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Speaker 1: What's up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Hobby Hotline. This is episode three five.

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I am here with Tony aka TJ Online and Doctor

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Beckett to phenomenal co host to start your Saturday. Hopefully,

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if you're watching on any of the screens. I know

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one of the hobby shops, it puts us on the screens. Hope,

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if you're watching there or any anywhere you're watching online,

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and that's always one of my first call outs. I'm

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interested to see where everybody's watching the show from. So

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if you want to drop that in the chat, that

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would be greatly appreciated. Doctor Beckett, how has your week

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been going, what you've been up to, you know, just

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you know, just tell us how your week's been.

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Speaker 3: The calm before the storm. We've got the This is

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the greatest month in sports card history for card shows.

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If we've got next weekend, I'm going to the Dallas show,

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but I could have been going to the West Coast

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show that my friend Rob Veris started, or fan Fest

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or the fanatics Fest, and then the National I'm really

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excited about that.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be the biggest win ever.

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Speaker 3: So this is the greatest month in sports card show history.

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So call before the storm Adam.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yep.

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Speaker 2: That's right, Tony aka TJ Online. How are you doing

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today as well?

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Speaker 5: Doing well?

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Speaker 6: Blew my national budget for a third consecutive year before

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the National song, you know, looking in the couch cushions,

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trying to find a little bit of change.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep. Yeah, definitely, definitely exciting.

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Speaker 2: I don't think we're going to touch as much on

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the national and fanatics fest on this show. I think

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the next couple of weeks leading up to it, they're

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going to talk a little bit more. I think we're

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I mean we're still like three weeks out, so I'm

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sure you know you can find national content. We are

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going to be actually starting the show with I think

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one of the bigger stories we've seen here, in one

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of the bigger cards that we've seen, I would say

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it's one of the most historic cards in the history

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of in the history of the industry. There is a restored,

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restored t to six a Honus Wagner. Tony, I'll kick

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it to you here first, kind of let the audience

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know sort of what has happened here with this card

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and maybe the low down of the story.

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Speaker 6: Sure, so this card, to my knowledge, originated publicly in

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nineteen seventy six. It was sold a couple of dollars

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in a was bull Bar card shop, picked for a

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dollar or two, and it sold publicly in the.

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Speaker 5: Card shop for about ten dollars.

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Speaker 6: I believe that Rob life'sym bought it, and then it

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surfaced it around again.

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Speaker 5: In nineteen ninety six.

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Speaker 6: It sold for twelve thousand, six hundred dollars in an

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RIA auction, and I believe it was purchased by the

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person who had it restored. Took about a two year

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job and then it then it was sold to Keith

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Keith Oberman in the current state as you see here,

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but it was raw. Now it's up for sale. And

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what you're looking at now is if you go to

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Speaker 1: Picture, with which one were you looking for?

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Speaker 6: I put them in order. There's the okay, so it's fine.

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I just had pictures. So this is the nineteen ninety

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six auction where you see it's and this is this

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was archived by Bob by the late Great Bob Flemkey,

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and he wrote down.

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Speaker 5: Where it's you know who sold it for a much.

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Speaker 6: Here we got it sold us for six ninety six,

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and on another page it's about twelve thousand and change.

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If you go to the next slide, give it folks

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a little bit of history about it. Here, here's the

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back of the card, how it looks today. Next picture,

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here's the original nineteen seventy six sale.

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Speaker 5: I know it's kind of hard to see here.

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Speaker 6: If you DM me on Instagram, just search for my

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name and you'll and I'll send you a nice copy

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of it. And I believe this is also on level

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of the game's website too, which is the auction house

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for this particular card.

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Speaker 5: Right next one. You can keep going.

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Speaker 2: That was the image of the card there, all right,

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Al and his love of the game team has They

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have a really nice video of this picture.

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Speaker 6: This is just a screenshot where they show you how

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the card looks today Rush, just how it looked back

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when it was the die cut Wagner.

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Speaker 5: And this here is an overlay.

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Speaker 6: So if you kind of like blow it up in

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your mind or just take a or just take a

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screenshot here, you can trace your hand visually about where

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the donor card, which was another T two O six

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with this exact background, was merged and restored with this

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die cut Wagoner, and you can see around to our

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right part of his face, you know, his left. You

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can see where the portion of the card that was

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missing around the ear and where they restored it, along

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Speaker 5: Next image.

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Speaker 1: I'm sorry I had it.

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Speaker 2: I was getting it ready and then I accidentally clicked

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Speaker 6: Here it is, and here is what the back looks

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like before it was restored. And the person who did

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the restoration I believe was profiled at a nineteen ninety

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six issue of Vintage Collector Baseball Cards. So I have

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a copy of that magazine upstairs. I got screenshots of

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that article if anyone wants a copy of it too.

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And this is the front of it, so you can

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see the card is there except for three of the

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four boarders and the background. So it's not like you're,

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you know, getting a car that's cut in half, or

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getting a car that's really messed up to the point

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where it needs complete restoration with a lot of paint

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and everything. That's not like the previous two Wagoners that's

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been sold by SCP had one and Mile High sold the.

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Speaker 5: Last one twice.

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Speaker 6: And this is just a top of the auction catalog

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back from nineteen ninety six. I wish I can have

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that Bronco on the Jersky card that sold for that price.

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Speaker 2: Then I think that's back, and then I think there's

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one more, one more.

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Speaker 6: And uh, doctor Jim probably has a lot on this

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topic in general. But this is a picture that Keith

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Oberman posted on Twitter and not and the important the

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important card to me is not so much the one

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that he's holding in his hand, but that's the one

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that we're talking about today.

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Speaker 5: It's getting a lot of media attention.

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Speaker 6: But the one in back of that, that's the partial

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cut strip and it's a proof. It's a T two

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o six proof that supposedly, uh honest Wagner owned that

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the American Tobacco Company sent him to try to get

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his approval to it, and even has the cut lines

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and everything, and uh, that's a that's the only T

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two o six honest Wagner proof.

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Speaker 4: That I'm aware of.

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Speaker 6: But look at that piece, and I believe that's one

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of the only few things that Ken Golden deeply regrets

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selling to the Stay because he said that publicly.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, definitely, the the T six or the proof

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in the background, there are just the.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, proof of Genet.

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Speaker 6: Yeah you got more to Kai Brown, you have c

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, I mean it's such a crazy it's an

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insane set really, like I mean, obviously one of you know,

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the I think one of the original sets really in

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the sports card industry. Uh you know, doctor Beckett, you

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were telling us before the show. I think you were

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talking about this card that you potentially had an opportunity to.

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Speaker 1: Acquire one of these cars.

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Speaker 3: Is that?

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Speaker 1: Where were you talking about this card or a different card?

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Speaker 4: Neither one.

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Speaker 3: But first of all, you know we're showing the card

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that Keith is holding now is what it looks like now,

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people you know, it's a partial card, but it's been

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restored amazingly. And just to kind of correct one thing,

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Ken Golden I don't think regrets selling anything because it

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gives him the opportunity to sell it again, because somehow

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he gets a lot of repeat business, some boomerang business.

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going to have him on speed dial so he'll get

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a second, second bite at the apple. And that's just

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a magnificent strip of five and this, this restored card

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looks great, but remember it came from that that really

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amateurishly trimmed outlined card. So the but the restorers back

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in the day, the stayed underground for the most part,

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but they were professional restorers and this is not this

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was not This was a very high level restoration job.

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the seventies. I don't know about the sixties, but I

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know there were some in the seventies. Danny Ektis, my

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business partner at the time, was aware of people that

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were doing that stuff, but they were kind of underground.

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fabulous work, almost undetectable. I don't think it was undetectable,

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very close to undetached. So this is a magnificent restoration shop.

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but I think this is going to go for a

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big number because of the Oberman pedigree. The restoration is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean, it's it's pretty incredible how they

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were able to kind of create a card from a

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piece of the card. Obviously, and I think It's kind

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of one of the cool things about cards from you know,

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that era and just you know, older cards in general.

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the cards were not like meant to be collectibles, Like

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they were not kept in good conditions. So it's like

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that's when you find those those vintage cards that are

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in good condition, that's why you see them have such

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a huge price tag. And I mean this one obviously

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had more, you know, obviously had a lot of work

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done to it, but it's still such a such a

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unique piece because it's taking what was an original piece

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of a card that you know, that most people know of.

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Speaker 1: There's probably what you know, TJ. There's probably Tony.

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Speaker 2: There's probably only what like two hundred of these, I

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you know, I'm not sure the exact number, but maybe yeah,

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maybe ninety.

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Speaker 3: Yeah this is two cards. Yeah, it sandwich together. They're

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not both Wagoners. But but no, it's it's like I

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said back in the day, the highest level professional restorers

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that are working on not the Mona Lisa, but work

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on very high level museum quality stuff. They did not advertise.

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And I don't know if you had to swear to secrecy,

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but you were going to tell people that you restored cards.

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But but this is the way to go to declare it.

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This is what happened to give the pedigree. And I

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think that adds value because it's not a mystery of

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hey was this done under the table. Now we can

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track the provenance, we can track the history of this

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card and how it was put together into something that

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I think, like Tony was saying, this looks way better

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than the previous Wagners that have been out there for

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sale that sold for big bucks and also at least

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one well I don't know one of them was authentic,

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but this is a better authentic.

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Speaker 5: The last two I see.

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Speaker 6: Sep sold one for one point one million dollars in

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twenty twenty one, and then Miles Hyde sold two of

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the same cards, the last one being in April twenty

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twenty five that sold for almost two million dollars exactly.

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and a lot of painting had to be done to

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kind of match the card what was left of the

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of the card to what you see today. And then

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we have the second card. I believe PSA ever graded,

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which has a zero zero zero zero ends in two.

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that sold the last time it's sold for four hundred

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and four hundred and seventy six thousand dollars in February

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twenty twenty two. I guess you're looking at somewhere between that.

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Speaker 1: Right, but y spices, Yeah, go for it.

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Speaker 4: Sorry.

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Speaker 6: I was gonna say, what's what's nice about this, and

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I'm sure that you and doctor Jim will also agree,

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is it's openly labeled as restored. It's not even like

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says all, it's just not alter, just restored.

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Speaker 5: And then SGC has a nice right up on Love

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of the Game.

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Speaker 6: Does Oberman wrote an article on it again, and everything's

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open about it, even that before, during, and after pictures

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of it toe and I think that's really cool.

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Speaker 1: Right.

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Speaker 3: The other thing, the other thing that might kick in

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here is that it looks a little bit different as well, Yes,

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because of the slight difference in the color background, and

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so what's that doesn't look exactly like the others. I

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think it's going to be a market distinction. Again, there's

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no hiding this.

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Speaker 4: This is what was done.

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Speaker 3: And I think it's a beautiful looking card and went

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from an ugly card to a beautiful card.

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Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, And I mean I think you know,

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foul Balls in the chat kind of saying talking about

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this might be a scam and that it's a fake.

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And I mean, I think there's a little bit of

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a distinction here because we all know the store, we

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all know it's been restored. It's not like they're trying

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to sell it as like an authentic as a fully

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authentic version of the Wagner like we we know, and

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anybody buying this, like you know, I try to give

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people the benefit of the doubt when it comes to

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how much research they're doing if you're buying something, but

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if you're going to buy this card, you know what

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you're buying. Like, I don't think anybody has the money

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to afford something like this and doesn't know that they're

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buying a restored version of the card.

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Speaker 1: Is it a fake?

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Speaker 3: Is it?

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Speaker 1: You know? I think restored and altered.

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Speaker 2: I think it is much different because we know, like

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you said, there's only about ninety nine of them in existence,

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and you know each one is going to have different

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parts about it that make it unique, like not every

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you know, it's not like a million cards that are

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coming out of packs nowadays that are all you know,

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Luca Rookie, that's all all the same, It's all the

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exact same card.

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Speaker 1: Like this is a card that.

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Speaker 2: Has ninety nine copies probably in existence, and I would

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you know, I would say probably about ninety to ninety

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five of them are all going to be in different condition,

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which I think makes this card so unique. And MOOKI

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actually had a good question in the chat for you,

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doctor Beckett that I want to ask, So he was asking,

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what are your what are your thoughts towards card restorations

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at a time where card can be repaired?

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Speaker 1: Is it similar different?

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Speaker 2: I mean I kind of went over that a little bit,

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I think with this card specifically, but I'm interested to

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hear you know, your thoughts on kind of the restoration

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of this card and sort of that stuff in general.

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Speaker 3: That's that take up the rest of the time. MOOKI, oh,

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episode on that. It's it's but just to address the

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scam part of restoration and those kind of things where

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in the chain of custody was a crime committed where

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there was deception committed.

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Speaker 4: I don't see it, Okay, So to me.

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Speaker 3: A scam has to either be illegal or deceptive. And

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so I'm not going to use the scam word here.

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I'm going to use marketing. You know, this is marketing.

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This is tell it like it is. They want to

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make sure that whoever gets this card understands the full story.

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And it's a great story. Right, It's a great story.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, yeah, I just yes.

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Speaker 4: And it would be a scam if you tried to

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slide it by somebody.

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Speaker 2: Right, if this was you know, if they restored it

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and somehow they were trying to sell it off as

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an authentic, authentic wagoner, obviously, I you know, I think

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I think in this scenario to the restoration of the card,

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you know, you're restoring a card that there's only ninety

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nine of them, ninety nine of them in existence.

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Speaker 1: It's like, you know, it's.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if they did it, Like I know,

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Golden also sold one of the copies of the Deculary

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Declaration of Independence, which I guess I kind of learned

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that there were multiple copies from them selling them because

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I'm like, it's not the one that it's not the

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National Treasures version that they're trying to steal in the movie.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, so I just.

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Speaker 7: Would be a scam, right, yeah, right, right, the movie

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probably the original.

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Speaker 2: Right right, Sorry, I had one other collect Yeah, Orlando

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saying there's probably about sixty. I mean it's you know,

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I think it's the number who Depending on who you ask,

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it might be different potentially, but yeah, it's I don't know,

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I don't I don't think it's you know, necessarily, I

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don't think it's a scam. I think they you know,

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it's a restored copy of one. It's a restored copy

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of something where there's only whatever ninety nine or one

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hundred of.

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Speaker 1: Them in existence.

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Speaker 2: I guess it's kind of uh, you know, who knows

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who knows, and the person's buying it and should know

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what they're buying.

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Speaker 1: That's the other thing.

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Speaker 3: There's a little more knowledge about who has them. Back

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in the very early day in the seventies, and these

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card shows, the really big card shows were all the

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major We'd go around and I'd be a listener more.

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But these guys older than me would talk about who

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had the Wagner and where they were, and at that

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point they could they could identify forty five or fifty,

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and the hobby was close knit in those days, so

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they know who had the wagoners. Since that time, every

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two or three years, another Wagner has been discovered two

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or three or four or five years. I mean sometimes

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you go, well, okay, so now the perception is, like

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Orlando says, it's really a pretty strong perception that it's

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around sixty. Maybe it's a little bit more than that,

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but I think the story is better when you say,

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there's really a thought that the population is in the sixties,

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and then it's not nebulous and we may find another

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one every so often, but how many more are going

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to be out there after we've been looking.

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Speaker 4: For one hundred and some years, right exactly. My point

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is it's a tighter n.

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Speaker 3: Number than what people think based on my fifty plus

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years in the hobby of researching these things. So it's

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that makes it a great quest.

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Speaker 1: Right totally.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, And you know we're you know, I I

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guess any you know, Tony, any last thoughts here on

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this topic before we move on to you know, I

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think this was a pretty good week of hobby news

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stories that we're going to cover here.

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Speaker 1: And I think so, Tony. Any last thoughts here on this, Wagner, just.

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Speaker 6: What doctor Jim said about the pop Yeah, that's definitely accurate.

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Speaker 5: He would know more than anyone.

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Speaker 6: And I also like the fact that the donor card

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for the background was the yellowish fading. I forget the

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name of the player, but that will always make this

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card stand out and no one could ever try to

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pass it off, try to get slabbed again, you know,

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even though I don't think it would ever happen into

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a you know, ps A five or six. I mean,

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it's not like that, and it's not like any of

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the other cards that are currently to have a number

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grade that we think may have been altered in some way.

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Speaker 5: This is clearly open.

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Speaker 6: Transparent, and I think that's the really cool story about

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this and it's different.

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Speaker 2: Right yep, yeah, I totally agree. And then yeah, doctor Beckett,

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any last thoughts here before we move on?

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Speaker 3: No, but I mean, thank you to Keith for giving

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us a chance to talk about this and give somebody

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else a chance to own a wagoner with a great story.

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Speaker 1: Right yeah, yeah, absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Now the next story we're going to talk about not

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you know, obviously cards that are not as old, but

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cards that are maybe just as historic. It was announced

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this week that Michael Jordan and Upper Deck have extended

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their partnership. So they had Michael Jordan had an exclusive

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partnership with Upper Deck since nineteen ninety one, signing for

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autographs and memorabilia and stuff along those lines. So along

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with the announcement that he was going to be extending

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that partnership, he all the Upper Deck also announced that

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this year in good Win champions there are going to

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be pack redemptions for the nineteen eighty six fleeer basketball

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packs that are signed by Michael Jordan himself. And I

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think one of the cool things that they did. Here,

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I'm trying to find it on the screen. I know

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it's number twelve. I think it's this one right here

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he put Actually it actually is a from what I understand,

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it is a pack that has a Michael Jordan in

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it and he signed it, you know, rookie pack. Why

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he didn't do twenty three of twenty three. Maybe twelve

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was his I think twelve was his Olympic number. Maybe

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that's maybe that's why they did twelve of twenty three.

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But one of the packs actually has a Jordan in it,

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and there are going to be redemptions. I believe that

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there were also going to be redemptions for signed Jordan boxes,

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which is, you know, another cool thing that Upper Deck

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is adding to good Win Champions. Unfortunately, the price of

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the good Win Champions box have jump pretty significantly since

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its announcement. So you know, I'll kick it to you

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to here Tony. First, what were your thoughts on, uh,

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the announcement that that they came out with, and what

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are your thoughts on just this in general?

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Speaker 6: I don't want to call Upper Deck a little guy

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because I grew up around when they were big when

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I was thirteen, But in this particular case, I'm glad

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that Jordan's stayed with Upper Deck. They just extended the contract.

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Apparently he has a lot more input about what his

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autograph goes on, what type of products, uh, And they

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want to, I guess, go for the nostalgia part of it,

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where get more items from the hobby and maybe have

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him autograph it. And this eighty six flare box which

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would be auctioned off on eBay. Uh, ten percent of

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the proceeds are going to go to I forget the foundation,

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but they said that. So the so eBay is going

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to auction off though box which is one on one

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and you know these redemption packs. I like how they

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numbered one to twenty three and signed a heating number

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but he signed.

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Speaker 5: I think it's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, doctor Becket, how about how about you? What were

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your thoughts on this? The news story that came out

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this week?

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Speaker 4: Well, that was terrific. I mean all this stuff.

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Speaker 3: I mean that Upper Deck's doing their part in trying

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to tenex the hobby. I mean, who doesn't want to

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have a chance that a Michael Jordan card or autograph

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or especially rookie or the rookie sticker. So this is,

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this is, this is going to be terrific. This, this

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story has legs. What people I think are missing is

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the fact that it's announced as Michael becoming a legacy partner.

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Speaker 4: And I emphasise partner.

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Speaker 3: I mean I don't know that they he doesn't need

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a lot of money, but I think this is bringing

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him into even a closer relationship with Upper Deck. Perhaps

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he's participating in on an equity basis for this product

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or other things that he's doing that he's getting a

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and some creative opportunity to do some fun things. You know,

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his goatness is being challenged, and so this is an

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opportunity for him to say, hey, I'm still really I'm

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still doing cool stuff. You've got to Chae because his

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autographs are really tough, are really tough. Now, the whole

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thing here is that his autographs. If I got one

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of these, I'm going to open the pack because there's

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like a one in twelve chance of getting a Jordan

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in that pack in any pact, okay, and there's a

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one in twelve chance of getting the sticker of Jordan.

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So you just there's no way I would not open

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this very carefully. And they truly are wax packs, so

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you can you can, you know, unseal them and unfold

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them and flatten them out and careful with it and

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get it, get the autographed wrapper laid out. But I

478
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,079
think there's here's the negative about this is that I

479
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:48,240
think from back in the day, from forty years ago,

480
00:23:49,079 --> 00:23:54,279
there was a systematic distribution of these cards where you

481
00:23:54,519 --> 00:23:58,240
just peek at the first card that on the bottom

482
00:23:58,519 --> 00:24:01,200
or whatever. If you could just get an idea of

483
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,680
one card, you would have an idea of the sequence, right,

484
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:07,960
And yeah, Nicole Jordan was in the pack, right, So

485
00:24:08,359 --> 00:24:12,119
that I don't like. But on the other hand, there's

486
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:14,079
gonna be a couple of Jordan's in there, and there's

487
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,400
gonna be a couple of Jordan's stickers in there, right,

488
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,680
and they they're packed fresh, right, they might wind up

489
00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:23,200
being a black label ten.

490
00:24:23,079 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 1: Who knows, right, right? Yeah? I think I.

491
00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:30,720
Speaker 3: Could not open a pack if I got it a

492
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:32,079
collector of cards, not.

493
00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:35,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, yeah, I think it was the Bill Lamber

494
00:24:35,319 --> 00:24:37,480
if you pulled. If you open the pack and the

495
00:24:37,480 --> 00:24:39,920
first card is a Bill Lamb beer, I'm pretty or

496
00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,359
I think that's how you pronounce his name. I believe

497
00:24:42,440 --> 00:24:45,440
that has the Jordan, I know, the coalition. I think

498
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:47,519
an interesting thing here, I think is that upper deck

499
00:24:47,599 --> 00:24:49,519
is kind of confirming that that is the case, Like

500
00:24:49,559 --> 00:24:51,920
because by Jordan's signing one of the packs, you know,

501
00:24:52,000 --> 00:24:55,519
rookie pack, I would imagine that would mean that they

502
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,000
know that there's going to be a Jordan within the pack.

503
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:00,880
But you know, the stickers, I don't know if that's

504
00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:02,799
that would be the sticker, okay.

505
00:25:02,640 --> 00:25:04,960
Speaker 5: Right, because you can see him on the back of

506
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:05,640
the pack.

507
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 2: Right right, right, Yeah, And I guess I would be

508
00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:11,400
interested to know who came up with the idea first,

509
00:25:11,400 --> 00:25:14,480
because this year we've seen a lot of like nostalgia

510
00:25:14,559 --> 00:25:17,920
redemptions with you know, Tops did the Mickey Mantle redemption

511
00:25:18,599 --> 00:25:20,400
and now we have you know, I nineteen eighty six

512
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,119
Fleeer redemption. So I would be interested if this was

513
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:26,319
like one like maybe a consulting company suggested it to

514
00:25:26,319 --> 00:25:28,039
both Tops and Upper Deck, or if this was an

515
00:25:28,079 --> 00:25:31,240
idea you know that came out came to fruition because

516
00:25:31,279 --> 00:25:34,480
of what Tops did, uh with their Mickey Mantal redemption,

517
00:25:34,519 --> 00:25:37,880
because that you know, that card, the redemption from that

518
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,599
one sold I believe were over a hundred out one

519
00:25:40,680 --> 00:25:43,680
hundred thousand dollars more than previous comps. It was a

520
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:46,799
PSA five point five. The redemption sold through Golden which

521
00:25:46,880 --> 00:25:50,640
gets crazy, you know, he's all over everything that sells nowadays.

522
00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,640
But uh, the five point five redemption sold for two

523
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,000
hundred and ninety three when I believe the other sales

524
00:25:57,079 --> 00:26:00,240
of PSA five point fives of the Mickey Mantle were

525
00:26:00,279 --> 00:26:04,200
like in the one thirty one forty range. So you know, again,

526
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,599
I don't know if this is coming. If Arberdeck came

527
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,200
up with this idea, because of what they did with

528
00:26:09,559 --> 00:26:11,519
because of what Tops did, or if this was just

529
00:26:11,559 --> 00:26:13,960
something that you know, it's a coincidence that both companies

530
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:18,279
are doing this type of you know, redemption within both

531
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:20,680
both of their big products. I think this year, which

532
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:21,920
I think is definitely a cool thing.

533
00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:27,039
Speaker 3: Guys, upper Deck is probably pitching Michael Jordan. Every year

534
00:26:27,799 --> 00:26:31,319
you get some more autographs from him. The interesting thing

535
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,960
about this is not very It doesn't dilute the market

536
00:26:35,039 --> 00:26:37,799
as badly as some of the other ideas that they

537
00:26:37,839 --> 00:26:40,119
come up with. If they just had if they did

538
00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:44,240
you know, serial number to one thousand autographs of Jordan,

539
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:48,839
that's bad. But this is autographing the wrapper. It's it's

540
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,119
it's it's just there's.

541
00:26:49,960 --> 00:26:52,160
Speaker 4: A lot to like about this. Who had the idea.

542
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:54,720
Speaker 3: There's a lot of smart people at upper Deck. There's

543
00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:56,599
a lot of smart people at every one of these

544
00:26:56,599 --> 00:26:59,680
card companies. They're creatively doing things. But like I said,

545
00:27:00,079 --> 00:27:04,200
the word partner, I think he's critical. Michael Jordan had

546
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:07,640
to personally embrace this and say yes, I want to

547
00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:10,519
do this, and and I'm sure he had some creative

548
00:27:10,559 --> 00:27:13,440
input because he didn't want to have his like I said,

549
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,799
his goats. He wants to be the goat. He is

550
00:27:16,839 --> 00:27:21,200
the goat, right LBJ is going to be messing around

551
00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:25,799
this next year doing interesting things that are pretty unprecedented

552
00:27:25,839 --> 00:27:33,279
for a player of his age, although Kareem finished pretty

553
00:27:33,279 --> 00:27:38,279
well too, but you know, Michael's maybe feeling the footsteps.

554
00:27:38,319 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, And I mean I guess too.

555
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 2: I would be interested, like the legacy partner aspect of this,

556
00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:47,160
you know deal that's going on, I would be interested

557
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,240
to know, like, like what, because I would be interested

558
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:51,799
to know what input Michael.

559
00:27:51,599 --> 00:27:52,359
Speaker 1: Is going to have.

560
00:27:52,799 --> 00:27:55,039
Speaker 2: I called them Michael, like I know him personally, Michael Jordan,

561
00:27:56,759 --> 00:27:59,039
what input he's going to have into some sort of

562
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:02,400
sports card related products going forward, because if you look

563
00:28:02,440 --> 00:28:05,880
at the only industry that's really the closest industry to

564
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:08,440
sports cards really is kind of sneakers. I think like

565
00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:10,720
the buying and selling of the sneaker market is pretty

566
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,720
close to like how the cards work. So I'd be

567
00:28:13,759 --> 00:28:17,200
interested from Jordan's input of maybe some things that have

568
00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,519
happened in the sneaker industry with his name and his

569
00:28:20,559 --> 00:28:23,240
brand being one of the biggest in that industry, if

570
00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:25,880
if he has any suggestions of how we can make

571
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:28,359
this industry better or kind of you know, add some

572
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:30,480
stuff that we don't really know of and or stuff

573
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:32,559
that maybe you know, because we're so into sports cards,

574
00:28:32,599 --> 00:28:34,400
we didn't think of that we could add this. So

575
00:28:34,640 --> 00:28:36,960
I think it's I definitely think it's a cool, you know,

576
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,599
a cool addition to Goodwin champions Like I said, it's

577
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:43,240
it's one of the more anticipated products every year already,

578
00:28:43,599 --> 00:28:46,799
so it's definitely, you know, it's adding to the excitement

579
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:48,680
I think of that of that product.

580
00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 1: Just in general.

581
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:53,559
Speaker 3: I agree Michael Geordan want to stuff that's interesting that

582
00:28:53,799 --> 00:28:57,839
hasn't been done before, and he I think he's embraced

583
00:28:57,880 --> 00:28:59,160
this because it wasn't.

584
00:28:58,960 --> 00:29:02,079
Speaker 4: A me too copycat thing. Hey, fanatics is doing this.

585
00:29:02,119 --> 00:29:03,279
We're going to do this.

586
00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:06,720
Speaker 3: This is pretty much an original idea and it will

587
00:29:06,799 --> 00:29:10,480
be well executed and I think it's great. So Michael,

588
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,559
again the partner, is saying, yeah, I want to do this.

589
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:16,640
I mean back, you know, twenty years ago you had

590
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,519
to it was tough to get players to cooperate with anything.

591
00:29:19,799 --> 00:29:22,440
And now Michael Jordan's got a seat at the table.

592
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:24,559
He's saying, if I'm going to do it, this is

593
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,359
why I'd like to do it. Here's what we had

594
00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:29,400
in mind, Here's what I'd like to do. It sounds,

595
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:34,720
it sounds terrific, and if bodes well for the ongoing relationship,

596
00:29:35,079 --> 00:29:37,880
that they'll be again. Without diluting it too much, that

597
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,119
Upper deckt this is their strongest hold card, you know,

598
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,000
for the value of their companies. They have Michael Jordan

599
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:49,039
on speed dial, and Michael Jordan's saying, yes, I'm answering

600
00:29:49,079 --> 00:29:52,240
the call. I'm here for you, Here's what I'd like

601
00:29:52,319 --> 00:29:52,599
to do.

602
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,440
Speaker 4: What do you think?

603
00:29:53,759 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 3: And almost no matter what Michael Jordan says, the Upper

604
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,839
Day said, you bet, Michael, you want to do that?

605
00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,119
We want as much as you'll give us within reason.

606
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,400
Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, Tony, I know you had you had something

607
00:30:05,400 --> 00:30:06,759
to say there as well, going.

608
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:08,720
Speaker 5: Yes, sir, but that I'll just keep it quick.

609
00:30:08,799 --> 00:30:12,039
Speaker 6: So if you are lucky enough to get one of these,

610
00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:14,759
just look for the Clark Tellog. If you get to

611
00:30:14,839 --> 00:30:17,000
Clark Tellog, then you're going to get an MJ in

612
00:30:17,079 --> 00:30:21,559
the back. I read an article that the Sports Business

613
00:30:21,599 --> 00:30:24,519
Journal put out and they just said, basically, Jordan's going

614
00:30:24,559 --> 00:30:28,319
to have much more influence over which historical moments will

615
00:30:28,319 --> 00:30:33,000
be celebrated, which objects he will sign or not how

616
00:30:33,079 --> 00:30:37,400
limited additions will be handled and the inscriptions used. And

617
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,640
finally they said he's going to have more input about

618
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,200
the type of memorabilia. So right now up Productor does

619
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:47,240
not have the NBA license. They're only putting out college

620
00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:49,599
cards of mj Or. You know, I don't even think

621
00:30:49,599 --> 00:30:52,480
they put out cards where the bulls logos uh not,

622
00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:56,519
you know, where it's painted over. So doing things like

623
00:30:56,559 --> 00:30:59,200
this where they can get things that were done in

624
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:02,000
the past, you know, which were made in the past,

625
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:03,839
and get him to sign it, I think it's a

626
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:08,599
wonderful way to pay you know, tribute to the greatest

627
00:31:08,599 --> 00:31:12,880
baseball player of all time next to Will Right in my.

628
00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:17,519
Speaker 2: Opinion, Yeah, I think it's it's and I mean, I

629
00:31:17,559 --> 00:31:20,119
guess another piece of this story that I think is interesting.

630
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:22,400
As you know, there was a car one of the

631
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,039
PSA tens for Jordan. I think it sold for three

632
00:31:25,119 --> 00:31:28,680
hundred and ninety k the like last week. It was

633
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:30,400
the highest sale of a PSA. Yeah, it was the

634
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:33,119
highest sale of a PSA ten in five years. So

635
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:36,119
you know, we've seen signed Jordan's go for more. We've

636
00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,759
seen Jordan PSA tens with one of the NBA stickers

637
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:43,240
sell for you know, more than that, but it is

638
00:31:43,359 --> 00:31:46,319
one of the base versions of the PSA tens. It

639
00:31:46,359 --> 00:31:48,599
was the highest it's sold in five years. And I

640
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:51,279
think it's one of the more iconic cards in the hobby.

641
00:31:51,319 --> 00:31:53,839
With only three I think it's three hundred and thirty

642
00:31:53,839 --> 00:31:57,519
five PSA tens. It's probably one of the more expensive

643
00:31:58,160 --> 00:31:59,960
bass rookie cards in the industry as well.

644
00:32:00,039 --> 00:32:02,599
Speaker 1: Well. So you know, out of these packs.

645
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:04,759
Speaker 2: You know, I personally, I mean, I'm I'm probably on

646
00:32:04,799 --> 00:32:07,039
the other side and I'm not like doctor Beck. I

647
00:32:07,039 --> 00:32:09,119
would not probably open that pack. I think I would

648
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:10,960
keep it, keep it in the keep it in the

649
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,039
seal there. But you know, like I said, it's it's

650
00:32:14,039 --> 00:32:17,920
it's cool that they're bringing more nostalgia, I think into

651
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,720
an industry where everything it feels like it's very much

652
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:25,240
like what's going on right now. So it's it's cool

653
00:32:25,279 --> 00:32:28,519
that they're bringing more of the nostalgia into into these packs.

654
00:32:28,519 --> 00:32:30,640
You know, whether it's topped with the nineteen fifty two

655
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,279
and I know they're doing I think it was Hank

656
00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:36,000
Aaron and Jackie Robinson, I believe are gonna be the

657
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:38,759
Redemptions in series two. When they're they're kind of adding

658
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:41,160
more of those redemptions into those packs. I think those

659
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,440
are definitely cool, and it's so it's nice to see

660
00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,200
that they're you know, bringing some nostalgia and into those

661
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:46,920
packs for sure.

662
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 3: Again, guys, the problem is if Upper Deck announces in

663
00:32:50,799 --> 00:32:52,240
twenty twenty seven.

664
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:54,359
Speaker 4: We're we're gonna do this again.

665
00:32:54,799 --> 00:32:58,799
Speaker 3: With another twenty three or four packs and another box.

666
00:32:58,839 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 4: And to the everybody, that's great.

667
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,759
Speaker 3: The Boys and Girls Club's gonna get another big, big

668
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,640
check and collectors are going to get this. But there

669
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:10,160
has to be some restraint here, right, because you know,

670
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:13,599
the hobby likes to kind of beat beat dead horses

671
00:33:14,079 --> 00:33:18,039
and promote things to death. So if there's some restraint here,

672
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:21,240
this is gonna be a terrific promotion. And then Michael

673
00:33:21,279 --> 00:33:24,440
can say let's do shoes or or I've got some

674
00:33:24,599 --> 00:33:26,319
jerseys or I've got some other things.

675
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:26,720
Speaker 4: Nice.

676
00:33:26,799 --> 00:33:28,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely, you know, I hope.

677
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: I think Jordan kind of has a good his finger

678
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,440
on the pulse of like, you know, what is trending

679
00:33:33,519 --> 00:33:35,799
just based on you know, the brand, I think as well.

680
00:33:36,640 --> 00:33:38,079
Speaker 1: So we are actually gonna move on to.

681
00:33:38,039 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 2: A topic that I think is probably pretty Probably the

682
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:44,799
most controversial topic we've seen in I don't know quite

683
00:33:44,839 --> 00:33:48,519
like quite some time is Tops announcing they're going to

684
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:54,240
be selling the They're going to be selling the pre

685
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:58,839
ordered Tops Chrome Update megaboxes that are sold directly through

686
00:33:58,839 --> 00:34:00,759
their website, because I know that was one the misconceptions

687
00:34:00,759 --> 00:34:02,680
that I saw a couple of people talking about was well,

688
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:04,720
what's going to stop people from going into stores and

689
00:34:04,759 --> 00:34:07,279
buying these and then flipping the switching the packs around.

690
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:10,199
It's only for right now, it's only the pre orders

691
00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,119
that Tops is selling directly. They're going to be selling

692
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:18,639
the boxes h without the wrapping. I you know, I've

693
00:34:18,639 --> 00:34:21,239
had mixed feelings about it. I'll let you guys go first,

694
00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:23,480
Doctor Beckett, I'll kind of ask you first, like what

695
00:34:23,519 --> 00:34:25,800
were your thoughts here when you when you saw this

696
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:27,280
this past week, this news.

697
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:29,360
Speaker 4: I think it's an experiment.

698
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 3: Uh, it's an experiment that's uh, just to see what happens.

699
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:38,440
And I think I'm glad that Tops is trying to.

700
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:39,360
Speaker 4: Experiment with things.

701
00:34:39,519 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 3: Now if they just had and again every company is

702
00:34:42,280 --> 00:34:45,840
different on this, but if they you know, the the

703
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,800
the shrink wrap is the is the first level of protection,

704
00:34:49,039 --> 00:34:52,519
but the second level is the little tab sometimes at

705
00:34:52,519 --> 00:34:55,719
the making sure the box has not been that the

706
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:59,920
box top is you know, the little circular uh emblemers

707
00:35:00,039 --> 00:35:02,079
something that some of them doing, some of them don't.

708
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:04,599
And then the third level is what's in the actual

709
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:07,320
pack and the searchability of a pack once you open

710
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:11,679
the box, and that's problematic. So if that secondary protection

711
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:16,079
is there of like a tamper proof seal of the

712
00:35:16,519 --> 00:35:18,880
of the flap of the box that you can't get

713
00:35:18,880 --> 00:35:22,320
into the box without damaging the box, but we still

714
00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:22,719
have all.

715
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 4: These crt you know, threats of that too.

716
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:29,360
Speaker 3: So I'm hoping that all that stuff is resolved, because

717
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,679
you know, the crooks are they are You slow them

718
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,679
down when you do these things, but I don't know

719
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,400
that you stop them. And so I'm hoping it's a

720
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:42,000
successful experiment because I like, if this is letting people

721
00:35:42,079 --> 00:35:46,239
know that Fanatics thinks it's good for people to get

722
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,280
the box at a reasonable price, open it up, or

723
00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,599
that somebody can sell it to their friends or people

724
00:35:52,599 --> 00:35:55,159
in their store or whatever or at a show and

725
00:35:55,199 --> 00:35:59,519
you're selling at a reasonable markup, that I think they

726
00:35:59,519 --> 00:36:03,280
deserve credit for this experiment and trying to trying to

727
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:04,840
protect the collector.

728
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 2: Right, Tony, how about you? What were your thoughts here

729
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:09,519
when we saw this news this past week.

730
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:13,199
Speaker 6: I Doctor Jim brought up a great many great points,

731
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:15,559
but the point that resonated with me was will they

732
00:36:15,639 --> 00:36:18,840
still have the little tamper proof piece of tape to

733
00:36:18,920 --> 00:36:22,639
improve I looked for it. I can't find information about

734
00:36:22,639 --> 00:36:25,719
that because if you open up Sorry.

735
00:36:25,559 --> 00:36:27,760
Speaker 3: Doctor Jim, no, I'm saying that's that's all.

736
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's huge because then what's I mean?

737
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,639
Speaker 6: Yeah, Tops is going to sell these directly to the

738
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:37,559
to the consumer and to other dealers, and then what

739
00:36:37,599 --> 00:36:39,920
happens after that because you can easily switch out packs,

740
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,079
they weigh them, you know, you can do a number

741
00:36:42,119 --> 00:36:45,400
of things. I'm not a buyer of this product, but

742
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,280
my son and I used to buy the Allen and

743
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:51,039
Ginter products up to about two years ago, so we

744
00:36:51,199 --> 00:36:51,719
love those.

745
00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:52,599
Speaker 4: But yeah, we'll.

746
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:53,159
Speaker 5: See how it goes.

747
00:36:53,199 --> 00:36:56,599
Speaker 6: But it's definitely a step in the right directions if

748
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:58,719
you're in the market for these types.

749
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:01,599
Speaker 1: Of items, right, I guess too.

750
00:37:02,079 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 2: Just to kind of piggyback on your guys' point here, like,

751
00:37:05,039 --> 00:37:07,559
if it still has that piece of tape, isn't that

752
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:09,639
essentially the same thing as having the wrap on there.

753
00:37:09,679 --> 00:37:12,559
Speaker 1: So like if it does, it's no, no, you don't,

754
00:37:12,559 --> 00:37:13,119
you don't think.

755
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:15,360
Speaker 4: So go in the side.

756
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 3: You know, we people do heart surgery going in through

757
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:25,320
your leg to your heart, so you know, there's there's

758
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:28,079
just you know, guys, I mean, I don't want to

759
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:31,480
be thinking like a criminal because it infects your mind.

760
00:37:31,559 --> 00:37:35,800
But they'll find a way to peek in there, or

761
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,199
to kind of slide it out and slide it back

762
00:37:38,360 --> 00:37:41,360
or just so yeah, right.

763
00:37:42,079 --> 00:37:42,840
Speaker 4: They might. They might.

764
00:37:43,199 --> 00:37:45,519
Speaker 3: They might try to beat that system even if the

765
00:37:45,599 --> 00:37:50,280
tamper proof box closing mechanism is intact.

766
00:37:50,199 --> 00:37:52,199
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, And I mean that's that's the other thing

767
00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:53,679
that you said, doctor Beck that I kind of was

768
00:37:53,679 --> 00:37:55,760
thinking about, was like, the criminals are going to do

769
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:58,039
criminal stuff, like you know, it might solow them down,

770
00:37:58,039 --> 00:37:59,639
but they're gonna they're gonna try and find a way

771
00:37:59,679 --> 00:38:02,360
like so, so you know, I think that's why buying

772
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,039
from you know, directly either directly from tops or buying

773
00:38:05,079 --> 00:38:08,159
people who have a good reputation in this industry is

774
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:10,360
more important than it ever has been. I mean, the

775
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,760
amount of you know, and I know we were talking

776
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,920
about the Wagner earlier. But the other I've seen people

777
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,199
making cards like people are just making fake cards, like

778
00:38:19,239 --> 00:38:21,920
they're putting their taking I saw some people take Prism

779
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:24,639
cards and they were putting like a sticker, like a

780
00:38:24,679 --> 00:38:27,320
plain piece of like phone I have what's called like

781
00:38:27,639 --> 00:38:30,280
plain piece of plastic and making it into a refractor,

782
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,119
and it's like then selling it as a refractor when

783
00:38:32,159 --> 00:38:34,440
it's not at all. So, you know, I think that

784
00:38:35,119 --> 00:38:37,280
buying from people in this industry that have a good

785
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:40,800
reputation is more important than I think it ever has been.

786
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:43,760
And you know, having a good reputation is more important

787
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,159
than it ever has been. I think that's kind of

788
00:38:45,159 --> 00:38:48,280
the other that's the other part of this where I've

789
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,679
seen a lot of people saying that this is going

790
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:52,440
to be the problem, and this is gonna be the problem,

791
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:53,719
and this is gonna be the problem. But it's like

792
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,719
if you are, if you're if you're buying them directly

793
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,239
from tops, which right now they're still available, which I

794
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:02,400
guarantee that these were sealed, I think that they probably

795
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:04,719
wouldn't be like you can still buy these right now,

796
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:09,920
which for the new new Tops products, this is the

797
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,519
longest I've ever seen any of them available on their website.

798
00:39:12,559 --> 00:39:14,840
I mean the blasters for example, those sold out in

799
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:17,599
five minutes, like when they dropped the blasters, And I

800
00:39:17,599 --> 00:39:20,840
think that they did eke eql for the hobby boxes

801
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,880
and jumbo hobby boxes, but when they dropped the blasters,

802
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:26,400
they sold out in five minutes. So it's like, I

803
00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:28,800
don't know if this is because because I did see

804
00:39:28,800 --> 00:39:30,840
someone say that maybe this is because they just printed

805
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:32,960
a ton of these boxes and that's why they're not selling.

806
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:36,159
I think it's partially because of that, but I think

807
00:39:36,199 --> 00:39:38,519
it's also that, you know, maybe there's people just don't

808
00:39:38,519 --> 00:39:40,239
want to buy the box as well at the shrink

809
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,559
wrap to resell them. And so you know, I think

810
00:39:42,559 --> 00:39:44,679
eighty five dollars, you know, these used to you know,

811
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:46,800
I don't know back in you know, I don't know,

812
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:48,199
not even back in the day, probably like three or

813
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,119
four years ago, these were probably fifty or sixty dollars boxes.

814
00:39:52,039 --> 00:39:53,559
Speaker 1: So you're seeing a pretty increased price.

815
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 2: It could also have to do with the price, but

816
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:59,000
I think overall, Tops is at least trying to figure

817
00:39:59,039 --> 00:40:03,000
out a solution to boxes and the prices on the

818
00:40:03,039 --> 00:40:05,880
secondary market to help collectors, and you know, that's what

819
00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:08,280
they said in their statement, let me pull that back

820
00:40:08,360 --> 00:40:12,440
up here. Uh, they said, Uh, this is an initial

821
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:16,119
test of a larger program working to ensure that more

822
00:40:16,159 --> 00:40:20,199
collectors can buy the products at retail prices, which you know,

823
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,239
eighty five dollars is still kind of you know, I

824
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,960
don't know, it's still a little high in my opinion

825
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,599
for a box. But at the same time, who knows,

826
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:29,880
who knows how this will go and what their what

827
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,960
their next steps are. I mean, you know, doctor Becketta,

828
00:40:31,960 --> 00:40:34,360
ask you this question, like, what do you think could

829
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:36,480
be another solution, like at least you know, like I said,

830
00:40:36,480 --> 00:40:38,920
at least Hopps is trying. But you know, do you

831
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:42,440
think that this is potentially a good solution for to

832
00:40:42,519 --> 00:40:43,840
keep the prices where they should be.

833
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:47,480
Speaker 3: I suppose it's an experiment, Adam. I mean you said it, well,

834
00:40:47,519 --> 00:40:50,639
if this, if the end result of this is that

835
00:40:50,800 --> 00:40:55,559
reputation matters even more than it used to, and that

836
00:40:55,559 --> 00:40:58,079
that's a positive development that you're going to be careful

837
00:40:58,119 --> 00:41:01,239
buying from a from a stranger. But you know, there's

838
00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:04,480
it's a it's it's a mega These are megaboxes, I think,

839
00:41:04,519 --> 00:41:08,280
and they're they're they're eighty five bucks, and you're you're

840
00:41:08,280 --> 00:41:10,599
really talking about I think it's a limit of four

841
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:15,039
per customer. And so maybe the the lack of sellout

842
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:17,760
is that the eight again think like a criminal. But

843
00:41:18,159 --> 00:41:20,880
the criminals may not have figured out how to beat

844
00:41:20,920 --> 00:41:23,119
this system yet, and so they're not going to jump

845
00:41:23,159 --> 00:41:25,760
in with both feet until they figure out, hey, can

846
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,199
I can I can I how can I work this

847
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:32,920
to my advantage? Right? Just buying and open them and

848
00:41:33,039 --> 00:41:36,840
enjoying them or selling them for reasonable markups. So so

849
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:40,320
if it hasn't sold out because the scammers have not

850
00:41:40,480 --> 00:41:44,079
figured out yet how they're gonna do an end around,

851
00:41:44,519 --> 00:41:47,159
then the people that are getting the product, or the

852
00:41:47,199 --> 00:41:49,920
people that want the product for their own personal use

853
00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,559
and for their kind of direct customers or their friends.

854
00:41:53,880 --> 00:41:55,760
You can have a buying group all these things, but

855
00:41:56,079 --> 00:41:59,280
it's it's only what is it.

856
00:41:59,199 --> 00:42:00,000
Speaker 4: Forty two cards?

857
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: Yeah?

858
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:08,639
Speaker 2: I believe, Yeah, that's not six's.

859
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:08,760
Speaker 3: Forty two cards at a time for eighty five bucks.

860
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:11,559
You're paying two bucks a card for forty one of

861
00:42:11,599 --> 00:42:14,920
them are not worth two bucks. So but they're trying

862
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:18,840
to figure out that, and and I hope they're not

863
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,719
able to beat the system, as we said, And if

864
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,960
they're not. Then the production the junk wax era was

865
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:30,519
precipitated by people being overly aggressive of buying stuff because

866
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:35,480
of the potential for future resale. Is this is defeating

867
00:42:35,519 --> 00:42:38,400
that You're not going to be buying it thinking hey,

868
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,760
I can flip it and get it to somebody else.

869
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:43,360
You're thinking, I only need to be buying what I

870
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:46,199
really need for this because the shrink wrap's not there.

871
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,199
You know, I'm probably gonna need to sell this sooner

872
00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:51,760
or open it myself and all that, so.

873
00:42:52,639 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 2: Right, right, yeah, I mean, I if if it keeps

874
00:42:57,280 --> 00:42:59,360
like I mean, I think at eighty five dollars, it's

875
00:42:59,400 --> 00:43:01,920
a tough sell in my opinion, honestly, just to to

876
00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,840
try and sell that box at that price in the

877
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:07,440
first place. I think obviously people are buying it, but

878
00:43:07,599 --> 00:43:09,599
not at the not at the rate, you know, and

879
00:43:09,639 --> 00:43:13,840
maybe that's because of the or the unwrapped boxes, or

880
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:15,480
maybe it's because of the price. I mean there, I

881
00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:17,880
think there are tons of different things that could factor

882
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,920
in here. I mean, obviously, obviously you're paying eighty five

883
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:24,360
dollars for the chance, like to get one of the

884
00:43:24,400 --> 00:43:27,280
debut patches. I believe that is advertised on the box

885
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,159
or but there's only ninety three or right, I think

886
00:43:30,159 --> 00:43:33,639
that there's ninety nine players. I think there's ninety three

887
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:37,159
that have autographs, and then there's six players who are

888
00:43:37,199 --> 00:43:40,360
Penny exclusives that don't have autographs, but they have debut

889
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:44,000
patch cards. So you know, I guess, Tony. I'll ask

890
00:43:44,039 --> 00:43:46,239
you a question here before we sort of get towards

891
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,480
the end of the show and talk about more some

892
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:51,440
more collecting stuff. You know, is this is this a

893
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:54,239
product that you would even think about buying, whether whether

894
00:43:54,320 --> 00:43:56,320
it was like or maybe you know, I've got a

895
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,239
better question. What would the price of this product have

896
00:43:58,320 --> 00:44:02,039
to be for you actually want to buy it?

897
00:44:02,079 --> 00:44:04,960
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what I've been wondering five dollars.

898
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:10,119
Speaker 6: I'd rather spend my money on cards like this from

899
00:44:10,159 --> 00:44:14,400
the eighties that you know, I can enjoy and maybe

900
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,960
you know the Buddy Ryan process signed, the Steve Jeltz

901
00:44:18,079 --> 00:44:22,079
or once well isn't signed yet. But that's just you know. Now,

902
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,480
if you ask my son, it's a whole different story.

903
00:44:24,599 --> 00:44:26,880
My son just turned seventeen. It's getting a little bit

904
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,800
out of the card market. But if you asked my

905
00:44:28,880 --> 00:44:32,159
son two years ago, he would probably say, like, you know,

906
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:36,280
forty dollars fifty based on how many loans he could mow.

907
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 2: Right right, Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I think it's

908
00:44:39,960 --> 00:44:42,519
a combination of those two things. The price, and I

909
00:44:42,559 --> 00:44:44,360
think it's the price at eighty five dollars is maybe

910
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,119
a little bit too expensive, Like even if you're trying

911
00:44:46,159 --> 00:44:48,400
to flip, even if you're trying to flip those boxes,

912
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:52,440
like what then people are going to then spend They're

913
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:54,400
gonna have to They're gonna have to spend one hundred dollars, Like,

914
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,360
I don't even know where the profit really comes from

915
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,480
if you're trying to if you're really trying to flip

916
00:44:58,519 --> 00:45:02,800
those boxes, like I'm sure the blasters selling at I

917
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,119
think those ones were selling at forty or forty five.

918
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,079
People are probably buying them for almost the same price

919
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,920
as these megaboxes on eBay if I had to guess. So,

920
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:15,239
I think it's gonna be. You know, it's an interesting experiment. Clearly,

921
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:17,840
right now, they're still not sold out, so maybe it's worked.

922
00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 1: Maybe it hasn't.

923
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:22,519
Speaker 2: We'll see once those boxes start getting shipped out, we'll

924
00:45:22,599 --> 00:45:25,119
see if this is a solution that they want to

925
00:45:25,199 --> 00:45:25,880
use going forward.

926
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,800
Speaker 1: Selling stuff directly from tops.

927
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 2: So you know, as we get here towards kind of

928
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,639
the end of the show, I think I started including more,

929
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,199
you know, collecting aspects to it, not just talking about

930
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:39,480
the news. You know, so, doctor Beckett, anything recently that

931
00:45:39,519 --> 00:45:42,400
you've picked up that you want to share, you want

932
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:44,480
to share with the audience, or anything, you know, anything,

933
00:45:44,519 --> 00:45:47,039
any cool experiences you've had, any card shows recently.

934
00:45:47,480 --> 00:45:49,519
Speaker 3: Let me tie that into what you what we were

935
00:45:49,559 --> 00:45:52,719
just talking about, and that is there's a positive tension

936
00:45:53,119 --> 00:45:56,599
between buying singles, like Tony was saying, buying exactly what

937
00:45:56,719 --> 00:45:59,880
you want and buying unopened and blind box, not no

938
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:02,840
what you're gonna get. And that can be slab packs

939
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,440
that can be an opened product, sealed or not sealed,

940
00:46:06,679 --> 00:46:09,039
but you're getting something you're not sure what you're gonna get,

941
00:46:09,199 --> 00:46:11,960
and so you're paying extra for the chance to maybe

942
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:12,719
get something great.

943
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 4: I understand that, but it's.

944
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,760
Speaker 3: In the best interest of the collectors in the hobby

945
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:21,199
that product me opened because ultimately we are card collector,

946
00:46:21,440 --> 00:46:25,639
and so that tension there. Of the products that are

947
00:46:25,679 --> 00:46:28,000
new need to be opened up, and some of them

948
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:30,440
are opened up with people that are just lottery chasers.

949
00:46:30,639 --> 00:46:33,159
And then but like I say, for me, so to

950
00:46:33,199 --> 00:46:35,119
tie it back to me, They're going to throw that

951
00:46:35,159 --> 00:46:37,599
other stuff in the dollar box and I'll get a

952
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:39,239
chance to look at it. So I don't need to

953
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:42,599
worry about buying paying eighty five bucks to buy forty

954
00:46:42,639 --> 00:46:45,840
two cards that I only really want one or two.

955
00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:48,159
I can take my eighty five bucks and I can

956
00:46:48,199 --> 00:46:51,159
buy eighty five cards, all of which I want, and

957
00:46:52,360 --> 00:46:55,360
I'm better off. But I don't have that opportunity if

958
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:57,320
people don't open up these boxes.

959
00:46:58,119 --> 00:47:00,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, that is one of the things, and.

960
00:47:00,480 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 3: It's a good tension it junk wax era. Not enough

961
00:47:04,559 --> 00:47:06,760
was opened, it was put away, and then when everybody

962
00:47:06,760 --> 00:47:09,519
brought it out, Oh there's a lot of cases.

963
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:11,199
Speaker 1: The right, right right, Yeah.

964
00:47:11,199 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 2: And I think that's one of the things too that

965
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:14,880
a lot of people are talking about with with maybe

966
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:18,440
tops trying to thwart some of the reselling, is like

967
00:47:18,599 --> 00:47:20,840
people have to open it for people to buy singles

968
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,639
or for people to buy cards on eBay or card shows,

969
00:47:23,679 --> 00:47:24,880
people have to open the boxes.

970
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:26,960
Speaker 1: So I think that is also part of it.

971
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 2: It's like I do think that there is a big

972
00:47:29,559 --> 00:47:32,239
sect of the hobby that just buys packs and holds

973
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,239
onto them or buys boxes. I mean, you know, you

974
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,920
can see behind me. I have like one or two

975
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:38,360
boxes of sets that you know. I got some tops basketball,

976
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:41,840
got some NBA prism, got some World Cup prism. It's like,

977
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,519
you know, I like buying blasters, like one or two

978
00:47:44,599 --> 00:47:47,199
blasters and then saving one and then opening one. But

979
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,719
it's like without people opening the packs, you know, that's

980
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:52,159
people can't there aren't cards to buy. But at the

981
00:47:52,199 --> 00:47:54,400
same time, there are already so many cards that it's

982
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,599
like if they were to stop producing cards, I if

983
00:47:57,599 --> 00:47:59,599
they were to not make any more cards forever, I

984
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:03,360
think that would still be a market for cards because

985
00:48:03,519 --> 00:48:06,000
there are so many of them already produced, and there's

986
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:08,880
so many already that are there, you know, Tony kind

987
00:48:08,920 --> 00:48:11,000
of simple similar questions, Doctor Beckett. Here anything you've been

988
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:14,119
picking up recently? What's uh, what have you been doing

989
00:48:14,119 --> 00:48:14,920
collecting wise?

990
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 1: As as of recently, my.

991
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 6: Son and I are in full blown World Cup mode

992
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:24,920
and I've been trying to lay off the hostess cupcakes

993
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:26,719
during the World Cups. But you know, you do need

994
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,599
the occasional treat So instead of buying the hostess treats,

995
00:48:29,920 --> 00:48:33,760
I picked up these two Baseball hosted cards and this

996
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:35,679
Franchie Jackson is also a blank back.

997
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:38,119
Speaker 5: I don't know why, but it's pretty cool.

998
00:48:38,400 --> 00:48:40,960
Speaker 6: But to get into the soccer, my son wanted to

999
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,559
get a box of World Club, just like eight hundred

1000
00:48:43,599 --> 00:48:46,480
dollars a box for World Clup cards. So instead, for

1001
00:48:46,599 --> 00:48:49,880
a fraction of that, we bought two letal messy cards

1002
00:48:50,119 --> 00:48:54,599
and tours and eight and seven even with his old

1003
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:58,159
jersey jersey numbers on him. So that's the recent pickups

1004
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,679
for us, just something we can share. And you know,

1005
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:05,440
even if you're not rooting for Argentina, it's still pretty

1006
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,760
cool to like, you know, be able to hold something

1007
00:49:07,760 --> 00:49:10,079
in your hand while you're watching the matches.

1008
00:49:10,000 --> 00:49:13,239
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, yeah, absolutely yeah. I mean unfortunately US, they

1009
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,760
just were bad. Like I don't know really it was.

1010
00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,360
It was if I felt very reminiscent of like when

1011
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,320
Brazil played Germany in the Brazil World Cup and they

1012
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:24,239
lost seven to one against Germany. It felt very reminiscent

1013
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,000
of that. I mean, Poliitic said he had a broken leg.

1014
00:49:26,039 --> 00:49:28,760
I don't know that dude was just that dude's injury prone.

1015
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:30,679
I mean I've watched him like he played at Chelsea,

1016
00:49:30,760 --> 00:49:33,159
which is my English Premier League team that I watched,

1017
00:49:33,199 --> 00:49:35,599
and he basically barely played for two years because he

1018
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:37,440
was hurt the whole time, So I don't know, he's

1019
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,239
got to figure that out. But yeah, it was definitely unfortunate,

1020
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:43,559
too unfortunate to watch. And then they had that catastrophic

1021
00:49:43,840 --> 00:49:45,800
the third goal that they let up that you know,

1022
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:49,159
the guy the goalie kicked the kick, the kick the field.

1023
00:49:49,239 --> 00:49:52,360
Speaker 1: So I was like, whip, yeah, yeah.

1024
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 6: If there was ever a Bad News Bears type of

1025
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,559
movie he made for soccer, that last game against Belgium,

1026
00:49:59,639 --> 00:50:00,800
that could be the script for it.

1027
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, right right, which I mean, granted, if we beat Belgium,

1028
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,920
I don't I think we have to play Spain in

1029
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:08,880
the next game. I don't think we would have beat Spain,

1030
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:10,960
so it would have been top eight, which I would

1031
00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:13,079
have been much happier with Top eight. Top sixteen is

1032
00:50:13,159 --> 00:50:15,880
where they go out every single year. And you know,

1033
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:18,480
now we're getting the you know that I've seen a

1034
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,719
lot of posts about the players who are younger now

1035
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:22,800
that are probably going to be popular for the twenty

1036
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:25,559
thirty World Cup, and you know, Ronaldo he probably will

1037
00:50:25,639 --> 00:50:27,480
keep playing. I know he was not good at all

1038
00:50:27,519 --> 00:50:29,679
in this World Cup either. But the next World Cup

1039
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:31,559
is in Portugal. So like the thing, the thought that

1040
00:50:31,599 --> 00:50:33,199
he's not going to want to play in the World

1041
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:35,719
Cup in his in his in his country, I.

1042
00:50:35,679 --> 00:50:37,159
Speaker 1: Just don't believe that's going to happen. I think he

1043
00:50:37,159 --> 00:50:39,760
probably does end up playing. Uh, but yeah, I.

1044
00:50:39,679 --> 00:50:42,159
Speaker 2: Mean it was it was a little a little bit unfortunate,

1045
00:50:42,159 --> 00:50:44,199
I would say, yeah.

1046
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 3: I mean, Adam America didn't choke that we were not

1047
00:50:48,199 --> 00:50:51,440
one of the top eight teams, right, exactly who would

1048
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:55,920
we be supplanting? So and Polistic is a really good player,

1049
00:50:56,599 --> 00:50:57,719
but he's not.

1050
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 4: Nobody's calling him the goat.

1051
00:51:00,159 --> 00:51:02,079
Speaker 2: You know, right except for that one except for that

1052
00:51:02,119 --> 00:51:05,079
one guy on uh that one guy on the the

1053
00:51:05,159 --> 00:51:08,079
what what's the attic pickers or something like that where

1054
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:10,159
he's like, yeah, he's the Lebron James of soccer, Like

1055
00:51:10,320 --> 00:51:12,119
he was still in a Polistic Chelsea Jersey.

1056
00:51:12,159 --> 00:51:13,079
Speaker 1: Oh that was a good one.

1057
00:51:13,119 --> 00:51:18,119
Speaker 3: But the Hobbies moved on to Holland and to Bae.

1058
00:51:18,519 --> 00:51:22,400
They've all had their moments. Lemna Male hasn't yet, I

1059
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,920
don't think, right, so they're not really we can hope

1060
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,679
for that, but Polistic, he's not one of the best

1061
00:51:28,679 --> 00:51:32,719
players in the world, right, he said, good, he's one

1062
00:51:32,719 --> 00:51:37,159
of the players, but he just start there yet and

1063
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:38,920
uh and there's no crime in that.

1064
00:51:39,079 --> 00:51:41,280
Speaker 4: And it will see if there's national.

1065
00:51:40,840 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 3: Will to uh reorganize youth soccer too, to try to

1066
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:47,880
do better in four years.

1067
00:51:48,039 --> 00:51:49,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'm sure for a lot of people

1068
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:53,639
when they saw uh Giorna and uh Stephen Bulholter on

1069
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:55,679
the pitch, they were probably like, well, this is like

1070
00:51:55,719 --> 00:51:59,960
a throwback. Is Bullholter and Reina were their fathers, Bulls

1071
00:52:00,199 --> 00:52:03,239
was I believe Raina was the captain and Bullholtz was

1072
00:52:03,280 --> 00:52:04,039
one of the players.

1073
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: I think it was in the eighties.

1074
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna I'm not one hundred percent sure, but

1075
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,159
I know that they were on the same team and

1076
00:52:08,199 --> 00:52:10,119
played together, so it probably was a little bit of

1077
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:12,079
a throwback there. And you know, now I'm seeing with

1078
00:52:12,119 --> 00:52:14,960
Bullholzter like he has some offers of overseas. I think

1079
00:52:15,119 --> 00:52:17,280
right now he plays in the MLS or forgere what

1080
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,159
team he plays for. He might play for Vancouver potentially,

1081
00:52:20,199 --> 00:52:24,280
but yeah, I don't know. I will say, as good

1082
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,400
as the World Cup has been, it's been a little

1083
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,480
bit underwhelming from a card perspective. I think, like I

1084
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:34,320
thought that the Apple TV deal with the MLS was

1085
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:35,800
going to be a big that was gonna be a

1086
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:37,320
big move, and I thought that was gonna be great

1087
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:39,360
for you know, excitement here in the US, and I

1088
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,639
just don't think it really hit as hard as I

1089
00:52:41,639 --> 00:52:43,719
thought it could. And you know, I don't know, maybe

1090
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:48,199
that's because USA lost, but it it just didn't for years.

1091
00:52:48,199 --> 00:52:49,639
This was I thought the World Cup where it's like,

1092
00:52:49,679 --> 00:52:50,960
this is where we're going to see the peak of

1093
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,559
the soccer market. And I think we have seen over

1094
00:52:53,559 --> 00:52:55,280
the past year or so that we've seen a lot

1095
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:56,920
of big cards sell. You know, we've seen a lot

1096
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,159
of h Lemina Mal's, We've seen a lot of like

1097
00:52:59,199 --> 00:53:01,000
Holland just had uh booned is.

1098
00:53:01,039 --> 00:53:03,199
Speaker 1: Look at tops chrome super fractor autograph cell.

1099
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 2: I think that was like a six hundred thousand dollars

1100
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,599
card and then you had the non autograph cell for

1101
00:53:07,639 --> 00:53:11,199
five hundred thousand. So if if somehow Holland and Norway

1102
00:53:11,199 --> 00:53:13,719
can beat England, I think that card I think sells. Again,

1103
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,760
I'm pretty sure it tried. I'm pretty sure the person

1104
00:53:15,800 --> 00:53:19,760
tries to flip the whatever whichever one sold that was.

1105
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:21,599
I think it was the autograph they probably try and

1106
00:53:21,599 --> 00:53:23,599
sell for a million. I wouldn't be surprised, but yeah,

1107
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:25,920
it's definitely, you know, a little unfortunate.

1108
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 7: I would say, Adam, are you saying MLS has grown

1109
00:53:31,400 --> 00:53:33,920
a lot, you know, and it's mainly due to Messi,

1110
00:53:34,199 --> 00:53:36,159
But right, it's grown a lot.

1111
00:53:36,440 --> 00:53:39,079
Speaker 3: You know, if you look the before and after, it's

1112
00:53:39,079 --> 00:53:41,519
it's more on the map than it ever was. And

1113
00:53:41,559 --> 00:53:43,639
it may be that after this World Cup of some

1114
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:47,280
of these international maybe some up now, maybe they'll be

1115
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,360
later in their career, but it's MLS is more legitimate

1116
00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:52,519
than it was three years.

1117
00:53:52,679 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 1: Oh oh yeah, one step in the right thought it

1118
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:57,840
was going to be.

1119
00:53:58,320 --> 00:53:59,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just thought it was gonna be way bigger

1120
00:54:00,079 --> 00:54:02,000
in my opinion, Like that's just sort of what I thought.

1121
00:54:02,119 --> 00:54:05,079
I I like, you know, we are seeing I think

1122
00:54:05,079 --> 00:54:08,679
it's like the inter Miami is trying to get the

1123
00:54:08,719 --> 00:54:11,400
goalkeeper from Cape Verde, which I think is really cool.

1124
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,760
And I know there have been some big announcements over

1125
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:17,119
the past couple of weeks of players coming to the MLS.

1126
00:54:17,159 --> 00:54:19,400
Like you said, you know, Messi obviously being the big one,

1127
00:54:19,599 --> 00:54:22,639
you know, he's gonna kind to continue his career. I

1128
00:54:22,679 --> 00:54:25,199
guess hopefully I don't see him retiring anytime soon. I mean,

1129
00:54:25,199 --> 00:54:28,199
he's basically, you know, he's a he's a major league

1130
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:30,800
player playing in a in a double A league. Almost

1131
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:33,199
like with how good he is and how kind of

1132
00:54:33,239 --> 00:54:35,239
where he is in the MLS, he's one of the

1133
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:35,760
best players.

1134
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:37,960
Speaker 1: So you know, I thought it was gonna be much bigger.

1135
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: But you know, at the same time, it's like, well,

1136
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,800
can you you know, maybe it's my expectations were too high.

1137
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,480
I think that's probably kind of what it comes down to.

1138
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,599
Speaker 6: In addition to the players coming here to play in

1139
00:54:49,639 --> 00:54:51,760
the MLS, I also take it I also like to

1140
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,000
take a look at the young kids and their kids,

1141
00:54:54,159 --> 00:54:59,360
but they're yeah, pros are us kids going overseas to play.

1142
00:54:59,119 --> 00:55:02,199
Speaker 5: Being all alone? You know how many you know that growth?

1143
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 6: I mean when you see our our kids going overseas

1144
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,480
to Germany Premier League and those other the Italian league,

1145
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:12,119
that's something telling too, because that used to never really happen,

1146
00:55:12,519 --> 00:55:15,239
not not to what we're seeing now. So you know,

1147
00:55:15,400 --> 00:55:18,719
there's a local kid put Off the kid Aaronson, and

1148
00:55:18,760 --> 00:55:21,840
he and he made the Olympic team. He's also in

1149
00:55:21,920 --> 00:55:24,840
a pretty good league in Europe. So once we get

1150
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,320
more of of those, I think we're you know, World

1151
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:31,519
SEPP soccer getting a lot more popular, right.

1152
00:55:31,639 --> 00:55:33,840
Speaker 2: I think, like there's another player I think his name

1153
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,440
is Cavin Sylvia, either Sylvia or.

1154
00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 1: Silva Sullivan sorry Sullivan.

1155
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:41,199
Speaker 5: Yeah, and also Arenson both of those.

1156
00:55:41,119 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, both of those guys are yeah, definitely

1157
00:55:43,880 --> 00:55:45,679
exciting players to watch here in the here in the

1158
00:55:45,800 --> 00:55:47,960
MLS or yeah, in the MLS. And I think the

1159
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,559
Apple TV deal, they've kind of switched it around where

1160
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:52,920
they're going to be putting more games not on Apple TV,

1161
00:55:53,119 --> 00:55:55,320
So I think that will that will be good because

1162
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:57,559
then you're going to have people maybe get excited. And

1163
00:55:57,679 --> 00:55:59,679
I mean I would love to see a combination with

1164
00:55:59,719 --> 00:56:02,480
like their is the USL, which is like a the

1165
00:56:02,599 --> 00:56:05,639
basically the B League here in the US. I'd love

1166
00:56:05,679 --> 00:56:07,440
to see some combination with those two leagues. I don't

1167
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:09,079
think we'll ever see it, just because because of the

1168
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:11,719
way the US sports are kind of formulated, the owners

1169
00:56:11,719 --> 00:56:15,519
don't want to they don't want a regulation style league unfortunately.

1170
00:56:15,559 --> 00:56:16,559
Speaker 1: But what do you I mean, what do you gon

1171
00:56:16,599 --> 00:56:17,639
do I guess.

1172
00:56:17,440 --> 00:56:21,800
Speaker 3: Well, yes, you have relegation and you better be on

1173
00:56:21,920 --> 00:56:25,480
your you better finish the season strong, right.

1174
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:27,480
Speaker 2: I think if they were to do that, that would

1175
00:56:27,519 --> 00:56:29,639
be I think that would be a great combination for

1176
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:32,599
the MLS here realistically, like if they were to do

1177
00:56:33,079 --> 00:56:35,719
some sort of regulation and promotion with the USL, Like

1178
00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:37,800
it's already a league that's kind of running and it's

1179
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,119
teams that are popular. Like there's a team in in

1180
00:56:41,199 --> 00:56:43,760
Rhode Island that I'm like, I'm actually interested in maybe

1181
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potentially going to some of those games because I'm like,

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the stadium looks good, the team, the team has cool colors,

1183
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and there's you know, there's sons of good teams in

1184
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that in that league. So it'll be you know, I

1185
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don't know, we'll see maybe you know, maybe Tops does

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a USL product.

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Speaker 1: Soon, and I don't know, I think that would be cool.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, Mike Petty's comment, do we think soccer either

1189
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invented flopping or perfected flopping?

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Speaker 1: Perfected?

1191
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:10,159
Speaker 2: I mean with only one ref on the field, it's

1192
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like that's you know, every other sport there's multiple refs

1193
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who were able to you know, be like that. I

1194
00:57:15,679 --> 00:57:17,480
saw that that guy didn't get touch, he didn't, But

1195
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with one ref, it's like he's looking at the ball obviously,

1196
00:57:20,079 --> 00:57:21,400
but then he has to kind of keep his head

1197
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,199
on a swivel. It's like, you know, it's stuff when

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you're when you're fifteen feet away from somebody and somebody

1199
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goes down, It's like, well, what what did you expect?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, I think that's a good question.

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Speaker 6: But with the flopping, if you complain about flopping in soccer,

1202
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just look at today's NBA.

1203
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Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, yeah, it's very similar.

1204
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:41,679
Speaker 6: It's yeah, I mean you got Lebron James flopping all

1205
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over the place, just like a goldfish out of water.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, and Sga is kind of in a similar

1207
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boat there with you know, he the style is not

1208
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I don't know, it's you know, it's a they won

1209
00:57:53,239 --> 00:57:55,159
a championship. But I think, you know, the same with

1210
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what happened with the Celtics. Here, we're we're going into

1211
00:57:57,719 --> 00:58:00,760
an era where the second Apron his team's teams were

1212
00:58:00,800 --> 00:58:03,199
willing to go into the second apriln one time win

1213
00:58:03,239 --> 00:58:05,039
a championship, but they're gonna be out of there soon.

1214
00:58:05,079 --> 00:58:06,960
Like that's why the Celtics have to trade, you know,

1215
00:58:07,000 --> 00:58:08,599
that's why they have to trade Jayalen Brown. I think

1216
00:58:08,679 --> 00:58:11,960
OKAC is probably gonna go through a similar similar boat

1217
00:58:11,960 --> 00:58:13,599
here where they're gonna have to trade some people away.

1218
00:58:13,639 --> 00:58:17,199
They're gonna be paying like a crazy penalty for the

1219
00:58:17,559 --> 00:58:21,079
you know, the second captain they've got. Yeah, so I

1220
00:58:21,079 --> 00:58:23,719
guess we're up here on the hour pretty much coming

1221
00:58:23,760 --> 00:58:25,719
up at the end of the show. Here, thank you

1222
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:27,920
to everybody in the chat thinking everybody shout out to

1223
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everybody dropping their locations. I really appreciate that. That was

1224
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,519
cool to see again all over the all of the country.

1225
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We're nation nationwide here on on Hobby Hotline. You know,

1226
00:58:37,679 --> 00:58:40,039
we'll go around the horn one more time, you know,

1227
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:42,320
give yourself a shout out. What do you got going on?

1228
00:58:42,400 --> 00:58:44,480
All that kind of stuff. Doctor j will start with you,

1229
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,039
you know, let everybody know where they can find you.

1230
00:58:46,079 --> 00:58:48,880
Anything you're looking to promote here as we're wrapping up

1231
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:49,199
the show.

1232
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Speaker 3: Well, I already answered that'll be looking to see people

1233
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at the at the Dallas show and at the National

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00:58:54,719 --> 00:58:56,679
that it's going to be great. And Adam, it took

1235
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you an hour to mention Jalen.

1236
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Speaker 1: Brown, I'm still morning, I'm still boring.

1237
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Speaker 3: Great job as usual.

1238
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Speaker 1: Appreciate it. Appreciate it.

1239
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'm still that trade. Just don't even look

1240
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doctor Becka. I've talked to my friends about this trade

1241
00:59:10,880 --> 00:59:13,840
for at length for now. Yeah.

1242
00:59:13,920 --> 00:59:16,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, right exactly, you know. Yeah, Tony, Tony, quick,

1243
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:18,039
get me at it, get me out of here.

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Speaker 6: Uh just uh, National coming up. I'll be uh, I'll

1245
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be doing an interview on the on the main stage.

1246
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I believe it's gonna be Thursday at four pm. I'll

1247
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be interviewing Stacy Wall. He's a he's a TV director

1248
00:59:33,960 --> 00:59:38,320
and one of his past works he created the Little

1249
00:59:38,519 --> 00:59:41,440
Little Penny Hardaway commercials back in the nineties.

1250
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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 6: And he's also a painter and an excellent collector, even

1252
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better fellow. So I'll be Thursday at four o'clock on

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the main stage.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 4: Nice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, We've got National coming up, got Fanatics fest. I

1257
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don't think I'm going to Fanatics, fess. I'll be at

1258
00:59:55,960 --> 00:59:58,039
the National. So that's definitely gonna be very exciting. I've

1259
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been putting out my National tips on on Instagram and

1260
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TikTok if you want to, you know, get up to

1261
01:00:04,239 --> 01:00:05,519
date with some of that stuff. I think I've been

1262
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doing it since the start of July, so you know,

1263
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got a lot of tips coming as we go through

1264
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the rest of this month leading up to the National,

1265
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So I'm definitely excited to put put out some of

1266
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that content. Uh, you know, as I usually say, make

1267
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sure as you're you know, if you are somebody who

1268
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has the knowledge and you were able to help a

1269
01:00:21,280 --> 01:00:23,880
new collector in the industry, if they have questions, you know,

1270
01:00:24,519 --> 01:00:26,639
spend the time, spend a couple extra minutes, help them

1271
01:00:26,679 --> 01:00:28,880
out the I'm sure they'll be greatly appreciated. All the

1272
01:00:28,880 --> 01:00:31,920
people who helped me throughout my journey I've been greatly appreciative,

1273
01:00:32,000 --> 01:00:35,559
appreciative of. We'll be back here on the four Collectors

1274
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YouTube channel next week. I believe we will also be

1275
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at the National doing a show on the statement.

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Speaker 1: I hope we can.

1277
01:00:41,760 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if we can confirmed the date and

1278
01:00:43,440 --> 01:00:44,840
time yet or I don't. I don't know if we've

1279
01:00:44,840 --> 01:00:46,400
announced it. I think we might have confirmed. I don't

1280
01:00:46,400 --> 01:00:49,599
know if we've announced it yet. But yeah, definitely definitely

1281
01:00:49,599 --> 01:00:51,800
excited for that. Make sure you come back here, Like

1282
01:00:51,800 --> 01:00:55,519
I said, four Collector's YouTube channel next Saturday. We would

1283
01:00:55,599 --> 01:00:58,679
really appreciate it. Thank you everybody liking subscribe. I guess

1284
01:00:58,679 --> 01:00:59,920
that's something that we have to say here on newt

1285
01:01:00,000 --> 01:01:02,559
Tube as well. Thank you all for listening and we

1286
01:01:02,599 --> 01:01:09,280
will see you guys in the next one.

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Speaker 8: Thank you for listening to this episode of Hobby Hotline.

1288
01:01:13,039 --> 01:01:16,079
Just want to remind everyone we are a live show

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01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:21,519
every Saturday morning, eleven am Eastern eight am Pacific on

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the four Collectors channel on YouTube. That's the number four

1291
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the word Collector's channel on YouTube. We hope to see

1292
01:01:31,079 --> 01:01:34,079
many of you live on a future Saturday. We have

1293
01:01:34,119 --> 01:01:38,039
a great interactive chat room and we always provide a

1294
01:01:38,079 --> 01:01:40,079
link for anyone that wants to come on the show

1295
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:43,239
and chop it up with us. So that's a reminder.

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01:01:43,360 --> 01:01:48,760
Every Saturday, eleven am eastern eight am Pacific only four

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01:01:48,840 --> 01:01:53,039
Collectors channel on YouTube. Hope to see you on the show.