WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.120 --> 00:00:03.080 High week for the youths, bye week for BYU, but 2 00:00:03.160 --> 00:00:05.719 a lot of college football this weekend. So let's bring 3 00:00:05.719 --> 00:00:07.960 in one of our favorites on a Friday, my buddy 4 00:00:07.960 --> 00:00:10.080 Max Brown, to get us ready for the weekend ahead. 5 00:00:10.080 --> 00:00:11.160 Max. Happy Friday, buddy. 6 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:13.039 How are we doing every Friday? 7 00:00:13.039 --> 00:00:14.199 Spen's doing well? How are you? 8 00:00:14.439 --> 00:00:16.160 I'm good, I'm good. So let's get this out of 9 00:00:16.199 --> 00:00:18.480 the way. Did we dress up for Halloween? Did we 10 00:00:18.480 --> 00:00:21.440 go trick or treating? What was the Max Brown Halloween experience? 11 00:00:21.519 --> 00:00:24.199 Like, dude, this is the first time I hadn't dressed 12 00:00:24.239 --> 00:00:25.960 up in a little while. But it was funny last 13 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:29.079 night because I saw mccullay colchin dress up as Joe Burrow, 14 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:31.039 which when people stop me on the street, those are 15 00:00:31.079 --> 00:00:33.479 the two dudes that people say, I look like. 16 00:00:33.520 --> 00:00:34.960 I was Joe Burrow two years ago. 17 00:00:35.439 --> 00:00:38.079 I was Travis Kelce and my wife was Taylor Swift 18 00:00:38.159 --> 00:00:41.159 last year before it got super trendy. So I'm usually 19 00:00:41.159 --> 00:00:44.039 in the spirit, but this year I find myself on 20 00:00:44.079 --> 00:00:44.439 the road. 21 00:00:45.039 --> 00:00:47.200 You can't drop that on me to start the interview, 22 00:00:47.200 --> 00:00:48.880 because now I've got your Twitter pulled up. You do 23 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:52.079 look like a hybrid of McAuley Cochin and Joe Burrow. 24 00:00:52.119 --> 00:00:53.039 I've never realized that. 25 00:00:53.799 --> 00:00:56.600 Yeah, I get, social media says if Peyton Manning and 26 00:00:56.679 --> 00:01:00.000 Joe Burrow had a child with Peyton Manning's five head 27 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.560 and Joe Burrow's, I guess it's the hairstyle. I don't 28 00:01:03.600 --> 00:01:06.280 even know skinning complexion or whatever, but yeah, I get. 29 00:01:06.719 --> 00:01:08.959 Someone stops me said that, look like Joe Burrow literally 30 00:01:09.079 --> 00:01:10.000 once every other week. 31 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:12.239 I can see that I've never put that together. I 32 00:01:12.319 --> 00:01:14.840 usually pride myself on those type of comps. But we'll 33 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:17.560 move on. Nobody gives a rip, all right, Max, Our 34 00:01:17.599 --> 00:01:19.840 local teams are on a bye, So let's just start 35 00:01:19.840 --> 00:01:21.599 with a couple of thoughts here, and then let's get 36 00:01:21.680 --> 00:01:24.719 ready for some games this weekend. And let's start with 37 00:01:25.280 --> 00:01:28.159 the bad, the disappointing, the Utah Utes. And look, as 38 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:30.480 I've said all week, I get a lot of things wrong. 39 00:01:30.519 --> 00:01:33.159 I'm fine saying that is a radio host. I don't 40 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:35.439 know that I've ever been as wrong as I've been 41 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:38.680 about anything as far as how wrong I've been with 42 00:01:38.719 --> 00:01:42.680 his Utah football team. Four straight l's and now we're 43 00:01:42.719 --> 00:01:46.079 back to a quarterback situation where Isaac Wilson and Brandon 44 00:01:46.159 --> 00:01:48.920 Rose are going to split the reps and by us 45 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:51.319 in town coming up next Saturday. Just want to get 46 00:01:51.319 --> 00:01:52.760 some thoughts from you on the utes today. 47 00:01:53.879 --> 00:01:56.280 Yeah, whatever something like this happens, which obviously I mean 48 00:01:56.280 --> 00:01:59.319 for Utah this is a first time under under Kyle 49 00:01:59.319 --> 00:02:01.280 wedding hand, But when you know teams don't live up 50 00:02:01.280 --> 00:02:03.680 to expectations that you have coordinators and guys on the 51 00:02:03.719 --> 00:02:05.359 team that have had a lot of success, I always 52 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:08.319 go kind of more like big picture, like more culture 53 00:02:08.479 --> 00:02:10.400 and emotion and like all right, what what what? What 54 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:14.120 changed here? And just zooming out again. I'm not following 55 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.240 the beat, like I know a lot of locally Utah 56 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:19.360 fans are as much, but from a national level, like 57 00:02:19.400 --> 00:02:21.919 what changed? Right? This is the first year where you know, 58 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:25.479 Utah at least all off season was the top dog 59 00:02:25.759 --> 00:02:29.560 and the expectations were were shooting high in Utah had 60 00:02:29.639 --> 00:02:31.879 high expectations. But even then when they were in the 61 00:02:31.919 --> 00:02:34.840 Pac twelve, it still felt like you had every reason 62 00:02:34.879 --> 00:02:38.360 to talk about Oregon, Washington, USC or you know, I 63 00:02:38.400 --> 00:02:40.479 know ASU had a year there and there a little 64 00:02:40.520 --> 00:02:42.159 bit and there was there was you know, schools that 65 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:44.120 popped in there, pop up in there. But you feel 66 00:02:44.120 --> 00:02:46.240 like you always Utah could have that edge. Yes we 67 00:02:46.280 --> 00:02:48.360 knew we had talent, Yes they knew they had good players, 68 00:02:48.400 --> 00:02:50.199 Yes we knew they had a great head coach. But 69 00:02:50.240 --> 00:02:52.960 it was almost like, hey, we're the underdog. And it's 70 00:02:53.000 --> 00:02:55.360 got me thinking that just from a you know, zooming 71 00:02:55.400 --> 00:02:57.960 out that like this was the year where no one 72 00:02:58.080 --> 00:03:01.080 was counting them out and they were door border line. 73 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:03.919 I would say most people's big twelve pick across the board. 74 00:03:04.080 --> 00:03:07.319 And I wonder, if you know, you start to buying 75 00:03:07.360 --> 00:03:09.520 into that a little bit, losing your edge a little bit. 76 00:03:09.719 --> 00:03:14.199 And I do think the roller coaster that's been cam 77 00:03:14.319 --> 00:03:17.360 rising is not insignificant, but obviously it's bigger. 78 00:03:17.039 --> 00:03:17.520 Than just that. 79 00:03:17.719 --> 00:03:22.319 And you know, the Whittingham coach news coaching waiting, I 80 00:03:22.319 --> 00:03:25.639 think is interesting and unique for a locker room. At 81 00:03:25.639 --> 00:03:28.000 the time, I didn't think anything of it because I'm like, oh, 82 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.120 coach William, he'll handle it. 83 00:03:30.159 --> 00:03:31.360 But then looking back, you have. 84 00:03:31.319 --> 00:03:34.120 To wonder if that just I don't know, lessons that 85 00:03:34.319 --> 00:03:35.840 edge is the best way I can put it. For 86 00:03:35.840 --> 00:03:38.159 a Utah team that's prided themselves and had a lot 87 00:03:38.199 --> 00:03:40.759 of success with that edge over the past decade. 88 00:03:40.680 --> 00:03:43.199 Tell me from a quarterback standpoint. You know, we had 89 00:03:43.199 --> 00:03:45.560 Scott Mitchell to speak to this a couple of weeks ago, 90 00:03:46.240 --> 00:03:49.960 and Scott, you know, Scott talked about from his vantage point, 91 00:03:50.080 --> 00:03:52.360 if he was the starter, he wanted all the reps 92 00:03:52.400 --> 00:03:52.919 with the ones. 93 00:03:52.960 --> 00:03:54.319 He did not want to split them. 94 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:57.000 And we know the Cameron and Isaac at one point 95 00:03:57.000 --> 00:03:59.159 we're splitting the reps with the ones, and now Cameron 96 00:03:59.199 --> 00:04:01.280 shut down for the year. But now we hear that 97 00:04:01.360 --> 00:04:04.240 Brandon and Isaac are splitting reps with the ones. From 98 00:04:04.280 --> 00:04:06.680 your advantage point, what does that say about where we're 99 00:04:06.719 --> 00:04:07.960 at with the quarterback spot. 100 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:11.639 It says that you're searching for answers, which is an 101 00:04:11.680 --> 00:04:13.680 obvious statement for sure at this point in the season. 102 00:04:13.840 --> 00:04:16.480 I think for me, you know, splitting the reps is 103 00:04:16.480 --> 00:04:18.160 one thing if you have you know, if it's the 104 00:04:18.240 --> 00:04:20.439 NFL and you have two quarterbacks that have played a 105 00:04:20.439 --> 00:04:22.839 lot of football and so they don't they don't need 106 00:04:23.040 --> 00:04:27.000 those practice reps from just a sheer like I need 107 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:30.439 that experience. Obviously, any player across any sports could use 108 00:04:30.480 --> 00:04:33.079 practice reps to get acclimated to the game plan. But 109 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:35.879 when you're you know, a true freshman quarterback, every rep 110 00:04:36.079 --> 00:04:37.560 at least you should. 111 00:04:37.680 --> 00:04:38.480 Be learning something. 112 00:04:38.519 --> 00:04:40.600 It's a new look, it's a even if it's not 113 00:04:40.639 --> 00:04:43.040 a new look, it's something that you're getting more accustomed to. 114 00:04:43.240 --> 00:04:45.920 So that's where it gets more concerning for me of like, hey, 115 00:04:45.920 --> 00:04:49.639 you're taking away a growth opportunity. But on the same side, 116 00:04:50.160 --> 00:04:52.319 he's been given a lot of starts and a lot 117 00:04:52.319 --> 00:04:54.279 of experience so far this season that at a certain 118 00:04:54.319 --> 00:04:59.000 point to the coach's responsibility, you you have a duty 119 00:04:59.120 --> 00:05:02.399 to try to finance that position, and if the quarterback 120 00:05:02.439 --> 00:05:06.800 isn't at that at a winning level, I understand the decision, 121 00:05:06.800 --> 00:05:09.759 but it's delicate, and I think having been I've never 122 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:12.279 been in a split rep situation, but I have been 123 00:05:12.279 --> 00:05:14.959 in a situation where you're playing on playing two guys 124 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:17.240 in a game. And if that's the case, then I 125 00:05:17.279 --> 00:05:20.680 think out goes the window of having complex game plans 126 00:05:20.680 --> 00:05:23.759 that imagine it's going to be very base install knowing 127 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.279 that whoever's behind center can operate at least in the 128 00:05:27.319 --> 00:05:29.199 passing game. Running game maybe a little bit different, but 129 00:05:29.199 --> 00:05:31.120 at least in the passing game. It's concepts that those 130 00:05:31.120 --> 00:05:33.279 guys have repped all off season. 131 00:05:33.879 --> 00:05:37.040 I think the most impressive, well, just for me. The 132 00:05:37.079 --> 00:05:39.959 most impressive element of the start for Briging me ONNG 133 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:44.519 is just how productive they've been across the board so 134 00:05:44.800 --> 00:05:49.040 real quick. Seventeen players have scored a touchdown, eleven players 135 00:05:49.079 --> 00:05:52.360 have a pick, eight players have a sack, So like, 136 00:05:52.800 --> 00:05:56.000 this isn't just a one trick pony. They're complementary. They've 137 00:05:56.000 --> 00:05:59.360 been great in all three phases. But the same question 138 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:01.920 we're sitting here b YU eight and no climbing up 139 00:06:01.920 --> 00:06:03.480 the polls, what do you make of the start for 140 00:06:03.800 --> 00:06:04.319 bringing me on? 141 00:06:05.480 --> 00:06:08.399 It's awesome to see and it works in contrast to 142 00:06:08.439 --> 00:06:10.319 the rest of the rest of the country. It feels 143 00:06:10.360 --> 00:06:13.680 like you know you have in that top ten, top fifteen. 144 00:06:13.720 --> 00:06:16.199 It's all about the star teams, I think, or the 145 00:06:16.199 --> 00:06:18.560 star players, I should say, right, Like a team like 146 00:06:18.600 --> 00:06:20.480 Miami is getting the benefit of the doubt. A team 147 00:06:20.519 --> 00:06:24.199 like Ohio State after a poor performance last week, they're 148 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:25.800 getting the benefit of the doubt. But then you have 149 00:06:25.879 --> 00:06:29.720 teams like BYU and I'd put my Alma Manor in there, 150 00:06:29.759 --> 00:06:33.680 the pitt Panthers, where it truly is a team effort. 151 00:06:33.800 --> 00:06:34.399 It truly is. 152 00:06:34.399 --> 00:06:37.319 We're relying on all twenty two starters and special teams 153 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:39.160 to get it done, and it's a new player every 154 00:06:39.199 --> 00:06:42.720 single week. And what impressed me about BYUS They're able 155 00:06:42.759 --> 00:06:45.120 to beat you in different ways. And I think it'll 156 00:06:45.120 --> 00:06:49.120 be interesting of just as this plays out if BYU. 157 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:50.199 Continues to take care of business. 158 00:06:50.240 --> 00:06:54.759 Obviously obviously they go undefeated therein But what gets interesting is, 159 00:06:55.240 --> 00:06:58.000 you know, if they were to lose in a conference 160 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.720 championship type game. And again I say about pitt over 161 00:07:00.720 --> 00:07:03.879 there in the acc UH and they're they're a one 162 00:07:03.920 --> 00:07:06.439 loss team. If you're a BYU fan, you should be 163 00:07:06.480 --> 00:07:09.120 saying we shouldn't get punished for a conference championship loss 164 00:07:09.120 --> 00:07:11.480 for one lost team. That shouldn't work against us. But 165 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:13.839 when you look at Hey, that that those teams on 166 00:07:13.879 --> 00:07:17.759 the border, whether it's a whether it's a two potentially 167 00:07:17.759 --> 00:07:20.279 three lost Texas A and M or in Alabama, whether 168 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:24.199 it's UH a one loss Miami if they were to 169 00:07:24.240 --> 00:07:27.079 losing their conference championship game or you know, two loss 170 00:07:27.120 --> 00:07:30.000 Clemson or something like that, it becomes your your splitting 171 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:31.600 hairs there. And I'm fascinated. 172 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:33.839 I say it in the context of this question. 173 00:07:33.920 --> 00:07:37.839 But because BYU doesn't have the style points, they don't 174 00:07:37.839 --> 00:07:39.000 have these huge. 175 00:07:38.800 --> 00:07:40.000 High profile players. 176 00:07:40.839 --> 00:07:44.439 They are getting more national recognition week by week. But 177 00:07:44.480 --> 00:07:47.040 when you come from a voting standpoint, I'm interested to 178 00:07:47.079 --> 00:07:50.319 see if a BYU winning style again, I put pit 179 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:53.319 in the same boat, if that is sexy enough to 180 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:55.079 get them over the hump, if we get in a 181 00:07:55.079 --> 00:07:58.279 decision point where you know it's them versus another team 182 00:07:58.319 --> 00:07:58.879 trying to get in the. 183 00:07:58.839 --> 00:08:02.240 Playoff before you move off our local teams. 184 00:08:02.279 --> 00:08:05.839 One more question here, because you know rivalry games are tricky, 185 00:08:06.120 --> 00:08:09.360 they get weird regardless. There have been very few, and 186 00:08:09.560 --> 00:08:13.720 I grew up going to to BYU Utah, then I 187 00:08:13.800 --> 00:08:16.120 went to school a Utah. Now eighteen years in the media, 188 00:08:16.120 --> 00:08:18.879 I've covered a ton of these games, and there may 189 00:08:18.879 --> 00:08:21.399 have been one or two years over the course of 190 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:24.160 this game where I felt confident that one team was 191 00:08:24.199 --> 00:08:26.319 going to just tear apart the other. More often than not, 192 00:08:26.519 --> 00:08:28.879 something zany happens, something weird happens. 193 00:08:29.480 --> 00:08:29.959 BYU. 194 00:08:30.000 --> 00:08:32.799 According to DraftKings, is a four point five point favorite 195 00:08:32.799 --> 00:08:35.159 that actually feels like a lot based off the chaos 196 00:08:35.159 --> 00:08:38.320 that can ensue. But Utah football does not deserve the 197 00:08:38.320 --> 00:08:41.559 benefit of the doubt right now. Utah still has a 198 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:45.000 very good defense. The metrics say most of their numbers 199 00:08:45.039 --> 00:08:47.639 are top three or four outside of sacks and forced 200 00:08:47.639 --> 00:08:51.320 fumbles and turnovers. But just meeting potatoes, they're good rush 201 00:08:51.399 --> 00:08:54.519 defense or good pass defense. And you know, Jake Retz 202 00:08:54.559 --> 00:08:56.919 laugh still two or three times a game makes decisions 203 00:08:56.960 --> 00:09:00.159 where you go, dude, you know, like pump the brakes man. 204 00:09:00.279 --> 00:09:03.120 So so I don't know what's going to happen. 205 00:09:03.159 --> 00:09:05.320 But from your advantage point as somebody who's played in 206 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:08.720 rivalry games, what what makes next Saturday potentially such a 207 00:09:08.720 --> 00:09:09.320 wild card? 208 00:09:11.399 --> 00:09:14.960 Oh that's a good question, I would say, probably to 209 00:09:15.000 --> 00:09:16.879 what you just alluded to. I don't think you have 210 00:09:17.080 --> 00:09:21.480 a either quarterback obviously Utah searching for answers and BYU 211 00:09:21.519 --> 00:09:23.799 red flop. He's done good things. But to your point, 212 00:09:23.879 --> 00:09:25.639 there's there a few plays a game where you're like, yeah, 213 00:09:25.639 --> 00:09:29.039 I'm not really sure. And he's also kind of really 214 00:09:29.480 --> 00:09:32.799 put a brand on he's got these he's got these gutsy, 215 00:09:34.360 --> 00:09:36.840 timely throws that you're kind of sitting there like, man, 216 00:09:36.879 --> 00:09:40.159 if he doesn't, if the game shakes out where he's 217 00:09:40.200 --> 00:09:42.360 not getting those throws, or at dB just gets one 218 00:09:42.360 --> 00:09:44.559 more hand up, or it's instead of third and eight 219 00:09:44.600 --> 00:09:46.639 and it's manageable, it's third and ten and eleven, and 220 00:09:46.679 --> 00:09:49.000 that that throw becomes a bit more difficult, like it's 221 00:09:49.039 --> 00:09:51.440 only a matter of time before things catch up to 222 00:09:51.519 --> 00:09:53.480 him kind of energy, and that hasn't happened this season, 223 00:09:53.519 --> 00:09:55.279 which he deserves a ton of credit for because he's 224 00:09:55.279 --> 00:09:57.320 final ways to win and that's obviously. 225 00:09:57.159 --> 00:09:58.879 The most important things with the kV position. 226 00:09:59.000 --> 00:10:02.080 But I think that element of hey, if you have 227 00:10:02.120 --> 00:10:05.000 a quarter or two where one of these quarterbacks either 228 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:07.360 wakes up on the Utah side, because we have seen 229 00:10:07.399 --> 00:10:09.759 flashes of that at least early earlier on in this season, 230 00:10:10.200 --> 00:10:12.519 or if BYU redslov if it is an off night 231 00:10:12.639 --> 00:10:15.799 and the ball bounces Utah's way in the passing game, 232 00:10:15.879 --> 00:10:19.360 that to me is the dynamic that that could shake 233 00:10:19.399 --> 00:10:20.759 this thing. And I feel like the old adage of 234 00:10:20.840 --> 00:10:23.120 rivalry games you never know what's going to happen, applies 235 00:10:23.200 --> 00:10:25.720 to any rivalry in college football, but this year, especially 236 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:28.519 where you have a BYU team where at least nationally, 237 00:10:28.519 --> 00:10:30.720 I think there's a corner of the of the media 238 00:10:30.840 --> 00:10:32.600 world that's like, all right, BYU, it's only a matter 239 00:10:32.639 --> 00:10:34.279 of time before they stub their toe. And then on 240 00:10:34.320 --> 00:10:37.399 the flip side, Utah's an underperforming team, and so those 241 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:41.200 two contrast each other, which should make up for hopefully. 242 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:41.840 A good rivalry games. 243 00:10:42.159 --> 00:10:45.159 So I was surprised to read this morning that Iowa 244 00:10:45.240 --> 00:10:48.279 State is ninety ninth in the country in rush defense, 245 00:10:48.519 --> 00:10:51.720 just behind Bowling Green and just ahead of U Mass. 246 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:54.840 I really, I'll be honest, I had no clue that 247 00:10:54.840 --> 00:10:57.399 that was the deal. They're getting thirteen and a half 248 00:10:57.480 --> 00:11:00.279 at home against Texas Tech, who is one of the 249 00:11:00.320 --> 00:11:02.639 most potent offense is in the Big Twelve. If you're 250 00:11:02.679 --> 00:11:06.080 a BYU fan, you're watching this game closely? Is I 251 00:11:06.159 --> 00:11:09.000 was staying on upset watch coming up against Texas Tech. 252 00:11:09.039 --> 00:11:11.840 You think I'm about the stance that I mean we 253 00:11:11.840 --> 00:11:13.679 talked about two weeks ago, and I was on with you, 254 00:11:14.159 --> 00:11:16.679 like the Big twelve is fun to watch. I think Chancewsch, Yes, 255 00:11:16.720 --> 00:11:20.360 they're on upset alert because that chunk of seven eight teams, 256 00:11:20.879 --> 00:11:22.840 I mean, they all can show up and play and 257 00:11:22.879 --> 00:11:24.759 even I mean at this point Utah, I know it 258 00:11:24.759 --> 00:11:28.200 hasn't been pretty, but like, no, Utah is not going 259 00:11:28.279 --> 00:11:30.159 to be an easy out TCU. I had them in 260 00:11:30.159 --> 00:11:32.200 person earlier on in the season. They have two NFL 261 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:34.960 receivers and a capable offense. I know Utah shut them down, 262 00:11:35.000 --> 00:11:37.720 but like I think that's the story of the Big 263 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:40.279 Twelve this year. And that line happened with you. That's 264 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:42.759 a lot of points, but all these teams down the stretch. 265 00:11:42.759 --> 00:11:44.960 I think that's what's so impressive about BYU too, is 266 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:49.879 with how volatile the Big twelve's done or how vultale 267 00:11:49.879 --> 00:11:52.720 it's been, BYU's been the most consistent team. And that's 268 00:11:52.720 --> 00:11:55.759 another thing with Texas Tech too. That loss was Washington 269 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:58.279 State where they absolutely got blown. 270 00:11:58.120 --> 00:11:58.919 Out of the water. 271 00:11:59.320 --> 00:12:01.559 It'll be into and as we fast forward to with 272 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:07.159 a potentially one loss Boise State. If Washington State finishes 273 00:12:07.159 --> 00:12:09.360 the year with one loss, like all those questions will 274 00:12:09.399 --> 00:12:12.799 be interesting for a Texas Tech team as we're trying 275 00:12:12.799 --> 00:12:14.200 to connect the dots there so. 276 00:12:14.279 --> 00:12:16.960 The eyes of the college football world, Happy Valley. I 277 00:12:17.000 --> 00:12:19.519 have been there one time. We went and saw BYU 278 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:22.320 Penn State game back in like ninety two. Yes, I'm old, 279 00:12:22.360 --> 00:12:26.519 don't send dms Ohio. Ohio State's getting three here. Both 280 00:12:26.600 --> 00:12:29.960 James Franklin and Ryan Day not great against top five opponents, 281 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:32.240 but one of them will win. What do you think 282 00:12:32.279 --> 00:12:35.039 plays out as Penn State is taking on Ohio State. 283 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:36.840 Ohio State there in Happy Valley. 284 00:12:37.919 --> 00:12:39.919 The first thing that jumps out is this is not 285 00:12:40.000 --> 00:12:42.600 a night game, which I think is huge for Ohio State. 286 00:12:42.679 --> 00:12:45.960 Obviously they'll they'll still show up, but I played, I 287 00:12:45.960 --> 00:12:48.399 played in Happy Valley during the day, and I was 288 00:12:48.440 --> 00:12:50.960 thankful as the opposing quarterback that that was the case 289 00:12:51.039 --> 00:12:53.799 because it's at least, in my opinion, manageable. Again, it's 290 00:12:53.840 --> 00:12:56.000 going to be loud, don't get be wrong, but to 291 00:12:56.039 --> 00:12:58.200 not have that white out in under the lights. 292 00:12:58.000 --> 00:12:59.559 Is a big deal. 293 00:12:59.600 --> 00:13:03.320 This this'll be interesting because there's an anxiety around the 294 00:13:03.360 --> 00:13:06.320 Ohio State program that I think is unique only to. 295 00:13:06.279 --> 00:13:06.879 The Buck Eyes. 296 00:13:06.879 --> 00:13:09.279 There's a lot of programs that have puns to expectations 297 00:13:09.399 --> 00:13:12.120 and tons of fan base that have the standard is 298 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:17.279 extremely high, borderline unrealistic. But man, just watching Will Howard's 299 00:13:17.320 --> 00:13:21.759 press conferences, just the sense around Ryan Day, it very 300 00:13:21.840 --> 00:13:24.919 much feels like they're like, this is the season where 301 00:13:24.960 --> 00:13:27.000 they either have to get over the hump and take 302 00:13:27.039 --> 00:13:29.960 care of business in these types of games, or who knows, 303 00:13:29.960 --> 00:13:32.840 maybe Ohio State's going to go in a different direction. 304 00:13:32.919 --> 00:13:35.879 On the flip side for Penn State. This is why 305 00:13:35.960 --> 00:13:38.799 you made the change at offensive coordinator to go get 306 00:13:38.799 --> 00:13:40.759 Andy cole Nicki to win these games. 307 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:41.879 Ohio State Michigan. 308 00:13:41.919 --> 00:13:45.360 That's been the crux for James Franklin. So anxiety on 309 00:13:45.360 --> 00:13:48.399 one hand for the buck Eyes. I think internally the 310 00:13:48.399 --> 00:13:52.120 Penn State James Franklin probably feels that anxiety. I think 311 00:13:52.120 --> 00:13:55.000 outwardly he doesn't show it as much. But this is 312 00:13:55.039 --> 00:13:58.320 a critical game for both teams. I still have both 313 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:01.039 these teams getting in the Cultural Playoff when it's said 314 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:03.279 and done, but it could be the difference of one 315 00:14:03.360 --> 00:14:05.960 team being on the fringe and maybe getting booted out 316 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:07.679 of the playoff when it's all said and done, and 317 00:14:07.759 --> 00:14:11.279 the other team potentually getting a first round by and 318 00:14:11.279 --> 00:14:12.240 and hosting a playoff. 319 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:13.799 So a huge one regardless. 320 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:16.559 So I've heard more than a few people say that 321 00:14:16.639 --> 00:14:19.240 there's a world that exists for Michigan to make it 322 00:14:19.240 --> 00:14:22.279 into the CFP, even though they have three losses. But 323 00:14:22.360 --> 00:14:24.639 they have to run the table, and I suppose the 324 00:14:24.679 --> 00:14:27.039 reasoning is they have Oregon, the number one team in 325 00:14:27.039 --> 00:14:30.559 the country, then they're at Indiana and they closed against 326 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:33.200 Ohio State. I would be stunned if they get all 327 00:14:33.200 --> 00:14:36.159 those wins based off of what we've seen. But Oregon 328 00:14:36.320 --> 00:14:38.759 is at the Big House coming up tomorrow. What do 329 00:14:38.799 --> 00:14:40.120 you make of that matchup? How do you think it 330 00:14:40.120 --> 00:14:40.600 plays out? 331 00:14:42.919 --> 00:14:46.360 I mean, it'll be interesting with Michigan's quarterback Jack Tuttle 332 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:49.120 announced that he'll be retiring, so they'll have to go 333 00:14:49.200 --> 00:14:52.440 back to back to the well with the the two 334 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:55.360 guys that started this season. So again similar to Utah 335 00:14:55.399 --> 00:14:58.200 in that regard of having to having to find quarterback answers. 336 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:01.360 Oregon's been rolling ever since that. I mean, they got 337 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:04.720 out physical versus Poise State, made the shakeup at offensive line, 338 00:15:04.720 --> 00:15:07.159 and I like the Ducks. I thought the Purdue game, 339 00:15:07.240 --> 00:15:09.600 like Mini Folks, was a trap game, and they responded 340 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:12.600 after that one. So I expect or going to take 341 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:16.000 care of business. And to your point about that three 342 00:15:16.159 --> 00:15:20.200 loss Big Ten hypothetical Michigan getting into the playoffs. It's 343 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:22.440 interesting because before this season, when I was, you know, 344 00:15:22.519 --> 00:15:24.759 looking forward of like, hey, how could this thing shake out? 345 00:15:25.240 --> 00:15:27.480 I said, Hey, it might not be this year, but eventually, 346 00:15:27.559 --> 00:15:29.399 what we're gonna get a three loss team into the 347 00:15:29.399 --> 00:15:33.840 college football playoff just because as the game I think 348 00:15:33.960 --> 00:15:38.080 moves to a greater parody from teams call it ten 349 00:15:38.279 --> 00:15:41.799 through forty. I think that's a recipe for a potential 350 00:15:41.840 --> 00:15:43.399 three loss team to get in. But if you do 351 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.440 the math, like right now, right now, Alabama is the 352 00:15:46.480 --> 00:15:50.120 fifth SEC team in terms of the overall ranking. So 353 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.840 if you're thinking that the SEC gets in four and 354 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.240 maybe a fifth and then all the other conferences get one, like, 355 00:15:56.279 --> 00:15:57.960 you run out of a spot. So I at this 356 00:15:58.080 --> 00:15:59.960 stage in the season, I am not of the camp 357 00:16:00.120 --> 00:16:02.159 there's a path for Michigan to get in there. I 358 00:16:02.159 --> 00:16:05.399 think that three lost slot would be would be more 359 00:16:05.440 --> 00:16:07.879 so for the SEC team to get a fifth team in, 360 00:16:08.440 --> 00:16:09.519 But we'll see. 361 00:16:09.600 --> 00:16:12.080 Crazier things have happened before we get to your alma 362 00:16:12.159 --> 00:16:16.200 mater playing a SMU team that BYU handled pretty well 363 00:16:16.200 --> 00:16:16.759 on the road. 364 00:16:17.279 --> 00:16:19.360 Let me start with a general acc question. 365 00:16:19.639 --> 00:16:22.919 Miami's undefeated, but is there a world that exists where 366 00:16:22.960 --> 00:16:25.480 Clemson is actually the better team because after losing to 367 00:16:25.519 --> 00:16:26.679 Georgia they've stayed clean. 368 00:16:27.919 --> 00:16:30.320 I think so yeah. I don't even think that's a 369 00:16:30.399 --> 00:16:31.320 hot take, per se. 370 00:16:31.440 --> 00:16:34.200 I think Clemson's defensive line seems to be more productive 371 00:16:34.279 --> 00:16:37.159 or his defense in general. Miami's very much got the 372 00:16:37.279 --> 00:16:40.120 mentality of we're just going to outscore people and good 373 00:16:40.200 --> 00:16:42.759 luck keep it up with us, which is great when 374 00:16:42.799 --> 00:16:45.960 you're playing teams that are not top ten in the country. 375 00:16:46.039 --> 00:16:49.440 And I think unless Miami figures out that defensive equation, 376 00:16:49.679 --> 00:16:52.120 they could and Cam wore ones out of magic, they 377 00:16:52.120 --> 00:16:55.879 could they could get to stop at Clemson could be 378 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:58.720 right there at the top. And then again, I like 379 00:16:58.759 --> 00:17:01.320 what Pitt's doing. It's not the old the old pit 380 00:17:01.480 --> 00:17:04.319 and SMU at least is still in the equation. I 381 00:17:04.319 --> 00:17:07.359 think I worry about SMUs depth as we get into November, 382 00:17:07.680 --> 00:17:09.599 but all four of those teams still in the equation. 383 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:12.279 All right, let's move over before I say, you lose 384 00:17:12.319 --> 00:17:14.759 to your alma mater, and if you're a BYU fan, 385 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:17.480 you have to hope that SMU continues to play well 386 00:17:17.519 --> 00:17:20.079 because that makes your win against them look better. 387 00:17:20.119 --> 00:17:21.319 This isn't rocket science. 388 00:17:21.839 --> 00:17:24.680 It is in Dallas, SMU's a seven point favorite, but 389 00:17:24.720 --> 00:17:26.519 your boys have stayed clean. How do you think this 390 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:27.319 one plays out? 391 00:17:28.400 --> 00:17:30.559 I like that line for the Pitt Panthers, and that's 392 00:17:30.599 --> 00:17:32.920 not even just a hometown hometown route. I think in 393 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:36.359 years past when Narduzi's had a good team, I mean 394 00:17:36.400 --> 00:17:38.519 his best team was with Kenny Pickett when Kenny was 395 00:17:38.519 --> 00:17:40.240 one of the best quarterbacks in the country and they 396 00:17:40.240 --> 00:17:44.559 had Jordanadison out wide, and that seemed like to be just, 397 00:17:44.640 --> 00:17:46.720 you know, you kind of shruck two star players at 398 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:50.799 the right time with Nardoozi's identity. This season, though, they 399 00:17:50.839 --> 00:17:53.839 have the same defense that is flying around that is 400 00:17:53.880 --> 00:17:56.640 a very good college football defense. They might not necessarily 401 00:17:56.680 --> 00:17:58.960