Speaker 1: A Clowndlish Authenticity podcast. Welcome back to another episode of
Speaker 1: Boundless Authenticity. Today, I'm joined by d C. Copeland, an
Speaker 1: established writer, poet, dramatist, and, just like I am, a
Speaker 1: pissed off millennial with a lot to say about a
Speaker 1: plethora of issues. DC has written some books, including an
Speaker 1: artist Manifesto, Writing under the Influence of a Millennial Emergence
Speaker 1: and Societal drop Out, a cultural Manifesto for the New Millennium.
Speaker 1: DC's special skill is capturing the essence of current events
Speaker 1: and rights to an audience who understands that we're currently
Speaker 1: living in dark times and who want to listen to
Speaker 1: a story about overcoming the status quo the cultural, psychological,
Speaker 1: and spiritual sickness created by it. And if you're an everyday,
Speaker 1: ordinary person then you will love this interview. You can
Speaker 1: find DC at dccopeland dot com. And while I'm here again,
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Speaker 2: It's going well, Jahann. Now are you I'm.
Speaker 3: Very pleased that you said my name right?
Speaker 1: If I just made all my troubles float away? Yeah,
Speaker 1: So everybody a little bit about you and how you
Speaker 1: came to be here.
Speaker 2: Great. So I'm DC Copeland. I just earlier I spoke
Speaker 2: with you about why I chose to make my name
Speaker 2: into initials, and it's an interesting little peek into my
Speaker 2: experience the world, which is basically that when I was
Speaker 2: starting out as a poet, starting to get published in
Speaker 2: my twenties, like fifteen years ago, I found that when
Speaker 2: I went by Deborah, I wasn't published as much as
Speaker 2: when I went by D. C. Copeland, and people mistook
Speaker 2: me for a man, and writing these sensitive kinds of
Speaker 2: poems got published more when when they would respond to me, oh,
Speaker 2: you know, you seem like a very sensitive fellow, right,
Speaker 2: like something along those lines, and I would have to,
Speaker 2: you know, say that I was a female, but please
Speaker 2: publish it under D. C. Copeland, And I just started
Speaker 2: using D. C. Copeland as my name, So that's that's
Speaker 2: my name, basic, like the basic name of D. C. Copeland.
Speaker 2: And how I found myself finding you is that I
Speaker 2: wrote society. I wrote I first, I wrote an ARS manifesto,
Speaker 2: which is basically a manifesto dealing with polyamory and sex
Speaker 2: and gender and drugs and suicide. And it kind of
Speaker 2: happened in collaboration with an art gallery which is no more.
Speaker 2: But you know I was. I was friends with someone
Speaker 2: who owned a gallery, and it was just it was
Speaker 2: I started writing about art and I started writing this
Speaker 2: very fast, kind of raw, vulnerable voice. You know, I
Speaker 2: lay prostrate before the authority of my soul. To discuss
Speaker 2: the death drive is not one I easily tackle, but
Speaker 2: my meaning to do so is clear that kind of
Speaker 2: like raw, let's talk about the death drive, Let's talk
Speaker 2: about soul, let's talk about honoring it. All of this
Speaker 2: just kind of poured out, and that became an artist
Speaker 2: manifesto and that is available on Amazon on today. Through that,
Speaker 2: I found an agent, right and and I and he
Speaker 2: was like that this is such an interesting voice. Let's
Speaker 2: talk about like different other other other topics that are
Speaker 2: are our relative to the millennial experience. Let's talk about AI,
Speaker 2: let's talk about social media, let's talk about mental health,
Speaker 2: Let's talk about not just like polyamory, but maybe we
Speaker 2: could talk about gender wars. And he had all these ideas.
Speaker 2: So that became Societal drop Out, a culture manifestor for
Speaker 2: the new millennium. And that right now is being shops
Speaker 2: around to different publishing companies. So so you don't you
Speaker 2: can't purchase that yet, but you will be able to
Speaker 2: purchase that. So that and my agents suggested I started
Speaker 2: looking at podcasts and that's how I found Jahann. I
Speaker 2: looked at he gave me a long list of millennials
Speaker 2: that were doing interesting stuff, and I started doing research
Speaker 2: to collect in order to collaborate with some of these
Speaker 2: fine folks and I and I started listening to Jahan's
Speaker 2: and I was like, this sounds like a soul, a
Speaker 2: fellow soul, doing their thing, being rebellious and with their
Speaker 2: own voice. And I think one of the messages and
Speaker 2: what makes me want to be here today is to
Speaker 2: like to inspire other people to speak with their own
Speaker 2: true voice. And you know, when I say I dropped
Speaker 2: out societal dropout, I'm saying I dropped out of the conventions,
Speaker 2: the conventional way we think about society in order to
Speaker 2: bring to the table my own specific point of view
Speaker 2: on what's really going on beneath how we're taught to
Speaker 2: look at the world.
Speaker 1: I totally identify with what you were saying, though about
Speaker 1: having to change your name, because when I was in
Speaker 1: the music industry, everybody would be like, what kind of
Speaker 1: fucking name is Jahan? We got to change that stat
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody's going to take you seriously. And I
Speaker 1: was like, really, so what you're suggesting is going to
Speaker 1: be taken more seriously than my actual name. That makes
Speaker 1: no sense to me whatsoever, because nicknames are inherently bad.
Speaker 1: In the music industry, band names are inherently bad. All
Speaker 1: of them are bad. Anybody that says, well, that's a
Speaker 1: killer band name is just nuts. They're all inherently bad.
Speaker 1: They just work because it's like a smoke screen for
Speaker 1: a time. But you know, you know how it is.
Speaker 1: That's a thinker. We'll see it, but others won't.
Speaker 3: So I get it.
Speaker 1: And stuff like that's been going on from time immemoriam.
Speaker 1: People don't take you seriously and unless you're not a
Speaker 1: real person to them, you know, they can't reach out
Speaker 1: and touch you.
Speaker 3: That's better for them.
Speaker 1: But you were just telling me about incredibly a harrowing experience,
Speaker 1: and I specifically said to you, and I want this
Speaker 1: to get on the show. Don't fuck with DC Copeland
Speaker 1: because she will come back from the dead and get
Speaker 1: your ass. She's not playing.
Speaker 2: I did come back to be here.
Speaker 1: Jhans, Oh yeah, yeah, So you know tell us about that.
Speaker 2: Well I did. I recently had a brush with death twice.
Speaker 2: I'll say that twice. On October fourth, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 2: I woke up in the worst pain of my life.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're talking like I understood, like she's gone
Speaker 2: believe she's in no more pain like I was. I
Speaker 2: was like, I am dying. I also was eight weeks pregnant,
Speaker 2: and I will say this, it was the happiest I've
Speaker 2: ever been in my life. It was an unexpected pregnancy,
Speaker 2: but I was so happy to be a mother.
Speaker 3: I was.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, I'm doing this, I'm doing this.
Speaker 2: The father was not in the picture, but I was
Speaker 2: still like, I'm like, wow, I will be a single
Speaker 2: millennial mother and I will rock this. I will rock this.
Speaker 2: This is going to be awesome. So I was eight
Speaker 2: weeks pregnant and I woke up with the worst pain
Speaker 2: in my life. I did not go to the emergency room.
Speaker 2: I was and to be frank, I was scared that
Speaker 2: they were going to do something that would hurt the
Speaker 2: unborn child. So I was going to deal with the pain.
Speaker 2: I was going to deal with this bringing pain. A
Speaker 2: few days later, I did go to the emergency room,
Speaker 2: but I didn't let them do anything. I was still like,
Speaker 2: don't touch me. I'm really worried about this child, and
Speaker 2: I will deal with this fucking pain. And like, that
Speaker 2: was the first time I was offered more thing in
Speaker 2: my life, and I actually and I said no. I
Speaker 2: said no, I'm going to go home. Three days later,
Speaker 2: I wound up back in the emergency room, and at
Speaker 2: this point I intuited that there was no way that
Speaker 2: this baby was still alive. I was like, this baby
Speaker 2: is dead and I am dying. My body had started
Speaker 2: shutting down. I couldn't urinate, my stomach had become so distended,
Speaker 2: and I really thought there was just something around me.
Speaker 2: I was like, this is this could be the end,
Speaker 2: and this this sucks, but this might be the end.
Speaker 2: And I went to urgent care, and urgent care called
Speaker 2: the angler. We can't, we need you got to go
Speaker 2: to the emergency roup. So I went to U n
Speaker 2: Yu Land going and uh I had I was septic.
Speaker 2: And for those of you who don't know what sepsis is,
Speaker 2: sepsis is a blood condition where your blood is infected
Speaker 2: and like a normal blood count is like four to
Speaker 2: ten and I was at like a forty something, so
Speaker 2: my blood was really infected, and my organs had started
Speaker 2: shine down. My uterus had shut down, so the baby
Speaker 2: was dead. The my bladder had shut down, so I
Speaker 2: couldn't urinate. Other organs were starting, kidneys were starting to
Speaker 2: shut down my entire body. I was, I was, I
Speaker 2: was dying. And that was the second time they offered
Speaker 2: me morphine. And you better believe it, yes to that.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to just say that. Throughout my entire
Speaker 2: stay at the hospital. For the next ten days, I
Speaker 2: was on heavy orphane and lodden. The miscarriage saved my life.
Speaker 2: I was around the clock and about it's four IV
Speaker 2: ports an n GT tube, which, if those of you
Speaker 2: who don't know, an energyttube goes right through your nose
Speaker 2: into your stomach. It comes to stomach, gets sort of
Speaker 2: like horrible thing. You know, it's like a bag and
Speaker 2: you know, urine collects urine. And and I was, I was,
Speaker 2: I was every day I was. That wasn't sure if
Speaker 2: if I was living or dying. But I lived, I lived,
Speaker 2: baby died. I lived. I get back home after that,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, yes, I'm going to recover now. Now
Speaker 2: I recover, and maybe I will get pregnant again because
Speaker 2: that was so exciting. Maybe I'll find somebody and blah
Speaker 2: blah blah. Two to three weeks later, I mean the
Speaker 2: worst pain again. I'm in horrible pain again, and this
Speaker 2: time I do go right to the emergency room and
Speaker 2: they say, you're appendix as burst, but we can't take
Speaker 2: it out because there's this ball that this abscess and
Speaker 2: that's just an inducted ball of just like and it's
Speaker 2: preventing us from taking out the appendix. We have to
Speaker 2: keep you in the hospital again, give you a bunch
Speaker 2: of the morphine, shrink the abscess, and then you know.
Speaker 2: So they they said, and which is like a head?
Speaker 2: Which is morphine? Uh and and and they said, basically,
Speaker 2: we want you to get the appendix out as soon
Speaker 2: as possible, but you're gonna have pain, and you should.
Speaker 2: You can use this heavy pain, this heavy narcotic to
Speaker 2: manage your pain. So last week I got my appendix out.
Speaker 2: But that but for November and December, I had two
Speaker 2: other stays in the hospital because there was so much pain,
Speaker 2: and I had I had conflict about taking the Dolawden
Speaker 2: because it was it was masking the pain. Anyone who's
Speaker 2: ever taken de lawd in or morphine knows that what
Speaker 2: it does is your pain is really acute, and then
Speaker 2: it dulls the pain and kind of makes it go
Speaker 2: into like like you're on an island and you're away
Speaker 2: from the pain and the pain's over there, but it's
Speaker 2: not real. Whatever's causing the pain is still causing the pain.
Speaker 2: I was given several tests and they said each time
Speaker 2: that the tests were inconclusive because you can see I'm
Speaker 2: a fairly thin person and so all my organs are
Speaker 2: kind of like interposed on each other, so it's hard
Speaker 2: to see what's really going on. When they finally opened
Speaker 2: me up, they were like, Wow, there was so much infection.
Speaker 2: I actually wrote a will before this surgery because I
Speaker 2: wasn't sure what was going on. They weren't sure. They're like,
Speaker 2: there was so much infection. There was like all the
Speaker 2: assists stuff, and no wonder, you've been in so much pain.
Speaker 2: And they released me again with the lawden of course,
Speaker 2: and here I am back from the dead. I'd say
Speaker 2: that back from the dead twice because my appendix ruptured
Speaker 2: and I survived even though they didn't take it out.
Speaker 2: And then the other time was you know, I was
Speaker 2: sept and there's eleven million deaths that happen every year
Speaker 2: from sepsis, so it's like, you know, it's not something
Speaker 2: that is like guaranteed to like live through. So yeah,
Speaker 2: so when you say Jahanne that I'm like back from
Speaker 2: the death, Like I will come and tear you a
Speaker 2: new asshole right from like the grave. I will totally
Speaker 2: do that, Like like I'm here sitting with you because
Speaker 2: I truly want to continue on the road of life.
Speaker 2: But yeah, like there was a moment that I want
Speaker 2: to share with the listeners where my soul was literally
Speaker 2: like there was two or three moments where it was like,
Speaker 2: if this is the end, then this is the end.
Speaker 2: And it's been a real nice run and I've enjoyed it.
Speaker 2: I've enjoyed my time here, but maybe this is the end.
Speaker 2: And for somebody, you know, that's fairly young, right to
Speaker 2: have this experience of being okay with not being here anymore,
Speaker 2: as a very I find it to be strange and
Speaker 2: I just had it, so you know. So that's that's
Speaker 2: that's the harrowing tale that I wanted to share with you.
Speaker 2: And we can draw many conclusions from this tale, but
Speaker 2: there's a few that I would that I would bring
Speaker 2: home for you if you want.
Speaker 1: Well, I would like to draw several conclusions. And like
Speaker 1: when you told me about this the first time, it
Speaker 1: shines a huge light on exactly what is being done
Speaker 1: to people. People are being victimized by the pharmaceutical companies.
Speaker 1: They run everything, and there's almost no escaping and you
Speaker 1: could have lost your life. And yes, nobody knows how
Speaker 1: many hundreds of thousands or more of people are losing
Speaker 1: their lives every day because of this. And it's bullshit
Speaker 1: and it's not going to get better until the average
Speaker 1: people who as you know, Eric from said that people
Speaker 1: are hardwired to be submissive to authority. But I also
Speaker 1: think that his illusions there are basically, in a very
Speaker 1: roundabout way, saying that people choose to be that way too,
Speaker 1: like they choose to not think beyond a certain point,
Speaker 1: and we have to stop doing that.
Speaker 3: It's not working for us anymore.
Speaker 2: No, No, it's not. It's it's it's it's you know,
Speaker 2: I can understand why people become I mean, I I'm
Speaker 2: counting days off of the list a lot, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm tent. I haven't. I haven't had delud in my
Speaker 2: days my system for ten days. Because you better believe
Speaker 2: I I you can become you can become addicted to
Speaker 2: this stuff like that. Like that, and there's such a
Speaker 2: mixed message happening because we're like teaching our kids and
Speaker 2: our teenagers don't do drugs. Drugs are so bad, but
Speaker 2: yet we're we're giving them like embetterment, right and riddl
Speaker 2: it and like all these different drugs just like to
Speaker 2: you know, like like loosely, you know, we're also like
Speaker 2: just in the basic sense of the way the hospital
Speaker 2: treated me in terms of like pain management, like here's
Speaker 2: a bunch we're sending you home. Here's a bunch of
Speaker 2: pills that like, here's a bunch of heavy narcotic addictive
Speaker 2: pills here. And and when I would go to the
Speaker 2: hospital without even oh, you're in pain, you're in pain,
Speaker 2: without even asking me any questions, it was here, we're
Speaker 2: going to get you comfortable. And I felt like I
Speaker 2: was going into like an opium den of like the
Speaker 2: nineteen twenties or something like that. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: this is what and everybody like I get it. Were
Speaker 2: it's a lot easier to manage an emergency room if
Speaker 2: you've got a bunch of people strung out on morphine.
Speaker 2: And there's one way of looking at this, because I've
Speaker 2: been in the emergency room probably a total of ten
Speaker 2: days in the past four months, and there's one way
Speaker 2: of looking at that emergency room and being like, we're
Speaker 2: just a bunch of strung out fellows here waiting for
Speaker 2: our next fix, and like, how horrifying. But that's the truth.
Speaker 2: That's me true.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And what you've said there represents the average person
Speaker 1: because everybody is too smoked up, too hyper sexualized, overcaffeinated, alcoholic.
Speaker 1: They're medicated on pharmaceuticals or whatever else they can get
Speaker 1: their hands on, so nobody's thinking rationally. And like you said,
Speaker 1: it's a lot easier to manage a hospital full of
Speaker 1: people if they're drugged up, but it's a lot easier
Speaker 1: to manage the entire population if they're all drugged up
Speaker 1: and dissociated.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's and that's what I think. One of
Speaker 2: the one of the essays I wrote about in the
Speaker 2: book is is exactly about that. It's like America the hypocrite.
Speaker 2: You know, the war on drugs is like is a farce.
Speaker 2: It's a farce because we're all addicted to these drugs.
Speaker 2: And like, I think it's something like twenty two percent
Speaker 2: of people identify with some kind of depression, bipolar anxiety disorder,
Speaker 2: post traumatic stress disorder, some kind of disorder and we
Speaker 2: think we can have a functional society when like one
Speaker 2: fourth twenty Like when when when like one I had
Speaker 2: of four people identify as having some kind of disease
Speaker 2: And that's that's insane. How can we actually think we
Speaker 2: live in a healthy that America? I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know about the rest. I mean even I would say
Speaker 2: the Western moral but like, like, how can we think
Speaker 2: we have we have a shot at a healthy way
Speaker 2: of managing our society if the individuals around us are sick.
Speaker 2: There there's I think every single person knows somebody or
Speaker 2: is somebody that identifies with suffering from like depression, bipolar
Speaker 2: anxiety disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, alcoholism, drug addiction, add
Speaker 2: like the buds.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's it's totally fair and factual to say
Speaker 1: what you have just said because America is the staging
Speaker 1: ground for the entire psychological operation. That's why it's you know,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter what corner of the world you're in. We're
Speaker 1: conditioned from birth to have this perception that America is
Speaker 1: this great place that you want to be there, you
Speaker 1: want it, you have to accept it. It's like a
Speaker 1: from the time you're born, there's this long hypnotic induction
Speaker 1: that occurs where you're led to believe that you need
Speaker 1: to focus on what they're doing. That's the right thing,
Speaker 1: that's how we should all aspire to be. And it's
Speaker 1: nothing but sickness. It's been nothing but that, tricks and
Speaker 1: lies and you name it since the very get go.
Speaker 1: And it's kind of like you know when you've seen
Speaker 1: I forget that movie because I don't really watch too
Speaker 1: many things, but it's like having a speculum or something
Speaker 1: that you're like, ah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Up, regarrane, pluck garden. It forces eyeballs open. He has
Speaker 2: to like watch movies of like insane destruction and stuff,
Speaker 2: and they give they give him you're writing the money
Speaker 2: to hand with that because like they give him a
Speaker 2: drug like that makes him like is going to make
Speaker 2: him not a violent person anymore, like so that every
Speaker 2: time he sees violence, they like force his eyeballs open.
Speaker 2: And then every time they say he sees violence, he's
Speaker 2: gonna associate it with sickness because they poison in him
Speaker 2: while he watches violence. And that's how they this experiment
Speaker 2: is supposed to create individuals that are no longer violent
Speaker 2: as opposed to like teaching individuals or having a non
Speaker 2: violent a society that practices nonviolence right as opposed to
Speaker 2: like teaching Gandhi in school or like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know how you create a non violent society,
Speaker 2: but I think one of the first ways of doing
Speaker 2: so is realizing how freaking violent we actually are towards
Speaker 2: ourselves and towards each other, and not like running away
Speaker 2: from that. Like even I think drugging, even drugging something
Speaker 2: like drugs as a solution, can be a form of violence.
Speaker 1: I agree, he totally. Like every kid should be forced
Speaker 1: to read Animal Farm and Nonviolent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg
Speaker 1: or something like that, you know, like just just so
Speaker 1: that they know, like this is this is how society
Speaker 1: actually is, and these pigs, these fictional animals are trying
Speaker 1: to tell you something. And then this is how you
Speaker 1: speak to people you know, and then you know, this
Speaker 1: is how you treat yourself. And because it's crazy, like,
Speaker 1: let's go back to the Delauded thing. Seven years ago,
Speaker 1: I had a client that got hooked on Delauded when
Speaker 1: she was fourteen years old. She came to me at
Speaker 1: twenty three unable to get off of it. Since then
Speaker 1: she said something happened to her that day when her
Speaker 1: entire spirit changed, and she hasn't been able to reclaim
Speaker 1: any aspect of her soul since then. We've had to
Speaker 1: part ways because she was on a plethora of other drugs.
Speaker 1: She would often have relapses and be like, I can't
Speaker 1: come to the session today because I just woke up
Speaker 1: in the hospital from an overdose. I literally had these
Speaker 1: auditory hallucinations occur where I was just minding my own business.
Speaker 1: Next thing you know, I was in a drug den
Speaker 1: with a needle stuck in my arm, and now I'm
Speaker 1: in the hospital. And it completely corrupted her. And I
Speaker 1: don't even know if she's still alive or not, to
Speaker 1: be honest with you, but that's what's going on out there.
Speaker 1: And so when people say dumb shit like all ketamine
Speaker 1: works for people with anxiety and all that, it doesn't
Speaker 1: show me the actual circumstances, the day by day, hour
Speaker 1: by hour playback of this person's internal world and how
Speaker 1: they actually dealt with the situation before and after a
Speaker 1: snapshot of their internal representation systems, how they think and
Speaker 1: believe and act, and their emotional state. And I'll let
Speaker 1: you know if ketamine works are not I can guarantee
Speaker 1: that if you look at all of that in context,
Speaker 1: you're going to find ketymine doesn't work, psychedelics don't work,
Speaker 1: And a lot of people are going to turn off
Speaker 1: this podcast and never listen again because I said that
Speaker 1: goodbye to you.
Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I think there's something to be said
Speaker 2: about you know, there's a new craze like right now
Speaker 2: of mainstreaming psychedelics and mainstreaming marijuana, and I think that
Speaker 2: this is not necessarily the solution, that this is just
Speaker 2: a way of masking still continuing to mask a deep
Speaker 2: psychic sickness that is collective and only through like individuals
Speaker 2: being like, wait, wait, where where's the anxiety coming from?
Speaker 2: And I'll tell you. I believe that it comes from
Speaker 2: the world and how we're supposed to fit into the world.
Speaker 2: And I think if and that's why, I mean, that's
Speaker 2: the reason I wrote Societal drop Out, because it's this
Speaker 2: idea of like, find the peace in yourself with the
Speaker 2: solutions that society offers our drugs and a mixed mess
Speaker 2: and a stigma that drugs are bad, so you're a
Speaker 2: bad person. But here you go that mixed message, here
Speaker 2: you're a bad person if you take this. But here's
Speaker 2: the ketamine. Here it is, and it's good for you,
Speaker 2: and it's good for you. These studies, these studies show
Speaker 2: and we're not doing stuff. How about more studies of
Speaker 2: like what about if you you know, I don't, I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't buck studies. At some point we're just like,
Speaker 2: you know, what what works for you? Like how like
Speaker 2: we do? This is what we do. We like we
Speaker 2: look at normal people, and normal the normal person isn't happy.
Speaker 2: The normal person is like on a roller coaster of
Speaker 2: anxiety and depression and at x euphoria sometimes when they're
Speaker 2: like you know, having sex or self medicating or you know,
Speaker 2: putting themselves in extreme behaviors or on vacation. But the
Speaker 2: normal person isn't necessarily a happy person. So we want
Speaker 2: I think it would be very interesting is we start
Speaker 2: to like take a happy person, what's a happy person doing?
Speaker 2: Like David Lynch just died and he was this really
Speaker 2: creative dynamo, right David Lynch. Someone does might not know
Speaker 2: who David Lynch is, but David Lynch was a creative
Speaker 2: uh director who directed and wrote Twin Peaks and like
Speaker 2: Maul and dry and blue velvet and the first Dune,
Speaker 2: which you know, whatever, but I loved it. Anyway. He
Speaker 2: was a really happy person. And I've been listening to
Speaker 2: a bunch of interviews with David Lynch, and one of
Speaker 2: the things he did was he like meditated every day,
Speaker 2: and he was and he was kind to people like
Speaker 2: he was kind. He was a kind person who like
Speaker 2: tried to create a family environment in every and no
Speaker 2: actor has anything negative to say about their experience working
Speaker 2: with Dave. But I think it's something to be said,
Speaker 2: like kindness, Like we don't teach kindness necessarily, so we
Speaker 2: teach ambition and getting a head and being at the
Speaker 2: top of the class. I mean, anyone I get. I
Speaker 2: get why you want to like take some pills and
Speaker 2: get away from that like really kind of intense, I
Speaker 2: don't know, backwards way of thinking about yourself, and that
Speaker 2: every end, that your esteem and your value is completely
Speaker 2: dependent on how much stuff you get, how many awards
Speaker 2: you win, how much money you make, how many wives
Speaker 2: you have, how many women you've fucked, how many are
Speaker 2: men you are interested in you or people you know,
Speaker 2: like all this stuff that's all on the surface, that
Speaker 2: that that that's how we're conditioned to think that like
Speaker 2: that's a happy person or a successful person, and and
Speaker 2: that's not working. That's not working. We have we have
Speaker 2: an increasing rate of suicide jan and we have an
Speaker 2: increasing rate of drug addiction. And I'm concerned about this.
Speaker 2: And I'm concerned about this especially in like the millennial generation,
Speaker 2: because it's in our generation, and it's like, it's happening
Speaker 2: to us, and it's like, what, well, what can we
Speaker 2: do about that? Like, like that makes me so sad
Speaker 2: that people are like, oh, like like your like your client,
Speaker 2: that that people are are are overdosing and their lives
Speaker 2: are getting thrown away and and and nobody seems to
Speaker 2: be able to address the problem. And and the baby
Speaker 2: boomers are living very long and they're very influential to
Speaker 2: the rest of us.
Speaker 3: And we're back.
Speaker 2: I don't know what happened.
Speaker 3: I think that.
Speaker 1: I don't want to sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist,
Speaker 1: but I think that this kind of stuff happens a
Speaker 1: little bit too often to not just say outright whenever
Speaker 1: I'm having a conversation about this kind of truth, I
Speaker 1: get knocked off conveniently.
Speaker 3: So maybe you could just pick it up from where
Speaker 3: you left off.
Speaker 2: Oh, I just was saying, how I think we are?
Speaker 2: I think it's we're like a it's a suicidal Unfortunately,
Speaker 2: what's happening is an increase in suicide in the millennial
Speaker 2: generation and an maloriy my hid and an increase in
Speaker 2: drug addiction in the millennial generation.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's by design, unfortunately. I mean, how are
Speaker 1: you supposed to know yourself to the extent that you can, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: you actually said something you need.
Speaker 3: It was so cool.
Speaker 1: It was so fucking cool because it shows your level
Speaker 1: of self awareness where you were acutely aware of that
Speaker 1: part of you that wanted to become addicted to the
Speaker 1: chemicals that you were put on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and.
Speaker 1: People lack that. So how are you supposed to develop
Speaker 1: that when you're inundated with addictive substances like sugar et cetera,
Speaker 1: which is engineered now to be not sugar anymore. It's
Speaker 1: just crack basically, right, you know, when you have doritos
Speaker 1: with twenty six ingredients or more in it, and all
Speaker 1: of those things, the body doesn't recognize as anything other
Speaker 1: than a synthetic substance, and so it's going to get
Speaker 1: addicted to that. How are you supposed to know the
Speaker 1: difference between yourself, the world at large, and what's being
Speaker 1: offered to you in between. When you're just in a
Speaker 1: with chemicals from birth, you lose that ability to self reflect.
Speaker 1: And like you were saying earlier about the ketamine thing
Speaker 1: and how all that stuff doesn't work, the only thing
Speaker 1: that works is breathing and self reflection, does it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no secrets.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, I mean there's no, it's not there is
Speaker 2: no secrets. I will say, I'm not sure I mentioned it,
Speaker 2: but yeah. The last time I went to the emergency
Speaker 2: room was the day before my surgery, and I was
Speaker 2: in a lot of pain and the surgeon said, just come,
Speaker 2: we'll get you comfortable. These are the words. We'll get
Speaker 2: you comfortable, and we'll take and we'll do a cat skin.
Speaker 2: And when he said I'll get you comfortable, I said good, good, right, yes, yes,
Speaker 2: I was like good. And my boyfriend was there with
Speaker 2: me at the time and he was kind of horrified
Speaker 2: and he's like, you really And it was grood to
Speaker 2: have somebody actually check in with, to check in with,
Speaker 2: But I was like, I'll be honest, and you're in
Speaker 2: a lot of pain. Yeah, that shit sounds really good.
Speaker 2: That shit sounds really good. But I'm doing this and
Speaker 2: I think this might be a helpful tool to anybody
Speaker 2: who wants to get off this shit. Is that I'm
Speaker 2: counting days with a friend of mine. I'm saying, like
Speaker 2: day one off de Lawden, So today's day ten off
Speaker 2: da Lawden. I haven't had Dolawden or morphine for ten days.
Speaker 2: And it helps because it's difficult. It's difficult because the
Speaker 2: body likes that feeling of not having that tension and
Speaker 2: that pain, or rather it's a break from that. I
Speaker 2: don't think it's the body is meant to have that level.
Speaker 2: I think that's why people die. People die of drugs
Speaker 2: because you're not meant to have that level of just
Speaker 2: oh you know, they're supposed to be a level of
Speaker 2: tension or pain. That's how you know. Oh I need
Speaker 2: to stretch, Oh I need to eat. Oh I need
Speaker 2: to take a walk, I need to breathe, I need
Speaker 2: to meditate, I need The body can't be an equilibrium
Speaker 2: if it's constantly all the pain and all the sensation
Speaker 2: and all the feeling is being muted, right, if it's
Speaker 2: all being pushed far away, it can't do anything. Uh,
Speaker 2: And so that we're not meant to live on morphine
Speaker 2: or to Lawden or even just like this craze of
Speaker 2: like psychedelics or marijuana or like we're I don't think
Speaker 2: we're meant to live like high all the time. I think,
Speaker 2: I think, and I write about this, that there's a
Speaker 2: right you can use. I think there's a right time
Speaker 2: to to take to go on. And I've never done aahuasca,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I can. I can see like going like
Speaker 2: once or twice in your life to a medicine man
Speaker 2: and having a ritual and working some shit out with
Speaker 2: somebody that that's part of their culture and they know
Speaker 2: what they're doing. You know. Do I think tripping on
Speaker 2: aahuasca every weekend is a good all to life's difficulties
Speaker 2: and challenges. Absolutely not. And that unfortunately, stuff like stuff
Speaker 2: like that is kind of like, yeah, take some CBD
Speaker 2: gummings every night, and it's like, well, maybe you're not
Speaker 2: sleeping because there's some other things going on that we
Speaker 2: can address. You know, maybe you're not sleeping because you're
Speaker 2: watching you're constantly on Twitter and you're constantly refreshing your feed,
Speaker 2: and you're like getting concerned about things that really aren't real,
Speaker 2: Like Twitter's not a real place. Remember, I mean like
Speaker 2: these are all like and that's something too that I
Speaker 2: think are the millennial generation it has to is so
Speaker 2: important for us to kind of like to own is
Speaker 2: that like we are a social media slash, Like uh yeah,
Speaker 2: like we're we are the generation that like grew up
Speaker 2: basically with all these devices and all these like social
Speaker 2: media outlets, and it's like they're great distractions, but we're
Speaker 2: also like getting heavily into drugs. Drugs are becoming part
Speaker 2: of like the millennial everyday experience, whether that's just the
Speaker 2: fact that like cannabis is legal everywhere, or we're taking amphetamins,
Speaker 2: we're taking Riddlin, we're taking Sarah quoll, we're taking gun typing,
Speaker 2: we're taking clinazipam, we're taking opioids. We are being prescribed
Speaker 2: all of this stuff and we're taking it right. And
Speaker 2: it's not that and I don't want to like negatively
Speaker 2: stigmatize it. It is what it is. It's we're a
Speaker 2: society that generates drug addicts, and we are the drug addicts,
Speaker 2: and like how do we get well? How do we
Speaker 2: get well? That's like the big that's and I don't
Speaker 2: think anyone cares enough to really to really ask ask
Speaker 2: of ourselves like are you but are you well? Yes,
Speaker 2: you're masking the pain and you're doing and you're allowed,
Speaker 2: you're getting you're masking the pain with xanax and cannabis. Okay, okay,
Speaker 2: but are you well? Are you happy? I don't think
Speaker 2: people are actually being asked that question. I think people
Speaker 2: are being taught to cope.
Speaker 1: I don't even think they're really being taught to cope.
Speaker 1: I think you know, it's called social media, but it
Speaker 1: should be called dissociative media. Yes, because and this is
Speaker 1: the third time I'm saying this in a row on
Speaker 1: an episode, that everything in society is structured for you
Speaker 1: to dissociate from.
Speaker 3: The reality of it.
Speaker 1: And if you look at all of the New Age propaganda,
Speaker 1: all of the personal development garbage that's on the Internet,
Speaker 1: where people think they're improving theirselves, they're learning narcissism. They're
Speaker 1: not learning really about true kindness or true forgiveness or
Speaker 1: anything like that. You listed a whole set of drugs
Speaker 1: there that at one point or another, I've had clients
Speaker 1: who've come to me to help them work with their
Speaker 1: doctor to get off of those drugs, because they were
Speaker 1: taking sarah quill, for example, and as soon as they
Speaker 1: started taking sarah Quill, they started having auditory hallucinations that said,
Speaker 1: open the drawer, take out the scissors, and stab your mother.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh my god.
Speaker 1: So that's a good example of how these drugs don't
Speaker 1: do any good. They're not doing any good for anybody,
Speaker 1: doesn't matter how much somebody thinks they've improved or some
Speaker 1: doctor says is working. In the long run, it's not
Speaker 1: doing much of anything for you at all. It's actually
Speaker 1: creating more issues. And I think that's the plan, honestly.
Speaker 1: And if you look at the commercials that come on
Speaker 1: TV and stuff, the names of these things are getting
Speaker 1: even more ridiculous, almost like they're mocking you. And it's
Speaker 1: the way that they take these old songs and stuff
Speaker 1: that were really popular, and to take those songs on
Speaker 1: purpose because they were they've been downloaded into your consciousness,
Speaker 1: because they've been a part of public consciousness for so
Speaker 1: long that there's something about that that almost becomes one
Speaker 1: with your subconscious the instant you enter the world that
Speaker 1: you identify with it. When you hear it and the
Speaker 1: lyrics have been changed to sell a pharmaceutical. You know, yes,
Speaker 1: that it's automatically appealing, Like these marketers know exactly what
Speaker 1: they're doing. They're not stupid, and the average person takes
Speaker 1: that for granted. They think, okay, so they say things like, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I can just leave it on in the background.
Speaker 1: I just ignore it anyway, really can you? Because everything
Speaker 1: that you hear is going right into your subconscious whether
Speaker 1: you like it or not. You can't stop that from
Speaker 1: happening just because you know. It's kind of like if
Speaker 1: a tree falls in the woods, you know, did it
Speaker 1: really happen if you didn't hear it it?
Speaker 3: Did it really did? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So that's where we're at with this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: It's about getting the average person to be honest. But
Speaker 1: how are you going to get the average person to
Speaker 1: be honest when they are living in a society that
Speaker 1: conditions you to be complicit with lies? Lies are normal?
Speaker 1: M hm.
Speaker 2: Lies are normal, And like how to be a better
Speaker 2: liar is what we have going on.
Speaker 1: It's kind of like you know that movie Liar Orlar
Speaker 1: with m Jim Carrey right right?
Speaker 2: Completely?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, no, it's it's how do you I mean,
Speaker 2: this is my advice. I mean, how do you drop
Speaker 2: out from that? Like? How do you get yourself good?
Speaker 2: How do you like check in with your soul or
Speaker 2: whatever is the still quiet voice inside yourself and honor it,
Speaker 2: and honor it, no matter if it's telling you that
Speaker 2: everyone around you is bullshitting, or that like you don't
Speaker 2: fit in with your friend group anymore, or that like
Speaker 2: the mo of like maybe one day at a time
Speaker 2: doesn't work. Maybe you know, maybe the platitudes don't work,
Speaker 2: or maybe they do. Maybe that's what you need to
Speaker 2: hear today. Maybe one day at a time is I'm
Speaker 2: just saying that sometimes we collectively think that like if
Speaker 2: I do X, Y and Z, I'm going to feel
Speaker 2: a B and C because that's what they tell me
Speaker 2: to If I if I go one day, if I
Speaker 2: live one day at a time, and I and I
Speaker 2: just do the next right thing, and I just do
Speaker 2: good orderly direction, and you know, and I and I
Speaker 2: go to yoga, and I go to soul cycle, and
Speaker 2: I go to the gym, and I go out with
Speaker 2: a friend, and I work from nine to five and
Speaker 2: then I take my pills and I go to bed,
Speaker 2: and I do the next thing every day, then I'm good.
Speaker 2: I'm having a good life. But the question is not
Speaker 2: that that's a good life can look exactly like that.
Speaker 2: I would like subtract the pills, but a good life
Speaker 2: can look something like that. But is it your life
Speaker 2: or are you just living the prescription, the program, the formula.
Speaker 2: Because if you're just living the prescription, the program, the formula,
Speaker 2: then like you're missing it. You're missing your life, You're
Speaker 2: missing it. And you know, in my day probably looks
Speaker 2: a lot like other people's days. I get up, I
Speaker 2: have coffee. I mean, I write for a living, so
Speaker 2: oh I start writing, you know, but I start doing
Speaker 2: my work, right, whatever your work is. But I would
Speaker 2: say this is like, I think one of the reasons
Speaker 2: I've been able to stay off of drugs is because
Speaker 2: there's things in my life that are worthwhile to me
Speaker 2: that I in my soul want to be doing. And
Speaker 2: it's not that I've done like drugs and I've done
Speaker 2: my work, and I'll tell you it's better, I'm better.
Speaker 2: I'm better to just do I don't it's not even
Speaker 2: it's that I don't need it and I'd rather do
Speaker 2: a simpler life with less things that I need. There's
Speaker 2: a few things that I need. I need to love,
Speaker 2: I need to be loved. I need to nourish my body.
Speaker 2: I need to nourish my soul. I need to stimulate
Speaker 2: my mind. I need to honor my emotions. And I
Speaker 2: need to contribute. I need to feel that I'm contributing
Speaker 2: my voice. That's what I need. And it might be
Speaker 2: different from like a b Jahn needs, you know, but
Speaker 2: like I guarantee you that like the simplest, like I
Speaker 2: don't need to be taking like sleeping pills, you know,
Speaker 2: like some people might some people that are listening, if
Speaker 2: you're listening, I'm not knocking sleeping pills or whatever. I'm
Speaker 2: just trying to like ask you, well, what how can
Speaker 2: you live? How can you like live a life that
Speaker 2: feels authentic and like truthful to that still quiet voice
Speaker 2: inside yourself? And if you have never experienced that still
Speaker 2: quiet voice inside of yourself, like do you want to?
Speaker 2: Because I believe I believe I believe that it's there.
Speaker 2: I believe everybody has like a still quiet voice, call
Speaker 2: it soul, God, higher power, universe, field of consciousness, unity,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean. But I believe it's there,
Speaker 2: and I believe we're all part of it. I believe
Speaker 2: we're all like manifestations of it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, there's just
Speaker 1: so much stuff, even like listening to music and stuff
Speaker 1: with streaming services and everything. No, there's not a single
Speaker 1: moment throughout the day you see people walking around with
Speaker 1: these ridiculous earbuds in their ears, wireless earbuds, and they've
Speaker 1: always got something on. There's always a podcast happening, there's
Speaker 1: always music happening. And what that does to people is
Speaker 1: it disables their ability to not only let thoughts come
Speaker 1: through for analysis, but then they're always relaying on something
Speaker 1: else for joy or some other emotion. They put on
Speaker 1: a sad song. They want to feel sad, they want
Speaker 1: to relive something bad that happened or that they see
Speaker 1: as bad, and you know, they want to go to
Speaker 1: the gym. They have to put on their favorite playlists
Speaker 1: to go to the gym. Nobody's lifting weights anymore, just
Speaker 1: in silence, so they're not using that quiet time. Because
Speaker 1: when you're tearing your muscle fibers, then your subconscious is
Speaker 1: gained all these wonderful memories and emotions and things that
Speaker 1: you're supposed to work through. But if you're listening to
Speaker 1: a podcast, you're not doing that. You're engaging in somebody
Speaker 1: else's opinion about fuck all of nothing that has nothing
Speaker 1: to do with the way that you live your life
Speaker 1: as an individual every day. So it's actually the opposite
Speaker 1: of empowered thinking. And this is what passes for liberation
Speaker 1: is it's a forest. It's garbage. And I'm not saying
Speaker 1: there's anything wrong with that stuff, but I'm very alwayspoken.
Speaker 1: And I've also realized that if you leave any leeway
Speaker 1: for maybe this thing is good, people don't take you seriously, right,
Speaker 1: So you kind of have to go to the extreme
Speaker 1: if you want to plant that seed. They just sound
Speaker 1: he just said it was great. So I'm not going
Speaker 1: to stop doing that thing. I'm not going to think
Speaker 1: about why I do it, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and years go by and a life goes by
Speaker 2: and you don't stop and think about it. And I
Speaker 2: think one of the benefits of doing a podcast like
Speaker 2: this is just like and maybe in an extreme way,
Speaker 2: someone needs to hear, like, there's a fucking another way
Speaker 2: to do it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I want people to listen to us and be
Speaker 1: like you know what I do that I might have
Speaker 1: a problem.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and there is another way, and like quiet
Speaker 2: is okay, like like being silent with yourself. Like I
Speaker 2: cannot stress enough. How like, as someone who's been in
Speaker 2: the emergency room at least like ten days in the
Speaker 2: past three months with the big being and the like
Speaker 2: the doctor and the light's going on and off and
Speaker 2: all this shit, I can't stress enough how Like valuable
Speaker 2: silence is. It's so valuable. It's so important to be
Speaker 2: to be silent with ourselves and or to be quiet
Speaker 2: with ourselves, and like we don't that's not that is
Speaker 2: not a societal trope. Like if anything, people are like
Speaker 2: like like I need the podcast going on all the time,
Speaker 2: or I need this that's a that's a that's a
Speaker 2: going on all our time, or what's the trauma with
Speaker 2: my new boyfriend? Like it's just so silly, it's so silly,
Speaker 2: and it's so unnecessary, you know, it's so fucking unnecessary.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I just I want I want people to
Speaker 2: be like, yeah, maybe I could, maybe I could try
Speaker 2: to like not like to go to the gym and
Speaker 2: maybe like and lift weight. I like that idea of
Speaker 2: lifting weights and not having the everybody's got those EarPods
Speaker 2: in their ears all the time, and so we're not
Speaker 2: even like present with each other. Like you, I'm like
Speaker 2: a New Yorker righta walk in on the street in
Speaker 2: New York, and like everybody's zoned in to their own
Speaker 2: different channels, having their own different experiences, and it's getting
Speaker 2: worse and not better. And how can we And I
Speaker 2: think one of the most healthy things in the world
Speaker 2: is connection and feeling like connected to another person, you know,
Speaker 2: like feeling that way, and oh my god, it's definitely
Speaker 2: like it's definitely I think the best. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 2: best to feel connected to another person. And we're missing it.
Speaker 2: We're missing it. We're missing the best things about life.
Speaker 1: And having said that, you have the best personality. I
Speaker 1: wish you were in my neighbor. I just come on,
Speaker 1: but yeah, you get it. If you lack the ability
Speaker 1: to be present with yourself, then what are you doing
Speaker 1: to the other people in your environment, your children, especially.
Speaker 3: What are you doing to them?
Speaker 2: You know, here's the I think one of the things
Speaker 2: you're saying to them is that you're not valueball, Like
Speaker 2: there's better things out there than you and then the
Speaker 2: kid gets grows up thinking that there's I'm not good enough,
Speaker 2: there's something better, and then and gets depressed and then
Speaker 2: gets into the Once you get in, this is very
Speaker 2: very much my experience of like the whole psychological field.
Speaker 2: And I'm not there's a time and a place for therapy.
Speaker 2: I'm not knocking therapy, but I am sad at how
Speaker 2: many people need therapy, and that once you get into
Speaker 2: the circuit of the psychiatry and you start taking drugs,
Speaker 2: and it gets younger and younger and younger. When you
Speaker 2: prescribe drugs, it's very hard to get off of the drugs.
Speaker 2: It's very hard. It's almost it's so hard, and so
Speaker 2: anybody that's been on drugs for so long, I feel
Speaker 2: for you because it's so hard. I talk about this
Speaker 2: in the book.
Speaker 4: It's like, it is incredibly hard to get off these
Speaker 4: drugs because you start so young, and it's arts and
Speaker 4: it's and we can see the root with just what
Speaker 4: you said.
Speaker 2: We're not paying attention to how each how we feel.
Speaker 2: We're in our own little world and parents are doing
Speaker 2: this to their kids, and the kids grow up and
Speaker 2: they wonder why there's a rise of ADHD and I
Speaker 2: think it's pretty obvious why there's a rise of ADHD,
Speaker 2: Like the parents are off doing X, Y Z, compartmentalizing here,
Speaker 2: there and there, and the solution for the kids is
Speaker 2: to do X, Y and Z and compartmentalize and do
Speaker 2: this and this and this, and so the teachers are saying, no,
Speaker 2: this kid can't focus, this kid can't attend class, can't
Speaker 2: be present. But that's what we're teaching them. We're teaching
Speaker 2: them how not to be present, and we're teaching them
Speaker 2: to compartmentalize, and we're teaching them how not to pay attention.
Speaker 2: So it's so, oh god, it's.
Speaker 1: Just so hardly anybody knows what it's like to have
Speaker 1: a child that doesn't eat sugar all day long as
Speaker 1: well these days. And so if I happen to to
Speaker 1: have access to kids, I should say have access to
Speaker 1: kids because they're not my kids, but I treat them
Speaker 1: like they're my children. My girlfriend has three kids, so
Speaker 1: I get good experiences with teenagers, newly arrived adults, little
Speaker 1: kids nine years old, and the stuff that they say
Speaker 1: is phenomenal because on one level, they get it, and
Speaker 1: they all have friends. They're like, you know, their friends
Speaker 1: all tell them don't ever go to get a diagnosis
Speaker 1: for anything, because you're going to get those pills and
Speaker 1: you're going to wish he never took those pills. And
Speaker 1: the little kids, when they're not on anything sugary, which
Speaker 1: is days, weeks, months at a time, then when they
Speaker 1: do have a cookie, they freak out and then you're like, okay,
Speaker 1: so that's what ADHD is right. There is just being
Speaker 1: inundated by chemicals. So I don't think people really have
Speaker 1: much perspective. I think that they're they've been blinded in
Speaker 1: a sense to what normalcy is when it comes to
Speaker 1: things like that. Kids aren't allowed to be kids anymore.
Speaker 3: Period.
Speaker 2: No, I don't, they're not. I feel like they're like
Speaker 2: the kids I know, they're so like which they know
Speaker 2: so much about the world, and I'm like, kids should
Speaker 2: be kids. Let them play, Let them just play and
Speaker 2: make up silly stories about nonsense and like we think.
Speaker 2: And I feel like there's even a problem with nonsense.
Speaker 2: It's like, nonsense is good. Remember Alice in Wonderland. Nonsense
Speaker 2: is good. Yeah, I don't know. I think I think
Speaker 2: it's great. So yeah, I think I mean I'm all
Speaker 2: for like like like getting kids to like act out
Speaker 2: and like express themselves and run around and like and
Speaker 2: be their quirky little selves. And I just feel like
Speaker 2: we teach them so young to like they have to
Speaker 2: like pay attention and they can't like space out and wonder.
Speaker 2: And I think what they can't daydream? Like, I think
Speaker 2: there should be a class like just daydream, just like
Speaker 2: put a bunch of kids in the class and like
Speaker 2: have them daydream.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I sent you an email saying everything froze. My
Speaker 1: audio just dropped out. Now it's telling me my internet
Speaker 1: connection is unstable. So when you message you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's me. I was like, what's going on?
Speaker 2: You're frozen? But I can hear you. But I love
Speaker 2: this conversation and I feel like we need to continue it.
Speaker 2: It's like so great. But anyway, I'm sorry, we're your
Speaker 2: internet is unstable. It's it's those person internet doubles.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it was telling me that something was
Speaker 1: wrong with yours too at the beginning when you were
Speaker 1: talking like red.
Speaker 2: But maybe it's my devils.
Speaker 1: I just think it's the internet period. I think it's Zoom.
Speaker 1: I think the Zoom platform is very poor. But recently
Speaker 1: I've been having a lot of technical difficulties. Anyways, So
Speaker 1: I think you finished your last point. Maybe the best
Speaker 1: thing to do would be to wrap this up and
Speaker 1: we could do another one a different day. Okay, So
Speaker 1: go ahead and tell everybody where they can find you.
Speaker 2: Okay. So I'm at dcccopeland dot com. My book Societal
Speaker 2: Dropout is going to come out in twenty twenty five.
Speaker 2: I'm negotiating with the publishers. Now I don't know who's
Speaker 2: going to do it, but it will be. There will
Speaker 2: be publicity for it in twenty twenty five, so look
Speaker 2: for it in the spring summer, I will say. But
Speaker 2: you can get the raw form, which is like people
Speaker 2: seem to love it. It's called an Artist Manifesto by
Speaker 2: DC Copeland. It's on Amazon. You can just go and
Speaker 2: buy it. You can get it for free on Kindle,
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Speaker 2: stuff about this quiet voice, even clockwork Orange that Eyeball's
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Speaker 5: discuss everything related to the evolution of human consciousness. That's
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Speaker 1: To understand that the United States builds bokers, which are
Speaker 1: basically cities on your ground every three months.
Speaker 6: Basically dream into your self conscious cities, your creativity and
Speaker 6: imagination unshanged, so conscious.
Speaker 2: Reason the imcate your arts.
Speaker 5: Very hard, soul by hard, I are clciousness cultures of
Speaker 5: varium of your gardy. We live in a multi dimensional reality,
Speaker 5: whether it comes through esentary.
Speaker 1: Information in the spiritual realms or the UFO people experiences,
Speaker 1: or mainstream on the physics and through maintream science.
Speaker 2: Now realizing that parallel dimensions probably exist, we're all spiritual means,
Speaker 2: we're all having these human experiences. We've heard of that
Speaker 2: place over and over over. But what does that?
Speaker 3: You know, all of the questions of life, we have
Speaker 3: these answers inside of ourselves.
Speaker 2: We're ultimately studying the nature of what it is to
Speaker 2: be human, good and evil, our psychology, how we're fitting
Speaker 2: in our health. That's why I love Bruce Lee's great
Speaker 2: quote all knowledge is ultimately self knowledge.