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<v Speaker 1>Time for the ninth first twenty one to four cast

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<v Speaker 1>is going to be mostly excited to part with flighty

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<v Speaker 1>day to day high eighty five going to the sixty

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<v Speaker 1>two overnight becase. Guys are clearing up gets sun tomorrow

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<v Speaker 1>with high of eighty seven, a few clouds in a

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<v Speaker 1>low of sixty three over Thursday night. Friday is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be a sunny day and outline at ninety degrees

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eight degrees right now, time for traffic. Chuck from

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<v Speaker 1>the UCLP Traumphic Center.

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<v Speaker 2>The University of Cincinnati Cancer Center is open, the most

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<v Speaker 2>comprehensive bund cancer center in the nation. The future of

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<v Speaker 2>cancer care is here called five one three five eighty

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<v Speaker 2>five u SECC westbound two seventy five over a twenty

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<v Speaker 2>minute delay between Milford and an accident of Loveland. They've

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<v Speaker 2>now balked off the right lane after that Loveland Ramp.

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<v Speaker 2>Southbound seventy five slows through Walkland. Northbound seventy five is

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<v Speaker 2>an extra forty minutes between Florence and downtown. Chuck Ingram

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<v Speaker 2>on fifty five KRC the talk station AY twenty seven

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<v Speaker 2>Here fifty five KRC Detalks station. Of course, you know

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<v Speaker 2>it's that time of day, that time of week. Appointment

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<v Speaker 2>listening everyone Wednesday at this time because we get to

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<v Speaker 2>hear from the brilliant Judge Enteropolotan and welcome back your honor.

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<v Speaker 1>Always a plea, Brian.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess I'm chopped liver over at the traffic department

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<v Speaker 3>this morning.

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<v Speaker 1>He probably forgot what day it is. That happens all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and Joe pointed out in actually, in Chuck's defense,

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<v Speaker 1>we can make fun of him and talk about how

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<v Speaker 1>he's isolated from the rest of humanity most of his life.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're having a lot of traffic accidents just in

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<v Speaker 1>the area this morning, and you know, he's responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>traffic all over the Midwest, so he's got his hands

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<v Speaker 1>full apparently, so a bit distracted. So we'll give him

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<v Speaker 1>a break.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm I'm sorry to hear that, and I apologize for

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<v Speaker 3>busting his job.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh no, no, come on, it wouldn't be a Wednesday

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<v Speaker 1>unless we gave Chuck some hard time. He appreciated, appreciates it. Rather,

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<v Speaker 1>let us talk about GETMO. One of my favorite topics

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<v Speaker 1>with you is GETMO because, as I pointed out to

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<v Speaker 1>you in our email exchange yesterday, this creates so much

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<v Speaker 1>cognitive dissonance among my constitutional loving listeners. We have a constitution,

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<v Speaker 1>we all embrace it, You and I and my listening

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<v Speaker 1>audience does everything they can to support it and appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>its value. It's critical to our nation and its future

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<v Speaker 1>to understand these concepts and do everything we can to

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<v Speaker 1>protect them. But then get mo and you got a

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<v Speaker 1>demonstrably evil person, the murderer of people whatever. And it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't care about that damn constitution. Do whatever you want,

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<v Speaker 1>torture them, go ahead, it's gurro me, he's a terrorist.

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<v Speaker 1>That it's the attitude that flows in when we get

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<v Speaker 1>into these concepts that did create so much problems with

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<v Speaker 1>people's respect for the Constitution.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and you know, as I also mentioned in the

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<v Speaker 3>emails that we exchanged last night, I never got in.

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<v Speaker 4>More trouble with my on air Fox colleagues. I'm not

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<v Speaker 4>talking about management. I'm talking about my buddies.

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<v Speaker 3>When I defended the constitutional rights of non Americans. But

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<v Speaker 3>that's easy to do if you've studied the basics and

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<v Speaker 3>the Constitution, because the relevant constitutional amendments protecting people when

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<v Speaker 3>the government wants their life, liberty, or property, protects persons

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<v Speaker 3>or people. It is not limited to just Americans, and

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<v Speaker 3>the Supreme Court has made that very clear. Nevertheless, people

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<v Speaker 3>have so much understandable, understandable animosity toward these guys that

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<v Speaker 3>pulled off nine eleven, even though it was now twenty

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<v Speaker 3>three years ago, that they don't seem to be interested

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<v Speaker 3>in the niceties that do process.

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<v Speaker 4>But think of it this way. If due process.

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<v Speaker 3>Can be denied or watered down because the defendant is

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<v Speaker 3>unpopular or perceived as probably guilty, that could happen to anybody.

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<v Speaker 3>And the whole purpose of the Constitution is to make

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<v Speaker 3>sure it doesn't happen to anyone. And politics, which is

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<v Speaker 3>rearing its head in this College Saik Muhammad case, politics

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<v Speaker 3>should not interfere with due process.

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<v Speaker 4>We have a case here.

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<v Speaker 3>Where the judge, the government lawyers, and the defense lawyers,

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<v Speaker 3>and the defendants and the general supervising these prosecutions have

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<v Speaker 3>all agreed to a plea bargain. They all signed the

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<v Speaker 3>plea agreement, and then a month later, the Secretary of Defense,

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<v Speaker 3>who is not a lawyer, decided, wait a minute, do

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<v Speaker 3>we really want to look weak in the middle of

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<v Speaker 3>a presidential election campaign. He didn't put it that way.

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<v Speaker 3>The way he put it was, I want the public

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<v Speaker 3>to see the evidence in this case.

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<v Speaker 1>No, you don't.

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<v Speaker 3>If the public sees the evidence in this case, the

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<v Speaker 3>government's behavior is indefensible, and you will expose your troops

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<v Speaker 3>to the most vicious retribution. That's not me, that's the

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<v Speaker 3>prosecutors in the case to the Secretary of Defense.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's because of the torture that went on. Correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Correct, it's all because of George W. Bush and colleagues.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, the Congress went along with this and torture.

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<v Speaker 3>Has anybody been prosecuted for torture?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>One CIA agent was prosecuted because he revealed the torture

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<v Speaker 3>and the names of the torturers, and he went to

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<v Speaker 3>jail for three years.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. And that's hard to believe. And you know, the

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<v Speaker 1>interesting maybe detail that my listeners aren't familiar with is

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<v Speaker 1>that this is a military tribunal, correct, Yes, which means it.

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<v Speaker 3>Is actually a federal court with the trappings of a

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<v Speaker 3>military tribunal. When they tried to set it up like

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<v Speaker 3>the post World War two military tribunals and then realized

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<v Speaker 3>that these defendants didn't actually fly the plane, they didn't

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<v Speaker 3>actually pull the trigger to kill people, they were conspirators

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<v Speaker 3>and charged them with conspiracy, and Defense Council said, there's

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<v Speaker 3>no conspiracy in the law of war. You either have

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<v Speaker 3>to drop the conspiracy charger bring us before a regular

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<v Speaker 3>federal court. Congress and the Bush administration responded by saying, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>we'll turn the GITMO Tribunal into a federal court. They'll

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<v Speaker 3>follow the federal rules of criminal procedure, but we'll keep

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<v Speaker 3>it in guantanamobey and we'll let them pick their jury

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<v Speaker 3>from amongst the military.

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<v Speaker 1>But the judge is not necessarily as independent as an

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<v Speaker 1>elected official might be because his boss is the one who

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<v Speaker 1>said pull the plug on the plea agreement, correct.

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<v Speaker 3>So he works for the same boss that the prosecutor

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<v Speaker 3>works for. The chief prosecutor is an admiral, the judge

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<v Speaker 3>a Navy admiral.

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<v Speaker 4>The judge is an Army colonel.

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<v Speaker 3>They are both active duty, they both work for the

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<v Speaker 3>Secretary of Defense. They're both supposed to have independent judgment,

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<v Speaker 3>and Secretary of Defense has big footed their independent judgment

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<v Speaker 3>and said, get rid of the plea agreement.

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<v Speaker 4>I want this guy tried.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's where the absurdity this all comes in, because,

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<v Speaker 1>as you point out in your column Gitmo and Politics,

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<v Speaker 1>which comes out tonight at midnight. Recommend everybody read it.

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<v Speaker 1>That a normal judge and the independent judge that wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>speaking or reacting to that edict that from on high

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<v Speaker 1>that you need to pull the plug on this plea agreement,

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<v Speaker 1>would have said no, everyone here agrees, the prosecutor agrees,

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<v Speaker 1>the defendant agrees to the plea agreement, and I, as judge,

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<v Speaker 1>approve it. So you know, you can take your recommendation

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<v Speaker 1>and put it where the sun don't shine. This is done.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, under the federal rules of criminal procedure, once

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<v Speaker 3>a guilty plea has been entered, signed, and accepted by

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<v Speaker 3>the court, there are no do overs. So I really

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how this ends. Now, just to make this

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<v Speaker 3>even more absurd, this is the fourth judge on the case,

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<v Speaker 3>and this is the second team of defense lawyers and

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<v Speaker 3>the second team of prosecutors. Even though under the Constitution

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<v Speaker 3>you're entitled to a speedy trial, this has been going

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<v Speaker 3>on since two thousand and three.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and that's because of the legal machinations they had

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<v Speaker 1>to go through because again they started it as a

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<v Speaker 1>military tribunal, but as the Supreme Court said, well, this

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<v Speaker 1>is not something that is appropriately in front of a

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<v Speaker 1>military tribunal. So let's start over. Kick the can down

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<v Speaker 1>the road. You and I. You're a judge, you know

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<v Speaker 1>how long it takes the wheels of justice to turn correct.

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<v Speaker 3>Has anybody been tried for nine to eleven? Yeah, you

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<v Speaker 3>may remember this name. A guy by the name of

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<v Speaker 3>Zacharias Musawi was indicted for being the twentieth hijacker and

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<v Speaker 3>something happened.

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<v Speaker 4>And he wasn't able to be around that morning. Obviously

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<v Speaker 4>didn't die, he didn't fly the plane.

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<v Speaker 3>He was charged with conspiracy to commit mass murdery pleaded guilty,

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<v Speaker 3>and then they had a penalty phase trial.

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<v Speaker 4>That the government spent millions on.

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<v Speaker 3>The government tried to prove to a jury that he

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<v Speaker 3>should be executed. The defense tried to approve to the

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<v Speaker 3>jury that he should get life in prison. The jury

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<v Speaker 3>in Virginia, where the government rarely loses, rejected the government's

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<v Speaker 3>argument and he got life in prison. This was fifteen

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<v Speaker 3>years ago. The same thing could have happened to these

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<v Speaker 3>people in Guantanamo Bay if Bush and Cheney had not

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<v Speaker 3>been so hung up on the macho nature of a

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<v Speaker 3>military tribunal. As opposed to a regular criminal trial in

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<v Speaker 3>or three years from indictment to trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Amazing well, and pivoting back to a conversation you and

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<v Speaker 1>I had recently regarding our freedoms of speech. Hillary Clinton

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<v Speaker 1>thinks that maybe people should be criminally or civilly prosecuted

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<v Speaker 1>for the words that come out of their mouth. I

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<v Speaker 1>see had a quote here. I also think that our

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<v Speaker 1>Americans who are engaged in this kind of propaganda referring

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<v Speaker 1>to the Russians maybe having an influence over someone's heart

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<v Speaker 1>and mind, and whether they should be civilly or even

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<v Speaker 1>in some cases criminally charged is something that would be

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<v Speaker 1>a better deterrence. And ultimately made a point that I

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<v Speaker 1>think we need to uncover all the connections and make

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<v Speaker 1>it very clear that you could vote however you want,

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<v Speaker 1>but we are not going to let adversaries, whether it's China, Russia, Iran,

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<v Speaker 1>or anybody else. I emphasize, basically, try to influence Americans

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<v Speaker 1>as to how we should vote in picking our leaders. Sir,

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<v Speaker 1>I get my opinions, commentary, and my analysis based upon

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<v Speaker 1>news sources from around the globe. I am entitled to

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<v Speaker 1>do that. I can read a Russian report and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>perceive it with some measure of bias, recognizing it's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be biased towards Russia's positions, but ultimately those positions

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<v Speaker 1>may be sound ones in my logical mind, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't been convinced by some you know, paid adversary

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<v Speaker 1>to reach that conclusion. I reach it on my own.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm allowed to do that.

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<v Speaker 3>She is former First Lady, of course, former United States senator,

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<v Speaker 3>former Secretary of State, former Democratic Canada for president, and

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<v Speaker 3>a graduate of Yale Law School, and she seems to

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<v Speaker 3>have forgotten the basics on free speech. Guess what, Senator Clinton,

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<v Speaker 3>Secretary Clinton, missus Clinton propaganda is protected free speech. One

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<v Speaker 3>person's propaganda is another person's truth. The test of an idea,

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<v Speaker 3>of a thought, of an opinion is its ability to

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<v Speaker 3>be accepted in the marketplace of ideas, not its consistency.

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<v Speaker 4>With what the government wants.

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<v Speaker 3>The whole purpose of the First Amendment is to keep

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<v Speaker 3>the government out of the business of evaluating the content

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<v Speaker 3>of speech. I was surprised that Rachel Madbow, on whose

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<v Speaker 3>show she said this, didn't jump down her throat. Rachel,

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<v Speaker 3>though very left wing. Is a staunch defender of the

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<v Speaker 3>freedom of speech. This is Clinton, though left wing is

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<v Speaker 3>now an adversary to the freedom of speech unless she

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<v Speaker 3>agrees with it.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just thinking, George Soro spends a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>money trying to influence the hearts and minds toward gravitating

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<v Speaker 1>people toward leftist ideology. We're going to prosecute him. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not advocating for it. He can do whatever he wants

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<v Speaker 1>with his money. But see, that's the point for her,

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<v Speaker 1>It's a question of whose ox is being gored? Correct? Correct?

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<v Speaker 3>It was just reprehensible and if you if you watch

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<v Speaker 3>the clip, she she said it with such venom and fury,

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<v Speaker 3>like she wants to take.

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<v Speaker 4>Brian Thomas and judge Thepolitano.

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<v Speaker 3>And make us defendants in some sort of a proceeding

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<v Speaker 3>for what Because she doesn't like what we say, because

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<v Speaker 3>Joe Biden doesn't like what we say, because Tony Blinken

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't agree with what we say. That's that's as Unamerican

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<v Speaker 3>as is imaginable.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, seeing, get mo your honor, Okay, judge.

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<v Speaker 3>The Politana's defending criminal defense rights and getvo because he's

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<v Speaker 3>worried about ending up there himself.

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<v Speaker 4>There was one American there, Jose Padilla.

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<v Speaker 3>That's a long, long complicated stories, not there anymore, but

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<v Speaker 3>he was there. There was another American there, John Walker Lynde,

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<v Speaker 3>another long complicated story.

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<v Speaker 4>But the other defendants there are not Americans.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, so it is possible, Judge Jennita Palatown to find

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<v Speaker 1>him online. Judging Freedom is searched for that you'll find

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<v Speaker 1>his podcast. Are you going to be talking with today,

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<v Speaker 1>you're honor.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not going to be talking to anybody from the

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<v Speaker 3>Bengals or the Giants, that's for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>I wish you would. You can ask him about the

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<v Speaker 1>one point two billion dollars stadium upgrade, which we the voters,

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<v Speaker 1>the Hamilton County taxpayers, are going to have to pay.

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<v Speaker 1>A topic for another day, and there will be another day.

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<v Speaker 1>That'll be next Wednesday with another edition with Judge Enna

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<v Speaker 1>Palatoonner here in the fifty five Carson Morning Show.

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<v Speaker 3>Colonel Douglas McGregor at eleven o'clock Eastern is I most

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<v Speaker 3>sought after guests to be with me today.

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<v Speaker 1>Always enjoy it, your honor until next Wednesday. Best of health,

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<v Speaker 1>you your honor, you're sir. It's always a pleasure. Thank you,

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<v Speaker 1>Brian eight forty one fifty five care se detalk stations

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<v Speaker 1>stick around. We're gonna hear from Jason Williams from the

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<v Speaker 1>Quire speaking of the stadium, how much are you and

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<v Speaker 1>I going to be paying for a one point two

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<v Speaker 1>five billion dollar upgrade? A Sadly, I don't think the

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<v Speaker 1>answer is zero. And anyway, Chimneycare Fireplace in Stow. I

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<v Speaker 1>year we're not using our chimney stating the obvience. No,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not man's plaining. I'm just encouraging you to consider

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<v Speaker 1>your safety right now while you're not using it. You

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<v Speaker 1>They'll affect the chimneys. See if there's any water damage,

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<v Speaker 1>See if you're lining his cracked, see if it needs

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<v Speaker 1>to be swept, making sure it's venting appropriately. That's and

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<v Speaker 1>that's the truth for you know, not just wood burning fireplaces. Gas.

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<v Speaker 1>operating correctly. The venting issue is a problem. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>Are you receiving letters
