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<v Speaker 1>This is Gary and Shannon and you're listening to KFI

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<v Speaker 1>AM six forty, the Gary and Shannon Show on demand

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<v Speaker 1>on the iHeartRadio app.

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<v Speaker 2>We were talking about to Department of Government efficiency, all

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<v Speaker 2>the headlines that have been made made by Elon Musk

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<v Speaker 2>and his group. A federal judge today has temporarily blocked

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<v Speaker 2>DOGE from containing access to certain Treasury Department payment records.

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<v Speaker 2>This temporary restraining order from Judge Colleen Koller Kotili says

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<v Speaker 2>the Treasury officials will not provide access to any payment

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<v Speaker 2>record or payment system of records maintained within the Treasury

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<v Speaker 2>Bureau of Fiscal Service. That's the program that handles about

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<v Speaker 2>ninety percent of federal payments trillions of dollars. But this

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<v Speaker 2>order comes after the Justice Department yesterday had agreed in

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<v Speaker 2>a proposed court order to make sure that they limit

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<v Speaker 2>access to the sensitive records to only two DOGE employees

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<v Speaker 2>special government employees within DOGE, and those two would only

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<v Speaker 2>have read only permission. This was approved today in a

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<v Speaker 2>brief order that came out from the judge. The share

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<v Speaker 2>by the way of Republicans who say they want Elon

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<v Speaker 2>Musk to have significant influence and the Trump administration has

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<v Speaker 2>fallen precipitously. In a poll that was taken just a

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<v Speaker 2>few days after the election, forty seven percent of Republicans

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<v Speaker 2>surveyed said they wanted Musk to have a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>influence in the Trump administration. Twenty nine percent said a little. Today,

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<v Speaker 2>the share of Republicans is way down. It went from

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<v Speaker 2>forty seven to twenty six percent. Meanwhile, they want Elon

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<v Speaker 2>must to have a little influence ballooned. It's up to

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<v Speaker 2>forty three percent, and now seventeen percent say they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want him to have any influence at all.

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<v Speaker 3>Hey, Gary, for everybody who's blowing a gasket about Doge,

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<v Speaker 3>Trump is not the first president to appoint an agency

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<v Speaker 3>or a committee like this. All kinds of presidents from

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<v Speaker 3>both sides of the aisle have done it. Woodrow Wilson

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<v Speaker 3>FDR appointed a committee, Reagan al Gore had a big one.

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<v Speaker 3>It's called different things, but you know, within the president's

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<v Speaker 3>purview to appoint a committee to do this. People just

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<v Speaker 3>want to complain, they really do have a great day. Well,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm Shannon, hope you too feels better.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you for that.

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<v Speaker 2>John Foster Dulles, for example, back in nineteen fifty three

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<v Speaker 2>was another example of what they referred to as a

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<v Speaker 2>government cleanup. Now at the time, he wasn't looking for

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<v Speaker 2>inefficiencies in government. He was technically looking for communists, spies.

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<v Speaker 4>And sympathizers. Not without reason.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there were there were some people in the

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<v Speaker 2>government who who did fit that bill, but they were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about getting rid of communists and communist sympathizers within

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<v Speaker 2>the government. It's not exactly analogous to what's going on today,

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<v Speaker 2>but this has happened before. There have been people dulles

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<v Speaker 2>would go around and demand not just loyalty, but what

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<v Speaker 2>they were referred to as positive loyalty, not just to

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<v Speaker 2>him but also to the cause.

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<v Speaker 4>So I mean it's it's happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Before, and the great potential is that it's going to

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<v Speaker 2>up and again at some point.

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<v Speaker 1>Some problem with what Musk is doing is that he's

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<v Speaker 1>doing it without any oversight, and the Republicans who hold

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<v Speaker 1>all of the controls over having oversight, are not exercising

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<v Speaker 1>their responsibility to conduct that oversight. That's the problem.

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<v Speaker 4>That is one of the problems.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's not that it's there's not oversight, it's that

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<v Speaker 2>it's not visible, right, Now, someone like Susie Wiles, White

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<v Speaker 2>House chief of Staff. She is the one who's probably

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<v Speaker 2>going to have the most oversight when it comes to this,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think Donald Trump has sort of given Elon

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<v Speaker 2>Musk free reign to do it. Susie Wiles is the

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<v Speaker 2>one who knows that there are limitations, so we can't

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<v Speaker 2>This thing's only been in effect for a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>weeks now, so we've got to figure out exactly how

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<v Speaker 2>this is going to work all right. Locally, the Eaton

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<v Speaker 2>fire over now to Dina burn more than fourteen thousand acres,

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<v Speaker 2>and the county sent out evacuation alerts to some areas

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<v Speaker 2>that were too late, and they did not use all

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<v Speaker 2>of the public warning channels at its disposal, and we've

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<v Speaker 2>seen that those lapses have had disastrous and in some

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<v Speaker 2>cases deadly results. Half of the La County Fire Department

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<v Speaker 2>waterdowsing helicopters were out of service. Apparently that equipment issue

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<v Speaker 2>like that means that firefighters didn't have all the tools

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<v Speaker 2>a massive wind storm was coming in and had been

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<v Speaker 2>with a report that said this is a sort of

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<v Speaker 2>a cascading event, a cascading series of problems that may

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<v Speaker 2>have led to the deaths of many many people on

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<v Speaker 2>that west side of Altadena. For example, Juan and Lori

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<v Speaker 2>Corral lived west of Lake Avenue. They've been there for

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<v Speaker 2>about nineteen years. They raised their teenage kids there, and

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<v Speaker 2>about dinner time they know the fire started six thirty ish.

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<v Speaker 2>They had lost power. About forty minutes later, he goes

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<v Speaker 2>outside and he actually takes a video of the fire

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<v Speaker 2>approaching and said that they were listening for an evacuation

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<v Speaker 2>alert on the radio, specifically to the east of Lake Avenue.

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<v Speaker 2>All those alerts started to come in, but none of

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<v Speaker 2>them went to the Corrals on the west side of

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<v Speaker 2>Lake Avenue, and one reassured his wife, don't worry, they'll

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<v Speaker 2>give us notice when it's time to leave. Their actual

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<v Speaker 2>warning came from neighbors, not from any official source, and

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<v Speaker 2>they left their house at about nine to twenty three.

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<v Speaker 2>They did take some things, but not enough. They had

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<v Speaker 2>no idea when they would have been able to return.

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<v Speaker 2>In an emergency alert system that can broadcast an evacuation

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<v Speaker 2>alert and warnings to lowal radio and TV, stations was

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<v Speaker 2>never activated by the county for the fire. They were

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<v Speaker 2>relying on the push notifications that went out via your

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<v Speaker 2>cell phone and the emergency alert system that they've got.

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<v Speaker 2>That's not the one that we do, you know, the

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<v Speaker 2>ones that we play, But they were using their own systems.

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<v Speaker 2>The La County Coordinated Joint Information Center set in a

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<v Speaker 2>statement it couldn't immediately comment on all of this.

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<v Speaker 4>They're doing their own third party.

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<v Speaker 2>Review the Board of Supervisors this when it comes to

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<v Speaker 2>the emergency notification system. But this Joint Information Center is

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<v Speaker 2>designed to release public information to all the different agencies

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<v Speaker 2>during an emergency, and the Sheriff's Department, the fire departments

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<v Speaker 2>supposed to work in unified command to gather to identify

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<v Speaker 2>evacuation areas OEM. The Office of Emergency Management issues orders

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<v Speaker 2>through their emergency notification system. According to calls that were

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<v Speaker 2>obtained by the Wall Street Journal, firefighters were made aware

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<v Speaker 2>of at least ten houses on the west side of

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<v Speaker 2>Lake Avenue that were on fire before an alert was

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<v Speaker 2>actually sent, and it wasn't until three twenty five in

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<v Speaker 2>the morning, at least nine hours after the fire started,

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<v Speaker 2>before an evacuation alert was sent to the west side

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<v Speaker 2>of Lake Avenue. A little bit more on this and

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<v Speaker 2>another story that you've heard Amy mention all morning, Edison

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<v Speaker 2>is now taking at least some potential responsibility for one

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<v Speaker 2>of the fires. A bunch of stories that we are following.

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<v Speaker 2>The EPA is going to establish a household hazardous waste

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<v Speaker 4>We'll talk about that coming up in a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>President Trump has taken the Truth Social to flesh out

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of his idea of what the plan

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<v Speaker 2>would be for the United States to take over Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>He said Palestinians would have already been resettled in far

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<v Speaker 2>safer and more beautiful communities after the United States is

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<v Speaker 2>handed Gaza by Israel at the conclusion of fighting, So

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<v Speaker 2>whenever that would be, and he said, the US, working

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<v Speaker 2>with the great development teams from all over the world,

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<v Speaker 2>would slowly and carefully begin the construction of what would

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<v Speaker 2>become one of the greatest and most spectacular developments of

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<v Speaker 2>its kind on Earth. A new strain of H five

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<v Speaker 2>N one bird flu has spread to six dairy herds

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<v Speaker 2>in Nevada. The Department of Agriculture there says this new

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<v Speaker 2>strain called D one DOT one has been connected to

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<v Speaker 2>serious infections in humans, but it is different than the

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<v Speaker 2>B three one three. It was detected in other dairy

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<v Speaker 2>herds throughout the country. This newer strain was first detected

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<v Speaker 2>in birds, and people came in contact with some infected birds.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll talk more about political stuff when we get into

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<v Speaker 2>swamp Watch. At the top of the hour, we were

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<v Speaker 2>talking about the Wall Street Journal's breakdown about what happened

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<v Speaker 2>in the hours leading up to and during the Eaten

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<v Speaker 2>fire over in Altadena, when emergency evacuation alerts for those

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<v Speaker 2>too late, many many hours after that fire had started,

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<v Speaker 2>and even after some of the homes on the west

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<v Speaker 2>of the other issues pointed out by the Wall Street

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<v Speaker 2>Journal is some of the La County firefighting equipment was

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<v Speaker 2>on the sidelines that we did. We the county did

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<v Speaker 2>pre position some of their assets fifteen engines, a bunch

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<v Speaker 2>of water carrying trucks, some firefighting equipment that were put

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<v Speaker 2>in different areas where the expectation was that a fire

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<v Speaker 2>could start. There were some crucial firefighting equipment pieces that

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<v Speaker 2>were still awaiting maintenance. About twenty eight percent of the

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<v Speaker 2>La County Fire Department's frontline large pumper engines were out

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<v Speaker 2>of surface as a service, most of those with mechanical issues.

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<v Speaker 2>The specialized rigs could carry five hundred galls loans of

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<v Speaker 2>water plus hoses, and in some cases the county did

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<v Speaker 2>tap some reserve equipment to fully equip their stations, but

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<v Speaker 2>that reduced the number of backup trucks that would otherwise

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<v Speaker 2>have been available now. According to the County Fire Department,

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<v Speaker 2>Heidi Oliva, a spokesperson, said the agency didn't have equipment

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<v Speaker 2>issues that affected its response and they planned to review

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<v Speaker 2>every aspect of preparation. She said they were unable to

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<v Speaker 2>complete an aircraft replacement plan that was recommended in twenty

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<v Speaker 2>production limitations. Half of the ten helicopters owned by La

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<v Speaker 2>County Fire were out of service on the morning of

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<v Speaker 2>January seventh, and again most of those were mechanical issues.

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<v Speaker 4>According to the Wall Street Journal.

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<v Speaker 2>The issues about all of this and what we can

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<v Speaker 2>do about it are part of the review. There's nothing

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<v Speaker 2>no reason to jump ahead of it, but there are

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<v Speaker 2>some very specific questions that need to be answered when

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<v Speaker 2>it comes to the cause of these fires. As we've

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<v Speaker 2>mentioned before, there are power lines in the area where

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<v Speaker 2>the Eton fire started in the hills above Altadena. A

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<v Speaker 2>couple weeks ago we told you about how there is

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<v Speaker 2>surveillance video that appears to show the beginning of the

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<v Speaker 2>fire white flashes kind of off in the distance, and

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<v Speaker 2>a few minutes later the telltale orange and yellow flames

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<v Speaker 2>that existed below the power lines in those hills above Altadena. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>on January nineteenth, a couple weeks ago, technicians for so

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<v Speaker 2>Cal Edison started testing the electrical equipment near the origin

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<v Speaker 2>of that fire, and according to Pedro Pizzaro, President, chief

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<v Speaker 2>executive of Edison International, they engineers noticed some small white

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<v Speaker 2>flashes that were appearing on the high voltage transmission lines

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<v Speaker 2>when the power was being restored. That is a telltale

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<v Speaker 2>sign that the system was functioning abnormally.

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<v Speaker 4>That doesn't mean.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what started the fire, but it's one of several

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<v Speaker 2>irregularities that Edison says that they're looking at to examine

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<v Speaker 2>the electrical system. And again Pizarro, president CEO of Edison,

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<v Speaker 2>said the findings are part of their ongoing investigation, and

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<v Speaker 2>at this point they do not provide any conclusive evidence

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<v Speaker 2>about whether faulty electrical equipment had ignited the fire in

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<v Speaker 4>Because that's what he has to say. He's not gonna.

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<v Speaker 2>He's not going to walk to the podium like he's

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<v Speaker 2>the CEO of a Korean airline and apologize over and

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<v Speaker 2>over again for the tragedy that caused the deaths of

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<v Speaker 2>those people in Altadena. He may eventually, but he's not

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's our stuff that started a fire.

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<v Speaker 2>Federal judge is temp imporarily blocked the Trump administration and

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<v Speaker 2>hearing on Monday to consider blocking the buyout offer even further.

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<v Speaker 2>Judge George O'Toole said, I am joined the defendants from

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<v Speaker 2>the completion of briefing an oral argument on the issues.

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<v Speaker 2>every federal employee who is subject to the buyout, more

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<v Speaker 2>than two million federal employees. We're facing a deadline tonight

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<v Speaker 2>There you'd get basically eight months of pay and benefits.

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<v Speaker 2>eleventh hour request to block the buyout from moving forward,

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<v Speaker 2>so he set a hearing today to consider a request

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<v Speaker 2>by three federal unions to issue a temporary restraining order

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<v Speaker 2>that would suspend the debt line. The unions that represent

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<v Speaker 2>a combined about eight hundred thousand federal civil servants have

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<v Speaker 2>and would result in a dangerous one to two punch

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<v Speaker 2>to the federal government. So at least forty thousand federal

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<v Speaker 4>That's since last week.

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<v Speaker 2>So that's about two percent, they say, of the civilian

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<v Speaker 2>But again, a federal judge temporarily blocked the Administration's fork

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<v Speaker 4>The reason they're calling it fork in the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently that was the subject line on the email that

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<v Speaker 2>went out to everybody. We were talking about the new

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<v Speaker 2>information from Edison regarding what started a couple of the

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<v Speaker 2>fires that began on Jane Nuary seventh, and the work

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<v Speaker 2>in discovering what happened which started the Eaton fire in

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<v Speaker 2>the hills above Altadena. They do say that there appears

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<v Speaker 2>to be some abnormal functions on the power lines that

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<v Speaker 2>run in those hills above Altadena where the fire started.

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<v Speaker 2>But the CEO and Chief execu sorry, CEO and president

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<v Speaker 2>of Edison International, the parent company Socalaedison, has said that's

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<v Speaker 2>not enough. This is an ongoing investigation. This isn't conclusive

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<v Speaker 2>evidence that they started the fire. That being said, they

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<v Speaker 2>are a little closer to accepting responsibility for the Hughes fire.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the Hurst fire. I apologize the Hurst fire that

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<v Speaker 2>started in the Silmar area and contained about eight days later.

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<v Speaker 2>That one really didn't damage much of anything. This was

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<v Speaker 2>out in the hills, thankfully, and never really got into

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<v Speaker 2>the neighborhoods there in Silmar. But this update from so

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<v Speaker 2>Cal Edison was part of the information that was submitted

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<v Speaker 2>to California Public Utilities Commission. The utility is required to

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<v Speaker 2>provide regular updates to the Commission, and what they said

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<v Speaker 2>in their statement today is SCE believes its equipment may

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<v Speaker 2>be associated with the ignition of the Hearst fire. Cause

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<v Speaker 2>of the fire still under investigation, and that SEE continues

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<v Speaker 2>to cooperate with authorities. The La City Fire Department is

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<v Speaker 2>also investigating. They reported that the fire started north of

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<v Speaker 2>Saddle Ridge Road, and yes, there are transmission towers in

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<v Speaker 2>that area, so they may be closer to accepting responsibility

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<v Speaker 2>for starting that Hearst fire in Silmar, but they got

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<v Speaker 2>a ways to go before they accept responsibility for the

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<v Speaker 2>eat and fire, the deadly and incredibly destructive eat and fire.

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<v Speaker 2>After all of this, and in the wake of the

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<v Speaker 2>destruction and the damage and the death from these fires,

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<v Speaker 2>there will be rebuilding. There will be to use the

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<v Speaker 2>corny term or reburnt of these neighborhoods, these communities.

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<v Speaker 4>To a degree.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't know what it's going to look like three

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<v Speaker 2>years from now, but we have seen other places in

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<v Speaker 2>the past, the Tubs fire, for example, up in the

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<v Speaker 2>Santa Rosa area devastated neighborhoods obviously didn't have as much

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<v Speaker 2>death associated with it, and the number of homes that

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<v Speaker 2>were destroyed, just the sheer number of homes was far,

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<v Speaker 2>far fewer than we saw on these January seventh fires.

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<v Speaker 2>But there is a roadmap there. There is a way

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<v Speaker 2>to rebuild these neighborhoods, maybe making them more fire safe.

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<v Speaker 2>You heard lausd talking about making the schools that they'll

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<v Speaker 2>rebuild more disaster proof. Maya Bratkas, for example, was watching

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<v Speaker 2>this fire back on January seventh, and on her family's TV,

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<v Speaker 2>she saw the synagogue in Pasadena where she went to

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<v Speaker 2>Hebrew school where she celebrated her about Mitzvah at thirteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and the thing was on fire and she didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>what's going to happen up in the hills what she

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<v Speaker 2>referred to as the natural splendor of Eaton Canyon. But

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<v Speaker 2>she was terrified for her family. They live around Altadena

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<v Speaker 2>and Sierra Madre. They weren't sure if they were okay.

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<v Speaker 2>She'd been struggling to make sense of all of this

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<v Speaker 2>and said, for her family, we didn't lose our homes,

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<v Speaker 2>so I'm not going through that grief. I know that

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<v Speaker 2>so many people did, but she said she felt herself

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<v Speaker 2>kind of fallen into a pretty dark place and she

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to be able to contribute. And the way she

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<v Speaker 2>did that was she created drawings for her friends about

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<v Speaker 2>what their homes used to look like, the homes that

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<v Speaker 2>they had lost. She is an actor, self taught artist.

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<v Speaker 2>She tufts rugs and crafts jewelry. She said she'd never trod.

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<v Speaker 2>She never trod. She never tried drawing houses before this,

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<v Speaker 2>but in her work at cal Arts up in the

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<v Speaker 4>It's the name. She pushed past her impulse for perfection.

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<v Speaker 2>She pulled up an illustrating app on her iPad and

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<v Speaker 2>started trying to sketch these houses anyway. She said, you

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<v Speaker 2>got lost in the rhythm of that creation of this art,

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<v Speaker 2>guiding her pen into the curve of the entryway, arches,

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<v Speaker 2>the blankets, the ukuleles that hang on the wall, the

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<v Speaker 4>And she said it wasn't perfect. Some of it was

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<v Speaker 2>She started adding details to the drawings, she started color

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<v Speaker 2>blocking them, and she said, I felt like I had

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<v Speaker 2>a purpose finding the little bits of light that I

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<v Speaker 2>could that she could put out there. And when she

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<v Speaker 2>finished the drawing, for example, for her friends, she wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to do more. So she goes to Reddit she shares

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<v Speaker 2>some of the images of the pictures that she's made

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<v Speaker 2>so far, these drawings, and offered to draw the homes

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<v Speaker 2>of those who had lost their places, and she was

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<v Speaker 2>going to do it free of charge. And if you

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<v Speaker 2>wanted drawings of homes that hadn't been affected by fire,

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<v Speaker 2>you could do it. You could buy them from her,

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<v Speaker 2>and she would donate anything she had made from that

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<v Speaker 2>to help her friends in Altaden. And she's been making

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<v Speaker 2>the drawings digitally, she's printing them soon she's going to

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<v Speaker 2>distribute them to people. And her website for the project

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<v Speaker 2>is now linked to a list of go Fundmese pages

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<v Speaker 2>for people who are affected by the fire, and said

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<v Speaker 2>donations to her project will go toward all of the

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<v Speaker 2>project's costs, including the possibility of putting together a book

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<v Speaker 2>on all of this. This is one example of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that people will find a way to help that rebirth,

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<v Speaker 2>rebuilding that exists, and more power to people like Maya

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<v Speaker 2>who will be doing this when it comes to the fires,

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, there will be incredible amounts of government

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<v Speaker 2>money that goes into the rebuilding. And one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things that happened yesterday is Gavin Newsom had to meet

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<v Speaker 2>with President Trump in DC. Gaven Newsom spent some time

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<v Speaker 2>with Donald Trump today in what is referred to as

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<v Speaker 2>CNN last night for an interview he kind of described

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<v Speaker 2>what his relationship is with with President Trump. There is

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<v Speaker 2>about trees and as a result of the fires that

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<v Speaker 2>we have seen, if there are questions that need to

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<v Speaker 2>be asked about what kind of trees exist in LA

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<v Speaker 2>in California in general when it comes to wildfires, Gaven

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<v Speaker 2>Newsom is already ordering the state to speed up some

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<v Speaker 2>of the rule making when it comes to wildfire safety

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<v Speaker 2>around homes in fire prone areas. And those rules would

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<v Speaker 2>actually ban most plants and combustible materials like mulch and

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<v Speaker 2>wood fencing that are close to your home. They would

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<v Speaker 2>require you to clear an area within five feet of

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<v Speaker 2>your home of five feet of your walls. That they

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<v Speaker 2>call it zone zero. An ember resistant zone. There could

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<v Speaker 2>be no flammable materials the exception of some mature trees,

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<v Speaker 2>and it would apply in those areas where the risk

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<v Speaker 2>of fire is rated as very high. You can find

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<v Speaker 2>the state's fire risk designations in different maps in different

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<v Speaker 2>places to see where you would be. The concept was

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<v Speaker 2>developed by researchers who found that homes are vulnerable to

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<v Speaker 2>flying embers that land close to the structure. They then

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<v Speaker 2>ignite the vegetation or wood mulch, or the fencing or

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<v Speaker 2>some other materials there. And the state legislature has mandated

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<v Speaker 2>the creation of these requirements, these zone zero requirements, which

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<v Speaker 2>were supposed to go into effect a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>the Border Forestry Protection has delayed. A spokesperson says wildfires

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<v Speaker 2>here at La means that the board is still in

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<v Speaker 2>the pre rule making phase of development for zone zero,

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<v Speaker 2>but at least one draft of it had the zone

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<v Speaker 2>zero requirements applying to new homes first and then later

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<v Speaker 2>to existing homes. It's not clear if they're still going

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<v Speaker 2>to do that, so we know that that's going on

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<v Speaker 2>the state level. Steve Lopez's column in the La Times

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<v Speaker 2>talks about the potential for getting rid of trees. Nobody

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<v Speaker 2>wants to get rid of trees in general, but there

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<v Speaker 2>are some trees that do better than others when it

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<v Speaker 2>comes to wildfires. As an example, those native grasses and

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<v Speaker 2>bushes that grow the California chaparral the coastal sage scrub

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<v Speaker 2>tend to be less flammable than non native grasses, according

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<v Speaker 2>to a research scientist at the Conservation Biology Institute also

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<v Speaker 2>happens to be a fire ecology expert and basically explains

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<v Speaker 2>that when you clear the native stuff out and then

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<v Speaker 2>let non native grasses and trees and bushes grow, those

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<v Speaker 2>non native plants tend to be more fire prone. If

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<v Speaker 2>you have a healthy, well watered live oak tree California

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<v Speaker 2>live oak tree on your property, or a sycamore tree

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<v Speaker 2>on your property, those can actually protect your home in

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<v Speaker 2>instances like fires. They contain a lot of moisture, They

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<v Speaker 2>can be more fire resistant than the house itself. They

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<v Speaker 2>can actually intercept flying before they get into the building.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of the homes that we saw destroyed in

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<v Speaker 2>both the Palisades and the Eaten fires were destroyed because

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<v Speaker 2>of the embers that we saw specifically blowing from palm trees.

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<v Speaker 2>Steve actually points out in his column, you know, getting

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<v Speaker 2>rid of a palm tree in LA would be like

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<v Speaker 2>getting rid of the Dodgers or surfing or food trucks.

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<v Speaker 2>But maybe based on the tiki torch like images that

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<v Speaker 2>we saw of these palm trees and they're burning fronds,

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<v Speaker 2>throwing embers into the air in ways that we had

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<v Speaker 2>never seen before, despite all the wildfires that we've seen

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<v Speaker 2>in this area, is this now a time to get

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<v Speaker 2>rid of some of those palm trees, because, by the way,

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<v Speaker 2>you go to Costa Rica and you see similar palm trees,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the same kind of palm tree, but it's

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<v Speaker 2>in a much more humid, moist environment. Those trees would

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<v Speaker 2>not act the same as the dried out remnants of

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<v Speaker 2>palm trees that we have here in southern California. Swamp

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<v Speaker 2>and are you okay with previews of commercials? This is

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<v Speaker 2>one of these trends that has popped up around Super

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<v Speaker 2>there's going to be a commercial about Dunkin Donuts with

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<v Speaker 4>Do we need a.

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<v Speaker 2>Preview of a thirty or sixty second commercial to entice

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<v Speaker 2>us to watch the commercials. You missed any part of

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<v Speaker 4>We will continue right after this.

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