Speaker 1: Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week
Speaker 1: covering the twenty twenty four film Alien Romulus.
Speaker 2: Welcome to space now.
Speaker 3: I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the
Speaker 3: Alien franchise one movie at a time, and we have
Speaker 3: just returned from the theater having watched the newest release,
Speaker 3: Alien Romulus.
Speaker 2: Whooee.
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Speaker 3: And we're also going to continue to put out Alien
Speaker 3: content as we work through the rest of the movies,
Speaker 3: so we're only focusing on Alien Romulus today. Since this
Speaker 3: is a new release, BB, I thought what we would
Speaker 3: do is do like a quick spoiler free vibe checks okay,
Speaker 3: and then we'll go into We'll sound the spoiler alarm
Speaker 3: as we go through the rest of the movie so
Speaker 3: we can talk about the actual plot. Yeah, and any
Speaker 3: of the other movies as well, because it does reference
Speaker 3: a lot of the other movies. I want to be
Speaker 3: able to talk about all of them. Okay, So this
Speaker 3: is Alien Romulus, which premiered on August sixteenth, twenty twenty four,
Speaker 3: written by Fetti Alvarez and Rodo's Sayaguays, and directed by
Speaker 3: Feedti Alvarez. In this movie, while scavenging the deep ends
Speaker 3: of a dere like space station, a group of young
Speaker 3: space colonizers come face to face with the most terrifying
Speaker 3: life form in the universe. That is the spoiler free
Speaker 3: promotional summary.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, ve check.
Speaker 1: Did we like the movie overall? How will extend the
Speaker 1: Test of Time?
Speaker 3: All right? Without revealing the plot details, how'd you like
Speaker 3: the movie?
Speaker 2: I thought it was good. I liked it. I thought
Speaker 2: it was interesting, and it definitely had a lot of
Speaker 2: like aspects of it that we don't get in the
Speaker 2: other films when it comes to like character development that
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed. And the twist at the end is
Speaker 2: fucking crazy, Like you have to watch it just for
Speaker 2: that last twist. That's my spoiler free version of it. Yes,
Speaker 2: so I liked it, and I would recommend people watch
Speaker 2: it if they're fans of the franchise or if they're
Speaker 2: fans of like sci fi or horror.
Speaker 3: I really, I really enjoyed it. I thought like I
Speaker 3: was nervous. I'm just like, man, just like, please let
Speaker 3: it be decent. But because I mean, we've we've watched
Speaker 3: a few of these now we've recorded Aliens and Alien three,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I was really hoping they could just,
Speaker 3: you know, get this franchise kind of back on track
Speaker 3: from it's been kind of all over the place, and
Speaker 3: this was a nice return to kind of thematically to
Speaker 3: like the first movie, and it brings in a lot
Speaker 3: of elements from all the movies, and yeah, it has
Speaker 3: that sort of the vibe of the movie of just
Speaker 3: being focused on this small crew of people. And I
Speaker 3: don't want to say much more about that, but yeah,
Speaker 3: then the third act gets weird.
Speaker 2: And I love it. I love it. I think it's
Speaker 2: fucking bizarre, but in the best way. It's like little
Speaker 2: like just disgusting, little nibblets of like this idea of
Speaker 2: science fiction and like human development, and that's all I'm seeing.
Speaker 2: I'm also it's great, it's great.
Speaker 3: It's weird. I don't really know what to make of
Speaker 3: that final act, but.
Speaker 2: It's great, So go and watch it just so you
Speaker 2: can watch the end because it's really good for that part.
Speaker 2: And I'm excited for it to come out on streaming
Speaker 2: or whatever because things don't go to DVD anymore.
Speaker 3: So I was very happy with it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, me too.
Speaker 3: So if you haven't seen it yet, please see it,
Speaker 3: whether in the theater or whenever you have an opportunity.
Speaker 3: It does. It stands alone. You can watch it without
Speaker 3: really any context. You'll definitely benefit from having seen at
Speaker 3: least the original movie. And it does pull elements from
Speaker 3: believe all the movies. So that is that. So we're
Speaker 3: going to go into the trivia section and there's going
Speaker 3: to be some little bit of spoilers in there. Then
Speaker 3: we're going to go into the whole film. So this
Speaker 3: is your time to jump out of the airlock and
Speaker 3: then come back after you've seen the movie.
Speaker 1: Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Alien Romulus.
Speaker 3: So, after the acquisition of twenty first Century Fox by
Speaker 3: the Walt Disney Company was officially confirmed that the twenty
Speaker 3: nineteen Cinema con that future alien films are in development.
Speaker 2: Ooh, Disney is really cranking them out with the sci
Speaker 2: fi they were like, Okay, you know us for these
Speaker 2: family classics, but what if we took over the science
Speaker 2: fiction genres? And I'm like, I fucking hate monopolies, Like
Speaker 2: I hate when it's just like one entity doing everything,
Speaker 2: but they're actually doing a good job, so it's hard
Speaker 2: to hate them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really seems like they took a moment to
Speaker 3: like A says some of these franchises like Predator, an
Speaker 3: Alien and see, like how can we move forward with these?
Speaker 2: You know, really like like a more modern and modern way,
Speaker 2: Like it's very of its time, which I really enjoy.
Speaker 2: That's one of the markers of science fiction that helps
Speaker 2: us understand our current like landscape and world. Right, it's
Speaker 2: a it's kind of like a looking glass. So it's
Speaker 2: very interesting that they're they're moving things along in a
Speaker 2: way that's like, let's give these ips a breath of
Speaker 2: fresh air.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So various projects were in development, including a story
Speaker 3: by Neil Blancamp that picked up with Ellen Ripley after
Speaker 3: the movie Aliens ignoring the events of Alien three in Resurrection,
Speaker 3: and Sigourney Weaver has express interest in returning to the
Speaker 3: role of Ellen Ripley with the right script, so it's
Speaker 3: possible she'll be back at some point. Ridley Scott had
Speaker 3: planned to make three prequel films, the first two being
Speaker 3: Prometheus in twenty twelve and then A in Covenant in
Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. It's unclear whether his third prequel film is
Speaker 3: actually going to be made at this point, but in
Speaker 3: March twenty twenty two, it was announced that Fettie Alvarez
Speaker 3: would write and direct the first film after pitching his
Speaker 3: own story. And he's a filmmaker from Uruguay who previously
Speaker 3: directed horror films Evil Dead in twenty thirteen and Don't
Speaker 3: Breathe in twenty sixteen, So I was not familiar with
Speaker 3: his name when I saw him attached to this project,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure a lot of horror f fans were.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen the new Evil Dead either. I've been
Speaker 2: avoiding horror for a while, like a long while. I
Speaker 2: think personal life experiences have made the enjoyment of the
Speaker 2: genre very difficult because it's so real sometimes that I
Speaker 2: just it's uncomfortable for me. But I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: in a new era where I'm like open to it
Speaker 2: in a way that's kind of exciting. So I might
Speaker 2: check out The Evil Dead, and there's this element of
Speaker 2: Camp and the Evil Dead the original that I thoroughly enjoy.
Speaker 2: It's not a classic horror film in terms of the
Speaker 2: way that it was executed when you think of like
Speaker 2: other films, but yeah, I want to I like what
Speaker 2: he did here, so I'm definitely interested in like his
Speaker 2: vision for other films.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and screenwriter Roto Seegways is also a longtime collaborator.
Speaker 3: He was the writer on those other movies as well.
Speaker 2: Oh, I love that. I love when somebody's like not
Speaker 2: without my friend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, bring the team.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: The film was initially set to be released on Hulu,
Speaker 3: but has later changed to a theatrical release. I do
Speaker 3: wonder if that does have to do with how successful
Speaker 3: the movie Prey was, because that was a released on Hulu.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that movie was amazing. I would hope that
Speaker 2: maybe they could do a theatrical release for that, because
Speaker 2: I would pay money to watch it again at the
Speaker 2: big in the big screen.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Alvarez sought out the special effects crew from nineteen
Speaker 3: eighty six is Aliens to work on the creatures and
Speaker 3: their physical sets. Practical creatures and miniatures. Were you who
Speaker 3: whenever possible to help ground the later VFX work. Actor
Speaker 3: Ian Holme, who played Ash in the original nineteen seventy
Speaker 3: nine movie, passed away in twenty twenty. Alvarez reached out
Speaker 3: to Holme's family, and his widow, Sophie is Simple, gave
Speaker 3: her blessing to use his likeness. The family was also
Speaker 3: the first to see the rough versions of the scenes,
Speaker 3: and the decision was met with criticism as a debate
Speaker 3: around resurrecting decease actors on screen continues.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's hard. I think if you have the family's
Speaker 2: blessing that that's like a major part of it.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, that's really the only thing you can
Speaker 3: do at this point.
Speaker 2: I mean you could do it without their blessing and
Speaker 2: then just be an asshole.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, I don't know the legal ins and
Speaker 3: outs of it, but I feel like permission has to
Speaker 3: be granted in some way.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that they asked the family. At least that's
Speaker 2: like common courtesy, But corporations don't have to have common courtesy,
Speaker 2: and most.
Speaker 3: Don't so, as the movie illustrates, Yeah Diddy, Alvarez had
Speaker 3: several conversations with Ridley's and James Cameron before and during production,
Speaker 3: with Cameron giving notes on the script and the edit,
Speaker 3: and Albarez made a point to say that he had
Speaker 3: to choose when to follow in their footsteps and win
Speaker 3: to Rebel. The movie makes references and homages to every
Speaker 3: film in the franchise, as well as the video game
Speaker 3: Alien Isolation.
Speaker 2: HM, I don't play video games.
Speaker 3: I don't either, so we haven't really talked about that,
Speaker 3: but that game is held in like really high regard
Speaker 3: within like the fan base, and people put it up
Speaker 3: there with the best of the movies.
Speaker 2: Oh wow.
Speaker 3: So and I know there is like a web series
Speaker 3: that was made somewhat from like the cut scenes of
Speaker 3: the game, like an animation oh wow, and like new
Speaker 3: scenes as well to complete the story. So we might
Speaker 3: check that out at some point because that's out there.
Speaker 3: There's also a bunch of short films that were made
Speaker 3: in the last decade, so there's a lot more content
Speaker 3: if we want to go into them after the movies.
Speaker 3: The film was shot largely in chronological order, which is
Speaker 3: a rare thing, but they were shooting primarily on a
Speaker 3: stage that allowed that to happen. The characters to kind
Speaker 3: of evolve over time. Movie is set in twenty one
Speaker 3: forty two, which places it twenty years after the movie
Speaker 3: Alien and thirty seven years before Aliens.
Speaker 2: Oh so it's like in the middle.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh. The film had an estimated budget of around
Speaker 3: eighty million, and it's had a big opening weekend at
Speaker 3: the box office and it's on track to be a
Speaker 3: financial success.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great, because I haven't heard I don't know
Speaker 2: a lot of people, so I haven't heard anybody talking
Speaker 2: about the Alien movie. And if I wasn't doing this podcast,
Speaker 2: it would go. It would not. It's not on my
Speaker 2: radar with my current like consumption of media.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it really wasn't on my radar either, And it
Speaker 3: was only like we decided, well, I was looking at
Speaker 3: like what should we do next on the podcast, and
Speaker 3: it popped up, pulled up Alien and like, oh there's
Speaker 3: a new movie coming out and a new TV series
Speaker 3: coming up. Yeah. I'm like okay, so yeah, And then
Speaker 3: I didn't really see anyone talking about it. I would
Speaker 3: occasionally see an ad on like social media, probably because
Speaker 3: I have typed in Alien enough times recently.
Speaker 2: They're like, oh, you like Alien, You're gonna love this
Speaker 2: new joy we got going for you. It's got everything what.
Speaker 3: I would always scroll past because I went in without
Speaker 3: any trailers or anything. Yeah, and reviews for the film
Speaker 3: have been largely positive. Lots of praise going to the visuals,
Speaker 3: the performances, and the horror elements.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I noticed. I think the main
Speaker 2: character kind of gave me eleven vibes from Stranger Things.
Speaker 2: She kind of gave that like young girl like vibe,
Speaker 2: so she's not like overly sexualized, which is really nice. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I really like.
Speaker 1: That deep space dive. Let's break down some of our
Speaker 1: thoughts on the film. You can share your thoughts with
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Speaker 1: comments on an upcoming episode.
Speaker 3: One thing like you feel pretty immediately is like this
Speaker 3: feels like a new movie, but it also works very well,
Speaker 3: like in the world established years ago with the first
Speaker 3: Alien Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it even brings a new light to that world,
Speaker 2: Like they established this idea of the company and the
Speaker 2: way that we are treated as humans within this like
Speaker 2: mega corporation, and now we see what these colonies look like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just like I love that little bit of world
Speaker 3: building there at the beginning, and then the rest of
Speaker 3: the movie we're isolated with this crew of like six people.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, no, I think it was really cool
Speaker 2: to see the characters in their day to day like
Speaker 2: struggling and living in this world that's full of disease
Speaker 2: and poverty and forced work. And god, doesn't that feel familiar?
Speaker 2: You know what I mean? Like, holy shit, man, Like
Speaker 2: you're stuck with the like you think you worked enough
Speaker 2: to get out of your situation. You go to the
Speaker 2: higher powers, the you know, HR or whatever they like
Speaker 2: this this fucking agency, and you tell them, hey, I
Speaker 2: want to check on my permit so I can travel
Speaker 2: because I did my time, I did my five years,
Speaker 2: you know, my contract is up. And they're like, yeah,
Speaker 2: so your contract changed something outside of your power. Things
Speaker 2: you can't control.
Speaker 3: The goal posts of it moved.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And that happens all the time in society.
Speaker 3: You know.
Speaker 2: You think, oh, well, you know, if I get my degree,
Speaker 2: I'm definitely going to be out of this, you know,
Speaker 2: And they're like, oh, yeah, well, here's like thirty thousand
Speaker 2: dollars of debt that you have to pay off. Good
Speaker 2: luck with that, and now we prefer a master's degree actually,
Speaker 2: And then you're so you're just like chasing this thing
Speaker 2: or or being told that you're never going to get out.
Speaker 2: You can't get out, and in this world they don't
Speaker 2: see the sun. How fucking horrible is that? Yeah, Like
Speaker 2: in our current time, in our modern era, right now
Speaker 2: we understand how seasonal effective disorder works. You know, if
Speaker 2: you don't have access to the sun's like rays, you're
Speaker 2: gonna feel depressed. You're not gonna have a good time.
Speaker 2: And it's like painting this picture of like this like
Speaker 2: perpetual nightlife when she's walking down the street and there's
Speaker 2: like hookers and gambling and it kind of gives like
Speaker 2: a dirty Vegas And it was very interesting that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, what, what do we look like as a
Speaker 2: society that is forced to work? How do we find leisure?
Speaker 2: How do we find joy? When there is no light?
Speaker 2: You can't go hiking, you can't enjoy nature in the
Speaker 2: way because it's scary to go out at night. So,
Speaker 2: you know, it's it's a very urban, very like desolate
Speaker 2: in a way though even though you're full of people,
Speaker 2: you're so alone. She's walking by herself with her android
Speaker 2: brother and like it's just her and him and it's
Speaker 2: so sad, and her android is played by like this
Speaker 2: tall skinny black guy that stands out in all these crowds,
Speaker 2: and he's like the cleanest guy there too. Everybody else
Speaker 2: is kind of dirty, And I thought it was interesting
Speaker 2: that they cast a black man to play this role
Speaker 2: that kind of switches in between. So at first I
Speaker 2: was kind of like, what is going on? Why is
Speaker 2: he so like like there's something going on like with
Speaker 2: him mentally or like he's like got a disability or something.
Speaker 2: And then we find out that he's programmed. His program
Speaker 2: is just old.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So I believe they mentioned briefly like he was
Speaker 3: pulled out of the trash and her father like reprogrammed him.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So it's a very interesting choice to represent a
Speaker 2: disability in this way that it's like a coding error.
Speaker 2: It's weird. I don't know. It didn't sit well with
Speaker 2: me personally, that this is the representation for disabilities that
Speaker 2: we have is like this childlike person that has to
Speaker 2: be led around. There's a lot of people who are
Speaker 2: very high functioning, or even if they're not, they have
Speaker 2: to be somewhat independent. Even though they're like not able
Speaker 2: to do things, they are capable of doing more than
Speaker 2: we give them credit for. And I don't know, it's
Speaker 2: just weird. It's some like initially just seeing the representation
Speaker 2: of like this black man following and being led by
Speaker 2: this little white girl, the imaging.
Speaker 1: The.
Speaker 2: Juxtaposition, it just felt weird. And then his one objective
Speaker 2: is to do what's right for her. It's so infantilizing.
Speaker 2: It kind of gave me Mammy in a way that
Speaker 2: like or you know, like like she has her servant
Speaker 2: that takes care of her, but because he's like not
Speaker 2: intelligent enough to do everything, she has to lead him along.
Speaker 2: But he's never going to do anything that's better for
Speaker 2: both of them. And throughout the story he is controlled
Speaker 2: by other people. There's no agency for him at any point,
Speaker 2: and that just kind of sucked, Like I don't know.
Speaker 2: That was the one thing that I felt like was
Speaker 2: really lacking, Like I wish that there was a way
Speaker 2: for him to like take the computer chip that he
Speaker 2: was given where he was like hyper intelligent and very
Speaker 2: like articulate. If there was a way for him to
Speaker 2: cut that in half and keep part of it but
Speaker 2: not be a company man or something where he could
Speaker 2: have it all.
Speaker 3: I thought there might be something where he was.
Speaker 2: Gonna get up after he fell down or do something
Speaker 2: to save the day.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, yeah, I thought there's gonna be something where
Speaker 3: while he is has that other chip in him, that
Speaker 3: like something would happen where he needs to be the
Speaker 3: original Andy that looks at their rain to like save
Speaker 3: her life, make a decision for her best interest and
Speaker 3: not the company. Yeah, that he would kind of override
Speaker 3: the right is programming, And maybe that would be a
Speaker 3: cliche thing at this point, but like that's kind of
Speaker 3: what you're rooting for when you see like their relationship
Speaker 3: is disappearing because he's becoming a different person.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that happens, and like it's scary because people
Speaker 2: do sell their souls to the devil and they change completely,
Speaker 2: you know. But it just felt really hollow that he
Speaker 2: didn't have an arc, that his ARC was, Oh, we
Speaker 2: took the chip out. Now you're back to being a
Speaker 2: dumb old Andy. Yeah, And it's like, well, that's not fair.
Speaker 2: He had he had he has to have some agency
Speaker 2: and I mean the new directive okay, but girl, you're
Speaker 2: still including yourself in that. That's still very selfish. I
Speaker 2: was hoping she would say, why don't you do what's
Speaker 2: best for Andy? But it's us because you're stuck with me,
Speaker 2: and because you belong to me, you're my brother, but
Speaker 2: you're also my thing. And it's just weird. I don't know,
Speaker 2: it just I feel like they tried to establish that
Speaker 2: brotherhood thing, but because Andy doesn't have a larger capacity,
Speaker 2: he like the most he does with her is like joke,
Speaker 2: he tells those dad jokes. He never says, you know,
Speaker 2: I care about you or you know, even though my object,
Speaker 2: my prime directive is this, I wanted to be that,
Speaker 2: and there is no overriding. There is nothing that says
Speaker 2: that his core is about her too. She kind of
Speaker 2: does it when she runs back and gets him. I
Speaker 2: don't know, it's just it was hard to believe that
Speaker 2: they had a deeper relationship than Girl and Android. And
Speaker 2: he never got like a satisfying arc, which it just
Speaker 2: felt really sad to me because he was such an
Speaker 2: interesting character. And I mean he did go from like
Speaker 2: dim witted to hyper intelligent to almost evil and then
Speaker 2: he just go back, he goes back to dim witted.
Speaker 2: It just felt like so unsatisfying.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with that, I've I mean, maybe it
Speaker 3: didn't make sense with the rules that they were laying out,
Speaker 3: but like I just felt like he should have grown
Speaker 3: in some way at the end, that like maybe he
Speaker 3: retained some of those motor functions that he recovered, or
Speaker 3: he does like intelligence or.
Speaker 2: Yeah something, give him something.
Speaker 3: But I do think, you know, shout out to the
Speaker 3: actor David Johnson, because he played it out so good,
Speaker 3: really well.
Speaker 2: Holy shit, man. When he was the bad guy, he
Speaker 2: was scary and he like he the way that he
Speaker 2: like his physicality of like the twitching and like bad
Speaker 2: android and like haha he he dad joke, dad joke
Speaker 2: to oh well, it seems that I'm able to articulate
Speaker 2: and notice that the creature is doing this. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: That was fucking fascinating and horrifying to go from like
Speaker 2: good old Landy to stranger with a mind, like a
Speaker 2: mind that we don't understand or really can Like, you know,
Speaker 2: he was simple. He was a simple creature with one objective,
Speaker 2: and now he's this complicated evil thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he went from not threat at all to.
Speaker 2: The most threatening, almost more threatening than the alien itself.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he becomes I mean, so this movie doubles down
Speaker 3: on what all the other movies have kind of done
Speaker 3: that we've watched so far. We've watched the first three
Speaker 3: Alien movies that the company is the main villain.
Speaker 2: Yes, they are the true evil because the alien is
Speaker 2: just doing what it does. It is it is like,
Speaker 2: it does not have language. It is reproducing, and it
Speaker 2: is trying to survive in a way. Right, it is
Speaker 2: doing what we all are like what a creature is
Speaker 2: supposed to do in its life cycle. It's a kind
Speaker 2: of like a dumb animal that's just very like good
Speaker 2: at what it does. And so the company is an
Speaker 2: entity that has plans and objectives and they don't have
Speaker 2: They just are doing these things because they want better workers.
Speaker 2: They want to exploit this creature.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so Andy becomes the embodiment of the company.
Speaker 2: And you can't decide if you can trust it or
Speaker 2: not because he gives you good information. He's like, well,
Speaker 2: you know, the creature sees you because your body temperature
Speaker 2: and your sound and homegirls like really quick and she's like, okay,
Speaker 2: well let's turn up the heat.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, like he's like the best suited to protect
Speaker 3: them until you know, he does it until you wind
Speaker 3: up on the wrong side of a door or something. Right,
Speaker 3: He's not going to open it for you, right, So yeah,
Speaker 3: he was very complicated character, and it, you know, questionable
Speaker 3: as we went through, but it definitely he added so
Speaker 3: much to the story.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Like I couldn't see it without him.
Speaker 3: And him and his sister Rain. I felt like they
Speaker 3: were the only characters that were really all that developed
Speaker 3: the rest of the crew. I wish it had a
Speaker 3: little bit more, Yeah.
Speaker 2: A little bit more time instead of them just being
Speaker 2: like trailer trash. That's kind of what I got from them,
Speaker 2: Like they all live in this trailer and they're all
Speaker 2: wanting to steal this thing, and they're like, well, you
Speaker 2: can join us because you have an android. You don't
Speaker 2: have any other skills, but you have this thing that
Speaker 2: can speak to the computer. And it's just like, I
Speaker 2: don't know, Like the characters were interesting and they try
Speaker 2: to develop them a little bit, but it wasn't It
Speaker 2: wasn't as flushed out as the main two.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wish I understood like their friendship with Rain Moore.
Speaker 2: And how they knew her, like were they working together,
Speaker 2: especially the boy that liked her.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So reading this, the cast list I pulled from
Speaker 3: Wikipedia says that Tyler is Rain's ex boyfriend. I'm like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't recall actually hearing that. No, maybe they mentioned
Speaker 3: it in a flying but yeah, and then the rest
Speaker 3: of them are all related. There's Tyler's sister, Tyler and
Speaker 3: kay brother and sister, and then their cousin Jorne he
Speaker 3: was annoying, and then he was dating the Asian woman Navarro.
Speaker 2: But then it was implied that he got his cousin pregnant. No,
Speaker 2: you didn't feel that vibe.
Speaker 3: I don't think so.
Speaker 2: You didn't feel that vibe when when it was the
Speaker 2: sister with the curly hair and the cousin and they
Speaker 2: were in the ship, there was a moment that felt
Speaker 2: a little too familiar. Maybe I'm reading into it too much,
Speaker 2: but it felt like maybe he was the baby daddy.
Speaker 3: Oh she said the daddy was just some nobody.
Speaker 2: Isn't that him? I think it's him. I seriously think
Speaker 2: it's him. And I think that's why whatever came out
Speaker 2: of her looked a little bit like a hillbilly. I'm
Speaker 2: just saying there was a moment, and I don't know
Speaker 2: if I don't, I don't think you caught onto it.
Speaker 2: But I definitely felt like there was a vibe between
Speaker 2: them that was a little more than family.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, I'll leave that there.
Speaker 2: I'm just saying I think that was the baby daddy.
Speaker 2: I really do, And when your cousin is your baby daddy,
Speaker 2: you're gonna have a weird kid. Hopefully not. I mean,
Speaker 2: I hope some people, you know, like famous people like
Speaker 2: FDR married his cousin. But I just I know that
Speaker 2: you know, the closer you are, the more messed up
Speaker 2: the kids can get. And it's just like frowned upon
Speaker 2: that whole incess thing. But yeah, I think there's something
Speaker 2: going on there, and I wish I would have nudged
Speaker 2: you or something to indicate to you that that moment
Speaker 2: what's happening. And when we watch it again, I will
Speaker 2: definitely show you what I mean. Okay, And please, if
Speaker 2: you if you agree with me, or if you noticed
Speaker 2: it too, let Jason know because I don't want to
Speaker 2: feel like I'm crazy. But that's why I thought it
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, he has girlfriend because uh
Speaker 2: woo Eileen wu. She was gorgeous. I think she was
Speaker 2: the most beautiful actress that I've ever seen in this
Speaker 2: genre or in this like film franchise. Gorgeous girl and
Speaker 2: even bald headed crazy. And I'm really sad that she
Speaker 2: died first, that she was like implanted, Oh horrifying, And
Speaker 2: the fact that it happened so fast, and that the
Speaker 2: creature didn't die right after that it scurried away.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. But then what didn't happen fast was the
Speaker 3: chest bursting. They like drew that out.
Speaker 2: Right until she thought she was safe.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean the actual process of the creature, Oh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, coming out, it was like slithering now, it slithered out.
Speaker 2: And this movie had so many vaginal references. It was
Speaker 2: crazy how much like vaginal imagery was in this movie.
Speaker 2: I really enjoyed that because usually it's like this phallic
Speaker 2: thing that's like pounding you or penetrating you or killing you,
Speaker 2: and this time it's like this vaginal wound in your
Speaker 2: chest where something is slowly emerging. There's this idea of
Speaker 2: pregnancy that's very prominent in this film. It's like one
Speaker 2: of the major like plot points I think, or major
Speaker 2: arcs or whatever, major focuses or theme. Yeah, theme, I
Speaker 2: think that will go with theme. It was a major theme,
Speaker 2: this idea of pregnancy and giving birth and the visceral
Speaker 2: raden like kind of growth like occurrence of like giving birth,
Speaker 2: and I think that's why it went so slow with
Speaker 2: the chest opening. She was giving birth and birth hurts,
Speaker 2: you know, It's something that's not supposed to be painless
Speaker 2: or easy. And I think that was really well visualized
Speaker 2: in that chest burst for Navarro, Like as she was dying,
Speaker 2: she was giving birth to this creature. And this isn't
Speaker 2: the first berth that we'll have this in this movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just the like it's such a good twist to
Speaker 3: put on like at this point, like we were not
Speaker 3: shocked that the aliens burst out of your chest, like
Speaker 3: that was a big moment in the first movie, but
Speaker 3: to actually like take that and draw it out slowly
Speaker 3: like added this whole new element of horror to it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, to like, yeah, I think it's like chef's kiss,
Speaker 2: like perfection. Uh, but again it's because there is so
Speaker 2: much fear in childbirth and we all know that, like
Speaker 2: not everybody survives that experience. And yeah, she died obviously,
Speaker 2: but like it was just like very traumatic and slow
Speaker 2: and drawn out, and the creature just like came out
Speaker 2: and was like gooey and fleshy. And the creature itself
Speaker 2: is kind of phallic. It looks like a penis and
Speaker 2: it was. It was just very sad that this character,
Speaker 2: probably one of the only ones who knows how to
Speaker 2: fly this ship, just die. And I mean, like spoiler,
Speaker 2: not this bus, this whole podcast is a spoiler. But
Speaker 2: we only have two survivors and one of them is
Speaker 2: an android.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's definitely you can feel like the very strong
Speaker 3: homage of the first movie and wait, like I said,
Speaker 3: it focuses on this crew of like blue collar workers
Speaker 3: in an isolated spaceship, but then it comes down to
Speaker 3: just like our one main character surviving and you know,
Speaker 3: Andy kind of survives. We can presume that he's going
Speaker 3: to be recovered if they pick up this storyline again. Yeah,
Speaker 3: in the first movie, it was Ripley and the cat
Speaker 3: and ends with like her getting into the pod and
Speaker 3: recording a log about what happened, Like that's just how
Speaker 3: the Alien ended. And then there's tons of references to
Speaker 3: the other movies, some of them we haven't watched recently,
Speaker 3: so I didn't quite catch them all, but I know
Speaker 3: like Alien Resurrection is going to deal a lot with
Speaker 3: cloning and like the hybrid aspect of like a human
Speaker 3: and alien crossover type thing. And then the prequels Prometheus
Speaker 3: and Alien Covenant they have that like black goo stuff
Speaker 3: in it that we see near the end of the movie.
Speaker 3: Then there were some things that felt a little too
Speaker 3: heavy handed of a reference. I will say there's when
Speaker 3: Andy in the Elevator Shaft is killing the alien and
Speaker 3: he's like, get away from her, you bitch, And that's
Speaker 3: a direct quote from Ripley and Aliens. Oh, and it
Speaker 3: seemed like weird that he would even say that, So
Speaker 3: it just felt forced.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't notice that. I thought it was like, ooh,
Speaker 2: he cursed, ooh, he.
Speaker 3: Cursed, like because that line is pretty iconic, I think
Speaker 3: in the franchise, and they even they advertise Alien three
Speaker 3: as the Bitch is back. So yeah, there's It definitely
Speaker 3: is showing its love for all the movies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I like that. I like that a lot.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, I think you can watch
Speaker 3: this without any context and still enjoy a good movie.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's crazy the fact like this movie is
Speaker 2: doing so much visually. It's stunning. I think it's really
Speaker 2: good visually too.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like the art direction, the set design, like all
Speaker 3: of that is so like thought out, the way it's
Speaker 3: shot and lit and the like it leans into that
Speaker 3: color red so heavily, Like you can tell that there's
Speaker 3: just like a clear vision behind this movie.
Speaker 2: I think that's what happens when you have the writer
Speaker 2: and the director be one person. There's an image in
Speaker 2: their head when they're writing this that can come to
Speaker 2: life when they're finally directing it. And I think that's
Speaker 2: just like peak art, Like this is the epitome of
Speaker 2: an art form, of an artist showing like this was
Speaker 2: what was in my brain and now it is projected
Speaker 2: on the screen. It is so iconic.
Speaker 3: But and like us just having come off of watching
Speaker 3: Alien three, we've already recorded about so it'll come out
Speaker 3: in a couple of weeks. But like knowing what a
Speaker 3: shit show that production was and how the studio was
Speaker 3: like interfering with everything and the director didn't get to,
Speaker 3: you know, have his vision and everything, like this is
Speaker 3: such a contrast to that, where, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think when you let creative people do what they do,
Speaker 2: you are giving yourself a recipe for success, like it
Speaker 2: is it is what you want to do is Obviously
Speaker 2: you can't give free rein to the creative because the
Speaker 2: creative is going to go crazy, but you can lead them.
Speaker 2: You can guide them, you can encourage them and make
Speaker 2: a space for them to flow. And you know, it's
Speaker 2: really hard to do that because creative people are so sensitive.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're all sensitive and creative, but when you're
Speaker 2: in the middle of this process of making, I think
Speaker 2: there's so much like I don't know what it's just
Speaker 2: when you're in this process of making, you are in
Speaker 2: a very vulnerable state, and to come in and tell somebody, oh, well,
Speaker 2: we're going to rewrite everything or we're going to change everything,
Speaker 2: it really fucks up the process. And you can see
Speaker 2: it in the art and this piece is just it's
Speaker 2: very You can tell the person was happy and energetic
Speaker 2: and collaborating and that's what you want. And god damn,
Speaker 2: this movie is crazy. Like okay, so can we talk
Speaker 2: about the birth of the creature?
Speaker 3: Yes?
Speaker 2: Okay. So there's the reason the company is trying to
Speaker 2: like get this shit on the road is because they're
Speaker 2: doing experiments with its blood and they're like, oh, well, look,
Speaker 2: we fucking smashed the rat and then we injected it
Speaker 2: with its blood and it's like fucking fine. Now it's
Speaker 2: walking fine. But they cut, like they leave before you
Speaker 2: can see the rat becoming a weird creature and like you,
Speaker 2: they pan over and you see what the rat became,
Speaker 2: and it's fucking weird. It's like a tentacle and fur
Speaker 2: and nasty, nasty, nasty nasty. And homeboy Andy's got this little,
Speaker 2: you know, canister full of blood viles and he's like,
Speaker 2: let's go, guys, I have one purpose and one mission.
Speaker 2: And they're trying to get to their homegirl that's like
Speaker 2: trapped in the room with the creature, and they find
Speaker 2: her later, all messed up and they're like, okay, well
Speaker 2: she's really hurt, and Andy's like, inject her, do it,
Speaker 2: It'll fix her, and you know, uh, Rain is like,
Speaker 2: hell no, I don't trust that shit. I don't trust
Speaker 2: you right now. Who the fuck are you? We're not
Speaker 2: doing that. She can go into the sleepy chamber and
Speaker 2: she'll be right as ray when we get there. And
Speaker 2: he's like okay, and then they I don't know why
Speaker 2: this happens, but the canister full of vials gets transferred
Speaker 2: to sick homegirl pregnant girl, and she's on the elevator
Speaker 2: with the shit and she's like, well he said it'll
Speaker 2: fix me, jab right in the neck. Why did she
Speaker 2: listen to her friend.
Speaker 3: I'm guessing she felt like she wasn't going to make
Speaker 3: it and she heard that from Mandy, and like.
Speaker 2: She didn't know that Andy was compromised. Maybe she chose
Speaker 2: to make that even though he fucking put her in
Speaker 2: that situation by not opening the door. That was really
Speaker 2: hard pill to swallow that I could not believe, like
Speaker 2: that she would not trust her friend over the android
Speaker 2: that wouldn't open the door for her. That was like
Speaker 2: the only part of the movie that I was like,
Speaker 2: is she okay? Like this doesn't feel right, this doesn't
Speaker 2: feel logical. If she would have had a line while
Speaker 2: he was saying She's like, yeah, give it to me,
Speaker 2: give me the shot, you know, anything like that that
Speaker 2: showed that she was willing to take it, then then
Speaker 2: I would have believed that she would have done it
Speaker 2: on her own. But she did it, and somehow she
Speaker 2: doesn't become the monster, she gives birth to the monster.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So when I was in college, I used to
Speaker 3: do these forty eight hour film festivals where you get
Speaker 3: the right shooting at it a short film in forty
Speaker 3: eight hours and they're usually horror themed. In October, So
Speaker 3: my team made this movie is called terotophobia, and I
Speaker 3: don't know who named it, but they thought it had
Speaker 3: something to do with being afraid of monsters. But then
Speaker 3: when I went back and like looked up that word,
Speaker 3: it actually means fear of giving birth to a monster.
Speaker 3: Oh so I kind of went down this rabbit hole.
Speaker 3: They're like, oh, a lot of women have this fear
Speaker 3: of like giving birth.
Speaker 2: To Have you seen Rosemary's Baby? That movie is about
Speaker 2: fear of giving birth to a monster.
Speaker 3: So, like I was, you know, disgusted and horrified at
Speaker 3: what happened to this woman k in the movie.
Speaker 2: God kay, I can't imagine.
Speaker 3: What it would how horrifying that would be to someone
Speaker 3: who has that kind of fear.
Speaker 2: One, Like, you're pregnant, that's scary, yeah, Two, it's a secret.
Speaker 2: Three you're suddenly huge within a span of like minutes
Speaker 2: because we have that count dot clock that's like reminding
Speaker 2: us that there's an impending doom. So she's like bloated
Speaker 2: with this child. And then the birth itself is bloody
Speaker 2: and gory and scary, and she gives birth to like
Speaker 2: an egg.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like every moment in the sequence was like unexpected.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, it was so fucking horrible baby in there,
Speaker 2: and it's like she's like her line of get it
Speaker 2: away from me, so real, like please get it away
Speaker 2: from her, and like she rips the umbilical cord and
Speaker 2: grabs it and starts running with it. And then she
Speaker 2: realizes that shit is made of it of acid, and
Speaker 2: the baby drops to the cargo bay and it hatches,
Speaker 2: and then very rapidly it becomes this long, lanky creature.
Speaker 2: I can't call it a man because of the lack
Speaker 2: of genitals, so I'll call it a creature. And it
Speaker 2: is the most disturbing thing I have seen in a
Speaker 2: long time. And they showed it full out. There was
Speaker 2: no hiding, there was no like in the shadows. It
Speaker 2: was like full out, like pink man creature thing, and
Speaker 2: oh it was awful. I hated it. I hated it,
Speaker 2: but I loved it so much. I was like, I
Speaker 2: can't fucking believe they went there. They fucking did it.
Speaker 2: They did it. They made a human Zeno morph. I
Speaker 2: kind of wish it had the weird head a little bit,
Speaker 2: just a little like a long gated like an elongated head.
Speaker 2: It looked like an inside like a guy who doesn't
Speaker 2: know how to speak to women who smells a little
Speaker 2: odd and maybe he wears a trench coat. But oh
Speaker 2: my god, it was good. It was great. I was
Speaker 2: like on pins and needles waiting to see what this
Speaker 2: creature did. And she tried to vanquish it and could it.
Speaker 2: It was like latched onto her. It had a tail. Oh,
Speaker 2: oh my god. But it's like every every alien movie.
Speaker 2: The way you call this thing is just shooting it
Speaker 2: off into space. Yeah, Like obviously there was the sequence
Speaker 2: of her killing them with a gun when she had
Speaker 2: it in zero gravity, and that was fucking epic.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So that's an element that I really liked that,
Speaker 3: Like the physics of gravity played a big role in
Speaker 3: the movie. There's a lot of like science fiction space
Speaker 3: movies that just ignore gravity. They don't really pay attention
Speaker 3: to how gravity works, or like the ship just has gravity.
Speaker 3: They never explain why. Yeah, but yeah, this has you know,
Speaker 3: gravity generators that seem to have to fluctuate on and
Speaker 3: off even though they're turned off. Yeah, but yeah, and
Speaker 3: then they use that so well when she can't with
Speaker 3: the acid, like go down to the floor, right.
Speaker 2: Because there's a whole breach and then you're.
Speaker 3: Fucked and then like the elevators don't work without gravity.
Speaker 3: That makes sense. Yeah, see, I really enjoyed that aspect
Speaker 3: of it.
Speaker 2: Very logical because most you're right, most space movies don't
Speaker 2: touch gravity. It's expensive to like do that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, although I still wonder with her, like shooting all
Speaker 3: these aliens and zero gravity, They're like, none of that's
Speaker 3: going to splatter towards you.
Speaker 2: Right, I don't know because usually my from what I understand,
Speaker 2: an object in motion stays in motion, and you are
Speaker 2: shooting in one direction, so it's like going to explode out,
Speaker 2: usually in the opposite direction, and would that's you? You
Speaker 2: are in the opposite direction, but instead it goes into
Speaker 2: swirling vortex. How convenient. But that's too much thought in physics.
Speaker 2: Let's enjoy it for what it is.
Speaker 3: And then she had that gun, which I think that
Speaker 3: gun you kind of homages back to Aliens when they
Speaker 3: have all the guns with the soldiers.
Speaker 2: I wonder if it's also any reference to the video game.
Speaker 3: Possibly, right, So she uses most of the AMMA or
Speaker 3: the charge on that gun. And then I felt like
Speaker 3: that last little bit last a long time because they
Speaker 3: used it, used it twice several times. She used it
Speaker 3: to like propel her up the elevator shaft and then
Speaker 3: Andy uses it to kill the alien. Again. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: thought there was just like a few shots left in
Speaker 3: that day.
Speaker 2: There were four hundred shots on that thing, so maybe
Speaker 2: it was more than we thought. But yeah, that creature
Speaker 2: freaked me out. I was like horrified. The birth of
Speaker 2: it was traumatizing. Like if you're pregnant or planned to
Speaker 2: become pregnant, maybe you should skip this one because it's
Speaker 2: so fucked up. But it's so good. It's like great,
Speaker 2: Like I think the fears of the fear of pregnancy
Speaker 2: is so real and it's so valid, Like there's so
Speaker 2: many valid reasons to be afraid of pregnancy. It's just
Speaker 2: so nice that a film kind of focuses on that,
Speaker 2: because I mean, thinking about it, like the last time
Speaker 2: I thought about a film that had to deal with
Speaker 2: pregnancy is like Rosemary's Baby giving birth to them, the
Speaker 2: Devil's Child. But yeah, I really enjoyed it. I think
Speaker 2: there are parts of it that I wish we're more
Speaker 2: developed or you know, had a different outcome, But I
Speaker 2: think for what it is, it's really good and I
Speaker 2: would take it, like I'll take it, give me it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's also in the movie. At the very beginning,
Speaker 3: they they find the original alien from the first movie
Speaker 3: from the wreckage of that ship, and that's how they've
Speaker 3: cloned the aliens that are in this movie that they've
Speaker 3: done experience experiments on. Oh and you see the original
Speaker 3: alien like strung up and it still has Ripley's harpoon
Speaker 3: stuck through it.
Speaker 2: Oh that's fun. What's from that? What movie?
Speaker 3: Is that from the original alien?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: She harpoons it. She harpoons it, and then the air
Speaker 3: locks it.
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, she does harpoon it. Yeah. Harpoon. What
Speaker 2: a fun word.
Speaker 3: I feel like I'm saying it wrong, but that's right
Speaker 3: hard Yeah. Well I also read that. So there's that
Speaker 3: countdown going in on and during the end of the movie,
Speaker 3: and it's like a thirty minute count and it actually
Speaker 3: is in real time thirty minutes. Yeah, that's awesome. I
Speaker 3: love when.
Speaker 2: They do that that because usually it's like five minute countdown,
Speaker 2: We're going to watch the sequence for twenty minutes. I
Speaker 2: did like the visual of the ship crashing into the ring.
Speaker 2: It was really cool. I didn't I didn't ever think
Speaker 2: about like a ring being like this, like planetary. I
Speaker 2: don't know what it is, like landscape or planetary like
Speaker 2: thing that could like fuck you up, you know, because
Speaker 2: they look so pretty when you draw them. You're just
Speaker 2: drying a little a little circle around another little circle,
Speaker 2: and you think, to me, it always felt like that's
Speaker 2: the planet's halo. But it's like this rocky like thing
Speaker 2: going like one hundred thousand miles an hour, just spinning
Speaker 2: like a road underneath a car. And holy shit, it
Speaker 2: was like a cheese grater, just like shredding that fucking
Speaker 2: giant spaceship.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how fucking Rook diesed crazy. It was crazy
Speaker 2: to see him in this movie.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was unexpected to see him pop up.
Speaker 2: I feel like he was a welcomed element though.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it wasn't. Once he was like in
Speaker 3: the scene, I kind of thought like, Okay, they're gonna
Speaker 3: kind of do one scene with him and he'll transfer
Speaker 3: that objective to.
Speaker 2: Uh andy Andy and he'll hold the torch.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they kept him in there.
Speaker 2: As he was Walden. Yeah, so that was interesting. I
Speaker 2: don't know, he definitely looked fake, but I think it
Speaker 2: helps that he's like an android.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's why like it didn't. I was
Speaker 3: okay with the visualization, the visuals of it, because you know,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of there's still like elements of Uncanny
Speaker 3: Valley when we are recreating actors and or the aging
Speaker 3: and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 3: But he had a little bit of that. But it's
Speaker 3: still it worked because he's not actually human right sometimes,
Speaker 3: like his mouth seemed almost like jittery.
Speaker 2: But he's also like missing half of his body. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so it went well with like his vibe. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I feel like there's going to be a sequel. I
Speaker 2: don't know how I feel about eleven being in a sequel,
Speaker 2: but okay, I'm excited to see Andy. I hope he
Speaker 2: gets an upgrade or something, because the actor was really good.
Speaker 2: He was really good, and I'm really sad that he
Speaker 2: didn't get his ARC. But maybe in the future he will.
Speaker 2: Maybe he's like playing the long game with this one.
Speaker 2: You just never know, though, because they might switch directors,
Speaker 2: they might do something different with a sequel, and you
Speaker 2: never know. I just you know, who knows. Maybe Disney
Speaker 2: will wise up.
Speaker 3: And be like, hey, well it sounds like this is
Speaker 3: going to end up being a big hit for them,
Speaker 3: which you know, if if we're rooting for more like
Speaker 3: this or a continuation of this, that's a good sign.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I think I think we've been in this
Speaker 2: golden age of film and television for a while now,
Speaker 2: you know, like West World and all these other shows
Speaker 2: that are coming on that are so good, and I'm
Speaker 2: really excited to see what else happens with the genre.
Speaker 2: And I'm kind of thinking maybe we should watch the
Speaker 2: TV series maybe, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, Yeah, the one coming out yeah next year. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think that's probably the plan. It's called Alien Earth.
Speaker 2: Ooh, they're on Earth? Oh shit, imagine them like at
Speaker 2: the Grand Canyon.
Speaker 1: Astral Queen, who was the standout character in the movie.
Speaker 2: I think my astral queen is Andy for being such
Speaker 2: a manipulative queen. I like bad Andy better than I
Speaker 2: liked Bad Joke. Andy is that bad? I'm bad. Although
Speaker 2: Kay really did the work with that pregnancy scene, Like
Speaker 2: that one scene, she was so good. She was so
Speaker 2: good and believable, Like I was scared with her. I
Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know. Can I give it to
Speaker 2: k and Andy? Can I do too?
Speaker 3: No? No, that's the point we got to pick oney.
Speaker 3: Oh damn.
Speaker 2: Okay, who are you picking?
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, I picked k because she slept through most of it,
Speaker 2: and then she got up and did her thing. That's
Speaker 2: who I pick. I pick cake.
Speaker 3: That's fair, that's fair, Queen. She did inject herself though,
Speaker 3: and cause that whole problem.
Speaker 2: Hey, she didn't know.
Speaker 3: Should I just pick rain?
Speaker 2: She was intelligent and with it.
Speaker 3: She was I mean, like the the guys were stupid.
Speaker 3: They were ripping and who was it? Tyler? So they're
Speaker 3: doing that scene where they're they're going to cross through
Speaker 3: the room with all the face huggers. They've adjusted the
Speaker 3: temperature and they're trying to be quiet.
Speaker 2: And then he's on the phone and then he answers
Speaker 2: this phone call. Everybody. I know we're supposed to be quiet,
Speaker 2: but let me take this phone call and be like, hey,
Speaker 2: k hey, sis, how are you? What's going on? Where
Speaker 2: are you at?
Speaker 3: Like we're tiptoe in here, trying not to breathe too
Speaker 3: loud or sweat or anything.
Speaker 2: But let me answer this phone.
Speaker 3: Whisper on this phone, Hey, you just got to look
Speaker 3: around for some keys? You check, checked the floor, check
Speaker 3: your pocket, something like.
Speaker 2: Can I text? You would have been so easy. Can
Speaker 2: I text you please?
Speaker 3: You can turn the volume off on your radio talk
Speaker 3: to her in like sixty seconds when you got through
Speaker 3: the room. And then the other guy, Jorn, he was
Speaker 3: just so so angry, and I mean they flushed it
Speaker 3: out a little bit, like why he was so against
Speaker 3: the androids right, and then as Andy started to change,
Speaker 3: was kind of confirming what he believed about them. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I don't hold that too much against him, but
Speaker 3: he's definitely irrational at times.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I think I'm gonna pick Rain. I'm picking
Speaker 3: in the main character because I'm boring like that. Okay,
Speaker 3: and Kaylee Spiney, I think she was good in that role.
Speaker 2: Is well, yeah, she did a good job, but she
Speaker 2: really looked like that girl from Stranger Things to me,
Speaker 2: I didn't think so she really didn't think so I
Speaker 2: thought she did. It was weird. I was waiting for
Speaker 2: her to do with some mind tricks, just.
Speaker 3: A backup for a moment. There's one point I wanted
Speaker 3: to think there was early in the movie. We see
Speaker 3: like these paintings of the They battlefields, I think, and
Speaker 3: there's in that painting there's like an infant nursing on
Speaker 3: its dead mother's body.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so this movie is based Romulus. Romulus is
Speaker 2: a twin brother of Remis. Remus, Yeah, and they were
Speaker 2: born feral children who were nursed by a wolf and
Speaker 2: where they grew up became Rome. And that painting is
Speaker 2: a depiction of war of the Roman Empire as a
Speaker 2: whole has been built on. Personally, I'm tired of the Western,
Speaker 2: the Western aesthetic of like mythology. I'm tired. I'm tired
Speaker 2: of like Romulus and Prometheus and all of these Greek
Speaker 2: and Roman entities giving us inspiration for what we're tired.
Speaker 2: I'm tired. Give us something else. There's so many other
Speaker 2: amazing mythological stories and structures that we can tap into.
Speaker 2: We are a globe full of mythology. Why always the
Speaker 2: Roman Empire? I know why? And I'm tired, so I
Speaker 2: chose not to dig into it at all. But it
Speaker 2: definitely was foreshadowing for the creature nursing on his mother
Speaker 2: who was expelling that black ghool. But he didn't even
Speaker 2: nurse on her. He like suck her from her neck,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, suck a titty bitch.
Speaker 3: Go there. Yeah, I thought it was going to go
Speaker 3: more of that nursing route, which would have been.
Speaker 2: It would have been epic. It would have been epic.
Speaker 2: I think it would have been awesome if he like
Speaker 2: ripped the titty off, because because give me the fear
Speaker 2: of pregnancy, give me the fear of nursing, give me
Speaker 2: the real horrible chafing and horrible like pain of motherhood.
Speaker 3: I think they gave you enough.
Speaker 2: They could have gone there. They really could have gone there,
Speaker 2: and it wouldn't have been a problem because they already
Speaker 2: went there with a baby and the creature. If they
Speaker 2: would have just added the titty rip, it would have
Speaker 2: been fine, but they wanted to keep it. Pg. Thirteen
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 3: Anyway, sorry to drag us back into that, as rain.
Speaker 2: Mka, I didn't want to talk about it, but you
Speaker 2: went there, okay.
Speaker 3: So the next movie coming out on our podcast will
Speaker 3: be Aliens from nineteen eighty six. We've already recorded that
Speaker 3: episode and we recorded Alien three as well, So that's
Speaker 3: what will be next, and then we're going to keep
Speaker 3: moving through the other films, probably not going to deal
Speaker 3: with the alien versus Predator. Those aren't Cannon and so
Speaker 3: I don't know that we'll go there, but we're looking
Speaker 3: to watch the Alien Earth sometime in twenty twenty five
Speaker 3: right on. And so I think that does it for us.
Speaker 3: So thanks for spacing out with us, and remember that
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