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<v Speaker 2>Hello everyone, welcome to another episode of My Zon. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>Andy Moulbn, Jason.

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<v Speaker 3>Lyons, I'm Dimitri Cootacos.

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<v Speaker 2>And most importantly, we have as a guest Mick Molroy,

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<v Speaker 2>who is becoming a regular And in case you haven't

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<v Speaker 2>been fortunate enough to catch macbefore, he's a very important

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<v Speaker 2>man in a lot of sphares, although he would be

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<v Speaker 2>the last one to claim that title, you know. Probably

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<v Speaker 2>most notably, he's a former marine, so we always have

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<v Speaker 2>to have a higher ratio of Marines on this Marines

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<v Speaker 2>versus Greeks, but also former senior CIA operator and operative.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry I did and pronounce that very well, Dasty for

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<v Speaker 2>the Middle East. That's an Assistant Secretary of Defense, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know which time I was fortunate enough to work

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<v Speaker 2>with him, very much below him with him and then

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<v Speaker 2>since then has run the Lowbo Instudent. If you're interested

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<v Speaker 2>in the Lobo Instudent, and who could not be. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're interested in world events, if you care about things

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<v Speaker 2>like war and prevention of war and child soldiering, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know all the peripheral tragedy that comes along with geopolitics,

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<v Speaker 2>then Mick and his team are your guys. And I'm

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<v Speaker 2>a very junior member of the Lobo Institute. I'm still

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<v Speaker 2>waiting for my T shirt and my laminated card, but

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<v Speaker 2>nevertheless very proud to be part of the organization. So

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<v Speaker 2>enough enough intro make over to you, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>first and foremost, let's talk about the astounding news emerging

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<v Speaker 2>this morning about about Mossad outsourcing, assassination attempts or successful

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<v Speaker 2>assassination efforts.

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<v Speaker 4>That's right. Great to be with you guys from bullyag Many, Greece,

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<v Speaker 4>where I'm waiting for a flight ended, which apparently bone dull.

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<v Speaker 4>I will get there. I will get there next week.

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<v Speaker 2>I think I love it when you see that flash

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<v Speaker 2>on the on the airline screen, you know, not technical difficulty,

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<v Speaker 2>but it delays, according you know, to the armageddon. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>it kind of kills any complaints, doesn't it.

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<v Speaker 4>It does? It does. Some people go the other directions

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<v Speaker 4>and some people want to go you know who does,

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<v Speaker 4>but it's we're still working on our humanitary emissions. But yeah,

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<v Speaker 4>as a former co wort Bubba, I gotta I gotta,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, tip of the hat at least when it

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<v Speaker 4>comes to the ability of Israeli intelligence to do what

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<v Speaker 4>they did, right. You know, there's some discussion, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're talking about the LA politically. You know, I

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<v Speaker 4>think most US media outlets reporting that it was a

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<v Speaker 4>planted bomb, right, and now we've got IRGC saying that

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<v Speaker 4>there was some kind of close proximity guided munition of

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<v Speaker 4>some sort. So I don't know which one it was.

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<v Speaker 4>But obviously to be able to get into your most

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<v Speaker 4>senior adversaries adversaries as a country, and which is obviously

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<v Speaker 4>very controlled, you know, being top down autocracy, and do

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<v Speaker 4>something like this is pretty impressive. Now. I'm sure the

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<v Speaker 4>United States would have wish they didn't do it because

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<v Speaker 4>they would like to see a ceasefire negotiation succeed. And

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<v Speaker 4>this individual, of course was the main negotiator for the

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<v Speaker 4>moss But from Israel's perspective, we've got to look at

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<v Speaker 4>all it was one of two individuals that were primarily

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<v Speaker 4>responsible for the attacks on our first seven. Yeah, so,

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<v Speaker 4>but this is certainly two progued.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Nick, you know, you touched on something. I think

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<v Speaker 2>it's a good point to come back to, perhaps later

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<v Speaker 2>in the conversation about strategically, this may not be in

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<v Speaker 2>anyone's best interests except for a political party and power

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<v Speaker 2>and one man in power in Israel, you know, potentially

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that is the case, but strategically that

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<v Speaker 2>could be the case. What is But when we're talking

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<v Speaker 2>about the kind of a skillful mechanics of this hit

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<v Speaker 2>and make you you you know, you know more than

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<v Speaker 2>any most people on this, But there's a there's an opportunity,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's a cost once you once you execute, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, they had the according to the Daily Telegraph

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<v Speaker 2>this morning, who you know supposedly has half a dozen

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<v Speaker 2>sources within the IRGC. Uh, this was prepared like three

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<v Speaker 2>or four months ago. You know, three bombs were placed

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<v Speaker 2>in three separate rooms the IRGC. You know, the guys,

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<v Speaker 2>the informants are saying that that it was an inside

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<v Speaker 2>job in that Mossad hired agents from Answer al Mardi,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the protection unit that the IRGC uses for

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<v Speaker 2>domestic protection of the IPS. So it really is kind

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<v Speaker 2>of you know, these guys are super screens for loyalty

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<v Speaker 2>and everything else, as you can imagine, so it's an

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary you know, you're almost sense that maybe, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you want to be a conspiracy theorist, you've come

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<v Speaker 2>up with some thing where Natanya who is in cohorts

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<v Speaker 2>with Iranian administration here right, I mean, it's it's just bizarre.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway they executed. Now they can't do it again,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, So question number one was this right target?

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<v Speaker 2>You know whatever the ram oft We probably can answer

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<v Speaker 2>that now. But number two, what's the immediate fallout? I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Gharni himself came out yesterday answered this was like a

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<v Speaker 2>huge humiliation the outside. What what these informants are saying

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<v Speaker 2>is that the IRGC's reflexive response was, oh, this was

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<v Speaker 2>a missile and they claim to see a projectile outside

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<v Speaker 2>the pane of glass whatever, whatever. But that was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of an instant reflexive reaction to ship this was this

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<v Speaker 2>is really really fucking embarrassing. How do we explain this?

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<v Speaker 2>What do you what are your thoughts about that? I

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<v Speaker 2>know we can't verify any of that stuff right now,

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<v Speaker 2>but what do you kind of general thoughts about the

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<v Speaker 2>latest news that's right?

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<v Speaker 3>Anythme.

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<v Speaker 4>I can't verify it because I don't know. It's it's

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<v Speaker 4>just what I read on the media and people you know,

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<v Speaker 4>like to reach out and tell me things. But essentially, think,

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<v Speaker 4>if you look at this was done, it was an

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<v Speaker 4>exceptional intelligence covert operation. No matter how you look at

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<v Speaker 4>whether it's strategically smart or not, it was. It was

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<v Speaker 4>tactically sound and to be the ability to recruit somebody

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<v Speaker 4>that close and that screen, as you point out, is impressive,

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<v Speaker 4>and then get get these certain explosive devices in place

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<v Speaker 4>which could be detonated obviously remotely, once you realize that

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<v Speaker 4>your target was there, right, and they must have had

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<v Speaker 4>an idea that that Hynia and people like him stayed

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<v Speaker 4>in these they said, it was like a veterans type

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<v Speaker 4>almost like a boq or something like that. Something. But

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<v Speaker 4>they put VIPs that were you know, associated probably with

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<v Speaker 4>the proxy courses right in this area, and so they

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<v Speaker 4>must have they had to figure that out. They had

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<v Speaker 4>to get it in, and then I had to figure

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<v Speaker 4>out when he was there, right, because it doesn't do

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<v Speaker 4>any good just to clack it off and you know,

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<v Speaker 4>the wrong people are in there. So, you know, from

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<v Speaker 4>a technical and tactical COVID operations perspective, it was. It

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<v Speaker 4>was pretty phenomenal. Now I know people saying, well, they

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<v Speaker 4>did it, you know, with the intent to embarrass potentially right.

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<v Speaker 4>It was the presidential inauguration. He was invited as a

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<v Speaker 4>guest of you know, the Supreme Leader. It does look

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<v Speaker 4>like it was almost intended to just really just like

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<v Speaker 4>stick it to him right in the eye. And maybe

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<v Speaker 4>it was. It very well could be. I'm sure they

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<v Speaker 4>could say, well, we only had the opportunity then because

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<v Speaker 4>that's when he was there. But either way, I think,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, the United States came out, the US government

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<v Speaker 4>Secretary of Lincoln specifically and said a few things, we

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<v Speaker 4>have nothing to do with it, which may or may

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<v Speaker 4>not be the case. Obviously, the US Intelligence Service, I

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<v Speaker 4>am Massade, works very closer together. But since I don't

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<v Speaker 4>think we want to see this happen, I doubt that

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<v Speaker 4>we had anything to do with it. So I think

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<v Speaker 4>that's probably a fair point. I don't know, but it's

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<v Speaker 4>it's unusual that they would not have given us a

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<v Speaker 4>heads up, and and that is because, of course, we

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<v Speaker 4>have a lot of military assets in Iraq Syria that

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<v Speaker 4>are very vulnerable, uh, and we would like to know

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<v Speaker 4>when you know, our key partner countries do things that

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<v Speaker 4>would significantly antagonize Iran, which would then uh, potentially, So

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<v Speaker 4>I don't know if that's accard. I wouldn't question Victoria

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<v Speaker 4>point honestly. So that appears to be the case. And

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<v Speaker 4>we did not know, and we didn't participate, but we

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<v Speaker 4>are going to be dealing with the consequences, right, I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>we can get into their sending you know, the USS

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<v Speaker 4>Abraham Lincoln over there right now, they're sending another squadron

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<v Speaker 4>of your aircraft. You know, they already have the loss

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<v Speaker 4>group out there, multiple destroyers. It's just everything that I'm

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<v Speaker 4>talking to folks in the Pentagon as they're sending everything

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<v Speaker 4>they got because they expect that Iran will not only

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<v Speaker 4>have to respond, but they all have to respond more

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<v Speaker 4>significantly than they did even on in April. What April thirteenth.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it was because that was I mean, it

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<v Speaker 4>was a big show, had no effect. They you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they're going to have to do something at least as substantial,

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<v Speaker 4>but I think from their perspective with way more of

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<v Speaker 4>an impact or just going to be viewed as like

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<v Speaker 4>a fireworks show. And of course HESBLA does too, not

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<v Speaker 4>just because they essentially work. We're rod but you know flawed.

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<v Speaker 4>Shuoker just got killed in Beirut, right, So that's that's

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<v Speaker 4>so it's a double wind. I think we're going to

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<v Speaker 4>see something protect potentially from multiple different directions to try

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<v Speaker 4>to overwhelm their defense system, which is not going to

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<v Speaker 4>be good obviously for resonall, but obviously the United States

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<v Speaker 4>could be pulled.

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<v Speaker 2>Into Yeah, I'm sorry, go ahead, God.

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<v Speaker 5>So I'm just thinking any idea on who steps up

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<v Speaker 5>next to fill that vacuum after that assassination.

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<v Speaker 4>Jason, you're talking about for Camas and yep at HESBELA,

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<v Speaker 4>I don't, I mean, they always have. That's a good

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<v Speaker 4>question because this does go to the point that some

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<v Speaker 4>would make is every time you assassinate a leader, they

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<v Speaker 4>get replaced. So and I'm all again, I spent a

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<v Speaker 4>lot of time, you know, as you might imagine, chasing

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<v Speaker 4>people down. They did bad things in the United States,

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<v Speaker 4>and I was always you know, proud of, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>whatever participation I had with you know, taking them out

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<v Speaker 4>the battle space, so to speak. But you know, and

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<v Speaker 4>I ask, and you can ask a lot of the

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<v Speaker 4>guys in the last twenty years, they always get replaced.

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<v Speaker 4>It's like that's what they call it, mole in the grass, right,

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<v Speaker 4>So at first it seems like it's gonna have a

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<v Speaker 4>huge impact, you know, Okay, well, nobody can replace you know,

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<v Speaker 4>Ismael Heinea, He's been around forever. He was at one

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<v Speaker 4>time the commander ahead of Hamas and Gaza. You can

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<v Speaker 4>say all these things and flawed Shokler went all the

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<v Speaker 4>way back to the Bay Route bombing. I mean, he

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<v Speaker 4>was wanted for that US But so I'm one hundred

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<v Speaker 4>especially that guy seeing him gone. But you do have

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<v Speaker 4>to calculate that in with Okay, what's the strategic impacts?

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<v Speaker 4>What is this going to do? Uh? And you know

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<v Speaker 4>calculate that and the fact that he will be replaced, right,

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<v Speaker 4>I'd be replaced. Everybody replaced all the way up to

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<v Speaker 4>who's going to replace him? I would imagine that they

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<v Speaker 4>But I would say that that is that is something

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<v Speaker 4>But they always replace them, so it is worth thinking

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<v Speaker 4>them out. But it's always important to realize that it's

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<v Speaker 4>much as we would like, and you have to deal

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<v Speaker 4>with the consequences, which in this case, the cease fire

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<v Speaker 4>negotiations at least for the nearest maybe meetings are completely.

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<v Speaker 2>I always with what you just said in mind, Nick,

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<v Speaker 2>Zikawi's death than before. And yet you know, you remember

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean. But no, it was nearer the beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>I think we we love the culture, personality, and so

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, the overall situation. But our enemies are

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<v Speaker 2>that it's going back to how clever it was, the

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<v Speaker 2>fact that it has caused so much internal questioning and dissension.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, there's an internal blame game going on now

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<v Speaker 2>in the ILGC. You know, you've got a former Iranian

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<v Speaker 2>guys this would happen, or the officials of the Islamic

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<v Speaker 2>Republic should be worried about their lives. You know, this

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<v Speaker 2>is exactly what Israel wants, of course, you know, for

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, the perfect covert operation, which of course has a

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<v Speaker 4>Clandesquine side to it. So you don't you don't know

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<v Speaker 4>who did it, right, if it's obviously it's covert in

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<v Speaker 4>the sense that they're not going to claim it, and

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<v Speaker 4>But the perfect one is and they obviously know this

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<v Speaker 4>is visual is when they don't really know what happened, right,

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<v Speaker 4>that's and that didn't happen to this case. But if

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<v Speaker 4>think it was an inside job and you know, without

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<v Speaker 4>giving details, it was one uh specific mission I was

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<v Speaker 4>involved with where the group came from the sea. Right,

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<v Speaker 4>this is a small thing, but it really helped. And

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<v Speaker 4>it wasn't even then intent Remember those shoes used to

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<v Speaker 4>and everybody started running in them, and then dudes were

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<v Speaker 4>But anyway, they got real popular. So the people that

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<v Speaker 4>came the you know, the the group that was involved

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<v Speaker 4>here they were running around and oathen vice boots. Again

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<v Speaker 4>not intending to try to be sneaky. But the side

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<v Speaker 4>effect was when they left the group that went the

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<v Speaker 4>group that we were going against who had guys leave

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<v Speaker 4>and get killed and all this stuff, they thought it

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<v Speaker 4>was an inside job because they're like, this is an Americans.

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<v Speaker 4>There's they're barefoot. The Americas don't run around barefoot on

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<v Speaker 4>the right and it was really it really caused consternation

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<v Speaker 4>where they started killing each other and saying it couldn't

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<v Speaker 4>have been the Americans. I mean, they always you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they have all the gear. They're not going to do this,

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<v Speaker 4>so I know it's kind of a funny story. But

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<v Speaker 4>the point being is anything you could do in a

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<v Speaker 4>cover operation so that you you don't want to take credit, right,

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<v Speaker 4>you don't go into that business to be able to

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<v Speaker 4>take credit, and you know, pound your chest anything you

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<v Speaker 4>can do as a country that you're trying to carry

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<v Speaker 4>out these things were really confused whether it's an inside

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<v Speaker 4>job and all that is better, way better, that's the

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<v Speaker 4>best way to do it.

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<v Speaker 2>A really interesting point too, which is, you know, a

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<v Speaker 2>very insidious thought for the Iranians is that that in

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<v Speaker 2>order for this protection unit the ansil Maori Protection Unit

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<v Speaker 2>to have been infiltrated must have involved someone higher in

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<v Speaker 2>the organization. And you know, there's a quote in the

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<v Speaker 2>Daily Telegraph today again from an anonymous senior Oranian official,

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<v Speaker 2>and he says, it's still a question for everyone how

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<v Speaker 2>it happened. I can't make sense of it. There must

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<v Speaker 2>be something higher, right, so leaving you know, does he

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<v Speaker 2>need someone higher involved or something? But it would seem

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<v Speaker 2>to me that seems you know, again, I realized we're speculating,

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<v Speaker 2>but it is extraordinary because if you look back, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I was looking up on this protection unit and then

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<v Speaker 2>they just laid down by the Supreme Council of National Security,

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<v Speaker 2>and the Supreme Councilor of National Security essentially does a

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<v Speaker 2>mission analysis on every mission, determines the number of designated

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<v Speaker 2>bodyguards where they should be blah blah blah for each official.

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<v Speaker 2>So you you know, again you wonder if there's so

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<v Speaker 2>much attention from high up on higher up on the

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<v Speaker 2>security of VIPs and yet and yet the organization being infiltrated.

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<v Speaker 2>That's you know, that's I think that's an interesting point.

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<v Speaker 2>Number two, What happened to these guys after they planted

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<v Speaker 2>the explosives. Where the reports are from the Iranians that

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<v Speaker 2>they escaped the country, Well, how did they do that?

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<v Speaker 2>It's extraordinary, But it's an interesting point and make you

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<v Speaker 2>you've dealt with this many times, is what are your

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<v Speaker 2>obligations to your sources? Right in the past, when Mossad

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<v Speaker 2>has recruited locals, they have been less than protective. In

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<v Speaker 2>the aftermath they've you know that there's been some internal

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<v Speaker 2>criticism about that. Hey's an intelligence organization. We have to

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<v Speaker 2>value our sources and our accomplices. So this may be

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<v Speaker 2>a sign that they've evolved. They haven't, you know. In

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<v Speaker 2>order to to secure this kind of cooperation going ahead,

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<v Speaker 2>they have to establish reputation of looking after their sources.

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<v Speaker 2>Because you know, with all your background intelligence, what in

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<v Speaker 2>any thoughts about that, I mean anything unusual or is

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<v Speaker 2>that am I off the mark?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, you're definitely not off the marketing, uh andy. When

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<v Speaker 4>it comes to intelligence organizations, and these are good ones,

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<v Speaker 4>your protection of sources is absolutely clinnacle to the success

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<v Speaker 4>of your organization. So if your organization gets a reputation

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<v Speaker 4>for uh loose loops, I mean, you an't want to

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<v Speaker 4>work with period, I make it out there, right, so

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<v Speaker 4>even now how much money you can provide able or

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<v Speaker 4>or whether it's because it's not all money, right, some

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<v Speaker 4>some people work for us, A lot of people actually

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<v Speaker 4>based on philosophical and ideological reasons, right, They are in

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<v Speaker 4>a despot type of country, and they want to see

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<v Speaker 4>a change that is that does actually happen a lot.

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<v Speaker 4>But either way, whether you're motivated by money or ideology,

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<v Speaker 4>if you're not going to be around that long because

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<v Speaker 4>either sloppy trade graph or you know, the need to

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<v Speaker 4>get out there. And usually the boisterousness doesn't come obviously

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<v Speaker 4>from intelligence professions. It comes from political folks that want

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<v Speaker 4>to take credit for it, right. I mean, we've seen

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<v Speaker 4>that happen before, where even it was great and then

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<v Speaker 4>all of a sudden it's like officials that know stuff

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<v Speaker 4>want to say stuff, why are you talking about that?

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, how about we just say the guy's dead.

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<v Speaker 4>We just you know, just go with that, you know.

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<v Speaker 4>I Mean it's usually I don't think done for vindictive reasons.

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<v Speaker 4>It's just not really understanding the consequences as as it's

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<v Speaker 4>coming from a political entity and not necessarily the intelligence service.

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<v Speaker 4>Intelligence service, you never talked they should just be willing

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<v Speaker 4>to stay in the background. No parades, no, no uh

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<v Speaker 4>public you know, you get my point. It's it's really

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<v Speaker 4>not about that. It's about it's about uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>just being proud of what you're you did and keeping

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<v Speaker 4>it to yourself. You owe it to the individual and

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<v Speaker 4>you owe it to the organization long term.

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<v Speaker 6>Which is ultimately I have a question and the thought

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<v Speaker 6>kind of like, obviously Mussan knew where this guy was going, right,

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<v Speaker 6>he lived in Qatar. They're not going to do in

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<v Speaker 6>a Qatar obviously because like Qatar is like Switzerland in

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<v Speaker 6>the Middle East. So for Mussat to be able to

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<v Speaker 6>penetrate essentially the IRGC Secret Service right that protects VIPs

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<v Speaker 6>and for them to like burn that card, how deeply

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<v Speaker 6>penetrated is the IRGC by Mussad or Western intelligence agencies

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<v Speaker 6>for that to just like fuck it, you know, we

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<v Speaker 6>you know, we've been planning this and will blow our cover.

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<v Speaker 6>And that's that they have to be you know, extremely

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<v Speaker 6>like infiltrated.

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<v Speaker 4>And yeah, I think that's totally true. D I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>it really does show that they had incredible access, placement

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<v Speaker 4>and the ability to task right, and then they had

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<v Speaker 4>to get we our exposive then right enough to do

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<v Speaker 4>what they did. So and you know, again this is

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<v Speaker 2>I think one one really interesting aspect of the you know,

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<v Speaker 2>as as this kind of fools together. Someone should write

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<v Speaker 2>a book about it. Oh wait, I'm supposed to be

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<v Speaker 2>doing that. But but you know, kind of the really

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<v Speaker 2>as Mossat has emerged in the last few months, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Mossad has, despite its reputation, as you know, like any organization,

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<v Speaker 2>has gone up and down and has had some catastrophic

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<v Speaker 2>failures as well as some astonishing success.

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<v Speaker 3>October seventh was a catastrophic failure.

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<v Speaker 2>But that was that was really Shinbet at least, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's my that's a great point. But the

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<v Speaker 2>contrast between the you know, lead up to and Shinbet's

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<v Speaker 2>failures and it's as though, you know, the country is

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<v Speaker 2>regaining its status as a is an intelligence organization, which

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<v Speaker 2>was which was I mean, as an as an intelligence

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<v Speaker 2>focused country, you know, and and very sophisticated in both

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<v Speaker 2>technological and human and yet you had this enormous internal

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<v Speaker 2>failure with Shinbet. But Masad is really uh, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>regardless of whether we we think that the strategic outcome

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be positive for Israel. Masad is certainly

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<v Speaker 2>performing some extraordinary feats him, something that you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>would say, even with a couple of agency guys here,

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<v Speaker 2>that our organizations may learn from. Although we can't do

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<v Speaker 2>this sort of stuff, I understand that.

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<v Speaker 5>Indeed at it I'm sorry I think too. Going back

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<v Speaker 5>to what you were just asking and saying, as far

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<v Speaker 5>as the penetration, how deep it is, I think after

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<v Speaker 5>this operation there's going to be a hard reset within.

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<v Speaker 5>So I don't think they need to I'm not going

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<v Speaker 5>to say they don't need to worry about it, but

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<v Speaker 5>I think there's going to be a big purge.

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<v Speaker 2>And so I think that once they get.

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<v Speaker 5>The answers or while they're getting the answers that they

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<v Speaker 5>want on how deep did this go, they're just going

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<v Speaker 2>Is, and start all the right.

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<v Speaker 6>So that's what I'm saying, like, why do that if

417
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<v Speaker 6>you can get this guy almost at any time outside

418
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<v Speaker 6>of sending a message that like, we can get you

419
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<v Speaker 6>anywhere anytime in the in the Blairhouse essentially where you're staying,

420
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<v Speaker 6>and you know it's not you could do about it.

421
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<v Speaker 6>The fallout, though, is what kind of annoys me. It's

422
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<v Speaker 6>because like when Israel pops off and gets everybody upset,

423
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<v Speaker 6>we have to move carrier groups, We have to bring

424
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<v Speaker 6>in thirty, you know, fifty fighters to knock down missiles

425
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<v Speaker 6>that are gonna be shooting at it, like they know.

426
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<v Speaker 6>It's just I know, it's kind of frustrating as an

427
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<v Speaker 6>American because like, I'm not exactly pro Israel on this

428
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<v Speaker 6>specifically net Yao.

429
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<v Speaker 3>I'm not a net Yao guy at.

430
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<v Speaker 6>All, because I think he's doing this for political survival.

431
00:25:36.920 --> 00:25:38.359
<v Speaker 3>It just goes so much more deep.

432
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<v Speaker 6>And that's what I'm saying, as I'm not an intelligence guy,

433
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<v Speaker 6>but I would think, like, if you have an adversary

434
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<v Speaker 6>completely infiltrated, isn't it worth more in the long term

435
00:25:49.000 --> 00:25:50.160
<v Speaker 6>rather than just burning that.

436
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<v Speaker 3>I don't know.

437
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<v Speaker 5>I think someone in Israel, someone meaning some group of

438
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<v Speaker 5>people sat down and thought about that and said that

439
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<v Speaker 5>it was worth you know, the juice was worth the

440
00:26:02.000 --> 00:26:05.799
<v Speaker 5>squeeze in this case because of just what you said. Okay, yeah,

441
00:26:05.839 --> 00:26:07.480
<v Speaker 5>we're going to piss some people off with this, and

442
00:26:07.519 --> 00:26:10.240
<v Speaker 5>maybe we're popping off a little early, but we're also

443
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<v Speaker 5>going to get probably another character group out of this.

444
00:26:12.839 --> 00:26:15.680
<v Speaker 5>So we're also going to get political support from many

445
00:26:15.759 --> 00:26:19.200
<v Speaker 5>in the US in Western governments, So they were thinking

446
00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:21.720
<v Speaker 5>that the juice was probably worth the squeeze in this case. Yeah,

447
00:26:21.720 --> 00:26:27.759
<v Speaker 5>you know, and it might also cause pause in Hamas itself.

448
00:26:27.799 --> 00:26:29.480
<v Speaker 2>Some people are probably saying, whoa WHOA hold on?

449
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<v Speaker 5>I was supposed to go to Iran next month, you know,

450
00:26:31.799 --> 00:26:33.240
<v Speaker 5>can you guys actually protect me?

451
00:26:33.599 --> 00:26:33.799
<v Speaker 4>You know?

452
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<v Speaker 5>And also on the other side of that, there are

453
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<v Speaker 5>someone Iran are probably saying, do we really want to

454
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<v Speaker 5>bring these people here? If they're going to be we're

455
00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:41.599
<v Speaker 5>going to get bombs dropped on us. It might get

456
00:26:41.599 --> 00:26:43.720
<v Speaker 5>some of our people killed. So I think someone sat

457
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<v Speaker 5>down and thought about all that internal strife that could

458
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<v Speaker 5>be caused is worth the gain on the back end.

459
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<v Speaker 5>And Mick, if I'm wrong, please let me know.

460
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<v Speaker 4>I don't think either of you guys are wrong. I

461
00:26:55.079 --> 00:26:57.160
<v Speaker 4>think this is all part of the discussion, right and

462
00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:00.480
<v Speaker 4>the calculates going in here. So there's plenty of people,

463
00:27:00.799 --> 00:27:03.440
<v Speaker 4>as you know, Prime Minister in Naho is not that popular,

464
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.200
<v Speaker 4>it is wrang right, There's plenty of people, including I

465
00:27:07.240 --> 00:27:10.319
<v Speaker 4>think President Biden's even mentioned. Is I think he wants

466
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:12.559
<v Speaker 4>to extend the war because he realizes when the war's over,

467
00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.960
<v Speaker 4>the far right part of his coalition is going to

468
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:17.720
<v Speaker 4>say we don't need you. Right, then he's got all

469
00:27:17.759 --> 00:27:20.440
<v Speaker 4>sorts of legal issues he's got to go against. That's

470
00:27:20.480 --> 00:27:24.039
<v Speaker 4>his political issues, right or wrong. That's what some people think.

471
00:27:24.279 --> 00:27:29.119
<v Speaker 4>There's also a part of the IDF, even with its risk,

472
00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.839
<v Speaker 4>that thinks this is inevitable, Like they think fighting at

473
00:27:31.839 --> 00:27:34.440
<v Speaker 4>Hezmola is inevitable. Not that they want to, they've got

474
00:27:34.559 --> 00:27:37.240
<v Speaker 4>enough on their on their shoulders, so to speak. But

475
00:27:37.279 --> 00:27:39.519
<v Speaker 4>there's a lot of Israelis. It's like, look, we got

476
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:44.119
<v Speaker 4>what fifty thousand displaced Israelis sitting in hotels in Tel Aviv.

477
00:27:44.160 --> 00:27:49.519
<v Speaker 4>They can't go back to their homes around the northern border, right,

478
00:27:49.559 --> 00:27:52.200
<v Speaker 4>so they think it I don't think they want to

479
00:27:52.240 --> 00:27:55.000
<v Speaker 4>see this war, but they think it's inevitable. So in

480
00:27:55.039 --> 00:27:57.640
<v Speaker 4>some cases you could say why not just get this

481
00:27:57.720 --> 00:28:00.960
<v Speaker 4>over winter? And then of course there's other factor which

482
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:04.559
<v Speaker 4>hasn't got a lot of talk. Is according to news reports,

483
00:28:04.720 --> 00:28:07.799
<v Speaker 4>Aron's only like a week away from getting enough visile

484
00:28:07.880 --> 00:28:11.200
<v Speaker 4>material so uranium and rich to a certain level where

485
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:15.400
<v Speaker 4>it can make a nuclear weapon. Right, So there's a

486
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:17.720
<v Speaker 4>lot of bad stuff that could be happening. And from

487
00:28:17.759 --> 00:28:21.720
<v Speaker 4>the US perspective, you know, yes, there's obviously an issue

488
00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:24.960
<v Speaker 4>between the current US administration and the current is early

489
00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:29.960
<v Speaker 4>than this person. We are longtime security partners country to country,

490
00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.400
<v Speaker 4>so we are going to defend them. We're not going

491
00:28:33.440 --> 00:28:38.559
<v Speaker 4>to let them fail. So that's an issue they know, right,

492
00:28:38.640 --> 00:28:41.319
<v Speaker 4>So if we're if we start thinking as they're thinking,

493
00:28:42.160 --> 00:28:44.200
<v Speaker 4>they realize that this is inevitable and they're going to

494
00:28:44.240 --> 00:28:47.480
<v Speaker 4>have to do something to mitigate a nuclear armed era.

495
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:52.720
<v Speaker 4>They know that we're going to be there. So again

496
00:28:52.920 --> 00:28:54.839
<v Speaker 4>I think, I think all your ports are valid, and

497
00:28:54.880 --> 00:28:57.759
<v Speaker 4>this is something we've got to consider because it's we've

498
00:28:57.759 --> 00:29:00.799
<v Speaker 4>got to look at it from their perspective other whether

499
00:29:00.839 --> 00:29:04.279
<v Speaker 4>it's Satan Yah, who's you know, from his political survival,

500
00:29:04.880 --> 00:29:07.319
<v Speaker 4>or the country of Israel, including the security services in

501
00:29:07.359 --> 00:29:09.680
<v Speaker 4>the idea thinking that a lot of this stuff is

502
00:29:09.720 --> 00:29:12.799
<v Speaker 4>going to happen and they might as well get it

503
00:29:12.839 --> 00:29:13.119
<v Speaker 4>over with.

504
00:29:15.640 --> 00:29:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's definitely a you know, it's definitely part of

505
00:29:19.359 --> 00:29:22.279
<v Speaker 2>a plan intended to bring things to a head. You know,

506
00:29:22.319 --> 00:29:26.400
<v Speaker 2>and you look down and look across the board, you've

507
00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:31.960
<v Speaker 2>got this assassination of one of the chief negotiators, you know,

508
00:29:32.039 --> 00:29:37.240
<v Speaker 2>after a period where Israelis have been you know, I'm

509
00:29:37.279 --> 00:29:39.880
<v Speaker 2>just making a comment. I mean, the negotiations, frankly have

510
00:29:39.960 --> 00:29:44.440
<v Speaker 2>been a huge humiliation for the Israelis, and seeing someone

511
00:29:44.960 --> 00:29:48.119
<v Speaker 2>with the power of life and death of two hundred

512
00:29:48.319 --> 00:29:52.039
<v Speaker 2>or so innocent people and kind of milking it out,

513
00:29:52.160 --> 00:29:54.839
<v Speaker 2>that's the perception the Israelis have of this guy. So

514
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:59.400
<v Speaker 2>there was a revenge quote hint inn for sure, in

515
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:02.400
<v Speaker 2>a way to appeal to that very kind of basic instinct.

516
00:30:03.240 --> 00:30:06.000
<v Speaker 2>But of course, you know, the families of the hostages

517
00:30:06.039 --> 00:30:10.400
<v Speaker 2>are not happy because they see net cutting yet another

518
00:30:11.119 --> 00:30:15.160
<v Speaker 2>kind of lifeline to getting you know, any survivors out

519
00:30:15.160 --> 00:30:18.599
<v Speaker 2>of that. But at the same time, yeah, I'm sorry,

520
00:30:18.640 --> 00:30:19.960
<v Speaker 2>go ahead.

521
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<v Speaker 4>Oh, I was going to point out many they I mean,

522
00:30:22.160 --> 00:30:25.400
<v Speaker 4>what are the aspects of the intelligence services? Has really

523
00:30:25.440 --> 00:30:27.240
<v Speaker 4>come to lighten this? I mean it's always been there,

524
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:33.359
<v Speaker 4>There's always been this this kind of cloak room diplomacy. Right,

525
00:30:33.400 --> 00:30:35.400
<v Speaker 4>So if there's if it's sensitive and you wouldn't really

526
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:38.200
<v Speaker 4>want your secretary of state out there meeting with people

527
00:30:38.240 --> 00:30:43.079
<v Speaker 4>I come as, right, or any terrorist organization or unsavory

528
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:46.160
<v Speaker 4>characters oftentimes you use not just a CEI director that's

529
00:30:46.160 --> 00:30:50.559
<v Speaker 4>actually unusual, but other people down the ranks right that

530
00:30:50.759 --> 00:30:53.960
<v Speaker 4>do this sensitive diplomacy. And it's always been there, but

531
00:30:54.039 --> 00:30:57.680
<v Speaker 4>this is really highlighted it. And in some ways, even

532
00:30:57.680 --> 00:30:59.799
<v Speaker 4>though it does work pretty effectively, it hasn't worked that

533
00:31:00.079 --> 00:31:02.359
<v Speaker 4>well here, not for lack of effort. But this is

534
00:31:02.359 --> 00:31:04.519
<v Speaker 4>going to set that back because a lot of people

535
00:31:04.559 --> 00:31:07.119
<v Speaker 4>are going to say, wait a minute. So the whole

536
00:31:07.160 --> 00:31:10.279
<v Speaker 4>time they've been negotiating, it's been all the intelligence services.

537
00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:14.799
<v Speaker 4>Then the other guy's negotiator gets swacked like I don't

538
00:31:14.799 --> 00:31:16.640
<v Speaker 4>think it was I certainly don't think it was from

539
00:31:16.799 --> 00:31:19.680
<v Speaker 4>our side. But people can step back and say this was,

540
00:31:19.720 --> 00:31:25.440
<v Speaker 4>like this whole thing was right when you got the

541
00:31:25.519 --> 00:31:28.680
<v Speaker 4>chief of Masad Massade looking across the table at the

542
00:31:28.720 --> 00:31:31.119
<v Speaker 4>same time he's trying to negotiate at the same time,

543
00:31:31.160 --> 00:31:34.400
<v Speaker 4>he knows what's going to happen in this whole right.

544
00:31:34.519 --> 00:31:40.039
<v Speaker 2>So and now an interesting development, the head of Mossad,

545
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:44.680
<v Speaker 2>the shouinn't Bet and Mossade cheats have apparently landed in

546
00:31:44.720 --> 00:31:48.119
<v Speaker 2>Egypt today for talks on hostage release. And so that's

547
00:31:48.240 --> 00:31:51.839
<v Speaker 2>unusual when that previously net who had sent lower level

548
00:31:51.920 --> 00:31:56.240
<v Speaker 2>guys from you know, from both organizations. But now you've

549
00:31:56.240 --> 00:32:01.559
<v Speaker 2>got both cheats landing in Egypt, all right to to

550
00:32:01.559 --> 00:32:06.839
<v Speaker 2>to continue negotiations, which suggests that I don't know what

551
00:32:06.880 --> 00:32:09.920
<v Speaker 2>it suggests. I don't know, but it's yet another piece

552
00:32:09.960 --> 00:32:12.240
<v Speaker 2>of the puzzle. Right, why would they do that? Why

553
00:32:12.240 --> 00:32:15.319
<v Speaker 2>would they send them most important guys to Egypt to

554
00:32:15.359 --> 00:32:19.680
<v Speaker 2>meet with uh? You know that the head Egyptian, the

555
00:32:19.720 --> 00:32:23.759
<v Speaker 2>intelligence chief, a boss Kamal that of course you know

556
00:32:23.799 --> 00:32:27.079
<v Speaker 2>they I wouldn't say that, friends, but they know him, wouldn't.

557
00:32:29.480 --> 00:32:30.559
<v Speaker 2>Something's going on here.

558
00:32:31.640 --> 00:32:33.440
<v Speaker 4>So there is a line of thought, and this could

559
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.599
<v Speaker 4>go straight to your point of bringing that up, that

560
00:32:36.759 --> 00:32:41.559
<v Speaker 4>Hynia was the problem. He's obviously not under the director, right.

561
00:32:41.599 --> 00:32:43.880
<v Speaker 4>I guess he was actually, but he didn't think so.

562
00:32:44.799 --> 00:32:49.319
<v Speaker 4>Whereas the Hamas commanders in Gaza, when they got pressured,

563
00:32:49.359 --> 00:32:51.440
<v Speaker 4>that's when they started saying, okay, maybe we don't need

564
00:32:51.440 --> 00:32:55.720
<v Speaker 4>a permanency. Okay, you know, like they you could see

565
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:58.160
<v Speaker 4>the ship where at first it was a moss that

566
00:32:58.319 --> 00:33:02.680
<v Speaker 4>was the problem, and then you know, then Israel started

567
00:33:02.759 --> 00:33:07.519
<v Speaker 4>moving the goal post. There is a belief that Haynia

568
00:33:07.559 --> 00:33:12.079
<v Speaker 4>was what kept holding up an actual ceasefire. Ultimately he's

569
00:33:12.119 --> 00:33:15.960
<v Speaker 4>sitting in guitar Doha at you know, a parent's five

570
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:19.160
<v Speaker 4>star hotel. He had under the same pressure. At least

571
00:33:19.160 --> 00:33:21.640
<v Speaker 4>he didn't think he was. So that could be to

572
00:33:21.680 --> 00:33:24.119
<v Speaker 4>your if they are down there and this actually starts

573
00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:26.960
<v Speaker 4>moving forward. But the people that thought that, I think

574
00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:28.079
<v Speaker 4>would have some validity.

575
00:33:28.960 --> 00:33:34.319
<v Speaker 2>Very interesting, a very interesting take, right. You know, despite

576
00:33:34.359 --> 00:33:36.839
<v Speaker 2>all of our talk about, hey, this was intended to

577
00:33:36.839 --> 00:33:40.000
<v Speaker 2>push this through a crescendo, maybe it wasn't. Maybe it

578
00:33:40.079 --> 00:33:45.279
<v Speaker 2>was intended to aid negotiations. And if that is the

579
00:33:45.319 --> 00:33:49.880
<v Speaker 2>government Israeli government's claim, then sending two of the two

580
00:33:49.920 --> 00:33:52.799
<v Speaker 2>intelligence cheats to Egypt and the immediate optim off of

581
00:33:52.839 --> 00:33:56.519
<v Speaker 2>the assassination does kind of you know, it's it's meant

582
00:33:56.559 --> 00:33:59.240
<v Speaker 2>at least I think, to get that perception. It's because

583
00:34:00.359 --> 00:34:03.880
<v Speaker 2>they could have kept that visit absolutely secret. I mean,

584
00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.200
<v Speaker 2>they could have they know how to do that. So

585
00:34:06.240 --> 00:34:09.039
<v Speaker 2>the fact that the press knows about that visit again,

586
00:34:09.079 --> 00:34:12.079
<v Speaker 2>it's all part of this. I mean, it's interesting. Jack

587
00:34:12.119 --> 00:34:15.400
<v Speaker 2>will not appreciate this as an investigative journalist, but a

588
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:19.159
<v Speaker 2>lot of times investigative journalists are following in trace of

589
00:34:19.280 --> 00:34:24.599
<v Speaker 2>government breadcrumbs, right, we're not here in the States. I'm

590
00:34:24.599 --> 00:34:27.719
<v Speaker 2>not sure we're that's smart, just too New York times

591
00:34:28.800 --> 00:34:31.679
<v Speaker 2>with too much of the democracy. I mean, democracy is messy.

592
00:34:32.119 --> 00:34:35.400
<v Speaker 2>We can't make all these things happen, and thank goodness

593
00:34:35.440 --> 00:34:39.320
<v Speaker 2>we can't. But it's really yeah, it's another layer. Listen, Mick.

594
00:34:39.440 --> 00:34:42.199
<v Speaker 2>I know we've only got you for another twenty one

595
00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:45.199
<v Speaker 2>minutes and ten seconds. Not that I'm you know, not

596
00:34:45.320 --> 00:34:47.880
<v Speaker 2>that I'm counting every second with you with such value,

597
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.039
<v Speaker 2>but I of course I do. So what do you

598
00:34:50.079 --> 00:34:51.920
<v Speaker 2>want to talk about? What else do you have going

599
00:34:51.920 --> 00:34:53.119
<v Speaker 2>on in your life?

600
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.159
<v Speaker 4>So? I mean we've been working on the Humanitarian Court

601
00:34:58.320 --> 00:35:02.760
<v Speaker 4>or with Humanity Serenade in the Gaza, and obviously the

602
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:04.679
<v Speaker 4>decision was made to pull the jay Loots.

603
00:35:05.239 --> 00:35:07.719
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, can you can you talk a little bit about that? Well,

604
00:35:07.800 --> 00:35:11.960
<v Speaker 2>I mean because we all know, we all but I

605
00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.679
<v Speaker 2>for one, kind of grew up since you know, the

606
00:35:14.719 --> 00:35:19.039
<v Speaker 2>twenty ten twenty eleven in the planning community, thinking logisticians

607
00:35:19.119 --> 00:35:21.039
<v Speaker 2>had it, you know, I mean, this jay Loots thing

608
00:35:21.159 --> 00:35:24.280
<v Speaker 2>was awesome, and doesn't you know it seems to so

609
00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:28.079
<v Speaker 2>there may be some issues with the constant.

610
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:32.920
<v Speaker 4>Yes, yes, and you know what I could start with

611
00:35:33.039 --> 00:35:36.480
<v Speaker 4>it was an incredible effort on the part of a

612
00:35:36.519 --> 00:35:38.360
<v Speaker 4>central command, particularly the army conformer.

613
00:35:40.719 --> 00:35:41.239
<v Speaker 2>It was.

614
00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:43.280
<v Speaker 4>I mean you could just look at the manual and

615
00:35:43.280 --> 00:35:45.280
<v Speaker 4>see that it was going to be a challenge. The

616
00:35:45.360 --> 00:35:49.960
<v Speaker 4>jail lots does work in relatively calm seas or a lake,

617
00:35:51.000 --> 00:35:53.000
<v Speaker 4>and that's not what they got right. The Eastern Mediterranean

618
00:35:53.079 --> 00:35:56.000
<v Speaker 4>this time of year was not those things. And most

619
00:35:56.039 --> 00:36:00.079
<v Speaker 4>of the time it was above the capacity to I

620
00:36:00.199 --> 00:36:03.800
<v Speaker 4>was standing. So the criticism to use it, I think,

621
00:36:04.000 --> 00:36:07.159
<v Speaker 4>you know, it's fair one way or the other. But

622
00:36:07.239 --> 00:36:10.000
<v Speaker 4>I can say it brought in a lot of food

623
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:13.039
<v Speaker 4>even the short time it was up that it brought

624
00:36:13.079 --> 00:36:15.559
<v Speaker 4>in a lot of food into Gaza that was desperately

625
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<v Speaker 4>needed by the people of Gaza. They wouldn't have gotten

626
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<v Speaker 4>And at the end of the day, and we were

627
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<v Speaker 4>proud to be our small part to support it. Uh.

628
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<v Speaker 4>It was actually got to more people without being looted

629
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<v Speaker 4>than other parts of.

630
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<v Speaker 2>So fill a critically need at a critical time.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and I would like to see it continue right

632
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<v Speaker 4>our you know, Sam moundy uh and and I need

633
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<v Speaker 4>to group. And it came up with a plan, I

634
00:36:43.320 --> 00:36:45.679
<v Speaker 4>kind of we came up at the plan that didn't

635
00:36:45.719 --> 00:36:47.360
<v Speaker 4>require the jay Louts, right, So we'd like to see

636
00:36:47.360 --> 00:36:51.280
<v Speaker 4>it go back to that where it would be a

637
00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:54.079
<v Speaker 4>h a port facility, temporary that needs to meet the

638
00:36:54.079 --> 00:36:57.159
<v Speaker 4>standards of the Israelies that could withstand every sea state

639
00:36:57.599 --> 00:37:00.559
<v Speaker 4>in the eastern Metaterrane, right, so we'd have to be moved. Yeah,

640
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.960
<v Speaker 4>we'd be temporary there. We'd like to see that, but

641
00:37:03.000 --> 00:37:06.039
<v Speaker 4>that's those that's not up to us. Obviously are already

642
00:37:06.039 --> 00:37:09.679
<v Speaker 4>be happening. But we built we the US government, well,

643
00:37:09.760 --> 00:37:12.880
<v Speaker 4>we built the beach landing zone, the aide delivery zone,

644
00:37:12.920 --> 00:37:17.639
<v Speaker 4>it's already there, right, the Cypriot government and everybody set

645
00:37:17.679 --> 00:37:20.960
<v Speaker 4>up the system in Cyprus that's already there, you know,

646
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:22.679
<v Speaker 4>with the screeners and all that stuff that had to

647
00:37:22.679 --> 00:37:29.079
<v Speaker 4>go into play, and now there's no so hopefully, you know,

648
00:37:29.159 --> 00:37:31.559
<v Speaker 4>the government, the powers that be decided it needs to happen.

649
00:37:31.639 --> 00:37:34.760
<v Speaker 4>It's not us, by needs to be somebody else. That

650
00:37:34.800 --> 00:37:37.119
<v Speaker 4>doesn't mean they shouldn't have the ground quarters or up.

651
00:37:37.440 --> 00:37:39.960
<v Speaker 4>They should be opened up. But let's face it, the

652
00:37:40.039 --> 00:37:46.159
<v Speaker 4>desperate problem there needs to have every available needs to

653
00:37:46.199 --> 00:37:50.480
<v Speaker 4>get food, clean water, medicine in there. And eventually, when

654
00:37:50.519 --> 00:37:53.519
<v Speaker 4>this war is over, how are they going to do

655
00:37:53.880 --> 00:37:58.559
<v Speaker 4>reconstruction when eighty percent of the buildings have been significantly

656
00:37:58.639 --> 00:38:03.000
<v Speaker 4>damaged to the point of living without you know, access

657
00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:05.320
<v Speaker 4>to the seat. Right, you can see how many problems

658
00:38:05.360 --> 00:38:07.639
<v Speaker 4>there are just bringing forty to fifty trucks in a day,

659
00:38:08.039 --> 00:38:10.639
<v Speaker 4>how are you going to move that many, that much

660
00:38:10.719 --> 00:38:13.599
<v Speaker 4>rubble out and that much stuck in. So this is

661
00:38:13.599 --> 00:38:17.000
<v Speaker 4>a much bigger issue that I think once this war

662
00:38:17.039 --> 00:38:20.280
<v Speaker 4>is over, the international community the rest. But we're still

663
00:38:20.320 --> 00:38:23.719
<v Speaker 4>working there. We're doing what we can inside, working with

664
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<v Speaker 4>the un working with the NGOs that we've been supporting

665
00:38:27.039 --> 00:38:32.519
<v Speaker 4>the entire time, and obviously look for you.

666
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<v Speaker 2>Know, think about this and and all you know, great

667
00:38:35.079 --> 00:38:39.760
<v Speaker 2>points make it. It's very it's it's very easy of

668
00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:42.920
<v Speaker 2>course to you know, jump on as as almost every

669
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<v Speaker 2>newspaper did and attack, not attack, but just kind of

670
00:38:46.599 --> 00:38:51.039
<v Speaker 2>ridicule the j Lot's effort. But you know, if a

671
00:38:51.199 --> 00:38:56.000
<v Speaker 2>historical reminder, remember the Mulberry Harbor was smashed, was smashed

672
00:38:56.079 --> 00:38:58.320
<v Speaker 2>up in the immediate optim off of the you know,

673
00:38:58.400 --> 00:39:04.079
<v Speaker 2>the D Day landings by not a higher c state

674
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<v Speaker 2>than expected. It is something they thought they prepared for,

675
00:39:06.400 --> 00:39:08.920
<v Speaker 2>but it was decimated and they put it together again

676
00:39:09.519 --> 00:39:14.000
<v Speaker 2>and learn from it. And built up an enormously robust

677
00:39:14.159 --> 00:39:17.519
<v Speaker 2>logist over the short logistics system based on the lessons. So,

678
00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.960
<v Speaker 2>you know, we forget apparentlying kind of the I suppose

679
00:39:22.039 --> 00:39:26.360
<v Speaker 2>the jingoistic drum here that you know, we one of

680
00:39:26.360 --> 00:39:31.920
<v Speaker 2>our greatest strengths as Americans is our ability to innovate, Yeah,

681
00:39:32.159 --> 00:39:34.199
<v Speaker 2>and learn from and learn from what has happened, and

682
00:39:34.239 --> 00:39:37.559
<v Speaker 2>that is that's really the question going ahead isn't so

683
00:39:37.679 --> 00:39:40.400
<v Speaker 2>much what happened, why is what do we do now?

684
00:39:40.440 --> 00:39:41.920
<v Speaker 2>How do we develop it? How do we learn from

685
00:39:41.960 --> 00:39:45.320
<v Speaker 2>the lessons? And you're right very quickly. I mean you

686
00:39:45.400 --> 00:39:47.159
<v Speaker 2>mentioned fifty trucks. I mean you think about it. One

687
00:39:47.239 --> 00:39:51.559
<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty trucks was kind of sustainment level throughout

688
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:54.480
<v Speaker 2>this crisis. But as you point out, when you get

689
00:39:54.480 --> 00:39:58.679
<v Speaker 2>to reconstruction, it's going to be many times there. We've

690
00:39:58.679 --> 00:40:04.039
<v Speaker 2>got absolutely neat eat over the shoan, the ability to

691
00:40:04.039 --> 00:40:07.760
<v Speaker 2>deliver a material over the shoan. Otherwise it's just not

692
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<v Speaker 2>going to happen.

693
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<v Speaker 6>So for the permanent peer, what's what's holding it back?

694
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<v Speaker 6>Like what's the rub really money? Or is it like

695
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<v Speaker 6>political will?

696
00:40:15.480 --> 00:40:22.280
<v Speaker 4>Like there's funding actually as funding, it's it's approval by

697
00:40:22.559 --> 00:40:28.280
<v Speaker 4>is and it's it's the agreement by the United Nations

698
00:40:28.320 --> 00:40:32.199
<v Speaker 4>and the NGOs to keep using the system. So part

699
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<v Speaker 4>of it's like a chicken and egg thing. To be fair,

700
00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:35.199
<v Speaker 4>It's like, well, why am I going to send my

701
00:40:35.199 --> 00:40:37.760
<v Speaker 4>stuff to Cypress if there's no maritime corner? And then

702
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:40.639
<v Speaker 4>israelis like, well there's no maritime corner. What am I approving?

703
00:40:41.000 --> 00:40:43.519
<v Speaker 4>So and obviously a little bit of the advisory group

704
00:40:43.599 --> 00:40:45.599
<v Speaker 4>like US can't make this happen. Well, happened to talk

705
00:40:45.599 --> 00:40:47.960
<v Speaker 4>to anybody, but it's going to have to take, you know,

706
00:40:49.719 --> 00:40:53.079
<v Speaker 4>leadership to you and leadership in the United States and

707
00:40:53.079 --> 00:40:56.119
<v Speaker 4>an EU right because the Almafia plan coming out of

708
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<v Speaker 4>Cyprus is really a new you thing. It's a Cypriot

709
00:40:58.119 --> 00:41:00.440
<v Speaker 4>lead thing, but it's the the youthing. We're just going

710
00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:03.239
<v Speaker 4>to keep doing what we're doing inside and helping as

711
00:41:03.239 --> 00:41:07.519
<v Speaker 4>many people as you can until hopefully that gets resolved

712
00:41:07.519 --> 00:41:09.159
<v Speaker 4>and we can we can start right now, and the

713
00:41:09.320 --> 00:41:12.840
<v Speaker 4>funding is already there so we can. It's a it's

714
00:41:12.840 --> 00:41:16.119
<v Speaker 4>a temporary facility and the I mean, I don't want

715
00:41:16.119 --> 00:41:24.719
<v Speaker 4>to get too dirty on you, but you like, oh okay, cool.

716
00:41:25.920 --> 00:41:28.239
<v Speaker 4>We dredge out a slot that the barge can come

717
00:41:28.280 --> 00:41:31.599
<v Speaker 4>straight into the beach and it's a nest so it's secured.

718
00:41:31.960 --> 00:41:34.519
<v Speaker 4>And then there's a sea break, if you will, a

719
00:41:34.559 --> 00:41:39.920
<v Speaker 4>temporary one that depletes the wave issues right. And then

720
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.320
<v Speaker 4>there's a platform with a crane on it that can

721
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<v Speaker 4>take containers off and put it straight on the trucks

722
00:41:46.519 --> 00:41:48.719
<v Speaker 4>so you avoid the okay, put on a floating pier,

723
00:41:48.760 --> 00:41:50.800
<v Speaker 4>and then it has to be put on smaller craft

724
00:41:50.800 --> 00:41:53.039
<v Speaker 4>to bring it into the causeway and then down the

725
00:41:53.079 --> 00:41:55.400
<v Speaker 4>causeway to the tried in pier and then it's on

726
00:41:55.599 --> 00:41:58.599
<v Speaker 4>that was the jails. Ours is just barge comes straight

727
00:41:58.639 --> 00:42:01.840
<v Speaker 4>to the beach. And you know, the group that we've

728
00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:07.199
<v Speaker 4>been working with, the engineering group, the shippers and the logistics,

729
00:42:07.199 --> 00:42:09.679
<v Speaker 4>they've already done these. So it isn't a we can

730
00:42:09.840 --> 00:42:11.800
<v Speaker 4>they can. We could show that it worked, So it's

731
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<v Speaker 4>not it's thought, yeah, it's not theoretical.

732
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<v Speaker 5>Why didn't they do that?

733
00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:19.039
<v Speaker 3>Why didn't they do that instead of the jaylots?

734
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<v Speaker 4>Uh? I don't know. We came up to the this

735
00:42:23.159 --> 00:42:27.079
<v Speaker 4>plan that's referred to as the blue Beach plan basically

736
00:42:27.119 --> 00:42:28.960
<v Speaker 4>because the first beach we looked at was a blue

737
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:30.679
<v Speaker 4>beach and then we had to move it. But we

738
00:42:30.719 --> 00:42:33.960
<v Speaker 4>couldn't chase a name because everybody, you know this movie,

739
00:42:34.159 --> 00:42:35.199
<v Speaker 4>but you're.

740
00:42:35.079 --> 00:42:37.239
<v Speaker 2>Gonna have a blue beach. It's gonna be a blue beach,

741
00:42:37.320 --> 00:42:37.920
<v Speaker 2>the red beach.

742
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<v Speaker 4>Wise, Yeah, in December of twenty three, so this is

743
00:42:46.079 --> 00:42:50.559
<v Speaker 4>way before. But you know, that is what it is.

744
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<v Speaker 4>What I would say to those that, I mean, I

745
00:42:53.039 --> 00:42:55.800
<v Speaker 4>get the criticism of the Jaylots, but the christm of

746
00:42:55.800 --> 00:42:58.519
<v Speaker 4>the United States is you know, everybody else is talking about,

747
00:42:59.280 --> 00:43:01.159
<v Speaker 4>you know, what a christ as it is? What do

748
00:43:01.280 --> 00:43:03.719
<v Speaker 4>you do something about it? YadA, YadA, YadA, And we

749
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:05.000
<v Speaker 4>heard it all and all of a sudden it was

750
00:43:05.039 --> 00:43:09.840
<v Speaker 4>only the US. It pushed up here from Virginia to guy. So,

751
00:43:10.400 --> 00:43:13.320
<v Speaker 4>you know, I get the criticism, but it's like, hey man,

752
00:43:13.519 --> 00:43:16.320
<v Speaker 4>you know it's it's not the critic accounts, it's you know,

753
00:43:16.400 --> 00:43:18.880
<v Speaker 4>as Steady would say, it's Savana the arena. At least

754
00:43:18.920 --> 00:43:23.079
<v Speaker 4>these these women were in the arena and a lot

755
00:43:23.119 --> 00:43:25.920
<v Speaker 4>of other people were just holding you know, big fancy

756
00:43:25.920 --> 00:43:27.599
<v Speaker 4>conferences about what should be done.

757
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. No, I mean I couldn't. I couldn't agree more

758
00:43:31.480 --> 00:43:35.519
<v Speaker 2>with that sentiment. Make it's that that's kind of a

759
00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:39.239
<v Speaker 2>sub motto of our podcast here, right, If we could

760
00:43:39.280 --> 00:43:42.159
<v Speaker 2>figure out how to make it in one sentence, you know,

761
00:43:42.199 --> 00:43:47.320
<v Speaker 2>without sending so apliched And also, you know, the fact is,

762
00:43:48.800 --> 00:43:51.119
<v Speaker 2>and this is a reminder, I think for the US

763
00:43:51.159 --> 00:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>and as we come to an election and regardless of

764
00:43:54.280 --> 00:43:58.119
<v Speaker 2>which party wins, and we start looking at you know,

765
00:43:58.320 --> 00:44:03.960
<v Speaker 2>there's a very uring thought that is that that has

766
00:44:04.239 --> 00:44:06.960
<v Speaker 2>has taken hold perhaps both sides of the aisle, that

767
00:44:07.000 --> 00:44:10.599
<v Speaker 2>we can kind of retreat into ourselves and stop, you know,

768
00:44:10.679 --> 00:44:15.199
<v Speaker 2>helping the world and just focus on our Appalachian problems

769
00:44:15.239 --> 00:44:20.079
<v Speaker 2>or whatever it may be. But but the fact is

770
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<v Speaker 2>that we depend on you know, we depend for our standing,

771
00:44:26.119 --> 00:44:27.840
<v Speaker 2>on our worster and the things that we want to

772
00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:32.559
<v Speaker 2>do because we have that obligation. And it's the aftermath

773
00:44:32.639 --> 00:44:35.280
<v Speaker 2>is seven October, the phone didn't ring in Moscow or

774
00:44:35.280 --> 00:44:39.599
<v Speaker 2>in Beijing. It was everyone looked to the United States

775
00:44:39.599 --> 00:44:42.760
<v Speaker 2>for leadership and was highly critical when you know, the

776
00:44:43.039 --> 00:44:45.519
<v Speaker 2>perceptions were that the United States had dropped the ball.

777
00:44:45.599 --> 00:44:47.719
<v Speaker 2>But but no other country was there, and no other

778
00:44:47.719 --> 00:44:50.079
<v Speaker 2>country was willing to do this. And and so I'm

779
00:44:50.159 --> 00:44:52.800
<v Speaker 2>you know, I'm with you, Meg. I mean, I'm a

780
00:44:52.920 --> 00:44:55.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm a logical patriot in that sense.

781
00:44:56.079 --> 00:44:58.039
<v Speaker 4>I just just want to give you guys the heads up.

782
00:44:58.039 --> 00:44:58.920
<v Speaker 4>They usually call me.

783
00:45:02.079 --> 00:45:03.840
<v Speaker 3>Now Stephanopolis to wait bro.

784
00:45:05.519 --> 00:45:06.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah that's right.

785
00:45:07.039 --> 00:45:10.400
<v Speaker 3>Yeah. One last yeah, one last thing I want to

786
00:45:10.400 --> 00:45:10.920
<v Speaker 3>ask about.

787
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<v Speaker 6>This is a little bit out of leftfield, is uh

788
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<v Speaker 6>the whole deal with KSAM that was now rescinded. I

789
00:45:16.960 --> 00:45:21.840
<v Speaker 6>was going to I mean, that's crazy. I'm a New Yorker, right,

790
00:45:21.920 --> 00:45:26.039
<v Speaker 6>like the guy playing nine to eleven. I'm going to

791
00:45:26.079 --> 00:45:29.519
<v Speaker 6>be a little crass with this. The last twenty years

792
00:45:29.679 --> 00:45:34.599
<v Speaker 6>we've smoked a lot of people. Let's just let him

793
00:45:34.599 --> 00:45:36.760
<v Speaker 6>out and put a couple of slugs in the back

794
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:40.360
<v Speaker 6>of his head and let him go. No deals, no,

795
00:45:40.360 --> 00:45:41.519
<v Speaker 6>no lawyers.

796
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<v Speaker 2>Let's just do we have an editor of policy.

797
00:45:45.159 --> 00:45:48.639
<v Speaker 6>That's my editor. That's my opinion on that. I couldn't

798
00:45:48.639 --> 00:45:52.440
<v Speaker 6>believe it when I saw it. It was it was wild.

799
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<v Speaker 4>I know, thank you. I think you know answers are

800
00:46:00.519 --> 00:46:03.239
<v Speaker 4>I don't know that. You know, lawyers are working this deal,

801
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:06.599
<v Speaker 4>working this deal. Apparently weren't in formative shade of command right,

802
00:46:06.639 --> 00:46:09.159
<v Speaker 4>because there's like zero percent chance they're going to say,

803
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:13.079
<v Speaker 4>you can top a flea. You killed three thousand Americans

804
00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:14.920
<v Speaker 4>and we're not. We're going to take the death penalty

805
00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:18.639
<v Speaker 4>off on the table, right. I imagine that thing went

806
00:46:19.119 --> 00:46:22.880
<v Speaker 4>onto his desk, dreaded, thrown back out of his door.

807
00:46:23.480 --> 00:46:25.960
<v Speaker 4>But the fact that it didn't even know hit the media.

808
00:46:26.280 --> 00:46:29.960
<v Speaker 2>It hit the media before. I mean it just again,

809
00:46:30.039 --> 00:46:32.159
<v Speaker 2>it just kind of looks a little bit like a.

810
00:46:32.239 --> 00:46:35.280
<v Speaker 4>Yes, that was I don't think that. Maybe maybe the

811
00:46:35.400 --> 00:46:37.800
<v Speaker 4>lawyers tried to leak it so they because they thought

812
00:46:37.920 --> 00:46:41.719
<v Speaker 4>maybe they put them in a position where they couldn't. Yeah,

813
00:46:41.880 --> 00:46:43.039
<v Speaker 4>I mean, Lard was.

814
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:50.079
<v Speaker 2>Like, nope, maybe we can get General Austin on eyes on.

815
00:46:50.679 --> 00:46:52.880
<v Speaker 3>All right, we could try make help us out.

816
00:46:53.880 --> 00:46:57.639
<v Speaker 2>Talk about this and Afghanistan and other We.

817
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<v Speaker 5>Went under surgery and didn't tell anybody. Why can't have

818
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<v Speaker 5>on here?

819
00:47:02.480 --> 00:47:04.039
<v Speaker 3>Right? Yeah?

820
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<v Speaker 2>You know, I know what I know in his personal assistant,

821
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<v Speaker 2>one of his personal assistants, and he swears he wrote

822
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<v Speaker 2>it sticky put it on back that store. But it's

823
00:47:14.159 --> 00:47:14.920
<v Speaker 2>just you know how it is.

824
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<v Speaker 4>Hey man, what forty five almost fifty years of service?

825
00:47:19.599 --> 00:47:23.760
<v Speaker 2>You gotta right, that's right? You know, Honestly, I thought

826
00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:27.039
<v Speaker 2>that was a huge deal about nothing, you know, I mean,

827
00:47:27.039 --> 00:47:32.760
<v Speaker 2>we're all about not the person but continuity. Anyway, All right,

828
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<v Speaker 2>make over to you for wrap up comments before you

829
00:47:36.360 --> 00:47:38.719
<v Speaker 2>go on to your lesser station. What is it ABC?

830
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<v Speaker 4>Yes, yeah, yeah, Alys, Okay, what.

831
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<v Speaker 2>You're gonna take a You're gonna take a giant jump

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<v Speaker 2>down in circulation. So you had this massive audience before

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<v Speaker 2>it's yours.

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<v Speaker 4>Well, it's great talking to you guys again. As always,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm Pard here and heading into Israel as soon as

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<v Speaker 4>they let the planes fly right, and then we'll be

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<v Speaker 4>there for a while doing what we do. Look walk

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<v Speaker 4>forward to talking to you guys again. Thanks, hopefully on

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<v Speaker 4>the other side of armageddon.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, Thanks Megan. Guys.

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<v Speaker 6>Don't forget to check out don't forget to check out

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<v Speaker 6>the Lobo Institute.

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<v Speaker 3>The links will be in the description.

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<v Speaker 6>Andy Milburn, his substack, his book, everything will be in

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<v Speaker 6>the description. Patreon dot com, slash Teamhouse Keep our Lights on.

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<v Speaker 6>Mick is not cheap, so it's not it's worth every Yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>thank you guys,