testament to rapid industrialization. It was built

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for coal mining, and by nineteen fifty nine it was

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the most densely populated place on Earth, over five one

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thousand people living in this tiny, vertically stacked concrete city.

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Speaker 1: But that architectural marble hides a really gruesome secret, one

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that's tied to Imperial Japan's wartime expansion.

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Speaker 2: During the nineteen thirties, the island became a site of

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extreme forced labor.

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Speaker 1: Japanese forces brought thousands of Korean civilians and Chinese prisoners

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of war to Hashima, and they.

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Speaker 2: Forced them to work in these dark, cramped coal mines

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under just horrific brutal conditions. The source material is very

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clear about this. The abuse led to most perishing on

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the island.

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Speaker 1: It was a deadly engine for colonial expansion, where human

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life was just deemed completely expendable for resource extraction.

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Speaker 2: And then the island's end was so swift the coal

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ran out in the nineteen seventies and it was abandoned

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almost overnight, which is.

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Speaker 1: Why we have this haunting ghost city image. Today.

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Speaker 2: The concrete buildings are still there, apartment blocks, schools, a hospital,

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all still standing, but as the source says, in terrible condition.

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They're just slowly collapsing under the sea air and being

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recleaned by nature.

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Speaker 1: And since two thousand and nine, tourists have been allowed

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Speaker 2: Which presents this very stark juxtaposition. You have tourists walking

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through the ruins of this incredibly sophisticated industrial tomb that

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was built on the backs of wartime atrocities. It forces

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you to confront the real cost of that kind of

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rapid development.

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Speaker 1: And this theme of sanitizing and rebranding history. It just

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continues with our neck location Santosa Island in Singapore.

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Speaker 2: Today it's all universal studios, luxury resorts, pristine beaches.

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Speaker 1: But its original name was Poula Bela Kangmati.

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Speaker 2: Which translates directly to the island behind which death lies.

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Speaker 1: The difference between a name meaning death and the theme

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park designed for fun, it's just jarring. It really shows

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how profoundly we can erase and replace a dark history.

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Speaker 2: The origin of that dark name isn't totally clear. There

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are theories that it was a haven for pirates or

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that it was haunted, but the.

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Speaker 1: Simplest explanation from the source is actually geographical right.

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Speaker 2: That the island sheltered a stretch of water from the wind,

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creating what locals called dead water because there was no current.

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Speaker 1: Regardless of where the name came from, the island certainly

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earned its morbid reputation later on.

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Speaker 2: It did. Under the British Empire, it was a crucial

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military base controlling access to the port of Singapore. But

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during World War Two, when the Japanese invaded and occupied Singapore,

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Sentosa was instantly converted into a prisoner of war camp.

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Speaker 1: The source says about a thousand Allied troops were held

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there in poor conditions. So you have this military infrastructure

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now being used for wartime suffering and confinement.

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Speaker 2: It's a remarkable transformation in a short time, British fortress

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to Japanese pow camp to modern luxury resort, all in

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about seventy years.

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Speaker 1: The rapid commercialization just speaks volumes, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: It does the prime real estate value of the place

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ultimately one out over its historical weight. It's a textbook

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example of the market deciding that history, especially painful history,

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is something to be paved over and replaced with escapism.

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Speaker 1: And our final historical trauma Island is this bizarre, almost

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unbelievable tale of Clipperton Island in French Polynesia.

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Speaker 2: It's this tiny, remote, ring shaped island, just four miles wide,

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sitting all alone in the Pacific.

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Speaker 1: Clipperton's story is a perfect illustration of how geopolitical neglect

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can create a complete vacuum of governance.

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Speaker 2: And how that allows for absolute tyranny to flourish.

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Speaker 1: The island was initially claimed by Mexico, which set up

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a small military colony there in nineteen oh five, mostly

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for guano mining.

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Speaker 2: But the colony's fate was sealed by events thousands of

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miles aware. The Mexican Revolution erupted in the nineteen tens,

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and in the chaos of the Civil War, this remote

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outpost was just forgotten.

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Speaker 1: Supply lines were cut, communications stopped, the settlers were left

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completely isolated, and most of them perished by nineteen fourteen.

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Speaker 2: And it's into this catastrophic vacuum that a man named

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Victoriano Alvarez, the island's lighthouse keeper. He stepped into that

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power vacuum.

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Speaker 1: And proclaimed himself king, the app ruler.

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Speaker 2: Of the island. All external authority had vanished.

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Speaker 1: This is where the story shifts from a historical tragedy

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to something like Folkhorr Alvarez, fueled by total isolation and

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unchecked power, he enslaved the remaining eleven women and children

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on the island.

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Speaker 2: He ruled his tiny personal kingdom for two whole horrific years.

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Speaker 1: The fact that it lasted for two years really highlights

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just how extremely isolated they were.

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Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, If this had happened anywhere else, this homegrown

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tyrant would have been dealt with swiftly. But because Mexico

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was consumed by revolution, his reign of terror was allowed

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to continue, powered entirely by his physical separation from any

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rule of law, and.

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Speaker 1: The only reason it ended was through a desperate act

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of self justice.

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Speaker 2: In nineteen seventeen, one of the enslaved women finally snapped and.

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Speaker 1: Murdered him, and shortly after that, an American gunboat just

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happened to be passing by, noticed signs of life, and

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rescued the eleven survivors, all women, and children.

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Speaker 2: The takeaway from Clipperton is just so clear. When civilization

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removes all external checks and geographical distance, does that perfectly

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human morality can devolve so quickly. The island didn't just

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isolate the victims, it completely empowered the oppressor.

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Speaker 1: We're going to transition now from the scars of historical

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tyranny to the intentional actions of modern states and high

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profile criminals.

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Speaker 2: These are islands chosen specifically for their remoteness to facilitate secrecy,

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either for dangerous scientific experiments or for crimes against humanity.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with Grenard Island, or as it's known, Anthrax Island,

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off the coast of Scotland.

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Speaker 2: It looks so quaint, doesn't it, Just this wind swept

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rock in the sea, but its past is profoundly tied

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to the secrets of twentieth century warfare.

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Speaker 1: This remote island was the test site for one of

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the most chilling what if scenarios of World War Two.

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It was code named Operation Vegetarian.

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Speaker 2: The British government, terrified of German chemical attacks, was developing

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its own biological county, and the.

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Speaker 1: Plan was horrifyingly simple and efficient.

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Speaker 2: The ambition was to just carpet the German countryside with

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what looked like ordinary linseed cakes for livestock, but.

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Speaker 1: They were filled with weaponized anthrax spores.

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Speaker 2: The goal was to cause a massive anthrax epidemic among

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German cattle, disrupting their food supply, their war effort, everything.

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Speaker 1: Operation Vegetarian was eventually abandoned in favor of Operation Overlords

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the D Day landings, but the testing for it had

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to happen somewhere, somewhere safe, secluded and far from the.

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Speaker 2: Mainland, and green Ard Island was chosen. The test itself

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was brutally straightforward. They put eighty sheep on the island

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and then they bombed them with anthrax spores.

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Speaker 1: And the results were immediate and absolute. The entire island

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became thoroughly.

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Speaker 2: Contaminated, and this leads to the technical question, right, why

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did the contamination last so long? The source reminds us

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that anthrax is a naturally occurring organism, but when it's weaponized,

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the spores are incredibly durable.

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Speaker 1: You're like bacterial time capsules.

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Speaker 2: That's a great way to put it. They are extremely

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resistant to heat, to desiccation, to chemical agents. It allows

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them to just stay viable in the soil for decades.

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Speaker 1: Which is why the test immediately made Grudard Island completely

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unfit for any human or animal life. For so long,

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it became this permanent quarantine zone, a silent testament to

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the extreme dangers of biological weapons testing.

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Speaker 2: The longevity of the danger is what's truly staggering. The

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island was finally declared cleared up by nineteen ninety after

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almost half a century of quarantine.

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Speaker 1: And that required this immense sustained decontamination effort. They saturated

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the island with formaldehyde, a powerful disinfectant, to finally neutralize

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the spores in the soil.

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Speaker 2: Grenard is just this chilling example of the long tail

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of biological contamination. It shows how enduring and disruptive these

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weapons are, and that the environment itself pays the price

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for our wartime ambitions. It locked down a perfectly good

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piece of land for fifty years.

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Speaker 1: From state level secrets, we moved to modern high profile

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criminal depravity Little Saint James or Epstein Island in the US.

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Speaker 2: Virgin Islands, and here the remoteness wasn't from military secrecy.

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It was to enable high profile crimes away from any

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kind of judicial scrutiny.

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Speaker 1: This infamous private island was owned by Jeffrey Epstein from

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nineteen ninety eight until his death in twenty nineteen, and

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the sheer isolation of a private island bought and controlled

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by immense wealth it provided the perfect setting for absolute secrecy.

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Speaker 2: It's widely believed that, as the source puts it, a

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ton of his most egregious crimes took place there.

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Speaker 1: The source material is clear that the island became a

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hot spot for his crimes against miners, and critically, he

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reportedly invited many of his rich and powerful friends to

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this location. The island acted as both the stage and

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the shield for systemic abuse.

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Speaker 2: And the specific details cited by victims just reinforced that

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sinister atmosphere. One victim, Virginia Roberts, claimed she was abused

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by Prince Andrew on the island.

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Speaker 1: And there's that unsettling anecdote from a local pilot, Guy Dom,

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who said he assumed the young female passengers arriving were

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Epstein's wife.

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Speaker 2: Had kids, until he realized Epstein had no either. It

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just highlights the deception and the normalization of criminal activity

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that this kind of isolation afforded him.

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Speaker 1: And locals claim these activities continued right up until Epstein's

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death in twenty nineteen. This wasn't some ancient historical secret.

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This was a contemporary crime scene, shielded by geography and wealth.

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Speaker 2: So what happens to an island with such an intense

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moral stain? Its current fate raises these profound questions about wealth, memory,

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and accountability.

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Speaker 1: It was bought by a billionaire, Stephen Deckoff for sixty

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million dollars in twenty twenty three.

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Speaker 2: And his reported plan is to transform it into a

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luxury twenty five room resort.

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Speaker 1: The idea of turning a site of such recent and

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profound abuse into the ultimate exclusive getaway is I mean,

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it's deeply unsettling. It's the ultimate act of historical sanitization.

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Speaker 2: The market value clearly outweighed the moral stain. It suggests

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that if you have enough capital, even the deepest moral

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compromises can be absorbed, rebranded, and then monetized.

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Speaker 1: It's just like what happened on Sentosa, but instead of

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paving over wartime trauma, this is paving over ongoing systemic

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criminal abuse.

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Speaker 2: It's such a really disturbing precedent for how we as

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a society address the physical sites of high profile crime.

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Speaker 1: Our final island in this section is Pavelia in Italy.

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It's a short sail south of Venice.

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Speaker 2: First settled in the medieval era, its history is just

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intrinsically linked to death, disease and containment.

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Speaker 1: Pavlia was established as Venice's mandatory quarantine island or Lazaretto,

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starting in seventeen seventy six, and it served that purpose

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for about a century.

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Speaker 2: If you showed any sign of an infectious disease, especially

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the plague, this is where you were immediately sent. The

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geographical separation was crucial to protecting the incredibly dense population

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on the mainland in Venice.

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Speaker 1: Because of this very dark history, Pavelia has become highly sensationalized,

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especially for ghost hunters and paranormal enthusiasts.

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Speaker 2: And this is where we really have to pause and

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distinguish between verifiable history and popular myth.

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Speaker 1: Right it raises an important question for any deep dive,

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how do you treat these sensationalized statistics.

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Speaker 2: For instance, the widely cited claim that one hundred and

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sixty thousand plague victims were abandoned and buried there. Our

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source explicitly labels this as an unconfirmed figure.

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Speaker 1: And it's likely wildly exaggerated.

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Speaker 2: It almost has to be. While hundreds or even thousands

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certainly died there over the centuries, the small size of

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the island and the historical burial records they just don't

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support that scale. It's a number that's been perpetuated by

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dark tourism, war, not rigorous history.

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Speaker 1: And after its use as a quarantine center ended, Bavelia

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served a more mundane function as a geriatric.

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Speaker 2: Hospital, which was operational until nineteen sixty eight. That's pretty

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recent history for an island that's defined by the medieval plague.

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Speaker 1: Today, the issue is controlling the narrative and the traffic.

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The island's reputation has made it this magnet for unauthorized visits.

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Speaker 2: So Venice is now trying to make it a locals

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only island. They want to preserve it from the tourist

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hoards and the ghost hunters. It's an attempt to reclaim

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its history and its physical space from the monetization of

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fear that we just saw being attempted on Little Saint James.

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Speaker 1: It's an attempt to maintain control over a deeply historic

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contained space.

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Speaker 2: We've covered everything from natural assassins, to state secrets and

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millionaire depravity. Our final island. It really defies any easy classification.

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Speaker 1: This is a place of pure psychological horror. It embodies

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folklore and the profoundly bizarre. The Island of the Dolls

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or Ila de las Munecas.

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Speaker 2: In Mexico, this is a true site of folk horror.

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It's located within the canals of Sikmilco in Mexico City,

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and the source argues it's the creepiest island on earth.

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You can visit right now, and.

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Speaker 1: The atmosphere is just oppressive. The visual impact makes it

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look and I'm quoting here straight out of a horror flick.

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Speaker 2: The name comes from the sheer, overwhelming number of dolls,

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often rotting, dismembered, draped in spiderwebs that cover every available surface.

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They're on the trees, the fences, the buildings, everywhere.

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Speaker 1: And the story centers on the man who did this,

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the former owner, Don Julian Santana Barrera.

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Speaker 2: Barrera started this bizarre collection about a century ago. The

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local folklore is that he began hanging the dolls after

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a young girl drowned tragically near the island, and.

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Speaker 1: He started collecting them, some intact many brought in and

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hung them all across the island as a way to

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appease the drowned girl's spirit, or maybe to ward off

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other evil spirits.

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Speaker 2: And this wasn't a quick project. This was a personal,

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decades long obsession that created this mass display of unsettling artifacts,

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and it continued right up until his death in two

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thousand and one.

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Speaker 1: The scale is what's important here. It's not just a

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few creepy dolls in a window. It's a forest that

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is saturated with hundreds, maybe thousands of them, all with

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these vacant stairs.

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Speaker 2: What's fascinating is the social reaction to the place. It's

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not just a tourist trap. It's transcended simple curiosity, and

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it's entered the realm of genuine local superstition.

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Speaker 1: Our source notes that a fair few Rowers refused to

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take people there due to its haunting nature.

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Speaker 2: And that's a testament to the power of the atmosphere

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he created, the eccentricity of one man created a place

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that is deemed genuinely spiritually dangerous by members of the

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local community.

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Speaker 1: I mean, think about the psychological impact every doll is decomposing,

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their plastic skin is cracked from the sun and rain.

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Their eyes are often missing. It just taps into that

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primal human fear of inanimate objects coming to life.

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Speaker 2: And that primal fear is captured perfectly in the final

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unsettling thought from the source material.

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Speaker 1: No one has confirmed if any of these dolls have

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come to life, but who is to say they haven't.

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Speaker 2: That statement just perfectly sums up the whole atmosphere of

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the Island of the Dolls. It's not about documented history

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or verifiable facts. It's about the suspension of disbelief and

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the acceptance of this ambient atmospheric dread.

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Speaker 1: It's such a stark contrast to the other islands. Here,

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the horror isn't based on state violence or natural venom.

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It's based purely on a single isolated man's intense project

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and the unnerving legacy that project left behind.

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Speaker 2: So as we wrap up this deep dive, the collective

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darkness that's been revealed is really the power of geography.

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Islands are perfect containers for humanities extremes. Their geographical separation

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makes them ideal for natural evolution where life can become

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legally concentrated, or for human society to conduct its dirtiest business.

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Speaker 1: Banishing criminals, experimenting with biological weapons, facilitating hidden abuses. Exactly,

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we've traveled such a spectrum of horror. We started with

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Snake Island, where nature is the undisputed ruler and the

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threat is just biological perfection. We move through the intentional,

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man made horror of the French penal system and the

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industrial brutality of Hashima, and we look at the uncomfortable

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reality of modern infamy on Little Saint James.

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Speaker 2: The common thread through all of them is that isolation

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enables extremes. The statistics are staggering. Seventy eight thousand lost

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lives on Devil's Island, the fifty thousand years of isolation

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on North Sentinel, the five decades of anthrax contamination on

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Greunar Card. These events cast long, powerful shadows for me.

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Speaker 1: The key takeaway for you, the listener, is the surprise

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factor in these profound historical contradictions. The speed with which

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trauma is paved over, sanitized, and commercialized is just chilling.

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It is Sintosa becomes a theme park, Devil's Island becomes

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a tourist spot. Little Saint James is slated to become

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a luxury resort. It makes you realize that almost every

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idyllic location may have a painful, complex history that's been

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intentionally erased for convenience or for profit.

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Speaker 2: The whole journey forces us to confront these difficult moral

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questions about memory and justice and how we even define

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a safer civilized space. It shows us that isolation, while

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we often seek it out, is maybe the greatest amplifier

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of both nature's power and human immorality.

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Speaker 1: So we turn the question back to you. We've explored

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islands where humans were victims of nature, victims of war,

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and victims of tyranny. Considering this full spectrum of contained horrors,

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which of these dark island histories, the fiercely protected isolation

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of the scent Lees, the forced labor that led to

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most perishing on Hashima, or the planned luxury resort on

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the former crime scene of Little Saint James, Which one

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raises the most unsettling questions for you about the intersection

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of geography and human morality. What do you think is

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the most disturbing secret these islands hold, and why we

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invite you to share your thoughts