Speaker 1: And Hello, Welcome to the Big Podcast on this Tuesday,
the twenty eighth day of July, Year of Our Lord,
twenty twenty six.
Speaker 2: My name is Tom Sullivan.
Speaker 1: We start. We got a lot to cover today. We
start with Lindsey Graham and the memorial service that was
held today started off this morning in the rotunda of
the Capitol. He did not lay in state, it was
there have been other senators and prominent people that have
also been brought in for a service under the rotunda.
So that took place at ten o'clock this morning, and
then the funeral itself was at two o'clock this afternoon
at the Washington National Cathedral. President was there. He gave
the eulogy. There were both sides of the isle. It's
interesting where I know, you're supposed to say nice things
about people when they die, but Lindsey Graham had a
lot of people on a lot of friends on both
sides of the isle that admired him. Anyway, There'll be
a second funeral again tomorrow at twelve noon in South
Carolina at the First Baptist Church of Columbia, and then
there'll be a private burial later tomorrow in Pickens County,
South Carolina. So may he rest in peace. I thought,
in remembrance of Senator Lindsey Graham, one of the things
that everybody has been bringing up in the last couple
of days since he passed away was the unbelievable mark
that he made when he was on the Judiciary Committee
and before them was the question about the nomination of
Brett Kavanaugh to be a Supreme Court justice. And that's
when Christine Ford came forward late in the middle of
that whole hearing and said, oh, by the way, And
so when all was said and done, Lindsey Graham unloaded
on his fellow senators, and I thought, well, as a
tribute to him, I'll play it. It's a couple of
three minutes something like that long. But I've never seen
Lindsay Graham like that before or since then. Everybody said
he was such a collegial guy. He wasn't on that
particular day. That was back in twenty eighteen. Here's the
late great Senator Lindsay Graham at the Kavanaugh hearing.
Speaker 3: Are you aware that at nine to twenty three on
the night of July the night the day you were
nominated to the Supreme Court by President Trump, Senator Schumer
said twenty three minutes after your nomination, I will oppose
Judge Kavanaugh's nomination with everything I have. I have a
bypartisan I hope a by person majority will do the same.
The stakes are simply too high for anything less. Well,
if you weren't aware of it, you are now. Did
you meet with Senator Diane Feinstein on August twentieth.
Speaker 2: I did meet with Sentata Finestein.
Speaker 3: Did you know that her staff had already recommended a
lawyer to doctor Ford?
Speaker 2: I did not know that.
Speaker 4: Did you know that her.
Speaker 3: And her staff had this allegations for over twenty days?
Speaker 2: I did not know that at the time.
Speaker 3: If you wanted an FBI investigation, you could have come
to us. What you want to do is destroy this
guy's life, hold this seat open, and hope you went
in twenty twenty. You've said that, not me. You've got
nothing to apologize for. When you see Soda Maron Kagan,
tell him that Lindsay said, oh, because I voted for them,
I would never do to them what you've done to
this guy. This is the most unethical sham since I've
been in politics. And if you really wanted to know
the truth, you sure as hell wouldn't have done what
you've done to this guy.
Speaker 4: Are you a gang rapist?
Speaker 3: No? I cannot imagine what you and your family have
gone through. Boy, y'all want power. God, I hope you
never get it. I hope the American people can see
through this sham that you knew about it and you
held it. You had no intention of protecting doctor fort none.
She's as much of a victim as you are.
Speaker 2: God.
Speaker 3: I hate to say it because these have been my friends,
but let me tell you when it comes to this,
you're looking for a fair process. You came to the
wrong town at the wrong time. My friend, do you
consider this a job interview?
Speaker 2: The advice and consent role is like a job you.
Speaker 3: Consider that you've been through a job interview.
Speaker 2: I've been through a process of advice and consent under
the Constitution.
Speaker 1: Would you say you've been through hell?
Speaker 2: I've been through hell and then some.
Speaker 4: This is not a job interview. Yeah, this is hell.
Speaker 3: This. This is going to destroy the ability of good
people to come forward because of this crap.
Speaker 4: Your high school yearbook.
Speaker 3: You have interacted with professional women all your life, not
one accusation. You're supposed to be Bill Cosby, when you're
a junior and senior and high school and all of
a sudden you got over it.
Speaker 4: It's been my understanding.
Speaker 3: That if you drug women and rape them for two
years in high school, you probably don't stop. Here's my understanding.
If you lived a good life, people would recognize it.
Like the American Bar Association has the gold standard. His
integrity is absolutely unquestioned. He is the very circumspect in
his personal conduct, harbors no biases or prejudices. He's entirely ethical,
is a really decent person. He is warm, friendly, unassuming.
He's the nicest person.
Speaker 4: The ABA.
Speaker 3: The one thing I can tell you you should be
proud of, Ashley. You should be proud of this that
you raised a daughter who had the good character to
pray for doctor Ford. To my Republican colleagues, if you
vote no, you're legitimizing the most despicable thing I have
seen in my time in politics.
Speaker 4: This seat.
Speaker 3: I hope you never get it. I hope you're on
the Supreme Court. That's exactly where you should be. And
I hope that the American people will see through this charade.
And I wish you well, and I intend to vote
for you, and I hope everybody who's fair minded will.
Speaker 5: So that was it.
Speaker 1: The audio one was a little bit warbly have tried
to find the best that we could from twenty eighteen. Surprising.
I thought there would be like fifty different versions of it.
But in any case, Lindsey Graham supposed to be one
of the nicest guys that you'll ever find. Both sides
of the isle liked him. I don't think it was
just simply because of the fact that he passed away,
But on that particular day in twenty eighteen, he was mad,
and that was not something that people had ever seen
before from Lindsey Graham. So God bless the man. That's
May he rest in peace. All Right, they ron, it's still. Yes,
I'm pulling my hair out still. I told you yesterday
I was pulling my hair out. The President has said
that they have been wanting to have a peace agreement.
They want to talk, and he said that they asked
nicely for us to stop bombing them. Listen, here's the
President saying that this is on Air Force one. Little
noisy in the background, Yes, it's very nicely, please stop,
let's beat.
Speaker 6: And that's where we are right now let's see what
happens if we don't make a deal, we go back to.
Speaker 2: The same thing.
Speaker 1: So he's talking about they asked us to please stop,
and if we don't make a deal, we just go
back to what we were doing before. But he's still
talking about making a deal. I don't know why he's
so fixated on that. And he why did he stop
the military campaign. He keeps stopping it, and then he
starts it, then he stops it. He also kept increasing
his threats about how there he's going to blow them
to Smithereens that sort of thing, but then he says
he really wants to avoid doing that, so he's not
dedicated to militarily winning this thing. He thinks he's doing
a deal, and he keeps talking about a deal. This
is not a real estate deal. This is war and
it's time to take care of getting that regime out
of there. But ma'am, this is just gonna drag it
on and drag it on and drag it on. So
that's about all we got on the Iran story. That's
all I got to update you on with Today, we
got a story about Brian Kolberger, Remember the guy who
murdered the four college kids in Moscow, Idaho, a couple
of years back, and they went through the whole big
thing about the fact that they reached an agreement where
he would plead guilty to murdering the four young people.
And it's not like he's some dunce. This is a
smart kid. He had a master's, he was going for
his PhD in criminology, so he should know everything about
the whole process in the court any case, he says
he wants to take back his plea. John Miller, former
NYPD guy, weighs in.
Speaker 7: The odds are like a snowballs chance in hell, and
there's a reason for that.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 7: Colberger is basically basing this motion on the idea that
he was misled, he was tricked, He didn't really understand
what was going on when he was talked into, as
he says, you know, pleading guilty. That is ridiculous. Let's
take a look at Brian Colberger. He is the admitted
and now convicted, calculating murderer of a number of young
people that he had no motive to kill, no reason
to kill, and whatever his reason was in the back
of his mind. Assuming that when he pled guilty, he
was telling the truth. We may never know, but we
do know this. He has an associate's degree, which led
to a bachelor's degree in psychology, which led to a
master's degree in criminal justice, which led to his candidacy
for a PhD, a doctorate in criminal justice, in which
over a number of years he studied every possible aspect
of the criminal mind, the criminal justice system, and criminology
from every angle. He was the teacher's aid in the
class at the time, right before the murder, So for
him to make the claim as if he's some guy
who wandered into a liquor store robbery gone wrong and
flyin flann by a fast talking detective that he didn't
know what was going on. He was represented by competent
counsel of his own choosing. These were very professional lawyers
who have experience in capital cases. It's going to be
really hard to convince a judge after going through all
of the questions that the judge asked, do you know
what you're doing, are you of sound mind? Did anybody
offer you anything? There's a long list of those questions
to which he has to say under oath that I
am pleading guilty of my own knowledge and volition, and
I think this is going to be a really tough sell.
Too little, too late.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. And Josh Ritter, who is a
defense lawyer, also has the same feeling.
Speaker 5: Well, you can, but we'll see how successful he'll be
with that.
Speaker 8: It's important, I think, to first understand that what he
is not doing here is appealing his conviction. He waived
his right to appeal, and so that's not possible. But
what he is attempting to do is withdraw his plea.
And withdrawing your plea, like waving any right, you have
to do so knowingly, willfully, and intelligently. And if he
can establish that none of those existed when he entered
his plea, then he might have a chance in convincing
a judge that he should be allowed to withdraw his plea.
But with that piece of tape that we showed earlier,
the judge was very thorough in taking his plea, and
it had him acknowledged that this was being done knowingly, willfully,
intelligently several times throughout the course of his plea, so
that he understood that he was entering into this plea
with eyes wide open. The idea of whether or not
he committed these crimes is not really the concern, even
though he admitted he was involved in this, But he
has to establish that somehow his attorneys either misled him
or lied to him about what the consequences were of
his plea, the fact that he would be going off
to prison for the rest of his life, and the
judge again put all of that on the record, making
I think a very thorough record that he willfully, knowingly
and intelligently waived his plea. So I think the chances
here of him actually being successful are very low.
Speaker 1: And the poor families that are involved this brings it
all back up again. They're trying to move on with
their lives. They'll never be able to completely move on.
They're going to have in their heart their children that
were killed, but they're going to be put through all
this again because this guy is a big narcissist and
that's part of it. Maybe he misses the publicity. He
was on everybody's television screen a year or so ago,
so Coburger is back in the news. Also speaking of crime,
Savannah Guthrie came out with another plea to the kidnapper
of her mother and changed her wording just a little bit.
Speaker 5: I thought I would play it for you here.
Speaker 9: I'm coming on today with the very specific message. It
has been months since our mom was taken from us.
Our family is in agony. We are in a nightmare
that will not end. Nothing about our situation has changed.
We have done our part. We will never stop looking
for her. The world can be a cruel and unforgiving place.
And I know that you have tried to do things
the right way. So I'm asking you, begging you to
do the right thing. Now, make the right choice. Help
us find her, Tell us where to look for her.
Speaker 1: The wording was was moved around a little bit, but
again she's trying to be nice to the kidnappers, saying,
you know, you know you want to do the right thing.
You've always tried to do the right thing. Help us
where to look for her. Back to Josh River.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's interesting.
Speaker 8: I think that what they've what she's essentially communicating, is
that we we've we've we've communicated in good faith.
Speaker 5: We've tried to follow through on what you've asked.
Speaker 8: It's funny I didn't when when first listening to it,
I did not take that away from it but that
could be the communication as well. I think some takeaways
you can make from this is one, I don't think
any of these communications that she's made like this have
been without some sort of law enforcement involvement, So I
think this is that the direction of law enforcement, likely
the FBI. I think the other thing is interesting is
that she's again speaking directly to either the people who
were directly involved in taking her mother or people who
have knowledge of about the circumstances of which her mother
was kidnapped. And the other thing is that this to me,
if you're making this type of a plea this many
weeks out, it shows that probably this is all that
they have left. If they're still trying to bank on
the idea that emotion might cause someone to change their mind,
that might be all that they have to work on.
Speaker 1: And by coming out with another tape, it keeps the
story alive, which is I'm sure what they want to do,
keep the hope alive, if you will, doctor Fauci, Tony Fauci,
Anthony Fauci, however you want to address him. He's going
to be testifying tomorrow, and I know Rand Paul, who
is a doctor, has been after him for five years
and they came up with somehow the diary of doctor Fauci. Now,
I don't know, maybe, I'm sure there's a number of
you people that have diaries. I have never had a
diary in my life, and I don't quite understand why
people do. But I know a lot of people do.
And well, okay, I'll even say it more clearly. I
remember in high school a bunch of teenage girls had diaries.
They were writing down everything about their lives, and their
lives were up and upheaval and everything else. I don't
know do adults have. Apparently so, and Fauci is no slouch,
highly educated guy. Well, in this diary, how rand Paul
got it, I'm not exactly sure, but he got the
diary and they went they went through with the fond
tooth coman. They found that a lot of the things
that he said in public, and they went back and
checked the recording of the date of various interviews, because
he was giving everybody interviews back then during COVID, that
he would go home in on those same exact dates
write down something that was totally different. In other words,
he didn't believe what he was telling you and me.
But he told himself in his diary some complete different
answer about it. It's pretty bizarre. Here's Ran Paul talking
about it.
Speaker 6: He already knew, and we've known this for a while
that other people knew, well, we didn't know. He actually
knew and was acknowledging that it didn't The earliest people
who got COVID were not associated with the marketplace. The
Chinese seat was saying this in January twenty twenty. He
knew it, he told dear diary. But to the public.
He commissioned this paper called Proximal Origins, and in it
they go on and on saying it. Tim blauswill that
it came from the lab. That level of dishonesty is
really astounding.
Speaker 1: Rand Paul has been going after bautcheting out for five years.
Jason Shavitz, who was in Congress at the time, also
is amazed at how a variety of answers that he
made to the public versus the ones he made to
his diary.
Speaker 4: Yeah, amen to that.
Speaker 10: I mean, this is the person who sat at the
top of his game for more than forty years.
Speaker 4: I think that's a problem.
Speaker 10: He walked around with such arrogance, but such knowledge and
background that rarely was he ever challenged in the audacity
that he would bring to this, and the cockiness was
just unparalleled.
Speaker 4: And the media fell right into this.
Speaker 10: I mean, the media was so culpable in every single way,
putting him on the cover of in Style magazine and
you know, making him a rock star and a superstar.
But what's just so disheartening is there are people that died,
and there are a lot of people who couldn't go
to the funeral of their loved ones. I think of,
you know, our former colleague Janis Dean and what she
went through with her family and all the lockdowns and
what this man was doing behind the scenes. It just
ends up looking like feeling like it was a total
complete lie and done for political reasons. And what Senator
ran Paul, a doctor himself, was questioning, did not get
straight answers. And so this hearing that's coming up is
going to be an explosive one. I think it's in danger.
It's perilous for the doctor. But you know what, he
very well may go into that hearing just plead the
fifth because he thinks he's sitting there with a proactive,
prophylactic pardon from Joe Biden. But I think there's legal
challenges given that it was done on an autopin.
Speaker 4: I think there's some parallel there. But it's just disgusting.
Speaker 10: Millions and millions of our young people were affected the
silly masks that everybody was wearing.
Speaker 4: It had a long term effect and it was wrong.
Speaker 1: And he talked about millions and millions of people that
were affected, our kids and so forth. It was because
of the fact that in his diary he said that
he recommended to the governor of New York and also
to the governor of California and others that they closed
their schools, and he also admitted that they should also close.
His recommendation was they should close restaurants and bars. So
he was all for closing down all these businesses. But
at the same time that he wrote that in his diary,
this is what he said on TV.
Speaker 4: I wonder if you would recommend locking down schools if
you had to do it all over again.
Speaker 11: Well, you know, again, first of all, I didn't recommend
locking anything down.
Speaker 4: You're asking me questions.
Speaker 6: You're talking about the CDC's the public Health agency uses
their epidemiologists and their science based approach to make recommendations.
Speaker 1: But he wrote in his diary he specifically gave names
the person in Governor Cuomo's office in New York and
also the person in Governor Newsom's office that he was
working with, so they would close schools and recommended also
restaurants and bars. And then when asked about it on TV,
I never said anything like that. Alex Berenson is a
former reporter for The New York Times who was all
over the COVID case.
Speaker 5: Here's what he has to say.
Speaker 12: Well, I mean, there's so much in this diary that
has come out. It's the arguments over where the virus
came from. There's evidence that Fauci thought very early on
that this was less dangerous than people than most people
thought publicly. But he didn't say that he encouraged shutdowns.
He encouraged very aggressive measures that moved actually not to
be necessary. And what I would say most of all
when you read the diary, and I've now read almost
the whole diary, is his ego is overwhelming. He talks
about how happy he is to be this important figure.
Speaker 5: He's an international celebrity.
Speaker 13: He says he's the most important person in the United States.
He says, he's obviously glorying in this, and you know, listen,
you saw some of that publicly, but he became far
too big for his bridges. He thought everyone in the
world should listen to him, and so it was in
his interest almost to make this epidemic seem worse than
it was. And it's painful to see this five years later,
six years later. It's also painful to realize that he
was spending so much time talking to Jake Tapper and
everyone else in the Washington Press Corps, that he was
not keeping up with the most most advanced science on COVID,
whether that was virology or epidemiology. And I mean, it's
an amazing things to realize that a handful of us
on Twitter were more accurate and more forward looking about
this than the most important medical advisor in the United States.
Because that guy was so in love with himself he
wasn't bothering to actually keep up with the science.
Speaker 4: It's really stunning.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you personally, we at the time I
was at Fox and we put a call in to
doctor Bauchie to have him on my television show No
Problem booked them. I mean, usually with big deals that
are kind of busy with things like COVID, they would
be hard to get, but he got. He was easy
to get. And then we turned around and I don't know,
a month or two later we booked him for the
radio show. He was easy to get because he was
more than happy. He was he was enthralled with being
a focus on the of the media. And so tomorrow
he's going to be grilled on this, and Jason Chavin
said that, you know, he has some peril.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Joe Biden gave him a total pardon for anything that
he did that would be criminal, So I'm not sure
they're going to be able to get him on that.
But in any case, it's important to know for history
just exactly what the truth is regarding COVID. All right,
Democrat socialist of America, what are we doing about him?
The one that's getting all the attentions right now is
the Michigan debate, which was last night and it will
be as on Fox two in Detroit, and then the
primary is next Tuesday, a week from today, and Lsied
is the one that's getting all the publicity. And he
says he's not a Democrat socialist, but he is jumping
on all of the Democrat socialist talking points.
Speaker 2: Huge.
Speaker 1: So here's a little bit from the debate last night
Fox two in Detroit.
Speaker 14: When you ask sixty million dollars to come into a
race for you and then say that's how you're electable,
I think you don't quite understand what electability means. If
you need a sixty million dollar crutch, you probably can't
be elected on your own term.
Speaker 15: So I know it's great to hold host rallies and
have these fun events, but everywhere I have gone in Michigan,
I have taken the time to visit a minority owned business.
Speaker 1: It's a debate between l si Ed and Hailey Stevens,
and he's accusing her of getting all this money from
outside sources, and she's just looking at what he's talking about.
One of the big Democrat political consultants in Michigan is
a guy by the name of Al Motour. This is
what his opinion is about it.
Speaker 16: When people show you who they are, believe them. He
basically said it would be ideal to hurt name harm
a sitting you as senator. He has campaigned with Hassan Piker,
who has stated that the democratic state of Israel is
worse than Hamas that is his friend. And so his
platitude is about more money for you and getting dollars
in your pockets. May sound nice, but he is a
dangerous person and that is why Democrats are rising up
and worried about his ascendancy. I would note also, what
business does he have talking about primary somebody in another
state when he hasn't even won a primary in his
own state. He lost the race for governor in twenty eighteen,
and yet he has already established a website to run
for president in twenty twenty eight.
Speaker 1: Well, he's already got his eyes on running for president
in twenty twenty eight and he hasn't. Yeah, he's got across. Well,
we'll see what happens. But he's mimicking everything. He's talking
exactly the same talking points as the Democrats, Socialist about
getting rid of the Senate, getting rid of the borders,
getting rid of the courts, getting rid of it go
down the list, crazy crazy, crazy stuff. So that guy
al Maltour is a big Democrat, a political consultant in Michigan.
I heard a guy earlier today who was a former
member of the Democrats Socialists of America, and he brought
up a very interesting point about the fact that a
lot of what they say they want to do used
to be done by charitable organizations or churches.
Speaker 17: Listen to this, so it's offering many of the things
that say, your church and your community would have offered.
Of course, you know, I think it's a poor substitute,
but it is feeling sort of a social function that
you would have found in other institutions, arguably better institutions
just a generation ago.
Speaker 1: I thought that was fascinating because especially here in New
York where Ma'm Donnie is trying to do all these
things that used to be done by charitable organizations, churches,
you name it, the Red Cross, whatever, organizations that reached
out and helped people, and now the Democrat Socialists of
America want to own that and do their own reaching
out to help people with their own beliefs. Ram Emmanuel
has really his star has risen because of the fact
that the Democratic Socialists of America, including Bernie, are pointing
at him as he's the wrong kind of democrat. He's
an establishment Democrat and he doesn't like it. And we'll
see who wins.
Speaker 11: The DSA, and that agendas laid out does not play
anywhere except for maybe on the Upper West Side of Manhattan.
And anytime a Democrat anywhere in a red to blue
district has to either distinguish themselves rather than prosecute that
the Republican would be a rubber stamp for Donald Trump.
Is a dollar wasted allowing us to not only get
a majority, but more importantly, to them pass finally after
twenty years, I mean them wage increase.
Speaker 1: So the rob wants to do typical Democrat big government programs.
He's saying, these people are going to get in the
way of the establishment Democrat winning Foz Shakir, he was
the top spokesman for Bernie Sanders when one of his campaigns,
and he's still out there promoting the Democrat socialist agenda.
Speaker 18: Well, he's the You know, when you look at some
of the Democrats, like in Ram and Manuel, they used
to castigate the America First MAGA movement by looking at
some proud boys or oathkeepers or turning point USA person
and saying, hey, there, that person speaks for Donald Trump
in the entire movement. It was wrong then, and now
he's trying to castigate the entire movement around Bernie Sanders,
AOC and Mayor Mamdani wrongly.
Speaker 4: When you look at the people.
Speaker 18: Who are in this movement, they're saying, you know, it's
a tough life right now to live and I want
people fighting for Medicare for all, universal healthcare. I want
to tax the rich. I want to regulate data centers
in America. And they're derided as communists or commedis a
boy this channel and others, And it's wrong that people
are fighting for a different vision in this country, one
in which we take on oligarchy and the rule over
money in big politics. That's what's going on right now,
big money ruling politics. Somebody's got to take it on.
Speaker 1: So let me get this straight. So what he's saying
is that if you elect the Democrat Socialists of America,
the big money will no longer have any power in politics.
Oh my gosh, how naive is this guy. Big money
is always going to be with whoever has the power.
If they win offices, they're going to have big money
stepping in to give them money and they're going to
take it. Oh, some of them will pretend that they're
not going to. But the fact that you vote vote
for me, he is the Democrat social of America and
we'll get the big money out of politics. Sorry, that's
not even close to reality. Melissa de Roser, who was
chief of staff for Governor Andrew Cuomo back in the day,
she's a big Democrat. She was asked, well, well, you
keep saying you're the big tent Democrat. Don't you want
the Democrat Socialist of America in your tent.
Speaker 19: No, I don't think the DSA belongs in the big
tent because it's not just about some utopia that they're
spewing that's not actually based in reality. You can't ignore
the other parts of their platform that are quite frankly dangerous.
Abolished prisons, abolished borders, abolish the police, abolish ice. And
so I think that they are an albatross around the
Democratic Party's neck and we've got to do a better
job of putting forth an affirmative agenda that connects with
the American people. But we cannot be bogged down by
this or else we're going to be wandering the wilderness
for a very long time.
Speaker 1: Well, we'll see how this turns out again. Next Tuesday
is the big primary in Michigan, and that's where El
Sayed is going up against Hailey Stevens to represent the
Democrats in their Senate race from Michigan Wall Street today,
Let's take a look at that nothing but green arrows
for the Dow today. Dow Jones industrials started off positive
and finished up five hundred and thirty seven now at
fifty two thousand and seven forty seven. The SMP didn't participate,
it was up fifteen and the tech stocks are still
selling off, down fifty five today on the Nasdaq, so
it wasn't a big drop. Gold fell forty eight dollars
down to fourenty twenty eight, and oil look at this,
down three dollars and fifty cents below eighties. First time
I've seen is seven for quite a long time. Seventy
nine dollars for one barrel of West Texas intermediate crude oil.
So that's it for today. Thank you for coming by.
We will be back tomorrow. I hope to see you then.