Speaker 1: What's up everybody?
Speaker 2: Welcome back to Hobby Hotline. This is episode three five.
I am here with Tony aka TJ Online and Doctor
Beckett to phenomenal co host to start your Saturday. Hopefully,
if you're watching on any of the screens. I know
one of the hobby shops, it puts us on the screens. Hope,
if you're watching there or any anywhere you're watching online,
and that's always one of my first call outs. I'm
interested to see where everybody's watching the show from. So
if you want to drop that in the chat, that
would be greatly appreciated. Doctor Beckett, how has your week
been going, what you've been up to, you know, just
you know, just tell us how your week's been.
Speaker 3: The calm before the storm. We've got the This is
the greatest month in sports card history for card shows.
If we've got next weekend, I'm going to the Dallas show,
but I could have been going to the West Coast
show that my friend Rob Veris started, or fan Fest
or the fanatics Fest, and then the National I'm really
excited about that.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be the biggest win ever.
Speaker 3: So this is the greatest month in sports card show history.
So call before the storm Adam.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep.
Speaker 2: That's right, Tony aka TJ Online. How are you doing
today as well?
Speaker 5: Doing well?
Speaker 6: Blew my national budget for a third consecutive year before
the National song, you know, looking in the couch cushions,
trying to find a little bit of change.
Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Yeah, definitely, definitely exciting.
Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to touch as much on
the national and fanatics fest on this show. I think
the next couple of weeks leading up to it, they're
going to talk a little bit more. I think we're
I mean we're still like three weeks out, so I'm
sure you know you can find national content. We are
going to be actually starting the show with I think
one of the bigger stories we've seen here, in one
of the bigger cards that we've seen, I would say
it's one of the most historic cards in the history
of in the history of the industry. There is a restored,
restored t to six a Honus Wagner. Tony, I'll kick
it to you here first, kind of let the audience
know sort of what has happened here with this card
and maybe the low down of the story.
Speaker 6: Sure, so this card, to my knowledge, originated publicly in
nineteen seventy six. It was sold a couple of dollars
in a was bull Bar card shop, picked for a
dollar or two, and it sold publicly in the.
Speaker 5: Card shop for about ten dollars.
Speaker 6: I believe that Rob life'sym bought it, and then it
surfaced it around again.
Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety six.
Speaker 6: It sold for twelve thousand, six hundred dollars in an
RIA auction, and I believe it was purchased by the
person who had it restored. Took about a two year
job and then it then it was sold to Keith
Keith Oberman in the current state as you see here,
but it was raw. Now it's up for sale. And
what you're looking at now is if you go to
the next.
Speaker 1: Picture, with which one were you looking for?
Speaker 6: I put them in order. There's the okay, so it's fine.
I just had pictures. So this is the nineteen ninety
six auction where you see it's and this is this
was archived by Bob by the late Great Bob Flemkey,
and he wrote down.
Speaker 5: Where it's you know who sold it for a much.
Speaker 6: Here we got it sold us for six ninety six,
and on another page it's about twelve thousand and change.
If you go to the next slide, give it folks
a little bit of history about it. Here, here's the
back of the card, how it looks today. Next picture,
here's the original nineteen seventy six sale.
Speaker 5: I know it's kind of hard to see here.
Speaker 6: If you DM me on Instagram, just search for my
name and you'll and I'll send you a nice copy
of it. And I believe this is also on level
of the game's website too, which is the auction house
for this particular card.
Speaker 5: Right next one. You can keep going.
Speaker 2: That was the image of the card there, all right,
Al and his love of the game team has They
have a really nice video of this picture.
Speaker 6: This is just a screenshot where they show you how
the card looks today Rush, just how it looked back
when it was the die cut Wagner.
Speaker 5: And this here is an overlay.
Speaker 6: So if you kind of like blow it up in
your mind or just take a or just take a
screenshot here, you can trace your hand visually about where
the donor card, which was another T two O six
with this exact background, was merged and restored with this
die cut Wagoner, and you can see around to our
right part of his face, you know, his left. You
can see where the portion of the card that was
missing around the ear and where they restored it, along
with the bottom of it.
Speaker 5: Next image.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry I had it.
Speaker 2: I was getting it ready and then I accidentally clicked
out of it.
Speaker 6: Here it is, and here is what the back looks
like before it was restored. And the person who did
the restoration I believe was profiled at a nineteen ninety
six issue of Vintage Collector Baseball Cards. So I have
a copy of that magazine upstairs. I got screenshots of
that article if anyone wants a copy of it too.
And this is the front of it, so you can
see the card is there except for three of the
four boarders and the background. So it's not like you're,
you know, getting a car that's cut in half, or
getting a car that's really messed up to the point
where it needs complete restoration with a lot of paint
and everything. That's not like the previous two Wagoners that's
been sold by SCP had one and Mile High sold the.
Speaker 5: Last one twice.
Speaker 6: And this is just a top of the auction catalog
back from nineteen ninety six. I wish I can have
that Bronco on the Jersky card that sold for that price.
Speaker 2: Then I think that's back, and then I think there's
one more, one more.
Speaker 6: And uh, doctor Jim probably has a lot on this
topic in general. But this is a picture that Keith
Oberman posted on Twitter and not and the important the
important card to me is not so much the one
that he's holding in his hand, but that's the one
that we're talking about today.
Speaker 5: It's getting a lot of media attention.
Speaker 6: But the one in back of that, that's the partial
cut strip and it's a proof. It's a T two
o six proof that supposedly, uh honest Wagner owned that
the American Tobacco Company sent him to try to get
his approval to it, and even has the cut lines
and everything, and uh, that's a that's the only T
two o six honest Wagner proof.
Speaker 4: That I'm aware of.
Speaker 6: But look at that piece, and I believe that's one
of the only few things that Ken Golden deeply regrets
selling to the Stay because he said that publicly.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, the the T six or the proof
in the background, there are just the.
Speaker 5: Yeah, proof of Genet.
Speaker 6: Yeah you got more to Kai Brown, you have c
Cy Young, you got Wener and two other players.
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean it's such a crazy it's an
insane set really, like I mean, obviously one of you know,
the I think one of the original sets really in
the sports card industry. Uh you know, doctor Beckett, you
were telling us before the show. I think you were
talking about this card that you potentially had an opportunity to.
Speaker 1: Acquire one of these cars.
Speaker 3: Is that?
Speaker 1: Where were you talking about this card or a different card?
Speaker 4: Neither one.
Speaker 3: But first of all, you know we're showing the card
that Keith is holding now is what it looks like now,
But originally, you know, it was a mess and so
people you know, it's a partial card, but it's been
restored amazingly. And just to kind of correct one thing,
Ken Golden I don't think regrets selling anything because it
gives him the opportunity to sell it again, because somehow
he gets a lot of repeat business, some boomerang business.
So when if Keith wants to sell this, Ken Golden's
going to have him on speed dial so he'll get
a second, second bite at the apple. And that's just
a magnificent strip of five and this, this restored card
looks great, but remember it came from that that really
amateurishly trimmed outlined card. So the but the restorers back
in the day, the stayed underground for the most part,
but they were professional restorers and this is not this
was not This was a very high level restoration job.
And many of the high level restorers from back in
the seventies. I don't know about the sixties, but I
know there were some in the seventies. Danny Ektis, my
business partner at the time, was aware of people that
were doing that stuff, but they were kind of underground.
They did not want to be known, but they did
fabulous work, almost undetectable. I don't think it was undetectable,
very close to undetached. So this is a magnificent restoration shop.
And unlike I don't know if I've heard quotes on this,
but I think this is going to go for a
big number because of the Oberman pedigree. The restoration is
is spectacular.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's pretty incredible how they
were able to kind of create a card from a
piece of the card. Obviously, and I think It's kind
of one of the cool things about cards from you know,
that era and just you know, older cards in general.
It feels like a lot of the a lot of
the cards were not like meant to be collectibles, Like
they were not kept in good conditions. So it's like
that's when you find those those vintage cards that are
in good condition, that's why you see them have such
a huge price tag. And I mean this one obviously
had more, you know, obviously had a lot of work
done to it, but it's still such a such a
unique piece because it's taking what was an original piece
of a card that you know, that most people know of.
Speaker 1: There's probably what you know, TJ. There's probably Tony.
Speaker 2: There's probably only what like two hundred of these, I
you know, I'm not sure the exact number, but maybe yeah,
maybe ninety.
Speaker 3: Yeah this is two cards. Yeah, it sandwich together. They're
not both Wagoners. But but no, it's it's like I
said back in the day, the highest level professional restorers
that are working on not the Mona Lisa, but work
on very high level museum quality stuff. They did not advertise.
It was word of mouth. You had to know somebody,
And I don't know if you had to swear to secrecy,
but you were going to tell people that you restored cards.
But but this is the way to go to declare it.
This is what happened to give the pedigree. And I
think that adds value because it's not a mystery of
hey was this done under the table. Now we can
track the provenance, we can track the history of this
card and how it was put together into something that
I think, like Tony was saying, this looks way better
than the previous Wagners that have been out there for
sale that sold for big bucks and also at least
one well I don't know one of them was authentic,
but this is a better authentic.
Speaker 5: The last two I see.
Speaker 6: Sep sold one for one point one million dollars in
twenty twenty one, and then Miles Hyde sold two of
the same cards, the last one being in April twenty
twenty five that sold for almost two million dollars exactly.
And those cards were in worse shape than this one,
and a lot of painting had to be done to
kind of match the card what was left of the
of the card to what you see today. And then
we have the second card. I believe PSA ever graded,
which has a zero zero zero zero ends in two.
And that's the Wagner that's basically ripped in half, and
that sold the last time it's sold for four hundred
and four hundred and seventy six thousand dollars in February
twenty twenty two. I guess you're looking at somewhere between that.
You know, those three ranges.
Speaker 1: Right, but y spices, Yeah, go for it.
Speaker 4: Sorry.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say, what's what's nice about this, and
I'm sure that you and doctor Jim will also agree,
is it's openly labeled as restored. It's not even like
says all, it's just not alter, just restored.
Speaker 5: And then SGC has a nice right up on Love
of the Game.
Speaker 6: Does Oberman wrote an article on it again, and everything's
open about it, even that before, during, and after pictures
of it toe and I think that's really cool.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: The other thing, the other thing that might kick in
here is that it looks a little bit different as well, Yes,
because of the slight difference in the color background, and
so what's that doesn't look exactly like the others. I
think it's going to be a market distinction. Again, there's
no hiding this.
Speaker 4: This is what was done.
Speaker 3: And I think it's a beautiful looking card and went
from an ugly card to a beautiful card.
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, And I mean I think you know,
foul Balls in the chat kind of saying talking about
this might be a scam and that it's a fake.
And I mean, I think there's a little bit of
a distinction here because we all know the store, we
all know it's been restored. It's not like they're trying
to sell it as like an authentic as a fully
authentic version of the Wagner like we we know, and
anybody buying this, like you know, I try to give
people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to
how much research they're doing if you're buying something, but
if you're going to buy this card, you know what
you're buying. Like, I don't think anybody has the money
to afford something like this and doesn't know that they're
buying a restored version of the card.
Speaker 1: Is it a fake?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: You know? I think restored and altered.
Speaker 2: I think it is much different because we know, like
you said, there's only about ninety nine of them in existence,
and you know each one is going to have different
parts about it that make it unique, like not every
you know, it's not like a million cards that are
coming out of packs nowadays that are all you know,
Luca Rookie, that's all all the same, It's all the
exact same card.
Speaker 1: Like this is a card that.
Speaker 2: Has ninety nine copies probably in existence, and I would
you know, I would say probably about ninety to ninety
five of them are all going to be in different condition,
which I think makes this card so unique. And MOOKI
actually had a good question in the chat for you,
doctor Beckett that I want to ask, So he was asking,
what are your what are your thoughts towards card restorations
at a time where card can be repaired?
Speaker 1: Is it similar different?
Speaker 2: I mean I kind of went over that a little bit,
I think with this card specifically, but I'm interested to
hear you know, your thoughts on kind of the restoration
of this card and sort of that stuff in general.
Speaker 3: That's that take up the rest of the time. MOOKI, oh,
episode on that. It's it's but just to address the
scam part of restoration and those kind of things where
in the chain of custody was a crime committed where
there was deception committed.
Speaker 4: I don't see it, Okay, So to me.
Speaker 3: A scam has to either be illegal or deceptive. And
so I'm not going to use the scam word here.
I'm going to use marketing. You know, this is marketing.
This is tell it like it is. They want to
make sure that whoever gets this card understands the full story.
And it's a great story. Right, It's a great story.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, I just yes.
Speaker 4: And it would be a scam if you tried to
slide it by somebody.
Speaker 2: Right, if this was you know, if they restored it
and somehow they were trying to sell it off as
an authentic, authentic wagoner, obviously, I you know, I think
I think in this scenario to the restoration of the card,
you know, you're restoring a card that there's only ninety
nine of them, ninety nine of them in existence.
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's.
Speaker 2: I don't know if they did it, Like I know,
Golden also sold one of the copies of the Deculary
Declaration of Independence, which I guess I kind of learned
that there were multiple copies from them selling them because
I'm like, it's not the one that it's not the
National Treasures version that they're trying to steal in the movie.
Speaker 1: But yeah, so I just.
Speaker 7: Would be a scam, right, yeah, right, right, the movie
probably the original.
Speaker 2: Right right, Sorry, I had one other collect Yeah, Orlando
saying there's probably about sixty. I mean it's you know,
I think it's the number who Depending on who you ask,
it might be different potentially, but yeah, it's I don't know,
I don't I don't think it's you know, necessarily, I
don't think it's a scam. I think they you know,
it's a restored copy of one. It's a restored copy
of something where there's only whatever ninety nine or one
hundred of.
Speaker 1: Them in existence.
Speaker 2: I guess it's kind of uh, you know, who knows
who knows, and the person's buying it and should know
what they're buying.
Speaker 1: That's the other thing.
Speaker 3: There's a little more knowledge about who has them. Back
in the very early day in the seventies, and these
card shows, the really big card shows were all the
major We'd go around and I'd be a listener more.
But these guys older than me would talk about who
had the Wagner and where they were, and at that
point they could they could identify forty five or fifty,
and the hobby was close knit in those days, so
they know who had the wagoners. Since that time, every
two or three years, another Wagner has been discovered two
or three or four or five years. I mean sometimes
you go, well, okay, so now the perception is, like
Orlando says, it's really a pretty strong perception that it's
around sixty. Maybe it's a little bit more than that,
but I think the story is better when you say,
there's really a thought that the population is in the sixties,
and then it's not nebulous and we may find another
one every so often, but how many more are going
to be out there after we've been looking.
Speaker 4: For one hundred and some years, right exactly. My point
is it's a tighter n.
Speaker 3: Number than what people think based on my fifty plus
years in the hobby of researching these things. So it's
that makes it a great quest.
Speaker 1: Right totally.
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you know we're you know, I I
guess any you know, Tony, any last thoughts here on
this topic before we move on to you know, I
think this was a pretty good week of hobby news
stories that we're going to cover here.
Speaker 1: And I think so, Tony. Any last thoughts here on this, Wagner, just.
Speaker 6: What doctor Jim said about the pop Yeah, that's definitely accurate.
Speaker 5: He would know more than anyone.
Speaker 6: And I also like the fact that the donor card
for the background was the yellowish fading. I forget the
name of the player, but that will always make this
card stand out and no one could ever try to
pass it off, try to get slabbed again, you know,
even though I don't think it would ever happen into
a you know, ps A five or six. I mean,
it's not like that, and it's not like any of
the other cards that are currently to have a number
grade that we think may have been altered in some way.
Speaker 5: This is clearly open.
Speaker 6: Transparent, and I think that's the really cool story about
this and it's different.
Speaker 2: Right yep, yeah, I totally agree. And then yeah, doctor Beckett,
any last thoughts here before we move on?
Speaker 3: No, but I mean, thank you to Keith for giving
us a chance to talk about this and give somebody
else a chance to own a wagoner with a great story.
Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: Now the next story we're going to talk about not
you know, obviously cards that are not as old, but
cards that are maybe just as historic. It was announced
this week that Michael Jordan and Upper Deck have extended
their partnership. So they had Michael Jordan had an exclusive
partnership with Upper Deck since nineteen ninety one, signing for
autographs and memorabilia and stuff along those lines. So along
with the announcement that he was going to be extending
that partnership, he all the Upper Deck also announced that
this year in good Win champions there are going to
be pack redemptions for the nineteen eighty six fleeer basketball
packs that are signed by Michael Jordan himself. And I
think one of the cool things that they did. Here,
I'm trying to find it on the screen. I know
it's number twelve. I think it's this one right here
he put Actually it actually is a from what I understand,
it is a pack that has a Michael Jordan in
it and he signed it, you know, rookie pack. Why
he didn't do twenty three of twenty three. Maybe twelve
was his I think twelve was his Olympic number. Maybe
that's maybe that's why they did twelve of twenty three.
But one of the packs actually has a Jordan in it,
and there are going to be redemptions. I believe that
there were also going to be redemptions for signed Jordan boxes,
which is, you know, another cool thing that Upper Deck
is adding to good Win Champions. Unfortunately, the price of
the good Win Champions box have jump pretty significantly since
its announcement. So you know, I'll kick it to you
to here Tony. First, what were your thoughts on, uh,
the announcement that that they came out with, and what
are your thoughts on just this in general?
Speaker 6: I don't want to call Upper Deck a little guy
because I grew up around when they were big when
I was thirteen, But in this particular case, I'm glad
that Jordan's stayed with Upper Deck. They just extended the contract.
Apparently he has a lot more input about what his
autograph goes on, what type of products, uh, And they
want to, I guess, go for the nostalgia part of it,
where get more items from the hobby and maybe have
him autograph it. And this eighty six flare box which
would be auctioned off on eBay. Uh, ten percent of
the proceeds are going to go to I forget the foundation,
but they said that. So the so eBay is going
to auction off though box which is one on one
and you know these redemption packs. I like how they
numbered one to twenty three and signed a heating number
but he signed.
Speaker 5: I think it's pretty cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor Becket, how about how about you? What were
your thoughts on this? The news story that came out
this week?
Speaker 4: Well, that was terrific. I mean all this stuff.
Speaker 3: I mean that Upper Deck's doing their part in trying
to tenex the hobby. I mean, who doesn't want to
have a chance that a Michael Jordan card or autograph
or especially rookie or the rookie sticker. So this is,
this is, this is going to be terrific. This, this
story has legs. What people I think are missing is
the fact that it's announced as Michael becoming a legacy partner.
Speaker 4: And I emphasise partner.
Speaker 3: I mean I don't know that they he doesn't need
a lot of money, but I think this is bringing
him into even a closer relationship with Upper Deck. Perhaps
he's participating in on an equity basis for this product
or other things that he's doing that he's getting a
and some creative opportunity to do some fun things. You know,
his goatness is being challenged, and so this is an
opportunity for him to say, hey, I'm still really I'm
still doing cool stuff. You've got to Chae because his
autographs are really tough, are really tough. Now, the whole
thing here is that his autographs. If I got one
of these, I'm going to open the pack because there's
like a one in twelve chance of getting a Jordan
in that pack in any pact, okay, and there's a
one in twelve chance of getting the sticker of Jordan.
So you just there's no way I would not open
this very carefully. And they truly are wax packs, so
you can you can, you know, unseal them and unfold
them and flatten them out and careful with it and
get it, get the autographed wrapper laid out. But I
think there's here's the negative about this is that I
think from back in the day, from forty years ago,
there was a systematic distribution of these cards where you
just peek at the first card that on the bottom
or whatever. If you could just get an idea of
one card, you would have an idea of the sequence, right,
And yeah, Nicole Jordan was in the pack, right, So
that I don't like. But on the other hand, there's
gonna be a couple of Jordan's in there, and there's
gonna be a couple of Jordan's stickers in there, right,
and they they're packed fresh, right, they might wind up
being a black label ten.
Speaker 1: Who knows, right, right? Yeah? I think I.
Speaker 3: Could not open a pack if I got it a
collector of cards, not.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I think it was the Bill Lamber
if you pulled. If you open the pack and the
first card is a Bill Lamb beer, I'm pretty or
I think that's how you pronounce his name. I believe
that has the Jordan, I know, the coalition. I think
an interesting thing here, I think is that upper deck
is kind of confirming that that is the case, Like
because by Jordan's signing one of the packs, you know,
rookie pack, I would imagine that would mean that they
know that there's going to be a Jordan within the pack.
But you know, the stickers, I don't know if that's
that would be the sticker, okay.
Speaker 5: Right, because you can see him on the back of
the pack.
Speaker 2: Right right, right, Yeah, And I guess I would be
interested to know who came up with the idea first,
because this year we've seen a lot of like nostalgia
redemptions with you know, Tops did the Mickey Mantle redemption
and now we have you know, I nineteen eighty six
Fleeer redemption. So I would be interested if this was
like one like maybe a consulting company suggested it to
both Tops and Upper Deck, or if this was an
idea you know that came out came to fruition because
of what Tops did, uh with their Mickey Mantal redemption,
because that you know, that card, the redemption from that
one sold I believe were over a hundred out one
hundred thousand dollars more than previous comps. It was a
PSA five point five. The redemption sold through Golden which
gets crazy, you know, he's all over everything that sells nowadays.
But uh, the five point five redemption sold for two
hundred and ninety three when I believe the other sales
of PSA five point fives of the Mickey Mantle were
like in the one thirty one forty range. So you know, again,
I don't know if this is coming. If Arberdeck came
up with this idea, because of what they did with
because of what Tops did, or if this was just
something that you know, it's a coincidence that both companies
are doing this type of you know, redemption within both
both of their big products. I think this year, which
I think is definitely a cool thing.
Speaker 3: Guys, upper Deck is probably pitching Michael Jordan. Every year
you get some more autographs from him. The interesting thing
about this is not very It doesn't dilute the market
as badly as some of the other ideas that they
come up with. If they just had if they did
you know, serial number to one thousand autographs of Jordan,
that's bad. But this is autographing the wrapper. It's it's
it's it's just there's.
Speaker 4: A lot to like about this. Who had the idea.
Speaker 3: There's a lot of smart people at upper Deck. There's
a lot of smart people at every one of these
card companies. They're creatively doing things. But like I said,
the word partner, I think he's critical. Michael Jordan had
to personally embrace this and say yes, I want to
do this, and and I'm sure he had some creative
input because he didn't want to have his like I said,
his goats. He wants to be the goat. He is
the goat, right LBJ is going to be messing around
this next year doing interesting things that are pretty unprecedented
for a player of his age, although Kareem finished pretty
well too, but you know, Michael's maybe feeling the footsteps.
Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, And I mean I guess too.
Speaker 2: I would be interested, like the legacy partner aspect of this,
you know deal that's going on, I would be interested
to know, like, like what, because I would be interested
to know what input Michael.
Speaker 1: Is going to have.
Speaker 2: I called them Michael, like I know him personally, Michael Jordan,
what input he's going to have into some sort of
sports card related products going forward, because if you look
at the only industry that's really the closest industry to
sports cards really is kind of sneakers. I think like
the buying and selling of the sneaker market is pretty
close to like how the cards work. So I'd be
interested from Jordan's input of maybe some things that have
happened in the sneaker industry with his name and his
brand being one of the biggest in that industry, if
if he has any suggestions of how we can make
this industry better or kind of you know, add some
stuff that we don't really know of and or stuff
that maybe you know, because we're so into sports cards,
we didn't think of that we could add this. So
I think it's I definitely think it's a cool, you know,
a cool addition to Goodwin champions Like I said, it's
it's one of the more anticipated products every year already,
so it's definitely, you know, it's adding to the excitement
I think of that of that product.
Speaker 1: Just in general.
Speaker 3: I agree Michael Geordan want to stuff that's interesting that
hasn't been done before, and he I think he's embraced
this because it wasn't.
Speaker 4: A me too copycat thing. Hey, fanatics is doing this.
We're going to do this.
Speaker 3: This is pretty much an original idea and it will
be well executed and I think it's great. So Michael,
again the partner, is saying, yeah, I want to do this.
I mean back, you know, twenty years ago you had
to it was tough to get players to cooperate with anything.
And now Michael Jordan's got a seat at the table.
He's saying, if I'm going to do it, this is
why I'd like to do it. Here's what we had
in mind, Here's what I'd like to do. It sounds,
it sounds terrific, and if bodes well for the ongoing relationship,
that they'll be again. Without diluting it too much, that
Upper deckt this is their strongest hold card, you know,
for the value of their companies. They have Michael Jordan
on speed dial, and Michael Jordan's saying, yes, I'm answering
the call. I'm here for you, Here's what I'd like
to do.
Speaker 4: What do you think?
Speaker 3: And almost no matter what Michael Jordan says, the Upper
Day said, you bet, Michael, you want to do that?
We want as much as you'll give us within reason.
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Tony, I know you had you had something
to say there as well, going.
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, but that I'll just keep it quick.
Speaker 6: So if you are lucky enough to get one of these,
just look for the Clark Tellog. If you get to
Clark Tellog, then you're going to get an MJ in
the back. I read an article that the Sports Business
Journal put out and they just said, basically, Jordan's going
to have much more influence over which historical moments will
be celebrated, which objects he will sign or not how
limited additions will be handled and the inscriptions used. And
finally they said he's going to have more input about
the type of memorabilia. So right now up Productor does
not have the NBA license. They're only putting out college
cards of mj Or. You know, I don't even think
they put out cards where the bulls logos uh not,
you know, where it's painted over. So doing things like
this where they can get things that were done in
the past, you know, which were made in the past,
and get him to sign it, I think it's a
wonderful way to pay you know, tribute to the greatest
baseball player of all time next to Will Right in my.
Speaker 2: Opinion, Yeah, I think it's it's and I mean, I
guess another piece of this story that I think is interesting.
As you know, there was a car one of the
PSA tens for Jordan. I think it sold for three
hundred and ninety k the like last week. It was
the highest sale of a PSA. Yeah, it was the
highest sale of a PSA ten in five years. So
you know, we've seen signed Jordan's go for more. We've
seen Jordan PSA tens with one of the NBA stickers
sell for you know, more than that, but it is
one of the base versions of the PSA tens. It
was the highest it's sold in five years. And I
think it's one of the more iconic cards in the hobby.
With only three I think it's three hundred and thirty
five PSA tens. It's probably one of the more expensive
bass rookie cards in the industry as well.
Speaker 1: Well. So you know, out of these packs.
Speaker 2: You know, I personally, I mean, I'm I'm probably on
the other side and I'm not like doctor Beck. I
would not probably open that pack. I think I would
keep it, keep it in the keep it in the
seal there. But you know, like I said, it's it's
it's cool that they're bringing more nostalgia, I think into
an industry where everything it feels like it's very much
like what's going on right now. So it's it's cool
that they're bringing more of the nostalgia into into these packs.
You know, whether it's topped with the nineteen fifty two
and I know they're doing I think it was Hank
Aaron and Jackie Robinson, I believe are gonna be the
Redemptions in series two. When they're they're kind of adding
more of those redemptions into those packs. I think those
are definitely cool, and it's so it's nice to see
that they're you know, bringing some nostalgia and into those
packs for sure.
Speaker 3: Again, guys, the problem is if Upper Deck announces in
twenty twenty seven.
Speaker 4: We're we're gonna do this again.
Speaker 3: With another twenty three or four packs and another box.
Speaker 4: And to the everybody, that's great.
Speaker 3: The Boys and Girls Club's gonna get another big, big
check and collectors are going to get this. But there
has to be some restraint here, right, because you know,
the hobby likes to kind of beat beat dead horses
and promote things to death. So if there's some restraint here,
this is gonna be a terrific promotion. And then Michael
can say let's do shoes or or I've got some
jerseys or I've got some other things.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, you know, I hope.
Speaker 2: I think Jordan kind of has a good his finger
on the pulse of like, you know, what is trending
just based on you know, the brand, I think as well.
Speaker 1: So we are actually gonna move on to.
Speaker 2: A topic that I think is probably pretty Probably the
most controversial topic we've seen in I don't know quite
like quite some time is Tops announcing they're going to
be selling the They're going to be selling the pre
ordered Tops Chrome Update megaboxes that are sold directly through
their website, because I know that was one the misconceptions
that I saw a couple of people talking about was well,
what's going to stop people from going into stores and
buying these and then flipping the switching the packs around.
It's only for right now, it's only the pre orders
that Tops is selling directly. They're going to be selling
the boxes h without the wrapping. I you know, I've
had mixed feelings about it. I'll let you guys go first,
Doctor Beckett, I'll kind of ask you first, like what
were your thoughts here when you when you saw this
this past week, this news.
Speaker 4: I think it's an experiment.
Speaker 3: Uh, it's an experiment that's uh, just to see what happens.
And I think I'm glad that Tops is trying to.
Speaker 4: Experiment with things.
Speaker 3: Now if they just had and again every company is
different on this, but if they you know, the the
the shrink wrap is the is the first level of protection,
but the second level is the little tab sometimes at
the making sure the box has not been that the
box top is you know, the little circular uh emblemers
something that some of them doing, some of them don't.
And then the third level is what's in the actual
pack and the searchability of a pack once you open
the box, and that's problematic. So if that secondary protection
is there of like a tamper proof seal of the
of the flap of the box that you can't get
into the box without damaging the box, but we still
have all.
Speaker 4: These crt you know, threats of that too.
Speaker 3: So I'm hoping that all that stuff is resolved, because
you know, the crooks are they are You slow them
down when you do these things, but I don't know
that you stop them. And so I'm hoping it's a
successful experiment because I like, if this is letting people
know that Fanatics thinks it's good for people to get
the box at a reasonable price, open it up, or
that somebody can sell it to their friends or people
in their store or whatever or at a show and
you're selling at a reasonable markup, that I think they
deserve credit for this experiment and trying to trying to
protect the collector.
Speaker 2: Right, Tony, how about you? What were your thoughts here
when we saw this news this past week.
Speaker 6: I Doctor Jim brought up a great many great points,
but the point that resonated with me was will they
still have the little tamper proof piece of tape to
improve I looked for it. I can't find information about
that because if you open up Sorry.
Speaker 3: Doctor Jim, no, I'm saying that's that's all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's huge because then what's I mean?
Speaker 6: Yeah, Tops is going to sell these directly to the
to the consumer and to other dealers, and then what
happens after that because you can easily switch out packs,
they weigh them, you know, you can do a number
of things. I'm not a buyer of this product, but
my son and I used to buy the Allen and
Ginter products up to about two years ago, so we
love those.
Speaker 4: But yeah, we'll.
Speaker 5: See how it goes.
Speaker 6: But it's definitely a step in the right directions if
you're in the market for these types.
Speaker 1: Of items, right, I guess too.
Speaker 2: Just to kind of piggyback on your guys' point here, like,
if it still has that piece of tape, isn't that
essentially the same thing as having the wrap on there.
Speaker 1: So like if it does, it's no, no, you don't,
you don't think.
Speaker 4: So go in the side.
Speaker 3: You know, we people do heart surgery going in through
your leg to your heart, so you know, there's there's
just you know, guys, I mean, I don't want to
be thinking like a criminal because it infects your mind.
But they'll find a way to peek in there, or
to kind of slide it out and slide it back
or just so yeah, right.
Speaker 4: They might. They might.
Speaker 3: They might try to beat that system even if the
tamper proof box closing mechanism is intact.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, And I mean that's that's the other thing
that you said, doctor Beck that I kind of was
thinking about, was like, the criminals are going to do
criminal stuff, like you know, it might solow them down,
but they're gonna they're gonna try and find a way
like so, so you know, I think that's why buying
from you know, directly either directly from tops or buying
people who have a good reputation in this industry is
more important than it ever has been. I mean, the
amount of you know, and I know we were talking
about the Wagner earlier. But the other I've seen people
making cards like people are just making fake cards, like
they're putting their taking I saw some people take Prism
cards and they were putting like a sticker, like a
plain piece of like phone I have what's called like
plain piece of plastic and making it into a refractor,
and it's like then selling it as a refractor when
it's not at all. So, you know, I think that
buying from people in this industry that have a good
reputation is more important than I think it ever has been.
And you know, having a good reputation is more important
than it ever has been. I think that's kind of
the other that's the other part of this where I've
seen a lot of people saying that this is going
to be the problem, and this is gonna be the problem,
and this is gonna be the problem. But it's like
if you are, if you're if you're buying them directly
from tops, which right now they're still available, which I
guarantee that these were sealed, I think that they probably
wouldn't be like you can still buy these right now,
which for the new new Tops products, this is the
longest I've ever seen any of them available on their website.
I mean the blasters for example, those sold out in
five minutes, like when they dropped the blasters, And I
think that they did eke eql for the hobby boxes
and jumbo hobby boxes, but when they dropped the blasters,
they sold out in five minutes. So it's like, I
don't know if this is because because I did see
someone say that maybe this is because they just printed
a ton of these boxes and that's why they're not selling.
I think it's partially because of that, but I think
it's also that, you know, maybe there's people just don't
want to buy the box as well at the shrink
wrap to resell them. And so you know, I think
eighty five dollars, you know, these used to you know,
I don't know back in you know, I don't know,
not even back in the day, probably like three or
four years ago, these were probably fifty or sixty dollars boxes.
Speaker 1: So you're seeing a pretty increased price.
Speaker 2: It could also have to do with the price, but
I think overall, Tops is at least trying to figure
out a solution to boxes and the prices on the
secondary market to help collectors, and you know, that's what
they said in their statement, let me pull that back
up here. Uh, they said, Uh, this is an initial
test of a larger program working to ensure that more
collectors can buy the products at retail prices, which you know,
eighty five dollars is still kind of you know, I
don't know, it's still a little high in my opinion
for a box. But at the same time, who knows,
who knows how this will go and what their what
their next steps are. I mean, you know, doctor Becketta,
ask you this question, like, what do you think could
be another solution, like at least you know, like I said,
at least Hopps is trying. But you know, do you
think that this is potentially a good solution for to
keep the prices where they should be.
Speaker 3: I suppose it's an experiment, Adam. I mean you said it, well,
if this, if the end result of this is that
reputation matters even more than it used to, and that
that's a positive development that you're going to be careful
buying from a from a stranger. But you know, there's
it's a it's it's a mega These are megaboxes, I think,
and they're they're they're eighty five bucks, and you're you're
really talking about I think it's a limit of four
per customer. And so maybe the the lack of sellout
is that the eight again think like a criminal. But
the criminals may not have figured out how to beat
this system yet, and so they're not going to jump
in with both feet until they figure out, hey, can
I can I can I how can I work this
to my advantage? Right? Just buying and open them and
enjoying them or selling them for reasonable markups. So so
if it hasn't sold out because the scammers have not
figured out yet how they're gonna do an end around,
then the people that are getting the product, or the
people that want the product for their own personal use
and for their kind of direct customers or their friends.
You can have a buying group all these things, but
it's it's only what is it.
Speaker 4: Forty two cards?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I believe, Yeah, that's not six's.
Speaker 3: Forty two cards at a time for eighty five bucks.
You're paying two bucks a card for forty one of
them are not worth two bucks. So but they're trying
to figure out that, and and I hope they're not
able to beat the system, as we said, And if
they're not. Then the production the junk wax era was
precipitated by people being overly aggressive of buying stuff because
of the potential for future resale. Is this is defeating
that You're not going to be buying it thinking hey,
I can flip it and get it to somebody else.
You're thinking, I only need to be buying what I
really need for this because the shrink wrap's not there.
You know, I'm probably gonna need to sell this sooner
or open it myself and all that, so.
Speaker 2: Right, right, yeah, I mean, I if if it keeps
like I mean, I think at eighty five dollars, it's
a tough sell in my opinion, honestly, just to to
try and sell that box at that price in the
first place. I think obviously people are buying it, but
not at the not at the rate, you know, and
maybe that's because of the or the unwrapped boxes, or
maybe it's because of the price. I mean there, I
think there are tons of different things that could factor
in here. I mean, obviously, obviously you're paying eighty five
dollars for the chance, like to get one of the
debut patches. I believe that is advertised on the box
or but there's only ninety three or right, I think
that there's ninety nine players. I think there's ninety three
that have autographs, and then there's six players who are
Penny exclusives that don't have autographs, but they have debut
patch cards. So you know, I guess, Tony. I'll ask
you a question here before we sort of get towards
the end of the show and talk about more some
more collecting stuff. You know, is this is this a
product that you would even think about buying, whether whether
it was like or maybe you know, I've got a
better question. What would the price of this product have
to be for you actually want to buy it?
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what I've been wondering five dollars.
Speaker 6: I'd rather spend my money on cards like this from
the eighties that you know, I can enjoy and maybe
you know the Buddy Ryan process signed, the Steve Jeltz
or once well isn't signed yet. But that's just you know. Now,
if you ask my son, it's a whole different story.
My son just turned seventeen. It's getting a little bit
out of the card market. But if you asked my
son two years ago, he would probably say, like, you know,
forty dollars fifty based on how many loans he could mow.
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think it's
a combination of those two things. The price, and I
think it's the price at eighty five dollars is maybe
a little bit too expensive, Like even if you're trying
to flip, even if you're trying to flip those boxes,
like what then people are going to then spend They're
gonna have to They're gonna have to spend one hundred dollars, Like,
I don't even know where the profit really comes from
if you're trying to if you're really trying to flip
those boxes, like I'm sure the blasters selling at I
think those ones were selling at forty or forty five.
People are probably buying them for almost the same price
as these megaboxes on eBay if I had to guess. So,
I think it's gonna be. You know, it's an interesting experiment. Clearly,
right now, they're still not sold out, so maybe it's worked.
Speaker 1: Maybe it hasn't.
Speaker 2: We'll see once those boxes start getting shipped out, we'll
see if this is a solution that they want to
use going forward.
Speaker 1: Selling stuff directly from tops.
Speaker 2: So you know, as we get here towards kind of
the end of the show, I think I started including more,
you know, collecting aspects to it, not just talking about
the news. You know, so, doctor Beckett, anything recently that
you've picked up that you want to share, you want
to share with the audience, or anything, you know, anything,
any cool experiences you've had, any card shows recently.
Speaker 3: Let me tie that into what you what we were
just talking about, and that is there's a positive tension
between buying singles, like Tony was saying, buying exactly what
you want and buying unopened and blind box, not no
what you're gonna get. And that can be slab packs
that can be an opened product, sealed or not sealed,
but you're getting something you're not sure what you're gonna get,
and so you're paying extra for the chance to maybe
get something great.
Speaker 4: I understand that, but it's.
Speaker 3: In the best interest of the collectors in the hobby
that product me opened because ultimately we are card collector,
and so that tension there. Of the products that are
new need to be opened up, and some of them
are opened up with people that are just lottery chasers.
And then but like I say, for me, so to
tie it back to me, They're going to throw that
other stuff in the dollar box and I'll get a
chance to look at it. So I don't need to
worry about buying paying eighty five bucks to buy forty
two cards that I only really want one or two.
I can take my eighty five bucks and I can
buy eighty five cards, all of which I want, and
I'm better off. But I don't have that opportunity if
people don't open up these boxes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that is one of the things, and.
Speaker 3: It's a good tension it junk wax era. Not enough
was opened, it was put away, and then when everybody
brought it out, Oh there's a lot of cases.
Speaker 1: The right, right right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the things too that
a lot of people are talking about with with maybe
tops trying to thwart some of the reselling, is like
people have to open it for people to buy singles
or for people to buy cards on eBay or card shows,
people have to open the boxes.
Speaker 1: So I think that is also part of it.
Speaker 2: It's like I do think that there is a big
sect of the hobby that just buys packs and holds
onto them or buys boxes. I mean, you know, you
can see behind me. I have like one or two
boxes of sets that you know. I got some tops basketball,
got some NBA prism, got some World Cup prism. It's like,
you know, I like buying blasters, like one or two
blasters and then saving one and then opening one. But
it's like without people opening the packs, you know, that's
people can't there aren't cards to buy. But at the
same time, there are already so many cards that it's
like if they were to stop producing cards, I if
they were to not make any more cards forever, I
think that would still be a market for cards because
there are so many of them already produced, and there's
so many already that are there, you know, Tony kind
of simple similar questions, Doctor Beckett. Here anything you've been
picking up recently? What's uh, what have you been doing
collecting wise?
Speaker 1: As as of recently, my.
Speaker 6: Son and I are in full blown World Cup mode
and I've been trying to lay off the hostess cupcakes
during the World Cups. But you know, you do need
the occasional treat So instead of buying the hostess treats,
I picked up these two Baseball hosted cards and this
Franchie Jackson is also a blank back.
Speaker 5: I don't know why, but it's pretty cool.
Speaker 6: But to get into the soccer, my son wanted to
get a box of World Club, just like eight hundred
dollars a box for World Clup cards. So instead, for
a fraction of that, we bought two letal messy cards
and tours and eight and seven even with his old
jersey jersey numbers on him. So that's the recent pickups
for us, just something we can share. And you know,
even if you're not rooting for Argentina, it's still pretty
cool to like, you know, be able to hold something
in your hand while you're watching the matches.
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah. I mean unfortunately US, they
just were bad. Like I don't know really it was.
It was if I felt very reminiscent of like when
Brazil played Germany in the Brazil World Cup and they
lost seven to one against Germany. It felt very reminiscent
of that. I mean, Poliitic said he had a broken leg.
I don't know that dude was just that dude's injury prone.
I mean I've watched him like he played at Chelsea,
which is my English Premier League team that I watched,
and he basically barely played for two years because he
was hurt the whole time, So I don't know, he's
got to figure that out. But yeah, it was definitely unfortunate,
too unfortunate to watch. And then they had that catastrophic
the third goal that they let up that you know,
the guy the goalie kicked the kick, the kick the field.
Speaker 1: So I was like, whip, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 6: If there was ever a Bad News Bears type of
movie he made for soccer, that last game against Belgium,
that could be the script for it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, which I mean, granted, if we beat Belgium,
I don't I think we have to play Spain in
the next game. I don't think we would have beat Spain,
so it would have been top eight, which I would
have been much happier with Top eight. Top sixteen is
where they go out every single year. And you know,
now we're getting the you know that I've seen a
lot of posts about the players who are younger now
that are probably going to be popular for the twenty
thirty World Cup, and you know, Ronaldo he probably will
keep playing. I know he was not good at all
in this World Cup either. But the next World Cup
is in Portugal. So like the thing, the thought that
he's not going to want to play in the World
Cup in his in his in his country, I.
Speaker 1: Just don't believe that's going to happen. I think he
probably does end up playing. Uh, but yeah, I.
Speaker 2: Mean it was it was a little a little bit unfortunate,
I would say, yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean, Adam America didn't choke that we were not
one of the top eight teams, right, exactly who would
we be supplanting? So and Polistic is a really good player,
but he's not.
Speaker 4: Nobody's calling him the goat.
Speaker 2: You know, right except for that one except for that
one guy on uh that one guy on the the
what what's the attic pickers or something like that where
he's like, yeah, he's the Lebron James of soccer, Like
he was still in a Polistic Chelsea Jersey.
Speaker 1: Oh that was a good one.
Speaker 3: But the Hobbies moved on to Holland and to Bae.
They've all had their moments. Lemna Male hasn't yet, I
don't think, right, so they're not really we can hope
for that, but Polistic, he's not one of the best
players in the world, right, he said, good, he's one
of the players, but he just start there yet and
uh and there's no crime in that.
Speaker 4: And it will see if there's national.
Speaker 3: Will to uh reorganize youth soccer too, to try to
do better in four years.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure for a lot of people
when they saw uh Giorna and uh Stephen Bulholter on
the pitch, they were probably like, well, this is like
a throwback. Is Bullholter and Reina were their fathers, Bulls
was I believe Raina was the captain and Bullholtz was
one of the players.
Speaker 1: I think it was in the eighties.
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not one hundred percent sure, but
I know that they were on the same team and
played together, so it probably was a little bit of
a throwback there. And you know, now I'm seeing with
Bullholzter like he has some offers of overseas. I think
right now he plays in the MLS or forgere what
team he plays for. He might play for Vancouver potentially,
but yeah, I don't know. I will say, as good
as the World Cup has been, it's been a little
bit underwhelming from a card perspective. I think, like I
thought that the Apple TV deal with the MLS was
going to be a big that was gonna be a
big move, and I thought that was gonna be great
for you know, excitement here in the US, and I
just don't think it really hit as hard as I
thought it could. And you know, I don't know, maybe
that's because USA lost, but it it just didn't for years.
This was I thought the World Cup where it's like,
this is where we're going to see the peak of
the soccer market. And I think we have seen over
the past year or so that we've seen a lot
of big cards sell. You know, we've seen a lot
of h Lemina Mal's, We've seen a lot of like
Holland just had uh booned is.
Speaker 1: Look at tops chrome super fractor autograph cell.
Speaker 2: I think that was like a six hundred thousand dollars
card and then you had the non autograph cell for
five hundred thousand. So if if somehow Holland and Norway
can beat England, I think that card I think sells. Again,
I'm pretty sure it tried. I'm pretty sure the person
tries to flip the whatever whichever one sold that was.
I think it was the autograph they probably try and
sell for a million. I wouldn't be surprised, but yeah,
it's definitely, you know, a little unfortunate.
Speaker 7: I would say, Adam, are you saying MLS has grown
a lot, you know, and it's mainly due to Messi,
But right, it's grown a lot.
Speaker 3: You know, if you look the before and after, it's
it's more on the map than it ever was. And
it may be that after this World Cup of some
of these international maybe some up now, maybe they'll be
later in their career, but it's MLS is more legitimate
than it was three years.
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, one step in the right thought it
was going to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought it was gonna be way bigger
in my opinion, Like that's just sort of what I thought.
I I like, you know, we are seeing I think
it's like the inter Miami is trying to get the
goalkeeper from Cape Verde, which I think is really cool.
And I know there have been some big announcements over
the past couple of weeks of players coming to the MLS.
Like you said, you know, Messi obviously being the big one,
you know, he's gonna kind to continue his career. I
guess hopefully I don't see him retiring anytime soon. I mean,
he's basically, you know, he's a he's a major league
player playing in a in a double A league. Almost
like with how good he is and how kind of
where he is in the MLS, he's one of the
best players.
Speaker 1: So you know, I thought it was gonna be much bigger.
Speaker 2: But you know, at the same time, it's like, well,
can you you know, maybe it's my expectations were too high.
I think that's probably kind of what it comes down to.
Speaker 6: In addition to the players coming here to play in
the MLS, I also take it I also like to
take a look at the young kids and their kids,
but they're yeah, pros are us kids going overseas to play.
Speaker 5: Being all alone? You know how many you know that growth?
Speaker 6: I mean when you see our our kids going overseas
to Germany Premier League and those other the Italian league,
that's something telling too, because that used to never really happen,
not not to what we're seeing now. So you know,
there's a local kid put Off the kid Aaronson, and
he and he made the Olympic team. He's also in
a pretty good league in Europe. So once we get
more of of those, I think we're you know, World
SEPP soccer getting a lot more popular, right.
Speaker 2: I think, like there's another player I think his name
is Cavin Sylvia, either Sylvia or.
Speaker 1: Silva Sullivan sorry Sullivan.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and also Arenson both of those.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, both of those guys are yeah, definitely
exciting players to watch here in the here in the
MLS or yeah, in the MLS. And I think the
Apple TV deal, they've kind of switched it around where
they're going to be putting more games not on Apple TV,
So I think that will that will be good because
then you're going to have people maybe get excited. And
I mean I would love to see a combination with
like their is the USL, which is like a the
basically the B League here in the US. I'd love
to see some combination with those two leagues. I don't
think we'll ever see it, just because because of the
way the US sports are kind of formulated, the owners
don't want to they don't want a regulation style league unfortunately.
Speaker 1: But what do you I mean, what do you gon
do I guess.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, you have relegation and you better be on
your you better finish the season strong, right.
Speaker 2: I think if they were to do that, that would
be I think that would be a great combination for
the MLS here realistically, like if they were to do
some sort of regulation and promotion with the USL, Like
it's already a league that's kind of running and it's
teams that are popular. Like there's a team in in
Rhode Island that I'm like, I'm actually interested in maybe
potentially going to some of those games because I'm like,
the stadium looks good, the team, the team has cool colors,
and there's you know, there's sons of good teams in
that in that league. So it'll be you know, I
don't know, we'll see maybe you know, maybe Tops does
a USL product.
Speaker 1: Soon, and I don't know, I think that would be cool.
Speaker 3: But yeah, Mike Petty's comment, do we think soccer either
invented flopping or perfected flopping?
Speaker 1: Perfected?
Speaker 2: I mean with only one ref on the field, it's
like that's you know, every other sport there's multiple refs
who were able to you know, be like that. I
saw that that guy didn't get touch, he didn't, But
with one ref, it's like he's looking at the ball obviously,
but then he has to kind of keep his head
on a swivel. It's like, you know, it's stuff when
you're when you're fifteen feet away from somebody and somebody
goes down, It's like, well, what what did you expect?
Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I think that's a good question.
Speaker 6: But with the flopping, if you complain about flopping in soccer,
just look at today's NBA.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, yeah, it's very similar.
Speaker 6: It's yeah, I mean you got Lebron James flopping all
over the place, just like a goldfish out of water.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and Sga is kind of in a similar
boat there with you know, he the style is not
I don't know, it's you know, it's a they won
a championship. But I think, you know, the same with
what happened with the Celtics. Here, we're we're going into
an era where the second Apron his team's teams were
willing to go into the second apriln one time win
a championship, but they're gonna be out of there soon.
Like that's why the Celtics have to trade, you know,
that's why they have to trade Jayalen Brown. I think
OKAC is probably gonna go through a similar similar boat
here where they're gonna have to trade some people away.
They're gonna be paying like a crazy penalty for the
you know, the second captain they've got. Yeah, so I
guess we're up here on the hour pretty much coming
up at the end of the show. Here, thank you
to everybody in the chat thinking everybody shout out to
everybody dropping their locations. I really appreciate that. That was
cool to see again all over the all of the country.
We're nation nationwide here on on Hobby Hotline. You know,
we'll go around the horn one more time, you know,
give yourself a shout out. What do you got going on?
All that kind of stuff. Doctor j will start with you,
you know, let everybody know where they can find you.
Anything you're looking to promote here as we're wrapping up
the show.
Speaker 3: Well, I already answered that'll be looking to see people
at the at the Dallas show and at the National
that it's going to be great. And Adam, it took
you an hour to mention Jalen.
Speaker 1: Brown, I'm still morning, I'm still boring.
Speaker 3: Great job as usual.
Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Appreciate it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm still that trade. Just don't even look
doctor Becka. I've talked to my friends about this trade
for at length for now. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right exactly, you know. Yeah, Tony, Tony, quick,
get me at it, get me out of here.
Speaker 6: Uh just uh, National coming up. I'll be uh, I'll
be doing an interview on the on the main stage.
I believe it's gonna be Thursday at four pm. I'll
be interviewing Stacy Wall. He's a he's a TV director
and one of his past works he created the Little
Little Penny Hardaway commercials back in the nineties.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 6: And he's also a painter and an excellent collector, even
better fellow. So I'll be Thursday at four o'clock on
the main stage.
Speaker 1: Nice.
Speaker 4: Nice.
Speaker 2: Yeah, We've got National coming up, got Fanatics fest. I
don't think I'm going to Fanatics, fess. I'll be at
the National. So that's definitely gonna be very exciting. I've
been putting out my National tips on on Instagram and
TikTok if you want to, you know, get up to
date with some of that stuff. I think I've been
doing it since the start of July, so you know,
got a lot of tips coming as we go through
the rest of this month leading up to the National,
So I'm definitely excited to put put out some of
that content. Uh, you know, as I usually say, make
sure as you're you know, if you are somebody who
has the knowledge and you were able to help a
new collector in the industry, if they have questions, you know,
spend the time, spend a couple extra minutes, help them
out the I'm sure they'll be greatly appreciated. All the
people who helped me throughout my journey I've been greatly appreciative,
appreciative of. We'll be back here on the four Collectors
YouTube channel next week. I believe we will also be
at the National doing a show on the statement.
Speaker 1: I hope we can.
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can confirmed the date and
time yet or I don't. I don't know if we've
announced it. I think we might have confirmed. I don't
know if we've announced it yet. But yeah, definitely definitely
excited for that. Make sure you come back here, Like
I said, four Collector's YouTube channel next Saturday. We would
really appreciate it. Thank you everybody liking subscribe. I guess
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