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<v Speaker 1>A once popular family YouTuber behind the Channel eight Passengers,

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<v Speaker 1>built her brand on showcasing strict, value based parenting to

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<v Speaker 1>millions of subscribers, but in August of twenty twenty three,

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<v Speaker 1>her carefully curated image collapsed when one of her six

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<v Speaker 1>children escaped her home in alarming condition, nownourished, bound and

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<v Speaker 1>begging for help. The discovery of her child sparked a

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<v Speaker 1>criminal investigation that uncovered systematic abuse, leading to the arrests

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<v Speaker 1>of two women. What followed was a shocking unraveling of

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<v Speaker 1>digital influence, religious extremism, and parental control gone dangerously unchecked.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the story of the family vlogger Ruby Frank.

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<v Speaker 1>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole, and you're listening to Grim,

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<v Speaker 1>a true crime podcast. The following material more mature audience listener.

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<v Speaker 1>Do I sound different?

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<v Speaker 2>No?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, just checking these your headphones. Headphones are still messing

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<v Speaker 1>with me. I don't know. It's it does not seem right.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I need different ones. I don't know, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I just need to get used to them. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>You should probably just get so the same ones don't

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<v Speaker 2>exist anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>Unless they're used. Yeah, at which I haven't looked. I

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<v Speaker 1>can probably find them on eBay, I guess somewhere.

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<v Speaker 2>But well, maybe you should do that before I replace mine.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe, I don't know, we'll see take those. These ones

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<v Speaker 1>are fine, It's just I'm just not used to it. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but what I am getting used to is the warm weather,

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<v Speaker 1>the summer approaching. It's farmers market season again.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. We did go to the farmer's market actually on Saturday.

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<v Speaker 2>It was lovely we did. I had some banck and

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<v Speaker 2>you had some simosis.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, they were delicious.

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<v Speaker 2>I should mention that I had a nintella on my bannock,

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<v Speaker 2>which the next.

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<v Speaker 1>Level, and cinnamon sugar.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually. Yeah, Well the person in front of me, I

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<v Speaker 2>was just going to do nutella and then he was like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh can I also get like a little sprinkle of that?

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<v Speaker 2>And then I was just like, I'll have exactly what

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<v Speaker 2>he had.

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't had bannock before, it's delicious. Yeah, recommend

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<v Speaker 1>ten out of ten. Campfire bannic. I really like doing that,

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<v Speaker 1>which we haven't done in a long time.

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<v Speaker 2>No we haven't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Like you wrap it on like a stick, you

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<v Speaker 1>can even roast it over the fire like that. It's

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<v Speaker 1>so good.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, man, now we're just going to make everyone hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, maybe what you guys should do is, since it's

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<v Speaker 1>the season, go check out your local farmer's market, see

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<v Speaker 1>what you can find. Yeah, and then of course you

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<v Speaker 1>get to support local that way too, which is super cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the best part of it, I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, when you get to like actually support local, you

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<v Speaker 1>support those around you. It's like the community thing. Just

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<v Speaker 1>like over on Patreon, you have many people who support us.

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<v Speaker 2>They sure do.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a good segue here, it was so shout

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<v Speaker 1>out to Kimberly, Nelly, Kylie Flynn, Erica Green, Lily, Capril Loane,

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<v Speaker 1>Capri Glan. It's it's interesting spelling. Okay, don't judge me.

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<v Speaker 1>Capri Loin Capri Loin is how I'm gonna double down

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<v Speaker 1>and say, you say your name, Lily, I'm sorry for

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<v Speaker 1>butchering your name. Kathy Smith, Jordan Fairbanks, Carolyn Leclair, and

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<v Speaker 1>Alyssa Gatehouse.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, it amazes me that we still like weekly have

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<v Speaker 2>a list. Yeah, that's so awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>We have a lot of people who want to check

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<v Speaker 1>us out on Patreon, even if they just like come

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<v Speaker 1>in for a month and ditch out later, or maybe

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<v Speaker 1>they stick around for a long time, whatever the reason,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever their purpose, their support is immense and we really

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<v Speaker 1>appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>We sure do.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we sure do. So I think we should get

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<v Speaker 1>right into this case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is gonna your intro is very interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a different case than we generally cover because I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>typically it's like, oh, murder, murder, murder, right, So I

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<v Speaker 1>was looking for one where there's survivors. So there is

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<v Speaker 1>no casualties in the way of death, and it is

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<v Speaker 1>only survivors in this one. But that doesn't make it

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<v Speaker 1>any less sad for what occurs. But it's a little

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<v Speaker 1>less heavy in that murder that way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but sure, it's sure odd that I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>if she's on YouTube like kind of giving parenting advice

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<v Speaker 2>or so, and then literally treating her kid like a

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<v Speaker 2>piece of shit. Yeah, I am going to be very

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<v Speaker 2>interested in this because that's wild.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well we'll talk. We'll talk about it, don't you worry.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, get on with it. Then.

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<v Speaker 1>So. At one time, Ruby Frank was known as the

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<v Speaker 1>upbeat face of eight Passengers, a popular YouTube channel documenting

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<v Speaker 1>the daily life of a large Mormon family in Utah.

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<v Speaker 1>For years, millions tuned in to watch her pack lunches,

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<v Speaker 1>teach life lessons, and manage the challenges of raising six kids.

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<v Speaker 1>To many viewers, Ruby seemed like the embodiment of family values,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, organized, faith driven, and devoted to motherhood. But

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<v Speaker 1>in the fall of twenty twenty three, her story flipped entirely.

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<v Speaker 1>She didn't just fall from grace, she actually plummeted, you

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<v Speaker 1>could say. In late August, she was arrested alongside her

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<v Speaker 1>business partner and confidant, Jody Hildebrandt, after one of Ruby's

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<v Speaker 1>children escaped from the home in Irving's Utah Now. The

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<v Speaker 1>twelve year old boy was found emaciated and bound with

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<v Speaker 1>duct tape. He fled barefoot through the neighborhood seeking help,

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<v Speaker 1>and what followed was a police investigation that would unearth

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<v Speaker 1>a deeply disturbing system of abuse, discipline disguised as healing,

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<v Speaker 1>and beliefs that pushed parental control into the realm of cruelty.

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby was a smiling mom on YouTube, but the curtain

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<v Speaker 1>had been pulled and it revealed the truth behind the scenes.

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<v Speaker 1>With the charges now filed against her felony, child abuse, neglect,

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<v Speaker 1>and psychological torment. For some, it was a surprise but

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<v Speaker 1>for others, especially long time viewers who raised concerns years earlier,

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<v Speaker 1>the arrest felt like a confirmation of something they had

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<v Speaker 1>already sensed that behind these curtains of the curated family

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<v Speaker 1>content was a pattern of control, punishment, and alarming parenting choices.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, this is wild.

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<v Speaker 1>So back in twenty fifteen, Ruby Frank did what thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of other moms were starting to do. She picked up

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<v Speaker 1>a camera and she started filming her family. The idea

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<v Speaker 1>was simple, share snippets of her life raising her six

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<v Speaker 1>children in a clean cut, faith centered home. She called

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<v Speaker 1>the channel eight Passengers.

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<v Speaker 2>I do like that name. That is kind of a

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<v Speaker 2>cool name.

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<v Speaker 1>It is, and it's a nod to her family of

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<v Speaker 1>eight because she has, you know, six children. There's her

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<v Speaker 1>and her husbands. There's eight of them, and the channel

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<v Speaker 1>it actually quickly took off as well. Now, at first,

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<v Speaker 1>the content was light and relatable morning routines, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>packing school lunches, chore charts, family vacations, nothing particularly flashy,

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<v Speaker 1>just a kind of wholesome slice of life type video

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<v Speaker 1>that resonated with viewers. Ruby and her husband Kevin, both

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<v Speaker 1>members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints,

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<v Speaker 1>which from here on out, I'll say LDS leaned into

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<v Speaker 1>their faith and their family values. They didn't shy away

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<v Speaker 1>from disciplining discussions things like that on these videos and

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<v Speaker 1>things that they were doing. They didn't shy away from

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<v Speaker 1>you know, respect or obedience. But it was all framed

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<v Speaker 1>as loving, structured parenting the audience. It grew fast. Videos

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<v Speaker 1>like gender reveals happened, you know, back to school, shopping days,

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<v Speaker 1>a day in the life with six kids, it racked

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<v Speaker 1>up hundreds of thousands of views. Milestones were celebrated publicly,

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<v Speaker 1>things like kids birthdays, baptisms, and even quiet family dinners.

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<v Speaker 1>By twenty sixteen, eight Passengers had crossed the one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>thousand subscriber mark on YouTube. A year later, they were

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<v Speaker 1>into the millions.

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<v Speaker 2>So in like a matter of two years. Yes, that's

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<v Speaker 2>pretty impressive, actually.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, And with that comes you know, a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>income because doing these sort of things adds and such.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly when you're in the millions of subscribers, that's basically

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<v Speaker 1>a gold mine, honestly. So that set her apart was

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<v Speaker 1>how organized and polished everything looked. The Franks became a

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<v Speaker 1>model of Mormon family life on YouTube, modest, smiling, and

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<v Speaker 1>seemingly in control of the chaos of parenting. They were

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<v Speaker 1>part of a growing subculture of the so called Mormon

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<v Speaker 1>mommy vloggers, which included other popular creators like Ruby's own sister,

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<v Speaker 1>who had also had a successful channel. Now their lies

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<v Speaker 1>became kind of an aspirational type content with traditional devout,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, all this sort of stuff going on. But

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<v Speaker 1>behind the scenes, YouTube's monetization was a powerful motivator. As

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<v Speaker 1>I mentioned, it's kind of a gold mine. With millions

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<v Speaker 1>of views, came real money from ad revenue, sponsorships, and

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<v Speaker 1>even speaking opportunities. Ruby wasn't just sharing her life, she

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<v Speaker 1>was building a brand. She was building a business and

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<v Speaker 1>a career centered around her family. And with every new

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<v Speaker 1>subscriber that brand, it gained more reach, it gained more

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<v Speaker 1>influence and more pressure to maintain the illusion of perfection.

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<v Speaker 1>But before they became a YouTube brand, Ruby and Kevin

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<v Speaker 1>Frank were a typical LDS couple, building a life around

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<v Speaker 1>their family and faith, and the education of their children

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<v Speaker 1>as well. The two met while attending Birmingham Young University

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<v Speaker 1>in Utah, where Kevin was studying engineering and Ruby was

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<v Speaker 1>pursuing a degree in Home and Life and Family life.

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<v Speaker 1>They married in two thousand, eventually setting in Springville, Utah,

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<v Speaker 1>a tight knit community where their faith and family centered

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<v Speaker 1>values were flourishing. Together, they had their six children, Sherry, Chad, Abby, Julie, Russell,

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<v Speaker 1>and Eve. The parenting philosophy was rooted in the doctrines

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<v Speaker 1>of Church of Jesus Christ Latter day Saints LDS, teachings

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<v Speaker 1>that emphasize obedience, family hierarchy, modesty, and spiritual worthiness. These

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<v Speaker 1>beliefs were a constant backdrop in the home and eventually

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<v Speaker 1>their videos on YouTube as well. But Ruby's passion for

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<v Speaker 1>motherhood and discipline extended beyond her own household. She was

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<v Speaker 1>part of a larger family network that had also found

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<v Speaker 1>success online. Ruby's sisters, as I mentioned, had found success.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. Bonnie, Allie, and Julie were all family lifestyle

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<v Speaker 1>vloggers in their own right. Each had their own take

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<v Speaker 1>on the mommy influencer identity, and together they created what

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<v Speaker 1>some viewers jokingly called the Griffiths family YouTube empire.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, they probably saw how successful Ruby was, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I'm not too sure who started first. Okay, certainly

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<v Speaker 1>one of them would have kicked it off and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>got the others into it, and it obviously took off.

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<v Speaker 2>And they're like, wow, we could do this too. So

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<v Speaker 2>it's not easy to make video. So I just have

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<v Speaker 2>to put that out there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not It is relatively difficult. I mean, we started

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<v Speaker 1>doing YouTube a little bit about a year ago. We

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<v Speaker 1>got super busy and we fell behind. We're wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>do it again, but it's not an easy task. It

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<v Speaker 1>is a full time job. If you're going to actually

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<v Speaker 1>pursue a YouTube career, well.

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<v Speaker 2>Then I also just struggle bout it's hard when a

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<v Speaker 2>camera's on you just being yourself and stuff, right, so

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<v Speaker 2>rather than having a facade, yeah and like coming off

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<v Speaker 2>natural and stuff. So, I mean, I've never watched any

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<v Speaker 2>of these people's videos, but it's not the most easiest

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<v Speaker 2>of tasks.

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's for sure. Now, this interconnected group of sisters

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<v Speaker 1>everyone's names for example. Right, So it's it becomes real,

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<v Speaker 1>So there is both both ways on which it can go.

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<v Speaker 1>Fair enough, Well, she was more so on the picture

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<v Speaker 1>perfect side of the scale, and her parenting. As things progressed,

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<v Speaker 1>It seemed like this wasn't just a YouTube mom. This

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<v Speaker 1>to instruct, and to shape within her family, but regardless

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<v Speaker 1>of her feelings or ideas, for years, eight Passengers flourished

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<v Speaker 1>as a family friendly brand. Ruby's image as a nonsense,

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<v Speaker 1>Viewers praised her for setting boundaries and for holding firm

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<v Speaker 1>tiptoes around, you know, gentle parroting. But in twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>the tide had started to turn. Longtime subscribers began raising

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<v Speaker 1>some questions. Something think about the tone of the videos,

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<v Speaker 1>the punishments, the languages, the way Ruby talked to and

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<v Speaker 1>longer a teachable moment. It was becoming almost a public

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<v Speaker 2>Oh gross, that's gross.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah now. One of the most talked about moments came

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<v Speaker 2>For seven months, he didn't have a bed.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct. Viewers watched as Chad, visibly uncomfortable, explained how he

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<v Speaker 1>Now to their defense, I don't think I'm not defending them,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm saying this is their defense. They removed the bed

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<v Speaker 1>for punishment of these prankings, and they said, you can

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<v Speaker 1>but you don't get your bed. And he chose the

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<v Speaker 1>bean bag is how they framed it.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I just don't. Still not okay, Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Still not okay. Honestly, you know what, Remove all your

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<v Speaker 1>kid's fashion clothes, replace it with white T shirts, jeans.

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<v Speaker 1>The last thing you should be removing is a fucking

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<v Speaker 1>bed though, bed. Like I understand taking away privileges, a

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<v Speaker 1>bed is not a privilege.

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<v Speaker 2>I almost feel like a bed is like kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like a safe place in a way. Yeah, like you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a dog or whatever has a kennel and stuff like

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<v Speaker 2>your bed, Like you spend eight hours or nine hours,

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<v Speaker 2>or kids probably spend ten hours or whatever in there,

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<v Speaker 1>They really do. And don't get me wrong, I'm not

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<v Speaker 1>saying go ahead and like take away your kid's clothes

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<v Speaker 1>and they only get white t shirts and stuff. I'm

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<v Speaker 1>just saying, if you're going to take something away, there's

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<v Speaker 1>other ways about it. You can take, you know I

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<v Speaker 1>things that they enjoy away and still give them things

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<v Speaker 1>that they need to survive, things that they need to

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<v Speaker 1>make through life, and so they understand whatever message you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to get across, you know what, take away their toys,

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<v Speaker 1>take away computer time, whatever it is. I'm not a parent,

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<v Speaker 1>don't ask me these questions. I'm probably wrong in saying

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<v Speaker 1>this already, But a bed, are you fucking kidding me?

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, I've heard people like they take away electronics or something,

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<v Speaker 2>but I've heard mostly like for a week or something. Right,

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<v Speaker 2>you're grounded or something for a week. But to take

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<v Speaker 2>away your bed for almost a year is pretty next level. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't have to be a parent to think that's

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<v Speaker 2>next level, No kidding.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, Ruby saw this as a necessary consequence, and many

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<v Speaker 1>others saw it as neglect, which honestly is exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>that is. Then there was a moment when Ruby admitted

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<v Speaker 1>she'd forgotten to pack a lunch for her youngest daughter, Eve,

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<v Speaker 1>as if hunger was a moral lesson rather than a

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<v Speaker 1>basic need. It's not even Eve's fault, it's your fault,

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<v Speaker 1>Holy and Eve is suffering as a moral lesson.

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<v Speaker 2>That does not seem like someone that should be teaching

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<v Speaker 2>of putting it on the school, because I know, like

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<v Speaker 2>schools have like granola bars or something that they can

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<v Speaker 2>pass out, because yeah, like you need to eat, especially

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<v Speaker 2>when you're in this atmosphere of learning and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>trying to lose weight. Hey, maybe you skip a meal.

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<v Speaker 1>I get you, but you shouldn't be like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>forgot to pack my kid's meal. I guess you're going

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<v Speaker 1>hungry today, It's not that she couldn't afford it. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not that she didn't remember it. She vlogged it saying, oh, well,

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<v Speaker 2>That's something that can stick in the kid's life forever.

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<v Speaker 2>Her memory and stuff as kind of traumatic.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, definitely. Other moments followed. Kids were made to sleep

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<v Speaker 1>on the bathroom floor, punishments that seemed more about shame

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<v Speaker 1>than learning. There's emotional breakdowns, kids crying on camera while

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby kept filming. What made it all more uncomfortable was

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<v Speaker 1>that these weren't just hidden moments. Ruby shared them freely,

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<v Speaker 1>sometimes even proudly. To her they were part of the

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<v Speaker 1>process of raising strong, obedient children, But to many viewers

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<v Speaker 1>it started to feel like something much more serious was

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<v Speaker 1>going on behind the scenes. And don't get me wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm sure she is raising strong obedient children. But the

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<v Speaker 1>idea isn't to raise strong obedient children. The idea is

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<v Speaker 1>to raise healthy adults.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it doesn't really sound like they have a

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<v Speaker 1>And what I mean by healthy adults is they grow

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<v Speaker 1>healthy and they become healthy adults. So you need to

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<v Speaker 1>have healthy children to become.

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<v Speaker 2>A healthy adult, like healthy happy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, healthy is determined and described in many different ways

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<v Speaker 1>mentally healthy, physically healthy, you know, eating healthy food, being

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<v Speaker 1>in a healthy environment, a loving environment, you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>she was she was bringing the hammer down way too

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<v Speaker 2>Well, it sort of to me just sounds like they

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, probably well now, By twenty twenty, backlash was growing.

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<v Speaker 1>Viewers began compiling clips in timelines on Reddit and YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>commentary channels. Petitions circulated demanding that eight passengers be demonetized

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<v Speaker 1>and that child protection services investigate the family. Several of

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<v Speaker 1>these petitions gathered tens of thousands of signatures. Still, Ruby

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<v Speaker 1>just doubled down. She dismissed critics as worldly and soft,

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<v Speaker 1>claiming they didn't understand her values. She framed the outrage

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<v Speaker 1>as persecution, even attest to her strength and her faith.

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<v Speaker 1>Her defensiveness only deepen concerns. Multiple wellness checks were reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>conducted by authorities, though Ruby maintained in videos that nothing

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<v Speaker 1>inappropriate had been found. As criticism of eight Pastures intensified,

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<v Speaker 1>Ruby didn't back down. She pivoted. Around twenty twenty one,

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<v Speaker 1>her online content began to change, gone were the light

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<v Speaker 1>hearted family vlogs and holiday crafts in their place intense

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<v Speaker 1>discussions about obedience, sin, and emotional correction. Ruby had found

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<v Speaker 1>a new collaborator and an entirely new philosophy to promote. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>This collaborator was a woman by the name of Judy Hildebrant.

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<v Speaker 1>Jody Hildebrant My apologies now. Jody was a licensed mental

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<v Speaker 1>Her views were stark. Children were not innocent. Instead, they

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<v Speaker 1>were capable of manipulation and deceit. Accountability she believed must

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<v Speaker 1>be immediate and sometimes harsh. And Ruby seen, and Ruby

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<v Speaker 1>seemed to be all into this idea. She's just like, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred percent, She's totally game, totally agrees. Now. Together

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<v Speaker 1>the two women began creating content for Connections in its platform.

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<v Speaker 1>It wasn't just therapy, it was ideology. They recorded podcasts,

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<v Speaker 1>online classes, and video content that emphasized control, emphasized order

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<v Speaker 1>Emotions were suspect disobedience was framed as evil. To Ruby,

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<v Speaker 1>this partnership appeared to be a revelation. Her language grew sharper,

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<v Speaker 1>her demeanor shifted, and on camera she seemed rigid and

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<v Speaker 2>What the hell is going on here? This is just

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<v Speaker 2>angering me?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and it should.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy hell because also, what was the line you said

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<v Speaker 2>there that children should be like held to adult standards

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<v Speaker 2>or something. Yeah, they're not adults though I know that

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't make any sense, I know, but.

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<v Speaker 1>That was their point of view.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh. Okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, behind the scenes, things were unraveling. Ruby and her

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<v Speaker 1>husband Kevin, who had long played a more reserve role

419
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<v Speaker 1>in the channel, separated sometime around twenty twenty two or

420
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<v Speaker 1>early twenty twenty three. While Ruby moved in with Jody

421
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<v Speaker 1>Hildebrandt in the small Utah town in Irvings, Kevin stayed behind. Later,

422
00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:44.480
<v Speaker 1>he would tell police that Ruby had essentially pushed him

423
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<v Speaker 1>out of the house and cut off contact with his children.

424
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<v Speaker 1>In fact, by this point he hadn't even seen them

425
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<v Speaker 1>in over a year.

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<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, I can only imagine that he was not

427
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<v Speaker 2>allowed to basically say a word or have any thought

428
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<v Speaker 2>in how they should be raised or supplend or anything.

429
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<v Speaker 1>Didn't seem like it concerned viewers continued filing reports. The

430
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<v Speaker 1>Utah Division of Child and Family Services had already received

431
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<v Speaker 1>multiple complaints related to eight passengers, and wellness checks were performed,

432
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<v Speaker 1>though no legal action had yet been taken. And as

433
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<v Speaker 1>you know she was saying on her channel, there was

434
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<v Speaker 1>no consequences or nothing ever found. But Ruby and Jody

435
00:24:23.799 --> 00:24:26.720
<v Speaker 1>seemed to tighten their grip. They believe their work was

436
00:24:26.839 --> 00:24:29.160
<v Speaker 1>righteous and then that they were the only ones who

437
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<v Speaker 1>could see the truth about children and parenting.

438
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<v Speaker 2>They almost seem like they think they're like they should

439
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<v Speaker 2>be worshiped or something like they're like starting a cult

440
00:24:39.720 --> 00:24:41.279
<v Speaker 2>or something. I don't even know it.

441
00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:46.359
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, they're going that direction. Yeah, one hundred percent. The

442
00:24:46.400 --> 00:24:49.880
<v Speaker 1>philosophy being preached online was no longer just theory. It

443
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<v Speaker 1>was becoming practice. In a quiet, remote house, far from

444
00:24:53.160 --> 00:24:56.279
<v Speaker 1>the public eye, Ruby and Jody had begun applying their

445
00:24:56.279 --> 00:25:00.480
<v Speaker 1>beliefs in ways that were as extreme as they were dangerous,

446
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<v Speaker 1>but nobody truly knew what was actually about to happen,

447
00:25:03.680 --> 00:25:07.839
<v Speaker 1>not yet. It was August thirtieth, twenty twenty three, and

448
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<v Speaker 1>it began like any other late summer morning in the

449
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<v Speaker 1>quiet neighborhood of Erving's Utah. But by mid morning it

450
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<v Speaker 1>would become the epicenter of a case that would shock

451
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<v Speaker 1>the nation. At ten forty six am, a man named

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Clarkson heard his doorbell ring. When he opened the door,

453
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<v Speaker 1>he saw a twelve year old boy. He was barefoot,

454
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<v Speaker 1>emanciated with open wounds wrapped in duct tape around his

455
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<v Speaker 1>wrists and ankles. His name was Russell and he was

456
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<v Speaker 1>one of Ruby's six children. Security camera footage from the

457
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<v Speaker 1>home captured the quiet urgency of the moment. Now, at

458
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<v Speaker 1>first the boy approached and was knocking in the door

459
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<v Speaker 1>and everything, but there was no answer, and he began

460
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<v Speaker 1>to walk away. But then the door opened and there

461
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<v Speaker 1>was Dan, and he started talking to the boy. Now,

462
00:25:57.759 --> 00:25:59.559
<v Speaker 1>the boy asked for a ride to the police station,

463
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<v Speaker 1>and of course Dan Clark's and his wife as well

464
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<v Speaker 1>asked what was going on and the boy Russell quietly replied, quote,

465
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<v Speaker 1>it's personal.

466
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<v Speaker 2>Oh my goodness, this breaks my heart.

467
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, when the Clarksons they invited the boy to

468
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<v Speaker 1>sit down. They started talking to him, and they called

469
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<v Speaker 1>nine one one. The truth began to emerge. In fact,

470
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<v Speaker 1>on that nine one one call, Dan Clarkson is heard

471
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<v Speaker 1>trying to hold back tears as he describes the situation

472
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<v Speaker 1>to police because Russell's condition, it's obvious what he looks like.

473
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<v Speaker 1>He does not look well. They're talking about how he

474
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<v Speaker 1>obviously looks like he was held the duct tape on

475
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<v Speaker 1>his wrists and everything. And I mean Russell hadn't even

476
00:26:46.039 --> 00:26:48.799
<v Speaker 1>eaten in days when police arrived, like, he was dehydrated,

477
00:26:48.839 --> 00:26:51.920
<v Speaker 1>He was disoriented, and he was terrified. And the problem though,

478
00:26:52.119 --> 00:26:55.400
<v Speaker 1>was he wasn't alone because two of his sisters he

479
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:58.079
<v Speaker 1>told them, were still inside the home that he had

480
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<v Speaker 1>just escaped from and Jody Hildebrand's home.

481
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<v Speaker 2>Hm hmm, this just I actually have tears in my eyes.

482
00:27:05.680 --> 00:27:08.359
<v Speaker 2>That is so this is so sad, Holy shit it is.

483
00:27:09.160 --> 00:27:13.160
<v Speaker 1>Now his paramedics arrived and began assessing Russell's condition. What

484
00:27:13.279 --> 00:27:17.240
<v Speaker 1>they found was horrifying. Yes, his wrists and ankles showed

485
00:27:17.319 --> 00:27:20.319
<v Speaker 1>signs of long term restraints. The skin under the duct

486
00:27:20.319 --> 00:27:24.000
<v Speaker 1>tape was infected, and the wounds were surrounded by a

487
00:27:24.079 --> 00:27:27.920
<v Speaker 1>substance of sorts, and that substance appeared to be a

488
00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:32.920
<v Speaker 1>homemade mixture of cayenne pepper and honey and plastic wrap.

489
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<v Speaker 2>What the actual shit? So they, okay, they're using these

490
00:27:38.039 --> 00:27:40.920
<v Speaker 2>kids as like experimenting, aren't they. I don't know if

491
00:27:40.960 --> 00:27:43.319
<v Speaker 2>that's what's going to come out here, but this is

492
00:27:44.279 --> 00:27:44.720
<v Speaker 2>fed up.

493
00:27:45.799 --> 00:27:48.359
<v Speaker 1>Well. Russell told EMTs that he had been tied up

494
00:27:48.400 --> 00:27:52.039
<v Speaker 1>by his mother and Miss Jody as form of punishment.

495
00:27:52.279 --> 00:27:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Miss Jody.

496
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<v Speaker 1>You, in fact, though he was so deeply into this

497
00:27:58.599 --> 00:28:03.519
<v Speaker 1>ideology that his mother was betraying and putting on this household,

498
00:28:04.119 --> 00:28:06.960
<v Speaker 1>he blamed himself and he said that he deserved it.

499
00:28:07.279 --> 00:28:10.759
<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. And this little boy is twelve years old.

500
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Correct, Oh no, oh no, So he's like, yeah, my

501
00:28:14.319 --> 00:28:16.160
<v Speaker 1>mommy did this to me. My mom tied me up

502
00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.799
<v Speaker 1>and ductate me. But you know, I deserved it. I

503
00:28:18.880 --> 00:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>was being punished. I was being bad.

504
00:28:20.720 --> 00:28:22.839
<v Speaker 2>What the hell is wrong with this person?

505
00:28:23.440 --> 00:28:23.799
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

506
00:28:23.839 --> 00:28:26.480
<v Speaker 2>These two women, I guess not just this person, but

507
00:28:26.640 --> 00:28:27.680
<v Speaker 2>holy shit.

508
00:28:28.880 --> 00:28:33.720
<v Speaker 1>Meanwhile, police sprang into action. Officers on scene quickly confirmed

509
00:28:33.759 --> 00:28:36.559
<v Speaker 1>the location of Jody Hildebrandt's house and noted the urgent

510
00:28:36.640 --> 00:28:38.880
<v Speaker 1>need to perform a welfare check for the other children.

511
00:28:38.920 --> 00:28:41.640
<v Speaker 1>Because as as he said, there's you know, his two

512
00:28:41.720 --> 00:28:43.799
<v Speaker 1>siblings are in the house. Russell approaches like, yeah, I've

513
00:28:43.799 --> 00:28:46.440
<v Speaker 1>got my two sisters in that house still. So officers

514
00:28:46.440 --> 00:28:48.079
<v Speaker 1>are like, we need to get there, we need to

515
00:28:48.079 --> 00:28:50.200
<v Speaker 1>do welfare check, we need to see how these other

516
00:28:50.240 --> 00:28:54.000
<v Speaker 1>two kids are. So as they're still, you know, at

517
00:28:54.039 --> 00:28:56.799
<v Speaker 1>the home where Russell knocked on the door, they're talking

518
00:28:56.799 --> 00:28:59.200
<v Speaker 1>to the Clarksons and they're talking to Russell. They're getting

519
00:28:59.200 --> 00:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>their bearings, trying to figure out what they're going to do.

520
00:29:02.480 --> 00:29:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Something happened as they prepared. Jody Hildebrandt herself drove up.

521
00:29:11.680 --> 00:29:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh okay, I was kind of expecting that, but like,

522
00:29:14.119 --> 00:29:16.039
<v Speaker 2>what the hell is she going to have as an

523
00:29:16.079 --> 00:29:16.720
<v Speaker 2>excuse here?

524
00:29:17.039 --> 00:29:19.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, she told the officer she was looking for a

525
00:29:19.079 --> 00:29:22.200
<v Speaker 1>twelve year old boy who had run away. Now, the

526
00:29:22.200 --> 00:29:26.240
<v Speaker 1>officers did not reveal the situation to her. They're like, oh, okay, yeah, no,

527
00:29:26.319 --> 00:29:28.960
<v Speaker 1>where can we Let's get your information, your name number,

528
00:29:28.960 --> 00:29:31.000
<v Speaker 1>where do you live. They got all this stuff, and

529
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:33.039
<v Speaker 1>they're like, well, we'll show up at your house here shortly,

530
00:29:33.079 --> 00:29:35.640
<v Speaker 1>we'll talk, we'll figure this out, we'll help you find them.

531
00:29:36.200 --> 00:29:38.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, But then they just told her that she they're

532
00:29:38.240 --> 00:29:39.240
<v Speaker 2>showing up at her house.

533
00:29:39.599 --> 00:29:42.160
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I don't know if they specifically said they

534
00:29:42.160 --> 00:29:43.720
<v Speaker 1>were going to show up at the house. That was

535
00:29:43.759 --> 00:29:46.599
<v Speaker 1>me paraphrase. Okay, but they're like, we'll be in touch,

536
00:29:46.599 --> 00:29:49.559
<v Speaker 1>we'll figure this out, we'll find him, okay, okay. So

537
00:29:50.119 --> 00:29:52.839
<v Speaker 1>they took her information without revealing anything that they already knew,

538
00:29:53.160 --> 00:29:57.440
<v Speaker 1>and she went home. But minutes later she received a

539
00:29:57.519 --> 00:30:01.279
<v Speaker 1>knock on the door because the police went there too. Now,

540
00:30:01.319 --> 00:30:03.880
<v Speaker 1>what followed was a tense confrontation, which was caught on

541
00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:08.680
<v Speaker 1>police body cameras, and officers instructed Jody to ex the house,

542
00:30:08.759 --> 00:30:12.200
<v Speaker 1>and they immediately when that door was opened, they pulled

543
00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:13.960
<v Speaker 1>her out, like get out of here, and they went

544
00:30:14.000 --> 00:30:16.759
<v Speaker 1>in the home looking for the kids. Now, she refused

545
00:30:16.799 --> 00:30:19.279
<v Speaker 1>and demanded to see a warrant right away. She's like,

546
00:30:19.279 --> 00:30:21.559
<v Speaker 1>you don't have a warrant. You don't have a warrant. However,

547
00:30:21.640 --> 00:30:23.519
<v Speaker 1>she was also on the phone with her attorney. Whether

548
00:30:23.559 --> 00:30:26.279
<v Speaker 1>she phoned like right away or not, but wow, she's

549
00:30:26.359 --> 00:30:29.319
<v Speaker 1>like and the attorney's like no, like they it's a

550
00:30:29.319 --> 00:30:31.480
<v Speaker 1>welfare check, Like you can't they don't need a warrant.

551
00:30:31.599 --> 00:30:33.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Like, you're a piece of shit. Just get out

552
00:30:33.559 --> 00:30:34.039
<v Speaker 2>of the house.

553
00:30:34.160 --> 00:30:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. She's meanwhile insisting she has legal rights, but it's like, no,

554
00:30:37.480 --> 00:30:40.119
<v Speaker 1>this is a welfare check. They're not doing an investigation,

555
00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:42.319
<v Speaker 1>they're not pulling evidence, nothing like that. But they're doing

556
00:30:42.319 --> 00:30:44.519
<v Speaker 1>a welfare check to find out if these kids are okay.

557
00:30:44.720 --> 00:30:48.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they're not. And that's why she didn't want

558
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 2>them to come in exactly. I can only imagine. Yeah.

559
00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:54.160
<v Speaker 1>Now, the nine one one call, combined with Russell's visible

560
00:30:54.160 --> 00:30:56.839
<v Speaker 1>injuries and his claims that siblings were still inside, gave

561
00:30:56.880 --> 00:30:59.319
<v Speaker 1>them that legal authority to enter, and so they did.

562
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.960
<v Speaker 1>Once inside, they were met with an eerie stillness. The

563
00:31:03.039 --> 00:31:06.000
<v Speaker 1>house was large. It was sprawling, like it was a

564
00:31:06.160 --> 00:31:09.480
<v Speaker 1>fucking mansion, let's be honest, filled with rooms and hallways

565
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:13.039
<v Speaker 1>containing a layout that made searching both slow and they

566
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:16.200
<v Speaker 1>needed to be very deliberate about it. The officers knew

567
00:31:16.200 --> 00:31:18.039
<v Speaker 1>that they were going to need some help, so they

568
00:31:18.079 --> 00:31:21.319
<v Speaker 1>pulled the home blueprints, and thank god they did, because

569
00:31:21.359 --> 00:31:24.359
<v Speaker 1>with so many rooms, hidden spaces and offshoots, it would

570
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:28.359
<v Speaker 1>have been easy to miss something so critical. The blueprints

571
00:31:28.440 --> 00:31:31.720
<v Speaker 1>helped confirm a room in the basement that immediately raised

572
00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:35.480
<v Speaker 1>red flags with a vault style safe door had to

573
00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:39.599
<v Speaker 1>be at the front, so it's more like a safe

574
00:31:39.640 --> 00:31:41.359
<v Speaker 1>room sort of thing, Like you go down it's like

575
00:31:41.680 --> 00:31:44.920
<v Speaker 1>concrete walls, concrete floor. There's a bathroom like a bedroom

576
00:31:44.960 --> 00:31:48.920
<v Speaker 1>down there, and this great big vault door at the front.

577
00:31:50.279 --> 00:31:52.599
<v Speaker 1>But before investigators could reach that part of the house,

578
00:31:53.480 --> 00:31:58.240
<v Speaker 1>they found Eve, one of the children. She was nine

579
00:31:58.319 --> 00:32:01.480
<v Speaker 1>years old, and she was hidden inside a bathroom closet.

580
00:32:02.759 --> 00:32:06.200
<v Speaker 1>She didn't cry, she didn't speak, she didn't even seem

581
00:32:06.200 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 1>to register the officers at first. The image of her

582
00:32:09.440 --> 00:32:12.599
<v Speaker 1>curled up sitting on the floor silently in that tice

583
00:32:12.880 --> 00:32:15.359
<v Speaker 1>tight space would say with everyone who saw that body

584
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:17.599
<v Speaker 1>cam footage, And I did see that footage, and it's

585
00:32:18.519 --> 00:32:19.279
<v Speaker 1>it's heartbreaking.

586
00:32:19.480 --> 00:32:20.119
<v Speaker 2>Oh boy.

587
00:32:20.920 --> 00:32:24.920
<v Speaker 1>A trained police officer gently introduced himself, promised her safety,

588
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:27.880
<v Speaker 1>and sat on the floor next to her. She didn't

589
00:32:27.880 --> 00:32:30.759
<v Speaker 1>really speak, she didn't really do anything. He said, we

590
00:32:30.799 --> 00:32:32.720
<v Speaker 1>don't have to say anything if you don't want to.

591
00:32:33.359 --> 00:32:34.920
<v Speaker 1>I'm just here to make sure you're okay.

592
00:32:35.799 --> 00:32:39.039
<v Speaker 2>Oh man. The fact that he just sits down with her, like, oh,

593
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:42.559
<v Speaker 2>that's like the first time in probably forever that she

594
00:32:42.640 --> 00:32:45.440
<v Speaker 2>got even like a small amount of respect from someone.

595
00:32:45.480 --> 00:32:49.960
<v Speaker 1>Oh, definitely, it continues, and it'll break your fucking heart

596
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.119
<v Speaker 1>because she doesn't say a word. She just kind of

597
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.599
<v Speaker 1>like just stares and like she's super nervous. And she

598
00:32:55.119 --> 00:32:56.519
<v Speaker 1>might have said a word or two just being like

599
00:32:56.640 --> 00:32:59.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm nervous, like that sort of thing, but other than that,

600
00:32:59.200 --> 00:33:02.319
<v Speaker 1>just stone silent. And they sat with her, and they

601
00:33:02.359 --> 00:33:06.279
<v Speaker 1>worked with her for hours before she would eventually move

602
00:33:06.279 --> 00:33:09.440
<v Speaker 1>out of that closet. Now before she did move, though,

603
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:11.599
<v Speaker 1>to gain her trust, they decided they were going to

604
00:33:11.759 --> 00:33:14.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, give her some food, some pizza. So they

605
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.799
<v Speaker 1>ordered you know, officers are searching his house. It's taking hours,

606
00:33:17.920 --> 00:33:20.559
<v Speaker 1>so they ordered the whole crew lunch. They ordered a

607
00:33:20.599 --> 00:33:22.680
<v Speaker 1>bunch of pizza, and they ordered her a personal pizza

608
00:33:22.759 --> 00:33:26.240
<v Speaker 1>for herself and a fountain pop as well a soda.

609
00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:27.839
<v Speaker 1>So they bring it to her and they put the food,

610
00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:30.119
<v Speaker 1>the pizza box on the floor right in front of her,

611
00:33:30.119 --> 00:33:31.440
<v Speaker 1>and a pop like you can eat if you want,

612
00:33:31.480 --> 00:33:34.079
<v Speaker 1>it's okay, and you can see her. She doesn't really

613
00:33:34.240 --> 00:33:38.000
<v Speaker 1>react at first, and of course she's quite skinny, she's

614
00:33:38.079 --> 00:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>been deprived of food and everything. Within seconds, she slowly

615
00:33:42.200 --> 00:33:44.759
<v Speaker 1>starts reaching for that pizza and drags a box closer

616
00:33:44.799 --> 00:33:48.920
<v Speaker 1>to her opens it up and she starts eating. She

617
00:33:49.039 --> 00:33:51.680
<v Speaker 1>eats the entire pizza to herself, and then she even

618
00:33:51.759 --> 00:33:54.440
<v Speaker 1>asks for more of the officer's pizzas.

619
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<v Speaker 2>Seriously, I just saw right now. I'm not going to

620
00:33:59.319 --> 00:34:04.079
<v Speaker 2>listen in the rest this episode always shit. Oh man, Okay.

621
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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So Eve was skeletal. She was terrified and emotionally

622
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:13.000
<v Speaker 1>shut down. Her physical condition mirrored rustles, open sores, signs

623
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:18.519
<v Speaker 1>of dehydration, and serious malnourishment. EMTs who later examined her

624
00:34:18.519 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 1>noted deep wounds on her feet from being forced to

625
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<v Speaker 1>walk barefoot, and they were concerns, concerned enough to send

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<v Speaker 1>her directly to the hospital alongside her brother. You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>I wasn't gonna do this. I was gonna do it

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<v Speaker 1>all in one part. But I think let's stop and

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<v Speaker 1>do two parts for this because it's heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god? Why? Because your wife is over your solving?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, this is heavy. I think a break for this

632
00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:45.880
<v Speaker 1>would be good, and I think this might be a

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<v Speaker 1>good place to stop it. Do you want me to

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<v Speaker 1>go a little bit further before I stop, or is

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<v Speaker 1>this a good stopping point for you?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, you decide. I don't even know what

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<v Speaker 2>the hell is to come. I just can't even fathom that,

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<v Speaker 2>like someone's like an adult who's supposed to be like

639
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<v Speaker 2>protecting these littles like a mom and stuff is doing this.

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<v Speaker 2>It's unreal. It's unreal.

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<v Speaker 1>It is it really is.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh man, I don't okay, let's just stop, I

643
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<v Speaker 2>guess because I can't get this pizza thing out of

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<v Speaker 2>my mind. It's going to destroy me all day.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry, let's stop here. This is definitely heavy, so let's

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<v Speaker 1>continue in part two. I'll make sure that I put

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<v Speaker 1>part one, because we didn't discuss this being two parts

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<v Speaker 1>in the beginning of this episode. I'll put part one

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<v Speaker 1>in the title. Make sure you guys understand its part

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<v Speaker 1>one before you click on it. And Nicole's glaring at

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<v Speaker 1>me and crying.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not glaring at you. I'm just like, holy shit,

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<v Speaker 2>I can't get my shit together right now. It's so sad.

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<v Speaker 1>It is. And this is supposed to be a woman

655
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<v Speaker 1>who's teaching other people how to raise their children, who's

656
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<v Speaker 1>portraying good family values, and she's doing this to her children.

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<v Speaker 2>And the fact that they're like living in a mansion.

658
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<v Speaker 2>She clearly has like a lot of money, and she

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<v Speaker 2>could just be giving those kids like the world really yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and this is what she's doing. It's just heartbreaking because

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<v Speaker 2>so many people there can't afford to give their kids

662
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<v Speaker 2>what they would want to and she can and this

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<v Speaker 2>is what she's doing, Like, are you kidding me?

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<v Speaker 1>I know there's millions of people out there, like hundreds

665
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<v Speaker 1>of millions of people out there, probably who don't have

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<v Speaker 1>who barely have enough money to get by, and they

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<v Speaker 1>are ensuring they give their kids still the world. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>love the attention. They're doing double triple shifts before Christmas.

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<v Speaker 1>They can afford a Christmas present. Yeah, And meanwhile, this

670
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<v Speaker 1>bitch is taking away their kids' beds, making them walk

671
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<v Speaker 1>barefoot through a fucking mansion, on these punishments like not

672
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<v Speaker 1>feeding them, yeah, tying them. Oh my god.

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<v Speaker 2>Well I just can't imagine the police officer to like

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<v Speaker 2>watching her eat this food and then her asking for

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<v Speaker 2>like some of his Like, oh my gosh, I just

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<v Speaker 2>think that you would never be able to recover from

677
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<v Speaker 2>that because your heart would just like sink. Yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>that is it's too much?

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<v Speaker 1>No, that's totally fair. So yeah, I have no idea

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<v Speaker 1>how long this episode is because I didn't plan on

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<v Speaker 1>it being a two parter. Hopefully it was good. We'll

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<v Speaker 1>catch up in the rest of it in the next part.

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<v Speaker 1>Give you guys a breather in between, and let Nicole.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll get her a box of Kleenex so she can get.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm fine, I'm fine. Everything well no, not everything is fine.

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<v Speaker 2>This world's fucked up, but I'm fine.

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<v Speaker 1>This world's fucked up. Yeah, this was supposed to be

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<v Speaker 1>a bit of a nicer case because hey, they're survivors.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, at you at the beginning of this, you're like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>we're just like toning it down a bit. I did

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<v Speaker 2>say where everybody who's probably saw being away, it's way

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<v Speaker 2>worse than ones where people were getting like murdered in

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<v Speaker 2>their heads cut off.

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<v Speaker 1>I did say that it was survivors, and I did

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<v Speaker 1>say it was still heavy. I guess it's just very

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<v Speaker 1>I did also say it's heavy in its own way.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't win. I'm just I'm the bad guy every time.

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<v Speaker 2>No, I'm sorry, No, it's just I think the next

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<v Speaker 2>episode will probably be better. Well, they'll probably be really

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<v Speaker 2>shitty parts, but then you know, we'll get just they

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<v Speaker 2>get out of this, right, So.

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<v Speaker 1>Definitely, I'll tell you right now. Finding Eve. The eating

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<v Speaker 1>the pizza situation is probably the heaviest part of this.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, of course we still go over heavy things,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, it was it was just a heavy encounter

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<v Speaker 1>with Eve.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's put it that, no kidding. In the bathroom closet.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so now I will say this bathroom closet's not

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<v Speaker 1>like a closet we generally think of. I should describe

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<v Speaker 1>it a bit better. It's probably the size of like

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<v Speaker 1>your standard bathroom. Oh okay, so it's it's like it's

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<v Speaker 1>like probably like a six by six room something like that,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe an eight by eight room even.

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<v Speaker 2>Still, yes, what the fuck?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, But anyways, I digress. Sorry for being so heavy

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<v Speaker 1>on this one. If you want to check out links

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<v Speaker 1>all in the description, we'll catch you in part two.

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<v Speaker 1>Hopefully you have a good time to take this all

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<v Speaker 1>in and we'll talk more and discuss it then.

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<v Speaker 2>So until next time, stay wicked.