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The Charlotte Observer. Andrew, how are you today, sir?
Speaker 3: I'm doing well, always better once I get to talk
to you.
Speaker 1: I bet you say that to all the hosts that
you join.
Speaker 2: So last week when we had you on, we did
talk a little bit about the murder on the light
rail line that had occurred on ap or sorry August
twenty second. At that point, it was about a week
and a half into the story. The video of the
attack had not been released at that point, and it
kind of seemed like it would remain a local crime story,
to use the words of a Washington Post reporter in
her defense of not covering the Kerrent Gosnell abortion doctor murderer.
But it has now gone national, international, And my view,
and I'd like to know if you gree or disagree
on this, my view is that the release of the
video made this a national, a viral story.
Speaker 3: What do you think, Yeah, I mean, I think you're
absolutely right. I mean, the facts of the case didn't
change any you know, the video didn't unveil anything we
didn't already know. But what it did is, you know,
just very starkly illustrate how completely horrific this crime was,
how completely random. And it's it's hard to watch. I mean,
even the edited versions that are out there are are
just heartbreaking to watch. So it doesn't surprise me that
that that's what pushed it over the edge to become
a national story.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because when you read the just a written description
of what occurs, there's a detachment right where you can
just kind of read the words and think, oh my gosh,
girls sitting there, guy jumps up and stabs her, and
it's very sort of sanitized exactly right.
Speaker 1: But then when you see.
Speaker 2: The video and you you now have the imagery of it,
like I could be right there on the train seeing
this very thing happen, it changes the way the event
is perceived. So which raises the question, could if there
were some media outlets that the mayor of Charlotte vy Lyles.
She thanked certain media operations for not showing the video
and said that, you know, it would be hurtful to
the victim's family. And I understand that argument. Where do
you come down there from a media uh, you know,
journalism ethics kind of perspective. Do you think if you're
making that call in a in a newsroom, do you
release the video edited or not edited?
Speaker 1: Or do you not release it?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I mean it's a good question, I think, to be honest,
Mayor vy lyles response to this whole situation has been
a masterclass in tone deaf leadership. You know, if you're
if you're blaming the media or thanking the media for
the coverage of something, you're generally going to be in
the wrong.
Speaker 2: If you're thanking the media, you also said, and blaming
the media, you're going to be in the okay, sorry,
So it's just focusing on the media reaction that means
that's a good indication you're in the.
Speaker 3: Wrong, exactly, and especially in something like this. You know,
Lyle's her first reaction. The first response was to say,
you know, the light rail is by and large safe.
You know, most of you won't be murdered if you
ride on the light rail, and called for sympathy for
the attacker. Then her second statement was, as you said,
chastising the media for talking about the video. It's really
just yesterday when we finally got a substantive statement from
Mayor vy Lyles, where it seems like she's starting to
take it seriously. And you know, it's never pleasant, you know,
to witness a media circus, but in this case, it
was necessary to get Charlotte leadership to actually wake up
and realize, oh, maybe this is actually a big deal.
Speaker 1: So why do you think it took that.
Speaker 2: Is it like just a general tone deafness, or is
it the Charlotte way so to speak to just kind
of I think you used the word last week sort
of a blase approach to it, that like they just
take this as a well, this is just a story,
and it'll go away, and then it's you know, back
to business as usual, pushing for you know, the transit tax,
and everything is fine. Crime's not a problem, restorative justice whatever.
Speaker 3: I'm not one hundred percent sure. I mean, I don't
think it is the Charlotte way to brush stuff like
this under the rug. I mean, Charlotte historically has been
pretty adamant about public safety. I mean, on both sides
of the aisle, there was a pretty good consensus that
crime is an issue and Charlotte should do something about it.
I mean, I think about Julie Isiolt's campaigns not that
long ago, all about public safety, and she was and
is still a Democrat. I'm not sure what's the make
of the fact that Charlotte leaders just didn't want to
talk about this. I'm really at a loss for words.
Speaker 2: It might be their election, you know, the primary is today,
and maybe they got sort of deer in the headlights,
paralyzed by the referendum vote coming up in November for transit,
and they got paralyzed by their own you know, end
of the wire primary election, and so they were just
caught and didn't know how to react without alienating a
large chunk because look, I mean a lot of the
stuff and I've got the remember Governor Cooper's Racial Justice
task Force or whatever it was, Like, I've got their conclusions.
I went and pulled them out again. It's all the
same language that she used in that first terrible response,
and that's you know, riddled throughout the governor's recommendations from
that task force. So I suspect maybe there was some
political preservation maybe or butt covering, so they don't want
to alienate a pretty large I think cohort inside the
Democrat Party primary voters that do speak in these terms
and want these types of you know, equitable restorative justice,
and so they just recoil at this kind of a story.
Speaker 3: I think that's part of it. I think another part
of it is, sadly, public safety has become a left
versus right issue. Yeah, and so when you have President
Donald Trump talking a lot about it, you know, sending
the National Guard into Washington, d C. The left just
reflexively has wanted to minimize the problems of crime and
urban areas. I think that had a lot to do
with it. I mean, and you see it. And you know,
Axios in their piece about this whole situation, their headline was,
you know, MAGA influencers sees on Charlotte lightrail killing, which
is just unreal. I mean, that is one of the
most horrendous headlines I think I've ever read.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark I Peedo wrote that piece and it's I've
got it here in the stack. I mentioned part of
it yesterday. I'm gonna go a little bit deeper today
because it's just repugnant. You know, like you said, it's
not a left right issue, it has apparently become so.
And I think a lot of it is sort of
Trump derangement syndrome. If Trump is for something, then we
have to be against it, and you don't have to
be against it. You can actually, you know, you can say, okay, well,
you know the Orange Hitler is correct on this, like
you could say that. And now the problem is, I
think that you've got Viylyiles who's out with a third statement,
third times, a charm, a third statement, and she seems
to be now directing the blame towards the courts and
the magistrates, which okay, yes, there's blame over there, But
had she said that initially, she actually would have sounded
a little bit more like her now soon to be
former police chief Johnny Jennings, who has been saying this
stuff for a while too.
Speaker 1: But she totally failed in the moment.
Speaker 2: And now I think the third statement is out and
it's not going to land the same way.
Speaker 3: What do you think, No, certainly not. I mean, if
this was a statement she had put out two weeks ago,
I would fully support it and say that she's taking
the right approach to the response. But the fact that
it took days upon days of national outcry, the President
of the United States talking about this, the leader of
the FBI talking about this to actually take it seriously,
it just leads me to believe that it's disingenuous, that
she doesn't really mean it. She's just saying it because
she feels like she has to.
Speaker 2: Let's shift up to Raleigh now. The Speaker of the House,
Destin Hall. According to The Observer, one of the Republican
leaders of the General Assembly, Phil Berger, is also weighing
in on this, saying that they're going to be looking
at ways to clean up the courts, looking at potential
legislative action to address the public safety failures in Charlotte.
So like, are you hearing anything about what specifically they
may be looking at doing or what could they do?
Speaker 3: I haven't, and I'm sure that there are levers that
the General Assembly can pull, and I'm glad that they're
going to. You know, that was one of my big
points in my initial column that we talked about last
week was, you know, I compared it to the death
of Eve Carson in two thousand and eight at UNC
Chapel Hill, and it did spur a legislative response and
some changes were made around probation and parole. So I'm
glad that the General Assembly is going to take this seriously.
And I do think in some multiple branches of government
issue and I really wish that Attorney General Jeff Jackson
would be out in front on this. I mean, he
is the chief law enforcement officer in North Carolina. He
did put out a statement saying he's sad about it,
but I haven't really seen any leadership from him and
kind of marshaling the resources to figure out what we
can actually do and put it in place.
Speaker 2: No, And in fact, I think the first statement I
saw from him. I think may have been yesterday or Sunday,
and it was only after the video was released. Again,
it seemed like that would be something that the Attorney
General should have been right on top of right out
of the gate, particularly one who is from Charlotte, Like,
why would he not have Yeah, why would he have waited,
you know, two weeks before weighing in?
Speaker 3: Yeah, no idea. I think it has to do with
everything we've been talking about. Yeah, but at least, you know,
I guess I have to try to look on the
bright side a little bit. And I guess now we
may actually see some changes which are desperately needed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Andrew Dunne, We appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: As always, you can read Andrew's work at long Leaf Politics,
longleafpol dot com and in The Charlotte Observer, where he
is a contributing columnist.
Speaker 1: Andrew, thanks for your time, buddy, appreciate it. Talk to
you next week. Thank you, all right, take care. So
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of Mayor vy Lyles who Megan Kelly Megan Kelly on
her podcast last night on YouTube I guess our YouTube channel,
She said she started calling the mayor Viles. She said,
her name is Viles vi Lyles Vile. Anyway, I don't
know if it'll stick, But the mayor put out another
statement third time. Maybe a charm here, but I think
it just lands flat because of the two prior attempts
that she made, one which took her four days to issue,
where she mentioned thoughts and prayers, which apparently is adequate
in this scenario, but is inadequate in every other type
of a scenario according to the media and the Democrats.
But I repeat myself. Then she issued another statement after
the release of the video made where she said the
video is heartbreaking and she thanks all of our media
partners and community. First off, we're not your partners, okay,
media is not your partner. Media is your watch dog.
To quote the documentary almost famous, We're the enemy.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: I want to thank media partners and community members who
have chosen not to repost or share the footage out
of respect for the victims family senseless and tragic loss.
Prayers remain with her loved ones, continued, who were grieving.
She's heartbroken. I've been thinking hard about what safety looks
like in our city. Well think harder, Mayor. I remain
committed to doing all we can that's not true, to
protect our residents and ensure Charlotte is a place where
everyone feels safe.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: So that was the second statement, which again not great,
And now we have the third. As I reflect on
the tragic murder of the arena's Zoska, my heart continues
to go out to her family and our community as
we try to make sense of this horrific and senseless loss. Well,
you can't make sense of the loss if it's senseless, Mayor,
she says. Over the past several weeks, as our community
has worked to understand this, what we know is that
this was a tragic failure by the courts and magistrates.
Speaker 1: So there we go.
Speaker 2: We are directing our fire on the courts and the magistrates. Magistrates,
by the way, require no real legal experience. They are
hired by, believe, the Clerk of Court, and there are
all sorts of people that act as magistrates that really
don't have any business making any kinds of decisions like
this our police. So maybe the General Assembly could institute
some standards for the magistrates. Our police officers arrest people
only to have them quickly released, which undermines our ability
to protect our community and ensure safety. We need a
bipartisan solution to address repeat offenders who do not face
consequences for their actions my gosh, she sounds like a Republican,
and those who cannot get treatment for their mental illnesses
and are allowed to be on the streets. We have
partnered before on legislation like North Carolina's Pre Trial Integrity Act,
and we stand ready to partner again at the local, state,
and federal level. I want to assure the community we
are taking action and will continue to take action. Last week,
Katz Leadership presented to Charlotte City Council and the Metropolitan
Transit Commission about the ongoing work to address safety and
security on our public transit system over the past two years,
we have doubled the number of CATS security personnel, triple
the safety and security budget from five point eight million
to nearly eighteen million, and are shifting from a corporate
security model towards a stronger transit policing model. I must
confess I do not know the difference between those two models,
but that does seem like an admission of failure, right
that the model you were using, a corporate security model,
now going to a transit policing model, which she describes
as stronger, which then begs the question why weren't you
Why weren't you using a stronger model in.
Speaker 1: The first place?
Speaker 2: She says, effective immediately, security personnel on CATS will be
redeployed for a stronger presence on Blue Line platforms and
to increase fair enforcement because this guy who murdered the
Ukrainian refugee had not paid the fare, as most people
really don't even need to pay the fare, because you
just walk up jump on a train, and the chances
that you're going to get caught on the train pretty low,
and even if you are caught, you just jump off
right or you buy the ticket as you see somebody
approaching checking fares and then you do your digital app
on your phone boop, and you make the just right
then and there so very and there are no turnstiles
on the platforms, so it's an open quote honor system
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to the phones here and get Steve. Hello, Steve, welcome
to the program.
Speaker 1: How are you?
Speaker 5: I'm good? Thank you?
Speaker 1: Sure?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 5: By Lyles or I should call her vile lies. Oh yeah,
that that hope that sticks. This is another death by
Democrat issue that happened, and Charlotte's received worldwide attention, and
all of her proposed fixes don't address the problem. This
is a This is a function of their policies of
letting people out four time fellings, fourteen time felons, letting
them out cashless bail, defunding the police, Gary McFadden's policies,
our police chief's policies. All of us are at increased
risk because of these Democrats. It is not a putting
thirty police officers on a on a railway. That's not
going to stop this. It needs to be stopped at
the source. I'm just I'm outraged. I mean, you know
both city is turning into Baltimore.
Speaker 1: Well, okay, so a couple of things I think you do.
You do actually.
Speaker 2: Help reduce crime by putting more cops on trains and
on streets, more police presidence acts as a deterrent.
Speaker 1: So I believe.
Speaker 2: I believe that, But then what happens after the police
and I think the mayor is correct here that the
police officers arrest people only to have them quickly released
now to your point, these are the quote soft on
crime policies that undergird the leftist project which the Democrat
Party has now been captured by. And so I don't
know if they can offer the kinds of policy changes
to keep people who are you know, mentally unstable, to
keep them off the streets. And that's what this case
really boils down to. In particular, You've got this judge,
Roy Wiggins, who is the he is the chief District
Court judge. He was the judge that a couple months
ago said this guy, this attacker, needed to have a
PsychEval and ordered, but then released him. So like, if
you recognize that the man is mentally unwell, why do
you release him before the psych eval? Right? But they did,
and then a couple of weeks later he murders this woman.
Now the case goes back before Roy Wiggins, who now says,
no bond and a psych eval and oh, by the way,
he may not be competent to stand trial, so he
will claim insanity as a reason why he should not
be convicted.
Speaker 1: Right, So like he's gonna get he's going to.
Speaker 2: Get all the benefit of being crazy when it comes
time to adjudicate him.
Speaker 1: For his crimes.
Speaker 2: But he's never held for you know, for the evil
or for an involuntary commitment. When you recognize these symptoms
that he is not well, that he is insane. But no,
when you see that in the first appearances, you just
let him back out onto the street, so we get
to be preyed upon by him. But now that he's
actually killed somebody, now it's like, okay, a lot of
media attention.
Speaker 1: Now we're going to hold him.
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, he may actually avoid you know,
a life in prison term because he's insane.
Speaker 5: Yeah. No, in this instance, yes you have that, but
you have many sane people who are also committing crimes
because they're sertalized. There is no deterrent for them to
do otherwise. Right, And if you cannot afford to put
security in the transit system, why don't you raise money
through bail? Raise money through the funds you collect from
these criminals that you keep letting out with zero bail.
Speaker 2: So a couple things. Number one, I think the state
legislature needs to needs to not be taking as much
money out of the local court systems as they do.
I think they need to allow that local money to
stay local to hire and have it dedicated for you know,
district attorney's budgets, police officer budgets, public safety budgets in general.
I think that's that's part of it. Because the judicial
system actually generates more revenue than it costs. So that
has historically been the case, and so I think that
the legislature needs to stop drawing money.
Speaker 1: Out of the of the local judicial systems. Number one.
Speaker 2: But the other thing you mentioned there is the casualist bail,
and the casualist bail that's become a pillar of the
social justice left. So I don't know if Democrats would
be willing to go along with something like that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's just another death by Democrat and
nothing will change until we have a massive shift in
our political makeup in North Carolina.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, today is the primary for these municipal races.
So if people would like to register their disgruntlement at
the current state of affairs, you can vote against all
of the incumbents that are up for election, including the
mayor herself by Lyles.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I did, and I hope others do as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, Steve. I appreciate the call man.
Thank you.
Speaker 2: And I do believe that the election, the primary election
season that we are in and have been in for
the last few weeks, along with the transit tax increase
referendum coming down to us for a vote in November,
I think that's what paralyzed a lot of these Democrats
from in leadership from responding. I think they hope that
it would just kind of go away and they would
be able to get through this primary season and then maybe,
you know, give it a couple of weeks, nobody will
be talking about the story anymore and it won't jeopardize
the referendum campaign. On the text line, Frank says, I
think vy Lyle's initial response to this murder as really
the ultimate attention getter. I don't know if you're saying
that that's what brought the national attention, that would not
be my opinion. One who has followed this from the
very beginning. The national attention began this weekend. The first
stories that began being reported about this from a national perspective,
they came after the release of the video. And then
going back, when these stories get written, you go back
to see if you're the reporter, you go back to see, Okay,
what has been the local response, and that's when you
put into the story the response from the mayor, which
was suboptimal, shall we say.
Speaker 1: So, you see the.
Speaker 2: Video on the social media and then you see the
response and it's like, what the hell is going on
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want to remain? Video was on social media two weeks ago.
Speaker 1: Wrong Troll Wrong.
Speaker 2: The video from the cats bus was released after a
freedom of information request from several news organizations. That request
was finally fulfilled on Friday, and that's why the video
got posted over the weekend, which then generated all of
the media attention at the national and even international level.
And you don't have to believe me. You can go
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go find the tracking of stories and you can see
I am not lying to you. The explosion of coverage
began this weekend. I know this for a fact. So
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Speaker 1: Brenda, Welcome to the program.
Speaker 4: Hello Brenda, good morning, and I love your show afternoon.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you, love.
Speaker 4: It and you speak the truth always one percent. It
was put out Friday, she died on the twenty second.
It went viral on TikTok.
Speaker 1: With the videkein right with the video, that's why with the.
Speaker 4: Video exactly, and until President Trump spoke out, vy Lyles
did not change her story. She was for the criminals
and sympathy. Never mentioned the young beautiful girl's name who
was sitting on the tram minding her own business. Again
and no one offered to help this girl.
Speaker 2: No that well, no, no, that's okay, that's that's that's
that's not true though. When yeah, yeah, when she was
when she was stabbed, there were people. One guy took
his shirt off, tried to uh, you know, stop the
bleeding with it somebody, uh performed CPR. There were a
lot of people on the train. They didn't even know
what had happened because it wasn't like a gunshot went off,
you know, it's such a it was such a quiet
attack on a loud train.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he just stood up, he walked away.
Speaker 4: He walked away, and everybody's still looking at their phones,
and he's dripping blood everywhere, talking to hisself. Nobody ran
off that train. They all walked up. I mean, if
you look at the video, yeah, I have the sports self.
Speaker 1: Right, But that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: The people of the people who were there who were
not on their phones, they were they were talking to
their friends that were on the train. People didn't realize
because where he walked to get off the train was
a good you know, sixty seventy feet away, I want
to say, from where he had attacked her, So they
weren't aware of what had happened down farther on the train.
And so when he walked past them and he's dripping
the blood and he's talking to himself, and they're just
ignoring him, because that's what you have to do on
a train. You ignore the guys that are talking to
themselves and obviously crazy because you don't want any trouble.
And then people started noticing the blood crazy.
Speaker 4: He is not crazy. He is an evil person.
Speaker 1: He could be bud.
Speaker 4: He should have not been turned loose. Our judges and
the court systems let this young girl down.
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, they absolutely he is.
Speaker 4: Anyone that turned him loose knowing he was a criminal.
I mean they do it every day. I even tried
to vote this morning. I'm in the wrong district. I
got into an argument with the lady. Everybody's a Democrat
where I went to vote in Mallard Creek.
Speaker 1: That's a Demo.
Speaker 4: I wanted to vote. I want vote for Tear the
car's wife.
Speaker 1: You're not in her distort.
Speaker 4: Of course, I'm not in district right, so you can't
vote for it. And that's not fair.
Speaker 1: We should know it is fair. That's the district system, Brenda.
You can't vote in somebody else's district. You have to
vote where you live.
Speaker 2: So there's only one Republican primary for the district six.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 2: Now, that's why I register on affiliated. I can vote
in either party's primary. That's why I do that. And
unfortunately I'm outside city limits, so I can't vote against
the mayor in this race.
Speaker 1: I can't vote against the incumbents, but that's what I
would do. All right. That'll do it for this episode.
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