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<v Speaker 1>His Riyan Thomas. Always happy to welcome to the fifty

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<v Speaker 1>five KRC Morning Show from the Commonwealth of Kentucky and

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<v Speaker 1>thank god for Kentucky voters. Senator Ran Paul, welcome back

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<v Speaker 1>to the program, my friend. It's always a pleasure speaking

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<v Speaker 1>with you.

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks Brian, thanks for having me.

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<v Speaker 1>I know, people generally have lost a lot of confidence

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<v Speaker 1>in government for a whole variety of reasons. Our lettered

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<v Speaker 1>agencies have let us down from time to time, and

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<v Speaker 1>here we are pivoting over to the US Secret Service,

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<v Speaker 1>who obviously let former President Donald Trump down. He was

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<v Speaker 1>just a fraction of an inch away from getting assassinated,

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<v Speaker 1>and then the failures are revealed. This so much so,

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<v Speaker 1>Senator Paul, and I know there's a million conspiracy theories

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<v Speaker 1>rolling around the internet about this, and I'm the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of guy who wants to sit back and wait till

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<v Speaker 1>the dust settles and they get my evidence. But more

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<v Speaker 1>and more people are concluding that maybe this negligence, and

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<v Speaker 1>I would call it gross negligence, was by design. I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't reached that point yet, but it's so bad optically

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<v Speaker 1>speaking that people are drawing those conclusions. What is your

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<v Speaker 1>reaction to the failures, and what are we going to

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<v Speaker 1>be doing about it on a going forward basis?

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Ran Paul, without question, these failures are indefensible. They're grotesque.

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<v Speaker 2>They're such that the average ordinary citizen who knows nothing

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<v Speaker 2>about security as appalled to find out what happened. The

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<v Speaker 2>police had identified this suspect ninety minutes before the shooting.

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<v Speaker 2>He was seen at four point thirty. The shooting happened

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<v Speaker 2>at six p' eleven. At four point thirty, they're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>looks like he's eyeing your position up there, looks like

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<v Speaker 2>he's learning about the structure. Well, that sounds suspicious enough

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<v Speaker 2>to go talk to him. Had they at any point

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<v Speaker 2>in the ninety minutes gone and talked to him, he

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<v Speaker 2>had a backpack with him. Backpack probably weighed I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>ten to fifteen pounds because it had an ar fifteen

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<v Speaker 2>innut folded up. At any point in time, had they

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<v Speaker 2>confronted him, this would have been prevented. But even at

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<v Speaker 2>the very end, let's say the ninety minutes goes on,

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<v Speaker 2>you getting to the point where he's now in the roof.

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<v Speaker 2>He gets on the roof at six oh six, shooting

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<v Speaker 2>is at six ' eleven. He hasked to traverse about

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<v Speaker 2>fifty yards on the roof. There's four buildings that are

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<v Speaker 2>joined by roof, but you have to go up and

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<v Speaker 2>down a little bit. You go down five feet here,

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<v Speaker 2>up five feet there. And he's basically, I got a

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<v Speaker 2>run across, you know, about fifty yards worth of roof.

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<v Speaker 2>He does that, and so at six he gets on

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<v Speaker 2>the roof. At six oh six, within about a minute

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<v Speaker 2>or so, a brown six oh six. The crowd is shouting,

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<v Speaker 2>man on the roof, Man on the roof. At six

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<v Speaker 2>oh eight, police saying, man on a roof, man on

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<v Speaker 2>a roof. They still don't see a gun because he's

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<v Speaker 2>triedly gotten his backpack and he hadn't assembled the gun yet.

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<v Speaker 2>But at six oh eight, so man on a roof

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<v Speaker 2>at six oh eight. Now the police know at six

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<v Speaker 2>oh eight it's three more minutes to the shooting. Why

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<v Speaker 2>in the world would there not be an all points

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<v Speaker 2>bulletin broadcast potential shooter on the roof, take the president

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<v Speaker 2>off the stage and hit three minutes. That's that's a

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<v Speaker 2>long time. That's an enormous amount of time to take

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<v Speaker 2>him off the stage. Now they still probably can't shoot

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<v Speaker 2>this person. They haven't seen a weapon yet, but by golly,

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<v Speaker 2>somebody on the roof is potentially an assassin, and uh,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's just inexcusable at every turn. The first

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Service director was a complete imbecile, a complete uh

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<v Speaker 2>you know, uh, completely unrepresentative of what good people would

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<v Speaker 2>do in the situation. She wouldn't answer any questions, and

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<v Speaker 2>she was she was fired finally, or she resigned. The

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<v Speaker 2>new director came in and testified before my committee, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's certain things that are encouraged about him. He seems

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<v Speaker 2>more you know, military, he's a career, uh you know,

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<v Speaker 2>officer of police, officer, Secret Service officer, and he says

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<v Speaker 2>it will be accountability. He has a disciplinary hearing, and

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<v Speaker 2>on the face of that, Doll was very good, but

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<v Speaker 2>also during the hearing he kind of pointed fingers at

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<v Speaker 2>the local police and kind of try to blame it

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<v Speaker 2>on them. And my point to him was who who's

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<v Speaker 2>in charge? Who's in charge of the operation. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>without questioning, the Secret Service, So there was at least

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<v Speaker 2>one or two agents in charge of this. They can't

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<v Speaker 2>do this again. They showed that they do not have

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<v Speaker 2>the management or discernment to be in charge of this

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<v Speaker 2>because they failed so significantly. And the thing is is

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<v Speaker 2>even if you even if they really do claim, which

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<v Speaker 2>the local police deny this, but if they claim we

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<v Speaker 2>assigned that roof to the local police. When you're the

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<v Speaker 2>Secret Service, aation in charge and you walk on the

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<v Speaker 2>grounds and you say, oh, my goodness, he's going to

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<v Speaker 2>stand in here and look at that roof, you know

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<v Speaker 2>you would you would then say, no, we do have

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<v Speaker 2>to have somebody the roof. It is your it is

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<v Speaker 2>your responsibility. Yesterday, I don't know if you saw this,

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<v Speaker 2>but a video came out from one of the guys

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<v Speaker 2>that was shot in the first row behind Donald Trump.

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<v Speaker 2>I saw he's videotaping Donald Trump and you see the

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<v Speaker 2>shooter in the background. That even more remarkable than the

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<v Speaker 2>shooter is how close that building is. That building, That

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<v Speaker 2>building looms so large. Now something that's a trick of perspective,

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<v Speaker 2>I think with the photography, but that building's pretty damn close,

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<v Speaker 2>and to have left it unguarded is inexcusable. That person

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<v Speaker 2>needs to be fired and never in charge. And I asked,

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<v Speaker 2>I asked the director this directly. I said, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>people want to know that that person's not going to

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<v Speaker 2>be in charge of making decisions at the Democrat National

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<v Speaker 2>Convention in two weeks. He says, Oh, that won't be.

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<v Speaker 2>But then later on he says, oh, but they're still working,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, we don't want to reveal their names

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<v Speaker 2>for their safety. And it's like, well, maybe they shouldn't

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<v Speaker 2>be working. Maybe they should be on a desk job.

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<v Speaker 2>I understand the need for a procedure or a disciplinary hearing,

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<v Speaker 2>but they shouldn't be out there making decisions on the

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<v Speaker 2>heels of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, without question. And I thought it was rather ear

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<v Speaker 1>it was James Copenhaber that got shot. He's the one

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<v Speaker 1>that took that video. But when you watch it, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean you can see Crook's head just move right along

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<v Speaker 1>that roof line. I mean it's like a giant red

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<v Speaker 1>flag being waved that there's a guy out there. You've

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<v Speaker 1>got Secret Service snipers perched behind and elevated behind Trump.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean that had to be as a parent as

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<v Speaker 1>is the hand in front of their faced from that perspective,

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<v Speaker 1>yet no one saw him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and just one thing after another, I tend not

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<v Speaker 2>to want to believe that, Oh, you know, in order

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<v Speaker 2>for a whole bunch of people to be in league

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<v Speaker 2>and this could be a purposeful thing by government. You'd

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<v Speaker 2>have to imagine, you know, several people all deciding that.

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<v Speaker 2>While I do think there's Trump Patrood out there, there

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<v Speaker 2>definitely was Trump patriod at the FBI. I just you know,

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<v Speaker 2>can't believe. You know, we'll look where the evidence takes it,

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<v Speaker 2>but I can't believe that there would be enough people

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<v Speaker 2>that are going to get together to actually try to

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<v Speaker 2>allow a former president to be killed. Now, I do

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<v Speaker 2>think that we need to examine their reasons why they

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<v Speaker 2>denied extra security for him. So this question came up

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<v Speaker 2>right after the shooting, and the Secret Service was asked,

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<v Speaker 2>did Trump campaign or Trump's Secret Service detail asked for

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<v Speaker 2>extra security? And the answer explicitly from the Secret Service

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<v Speaker 2>was no. And we put that up there yesterday and

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<v Speaker 2>we said we now know this to be untrue, and

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<v Speaker 2>the acting director said, no, that is true. That saying

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<v Speaker 2>absolutely is true for Butler. And I looked at that,

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<v Speaker 2>and I looked at him incredulously, and I thought, he's

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<v Speaker 2>basically telling us that a statement that didn't mention Butler

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<v Speaker 2>County is true for Butler County, when in reality, the

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<v Speaker 2>question that was asked was was Secret Service protection denied

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<v Speaker 2>at any time, not just for the one event. And

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<v Speaker 2>so really it's a very deceptive statement if you're putting

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<v Speaker 2>out a statement saying no secret additional Secret Service agents

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<v Speaker 2>were not denied, and then he says, oh, yeah, for Butler,

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<v Speaker 2>they weren't, but that wasn't in what the statement said.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's really really deceptive parsing of words, which makes

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<v Speaker 2>me think, oh, my goodness, this is an agency that

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<v Speaker 2>isn't being completely.

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<v Speaker 1>Honest with us well and not forthright with the information.

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<v Speaker 1>And when Cheetah was testifying, and you're right, she was

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<v Speaker 1>an embarrassment. I felt embarrassed for he was so terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>But she would not even answer questions about the information

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<v Speaker 1>she had at the time. She could have, you know, like,

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<v Speaker 1>what was the first time Secret Service got noticed of

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<v Speaker 1>this guy? I can't answer that because the investigation's not over.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, well, what do you know now? Change the

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<v Speaker 1>testimony later if your report determines that, no, the first

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<v Speaker 1>interaction was not at that time what I said in

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<v Speaker 1>front of Congress, it was over here. Fine, you got

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<v Speaker 1>yourself some cover, but what do you know now? By

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<v Speaker 1>the time she was in front of the members of Congress.

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<v Speaker 1>She had literally talked to every member of Secret Service

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<v Speaker 1>who was there, so it's not as if she didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have the information.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this is what makes people distrust government. This

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<v Speaker 2>is what feeds conspiracy theories, is when government isn't honest

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<v Speaker 2>and won't put things forward. It's like, it took them

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<v Speaker 2>two weeks to tell us that there were eight bullets fired,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, that should have been that was known

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<v Speaker 2>that day when they went to collect the shooter's body,

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<v Speaker 2>there were eight casings there, and I think they knew

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<v Speaker 2>within a day or two. They're still doing some investigation

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<v Speaker 2>on trajectory and thing, but they knew eight shots were fired.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, I think they have audio of it,

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<v Speaker 2>so they can hear the eight shots being fired, which

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<v Speaker 2>helps to dispel any kind of notion of a second shooter.

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<v Speaker 2>And that should be put out there and they could

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<v Speaker 2>always say, we're still investigating, but right now, our evidence

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<v Speaker 2>points towards there being a single shooter and the shots fired.

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<v Speaker 2>The audio agrees with the bullet casings, and we see

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<v Speaker 2>the evidence of a second shooter, and then that puts

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<v Speaker 2>people at ease. You know that there weren't two shooters

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<v Speaker 2>at the assassination attempt.

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<v Speaker 1>Exactly right. You got to give us what you know.

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<v Speaker 1>None of it's harmful. The investigation can continue to at

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<v Speaker 1>least satisfy us with some information now, and that's not

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<v Speaker 1>what we get, you know. I mean, let's face it,

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<v Speaker 1>Senator ran Paul, if it was not for local law enforcement,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd have very little information at all on this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and they've been very forthcoming. We've met with them,

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<v Speaker 2>we've interviewed with them. They haven't said the lawyers. They're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>here's the truth, and we want everybody to know the

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<v Speaker 2>truth about this, and that's that's kind of what we need.

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<v Speaker 2>We just need to not have, you know, the dissembling

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<v Speaker 2>and evasion and just the typical government people trying not

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<v Speaker 2>to basically to cover their ass more than to actually

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<v Speaker 2>tell the truth.

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<v Speaker 1>Indeed, we do well, Senator Rampai, I certainly appreciate you

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<v Speaker 1>joining the Morning Show this morning. Oh very briefly before

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<v Speaker 1>we part company. You are one of the few no

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<v Speaker 1>votes on that Internet Children Protection bill the other day,

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<v Speaker 1>and I from my perspective, I certainly understand why you're

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<v Speaker 1>a no vote, But ninety three to three or something

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<v Speaker 1>had passed. I just want to know, if you could articulately,

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<v Speaker 1>briefly for my listeners your explanation as to why it

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<v Speaker 1>was not worthy of your vote.

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<v Speaker 2>This bill sets up something called the Children's Online Safety Committee.

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<v Speaker 2>The Children's Online Safety Committee will then be tasked with

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<v Speaker 2>trying to regulate any kind of content that causes anxiety

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<v Speaker 2>in teenagers. So let's say there's a fifteen year old

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<v Speaker 2>girl and she's pregnant, and she's trying to decide whether

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<v Speaker 2>to keep the baby or have an abortion. And so

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<v Speaker 2>let's say you're on the pro life side where I am,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're pregnancy cent that would be have information out there.

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<v Speaker 2>But let's say her mother wants her to have an abortion,

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<v Speaker 2>and her mother says, this pregnancy center shouldn't be allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to broadcast this because it's causing my child anxiety. To

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<v Speaker 2>we ban the pregnancy center on the other side of it,

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<v Speaker 2>what if she, you know, is you know the reproductive

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<v Speaker 2>health abortion people, you know, should that be banned and

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<v Speaker 2>she shouldn't be allowed to hear about that because she's

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<v Speaker 2>really pro life and that is upsetting her and calls

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<v Speaker 2>her anxiety. I mean, it's kind of crazy that we'd

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<v Speaker 2>let government regulate things to cost teenagers anxiety. The most

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<v Speaker 2>famous case is Greta Thunberg, that foolish girl from Europe

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<v Speaker 2>who was crazy about climate alarmism. I think the world's

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<v Speaker 2>going to end. She didn't eat for a year because

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<v Speaker 2>she's anxious about the climate. Harvard did a study in

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<v Speaker 2>sixty five percent of young people between the ages of

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen and thirty say that they're anxious enough about the

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<v Speaker 2>climate that it affects their daily routine. Does that mean

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<v Speaker 2>that when I tell them it's all a bunch of

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<v Speaker 2>bunk and it's climate alarmism and they're exaggerators, that maybe

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<v Speaker 2>I should be banned and the teenagers shouldn't be allowed

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<v Speaker 2>to see my website if I say that because it

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<v Speaker 2>causes anxiety. Either this Pandora's box of censorship. It's well

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<v Speaker 2>intended by you know, moms who have lost kids to

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<v Speaker 2>suicide and things like this, and it's so tragic, and

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<v Speaker 2>everybody wants an answer for suicide. And you know, I

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<v Speaker 2>hanging members a kid having friends who committed suicide. No,

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<v Speaker 2>we all wanted explanations, but you know, sometimes there isn't.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know, here's another example. I love to watch

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<v Speaker 2>golf golf has nothing but gambling heads on now, and

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<v Speaker 2>you can argue pros and cons of it, but you

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<v Speaker 2>can watch it on TV. This bill would actually ban

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<v Speaker 2>streaming of PGA golf and fan duel commercials on certain

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<v Speaker 2>websites for fear that kids might see gambling advertisements. Same

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<v Speaker 2>with beer. They would the screen beer commercials. So the

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<v Speaker 2>kid can watch the Super Bowl on TV, they can

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<v Speaker 2>watch PGA golf on TV, but they can't watch it

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<v Speaker 2>on Facebook. So it's just this bizarre thing. It's to

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<v Speaker 2>be a terrible bill. I think the courts may eventually

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<v Speaker 2>strike it down as unconstitutional.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and these decisions on what is harmful or not

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<v Speaker 1>made by a panel within the federal government is my understanding.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and it used to be that conservatives understood and

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<v Speaker 2>still a lot of us do that. It's the family unit.

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<v Speaker 2>It's the responsibility to the parents, and tragedies happen. Look,

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<v Speaker 2>they have to put to good parents. Yes, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>everybody tries to keep their kids from bad stuff online

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<v Speaker 2>and keep them but ultimately the only way to make

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<v Speaker 2>the judgment on it. You know, some parents are really

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<v Speaker 2>hardcore them to give their kids smartphones till a certain

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<v Speaker 2>age and that's one way of doing it. But I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not for a rule or a law of decision. Kid

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<v Speaker 2>can't have a smartphone, you know. I mean that's a

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<v Speaker 2>decision each parent, sort of like violent video games. Some

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<v Speaker 2>kids with mental problems. Violent video games might not be good.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm not for telling every American family that their

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<v Speaker 2>kids can't play these games. Someone should talk about the

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<v Speaker 2>games and whether they're good or bad, and maybe parents

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<v Speaker 2>can make better decisions. But some things just aren't the

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<v Speaker 2>progative of government.

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<v Speaker 1>Gosh, I love when you make those points. I could

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<v Speaker 1>not agree with you more. Senator Ran Paul, thank you

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<v Speaker 1>for the time you spent with my listeners of me today.

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<v Speaker 1>Truly appreciate your willingness to come on the fifty five

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<v Speaker 1>Careceny morning Sure and keep fighting that good fight on

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<v Speaker 1>behalf of all of us.