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<v Speaker 1>A Clowndlish Authenticity podcast. Welcome back to another episode of

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<v Speaker 1>Boundless Authenticity. Today, I'm joined by d C. Copeland, an

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<v Speaker 1>established writer, poet, dramatist, and, just like I am, a

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<v Speaker 1>pissed off millennial with a lot to say about a

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<v Speaker 1>plethora of issues. DC has written some books, including an

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<v Speaker 1>artist Manifesto, Writing under the Influence of a Millennial Emergence

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<v Speaker 1>and Societal drop Out, a cultural Manifesto for the New Millennium.

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<v Speaker 1>DC's special skill is capturing the essence of current events

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<v Speaker 1>and rights to an audience who understands that we're currently

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<v Speaker 1>living in dark times and who want to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>a story about overcoming the status quo the cultural, psychological,

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<v Speaker 1>and spiritual sickness created by it. And if you're an everyday,

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<v Speaker 1>ordinary person then you will love this interview. You can

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<v Speaker 1>find DC at dccopeland dot com. And while I'm here again,

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<v Speaker 1>I have to say thank you to all of the

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<v Speaker 1>month on the sixth, sixteenth, and the twenty sixth. Some

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<v Speaker 1>mark your calendars. DC Copeland, how's it going.

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<v Speaker 2>It's going well, Jahann. Now are you I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Very pleased that you said my name right?

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<v Speaker 1>If I just made all my troubles float away? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So everybody a little bit about you and how you

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<v Speaker 1>came to be here.

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<v Speaker 2>Great. So I'm DC Copeland. I just earlier I spoke

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<v Speaker 2>with you about why I chose to make my name

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<v Speaker 2>into initials, and it's an interesting little peek into my

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<v Speaker 2>experience the world, which is basically that when I was

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<v Speaker 2>starting out as a poet, starting to get published in

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<v Speaker 2>my twenties, like fifteen years ago, I found that when

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<v Speaker 2>I went by Deborah, I wasn't published as much as

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<v Speaker 2>when I went by D. C. Copeland, and people mistook

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<v Speaker 2>me for a man, and writing these sensitive kinds of

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<v Speaker 2>poems got published more when when they would respond to me, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, you seem like a very sensitive fellow, right,

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<v Speaker 2>like something along those lines, and I would have to,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, say that I was a female, but please

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<v Speaker 2>publish it under D. C. Copeland, And I just started

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<v Speaker 2>using D. C. Copeland as my name, So that's that's

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<v Speaker 2>my name, basic, like the basic name of D. C. Copeland.

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<v Speaker 2>And how I found myself finding you is that I

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<v Speaker 2>wrote society. I wrote I first, I wrote an ARS manifesto,

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<v Speaker 2>which is basically a manifesto dealing with polyamory and sex

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<v Speaker 2>and gender and drugs and suicide. And it kind of

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<v Speaker 2>happened in collaboration with an art gallery which is no more.

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<v Speaker 2>But you know I was. I was friends with someone

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<v Speaker 2>who owned a gallery, and it was just it was

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<v Speaker 2>I started writing about art and I started writing this

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<v Speaker 2>very fast, kind of raw, vulnerable voice. You know, I

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<v Speaker 2>lay prostrate before the authority of my soul. To discuss

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<v Speaker 2>the death drive is not one I easily tackle, but

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<v Speaker 2>my meaning to do so is clear that kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like raw, let's talk about the death drive, Let's talk

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<v Speaker 2>about soul, let's talk about honoring it. All of this

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<v Speaker 2>just kind of poured out, and that became an artist

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<v Speaker 2>manifesto and that is available on Amazon on today. Through that,

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<v Speaker 2>I found an agent, right and and I and he

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<v Speaker 2>was like that this is such an interesting voice. Let's

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<v Speaker 2>talk about like different other other other topics that are

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<v Speaker 2>are our relative to the millennial experience. Let's talk about AI,

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<v Speaker 2>let's talk about social media, let's talk about mental health,

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk about not just like polyamory, but maybe we

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<v Speaker 2>could talk about gender wars. And he had all these ideas.

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<v Speaker 2>So that became Societal drop Out, a culture manifestor for

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<v Speaker 2>the new millennium. And that right now is being shops

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<v Speaker 2>around to different publishing companies. So so you don't you

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<v Speaker 2>can't purchase that yet, but you will be able to

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<v Speaker 2>purchase that. So that and my agents suggested I started

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<v Speaker 2>looking at podcasts and that's how I found Jahann. I

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<v Speaker 2>looked at he gave me a long list of millennials

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<v Speaker 2>that were doing interesting stuff, and I started doing research

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<v Speaker 2>to collect in order to collaborate with some of these

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<v Speaker 2>fine folks and I and I started listening to Jahan's

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<v Speaker 2>and I was like, this sounds like a soul, a

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<v Speaker 2>fellow soul, doing their thing, being rebellious and with their

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<v Speaker 2>own voice. And I think one of the messages and

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<v Speaker 2>what makes me want to be here today is to

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<v Speaker 2>like to inspire other people to speak with their own

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<v Speaker 2>true voice. And you know, when I say I dropped

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<v Speaker 2>out societal dropout, I'm saying I dropped out of the conventions,

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<v Speaker 2>the conventional way we think about society in order to

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<v Speaker 2>bring to the table my own specific point of view

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<v Speaker 2>on what's really going on beneath how we're taught to

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<v Speaker 2>look at the world.

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<v Speaker 1>I totally identify with what you were saying, though about

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<v Speaker 1>having to change your name, because when I was in

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<v Speaker 1>the music industry, everybody would be like, what kind of

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<v Speaker 1>fucking name is Jahan? We got to change that stat

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, nobody's going to take you seriously. And I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, really, so what you're suggesting is going to

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<v Speaker 1>be taken more seriously than my actual name. That makes

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<v Speaker 1>no sense to me whatsoever, because nicknames are inherently bad.

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<v Speaker 1>In the music industry, band names are inherently bad. All

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<v Speaker 1>of them are bad. Anybody that says, well, that's a

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<v Speaker 1>killer band name is just nuts. They're all inherently bad.

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<v Speaker 1>They just work because it's like a smoke screen for

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<v Speaker 1>a time. But you know, you know how it is.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a thinker. We'll see it, but others won't.

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<v Speaker 3>So I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>And stuff like that's been going on from time immemoriam.

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<v Speaker 1>People don't take you seriously and unless you're not a

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<v Speaker 1>real person to them, you know, they can't reach out

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<v Speaker 3>That's better for them.

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<v Speaker 1>But you were just telling me about incredibly a harrowing experience,

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<v Speaker 1>and I specifically said to you, and I want this

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<v Speaker 1>to get on the show. Don't fuck with DC Copeland

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<v Speaker 1>because she will come back from the dead and get

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<v Speaker 1>your ass. She's not playing.

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<v Speaker 2>I did come back to be here.

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<v Speaker 1>Jhans, Oh yeah, yeah, So you know tell us about that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I did. I recently had a brush with death twice.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll say that twice. On October fourth, twenty twenty four,

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<v Speaker 2>I woke up in the worst pain of my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, we're talking like I understood, like she's gone

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<v Speaker 2>believe she's in no more pain like I was. I

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<v Speaker 2>was like, I am dying. I also was eight weeks pregnant,

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<v Speaker 2>and I will say this, it was the happiest I've

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<v Speaker 2>ever been in my life. It was an unexpected pregnancy,

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<v Speaker 2>but I was so happy to be a mother.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, oh, I'm doing this, I'm doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>The father was not in the picture, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>still like, I'm like, wow, I will be a single

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<v Speaker 2>millennial mother and I will rock this. I will rock this.

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<v Speaker 2>This is going to be awesome. So I was eight

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<v Speaker 2>weeks pregnant and I woke up with the worst pain

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<v Speaker 2>in my life. I did not go to the emergency room.

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<v Speaker 2>I was and to be frank, I was scared that

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<v Speaker 2>they were going to do something that would hurt the

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<v Speaker 2>unborn child. So I was going to deal with the pain.

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<v Speaker 2>I was going to deal with this bringing pain. A

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<v Speaker 2>few days later, I did go to the emergency room,

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<v Speaker 2>but I didn't let them do anything. I was still like,

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<v Speaker 2>don't touch me. I'm really worried about this child, and

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<v Speaker 2>I will deal with this fucking pain. And like, that

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<v Speaker 2>was the first time I was offered more thing in

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<v Speaker 2>my life, and I actually and I said no. I

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<v Speaker 2>said no, I'm going to go home. Three days later,

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<v Speaker 2>I wound up back in the emergency room, and at

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<v Speaker 2>this point I intuited that there was no way that

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<v Speaker 2>this baby was still alive. I was like, this baby

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<v Speaker 2>is dead and I am dying. My body had started

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<v Speaker 2>shutting down. I couldn't urinate, my stomach had become so distended,

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<v Speaker 2>and I really thought there was just something around me.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, this is this could be the end,

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<v Speaker 2>and this this sucks, but this might be the end.

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<v Speaker 2>And I went to urgent care, and urgent care called

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<v Speaker 2>the angler. We can't, we need you got to go

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<v Speaker 2>to the emergency roup. So I went to U n

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<v Speaker 2>Yu Land going and uh I had I was septic.

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<v Speaker 2>And for those of you who don't know what sepsis is,

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<v Speaker 2>sepsis is a blood condition where your blood is infected

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<v Speaker 2>and like a normal blood count is like four to

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<v Speaker 2>ten and I was at like a forty something, so

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<v Speaker 2>my blood was really infected, and my organs had started

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<v Speaker 2>shine down. My uterus had shut down, so the baby

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<v Speaker 2>was dead. The my bladder had shut down, so I

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't urinate. Other organs were starting, kidneys were starting to

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<v Speaker 2>shut down my entire body. I was, I was, I

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<v Speaker 2>was dying. And that was the second time they offered

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<v Speaker 2>me morphine. And you better believe it, yes to that.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm going to just say that. Throughout my entire

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<v Speaker 2>stay at the hospital. For the next ten days, I

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<v Speaker 2>was on heavy orphane and lodden. The miscarriage saved my life.

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<v Speaker 2>I was around the clock and about it's four IV

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<v Speaker 2>ports an n GT tube, which, if those of you

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<v Speaker 2>who don't know, an energyttube goes right through your nose

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<v Speaker 2>into your stomach. It comes to stomach, gets sort of

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<v Speaker 2>like horrible thing. You know, it's like a bag and

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<v Speaker 2>you know, urine collects urine. And and I was, I was,

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<v Speaker 2>I was every day I was. That wasn't sure if

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<v Speaker 2>if I was living or dying. But I lived, I lived,

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<v Speaker 2>baby died. I lived. I get back home after that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like, yes, I'm going to recover now. Now

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<v Speaker 2>I recover, and maybe I will get pregnant again because

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<v Speaker 2>that was so exciting. Maybe I'll find somebody and blah

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<v Speaker 2>blah blah. Two to three weeks later, I mean the

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<v Speaker 2>worst pain again. I'm in horrible pain again, and this

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<v Speaker 2>time I do go right to the emergency room and

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<v Speaker 2>they say, you're appendix as burst, but we can't take

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<v Speaker 2>it out because there's this ball that this abscess and

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<v Speaker 2>that's just an inducted ball of just like and it's

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<v Speaker 2>preventing us from taking out the appendix. We have to

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<v Speaker 2>keep you in the hospital again, give you a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of the morphine, shrink the abscess, and then you know.

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<v Speaker 2>So they they said, and which is like a head?

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<v Speaker 2>Which is morphine? Uh and and and they said, basically,

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<v Speaker 2>we want you to get the appendix out as soon

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<v Speaker 2>as possible, but you're gonna have pain, and you should.

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<v Speaker 2>You can use this heavy pain, this heavy narcotic to

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<v Speaker 2>manage your pain. So last week I got my appendix out.

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<v Speaker 2>But that but for November and December, I had two

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<v Speaker 2>other stays in the hospital because there was so much pain,

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<v Speaker 2>and I had I had conflict about taking the Dolawden

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<v Speaker 2>And they released me again with the lawden of course,

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<v Speaker 2>so when you say Jahanne that I'm like back from

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<v Speaker 2>I truly want to continue on the road of life.

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<v Speaker 2>But yeah, like there was a moment that I want

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<v Speaker 2>And it's been a real nice run and I've enjoyed it.

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<v Speaker 2>I've enjoyed my time here, but maybe this is the end.

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<v Speaker 2>And for somebody, you know, that's fairly young, right to

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<v Speaker 2>have this experience of being okay with not being here anymore,

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<v Speaker 2>And we can draw many conclusions from this tale, but

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I would like to draw several conclusions. And like

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<v Speaker 1>to people. People are being victimized by the pharmaceutical companies.

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<v Speaker 1>They run everything, and there's almost no escaping and you

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<v Speaker 1>many hundreds of thousands or more of people are losing

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<v Speaker 1>and it's not going to get better until the average

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<v Speaker 1>people who as you know, Eric from said that people

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<v Speaker 1>are hardwired to be submissive to authority. But I also

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<v Speaker 1>think that his illusions there are basically, in a very

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<v Speaker 1>like they choose to not think beyond a certain point,

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<v Speaker 1>and we have to stop doing that.

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<v Speaker 3>It's not working for us anymore.

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, it's not. It's it's it's it's you know,

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<v Speaker 2>days my system for ten days. Because you better believe

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<v Speaker 2>this stuff like that. Like that, and there's such a

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<v Speaker 2>yet we're we're giving them like embetterment, right and riddl

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<v Speaker 2>it and like all these different drugs just like to

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like like loosely, you know, we're also like

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<v Speaker 2>just in the basic sense of the way the hospital

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch we're sending you home. Here's a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>pills that like, here's a bunch of heavy narcotic addictive

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<v Speaker 2>without even asking me any questions, it was here, we're

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<v Speaker 2>going to get you comfortable. And I felt like I

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen twenties or something like that. I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what and everybody like I get it. Were

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<v Speaker 2>it's a lot easier to manage an emergency room if

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<v Speaker 2>you've got a bunch of people strung out on morphine.

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<v Speaker 2>And there's one way of looking at this, because I've

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<v Speaker 2>days in the past four months, and there's one way

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<v Speaker 2>of looking at that emergency room and being like, we're

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<v Speaker 2>just a bunch of strung out fellows here waiting for

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<v Speaker 2>our next fix, and like, how horrifying. But that's the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>That's me true.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And what you've said there represents the average person

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<v Speaker 1>because everybody is too smoked up, too hyper sexualized, overcaffeinated, alcoholic.

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<v Speaker 1>They're medicated on pharmaceuticals or whatever else they can get

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<v Speaker 1>their hands on, so nobody's thinking rationally. And like you said,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot easier to manage a hospital full of

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<v Speaker 1>people if they're drugged up, but it's a lot easier

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<v Speaker 1>to manage the entire population if they're all drugged up

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<v Speaker 1>and dissociated.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, yes, that's and that's what I think. One of

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<v Speaker 2>the one of the essays I wrote about in the

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<v Speaker 2>book is is exactly about that. It's like America the hypocrite.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, the war on drugs is like is a farce.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a farce because we're all addicted to these drugs.

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<v Speaker 2>And like, I think it's something like twenty two percent

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<v Speaker 2>post traumatic stress disorder, some kind of disorder and we

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<v Speaker 2>think we can have a functional society when like one

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<v Speaker 2>fourth twenty Like when when when like one I had

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<v Speaker 2>of four people identify as having some kind of disease

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<v Speaker 2>And that's that's insane. How can we actually think we

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<v Speaker 2>live in a healthy that America? I mean, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know about the rest. I mean even I would say

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<v Speaker 2>the Western moral but like, like, how can we think

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<v Speaker 2>we have we have a shot at a healthy way

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<v Speaker 2>of managing our society if the individuals around us are sick.

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<v Speaker 2>There there's I think every single person knows somebody or

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<v Speaker 2>is somebody that identifies with suffering from like depression, bipolar

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<v Speaker 2>anxiety disorder, post traumatic stress disorder, alcoholism, drug addiction, add

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<v Speaker 2>like the buds.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's it's totally fair and factual to say

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<v Speaker 1>what you have just said because America is the staging

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<v Speaker 1>ground for the entire psychological operation. That's why it's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter what corner of the world you're in. We're

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<v Speaker 1>this great place that you want to be there, you

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<v Speaker 1>want it, you have to accept it. It's like a

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<v Speaker 1>from the time you're born, there's this long hypnotic induction

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<v Speaker 1>that occurs where you're led to believe that you need

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<v Speaker 1>to focus on what they're doing. That's the right thing,

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<v Speaker 1>that's how we should all aspire to be. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>nothing but sickness. It's been nothing but that, tricks and

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<v Speaker 1>lies and you name it since the very get go.

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<v Speaker 1>And it's kind of like you know when you've seen

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<v Speaker 1>many things, but it's like having a speculum or something

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<v Speaker 1>that you're like, ah, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Up, regarrane, pluck garden. It forces eyeballs open. He has

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<v Speaker 2>to like watch movies of like insane destruction and stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>and they give they give him you're writing the money

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<v Speaker 2>to hand with that because like they give him a

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<v Speaker 2>him not a violent person anymore, like so that every

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<v Speaker 2>time he sees violence, they like force his eyeballs open.

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<v Speaker 2>And then every time they say he sees violence, he's

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<v Speaker 2>gonna associate it with sickness because they poison in him

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<v Speaker 2>while he watches violence. And that's how they this experiment

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<v Speaker 2>is supposed to create individuals that are no longer violent

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<v Speaker 2>as opposed to like teaching individuals or having a non

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<v Speaker 2>violent a society that practices nonviolence right as opposed to

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<v Speaker 2>like teaching Gandhi in school or like, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know how you create a non violent society,

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<v Speaker 2>but I think one of the first ways of doing

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<v Speaker 2>so is realizing how freaking violent we actually are towards

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves and towards each other, and not like running away

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<v Speaker 2>from that. Like even I think drugging, even drugging something

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, he totally. Like every kid should be forced

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<v Speaker 1>to read Animal Farm and Nonviolent Communication by Marshall Rosenberg

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<v Speaker 1>or something like that, you know, like just just so

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<v Speaker 1>that they know, like this is this is how society

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<v Speaker 1>actually is, and these pigs, these fictional animals are trying

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you something. And then this is how you

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<v Speaker 1>speak to people you know, and then you know, this

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<v Speaker 1>is how you treat yourself. And because it's crazy, like,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go back to the Delauded thing. Seven years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>she was fourteen years old. She came to me at

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<v Speaker 1>she said something happened to her that day when her

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<v Speaker 1>any aspect of her soul since then. We've had to

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<v Speaker 1>part ways because she was on a plethora of other drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>She would often have relapses and be like, I can't

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<v Speaker 1>come to the session today because I just woke up

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<v Speaker 1>in the hospital from an overdose. I literally had these

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<v Speaker 1>Next thing you know, I was in a drug den

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<v Speaker 1>with a needle stuck in my arm, and now I'm

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<v Speaker 1>in the hospital. And it completely corrupted her. And I

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<v Speaker 1>don't even know if she's still alive or not, to

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<v Speaker 1>be honest with you, but that's what's going on out there.

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<v Speaker 1>And so when people say dumb shit like all ketamine

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<v Speaker 1>works for people with anxiety and all that, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>show me the actual circumstances, the day by day, hour

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<v Speaker 1>by hour playback of this person's internal world and how

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<v Speaker 1>they actually dealt with the situation before and after a

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<v Speaker 1>snapshot of their internal representation systems, how they think and

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<v Speaker 1>you know if ketamine works are not I can guarantee

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<v Speaker 1>that if you look at all of that in context,

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<v Speaker 1>And a lot of people are going to turn off

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<v Speaker 1>this podcast and never listen again because I said that

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<v Speaker 1>goodbye to you.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, I think there's something to be said

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<v Speaker 2>about you know, there's a new craze like right now

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<v Speaker 2>of mainstreaming psychedelics and mainstreaming marijuana, and I think that

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<v Speaker 2>psychic sickness that is collective and only through like individuals

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<v Speaker 2>being like, wait, wait, where where's the anxiety coming from?

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll tell you. I believe that it comes from

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<v Speaker 2>And I think if and that's why, I mean, that's

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<v Speaker 2>solutions that society offers our drugs and a mixed mess

417
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<v Speaker 2>and a stigma that drugs are bad, so you're a

418
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<v Speaker 2>bad person. But here you go that mixed message, here

419
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:47.559
<v Speaker 2>you're a bad person if you take this. But here's

420
00:24:47.599 --> 00:24:50.960
<v Speaker 2>the ketamine. Here it is, and it's good for you,

421
00:24:51.319 --> 00:24:54.680
<v Speaker 2>and it's good for you. These studies, these studies show

422
00:24:55.119 --> 00:24:57.480
<v Speaker 2>and we're not doing stuff. How about more studies of

423
00:24:57.559 --> 00:25:00.960
<v Speaker 2>like what about if you you know, I don't, I don't,

424
00:25:01.039 --> 00:25:03.440
<v Speaker 2>I don't buck studies. At some point we're just like,

425
00:25:03.480 --> 00:25:06.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, what what works for you? Like how like

426
00:25:06.759 --> 00:25:08.880
<v Speaker 2>we do? This is what we do. We like we

427
00:25:08.920 --> 00:25:12.079
<v Speaker 2>look at normal people, and normal the normal person isn't happy.

428
00:25:12.279 --> 00:25:14.440
<v Speaker 2>The normal person is like on a roller coaster of

429
00:25:14.519 --> 00:25:19.279
<v Speaker 2>anxiety and depression and at x euphoria sometimes when they're

430
00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:23.880
<v Speaker 2>like you know, having sex or self medicating or you know,

431
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:26.599
<v Speaker 2>putting themselves in extreme behaviors or on vacation. But the

432
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:29.279
<v Speaker 2>normal person isn't necessarily a happy person. So we want

433
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<v Speaker 2>I think it would be very interesting is we start

434
00:25:31.200 --> 00:25:34.359
<v Speaker 2>to like take a happy person, what's a happy person doing?

435
00:25:34.640 --> 00:25:38.480
<v Speaker 2>Like David Lynch just died and he was this really

436
00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:42.519
<v Speaker 2>creative dynamo, right David Lynch. Someone does might not know

437
00:25:42.559 --> 00:25:44.960
<v Speaker 2>who David Lynch is, but David Lynch was a creative

438
00:25:45.480 --> 00:25:48.759
<v Speaker 2>uh director who directed and wrote Twin Peaks and like

439
00:25:48.960 --> 00:25:52.240
<v Speaker 2>Maul and dry and blue velvet and the first Dune,

440
00:25:52.359 --> 00:25:56.160
<v Speaker 2>which you know, whatever, but I loved it. Anyway. He

441
00:25:56.240 --> 00:25:59.599
<v Speaker 2>was a really happy person. And I've been listening to

442
00:25:59.640 --> 00:26:02.039
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of interviews with David Lynch, and one of

443
00:26:02.079 --> 00:26:05.400
<v Speaker 2>the things he did was he like meditated every day,

444
00:26:06.000 --> 00:26:09.319
<v Speaker 2>and he was and he was kind to people like

445
00:26:09.519 --> 00:26:12.640
<v Speaker 2>he was kind. He was a kind person who like

446
00:26:13.039 --> 00:26:16.319
<v Speaker 2>tried to create a family environment in every and no

447
00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:19.680
<v Speaker 2>actor has anything negative to say about their experience working

448
00:26:19.680 --> 00:26:22.079
<v Speaker 2>with Dave. But I think it's something to be said,

449
00:26:22.119 --> 00:26:27.799
<v Speaker 2>like kindness, Like we don't teach kindness necessarily, so we

450
00:26:27.839 --> 00:26:30.880
<v Speaker 2>teach ambition and getting a head and being at the

451
00:26:30.880 --> 00:26:35.759
<v Speaker 2>top of the class. I mean, anyone I get. I

452
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:37.680
<v Speaker 2>get why you want to like take some pills and

453
00:26:37.720 --> 00:26:43.440
<v Speaker 2>get away from that like really kind of intense, I

454
00:26:43.480 --> 00:26:47.079
<v Speaker 2>don't know, backwards way of thinking about yourself, and that

455
00:26:47.200 --> 00:26:51.400
<v Speaker 2>every end, that your esteem and your value is completely

456
00:26:51.440 --> 00:26:58.480
<v Speaker 2>dependent on how much stuff you get, how many awards

457
00:26:58.519 --> 00:27:01.240
<v Speaker 2>you win, how much money you make, how many wives

458
00:27:01.319 --> 00:27:04.279
<v Speaker 2>you have, how many women you've fucked, how many are

459
00:27:04.559 --> 00:27:07.319
<v Speaker 2>men you are interested in you or people you know,

460
00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:11.279
<v Speaker 2>like all this stuff that's all on the surface, that

461
00:27:11.279 --> 00:27:15.119
<v Speaker 2>that that that's how we're conditioned to think that like

462
00:27:15.319 --> 00:27:19.119
<v Speaker 2>that's a happy person or a successful person, and and

463
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:22.559
<v Speaker 2>that's not working. That's not working. We have we have

464
00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:26.880
<v Speaker 2>an increasing rate of suicide jan and we have an

465
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:30.440
<v Speaker 2>increasing rate of drug addiction. And I'm concerned about this.

466
00:27:30.960 --> 00:27:34.480
<v Speaker 2>And I'm concerned about this especially in like the millennial generation,

467
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.559
<v Speaker 2>because it's in our generation, and it's like, it's happening

468
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.279
<v Speaker 2>to us, and it's like, what, well, what can we

469
00:27:40.319 --> 00:27:43.240
<v Speaker 2>do about that? Like, like that makes me so sad

470
00:27:43.279 --> 00:27:46.599
<v Speaker 2>that people are like, oh, like like your like your client,

471
00:27:47.240 --> 00:27:50.559
<v Speaker 2>that that people are are are overdosing and their lives

472
00:27:50.599 --> 00:27:54.440
<v Speaker 2>are getting thrown away and and and nobody seems to

473
00:27:54.480 --> 00:27:58.240
<v Speaker 2>be able to address the problem. And and the baby

474
00:27:58.240 --> 00:28:01.759
<v Speaker 2>boomers are living very long and they're very influential to

475
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:02.640
<v Speaker 2>the rest of us.

476
00:28:03.799 --> 00:28:04.640
<v Speaker 3>And we're back.

477
00:28:05.799 --> 00:28:07.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what happened.

478
00:28:07.759 --> 00:28:08.559
<v Speaker 3>I think that.

479
00:28:10.279 --> 00:28:12.960
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to sound like a paranoid conspiracy theorist,

480
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:15.160
<v Speaker 1>but I think that this kind of stuff happens a

481
00:28:15.160 --> 00:28:18.359
<v Speaker 1>little bit too often to not just say outright whenever

482
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:20.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm having a conversation about this kind of truth, I

483
00:28:20.920 --> 00:28:22.599
<v Speaker 1>get knocked off conveniently.

484
00:28:22.920 --> 00:28:24.519
<v Speaker 3>So maybe you could just pick it up from where

485
00:28:24.519 --> 00:28:25.039
<v Speaker 3>you left off.

486
00:28:25.119 --> 00:28:27.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I just was saying, how I think we are?

487
00:28:28.920 --> 00:28:34.480
<v Speaker 2>I think it's we're like a it's a suicidal Unfortunately,

488
00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:39.640
<v Speaker 2>what's happening is an increase in suicide in the millennial

489
00:28:39.680 --> 00:28:45.039
<v Speaker 2>generation and an maloriy my hid and an increase in

490
00:28:45.119 --> 00:28:47.119
<v Speaker 2>drug addiction in the millennial generation.

491
00:28:47.680 --> 00:28:53.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it's by design, unfortunately. I mean, how are

492
00:28:53.839 --> 00:28:58.799
<v Speaker 1>you supposed to know yourself to the extent that you can, like, Okay,

493
00:28:58.839 --> 00:28:59.960
<v Speaker 1>you actually said something you need.

494
00:29:00.039 --> 00:29:01.519
<v Speaker 3>It was so cool.

495
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:06.720
<v Speaker 1>It was so fucking cool because it shows your level

496
00:29:06.720 --> 00:29:12.200
<v Speaker 1>of self awareness where you were acutely aware of that

497
00:29:12.279 --> 00:29:15.759
<v Speaker 1>part of you that wanted to become addicted to the

498
00:29:15.839 --> 00:29:17.119
<v Speaker 1>chemicals that you were put on.

499
00:29:17.880 --> 00:29:18.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and.

500
00:29:20.519 --> 00:29:23.559
<v Speaker 1>People lack that. So how are you supposed to develop

501
00:29:23.759 --> 00:29:28.759
<v Speaker 1>that when you're inundated with addictive substances like sugar et cetera,

502
00:29:28.839 --> 00:29:32.640
<v Speaker 1>which is engineered now to be not sugar anymore. It's

503
00:29:32.720 --> 00:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>just crack basically, right, you know, when you have doritos

504
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.720
<v Speaker 1>with twenty six ingredients or more in it, and all

505
00:29:40.759 --> 00:29:43.799
<v Speaker 1>of those things, the body doesn't recognize as anything other

506
00:29:43.839 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 1>than a synthetic substance, and so it's going to get

507
00:29:47.000 --> 00:29:51.599
<v Speaker 1>addicted to that. How are you supposed to know the

508
00:29:51.640 --> 00:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>difference between yourself, the world at large, and what's being

509
00:29:56.920 --> 00:29:59.920
<v Speaker 1>offered to you in between. When you're just in a

510
00:30:00.319 --> 00:30:04.640
<v Speaker 1>with chemicals from birth, you lose that ability to self reflect.

511
00:30:05.079 --> 00:30:09.759
<v Speaker 1>And like you were saying earlier about the ketamine thing

512
00:30:09.799 --> 00:30:12.000
<v Speaker 1>and how all that stuff doesn't work, the only thing

513
00:30:12.079 --> 00:30:16.519
<v Speaker 1>that works is breathing and self reflection, does it.

514
00:30:16.599 --> 00:30:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there's no secrets.

515
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:23.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, I mean there's no, it's not there is

516
00:30:23.079 --> 00:30:26.480
<v Speaker 2>no secrets. I will say, I'm not sure I mentioned it,

517
00:30:26.519 --> 00:30:29.079
<v Speaker 2>but yeah. The last time I went to the emergency

518
00:30:29.119 --> 00:30:31.440
<v Speaker 2>room was the day before my surgery, and I was

519
00:30:31.480 --> 00:30:33.599
<v Speaker 2>in a lot of pain and the surgeon said, just come,

520
00:30:33.680 --> 00:30:36.720
<v Speaker 2>we'll get you comfortable. These are the words. We'll get

521
00:30:36.759 --> 00:30:39.079
<v Speaker 2>you comfortable, and we'll take and we'll do a cat skin.

522
00:30:39.839 --> 00:30:46.640
<v Speaker 2>And when he said I'll get you comfortable, I said good, good, right, yes, yes,

523
00:30:47.039 --> 00:30:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I was like good. And my boyfriend was there with

524
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:52.079
<v Speaker 2>me at the time and he was kind of horrified

525
00:30:52.440 --> 00:30:54.960
<v Speaker 2>and he's like, you really And it was grood to

526
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:57.319
<v Speaker 2>have somebody actually check in with, to check in with,

527
00:30:57.920 --> 00:31:00.319
<v Speaker 2>But I was like, I'll be honest, and you're in

528
00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:03.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of pain. Yeah, that shit sounds really good.

529
00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:08.359
<v Speaker 2>That shit sounds really good. But I'm doing this and

530
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:10.599
<v Speaker 2>I think this might be a helpful tool to anybody

531
00:31:10.640 --> 00:31:12.920
<v Speaker 2>who wants to get off this shit. Is that I'm

532
00:31:12.960 --> 00:31:15.640
<v Speaker 2>counting days with a friend of mine. I'm saying, like

533
00:31:15.799 --> 00:31:18.960
<v Speaker 2>day one off de Lawden, So today's day ten off

534
00:31:19.039 --> 00:31:22.440
<v Speaker 2>da Lawden. I haven't had Dolawden or morphine for ten days.

535
00:31:22.880 --> 00:31:27.400
<v Speaker 2>And it helps because it's difficult. It's difficult because the

536
00:31:27.440 --> 00:31:35.880
<v Speaker 2>body likes that feeling of not having that tension and

537
00:31:35.920 --> 00:31:38.440
<v Speaker 2>that pain, or rather it's a break from that. I

538
00:31:38.440 --> 00:31:41.839
<v Speaker 2>don't think it's the body is meant to have that level.

539
00:31:42.119 --> 00:31:45.240
<v Speaker 2>I think that's why people die. People die of drugs

540
00:31:45.279 --> 00:31:47.680
<v Speaker 2>because you're not meant to have that level of just

541
00:31:47.799 --> 00:31:52.680
<v Speaker 2>oh you know, they're supposed to be a level of

542
00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:54.960
<v Speaker 2>tension or pain. That's how you know. Oh I need

543
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:58.119
<v Speaker 2>to stretch, Oh I need to eat. Oh I need

544
00:31:58.160 --> 00:32:00.519
<v Speaker 2>to take a walk, I need to breathe, I need

545
00:32:00.559 --> 00:32:04.920
<v Speaker 2>to meditate, I need The body can't be an equilibrium

546
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:08.720
<v Speaker 2>if it's constantly all the pain and all the sensation

547
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:13.759
<v Speaker 2>and all the feeling is being muted, right, if it's

548
00:32:13.799 --> 00:32:20.279
<v Speaker 2>all being pushed far away, it can't do anything. Uh,

549
00:32:20.599 --> 00:32:23.359
<v Speaker 2>And so that we're not meant to live on morphine

550
00:32:23.440 --> 00:32:26.079
<v Speaker 2>or to Lawden or even just like this craze of

551
00:32:26.119 --> 00:32:30.559
<v Speaker 2>like psychedelics or marijuana or like we're I don't think

552
00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:33.640
<v Speaker 2>we're meant to live like high all the time. I think,

553
00:32:34.079 --> 00:32:35.680
<v Speaker 2>I think, and I write about this, that there's a

554
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:38.640
<v Speaker 2>right you can use. I think there's a right time

555
00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 2>to to take to go on. And I've never done aahuasca,

556
00:32:42.799 --> 00:32:45.359
<v Speaker 2>but yeah, I can. I can see like going like

557
00:32:45.400 --> 00:32:48.079
<v Speaker 2>once or twice in your life to a medicine man

558
00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:52.759
<v Speaker 2>and having a ritual and working some shit out with

559
00:32:52.839 --> 00:32:55.480
<v Speaker 2>somebody that that's part of their culture and they know

560
00:32:55.519 --> 00:32:58.279
<v Speaker 2>what they're doing. You know. Do I think tripping on

561
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:03.960
<v Speaker 2>aahuasca every weekend is a good all to life's difficulties

562
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:09.680
<v Speaker 2>and challenges. Absolutely not. And that unfortunately, stuff like stuff

563
00:33:09.839 --> 00:33:12.279
<v Speaker 2>like that is kind of like, yeah, take some CBD

564
00:33:12.319 --> 00:33:14.720
<v Speaker 2>gummings every night, and it's like, well, maybe you're not

565
00:33:14.960 --> 00:33:17.920
<v Speaker 2>sleeping because there's some other things going on that we

566
00:33:18.119 --> 00:33:20.839
<v Speaker 2>can address. You know, maybe you're not sleeping because you're

567
00:33:21.119 --> 00:33:25.480
<v Speaker 2>watching you're constantly on Twitter and you're constantly refreshing your feed,

568
00:33:25.839 --> 00:33:28.880
<v Speaker 2>and you're like getting concerned about things that really aren't real,

569
00:33:29.599 --> 00:33:32.599
<v Speaker 2>Like Twitter's not a real place. Remember, I mean like

570
00:33:32.640 --> 00:33:35.559
<v Speaker 2>these are all like and that's something too that I

571
00:33:35.599 --> 00:33:39.720
<v Speaker 2>think are the millennial generation it has to is so

572
00:33:39.759 --> 00:33:44.160
<v Speaker 2>important for us to kind of like to own is

573
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:52.000
<v Speaker 2>that like we are a social media slash, Like uh yeah,

574
00:33:52.039 --> 00:33:55.319
<v Speaker 2>like we're we are the generation that like grew up

575
00:33:55.480 --> 00:34:01.759
<v Speaker 2>basically with all these devices and all these like social

576
00:34:01.839 --> 00:34:07.440
<v Speaker 2>media outlets, and it's like they're great distractions, but we're

577
00:34:07.480 --> 00:34:11.280
<v Speaker 2>also like getting heavily into drugs. Drugs are becoming part

578
00:34:11.320 --> 00:34:14.159
<v Speaker 2>of like the millennial everyday experience, whether that's just the

579
00:34:14.199 --> 00:34:19.320
<v Speaker 2>fact that like cannabis is legal everywhere, or we're taking amphetamins,

580
00:34:19.360 --> 00:34:24.199
<v Speaker 2>we're taking Riddlin, we're taking Sarah quoll, we're taking gun typing,

581
00:34:24.280 --> 00:34:29.079
<v Speaker 2>we're taking clinazipam, we're taking opioids. We are being prescribed

582
00:34:29.599 --> 00:34:33.079
<v Speaker 2>all of this stuff and we're taking it right. And

583
00:34:33.119 --> 00:34:35.679
<v Speaker 2>it's not that and I don't want to like negatively

584
00:34:35.679 --> 00:34:37.840
<v Speaker 2>stigmatize it. It is what it is. It's we're a

585
00:34:37.880 --> 00:34:41.880
<v Speaker 2>society that generates drug addicts, and we are the drug addicts,

586
00:34:41.920 --> 00:34:44.400
<v Speaker 2>and like how do we get well? How do we

587
00:34:44.440 --> 00:34:49.199
<v Speaker 2>get well? That's like the big that's and I don't

588
00:34:49.239 --> 00:34:54.920
<v Speaker 2>think anyone cares enough to really to really ask ask

589
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:58.280
<v Speaker 2>of ourselves like are you but are you well? Yes,

590
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.639
<v Speaker 2>you're masking the pain and you're doing and you're allowed,

591
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:08.159
<v Speaker 2>you're getting you're masking the pain with xanax and cannabis. Okay, okay,

592
00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:11.440
<v Speaker 2>but are you well? Are you happy? I don't think

593
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:14.119
<v Speaker 2>people are actually being asked that question. I think people

594
00:35:14.119 --> 00:35:15.280
<v Speaker 2>are being taught to cope.

595
00:35:15.679 --> 00:35:17.760
<v Speaker 1>I don't even think they're really being taught to cope.

596
00:35:17.800 --> 00:35:21.280
<v Speaker 1>I think you know, it's called social media, but it

597
00:35:21.320 --> 00:35:25.599
<v Speaker 1>should be called dissociative media. Yes, because and this is

598
00:35:25.599 --> 00:35:27.639
<v Speaker 1>the third time I'm saying this in a row on

599
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:32.960
<v Speaker 1>an episode, that everything in society is structured for you

600
00:35:33.440 --> 00:35:34.760
<v Speaker 1>to dissociate from.

601
00:35:34.599 --> 00:35:35.719
<v Speaker 3>The reality of it.

602
00:35:37.280 --> 00:35:41.679
<v Speaker 1>And if you look at all of the New Age propaganda,

603
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:46.239
<v Speaker 1>all of the personal development garbage that's on the Internet,

604
00:35:46.360 --> 00:35:52.719
<v Speaker 1>where people think they're improving theirselves, they're learning narcissism. They're

605
00:35:52.760 --> 00:35:56.159
<v Speaker 1>not learning really about true kindness or true forgiveness or

606
00:35:56.159 --> 00:36:01.960
<v Speaker 1>anything like that. You listed a whole set of drugs

607
00:36:02.000 --> 00:36:05.079
<v Speaker 1>there that at one point or another, I've had clients

608
00:36:05.119 --> 00:36:10.280
<v Speaker 1>who've come to me to help them work with their

609
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:14.800
<v Speaker 1>doctor to get off of those drugs, because they were

610
00:36:14.840 --> 00:36:17.360
<v Speaker 1>taking sarah quill, for example, and as soon as they

611
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:21.280
<v Speaker 1>started taking sarah Quill, they started having auditory hallucinations that said,

612
00:36:21.679 --> 00:36:23.800
<v Speaker 1>open the drawer, take out the scissors, and stab your mother.

613
00:36:24.639 --> 00:36:25.960
<v Speaker 2>You know, Oh my god.

614
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:30.840
<v Speaker 1>So that's a good example of how these drugs don't

615
00:36:30.840 --> 00:36:33.320
<v Speaker 1>do any good. They're not doing any good for anybody,

616
00:36:33.480 --> 00:36:36.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't matter how much somebody thinks they've improved or some

617
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:40.880
<v Speaker 1>doctor says is working. In the long run, it's not

618
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:43.679
<v Speaker 1>doing much of anything for you at all. It's actually

619
00:36:43.760 --> 00:36:47.119
<v Speaker 1>creating more issues. And I think that's the plan, honestly.

620
00:36:47.599 --> 00:36:49.800
<v Speaker 1>And if you look at the commercials that come on

621
00:36:49.880 --> 00:36:52.920
<v Speaker 1>TV and stuff, the names of these things are getting

622
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:57.320
<v Speaker 1>even more ridiculous, almost like they're mocking you. And it's

623
00:36:57.360 --> 00:37:01.760
<v Speaker 1>the way that they take these old songs and stuff

624
00:37:01.800 --> 00:37:04.079
<v Speaker 1>that were really popular, and to take those songs on

625
00:37:04.159 --> 00:37:08.159
<v Speaker 1>purpose because they were they've been downloaded into your consciousness,

626
00:37:08.199 --> 00:37:11.719
<v Speaker 1>because they've been a part of public consciousness for so

627
00:37:11.880 --> 00:37:15.559
<v Speaker 1>long that there's something about that that almost becomes one

628
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:19.599
<v Speaker 1>with your subconscious the instant you enter the world that

629
00:37:19.679 --> 00:37:21.679
<v Speaker 1>you identify with it. When you hear it and the

630
00:37:21.760 --> 00:37:26.639
<v Speaker 1>lyrics have been changed to sell a pharmaceutical. You know, yes,

631
00:37:26.840 --> 00:37:30.239
<v Speaker 1>that it's automatically appealing, Like these marketers know exactly what

632
00:37:30.280 --> 00:37:34.800
<v Speaker 1>they're doing. They're not stupid, and the average person takes

633
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:39.280
<v Speaker 1>that for granted. They think, okay, so they say things like, oh,

634
00:37:39.559 --> 00:37:41.079
<v Speaker 1>you know, I can just leave it on in the background.

635
00:37:41.079 --> 00:37:44.000
<v Speaker 1>I just ignore it anyway, really can you? Because everything

636
00:37:44.039 --> 00:37:46.320
<v Speaker 1>that you hear is going right into your subconscious whether

637
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:48.119
<v Speaker 1>you like it or not. You can't stop that from

638
00:37:48.199 --> 00:37:52.239
<v Speaker 1>happening just because you know. It's kind of like if

639
00:37:52.239 --> 00:37:55.440
<v Speaker 1>a tree falls in the woods, you know, did it

640
00:37:55.480 --> 00:37:58.079
<v Speaker 1>really happen if you didn't hear it it?

641
00:37:58.119 --> 00:38:03.199
<v Speaker 3>Did it really did? Yeah?

642
00:38:03.599 --> 00:38:06.679
<v Speaker 1>So that's where we're at with this kind of stuff.

643
00:38:08.840 --> 00:38:12.280
<v Speaker 1>It's about getting the average person to be honest. But

644
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<v Speaker 1>how are you going to get the average person to

645
00:38:14.960 --> 00:38:19.079
<v Speaker 1>be honest when they are living in a society that

646
00:38:19.199 --> 00:38:24.039
<v Speaker 1>conditions you to be complicit with lies? Lies are normal?

647
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<v Speaker 1>M hm.

648
00:38:27.440 --> 00:38:29.639
<v Speaker 2>Lies are normal, And like how to be a better

649
00:38:29.760 --> 00:38:32.599
<v Speaker 2>liar is what we have going on.

650
00:38:34.039 --> 00:38:36.440
<v Speaker 1>It's kind of like you know that movie Liar Orlar

651
00:38:36.519 --> 00:38:38.880
<v Speaker 1>with m Jim Carrey right right?

652
00:38:39.519 --> 00:38:40.039
<v Speaker 2>Completely?

653
00:38:40.440 --> 00:38:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

654
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<v Speaker 2>Oh god, yeah, no, it's it's how do you I mean,

655
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:50.320
<v Speaker 2>this is my advice. I mean, how do you drop

656
00:38:50.400 --> 00:38:55.519
<v Speaker 2>out from that? Like? How do you get yourself good?

657
00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.719
<v Speaker 2>How do you like check in with your soul or

658
00:38:58.719 --> 00:39:04.000
<v Speaker 2>whatever is the still quiet voice inside yourself and honor it,

659
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:07.400
<v Speaker 2>and honor it, no matter if it's telling you that

660
00:39:07.559 --> 00:39:11.519
<v Speaker 2>everyone around you is bullshitting, or that like you don't

661
00:39:11.519 --> 00:39:13.960
<v Speaker 2>fit in with your friend group anymore, or that like

662
00:39:15.679 --> 00:39:18.760
<v Speaker 2>the mo of like maybe one day at a time

663
00:39:18.880 --> 00:39:23.199
<v Speaker 2>doesn't work. Maybe you know, maybe the platitudes don't work,

664
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.719
<v Speaker 2>or maybe they do. Maybe that's what you need to

665
00:39:25.719 --> 00:39:27.880
<v Speaker 2>hear today. Maybe one day at a time is I'm

666
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:35.639
<v Speaker 2>just saying that sometimes we collectively think that like if

667
00:39:35.639 --> 00:39:38.840
<v Speaker 2>I do X, Y and Z, I'm going to feel

668
00:39:39.039 --> 00:39:42.760
<v Speaker 2>a B and C because that's what they tell me

669
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:45.800
<v Speaker 2>to If I if I go one day, if I

670
00:39:45.840 --> 00:39:50.559
<v Speaker 2>live one day at a time, and I and I

671
00:39:50.679 --> 00:39:52.920
<v Speaker 2>just do the next right thing, and I just do

672
00:39:53.079 --> 00:39:57.239
<v Speaker 2>good orderly direction, and you know, and I and I

673
00:39:57.320 --> 00:40:00.719
<v Speaker 2>go to yoga, and I go to soul cycle, and

674
00:40:00.840 --> 00:40:05.239
<v Speaker 2>I go to the gym, and I go out with

675
00:40:05.280 --> 00:40:09.280
<v Speaker 2>a friend, and I work from nine to five and

676
00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.159
<v Speaker 2>then I take my pills and I go to bed,

677
00:40:11.199 --> 00:40:13.239
<v Speaker 2>and I do the next thing every day, then I'm good.

678
00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:17.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm having a good life. But the question is not

679
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<v Speaker 2>that that's a good life can look exactly like that.

680
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:22.880
<v Speaker 2>I would like subtract the pills, but a good life

681
00:40:22.920 --> 00:40:26.360
<v Speaker 2>can look something like that. But is it your life

682
00:40:26.599 --> 00:40:31.400
<v Speaker 2>or are you just living the prescription, the program, the formula.

683
00:40:32.159 --> 00:40:34.880
<v Speaker 2>Because if you're just living the prescription, the program, the formula,

684
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:39.519
<v Speaker 2>then like you're missing it. You're missing your life, You're

685
00:40:39.559 --> 00:40:43.239
<v Speaker 2>missing it. And you know, in my day probably looks

686
00:40:43.239 --> 00:40:45.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot like other people's days. I get up, I

687
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:48.920
<v Speaker 2>have coffee. I mean, I write for a living, so

688
00:40:48.960 --> 00:40:51.599
<v Speaker 2>oh I start writing, you know, but I start doing

689
00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:55.119
<v Speaker 2>my work, right, whatever your work is. But I would

690
00:40:55.159 --> 00:40:58.440
<v Speaker 2>say this is like, I think one of the reasons

691
00:40:58.480 --> 00:41:01.480
<v Speaker 2>I've been able to stay off of drugs is because

692
00:41:01.519 --> 00:41:04.800
<v Speaker 2>there's things in my life that are worthwhile to me

693
00:41:05.280 --> 00:41:09.800
<v Speaker 2>that I in my soul want to be doing. And

694
00:41:10.119 --> 00:41:14.039
<v Speaker 2>it's not that I've done like drugs and I've done

695
00:41:14.159 --> 00:41:17.039
<v Speaker 2>my work, and I'll tell you it's better, I'm better.

696
00:41:17.719 --> 00:41:21.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm better to just do I don't it's not even

697
00:41:21.920 --> 00:41:24.840
<v Speaker 2>it's that I don't need it and I'd rather do

698
00:41:26.159 --> 00:41:30.239
<v Speaker 2>a simpler life with less things that I need. There's

699
00:41:30.320 --> 00:41:33.480
<v Speaker 2>a few things that I need. I need to love,

700
00:41:34.719 --> 00:41:40.760
<v Speaker 2>I need to be loved. I need to nourish my body.

701
00:41:41.159 --> 00:41:44.440
<v Speaker 2>I need to nourish my soul. I need to stimulate

702
00:41:44.480 --> 00:41:48.800
<v Speaker 2>my mind. I need to honor my emotions. And I

703
00:41:48.840 --> 00:41:52.000
<v Speaker 2>need to contribute. I need to feel that I'm contributing

704
00:41:52.039 --> 00:41:55.119
<v Speaker 2>my voice. That's what I need. And it might be

705
00:41:55.199 --> 00:41:59.039
<v Speaker 2>different from like a b Jahn needs, you know, but

706
00:41:59.199 --> 00:42:04.360
<v Speaker 2>like I guarantee you that like the simplest, like I

707
00:42:04.360 --> 00:42:09.199
<v Speaker 2>don't need to be taking like sleeping pills, you know,

708
00:42:10.239 --> 00:42:12.559
<v Speaker 2>like some people might some people that are listening, if

709
00:42:12.599 --> 00:42:15.960
<v Speaker 2>you're listening, I'm not knocking sleeping pills or whatever. I'm

710
00:42:16.039 --> 00:42:22.960
<v Speaker 2>just trying to like ask you, well, what how can

711
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:27.119
<v Speaker 2>you live? How can you like live a life that

712
00:42:27.239 --> 00:42:33.679
<v Speaker 2>feels authentic and like truthful to that still quiet voice

713
00:42:33.760 --> 00:42:36.760
<v Speaker 2>inside yourself? And if you have never experienced that still

714
00:42:36.840 --> 00:42:42.119
<v Speaker 2>quiet voice inside of yourself, like do you want to?

715
00:42:42.519 --> 00:42:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Because I believe I believe I believe that it's there.

716
00:42:46.119 --> 00:42:50.440
<v Speaker 2>I believe everybody has like a still quiet voice, call

717
00:42:50.480 --> 00:42:55.239
<v Speaker 2>it soul, God, higher power, universe, field of consciousness, unity,

718
00:42:57.000 --> 00:42:59.039
<v Speaker 2>you know what I mean. But I believe it's there,

719
00:42:59.400 --> 00:43:02.000
<v Speaker 2>and I believe we're all part of it. I believe

720
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:03.599
<v Speaker 2>we're all like manifestations of it.

721
00:43:04.559 --> 00:43:09.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so yeah, yeah, you're right. I mean, there's just

722
00:43:09.960 --> 00:43:15.079
<v Speaker 1>so much stuff, even like listening to music and stuff

723
00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:19.159
<v Speaker 1>with streaming services and everything. No, there's not a single

724
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:21.880
<v Speaker 1>moment throughout the day you see people walking around with

725
00:43:21.920 --> 00:43:29.159
<v Speaker 1>these ridiculous earbuds in their ears, wireless earbuds, and they've

726
00:43:29.159 --> 00:43:32.519
<v Speaker 1>always got something on. There's always a podcast happening, there's

727
00:43:32.559 --> 00:43:36.679
<v Speaker 1>always music happening. And what that does to people is

728
00:43:37.119 --> 00:43:41.920
<v Speaker 1>it disables their ability to not only let thoughts come

729
00:43:41.960 --> 00:43:47.360
<v Speaker 1>through for analysis, but then they're always relaying on something

730
00:43:47.360 --> 00:43:51.440
<v Speaker 1>else for joy or some other emotion. They put on

731
00:43:51.480 --> 00:43:54.280
<v Speaker 1>a sad song. They want to feel sad, they want

732
00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:58.599
<v Speaker 1>to relive something bad that happened or that they see

733
00:43:58.639 --> 00:44:01.480
<v Speaker 1>as bad, and you know, they want to go to

734
00:44:01.480 --> 00:44:03.880
<v Speaker 1>the gym. They have to put on their favorite playlists

735
00:44:03.880 --> 00:44:07.360
<v Speaker 1>to go to the gym. Nobody's lifting weights anymore, just

736
00:44:07.480 --> 00:44:11.159
<v Speaker 1>in silence, so they're not using that quiet time. Because

737
00:44:11.159 --> 00:44:13.880
<v Speaker 1>when you're tearing your muscle fibers, then your subconscious is

738
00:44:13.920 --> 00:44:17.480
<v Speaker 1>gained all these wonderful memories and emotions and things that

739
00:44:17.880 --> 00:44:21.400
<v Speaker 1>you're supposed to work through. But if you're listening to

740
00:44:21.440 --> 00:44:24.400
<v Speaker 1>a podcast, you're not doing that. You're engaging in somebody

741
00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:27.679
<v Speaker 1>else's opinion about fuck all of nothing that has nothing

742
00:44:27.719 --> 00:44:29.199
<v Speaker 1>to do with the way that you live your life

743
00:44:29.239 --> 00:44:32.920
<v Speaker 1>as an individual every day. So it's actually the opposite

744
00:44:33.360 --> 00:44:38.400
<v Speaker 1>of empowered thinking. And this is what passes for liberation

745
00:44:38.639 --> 00:44:43.840
<v Speaker 1>is it's a forest. It's garbage. And I'm not saying

746
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:46.280
<v Speaker 1>there's anything wrong with that stuff, but I'm very alwayspoken.

747
00:44:46.840 --> 00:44:49.920
<v Speaker 1>And I've also realized that if you leave any leeway

748
00:44:50.119 --> 00:44:54.639
<v Speaker 1>for maybe this thing is good, people don't take you seriously, right,

749
00:44:55.159 --> 00:44:57.079
<v Speaker 1>So you kind of have to go to the extreme

750
00:44:57.239 --> 00:45:00.960
<v Speaker 1>if you want to plant that seed. They just sound

751
00:45:01.079 --> 00:45:02.559
<v Speaker 1>he just said it was great. So I'm not going

752
00:45:02.639 --> 00:45:04.079
<v Speaker 1>to stop doing that thing. I'm not going to think

753
00:45:04.079 --> 00:45:05.559
<v Speaker 1>about why I do it, you know.

754
00:45:06.960 --> 00:45:09.320
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and years go by and a life goes by

755
00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:11.760
<v Speaker 2>and you don't stop and think about it. And I

756
00:45:11.800 --> 00:45:14.119
<v Speaker 2>think one of the benefits of doing a podcast like

757
00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:17.400
<v Speaker 2>this is just like and maybe in an extreme way,

758
00:45:17.599 --> 00:45:21.280
<v Speaker 2>someone needs to hear, like, there's a fucking another way

759
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:21.719
<v Speaker 2>to do it.

760
00:45:22.280 --> 00:45:24.199
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I want people to listen to us and be

761
00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:27.400
<v Speaker 1>like you know what I do that I might have

762
00:45:27.440 --> 00:45:28.000
<v Speaker 1>a problem.

763
00:45:29.039 --> 00:45:33.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, and there is another way, and like quiet

764
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:38.039
<v Speaker 2>is okay, like like being silent with yourself. Like I

765
00:45:38.079 --> 00:45:41.719
<v Speaker 2>cannot stress enough. How like, as someone who's been in

766
00:45:41.719 --> 00:45:43.880
<v Speaker 2>the emergency room at least like ten days in the

767
00:45:43.880 --> 00:45:48.079
<v Speaker 2>past three months with the big being and the like

768
00:45:48.119 --> 00:45:49.960
<v Speaker 2>the doctor and the light's going on and off and

769
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:55.320
<v Speaker 2>all this shit, I can't stress enough how Like valuable

770
00:45:55.400 --> 00:45:59.800
<v Speaker 2>silence is. It's so valuable. It's so important to be

771
00:46:00.199 --> 00:46:03.519
<v Speaker 2>to be silent with ourselves and or to be quiet

772
00:46:03.559 --> 00:46:06.639
<v Speaker 2>with ourselves, and like we don't that's not that is

773
00:46:06.719 --> 00:46:11.119
<v Speaker 2>not a societal trope. Like if anything, people are like

774
00:46:11.119 --> 00:46:14.280
<v Speaker 2>like like I need the podcast going on all the time,

775
00:46:14.480 --> 00:46:16.519
<v Speaker 2>or I need this that's a that's a that's a

776
00:46:16.599 --> 00:46:18.440
<v Speaker 2>going on all our time, or what's the trauma with

777
00:46:18.519 --> 00:46:23.360
<v Speaker 2>my new boyfriend? Like it's just so silly, it's so silly,

778
00:46:23.400 --> 00:46:27.400
<v Speaker 2>and it's so unnecessary, you know, it's so fucking unnecessary.

779
00:46:28.079 --> 00:46:33.360
<v Speaker 2>And yeah, I just I want I want people to

780
00:46:33.400 --> 00:46:37.039
<v Speaker 2>be like, yeah, maybe I could, maybe I could try

781
00:46:37.079 --> 00:46:40.760
<v Speaker 2>to like not like to go to the gym and

782
00:46:40.960 --> 00:46:43.159
<v Speaker 2>maybe like and lift weight. I like that idea of

783
00:46:43.199 --> 00:46:47.159
<v Speaker 2>lifting weights and not having the everybody's got those EarPods

784
00:46:47.199 --> 00:46:49.760
<v Speaker 2>in their ears all the time, and so we're not

785
00:46:49.840 --> 00:46:53.239
<v Speaker 2>even like present with each other. Like you, I'm like

786
00:46:53.280 --> 00:46:55.280
<v Speaker 2>a New Yorker righta walk in on the street in

787
00:46:55.360 --> 00:46:58.760
<v Speaker 2>New York, and like everybody's zoned in to their own

788
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:02.239
<v Speaker 2>different channels, having their own different experiences, and it's getting

789
00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:04.679
<v Speaker 2>worse and not better. And how can we And I

790
00:47:04.719 --> 00:47:06.960
<v Speaker 2>think one of the most healthy things in the world

791
00:47:07.039 --> 00:47:12.519
<v Speaker 2>is connection and feeling like connected to another person, you know,

792
00:47:12.760 --> 00:47:16.719
<v Speaker 2>like feeling that way, and oh my god, it's definitely

793
00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:20.119
<v Speaker 2>like it's definitely I think the best. Yeah, it's the

794
00:47:20.159 --> 00:47:23.559
<v Speaker 2>best to feel connected to another person. And we're missing it.

795
00:47:24.199 --> 00:47:27.360
<v Speaker 2>We're missing it. We're missing the best things about life.

796
00:47:27.840 --> 00:47:31.000
<v Speaker 1>And having said that, you have the best personality. I

797
00:47:31.039 --> 00:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>wish you were in my neighbor. I just come on,

798
00:47:37.480 --> 00:47:40.840
<v Speaker 1>but yeah, you get it. If you lack the ability

799
00:47:40.880 --> 00:47:43.119
<v Speaker 1>to be present with yourself, then what are you doing

800
00:47:43.159 --> 00:47:46.719
<v Speaker 1>to the other people in your environment, your children, especially.

801
00:47:47.239 --> 00:47:48.840
<v Speaker 3>What are you doing to them?

802
00:47:48.880 --> 00:47:51.440
<v Speaker 2>You know, here's the I think one of the things

803
00:47:51.480 --> 00:47:55.400
<v Speaker 2>you're saying to them is that you're not valueball, Like

804
00:47:55.599 --> 00:47:58.920
<v Speaker 2>there's better things out there than you and then the

805
00:47:59.199 --> 00:48:08.800
<v Speaker 2>kid gets grows up thinking that there's I'm not good enough,

806
00:48:09.199 --> 00:48:13.599
<v Speaker 2>there's something better, and then and gets depressed and then

807
00:48:13.679 --> 00:48:16.920
<v Speaker 2>gets into the Once you get in, this is very

808
00:48:17.039 --> 00:48:21.360
<v Speaker 2>very much my experience of like the whole psychological field.

809
00:48:21.360 --> 00:48:24.079
<v Speaker 2>And I'm not there's a time and a place for therapy.

810
00:48:24.199 --> 00:48:27.519
<v Speaker 2>I'm not knocking therapy, but I am sad at how

811
00:48:27.559 --> 00:48:30.679
<v Speaker 2>many people need therapy, and that once you get into

812
00:48:30.719 --> 00:48:35.199
<v Speaker 2>the circuit of the psychiatry and you start taking drugs,

813
00:48:35.199 --> 00:48:37.239
<v Speaker 2>and it gets younger and younger and younger. When you

814
00:48:37.440 --> 00:48:41.360
<v Speaker 2>prescribe drugs, it's very hard to get off of the drugs.

815
00:48:41.440 --> 00:48:45.760
<v Speaker 2>It's very hard. It's almost it's so hard, and so

816
00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.480
<v Speaker 2>anybody that's been on drugs for so long, I feel

817
00:48:48.519 --> 00:48:51.719
<v Speaker 2>for you because it's so hard. I talk about this

818
00:48:51.760 --> 00:48:52.719
<v Speaker 2>in the book.

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00:48:52.760 --> 00:48:56.480
<v Speaker 4>It's like, it is incredibly hard to get off these

820
00:48:56.559 --> 00:49:01.079
<v Speaker 4>drugs because you start so young, and it's arts and

821
00:49:01.119 --> 00:49:03.920
<v Speaker 4>it's and we can see the root with just what

822
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<v Speaker 4>you said.

823
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<v Speaker 2>We're not paying attention to how each how we feel.

824
00:49:09.159 --> 00:49:11.800
<v Speaker 2>We're in our own little world and parents are doing

825
00:49:11.840 --> 00:49:14.360
<v Speaker 2>this to their kids, and the kids grow up and

826
00:49:14.519 --> 00:49:17.880
<v Speaker 2>they wonder why there's a rise of ADHD and I

827
00:49:17.920 --> 00:49:20.480
<v Speaker 2>think it's pretty obvious why there's a rise of ADHD,

828
00:49:21.079 --> 00:49:24.559
<v Speaker 2>Like the parents are off doing X, Y Z, compartmentalizing here,

829
00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:26.639
<v Speaker 2>there and there, and the solution for the kids is

830
00:49:26.679 --> 00:49:28.760
<v Speaker 2>to do X, Y and Z and compartmentalize and do

831
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<v Speaker 2>this and this and this, and so the teachers are saying, no,

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<v Speaker 2>this kid can't focus, this kid can't attend class, can't

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<v Speaker 2>be present. But that's what we're teaching them. We're teaching

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<v Speaker 2>them how not to be present, and we're teaching them

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<v Speaker 2>to compartmentalize, and we're teaching them how not to pay attention.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's so, oh god, it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Just so hardly anybody knows what it's like to have

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<v Speaker 1>a child that doesn't eat sugar all day long as

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<v Speaker 1>well these days. And so if I happen to to

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<v Speaker 1>have access to kids, I should say have access to

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<v Speaker 1>kids because they're not my kids, but I treat them

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<v Speaker 1>like they're my children. My girlfriend has three kids, so

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<v Speaker 1>I get good experiences with teenagers, newly arrived adults, little

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<v Speaker 1>kids nine years old, and the stuff that they say

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<v Speaker 1>is phenomenal because on one level, they get it, and

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<v Speaker 1>they all have friends. They're like, you know, their friends

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<v Speaker 1>all tell them don't ever go to get a diagnosis

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<v Speaker 1>for anything, because you're going to get those pills and

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<v Speaker 1>you're going to wish he never took those pills. And

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<v Speaker 1>the little kids, when they're not on anything sugary, which

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<v Speaker 1>is days, weeks, months at a time, then when they

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<v Speaker 1>do have a cookie, they freak out and then you're like, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so that's what ADHD is right. There is just being

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<v Speaker 1>inundated by chemicals. So I don't think people really have

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<v Speaker 1>much perspective. I think that they're they've been blinded in

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<v Speaker 1>a sense to what normalcy is when it comes to

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<v Speaker 1>things like that. Kids aren't allowed to be kids anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Period.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I don't, they're not. I feel like they're like

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<v Speaker 2>the kids I know, they're so like which they know

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<v Speaker 2>so much about the world, and I'm like, kids should

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<v Speaker 2>be kids. Let them play, Let them just play and

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<v Speaker 2>make up silly stories about nonsense and like we think.

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<v Speaker 2>And I feel like there's even a problem with nonsense.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like, nonsense is good. Remember Alice in Wonderland. Nonsense

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<v Speaker 2>is good. Yeah, I don't know. I think I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's great. So yeah, I think I mean I'm all

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<v Speaker 2>for like like like getting kids to like act out

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<v Speaker 2>and like express themselves and run around and like and

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<v Speaker 2>be their quirky little selves. And I just feel like

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<v Speaker 2>we teach them so young to like they have to

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<v Speaker 2>like pay attention and they can't like space out and wonder.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think what they can't daydream? Like, I think

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<v Speaker 2>there should be a class like just daydream, just like

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<v Speaker 2>put a bunch of kids in the class and like

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<v Speaker 2>have them daydream.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I sent you an email saying everything froze. My

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<v Speaker 1>audio just dropped out. Now it's telling me my internet

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<v Speaker 1>connection is unstable. So when you message you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that's me. I was like, what's going on?

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<v Speaker 2>You're frozen? But I can hear you. But I love

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<v Speaker 2>this conversation and I feel like we need to continue it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like so great. But anyway, I'm sorry, we're your

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<v Speaker 2>internet is unstable. It's it's those person internet doubles.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean it was telling me that something was

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<v Speaker 1>wrong with yours too at the beginning when you were

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<v Speaker 1>talking like red.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe it's my devils.

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<v Speaker 1>I just think it's the internet period. I think it's Zoom.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the Zoom platform is very poor. But recently

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<v Speaker 1>I've been having a lot of technical difficulties. Anyways, So

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<v Speaker 1>I think you finished your last point. Maybe the best

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<v Speaker 1>thing to do would be to wrap this up and

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<v Speaker 1>we could do another one a different day. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and tell everybody where they can find you.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay. So I'm at dcccopeland dot com. My book Societal

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<v Speaker 2>Dropout is going to come out in twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm negotiating with the publishers. Now I don't know who's

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<v Speaker 2>going to do it, but it will be. There will

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<v Speaker 2>be publicity for it in twenty twenty five, so look

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<v Speaker 2>for it in the spring summer, I will say. But

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<v Speaker 2>you can get the raw form, which is like people

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<v Speaker 2>seem to love it. It's called an Artist Manifesto by

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<v Speaker 2>DC Copeland. It's on Amazon. You can just go and

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<v Speaker 2>buy it. You can get it for free on Kindle,

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<v Speaker 2>and you can get a lot of what Johanna and

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<v Speaker 2>I talked about is in an artist Manifesto. It's all there.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all there, all this stuff about drugs, all this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff about this quiet voice, even clockwork Orange that Eyeball's

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<v Speaker 2>opening is in that book. So you can get it there.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm on Korra DC Copeland. I'm you can find me

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<v Speaker 2>on Instagram at dcc copeland Selm.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, great, So, just so everybody knows when they hear this,

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<v Speaker 1>if there's any crackling or awkward spaces or pauses or

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<v Speaker 1>anything like that, it's because of technical difficulties and nothing

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<v Speaker 1>we can do about that. But sorry, I'm sure it'll

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<v Speaker 1>be fine when I piece it all together. But thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for being on the Bonus Authenticdney podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been a pleasure and a joy.

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<v Speaker 5>Awesome you're listening to the Boundless Authenticity Podcast where we

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<v Speaker 5>discuss everything related to the evolution of human consciousness. That's

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<v Speaker 5>very least us need.

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<v Speaker 1>To understand that the United States builds bokers, which are

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<v Speaker 1>basically cities on your ground every three months.

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<v Speaker 6>Basically dream into your self conscious cities, your creativity and

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<v Speaker 6>imagination unshanged, so conscious.

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<v Speaker 2>Reason the imcate your arts.

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<v Speaker 5>Very hard, soul by hard, I are clciousness cultures of

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<v Speaker 5>varium of your gardy. We live in a multi dimensional reality,

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<v Speaker 5>whether it comes through esentary.

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<v Speaker 1>Information in the spiritual realms or the UFO people experiences,

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<v Speaker 1>or mainstream on the physics and through maintream science.

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<v Speaker 2>Now realizing that parallel dimensions probably exist, we're all spiritual means,

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<v Speaker 2>we're all having these human experiences. We've heard of that

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<v Speaker 2>place over and over over. But what does that?

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<v Speaker 3>You know, all of the questions of life, we have

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<v Speaker 3>these answers inside of ourselves.

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<v Speaker 2>We're ultimately studying the nature of what it is to

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<v Speaker 2>be human, good and evil, our psychology, how we're fitting

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<v Speaker 2>in our health. That's why I love Bruce Lee's great

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<v Speaker 2>quote all knowledge is ultimately self knowledge.