WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.400 --> 00:00:02.759 Oh hey, it's the lady you see walking around the 2 00:00:02.799 --> 00:00:05.360 reservoir and you think that she keeps lapping you, and 3 00:00:05.360 --> 00:00:09.080 then one day you realize she's twins. She's a twin sister. 4 00:00:09.439 --> 00:00:11.800 They both jog at the same time, but like half 5 00:00:11.839 --> 00:00:14.759 a mile apart, and it shakes you to your core. Ps. 6 00:00:14.919 --> 00:00:17.480 This really happened to me. Ali Ward back with another 7 00:00:17.600 --> 00:00:22.519 spooky episode of Ologies. So this episode is technically creepy 8 00:00:22.519 --> 00:00:25.800 Crawleys in the Woods, but really it's about trees and 9 00:00:25.879 --> 00:00:30.600 caterpillars and butterflies and moths and solitude and fresh air 10 00:00:30.960 --> 00:00:33.960 and hiking. Okay, but before we set off on that trail, 11 00:00:34.039 --> 00:00:35.920 let's thank the folks who've got us here. Big thanks 12 00:00:35.960 --> 00:00:38.439 to the crew at patroon dot com sloshologies for supporting 13 00:00:38.439 --> 00:00:41.039 the show and allowing me to donate and support other 14 00:00:41.119 --> 00:00:43.240 causes and hire some folks to make the show better. 15 00:00:43.479 --> 00:00:46.320 Thank you to everyone making sure you're subscribed, who's rated 16 00:00:46.359 --> 00:00:48.320 the show, and the Apple app which keeps it up 17 00:00:48.359 --> 00:00:50.840 in the charts for others to discover. And of course, 18 00:00:51.159 --> 00:00:54.119 thank you to the review writers out there who know 19 00:00:54.479 --> 00:00:56.719 that I read them all because I pluck a fresh 20 00:00:56.719 --> 00:00:59.079 one like a little daisy. To present back to you, 21 00:00:59.159 --> 00:01:02.560 such as this one from Oolige, who says greatness much 22 00:01:02.640 --> 00:01:04.640 the same way as seeing Laura Lennie introduce down to 23 00:01:04.719 --> 00:01:07.079 Nabbey gave me the feeling that I'm about to experience 24 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:09.640 something truly great. I get a similar feeling when I 25 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:12.879 hear Ali Ward's voice and horologies into music. Also, I'm 26 00:01:12.920 --> 00:01:15.079 a super cheap person and I still signed up on 27 00:01:15.120 --> 00:01:19.760 Patreon Oolige, thank you. Okay, forest entomology, we are talking 28 00:01:19.799 --> 00:01:22.760 about things that live in the woods. So entomology comes 29 00:01:22.760 --> 00:01:25.840 from the Greek word for sectioned or notched at the waist. 30 00:01:26.200 --> 00:01:28.959 Isn't that neat? Now this episode, it's all about creepy 31 00:01:29.000 --> 00:01:33.200 Crawley's underneath a canopy of trees and about finding solitude 32 00:01:33.319 --> 00:01:37.480 among billions of other inhabitants. Now, this scientist chatted with 33 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:40.640 me from Appalaysia, and I think I say Appalachia like 34 00:01:40.719 --> 00:01:43.040 throw an apple Atchia because someone told me that once. 35 00:01:43.319 --> 00:01:45.000 But I think you can say however you want anyway. 36 00:01:45.079 --> 00:01:47.840 She studied forest biology at Penn State and then plant 37 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:52.040 pathology at West Virginia University and has published papers on 38 00:01:52.079 --> 00:01:55.840 all sorts of tree and bug interactions on native and 39 00:01:55.959 --> 00:01:59.480 invasive species, but also does incredible work in sycom with 40 00:01:59.599 --> 00:02:02.799 her whole brand k Dubs the Hiking Scientist, So you 41 00:02:02.799 --> 00:02:05.599 can follow her Instagram immediately. There's a link in the 42 00:02:05.599 --> 00:02:08.479 show notes you can scroll through all of her foresty photos. 43 00:02:08.719 --> 00:02:11.439 So we finally hopped on to chat and she spoke 44 00:02:11.479 --> 00:02:14.639 from her attic office in a creaky chair, her cat 45 00:02:14.719 --> 00:02:17.639 Tabitha on her lap, and we gabbed all about forests 46 00:02:17.680 --> 00:02:21.840 and bugs and cryptids and creatures and hiking and things 47 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:24.759 that fall from the sky and how to get mosquitoes 48 00:02:24.759 --> 00:02:27.039 out of your backyard and what to do about ticks 49 00:02:27.319 --> 00:02:30.199 and the curse of the spotted lantern fly and trees 50 00:02:30.240 --> 00:02:33.840 of heaven and machetes and things that buzz and bloom 51 00:02:33.879 --> 00:02:38.120 and bite and hide and inspire. So are the woods scary? 52 00:02:38.840 --> 00:02:42.039 What lurks in them? Should you go there? In a word? Yes, 53 00:02:42.159 --> 00:02:45.680 So get pumped to walk softly and look closely with 54 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:50.039 woods dweller and k Dubs the Hiking Scientist, Forest entomologist, 55 00:02:50.120 --> 00:02:51.599 doctor Kristen Wickert. 56 00:03:09.840 --> 00:03:12.240 Of course, my name is Kristin Wicker. 57 00:03:12.680 --> 00:03:17.439 And pronouns she her cool awesome. Just to you asked that, 58 00:03:17.879 --> 00:03:20.680 you know, I just started asking that recently because I 59 00:03:20.719 --> 00:03:23.039 have some listeners who are non binary and who are fans, 60 00:03:23.039 --> 00:03:24.840 and they're like, you know, that just helps to normalize 61 00:03:24.840 --> 00:03:25.439 it if you ask. 62 00:03:25.800 --> 00:03:28.120 Yeah, and it feels good. It's just nice because we're 63 00:03:28.159 --> 00:03:29.360 all people exactly. 64 00:03:29.639 --> 00:03:32.400 And so now where are you right now? Like, both 65 00:03:32.520 --> 00:03:36.680 geographically and situationally mentally. 66 00:03:36.639 --> 00:03:38.280 Yeah, I was gonna say, I don't think you want 67 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:40.639 to mentally, No one wants to talk about that anymore. 68 00:03:42.199 --> 00:03:45.919 So I'm in West Virginia, the heart of Appalachia, full 69 00:03:45.960 --> 00:03:47.240 of Pepperoni. 70 00:03:46.719 --> 00:03:50.280 Rolls and cryptic creatures such as Mothman. 71 00:03:50.719 --> 00:03:53.199 Oh did they ever figure out what the deal was 72 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:54.479 with Mothman? No? 73 00:03:54.800 --> 00:03:58.000 No, it's a mystery. Well, he's the part moth part man, 74 00:03:58.319 --> 00:04:01.599 and there's a beautiful he has a very shiny button 75 00:04:01.639 --> 00:04:07.319 the statue, and he is supposed to come before something 76 00:04:07.360 --> 00:04:09.319 bad is happening. So it's not sure if he's like 77 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:12.240 warning us, like get away the bridge is gonna collapse, 78 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:14.400 or if he's causing the. 79 00:04:14.319 --> 00:04:15.199 Bridge to collapse. 80 00:04:15.360 --> 00:04:19.519 Okay, cryptic, cryptic, it is cryptic. Now. I had only 81 00:04:19.639 --> 00:04:23.399 very recently heard about Mothman from an episode of Expedition 82 00:04:23.519 --> 00:04:28.079 Unknown featuring none other than Ology's guest Philterorus of the 83 00:04:28.160 --> 00:04:32.839 Lepidopterology episode on moths and butterflies, not the other Philterurus 84 00:04:32.879 --> 00:04:35.839 from the Apocalypse episode, although that would also track. But 85 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:40.360 quick overview Mothman. It's November nineteen sixty six. A handful 86 00:04:40.399 --> 00:04:43.199 of people digging a grave at night. What see a 87 00:04:43.319 --> 00:04:47.959 very large winged being with glowing red eyes. And they 88 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:50.800 shrug it off and they go about their creepier activity 89 00:04:51.079 --> 00:04:53.959 of digging a grave. And weeks later, a couple on 90 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.519 a double date describes seeing the same ominous creature near 91 00:04:57.560 --> 00:05:00.000 an old TNT bunker. Bunch of other people. 92 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:05.360 We'll see him, you know, there's a big bird looking thing. 93 00:05:07.160 --> 00:05:08.319 Go over top from my car. 94 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:11.920 And then just over a year later, tragedy befalls the 95 00:05:12.040 --> 00:05:15.279 small town as a bridge collapses into the river. So 96 00:05:15.560 --> 00:05:19.920 is Mothman an omen a warning, a bird, a hoax, 97 00:05:20.240 --> 00:05:23.759 a hallucination? I don't know, but Mothman sightings continue for 98 00:05:23.839 --> 00:05:27.240 decades nearby and then in other American cities. But all 99 00:05:27.279 --> 00:05:29.279 I can think about is, wouldn't it be fucking nuts 100 00:05:29.560 --> 00:05:33.439 if Mothman was once Mothboy and was like a sleeping 101 00:05:33.519 --> 00:05:36.160 bag with a bunch of arms and just ate so 102 00:05:36.319 --> 00:05:40.160 many cheeseburgers to bulk up because after a pupated adult 103 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:44.199 mothman lacked a mouth. What a backstory anyway, West Virginia 104 00:05:44.319 --> 00:05:45.319 where Kdops is at. 105 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.160 It sounds so silly, but when I'm in the woods, 106 00:05:48.160 --> 00:05:50.920 like I actually feel I don't know like I belong 107 00:05:51.160 --> 00:05:54.600 because like I know everything that's around me, but there's 108 00:05:54.639 --> 00:05:56.319 always something new to discover which. 109 00:05:56.240 --> 00:05:56.720 I don't know. 110 00:05:56.800 --> 00:05:59.040 And then you know that afternoon, I'll go home and 111 00:05:59.079 --> 00:06:02.360 fevershly figure out what it is. I'm actually one words, 112 00:06:02.399 --> 00:06:05.680 one talking. I'm gonna drive to the mountains and sleep 113 00:06:05.680 --> 00:06:08.360 on sleep in my car and work outside all day tomorrow. 114 00:06:08.399 --> 00:06:09.240 This is pretty exciting. 115 00:06:10.040 --> 00:06:13.680 How how long have you been into forest creatures? And 116 00:06:14.040 --> 00:06:15.759 when did it start for you? 117 00:06:15.759 --> 00:06:19.040 You know, it's funny because I went home to see 118 00:06:19.040 --> 00:06:21.360 my mom this past weekend, and she lives I grew 119 00:06:21.439 --> 00:06:23.800 up in like Eastern PA and I have a really 120 00:06:23.920 --> 00:06:25.639 like it's hard for me to pinpoint when all this 121 00:06:25.759 --> 00:06:26.720 like love happened. 122 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:31.120 And we found some like old comics that I. 123 00:06:31.160 --> 00:06:33.680 Drew when I was like eight years old, and it's 124 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:35.920 like a picture of me like crying because my brother's 125 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:37.720 like pouring a bunch of soda on a tree I 126 00:06:37.839 --> 00:06:39.439 just planted, and I was. 127 00:06:39.399 --> 00:06:41.399 Like, oh, I guess I really liked plants back then. 128 00:06:41.519 --> 00:06:45.319 Still, Brondo's got what plants crive, It's got electrolytes. 129 00:06:45.560 --> 00:06:47.879 So I think when I was a little kid, it 130 00:06:48.000 --> 00:06:50.879 was very you know, serenity for me to be outside 131 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:53.920 and adventures. And I read a lot of books back 132 00:06:53.920 --> 00:06:55.560 then when I had time, and so it was like 133 00:06:55.639 --> 00:06:58.639 easy for me to have a very active imagination when 134 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:00.000 I was in the forest, you know, Lord of the 135 00:07:00.079 --> 00:07:01.000 Rings kind of stuff. 136 00:07:02.240 --> 00:07:05.240 And when did you decide to do that kind of 137 00:07:05.279 --> 00:07:09.720 as your career. You got a PhD in woodsy foresty 138 00:07:09.759 --> 00:07:10.800 planty buggy things. 139 00:07:10.879 --> 00:07:15.800 Yeah, yeah, so I have a PhD in plant pathology 140 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:19.000 as well as a master's. And then my undergrad is 141 00:07:19.079 --> 00:07:22.560 kind of where all this started. My undergrad is in 142 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:27.560 forest science and I went to undergrad. It's kind of 143 00:07:27.560 --> 00:07:31.319 a long, strange story, but it took me five and 144 00:07:31.319 --> 00:07:34.839 a half years to get my undergraduate degree because three 145 00:07:34.920 --> 00:07:35.639 years of those. 146 00:07:35.480 --> 00:07:37.879 Were wasted thinking I would be like a I don't know, 147 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:38.759 a business. 148 00:07:38.399 --> 00:07:41.800 Woman, and then because I didn't know that you could 149 00:07:41.839 --> 00:07:45.399 have a job outside and right, yeah, and I ended 150 00:07:45.439 --> 00:07:48.399 up doing really bad in college. I was failing, like 151 00:07:48.439 --> 00:07:50.720 I didn't go to finals. I was like, it was 152 00:07:50.759 --> 00:07:54.120 like that bad. And my mom she told me to 153 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:57.160 go to community college just to like stop throwing money 154 00:07:57.160 --> 00:07:59.360 out the window and to like try to find a 155 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:02.480 really general topic I liked. And I ended up having 156 00:08:02.480 --> 00:08:05.560 a biology one on one class where we looked at 157 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.319 like an onion cell underneath the you know, microscope slide, 158 00:08:08.319 --> 00:08:08.720 and I was. 159 00:08:08.680 --> 00:08:09.959 Like, WHOA. 160 00:08:10.040 --> 00:08:14.399 I started getting a's and everything, and I got like 161 00:08:14.759 --> 00:08:17.399 an offer letter from Penn State to go there, and 162 00:08:17.399 --> 00:08:20.639 they said if you keep getting whatever gp A and 163 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:22.560 doing well in class, like you can come here. 164 00:08:22.600 --> 00:08:25.000 And I looked at their available majors and I was like, well, 165 00:08:25.000 --> 00:08:27.519 I want to be outside. What's outside? And the only 166 00:08:27.560 --> 00:08:29.839 thing I knew was a park ranger. I was like, 167 00:08:29.879 --> 00:08:30.839 I'm going to go to be a. 168 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:35.159 Park ranger and yeah, and they did have a degree 169 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:36.679 where you could go to be a park ranger. I 170 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:38.080 met a really good friend of mine, she's now a 171 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:42.360 park ranger in Zion. But I went and like really 172 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:44.960 liked the science part of it. Like we did a 173 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:49.200 conservation biology with like genetics and stuff, and that's what 174 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:51.840 led me get the forest science to be a forester 175 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:54.519 degree and from there it just kind of all kind 176 00:08:54.600 --> 00:08:57.600 of step by step by step, you know, a lot 177 00:08:57.639 --> 00:09:00.720 of good luck and being in the right place I 178 00:09:00.720 --> 00:09:01.559 am where I am today. 179 00:09:01.799 --> 00:09:05.120 M h that right place being outside I imagine. 180 00:09:04.879 --> 00:09:08.480 Yeah, yeah, this can't be pent up inside. It doesn't 181 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:09.559 go very well for my brain. 182 00:09:10.519 --> 00:09:13.960 And so what did you now? Your your work as 183 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.480 it is? Like what is it? What is a typical 184 00:09:16.559 --> 00:09:17.360 day like for you? 185 00:09:17.879 --> 00:09:22.840 Oh, lots of emails, lots of plan making, and then 186 00:09:23.039 --> 00:09:24.919 usually around like noon. 187 00:09:24.840 --> 00:09:28.919 There's action and I do a lot of outreach. 188 00:09:29.360 --> 00:09:34.000 So normally, if coronavirus wasn't happening, I would be going 189 00:09:34.000 --> 00:09:36.399 and like teaching kids about how to look for bugs, 190 00:09:36.399 --> 00:09:38.480 and like kids are a great avenue to look for 191 00:09:38.559 --> 00:09:40.200 invasive species because they're the ones. 192 00:09:40.039 --> 00:09:42.679 That are outside and they're the ones that aren't afraid. 193 00:09:42.399 --> 00:09:44.279 Yet to touch things. I would do things with like 194 00:09:44.360 --> 00:09:47.320 master gardeners. I would do things where I would speak 195 00:09:47.320 --> 00:09:50.519 at seminars with like colleges and stuff like on more 196 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.480 in depth topics. Now I do a lot of serving 197 00:09:55.000 --> 00:09:58.759 for invasive species, Like we do a lot of fieldwork. 198 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:00.840 Now we're trying to like ALC at the time in 199 00:10:00.879 --> 00:10:04.120 a very appropriate way because we can't do these outreach opportunities. 200 00:10:04.440 --> 00:10:06.200 We're like getting our boots on the ground and like 201 00:10:06.240 --> 00:10:08.840 trying to like solve any problems we can because we 202 00:10:08.840 --> 00:10:11.519 have time now. So I go outside and uh I 203 00:10:11.639 --> 00:10:15.879 scout for insects and plant diseases. I help out farmers 204 00:10:15.919 --> 00:10:18.960 to get them certified. It's fun, it's wild. It's different 205 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:19.440 every day. 206 00:10:20.200 --> 00:10:23.039 What is a bug in the forest that you've seen 207 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:26.000 that was like a celebrity spotting for you? Was there 208 00:10:26.039 --> 00:10:27.840 anyone that you're like, oh, hi. 209 00:10:27.840 --> 00:10:32.200 Dude, man the uh so kind of see I sounded 210 00:10:32.279 --> 00:10:34.240 snarky probably when I was like, oh, I know everything 211 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:37.159 in the woods. But now it's like, every like couple 212 00:10:37.240 --> 00:10:39.480 of months, I'm like, man, I didn't know that that whole. 213 00:10:39.279 --> 00:10:41.600 Like genus existed, and then they're everywhere. 214 00:10:41.639 --> 00:10:44.080 It's just like this whole thing of like your eyes 215 00:10:44.120 --> 00:10:47.679 open up once you notice something or like learn how 216 00:10:47.720 --> 00:10:50.799 something exists. But like lately it's been the really huge 217 00:10:51.360 --> 00:10:57.240 chonky saturnid caterpillars. Oh yeah, they are just like they're huge. 218 00:10:57.279 --> 00:10:59.360 They're like almost the size of a hot dog. 219 00:11:00.000 --> 00:11:05.159 Oh my god, So if I eat this entire that gross. 220 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:09.879 Hot like a little Jimmy Dean sausage, and they're just 221 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:13.039 like hanging out underneath like the on the bottom or 222 00:11:13.120 --> 00:11:15.679 underside of leaves, like just hanging out in muncheon. And 223 00:11:16.360 --> 00:11:18.399 you know, normally as a forester, I'm like looking at 224 00:11:18.440 --> 00:11:21.960 like logs and stems, and then I'm looking for mushrooms 225 00:11:21.960 --> 00:11:23.600 on the ground and it's just like, man, you really 226 00:11:23.600 --> 00:11:25.840 there's so many different levels in the forest that you 227 00:11:25.879 --> 00:11:27.279 have to train your eyes to look for. 228 00:11:27.679 --> 00:11:29.919 And right now I'm looking for Jimmy Dean hot dogs. 229 00:11:30.360 --> 00:11:33.559 So Kristin has pictures on her Instagram of these Imperial 230 00:11:33.600 --> 00:11:37.159 Moth chunkies and they do very much look like a 231 00:11:37.159 --> 00:11:41.360 turkey link from a hotel breakfast maffe but with more legs. 232 00:11:42.559 --> 00:11:43.559 Do people ever eat them? 233 00:11:43.679 --> 00:11:44.679 Oh my god, I don't know. 234 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:45.679 I don't know. 235 00:11:45.960 --> 00:11:46.480 I imagine. 236 00:11:46.519 --> 00:11:48.679 I mean every time I see one, actually, like the 237 00:11:48.720 --> 00:11:53.960 Imperial Moth has a pretty big like fill to the 238 00:11:54.000 --> 00:11:57.320 brim with goo caterpillar, and I always think of that 239 00:11:57.399 --> 00:12:02.039 scene in Lion King when your pat is like slurping down, 240 00:12:02.399 --> 00:12:04.639 Like every time I see I think of that. 241 00:12:07.120 --> 00:12:10.879 I imagine they must taste very buttery, just cute, just 242 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.080 or maybe like a raw tomato. I don't know. I'll 243 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:13.279 get it. 244 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:16.600 I have I have eaten insects before, and they're usually 245 00:12:16.679 --> 00:12:20.559 pretty bland or acidy. 246 00:12:20.639 --> 00:12:22.320 They're not very good on their own. 247 00:12:22.919 --> 00:12:24.320 A little green field conyne. 248 00:12:24.519 --> 00:12:29.159 What does a professional like woods trumper, bug hunter? 249 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:29.559 Like? 250 00:12:29.600 --> 00:12:31.360 What is essential in your kit? Do you have like 251 00:12:31.399 --> 00:12:35.799 a butterfly net and a handlen's like a pickled jar 252 00:12:35.960 --> 00:12:38.200 with like a rubber band over it. Like, what's happening? 253 00:12:38.360 --> 00:12:44.080 So my title is I'm a forest entomologist and forest 254 00:12:44.120 --> 00:12:47.279 plant pathologist. I do a lot and they there's a 255 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:51.440 lot of intersections between those careers. But my jeep always 256 00:12:51.519 --> 00:12:54.759 has some kind of educational content. I'm trying to think 257 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:56.879 of what's in it right now. I have two butterfly nets. 258 00:12:57.080 --> 00:13:00.840 I have something called a beat sheet. It's a maybe 259 00:13:00.840 --> 00:13:05.279 it's like two feet long, like it's a square. 260 00:13:05.360 --> 00:13:06.399 It's a white sheet, and. 261 00:13:06.360 --> 00:13:08.759 You hold it underneath the branch and you hit the 262 00:13:08.799 --> 00:13:12.120 branch really hard with like another stick, and then extended 263 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:14.879 so it's flat and so the insects fall on it. 264 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:17.960 I do see who's hanging out that you would normally ignore. 265 00:13:18.000 --> 00:13:19.320 It's really good for caterpillars. 266 00:13:19.519 --> 00:13:21.879 Oh my god, I've never even heard of that. 267 00:13:21.919 --> 00:13:22.240 Before. 268 00:13:22.559 --> 00:13:26.159 Yeah, it's really helpful to do insects surveys when it's 269 00:13:26.279 --> 00:13:30.039 raining because the insects use the leaves as like little umbrellas, 270 00:13:30.080 --> 00:13:31.840 and so you can go out there and you can 271 00:13:31.879 --> 00:13:35.799 see who's hiding hy kind of concentrated. It's easy to 272 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:37.039 check out diversity that way. 273 00:13:37.080 --> 00:13:39.440 And then what about one of those sheets with a 274 00:13:39.480 --> 00:13:40.000 black light. 275 00:13:40.240 --> 00:13:42.600 I have one of those too. It's actually right behind me. 276 00:13:42.639 --> 00:13:45.039 I was debating on taking it with me tonight because 277 00:13:45.080 --> 00:13:47.679 I'm gonna get where I'm going at like nine point thirty, 278 00:13:47.799 --> 00:13:49.840 and I was like, do I really want to pull 279 00:13:49.960 --> 00:13:54.120 up and be like, hey, guys, let's look for buds. 280 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:57.639 So my really good friend Damon, he sent me a 281 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:00.600 sheet like it's actually it's literally a white shower sheet, hm. 282 00:14:00.720 --> 00:14:02.639 And you can like build this on your own for 283 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:04.360 like thirty bucks online. 284 00:14:04.679 --> 00:14:07.200 And then it has a UV lamp. 285 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:09.879 With like an external battery that you would use for 286 00:14:09.960 --> 00:14:12.559 like camping or hiking. It's plugged in by USB and 287 00:14:12.559 --> 00:14:14.200 then you just clip it to the top or the 288 00:14:14.200 --> 00:14:16.720 bottom and they'll fly and check it out. But I 289 00:14:16.799 --> 00:14:20.480 have learned that different insects, and I've learned this the 290 00:14:20.480 --> 00:14:22.960 hard way. The disappointing way that nothing came the one night. 291 00:14:23.039 --> 00:14:25.080 Different insects, depending on the time of the year and 292 00:14:25.120 --> 00:14:28.320 what's going on in the moon, they will care about 293 00:14:28.399 --> 00:14:30.600 if it's a mercury lamp or if it's a UV, 294 00:14:31.360 --> 00:14:34.799 and it's like they're processing of the wavelengths of light 295 00:14:35.440 --> 00:14:35.799 is just. 296 00:14:36.120 --> 00:14:37.360 A whole other science. 297 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:41.559 So I have I have a little UV lamp and 298 00:14:41.600 --> 00:14:43.440 I'm looking at getting a mercury one, but they don't 299 00:14:43.440 --> 00:14:44.679 attach to the batteries. 300 00:14:44.720 --> 00:14:46.320 So I got it. If that's a puzzle for me 301 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:46.919 to figure. 302 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:49.440 Out, you found that out by using one lamp and 303 00:14:49.519 --> 00:14:52.080 just like getting not like throwing aparty no one shows 304 00:14:52.159 --> 00:14:52.440 up to. 305 00:14:52.799 --> 00:14:54.200 Yeah, well, actually it was my mom. 306 00:14:54.720 --> 00:14:57.159 So my mom is like kind of grossed out by bugs, 307 00:14:57.200 --> 00:14:59.200 and like she doesn't like it when I bring things home, 308 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.679 and like she doesn't like to eat the mushrooms I 309 00:15:01.720 --> 00:15:05.759 find she has. She has tried morel's. They were obvious 310 00:15:05.879 --> 00:15:07.240 enough that she tried it. But I was like, hey, 311 00:15:07.320 --> 00:15:09.519 let's go look for bugs in the backyard. I kept 312 00:15:09.559 --> 00:15:11.559 telling her, like, all these big things are gonna come, 313 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:14.279 They're gonna beautiful, And I showed her pictures on the 314 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:17.320 internet and she's like okay, I'll look for those, and 315 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:17.919 then none of. 316 00:15:17.879 --> 00:15:24.559 Them showed up, and it's because I had like kind 317 00:15:24.559 --> 00:15:25.840 of the wrong wavelength light. 318 00:15:26.039 --> 00:15:29.759 So yeah, something on the to do list, get more 319 00:15:29.840 --> 00:15:31.600 lamps for bugs. 320 00:15:31.639 --> 00:15:34.600 So disappointing Mothman ambles up. He's like, hey, what's up? Uh? 321 00:15:34.759 --> 00:15:35.480 Sell your light off? 322 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:40.080 Really, I really hope that you. You gotta look up 323 00:15:40.080 --> 00:15:40.720 the statue. 324 00:15:40.919 --> 00:15:43.519 Oh, I will Mothman statue point pleasant. 325 00:15:44.080 --> 00:15:45.840 I'm gonna look it up. I'm gonna I want to 326 00:15:45.840 --> 00:15:49.440 see it's tiny butt Okay. I was very compelled to 327 00:15:49.519 --> 00:15:52.360 google this statue, and I found the following video by 328 00:15:52.399 --> 00:15:55.919 YouTube user hoser Boo, who journeyed to West Virginia to 329 00:15:55.919 --> 00:15:57.039 pay the statue a visit. 330 00:15:57.440 --> 00:16:02.399 Apparently, Mothman is ripped, but he's also a moth ook 331 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:07.480 with a humans body and moth wings. 332 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:11.840 It has giant red, glassy eyes, and it resides in 333 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:15.039 the median strip of an otherwise sleepy town, right in 334 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:18.240 front of a Mothman museum. But you head around back 335 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:22.039 in its firm, metallic buttocks are clenched in a position 336 00:16:22.120 --> 00:16:26.840 of muscular power. I mean, Mothman definitely does squats, and 337 00:16:26.919 --> 00:16:30.200 when you're naked on four Street, in West Virginia, just 338 00:16:30.279 --> 00:16:32.919 around the corner from a little Caesar's Pizza. You might 339 00:16:32.919 --> 00:16:35.279 as well play up your assets, especially since he has 340 00:16:35.320 --> 00:16:37.759 no genitals to speak of. Now, if only he were 341 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:41.879 equipped with male moth scent glands called cormata, which are 342 00:16:41.919 --> 00:16:45.759 like long feather dusters that sprout from your crotch like 343 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:49.919 a wheezy birthday party horn. Wouldn't that be something? And 344 00:16:50.120 --> 00:16:53.840 what do you think? Okay, because this is a Spooktobra episode, right, 345 00:16:54.759 --> 00:16:58.200 we're kind of talking about creepy crawleys, And do you 346 00:16:58.480 --> 00:17:01.000 ever walk through the woods at night and feel like 347 00:17:01.440 --> 00:17:04.960 maybe you're about to run into a spider web or 348 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:08.279 there's like a scorpion in your underpants or something like? 349 00:17:08.799 --> 00:17:11.839 Do you ever get an extra sensory thing about little 350 00:17:11.880 --> 00:17:12.640 creepy crawleys? 351 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:16.960 No, No, it's a sensory I like usually I'm already 352 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:20.839 covered by like thirty million spider webs, so like it's fine, 353 00:17:20.920 --> 00:17:25.240 throw another one on. I'm actually not very scared of 354 00:17:25.440 --> 00:17:28.640 a lot of things outside. Like I'm more scared. 355 00:17:28.359 --> 00:17:30.839 When i'm you know, interacting with people. 356 00:17:32.559 --> 00:17:35.519 I did, actually I think it was it was two 357 00:17:35.599 --> 00:17:38.559 years ago, like to the day to the day I 358 00:17:38.599 --> 00:17:42.480 had a caterpillar fall from the sky. It fell out 359 00:17:42.480 --> 00:17:44.920 of a tree and it laided on my hand and 360 00:17:45.200 --> 00:17:47.559 it caused like such a crazy reaction. 361 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:51.519 The spines, she said, have a coagulant as well as 362 00:17:51.559 --> 00:17:53.839 a vasoconstrictor. So what does that do? 363 00:17:54.559 --> 00:17:57.519 So my veins got really tight, and then my blood 364 00:17:57.559 --> 00:18:00.960 got really thick, so it felt like my higher arm 365 00:18:01.200 --> 00:18:04.519 from it just falling on my hand, my entire arm. 366 00:18:04.400 --> 00:18:06.960 Felt like I was getting a tattoo, like the entire day. 367 00:18:07.200 --> 00:18:10.440 Oh okay, and if you sat down, like your thick 368 00:18:10.680 --> 00:18:12.920 blood wasn't going through your thin veins, so I had 369 00:18:12.960 --> 00:18:15.160 to like forcibly keep walking the pump it. 370 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:17.079 So I am scared of those. 371 00:18:17.319 --> 00:18:18.200 What kind was it? 372 00:18:18.799 --> 00:18:21.519 Oh? It was a I want to say, a flannel 373 00:18:21.640 --> 00:18:22.599 moth caterpillar. 374 00:18:22.920 --> 00:18:24.200 Okay, yeah, I. 375 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:25.279 Don't remember the exact one. 376 00:18:25.279 --> 00:18:27.720 It wasn't the hag moth, but it was a tiny, wispy, 377 00:18:27.759 --> 00:18:30.079 hairy little dude, but it was. 378 00:18:30.319 --> 00:18:31.000 It was awful. 379 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:34.079 And so now I'm scared of them because I wasn't 380 00:18:34.119 --> 00:18:36.720 like messing with it or anything. Usually I respect animals 381 00:18:36.799 --> 00:18:38.799 unless I have to unfortunately kill them because they're an 382 00:18:38.839 --> 00:18:42.200 invasive species. But I you know, I was just mind 383 00:18:42.200 --> 00:18:44.759 of my own business looking at a flower, and uh 384 00:18:45.440 --> 00:18:47.839 it got me so now sometimes in fall I'm. 385 00:18:47.680 --> 00:18:49.640 Like, oh, don't wear short, so don't. 386 00:18:51.039 --> 00:18:55.319 There's there's the extra creepy creepy bit. There are caterpillars 387 00:18:55.359 --> 00:18:56.240 that you shouldn't touch. 388 00:18:56.359 --> 00:19:00.480 God, that's good to know. Tiny hairy, wispy little dudes. 389 00:19:00.640 --> 00:19:03.160 These have also been said to look like any bitty 390 00:19:03.160 --> 00:19:06.759 little to pace with stubby leg nubbins, And if you like, 391 00:19:07.079 --> 00:19:09.400 you can call them a pus caterpillar and they won't 392 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:12.480 even be mad. They're victims. Describe. The pain is similar 393 00:19:12.480 --> 00:19:17.160 to having a shattered bone or blunt force trauma. Sometimes 394 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:19.599 also is white hot, which is why the date is 395 00:19:19.640 --> 00:19:23.160 probably burned into her mind. Okay, but don't be scared 396 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:26.559 because very few caterpillars will make you say the F 397 00:19:26.599 --> 00:19:32.240 word unless that f word is forest. Am I right? Gotcha? 398 00:19:32.799 --> 00:19:36.839 What about a way to get people comfortable with the 399 00:19:36.920 --> 00:19:40.759 forest and with maybe some happy, little, friendly, little creepy 400 00:19:40.759 --> 00:19:43.960 little crawleys. Is there a good ambassador species to go 401 00:19:44.039 --> 00:19:46.799