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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Simple Garden Life Podcast, a program dedicated

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to keeping the yard of gardening simple, fun and always rewarding.

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Now Here are your hosts, Jim and Mary Competti.

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Speaker 2: Hello and welcome everybody. I'm Jim Competti, your host along

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with my wife Mary Competti. We are back, and we

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are back. You know, it has been a while since

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we have dropped a podcast episode for the Simple Garden

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Life Podcast, but there's been good reason. We took about

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a twelve month hiatus while we finished building this farm,

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and boy was it an undertaking.

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Speaker 3: I don't think we're quite finished yet.

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Speaker 2: Now we are not quite finished yet, but we are

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going to have a full slate of podcasts this spring

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and summer and fall, and we're really excited to be back.

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We got a lot of emails over the last twelve

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months and we answered everyone but saying, hey, when are

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you gonna have new a podcast? When are you going

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to drop them? But we just really felt like it

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was important for us to get this farm underway so

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that we can handle visitors and handle all the things.

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Also really put our effort into it.

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Speaker 4: It really gave us a lot more experience to talk

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about different things that we've encountered here at the farm.

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Speaker 2: It did well. We're going to get into our podcast

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today about day lilies and fertilizing them, but we do

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want to remind everybody. One of the things that we

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can now do and we're excited about this year is

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host more events here and the biggest one we have

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coming up is in April eighteenth, Saturday, which is our

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Garden Conference. We go around the country a lot and

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speak about gardening and vegetable gardening, and now we have

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the event center and we can do it here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're bringing people to our own facility this year.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So if you want information on that, you can

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go to our main farm site here which is owgarden

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dot com and it's right at the top header. You

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can also see all about the farm and see everything

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we've been doing. But hey, we're here for a podcast,

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so let's get into it. And today one of our

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favorite subjects really is talking about daylilies, and something people

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don't think about a lot is fertilizing them. You know,

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you just don't. It's not a plant or our perennial.

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I should say that requires a ton of energy, but

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boy can a little bit of fertilizer go along way

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with them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: If you're looking for those bright, big blooms and the

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blooming bigger than ever, fertilizing really is the key.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the best time. The best time to fertilize

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is in early spring. And when I say early spring,

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i'm talking about when those dailies are just starting to

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peek up, or even before they've even started to come

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through that green. Sometimes dailies you'll get a little bit

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of a warm spell we have it here and you'll start

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to see a little green growth. It's still okay to

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fertilize at that time, but the earlier you get it in,

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the more it's going to do for your plants. And

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we'll kind of go through that. We're also going to

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go through some other things Mary, which is very important

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of spring care for your day lilies prior to fertilizing,

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and that is clearing them back and deciding whether or

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not you need to, you know, maybe divide them if

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they're getting overgrown.

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Speaker 3: Right, that's everything that you need to do before you fertilize.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean early spring really happens to be the

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ideal time to do all kinds of simple maintenance on

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day lilies. It just it gives them not just a

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dose of powerf for you're fertilizing, but it also cleans

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up your plants and divide and transplant those overgreen, overgrown transplants,

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because when they get arch, bad things happen.

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Speaker 4: And I always get the question too of I don't

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remember where my daily lilies were planted. So but I

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bet if you go back through your photos from last year,

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you probably took a picture.

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Speaker 3: Or two of them.

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Speaker 2: That's right. That foldleads really dies back and it's hard

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to find them. But in the springtime, the first thing

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your dailies is to get outside, as Mary says, make

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sure you find all of them and clear that old

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fooliage that has died off if you did not do

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it in the fall and mulch them. You want to

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clear that back now. And people say, well, I've never

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done that before. Do I really need to do that?

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through the earth a little bit closer. And also when

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you pull that back, let's you see how big they

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are and whether or not you should divide. And we

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get a question like how often should you really divide them?

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five years? Right?

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Speaker 4: This depends on how big of your mult bed space

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that you have, depending on where or if you want

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to put them somewhere else on your property.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the thing. For us. We used to divide

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them every two or three years because we were trying

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to build up our plant stock. And you can really

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get a lot of nice plants f you can really

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let them go three to five years without harming or

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reducing the amount of blooms. When daylies get too big,

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the problem with them is that the foliage on top

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gets so thick and the blooms have a hard time

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and they start to be less and less impressive every year.

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That three to five year mark really keeps them really

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good and strong for sure.

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Speaker 4: And one thing you need to do before you when

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you start to clear off the areas of the old foliage,

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you want to also clear off the amount of leaves

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to breathe that are around those plants as well, because

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they've been sitting there all winter long and you want

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to get that soil warmed up as quick as you can.

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Speaker 2: Yep, So before you fertilize the first thing to do

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is clean all that out, get them ready to go,

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and if you feel like you need to divide them,

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now is the time. So we get this question all

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the time. You can really divide a day lily anytime

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during the growing season. Early spring, summer, even fall is

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really excellent. But early spring has some great advantages. First

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of all, even if they've come through the ground a

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little bit, digging them up, chopping them up into even

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sizes like a stea in your daily we can get

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evewhere from four to eight new plants from it's not

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going to harm them. Even if that foliage dies off,

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it's going to come right back through within a week,

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and your dayla is going to be strong. If you

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do it in the early spring, especially late winter, they're

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still going to bloom. Even the smaller area, they're still

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going to bloom that year.

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Speaker 3: Grow pretty quick too.

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Speaker 2: They grow super fast, especially when you give them a

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little bit of extra fertilizer. Just all you got to

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do is dig around the edges. They're very durable. You

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do not have to worry about this. They're not going

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to kill them if you slice into too much. We've

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actually before, you know, I always tell people with any

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type of perennial. Dig it up, get it in the

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ground that day, it's going to help it. We've let

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dailies go before, they've been discarded on a pile. We

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forgot about for weeks at a time, even after frost

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and freeze, and still put them in and they're still

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going to go. But you not recommend that. No, No,

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the easier and the faster you can do it. That

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that first day is really important. So so dig around

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the edges, pop them up, divide them when you put

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them back in. We always like to put a little

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bit of compost with ours. They don't require a ton.

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let's talk about fertilizing, because fertilizing is really a big thing. Mary,

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Speaker 3: I just had a quick question.

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Speaker 4: A lot of people ask, too, how deep should they

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dig because Daylyi's roots are not like typical plants.

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pretty quickly, maybe six inches down at the most. If

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they're really healthy, they might go down to eight even

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if they're big. So that's all you really need to

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do when you're planning new ones. I always like to

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loosen the soil down six to eight inches, and then

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when you're replanting them, plant them so that the crown

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of that is right to the soil level.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so should you dig up the whole plant or

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ground and.

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Speaker 3: Just cut it in half?

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Speaker 2: Pends how tired you are that spring. No, Actually, it's

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always a good idea to take the entire plan out.

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you can chisel off some sides of the plant and

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do them, but we like getting that out because it

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loosens that whole root structure and then you replant. You

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can replant a larger section there if you want to

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keep those big. But when you go to taking other places,

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you just take us sharp shovel or you know a

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hoary hoary knife, which is fantastic. You can slice right

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through those roots and then I said plant them in again.

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if there's a little bit of green on top to

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reason you talked about. I don't know where my dailies are.

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and you divide it into four equal slices, you're going

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to get plants that year that are about twelve inches

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when they mature, which are really a beautiful size, nice ballooms,

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and those are going to last for three to five

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years without having to worry.

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Speaker 3: All right, So how to dig them up?

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Speaker 4: You go around the outside of the whole dailyly correct,

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you pop them out, You lay.

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Speaker 3: It over and a side, and you cut it into

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different sized pieces.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you put them right in, like I said,

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a little compost with them and that's it. And then

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once they're in, or if your daylilies were not large

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enough and you don't need to, now it's time to fertilize.

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several ways you can fertilize. We're going to talk about

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what we use a lot, which is a very base

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ten ten ten or a five to five to five.

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can use in those ranges, but some people say, I

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don't want to use any type of traditional fertilizer, So

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I always tell them the go to, which is worm

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castings in compost. If you're going to fertilize your DayLA's

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with that. You can do it right on the surface

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maybe per plant, per large plant of worm castings. If

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you mix those two and put them in the soil,

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water it in right the day you do that, whether

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water in it does one of two things. If it

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is a fertilizer, it keeps any any of the plant

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from being burnt at all. But second of all, it

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activates it compost. Yeah, so that's that's a really big key,

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and you have to make sure to do that and

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if it just really activates the process. So let's take

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a break right now, Mary, and we'll come back and

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we'll go through the actual fertilizing. If you're using a

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granular fertilizer, how to do it, and then how to

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take care of those daylilies through the season to make

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sure you're getting the most blooms and maybe a second bloom. Okay,

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we are back and we're talking about fertilizing daylilies and

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right to that point where if you're not going to

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regular fertilizer, what to use and Mary, we were talking

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it to break how important it is to know what

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those numbers mean in fertilizers. And this is a great point.

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ten means really is equal amounts amounts.

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Speaker 3: It's a very standardized fertilizer, very balanced. So you know

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Speaker 4: The bags or the back of the bag. So you

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really want to look for that balance fertilizer. You have

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ten ten ten for us.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that first number of the ten ten ten

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is the nitrogen. The second number will always be phosphorus,

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and the third number is going to be potassium. And

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each of those serve a different purpose for the plant.

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Dailies are a very base perennial, very strong paranal. We

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talked about it for it. Do they really have to

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be fertilized to bloom, No, they're going to bloom. This

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just gives them a little bit extra, a little healthier.

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So that's why we said you can go with an

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all purpose and all by all purpose means it's equal

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numbers five five, five or ten ten ten.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and dalilies really are heavy fears. They like a

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lot of nutrients and they typically get it out of

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the ground. But given this extra boost will really make

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a big difference in the performance of your.

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Speaker 2: Daily That's correct, and that's this is a great time

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to talk about with fertilizers what those numbers actually do

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for the plants. So a lot of times we'll get

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calls in the summer our emails about like, my plants

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are bright green, my flowers, my annuals, my whatever, my

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vegetable plants they're bright green, but they're not producing blooms

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or flowers, And right away, Mary and I know both

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right away. Almost always that means those plants are getting

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way too much nitrogen, which is all about the growth

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of a plant, and not enough phosphorus and potassium.

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Speaker 5: Right, And if you have old old daylilies that you

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don't want it to and you don't want to split,

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and you like your big batch, but your flowers are

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becoming less and less every year, try to pick up

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a fertilizer that's less nitroten.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, a little bit heavier on the phosphorus and potassium.

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But for most almost always, you can use a base

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five five, five, ten, ten ten four dailas and it's

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going to perform great. So how much that's a great question.

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So we're going to go with that standard twelve to

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eighteen inch sized daily plant. And for that, what do

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we use I would say about what do you think.

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Speaker 4: About an eighth of a pub which is really about

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two tablespoons per plant?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and we kind of do that. Daily lilies are

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a clump former, so we try to do that just

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right around those edges, not right on top of the plant,

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because that's important, yeah, because it can burn the plant.

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But again, once we put that fertilizer around the edges,

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the very next thing we do is, well we actually

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do two things with fertilizer. We take most of you

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know what I'm talking about a little garden tool that

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has a little three prongs. It's like a trough almost.

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That's a great tool that once you fertilize your plants

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to just kind of scrape the earth around there. It

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doesn't pull up all the soil, but what it does

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is allow some of those granules to get in. And

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these are slow release granules that over the next two

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to three months are going to feed your plants. They're

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not going to give it that boost like liquid does

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boom all at once. They're going to go around. But

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by doing that, you set them in the soil and

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then once you do that watering. It's such a key.

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Speaker 4: So the ten ten fertilizer that we're talking about are

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the granule granular form.

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, you really want to stay away from liquid fertilizing

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dailays and other perennials. You can do it if they're

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struggling a little bit to give them a little boost,

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but that's going to be an instant feed. You want

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low and slow. We talk about it all the time,

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and for perennials like a daily, you know, a slow

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release granule is the way to go. It's perfect for them.

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A small amount, we said, an eighth of a cup

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does it really well. And then here's the key with

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day lilies. You know, you water that in, you let

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them go, you let them bloom. But this is where

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people make the second mistake with dails to get into

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bloom the next year is once your plants have bloomed

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so many people just leave them on and let them

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die off and let them stay all summer. And once

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that do they form those seed pods. We've all seen it, right,

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they take so much power from your plant plant, the

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power that next year or later that summer, you can

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get a second bloom. We use a lot of Stella

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dolores or doors. Everybody says it a different way for us.

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As soon as those blooms start to die off in

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I think ours would be middle of June, we take them.

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We cut those blooms back, we cut any seed heads

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that for them cut back, and without fail, come July

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August we get another bloom.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 4: And you know you can definitely fertilize this great to

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fertilize first thing in the spring before spring hits, but

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you also could do a early summer. What you want

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to avoid is doing a late fall fertilizer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, never never do any type of perennial plant fertilizing

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in the fall, because what it does is it encourages

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that growth. So like a daily leaf, you did that,

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it's it's gonna signal it to I need to grow more.

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And that growth is the most susceptible to winter damage

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around for so any of your perennials, that's just a

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great little rule of thumb to live by. Never fertilize them.

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What Mary's talking about with that late summer application, A

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lot of people that really want to get that second

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bloom when they finish blooming that first time and you

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cut them back, a little bit of fertilizer again will

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really help them try to try to blame that second.

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Speaker 3: Time, right right, So you know we're talking about early

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spring and early summer.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, So hey, listen, this has been great. We're

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gonna we're gonna go out for this first podcast of

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the new season, the twenty twenty six season. I can't

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believe I'm saying that we're gonna drop just like we

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used to one every two weeks, and we really look

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forward to We got a lot of new subjects and

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not of new things to talk about. And again, if

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you happen to be live within an hour or two

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of us head out this year to the Garden Conference.

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It's gonna be a fun time. We're going to do

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some speaking in the event center, some live demonstrations in

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the garden, weather permitting. We have lunch served. I think

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tickets are available on the site ow garden dot com.

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It's going to be a fun, fun day, right.

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Speaker 3: We're gonna give everybody a tour afterwards.

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Speaker 2: That's right, That's right, So all right, everybody, We're glad

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to be back. We hope you enjoyed listening, and for

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Marry and Jim's so long everyone, happy gardening.

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