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Speaker 1: Okay, and we're back. So on that note, the Sony

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verse is absolutely falling apart. It is not good. God,

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it is crumbling.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of cracks. God, yeah, that's good.

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Speaker 1: Their Yeah, their whole house is just collapsing.

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Speaker 2: It's it's horrible.

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Speaker 1: So we're gonna we're just gonna talk about how this

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universe is pretty much dead after Craven, and I've seen

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some memes about like Venom four, Sinister six, different things

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like that, potential projects that I think could have had

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a lot of potential. Other people talking about how like

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Null from Venom three, like there's some stuff that they

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could have done with him, But who knows what they're

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gonna do with that character. If I don't know what

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I'm doning, Marvel's even gonna the MCU is going to

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tap into this at all. I don't know what was

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going on in the backboardrooms and how they got Tom

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Hardy's Venom thrown in there, and how those contracts work.

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gy kind of decision. I feel like that was just

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we've talked about all that. So yeah, it's I digress.

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But the fact though that they're just kind of like

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giving up, Like what happens after the after this, like

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after Craven comes out, Craven's gonna bomb? And then do

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they just sit on on their ips? Do they sell them?

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Speaker 3: I mean, I think the I think they just licensed

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them out to MCU probably for a while, and then

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number is where you have to like you have to

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make a movie every however many years, or like you

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just lose the ips something like that. Right, I feel

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like that, you know, they would they would keep doing that,

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but presumably they'll just like hang on to this unless

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they I mean, it seems like money wise, they've had

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a lot of issues recently, and like, I don't know,

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maybe they would look to sell. They could make a

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lot of money off selling Spider Man as a character.

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Speaker 3: At all, You just sit there. That seems like the

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way to go. But yeah, part of the it seems

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like Craven's gonna be the last last movie in this universe.

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our in the GV discord that was just like, uh,

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it turns out Craven's actually doing worse than the initial

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tracking in terms of like where it looks like it's

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gonna do on opening weekend, like Madam Web levels, which

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is or even less than Madam Web levels I think

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the articles said.

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Speaker 4: Which is, yeah, maybe think back to our predictions. I'm

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pretty sure the number I gave was like eleven or something.

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kind of near where it's projecting. Yeah, you know, not

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Madam Web now my gosh, yeah, no, I I feel

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like it's like business suicide if they ever wanted to

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sell Spidy like it just seems like that is like

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an infinite money glitch just having that property. So I

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definitely would agree in just them licensing off like that.

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easy way to stay afloat, and especially I feel like

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trusting it out to like MCU and stuff. Say what

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you will, but like the quality of the movies, they

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at least know how to make money off of them,

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whether that's through merch and dice or what they just

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the attractions and stuff that they do at like Disneyland

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just going on. Like Spidey is so massive in Disneyland.

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think the Disney manners. So I would say that would

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probably be the most likely outcome going forward. Eventually I'll

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at some point, but hopefully you know, we have some time.

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like keep pumping out animated movies, make your next Spider verses.

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quite well at the box office. I think it was

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also very expensive. Uh so who knows how we're like

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the profit actually was on it. But if they can

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like reel that in and like treat the artists right

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and just like keep making those cool, You're you're making profit.

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that stuff out, and then just like license out the

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character to like appear at MCU stuff, because yeah, if

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Rhino and then there's no one else, which happens sometimes too,

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and just infinite money glitch. As Kirkl said, Yeah, I

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Speaker 4: The timing of like just getting that of like they're

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not moving forward after is it after Craven? I guess yeah,

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that's that's the last one. That's that's that's talked about.

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lack of faith that they have in Craven, and like

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see this news It's like, like why would I go

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see this movie now right unless I was like really

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interested in the trailer and like specifically what this is

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them just the idea of like, oh, yeah, this looks

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like it might be a new character moving forward, and

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of setting up of like someone that's really invested in

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the Sony universe.

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like there's nothing announced after Craven like port. I think

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that might be like an excitement of like, oh, what's

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the post credit going to be? But I feel like

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it's probably not going to be anything because they don't

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Speaker 2: They're done totally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just weird. Back in the day, I remember

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when they made these announcements, and I'm confident that they

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impressed by it, and we still aren't impressed by it.

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and they put out all these different projects and now

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they have to reap what they sew. I guess is

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the term I would use for this. So it's unfortunate.

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Speaker 4: Bankers boxes and find a new job.

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Speaker 2: I find that's right.

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Speaker 3: They should have ended on Venom Last Dance. Yeah, that

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would have been a much better I mean, not that

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it like closes out the universe in any sort of

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coherent way, but just the title of it, the idea,

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it being the trilogy, it being the most the only

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successful of the live action stuff. Just close it out

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Speaker 1: Especially because Craven feels like it's kickstarting something with the story,

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like a new adventure.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we'll see after the review, but maybe

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they should have just backgrilled this one and just tax Oh.

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Speaker 2: Wow, tax right off.

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Speaker 4: Don't let any project like fucking twelve million dollars and

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they're already closing down their doors in the whole Sony universe.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully it had a small baby budget. Like I feel

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like Aaron Taylor Johnson is like your main man. I

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don't know if he's like, you know, he's not asking

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for Robert Downey Bucks to know in a movie, right.

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Speaker 4: Maybe when they when they rebirth the Sony universe. Yeah,

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and that they want him, they want to get him

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back as a different character.

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Speaker 1: I think the budget of this made it one hundred

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and ten million, make him more expensive than Sony's other

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Speaker 3: When I'm saying this trailer, I just see a guy

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Rhino guy is at least a few

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million right there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: True, that's an insane budget. That's like more than Madame

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Speaker 2: I think.

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Speaker 4: So I all think back to Godzillas one, you know,

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nice Humble, what was it like, ten million dollar budget,

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crazy phenomenal film.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, just insane. I don't let any of this

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stop you guys from listening to our review on Thursdays.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be the.

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Speaker 3: Finale of yeah, like the awful nobody go see this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm glad to see that this isn't gonna like

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another project he's in years later. Yeah yeah, yeah, So,

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fantastic and everything he does. I think he's gonna really

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Speaker 1: But i'd have to. I would love to be a

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fly on the wall for that interview, because you know,

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you got a guy, you got his agent coming up

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to Aaron and like, Hey, Aaron ATJ, I got a

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role for you in another Superhoe project. Oh my back

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in Marvel, Like well, go kind of you're in the

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Sony Marvel movie. And guess what, They're not doing any

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more projects after this.

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Speaker 2: It's dead.

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Speaker 1: So it's a clean there's no way, well you don't

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have to worry about like a five movie contract or anything.

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Speaker 4: But it was like the who was it Sidney Sweeney

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think that was Sidney Sweeney. I think she she did

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talk about something simihere similar to that s Bubs and

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the chat. Didn't they reshoot tone of this movies? That's

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probably the budget. If they're filming like an extra half

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movie on there, you don't want to see a lot

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but topic for another day.

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Speaker 2: I think we saved money.

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Speaker 1: Anything else you guys have or want to drop on

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Craven and the Sony Verse being dead.

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keep committee myself to these projects. You know, I feel

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like animated series, cartoons and stuff like that. How are

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just goes right down the closer we get to the project,

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this podcasting thing, it's like a it's like a contract

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with my soul. I have to watch these movies. I

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have to talk about them. I have to just go

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through the motions. And uh now I get a little break.

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So thanks, Tony.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: It's true, well said, I hope that it doesn't like

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you guys were talking about other spin offs, like you

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have your Miles morales like Spider Man. Yeah, don't stop those,

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don't stop those. They can keep at those. But I mean,

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I really don't need like an Ezekiel Simms Spider Guy

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dropped in a project, Like it's just that's not the

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Spider Man I want.

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Speaker 2: I want a Spider Man, you know.

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Speaker 1: And unfortunately it seems like Marvel MCUs there are the

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ones that are doing the actual Spider manning, because I'm

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pretty sure, Yeah, we got Spider Man four that's been

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cooking up and stuff.

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Speaker 2: But again, topic for another day.

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Speaker 1: H