Speaker 1: Big Food and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. These guys
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Speaker 2: And now you're hosts Cliff Berrickman and James.
Speaker 4: Boobo Fay Bobo.
Speaker 2: Yes, how are you doing, my friend?
Speaker 5: Oh? Not bad, not that at all. It's beautiful day.
Speaker 5: We just had two days, great weather.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's pretty awesome here too, pretty awesome here. Anything
Speaker 4: else going on? Anything fun? Your work is probably winding
Speaker 4: up right being a teacher's aide. And it's almost June. Here,
Speaker 4: you got a couple more weeks of school.
Speaker 5: Two more weeks, yeah, two more weeks and two days.
Speaker 4: What are you gonna do for summer?
Speaker 2: Party?
Speaker 4: You?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: Here an elementary school student out for the summer.
Speaker 5: You're gonna build a for with my new friend in
Speaker 5: water balloon fight and you're.
Speaker 4: Gonna be signing in the yearbooks, like have a bitch
Speaker 4: in summer anything like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, well, we got to move in July.
Speaker 4: So oh is it final? Is it done deal?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I remember, well yeah, but I mean nothing's really a
Speaker 4: done deal till it happens with you.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 5: So I told you I got the sixty day notice,
Speaker 5: the official sixty day notice.
Speaker 4: It's still counting down. Huh.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's been eleven days. We got forty nine days.
Speaker 5: That crea has a freaking thing on the door, so
Speaker 5: I can't miss it.
Speaker 4: Well, you know, don't want you to be late for
Speaker 4: that or anything. So yeah, you can't be late for
Speaker 4: that one. Where are you guys going to move to?
Speaker 4: You figured out yet or no?
Speaker 5: Well, we've got the option to move in next door,
Speaker 5: but we're going through like all like everything, like because
Speaker 5: we still need store. Like they want to leave it.
Speaker 5: They want to keep the furniture in it.
Speaker 2: That's not yours.
Speaker 5: No, the next doorhouse.
Speaker 4: Oh oh okay, that's you meet your house and say
Speaker 4: who's gonna want that furniture?
Speaker 5: Man me nobody.
Speaker 4: Well yeah you we have. But besides that, because imagine
Speaker 4: you probably had the same couches as like ten years
Speaker 4: ago when I was there.
Speaker 5: I thought I'm new in two thousand and twelve.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you don't want to get rid of that.
Speaker 2: It's animal planet money.
Speaker 5: Yeah exactly.
Speaker 4: Have you been in the woods at all, boats or
Speaker 4: anything going on?
Speaker 5: Yeah? I got up to up by a big Lagoon,
Speaker 5: Trinido area. I got up there twice and just just
Speaker 5: walk on the side of the road looking do they
Speaker 5: they do they're up there, man, they are moving around
Speaker 5: up there. Nothing really castable. You know, it's pretty pretty.
Speaker 5: It's super duffy up there. I mean there's like a
Speaker 5: ten inch layer of red wooden cypress needles. And yeah,
Speaker 5: it's just it's it's just not great. There's there's some
Speaker 5: places was exposed to it, but there's they don't step there.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's a it's promising up there. Yeah, it's promising.
Speaker 4: Got to move a little closer to there though. When
Speaker 4: you get out, we're.
Speaker 5: Looking up there. Yeah, yeah, I mean we're looking all over.
Speaker 5: Be kind of. I want to be out of town
Speaker 5: just I want I want to I want to be
Speaker 5: where I can actually look out the back window and
Speaker 5: have a chance of seeing a squatch.
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, try to get up there or something. I mean,
Speaker 4: everywhere you go out of town it's gonna be good
Speaker 4: for you. What direction is bad? I guess directly west
Speaker 4: is bad because that's the ocean.
Speaker 2: But that's it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well right on, man, I hope everything keeps going
Speaker 4: smoothly with that.
Speaker 5: Well, I doubt it will, but we'll see you.
Speaker 4: Check out that new documentary from Small Town Monsters.
Speaker 5: Yet oh the NBC.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I did not bad, huh.
Speaker 5: It was cool. Yeah, it got released. We watched it
Speaker 5: like right when it got released. I was it only
Speaker 5: had like seventy views or something, and we watched it.
Speaker 5: By tim we were done watching it, there was like
Speaker 5: thirteen thousand views. Yeah.
Speaker 2: It's a very very well attended little thing there.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: And of course Bobo's in the documentary briefly gets some
Speaker 4: nice side shots of skinny bobes out in the woods
Speaker 4: with us.
Speaker 5: I love that kind of stuff. I'm in with my friends,
Speaker 5: like their little things, like like little background things or
Speaker 5: something like. It was like kind of like in a.
Speaker 2: B roll, uh huh.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: That was from some of our members videos for a
Speaker 4: couple of years ago. When you came up, we made
Speaker 4: a couple you know, museum does videos, as everybody knows,
Speaker 4: and Boba was in a couple of those.
Speaker 2: Those are clips from there.
Speaker 5: That's when I was getting my trailer right right.
Speaker 2: It was very good. Eli's films were awesome, you know.
Speaker 4: Speaking of Eli's films, I don't think I've spoken to
Speaker 4: you lately. But last Thursday was the premiere of The
Speaker 4: Ape Canyon The Siege of the Siege of Ape Canyon,
Speaker 4: the small Town Monster's production all about Mark Marcel and
Speaker 4: his research and work and stuff. It was also very
Speaker 4: very good, really enjoyable. I saw a lot of familiar
Speaker 4: faces in there. My favorite amongst them was Brad Brad Angus,
Speaker 4: who's Mark's kind of the next door neighbor. I can't
Speaker 4: say a research partner because he doesn't care about the research.
Speaker 4: He just likes hanging out with Mark. And as much
Speaker 4: of a muppet as Mark is, Brad is even more
Speaker 4: so in some ways. He cracked me up.
Speaker 5: Warren insane.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he's nuts, and you know. And then afterwards
Speaker 4: we went over to Mark Marcell's house because he has
Speaker 4: a house in on Town, Vancouver, and Catherine Jziara's wife
Speaker 4: and Mark was there and a few other people and
Speaker 4: we're sitting in on the back porch with as Craig
Speaker 4: Flippy was there, was hanging out with him, and then
Speaker 4: out of the darkness, out of the tangled bamboo thicket
Speaker 4: that is Mark Marcel's backyard, this figure comes holding an
Speaker 4: oil lantern up like above his head. Out of the darkness,
Speaker 4: and of course it's Brad Angus. He's carrying an oil
Speaker 4: lantern like a grave digger or something like that, out
Speaker 4: of the darkness and comes up and sits in the porch.
Speaker 5: It was awesome.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's just as awesome in person as he is
Speaker 4: on camera. So well, I got out for a quick overnighter.
Speaker 4: You know Michael, of course, who lives up by Port Angelis.
Speaker 4: Michael and his family have been out of town for
Speaker 4: a year. Let me back up a little bit, because
Speaker 4: Michael is one of the guests we had in the podcast.
Speaker 4: He is a long term witness. If you're a museum member,
Speaker 4: not a podcast member, but a museum member and maybe
Speaker 4: a podca. I don't remember Matt, they'll probably remember, but
Speaker 4: I've done a couple of videos at his house before.
Speaker 4: He had a very odd, very strange handprint on his
Speaker 4: roof after something slapped his house extraordinarily loud in the
Speaker 4: middle of the night and left a handprint eleven feet
Speaker 4: off the ground. I went up and did a follow
Speaker 4: up investigation, made a museum member video out of that,
Speaker 4: and then about two years ago I went to their
Speaker 4: property because they had been out of town for six
Speaker 4: or ten months or something like that. You see, Michael
Speaker 4: and his family are snowbirders, and for people who don't
Speaker 4: know what that is, they live in Washington and so
Speaker 4: during during the winter months they go to a different home.
Speaker 4: They have a different home down in southern California, so
Speaker 4: they go down there during the weather and then when
Speaker 4: they returned to Washington in the summertime, when the weather
Speaker 4: is perfect and lovely every single day. So that's what
Speaker 4: a snowbirder is. So last time, two years ago, I
Speaker 4: went to Michael's property right before they got home because
Speaker 4: they hadn't been home in a long time, and there
Speaker 4: were footprints on the property because Sasquatches cruised by their
Speaker 4: affair mount asked a footprint in the creek a few
Speaker 4: hundred yards from their house. It was great, it was great.
Speaker 4: But Michael called me recently and said, hey, we're coming
Speaker 4: back up in June, which means that we're going to
Speaker 4: be you know, trimming the brush on the property and
Speaker 4: cutting things back and you know, doing house stuff and
Speaker 4: making it more livable and all that jazz. So if
Speaker 4: you want to go look around for bigfoot evidence, you
Speaker 4: should do it soon.
Speaker 5: And so I did.
Speaker 4: I did that this past weekend, I just ran up
Speaker 4: for a quick overnighter out to the outskirts of Port Angelis, Washington,
Speaker 4: and sure enough, the sasquatches had been there, just not
Speaker 4: very recently. I found prints in the mulch pile over
Speaker 4: by the chicken coop where I found them last time.
Speaker 4: And underneath there you're familiar enough with the property, Bubba,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm talking about. Underneath the chicken coop
Speaker 4: on the hillside, there was a trackway going around down
Speaker 4: in there. I did not find a castable print. These
Speaker 4: were pretty old. The ones in the mulch pile were
Speaker 4: the best. And I don't know how old they are.
Speaker 4: I really don't because again I'll say it again, I'm
Speaker 4: not an expert tracker. I'm just kind of a hobbyist.
Speaker 4: But these things were at least two to four weeks old,
Speaker 4: maybe older. I'm not sure. They are pretty weather worn,
Speaker 4: but you can see them, and there was enough shape
Speaker 4: to them, especially in the toes, to indicate that it was,
Speaker 4: in my opinion, the same sasquatch that I cast the
Speaker 4: footprint of two years ago, the one that I think
Speaker 4: they well, they either call them Loki or the gardener.
Speaker 4: The Gardener is the big one walks around during the day,
Speaker 4: and Loki is the one that SLINKs around at night,
Speaker 4: so I'm not sure which one it is. But the
Speaker 4: prints are about sixteen inches long, so really cool trip.
Speaker 4: It was very quiet at night. I did the entire
Speaker 4: property because it's not a real big property. It just
Speaker 4: happens to be at the end of the road, you know,
Speaker 4: so it's pushed up against wild lands. You don't have
Speaker 4: to have like thirty acres to have bigfoots. You can
Speaker 4: have like an acre or two if you're in the
Speaker 4: right position and have sasquatch popping by. But I went
Speaker 4: out and walked the roads afterwards, and I didn't find
Speaker 4: any tracks. But man, I'm telling you, if you could
Speaker 4: get out there twice a week walk the roads, you
Speaker 4: would get some really nice prints eventually, because so much
Speaker 4: of the logging road substraight up there is just perfect
Speaker 4: for footprints. Man, it's just insane up there. But I
Speaker 4: was pretty pleased got some tracks, So I made a
Speaker 4: little museum video about that that'll be coming out this weekend. Well,
Speaker 4: it'll be coming out May thirty first, which is probably
Speaker 4: a couple of weeks ago. By the time this episode airs,
Speaker 4: but still a great time. Really nice to have that
Speaker 4: property accessible. So I know that you were there not
Speaker 4: that long ago, right, Yeah.
Speaker 5: I've been there a couple of times the last few months.
Speaker 5: But that's where I guess I can talk about it now.
Speaker 5: That's where I took those not to film, but just
Speaker 5: when those guys came in from England, the Daniel, the
Speaker 5: autistic here that made the video with RPG the movie.
Speaker 5: We went up there because I was staying up there,
Speaker 5: and I took those guys there because the night before
Speaker 5: I had some light knocking and I saw full eyes
Speaker 5: shine down and the exactly it turned out it was
Speaker 5: the exact spot where they've seen it, like the same
Speaker 5: like I take take photos and said in the Michael
Speaker 5: and uh, I was like, yeah, well you see like
Speaker 5: above this this post there that he goes, Dude, that's
Speaker 5: that's the hole in the foliage where we've seen the
Speaker 5: face and the body like in that in that that
Speaker 5: exact same little gap. I'm like, yeah, that's where it was.
Speaker 5: It was down there blinking at me and I heard him,
Speaker 5: you know, there's a little whistle knocks and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: And uh. And then when those guys came the next
Speaker 5: night they were there was two of them on the property,
Speaker 5: two small ones, I guess, but dude's total frickin Murphy's law.
Speaker 5: When we went, we went down, you're like, we went
Speaker 5: down towards the neighbor's house, like down the long driveway
Speaker 5: road we went. We went down that. Then we cut
Speaker 5: into the woodline. There's an old fire skid road whatever
Speaker 5: through there, and we were walking on kind of you know,
Speaker 5: getting over here or whatever, but we were that's where we
Speaker 5: were walking, and we heard we heard this just running
Speaker 5: up above us and it set up. And he has
Speaker 5: an alarm set up out there, so if you walk
Speaker 5: in certain parts of the property, like a full alarm
Speaker 5: goes off and the things set off the alarm as
Speaker 5: it ran. We heard it running like sprinting up above us,
Speaker 5: and then the alarm went off, and oh, my guy's
Speaker 5: got cameras out there, and the camera ran in front
Speaker 5: of of course had a full spiderweb of both the
Speaker 5: cameras that were that would have got it had full
Speaker 5: spiderwebs over the lens and you couldn't see anything. It
Speaker 5: was just like this flash of white heat, like like
Speaker 5: total no, it was just completely amorphous there was no
Speaker 5: shape to it at all. There's no identifiable arm leg
Speaker 5: or anything, but yeah, it was. That's a hot spot
Speaker 5: for sure.
Speaker 4: We know that that road when we filmed the Finding
Speaker 4: Bigfoot episode where I was what was Oh, Matt and
Speaker 4: I went to British Columbia and you and Renee were
Speaker 4: in Washington. Well after Matt and I were done filming
Speaker 4: and we came back down and we had like a
Speaker 4: kind of downtime while you and Renee were busy on camera,
Speaker 4: we had a little bit of downtime, I believe, or no,
Speaker 4: I think maybe I don't know, it's such a long
Speaker 4: time ago. I'm kind of forgetting. Maybe I was doing
Speaker 4: a camping segment. I think I was doing a camping
Speaker 4: segment for it or something. But I went to their
Speaker 4: property and I walked that old logging road and that's
Speaker 4: where I found that really odd tree break thing where
Speaker 4: a small I think it was a cedar tree had
Speaker 4: a branch coming out and the branch itself had been
Speaker 4: broken and then bent in a V shape and then
Speaker 4: hung on the same branch it was broken from. So
Speaker 4: that I believe made it on camera. So if anybody
Speaker 4: goes back to the Finding Bigfoot, episodes where we were.
Speaker 4: In the episode where we were in British Columbia and Washington,
Speaker 4: that little segment there was filmed on that same property,
Speaker 4: on Michael's property, or at least adjacent to it. So yeah,
Speaker 4: long history of stuff on that property and what he says,
Speaker 4: we should have Michael back on there just to give
Speaker 4: some updates. But then he's been mostly absent lately because
Speaker 4: he's been in the southern California for a little while.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know, give him a couple months
Speaker 4: and I'll have plenty of stories, I'm sure. And he's
Speaker 4: an avid listener actually too, so Hi Michael, who Hello,
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bogo.
Speaker 4: We'll be right back after these messages.
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Speaker 4: Enough of the catch up, let's get onto the regularly
Speaker 4: scheduled stuff. Matt Pruitt, you have anything to.
Speaker 2: Say, Yeah, we had a guest lined up, but there
Speaker 2: were some technical issues, so the guests couldn't make it,
Speaker 2: So we quickly are pivoting to this monthly Q and A.
Speaker 2: And usually when we do these, you know, I have
Speaker 2: some advanced notice and I curate all the questions and
Speaker 2: format the voicemails and format the written submissions, you know,
Speaker 2: listen to them. But since we pivoted last minute to day,
Speaker 2: literally while we were recording this intro, I have no
Speaker 2: idea what these voicemails are, what they're asking for, whether
Speaker 2: any of them or Frank calls. So let's find out together.
Speaker 4: Ooh, I love impromptu improvisation, little jazz here for you,
Speaker 4: a little jazz podcasting.
Speaker 2: So I'm just going to go in alphabetical order by name.
Speaker 2: And so the first voicemail here is from Andy. Hey, guys,
Speaker 2: it's Andy Walker.
Speaker 5: How are you.
Speaker 3: I'm up in Canada, in the Toronto area. So, first off,
Speaker 3: I notice that Matt has been doing a lot more
Speaker 3: on Mike engagement with you guys during the show in
Speaker 3: recent episodes, in this last sort of six months or so.
Speaker 3: I think that's really cool. He adds a really awesome
Speaker 3: dimension and adds a lot to the show. So, first
Speaker 3: of all, love that second of all, here's the question
Speaker 3: is how did Matt get involved with you guys, Like,
Speaker 3: do you remember the first time you met him and
Speaker 3: any interesting or fun stories around that. Was it on
Speaker 3: finding Bigfoot or was it somewhere else? And then beyond that, like, Matt,
Speaker 3: what was your impression of than Bobo when you first
Speaker 3: met him?
Speaker 5: What damn?
Speaker 2: I should say?
Speaker 3: And we'd love to hear sort of the origin story
Speaker 3: about how each one of you got to know each
Speaker 3: of the other ones.
Speaker 2: Anyway, thanks so much.
Speaker 3: For your hard work, guys, love it, watch it or
Speaker 3: listen to it, I should say every week anyway.
Speaker 5: One word to answer, grinder.
Speaker 4: And if you don't know Bobo, well, whenever he farts,
Speaker 4: he says, grind it. So I guess Bobo farted and
Speaker 4: Matt came running.
Speaker 2: I've actually never encountered at Bobo fart. Really, yes you have,
Speaker 2: if I had to think about it, I think I've
Speaker 2: only hung out with Bobo in person like eight or
Speaker 2: nine times since two thousand and nine, so over well
Speaker 2: over a decade, like fifteen years, sixteen years, I think
Speaker 2: only like less than ten times, which is quite sad. Really, yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think about it. I mean, some of
Speaker 2: those were like a week long because we were shooting
Speaker 2: the show, or like multiple days. But yeah, I'm just
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think. But yeah, I think there's ten
Speaker 2: or less.
Speaker 5: Wow, I guess, you know, I think about it. You're right,
Speaker 5: that's crazy.
Speaker 2: But I guess I'll let you guys answer. Since his
Speaker 2: first part of the question was pitched to YouTube.
Speaker 4: Oh's first part of the question is I love Matt.
Speaker 4: I think it's great. Well, I agree, I think the
Speaker 4: podcast is better for Matt Pruitt chiming in now. I
Speaker 4: suspect the first time I met you was the Sagoth thing. Yes, sir, Yeah,
Speaker 4: that'd be my guest. At least I remember having beers
Speaker 4: around the fire with you.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: If you want to hear the origin story, Andy, you
Speaker 2: should listen to our Remembering Bob Saggot episode which we
Speaker 2: recorded right after he passed away. But yeah, I met
Speaker 2: Cliff and Bobo filming an episode of a show. I
Speaker 2: actually met Bobo prior the year before at the first
Speaker 2: yeak him a big Foot round up, but it was
Speaker 2: very brief. We didn't get to really chat or anything,
Speaker 2: but I knew who he was because I watched the
Speaker 2: mysterious encounters on a regular basis when that season aired,
Speaker 2: and then I heard Bobo and Cliff on early blog
Speaker 2: talk radio shows like Let's Talk Bigfoot and what was
Speaker 2: Henry May's early one oh Crypto Thing, hbm's Crypto Corner,
Speaker 2: Crypto Corner. I was a guess, yeah it was. It
Speaker 2: was things like that. So I was very familiar with
Speaker 2: the Cliff and Bob. So then when I moved out
Speaker 2: to Washington, I met really for the first time, met
Speaker 2: them and hung out during that Sagath thing, and then
Speaker 2: Cliff asked me to come camping with him a few times,
Speaker 2: so I went down to Oregon several times. We had
Speaker 2: a blast. And then when the first Finding Bigfoot episode
Speaker 2: came around, one of the first ones that was greenlit,
Speaker 2: I had provided a lot of the information and the
Speaker 2: witnesses and the locations, and so Cliff, Bobo and Moneymaker
Speaker 2: pushed Ping Pong to hire me as the local fixer
Speaker 2: for that particular episode, and they did so, which I'm
Speaker 2: super surprised about, still very grateful for. So if you
Speaker 2: go back and listen to the Let's Watch Fighting Bigfoot
Speaker 2: Bigfoot Crossing in Georgia episode of this podcast and go
Speaker 2: back and listen to the Remembering Bob Saget episode. You'll
Speaker 2: get the full story there after the Sagat thing. When
Speaker 2: I worked on the show, we had a great time
Speaker 2: like filming in Georgia, and then was asked to do
Speaker 2: another episode for season three and had a great time
Speaker 2: hanging out there and kim visiting you guys filming in
Speaker 2: other places like Indiana and Tennessee over the years. But yeah,
Speaker 2: I've known Cliff and Bobo for a long time. We
Speaker 2: always talked a lot. Cliff and I have probably talked
Speaker 2: on the phone once a week the entire time we've
Speaker 2: known each other, even I think when you're on the road,
Speaker 2: we still kept in touch quite a bit. And then
Speaker 2: it was very fortunate for them to ask me to
Speaker 2: do like editing and producing and putting these episodes together.
Speaker 2: So I've been on almost every call. In the first
Speaker 2: year when we started this podcast, I was working a
Speaker 2: day job, and so if they recorded during the daytime,
Speaker 2: it wasn't on all those calls. But for the most part,
Speaker 2: I've been on every recording session, and then in the
Speaker 2: last three or four years have definitely been on just
Speaker 2: about every recording session, and it's been a great joy
Speaker 2: see this thing and grow and keep doing it.
Speaker 4: And he's an obvious choice for that sort of thing
Speaker 4: because he's organized, he's disciplined, which is something that I'd
Speaker 4: say Bobo and I are probably not as disciplined as
Speaker 4: Matt is in my opinion. And also he has a
Speaker 4: lot of sound experience being a musician and all that
Speaker 4: sort of stuff and the recording and everything. So yeah,
Speaker 4: he's just the obvious choice for editing and all that
Speaker 4: sort of stuff. And he's smart as hell too, and
Speaker 4: one of the smartest big footers alive, so I want
Speaker 4: to make sure that he had a hand in this.
Speaker 4: I remember back in the day Finding Bigfoot was the
Speaker 4: cast was populated by actors, like so many of these
Speaker 4: reality shows are. And I remember Todd, I think his
Speaker 4: name was, a guy who did quote unquote talent at
Speaker 4: a discovery. He said, yeah, we got actors, but it
Speaker 4: soon became very apparent they didn't know anything, so they
Speaker 4: actually decided to go plumb the Bigfoot community and got.
Speaker 2: Us four instead. So all very cool.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it sure helps to know what you're talking about
Speaker 4: with some experience if you're going to be doing a
Speaker 4: podcast which is literally nothing but talking. It's really a
Speaker 4: really good idea to have to say, you know, a
Speaker 4: handful of years or a decade or two under your
Speaker 4: belt before you start talking about stuff, you know, in
Speaker 4: my opinion.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and I owe a lot to both of
Speaker 2: you guys, Just so you know, I know I've said
Speaker 2: it in previous episodes, but it's probably been a while
Speaker 2: since I've said it, so I definitely need to remind,
Speaker 2: you know, if Andy's a newer listener doesn't know, like,
Speaker 2: I've been involved for a long time, but I'm very
Speaker 2: much a kind of a behind the scenes person, and
Speaker 2: so if I look back, you know, in the last
Speaker 2: several years, like the majority of like speaking events, or
Speaker 2: you know, a lot of the opportunities that have been
Speaker 2: extended to me were a direct result of like Cliff
Speaker 2: and Bobo's generosity. You know, Bobo recommended me for things,
Speaker 2: or Cliff recommending me for things. So you know, if
Speaker 2: there's any of those things that come my way, usually
Speaker 2: it's as a consequence of Cliff and Bobo just being
Speaker 2: generous and making the references or the referrals and passing
Speaker 2: that along. So I'm very very grateful, for sure.
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to look smart, recommend, and prove it.
Speaker 2: That's why you guys have top billing in the acknowledgements
Speaker 2: of the of the book.
Speaker 5: I was shocked when I read that. I was like,
Speaker 5: no way, I couldn't believe it.
Speaker 2: Well, it's true. You guys have a huge and loyal audience,
Speaker 2: and I'm very grateful to get to interact with them
Speaker 2: and help bring this show to them in any way possible,
Speaker 2: because it's super cool to see over the year. It's like,
Speaker 2: it's so crazy because you know, obviously I knew you
Speaker 2: guys before the show, but there's been many times when
Speaker 2: I've seen people come up to you that are huge fans,
Speaker 2: and I get struck with that all over again. There
Speaker 2: was one time, I think the first Gatlinburg conference. We
Speaker 2: had just arrived and it was the night before the
Speaker 2: conference and we were walking around, Me and Emily and Cliff.
Speaker 2: You remember the random woman saw you on the street.
Speaker 2: She didn't even know about the conference. She's like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, are you Cliff from finding Bigfoot? She started crying,
Speaker 2: and like Emily and I started crying. And so that's
Speaker 2: such a rare, special, awesome thing. And so for you
Speaker 2: guys to have me you know be able to bring
Speaker 2: that to people every week here, It's like, I never
Speaker 2: take that for granted. That's a super special thing, and
Speaker 2: so I love seeing all the outpouring of support that
Speaker 2: your audience continues to give you. For sure.
Speaker 4: Well, there's nothing that makes me happier than making people cry.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you that. I mean, I saw you know.
Speaker 2: I told this story. It might have been on a
Speaker 2: members episode. I don't think I told her on the
Speaker 2: main podcast. But when we filmed the Small Town Monsters
Speaker 2: show the Ancients, they were speaking with the Cherokee woman
Speaker 2: who was an indigenous. She carried on a lot of
Speaker 2: indigenous oral traditions, sort of like a local storyteller. So
Speaker 2: they were interviewing her about Sasquatch related stories. So everyone
Speaker 2: had cleared the area so they could do the one
Speaker 2: on one interview and it would be quiet. So when
Speaker 2: they brought us back up, I overheard her saying they
Speaker 2: asked her like, oh, you should speak at Bigfoot conferences.
Speaker 2: She's like, I don't really do that, but I went
Speaker 2: to one and I met Turtleman and they were like
Speaker 2: that's cool. She's like, well, the highlight of it is
Speaker 2: that I told Turtleman how much I loved Bobo, and
Speaker 2: Turtleman called him and got him on the phone. So
Speaker 2: I immediately pulled out my phone to call Bobo, and
Speaker 2: Bobo almost never answers my calls. So the Bobo answered
Speaker 2: and the first thing he said was, dude, to my
Speaker 2: late for the pod. And I was like, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: there's no pod today.
Speaker 5: You're on time.
Speaker 2: But I have someone who really was to talk to you.
Speaker 2: And I put him on the phone with her and
Speaker 2: she cried, you know, and we were all tearing up,
Speaker 2: like all of us because it made her so happy.
Speaker 2: So that's such a cool thing to see. Man. Every time,
Speaker 2: I'm like, man, that's just amazing. So but yeah, Andy,
Speaker 2: there's some old episodes of this podcast that will give
Speaker 2: you the deeper backstore, and they're very funny too, so
Speaker 2: I would definitely go listen to those.
Speaker 4: All right, let's go to the next question.
Speaker 2: All right, let's move on to Eric. See what Eric
Speaker 2: has to say.
Speaker 6: Hey, Cliff, Bobo, and Matt, this is Eric from Phoenix,
Speaker 6: and my wife and I grew up and lived our
Speaker 6: first part of our married life in Iowa. We then
Speaker 6: moved to Ohio. We then moved to Pennsylvania, then to Colorado,
Speaker 6: and we've been in Arizona the last ten years. And
Speaker 6: my question for each of you is, of those states Iowa, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Colorado,
Speaker 6: or Arizona, which do you think is the squatchiest and why?
Speaker 6: And the second question is which do you think is
Speaker 6: the most under rated states for sasquatch and why? I
Speaker 6: love finding Bigfoot. I enjoy the podcast, always fun discussion
Speaker 6: and a decent amount of humor.
Speaker 2: Thoroughly enjoy it. Well, I better let you go.
Speaker 6: I gotta get back to watching Bobo in his music
Speaker 6: video Keep it Squatchy, guys.
Speaker 4: Oh man, Iowa to Ohio, to Pennsylvania, to Colorado to Arizona.
Speaker 4: Man like, I don't know what you did to be
Speaker 4: running from the law, but what congratulations? A Seriously, Well,
Speaker 4: Iowa was a little less squatchy than others, I'll say that. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so that's the least squatchy I think, But for sure,
Speaker 4: I mean the squatchiest.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean, I think most people would say, ohiob but
Speaker 4: I think that the Ohio squatchiness is largely because there's
Speaker 4: so many bigfooters there. It's just overrun with squatchers in
Speaker 4: a lot of ways. So I'm going to go out
Speaker 4: in a limb and and and give a shout out
Speaker 4: to my wife's home state of Pennsylvania for the squatchiest
Speaker 4: because I love her so much. Because I think there
Speaker 4: are bigfooters in Pennsylvania, but the concentration is not there
Speaker 4: like it is in Ohio. And Ohio has such a
Speaker 4: historic legacy of bigfooters, starting with Don Keating and continuing
Speaker 4: to this day with all the conferences and all that
Speaker 4: sort of stuff. So socially speaking, Ohio is certainly the
Speaker 4: squatchiest state. But I think that I'm going to have
Speaker 4: to put my money on Pennsylvania because whatever bigfoots are
Speaker 4: in Ohio, there are also just as many in Pennsylvania
Speaker 4: because at Northwest Corner there is so so thick with
Speaker 4: the Alleghany National Forest and all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: That's my guess. Oh I was going to say, like,
Speaker 2: if I had to pick one of those, I love
Speaker 2: Colorado and some of my favorite stories come from there.
Speaker 2: But like, if I got relocated to one of those,
Speaker 2: I think I would choose Arizona because you could have
Speaker 2: year round warmth and super squatchy places to go to
Speaker 2: during the spring summer and fall. I know it gets
Speaker 2: snowy in the in those higher elevations, but even still,
Speaker 2: like in Colorado, you're not escaping Colorado would be my
Speaker 2: second pick, like near the south San Juans maybe, but
Speaker 2: it's cold in that state.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I would say Arizona's number two because Ohio and Pennsylvania
Speaker 4: to me are almost like eastern Ohio, Western Pennsylvania. It
Speaker 4: might as well be the same state.
Speaker 5: It is. Yeah, it's just like, yeah, it's like northern California,
Speaker 5: southern Oregon. You know, it's like same state. Yeah, but
Speaker 5: you go to La like you know, Crescent City compared
Speaker 5: to San Diego, it's a different.
Speaker 4: State, but their same boundary exactly, like northern California, southern Oregon.
Speaker 4: That's the state of Jefferson, my son. Yeah, and that's
Speaker 4: it's the same flights basically. So there may be some
Speaker 4: taxation differences, but it's the same place. And I feel
Speaker 4: the same about west western Pennsylvania and eastern Ohio.
Speaker 2: So yeah, so I think living in Arizona, as Eric
Speaker 2: does now, I think that's the place to be man
Speaker 2: because you can there's stuff to do year round, and
Speaker 2: you're not going to freeze and be man Isuelle. Well,
Speaker 2: but I love Colle. That's an amazing state. Lots of
Speaker 2: cool stories, lots of great areas, especially that whole South
Speaker 2: San Juan's like just amazing. But Arizona's pretty rad.
Speaker 5: Well.
Speaker 4: That's why I would put Arizona as the answer to
Speaker 4: his second half of the question, which is the most
Speaker 4: underrated state? Yeah, because everybody thinks it's all Phoenix, you know,
Speaker 4: it's all it's all desert and whatnot. It's not. It's
Speaker 4: not at all. There's really high altitudes. There's ski resorts,
Speaker 4: you know, by flag Staff. There's a lot of stuff
Speaker 4: on the north rim of the Grand Canyon for example.
Speaker 4: That means there are Sasquatches in the Grand Canyon. It's
Speaker 4: just a really great state with a big variety of
Speaker 4: habitat the Chusca Mountains all the way on the east side,
Speaker 4: you know, the White River Apache Reservation. I've been there
Speaker 4: before doing some Bigfoot stuff. It's just a fantastic varied
Speaker 4: habitat zone of squatchiness.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 4: So I think Arizona is the answer to the underrated
Speaker 4: side of that.
Speaker 5: I don't have to go into maybe on that one.
Speaker 5: Arizona's good too.
Speaker 4: I mean, I thought it was Iowa not on that list.
Speaker 5: I don't think he man. I think he's just saying
Speaker 5: what's the most underrated period?
Speaker 4: Oh I thought it was just that list. Okay, I
Speaker 4: was just choosing out of that list there.
Speaker 5: Sorry, on that list. Yeah, I guess Arizona would be
Speaker 5: the most underrated, but I think overall the of all
Speaker 5: the fifty states, the most underrated would be Indiana. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I would agree with that too. Yeah, if we open
Speaker 4: it up to all fifty. Yeah, stay tuned for more
Speaker 4: Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and Bobo. We'll be right
Speaker 4: back after these messages.
Speaker 7: Thy Cliff and Bobo. This is James from Illinois. I'm
Speaker 7: a big fan of the podcast. What are your thoughts
Speaker 7: about reported Yetti connection with the diat loft pass in
Speaker 7: the photo seventeen? I am a little sketchy on this
Speaker 7: particular theory, but I just wanted to see what your
Speaker 7: guys thoughts were.
Speaker 2: Thank you.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's totally fake. We know the film crew that
Speaker 5: we know some of the guys that works on the
Speaker 5: crew personally that made it. They roped in, like doctor
Speaker 5: Melgrim and the eyewitnesses. They were all legit and they
Speaker 5: thought they were doing because it was Discovery. They thought
Speaker 5: it was like, oh, Discovery. They didn't realize it was
Speaker 5: gonna like a Mermaid show. So yeah, it's a It
Speaker 5: was a meteorological phenomena.
Speaker 4: It was an avalanche, is what it was.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but it's caused by a crazy like downburst of
Speaker 5: winds that can go like two hundred and something miles
Speaker 5: an hour. That caused these avalanches, like over areas that
Speaker 5: shouldn't be steep enough to have an avalanche. Can you
Speaker 5: still have avalanches because of this very rare wind phenomena.
Speaker 5: That's what blew their tents down all that, that's what
Speaker 5: blew the tents so far. That's those guys up so bad. Yeah.
Speaker 4: About a year and a half ago, doctor Meldrum came
Speaker 4: to the North American Bigfoot Center and did a presentation.
Speaker 4: And when Jeff comes to the comes to town and
Speaker 4: does something special for the museum members, we film it
Speaker 4: and he also kind of breaks the mold a bit.
Speaker 4: He does kind of a best of sort of presentation
Speaker 4: where he bounces around from topic to topic to topic
Speaker 4: and Matt, weren't you at were you at that one?
Speaker 4: The one last year when he did the dal of
Speaker 4: Pass thing.
Speaker 2: I think he might have touched on it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he did like a ten minute segment
Speaker 4: on his involvement, and he commented that he was just
Speaker 4: basically interviewed about Yetti's, about just general YETI stuff, and
Speaker 4: then they edited him up. They franken bit him. Is
Speaker 4: what that's franken Biting is a film technique that you
Speaker 4: can basically make an interviewer say almost anything that you
Speaker 4: want them to by editing them in the right context
Speaker 4: and cutting up their words and stuff. Yeah, so they
Speaker 4: basically edited him to make it look like he was
Speaker 4: supporting the idea that YETI was responsible, And of course
Speaker 4: there was a photograph involved. But I mean, as doctor
Speaker 4: Meldrem pointed out in his presentation, you can see the
Speaker 4: ski marks in the ground leading up to where the
Speaker 4: person was. You can even see signs of him wearing
Speaker 4: a fanny pack or clothing or something like that, or
Speaker 4: him or her I'm not sure what the person was,
Speaker 4: but yeah, it's it's fake. Basically, it's some sort of
Speaker 4: bottom feeding production company trying to you know, shake the
Speaker 4: cage and run with some sort of idea about sasquatches
Speaker 4: or Yeti's. In this case, that is just false it
Speaker 4: is just false. It's unfortunate, but that's the state of
Speaker 4: television today. They don't care as long as you stayed
Speaker 4: through the commercial break. And these producers in la is stuff.
Speaker 4: They don't even think bigfoots or Yetti's are real at all.
Speaker 4: So to them, it's just just another bake story, I think.
Speaker 4: So that's my take on it, at least it's my opinion.
Speaker 4: But yeah, it is not yety related.
Speaker 2: In any stretch of the imagination.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Melogium was bombed. They put him in there. He
Speaker 5: was so chapped. He's like God linking me to this
Speaker 5: bs and yeah, but you can look it up. There's
Speaker 5: it's a it's a really rare. It has to be
Speaker 5: extremely cold, and like Siberia those kind of like Siberia
Speaker 5: is like the main place this happens, I guess, and
Speaker 5: it's it's it's rare, but it just the burners drops
Speaker 5: like eight hundred or whatever, like that's the exaggeration, but
Speaker 5: it drops way down and it just creates these intense
Speaker 5: winds that blow that create blizzards on like it could
Speaker 5: be like the slope of a wheelchair ramp and it
Speaker 5: can actually get avalanches going because of it. It's so
Speaker 5: such powerful wind.
Speaker 4: Yeah, there was an article just a few years ago.
Speaker 4: Some of you might be familiar with the Disney movie
Speaker 4: called Frost. I think, oh, Frozen, Frozen, Frozen, there you go, Frozen.
Speaker 4: I'm so sorry again I'm not familiar with it. But
Speaker 4: it was actually through the computer modeling that the animators
Speaker 4: were using to simulate snow movement that they pretty much
Speaker 4: solidified that that was an avalanche. It was actually through
Speaker 4: that movie that the scientists working on it, you know,
Speaker 4: through whatever hydrodynamics or whatever the name of the science
Speaker 4: would be, the studies the way snow the water moves.
Speaker 4: It was actually through the AI modeling or the physics
Speaker 4: modeling for that movie that they came to that conclusion.
Speaker 4: And then there's a paper written on it and the
Speaker 4: whole nine so you can read all about that. That's
Speaker 4: out there on internet land somewhere.
Speaker 2: So you're telling the Yedti hypothesis proponents to let it go,
Speaker 2: Let it go.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally. So I was completely I mean the Yedti
Speaker 5: angle was fabricated for sure.
Speaker 2: See what you guys don't know is that Emily has
Speaker 2: a niece and a nephew. So I've had to see Frozen,
Speaker 2: and the big song from that movie is called let
Speaker 2: It Go.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I see, I knew. I knew that had to
Speaker 4: be a joke because I recognize that the hopeful tone
Speaker 4: of your voice and the complete silence afterwards, and I'm
Speaker 4: so familiar with that from telling my jokes.
Speaker 2: Well, I didn't want to sing the melody because I
Speaker 2: don't want us to get a copyright strike just in case.
Speaker 2: Good point. Yeah, I doubt they would do that. But
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 5: Thing I know about that movie and song was I
Speaker 5: was downtown Arcade. It was like wintertime, was dark out,
Speaker 5: and the but I see HMP heavy metal pat like
Speaker 5: a block away, like it's down by the plaza. You know,
Speaker 5: it's like crowded, there's people all over the place, and
Speaker 5: the goala yeah, yell yeah. Then he starts singing like
Speaker 5: his glam metal screechy voice style like yeah, and I
Speaker 5: go and I'm like, what was that? He's all that's
Speaker 5: got it go? Full Frozen my favorite song lately.
Speaker 4: For as nearly as h MP is, there's a certain
Speaker 4: there's a certain like soft, inner, innocent core to him,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he he tries to show his sensitive side to girls,
Speaker 5: and he tries to get him back to his apartment
Speaker 5: so he can show him his Disney collection of films.
Speaker 2: He has every one of them. That's metal. Yeah, but
Speaker 2: that is a rebellious act, you know. It goes against
Speaker 2: the metal grain. So in a way like it is
Speaker 2: super metal, it's like meta metal. Yeah, meta metal, heavy,
Speaker 2: meta pat indeed.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I've also had to take many a trip to
Speaker 2: Disney World with with Emily's family over the last year,
Speaker 2: so I've heard that song multiple times despite never having
Speaker 2: seen the film.
Speaker 5: I I went to Disneyland the little week your brother retired,
Speaker 5: Cliff those two years ago, now a year and a half.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think you're the last person he signed in.
Speaker 5: I was. Yeah, God, I never going back to Disneyland. Man,
Speaker 5: that place. I just could stand it. Just the lines everywhere.
Speaker 5: It was so overprised and hot.
Speaker 2: And yeah it was crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah. I mean people were paying like I think a
Speaker 5: ticket was like one hundred and sixty bucks or something.
Speaker 5: It was crazy.
Speaker 2: This episode brought to you by Disney.
Speaker 4: Yeah, glowing reviews of everything Disney.
Speaker 2: So so let's see what Sean's question is.
Speaker 8: Hi there, this is Sean from the Unsquatchy of State
Speaker 8: in the lower forty eight, which is Nevada. I'm a
Speaker 8: longtime listener, first time caller, So my question is, eight
Speaker 8: to thirteen percent of the population of the world has
Speaker 8: a midtartal break in their foot. Have you met anybody
Speaker 8: with a mid tarsal break or cast as somebody with
Speaker 8: a mid tarsal break. I think this would help better
Speaker 8: understand the sasquatch is foot. It's something that's more in
Speaker 8: common with larger people, and perhaps Bobo has a mid
Speaker 8: tarsal break.
Speaker 5: Thank you and keep it squatchy.
Speaker 4: Well, have we met someone? Oh, statistically speaking, yes, I
Speaker 4: think all of us have. I'll meet a thousand people
Speaker 4: this coming weekend in Kentucky when I do that job.
Speaker 4: So yeah, if eight to thirteen percent, I'll probably meet
Speaker 4: fifty or one hundred or more. But am I aware
Speaker 4: of it? I don't know. Are they aware of it?
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I've never heard the.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's true. And is it a true mid
Speaker 4: tartal break, Yeah, sure it is. But I think that
Speaker 4: the something to keep in mind here is that, yeah,
Speaker 4: humans can definitely have fallen arches.
Speaker 2: They can have.
Speaker 4: It's a condition of the foot, right, But is their
Speaker 4: foot as flexible as that of a Sasquatch.
Speaker 2: I highly doubt it. I highly doubt it.
Speaker 4: You know, that'd be a good lesson for doctor Meldrum.
Speaker 4: He and I are doing that conference in Kentucky, which
Speaker 4: for Charlie Raymond this coming weekend, and I think we're
Speaker 4: actually sharing an airbnb, so I have a lot of
Speaker 4: FaceTime with Jeff there, so I will ask him about that.
Speaker 4: But I don't think that just because a human has
Speaker 4: fallen arches or has some sort of midfoot flexibility that
Speaker 4: it will it'll equal that of the Sasquatch.
Speaker 2: It's not the same feature because the technical definition is
Speaker 2: just to break between two planes of action, and so
Speaker 2: in the non human primates, it's a clear delineation from
Speaker 2: the propulsive aspect of the foot and the grasping per
Speaker 2: hinsile aspect of the foot, which is, you know, an
Speaker 2: adaptation for oar boreal animals. But in humans, like if
Speaker 2: you were to read those studies that he's referencing, talking
Speaker 2: about like roughly eight percent of the human population, it's
Speaker 2: associated with people with flat feet, you know, like Chlise said,
Speaker 2: fallen urshes, hyper pronation, or people with a higher BMI
Speaker 2: and so their feet flattened as the consequence of like
Speaker 2: excess weight. And so it's not like a flexibility between
Speaker 2: two planes of action in the same way, like as
Speaker 2: a foot that's evolved to flex in that way. It's
Speaker 2: the same technical term being used to describe two different
Speaker 2: biological phenomena, one of which is highly evolved, near of
Speaker 2: which is like a pathology. Almost does that make sense?
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it makes great sense. I couldn't have said
Speaker 4: it better. That's why we have you on the podcast,
Speaker 4: because you say what we want to say better.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Tom proved, Yeah, because I've seen that. There was
Speaker 2: a paper floating around. It gets very often like posted
Speaker 2: by skeptics as like, oh well, even if you find
Speaker 2: a track in the forests that shows a quote unquote
Speaker 2: vintarsal break, it could be this. It's like, now, this
Speaker 2: is These are very different features that a lot of
Speaker 2: people think. You know, I won't go too deep into it.
Speaker 2: I'll post I think one of your NABC videos that's
Speaker 2: on your YouTube channel covers this. But you know, there's
Speaker 2: a big difference between that flexibilit in the foot that
Speaker 2: occurs along you two different planes of access and a
Speaker 2: mid tarsal pressure ridge, which is an artifact. That's the
Speaker 2: consequence of the interaction with such a foot and the ground,
Speaker 2: or the interaction between such a foot in the ground.
Speaker 2: But a lot of people see the mid tarsal pressure
Speaker 2: ridge and think they're looking at a mid tarsal break.
Speaker 2: They think they're seeing a feature of the foot rather
Speaker 2: than like, no, that's the consequence of the interaction. The
Speaker 2: foot doesn't have this bindy hill or gap in it
Speaker 2: at all times. They're flat feet that just can interact
Speaker 2: in such a way that they leave that behind in
Speaker 2: consequence of the movement. But I know there's multiple videos
Speaker 2: of Meldrum lecturing on that point, and I think one
Speaker 2: of the videos that you have publicly available covers that
Speaker 2: when you're doing a deep dive into the Patterson tracks,
Speaker 2: and maybe one of the other.
Speaker 4: I think it's a specific northwest cast.
Speaker 2: That's what I was thinking. I just wanted to make sure.
Speaker 2: I'll post the links to both just in case. There
Speaker 2: you go, And then here is the final voicemail.
Speaker 9: Hi, Cliff and Bobo. My name is Matt and I'm
Speaker 9: from Cleveland, Ohio. I was the twenty four year old
Speaker 9: I'm twenty five years old now, but I had sent
Speaker 9: an audio message to you guys. Well, it was to
Speaker 9: Bobo about like which is scarier encountering a ghost or
Speaker 9: encountering a sasquatch. So anyway, I decided to come back
Speaker 9: with another question. My question for you guys is I
Speaker 9: was listening to a cryptid podcast and they were talking about,
Speaker 9: like the screams that the sasquatches make a woman being
Speaker 9: murdered in the woods is what a lot of people
Speaker 9: describe it as. And the guests on the podcast was
Speaker 9: saying that maybe they do it as like a way
Speaker 9: they try to lure you into the woods, kind of
Speaker 9: like a woman in trouble would cause you to go
Speaker 9: out in the woods and see what's wrong. But I
Speaker 9: wanted to hear your guys' opinion on why they scream
Speaker 9: like that and see if you guys know why they
Speaker 9: do that or have any theories as to that. And
Speaker 9: like I said before, keep a squashy all right. Well,
Speaker 9: first thing I would say, Matt, thank you very much
Speaker 9: for both your questions. I remember that ghost sasquatch question.
Speaker 9: That's a great one, And as.
Speaker 4: Far as this one is concerned, first thing I'd like
Speaker 4: to point out before we get into anything about the
Speaker 4: sasquatch thing is that there are other things in the
Speaker 4: woods that sound just like a woman being murdered, and
Speaker 4: those would be cats. Basically, mountain lions and bobcats both
Speaker 4: make that sound. I've heard it myself from my own property,
Speaker 4: and I'm sure Bobo and probably Matt also have heard it,
Speaker 4: you know as well, I'm guessing, but mountain lions and
Speaker 4: bobcats sound just like a woman shrieking in the woods
Speaker 4: in pain and agony. So one of the things I
Speaker 4: would recommend is that when you listen to other podcasts
Speaker 4: and you listen and you hear or you listen to
Speaker 4: TV shows or any of these things about and I
Speaker 4: had to be a sasquatch that sounds like a woman
Speaker 4: being murdered. Remember that most people are not very familiar
Speaker 4: with scary forest noises, and a lot of people jump
Speaker 4: to the bigfoot conclusion even when it's not bigfoot. And
Speaker 4: I don't know what podcast this was, it doesn't really matter.
Speaker 4: You know, anybody can be mistaken. But keep that in mind.
Speaker 4: Number one, there's a lot of misidentifications. Maybe it wasn't
Speaker 4: a sasquatch at all, which puts the second part of
Speaker 4: that question, like our sasquatch is doing with the intention
Speaker 4: of luring you in the woods, keeping in mind that
Speaker 4: it might very well be a mountain lion. Do you
Speaker 4: think that's a reasonable question to ask about a mountain lion.
Speaker 4: Are mountain lions making that sound to lure you into
Speaker 4: the woods. It actually makes more sense than sasquatches doing
Speaker 4: that to lure you into the woods, because at least
Speaker 4: a mountain lion would eat you, whereas sasquatches probably wouldn't
Speaker 4: do that sort of thing. They don't seem to be
Speaker 4: predatory on humans at all. But I don't think that
Speaker 4: there's any intentionality of that sort of level with sasquatches.
Speaker 4: I don't think when they're screaming or yelling or whooping
Speaker 4: or whooping or knocking or even you know, gibber jabbering
Speaker 4: to each other or imitating human voices, that is necessarily
Speaker 4: it's to lure into the woods. I don't think that's
Speaker 4: what's behind it at all. I would speculate that under
Speaker 4: the best circumstances, well, most likely it's probably the sasquatch
Speaker 4: just communicating to another sasquatch in the area something, whether
Speaker 4: it's a knock or yell or anything.
Speaker 5: Like that.
Speaker 4: The times I'm aware of when a witness has observed
Speaker 4: a sasquatch scream or shriek is generally during an encounter,
Speaker 4: right before the sasquatch leaves the area. I would think
Speaker 4: that most likely that's just a sasquatch shrieking letting the
Speaker 4: other sasquatches in the neighborhood know that something is up,
Speaker 4: and then leaving, because that's what we would want to do.
Speaker 4: But the intentionality of implied in like you know, I'm
Speaker 4: going to lure you into I don't think that's them
Speaker 4: at all in any stretch of the imagination. I could
Speaker 4: be wrong, But what do you guys think, Matt and Bobo.
Speaker 2: Well, if you've ever heard the vixen scream of a fox,
Speaker 2: the sound that female foxes produced, they're very human like.
Speaker 2: It's not quite like a person in pain or agony,
Speaker 2: but it does sound like a very alarmed or fright human.
Speaker 2: So there's other culprits that can make human like. The
Speaker 2: first time I ever heard one of those, I thought
Speaker 2: it was a kid, like a kid screaming. That was
Speaker 2: a long time. I was real young in North Georgia
Speaker 2: before I got into squatching or anything like that, but yeah,
Speaker 2: the big cat sounds big and small bobcats and mountain lions.
Speaker 2: You know, you can look those up on YouTube and
Speaker 2: hear examples of that, and you'll understand why people say that.
Speaker 2: Where I grew up, they described the sounds the same way,
Speaker 2: but always attributed it to mountain lions, you know, which
Speaker 2: were extirpated from the southern Appalachians. But when you're from there,
Speaker 2: like everyone's like, oh yeah, they're still around. You can
Speaker 2: hear them. I sound like a woman being murdered. And
Speaker 2: so at some point that got transmuted into sasquatches, where
Speaker 2: it's like most people tell you whoops and knocks, but
Speaker 2: the big sasquatch calls that most people here are big, bellowing,
Speaker 2: moaning house, very deep and lower and register. They don't
Speaker 2: sound like a high pitched shriek.
Speaker 5: They're that big.
Speaker 2: The sort of intro finding Bigfoot emulates, you know, Bobo
Speaker 2: imitates that sound money maker does it sounds to sound
Speaker 2: I make, and nobody would mistake that for a woman.
Speaker 5: I think that they've been the crying babies. They've they've
Speaker 5: done it outside like women women's that are home alone,
Speaker 5: like in the tree line, like trying to lure them
Speaker 5: out like that. I've heard tons of stories. Now. Whether
Speaker 5: that's what they're trying to do, I don't know, but
Speaker 5: people that have experienced it seemed pretty convinced that that
Speaker 5: was what was going on.
Speaker 4: Stay tuned for more Bigfoot and Beyond with Cliff and
Speaker 4: Bobo will be right back after these messages. Well, you know,
Speaker 4: it brings to mind that story that Derek Randalls tells
Speaker 4: about Grover Krantz suggested to Derek that he take a
Speaker 4: tape recorder into the woods and play baby noises, you know,
Speaker 4: babies crying, and I think all of us here have
Speaker 4: probably done that. It's very unnerving. I'm not going to
Speaker 4: do that again because it's there's something deeply genetically unpleased
Speaker 4: about that to me at least, But yeah, Derek did it.
Speaker 4: He went solo backpacking in the Blue Mountains and played
Speaker 4: that stuff at midnight and it worked. One came down,
Speaker 4: and he knows it was a sasquatch because not only
Speaker 4: did it come down like a train out of the
Speaker 4: woods and stand behind this big brush pile or whatever,
Speaker 4: but it left sixteen inch tracks there and he saw those.
Speaker 4: The next morning. We got to get Derek on to
Speaker 4: tell that story. At some point he said he'd come on.
Speaker 4: By the way, I'm just having a hard time narrowing
Speaker 4: him down. But we will see about that. Maybe I'll
Speaker 4: get him on the next month or something. I'll start
Speaker 4: pestering him again. But still the sasquatch was drawn to
Speaker 4: the baby crying. Could it be that just baby sasquatches
Speaker 4: sound like peoples or baby people's you know, I don't know,
Speaker 4: and so maybe it's not luring them out. Maybe these
Speaker 4: sounds that people are hearing are actually baby sasquatches, you know,
Speaker 4: throwing a fit for its mother or father or or
Speaker 4: siblings or something like that. I know, there's a lot
Speaker 4: of speculation here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good point. And just the fear of
Speaker 2: being lured is a common motif with you know, the
Speaker 2: the archetypal wild man stories, and you hear that in
Speaker 2: Apple Acta like don't follow, the sound of whistling in
Speaker 2: the woods, don't follow, you know, the sound of k
Speaker 2: docking in the woods, et cetera, et cetera. So that's
Speaker 2: a pretty common fear, I think, and I think you
Speaker 2: see variations of that manifested in things like King Kong,
Speaker 2: for example, like, well, yeah, it's one thing to get
Speaker 2: eaten and your life ends in a flash. It's even worse,
Speaker 2: like if it takes you and keeps you, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean. So that's a pretty ancient fear.
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, look at Bobo when he was getting those
Speaker 4: calls from the police department and what in the Hillsborough
Speaker 4: or remember that we're not Hillsborough. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: look at Bobo when he was getting those calls from
Speaker 4: the police department down in Sonoma. He thought it was
Speaker 4: a trap.
Speaker 2: I drive people to that episode all the time. That's
Speaker 2: one of my favorite Bobo stories of all time. And
Speaker 2: the fact that there's like news stories and pictures. What
Speaker 2: did you say, Bobo, You thought I thought they were
Speaker 2: trying to give you a free bass boat.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's some sort of irs trap.
Speaker 2: You're not catching me. They wanted to give you an award.
Speaker 4: I'm not falling for that.
Speaker 2: I will have to repost that picture because it's a
Speaker 2: great picture.
Speaker 4: Oh it's great, it's great, And you know, it's that
Speaker 4: fear again. Boba was worried about being lured in and
Speaker 4: captured to never escape again.
Speaker 2: The eighth Wonder of the World. Well, that's it for
Speaker 2: the voicemails, and we do have some written ones here,
Speaker 2: and again, folks, I'm sorry to have to read these out.
Speaker 2: Usually i'd take them because they come in via email
Speaker 2: and have to format them a certain way so that
Speaker 2: they go into our chat interface here. So I'm just
Speaker 2: going to read a couple of these. This one I
Speaker 2: really like. I think this is a cool and good
Speaker 2: thought experiment. So this comes from Jack Smith, and Jack
Speaker 2: says love the podcast, and I look forward to having
Speaker 2: the new and available every week, and I really enjoy
Speaker 2: the bonus episodes. With all the new technology that's come
Speaker 2: about recently in the paranormal field, it seems like advancements
Speaker 2: are being made with this in mind. If you could
Speaker 2: develop a new piece of technology for hunting sasquatch, what
Speaker 2: features would your clo bat one oh one contain? And
Speaker 2: why keep the great podcast coming and keep it squatchy.
Speaker 4: I wonder if that question implies that there's progress being
Speaker 4: made in technology or progress being made in the paranormal field.
Speaker 2: Well, I think he means in technology, because you know,
Speaker 2: people are always rolling out new things to try to
Speaker 2: document ephemeral phenomena.
Speaker 4: Okay, as long as this technology, I'll agree with that,
Speaker 4: because I'm not so sure any progress is being made
Speaker 4: in the paranormal stuff just seems like a bunch of
Speaker 4: hooha to me. But as far as what I would
Speaker 4: want in a piece of technology, I think a real
Speaker 4: simple thing was like a game camera that is that's
Speaker 4: super super small, or maybe in a game camera that
Speaker 4: has some sort of fiber optic lens extension, maybe you
Speaker 4: bury the box or whatever that holds the batteries and
Speaker 4: the cart and all that stuff underground and you just
Speaker 4: run a wire up up the tree or in the
Speaker 4: motion sensor up I don't know, something like that, like
Speaker 4: some sort of a periscopic, fiber optic, small, easily hid
Speaker 4: low emf radiation sort of game camera I think would
Speaker 4: go a long ways and make those about twenty bucks.
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially if it could if it saw and responded
Speaker 2: to heat signatures, like if it was a thermal game camera,
Speaker 2: and if instead of mounting it to a tree, you
Speaker 2: could just drive it into the ground and it could
Speaker 2: spin three point sixty and respond to sound. So if
Speaker 2: it's looking one direction and a sound occurs behind it,
Speaker 2: it just goes and focuses that way, because you know
Speaker 2: there's there's pros and cons, Like I love being in
Speaker 2: the field, but I can't be out there twenty four
Speaker 2: to seven, and a game camera can. And a game
Speaker 2: camera you know it's never gonna get tired or sleepy
Speaker 2: or hungry. But you know, a game camera can't look
Speaker 2: over its shoulder if there's a sound behind it, Like
Speaker 2: it's just a fixed point of view, you know, a
Speaker 2: fixed direction. I think if I was designing the Clobat,
Speaker 2: you know, ultimate field device, I would want a waterproof,
Speaker 2: like dual night vision thermal imaging handheld unit with like
Speaker 2: high powered microphone's mounted to the front of it, so
Speaker 2: it's like an all in one video thermal audio recorder
Speaker 2: that is also waterproof. And it should run on double
Speaker 2: a's or triple A lithium, so it doesn't have a
Speaker 2: proprietary battery that you have to keep pulling out and recharging.
Speaker 2: You can just swap batteries out in the field and
Speaker 2: it would record on SD cards, so you don't ever
Speaker 2: have to worry about a hard drive being full. And
Speaker 2: it could be like a squirt gun full of hydrocows.
Speaker 2: So if you go across the track and just put
Speaker 2: it at the ground and squirt plaster into it.
Speaker 5: What was the exact questioning input.
Speaker 2: If you could develop your own like piece of technology
Speaker 2: specifically for trying to document sasquatches, what would it be,
Speaker 2: what features would have? What would it be?
Speaker 5: I'd want like what we talked about before, like Builder
Speaker 5: Innis's van, like with the periscoping. Well, you know, one
Speaker 5: thing I learned about like the Archie D units the thermals,
Speaker 5: like the old thermals that it's like looks like Archie
Speaker 5: dts had that spins around like and you control with
Speaker 5: a joystick inside the vehicle. And when we were down
Speaker 5: in the red was the very first BFR expedition. I
Speaker 5: was that guy. He's from West Virginia. That the military
Speaker 5: guy that was in the trains. Remember that dude.
Speaker 4: I do remember that dude. I remember his name though. Yeah,
Speaker 4: he saw one in the Redwoods there.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, stand right nextly when it happened. I didn't.
Speaker 5: I didn't actually see it, but I was. I was.
Speaker 5: I was looking at it was dark, I couldn't see
Speaker 5: what with the thermal had on there. But he he flipped,
Speaker 5: He's like, oh my god. He wasn't recording it unfortunately,
Speaker 5: because it was back when he had the separate DVR,
Speaker 5: like a home DVR from like your house with your
Speaker 5: TV that he had one of those. And but when
Speaker 5: it was walking, he was thurming it. We were sitting
Speaker 5: there talking like everything was fine, Like it didn't even
Speaker 5: wasn't phased by us at all being there talking because
Speaker 5: it was so dark. It was just you know, walk
Speaker 5: And then he hit the joystick to make the archidu
Speaker 5: like you know, it's like you know, it's a wound
Speaker 5: up spun cable that you know, spos soons it around
Speaker 5: so he can face you know, north southeast west of
Speaker 5: the camera from inside WITHOU getting out to adjust it.
Speaker 5: And when he hit that little little joystick to make
Speaker 5: the camera panel to the left, it goes in that sound.
Speaker 5: Its head snapped overlooked at us, and it didn't even
Speaker 5: break shrot. I just spun on its heel with like
Speaker 5: with no like interruption in motion and walked directly back
Speaker 5: where it came from, like just walked a little faster
Speaker 5: and looked back over at us a couple of times.
Speaker 5: So I would do I would maybe want well like
Speaker 5: full three D coverage, like three sixty coverage from like
Speaker 5: the periscope, like maybe have like multiple little camp uh
Speaker 5: whatever like lipstick cameras whatever up there going around and
Speaker 5: maybe then have one and it had to be one
Speaker 5: of those new those killer like military style where it's
Speaker 5: night vision. It's like infrared thermal and that color that
Speaker 5: color flipping lens. Thing like one hundred and eighty grand
Speaker 5: or something from the military pays for him. But it's incredible.
Speaker 5: You can you can see everything out in the woods
Speaker 5: and it looks like daylight. I want one of those
Speaker 5: on top that I could that I could, like, you know,
Speaker 5: maybe have it on a like extend up a little
Speaker 5: higher above the ones that are all fixed positions. I
Speaker 5: want fixed position camera coming to three sixty degree like
Speaker 5: that that i'd have on this van or whatever. Have
Speaker 5: parabolic dishes pointing like you know, have like four of
Speaker 5: them out there, like pointing in all different directions. Just
Speaker 5: just as much three sixty covers as possible, and something
Speaker 5: that you can hide inside and just sit inside of
Speaker 5: the curtains drawn and you know, monitor all your stuff
Speaker 5: from there.
Speaker 2: I think we're thinking too small here, I really do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that.
Speaker 4: I think what we need is a fleet of microdrones
Speaker 4: powered by cold fusion or something like that, so you
Speaker 4: never have to refuel them piloted by AI, so they
Speaker 4: work together and coordinate with daylight night vision on them
Speaker 4: patrolling an area before us several miles on a twenty
Speaker 4: four hour a day basis, and when they get a
Speaker 4: heat signature in and have an eight and you know,
Speaker 4: just like a rob is doing out out there with
Speaker 4: his drones, developed some sort of computer script to identify
Speaker 4: animals by their signature, by their looks. And this technology
Speaker 4: already exists. There's companies that do this and anything human
Speaker 4: like at all, they follow and film and then that
Speaker 4: is beamed back to a headquarters, so to speak, and
Speaker 4: recorded constantly.
Speaker 2: Oh, I'll do you one better. So then when it
Speaker 2: finds the sasquatch, you know how your phone blasts an
Speaker 2: IR light to do your face scan for face recognition,
Speaker 2: you could have the drones swarm that thing three sixty
Speaker 2: and scan it as it's moving, and from which you
Speaker 2: could render a highly detailed three D model of it
Speaker 2: moving and say this is what. So not only would
Speaker 2: you film it optically and thermally, but you'd also have
Speaker 2: like a three D scan frame by frame of it
Speaker 2: as it's walking, so you could study the biomechanics in
Speaker 2: a three D model from any angle. So once like
Speaker 2: a drone or two hits it, like all hundred or
Speaker 2: five hundred of them, just swarm, make a big or
Speaker 2: three sixty around it. Just scanning, scanning, scanning, following it
Speaker 2: as it's you know, running away and probably swatting at
Speaker 2: them like flies.
Speaker 4: There you go, all right, so get on that.
Speaker 2: And I found the perfect question to end on going
Speaker 2: through our question submissions, this one's pretty good. I know
Speaker 2: this person's a member of ours, but he sent it
Speaker 2: to the email, so I'm assuming this is for the
Speaker 2: main show. But this one's too good to not include.
Speaker 2: So it's from our good Man woodbooger James, and he says,
Speaker 2: I've got a question for Bobo. You're a roady for
Speaker 2: the crew on the Girls, Girls, Girls Tour. It's just
Speaker 2: thirty minutes till the boys perform. You discover that Vince
Speaker 2: has a dry throat and needs more lemon and honeywater.
Speaker 2: But NICKI just ran out of Aquinet and his luscious
Speaker 2: locks are starting to sag. You only have enough time
Speaker 2: to help one of them. Who do you choose? No question, Nicki,
Speaker 2: the hair is more important than the lead vocal.
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, there's a lot of singers. There's not many
Speaker 5: guys with freaking Nikki six or Tommy Lee Hare. That's true.
Speaker 2: And it's not like Vince is like the greatest singer
Speaker 2: of all time anyway.
Speaker 5: Right exactly, Like he's always kind of been bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it ain't like he's Freddie Mercury or Steve Perrier
Speaker 2: aty those dudes. You know, he'll be all right.
Speaker 5: He came to Humble like ten years ago, like when
Speaker 5: the show is like really popular and popping, and he
Speaker 5: played up at the Indian Casino up here in Trinidad.
Speaker 5: The try does want me to come up there? You're like,
Speaker 5: you know, and they're like, come up, you know, we
Speaker 5: want to And I said, hey, you know what I
Speaker 5: could Vince Neil show is coming and it sold out,
Speaker 5: you know, could you get me a couple of passes?
Speaker 5: And they so they gave me, like me plus three
Speaker 5: and palell and I went up there and my buddy
Speaker 5: drove picked up had like a limo service up here,
Speaker 5: and he picked up Vince Neil at the airport and
Speaker 5: drove him to the casino, which is only like seven
Speaker 5: minute drive or six minute drive or something, but he
Speaker 5: had to pull over lit him puke twice, just sweat
Speaker 5: pouring out everywhere, and he couldn't sing very good and
Speaker 5: his voice went out, and it was pretty awesome.
Speaker 4: Those guys live hard man or lived hard. I don't
Speaker 4: know if they're still doing that or not. Probably not.
Speaker 2: You don't do that for too long. This episode brought
Speaker 2: to you by Vince Neil.
Speaker 5: You think they're a jogging and stuff like that, I'm pretty.
Speaker 2: Sure cleaned up a little bit.
Speaker 5: Huh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a good question for Booger James,
Speaker 2: so uh, because it's a it's a good thought experiment,
Speaker 2: a good scenario. He painted a picture. You know, I
Speaker 2: felt like I was there and uh and now we
Speaker 2: know it's not a mystery. Who Bobo would help?
Speaker 5: Thanks boog Yeah, good question. If you got I'd get
Speaker 5: him an hot when I was I'd give him an
Speaker 5: h ot and uh and then hair spray.
Speaker 2: You might have to remind the listeners what the hot
Speaker 2: is holl oil treatment.
Speaker 4: I didn't know what that was when I when I
Speaker 4: was first exposed to Bobo on the road.
Speaker 2: Was that a regular occurrence on the road?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: We had to go find him and we had like
Speaker 4: we're the hell you're gonna get an hot on like
Speaker 4: you know, hot oil treatment and Prince of Wales Island
Speaker 4: or somewhere. You know, the answer is maybe not Prince
Speaker 4: of Wales's Island, but I think more times than not,
Speaker 4: the answer was Walmart. I remember going to Walmart with
Speaker 4: you in North Carolina, I think it was or Georgia,
Speaker 4: one of those two places the very beginning of the
Speaker 4: show because you hadn't need an hot and I didn't
Speaker 4: know what that was. If I went along with you
Speaker 4: because I needed to go shopping, and uh, we went
Speaker 4: to Walmart.
Speaker 2: You got your hair done.
Speaker 5: Dude, that was the best Walmart. Like we were scoring
Speaker 5: like those Walmarts. Like when I found out they had
Speaker 5: hots in the Walmart, you go in there and get
Speaker 5: your hair done. It was so bitch and.
Speaker 2: I didn't know these happened at Walmarts. That's amazing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's our fan base at Walmart.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you get any free hots? Anybody recognize you
Speaker 2: in the chair?
Speaker 5: They gave you like all free like whatever, like free shave.
Speaker 5: Well that was a different spot, actually that was I
Speaker 5: got a I got a free haircut with like the
Speaker 5: straight edge razor clean up around the size. When I
Speaker 5: was in at the first Nebraska Bigfoot Conference. That guy
Speaker 5: hooked me up.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 5: Actually it was a woman, but it was like a
Speaker 5: men's place, hair hair place, and yeah, she make that.
Speaker 5: I love that straight edge. It was the old cowboy style,
Speaker 5: just like drag that open blade along you and yeah
Speaker 5: it was. It was awesome.
Speaker 2: You are always like very clean shaven. I've never seen
Speaker 2: you like disheveled with like a throat beard. You're always
Speaker 2: You're always very clean and like beach ready.
Speaker 5: Oh dude, if I could grow a beard, I would,
Speaker 5: but they whenever I don't shave. It's just it's just
Speaker 5: so about. Like sometimes I'll rock like a little kind
Speaker 5: of go to the starter kid or something, you know,
Speaker 5: for a month or something, or like when they do
Speaker 5: that November man bush thing whatever, you grow a mustache
Speaker 5: man bush thing. Yeah, yeah, I've done. I've done some
Speaker 5: pretty cheesy little mustaches.
Speaker 2: Tried to blitted with the cops so they don't catch
Speaker 2: you lower youd.
Speaker 5: You know how it goes for it?
Speaker 4: First here, well, you know, we got a members episode
Speaker 4: to go do. Maybe we should go hop on there,
Speaker 4: let's do it.
Speaker 2: We got a couple of voicemails from members and a
Speaker 2: bunch of written questions too.
Speaker 5: Well all right, Well that's it, folks. Those are monthly
Speaker 5: listeners submitted submitted questions. We always enjoy those, so you
Speaker 5: can leave a voicemail or writing a question with the
Speaker 5: down on the links down below. We appreciate it. So
Speaker 5: until next week, y'all, keep it squatchy.
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