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Speaker 1: Well, it's my great pleasure to welcome back to our

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podcast or another appearance getting ready for another important fights,

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none other than the former two times Junior Wealth the

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Weight world champion, Regis Prograt. Regis, thank you so much

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for joining me. We're here to talk about you have

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a very significant fight coming up. It's against Jack patterall

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in at the New co Op Live in Manchester, England

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and the headline the Mattroom Boxing card on October twenty sixth.

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On his own welcome, I know you're in training camp

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getting ready for the fight. First of all, just tell

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me just your your general thoughts about you know, preparing

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yet again for another you know, highly significant fight in

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the junior wealthweight division.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm excited about it, you know, I'm definitely

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excited something I'm really it's something I can kind of

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look forward to. It's something I'm excited about. It's something

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that it's a fight that I've been wanting for a

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little while. And you know, it happened.

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Speaker 3: I think me and Jack we're supposed to fight maybe like.

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Speaker 2: Two or three years ago, and maybe like two years

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ago and it just kind of just never happened. And

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you know, now is you know, I guess now's a

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good time and I think this is the biggest fight

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you can make at one four. And besides, you know

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people with the belts, so I think it's you know,

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it's a great fight.

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Speaker 3: It's a good fight, and I'm just excited about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, you mentioned about how maybe there was a conversation

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about maybe two guys would have hooked up in a

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fight a couple of years ago. You were supposed to

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fight each other on August twenty fourth, just a few

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months ago. He had to postpone the fight because he

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suffered a rib injury. And it was only like less

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than a month or so, or just about a month

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or so before the fight. So both of you guys

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are already in training camp, You're already doing your sparring,

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You're deep in you're spending money on the camp and

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the whole thing, and everybody's preparing for the event. And

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then unfortunately, you know it's not your first rodeo, it

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got postponed. Can you just sort of think back then,

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just give me your emotions and your thoughts about when

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you heard, oh damn, you know this fight was postponed

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and just you know, just having to kind of get

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back in the mentality of starting camp over again at

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some point, right.

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Speaker 3: I mean I was pissed. I was really pissed. I

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mean the main thing was because because I went to Vegas.

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Speaker 2: I went out there, I was in Vegas train, I

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was running, I was doing everything else to do sparring.

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I mean, I had a real, real tight just just

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my my schedule was just super tight. It was just

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literally like boxing all day long. And and then you know,

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coming out of pocket. You know, nobody, you know, Matt

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Trim never gave me no type of camp money and

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nothing like that.

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Speaker 3: I came out of my own pocket.

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Speaker 2: I went out to Vegas and I was training, and

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then they told me the fight was postponed. So it

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really you know, it bothered me a lot, but it

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bothered me more.

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Speaker 3: It bothered me about.

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Speaker 2: You know that I was training, because you know, it's

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you know, when I was out.

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Speaker 3: There training, it was good. It was good sparring, it

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was good work, it was it was just a whole

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it was a good vibe all around.

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Speaker 2: But the thing that bothered me is just like, you know,

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I did all this and I paid all this out

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of pocket, and you know, it's like basically it's for nothing.

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Speaker 1: So that the thing, let me ask you that that

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then you mentioned about the financial hit, and I mean

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what people with fans, I don't think sometimes realize is

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that a fighters, they don't get paid till the fight

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happens number one and number two. While there are certain fights,

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the biggest fights, uh, fighters get advances or get consideration

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and for training expenses you just mentioned it, did I

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just if you don't mind how much how much out

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of pocket you come to us to do that bunch

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of weeks of camp where you're not getting paid and

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now you got to start up the camp again, right.

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Speaker 2: I was up there for about a month. I mean,

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it wasn't that bad. Maybe like ten or fifteen thousand.

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I came out of pocket, you know, it's I mean,

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it's it's it's not it's not that much, but at

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the same time, it's still something. It's still something that

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I have to come out of pocket with. Nobody gave

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me no type of money. It wasn't you know, it

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was all me coming out. You know, I had to

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I had to fly my trainers out there. It's like

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one of my trainers out there. I had to share

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my car out there. I had to pay for lodging

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for my trainer. Luckily I have honestly live out there,

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so I did that.

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Speaker 3: You still have to pay.

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Speaker 2: I had to pay my shelf, I had to pay

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up for all my food, all that type of stuff.

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So you know that was like the bad thing about it.

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Speaker 1: But partners also you pay, yes, so you know.

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Speaker 2: You have to do all that type of stuff. And

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but listen, it it happens. You know, I understand it happens,

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and it is what it is, and I wasn't. I'm

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glad that you know, they they postponed. It wasn't just

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canceled all the way and it was postponed.

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Speaker 1: So when you hear that he has a rib injury,

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and you know that they didn't. They didn't say it's

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an elbow or a hand, it's a rib injury. Do

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you make that a point in the back of your

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mind to say, you know what, I'm gonna make sure

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I target his ribcage when it comes time for the fight.

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Speaker 2: Oh of course, I mean I don't know if it's

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true or not, but yeah, of course. I mean, look,

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you have an injury, of course I'm gonna go target bit.

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Speaker 3: You know, no matter what, that's what I'm gonna target.

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Speaker 2: So, you know, and I don't know if it's really

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I don't know if it's stay that's what.

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Speaker 3: I heard, you know, but you know, we can hear

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all kinds of stuff.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that's that'll that'll be, you know, one of

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the places I'll talget.

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Speaker 1: Now, you're essentially gonna be fighting in his hometown he

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lives about I looked up on Google Maps. It's about

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forty five fifty minutes between his hometown to Chorley and

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the arena where you're fighting in Manchester. Obviously it's a

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hometown fight for him. Did you have any qualms about

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taking your show on the road to go there. You're

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on the short end of a very close, excellent fight

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against Josh Taylor a few years ago in your two

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thousand and nine teen unification also in the UK, which

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I guess hasn't been the kindest to read this program.

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What's your mentality about going into the lines done again.

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Speaker 3: I'm not really tripping about it.

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Speaker 2: You know, It's like something I don't really think about,

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but I'm not really tripping about it.

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Speaker 3: At the same time, I want to be a you know,

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I want to be a world champion again.

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Speaker 2: And whatever it takes to get to that world championship

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status again, I'll just do it.

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Speaker 3: I just I know that Jack is not on my level.

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Speaker 2: I know I'm a way better fighter, So it really

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doesn't it doesn't matter whether.

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Speaker 3: Fighter's gonna take place.

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Speaker 2: I just I know that I'm way better, you know,

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Like I said I said earlier.

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Speaker 3: You know, it's a different interviews.

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Speaker 2: Like, man, you can check my resume, check what I did,

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you know, I mean, I had two bad performances. But listen,

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I just know that Jack is just he's not on

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my levels, know where close to being on my level.

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Speaker 3: So it doesn't matter.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they have the you know, the hometown stuff going on.

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But for me, listen, I think that makes me hungry.

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And I know that people kind of write me up.

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But it's a good thing for me, you know, because

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I'm a shock everybody.

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Speaker 1: All Right. So he beat Josh Taylor by a very

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clear decision in his last fight, took place in May.

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A lot most people think he won the first fight,

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so he should have two wins against and that was

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the split decision that he suffered. The loss and the

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undisputed title fight back in twenty twenty two. Uh, you

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lost a really close, outstanding fight to Josh Taylor in

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a two thing, like I said in the twenty nineteen unification.

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So I always wonder like how fighters sort of view

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this does the fact that he beat Taylor most people

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think twice you lost to him, all be it very close.

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Now you're fighting him, does that mean anything? The fact

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that he beat that.

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Speaker 2: Guy and he didn't absolutely no. Styles makes fights. You know,

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styles made fights. You know, Dan, You've been in boxing

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for a long time. That doesn't That absolutely means absolutely

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nothing at all.

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Speaker 3: Styles make fights. That doesn't matter. He might just have

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Taylor's number, that's all, you know, that's all. But he's

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he's not gonna have my number.

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Speaker 2: So now it's just it's a styles make fights type

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of thing, and that's just how that's how I go.

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Speaker 1: So did you ever watch the fight? Well, I guess

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the last fight that he had in May, But you

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did you watch that fight? And did you think did

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you watch the first fight that was the one that

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caused so much controversy, And if so for me, I.

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Speaker 2: Think I thought that first fight, the first fight, I

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thought he won that fight. The second fight it was closer.

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was a it was a I felt like it was

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a closer fight for the second fight. But it's just

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like you kind of you kind of old. He was like,

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you kind of have to give it to him, But

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I mean, it was it was.

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Speaker 3: A close fight.

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Speaker 2: I think Taylor first the action were I know Bob

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was pissed.

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Speaker 3: You know, he got the ring. He said that, you know,

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they Taylor.

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Speaker 2: Really want to fight, and it was it was a

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it was a way closer fight than a first fight. Now,

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but I do think that he deserved that win because

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he won the first one.

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Speaker 1: Now, I know, you got the fight obviously that you

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got to deal with Caterroll and in front of you

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and we're talking a little bit about his performance against Taylor.

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You had your fight against Taylor, and down the road,

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whatever happens in this fight, win, lose, or draw, do

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you have it in your back of your mind that

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someday you'd like to do it again with Josh Taylor.

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Was such a great fight the first time, It was

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so competitive, big stakes unification fight. It seems to me

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that at some point for both of you guys, it

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might make sense.

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Speaker 2: Man, it depends, you know, it depends on what happens,

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what goes on. Like for me, my my goal is

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to be a champion again.

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Speaker 3: That's it.

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Speaker 2: So if Josh Taylor happens to become a champion, of

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course I welcome that.

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Speaker 3: I'm definitely all.

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Speaker 2: If they tell me, after this, listen, you fight Joss

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Taill and then you have then you fight for the belt,

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then yeah, it's cool, we'll fight Joss Tailor again. But

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for me, it's it's not even a name, it's not

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no more names. It's just like I want I want

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to be a three time champion. That's something one of

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my I was dal behind that lead who was a

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three time champion, and that's something I want to do.

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I want to become a three time champion. And after

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that then I'll figure out what's going on. So whatever

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leads me and that in that direction, that's the direction.

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Speaker 3: I go in.

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Speaker 1: So a lot of times when we have these fights

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that come up, a lot of discussion turns toward if

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one guy is a right handed fighter, one guy's at

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south paw. It's not usually the most comfortable or normal

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thing let's say for the righty to be facing the lefty.

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In this particular case, you and Jack a bol South

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boys both left handed fighters, and most of your fights

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are against right handed fighters. So I always wonder when

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I'm talking to the lefty, how is it to go

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in with another lefty? Does it? Does it bothers me?

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Speaker 3: Not me?

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Speaker 2: If you look at most of the fight they've been

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most of my fight has been a lot of my

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fights been left handed fighters, you know, you studding, You

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know if you look at people just at the time

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of Hey, you look at like Onango ivor Red Cash,

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Jose's a paida town of McKenna, we both shim Josh here.

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You know I named five people just now and that's

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all left.

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Speaker 3: Handed fightles, you know.

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Speaker 2: So nahs, Yeah, I mean no, I don't feel untucked

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with at all.

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Speaker 1: All right, Well, you mentioned before by the way that

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you said, you know you had a couple of tough fights.

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Uh in the most recent past. Uh you had the

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split decision where you won the fight at home in

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New Orleans against den Alito's area. But even you know

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that was in defense of your title back in June

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of twenty twenty three. But even you admitted that was

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not a good performance. I mean you know that everybody

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the watch it knows that you did get the victory.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: And then the next fight, Uh, that was the loss

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to Devin Haney where you lost the belt in December.

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You know you got shut out, you got knocked down.

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Speaker 3: Uh.

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Speaker 1: How I mean those are those are a lot of guys.

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It's harder from those types of performances in a row.

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But how big of it is not only for you

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to go in there and do your thing against Catterroll,

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but to do it in at least somewhat impressive manager

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to show, Hey, listen, you know what. I went through

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my rough pass, but I'm still one of the top

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fighters at one hundred and forty pounds, right.

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Speaker 2: That's and that's exactly what I'm coming proof. You know,

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I want to I want to just like erase it,

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and I know I can. I know I am, you know,

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like I'm back in the gym and I'm just being

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me again. That's the thing, you know, I spoiled in

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the gym to day, and I mean my my train

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was like, man, that's the old regis. You're looking like

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the old regions. And that's how I want to come

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and I felt like, yeah, I had. I had a

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lot of stuff going on, you know, management issues and

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all kinds of stuff like that. Just it was just

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too much going on on my plate that I had

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to think about. Now it's just like it's all I

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think about.

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Speaker 3: Is back to boxing.

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Speaker 2: I actually change some things up in my team as

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far as like management wise, and they're taking care of that.

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Speaker 3: But at that time, you know, I don't know if

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we spoke back in the.

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Speaker 2: Day a few like a year ago or something like that,

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but I was, I was I was self managing myself.

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I was doing everything myself, and you know, at that time,

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I remember interviews with people and like you you manage yourself,

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and I thought that, yeah, I could do this and

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I didn't need a manager.

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Speaker 3: But I feel like, yeah, now I know that I

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do need to measure.

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Speaker 2: That is an important job because they take everything off

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they take everything off your plate.

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Speaker 3: So now all I do is focus on fighting.

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Speaker 2: I don't have to focus on nothing else and now

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just focus on boxing. So yeah, I think for me,

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it was like a mental thing. Physically, I can still

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do all the stuff. I still that's the thing. Boxing

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is more mental than physically and physically I still do

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all the stuff. I mean, it's a pointing time where

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you have to be honest with yourself and can.

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Speaker 3: You still do this? Can you still do it? And

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in a gym, I mean.

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Speaker 2: I'm looking I know, I'm looking real good. I mean

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I can't leak my spartan stuff like that, but I'm

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looking super good. I'm like, I'm real fast, I'm strong,

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I can still hear. Everything is still there. So it's

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all so I know it was all a mental thing.

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And my coaches they'll be honest with all my people

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around me, they'll be honest with there, Like god, damn,

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like you looking, man, You're looking so good, Like I've

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been looking like real real sweet in the gym right now.

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Speaker 3: So I know all that stuff was a mental tank

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about a mental thing.

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Speaker 2: So like now it's just like, you know, getting back

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to be that's the main thing.

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Speaker 3: Get back to being Regions program. That's what I need

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to do.

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Speaker 1: So when you lose the way you did against Devin Haney,

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I mean you'd have to wonder. I understand a guy loses.

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You got stuff going on outside during like you mentioned,

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maybe some of it's mental and you were busy trying

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to be a manager, random fighter and all that together.

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But when you don't win around it would cause one

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to maybe questions say, hey, you know, you know, I

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need to assess that performance. You talk about being you know,

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you know, in your top level in the gym, getting

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ready for this fight, But what the heck happened against Haney.

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Speaker 3: It's one thing.

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Speaker 1: It's one thing to lose to fight Regis, you know,

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but to frankly not compete to kind of a different mix.

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Speaker 3: Would I know I wasn't me. I just wasn't meet

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at night.

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Speaker 2: What happens, I don't know, and I can't. I still

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can't tell people what happened. I just I feel like

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I definitely felt like I wasn't meet. I'm not I

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wasn't regional program. I didn't do it, and I didn't

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do the things even in campus stuff like that lead

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them to the fight. I let a lot of hype

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get to my head, and I just the main thing,

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you know, long story short, I just wasn't me. I

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can I can go on about what happened in camp

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and what happened out of camp, but you know we.

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Speaker 3: Don't have time for that.

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Speaker 1: Have you ever gone back and watched that fight. No,

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okay watching, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Didn't watch it because I know that that.

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Speaker 3: Person that was fighting it wasn't me.

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Speaker 2: Even in a ring that night, I didn't feel like

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I just felt like I wasn't me at all.

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Speaker 3: So it's like, why would I watch something that's not me?

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You know, it doesn't It really doesn't make sense at all.

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Speaker 1: So I asked that Because I'll go back a little ways.

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I remember having an interview many years ago with the

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great heavyweight cham Vladimir Klitchko, who, in the worst night

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of his life, got absolutely uh embarrassed by Layman Brewster

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in a vacant heavyweight championship fight, and he was telling

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me he's watching all these films getting ready for fights.

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I asked him what he's watching. I thought, he's watching like,

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you know, Joe Lewis fights, or Muhammad Ali fights or

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this night. He's like, no, I'm watching myself get beat

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by Leman Brewster. Because you never wanted to forget what happened.

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That's why I asked that about going back to watch

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a loss. Yeah, did you ever think about that aspect

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of it to maybe like I'm thinking about.

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Speaker 3: It now, Hey, I might go and watch it.

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Speaker 2: Wait the way you say it, So now I might

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take a page of that book.

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Speaker 3: I might, I might go through that. I might go

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watch it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he said, Listen, I don't ever want to forget

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how I tell the Night. So I'm gonna keep watching that,

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and you know it'll motivate me when I go into

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my next fight. So I don't perform like that again.

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And frankly, you never did perform again like that. All right, well,

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so I just want to wrap up with this. Then.

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You know, I'm not big into like boxing cliches. I'm

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sure you've heard them all, but coming off of that

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type of defeat, uh, and now being back in a

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big spot, like you mentioned, this is probably on paper

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one of the best fights you can make in the

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weight class that's not in one of the championship fights.

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And so for you to go into this fight off

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of that, like again, not to be into the cliches,

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but how much do you view it as a quote

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unquote must win in terms of, you know, advancing your

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career to get back to that level where you want

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to be a champigain.

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Speaker 3: For me, I just know I'm gonna win.

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Speaker 2: It's not even like I don't put the pressure on

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myself to be like, oh it's a must win and

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this and that, and like I said, it's the same,

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you know, if I want to get to that pressure

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is the same thing with like with the Haney stuff,

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like oh I.

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Speaker 3: Have to do this, I have to do this.

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Speaker 2: And then like I compete it terribly because I let

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all that pressure get through my head. I box just

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because I love it.

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Speaker 3: You know, you have to.

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Speaker 2: You have to just enjoy the sport. You have to

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That's that's and that's what I'm doing. I'm getting back

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to just enjoying. I get back to I remember last camp,

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you know where Haiti I was going as Sparing and

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you know, I just I put so much pressure on

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myself to do this and do this and do this,

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and now like I'm just in a gym just having fun.

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And that's what I do for I do it. I

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literally just box because I just enjoy it. I really

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have fun boxing, and that's it, and that's what I

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you know, that's the main thing I want to do.

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Go out there enjoying myself. And like the thing is

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like live be in the moment, be present in that moment.

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Don't think about you know the past, don't think about

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the future, just be present right in that moment.

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Speaker 3: And that's kind of what I want to do.

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Speaker 2: And that's kind of what I've been doing, you know,

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Like I said, just training, sparring, all that, just having

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fun and being back to being me.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm gonna look forward to watching you back to

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being you come October twenty six against Jack Catterall. Regis,

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thank you very much for your time. I appreciate it

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and I certainly wish you the best of luck in

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the fight.

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Speaker 3: Thank man, thank you. M