1 00:00:00,280 --> 00:00:01,800 Speaker 1: ESPN the ban app for free. 2 00:00:01,840 --> 00:00:05,000 Speaker 2: Today you're listening to Cougar Sports on ko v O 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,599 probo k U d d H D two one O 4 00:00:07,719 --> 00:00:12,119 three nine at ninety eight three ESPN The band. It's 5 00:00:12,199 --> 00:00:15,400 time to celebrate the previous team sport known to man, 6 00:00:15,679 --> 00:00:18,960 where modern day gladiators collide for all the glory on 7 00:00:19,079 --> 00:00:22,879 the Gridie, let's talk some college football lot Cougar Sports 8 00:00:22,920 --> 00:00:24,239 with Ben Crittle. 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:26,559 Speaker 1: And welcome back to Peter Sports here one of three 10 00:00:26,640 --> 00:00:29,440 nine ninety eighty three ESPN. A fan Ronald the three 11 00:00:29,519 --> 00:00:31,559 man Weaver here, Brett always bringing the hammer by my 12 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:35,759 side doing double duty today. Help has been critical is out. 13 00:00:36,119 --> 00:00:39,520 He'll be back tomorrow producing and hosting. You know, sometimes 14 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:41,719 you got to step up to the plate and do 15 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,159 both things. So you know, sometimes you have to get 16 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:46,799 towards the double team, you know, and you you have 17 00:00:46,840 --> 00:00:48,240 to trap, you have to steal the ball, you have 18 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:50,200 to do all of it. But that's a skill sets 19 00:00:50,200 --> 00:00:52,200 that you bring here, Brett. Appreciate Brett showing up and 20 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:54,320 showing out forgot to mention Vic Cram on the data 21 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,159 aggregation as well. Appreciate Vick. I've had a great show. 22 00:00:57,200 --> 00:00:59,280 Let's farget into the third hour. Here, it's a beautiful 23 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:02,880 day here in Utah. The wind is blowing out. It 24 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:04,799 was a beautiful day in Chicago. To the guy on 25 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:06,959 the line, he would actually be upset with me. He'd 26 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,879 probably would be upset that I went back to Chicago 27 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:11,040 and then at least let him know and say hi, 28 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:13,079 I apologize for that. It was a quick trip, but 29 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:15,239 I will be back in September, so I'll definitely make 30 00:01:15,280 --> 00:01:19,040 some time to see him. Then this college football segment, 31 00:01:19,040 --> 00:01:22,359 we're gonna discuss some college basketball too. Gotta discuss Miami Ohio, 32 00:01:22,480 --> 00:01:24,599 b Yu, Duck and Smoke. Who's ducking Smoke? No one 33 00:01:24,640 --> 00:01:26,680 wants to play in Miami Ohio and these you know, 34 00:01:26,879 --> 00:01:30,120 these mid majors all this conversation. I like guys that 35 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:33,560 have receipts, and this guy has receipts. This college football 36 00:01:33,599 --> 00:01:35,120 segment going to be brought to you by Dental Pros 37 00:01:35,159 --> 00:01:37,040 of Utah dot Com. I know a lot of you 38 00:01:37,079 --> 00:01:39,120 are looking for a new dentist, and that's why you 39 00:01:39,159 --> 00:01:41,079 have to give Dental Pros a try. They have the 40 00:01:41,799 --> 00:01:44,480 biomagmatic dentistry that can rebuild your teeth layered by layers. 41 00:01:44,519 --> 00:01:46,519 You don't have to settle for fake teeth in life. 42 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:48,719 No one wants fake teeth. Stop going to the local 43 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:50,480 Ward Mormon than just you're not getting the tied in 44 00:01:50,560 --> 00:01:53,239 discount even if you pay eleven percent like myself, go 45 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,719 to Dental prosdnal proso Utah dot com without further dud. 46 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,719 Let's get out to the ESPN the Fan hotline and 47 00:01:57,760 --> 00:01:59,920 welcome in Matt Brown of Extra Points and b. 48 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:03,079 Speaker 3: How are we doing today, Matt Hey, it's great to 49 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:04,959 be here. I'm sorry i missed you too, but I've 50 00:02:05,000 --> 00:02:06,799 been I've been laid up with the coldies past couple 51 00:02:06,840 --> 00:02:08,840 of days. Then okay, we'll have to get some Uh, 52 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:10,639 we'll have to get some ginger ales. Next time you're 53 00:02:10,680 --> 00:02:12,199 in town in September. 54 00:02:12,439 --> 00:02:14,960 Speaker 1: Definitely gotta gotta have you meet the little one and 55 00:02:14,960 --> 00:02:17,120 gotta gotta take her to all of the Italian beef 56 00:02:17,360 --> 00:02:20,400 in Chicago dog spots. Uh, for sure, definitely once I 57 00:02:20,479 --> 00:02:22,199 once I get back home again. I love Chicago. 58 00:02:22,879 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's you know, it's it's not for everybody, 59 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,439 but it's for us. It is just I lived, I 60 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,520 lived all over the country and there's some beautiful things everywhere, 61 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:32,080 but this really is my favorite place. 62 00:02:32,240 --> 00:02:33,919 Speaker 1: Look, I'll ask Brett because he's on the line as well. 63 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:36,080 Bret's lived in Georgia and Pennsylvania. Bread, I'm pretty sure 64 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:37,719 you could do the Chicago too, or no. 65 00:02:38,240 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 4: I've never I've never actually been to Chicago. 66 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:42,639 Speaker 5: But I'll tell you the cities that I love and 67 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:44,520 then maybe you guys can infer whether or not I 68 00:02:44,520 --> 00:02:45,280 would like Chicago. 69 00:02:45,360 --> 00:02:46,240 Speaker 4: I assume that I will. 70 00:02:46,319 --> 00:02:48,400 Speaker 5: It seems like, I mean, every time I see shots 71 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:49,759 of it, when am I I'm watching a couple of 72 00:02:49,759 --> 00:02:52,280 shows that take place in Chicago right now. Obviously, I 73 00:02:52,319 --> 00:02:55,120 love Atlanta, I love DC, I love New York City, 74 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:57,719 and I love the East. I'm I'm an East Coast guy, 75 00:02:57,759 --> 00:02:59,759 and I know, I know Chicago is not on the 76 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:02,199 but like it's it's closer to the East than it 77 00:03:02,240 --> 00:03:04,360 is to the West. So I feel like I would 78 00:03:04,439 --> 00:03:08,240 like Chicago. Plus, I've watched I'm watching The Bear. That 79 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:09,599 one is a big Chicago show. 80 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:10,800 Speaker 1: Chicago show. 81 00:03:10,879 --> 00:03:11,319 Speaker 4: I need. 82 00:03:11,439 --> 00:03:14,199 Speaker 5: I need the beef, dude, I need an Italian beef sandwich. 83 00:03:14,199 --> 00:03:16,560 So I I need to get out to Chicago. I 84 00:03:16,560 --> 00:03:18,479 have not been out there yet, but it is it 85 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:19,680 is on the list for sure. 86 00:03:20,159 --> 00:03:20,879 Speaker 1: You definitely. 87 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: I welcome everybody who can listen to this show to 88 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:30,199 come visit. Do you know the the epitome of terrific 89 00:03:30,479 --> 00:03:35,479 in case meats at Jay Dogs. We have a place 90 00:03:35,479 --> 00:03:37,759 that's as good as Jay Dogs every eight blocks here 91 00:03:37,759 --> 00:03:39,840 and it's gonna be run by a ninety year old 92 00:03:39,879 --> 00:03:41,560 Polish person who's going to be delicious. 93 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:42,120 Speaker 4: Let's go. 94 00:03:42,719 --> 00:03:44,719 Speaker 3: Just just just don't come in February. 95 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, don't, don't do that. Don't That's why I came 96 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:49,520 in March, Matt, you know, don't come at least I 97 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,759 got some seun sign and it wasn't a too bumpy 98 00:03:51,759 --> 00:03:55,039 on my way out, Matt. Just get caught before we 99 00:03:55,039 --> 00:03:57,439 get into the Minutia. Just give us update. How is 100 00:03:57,479 --> 00:04:00,599 the family doing any trips lined up for the summertime? 101 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,479 Speaker 3: No, you know it's actually I'm going to be in 102 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:08,479 your neck of the woods this summer because you know, 103 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:11,560 I'm married into a Utah family, and as Utah families do, 104 00:04:11,599 --> 00:04:14,280 they have family reunions. So think I'm going to this 105 00:04:14,479 --> 00:04:15,159 Is it bear Lake? 106 00:04:15,280 --> 00:04:16,639 Speaker 1: Great bear Lake? 107 00:04:18,079 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 3: Yes? So yeah, I'll come in and maybe maybe maybe 108 00:04:22,319 --> 00:04:24,560 help with some hosting duties when I come in late 109 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,560 later in June and then we're trying to figure out, 110 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:28,920 all right, where do you want to do? Where do 111 00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:33,000 we want to do traveling for campus visits and and 112 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,000 and for reporting in April and uh in May. I've 113 00:04:36,000 --> 00:04:37,600 tried to stay off the road as much as I 114 00:04:37,639 --> 00:04:40,319 could for February and March after being really busy for 115 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:43,079 a while. But we'll uh partly do a couple of 116 00:04:43,079 --> 00:04:45,680 college baseball and college softball stories and get get find 117 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,160 an excuse for me to go someplace warm for a 118 00:04:48,199 --> 00:04:49,959 little bit and write it off for tax purposes. 119 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:52,839 Speaker 1: So you know, Southern myth hitting me up, a Southern 120 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:54,319 miss hit them up. You heard it for sure. Let's 121 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:57,240 get right into it. Let's start with the basketball, and 122 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:59,079 then we can in with some football discussion if we 123 00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:01,680 have time. If you are a man of receipts. Miami 124 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:04,120 Ohio that's been the biggest topic everything that I've seen. Right, 125 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,639 No one wants to schedule to play the Miami Ohios. 126 00:05:07,639 --> 00:05:09,360 The high points and then they beat him in the tournament, 127 00:05:09,519 --> 00:05:11,279 and then you got coaches sounding off. And I can't 128 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:13,519 fault these coaches right now. I understand if they were 129 00:05:13,519 --> 00:05:15,279 playing in the Big Twelve Conference and maybe they get 130 00:05:15,319 --> 00:05:18,040 boat steam, but no one wants to play these guys 131 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:20,519 and they need it for their resume, but they're getting 132 00:05:20,600 --> 00:05:23,480 left out. And I was very impressed with the work 133 00:05:23,519 --> 00:05:25,519 that you did. Miami of Ohio contact to like I 134 00:05:25,560 --> 00:05:28,920 think with twelve people, and no one got back to them, 135 00:05:28,920 --> 00:05:31,399 maybe even BYU. What will give us the update on 136 00:05:32,040 --> 00:05:32,759 how that went down. 137 00:05:33,600 --> 00:05:35,879 Speaker 3: Yeah. So the way that it just works right is 138 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:38,319 that if you're trying, if you're an assistant coach, if 139 00:05:38,319 --> 00:05:41,959 you're a dobo an operations guy for a basketball team, 140 00:05:41,959 --> 00:05:43,839 you're usually the one that's doing the leg work to 141 00:05:43,879 --> 00:05:46,519 build a schedule rather than like the athletic director or 142 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,399 sometimes the head coach. And you can do this from 143 00:05:49,639 --> 00:05:51,920 hitting up your buddies from places where you used to coach. 144 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,000 There's a lot of these games getting set up because 145 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:58,079 people have personal relations of relationships. There's there's a website 146 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:02,120 called winad that many big time programs used and they'll post, hey, 147 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:04,319 I need to buy game on this date. You know 148 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:07,240 low major's, mid majors con hit me up. But beyond that, 149 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:09,680 you know people will send just good fashion emails and 150 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:13,000 good old fashion emails. At public institutions like Miami are 151 00:06:13,079 --> 00:06:16,000 subject to open records requests. So I reached out to 152 00:06:16,040 --> 00:06:18,439 the I file all the paperwork and sending a request 153 00:06:18,439 --> 00:06:20,800 to go get all the schools that Miami had tried 154 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,360 to schedule over like a just just a four month window. 155 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,480 So that means it doesn't have anybody that they hit 156 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,000 up on win AD, anybody that hit up over the phone, 157 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:29,959 anybody that they hit up at you know, a at 158 00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:31,800 a conference or anything. And we came back with that 159 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:35,560 I want to say nineteen schools BYU was one of those. 160 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,240 So it was Utah BYU if I remember correctly, because 161 00:06:39,240 --> 00:06:40,959 I don't have it up in front of my my 162 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,680 monitor right now, but if I remember correctly, they said like, hey, 163 00:06:44,439 --> 00:06:47,759 we don't have a date open. At that point, Miami 164 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:50,000 was playing a road game at the beginning of the 165 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:52,600 season at air Force, and they wanted to play a 166 00:06:52,680 --> 00:06:56,439 major conference Western team, you know, a couple of days 167 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:58,519 before after, you know, because if they're gonna fly out 168 00:06:58,519 --> 00:07:00,560 West anyway, they want to get bought, get the eighty 169 00:07:00,639 --> 00:07:02,720 ninety thousand dollars, you know, come back. So they hit 170 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:04,920 up a bunch of Western teams and BYU just it 171 00:07:04,959 --> 00:07:08,399 wasn't you're too good, it was we already have some 172 00:07:08,439 --> 00:07:10,920 of these games scheduled. We're not available on the dates 173 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,839 that you need us. But there were certainly teams that said, 174 00:07:12,839 --> 00:07:15,079 we want to play, you're too good. We'd rather go 175 00:07:15,120 --> 00:07:18,560 play somebody who's in the RPI two fifty to seventy 176 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,000 five three hundred, And like you kind of said before 177 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:22,959 you brought me on, I don't fault the coaches for that, 178 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,839 because there's not really a net, you know, any any 179 00:07:26,879 --> 00:07:31,399 team benefit from beating somebody who's in the RPI one 180 00:07:31,519 --> 00:07:33,800 twenty one thirty one fifty, like a really good mid 181 00:07:33,839 --> 00:07:36,560 major team, especially if you're in league like the Big Twelve, 182 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:39,439 where you're going to have so many really difficult games 183 00:07:39,439 --> 00:07:41,879 over the course of the entire season, and until you 184 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:45,399 change or make changes to the metric that determines who 185 00:07:45,439 --> 00:07:48,399 gets in the tournament who doesn't everybody, Like if I'm BYU, 186 00:07:48,959 --> 00:07:51,560 I think the incentives pretty clear, right. You should schedule 187 00:07:52,199 --> 00:07:55,600 you know, two or three big games, probably at neutral sites, 188 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:58,680 and then you should make every single home game as 189 00:07:58,759 --> 00:08:01,240 as crappy as possible because you're going to have to 190 00:08:01,279 --> 00:08:06,040 play sixteen quad one games during conference seasons. That's kind 191 00:08:06,040 --> 00:08:08,000 of where the incentives are set up right now. 192 00:08:09,199 --> 00:08:11,959 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's definitely where the incentives are set up. And 193 00:08:14,079 --> 00:08:15,720 do you see this changing at all in the next 194 00:08:15,759 --> 00:08:18,720 you know, you know, three four years. I don't think 195 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:22,000 you can say two. But this is an issue. I 196 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:24,600 think UVU was having the same issue. You know, the 197 00:08:24,600 --> 00:08:27,000 school down the road from YU and those who do 198 00:08:27,000 --> 00:08:29,240 the morning should like, you can't get anybody to schedule us, 199 00:08:29,240 --> 00:08:31,199 and I mean them going to the Big West might help, 200 00:08:31,399 --> 00:08:33,399 I think will help a little bit. But this is 201 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:36,919 a problem in college athletics, with basketball specifically, obviously football 202 00:08:36,919 --> 00:08:39,080 two degree as well. But does this change in the 203 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:40,080 next five years. 204 00:08:41,159 --> 00:08:44,919 Speaker 3: I think it's a problem in almost every sports. It's 205 00:08:44,960 --> 00:08:47,360 more visible in basketball because you have to play more 206 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,639 of these games and we have a little bit better 207 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,440 data about who's good and who isn't and and what 208 00:08:52,480 --> 00:08:55,240 the guarantees are. But certainly it's an issue for UVU, 209 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,240 it's an issue for Weber, it's an issue for Grand Canyon, 210 00:08:58,399 --> 00:09:00,720 It's an issue for schools in the MAC or on 211 00:09:00,759 --> 00:09:03,399 the horizon. It's a little bit different in the East, 212 00:09:03,639 --> 00:09:08,000 where you can potentially bust to forty different institutions. You 213 00:09:08,039 --> 00:09:09,840 can't really do that in the inter Mountain West or 214 00:09:09,919 --> 00:09:11,399 in a lot of the Western States, and I don't 215 00:09:11,440 --> 00:09:15,480 think there is an obvious solution. The NET was created 216 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,639 in part to playcate the Power four conferences or the 217 00:09:19,639 --> 00:09:21,120 F four plus the Big East, if you want to 218 00:09:21,159 --> 00:09:24,200 throw them in here for basketball purposes. And when you're 219 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,639 in a political environment where the Big Ten in the 220 00:09:26,720 --> 00:09:29,879 SEC are kind of throwing tempartensions about wanting even more 221 00:09:29,919 --> 00:09:33,200 access to championships, even more power, even more money. The 222 00:09:33,279 --> 00:09:35,519 last thing that's going to get through the NCAA Basketball 223 00:09:35,519 --> 00:09:37,600 Committee is going to be changes to some of these 224 00:09:37,639 --> 00:09:40,399 metrics that might help schools in the A ten or 225 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:45,080 the Missouri Valley. I would love to interview more quants 226 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,960 and coaches and scheduling consultants and folks that think they 227 00:09:50,000 --> 00:09:52,799 have a formula to build a better mouse trap that 228 00:09:52,919 --> 00:09:58,840 is more Ken Pomroy's I think area of expertise than mine. 229 00:09:58,879 --> 00:10:00,840 But I from what I know right now, I don't 230 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:02,519 think there's an easy way to do it unless you 231 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:06,960 force people to And I can't imagine at any conference 232 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:10,000 commissioner or the NCUBLE itself forcing anybody to do it. 233 00:10:11,000 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 5: Matt, I want to talk about the three most dangerous 234 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:17,080 letters in all of sports. Nil So I saw you 235 00:10:17,120 --> 00:10:20,120 at an interesting tweet I and correct me if I'm wrong. 236 00:10:20,159 --> 00:10:21,720 I think it was a last week or the week 237 00:10:21,759 --> 00:10:24,120 before where you would put out like the top ten 238 00:10:24,159 --> 00:10:25,960 schools per operating costs? 239 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 4: Does that sound right? 240 00:10:26,919 --> 00:10:29,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh yeah, yeah, I did this. I did that. 241 00:10:29,399 --> 00:10:31,960 I ranked all like two hundred and twenty of them, right. 242 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 5: And I thought that a couple of publications or a 243 00:10:35,039 --> 00:10:37,720 couple of I guess big guys on X took that 244 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:41,559 and said these are the top NIL budgets per school. 245 00:10:42,039 --> 00:10:44,679 I would love for you to explain to us and 246 00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:48,240 to our listeners what's there is clearly a massive difference. 247 00:10:48,279 --> 00:10:49,919 Speaker 4: I think a lot of people don't understand. 248 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:53,519 Speaker 5: So can you explain the difference between the operating budget 249 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:55,200 and the NIL I. 250 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,120 Speaker 3: Would be happy to And you're right, there is a 251 00:10:57,200 --> 00:11:00,360 huge difference. What happens right now is that every buddy 252 00:11:00,360 --> 00:11:02,679 in Division one and Division two, whether you're a public 253 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,120 school or a private school, has to file an itemized 254 00:11:06,200 --> 00:11:09,639 budget report with the NC DOUBLEA every January. If you're 255 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:11,879 a private school like BYU, the only people that ever 256 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,480 get to see it are BYU pple use accountants and 257 00:11:14,519 --> 00:11:18,639 the NC DOUBLEA. But if you're a public institution, that 258 00:11:18,720 --> 00:11:21,759 document is the subject to open records requests and lots 259 00:11:21,840 --> 00:11:25,679 and lots of reporters. You'll get it. Every year. I 260 00:11:25,799 --> 00:11:29,159 file for every single school in Division one and Division two, 261 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:31,879 as does USA today, as does the Athletic and the 262 00:11:31,919 --> 00:11:34,440 Chronicle of Higher Education and a handful of places, so 263 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,919 we all get these budget docs, and those documents break 264 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:41,240 down the revenues and expenses for every athletic department, and 265 00:11:41,279 --> 00:11:44,320 they're itemized by sport. So you can look down there 266 00:11:44,360 --> 00:11:46,399 and it's like on page eighty seven of every report 267 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,679 or whatever, that will tell you total operating expenses for 268 00:11:50,279 --> 00:11:53,759 every sport, including men's basketball. And that figure includes all 269 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:56,919 the money that a school spent on coaching salaries, all 270 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,919 the money that it's spent on administrative salaries to support 271 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:03,559 that sport, all the money it's spent on travel, on food, 272 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:10,399 on software, on recruiting expenses, everything but player payroll. Now 273 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,960 that might change next year, but like for for this year, 274 00:12:13,159 --> 00:12:15,799 there were the budget reports to go by fiscal years 275 00:12:16,519 --> 00:12:19,720 rather than calendar years. So the most recent data anybody 276 00:12:19,799 --> 00:12:24,480 has is from the June thirtieth of July first, like 277 00:12:24,600 --> 00:12:27,519 right before the House settlement kicks in. So there's the 278 00:12:28,240 --> 00:12:30,399 we don't have the data in these reports from what 279 00:12:30,480 --> 00:12:33,159 school's spent directly for revenue sharing, and if people are 280 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:36,519 getting paid through We're collective, or through PEPSI or through 281 00:12:36,519 --> 00:12:39,919 some marketing agency or through donor bag, then it doesn't 282 00:12:39,919 --> 00:12:42,360 show up on their important So I can tell people, 283 00:12:42,399 --> 00:12:44,399 and that's what I publish, like, here's the report. Here's 284 00:12:44,399 --> 00:12:46,320 the data that I have, which is what people spend 285 00:12:46,399 --> 00:12:49,600 on everything else, and everything else is important in operating 286 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,639 a sport. It determines how much, how many, how many 287 00:12:51,639 --> 00:12:53,919 home games you could buy, how many staffers you can have, 288 00:12:54,440 --> 00:12:58,240 whether your athletes are getting you know, good protein after 289 00:12:58,279 --> 00:13:00,840 workouts or if they're they're they're bump Muney milkoff, you know, 290 00:13:00,879 --> 00:13:03,039 from seven to eleven on the way home. All of 291 00:13:03,039 --> 00:13:06,320 that stuff matters. But I can't tell you how much 292 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:09,159 a school is paying their shooting guard or their basketball 293 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,440 team in general, because the school's lawyers all across the 294 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,559 country are saying, we don't have to share that. And 295 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:17,240 what happens on Twitter, and I think, and what happens 296 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:20,039 with agents and with some coaches is they're so desperate 297 00:13:20,080 --> 00:13:22,799 for that information that they'll make it up or they'll 298 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:24,879 just lash to any number that they can possibly find 299 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:27,480 and say that's the payroll. And that's frustrating for me 300 00:13:27,519 --> 00:13:29,639 as a reporter, and I think for anybody that has 301 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:30,639 to operate in this space. 302 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so frustrating. It's so annoying. 303 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,919 Speaker 5: Because we were talking about Jason McIntyre, he was hosting 304 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:39,720 The Herd. We were talking about a clip from him 305 00:13:39,720 --> 00:13:41,799 where he's like, well, bo, he's paying AJ's five to 306 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:44,360 seven million dollars And I'm with you, Matt, like, it's 307 00:13:44,360 --> 00:13:47,320 it's so frustrating. It doesn't matter to me how much 308 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:49,360 BYU did or didn't pay a j de BoNT. I 309 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,519 think the bigger issue is that it's like it's almost 310 00:13:52,519 --> 00:13:56,480 like a reporter integrity issue where you have fan duel tweeting, Oh, 311 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:58,720 here's the top ten teams who are bounced from the 312 00:13:58,759 --> 00:13:59,960 tournament and how much they're spending. 313 00:14:00,399 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 4: We don't know that number. And I don't know. 314 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:06,960 Speaker 5: If that's just because to your point, like maybe some 315 00:14:07,000 --> 00:14:10,440 of these people think that operating budget and NIOL budget 316 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,440 is one and the same, or maybe they're reporting given 317 00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:15,799 off of what agents give them, Like do you think 318 00:14:15,840 --> 00:14:19,039 there's a world where we will ever live in and 319 00:14:19,279 --> 00:14:23,159 know I don't know if like salary cap of each 320 00:14:23,200 --> 00:14:24,600 school is the way to look at it, but like 321 00:14:25,039 --> 00:14:27,360 it is really frustrating as someone who works in this 322 00:14:27,399 --> 00:14:30,759 space also to see these numbers being put out when 323 00:14:30,759 --> 00:14:32,720 you know that there's just no way that they can 324 00:14:32,759 --> 00:14:33,399 be accurate. 325 00:14:34,480 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's I think personally, I think that the 326 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,360 fact that nobody knows actually hurts almost everybody except a 327 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:45,919 handful of agents. Right if you're a member of BYU 328 00:14:46,039 --> 00:14:49,240 or Utah's coaching staff and an agent of a transfer 329 00:14:49,279 --> 00:14:51,879 comes back and says, hey, the number for me is 330 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:54,759 one point eight million, and you know what everybody else 331 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,320 is recruiting that guy's is spending for their budget, and 332 00:14:57,360 --> 00:14:58,919 you know what the salary cap is, and you know 333 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:01,720 there's no way, but that's pot then you're going to 334 00:15:01,759 --> 00:15:05,519 have a more informed, better conversation with that player. Or 335 00:15:05,639 --> 00:15:07,720 for a coach who goes through ad and says, oh 336 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,279 my god, we're in the bottom of fifteen percent of 337 00:15:10,279 --> 00:15:13,120 our conference. I can't possibly you have enough money here 338 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:14,799 to be effective. We need to go change some things. 339 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:18,039 These are all things that operators need to know, and 340 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,360 we know this in the NBA or the NFL or 341 00:15:20,399 --> 00:15:23,559 Major League baseball, because we have a collective bargaining agreement 342 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:28,039 that requires this information to be public, and we don't 343 00:15:28,039 --> 00:15:30,639 have that in college sports. We might have that someday, 344 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:34,799 whether that comes through Congress, whether that comes through increased 345 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,279 organizing and activism efforts from the athletes themselves, but we 346 00:15:39,519 --> 00:15:42,919 don't have that right now. And across the country, red state, 347 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:47,320 blue state, you know, urban campus, rural campus, schools are 348 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:50,879 fighting truth and nail for public records exemptions to disclose 349 00:15:50,919 --> 00:15:53,639 any of this kind of information. You know, I've asked 350 00:15:54,399 --> 00:15:56,639 over well over one hundred schools, like, don't tell me 351 00:15:56,679 --> 00:15:58,519 how much you're paying for shooting guard. I don't want 352 00:15:58,559 --> 00:16:01,759 any personal identifying information. I just want to know how 353 00:16:01,799 --> 00:16:05,440 many how many checks your department wrote to athletes during 354 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:07,240 this time period, right, or break it down for me 355 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:10,799 by sport, like you would for any other vendor that 356 00:16:10,879 --> 00:16:13,120 you would for your your public athletic department. And then 357 00:16:13,279 --> 00:16:14,919 and they'll come back and they'll say no, And I 358 00:16:14,919 --> 00:16:17,559 don't have enough money to sue everybody for this, right, 359 00:16:17,600 --> 00:16:19,279 and you know I need a lot more you people 360 00:16:19,320 --> 00:16:21,879 listening to pay nine dollars for a premium subscription before 361 00:16:21,879 --> 00:16:26,320 I can go off and sue everybody. We can't do that. 362 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,519 So that's why, and and that's true for most newspapers, 363 00:16:28,519 --> 00:16:31,159 which is why it doesn't happen. And I think, I think, 364 00:16:31,200 --> 00:16:33,600 I think that is frustrating. I'm sure some of it 365 00:16:33,639 --> 00:16:35,919 is ignorance, right, because who wants to talk about accounting 366 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:38,960 when they want to talk about sports? But I think, 367 00:16:39,200 --> 00:16:43,360 particularly on Twitter, there's an algorithmic incentive to share the 368 00:16:43,399 --> 00:16:46,480 most outlandish stuff, whether it's about sports or gambling, or 369 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:50,519 weather or politics or anything else, and that's that's what 370 00:16:50,639 --> 00:16:53,720 catches on fire. I don't write click baity things, right. 371 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:55,840 People who've been following me and know me for a 372 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:59,759 while know I usually write really nerdy stuff. So if 373 00:16:59,799 --> 00:17:02,200 some thing you know blows up on Twitter, there's there's 374 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:04,400 a decent chance that's being misinterpreted somewhere. 375 00:17:05,319 --> 00:17:07,839 Speaker 5: Does it surprise you? And maybe it doesn't in the 376 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:09,599 world we live in in twenty twenty six, but like, 377 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:13,559 I'm surprised when I see a reputable account like FanDuel 378 00:17:13,559 --> 00:17:15,839 putting out this list of like these are the top 379 00:17:15,880 --> 00:17:18,640 spenders in March Mandis, Like, does it surprise you when 380 00:17:18,759 --> 00:17:21,920 these companies and these reputable sources who clearly could not 381 00:17:22,039 --> 00:17:25,440 have gotten the information, are putting out numbers and they're 382 00:17:25,440 --> 00:17:27,480 not even citing where they got it from. This may 383 00:17:27,480 --> 00:17:29,920 be more of a conversation on like journalism that fans 384 00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:32,000 don't really want to hear about. But I just I 385 00:17:32,079 --> 00:17:36,319 find this conversation about inaccurate NIL reporting to be so 386 00:17:36,559 --> 00:17:39,119 fascinating because of everything you just said. We don't have 387 00:17:39,160 --> 00:17:41,960 a collective bargaining agreement. I'd love to know, like what 388 00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:44,200 that would even require for us to get that. 389 00:17:45,599 --> 00:17:48,440 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I think where I gently pushed back first 390 00:17:48,799 --> 00:17:51,400 is about the idea of FanDuel being some kind of 391 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,359 reputable source. It's a gambling company like Sandel doesn't have reporters. 392 00:17:55,759 --> 00:17:58,359 Sandel doesn't have doesn't have editors. Fandel. The only thing 393 00:17:58,400 --> 00:18:01,279 Shandel cares about is more people gambling on Sanduel, and 394 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:03,880 the same thing for draft Kings, and the same thing 395 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,680 for these gajillion influencer accounts that are left to specifically 396 00:18:08,279 --> 00:18:14,240 juice the engagement numbers for online gambling. And I'm saying 397 00:18:14,319 --> 00:18:16,279 this on the air in this market right like I 398 00:18:16,519 --> 00:18:18,480 can go back and think of, you know, maybe not. 399 00:18:18,559 --> 00:18:21,599 Everything I picked up from my church experience is something 400 00:18:21,640 --> 00:18:23,319 I want to keep with me as an adult. But boy, 401 00:18:23,319 --> 00:18:26,000 howdy think they nailed it about gambling, right. 402 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:26,559 Speaker 5: He. 403 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 3: Gives like to say, sure, I will, I will, I 404 00:18:32,039 --> 00:18:34,279 will give all Gordo Hinckley his fist props here. He 405 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,480 was right and we didn't see it coming and he 406 00:18:36,559 --> 00:18:39,559 was right, and so like, I definitely looked at that 407 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:44,079 industry as having some insidious, you know, negative impacts on 408 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,759 how we talk about sports generally. Right, you know, check 409 00:18:46,759 --> 00:18:48,720 out brother, you know brother, Brother Coppin's story in the 410 00:18:48,799 --> 00:18:50,640 in the Atlantic was excellent and talks about a lot 411 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,759 of those things. But beyond that, Yeah, even even for 412 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:59,079 larger entities we've experienced, reporters are extensive, and a lot 413 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:01,519 of the people that you know, everyone's been laying everybody off, 414 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,880 the people that are running the social desks. For some 415 00:19:03,880 --> 00:19:05,960 of these larger entities, they might be twenty four and 416 00:19:06,319 --> 00:19:09,160 I would prefer, I would prefer to think they are 417 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:12,799 making mistakes out of ignorance rather than malice in trying 418 00:19:12,839 --> 00:19:16,680 to specifically pump up numbers. If we want to actually 419 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:19,839 make these things public for everything, we wouldn't need either 420 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:23,880 college basketball players to be deemed employees so they can 421 00:19:23,920 --> 00:19:26,839 then legally unionize or at least organize and have a 422 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,759 legally binding CBA that would you know, permit this or 423 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:35,039 you would need federal or state laws to say, Hey, 424 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:38,880 universities that are getting you know, telgrant money or fast 425 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:42,440 some money or taxpayer money or state appropriations have to 426 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,880 share this information just like they do for every other 427 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:49,799 state employee or state vendor. Right Like, you don't have 428 00:19:49,839 --> 00:19:51,920 to be a full time employee at the University of 429 00:19:52,039 --> 00:19:55,799 Utah or if we were state or anybody. You can 430 00:19:55,799 --> 00:19:58,519 file a FOILA and get the contract for an independent 431 00:19:58,559 --> 00:20:00,680 contractor or a vendor, which is what the athletes would be. 432 00:20:01,039 --> 00:20:03,359 Somebody could listen to this and you know, figure out 433 00:20:03,359 --> 00:20:05,920 what schools are paying me to go read my newsletter 434 00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:08,519 or use my data product. Like that's that's all possible. 435 00:20:08,680 --> 00:20:11,599 This athlete compensation is like one of the the two 436 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,359 exceptions that seems to be written in here, and that 437 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,920 has to be changed either in the courts or in Congress. 438 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,799 Speaker 1: Good point courts or Congress. Look there they're at BYU 439 00:20:21,880 --> 00:20:23,880 fans that want to know what people are getting paid. Look, 440 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:26,559 I guarantee there is a there is. It's always interesting 441 00:20:26,559 --> 00:20:27,720 to me, you know, as I like to say, I 442 00:20:27,799 --> 00:20:30,759 call it the te sometimes there are fans who are like, look, 443 00:20:30,759 --> 00:20:33,920 I'm not participating in the fan duel and DraftKings, but 444 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,359 I would love to see those that are. And what 445 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,920 is who's betting on AJ and what is AJ making 446 00:20:38,960 --> 00:20:41,359 in those states? It's crazy, But let's transition. We'll stand 447 00:20:41,400 --> 00:20:43,640 on the topic of NIL. But you put out another piece. 448 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,839 You know, Cinderella's you know they're not showing up anymore. 449 00:20:46,839 --> 00:20:48,400 And it's bigger than an AIL a lot of people 450 00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:50,839 because and I bring up another ESPN guy that said 451 00:20:50,880 --> 00:20:54,200 something in another National guy, Jay Williams, Cinderellas are dead 452 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:57,119 because they'll just take a guy and hey, Boston College 453 00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,640 will pay you five hundred thousand and that will be it. 454 00:20:59,799 --> 00:21:02,680 It's more than just in Io tell us why. 455 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think what we've seen over the last two 456 00:21:05,799 --> 00:21:08,160 years is the confluence of a couple of different things. 457 00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:10,400 I think it's probably the portal more than in his 458 00:21:10,519 --> 00:21:12,920 NIL specifically, like guys have been getting paid a little 459 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:15,039 bit longer than they've been able to transfer it without penalty. 460 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:18,680 But it impacts mid major basketball the most because one 461 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,920 of the great equalizers that we saw over the last 462 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:23,400 twenty years would be when you'd have a team that 463 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:26,079 then't that you know, there wasn't as athletic, there wasn't 464 00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:29,000 as deep, but it was really experienced. If you had 465 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:31,799 a team of a bunch of future insurance salesmen who 466 00:21:31,839 --> 00:21:34,319 were all red shirt juniors or seniors, been playing together 467 00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:37,160 for three years and they shot the lights out, yeah 468 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:39,279 you could beat Kentucky. You can go beat somebody that 469 00:21:39,319 --> 00:21:41,559 has a couple of NBA first rounders. And we've seen 470 00:21:41,559 --> 00:21:45,240 that often in the portal era, where every roster across 471 00:21:45,319 --> 00:21:48,960 the country is highly transient, whether it's at Duke or 472 00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:53,960 BYU or Kansas State or you know, Baptists whatever, you're 473 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,079 generally losing between thirty and seventy per years. So it's 474 00:21:58,160 --> 00:22:00,599 very difficult to build that kind of template. I think 475 00:22:00,599 --> 00:22:03,440 there's also some element of just bad luck involved here. 476 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:05,880 We had a couple of really good mid major teams 477 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,160 not win their conference tournaments this year, and so they 478 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:11,000 didn't get to make March Madness like this. Belmont was 479 00:22:11,039 --> 00:22:13,279 Belmont good enough to beat one of these, you know, 480 00:22:13,279 --> 00:22:15,079 one of these four or five seeds this year? Yeah, 481 00:22:15,119 --> 00:22:18,160 I think so. UNC Wilmington won twenty five plus games 482 00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,279 that they didn't make the tournament. Steven if Austin didn't 483 00:22:20,279 --> 00:22:22,759 make the tournament. These things happen, you get bad draws. 484 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,640 But there's also a basketball specific element which I think 485 00:22:26,640 --> 00:22:29,319 I think is really interesting. Well, I saw this in 486 00:22:29,319 --> 00:22:31,039 Sports Illustrated and I was going to kind of check 487 00:22:31,079 --> 00:22:32,519 it through Ken Palm, and it looks like it's true 488 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,799 that a lot of the best teams are playing more low, 489 00:22:35,839 --> 00:22:41,359 post oriented basketball. And in a world where everyone's running 490 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,480 a five out system and you're trying to, you know, 491 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:45,960 shoot forty three is a game you're gonna have a 492 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:48,200 little bit more variance game to game if somebody just 493 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:52,119 gets red hot, where a team with inferior athletes could 494 00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,920 potentially win. But if you have more teams that are 495 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,680 playing a little bit more basketball, those might be closer 496 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,599 to like the ninety five Knicks, or or one that 497 00:23:00,599 --> 00:23:03,119 that's at least at least one that's that's not as 498 00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,119 three heavy but is more big man heavy. There's just 499 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,319 not as many big men, right, Like God did not 500 00:23:08,440 --> 00:23:10,640 make as many dudes who are six foot ten to 501 00:23:10,680 --> 00:23:13,279 seven foot one to play center at high level baskets. 502 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: He did not. 503 00:23:14,599 --> 00:23:16,759 Speaker 3: And there's a good chance that your favorite mid make 504 00:23:16,799 --> 00:23:18,599 it doesn't have one of those guys just like God 505 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:21,880 didn't make that many five star edge rushers, and the 506 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:23,400 ones that he did, they're all going to Ohio State 507 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,480 in LSU like there are probably not playing at Utah Tech. 508 00:23:27,079 --> 00:23:31,039 So you you orient your team differently, and there were 509 00:23:31,079 --> 00:23:33,640 there were schematic ways that you could kind of give 510 00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:35,880 yourself a fighting chance in football and basketball, And I 511 00:23:35,920 --> 00:23:38,000 think one of the exciting things about covering the sport 512 00:23:38,519 --> 00:23:42,400 is that those things are always evolving. Maybe you know, 513 00:23:42,440 --> 00:23:44,160 ten years ago that the trick would have been to 514 00:23:44,200 --> 00:23:47,519 run a Princeton offense and take thirty seconds before every 515 00:23:47,559 --> 00:23:50,759 shot and try to upset somebody, you know, fifty two 516 00:23:50,759 --> 00:23:53,680 to fifty one. And maybe that doesn't work anymore. So 517 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:55,839 now we're gonna have to figure something else out. Maybe 518 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,240 maybe it's going the opposite direction and doing what Grennell 519 00:23:58,319 --> 00:24:00,160 and Vami used to do and try to win games 520 00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,519 one hundred and forty to one hundred and twenty, or 521 00:24:02,559 --> 00:24:05,000 maybe somebody will. We'll figure out some other thing. But 522 00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:09,240 right now, between basketball orienting itself in a way that 523 00:24:09,240 --> 00:24:12,720 that that gives more advantages to bigger teams and the 524 00:24:12,799 --> 00:24:17,160 portal and some bad luck, Yeah, it's a situation that 525 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,839 doesn't look good for mid majors. On the positive side, though, 526 00:24:20,559 --> 00:24:23,440 the best teams in this year's college basketball tournament and 527 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:25,799 last year are way better than the best teams in 528 00:24:25,799 --> 00:24:29,319 college basketball five or six seven years ago, which should 529 00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:30,759 make an Elite eight or Final four. 530 00:24:30,839 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: That's just electric, which is why I picked Houston for mine. 531 00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:36,319 I'll get you out of here on a lighthearted one 532 00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:38,559 than Matt, Who did you pick for your national champion? 533 00:24:38,799 --> 00:24:40,039 I know you picked Ohio State. 534 00:24:40,759 --> 00:24:41,200 Speaker 3: I did not. 535 00:24:41,599 --> 00:24:42,799 Speaker 1: Oh I kidding? 536 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 3: You actually pick them? No? No, please, There hasn't been 537 00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,799 a reason to be emotionally invested in Ohio State basketball. 538 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:50,839 Speaker 1: In fifteen years. 539 00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 3: I had people texting me like, what are you gonna 540 00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,279 do if they play bau in an eight nine game? Like, 541 00:24:55,279 --> 00:24:57,440 I don't know, not watch, Like this team suck, I 542 00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:00,319 don't care what. I'll go watch them, but I'll go 543 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:04,319 or somebody good. The team nine pick was Arizona. I 544 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:06,799 think if you if you had wanted to argue for Houston, 545 00:25:06,799 --> 00:25:08,720 if you had wanted to argue for Michigan, if you 546 00:25:08,759 --> 00:25:11,079 had wanted to argue for Duke, I don't think I 547 00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:13,640 would have. I think all all of those are valid. 548 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,920 I think Arizona can win a basketball game in more 549 00:25:16,960 --> 00:25:19,480 ways to some of those other schools. But I mean 550 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,240 we were looking at kemp Palm. I wrote about this 551 00:25:22,279 --> 00:25:24,640 earlier this week, Right, like a team of Sanderbilt, which 552 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:27,599 is a five seed and out by the first weekend, 553 00:25:28,519 --> 00:25:30,480 was as efficient as like a number one seed in 554 00:25:30,559 --> 00:25:32,880 twenty seventeen season. Like the teams that we have left 555 00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:36,359 with maybe the exception of Iowa, are all just dynamite 556 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:37,359 basketball teams. 557 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:40,359 Speaker 1: How was amazing was that to see Todd Golden in 558 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:43,039 Florida fall to number nine Iowa. That was a great game. 559 00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:45,599 Speaker 3: It was, It was, It was. It was a heck 560 00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:48,279 of a last minute thirty seconds, right, and especially after 561 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:52,599 such a chalky tournament like not that not that it's 562 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:54,839 really fun that you're disengaged to be like, ah, I'm 563 00:25:54,839 --> 00:25:57,680 so glad the plucky Big ten team with the budget 564 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,759 of one hundred and twelve million finally pulled something out. 565 00:26:00,960 --> 00:26:03,559 But it is fun to see a couple of the 566 00:26:03,559 --> 00:26:06,319 one or two seeds, especially the defending national champion, lose, and 567 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:07,839 lose in a particularly funny way. 568 00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:10,799 Speaker 1: Yeah BYU fans, little beef for Todd Golden. Going back 569 00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:13,519 to Mark Pope days at San Francisco and BYU. I 570 00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:15,200 know they were happy. I got a few text messages 571 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:18,200 about that. But that's not important. That's not relevant. Matt. 572 00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,240 What's the best way we can support you the listeners? 573 00:26:20,319 --> 00:26:21,319 What you're doing, how you do it? 574 00:26:22,319 --> 00:26:25,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, I just realized something like the Big Twelve players 575 00:26:25,279 --> 00:26:28,200 even asking for BYU now because you got Randy Bennett coming. 576 00:26:28,039 --> 00:26:30,720 Speaker 1: Back, Can we just can we just not talk about that. 577 00:26:30,759 --> 00:26:33,960 I've been texting fans and people and says, Ron, we're haunted, 578 00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,000 and I says we're not haunted. I don't play, I 579 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,400 just cover. But yes, I know you guys are struggling. 580 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:41,240 Randy Bennett's back. It doesn't get any easier either. Matt too. 581 00:26:41,319 --> 00:26:44,400 Jered Calhoun. When Wes Miller got fired, I said, Jered 582 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,160 Calhoun will be gone. Utah State has been the feeder 583 00:26:47,279 --> 00:26:49,559 job for any P four program. I said, the Big 584 00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:52,119 Twelve is gonna get more difficult. And Randy Bennett already 585 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:54,759 making moves. Guys are in the portal already, Matt. He 586 00:26:54,960 --> 00:26:57,319 flipped a couple of commitments. Yeah, b A, you might 587 00:26:57,359 --> 00:26:58,039 be haunted again. 588 00:26:59,079 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you look, Jared's an Ohio guy. 589 00:27:01,319 --> 00:27:03,160 Speaker 1: I mean, yess and Logan for long. 590 00:27:03,519 --> 00:27:04,880 Speaker 3: I was kind of hoping he might end up in 591 00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,559 Columbus one of these days, but now probably not. But 592 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:09,359 if you, if, folks, if this kind of thing is 593 00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:12,279 interesting to you, if you care about the business and 594 00:27:12,319 --> 00:27:14,759 the policy and the television stuff that shapes how college 595 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,440 sports works, you might enjoy Extra Points. You can read 596 00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,200 it for free at Extra Points NB dot com, or 597 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:21,920 for nine bucks a month, you can get access to 598 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:25,920 everything that we do, including our computer game Athletic Director 599 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:27,039 Simulator four thousand. 600 00:27:27,519 --> 00:27:29,599 Speaker 1: Hey, you gotta do it for nine bucks a month. 601 00:27:29,640 --> 00:27:32,079 It's great work. It's great stuff. We love having Matt 602 00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,160 on and great work always at extrapoints MB dot com. 603 00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,559 You can follow on x, Twitter or whatever the kids 604 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:39,960 call it these days. Matt, appreciate your time. We'll definitely 605 00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:41,839 get caught up with you as the off season starts 606 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:42,359 to pick up. 607 00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 3: You bet all right, BI Well fellas appreciate you guys. 608 00:27:45,079 --> 00:27:45,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll let you go. 609 00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 3: Yeah. 610 00:27:46,599 --> 00:27:50,039 Speaker 1: Love having Matt brown On. Got to have my Chicago 611 00:27:50,039 --> 00:27:52,960 guy on. Appreciate him always joining us. We've gone too long. 612 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,359 We really got to go to break, really got to 613 00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,480 go to break. But appreciate Matt joining us. 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Bruce 635 00:28:48,079 --> 00:28:51,000 Mitchell is the next level player. Andrew Gentry, next level player. 636 00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:54,440 Pockey Fee Now who they've raved about this offensive line? TJ. 637 00:28:54,519 --> 00:28:57,200 Woods was a great hire in the showcasing true. 638 00:28:57,279 --> 00:28:59,839 Speaker 2: Let's sayin thefan dot com to check the standings through 639 00:29:00,039 --> 00:29:01,359 out the madness The one. 640 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,640 Speaker 1: O three nine, ninety eight three ESPN. 641 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,000 Speaker 2: The Band Million Dollar Bracket Challenge. 642 00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,000 Speaker 1: He is brought to you by the Utah our. 643 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,519 Speaker 2: V Super Show. Let's get to know the Cougar student athletes. 644 00:29:11,759 --> 00:29:14,799 Speaker 1: Get a player profile segment here on one oh. 645 00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,599 Speaker 2: Three nine at ninety eight three ESPN. 646 00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,759 Speaker 1: The Ban Welcome back to Cougar Sports. Here on one 647 00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:23,880 O three nine and ninety eight three ESPN. The Fan Ronald, 648 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,759 the three man Weaver. Here Brett always bringing a hammer 649 00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,759 by my side holding it down for Ben cretl DA. 650 00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,119 He'll be back to tomorrow. We've had a great show 651 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,319 this far. If you are listening live, you just turned 652 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:36,079 off the radio, or if you missed the interview, Matt 653 00:29:36,119 --> 00:29:40,039 Brown of Extra Points just joined us. A phenomenal interview. Brett. 654 00:29:40,039 --> 00:29:42,240 There are a lot of bau fans and probably just 655 00:29:42,279 --> 00:29:44,720 college fans in general that want to know what players 656 00:29:44,759 --> 00:29:47,119 are making, uh, you know, and we'll want to know 657 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,880 how much is being spent. Now I'm interested not necessarily 658 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:52,279 a boy players being paid. I don't care about another 659 00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:54,960 grown man or grown woman's making and it doesn't help 660 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:57,599 pay my bills, right Brett. But I think the biggest 661 00:29:57,640 --> 00:29:59,519 thing is I would like to see what athletic departments, 662 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:02,480 you know, maybe for BA other private universities, are spending 663 00:30:02,519 --> 00:30:05,160 in when a recruit comes on a trip or travel 664 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:07,640 and all these other things and staffing. That would be 665 00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,200 nice to know of how much was you know, allocated 666 00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:14,440 towards you know, staffing for BAU basketball or even BAU football. 667 00:30:14,599 --> 00:30:17,079 We've heard multiple times of its two to one ratio 668 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,440 for the BAU basketball team, So that's something I am 669 00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:20,039 intrigued by. 670 00:30:20,039 --> 00:30:23,240 Speaker 5: That Matt said, I would really genuinely like to know 671 00:30:23,279 --> 00:30:27,519 what players are being paid, not because I'm like jealous 672 00:30:27,519 --> 00:30:30,039 of how much people are making, but let's be honest, 673 00:30:30,279 --> 00:30:32,880 how boring would the NFL and the NBA be if 674 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:35,000 you didn't know how much Wemby was making or how 675 00:30:35,039 --> 00:30:36,119 much Mahomes was making. 676 00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,119 Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be a little boring. I can't, so yeah 677 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:38,640 like it. 678 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 5: It really helps contextualize how much does a school, or 679 00:30:43,759 --> 00:30:45,880 how much does a school value a certain player. 680 00:30:46,119 --> 00:30:47,799 Speaker 4: How much is that talent worth? 681 00:30:47,960 --> 00:30:50,839 Speaker 5: Is it worth more to this team because they're his 682 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:53,440 hometown school. Is it worth more to this team because 683 00:30:53,759 --> 00:30:56,799 they are perpetually pumping out NBA prospects. I don't know 684 00:30:56,799 --> 00:31:00,160 if we'll ever get that number, if we'll ever move 685 00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:03,039 to a world where we have a collective bargaining agreement 686 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:06,519 for college athletics, but I think it would be really 687 00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,519 fun because I think it would make the conversations around 688 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:14,440 college athletics more interesting knowing what somebody paid, maybe somebody 689 00:31:14,440 --> 00:31:16,400 else paid them more to leave, like all that good stuff. 690 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:17,359 Speaker 4: I would love to know. 691 00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:20,400 Speaker 5: But you're right if you enjoy If you want to 692 00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,319 know how any of that conversation is possible, go back 693 00:31:23,319 --> 00:31:25,160 and listen to the podcast with Matt Brown. 694 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: One hundred percent. We're gonna get into a little player profile. 695 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,400 Segment is going to be brought to you by one 696 00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:32,920 of our favorite sponsors. And look, we always talk about 697 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,720 Rubies in here. We're going to continue to talk about 698 00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:37,400 it because I love talking about Bryce Kane. Because springtime 699 00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:39,839 is here, I've talked about it all day of how 700 00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,400 beautiful the weather is right now. Spring break is for 701 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,400 the kids. At rubies In. You can get a cozy room, 702 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,720 a free hot breakfast, into a pool outdoor at Venture snowshoeing, 703 00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:50,759 cross country skiing, ice skating. It's right there at the 704 00:31:50,759 --> 00:31:54,079 doorstep a breathtaking Bryce Canyon National Park. 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But come fall Camp, 716 00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:22,039 I think you know we can start to make those 717 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:25,119 declarations of those projictions or projections. But Andrew Gentry and 718 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:27,079 I do I will be declared of about this. Andrew 719 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:29,359 Gentry's going to be a right tackle Packey Foina. I 720 00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:30,960 think it's going to be a left tackle, Bruce Mitcher 721 00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:33,640 center center. So three out of five I think it is said. 722 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,119 And that's based on coming back from last year in 723 00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:39,400 production and what the coaches have said said. Both a 724 00:32:39,559 --> 00:32:42,119 Rod and Kalani have mentioned Packey fen I think he's 725 00:32:42,119 --> 00:32:44,799 been mentioned two or three times. Ben Got, you know, 726 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,519 ridiculed he was made fun of talking about a man's tricep. Well, 727 00:32:48,519 --> 00:32:50,839 guess what. That man's triceep has been mentioned three times. 728 00:32:50,960 --> 00:32:53,519 Maybe not specifically about the triceep, but that man who 729 00:32:53,599 --> 00:32:55,839 owns that tri step, who's built it up, has been 730 00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:59,880 talked about. And look, you had to rebuild this offensive line, Brett. 731 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,680 They lost people to graduation going to the NFL rightfully. 732 00:33:03,799 --> 00:33:06,039 So I love the three transfers that they got. I 733 00:33:06,079 --> 00:33:09,680 love the depth any it's anybody's job, I think, guard wise, 734 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:12,640 I guess I'll get your opinion on that though. Do 735 00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:14,680 you think, based on what the coaching staff has said 736 00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:16,680 and what we know about Bruce and Andrew, do you 737 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,119 think those three positions are a lock Pockey left guard, 738 00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,319 Andrew right tackling, then Bruce Mitchell in the center. 739 00:33:23,839 --> 00:33:27,359 Speaker 5: I think Bruce and Andrew, yes, okay, because it was 740 00:33:27,440 --> 00:33:28,400 theirs last year. 741 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,359 Speaker 4: But I was that man, like I think anything is 742 00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,119 up for grabs. 743 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 5: Anybody can because here's the thing, Ron like, it's football 744 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,200 starting in the next two months. 745 00:33:36,279 --> 00:33:38,799 Speaker 1: No, it's not off, I think. So I'll think it's got. 746 00:33:38,839 --> 00:33:42,119 Speaker 5: A long time for people to earn certain things, people 747 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,839 to grow in certain ways, people to prove certain things. 748 00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:47,400 So I think all of those factors kind of tell 749 00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,000 me like they may have an idea, but I think 750 00:33:50,079 --> 00:33:51,680 there's still a lot of ball left. 751 00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:52,079 Speaker 4: To be played. 752 00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:54,119 Speaker 1: There's a lot of ball left to be played. Brett's right, 753 00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:57,119 And it's interesting. A producer of another, you know, local 754 00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,720 radio station and asked a rod about a question about, hey, 755 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:02,559 are you more likely to release it too deep after 756 00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:05,559 spring because there's no spring trans report a window as 757 00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:07,119 it used to be. And he says, oh, yeah, that 758 00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:08,639 could definitely be a thing. And then obviously I think 759 00:34:08,639 --> 00:34:10,519 he retorted a little bit and says, look, you gotta 760 00:34:10,599 --> 00:34:11,960 just make us play you like, it doesn't matter. We 761 00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,079 could have four tight ends one while receiver. And I 762 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:17,320 do think there's validity in that, but I also disagree 763 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,480 to a little bit just a tad not too much 764 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,119 of that. I think based on personnel and formations. There's 765 00:34:22,159 --> 00:34:24,679 something you want to do. But the personnell he's talking 766 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:27,639 about in the names, if you make them play you, 767 00:34:27,639 --> 00:34:29,039 you'll be in that pool of names that will get 768 00:34:29,039 --> 00:34:32,280 your number called on game day. And Kline says to 769 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,840 you what I think. He said, eight to ten. That's 770 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,320 what they want, like a full like hockey line rotation. 771 00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:38,760 So we'll see if that's able to happen. But I 772 00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:41,159 got pockey right now left, I think come out of 773 00:34:41,199 --> 00:34:43,159 spring this is way too early. Bruce Mitchell ahead of 774 00:34:43,159 --> 00:34:45,840 Spear and Andrew gency are right, but yes, everything will 775 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,440 still be up for grab because you can get beat 776 00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,440 out in fall camp by someone else. Remember Jake Retzavan, 777 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:53,239 Gary Bohannon, and Jake said, ah, not so fast, GB three, 778 00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,119 Ronald three Male, we'ven gonna be wrong. But also on 779 00:34:56,159 --> 00:34:58,400 top of that, you also could have injuries. You never know. 780 00:34:58,840 --> 00:35:00,639 It's anybody's Jobby loose. Let could do it. This is 781 00:35:00,639 --> 00:35:04,280 the sound. Andrew Gentry yesterday addressed the media for spring ball. 782 00:35:10,119 --> 00:35:12,639 That sound is taken forever to load on my hands. 783 00:35:12,639 --> 00:35:14,000 So we're gonna keep it here. Okay, here we go 784 00:35:15,639 --> 00:35:20,079 spring camp going for you, and what's kind of maybe 785 00:35:20,119 --> 00:35:22,400 been one of your biggest surprises off some of your 786 00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:23,800 teammates at spring camp. Yeah. 787 00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,039 Speaker 6: Absolutely, spring ball has been great. It's been fun to 788 00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:27,639 be a part of it this year. Obviously, last year 789 00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:29,559 I was I was out with an injury during spring. 790 00:35:29,679 --> 00:35:32,039 So it feels good to get a springball under my 791 00:35:32,079 --> 00:35:34,920 belt and feel like it gives me a good chance 792 00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,320 to work on things that I want to work on, 793 00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,400 things from the fall that I want to improve upon. 794 00:35:38,559 --> 00:35:40,440 Is a really good opportunity to go forth and do that, 795 00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,199 and I think the whole team is doing that right 796 00:35:42,199 --> 00:35:44,960 As I'm sure coach Colane mentioned, we're trying to stay 797 00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,519 smart and follow the sports science. But there's been a 798 00:35:47,559 --> 00:35:50,000 lot of good competition as well, and in terms of 799 00:35:50,039 --> 00:35:52,079 teammates that have surprised me and are looking good. I 800 00:35:52,079 --> 00:35:54,599 mean from an online perspective, Pockey Fin now looks really 801 00:35:54,599 --> 00:35:57,440 really good coming from Washington. He's done a lot of 802 00:35:57,440 --> 00:35:59,239 really great things. He's gonna help us out a ton 803 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,039 this year. He's a great player, a great teammate to 804 00:36:01,079 --> 00:36:04,360 have other guys as well, I mean the two other transfers, 805 00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:07,000 Zach and Junior as well. Both those guys will will 806 00:36:07,119 --> 00:36:08,840 will help us out for sure this year as well, 807 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:11,679 and both look great. And then bought the new freshman too, 808 00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:14,320 I mean, doing a lot of really good things as well. 809 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:15,360 He's super athletic. 810 00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:17,239 Speaker 1: He's gonna be a great player for us as well. 811 00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,119 Speaker 6: So we feel really good from an O line perspective 812 00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,159 of guys that are able to play. And obviously you 813 00:36:22,159 --> 00:36:24,039 saw last year we played a lot of guys. You 814 00:36:24,079 --> 00:36:25,920 need a lot of guys to play a line, and 815 00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:27,719 so we're definitely confident that we have a lot of 816 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:29,559 guys that can go out and play, and that's a 817 00:36:29,559 --> 00:36:31,079 great thing to see. And it's been a great thing 818 00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:32,679 to see these guys continue to just get better. The 819 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:33,760 spring's gone along as well. 820 00:36:35,039 --> 00:36:36,920 Speaker 1: To the rumors that Hockey might be moved over to 821 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:40,199 tight end, because the word is that he came in 822 00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,239 just cut and spelled and looked like, you know, he 823 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:44,440 could run out and got. 824 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:46,519 Speaker 6: I mean, I'm sure Pockey probably could go out and 825 00:36:46,559 --> 00:36:48,639 catch them passes. But I hope we're keeping him at 826 00:36:48,679 --> 00:36:50,480 all line. I haven't heard any of those rumors yet, 827 00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,960 but I mean maybe you never know. I hope we're 828 00:36:54,000 --> 00:36:55,719 keeping him at all line, but he probably could he's 829 00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,159 athletic enough to so testament to him and his athleticism 830 00:36:58,159 --> 00:37:01,519 over there playing tackle, But I think you know, wherever 831 00:37:01,599 --> 00:37:03,519 Pocket plays will be a great player for us. 832 00:37:03,519 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: But he could do its. Dudes like Isaiah, Jada, Yeah, 833 00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:13,480 and Wayland. Could this unit be just as good as 834 00:37:13,519 --> 00:37:14,519 that one was last year? 835 00:37:14,639 --> 00:37:16,639 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think so. I mean, and no disrespect to 836 00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:18,719 those guys last year. I mean, those guys some of 837 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,840 my best friends and phenomenal players and they'll have long 838 00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,440 careers in the NFL. When you talk about guys like 839 00:37:22,519 --> 00:37:25,440 Jada and Whalen and Austin, and they helped us out 840 00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:27,039 of time and we did some great things last year. 841 00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:29,239 But I really think this offensive line has the potential 842 00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,000 to be even better than last year's. And I say 843 00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:33,440 that just because I think there's a lot of continuity 844 00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,119 from last year out of guys, a lot of guys 845 00:37:35,119 --> 00:37:37,239 that have played together, and then a lot of transfers 846 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:39,280 and new guys that are hungry that are pushing competition. 847 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,280 Speaker 1: And that's our goals and offensive. 848 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 6: Line unit really is to to compete, to be one 849 00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,280 of the best units in the nation. Right We're not 850 00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:48,400 trying to compete, you know, just to be good, But 851 00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:49,480 we want to be great. We want to be one 852 00:37:49,519 --> 00:37:50,800 of the best. We want to compete for that Joe 853 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:52,639 More Award, and we really feel like we have the 854 00:37:52,679 --> 00:37:54,440 talent and the guys to do it. And obviously, coach 855 00:37:54,480 --> 00:37:57,920 Woods with how he coaches us, he demands greatness and 856 00:37:57,960 --> 00:37:59,199 he's going to make sure that we're in the best 857 00:37:59,199 --> 00:38:01,320 positions every week. But I really think we got the 858 00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,400 potential to be a phenomenal offensive line this year. 859 00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:06,559 Speaker 1: Stopping it. Stopping it right here, Brett, We're coming back 860 00:38:06,599 --> 00:38:08,960 right here, just hopping on. I just I think this 861 00:38:09,039 --> 00:38:11,360 is interesting. I mean, I don't know what Andrew's supposed 862 00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:17,079 to say to that question. Probably good, but that probably 863 00:38:17,079 --> 00:38:19,639 not gonna be that good. What Okay, these are these 864 00:38:19,679 --> 00:38:21,599 are the best athletes in the world, playing at the 865 00:38:21,639 --> 00:38:24,679 highest level, one of the best football conferences in America. 866 00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:26,159 Not just gonna say it's the best, but one of 867 00:38:26,199 --> 00:38:29,239 the best. And he's he's opposed to I mean, this 868 00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:32,159 guy won a national championship. Is he's gonna say no? 869 00:38:32,239 --> 00:38:34,400 It's just I just I don't think that's the case. 870 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:36,800 Speaker 4: Michigan win the Joe Moore Award. 871 00:38:37,199 --> 00:38:40,760 Speaker 1: That's a good question. I don't know, and I would 872 00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,559 be surprised if they didn't because they were dominant that year. 873 00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:44,719 Speaker 4: Man, like, didn't they But. 874 00:38:44,679 --> 00:38:47,159 Speaker 5: That was that he was there when they won the Natty, right, 875 00:38:47,239 --> 00:38:52,000 Yes he was. Yeah, yeah, Blake Jark, So there you go. 876 00:38:52,079 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: So yeah. So, I mean he's a guy that has 877 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,000 a bunch of experience with that. I'll have you look 878 00:38:56,000 --> 00:38:57,639 it up quick. But let's go back to the first 879 00:38:57,679 --> 00:38:59,960 question asked and the reason why I keep saying Pockey 880 00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:02,519 fales when guys are giving going out of their way 881 00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:04,519 and you ask them, hey, who stood out to you 882 00:39:04,519 --> 00:39:06,519 and they give that answer directly, and the coaches give 883 00:39:06,519 --> 00:39:08,400 it that guy's gonna play. Now we don't know where 884 00:39:08,400 --> 00:39:11,119 Pockey is gonna play. Sean Walker joking about tight end 885 00:39:11,119 --> 00:39:14,320 that it's just it does speak to his athleticism that 886 00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:15,960 he could maybe go out there and play tight end 887 00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,199 and catch, but he's gonna be an offensive lineman. But 888 00:39:18,480 --> 00:39:21,079 what he did to Washington. He also mentioned Zak Yamauchi 889 00:39:21,159 --> 00:39:26,519 from Stanford Junior CC. I think from Utah State, Yeah, 890 00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:29,880 dream from Utaha. So there's just so much anemy. Calsa 891 00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:34,280 Far chokes back. He said, Bob Mulatalo, it's just they 892 00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:36,760 got so many guys in this room, and it goes 893 00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,199 back to what come I know when that's the problem. 894 00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:42,719 Zaky is not zact Yima Jim apologies you've forgotten about 895 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,920 Bot because Pockey Finale has stood out so well in camp. 896 00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:51,360 But that's the differences none against BOT when you play Already, Brett, 897 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,480 you can't beat experience in college. When you play, you 898 00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:55,800 know how the transfer portal and stuff works. That guy's 899 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:57,639 gonna play over this guy. Not that that guy's bad, 900 00:39:57,679 --> 00:40:00,159 that guy's a high level recruit, but this guy he 901 00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,800 good and he played. So that's tough. That's why when 902 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,519 people said, oh, bought it left tackle, I was like, 903 00:40:05,599 --> 00:40:07,920 I don't know if I could go that far. Maybe 904 00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:10,480 too deep. That's so tough because there's a lot of 905 00:40:10,519 --> 00:40:13,239 experience that came in from the portal in it they 906 00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:15,280 bring back. I think it's just tough for a freshman 907 00:40:15,599 --> 00:40:17,920 to this might be the toughest position group, Brett. Can 908 00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:20,480 we say that to Crack to get playing time because 909 00:40:21,159 --> 00:40:25,840 all all of these guys you could plug and play them. 910 00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm thinking obviously we're not talking quarterback. I think 911 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,079 we agree wide receiver is pretty open. 912 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:34,440 Speaker 1: Pretty open, Yeah, tight ends pretty locked. 913 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:34,639 Speaker 3: Down. 914 00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:35,800 Speaker 1: We know who the two guys are. 915 00:40:36,159 --> 00:40:41,199 Speaker 5: Running Back I think is pretty locked obviously that's lockdown 916 00:40:41,199 --> 00:40:44,199 now maybe three or four, but to first two, you know, it's. 917 00:40:44,079 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: Pretty much there. 918 00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:47,159 Speaker 4: Linebacker is pretty locked up. 919 00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:47,719 Speaker 1: Dbat. 920 00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:51,800 Speaker 5: As far as like the top end guys, yeah, dB 921 00:40:52,079 --> 00:40:56,840 and probably corner more specifically after uh so. 922 00:40:57,119 --> 00:40:59,800 Speaker 1: Safety is they're gonna rotate those guys. So yeah, I. 923 00:41:00,039 --> 00:41:03,719 Speaker 5: Think that's a good take about the offensive. 924 00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: Line, like is this the toughest one to crack? And 925 00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,280 I know a lot of people are gonna say, oh Ron, 926 00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:08,360 what about defensive And I could hear that argument. I 927 00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:10,800 think d n you know, Edge Rusher could be one 928 00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,320 of those, the second one. But I still I think 929 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,599 offensive line is gonna be the toughest one to get 930 00:41:14,599 --> 00:41:16,760 playing time out of. I just he just he said 931 00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,679 Hockey himself and Bruso. If those are your three he mentioned, 932 00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:23,119 Zachi mentioned Junior, you got Kyle Safarchuk, you got Black Mulatala, 933 00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:25,519 you have Trevin Osler who's been talked about. So those 934 00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:30,000 are five other guys. So just that's that's I believe Kline. 935 00:41:30,039 --> 00:41:32,280 They're gonna have another eight to ten guys. So it's 936 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:33,039 just a credit to t J. 937 00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:33,599 Speaker 4: Woods Man. 938 00:41:33,599 --> 00:41:35,239 Speaker 1: You got to give QJ. Woods a lot of credit 939 00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,440 building this offensive line. Continue to help put guys in 940 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,440 a Rod's offense to get him to the next level 941 00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:42,639 the running back. What I want to see Brett now 942 00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:44,960 is not that they've gotten the offensive lineman. I want 943 00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:47,000 to see him now start to get high level running 944 00:41:47,000 --> 00:41:48,719 backs each year. And I'm not talking about just LJ 945 00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,559 and look, I Klanie's got a pay raise in Al's 946 00:41:52,599 --> 00:41:55,000 going up. I would love to see an LJ and NC, 947 00:41:55,199 --> 00:41:57,639 not just to see on anymore, but maybe even two bruisers, 948 00:41:57,920 --> 00:41:59,519 you know, on the roster to go along with it. 949 00:41:59,559 --> 00:42:02,039 And he can't everybody, but can you split that? That's 950 00:42:02,199 --> 00:42:04,280 what I would like to see next because I think 951 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:07,360 running back is very crucial for your debt because the 952 00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:08,920 boys up front are going to block, but you need 953 00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:11,360 guys behind them to run the football effectively. 954 00:42:12,199 --> 00:42:13,679 Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree, and I. 955 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 5: Think given all the experience that's I feel like offensive 956 00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:21,039 line is one of those where size matters more than 957 00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,079 at offensive line and maybe the defensive line. Then it 958 00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:27,639 like any other like you can't get away with being 959 00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:31,480 a small offensive lineman who lacks power like you just 960 00:42:31,599 --> 00:42:34,400 can't and so I think that's one of those positions 961 00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,119 where and I've heard great things about Bots, so I'm 962 00:42:37,119 --> 00:42:40,800 not talking about him specifically, but like just generally. That's 963 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,599 why I think it makes more sense for transfers to 964 00:42:43,679 --> 00:42:47,159 start over freshmen just because their bodies are still and 965 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:48,320 ready for that level. 966 00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:48,639 Speaker 6: Yeah. 967 00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:53,480 Speaker 5: But who But we've heard Kalanie like about uh, some 968 00:42:53,519 --> 00:42:55,679 praise about Bought a couple of times. 969 00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:57,400 Speaker 4: Sure knows man like who knows? 970 00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,800 Speaker 5: And and and the other thing with this that we're 971 00:42:59,840 --> 00:43:03,719 kind of leaving out Ron is if I remember correctly, 972 00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,800 there was a solid amount of rotation last year. Now, 973 00:43:06,800 --> 00:43:08,239 some of that was due to injury, some of that 974 00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,159 was just due to you had a lot of depth, 975 00:43:10,199 --> 00:43:13,119 But like we saw a little bit of rotation, so 976 00:43:13,199 --> 00:43:15,039 we may see that again this year. 977 00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:16,960 Speaker 1: We could there are guys that were good in pass 978 00:43:17,039 --> 00:43:19,039 blocking scheme, and there are guys that are good in 979 00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,079 run blocking scheme in red zone, so we will see that. 980 00:43:21,119 --> 00:43:24,239 You started to seeing them use Trevin Osler, you know, 981 00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,360 in the red zone. You know, and the report is 982 00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,480 eligible down the stretch of the season, so we'll see 983 00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,199 you're not wrong. Let's get back to it, finish up 984 00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,480 before we go to break we got Andrew Gentry addressing 985 00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:35,480 the media yesterday at Springball. Ironic, but u Tu's coach 986 00:43:35,519 --> 00:43:36,280 is now with Michigan. 987 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:39,639 Speaker 6: It's full circle for sure, I'll tell you what it's 988 00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:42,559 It's pretty crazy to see all that unfold, and from 989 00:43:42,599 --> 00:43:45,639 my situation obviously playing for coach Harbaugh and then Sharon 990 00:43:45,760 --> 00:43:47,960 and then and then leaving, and now to see coach 991 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,920 Whittingham there and then Jay Hill. It's kind of a 992 00:43:50,960 --> 00:43:54,199 crazy full circle moment. But it's funny to get text 993 00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:55,719 from some of my buddies that are still at Michigan 994 00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:57,360 and I tell us about this new J Hill. 995 00:43:57,199 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 4: Guy that's coming in. 996 00:43:58,320 --> 00:43:59,360 Speaker 6: He's a great guy. 997 00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 4: I love playing for him. 998 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:02,880 Speaker 6: And then, funny enough, I actually was was back at 999 00:44:02,880 --> 00:44:05,400 Michigan for a wedding and I was at the airport 1000 00:44:05,440 --> 00:44:07,400 flying in to go, uh watch some one of best 1001 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:10,079 friends get married for Michigan and bumped into j Hill 1002 00:44:10,119 --> 00:44:12,719 in the airport. So kind of funny to see that. 1003 00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:15,360 And now he's in my stamping grounds and I was 1004 00:44:15,360 --> 00:44:17,079 talking to him about the church members over there because 1005 00:44:17,079 --> 00:44:19,480 obviously the church is small. So it's pretty crazy to 1006 00:44:19,519 --> 00:44:22,280 how that happen. But uh, yeah, it's it's full circle. 1007 00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:22,679 Speaker 3: For sure. 1008 00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,599 Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna come back and maybe ended on this. 1009 00:44:25,840 --> 00:44:29,000 Didn't expect that, Okay, obviously full circle Andrew, if you 1010 00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:32,199 live under rock? Was that Michigan transferred to BYU Kyle Whittingham, 1011 00:44:32,239 --> 00:44:34,280 the coach that goes over after Sharron wors fired that 1012 00:44:34,320 --> 00:44:36,400 whole thing We're not going to get into. That takes 1013 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,320 J Hill with them a bunch of other people from Utah. 1014 00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,760 Andrew goes back for a wedding rent in Michigan and 1015 00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:44,920 then bumps into J Hill at the airport. That's crazy. 1016 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:46,880 And then before that, so tell us about this J 1017 00:44:47,000 --> 00:44:48,519 Hill guy. Oh, he's a great guy. You're gonna love him. 1018 00:44:48,559 --> 00:44:51,480 I just it's you. I think you agree with this, 1019 00:44:51,519 --> 00:44:54,079 and tell tell me if you don't. I felt like 1020 00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:56,480 with the church is just so small. I felt like 1021 00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,840 I've seen people grow in airports in d C, New York, Florida. 1022 00:45:00,320 --> 00:45:02,119 I just feel like when it comes to that and 1023 00:45:02,159 --> 00:45:04,519 the connection that you have is so small, especially here 1024 00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:06,840 in Utah for sure, but everywhere else. I just feel 1025 00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:07,960 the way. I don't know if you feel the way, 1026 00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:10,119 but I think this is a funny full circle moment. 1027 00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,760 Speaker 4: Oh dude, the like, yeah, one hundred percent. 1028 00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:17,400 Speaker 5: I see people from Yes, the church is small, especially, 1029 00:45:17,519 --> 00:45:19,519 I mean church is small inside of Utah. Dude, like 1030 00:45:19,559 --> 00:45:23,239 I just yeahs from shout out to one of eye buddies, 1031 00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:25,239 uh John Rawls for my mission. 1032 00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:27,360 Speaker 4: He's like, hey, do you live in the Lei tag apart. 1033 00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:30,320 Speaker 5: I don't know why, I just anyway, he asked if 1034 00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,840 I lived in a certain place, and I said, yeah, 1035 00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:33,519 how'd you know that? 1036 00:45:33,559 --> 00:45:36,159 Speaker 4: And he's like, oh, dude, we're actually in that same stake. 1037 00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:39,000 Speaker 5: So it's it's like it's just I mean, it's a 1038 00:45:39,039 --> 00:45:41,719 small world everywhere with when when people are going to 1039 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:42,599 church is a small world. 1040 00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:44,679 Speaker 1: So it's very true. See talent sh Way. He's like 1041 00:45:44,719 --> 00:45:46,360 you was like, oh you're telling Shumway. 1042 00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:46,559 Speaker 3: Yeah. 1043 00:45:46,559 --> 00:45:48,280 Speaker 1: I was like, that's how it goes. My rugby old 1044 00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,400 rugby teammate we were and didn't know why I was 1045 00:45:50,400 --> 00:45:53,000 moving into that ward the creeks out ward, and he's like. 1046 00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:55,559 Speaker 5: The other thing I have to remember though, Ron is like, 1047 00:45:57,280 --> 00:45:59,280 I mean, like airports are. 1048 00:45:59,159 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 4: Not that big. 1049 00:46:00,119 --> 00:46:01,599 Speaker 1: They're not usually they're not. 1050 00:46:01,679 --> 00:46:03,679 Speaker 5: Because I and I can speak to this because I 1051 00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:05,960 flew out of Big ten country before flying out of 1052 00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,519 State college. For a long time were like you run 1053 00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:11,320 into people at the airport because there's only so many 1054 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,639 flights at so many times that go where you need 1055 00:46:14,679 --> 00:46:18,679 to go, So odds are you're flying in or out 1056 00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,719 as the same day as somebody else you know who 1057 00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:21,440 would be there. 1058 00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 1: This is true. You're not wrong because like line out 1059 00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,480 of the Provo airport, you know you probably are gonna 1060 00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,119 run into someone, but even then it's probably smaller than that. 1061 00:46:28,159 --> 00:46:29,840 But you're not wrong. You bring up a good point. 1062 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:33,280 Let's go ahead and take a brief time out where 1063 00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,559 we appreciate Andrew Jinchen adjusting the media. 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