1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,319 Speaker 1: Picture this. You've got your morning coffee, right, You're just 2 00:00:03,359 --> 00:00:05,400 you're scrolling through your news feed, trying to get a 3 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:08,000 handle on the day. We all do exactly. And then 4 00:00:08,039 --> 00:00:10,279 you see it. It's a breaking news alert. But it's 5 00:00:10,320 --> 00:00:13,839 not just a headline, it's a photograph, right, And your 6 00:00:13,839 --> 00:00:16,280 brain takes a second to process it, because, well, it 7 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,600 looks like something straight out of a tabloid. But the 8 00:00:18,719 --> 00:00:23,480 face is undeniable. You're looking at a high ranking government official. 9 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:27,160 We're talking about the Commerce Secretary of the United States, 10 00:00:27,480 --> 00:00:28,440 Howard Lutnik. 11 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,519 Speaker 2: And you know he's not sitting in a boardroom, he's 12 00:00:31,519 --> 00:00:33,679 not at some ribbon cutting ceremony. 13 00:00:33,719 --> 00:00:36,439 Speaker 1: No, he's on a boat. He's wearing this blue button 14 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:40,079 down shirt, wind in his hair. But the location is 15 00:00:40,159 --> 00:00:43,079 what stops you cold. The background is off the coast 16 00:00:43,119 --> 00:00:46,200 of Little Saint James Jeffrey Epstein's Island. 17 00:00:46,039 --> 00:00:49,079 Speaker 2: The one place on Earth that has basically become shorthand 18 00:00:49,079 --> 00:00:53,399 for the absolute worst crimes imaginable, the literal epicenter of 19 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:54,840 a global trafficking ring. 20 00:00:55,280 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, so you do what any rational skeptical person does. 21 00:00:59,359 --> 00:01:01,240 You think, Okay, is this real or is this some 22 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:04,200 aid fake? You want to verify it. So you go 23 00:01:04,280 --> 00:01:06,200 to the source. You rush over to the Department of 24 00:01:06,359 --> 00:01:11,120 Justice website, the official portal for the Epstein Transparency Act, right. 25 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,519 Speaker 2: The database the government set up specifically to show the 26 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,000 public these documents exactly. 27 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,040 Speaker 1: So you type in Lutnek, you hit enter, and what 28 00:01:19,159 --> 00:01:23,920 happens something avoid No results found. So you think maybe 29 00:01:23,920 --> 00:01:27,079 I spell it wrong. You try Epstein, the man the 30 00:01:27,159 --> 00:01:31,200 act is literally named after No results found. You try Maxwell, 31 00:01:31,439 --> 00:01:32,359 No results found. 32 00:01:32,400 --> 00:01:33,959 Speaker 2: The search bar is completely dead. 33 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:36,640 Speaker 1: It's not just that the photo isn't there, the entire 34 00:01:36,719 --> 00:01:39,560 mechanism to find it has flatlined at the exact moment 35 00:01:39,599 --> 00:01:40,680 the public tries to look. 36 00:01:40,799 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 2: And that brings us to the terrifying question we have 37 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:45,560 to grapple with today. Is this just a glitch, you know, 38 00:01:45,599 --> 00:01:48,359 a government server crashing under the weight of web traffic, 39 00:01:48,959 --> 00:01:52,159 or are we witnessing the digital fingerprint of a massive, 40 00:01:52,239 --> 00:01:55,719 real time cover up orchestrated by the highest levels of government. 41 00:01:55,959 --> 00:01:58,239 Speaker 1: Welcome to thrilling Threads. I'm your host, and I have 42 00:01:58,319 --> 00:02:00,640 to say, looking through the research for this one, my 43 00:02:00,799 --> 00:02:03,719 heart is still racing a little bit. It feels really heavy. 44 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,159 Speaker 2: It is heavy, and you're completely right to feel that adrenaline, 45 00:02:07,439 --> 00:02:10,159 because what we're pulling on today isn't just a thread 46 00:02:10,199 --> 00:02:13,039 about a scandal or even a salacious photo. It's a 47 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,120 thread about the machinery of information control. Yeah, it's about 48 00:02:17,199 --> 00:02:20,240 how histor gets rewritten or deleted right in front of 49 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:20,759 our eyes. 50 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:24,240 Speaker 1: It honestly feels a bit dystopian. Now, to be clear 51 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,879 with everyone listening, we are basing this discussion on the 52 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:33,080 factual reporting and the transcript from a really explosive source, 53 00:02:33,639 --> 00:02:38,080 specifically the Midas Touch investigation title Trump shuts down Epstein 54 00:02:38,159 --> 00:02:41,360 website as pictures surface. We're going to walk through every 55 00:02:41,400 --> 00:02:43,240 single detail they laid out, but we're going to slow 56 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,960 it down and really unpack the implications. We're not taking 57 00:02:45,960 --> 00:02:48,159 political sides here. We are just looking at the evidence 58 00:02:48,199 --> 00:02:49,560 presented in that source material. 59 00:02:49,879 --> 00:02:52,879 Speaker 2: And we really have to be precise here because we're 60 00:02:52,879 --> 00:02:58,800 dealing with serious allegations, legal documents, digital forensics, and frankly, 61 00:02:59,120 --> 00:03:02,680 some very disturbing content regarding who was actually on that boat. 62 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:06,599 Speaker 1: Absolutely, So here's our roadmap for this session. We are 63 00:03:06,639 --> 00:03:10,280 going to look at five specific threats. First, the smoking 64 00:03:10,319 --> 00:03:13,400 gun photo itself, Howard Lutnik on the island. We need 65 00:03:13,439 --> 00:03:17,039 to look at it closely. Second, that DOJ website blackout. 66 00:03:17,039 --> 00:03:19,680 I mentioned the glitch that wasn't. Third, we're going to 67 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:23,000 unravel Lutnick's previous testimony to Congress. 68 00:03:22,759 --> 00:03:25,879 Speaker 2: Right, specifically that story he told about being disgusted by Epstein. 69 00:03:26,039 --> 00:03:29,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, spoiler alert, the photo tells a very very different story. Then. Fourth, 70 00:03:29,680 --> 00:03:32,800 we're going to look at something very bureaucratic but incredibly dangerous, 71 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:35,520 which is the suppression of the FBI threeh two reports. 72 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,319 If you don't know what a three O two is, 73 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,120 stick around because that is where the real secrets are buried, 74 00:03:40,199 --> 00:03:43,759 the raw witness data exactly. And finally, we'll touch on 75 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:47,800 the bizarre tales of two recent depositions, Les Wexner's terrifying 76 00:03:47,840 --> 00:03:51,879 death threat and Hillary Clinton's questions about of all things UFOs. 77 00:03:52,039 --> 00:03:54,159 Speaker 2: It's a lot. It's really dense, it is. 78 00:03:54,319 --> 00:03:56,400 Speaker 1: But we're going to unpack it all. Let's start with 79 00:03:56,439 --> 00:03:58,520 the visual that sparked the panic in the first place. 80 00:03:59,039 --> 00:03:59,639 Segment one. 81 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 2: The photo, right, because context is everything here. People here 82 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:05,800 photo on a boat, and they might think of a 83 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:10,520 paparazzi shot taken from a mile away, you know, blurry, grainy, ambiguous. 84 00:04:10,599 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, describe what we are actually looking at here because 85 00:04:13,360 --> 00:04:16,759 in the minastupped source was very specific. I want you, 86 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:20,199 the listener, to be able to see this image perfectly 87 00:04:20,279 --> 00:04:20,839 in your mind. 88 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:23,399 Speaker 2: So in this photograph you have a group of people 89 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:26,600 on the deck of a boat. The setting is crystal clear. 90 00:04:27,639 --> 00:04:30,800 In background, you can see a flagpole, in specific terrain. 91 00:04:30,639 --> 00:04:33,160 Speaker 1: Features like rocks, vegetation lines. 92 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,680 Speaker 2: Exactly, and satellite imagery confirms this matches the coast of 93 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:41,279 Little Saint James Epstein's private island perfectly. There is absolutely 94 00:04:41,319 --> 00:04:43,480 no ambiguity about where this is taking place. 95 00:04:43,519 --> 00:04:47,160 Speaker 1: Okay, so the wear is established, geography doesn't lie. But 96 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:48,079 who is on the boat? 97 00:04:48,319 --> 00:04:51,720 Speaker 2: Front and center? You have Howard Lutnik. He's wearing a blee, 98 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:54,959 buttoned down shirt, sleeves rolled up maybe, and the source 99 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,040 makes a very specific point to describe his demeanor. This 100 00:04:58,199 --> 00:04:58,800 is crucial. 101 00:04:58,920 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, how does he look. 102 00:05:00,079 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 2: He doesn't look like a hostage, he doesn't look uncomfortable, 103 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,120 he doesn't look like someone who is realizing he's in 104 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:08,920 a bad situation. According to the source, he looks like 105 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,199 he is having the time of his life. He is smiling, 106 00:05:12,319 --> 00:05:13,160 he's relaxed. 107 00:05:13,480 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 1: And who is he with? Because you are judged by 108 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:18,560 the company you keep, especially in place like that. 109 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,399 Speaker 2: Well, obviously Jeffrey Epstein is there, but there's also a 110 00:05:21,439 --> 00:05:26,079 man identified as Michael Laerman. But perhaps most disturbingly, and 111 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:28,120 this is the part that really makes your stomach turn 112 00:05:28,199 --> 00:05:30,600 given the context, there's a group of young people. The 113 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:34,920 source identifies them as likely being Lutnik's own children. 114 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,560 Speaker 1: Wait, his kids, Yes, they. 115 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 2: Would have been around sixteen years old at the time. 116 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:42,560 Speaker 1: That is a detail that just stops you cold, bringing 117 00:05:42,639 --> 00:05:47,279 your teenage kids to Epstein's island. It feels incredibly normal 118 00:05:47,319 --> 00:05:48,959 in the photo, which is what makes it so creepy. 119 00:05:48,959 --> 00:05:51,240 It looks like a standard family vacation. 120 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:54,759 Speaker 2: And that normalization is key to understanding the relationship, which 121 00:05:54,759 --> 00:05:57,319 we will get too later. But first we need to 122 00:05:57,319 --> 00:06:00,279 address the skepticism. I know there are listeners right now thinking, well, 123 00:06:00,279 --> 00:06:02,839 hold on, photos can be faked. We live in a 124 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:06,639 digital age. Is this ai? Is this a deep fake? Right? 125 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: It's a completely fair question. We see fake images of 126 00:06:10,319 --> 00:06:14,000 politicians literally every day. How do we verify this? 127 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,480 Speaker 2: The source points to a few layers of verification that 128 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:21,519 make this very very difficult to dismith as a fake. First, 129 00:06:21,680 --> 00:06:23,759 there's a service called jmail Jmail. 130 00:06:23,800 --> 00:06:25,439 Speaker 1: I haven't heard of that one. Is that like Gmail, 131 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:26,240 not quite. 132 00:06:26,360 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 2: Jmail is a specialized legal technology service. Essentially, during the 133 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:33,759 discovery phase of the Steam trials, they ingested all of 134 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:38,600 the raw files millions of emails, photos, documents and preserve 135 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:41,160 them in a format that looks like an email inbox. 136 00:06:41,480 --> 00:06:43,399 Speaker 1: Okay, so a massive data dump, right. 137 00:06:43,439 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 2: The goal is to preserve the metadata and the structure 138 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,399 of the data so lawyers can search it efficiently. This 139 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:51,920 photo was part of that official ingestion. 140 00:06:51,800 --> 00:06:53,839 Speaker 1: So it wasn't just found on a random hard drive 141 00:06:53,959 --> 00:06:56,040 or leaked directly to a tabloid. It was in the 142 00:06:56,079 --> 00:06:59,079 official pile process by legal teams exactly. 143 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:01,959 Speaker 2: And because it was processed, it has a Baates number. 144 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:04,240 Speaker 1: Okay, explain that for people who aren't lawyers. We hear 145 00:07:04,279 --> 00:07:07,360 Baits stamp or Baits number a lot in these legal dramas. 146 00:07:07,399 --> 00:07:08,600 But what does it actually do. 147 00:07:08,759 --> 00:07:11,759 Speaker 2: Think of a Bates number as a digital fingerprint or 148 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,639 a serial number for a piece of paper. When lawyers 149 00:07:14,639 --> 00:07:18,720 exchange millions of documents during a lawsuit, every single page 150 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:22,319 gets a unique alphanumeric code stamped on it, usually right 151 00:07:22,319 --> 00:07:23,240 in the corner. 152 00:07:23,000 --> 00:07:24,000 Speaker 1: To keep track of it all. 153 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,839 Speaker 2: Yeah, It ensures that nothing gets lost and more importantly, 154 00:07:27,079 --> 00:07:29,920 nothing gets added later. If you have a gap in 155 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,399 the sequential numbers, you know exactly what is missing. This 156 00:07:33,439 --> 00:07:37,279 photo is specifically stamped EFTA zero one two three zero 157 00:07:37,360 --> 00:07:39,279 six three nine PDF. 158 00:07:39,079 --> 00:07:42,560 Speaker 1: EFTA zero one two three zero six three nine. So 159 00:07:42,600 --> 00:07:44,600 that number is the chain of custody precisely. 160 00:07:44,879 --> 00:07:47,560 Speaker 2: It proves this image existed in the legal discovery files 161 00:07:47,560 --> 00:07:50,519 before it suddenly disappeared from the website. You can't just 162 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:53,120 fake a Bate's number that perfectly corresponds to a gap 163 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,959 in the official record without leaving a massive digital trace. 164 00:07:56,439 --> 00:07:58,000 It anchors the photo in reality. 165 00:07:58,079 --> 00:08:00,000 Speaker 1: That's really compelling. So you have the chain of customer. 166 00:08:00,319 --> 00:08:01,600 But what about the face itself. 167 00:08:01,680 --> 00:08:04,920 Speaker 2: The source mentions that Jmail used AWS Amazon Web Services 168 00:08:04,959 --> 00:08:06,240 facial recognition. 169 00:08:05,800 --> 00:08:07,079 Speaker 1: Software, which is heavy duty. 170 00:08:07,279 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, this isn't a Snapchat filter. This is an off 171 00:08:09,959 --> 00:08:13,680 the shelf, industrial grade API used by security companies and 172 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,680 governments all over the world. It analyzed the face in 173 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,560 the blue shirt and confirmed it is Howard Lutnik with 174 00:08:19,759 --> 00:08:21,240 ninety nine percent certainty. 175 00:08:21,519 --> 00:08:24,720 Speaker 1: Ninety nine percent certainty in the world of digital forensics, 176 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,240 that is effectively a match. But It isn't just the 177 00:08:27,279 --> 00:08:29,720 photo right because of photo as a moment in time, 178 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:35,480 but usually a trip like this has a massive paper trail, logistics, flights. 179 00:08:35,679 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: Yes, and that is the final nail in the coffin 180 00:08:38,519 --> 00:08:42,159 for the fake theory. The source cites specific emails uncovered 181 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:45,159 in the Epstein files. We have an exact date December 182 00:08:45,240 --> 00:08:45,879 twenty twelve. 183 00:08:46,320 --> 00:08:49,039 Speaker 1: Okay, December twenty twelve, everyone keep that year in mind, 184 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:50,159 twenty twelve. 185 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:54,399 Speaker 2: In the emails, Lutnik is coordinating directly with Epstein. He writes, quote, 186 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,200 we are landing in Saint Thomas early Saturday afternoon and 187 00:08:57,240 --> 00:08:59,279 planning to head over to Saint Barts on Monday at 188 00:08:59,279 --> 00:09:01,840 some point. Then he asks a question that implies he 189 00:09:01,879 --> 00:09:04,600 needs very granular specifics. He says, where are you located? 190 00:09:04,639 --> 00:09:06,240 What's the exact location for my captain? 191 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 1: What's the exact location for my captain? That implies he's 192 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,240 on a private vessel. That is a level of familiarity 193 00:09:12,279 --> 00:09:15,759 and logistics. That implies a heavily planned, coordinated visit, not 194 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:16,759 just to stumble upon. 195 00:09:17,000 --> 00:09:19,519 Speaker 2: And he explicitly mentions the guest list in the email, 196 00:09:19,559 --> 00:09:22,240 which matches the photo perfectly. He says, I have another 197 00:09:22,279 --> 00:09:26,159 couple Michael and Marcy Lherman. Remember Michael Lherman was identified 198 00:09:26,200 --> 00:09:28,200 in the photo, and he adds each of us has 199 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,480 four children, two sixteen's, two fourteens of thirteen to twelve 200 00:09:31,519 --> 00:09:32,879 and eleven, and a seven year old. 201 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,279 Speaker 1: Wow, so let's stack this up. The photo shows Lutnik, Epstein, 202 00:09:36,399 --> 00:09:39,360 Lherman and a group of teens. The email lists Lutnik, 203 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:43,000 Lherman and their teens. The geography matches the island, the 204 00:09:43,039 --> 00:09:46,360 facial recognition matches the face. The Bates number proves the 205 00:09:46,399 --> 00:09:49,200 document's authenticity. It is open and shut. 206 00:09:49,159 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 2: As far as evidence goes, it is completely overwhelming. If 207 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,080 this were a criminal trial, that is enough to legally 208 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,120 place him at the scene. 209 00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,320 Speaker 1: So the evidence is rock solid. But here is where 210 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,799 the story show from just being about a scandalous photo 211 00:10:02,879 --> 00:10:07,000 to something much much darker. Let's talk about the reaction, 212 00:10:07,399 --> 00:10:09,840 because if this was just an embarrassing photo, you'd expect 213 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,080 a denial or maybe a PR team spinning it, or 214 00:10:12,120 --> 00:10:14,639 even just silence. Right, but that's not what happened. Let's 215 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,159 move to segment two. The glitch. 216 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 2: The glitch the timing here is what makes it so 217 00:10:19,840 --> 00:10:21,120 incredibly suspicious. 218 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,039 Speaker 1: Right, So this news starts to bubble up. People are 219 00:10:24,039 --> 00:10:26,840 whispering on social media, hey have you seen the Lutnik photo, 220 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:30,840 And naturally, citizen journalists and curious voters want to verify 221 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:33,879 it for themselves, so they go to the DOJ website. 222 00:10:33,919 --> 00:10:37,600 The Epstein Transparency Act portal walk us through exactly what 223 00:10:37,679 --> 00:10:39,159 happened to the user experience. 224 00:10:39,440 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 2: According to the source reporting, users started realizing that searches 225 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:47,279 for Lutnik returned no results. Found now, in a database 226 00:10:47,399 --> 00:10:51,159 of this immense size involving these specific people, that is 227 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:54,240 statistically impossible if the system is actually working. Yeah, but 228 00:10:54,279 --> 00:10:56,840 it wasn't just him. They searched Epstein no results. 229 00:10:56,879 --> 00:10:58,759 Speaker 1: Wait on the Epstein Transparency website. 230 00:10:58,919 --> 00:11:04,960 Speaker 2: Yes, they searched Trump, no results. They searched Maxwell no results. 231 00:11:05,159 --> 00:11:08,120 Speaker 1: That is literally like going to Wikipedia searching for World 232 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:10,399 War Two and getting a blank page. It's the primary 233 00:11:10,399 --> 00:11:11,000 function of the. 234 00:11:10,960 --> 00:11:14,799 Speaker 2: Site, effectively, Yes, the search function was deliberately disabled. It 235 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:17,639 appears to have been shut down specifically during the exact 236 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:21,039 window when this photo was going viral online. But here 237 00:11:21,200 --> 00:11:25,960 is the nuance we need to grasp. Government websites do crash. 238 00:11:26,399 --> 00:11:29,279 They are old, they are clunky. If a million people 239 00:11:29,279 --> 00:11:31,679 click a link at once. A server can melt down. 240 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: Right, the hug of death. We see it all the 241 00:11:32,960 --> 00:11:36,200 time with concert ticket sales or massive news drops exactly. 242 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,879 Speaker 2: But usually when a server crashes from traffic, the whole 243 00:11:38,879 --> 00:11:40,919 site goes down. You get a four or four hour 244 00:11:40,960 --> 00:11:44,240 page or the browser times out. What happened here was 245 00:11:44,279 --> 00:11:47,200 fundamentally different. The site itself was up, the interface was 246 00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:50,960 loading fine, but the database queries were returning zeros. That 247 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:53,759 suggests someone turned off the connection to the data, not 248 00:11:53,840 --> 00:11:55,240 that the server hardware failed. 249 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:57,759 Speaker 1: That is a crucial distinction. And they didn't just break 250 00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:02,600 the search bar right, because smart people, researchers, data journalists, 251 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:05,120 they know you can browse sequentially. If you know the 252 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:07,679 BAITS numbers, you can just click nex, next, nest. 253 00:12:07,480 --> 00:12:10,320 Speaker 2: And that is the absolute smoking gun of the cover up. 254 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:13,679 According to the source, users tried to find that specific 255 00:12:13,759 --> 00:12:16,519 BAITS number we mentioned e FTU zero one two three, 256 00:12:16,639 --> 00:12:19,759 zero six three nine when they looked for it sequentially, 257 00:12:19,840 --> 00:12:22,879 just scrolling through the files manually, it was completely gone. 258 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:26,440 The source claims the photo was manually removed from the browsing. 259 00:12:26,120 --> 00:12:28,879 Speaker 1: Order, so someone had to go in there. Someone with 260 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:33,080 high level admin access had to log in locate that 261 00:12:33,159 --> 00:12:36,600 specific file and unpublish it or delete it. This wasn't 262 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:38,360 an accident, This was digital surgery. 263 00:12:38,679 --> 00:12:41,840 Speaker 2: That is the core allegation. The intent seems to be 264 00:12:41,879 --> 00:12:44,799 pure gaslighting. If you take the photo off the official 265 00:12:44,799 --> 00:12:48,480 government website, then when someone shares it on Twitter or Facebook, 266 00:12:48,679 --> 00:12:51,000 the skeptics can say, oh, that's a fake, it's not 267 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:53,919 in the official archive. You're spreading disinformation. They wanted to 268 00:12:53,919 --> 00:12:55,440 create a vacuum of verification. 269 00:12:55,799 --> 00:12:57,720 Speaker 1: They wanted to make us doubt our own eyes. Who 270 00:12:57,759 --> 00:12:59,639 are you going to believe the Department of Justice or 271 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,639 some Twitter account? But it totally backfired, didn't it spectacularly? 272 00:13:05,039 --> 00:13:07,360 Speaker 2: This is the classic straysand effect in action. 273 00:13:07,840 --> 00:13:10,320 Speaker 1: I love that term. Explain it for us, just so 274 00:13:10,399 --> 00:13:12,240 everyone listening is on the exact same page. 275 00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:15,879 Speaker 2: It's named after Barber streisand years ago she tried to 276 00:13:15,919 --> 00:13:19,000 sue a photographer to remove an aerial photo of her 277 00:13:19,039 --> 00:13:23,600 house from a public collection of coastline pictures. Before the lawsuit, 278 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:26,360 basically nobody had seen the photo. It was completely obscure. 279 00:13:26,879 --> 00:13:30,120 After the lawsuit, millions of people looked at it, specifically 280 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:33,480 because she tried to hide it by deleting this photo 281 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:36,519 of Lutnik the DOJ, and the source points the finger 282 00:13:36,600 --> 00:13:40,799 directly at Pam Bondi's leadership. Here essentially confirmed its authenticity. 283 00:13:41,399 --> 00:13:43,559 You don't delete a fake photo, you ignore it. You 284 00:13:43,639 --> 00:13:46,639 only delete something if it is deeply damaging and entirely real. 285 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,759 Speaker 1: That is such a good point. If it was a fake, 286 00:13:48,799 --> 00:13:51,799 the DOJ could just issue a simple press release. This 287 00:13:51,879 --> 00:13:55,679 image circulating is an AI fabrication. Here is the digital proof. 288 00:13:56,279 --> 00:13:59,639 By scrubbing the servers. They basically stamped true on it 289 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:00,000 in met. 290 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:04,159 Speaker 2: Read letters and they signaled absolute panic. You only pull 291 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:06,720 the plug on the server if you are terrified of 292 00:14:06,720 --> 00:14:07,480 what the public is. 293 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:10,559 Speaker 1: Finding, which begs the question why are they so terrified? 294 00:14:11,080 --> 00:14:13,799 Why is this one photo of the Commerce secretary worth 295 00:14:13,840 --> 00:14:17,360 crashing a DOJ website for? And I think the answer 296 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:20,000 lies in the web of lies Lutnik has been spinning 297 00:14:20,039 --> 00:14:23,159 for years. If this photo comes out, it doesn't just 298 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:26,600 look bad politically, it proves he lied to Congress. Let's 299 00:14:26,639 --> 00:14:28,039 move to segment three. 300 00:14:28,399 --> 00:14:30,759 Speaker 2: This is where the character study really comes into play. 301 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:34,879 Howard Lutnek has been very very vocal about his relationship 302 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:37,480 or lack thereof, with Jeffrey Epstein. He hasn't been shy 303 00:14:37,559 --> 00:14:38,720 about discussing it right. 304 00:14:38,759 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 1: He gave this big interview to Miranda Devine at the 305 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:43,960 New York Post. He has testified to Congress, and the 306 00:14:44,039 --> 00:14:46,919 story has always been exactly the same. It's a very specific, 307 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:49,440 rehearsed narrative. I met him once once. 308 00:14:49,799 --> 00:14:52,159 Speaker 2: That was the central claim. He said. He met Epstein 309 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,399 one time in two thousand and five. They were neighbors 310 00:14:54,399 --> 00:14:56,399 in New York. Epstein invited him. 311 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,159 Speaker 1: Over, and Lutnik tells this incredibly vivid story to sell 312 00:15:00,240 --> 00:15:03,320 it to the public. He says he walked into Epstein's house, 313 00:15:03,559 --> 00:15:05,399 saw a massage table sitting in the middle of the 314 00:15:05,480 --> 00:15:08,919 room and was just disgusted. He claims he walked out, 315 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:12,159 told his wife that man is gross, and that he 316 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:13,080 never saw him again. 317 00:15:13,279 --> 00:15:16,759 Speaker 2: He was very specific about the boundaries. He claimed zero 318 00:15:16,799 --> 00:15:22,720 professional relationship, zero philanthropic relationship, and zero social relationship. He 319 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:26,080 essentially painted himself as the moral crusader who spotted the 320 00:15:26,120 --> 00:15:27,799 predator immediately and walked away. 321 00:15:27,879 --> 00:15:30,480 Speaker 1: I was disgusted that man is gross, never saw him again. 322 00:15:30,480 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: That's two thousand and five, and now we have a 323 00:15:32,279 --> 00:15:34,200 verified photo from twenty. 324 00:15:33,799 --> 00:15:36,039 Speaker 1: Twelve, seven years later, seven years. 325 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 2: After he was supposedly deeply disgusted. He is on a 326 00:15:38,879 --> 00:15:43,240 boat in the Caribbean, wearing a blue button down, smiling 327 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:46,639 with his teenage children, visiting the very man he claimed 328 00:15:46,639 --> 00:15:47,120 to hate. 329 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:48,840 Speaker 1: You don't take your kids to visit a man you 330 00:15:48,879 --> 00:15:51,440 find disgusting, You just don't. That is the part that 331 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:53,440 completely breaks the logic for me. If you think a 332 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,960 guy is a predator or even just gross, you keep 333 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,039 your family one thousand miles away. You don't coordinate boat 334 00:15:59,039 --> 00:16:00,639 logistics and vacation plans. 335 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:04,799 Speaker 2: It completely unravels his sworn testimony. But the Mitas Touch 336 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:07,600 reporting shows it gets much deeper than just the trip. 337 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,840 The source highlights that their lives were much more intertwined 338 00:16:10,840 --> 00:16:13,679 than just a casual visit. There were neighbors in a 339 00:16:13,799 --> 00:16:15,320 very literal structural sense. 340 00:16:15,399 --> 00:16:16,879 Speaker 1: How close are we actually talking? 341 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 2: Ludnik lived at eleven East seventy first Street, Epstein lived 342 00:16:20,960 --> 00:16:22,440 at nine to East seventy first Street. 343 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:24,639 Speaker 1: Wait nine and eleven. They literally shared a. 344 00:16:24,559 --> 00:16:28,399 Speaker 2: Wall effectively, Yes, and interestingly, both of those properties were 345 00:16:28,399 --> 00:16:32,320 originally owned by Les Wexner, the billionaire behind a Victoria's Secret, 346 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:35,120 So they are living side by side in this Wexner 347 00:16:35,159 --> 00:16:38,240 owned complex. They are in the exact same social and 348 00:16:38,320 --> 00:16:39,679 geographical ecosystem. 349 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,240 Speaker 1: And the source mentions business ties too. It wasn't just 350 00:16:42,360 --> 00:16:44,559 neighborly chats over the fence about the hedges. 351 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: Correct. The emails revealed detailed discussions about a partnership in 352 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:52,320 a company called adfin starting around twenty fourteen. Again way 353 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:54,879 way after the two thousand and five discuss date. They 354 00:16:54,879 --> 00:16:58,080 were even strategizing together about suing a nearby museum because 355 00:16:58,080 --> 00:17:00,120 it was going to block the sunlight to their property. 356 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 1: That is so petty and so intimate. Let's sue the 357 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:07,240 museum together. That is buddy Buddy's stuff. That implies a 358 00:17:07,279 --> 00:17:10,039 shared financial interest and a deeply shared strategy. 359 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:13,079 Speaker 2: And Epstein gave Lutnik a fifty thousand dollars gift. 360 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 1: Whoa fifty grand just cash or a check? 361 00:17:17,279 --> 00:17:19,640 Speaker 2: A fifty thousand dollars gift. Now, I don't know about you, 362 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,240 but I don't accept fifty thousand dollars gifts from people 363 00:17:22,279 --> 00:17:25,079 I find grows and supposedly haven't seen in a decade. 364 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:28,039 Speaker 1: You definitely don't. That is a transaction or a bribe 365 00:17:28,319 --> 00:17:30,599 or a very very expensive thank you. You do not 366 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:33,200 give fifty grand to a casual acquaintance. 367 00:17:32,759 --> 00:17:36,279 Speaker 2: Tedlu the congressman weighing heavily on this. He pointed out 368 00:17:36,279 --> 00:17:39,480 that Lutnik likely committed pertury he lied under oath to 369 00:17:39,519 --> 00:17:43,000 Congress during his confirmation hearings or previous testimonies about the 370 00:17:43,039 --> 00:17:45,720 actual nature of his relationship. And when you look at 371 00:17:45,720 --> 00:17:48,599 the totality of it, the business deals, the lawsuits, the 372 00:17:48,640 --> 00:17:52,680 cash gifts, the island vacations with the kids, the disgusted 373 00:17:52,799 --> 00:17:56,519 narrative isn't just a white lie. Is a highly calculated 374 00:17:56,559 --> 00:17:59,680 fabrication designed to protect his political career and. 375 00:17:59,599 --> 00:18:02,920 Speaker 1: To detect himself from being associated with the horrific crimes 376 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:05,480 that happened on that island. I mean bringing your kids there. 377 00:18:05,559 --> 00:18:07,880 That is the part I simply cannot get over. We 378 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:09,880 know now what was happening on Little Saint James. It 379 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:12,359 was a trafficking hub, and he is treating it like 380 00:18:12,400 --> 00:18:13,440 a Sambals resort. 381 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:16,519 Speaker 2: It speaks to a level of comfort with Epstein's world 382 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,680 that is deeply unsettling. It suggests that whatever he saw 383 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:22,119 in two thousand and five didn't disgust him enough to 384 00:18:22,160 --> 00:18:23,119 actually stay away. 385 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:26,039 Speaker 1: Okay, so we have the photo, the digital cover up, 386 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:29,839 and the perjury but the source argues this goes way 387 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:32,839 beyond Lutnik. This is an institutional issue. We need to 388 00:18:32,839 --> 00:18:34,839 talk about the memo. This is segment four. 389 00:18:35,119 --> 00:18:37,319 Speaker 2: This is probably the most legally significant part of the 390 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:42,319 entire report. The source references a specific memorandum dated January fourth, 391 00:18:42,480 --> 00:18:43,359 twenty twenty six. 392 00:18:43,559 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: January four, twenty twenty six, So this is incredibly recent. 393 00:18:47,079 --> 00:18:49,359 This is current administration policy. 394 00:18:49,079 --> 00:18:50,960 Speaker 2: Right, and it comes directly from Todd Blanche. 395 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,079 Speaker 1: Todd Blanche, why does that name ring a bell for people? 396 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:56,559 Speaker 2: He was Donald Trump's criminal defense attorney. He represented him 397 00:18:56,599 --> 00:18:59,039 in his high profile trials in New York and Florida. 398 00:18:59,440 --> 00:19:01,839 Now he is in a high ranking position within the 399 00:19:01,839 --> 00:19:06,119 administration sending official directives to FBI and DOJ agents. 400 00:19:06,200 --> 00:19:09,319 Speaker 1: Okay, so the president's former personal defense lawyer is now 401 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,200 telling the FBI what to do with the Epstein files. 402 00:19:12,319 --> 00:19:15,519 That seems like a massive conflict of interest. To put 403 00:19:15,519 --> 00:19:18,039 it mildly, what did the memo actually say? 404 00:19:18,319 --> 00:19:22,079 Speaker 2: The instruction was explicit flag and withhold all FBI three 405 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:22,960 H two reports. 406 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,799 Speaker 1: Let's unpack that jargon. I hear three O two in 407 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:28,200 true crime shows all the time, but what is it 408 00:19:28,279 --> 00:19:30,119 actually in practice in. 409 00:19:30,079 --> 00:19:32,599 Speaker 2: Federal law enforcement. An FD three two form is the 410 00:19:32,599 --> 00:19:36,440 official permanent record of an interview. When an FBI agent 411 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,680 sits down with a witness, a survivor, a pilot, or 412 00:19:38,680 --> 00:19:41,200 a criminal associate, they don't just take loose, sticky notes. 413 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:44,440 They write a formal, highly detailed, narrative summary of everything 414 00:19:44,480 --> 00:19:47,000 that was said. The three to two is the raw 415 00:19:47,119 --> 00:19:50,720 fact pattern of an investigation. It is the definitive who 416 00:19:50,759 --> 00:19:51,039 said what? 417 00:19:51,279 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: So these are the interviews with the victims. These are 418 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:55,640 the stories of the people who saw exactly what happened. 419 00:19:55,720 --> 00:19:58,960 These are the first hand accounts of the abuse exactly. 420 00:19:59,079 --> 00:20:02,440 Speaker 2: The source claims. There are over ninety of these specific reports, 421 00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:05,920 and the memo orders them to be hidden from the public. 422 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:10,599 Speaker 1: Ninety reports. That is ninety voices being silenced. Why what 423 00:20:10,759 --> 00:20:13,119 is the legal justification for that? They can't just say 424 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:14,680 we don't want you to see this. 425 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 2: This is where it gets incredibly legally acrobatic. The memo 426 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:23,359 instructs agents to claim attorney client privilege on communications between 427 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,920 Jeffrey Epstein and Gislaine Maxwell. 428 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:29,440 Speaker 1: Wait wait stop. Epstein and Maxwell were co conspirators. They 429 00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,319 are partners in an international crime ring. They weren't each 430 00:20:32,319 --> 00:20:35,720 other's lawyers. How on earth can they have attorney client privilege. 431 00:20:35,759 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 2: They can't not In any standard legal universe. Privilege only 432 00:20:38,920 --> 00:20:42,440 applies between a client and their actual retained legal council. 433 00:20:42,799 --> 00:20:45,359 But the source theorizes that the DOJ is using this 434 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,200 as a massive loophole. The theory is that Epstein and 435 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:51,519 Maxwell were discussing Donald Trump in these specific communications. 436 00:20:51,559 --> 00:20:53,640 Speaker 1: Oh, I see so, because they were talking about Trump 437 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:55,160 and Trump is now the president. 438 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:58,119 Speaker 2: The DOJ is claiming privilege to protect the subject of 439 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,839 the conversation, treating the conversation as if it legally belongs 440 00:21:02,839 --> 00:21:08,440 to the president. The expert source calls this patently unlawful. 441 00:21:09,079 --> 00:21:12,759 You absolutely cannot claim privilege over two criminals talking to 442 00:21:12,799 --> 00:21:15,359 each other just because they happened to mention your name. 443 00:21:15,599 --> 00:21:18,720 Speaker 1: That is wild. It is like if two bank robbers 444 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:20,799 were talking about me and I tried to seal their 445 00:21:20,839 --> 00:21:22,880 criminal court records because I don't want people to know 446 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:23,599 they knew my name. 447 00:21:23,839 --> 00:21:26,519 Speaker 2: It creates a zone of absolute immunity where there should 448 00:21:26,519 --> 00:21:29,000 be none at all. And it connects directly to the 449 00:21:29,039 --> 00:21:31,720 fifty three missing pages uncovered by MPR. 450 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:34,759 Speaker 1: Right I saw that headline floating around NPR found that 451 00:21:34,799 --> 00:21:38,079 there were massive page gaps in the official release, and. 452 00:21:38,079 --> 00:21:42,200 Speaker 2: Those pages allegedly relate specifically to allegations involving Donald Trump. 453 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,759 Sarah Matthews, the former deputy Press secretary who worked for Trump, 454 00:21:46,079 --> 00:21:48,359 mind you, was very blunt about this. She called it 455 00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,759 a cover up coming from the top. 456 00:21:50,039 --> 00:21:52,640 Speaker 1: When you have the former press secretary saying it is 457 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,599 a cover up that holds serious weight, She's not a 458 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:59,680 political outsider. She noted that hiding these files contradicts the 459 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:03,319 whole t transparency branding of the administration. They call it 460 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:06,799 the Epstein Transparency Act, but it sounds a lot more 461 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:08,720 like the Epstein Opaque Acts. 462 00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:12,119 Speaker 2: Transparency for thee but not for me. That seems to 463 00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,039 be the guiding operating principle here. 464 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:16,359 Speaker 1: It is terrifying to think that the Department of Justice 465 00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,839 is being utilized as a personal defense firm. But speaking 466 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,240 of terrifying, we need to talk about the depositions. This 467 00:22:23,279 --> 00:22:24,079 is segment five. 468 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 2: This is where the story shifts from bureaucratit cover ups 469 00:22:27,519 --> 00:22:29,960 to something that feels straight out of a mob movie. 470 00:22:30,039 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: Les Wexner, the billionaire, the man who owned those townhouses 471 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,480 we talked about earlier, the man behind the limited victorious secret. 472 00:22:37,839 --> 00:22:39,559 He was deposed recently. 473 00:22:39,359 --> 00:22:43,000 Speaker 2: Yes, and his testimony was completely explosive. He admitted on 474 00:22:43,079 --> 00:22:45,960 the record to giving Epstein one billion dollar. 475 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,079 Speaker 1: One billion with a B. That is an insane, almost 476 00:22:50,160 --> 00:22:51,599 unfathomable amount of. 477 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:53,680 Speaker 2: Money, and he claims he was conned. He says he 478 00:22:53,680 --> 00:22:56,279 didn't know why he hired Epstein as his financial advisor. 479 00:22:56,519 --> 00:22:57,839 He just gave him the money. 480 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 1: Which is incredibly hard to swallow. You don't accidentally give 481 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,279 a con man a billion dollars unless he has something 482 00:23:03,319 --> 00:23:05,799 monumental on you, or unless you are getting something very 483 00:23:05,839 --> 00:23:06,880 specific in return. 484 00:23:06,920 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 2: Precisely, but the Midas Touch source highlights a specific moment 485 00:23:11,079 --> 00:23:14,799 in the deposition that is absolutely chilling. Wexner started talking 486 00:23:14,839 --> 00:23:18,599 about the Rothschild banking family and their deep connections to Epstein. 487 00:23:19,079 --> 00:23:20,920 He started to pull on a thread about where the 488 00:23:20,920 --> 00:23:25,240 money actually went and what happened. Wexner's lawyer physically interrupted him, 489 00:23:25,759 --> 00:23:28,720 and according to the source, the lawyer said, quote, if 490 00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:31,599 you keep on speaking, I'm going to thing kill you. 491 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:33,759 Excuse me, I'm going to thing kill you. 492 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:38,200 Speaker 1: In a congressional deposition with the stenographer present in the room. 493 00:23:38,279 --> 00:23:41,599 Speaker 2: That is the report. It sounds of pure fiction. It 494 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:44,559 sounds like a scene from The Sopranos, But this is 495 00:23:44,640 --> 00:23:48,480 the actual level of tension and threat surrounding these witnesses. 496 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,519 If a billionaire, literally one of the richest most powerful 497 00:23:52,559 --> 00:23:55,039 men in the world, is being threatened with death by 498 00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:58,559 his own lawyer for speaking too much, imagine the pressure 499 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:02,160 on the actual survivor imagine the pressure on the people 500 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:04,559 who don't have a billion dollars to protect themselves. 501 00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,000 Speaker 1: That is bone chilling. I'm going to kill you. 502 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:09,839 Speaker 2: It tells you that there are secrets here that people 503 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:13,319 are willing to commit actual violence to protect. It's not 504 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,480 just about reputation management anymore. It's about survival. 505 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,359 Speaker 1: And then you contrast that life or death intensity with 506 00:24:19,440 --> 00:24:21,720 the deposition of Hillary Clinton, which happened right around the 507 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:22,079 same time. 508 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:23,279 Speaker 2: Oh, this is a circus act. 509 00:24:23,319 --> 00:24:26,240 Speaker 1: It really was. While Wexner is being threatened with death, 510 00:24:26,799 --> 00:24:29,200 Hillary Clinton is being asked about. 511 00:24:29,039 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 2: UFOs, UFOs and Pizzagate. Yes, the source details at the 512 00:24:34,079 --> 00:24:38,440 questioning completely steered away from any substantive issues and went 513 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:41,960 straight into internet conspiracy theories. They asked her about aliens, 514 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:45,440 They asked her about Pizzagate, the thoroughly debunked theory about 515 00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:47,200 a pizza parlor basement in DC. 516 00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: It is such a stark, bizarre contrast. On one side 517 00:24:51,039 --> 00:24:54,200 you have a billion dollar money trail and literal death threats. 518 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,079 On the other side you have questions about little green men. 519 00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:02,079 Speaker 2: It reveals the entire strategy with Clinton wasn't a factual investigation. 520 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,640 It was content creation. As the source notes referencing Ron 521 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,759 philip Kowski, they wanted sound bites for social media. They 522 00:25:08,799 --> 00:25:12,160 wanted to humiliate her or generate viral clips for their base. 523 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:14,839 It was in a serious legal inquiry in any sense 524 00:25:14,839 --> 00:25:15,319 of the word. 525 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,519 Speaker 1: It shows that one side is playing a massive game 526 00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:19,880 of distraction while the other side is playing a very 527 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:23,160 real game of survival. They are muddying the waters with 528 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:25,160 total nonsense, so we don't look at the blood in 529 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:26,839 the water over by Wexner exactly. 530 00:25:27,079 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 2: And speaking of distraction, that brings us to the political 531 00:25:29,279 --> 00:25:30,359 fallout segment six. 532 00:25:30,799 --> 00:25:33,839 Speaker 1: The reaction has been incredibly swift, at least from one 533 00:25:33,839 --> 00:25:37,000 side of the aisle. People are definitely not letting this slide. 534 00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:40,960 Speaker 2: Democratic representatives like Jamie Raskin, Dan Goldman, and Stacy Plaskett 535 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:45,160 are demanding that Lutnk testify immediately. They want him under 536 00:25:45,160 --> 00:25:48,079 oath explaining that photo frame by frame. They want to 537 00:25:48,079 --> 00:25:51,559 ask him, is that you were those your kids? Why 538 00:25:51,559 --> 00:25:53,200 did you lie to the American public? 539 00:25:53,839 --> 00:25:56,480 Speaker 1: And they aren't holding back on the past enablers either. 540 00:25:56,599 --> 00:25:59,759 The source prominently mentions Alex Acosta and Bill. 541 00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 2: Barr Acosta who cut the original infamous sweetheart deal for 542 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,920 Epstein in Florida back in the day, the deal that 543 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:11,640 essentially let him continue his abuse for another decade. And 544 00:26:11,759 --> 00:26:14,440 Bill Barr who oversaw the DOJ when Epstein died in 545 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,240 jail under very, let's say, suspicious circumstances. The source refers 546 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,720 to them as liars who should be prosecuted for perjury. 547 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:24,160 The core argument is that the government failed the victims 548 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:29,160 in every single turn, spanning multiple administrations, but specifically protected 549 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:30,400 by these powerful figures. 550 00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:33,960 Speaker 1: And while all this is burning down websites, crashing photos, 551 00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:38,440 leaking death threats, flying around depositions, what is the response 552 00:26:38,519 --> 00:26:42,759 from the current DOJ leadership? What is Pambondi actually doing? 553 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:46,119 Speaker 2: She posted a selfie video a selfie video while the 554 00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:49,079 website was allegedly being scrubbed of evidence. She posted a 555 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:53,240 video telling a heartwarming folksy story about Donald Trump hanging 556 00:26:53,279 --> 00:26:54,759 a painting at a golf course. 557 00:26:54,920 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: You are kidding, No. 558 00:26:56,880 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 2: She talked glowingly about his attention to detail, because he 559 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,440 climbed a ladder to manually hang a portrait. 560 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,720 Speaker 1: Is that is the textbook definition of look over here. 561 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:08,519 It is jingling keys in front of a baby while 562 00:27:08,559 --> 00:27:11,599 the house is literally on fire behind you. It feels 563 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,720 almost insulting to the basic intelligence of the American people. 564 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:17,359 Speaker 2: It is a calculated distraction tactic. Yeah, and the source 565 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:20,400 spends time speculating on the why why do this now? 566 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:22,119 Why so brazenly? 567 00:27:22,319 --> 00:27:23,200 Speaker 1: What is the main theory? 568 00:27:23,240 --> 00:27:27,319 Speaker 2: There several reasons. First, to protect Lutnik. He is a 569 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,359 high level appointee, the Commerce secretary. You cannot have your 570 00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,839 Commerce secretary linked to a child trafficking island. It completely 571 00:27:34,839 --> 00:27:38,680 destroys his credibility on the world stage. Second, to distract 572 00:27:38,759 --> 00:27:40,880 the news cycle from the State of the Union address. 573 00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,759 And third, and arguably most importantly, to keep those three 574 00:27:44,839 --> 00:27:47,839 O twos, those raw witness statements, buried. 575 00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,559 Speaker 1: Forever, because if those three O twos come out, if 576 00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,480 the public actually reads the rawed interviews of what the 577 00:27:53,519 --> 00:27:56,839 survivors said, the game is totally over. The narrative control 578 00:27:56,960 --> 00:27:58,519 collapses completely. 579 00:27:58,160 --> 00:28:01,279 Speaker 2: Exactly if the public sees the raw data, the carefully 580 00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:04,039 constructed pr stories fall apart in an instant. 581 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:07,079 Speaker 1: So let's recap the threads we have pulled today, because 582 00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,440 when you stack them all up, it is overwhelming. 583 00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:12,400 Speaker 2: We have a verified photograph that proves the Commerce Secretary 584 00:28:12,519 --> 00:28:15,200 lied about his relationship with a convicted sex trafficker. 585 00:28:15,240 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 1: We have a government website that magically went dark specifically 586 00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:19,920 to hide that exact photograph. 587 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: We have a memo from the top ordering the destruction 588 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,200 or suppression of over ninety FBI witness reports. 589 00:28:25,519 --> 00:28:28,599 Speaker 1: We have a billionaire witness being threatened with death by 590 00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:30,559 his own lawyer in a formal deposition. 591 00:28:30,839 --> 00:28:34,440 Speaker 2: And we have a coordinated distraction campaign involving UFOs and 592 00:28:34,559 --> 00:28:37,880 golf course paintings to keep the public from looking into truth. 593 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 1: It is a machine. It is a massive machine designed 594 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,920 to protect power at the absolute expense of truth and frankly, 595 00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:46,920 at the expense of the victims who have been waiting 596 00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:48,599 decades for real justice. 597 00:28:48,759 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: And that raises the final, truly provocative question for everyone 598 00:28:52,759 --> 00:28:56,960 listening today. If they are working this hard, shutting down servers, 599 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:01,400 threatening billionaires withholding files, just hide a single photo of 600 00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,960 the Commerce secretary, what is in the files that they 601 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:04,960 haven't let slip yet. 602 00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:06,680 Speaker 1: That is the question that keeps me up at night. 603 00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:09,079 If this is what accidentally slipped through the cracks, what 604 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:10,519 is still hidden behind the wall. 605 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,319 Speaker 2: The glitch wasn't an error, It was a symptom of 606 00:29:13,359 --> 00:29:15,039 something much much larger. 607 00:29:15,319 --> 00:29:17,279 Speaker 1: We want to know exactly where you stand on this. 608 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:21,759 Is this mere incompetence, Is it just a buggy website 609 00:29:21,759 --> 00:29:25,000 from an underfunded IT department? Or is the Department of 610 00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,240 Justice acting as a personal defense firm for the administration. 611 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,400 Leave a comment below let us know what you think 612 00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:31,240 about the glitch that. 613 00:29:31,279 --> 00:29:35,319 Speaker 2: Wasn't We read every single response. This conversation is really 614 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:35,960 just starting. 615 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,079 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us on thrilling threads. Keep pulling the string. 616 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:40,279 Speaker 2: Goodbye everyone, See 617 00:29:40,319 --> 00:29:40,799 Speaker 1: You next time.