Speaker 1: Picture this. It is three point zero am. You are
lying in bed, in that heavy, deep sleep that usually
only happens when you are totally exhausted.
Speaker 2: The house is silent, utterly still.
Speaker 1: But then suddenly the room feels different. It's not a
sound exactly, No, it's a change in the air pressure.
The atmosphere feels electric, heavy, like the static charge right
before a thunderstorm breaks.
Speaker 2: Hmm. You can almost taste it.
Speaker 1: You open your eyes expecting to see the familiar shadows
of your dresser or the coat rack in the corner,
but instead you see a silhouette that simply shouldn't exist.
Speaker 2: It's the moment reality.
Speaker 1: Breaks, exactly. It's standing there at the foot of the bed.
It's small, maybe three or four feet tall. The body
is frail, almost impossibly thin, like a child's frame, but
stretched out. But the head, the head is massive, completely
disproportioned to the next supporting it.
Speaker 2: And eyes.
Speaker 1: And then there are the eyes, those giant black wraparound voids.
They don't reflect light. They seem to suck the light
right out of the room. This is the gray, the archetype.
It is the modern face of the unknown. It is
the archetype that has haunted pop culture, nightmares and well
police reports for decades. But here is the question we
are grappling with today, and it is one that goes
way beyond just a scooky story. Are these creatures visitors
from another star system? Are they time travelers coming back
from our own desolate future, Or this might be the
most terrifying option, are they biological machines built by something else? Entirely?
Speaker 2: It is the ultimate roar shock test for the modern age.
We project our fears of technology, of biology, and of
the unknown onto that specific image.
Speaker 1: That's a great way to put it.
Speaker 2: But when you strip away the movies, the sci fi novels,
and the memes and you look at the raw data,
the ancient texts, the military whistleblowers, the medical reports, the
picture gets much more complicated and frankly, much more disturbing.
We aren't dealing with a simple invader. We are dealing
with a phenomenon that seems to be woven into human
history itself.
Speaker 1: Exactly, and that is what we are doing today. Welcome
to thrilling threads. We aren't just scratching the surface. We
are pulling on the loose threads of one of the
most enduring mysteries in human history the.
Speaker 2: Grace, and we have a massive stack of sources to
get through. I mean, we are looking at everything from
the archives of ancient astronaut theorists like Eric von Denikin
and David Childress, the classics, to the heart wrenching testimony
of military insiders like Sergeant Clifford Stone, all the way
to detailed medical reports concerning abductees.
Speaker 1: And just a quick disclaimer before we jump in. Our
mission today is to look at these reports. Impartially. We
aren't here to tell you definitively that aliens are landing
on your lawn or that your neighbor is a reptilian.
Speaker 2: Not our job.
Speaker 1: We are here to look at the sheer strangeness of
the data, whether these are myths, hallucinations, or suppressed realities,
and react to what is actually in the files. Yeah,
because honestly, some of the stuff is absolutely wild.
Speaker 2: It is It challenges the fundamental way we look at
history and biology. It forces us to asked if we
are the only intelligent operators on this planet, or if
we are sharing the space with something much much older.
Speaker 1: I'm particularly excited, Well, excited might be the wrong word.
Maybe morbidly curious to get into the specific accounts of
missing fetuses and the shape shifter theories later on.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that gets heavy.
Speaker 1: That stuff gave me chills when I was prepping for this. Yeah.
Takes it out of the realm of lights in the
sky and puts it right into the most intimate personal
aspects of human life.
Speaker 2: It is unsettling. But I think what will really surprise
you is how we can connect those modern horror stories
back to six thousand year olds to Marian tablets. We
are going to draw a line from ancient Mesopotamia straight
to modern robotics.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's unpack this. Let's start with that ancient blueprint.
Because usually when people talk about Grays, they think of
the nineteen forties Roswell, all that jazz. It feels like
a Cold War phenomenon.
Speaker 2: It does, but that's a misconception, a big one.
Speaker 1: So you're saying this goes way way back.
Speaker 2: Much further back. If you want to understand the Grays,
you can't start with Kenneth Arnold or the Roswell Crash.
You have to go to a rock, specifically, the region
once known as Mesopotamia.
Speaker 1: The creedle of civilization, precisely.
Speaker 2: On the east bank of the Tigris River, across from
the modern city of Mosul lie the ruins of Nineveh.
In eighteen forty nine, archaeologists led by Austin Henry Laird
discovered the library of King Usherbonopol. Wow, and we are
talking about thousands of Sumerian clay tablets that are roughly
six thousand years old. These contain the earliest known form
of written records period.
Speaker 1: And they aren't just receipts for grain and goats, right,
I mean, I know a lot of ancient writing is
mundane bureaucracy, but there's something else in.
Speaker 2: There, far from it. While there are plenty of tax receipts,
you know, three sheep for the temple.
Speaker 1: Right, the boring stuff buried in.
Speaker 2: The Cuneiform script are the creation myths, which when you
read them, they read less like myths and more like
historical logs. Interpretations of the accounts engraved on these tablets,
promoted by scholars and theorists like Zakaria Sitchen, speak of
an alien race called the Amnunaki.
Speaker 1: The Annaki, I've heard the name.
Speaker 2: The texts say they settled in sumer and bred with humans.
The word Anunaki literally translates to something akin to those
who from heaven to earth came.
Speaker 1: That is incredibly specific. It's not spirits of the wind
or ghosts of the ancestors. It isn't a metaphor for
the weather. It's people who came from the sky. Right.
It implies a transit, a physical journey from point A
to point B precisely.
Speaker 2: And the texts go further. They speak of gods that
literally created humans in their image and after their likeness.
Speaker 1: That sounds very familiar, It.
Speaker 2: Sounds biblical because the Biblical narratives likely drew from these
earlier Sumerian sources. But here the Nunaki are described as
actual beings. They had a hierarchy, they had squabbles, they
had technology, and interestingly, some interpretations suggest the Anunaki worked
with or had a relationship with other.
Speaker 1: Beings, and these other beings.
Speaker 2: Beings that fit the description of the grays.
Speaker 1: So the grays might have been the workforce even back then,
like the innernich with the managers or the royalty, and
the grays were the staff, the interns.
Speaker 2: That is the implication. Some theorists, like Mondenikin suggested the
egig a lower caste of gods mentioned in the texts,
who supposedly rebelled against the Ununaki because the work was
too hard a labor dispute, a cosmic labor dispute. A
theory goes that humans were then created to take over
the work from the egg. But this other group, the Grays,
might have been the original biological robots, the original workforce.
Speaker 1: O wow.
Speaker 2: And there is a linguistic clue here too. The chief
deity Anu is linked in these texts to the constellation Orion.
It is very specific. It's saying these creatures come from
out there, from that specific set of stars.
Speaker 1: It really grounds the mythology in a physical reality. It
makes you wonder if God's was just the only vocabulary
they had for biological entities. With better text exactly, if
you took a helicopter back to four thousand BC, you'd
be a god too.
Speaker 2: That is the core of the ancient astronaut theory. It
operates on the idea of cargo cults that primitive cultures
interpret high technology as magic. A lighter becomes a fire god,
a radio becomes a talking spirit box.
Speaker 1: And a spaceship becomes a chariot of the gods.
Speaker 2: A fiery shield, and if we shift our gaze from
the Middle East to the American Southwest, we see a
startlingly similar narrative with the Hope ancestors.
Speaker 1: The Hope. Yes, this is where we get into the Kachina.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've always thought of Kachina dolls as just cool art
or spiritual.
Speaker 2: Symbols, and they are, but they represent something in Hope culture.
The Kachina are often thought of by outsiders as dolls
or costumes, but the word translates.
Speaker 1: To teacher, a teacher, not a spirit a.
Speaker 2: Teacher, and the legends are very clear that Kachina were
not spirits in the metaphysical sense. They were part of
the physical world. They weren't ghosts.
Speaker 1: I love the description of their arrival. The sources say
they descended from the sky in fiery.
Speaker 2: Shields exactly, fiery shields, non wings of eagle feathers, not
on clouds, Shields that burned and made noise.
Speaker 1: That sounds a lot like a vehicle.
Speaker 2: It sure does. They would touch down, spend time with
the humans, teach them agriculture, give them knowledge about the stars,
and then fly back up into the sky on those
same shields.
Speaker 1: So they came, they got, they left.
Speaker 2: And Philip Coppin's observation on this is crucial. He noted
that the Katinas physically lived with the Hope for a
time before retreating to the San Francisco Mountains and then
disappearing completely. It suggests a period of cohabitation.
Speaker 1: Living side by side, right.
Speaker 2: This wasn't a fleeting visit. It was a relationship.
Speaker 1: And when you look at the depictions of these Kachinas
on canyon walls or in the dolls, they don't look
like standard humans.
Speaker 2: No. They are often depicted with large heads, strange eyes,
and small bodies. The parallel is striking. You have these
sky gods who are small, powerful, educational, but distinctly otherworldly.
Speaker 1: So if you showed a drawing of a Kachina to
a modern UFO enthusiast, they might just say, oh, that's
a stylized gray they might.
Speaker 2: It's the consistency that gets me. Different continents thousands of
years apart, but the core details sky vehicles teaching humans
strange physical appearance remain the same, like a pattern, a
very persistent pattern. It makes you feel like history is
trying to tell us something that we've been ignoring. Because
it doesn't fit our standard timeline.
Speaker 1: And that brings us to the physical evidence, or at
least the alleged physical evidence. We've found things that are
hard to explain.
Speaker 2: Hmmm, definitely. You have to look at the elongated humanoid
skulls found in places like Peru, the Parokos skulls. These
are famous ancient astronaut theorists like David Childress point to
these and say, look, these aren't just cranial deformation, because.
Speaker 1: That was a real practice, right right, binding a baby's
head to change its shape.
Speaker 2: It was. But cranial deformation where you bind a baby's
head changes the shape, but it doesn't change the volume
of the skull. The brain doesn't get bigger, it just
gets squished into a cone.
Speaker 1: Okay, that makes sense exactly.
Speaker 2: Some of these skulls have a cranial capacity significantly larger
than a human skull, and they lack the saginal suture,
the crack on the top of the skull that all humans.
Speaker 1: Have, so they're structurally different, not just reshaped.
Speaker 2: Structurally different. Childis and others argue these are half alien
half human hybrids, the leftovers of that ancient breeding program
mentioned in the Sumerian texts, which is a.
Speaker 1: Perfect segue to the modern era, because if these things,
whatever they are, have been here for thousands of years,
they didn't just stop visiting when we invented this steam engine,
not at all. In fact, it seems like they started crashing.
Speaker 2: Indeed, we have to fast forward to July nineteen forty seven, Roswell,
New Mexico. This is the grandfather of all crash retrieval stories.
Speaker 1: I feel like everyone knows the word Roswell, but few
people know the gritty details of the debris. Everyone talks
about the alien autopsy video, which we know was a hoax.
Speaker 2: A total hoax, distracted from the real story.
Speaker 1: But the actual witness testimony from forty seven is fascinating, right.
Speaker 2: Aren't just talking about bent metal? Nick Redfern, a prominent researcher,
highlights the description of the debris found by Rancher mac Brezel.
It was described as a foil like material, like aluminum
foil sort of, but it had the properties of memory metal.
You could crumple it up into a ball in your
hand and it would uncrumple itself and resume its original
shape perfectly, without a single crease.
Speaker 1: In nineteen forty seven. We didn't have materials science like that.
We barely had plastic that's knit and all. That's modern
day stuff exactly.
Speaker 2: And witnesses also described small eyebeams with strange purplish hieroglyphic
like symbols on them that nobody could identify.
Speaker 1: So not Russian, not German, something else.
Speaker 2: Something else. And then of course there were the bodies.
Reports claimed five bodies were found. They were small, three
point five to four feet tall, black eyes, slit mouths,
long arms, with maybe three or five fingers, the classic
gray a template. They were placed in hermetically sealed coffin
sized boxes and shipped off to classified research facilities, likely
write Patterson Air Force Base, and.
Speaker 1: The military's reaction is what really sells the conspiracy for me.
Within twenty four hours, they go from issuing a press
release saying we have a flying saucer.
Speaker 2: The RAAF the Roswell Army Airfield literally put it in
the paper. RIAF captures flying saucer on Ranch and Roswell region.
It's on the record.
Speaker 1: Whoops, sorry is a weather balloon? I mean, come on,
these are trained military personnel at an atomic bomber base.
The five hundred and ninth Bond Group was the only
nuclear capable squadron in the world at that time. A
tip of the spear, you're telling me Major Jesse Marcel,
the intelligence officer for the base, can't tell the difference
between a rubber balloon with some tinfoil and a spacecraft
with memory metal in bodies.
Speaker 2: That incompetence defense is a hard pill to swallow. It
requires us to believe that the most elite military unit
in the world was comprised of people who couldn't identify
a weather balloon target, something they likely launched and tracked
every week.
Speaker 1: It's insulting to their intelligence, it is.
Speaker 2: But if you want to understand the human cost of
these retrievals, you have to look at Sergeant Clifford Stone.
Speaker 1: Clifford Stone, this story is heavy. It's not just data,
it's emotional trauma.
Speaker 2: It is. Stone was a former Army sergeant. He came
forward at the National Press Club in May two thousand
and one. This was part of the Disclosure Project event
organized by doctor Stephen Greer.
Speaker 1: A big press conference, a huge one.
Speaker 2: He claimed he was part of a special unit involved
in Project Moondust.
Speaker 1: Project Moondust, it sounds like something from a spy novel, it.
Speaker 2: Does, but it was real. Officially, Project Moondust was designed
to recover grounded Soviet satellites or space debris. It was
a rapid response team to grab Russian tech before the
Russians could get it.
Speaker 1: Back, a Cold war cleanup crew exactly.
Speaker 2: But documents obtained via the Freedom of Information Act explicitly
mentioned that the program scope included UFOs. The term is
right there in the declassified paperwork.
Speaker 1: Wow, so it was an open secret within those circles,
it seems so.
Speaker 2: And Stone is testifying, and he's not just talking about
satellites smell. No. He claimed to have been involved in
twelve crash retrievals, and he said they were covered bodies.
But the part that shook everyone was when he said
some of them were still alive.
Speaker 1: Still alive.
Speaker 2: Yes, And he wasn't stoic about this. He wasn't some
cold military guy, not at all, not at all. When
he testified before a closed session of Congress the next day,
he broke down, He wept. He described the emotional burden
of holding this secret while the government told the world
there was nothing to it.
Speaker 1: The gaslighting must have been immense.
Speaker 2: He talked about seeing these creatures, specifically the living ones,
and realizing they were sentient. He felt empathy for them,
He said, he was there.
Speaker 1: To help that reaction. You can't fake that kind of
trauma easily. Why would a grown man, a career military sergeant,
weep before Congress unless the burden was real, unless he
saw something that fundamentally broke his worldview.
Speaker 2: It adds a layer of authenticity that is hard to dismiss.
It's not the behavior of a man looking for fame
or money. It's the behavior of a man looking for unburdening.
Speaker 1: Wanted the truth.
Speaker 2: Out, he needed it out. But Stone said something else,
something that changes our entire understanding of what the grays
might be. He described them as having very strange biological anomalies.
Speaker 1: Here is where it gets really interesting, because usually we
think of aliens as well, people just from another planet.
They eat, they sleep, they have organs, they have a society.
Speaker 2: Right, they're just you know, green or whatever. Yeah, but
fundamentally biological in the way we understand it.
Speaker 1: But that's not what he said.
Speaker 2: No, Stone said, these entities appeared to have very few,
if any organ systems. They seem to be biological.
Speaker 1: Robots biological robots.
Speaker 2: They could walk, think, and function, but they lacked the
internal complexity of a naturally evolved organism. No digestive systems
were apparent in the way we understand them, No reproductive organs.
Speaker 1: An android a biodrone. That is a massive shift.
Speaker 2: In perspective exactly, and this aligns with a theory discussed
in a twenty fourteen Motherboard article where philosophers speculated that
the dominant life in the cosmos isn't biological, it's superintelligent robotics.
Speaker 1: Which makes so much sense when you think about the
logistics of interstellar travel.
Speaker 2: It's the only thing that makes sense.
Speaker 1: Space is hostile. Biology is squishy and fragile, radiation time,
lack of food. It's a nightmare for a living body.
Speaker 2: But for a machine, it's manageable. You can turn a
machine off for a thousand years and turn it back
on when you arrive. You don't need to pack a lunch.
Speaker 1: You don't age, you don't get bored.
Speaker 2: Linda molten Howe and other researchers have pointed this out
for years. If you are a super advanced civilization and
you want to explore the universe or interact with a
primitive species like humans. Do you go yourself? Do you
risk your own biological body?
Speaker 1: No way, you send a drone.
Speaker 2: You send a drone, but not a clunky metal robot
like C three PO. You send something that fits the environment,
a biodrone, something that can operate subtly.
Speaker 1: We are already doing this. Look at Hiroshi Ishiguro's i'mnoid robots,
which are designed to transmit human presence remotely. They look
startlingly human.
Speaker 2: They're uncanny. Or look at NASA's Valkyrie robot designed to
work on Mars. We are moving towards supervised autonomy, where
a robot can carry out high level instructions on its own.
Speaker 1: So the grays, the small bodies, the lack of muscle,
the big eyes, they might just be the interface. They're
the suit, the avatar.
Speaker 2: They might be the hardware. This brings us to the
von Neumann probe theory, the idea of self replicating machines.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's fascinating.
Speaker 2: Civilization sends out one probe. That probe lands on an asteroid,
mines it for resources, builds two copies of itself, and
sends them out.
Speaker 1: Exponential growth exactly.
Speaker 2: One becomes two to two becomes four, four becomes sixteen.
Within a few million years, which is a blink of
an eye in cosmic time, you have covered the entire galaxy.
Speaker 1: And if they're biological robots, they could use organic material
to replicate.
Speaker 2: Now you're getting it. Some theorists suggests the grays are
all from the same mold, featureless, emotionless, identical. They are
mass produced exploration units.
Speaker 1: That is actually more terrifying than them being monsters, because
if they're just tools, who is holding the remote control?
Who is the user behind the screen.
Speaker 2: That is the one billion dollar question. And there is
a darker implication to the biological robot theory. People often
report that abductions involve harvesting genetic material sperm, eggs, DNA.
Speaker 1: We hear about the exams all the time. It's a
core part of the phenomena.
Speaker 2: If the grays are self replicating biological machines, they might
not be harvesting that material to reproduce in a sexual sense.
They might be harvesting it as raw material to build
more copies of themselves, using biological matter from our planet
as the feedstock.
Speaker 1: Oh wow, so we are just spare parts. We are
the resource depot, like going to home depot for lumber.
Speaker 2: In that scenario, Yes, it shifts the narrative from interstellar
romance or scientific curiosity to industrial manufacturing. We are a
resource to be mined.
Speaker 1: That is a chilling thought. Yeah. But speaking of harvesting,
we need to talk about the people who say this
has happened to them, the abductees, because this isn't just
theoretical for them. This is trauma.
Speaker 2: No, it's visceral, and it starts really with Betty and
Barney Hill in nineteen sixty one.
Speaker 1: The og abduction story, the one that put it on
the map.
Speaker 2: It set the standard, It laid the blueprint for almost
every case that followed. They're driving through the White Mountains
in New Hampshire. They see a bright light a craft
and then missing time, missing time two hours gone, just
poof vanished from their memory.
Speaker 1: And under hypnosis with doctor Benjamin Simon, the details that
came out were incredibly clinical.
Speaker 2: Yes, they were separated, they were taken aboard a craft.
Betty described a needle being inserted into her navel, which
she was told was a pregnancy test.
Speaker 1: Which is strange because she wasn't pregnant.
Speaker 2: Right, It's almost like they were learning, practicing, or just
collecting data on human anatomy. Barney described sperm samples being taken.
The beings they described fit the classic gray archetype lee bodies,
large heads, wrap around eyes.
Speaker 1: It's the medical nature of it that's so disturbing. It's
not an attack, it's an exam, like tagging a bear
in the wild.
Speaker 2: That's the perfect analogy.
Speaker 1: There's no malice, but there's no consent either. You're just
a specimen.
Speaker 2: And that pattern repeats again and again. To Kim Carlsburg,
a commercial photographer, in nineteen eighty eight in Pacific Palisades,
a populated area, not the middle of nowhere, she wakes.
Speaker 1: Up paralyzed in her own bed, in.
Speaker 2: Her own bed, paralyzed, naked, surrounded by beings.
Speaker 1: She was specific about their color, right, Yeah, you said
they were off white, not just.
Speaker 2: Gray, correct, which implies maybe a different model or cast.
And she described the horror of being used for DNA.
She believed they were combining her eggs with sperm to
create hybrid.
Speaker 1: Children, and this wasn't a one time thing for her.
Speaker 2: No. She described it being implanted with a fetus, carrying
it for a few months, and then having it removed
during another abduction event.
Speaker 1: That brings us to the case that I found the
most disturbing, the Brett Oldham and Dianne Swanson case, Las Vegas,
nineteen eighty seven. This one really kept me up.
Speaker 2: This is the missing fetus phenomenon in its starkest form.
They wake up to a loud bang, They see grays
in their home. They are taken. Diane is placed on
a table in a gynecological position.
Speaker 1: And Brett is forced to watch.
Speaker 2: He can see her, he can hear her screaming, but
he's paralyzed. He's helpless.
Speaker 1: And the context here is vital. Yeah, she was pregnant
in real life, four months a long.
Speaker 2: Yes, a confirmed pregnancy. And the next morning they wake
up and there is blood in the bed. They go
to the doctor, fearing a miscarriage, of course, but the
doctor is baffled. He says, the womb has been clean,
there is no tissue, no fetus. It's as if she
was never pregnant, despite the physical signs of having been
pregnant just days before.
Speaker 1: And we have expert insight on this, right, doctor Stephen,
you we do.
Speaker 2: Doctor U notes that a fetus at three or four
months has a crown to rump length of about five
or six centimeters. It's the size of a baseball. It
has developing bones.
Speaker 1: It's not just a clump of cells, not at all.
Speaker 2: You cannot just absorb that back into the body overnight
without a massive passage of tissue. It doesn't just.
Speaker 1: Vanish unless it was surgically extracted.
Speaker 2: Cleanly, precisely. And for Brett Oldham, the trauma didn't end there.
Three years later, he claims he was taken again.
Speaker 1: And this is where it gets even more twisted.
Speaker 2: He was taken again and he was introduced to a
hybrid child. He described a little girl with large eyes,
and he felt an immediate, intense paternal bond with this child.
He knew it was his.
Speaker 1: That breaks my heart. It's so manipulative. It's psychological torture
mixed with advanced science to show apparent the child they lost.
Speaker 2: But notice the demeanor of the aliens in these stories.
They aren't described as sadistic, they aren't cackling with glee.
They are described as efficient scientists, clinicians.
Speaker 1: Rights observing the bond, recording the data, taking.
Speaker 2: Notes, which almost makes it worse. We are laborats to them.
You don't hate the labratt You don't want to hurt
it unnecessarily, but you don't ask for its permission either. No,
you don't exactly, And this leads us to the bigger question,
why what is the agenda here? This is where we
get into the Watchers.
Speaker 1: Raymond Fowler's investigation into the Betty andreas In case brought
this term up, the Watchers.
Speaker 2: It's a term that goes back to the Book of
Enoch and biblical texts. The Watchers were angels who came
to Earth to human wives and created.
Speaker 1: The Nephilim, the giants of old.
Speaker 2: Right, But in the context of abduction, these entities seem
focused on two things genetics and technology.
Speaker 1: So what's the endgame? Why interbreed? If they are super advanced,
why do they need our primitive DNA.
Speaker 2: It's a great question. There are a few competing theories.
Theory A is the upgrade theory. They are tweaking our
DNA to help us climb the evolutionary ladder. We are
the project and they are the managers.
Speaker 1: So they're helping us in a very invasive way.
Speaker 2: Maybe they see us heading for self destruction, nuclear war,
climate change and are trying to wire us to be
smarter or more peaceful. A forced evolution.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's the benevolent or at least paternalistic view. Theory B.
Speaker 2: Theory B is desperate. David Wilcox suggests that these extraterrestrial
humans or human like aliens are dying. Their genetic line
is degrading. Maybe they've been cloning themselves for too long
and the errors are piling up, like making a photocopy
of a photocopy of a photocopy. Eventually the image is
too blurry to use.
Speaker 1: Got it, genetic degradation.
Speaker 2: So they're coming here to harvest our robust, diverse DNA
to save themselves. It's a matter of life and death
for them.
Speaker 1: So we are the donor bank. We're the fresh stock
where the original hard drive they need to reboot from.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then there's theory C, which George Norri brings
up often the dark question are they wiping us out?
Is this a replacement progres?
Speaker 1: Oh sark?
Speaker 2: Are they creating a hybrid race that is smarter, stronger,
and more controllable to take over the planet once we
are gone? A slow motion invasion?
Speaker 1: Ken Storch calls us the missing link, suggesting our evolution
was kickstarted by them eons ago, and now they're just
returning to update the software.
Speaker 2: It's a fascinating concept. We're an ongoing experiment and aerial
bark sawdoc adds another layer of complexity, factional warfare.
Speaker 1: Meaning they aren't all on the same team.
Speaker 2: Exactly the idea that the Watchers aren't a monolith. They
fight amongst themselves and we are just ponds in their
civil wars. They manipulate nations, they start conflicts, all to
serve their own agendas. One faction might want to save us,
another might want to harvest us.
Speaker 1: Which would explain why some abduction experiences are terrifying and
others are almost spiritual.
Speaker 2: It could explain the contradictions and the data were caught
in the middle of a cosmic cold war.
Speaker 1: It makes us feel very small, like we are just
pieces on a chessboard that stretches across the galaxy. But
let's seem out even further. Where are they coming from.
We talked about oryan earlier, but there's a theory that
they might be from right next door Mars Mars, the
red planet.
Speaker 2: The Mars theory is compelling because it's so close. We
know Mars has water NASA's Phoenix Land or confirmed ice
under the soil we know. It has a history that
might have supported life billions of years ago. It had
an atmosphere, It had.
Speaker 1: Oceans, and people in the nineteenth century were convinced they
saw canals.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Price of All Lull drew these elaborate maps of them.
Speaker 2: Which turned out to be optical illusions, but the idea stuck.
Eric Vondanakin and others suggest a catastrophe scenario. Mars had
a civilization war or environmental collapse destroyed the.
Speaker 1: Atmosphere, and the survivors had two.
Speaker 2: Choices, go underground or flee to the nearest habitable rock Earth.
Speaker 1: Jason Martel points out that if there is life on
Mars today, it would have to be subterranean to survive
the radiation in cold.
Speaker 2: And Interestingly, Grays are often associated with underground bases here
on Earth Dulce Base Area fifty one. Maybe they are
just cave dwellers by necessity because their home world forced
them underground.
Speaker 1: It fits the biology too large eyes for low light
environments slight frames because gravity on Mars is lower than Earth's,
so they wouldn't need as much muscle mass.
Speaker 2: It all lines up in a way. But then there's
a theory that blows my mind every time I think about.
Speaker 1: It, the time traveler hypothesis.
Speaker 2: This is the one that really resonates with the gray physiology.
Think about human evolution. As we rely more on technology,
our muscles atrophy. We don't need to hunt or fight.
Speaker 1: Physically, we sit at desks all day.
Speaker 2: As we process more information, our brains and skulls get larger.
We lose body hair because we have climate control. We
lose our aggressive instincts, or at least our physical capacity
for violence.
Speaker 1: So if you fast forward human evolution by fifty thousand years,
do you get a gray.
Speaker 2: Many anthropologists and theorists think so. The argument is that
the grays are us. They are humans from a desolate future.
Maybe we ruin the planet. Maybe we lost our ability
to reproduce naturally due to radiation or genetic tinkering. So
they are coming back to fix it, or to harvest
the genetic material they lost. They are coming back to
the source code us to repair their own broken biology.
It's a last ditch effort to save their species, which
is our species.
Speaker 1: That puts the abduction phenomenon in a whole new light.
They aren't stealing from a different species. They are taking
samples from their own ancestors.
Speaker 2: It's a temporal medical mission.
Speaker 1: It explains why they can breathe our air, why they
are anatomically humanoid, why they can interbreed with us, why
they are so interested in our nuclear capabilities.
Speaker 2: Exactly. Maybe they are trying to prevent the event that
destroyed their world. They are monitoring the turning point in
their own history.
Speaker 1: It's tragic, really, a ghost from Christmas future trying to
warn Ebenezer Scrooge.
Speaker 2: A very strange, silent ghost. But we can't talk about
high strangeness without mentioning the shape shifters.
Speaker 1: Travis Walton nineteen seventy five, Fire in the Sky. His
case is famous for the violent energy being that hit him,
which was unlike the clinical abductions we.
Speaker 2: Discussed, totally different. It felt like an accident. But the
detail that often gets overlooked is what happened inside the craft.
Speaker 1: He woke up, saw Gray's.
Speaker 2: Panicked freaked out, started fighting, and.
Speaker 1: Then he saw human looking aliens who calmed him down.
Speaker 2: Yes, Nordic type, tall, blonde, blue eyed, beautiful, almost angelic beings.
Speaker 1: The twist is were they different species or was it
a mask?
Speaker 2: Nick Pope and Michael Sala suggest these weren't different species,
but screen memories or sheep shifting technology, the idea that
they can project an imaged calm the subject.
Speaker 1: Don't be afraid, we look just like.
Speaker 2: You, while in reality you're looking at something else entirely.
It's the ultimate infiltration, which brings us to that disturbing
public policy polling stat that.
Speaker 1: Twelve million Americans believe shape shifting lizards or aliens are
in positions of power.
Speaker 2: It sounds crazy, but you can connect this to ancient
myths of God's changing shape. Zeus became a swan, Hindu
deities took on different forms. It's an old, old idea.
Speaker 1: It creates a sense of total paranoia. If they can
look like us, we are never safe. Anyone could be
one of them.
Speaker 2: So what does this all mean? We have looked at
the ancient tablets, the crash saucers, the robots, the stolen fetuses,
and the time travelers. It's a lot.
Speaker 1: It's a huge, contradictory, terrifying picture.
Speaker 2: It paints a picture of a reality that is far
more crowded and complex than we want to admit. Whether
they are ancient gods returning biological drones harvesting resources, or
our own great grandchildren trying to save themselves. The evidence
suggests we are being watched, and.
Speaker 1: The scary part is the supervised autonomy you mentioned. If
the Grays are just the worker bees, the drones, we
have yet to meet the queen, We have yet to
meet the intelligence that is actually pulling the strings.
Speaker 2: That is the unknown variable, and it is the one
that keeps me up at night. Are the Grays the
real visitors or are they just the delivery drones that
drop the package on your doorstep.
Speaker 1: I want to leave you with a provocative thought, something
to really chew on. If the time traveler theory is true,
if the Grays really are us from a destroyed future
coming back to harvest DNA to save themselves, do we
have the right to stop them?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Wow? Are we obligated to help them survive? Or are
we just lab rats in a timeline we don't understand
it is?
Speaker 2: That's the ultimate moral paradox. Do you sacrifice the present
to save the future that is your own?
Speaker 1: I want to hear from you, what do you think
which theory makes the most sense. Have you ever lost
time or seen the light you couldn't explain. Tell us
your story in the comments. We read everything, Be.
Speaker 2: Curious, and keep watching the skies.
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to Thrilling Threads.