Speaker 1: Okay, and we're back. So on that note, the Sony
verse is absolutely falling apart. It is not good. God,
it is crumbling.
Speaker 2: Speaking of cracks. God, yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: Their Yeah, their whole house is just collapsing.
Speaker 2: It's it's horrible.
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're just gonna talk about how this
universe is pretty much dead after Craven, and I've seen
some memes about like Venom four, Sinister six, different things
like that, potential projects that I think could have had
a lot of potential. Other people talking about how like
Null from Venom three, like there's some stuff that they
could have done with him, But who knows what they're
gonna do with that character. If I don't know what
I'm doning, Marvel's even gonna the MCU is going to
tap into this at all. I don't know what was
going on in the backboardrooms and how they got Tom
Hardy's Venom thrown in there, and how those contracts work.
But I don't think that that it's necessarily a five
gy kind of decision. I feel like that was just
we've talked about all that. So yeah, it's I digress.
But the fact though that they're just kind of like
giving up, Like what happens after the after this, like
after Craven comes out, Craven's gonna bomb? And then do
they just sit on on their ips? Do they sell them?
What do you guys think?
Speaker 3: I mean, I think the I think they just licensed
them out to MCU probably for a while, and then
I mean, I don't know, I forget what the year
number is where you have to like you have to
make a movie every however many years, or like you
just lose the ips something like that. Right, I feel
like that, you know, they would they would keep doing that,
but presumably they'll just like hang on to this unless
they I mean, it seems like money wise, they've had
a lot of issues recently, and like, I don't know,
maybe they would look to sell. They could make a
lot of money off selling Spider Man as a character.
But I think, like I don't know, just license. It's easier.
Speaker 2: You get a chunk of money, you don't have to
do anything.
Speaker 3: At all, You just sit there. That seems like the
way to go. But yeah, part of the it seems
like Craven's gonna be the last last movie in this universe.
And there's even like another I saw a posted in
our in the GV discord that was just like, uh,
it turns out Craven's actually doing worse than the initial
tracking in terms of like where it looks like it's
gonna do on opening weekend, like Madam Web levels, which
is or even less than Madam Web levels I think
the articles said.
Speaker 4: Which is, yeah, maybe think back to our predictions. I'm
pretty sure the number I gave was like eleven or something.
It was it was pretty pretty very low. Yeah, it's
kind of near where it's projecting. Yeah, you know, not
too crazy off the yeah crazy I was thinking about
Madam Web now my gosh, yeah, no, I I feel
like it's like business suicide if they ever wanted to
sell Spidy like it just seems like that is like
an infinite money glitch just having that property. So I
definitely would agree in just them licensing off like that.
That seems like the I don't know, just like an
easy way to stay afloat, and especially I feel like
trusting it out to like MCU and stuff. Say what
you will, but like the quality of the movies, they
at least know how to make money off of them,
whether that's through merch and dice or what they just
the attractions and stuff that they do at like Disneyland
and stuff. Now, like that's a whole thing of itself
just going on. Like Spidey is so massive in Disneyland.
So I just feel like, yeah, if they're able to
get more appearances with those types of characters in just
other Marvel movies, and that would be under of course,
think the Disney manners. So I would say that would
probably be the most likely outcome going forward. Eventually I'll
be making their their their attempts at rebirthing this sure
at some point, but hopefully you know, we have some time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I feel like the strategy of just
like keep pumping out animated movies, make your next Spider verses.
I know, Like I think it's like a movie did
quite well at the box office. I think it was
also very expensive. Uh so who knows how we're like
the profit actually was on it. But if they can
like reel that in and like treat the artists right
and just like keep making those cool, You're you're making profit.
Make hopefully one of those every like two or three years,
Like you don't have to go to the length of
Spider Verse just do some other animated stuff, keep cranking
that stuff out, and then just like license out the
character to like appear at MCU stuff, because yeah, if
you're not doing your on like live action movies, and
you're gonna have like the crossover stuff, which I feel
like is half the reason a lot of people see
these movies is like the chance that maybe a Spider
Man or another character will pop up. Then it's like,
oh no, it's just Craving in his own movie and
Rhino and then there's no one else, which happens sometimes too,
But yeah, I feel like that's that's the row crank
of the animated stuff, license out the rest to MCU,
and just infinite money glitch. As Kirkl said, Yeah, I
feel like.
Speaker 4: The timing of like just getting that of like they're
not moving forward after is it after Craven? I guess yeah,
that's that's the last one. That's that's that's talked about.
I I feel like it's also just like showcasing the
lack of faith that they have in Craven, and like
it also just for a general audience member if they're
like thinking about going to see Craven but then they
see this news It's like, like why would I go
see this movie now right unless I was like really
interested in the trailer and like specifically what this is
them just the idea of like, oh, yeah, this looks
like it might be a new character moving forward, and
in this it's a weird word case study I'm kind
of setting up of like someone that's really invested in
the Sony universe.
Speaker 3: But I mean anyone who's invested would also know that
like there's nothing announced after Craven like port. I think
that might be like an excitement of like, oh, what's
the post credit going to be? But I feel like
it's probably not going to be anything because they don't
have anything to go to.
Speaker 2: They're done totally.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just weird. Back in the day, I remember
when they made these announcements, and I'm confident that they
got a lot of flak back then because we weren't
impressed by it, and we still aren't impressed by it.
But they went ahead and they stuck to their guns
and they put out all these different projects and now
they have to reap what they sew. I guess is
the term I would use for this. So it's unfortunate.
Speaker 4: Bankers boxes and find a new job.
Speaker 2: I find that's right.
Speaker 3: They should have ended on Venom Last Dance. Yeah, that
would have been a much better I mean, not that
it like closes out the universe in any sort of
coherent way, but just the title of it, the idea,
it being the trilogy, it being the most the only
successful of the live action stuff. Just close it out
with that, that would have been. That would have been the
way to do it, I think.
Speaker 1: Especially because Craven feels like it's kickstarting something with the story,
like a new adventure.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we'll see after the review, but maybe
they should have just backgrilled this one and just tax Oh.
Speaker 2: Wow, tax right off.
Speaker 4: Don't let any project like fucking twelve million dollars and
they're already closing down their doors in the whole Sony universe.
Speaker 3: Hopefully it had a small baby budget. Like I feel
like Aaron Taylor Johnson is like your main man. I
don't know if he's like, you know, he's not asking
for Robert Downey Bucks to know in a movie, right.
Speaker 4: Maybe when they when they rebirth the Sony universe. Yeah,
and that they want him, they want to get him
back as a different character.
Speaker 1: I think the budget of this made it one hundred
and ten million, make him more expensive than Sony's other
non venom house.
Speaker 3: When I'm saying this trailer, I just see a guy
jumping around.
Speaker 1: I don't know, Rhino guy is at least a few
million right there.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: True, that's an insane budget. That's like more than Madame
Webb made at all.
Speaker 2: I think.
Speaker 4: So I all think back to Godzillas one, you know,
nice Humble, what was it like, ten million dollar budget,
crazy phenomenal film.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, just insane. I don't let any of this
stop you guys from listening to our review on Thursdays.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be the.
Speaker 3: Finale of yeah, like the awful nobody go see this. Yeah,
just watch your review, don't watch the movie. We'll let
you know it's presumably not worth watching.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad to see that this isn't gonna like
hurt Aaron Taylor Johnson's career, because we're gonna talk about
another project he's in years later. Yeah yeah, yeah, So,
I mean, I love I love that actor. He's he's
fantastic and everything he does. I think he's gonna really
bring it in this role.
Speaker 2: I really do.
Speaker 1: But i'd have to. I would love to be a
fly on the wall for that interview, because you know,
you got a guy, you got his agent coming up
to Aaron and like, Hey, Aaron ATJ, I got a
role for you in another Superhoe project. Oh my back
in Marvel, Like well, go kind of you're in the
Sony Marvel movie. And guess what, They're not doing any
more projects after this.
Speaker 2: It's dead.
Speaker 1: So it's a clean there's no way, well you don't
have to worry about like a five movie contract or anything.
This is a clean cut cash deal, like just trying
to sell it to them.
Speaker 4: But it was like the who was it Sidney Sweeney
that like didn't know that or I don't even know
if that was a rumor or not if his speculation
she didn't know it wasn't in the m c U.
I just remember that being discussed. Maybe it was the
same thing with A TJ. He thought he was in
the MCU.
Speaker 1: But I think that the right, Yeah, he has I
think that was Sidney Sweeney. I think she she did
talk about something simihere similar to that s Bubs and
the chat. Didn't they reshoot tone of this movies? That's
probably the budget. If they're filming like an extra half
movie on there, you don't want to see a lot
of reshoots.
Speaker 2: That's uh, that's a dangerous game.
Speaker 1: It's yeah, there's a lot a lot of reshoots there,
but topic for another day.
Speaker 4: Affect the budget though, Taylor, come on, the budget was
no boosted the budget.
Speaker 2: I think we saved money.
Speaker 1: Anything else you guys have or want to drop on
Craven and the Sony Verse being dead.
Speaker 4: I'm kind of I'm happy that I don't have to
keep committee myself to these projects. You know, I feel
like part of me gets a little bit interested. I'm
not gonna say hyped or hopeful for what's gonna be coming,
but just just enticed, like, Okay, a Craven solo movie,
Like it's been an interesting character in the Spider Man universe,
like animated series, cartoons and stuff like that. How are
they gonna do it in a solo project? It's just
so funny to me. How Like the interest level usually
just goes right down the closer we get to the project,
and like the more information we get, it's usually just
the initial idea of what it like, like Madam Webb,
you know, like when Sidney Sweets when Sidney Sweeney was
cast as Julia Carpenter, which they changed her name Julia Cornwall.
When I first got that announcement, though, I'm like, man,
I was dreaming of this day, like I think she's
perfect for that role. And then of course here I
am now pretty much wishing I never even caught that.
And uh, I don't like to have these thoughts about
these movies. So let's take a break, Sony. And because
this podcasting thing, it's like a it's like a contract
with my soul. I have to watch these movies. I
have to talk about them. I have to just go
through the motions. And uh now I get a little break.
So thanks, Tony.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: It's true, well said, I hope that it doesn't like
you guys were talking about other spin offs, like you
have your Miles morales like Spider Man. Yeah, don't stop those,
don't stop those. They can keep at those. But I mean,
I really don't need like an Ezekiel Simms Spider Guy
dropped in a project, Like it's just that's not the
Spider Man I want.
Speaker 2: I want a Spider Man, you know.
Speaker 1: And unfortunately it seems like Marvel MCUs there are the
ones that are doing the actual Spider manning, because I'm
pretty sure, Yeah, we got Spider Man four that's been
cooking up and stuff.
Speaker 2: But again, topic for another day.
Speaker 1: H