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Speaker 1: Michigan did repeal their right to work law after a

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decade of having it be in place. The Democrats took

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the House by one vote and the Senate by one

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vote and had a Democrat governor in Gretchen Whitmer. And

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on the first day of the legislator session when they convened,

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they introduced to build a repeal right to work. So

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workers now in Michigan are forced to pay union neuser

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fees in order to keep their jobs.

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Speaker 2: It's outrageous. We'll continue to fight.

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Speaker 4: And welcome. You are listening to the Financial Survival Network.

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I'm your host, Carrie Lutz. They've got interesting guests to

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you for you today and we're going to be talking

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about labor issues in the country. Is the Republican Party

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about to head off of a cliff? Social Security union?

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Is keeping teleworkers in their contract for four years. But

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I don't believe that's going to hold because DOJE is

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going to blow right through them. Mark Mixed National Right

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to Work Committee. Mark, great to have you on the show.

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You know, Trump and the Republican Party, it's become the

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party of the working man, and yet a lot of

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what he wants to do, certainly in the government well

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government worker I've always thought was a bit of an oxymoron,

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shall we say, or a contradiction in terms. But this

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thing of letting them tele a work which means no

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work for four years, how is that going to hold up?

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Speaker 1: Well, Kerrie, look, thanks for the opportunity to come talk

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to you about all this stuff. You're right, it's kind

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of an interesting realignment that we're seeing politically, this idea

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that the Republicans now are the representatives of the working class.

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But one thing that remains clear, Carrie, is when you

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think about, you know, labor, we talk about labor, we

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misinform people and misdefine what labor is. When you're talking

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about labor, you need to make sure you're talking about

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American workers as opposed to union officials. The separation is

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dramatic and getting wider all the time between the union

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officials on one hand, and the rank and file workers

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they claim to represent. There's a growing chasm ideologically politically,

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however you might define it, between union officials and workers.

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So Donald Trump won the hearts and minds of the

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American working class by talking about a secure border, smaller government,

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you know, enforcing laws against crime, keeping boys out of girls,

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restrooms and locker rooms and out of sports, things like that.

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Speaker 2: That attracted you know, common sense voters. Union officials, on

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Speaker 1: Hand, continue to push for this collectivism that's been damaging

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and has had significant impact on the economy and other things.

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And carry to your point, you know, Joe Biden, as

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a partying gift to the American Federation of Government Employees,

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agreed to a contract that allows the Social Security Administration workers,

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forty nine thousand of them, to continue working remotely over

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the next five years.

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Speaker 2: But I think you're right. I think there'll be a

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Speaker 1: I think Elon Musk and the vak Ramaswami has something

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Speaker 2: Know you do too.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, well, I think it's absurd that they can

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work from home. I mean, you know, there might be

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certain instances and certain classes of employees who can work

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from home, but people that you need to supervise on

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a day to day basis, who are making decisions here

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that are very important to the individuals involved. How do

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you let those people work from home?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you shouldn't.

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Speaker 1: I mean they you know, we're only using according to

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Senator Joony Ernstavaiawa, we're only using about ten percent. And

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there was a Federal Network News Service Network survey only

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ten percent of the leases and the operation buildings in

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DC are being utilized right now. And we're paying like

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seven billion dollars a year to lease them or to

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operate these buildings and they're only being ten percent utilized.

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Speaker 2: Something's wrong with that picture.

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Speaker 1: And as a tax payer and as a citizen, we

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ought to be very very concerned about that. To your point,

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think is predicated on their ability to be supervised. To

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the human nature says, yeah, I'll work hard, but I

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suspect that we're not as efficient and we're not as

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effective as a government by letting you know, ninety percent

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of the workers or whatever it is. I mean I

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know the unions and CNN and the Washington Post and

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others have defended this saying, yeah, well, it's not as

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big as you problem as you think, but your point

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about efficiency, effectness and being able to manage really gets

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hurt and gets hit hard when a large percentage of

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So, I mean, I like the hybrid idea of

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them working, you know, one or two days a week

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because there's benefits for employees when you give them that

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flexibility and hopefully they return the return the favor in

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increased productivity. There's a lot of I mean, my daughter

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for big corporations, and I know that they work their

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Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a bottom line there, Carrie. Somebody's paying attention

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to their work for sure.

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Speaker 1: And when you think about like the VA, the Treasury Department, HUD,

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the Labor Department, the Education Department, they still haven't gotten

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the Biden administration and the Chief of staff there, Jeff

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Zenz or whatever his name is, basically send a letter

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to all these agencies had said you're not doing your job.

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Speaker 2: Get those people back in the office.

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Speaker 1: I mean, this is just as recently as a couple

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the COVID pandemic that led to all this. So there's

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a lot that still has to happen. I think to

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your point, Musk and Ramaswami are going to have something

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, Carrie, there's going to be litigation. The unions will

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bring lawsuits because all of this remote work.

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Speaker 1: For example, the American Federation of Government Employees represents allegedly

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eight hundred thousand federal workers, and all of their contracts

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contain a requirement that you bargain over any changes to

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remote work policy.

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Speaker 2: So they'll be litigation for sure.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Well, it's going to be interesting to see because

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a lot of those people they want to get rid

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Speaker 1: Right, Well, I think so one of the things they're

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saying is that probably we could reduce the size of

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government fairly significantly and still get the same productivity and

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the same results from a government to smaller And I

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don't have any particular opinion about that, other than to

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believe it by people who work it there look at

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government and say, yeah, there's some efficiencies that can be made.

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you can't cut anything out of government is lying to us.

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Speaker 2: Carrie, we know that lying to us.

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Speaker 4: For sure, for sure, and I reckon. And there's all

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these useless agencies. It's all part of the Washington issue here, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Indeed, you know when you think about the mayor

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of Philadelphia demanding that all of the government workers in

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Philadelphia come back because she knows what it's doing to

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the local economy, the restaurants and the shops downtown in Philadelphia. MARYL.

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Speaker 1: Bowser, the mayor of DC, has issued an edict that

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everyone has to come back to work, and she's asking

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the federal government to make sure they get a one

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hundred percent compliance with people working in buildings because now

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these little mom and pop businesses down in Washington, d C.

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or breakfast or coffee, those people are really really hurting.

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Speaker 2: So there's a whole bunch of different issues that fold

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Speaker 1: But the most important thing, and I think the thing

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that I get concerned about is the actual monopoly power

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that union officials have in the public sector. In the

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government sector, you know, it was Franklin Roosevelt carry back

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to our conversation briefly at the beginning about the nineteen

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thirties in labor policy, he was asked about the unionization

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of government, and he.

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Speaker 2: Said, it's unthinkable.

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Speaker 1: It's intolerable that you would organize unions in government because

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they're not the same as the private sector. That is

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so obvious to anyone who understands economics one oh one

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that the idea of putting a private organization in between

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elected officials and people that vote for those elected officials

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and giving them privileges above ordinary citizens is something that

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really has been detrimental. And you look at the states

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that do this quote really well California, New York, Illinois,

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New Jersey, Connecticut, Rhode Island, where basically unions control sixty

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or seventy percent of the government workforce. Those states are

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literally hovering on the abyss of financial destruction because of

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Speaker 4: Yeah, Nevada is also one of those states too, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they've made promises too. Yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So so how does this get resolved here? Like

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your organization, A lot of states have passed right to

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work laws, but now they're in the midst of trying

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to roll them back, like in place like Wisconsin, right.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yeah, that's right, and Nevada.

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Speaker 1: There's been talk about it in Nevada and Arizona and Wisconsin.

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Michigan did repeal their right to work law after a

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decade of having it be in place. The Democrats took

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the House by one vote and the Senate by one

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vote and had a Democrat governor in Gretchen Whitmer, and

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on the first day of the legislative session when they convened,

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they introduced the bill a repeal right to work. So

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workers now in Michigan are forced to pay union deus

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Speaker 2: It's outrageous. We'll continue to fight it.

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Speaker 1: I think one of the most important battles though, to

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your point carry talking coming back to the government sector,

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is states can actually roll back the power of government unions,

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and hopefully the federal government will do the same thing.

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I don't think the Republicans in the US Senate or

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the US House have any appetite for this because they

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like the money that comes in. They don't want to

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upset you know, these large lobbies that have literally hundreds

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of millions of dollars to spend on politics. The Democrats

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would do it, They would increase government power dramatically. Union

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of Republicans just say, well, if we just do it

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gradually over time and just take a finger and a

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hand and an arm and an elbow and a shoulder

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and we don't get any vital organs, we can probably

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get away with this stuff.

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of what's happening.

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Speaker 1: But I think one of the narratives of this next

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four years is going to be reducing the number and

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size of the federal government. And I think that'll trickle

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financial situation for many of the states is going to

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be improving and carry. I know you'd know more about that,

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but literally, the state of California, the state of Illinois,

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the state of New York, they are again on the

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precipice of a financial disaster.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah. The only thing that staved it off, I

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guess was the COVID aid that the god from DC

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and that's all gone now, and now they're left looking

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for the next grift. And in the meantime, state like

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to Florida. I mean, Miammi is now the financial capital

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of the United States. It's shifted from New York almost overnight.

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when I moved down here, that hedge funds were gradually

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moving operations here to avoid taxes, regulation and for other reasons.

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the woke mind virus that was sweeping New York. I mean,

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it's made the place unlivable.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, those equality of life issues are pretty important.

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kind of regulatory environment and the idea that it's it's

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in Florida, and certainly Wall Street's a big part of that.

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And we've seen that a lot of you know, hedge

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fund people actually ask questions about labor policy as they're

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looking at investing in companies, and we're seeing more and

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more of that, and we're seeing a Boulder kind of

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CEO culture that actually makes the point about mentioning.

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Speaker 2: You know, look, we found we want to take care

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of our employees.

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Speaker 1: We don't want a third party in between our employees

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and us, and that brings the question of you know,

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union accountability. One of the things the simple things that

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are right to work law does is it gives the

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work the power to hold a union official accountable if

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the union officials are stealing their money, if they're doing politics,

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or they disagree with workers can say, you know what,

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I'm not going to pay for this anymore. And in

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right to workstates, they have that right to do that,

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forcing them states if you don't pay, you lose your job.

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So that's an attractive part of some of this move

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that we're seeing, and it's not just because they have

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air conditioning in the South.

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Speaker 2: Now, it's because they have better policies.

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Speaker 4: Well, just to give you for example, in Florida, the

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latest budget was one hundred and sixteen point five billion.

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In New York it was two hundred and twenty nine billion.

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Florida now has a roughly twenty percent higher population than

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New York, although we don't know it could be even

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higher than that after the next census. New York's population

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has been static. Florida's manages to run the state. You know,

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we can argue about how well any state is run.

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There were fifty percent less. So the point is, we

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have no income tax in Florida, so therefore it's a

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it's limited how much they could take. They get toll roads,

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they get higher closing costs, real estate taxes might be

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higher in certain instances, but basically, by any measure of

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Florida is better run than New York.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I would guess, and I don't know this,

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but I guess the total tax burden is significantly less

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in Florida than it would be California, notwithstanding the user

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fees and some of the other issues with real estate taxes.

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Speaker 2: I would guess that'd be the case.

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Speaker 1: But then again, you're right, creating an environment where you

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where you accept capital, you accept investment, you accept, you know,

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these opportunities to grow and to help people feed their

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families and and you know, increase their cost their their

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standard of living.

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Speaker 2: That's happening across the country.

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Speaker 1: To your point about the next census, We've estimated, based

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on just preliminary numbers that we're looking at, that the

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right to work states will gain somewhere between thirteen and

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fourteen new electoral votes because of the population shifts to

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those states that have these policies intact.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Yeah. Like for sure, Florida is

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ranked kind of in the middle and total tax burden

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to the lower, but by every measure, Florida is better

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run than any of these failing states. Florida is not

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a failing state. I mean, it's got a rainy day

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fund of some twenty billion. We have our issues here, obviously,

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the insurance issue, storms the illegal immigration issue. We have

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a lot of problems, just like Texas, like any state,

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any country, right, every country in the world. I mean,

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I don't know where this panacea is. I've been looking

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for it my whole life. I haven't been able to

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find it yet, but.

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Speaker 2: If you find it, let me know, would you.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Connecticut's effective tax rate is fifteen point

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four percent according to the Tax Foundation, and that was

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in twenty two. I assume that they haven't changed very much.

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Florida is only nine point one, but you go to

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a place like Wyoming, it's seven point five. California thirteen

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point five. New York is sixteen percent. So we see

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all these numbers here. They don't mean anything unless you're

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the one getting taxed, right.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's right.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: We actually take the tax Foundation data and we do

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a comparison cheam right to work states and non right

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to work states, and I think the latest data set

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that we've looked at shows that you have fulfilled your

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tax obligations about three and a half weeks earlier in

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right to work states the non right to work state.

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So that means that you get an extra three and

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a half weeks of pay for disposable income because you've

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settled up your tax burden with the government three weeks

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three and a half weeks earlier than states that have

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forest unionism.

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Speaker 4: Hey, going to hear something funny, You know what state

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has the lowest effective tax burden.

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Speaker 2: Ah, do my dear gash.

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Speaker 1: Let's see, I'll give me, give me three seconds and

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I will come up with no answer. Go ahead, Alaska

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of all plays Alaska. Yeah, well that's because think of

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those severance taxes on energy. Everyone get j a shack

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for like ten grand a year or whatever it is, right, Yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: I mean what the current Adminton did to Alaska with

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resource projects that they want as clean energy but they

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won't license copper minds. Go figure. Wyoming is number two

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and Tennessee is number three. Florida is number eleven, which

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isn't that bad in the scheme of things.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, anyway, I think I think Alaska is a

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better place, or excuse me, Florida is a better place

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to live in Alaska.

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Speaker 2: There are many people that argue with me on that.

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Speaker 4: But maybe you certainly in the winter, certainly in the

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winter that's the case. In the summer, maybe not so much. Mark,

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tell us how we find you, how we connect with

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you on the web?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you can find that. We have two operations.

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Speaker 1: One we have a legal Defense Foundation that does nothing

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but help employees exercise their rights under the law. That's

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the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation that is

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nrtw dot org, NRQW dot org. And then the committee

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where we do our legislative work both in Congress and

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in all fifty states is the National Right to Work

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Committee NRTWC dot org.

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Speaker 2: RTWC dot org.

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