WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.520 --> 00:00:05.480 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WBZ, Boston's Me Radio. 2 00:00:05.599 --> 00:00:09.960 Oh thanks a lot, buddy, appreciate it. Exciting show here 3 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:13.800 tonight ten o'clock, ten o'clock we do we break it 4 00:00:13.839 --> 00:00:16.600 down to Karen Read special on television. Right now, we're 5 00:00:16.600 --> 00:00:19.600 gonna talk to Bill Kickham and Robert George, a couple 6 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:23.160 of attorneys that are watching it with you. Probably you're 7 00:00:23.199 --> 00:00:25.879 listening to me right and watching that yet, No you're not. 8 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:28.359 What I just said was stupid. But anyways, they're watching 9 00:00:28.359 --> 00:00:30.600 what she has to say on ABC. And then we're 10 00:00:30.600 --> 00:00:33.439 gonna break it down at ten o'clock right here on WBZ. 11 00:00:35.119 --> 00:00:37.479 Also coming up later on this hour, the Boston Film 12 00:00:37.520 --> 00:00:39.840 Festival is underway. My good friend Robert Dawson is going 13 00:00:39.880 --> 00:00:43.079 to be joining us forty years for the Boston Film Festival. 14 00:00:43.960 --> 00:00:46.920 Good stuff, and the director of any Day Now, Erica Ronson, 15 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.960 joins us at nine forty five. Very funny movie, very 16 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:54.479 creative movie. You're gonna like this, you are, absolutely This 17 00:00:55.079 --> 00:00:57.320 movie is going to generate a lot of buzz. September 18 00:00:57.399 --> 00:01:00.000 nineteenth through the twenty third for the Boston Film festis 19 00:01:00.280 --> 00:01:03.240 right now. Joining me is Jackson Tolliver he's one of 20 00:01:03.240 --> 00:01:06.920 the up and coming, one of the rising stars of 21 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:11.079 the Boston media scene from c LNS media covers the Patriots, 22 00:01:11.159 --> 00:01:13.920 covers the Celtics, and he's a former student of mine, 23 00:01:13.959 --> 00:01:16.640 so that's why he's here. What's going on, Jackson? 24 00:01:17.760 --> 00:01:18.120 Wow? 25 00:01:18.280 --> 00:01:22.000 You you really honor me, Gary, Thanks for thanks for 26 00:01:22.040 --> 00:01:24.120 having me. Not much just hanging out here. We got 27 00:01:24.159 --> 00:01:26.719 a Friday night football game on tonight, so that's something different. 28 00:01:26.959 --> 00:01:29.519 How weird is that, though? I mean, how it's very nice? 29 00:01:29.719 --> 00:01:30.079 Bizarre? 30 00:01:30.359 --> 00:01:33.159 It is bizarre. Yeah, it is bizarre. Let's talk about 31 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:34.920 the Thursday night game real quick before I get to 32 00:01:34.920 --> 00:01:35.560 the Patriots. 33 00:01:36.959 --> 00:01:40.760 Did that say anything about the Chiefs? 34 00:01:41.239 --> 00:01:44.280 I don't know, it's it's it's hard to tell. I 35 00:01:44.319 --> 00:01:46.599 think the biggest thing that I got from that game 36 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:50.079 was Travis Kelton's lack of production, and you know he's 37 00:01:50.079 --> 00:01:53.439 obviously getting up there in age, but also, I mean 38 00:01:53.959 --> 00:01:56.719 the speed that we saw from Xavier Worthy had two 39 00:01:56.760 --> 00:01:59.319 touchdowns last night the rookie take out of Texas. He 40 00:01:59.359 --> 00:02:01.760 obviously broke the record in the forty yard dash at 41 00:02:01.799 --> 00:02:04.000 the Combine this year, so we know the kids got wheels. 42 00:02:04.359 --> 00:02:07.159 But that first touchdown he scored when he just took 43 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:09.319 it and just ran by everybody right to the end zone. 44 00:02:09.719 --> 00:02:11.560 He's got some tremendous speeds, so that'll be fun to 45 00:02:11.560 --> 00:02:14.039 see Patrick Mahomes using that weapon. But it was kind 46 00:02:14.039 --> 00:02:16.599 of to me just business as usual for both teams. 47 00:02:17.159 --> 00:02:19.560 It was interesting for the Ravens to see Derrick Henry 48 00:02:19.759 --> 00:02:21.840 and Lamar that sort of one two punch, even though 49 00:02:21.840 --> 00:02:23.560 I don't think they used Henry as much as they 50 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:26.479 potentially could have. But same old story for the Ravens. 51 00:02:26.520 --> 00:02:28.240 You know, Lamar has a great game. They do well 52 00:02:28.319 --> 00:02:30.960 until the very last minute. Lamar Jackson, I don't think 53 00:02:30.960 --> 00:02:33.280 it's a very clutch quarterback at all. And we saw 54 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:34.520 that at the end of last night's game. 55 00:02:34.919 --> 00:02:37.039 And what do you think about the attempt by the 56 00:02:37.159 --> 00:02:40.639 NFL to make it an international game. They've been trying this. 57 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:44.120 They've certainly gone to the Far East, They've gone to London, 58 00:02:44.439 --> 00:02:46.599 and I remember when the Patriots played in London and 59 00:02:46.639 --> 00:02:48.840 Brady even said he could go outside and no one 60 00:02:48.919 --> 00:02:52.000 recognized him. So is this going to work. 61 00:02:53.360 --> 00:02:55.080 I don't know if it's gonna work, But you know, 62 00:02:55.280 --> 00:02:59.080 I think when you think about football, American football, that 63 00:02:59.280 --> 00:03:02.599 is I don't see why why it couldn't work because 64 00:03:02.599 --> 00:03:06.039 it does have so much international potential because of how 65 00:03:06.159 --> 00:03:09.039 entertaining it is. It's just a fun game to watch. 66 00:03:09.439 --> 00:03:13.120 But you know, obviously football outside of America is what 67 00:03:13.159 --> 00:03:15.120 we call soccer here. That's always going to be king 68 00:03:16.080 --> 00:03:18.560 and I think, you know, we've seen the NBA rise 69 00:03:18.560 --> 00:03:23.680 in international popularity because there's international players, right Jannis, Jokic, Jancic, 70 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:25.680 those are maybe the top three guys in the league 71 00:03:25.759 --> 00:03:28.479 right now, and that makes you know, people from Greece 72 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:30.800 want to watch Giannis, people from Slovenia want to watch Lucas, 73 00:03:30.840 --> 00:03:33.360 so on and so forth. So if there's an influx 74 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.319 of international talent in the NFL, which there is just 75 00:03:36.439 --> 00:03:38.840 not right now. Right all the best guys are are 76 00:03:38.879 --> 00:03:41.680 American that could potentially help them, and they're trying to 77 00:03:41.680 --> 00:03:43.599 do that. I mean, you know, they have international player 78 00:03:43.639 --> 00:03:47.240 pathway programs and they're they're trying to bring people in 79 00:03:47.759 --> 00:03:51.199 from other countries who can really shine in this league. 80 00:03:51.280 --> 00:03:53.000 And I think, you know, down the road, that's definitely 81 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:55.560 a possibility. But for now, yeah, having these games like 82 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:58.680 the one tonight in South Polo, Brazil. They have the 83 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:00.960 UK games, they got the Germany game, that's the way 84 00:04:01.000 --> 00:04:03.159 to start, right, bring the actual game in front of 85 00:04:03.159 --> 00:04:05.120 the people. So I think they're doing a pretty good 86 00:04:05.159 --> 00:04:06.759 job with it. And it's obviously, you know, a smart 87 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:08.639 marketing strategy because you want your game to be as 88 00:04:08.680 --> 00:04:09.439 big as possible. 89 00:04:09.520 --> 00:04:12.719 Well, I know that the Patriots at one point in time, 90 00:04:12.759 --> 00:04:15.879 they're merchandise in the Far East and China and Japan 91 00:04:15.919 --> 00:04:18.240 and tookey, it was off the charts, I mean off 92 00:04:18.399 --> 00:04:21.360 the charts. They were crushing it. But the problem with 93 00:04:21.480 --> 00:04:24.680 the player development is the cost of the sport. No 94 00:04:24.879 --> 00:04:28.160 basketball is cheap, so in a lot of countries playing 95 00:04:28.199 --> 00:04:29.480 basketball is not a big deal. 96 00:04:29.519 --> 00:04:30.920 You get a ball, you got a hoop, that's it. 97 00:04:31.279 --> 00:04:34.560 Football's expensive, right, And some people also don't want their 98 00:04:34.639 --> 00:04:36.800 kids to play football because they have head injuries. Even 99 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:38.720 if you look at rugby, you don't have the head 100 00:04:38.759 --> 00:04:40.959 injuries because people do use their head as a weapon. 101 00:04:41.519 --> 00:04:42.800 So I think that's the problem. 102 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:44.279 I don't know if I don't know if we're ever 103 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:46.920 going to have an international player base in the NFL, 104 00:04:47.199 --> 00:04:49.879 but you make a good point. I think you for 105 00:04:49.959 --> 00:04:52.800 it to truly become an international game, you have to 106 00:04:52.839 --> 00:04:55.480 have stars from other countries, and I don't know if that's. 107 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:55.839 Going to happen. 108 00:04:56.879 --> 00:04:59.879 It might not. Yeah, but you know, like I said, 109 00:05:00.120 --> 00:05:03.279 in these international games, is definitely a good start. 110 00:05:03.560 --> 00:05:05.480 All right, let's get to the Patriots. Now, you've been 111 00:05:05.480 --> 00:05:10.480 covering the Patriots. You've seen Gerrod Mayo. I've just been honest. 112 00:05:10.519 --> 00:05:12.399 I love the guy, I worked with the guy. I 113 00:05:12.439 --> 00:05:14.959 consider him a friend, so I'm biased. I want him 114 00:05:14.959 --> 00:05:18.519 to succeed. What is your what is your experience been 115 00:05:18.639 --> 00:05:21.160 covering the Patriots so far? And we not listen if 116 00:05:21.160 --> 00:05:23.800 they win five games, it's a miracle. We know what 117 00:05:23.879 --> 00:05:26.399 the deal is with the season. How do you feel 118 00:05:26.439 --> 00:05:28.879 about the way they're trying to build forward? 119 00:05:30.079 --> 00:05:33.879 Yeah, I mean obviously you know the pass forward lies 120 00:05:33.920 --> 00:05:37.120 in Gerd Mayo, your buddy, and Drake may It's it's 121 00:05:37.279 --> 00:05:39.680 it's those two guys are going to determine, you know, 122 00:05:40.680 --> 00:05:42.560 not just the next few years, but ideally for this 123 00:05:42.639 --> 00:05:45.160 organization and for Robert Kraft and for all those guys 124 00:05:45.680 --> 00:05:48.120 the next decade plus. Right, you want these two guys 125 00:05:48.199 --> 00:05:49.800 to be the building blocks that you can build a 126 00:05:49.800 --> 00:05:52.360 successful franchise off of. So we can start with girod 127 00:05:52.360 --> 00:05:55.199 Mao since you brought him up first. It's just hard 128 00:05:55.199 --> 00:05:57.240 to evaluate him because we haven't seen a regular season 129 00:05:57.279 --> 00:06:01.079 game until Sunday, so asking if eight hours and we'll 130 00:06:01.079 --> 00:06:04.360 see how he does. But the differences from Belichick are 131 00:06:04.519 --> 00:06:07.680 are obvious. And you know, I've I've been to just 132 00:06:07.680 --> 00:06:10.759 about every day of training camp and there's music playing 133 00:06:10.800 --> 00:06:13.040 and the players, you know, are dancing and having fun. 134 00:06:13.519 --> 00:06:16.439 And you know, it's just that he's he's definitely a 135 00:06:16.439 --> 00:06:18.680 player's coach. And I don't mean that in a bad way. 136 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:20.240 I think some people say that he's a player's coach 137 00:06:20.240 --> 00:06:22.040 and try to take that as a as a knock 138 00:06:22.079 --> 00:06:24.240 on him, like, you know, he's he should be harder 139 00:06:24.319 --> 00:06:26.240 on the guys and he lets them walk all over him. 140 00:06:26.480 --> 00:06:28.839 Well he doesn't, and you know he he faces real 141 00:06:28.879 --> 00:06:32.199 test with that with the whole Matthew Judon situation right right, 142 00:06:32.199 --> 00:06:35.720 because Judon had this whole explosion where uh he you know, 143 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:38.360 stormed off the field, came back on him, flipflops whatever. 144 00:06:38.360 --> 00:06:41.439 It looked like he was having an argument with Elliott 145 00:06:41.439 --> 00:06:43.319 Wolf and matc Grow, who are the executives of the 146 00:06:43.319 --> 00:06:45.480 Patriots and you know who are in charge of his 147 00:06:45.600 --> 00:06:48.079 contract dispute which was going on, and they shipped him off. 148 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:50.920 So I think that was a big test for him, 149 00:06:50.959 --> 00:06:52.920 like is he just gonna let Matt jude On walk 150 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.120 all over him? And you know that was that was 151 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:57.240 pretty disrespectful, I thought, and I think a lot of 152 00:06:57.240 --> 00:06:59.759 other people thought what happened during practice and he's not 153 00:06:59.759 --> 00:07:03.120 gonna stand for that. So, you know, there's obviously a line, 154 00:07:03.120 --> 00:07:05.040 and I think if they drew it there, But I 155 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:07.680 don't see why he couldn't be a good coach. I mean, 156 00:07:07.720 --> 00:07:11.240 you know, obviously being around for Bill Belichick, being around 157 00:07:11.279 --> 00:07:15.000 him for so long, that helps you tremendously. Belichick is 158 00:07:15.000 --> 00:07:17.399 one of the greatest defensive coaches of all time. I 159 00:07:17.399 --> 00:07:18.879 mean one of the greatest coaches of all time period, 160 00:07:18.920 --> 00:07:21.279 probably the best defensive coaches of all time. So he 161 00:07:21.399 --> 00:07:25.079 knows those schemes. He knows how to scheme specifically four teams, 162 00:07:25.680 --> 00:07:27.879 and that'll definitely help him out. I think he's got 163 00:07:27.879 --> 00:07:29.959 a great staff with him. Alex van Pelt, I'm really 164 00:07:30.040 --> 00:07:30.720 high on the off. 165 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:33.800 They don't elaborate on that. Why. 166 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:36.839 I think that's the Browns. I mean, if you if 167 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:39.800 you look at the Browns recently, uh, they've been good 168 00:07:39.879 --> 00:07:42.160 and they've made the I mean, you know, good is 169 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:44.319 a subjective term. When I say that, I mean they 170 00:07:44.439 --> 00:07:47.399 made the playoffs with you know, and and they does 171 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:50.240 a lot of injuries because Deshaun Watson uh was was 172 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:53.079 suspended and last year he was injured. H and and 173 00:07:53.120 --> 00:07:55.360 they got to the playoffs with Joe Flacco, who nobody 174 00:07:55.399 --> 00:07:57.480 thought was going to be throwing a ball last year 175 00:07:57.519 --> 00:08:00.920 in the NFL. I think that what he works really 176 00:08:00.959 --> 00:08:04.079 well with the Patriots. He's big on screens and for 177 00:08:04.120 --> 00:08:07.040 a team that doesn't have a lot of super deep 178 00:08:07.079 --> 00:08:09.759 wide receivers in terms of guys who can just go 179 00:08:09.839 --> 00:08:12.560 deep and you know, make big plays. If you can 180 00:08:12.639 --> 00:08:16.199 bank on some screenplays for guys like Carmandra Stevenson, Antonio Gibson, 181 00:08:16.199 --> 00:08:19.279 who's a really good receiving back, I think that that's good. 182 00:08:19.360 --> 00:08:23.160 So I actually trust Alex van Pelt. The only thing 183 00:08:23.199 --> 00:08:24.879 that I think people have to have a hard time 184 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:27.600 with is the way that they've handled this. Drake made decision, 185 00:08:27.600 --> 00:08:29.199 and I don't know how much of that was him 186 00:08:29.199 --> 00:08:31.360 and how much of it was Gerrod Mayo, but the 187 00:08:31.399 --> 00:08:33.879 way they handled the whole thing went about it, I 188 00:08:33.960 --> 00:08:35.519 think some people have some problems with that. 189 00:08:35.600 --> 00:08:36.840 All right, I want to I don't want to. 190 00:08:36.879 --> 00:08:39.320 I want to explore that and want you to elaborate 191 00:08:39.360 --> 00:08:43.960 on that. Coming up next right here on WBZ, Jackson 192 00:08:44.000 --> 00:08:46.000 Tolliver is with US covers the New England Patriots in 193 00:08:46.039 --> 00:08:49.159 the Boston Celtics for CLNS Media or breaking down the patch. 194 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:52.159 We will get into some celts too right here on WBC. 195 00:08:52.279 --> 00:08:55.679 Don't go away now, back to Dan ray Line from 196 00:08:55.679 --> 00:08:59.759 the Window World, Light Side Studios on WBZ News Radio. 197 00:09:00.360 --> 00:09:02.399 Okay, coming up at ten o'clock, we're gonna get serious here, 198 00:09:02.440 --> 00:09:06.200 folks and break down her side of the story. Karen Reid, 199 00:09:06.559 --> 00:09:10.159 of course, accused of killing police officer and boyfriend John O'Keefe, 200 00:09:11.000 --> 00:09:13.840 and she's speaking out tonight on ABC and we have 201 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:16.320 top criminal defense attorneys Bill kick Him and Robi George 202 00:09:16.360 --> 00:09:19.480 it will join us to discuss her side of the story. 203 00:09:19.759 --> 00:09:21.799 That's all coming up at ten o'clock right here on WBZ. 204 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.720 No right now, Jackson Tolliver's with us from Sealing US 205 00:09:24.720 --> 00:09:30.279 Medium covering the Patriots right now, and I want to 206 00:09:30.279 --> 00:09:33.960 get into you know, Jacoby Brssett in the offensive situation, 207 00:09:34.279 --> 00:09:35.080 how much long? 208 00:09:35.200 --> 00:09:36.840 How many games does he play? 209 00:09:38.360 --> 00:09:40.279 Well? Obviously you know a lot of that has to 210 00:09:40.279 --> 00:09:43.519 do with how well he plays, Right, if he goes 211 00:09:43.559 --> 00:09:45.639 in and you know, wins, well, yeah, because I think 212 00:09:45.639 --> 00:09:47.399 if he goes in, you know, starts off the season 213 00:09:47.480 --> 00:09:49.120 let's say three and one. I'm not saying that's going 214 00:09:49.159 --> 00:09:51.480 to happen. I think that's very far Fett. Well, you're 215 00:09:51.480 --> 00:09:54.080 not going to pull him then, I think a more 216 00:09:54.120 --> 00:09:56.919 realistic option when you look at their schedule, right you 217 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:59.399 start in Cincinnati this weekend. I actually kind of think 218 00:09:59.399 --> 00:10:02.639 it's a toss up. They're losing some pieces. See Higgins 219 00:10:02.639 --> 00:10:04.840 looks like it can get a place. So I actually 220 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.360 can see that one going either way. Seattle as well 221 00:10:07.519 --> 00:10:09.120 at home, that's the home opener. I can see that 222 00:10:09.159 --> 00:10:11.519 one going either way. But then you have the Jets 223 00:10:11.519 --> 00:10:12.840 and then you have the Niners. I think those are 224 00:10:12.840 --> 00:10:17.279 both losses. And Niners on the road could be a really, really, 225 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:19.679 really rough game for Jacoby Brissett. I mean, they have 226 00:10:19.720 --> 00:10:22.919 one of the best defenses in the NFL, and you 227 00:10:22.919 --> 00:10:25.320 know on the road they're a really good team. They 228 00:10:25.320 --> 00:10:27.639 can lose that one badly. Then you come home in 229 00:10:27.639 --> 00:10:30.639 October where you have three home games. That could be 230 00:10:31.159 --> 00:10:33.879 when girod Mayo and company decides to pull the trigger. 231 00:10:33.919 --> 00:10:36.639 And let Drake May start. But like I said, a 232 00:10:37.000 --> 00:10:39.919 lot of it I think depends on how Jacoby present does. 233 00:10:40.360 --> 00:10:42.919 And also, you know we've seen this in the past 234 00:10:42.919 --> 00:10:46.240 as well. If they're getting blown out, Let's say, even 235 00:10:46.480 --> 00:10:48.840 as soon as Sunday, if they're losing twenty four zero 236 00:10:49.159 --> 00:10:51.879 in the third quarter or thirty zero or whatever it is, 237 00:10:51.919 --> 00:10:54.360 and the offense can't get anything going, they might just say, well, 238 00:10:54.440 --> 00:10:56.159 let's just put in Drake May and see what happens. 239 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:58.919 So it's really hard to predict that kind of thing. 240 00:10:59.840 --> 00:11:03.360 I anticipate you'll see him in some like, you know, 241 00:11:03.399 --> 00:11:06.080 get get playing time before he's officially named the starter. 242 00:11:07.159 --> 00:11:09.000 But if you had to ask me right now, I 243 00:11:09.000 --> 00:11:13.600 would say sometime in October. November is kind of pushing 244 00:11:13.639 --> 00:11:15.679 it for me. But again, all that depends on how 245 00:11:15.720 --> 00:11:16.559 Jacoby Brisett does. 246 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:18.399 So you're saying in November he could be named. 247 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:22.559 Starter, yeah, I would, Like I said, my guess right 248 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:24.840 now is week five because I think the first four 249 00:11:24.879 --> 00:11:26.480 games aren't gonna go well. 250 00:11:26.919 --> 00:11:29.600 So part of break you talked about how they mishandled 251 00:11:30.480 --> 00:11:32.519 Drake May. How did that How did they mishandle that 252 00:11:32.559 --> 00:11:34.240 situation in the preseason. 253 00:11:34.399 --> 00:11:36.919 Well, I mean, you know, the whole time Gerrod Meyo 254 00:11:37.000 --> 00:11:38.879 is saying that it's a competition, he thinks that it's 255 00:11:38.879 --> 00:11:41.519 a you know, he wants a fair and accurate QB 256 00:11:41.600 --> 00:11:44.679 competition to see who is starting. But then in training 257 00:11:44.720 --> 00:11:48.440 camp and in preseason, almost all of the work that 258 00:11:48.519 --> 00:11:50.440 Drake May did was with the second string guy, the 259 00:11:50.440 --> 00:11:53.679 second string offense, second string wide receivers, and Jacoby Brissette 260 00:11:53.679 --> 00:11:56.120 basically got all the top reps with the wide receiver 261 00:11:56.200 --> 00:11:58.399 ones and the starting online. That doesn't sound to me 262 00:11:58.440 --> 00:12:02.480 like a fair competition, right, So, you know, I just 263 00:12:02.639 --> 00:12:05.279 think that the way that they went about it, I 264 00:12:05.320 --> 00:12:08.799 didn't agree with. I don't disagree necessarily with their decision. 265 00:12:08.879 --> 00:12:11.399 I think Drake May, you draft him knowing that he's 266 00:12:11.399 --> 00:12:14.799 a really raw talent, might not be a guy who's 267 00:12:14.879 --> 00:12:18.159 ready to go week one. He certainly looks the part 268 00:12:18.279 --> 00:12:20.120 in the preseason game's least. I thought he had a 269 00:12:20.120 --> 00:12:22.600 really good game in the second game, in the third 270 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:25.720 game of preseason, and I think that really started to 271 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:28.120 heat up the competition a little bit quote unquote. But 272 00:12:28.159 --> 00:12:30.279 even then, you know, after those games, he's coming in 273 00:12:30.720 --> 00:12:32.799 and playing maybe one or two reps at the starters 274 00:12:32.799 --> 00:12:35.360 compared to Jacoba Brissett, who is still playing the majority 275 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:37.679 of the re the starting unit. So I don't know 276 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:39.799 if it was ever a real competition. I don't know 277 00:12:39.840 --> 00:12:41.519 if there was ever a thought in their mind that 278 00:12:41.600 --> 00:12:45.159 they would start Drake May. But I just thought it 279 00:12:45.200 --> 00:12:47.200 was a little bit of a message situation, and I 280 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:49.159 think they could have handled it a little bit better 281 00:12:49.799 --> 00:12:52.200 in terms of dealing with both the quarterbacks and dealing 282 00:12:52.200 --> 00:12:56.919 with their public public relations and how to handle it well. 283 00:12:56.960 --> 00:13:00.200 I think Drake May acceeded expectations in the preseason. That's 284 00:13:00.200 --> 00:13:03.519 fair to say, right, Yeah, So what do you think, Jackson? 285 00:13:03.519 --> 00:13:05.159 I mean, you've seen a ton of football. I mean, 286 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:08.320 you know when you look at when you look at 287 00:13:08.320 --> 00:13:12.639 this guy, do you see him as being the future 288 00:13:12.720 --> 00:13:14.679 of the team or like even Mac Jones. 289 00:13:14.720 --> 00:13:15.080 I'll tell you. 290 00:13:15.120 --> 00:13:18.600 I'll tell you my opinion. When Mac Jones was playing well, 291 00:13:18.720 --> 00:13:21.200 I thought he was okay. I said, this guy's going 292 00:13:21.240 --> 00:13:24.399 to be a decent quarterback. He's not going to be great. 293 00:13:24.799 --> 00:13:27.960 He may be a placeholder until the Patriots find that 294 00:13:28.080 --> 00:13:31.360 great quarterback again. I never thought Mac Jones was a 295 00:13:31.399 --> 00:13:34.200 franchise quarterback. I thought he was a system quarterback, thought 296 00:13:34.200 --> 00:13:37.679 he could be Okay, do you have a feeling like 297 00:13:37.759 --> 00:13:39.360 that on Drake May? Either way? 298 00:13:40.320 --> 00:13:42.320 Well, first of all, say, Mac Jones had me cool 299 00:13:42.320 --> 00:13:44.000 that his rookie year. I thought his rookie year was 300 00:13:44.000 --> 00:13:47.559 something special. And they actually made the playoffs that year, 301 00:13:47.960 --> 00:13:50.519 and I thought, and you know, he looked really good. 302 00:13:50.840 --> 00:13:52.240 And then the second year they didn't hire it off 303 00:13:52.279 --> 00:13:52.840 as a coordinator. 304 00:13:53.000 --> 00:13:56.240 They screwed him over. I mean, yeah, they totally screwed 305 00:13:56.240 --> 00:13:56.679 the kid over. 306 00:13:56.720 --> 00:13:58.279 But did you ever like, I never thought he was 307 00:13:58.320 --> 00:14:00.600 going to be great, like making a player a fine 308 00:14:00.600 --> 00:14:03.279 you know. I thought that he'ld be a serviceable, very 309 00:14:03.279 --> 00:14:06.320 good quarterback. You make the playoffs, maybe you win a game. 310 00:14:06.559 --> 00:14:08.440 But I never thought he was a franchise quarterback. But 311 00:14:08.759 --> 00:14:11.279 I mean, do you could this guy be a franchise quarterback? 312 00:14:11.320 --> 00:14:11.480 May? 313 00:14:12.440 --> 00:14:15.200 I mean, Drake May and Matt Jones are drastically different 314 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:18.039 in terms of their in terms of their abilities, and 315 00:14:18.039 --> 00:14:20.240 when you look at what a franchise quarterback looks like 316 00:14:20.840 --> 00:14:24.240 right now, Patrick Mahomes, Joe Burrow, Justin Herbert Josh Allen, 317 00:14:24.960 --> 00:14:27.080 Lamar Jackson is you know, sort of a case of 318 00:14:27.120 --> 00:14:30.039 his own. There's really no other quarterback who's like Lamar Jackson. 319 00:14:30.799 --> 00:14:32.799 But coming back to this other guys, I said, you know, 320 00:14:32.879 --> 00:14:35.559 look at what they do. Well, they've got a great arm. 321 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.279 They can throw out of the pocket, they can make 322 00:14:38.320 --> 00:14:41.799 acrobatic throws off their back foot. Mahomess mastered the side arm. 323 00:14:41.840 --> 00:14:43.559 We've seen some of that from Drake May as well. 324 00:14:44.080 --> 00:14:48.159 Uh so he has all of the abilities to do it. 325 00:14:48.639 --> 00:14:51.600 But I think you know where his growth still has 326 00:14:51.639 --> 00:14:53.639 to come from is his mental is his you know, 327 00:14:53.919 --> 00:14:57.639 eliminating his his his mistake making and you know, just 328 00:14:57.759 --> 00:15:00.000 learning how to play the NFL is different from colleg 329 00:15:00.200 --> 00:15:01.240 you know, everyone said. 330 00:15:01.399 --> 00:15:03.679 It's so damn fast, you know. I mean that's the 331 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:05.919 thing with Brady. Yeah, yeah, I mean Brady was a 332 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:07.639 second ahead mentally of everybody. 333 00:15:07.799 --> 00:15:09.559 And that's one of the things that you just don't 334 00:15:09.639 --> 00:15:11.559 don't know if a guy's going to get it, Like 335 00:15:11.879 --> 00:15:12.840 that's that's the problem. 336 00:15:12.840 --> 00:15:14.840 Like you say, okay, well we'll they catch on mentally. 337 00:15:14.840 --> 00:15:15.600 Some guys never do. 338 00:15:16.600 --> 00:15:17.080 Some guys. 339 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:21.240 Yeah, we've seen We've seen so much great talent uh 340 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:23.159 come out of the NFL draft, and it just it 341 00:15:23.279 --> 00:15:26.600 just never clicks. And you know, from from what I've seen, 342 00:15:26.639 --> 00:15:30.320 he looks like a smart kid. If you watch the 343 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:32.679 New York Giants hard knocks where they brought in all 344 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:35.960 the quarterbacks to interview them, he he really impressed them. 345 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:38.519 They were really hiring him a lot because of his memory, 346 00:15:39.200 --> 00:15:43.000 his ability to recall plays. And you know, I, I 347 00:15:43.399 --> 00:15:45.000 do really believe that he's a smart kid, and I 348 00:15:45.000 --> 00:15:47.399 think that he has a very bright future in this league. 349 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:48.759 But again, you don't know until you know, until you 350 00:15:48.759 --> 00:15:50.840 get him out there in a regular season game against 351 00:15:50.840 --> 00:15:53.440 you know, top top seeded defenses. Like you said, he's 352 00:15:53.440 --> 00:15:56.039 seed expectations in preseason, well he was going against twos 353 00:15:56.039 --> 00:15:56.279 and three. 354 00:15:56.399 --> 00:15:57.960 Well, yeah, of course, absolutely. 355 00:15:58.279 --> 00:15:58.960 You just never know. 356 00:15:59.120 --> 00:15:59.600 You don't know. 357 00:15:59.679 --> 00:16:03.360 I mean it just if you see confidence. That's when 358 00:16:03.360 --> 00:16:04.159 I covered the team. 359 00:16:04.240 --> 00:16:08.080 If I saw confidence in a preseason game, it was just. 360 00:16:08.000 --> 00:16:10.039 Like how do you carry yourself? You know, you could 361 00:16:10.080 --> 00:16:11.879 tell is there deer in the headlights or does this 362 00:16:11.919 --> 00:16:14.159 guy you know, does he have some confidence? Does he 363 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:14.919 have some squagger? 364 00:16:15.600 --> 00:16:15.759 You know? 365 00:16:15.840 --> 00:16:18.200 Jackson Tulliver as with us some Sealantis media covering the 366 00:16:18.200 --> 00:16:20.960 Patriots and final question here and then I want to 367 00:16:21.000 --> 00:16:25.360 get to the Celtics. But you know, for the Pats, 368 00:16:25.399 --> 00:16:27.039 what do you think what do you think of the 369 00:16:27.080 --> 00:16:31.200 front office, because to me, that's really the key, you know. 370 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:33.200 And that's and they don't think. 371 00:16:33.399 --> 00:16:35.960 I mean, they have nobody in the cupboard, man, I 372 00:16:36.000 --> 00:16:39.279 mean you can't. They have an offensive line that is terrible. 373 00:16:39.559 --> 00:16:41.440 And for the longest time when I covered the team, 374 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:45.000 the offensive line was for twenty years and listened to 375 00:16:45.080 --> 00:16:47.039 Belichick was really good for twenty years. 376 00:16:47.080 --> 00:16:49.720 You know, whether it be Joe and drewsy or it 377 00:16:49.720 --> 00:16:53.799 doesn't matter. They Dan Copen Matt like. They had offensive 378 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:54.879 lines that were money. 379 00:16:54.960 --> 00:16:57.799 And it's just that's why you I don't even want 380 00:16:57.840 --> 00:16:59.960 to play the kid because he's gonna get killed. 381 00:17:01.159 --> 00:17:03.159 Yeah, that's that I think. Has it has a lot 382 00:17:03.240 --> 00:17:05.319 to do with it. I will say for the offensive line, 383 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:09.240 they have had some injury misfortune. Cole Strange, who is 384 00:17:09.240 --> 00:17:12.000 their first round pick in twenty twenty two, is starting 385 00:17:12.039 --> 00:17:14.359 the season on Pops, so we don't know, you know, 386 00:17:14.400 --> 00:17:16.240 when he's gonna come back or if you can come back. 387 00:17:16.480 --> 00:17:18.440 City So picked up an ankle injury in the last 388 00:17:18.440 --> 00:17:21.240 game of the preseason. So those are two presumed starters 389 00:17:21.279 --> 00:17:24.079 that you're now missing out on. And you know they 390 00:17:24.119 --> 00:17:27.119 have some guys they they haven't win. Who's their big 391 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:29.279 offensive line and that you know, they obviously brought back 392 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:31.920 on the big time extension this year. David Andrews is 393 00:17:31.920 --> 00:17:36.079 getting older and then you know, beyond that it gets tough. 394 00:17:36.119 --> 00:17:37.640 But they do have a couple of rookies who look 395 00:17:37.640 --> 00:17:40.599 a little promising and Cad Wallison lead Robinson. But to 396 00:17:40.599 --> 00:17:42.680 get to your front office question again, I just think 397 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:44.799 it's too early. It's it's it's the same thing with 398 00:17:44.880 --> 00:17:48.519 evaluating Gerrod Mayo, where you just really can't do it. 399 00:17:48.519 --> 00:17:49.920 And Ellio Wolf was a guy who's been around the 400 00:17:49.960 --> 00:17:52.440 league for a long time. He's been the Patriots for 401 00:17:52.440 --> 00:17:56.240