WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.920 --> 00:00:05.120 Welcome to Spacing Out with BB and Jason, this week 2 00:00:05.160 --> 00:00:13.439 covering the twenty twenty four film Alien Romulus. 3 00:00:14.039 --> 00:00:15.400 Welcome to space now. 4 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:19.000 I'm BB and I'm Jason, and we are discussing the 5 00:00:19.039 --> 00:00:22.160 Alien franchise one movie at a time, and we have 6 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:24.760 just returned from the theater having watched the newest release, 7 00:00:24.960 --> 00:00:26.039 Alien Romulus. 8 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:26.800 Whooee. 9 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:30.440 This podcast is being released on two different podcast feeds, 10 00:00:30.440 --> 00:00:32.079 so if you found it through the Spacing Out with 11 00:00:32.159 --> 00:00:34.359 Alien podcasts, and I invite you to check out our 12 00:00:34.399 --> 00:00:37.039 main channel, Spacing Out with BB and Jason, where we 13 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:41.439 have covered things like Battlestar Galactica star trek Our Flagman's debt, 14 00:00:41.520 --> 00:00:44.280 over one hundred episodes plus many more things to come. 15 00:00:44.439 --> 00:00:46.679 And we're also going to continue to put out Alien 16 00:00:46.759 --> 00:00:48.759 content as we work through the rest of the movies, 17 00:00:49.039 --> 00:00:53.520 so we're only focusing on Alien Romulus today. Since this 18 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:56.200 is a new release, BB, I thought what we would 19 00:00:56.280 --> 00:01:01.039 do is do like a quick spoiler free vibe checks okay, 20 00:01:01.200 --> 00:01:03.880 and then we'll go into We'll sound the spoiler alarm 21 00:01:03.960 --> 00:01:05.239 as we go through the rest of the movie so 22 00:01:05.280 --> 00:01:08.120 we can talk about the actual plot. Yeah, and any 23 00:01:08.120 --> 00:01:10.719 of the other movies as well, because it does reference 24 00:01:10.719 --> 00:01:11.799 a lot of the other movies. I want to be 25 00:01:11.799 --> 00:01:14.000 able to talk about all of them. Okay, So this 26 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:18.480 is Alien Romulus, which premiered on August sixteenth, twenty twenty four, 27 00:01:18.920 --> 00:01:23.519 written by Fetti Alvarez and Rodo's Sayaguays, and directed by 28 00:01:23.680 --> 00:01:27.760 Feedti Alvarez. In this movie, while scavenging the deep ends 29 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:30.000 of a dere like space station, a group of young 30 00:01:30.040 --> 00:01:33.040 space colonizers come face to face with the most terrifying 31 00:01:33.079 --> 00:01:36.200 life form in the universe. That is the spoiler free 32 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:37.280 promotional summary. 33 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:42.040 Oh okay, ve check. 34 00:01:42.920 --> 00:01:46.280 Did we like the movie overall? How will extend the 35 00:01:46.359 --> 00:01:47.120 Test of Time? 36 00:01:47.599 --> 00:01:50.879 All right? Without revealing the plot details, how'd you like 37 00:01:50.920 --> 00:01:51.480 the movie? 38 00:01:51.680 --> 00:01:54.319 I thought it was good. I liked it. I thought 39 00:01:54.319 --> 00:01:59.200 it was interesting, and it definitely had a lot of 40 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:02.560 like aspects of it that we don't get in the 41 00:02:02.640 --> 00:02:08.159 other films when it comes to like character development that 42 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:11.919 I really enjoyed. And the twist at the end is 43 00:02:12.159 --> 00:02:14.759 fucking crazy, Like you have to watch it just for 44 00:02:14.840 --> 00:02:18.319 that last twist. That's my spoiler free version of it. Yes, 45 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:21.240 so I liked it, and I would recommend people watch 46 00:02:21.319 --> 00:02:24.479 it if they're fans of the franchise or if they're 47 00:02:24.520 --> 00:02:27.560 fans of like sci fi or horror. 48 00:02:27.639 --> 00:02:30.560 I really, I really enjoyed it. I thought like I 49 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:33.159 was nervous. I'm just like, man, just like, please let 50 00:02:33.159 --> 00:02:37.599 it be decent. But because I mean, we've we've watched 51 00:02:37.639 --> 00:02:40.680 a few of these now we've recorded Aliens and Alien three, 52 00:02:40.759 --> 00:02:43.120 and I'm like, I was really hoping they could just, 53 00:02:43.319 --> 00:02:45.960 you know, get this franchise kind of back on track 54 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:48.879 from it's been kind of all over the place, and 55 00:02:49.280 --> 00:02:52.599 this was a nice return to kind of thematically to 56 00:02:52.680 --> 00:02:54.840 like the first movie, and it brings in a lot 57 00:02:54.840 --> 00:02:58.000 of elements from all the movies, and yeah, it has 58 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:00.639 that sort of the vibe of the movie of just 59 00:03:00.840 --> 00:03:04.680 being focused on this small crew of people. And I 60 00:03:04.719 --> 00:03:06.520 don't want to say much more about that, but yeah, 61 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:09.080 then the third act gets weird. 62 00:03:09.280 --> 00:03:11.639 And I love it. I love it. I think it's 63 00:03:11.680 --> 00:03:15.479 fucking bizarre, but in the best way. It's like little 64 00:03:15.680 --> 00:03:20.960 like just disgusting, little nibblets of like this idea of 65 00:03:21.000 --> 00:03:25.479 science fiction and like human development, and that's all I'm seeing. 66 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:27.560 I'm also it's great, it's great. 67 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:29.400 It's weird. I don't really know what to make of 68 00:03:29.719 --> 00:03:31.000 that final act, but. 69 00:03:30.800 --> 00:03:33.439 It's great, So go and watch it just so you 70 00:03:33.479 --> 00:03:37.400 can watch the end because it's really good for that part. 71 00:03:37.479 --> 00:03:39.840 And I'm excited for it to come out on streaming 72 00:03:39.960 --> 00:03:42.639 or whatever because things don't go to DVD anymore. 73 00:03:43.159 --> 00:03:44.599 So I was very happy with it. 74 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:45.319 Yeah, me too. 75 00:03:45.439 --> 00:03:48.159 So if you haven't seen it yet, please see it, 76 00:03:48.199 --> 00:03:50.879 whether in the theater or whenever you have an opportunity. 77 00:03:51.560 --> 00:03:55.039 It does. It stands alone. You can watch it without 78 00:03:55.199 --> 00:03:58.199 really any context. You'll definitely benefit from having seen at 79 00:03:58.280 --> 00:04:01.599 least the original movie. And it does pull elements from 80 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:04.400 believe all the movies. So that is that. So we're 81 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:07.120 going to go into the trivia section and there's going 82 00:04:07.159 --> 00:04:08.800 to be some little bit of spoilers in there. Then 83 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:11.199 we're going to go into the whole film. So this 84 00:04:11.240 --> 00:04:13.639 is your time to jump out of the airlock and 85 00:04:13.680 --> 00:04:15.680 then come back after you've seen the movie. 86 00:04:17.959 --> 00:04:22.560 Trivia time. What facts could we uncover for Alien Romulus. 87 00:04:23.360 --> 00:04:27.160 So, after the acquisition of twenty first Century Fox by 88 00:04:27.199 --> 00:04:30.199 the Walt Disney Company was officially confirmed that the twenty 89 00:04:30.279 --> 00:04:33.480 nineteen Cinema con that future alien films are in development. 90 00:04:33.680 --> 00:04:37.360 Ooh, Disney is really cranking them out with the sci 91 00:04:37.480 --> 00:04:41.120 fi they were like, Okay, you know us for these 92 00:04:41.160 --> 00:04:44.920 family classics, but what if we took over the science 93 00:04:44.920 --> 00:04:49.480 fiction genres? And I'm like, I fucking hate monopolies, Like 94 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:53.240 I hate when it's just like one entity doing everything, 95 00:04:53.800 --> 00:04:56.759 but they're actually doing a good job, so it's hard 96 00:04:56.759 --> 00:04:57.279 to hate them. 97 00:04:57.360 --> 00:04:59.639 Yeah, it really seems like they took a moment to 98 00:04:59.720 --> 00:05:03.279 like A says some of these franchises like Predator, an 99 00:05:03.279 --> 00:05:06.759 Alien and see, like how can we move forward with these? 100 00:05:07.279 --> 00:05:11.639 You know, really like like a more modern and modern way, 101 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:15.480 Like it's very of its time, which I really enjoy. 102 00:05:15.600 --> 00:05:18.600 That's one of the markers of science fiction that helps 103 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:24.600 us understand our current like landscape and world. Right, it's 104 00:05:25.079 --> 00:05:28.040 a it's kind of like a looking glass. So it's 105 00:05:28.199 --> 00:05:31.639 very interesting that they're they're moving things along in a 106 00:05:31.680 --> 00:05:35.879 way that's like, let's give these ips a breath of 107 00:05:35.920 --> 00:05:36.360 fresh air. 108 00:05:36.560 --> 00:05:39.800 Yeah. So various projects were in development, including a story 109 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:42.800 by Neil Blancamp that picked up with Ellen Ripley after 110 00:05:42.839 --> 00:05:46.240 the movie Aliens ignoring the events of Alien three in Resurrection, 111 00:05:47.800 --> 00:05:50.279 and Sigourney Weaver has express interest in returning to the 112 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:52.600 role of Ellen Ripley with the right script, so it's 113 00:05:52.600 --> 00:05:55.279 possible she'll be back at some point. Ridley Scott had 114 00:05:55.319 --> 00:05:58.040 planned to make three prequel films, the first two being 115 00:05:58.160 --> 00:06:00.680 Prometheus in twenty twelve and then A in Covenant in 116 00:06:00.680 --> 00:06:04.079 twenty seventeen. It's unclear whether his third prequel film is 117 00:06:04.079 --> 00:06:05.800 actually going to be made at this point, but in 118 00:06:05.800 --> 00:06:08.560 March twenty twenty two, it was announced that Fettie Alvarez 119 00:06:08.600 --> 00:06:11.199 would write and direct the first film after pitching his 120 00:06:11.279 --> 00:06:14.920 own story. And he's a filmmaker from Uruguay who previously 121 00:06:14.920 --> 00:06:18.480 directed horror films Evil Dead in twenty thirteen and Don't 122 00:06:18.480 --> 00:06:21.720 Breathe in twenty sixteen, So I was not familiar with 123 00:06:21.800 --> 00:06:23.680 his name when I saw him attached to this project, 124 00:06:23.759 --> 00:06:26.319 but I'm sure a lot of horror f fans were. 125 00:06:27.000 --> 00:06:29.920 I haven't seen the new Evil Dead either. I've been 126 00:06:29.959 --> 00:06:33.240 avoiding horror for a while, like a long while. I 127 00:06:33.240 --> 00:06:38.040 think personal life experiences have made the enjoyment of the 128 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:41.920 genre very difficult because it's so real sometimes that I 129 00:06:42.120 --> 00:06:45.319 just it's uncomfortable for me. But I feel like I'm 130 00:06:45.360 --> 00:06:48.160 in a new era where I'm like open to it 131 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:50.759 in a way that's kind of exciting. So I might 132 00:06:50.879 --> 00:06:53.639 check out The Evil Dead, and there's this element of 133 00:06:53.759 --> 00:06:57.639 Camp and the Evil Dead the original that I thoroughly enjoy. 134 00:06:57.839 --> 00:07:01.079 It's not a classic horror film in terms of the 135 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:03.800 way that it was executed when you think of like 136 00:07:04.000 --> 00:07:09.000 other films, but yeah, I want to I like what 137 00:07:09.079 --> 00:07:12.399 he did here, so I'm definitely interested in like his 138 00:07:12.680 --> 00:07:13.879 vision for other films. 139 00:07:14.079 --> 00:07:19.639 Yeah, and screenwriter Roto Seegways is also a longtime collaborator. 140 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:22.199 He was the writer on those other movies as well. 141 00:07:22.319 --> 00:07:24.959 Oh, I love that. I love when somebody's like not 142 00:07:25.079 --> 00:07:25.920 without my friend. 143 00:07:26.360 --> 00:07:27.639 Yeah, bring the team. 144 00:07:27.959 --> 00:07:29.279 Yeah. 145 00:07:29.439 --> 00:07:32.160 The film was initially set to be released on Hulu, 146 00:07:32.240 --> 00:07:35.160 but has later changed to a theatrical release. I do 147 00:07:35.279 --> 00:07:38.399 wonder if that does have to do with how successful 148 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:40.839 the movie Prey was, because that was a released on Hulu. 149 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.319 Oh yeah, that movie was amazing. I would hope that 150 00:07:44.399 --> 00:07:47.000 maybe they could do a theatrical release for that, because 151 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:48.879 I would pay money to watch it again at the 152 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:49.879 big in the big screen. 153 00:07:50.079 --> 00:07:54.360 Yeah. Alvarez sought out the special effects crew from nineteen 154 00:07:54.399 --> 00:07:57.000 eighty six is Aliens to work on the creatures and 155 00:07:57.040 --> 00:08:00.120 their physical sets. Practical creatures and miniatures. Were you who 156 00:08:00.399 --> 00:08:04.399 whenever possible to help ground the later VFX work. Actor 157 00:08:04.480 --> 00:08:07.199 Ian Holme, who played Ash in the original nineteen seventy 158 00:08:07.240 --> 00:08:11.079 nine movie, passed away in twenty twenty. Alvarez reached out 159 00:08:11.120 --> 00:08:14.519 to Holme's family, and his widow, Sophie is Simple, gave 160 00:08:14.560 --> 00:08:17.120 her blessing to use his likeness. The family was also 161 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:19.079 the first to see the rough versions of the scenes, 162 00:08:19.319 --> 00:08:21.879 and the decision was met with criticism as a debate 163 00:08:22.000 --> 00:08:25.319 around resurrecting decease actors on screen continues. 164 00:08:25.519 --> 00:08:28.120 Yeah, that's hard. I think if you have the family's 165 00:08:28.160 --> 00:08:30.800 blessing that that's like a major part of it. 166 00:08:31.000 --> 00:08:33.120 Yeah. I mean, that's really the only thing you can 167 00:08:33.200 --> 00:08:34.519 do at this point. 168 00:08:34.679 --> 00:08:36.799 I mean you could do it without their blessing and 169 00:08:36.840 --> 00:08:38.200 then just be an asshole. 170 00:08:38.639 --> 00:08:41.399 Yeah. I mean, I don't know the legal ins and 171 00:08:41.440 --> 00:08:43.399 outs of it, but I feel like permission has to 172 00:08:43.399 --> 00:08:44.399 be granted in some way. 173 00:08:44.519 --> 00:08:47.320 I'm glad that they asked the family. At least that's 174 00:08:47.399 --> 00:08:51.840 like common courtesy, But corporations don't have to have common courtesy, 175 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:52.559 and most. 176 00:08:52.480 --> 00:08:58.279 Don't so, as the movie illustrates, Yeah Diddy, Alvarez had 177 00:08:58.320 --> 00:09:02.639 several conversations with Ridley's and James Cameron before and during production, 178 00:09:03.080 --> 00:09:05.360 with Cameron giving notes on the script and the edit, 179 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:07.159 and Albarez made a point to say that he had 180 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:09.879 to choose when to follow in their footsteps and win 181 00:09:09.960 --> 00:09:13.440 to Rebel. The movie makes references and homages to every 182 00:09:13.440 --> 00:09:16.000 film in the franchise, as well as the video game 183 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:17.039 Alien Isolation. 184 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:19.919 HM, I don't play video games. 185 00:09:20.120 --> 00:09:22.159 I don't either, so we haven't really talked about that, 186 00:09:22.240 --> 00:09:25.080 but that game is held in like really high regard 187 00:09:25.480 --> 00:09:28.120 within like the fan base, and people put it up 188 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:29.679 there with the best of the movies. 189 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:30.440 Oh wow. 190 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:33.879 So and I know there is like a web series 191 00:09:34.240 --> 00:09:37.639 that was made somewhat from like the cut scenes of 192 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:40.639 the game, like an animation oh wow, and like new 193 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:43.000 scenes as well to complete the story. So we might 194 00:09:43.120 --> 00:09:45.159 check that out at some point because that's out there. 195 00:09:45.240 --> 00:09:47.600 There's also a bunch of short films that were made 196 00:09:47.799 --> 00:09:50.279 in the last decade, so there's a lot more content 197 00:09:50.279 --> 00:09:52.080 if we want to go into them after the movies. 198 00:09:52.519 --> 00:09:55.639 The film was shot largely in chronological order, which is 199 00:09:55.639 --> 00:09:57.799 a rare thing, but they were shooting primarily on a 200 00:09:57.840 --> 00:10:01.159 stage that allowed that to happen. The characters to kind 201 00:10:01.159 --> 00:10:04.039 of evolve over time. Movie is set in twenty one 202 00:10:04.200 --> 00:10:07.480 forty two, which places it twenty years after the movie 203 00:10:07.559 --> 00:10:10.159 Alien and thirty seven years before Aliens. 204 00:10:10.519 --> 00:10:11.919 Oh so it's like in the middle. 205 00:10:12.279 --> 00:10:15.519 Yeah. Oh. The film had an estimated budget of around 206 00:10:15.559 --> 00:10:18.519 eighty million, and it's had a big opening weekend at 207 00:10:18.519 --> 00:10:20.440 the box office and it's on track to be a 208 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:21.559 financial success. 209 00:10:21.799 --> 00:10:24.360 Oh that's great, because I haven't heard I don't know 210 00:10:24.399 --> 00:10:27.600 a lot of people, so I haven't heard anybody talking 211 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:31.879 about the Alien movie. And if I wasn't doing this podcast, 212 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:34.240 it would go. It would not. It's not on my 213 00:10:34.360 --> 00:10:37.240 radar with my current like consumption of media. 214 00:10:37.480 --> 00:10:40.360 Yeah, it really wasn't on my radar either, And it 215 00:10:40.399 --> 00:10:42.799 was only like we decided, well, I was looking at 216 00:10:42.799 --> 00:10:45.639 like what should we do next on the podcast, and 217 00:10:46.039 --> 00:10:48.399 it popped up, pulled up Alien and like, oh there's 218 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:50.440 a new movie coming out and a new TV series 219 00:10:50.480 --> 00:10:53.480 coming up. Yeah. I'm like okay, so yeah, And then 220 00:10:53.480 --> 00:10:56.840 I didn't really see anyone talking about it. I would 221 00:10:56.840 --> 00:11:00.919 occasionally see an ad on like social media, probably because 222 00:11:00.960 --> 00:11:03.039 I have typed in Alien enough times recently. 223 00:11:07.039 --> 00:11:09.600 They're like, oh, you like Alien, You're gonna love this 224 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:13.600 new joy we got going for you. It's got everything what. 225 00:11:13.519 --> 00:11:16.000 I would always scroll past because I went in without 226 00:11:16.039 --> 00:11:19.000 any trailers or anything. Yeah, and reviews for the film 227 00:11:19.000 --> 00:11:22.159 have been largely positive. Lots of praise going to the visuals, 228 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:24.480 the performances, and the horror elements. 229 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.000 Yeah, you know what I noticed. I think the main 230 00:11:28.120 --> 00:11:34.559 character kind of gave me eleven vibes from Stranger Things. 231 00:11:34.879 --> 00:11:39.600 She kind of gave that like young girl like vibe, 232 00:11:39.799 --> 00:11:44.000 so she's not like overly sexualized, which is really nice. Yeah, 233 00:11:44.080 --> 00:11:44.759 I really like. 234 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:51.759 That deep space dive. Let's break down some of our 235 00:11:51.759 --> 00:11:54.840 thoughts on the film. You can share your thoughts with 236 00:11:54.919 --> 00:11:58.320 us through email or social media. We may use your 237 00:11:58.360 --> 00:12:00.200 comments on an upcoming episode. 238 00:12:00.919 --> 00:12:04.320 One thing like you feel pretty immediately is like this 239 00:12:04.440 --> 00:12:08.159 feels like a new movie, but it also works very well, 240 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:11.639 like in the world established years ago with the first 241 00:12:11.720 --> 00:12:12.399 Alien Oh. 242 00:12:12.399 --> 00:12:16.200 Yeah, yeah, it even brings a new light to that world, 243 00:12:16.559 --> 00:12:19.799 Like they established this idea of the company and the 244 00:12:19.840 --> 00:12:23.200 way that we are treated as humans within this like 245 00:12:24.080 --> 00:12:28.240 mega corporation, and now we see what these colonies look like. 246 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:31.080 Yeah, just like I love that little bit of world 247 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:33.519 building there at the beginning, and then the rest of 248 00:12:33.559 --> 00:12:36.799 the movie we're isolated with this crew of like six people. 249 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:39.279 You know. Yeah, no, I think it was really cool 250 00:12:39.320 --> 00:12:43.399 to see the characters in their day to day like 251 00:12:44.519 --> 00:12:47.799 struggling and living in this world that's full of disease 252 00:12:48.080 --> 00:12:53.879 and poverty and forced work. And god, doesn't that feel familiar? 253 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:00.440 You know what I mean? Like, holy shit, man, Like 254 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:04.360 you're stuck with the like you think you worked enough 255 00:13:04.399 --> 00:13:08.559 to get out of your situation. You go to the 256 00:13:08.679 --> 00:13:12.399 higher powers, the you know, HR or whatever they like 257 00:13:12.480 --> 00:13:16.600 this this fucking agency, and you tell them, hey, I 258 00:13:16.639 --> 00:13:18.840 want to check on my permit so I can travel 259 00:13:18.879 --> 00:13:22.000 because I did my time, I did my five years, 260 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.799 you know, my contract is up. And they're like, yeah, 261 00:13:24.879 --> 00:13:28.639 so your contract changed something outside of your power. Things 262 00:13:28.679 --> 00:13:29.679 you can't control. 263 00:13:29.919 --> 00:13:31.240 The goal posts of it moved. 264 00:13:31.799 --> 00:13:34.679 Yeah, And that happens all the time in society. 265 00:13:34.759 --> 00:13:34.960 You know. 266 00:13:35.120 --> 00:13:37.960 You think, oh, well, you know, if I get my degree, 267 00:13:38.399 --> 00:13:40.440 I'm definitely going to be out of this, you know, 268 00:13:40.639 --> 00:13:44.159 And they're like, oh, yeah, well, here's like thirty thousand 269 00:13:44.240 --> 00:13:47.000 dollars of debt that you have to pay off. Good 270 00:13:47.120 --> 00:13:50.679 luck with that, and now we prefer a master's degree actually, 271 00:13:51.159 --> 00:13:54.279 And then you're so you're just like chasing this thing 272 00:13:54.480 --> 00:13:57.399 or or being told that you're never going to get out. 273 00:13:57.759 --> 00:14:00.639 You can't get out, and in this world they don't 274 00:14:00.639 --> 00:14:03.639 see the sun. How fucking horrible is that? Yeah, Like 275 00:14:04.399 --> 00:14:07.360 in our current time, in our modern era, right now 276 00:14:07.960 --> 00:14:13.440 we understand how seasonal effective disorder works. You know, if 277 00:14:13.480 --> 00:14:17.840 you don't have access to the sun's like rays, you're 278 00:14:17.879 --> 00:14:20.720 gonna feel depressed. You're not gonna have a good time. 279 00:14:21.080 --> 00:14:25.559 And it's like painting this picture of like this like 280 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:29.480 perpetual nightlife when she's walking down the street and there's 281 00:14:29.600 --> 00:14:34.639 like hookers and gambling and it kind of gives like 282 00:14:34.919 --> 00:14:39.399 a dirty Vegas And it was very interesting that, like, 283 00:14:39.519 --> 00:14:42.120 you know, what, what do we look like as a 284 00:14:42.159 --> 00:14:47.519 society that is forced to work? How do we find leisure? 285 00:14:48.120 --> 00:14:51.080 How do we find joy? When there is no light? 286 00:14:51.720 --> 00:14:54.559 You can't go hiking, you can't enjoy nature in the 287 00:14:54.600 --> 00:14:57.360 way because it's scary to go out at night. So, 288 00:14:58.080 --> 00:15:01.600 you know, it's it's a very urban, very like desolate 289 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:04.320 in a way though even though you're full of people, 290 00:15:04.799 --> 00:15:08.279 you're so alone. She's walking by herself with her android 291 00:15:08.320 --> 00:15:12.279 brother and like it's just her and him and it's 292 00:15:12.320 --> 00:15:17.799 so sad, and her android is played by like this 293 00:15:17.960 --> 00:15:21.480 tall skinny black guy that stands out in all these crowds, 294 00:15:21.679 --> 00:15:24.919 and he's like the cleanest guy there too. Everybody else 295 00:15:25.000 --> 00:15:28.399 is kind of dirty, And I thought it was interesting 296 00:15:28.519 --> 00:15:33.080 that they cast a black man to play this role 297 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:36.720 that kind of switches in between. So at first I 298 00:15:36.759 --> 00:15:38.840 was kind of like, what is going on? Why is 299 00:15:38.919 --> 00:15:42.399 he so like like there's something going on like with 300 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:46.559 him mentally or like he's like got a disability or something. 301 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.360 And then we find out that he's programmed. His program 302 00:15:50.440 --> 00:15:51.039 is just old. 303 00:15:51.639 --> 00:15:55.120 Yeah. So I believe they mentioned briefly like he was 304 00:15:55.240 --> 00:15:58.799 pulled out of the trash and her father like reprogrammed him. 305 00:15:59.080 --> 00:16:05.679 Yeah. So it's a very interesting choice to represent a 306 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:10.200 disability in this way that it's like a coding error. 307 00:16:11.679 --> 00:16:14.480 It's weird. I don't know. It didn't sit well with 308 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:20.120 me personally, that this is the representation for disabilities that 309 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:23.840 we have is like this childlike person that has to 310 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:28.720 be led around. There's a lot of people who are 311 00:16:29.159 --> 00:16:32.600 very high functioning, or even if they're not, they have 312 00:16:32.679 --> 00:16:36.840 to be somewhat independent. Even though they're like not able 313 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:40.320 to do things, they are capable of doing more than 314 00:16:40.360 --> 00:16:43.559 we give them credit for. And I don't know, it's 315 00:16:43.600 --> 00:16:47.480 just weird. It's some like initially just seeing the representation 316 00:16:47.639 --> 00:16:52.039 of like this black man following and being led by 317 00:16:52.080 --> 00:16:55.159 this little white girl, the imaging. 318 00:16:54.799 --> 00:16:54.879 The. 319 00:16:56.559 --> 00:17:01.960 Juxtaposition, it just felt weird. And then his one objective 320 00:17:02.039 --> 00:17:06.440 is to do what's right for her. It's so infantilizing. 321 00:17:06.920 --> 00:17:10.000 It kind of gave me Mammy in a way that 322 00:17:10.799 --> 00:17:14.799 like or you know, like like she has her servant 323 00:17:15.240 --> 00:17:18.519 that takes care of her, but because he's like not 324 00:17:18.680 --> 00:17:24.799 intelligent enough to do everything, she has to lead him along. 325 00:17:25.200 --> 00:17:27.640 But he's never going to do anything that's better for 326 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:34.400 both of them. And throughout the story he is controlled 327 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:38.920 by other people. There's no agency for him at any point, 328 00:17:39.000 --> 00:17:44.839 and that just kind of sucked, Like I don't know. 329 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:48.000 That was the one thing that I felt like was 330 00:17:48.039 --> 00:17:51.880 really lacking, Like I wish that there was a way 331 00:17:52.039 --> 00:17:56.559 for him to like take the computer chip that he 332 00:17:56.720 --> 00:17:59.920 was given where he was like hyper intelligent and very 333 00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:04.119 like articulate. If there was a way for him to 334 00:18:04.160 --> 00:18:06.920 cut that in half and keep part of it but 335 00:18:07.079 --> 00:18:10.839 not be a company man or something where he could 336 00:18:10.960 --> 00:18:11.920 have it all. 337 00:18:12.359 --> 00:18:14.720 I thought there might be something where he was. 338 00:18:14.680 --> 00:18:17.759 Gonna get up after he fell down or do something 339 00:18:17.799 --> 00:18:18.680 to save the day. 340 00:18:19.079 --> 00:18:21.599 Right, Well, yeah, I thought there's gonna be something where 341 00:18:22.000 --> 00:18:25.759 while he is has that other chip in him, that 342 00:18:25.880 --> 00:18:29.960 like something would happen where he needs to be the 343 00:18:30.000 --> 00:18:32.839 original Andy that looks at their rain to like save 344 00:18:32.880 --> 00:18:35.640 her life, make a decision for her best interest and 345 00:18:35.680 --> 00:18:38.799 not the company. Yeah, that he would kind of override 346 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:41.680 the right is programming, And maybe that would be a 347 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:44.240 cliche thing at this point, but like that's kind of 348 00:18:44.279 --> 00:18:47.559 what you're rooting for when you see like their relationship 349 00:18:47.599 --> 00:18:49.839 is disappearing because he's becoming a different person. 350 00:18:50.079 --> 00:18:54.039 Yeah, and that happens, and like it's scary because people 351 00:18:54.119 --> 00:18:58.559 do sell their souls to the devil and they change completely, 352 00:18:58.640 --> 00:19:02.319 you know. But it just felt really hollow that he 353 00:19:02.359 --> 00:19:05.279 didn't have an arc, that his ARC was, Oh, we 354 00:19:05.359 --> 00:19:07.480 took the chip out. Now you're back to being a 355 00:19:07.599 --> 00:19:13.160 dumb old Andy. Yeah, And it's like, well, that's not fair. 356 00:19:15.759 --> 00:19:20.559 He had he had he has to have some agency 357 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:24.240 and I mean the new directive okay, but girl, you're 358 00:19:24.279 --> 00:19:28.319 still including yourself in that. That's still very selfish. I 359 00:19:28.440 --> 00:19:30.559 was hoping she would say, why don't you do what's 360 00:19:30.640 --> 00:19:34.119 best for Andy? But it's us because you're stuck with me, 361 00:19:34.359 --> 00:19:38.119 and because you belong to me, you're my brother, but 362 00:19:38.200 --> 00:19:40.920 you're also my thing. And it's just weird. I don't know, 363 00:19:41.079 --> 00:19:45.279 it just I feel like they tried to establish that 364 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:50.839 brotherhood thing, but because Andy doesn't have a larger capacity, 365 00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:54.440 he like the most he does with her is like joke, 366 00:19:54.799 --> 00:19:57.880 he tells those dad jokes. He never says, you know, 367 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:01.880 I care about you or you know, even though my object, 368 00:20:02.039 --> 00:20:04.920 my prime directive is this, I wanted to be that, 369 00:20:05.240 --> 00:20:08.200 and there is no overriding. There is nothing that says 370 00:20:08.920 --> 00:20:13.440 that his core is about her too. She kind of 371 00:20:13.480 --> 00:20:16.920 does it when she runs back and gets him. I 372 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:19.079 don't know, it's just it was hard to believe that 373 00:20:19.200 --> 00:20:23.240 they had a deeper relationship than Girl and Android. And 374 00:20:23.680 --> 00:20:27.240 he never got like a satisfying arc, which it just 375 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:30.279 felt really sad to me because he was such an 376 00:20:30.319 --> 00:20:33.920 interesting character. And I mean he did go from like 377 00:20:34.519 --> 00:20:38.359 dim witted to hyper intelligent to almost evil and then 378 00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:40.759 he just go back, he goes back to dim witted. 379 00:20:41.079 --> 00:20:43.440 It just felt like so unsatisfying. 380 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:46.920 Yeah, I agree with that, I've I mean, maybe it 381 00:20:46.960 --> 00:20:49.559 didn't make sense with the rules that they were laying out, 382 00:20:49.599 --> 00:20:52.160 but like I just felt like he should have grown 383 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:54.240 in some way at the end, that like maybe he 384 00:20:54.640 --> 00:20:57.839 retained some of those motor functions that he recovered, or 385 00:20:58.000 --> 00:20:59.640 he does like intelligence or. 386 00:20:59.759 --> 00:21:02.319 Yeah something, give him something. 387 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:05.559 But I do think, you know, shout out to the 388 00:21:05.599 --> 00:21:08.920 actor David Johnson, because he played it out so good, 389 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:09.759 really well. 390 00:21:09.519 --> 00:21:13.240 Holy shit, man. When he was the bad guy, he 391 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.319 was scary and he like he the way that he 392 00:21:18.119 --> 00:21:22.079 like his physicality of like the twitching and like bad 393 00:21:22.119 --> 00:21:26.039 android and like haha he he dad joke, dad joke 394 00:21:26.440 --> 00:21:30.200 to oh well, it seems that I'm able to articulate 395 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:34.839 and notice that the creature is doing this. Oh my god. 396 00:21:35.079 --> 00:21:40.559 That was fucking fascinating and horrifying to go from like 397 00:21:41.079 --> 00:21:45.000 good old Landy to stranger with a mind, like a 398 00:21:45.160 --> 00:21:50.079 mind that we don't understand or really can Like, you know, 399 00:21:50.240 --> 00:21:54.039 he was simple. He was a simple creature with one objective, 400 00:21:54.440 --> 00:21:58.039 and now he's this complicated evil thing. 401 00:21:58.319 --> 00:22:00.960