Speaker 1: Okay, and we're back. So on that note, the Sony
Speaker 1: verse is absolutely falling apart. It is not good. God,
Speaker 1: it is crumbling.
Speaker 2: Speaking of cracks. God, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: Their Yeah, their whole house is just collapsing.
Speaker 2: It's it's horrible.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're just gonna talk about how this
Speaker 1: universe is pretty much dead after Craven, and I've seen
Speaker 1: some memes about like Venom four, Sinister six, different things
Speaker 1: like that, potential projects that I think could have had
Speaker 1: a lot of potential. Other people talking about how like
Speaker 1: Null from Venom three, like there's some stuff that they
Speaker 1: could have done with him, But who knows what they're
Speaker 1: gonna do with that character. If I don't know what
Speaker 1: I'm doning, Marvel's even gonna the MCU is going to
Speaker 1: tap into this at all. I don't know what was
Speaker 1: going on in the backboardrooms and how they got Tom
Speaker 1: Hardy's Venom thrown in there, and how those contracts work.
Speaker 1: But I don't think that that it's necessarily a five
Speaker 1: gy kind of decision. I feel like that was just
Speaker 1: we've talked about all that. So yeah, it's I digress.
Speaker 1: But the fact though that they're just kind of like
Speaker 1: giving up, Like what happens after the after this, like
Speaker 1: after Craven comes out, Craven's gonna bomb? And then do
Speaker 1: they just sit on on their ips? Do they sell them?
Speaker 1: What do you guys think?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the I think they just licensed
Speaker 3: them out to MCU probably for a while, and then
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know, I forget what the year
Speaker 3: number is where you have to like you have to
Speaker 3: make a movie every however many years, or like you
Speaker 3: just lose the ips something like that. Right, I feel
Speaker 3: like that, you know, they would they would keep doing that,
Speaker 3: but presumably they'll just like hang on to this unless
Speaker 3: they I mean, it seems like money wise, they've had
Speaker 3: a lot of issues recently, and like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: maybe they would look to sell. They could make a
Speaker 3: lot of money off selling Spider Man as a character.
Speaker 3: But I think, like I don't know, just license. It's easier.
Speaker 2: You get a chunk of money, you don't have to
Speaker 2: do anything.
Speaker 3: At all, You just sit there. That seems like the
Speaker 3: way to go. But yeah, part of the it seems
Speaker 3: like Craven's gonna be the last last movie in this universe.
Speaker 3: And there's even like another I saw a posted in
Speaker 3: our in the GV discord that was just like, uh,
Speaker 3: it turns out Craven's actually doing worse than the initial
Speaker 3: tracking in terms of like where it looks like it's
Speaker 3: gonna do on opening weekend, like Madam Web levels, which
Speaker 3: is or even less than Madam Web levels I think
Speaker 3: the articles said.
Speaker 4: Which is, yeah, maybe think back to our predictions. I'm
Speaker 4: pretty sure the number I gave was like eleven or something.
Speaker 4: It was it was pretty pretty very low. Yeah, it's
Speaker 4: kind of near where it's projecting. Yeah, you know, not
Speaker 4: too crazy off the yeah crazy I was thinking about
Speaker 4: Madam Web now my gosh, yeah, no, I I feel
Speaker 4: like it's like business suicide if they ever wanted to
Speaker 4: sell Spidy like it just seems like that is like
Speaker 4: an infinite money glitch just having that property. So I
Speaker 4: definitely would agree in just them licensing off like that.
Speaker 4: That seems like the I don't know, just like an
Speaker 4: easy way to stay afloat, and especially I feel like
Speaker 4: trusting it out to like MCU and stuff. Say what
Speaker 4: you will, but like the quality of the movies, they
Speaker 4: at least know how to make money off of them,
Speaker 4: whether that's through merch and dice or what they just
Speaker 4: the attractions and stuff that they do at like Disneyland
Speaker 4: and stuff. Now, like that's a whole thing of itself
Speaker 4: just going on. Like Spidey is so massive in Disneyland.
Speaker 4: So I just feel like, yeah, if they're able to
Speaker 4: get more appearances with those types of characters in just
Speaker 4: other Marvel movies, and that would be under of course,
Speaker 4: think the Disney manners. So I would say that would
Speaker 4: probably be the most likely outcome going forward. Eventually I'll
Speaker 4: be making their their their attempts at rebirthing this sure
Speaker 4: at some point, but hopefully you know, we have some time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I feel like the strategy of just
Speaker 3: like keep pumping out animated movies, make your next Spider verses.
Speaker 3: I know, Like I think it's like a movie did
Speaker 3: quite well at the box office. I think it was
Speaker 3: also very expensive. Uh so who knows how we're like
Speaker 3: the profit actually was on it. But if they can
Speaker 3: like reel that in and like treat the artists right
Speaker 3: and just like keep making those cool, You're you're making profit.
Speaker 3: Make hopefully one of those every like two or three years,
Speaker 3: Like you don't have to go to the length of
Speaker 3: Spider Verse just do some other animated stuff, keep cranking
Speaker 3: that stuff out, and then just like license out the
Speaker 3: character to like appear at MCU stuff, because yeah, if
Speaker 3: you're not doing your on like live action movies, and
Speaker 3: you're gonna have like the crossover stuff, which I feel
Speaker 3: like is half the reason a lot of people see
Speaker 3: these movies is like the chance that maybe a Spider
Speaker 3: Man or another character will pop up. Then it's like,
Speaker 3: oh no, it's just Craving in his own movie and
Speaker 3: Rhino and then there's no one else, which happens sometimes too,
Speaker 3: But yeah, I feel like that's that's the row crank
Speaker 3: of the animated stuff, license out the rest to MCU,
Speaker 3: and just infinite money glitch. As Kirkl said, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: feel like.
Speaker 4: The timing of like just getting that of like they're
Speaker 4: not moving forward after is it after Craven? I guess yeah,
Speaker 4: that's that's the last one. That's that's that's talked about.
Speaker 4: I I feel like it's also just like showcasing the
Speaker 4: lack of faith that they have in Craven, and like
Speaker 4: it also just for a general audience member if they're
Speaker 4: like thinking about going to see Craven but then they
Speaker 4: see this news It's like, like why would I go
Speaker 4: see this movie now right unless I was like really
Speaker 4: interested in the trailer and like specifically what this is
Speaker 4: them just the idea of like, oh, yeah, this looks
Speaker 4: like it might be a new character moving forward, and
Speaker 4: in this it's a weird word case study I'm kind
Speaker 4: of setting up of like someone that's really invested in
Speaker 4: the Sony universe.
Speaker 3: But I mean anyone who's invested would also know that
Speaker 3: like there's nothing announced after Craven like port. I think
Speaker 3: that might be like an excitement of like, oh, what's
Speaker 3: the post credit going to be? But I feel like
Speaker 3: it's probably not going to be anything because they don't
Speaker 3: have anything to go to.
Speaker 2: They're done totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just weird. Back in the day, I remember
Speaker 1: when they made these announcements, and I'm confident that they
Speaker 1: got a lot of flak back then because we weren't
Speaker 1: impressed by it, and we still aren't impressed by it.
Speaker 1: But they went ahead and they stuck to their guns
Speaker 1: and they put out all these different projects and now
Speaker 1: they have to reap what they sew. I guess is
Speaker 1: the term I would use for this. So it's unfortunate.
Speaker 4: Bankers boxes and find a new job.
Speaker 2: I find that's right.
Speaker 3: They should have ended on Venom Last Dance. Yeah, that
Speaker 3: would have been a much better I mean, not that
Speaker 3: it like closes out the universe in any sort of
Speaker 3: coherent way, but just the title of it, the idea,
Speaker 3: it being the trilogy, it being the most the only
Speaker 3: successful of the live action stuff. Just close it out
Speaker 3: with that, that would have been. That would have been the
Speaker 3: way to do it, I think.
Speaker 1: Especially because Craven feels like it's kickstarting something with the story,
Speaker 1: like a new adventure.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we'll see after the review, but maybe
Speaker 4: they should have just backgrilled this one and just tax Oh.
Speaker 2: Wow, tax right off.
Speaker 4: Don't let any project like fucking twelve million dollars and
Speaker 4: they're already closing down their doors in the whole Sony universe.
Speaker 3: Hopefully it had a small baby budget. Like I feel
Speaker 3: like Aaron Taylor Johnson is like your main man. I
Speaker 3: don't know if he's like, you know, he's not asking
Speaker 3: for Robert Downey Bucks to know in a movie, right.
Speaker 4: Maybe when they when they rebirth the Sony universe. Yeah,
Speaker 4: and that they want him, they want to get him
Speaker 4: back as a different character.
Speaker 1: I think the budget of this made it one hundred
Speaker 1: and ten million, make him more expensive than Sony's other
Speaker 1: non venom house.
Speaker 3: When I'm saying this trailer, I just see a guy
Speaker 3: jumping around.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Rhino guy is at least a few
Speaker 1: million right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: True, that's an insane budget. That's like more than Madame
Speaker 3: Webb made at all.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: So I all think back to Godzillas one, you know,
Speaker 4: nice Humble, what was it like, ten million dollar budget,
Speaker 4: crazy phenomenal film.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, just insane. I don't let any of this
Speaker 3: stop you guys from listening to our review on Thursdays.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the.
Speaker 3: Finale of yeah, like the awful nobody go see this. Yeah,
Speaker 3: just watch your review, don't watch the movie. We'll let
Speaker 3: you know it's presumably not worth watching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad to see that this isn't gonna like
Speaker 1: hurt Aaron Taylor Johnson's career, because we're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: another project he's in years later. Yeah yeah, yeah, So,
Speaker 1: I mean, I love I love that actor. He's he's
Speaker 1: fantastic and everything he does. I think he's gonna really
Speaker 1: bring it in this role.
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 1: But i'd have to. I would love to be a
Speaker 1: fly on the wall for that interview, because you know,
Speaker 1: you got a guy, you got his agent coming up
Speaker 1: to Aaron and like, Hey, Aaron ATJ, I got a
Speaker 1: role for you in another Superhoe project. Oh my back
Speaker 1: in Marvel, Like well, go kind of you're in the
Speaker 1: Sony Marvel movie. And guess what, They're not doing any
Speaker 1: more projects after this.
Speaker 2: It's dead.
Speaker 1: So it's a clean there's no way, well you don't
Speaker 1: have to worry about like a five movie contract or anything.
Speaker 1: This is a clean cut cash deal, like just trying
Speaker 1: to sell it to them.
Speaker 4: But it was like the who was it Sidney Sweeney
Speaker 4: that like didn't know that or I don't even know
Speaker 4: if that was a rumor or not if his speculation
Speaker 4: she didn't know it wasn't in the m c U.
Speaker 4: I just remember that being discussed. Maybe it was the
Speaker 4: same thing with A TJ. He thought he was in
Speaker 4: the MCU.
Speaker 1: But I think that the right, Yeah, he has I
Speaker 1: think that was Sidney Sweeney. I think she she did
Speaker 1: talk about something simihere similar to that s Bubs and
Speaker 1: the chat. Didn't they reshoot tone of this movies? That's
Speaker 1: probably the budget. If they're filming like an extra half
Speaker 1: movie on there, you don't want to see a lot
Speaker 1: of reshoots.
Speaker 2: That's uh, that's a dangerous game.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, there's a lot a lot of reshoots there,
Speaker 1: but topic for another day.
Speaker 4: Affect the budget though, Taylor, come on, the budget was
Speaker 4: no boosted the budget.
Speaker 2: I think we saved money.
Speaker 1: Anything else you guys have or want to drop on
Speaker 1: Craven and the Sony Verse being dead.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of I'm happy that I don't have to
Speaker 4: keep committee myself to these projects. You know, I feel
Speaker 4: like part of me gets a little bit interested. I'm
Speaker 4: not gonna say hyped or hopeful for what's gonna be coming,
Speaker 4: but just just enticed, like, Okay, a Craven solo movie,
Speaker 4: Like it's been an interesting character in the Spider Man universe,
Speaker 4: like animated series, cartoons and stuff like that. How are
Speaker 4: they gonna do it in a solo project? It's just
Speaker 4: so funny to me. How Like the interest level usually
Speaker 4: just goes right down the closer we get to the project,
Speaker 4: and like the more information we get, it's usually just
Speaker 4: the initial idea of what it like, like Madam Webb,
Speaker 4: you know, like when Sidney Sweets when Sidney Sweeney was
Speaker 4: cast as Julia Carpenter, which they changed her name Julia Cornwall.
Speaker 4: When I first got that announcement, though, I'm like, man,
Speaker 4: I was dreaming of this day, like I think she's
Speaker 4: perfect for that role. And then of course here I
Speaker 4: am now pretty much wishing I never even caught that.
Speaker 4: And uh, I don't like to have these thoughts about
Speaker 4: these movies. So let's take a break, Sony. And because
Speaker 4: this podcasting thing, it's like a it's like a contract
Speaker 4: with my soul. I have to watch these movies. I
Speaker 4: have to talk about them. I have to just go
Speaker 4: through the motions. And uh now I get a little break.
Speaker 4: So thanks, Tony.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's true, well said, I hope that it doesn't like
Speaker 1: you guys were talking about other spin offs, like you
Speaker 1: have your Miles morales like Spider Man. Yeah, don't stop those,
Speaker 1: don't stop those. They can keep at those. But I mean,
Speaker 1: I really don't need like an Ezekiel Simms Spider Guy
Speaker 1: dropped in a project, Like it's just that's not the
Speaker 1: Spider Man I want.
Speaker 2: I want a Spider Man, you know.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately it seems like Marvel MCUs there are the
Speaker 1: ones that are doing the actual Spider manning, because I'm
Speaker 1: pretty sure, Yeah, we got Spider Man four that's been
Speaker 1: cooking up and stuff.
Speaker 2: But again, topic for another day.
Speaker 1: H