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Speaker 1: Well off of a weekend and has seen follow up

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rematch wins for Michayla Mayer and William Sapaida, plus other

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world title action that we're going to go over. We're

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ready to recap all of it here on the Fight

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Preach Unit Recap pot. I am merely a somewhat competent

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host TJ reeves. He is smiling ear to ear for

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numerous reasons. Oh wait a minute, the Yankees just hit

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another home run. Hello Dan Rayfield from the Fight Freaks

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Unite substack and newsletter. Good to be with you. You've had

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a heck of a weekend. Happy anniversary to missus, Rayfield.

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Yankees literally hit like four home runs in the first

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inning of a home game the other day. They're up

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to like, I think ten or twelve home runs on

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the weekend against Milwaukee. You're smiling about that. You're smiling

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about duke basketball. You're smiling because we have lots of

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fights to go over. You're smiling for a lot of reasons.

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Speaker 2: Yes, sir, So.

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Speaker 1: Let's get into everything after we tell you thank you

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for finding us. We are here completing the month of March,

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believe or not. On the podfeed, usually twice a weekend

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preview going into the weekend recap coming off the weekend,

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which is what you're listening to right now. Subscribe follow

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on Apple, Spreaker, Spotify. Let's get into it up first

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for the weekend. Let's talk about the top rank ESPN show,

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and as I said at the top, same song, second verse,

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Mikayla Mayer wins a decision over Sandy Ryan to retain

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the WBA Women's welterweight title. Pretty impressive, pretty easy decision

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win for her. That's me saying that. What are your

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thoughts in the recap motives?

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Speaker 2: We again, I thought Michaela Mayer looked fantastic. I mean,

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she looked about as good as she's looked in any

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of her title fights anyway in her career. She dominated.

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It was a masterclass the first fight that took place

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last fall. You know, we know out all the controversy

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with the paint throwing and the trainer tension because of

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the trainer that was with Mikaela Kaikroma kay Caroma, who

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ended up working with Sandy not telling her. She felt

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agrieved by that, all the drama and everything related to that.

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But when the two women got in the ring, they

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put on a heck of a fight and it was

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super close, and Mikaela won that fight, took the WBO

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Women's welterweight world title, won a title in her second

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weight division, and that was her coming off of a

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loss against Natasha Jonas in a very close, another outstanding fight.

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So Michaela's made a series of exciting fights and now

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they did the rematch. She didn't have to give it

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to her. I thought when Michaela spoke after the fight

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and she said, in essence, you know, I wanted to

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give Sandy the rematch because it was warranted. That's what

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I believe. It wasn't a contractual thing. It wasn't, you know,

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nobody forced it. She wanted it. I thought it was

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a great fight. She deserved it, and I like that attitude.

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If the rematch happens, it should because it was a

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great fight and the fans want to see it, not

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because of some signed piece of paper, regardless of how

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the fight goes. So they did the rematch, and I

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didn't think it was as exciting in terms of the

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action as the first fight, but it was still really good.

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It was still fun to watch, but it was way

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more dominant from Mikaela Mayor. There was no crazy drama

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or anything about it with paint throwing or anything like that.

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The different set was sort of interesting. Was that Kay Caroma,

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the trainer I mentioned, even though he helped prepare Sandy

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for the first fight, he actually just was there at

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the arena. I guess he had something else on the car.

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this fight, he was her head trainer and he was

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in the corner, and he had been with Mikala pretty

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much since the beginning of her professional career and obviously

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knows her boxing abilities and style just about as well

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as anybody except maybe Al Mitchell, who was, you know,

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her main trainer and had been with her from day

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one and still is with her. Anyway, mikaeleb I thought

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it was pretty much close to a shot up. I

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scored the fight nine rounds to one. I know the

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official scorecards were ninety eight ninety two and ninety seven

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ninety three twice, so the two of the judges gave

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Sandy three rounds. Actually kind of thought that was being

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a little generous. She did have some nice moments in

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the last few rounds of the fight probably the eighth

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able to give it to her the most. Mikaela had

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a good tenth round. She won the tenth round in

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my opinion anyway. But she puts this rivalry behind her.

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weeks ago you had the three belt unification between Lauren

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Price and Natasha Jonas, one of Michaela's rivals. Price won

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that fight easily unified three of the belts. Stood in

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the ring after that match in London and said she

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wanted to fight the winner of this fight between Ryan

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and Michaela for undisputed. Mikayla said the same thing after

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she won. Give me Lauren Price, Let's go for undisputed.

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You know that Mikaela is fearless when it comes to traveling.

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to the UK where it would be a bigger money fight.

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performed well. She has a profile among boxing fans in

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the UK. That'll be that'll be one of the you know,

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not be on the level of say, you know, the

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third fight between Serrano and Katie Taylor. But as women's

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you can make in women's boxing right now. If you

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match up Mikaela and Lauren for the undisputed title, just

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a tremendous battle. But look Sandy Ryan, you know she's

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a good fighter. But she didn't. She didn't come close

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to even come close to winning. She didn't.

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Speaker 1: No, no, not at all.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you one thing. TJ and Mikayla, who has

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come up from one hundred and thirty. She's had one

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fight at lightweight after she lost her title. She fought

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one fight at junior welter wader like very slightly over.

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though she lost a close, debatable decision to Jonas. Now

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she's really I feel like, grown into welterweight. She's looks strong,

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she looked fast, she was accurate, she's got a good chin.

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I mean, she's a I can still ring. I was

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at her professional debut and I was sitting at the

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ringside area and I'm sitting like five feet from the ring,

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and Al Mitchell, the trainer, the whole fight the whole fight.

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about this, just screaming. I can still hear it. Use

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the jab, Use the jab, like the whole fight, like

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like okay, I think she knows she's supposed to use

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the jab. Okay, So to take her who was as

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raw as could be, as prospected as there could be,

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because who the heck knew if she was going to

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develop into a top fighter or just you know, you know,

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be gone in a few fights. From that moment as

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a young professional, she has legitimately developed over these last

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several years into one of the top handful of women's

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boxers in the world, and that is a testament to

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her hard work, to her team's hard work, to top ranks,

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hard work, her manager, George Ruiz, Al Mitchell obviously now

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the one in the ring holding past and doing the

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on the myths. You know, I think he's a bit

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too old for that at this point, but he's still

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got an amazing boxing mind. And John Tua, who for

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his time was a top junior middleweight contender. You know

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he does that, that work in the gym. They got

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a great team and uh, she's putting together. Uh in

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terms of women's boxing, a Hall of fame kind of resume.

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Speaker 1: Agreed, it's not everything, but I mean she's won some

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important fights. She's headlined for good money, if not great

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money in the UK and has some notoriety there and

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has some rivalry there, and that's what kind of stoked

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the Sandy Ryan thing. And now she is headlining again.

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female to headline for top ranked boxing and this was

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I think the third main event that she's had headlining

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one of their cards. So good for her.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you had a Sinisa Strada headlined for them.

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I mean, but it's uh, you know, it's she's She's

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Here's the thing. It gets to a point now where

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if I hear Mikhaila Mayer is fighting, I'm not thinking

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about like, oh, it's just a women's title fight. I'm like, okay,

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you know who's she fighting. I'm interested to watch it.

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on a very brief tangent years ago, when women's boxing

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was sort of when I first started, and women's boxing

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was still like a curiosity and you had great women

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fighters like a Christy Martin, a Laila Ali people like that.

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we're gonna see Lail Ali fight. We're gona see Christy.

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Speaker 1: Martin fight, right right.

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Speaker 2: The sport is developed with an influx of talented women.

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now boxing is on the Olympics, so they've they've been

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able to develop themselves with their skills. Now it's not

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just about I want to see mikhale or I want

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to see Sandy Ryan, or I want to see you know, Serrono, Taylor, Claressa,

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you know you name it, the Jonas, pick a pick

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a woman. Now it's about matchups. I want to see

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Mayor against Lauren Price. I want to see the third

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fight between Taylor Toronal And that's where women's boxing has

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of echosystem.

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Speaker 1: I agree, so big win for her that headlined the

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show and then the next two fights. Is I like

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to say that we're gonna go over. We don't need

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no stinking judges because they were both wipeouts. Brian Norman

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successfully defends his WBO welterweight title, blasting out Derek Quavis,

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and then we'll get to Shoeshoe Carrington and his knockout win.

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So go ahead first on Norman, who you talked to

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in the preview mode on this pod, and he delivered

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and now has set himself up, obviously for a much

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bigger opportunity financially and significance otherwise in the welterweight division.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if you can watch boxing right now

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and see what he did and the way he speaks

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and the way he carries himself and go back and

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watches beat down of Giovanni Santition. That was when he

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won the interim belt that later became the full belt

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when Terrence Crawford vacated and not be a fan of

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his and interested to watch his fights. He's a compelling

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fighter in terms of his personality. He's a compelling fighter

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in terms of his boxing style in the ring. And

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this was, as you mentioned, his first defense, coming off

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ten months layoff, coming off of a hand injury that

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was largely responsible for that layoff m HM, and he

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took on Derek Kavis. So okay, he's not gonna be

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on anybody's pound for poundless anytime soon. But he came

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in with a good record. They made the point which

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we discussed also had never been stopped. It just had

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the one loss, had never been knocked down. You know,

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seemed like he was energetic and interested the fight of

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you know, going into the fight, not so much at

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the end of the fight, you know, and he just

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got beat down. I mean, Brian Norman took about a round,

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as he said in his postfight interview, to you know,

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saw I shook that off real quick. He got he

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got clipped with a left hook to the body in

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the first round. That sort of seemed to maybe, you know,

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catch him by surprise, let's say. But other than that

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one punch, this was a absolute wipeout bye by Brian Norman.

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his feet. When he got up, you know, he kind

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of thought maybe the fight will continue. But he walked

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to the corner, which is normal, but he never really

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turned around face the referee Tom Taylor. I thought, who

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was the ref who I think is the best referend

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boxing right now? Showed restraint because he could immediately waived it.

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He actually said to him, because you could catch him

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on the audio, do you want to go on something

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to that effect, and Quavis literally, you know one two,

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never answered and at that point, when you're a referee,

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you have no choice but to call it off. And

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he did, and that was a dominating third round stoppage

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for Brian Norman. A good way to get back in

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his team, or our top rank, or anybody involved with

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a professional as well as a fighter, nobody is going

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to be worried about matching this guy up with a

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top welter rate. He was talking about, I want to

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fight a unification. He called out, you know, the winner

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of what will be the fight on April twelfth between

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Jeron Ennis and Amanta Stanionis who meet to unify the

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IBF and WBA titles. Remember there was conversations before this

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Quaves fight, before he you know, decided to withdraw because

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of the injury that was still a problem with his

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left hand. Uh. There was conversations about making the match

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with the NS unification. It didn't happen, So that to me,

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that's a prime type of fight. Uh, he says, the

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left hand is healthy. It certainly looked that way. He

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landed a tremendous amount of left talks. That was the

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money punch. That's the punch that scored the knockdown. It

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was a dominating victory. And you can count me as

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a Brian Norman fan. I'm anxious and interested to see

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him back in the ring as soon as possible, even

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if he doesn't get a unification fight TJ because those

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can take a long time right to make. But the

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good news is because he just fought on Saturday, and

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the unification fight between Stanionis and Ennis is only in

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two weeks. They're basically on the same schedule obviously, so

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there'd be if there's a desire on the behalf of

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either a guy who wins in two weeks and on

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Norman's team, that's a fight to get again.

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Speaker 1: Call you crazy, call you crazy. It crazy. But Innis

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has been talking about I want to be undisputed. I

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want to collect the belts. They're fighting on the same

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timeline they were negotiating before. Can we have good things

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and we have good things at one forty seven.

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Speaker 2: Let's see even if Stanionis is the winner, right, you know,

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the ability for top rank and Stanionis's people he's with PBC,

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for them to be able to work together is much

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easier now than it's been in recent times. So there's

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literally no reason not to do that match with Norman,

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particularly if it's Ennis, because he's the one that keeps

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talking about. Yes, he wants to be undisputed, but there's

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also a time frame that is important to him because

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he is having trouble making forty seven. He wants to

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get done and get out of the division, to go

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up to fifty four as quickly as possible. So right,

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we'll see.

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Speaker 1: All right, So Norman victorious by KO and Shoe Shoe Carrington,

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who you talk to in the in the build up mode,

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he delivered. Now say what you want about level of competition,

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but goodness, the guy can talk, and the guy delivered

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a spectacular performance with a third round TKO. So follow

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up on.

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Speaker 2: That, listen, Carrington This was the best he's looking a

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long time, because if you remember, it was a couple

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of fights ago where he looked very pedestrian against Sagawa,

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a lot of people thought he probably didn't deserve to

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get that win, even though he got a very close

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majority decision. When he came back, he fought the fight

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on in November, he boxed on the undercard when Mike

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Tyson and Jake Paul fought. He fought a fighter named

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Dana cool Well. I mean, he looked okay in that fight.

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He looked fine. He won an eight round decision. You know,

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he dropped him a couple of times in that fight,

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but it wasn't like a dynamic dominant know, it was

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a dominating performers, not all that dynamic, let's say. And

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that you know, so he hadn't had a knockout in

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a little bit, you know, two fights, which for him

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was sort of unusual. But Enrique Vivas was a guy

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who had never been stopped, who had had three losses,

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but all against good opponents, all guys who had fought

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for world titles. That Wardo Baya is Rubin Villa and

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the very tough always in good fights. Joet Gonzalez. So,

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as we mentioned in the preview, his mandate, if you will,

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in this fight, which was a WBC official final eliminator

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by the way, still pissed at it. It was a

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ten round or not a twelve round schedule fight, but

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that doesn't matter because he got him out of their

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way before ten or twelve. But the point was his mandate,

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so to speak from for himself and I and I

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think from people that pay attention, was okay, this guy

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Vivis has lost to these three guys who fought for

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world titles and gave them not necessarily where he was

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winning rounds necessarily, but was tough, tough as nails, you know,

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made it, made it a fight. Can he do that

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but also get rid of the guy? Can he separate

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himself from those three boxers who had fought for world titles.

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The answer TJ was a resounding yes, because he dusted

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Vivas in three rounds. He was never in the fight,

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He dominated, he stopped him. He looked really good and

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and and then in the postfight interview, you know, again

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it's marketability, but it has to go along with ability.

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This kid as both. It feels like, so he's got

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the ability to do what he did in the ring.

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But then you turn to the post fight interview and

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not just this one, what others you could listen to

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in his career. He makes you want to see him

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more because he's like, he looks right in the camera

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and he's like, I'm gonna be real specific with who

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I want. He said, I'm gonna greem that quote you

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I want what I call these people? Nick Ball? Yeah,

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I want that one WBC Stephen Fulton, Yeah, I want that.

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Let's get that work, bro, I want to fight you all.

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I'm top five and all of the sanctioned bodies right now.

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Stop running, stop playing, Let's get this work. And so

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then at that point, our good pal Mark Kriegel asked me.

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He says, what about the tall guy? You know he

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was referencing because Nick Ball is obviously on the on

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the shorter side. He says, what about the tall guy

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her stablemate at a top rank Espinoza, meaning Rafael Espinosa

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of the WBO title holder. He says, I'll chop that

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tree down too. Stop playing. You got to ask him

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the question if he wants to fight me, the real question.

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He said, He'll fight whoever, and I know what he

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will fight whoever, I have no doubt about it. Now,

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this fight was the official final eliminator for the WBC,

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so it makes him the mandatory for Stephen Fulton. But

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there's been a lot of rumors and circulating conversations that

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that Stephen Fulton's on his way to one hundred and

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thirty pounds and not going to stick around there. He's

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been tied to a possible fight against top rank WBC

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champion Oshaki Foster. But I'll tell you what, Nick Ball

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probably waiting for that in a way lottery ticket. I

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think the fight they could probably make the easiest of

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the three anyway and put it on somewhat more quickly

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would be if you were to they could make a

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match between him and Raphael Espinoza. That's an all top

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ranked fight. I don't really see what the issues are.

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There's no mandatory things in the way, there's no there's

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no reason why that couldn't happen. It's just a matter of,

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you know, if Espinoza, like like he said, is he

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wanted anyway, Carrington looked good. I mean, yep, if you're

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gonna have fightstep end early that turn out to not

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be competitive at least make it exciting, and that's exactly

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what Bruce Shueshu Carrington did. That's exactly what Brian Norman

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Junior did. And then obviously the main event, m Mayer

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did what she did in an exciting fight that wasn't

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that competitive but was very compelling after what they had

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performed between her and Sandy in the first fight. So

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there was a lot, there was a lot to offer

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on that kind of show. But you can never beat TJ.

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A good knockout and then some good job.

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Speaker 1: We love that with Shoeshoe. He's a Hall of Fame

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talker already and don't even have a world title yet.

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We love that. Okay, So there's the top rank ESPN

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card in Vegas. Let's go to the Dizone Golden Boys

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show in Cancun, Mexico, where William Zapeeda did win, this

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time a twelve round majority decision win over Tevin Farmer.

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Very competitive in the back half of the fight again,

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but Zapaeida does get the win. He retains his WBC

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Interim lightweight title. He's the number one guy at lightweight.

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Speaker 2: Number one, number one can tender, number one, number.

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Speaker 1: One contender at lightweight in all four classifications, I should say,

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all right, so what do you make of this? Where

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Zapeida did get the win. It was close again, and

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Farmer deserves a lot of credit because Zapeida, from what

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I saw, had control of this fighting. You were wady,

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both of you. You and I both had the ko.

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We had the KO on the bet Us show, and

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Farmer was too tough to let it happen. Go ahead.

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Speaker 2: It was actually Farmer that that he that Zepaida almost

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did get the knockout. I mean, it was looking really

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good there early on. Look, first of all, let's I'm

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gonna jump ahead to the end of the fight real quick,

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because it was Kevin Farmer once again in his post

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fight interview, feeling a grieve, like he was robbed, like

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he was ripped off. It turn out that he had

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lost a majority decision in this fight. And you know,

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I know he put in a lot of effort in

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the fight. He gave it a great effort. He made

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it a good fight, obviously. But I get the sour

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grapes start getting getting getting getting annoying to me because

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he's he always finds just enough to lose, you know

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what I mean. Like in the first fight, He also

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lost a really close decision to Williams of Painton. That

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was back that was a ten round fight that was

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back in November in Saudi Arabia. That was a very

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close fight. That was a split decision lost, and he

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was moaning about that. Also, here's the reality. If you're

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gonna give away a whole bunch of rounds, what the

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hell do you expect? And again, I have nothing but

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respect for Tevin Farmer as a fighter, as a person,

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but you have to kind of have to take a

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step back and be honest with yourself if you go

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back and you watch the fight. Yeah, they were both

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close fights. They were both good fights. You got him

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in a knockdown in the first fight. He had him

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in trouble in the second fight. But you didn't win

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enough rounds, uh to win the bout. And and and

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at his most base, if you're not going to get

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a knockout, it only comes down to mathematics. Adding in

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this you know ten to nine and ten to eight

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if there's a knockdown or point deduction to that type

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of thing. He just didn't win enough fights. But that said,

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first five rounds he got dominated, correct, he gave the

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I would say he gave them away. Part of it

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was because he hurt his hand, his left hand, which

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you know is hard to deal with the vire A

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south ball, which he did in the first round. It

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looked like so he point.

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Speaker 1: Is, if I can interject, it's a big hole when

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you're down five to nothing.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and there on.

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Speaker 1: That's the point.

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Speaker 2: And it wasn't like a five nothing where it's like

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kind of a questionable five nothing. It was like, yeah,

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that's a pretty easy five nothing. So then he comes

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back and he and he almost and he almost knocked

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he almost got knocked out. I mean, he's he's doing it.

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He was definitely Yes, there's no doubt about it. I

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mean Zepaida was just all over him with the with

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the body attack, and he was right on the verge

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of stopping him. This is in the fifth round. He

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was just hammering him into the body. The referee was

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like poised to jump in, and I was like, okay,

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this may be this maybe over and out.

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Speaker 1: Sin Reeves and Redfield cat exactly the beat Us show.

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But it didn't happen. And Farmer's tough. We knew that.

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But he did come back say I understand what you're saying,

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but you can't belly aate. Then after the fight in

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a close fight in Mexico against the number one fighter,

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I get it. I get he did, but he did.

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Speaker 2: Farmer did come back even with the hand injury and

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landed and kept throwing the left hand even though it

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was obviously injured. In the sixth round, we had a

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big round. So now he's starting to come back a

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little bit. Now, Okay, he did land a couple of

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nice shots at the end of the fifth round, but

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not enough to win the round. So he definitely wins

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the sixth round. That was his best round. So even

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if you give him a few more of the rounds,

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which he deserved, no doubt about it, but he didn't

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sweep the rest of the fight. Didn't win seven rounds

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in a row. So the way the scores were, I

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felt like the drawscore card that one of the judges

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had still was out of line because I still felt

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like Zapeida, based on the punches landed, how hard the

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punches appeared, and just his overall controlling the fight, even

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though Farmer was game and was thrown back, just wasn't

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00:22:08,559 --> 00:22:10,440
enough to shade every single one of those rounds. So

472
00:22:10,759 --> 00:22:12,799
for me, I feel like you could have scored that

473
00:22:12,799 --> 00:22:16,039
fight easily seven to five for sure in favor of Zebeta.

474
00:22:16,559 --> 00:22:19,119
Fout eighty four would have been a fair score. So again,

475
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:21,759
I understand the emotion. You put in a hard training camp.

476
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:25,079
You know, you came to Mexico, you took a tough fight.

477
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,359
You're now disappointed because you lost two in a row.

478
00:22:27,759 --> 00:22:30,440
But the belly aching is just I get.

479
00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,240
Speaker 1: So. Most importantly for Zappeida, realistically, does he get a

480
00:22:36,319 --> 00:22:39,119
title fight in his next fight? We've been talking about

481
00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:41,240
Shakur Stevenson. What do you think?

482
00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:44,440
Speaker 2: Look, the Chakort fight was on schedule to happen and

483
00:22:44,480 --> 00:22:46,920
then it ended up not happening because both guys ended

484
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,559
up with different kinds of injuries that caused, you know,

485
00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:53,119
a shuffle of the schedule. Now that Zepeta is through

486
00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:56,400
this fight, Chakurt, you know, won his fight recently that

487
00:22:56,519 --> 00:23:00,480
was in Saudi Arabia, they're close to each other on schedule,

488
00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,440
and so I would hope that the WBC would once

489
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:06,960
again mandate that fight, which they should because they had

490
00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:09,599
mandated it before, and that the two sides can make

491
00:23:09,640 --> 00:23:12,920
an agreement and they'll do the fight. Whether that actually

492
00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:15,079
happens or not, I have no idea, because Golden Boy

493
00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:18,440
may find another opportunity for him for some other belt

494
00:23:18,519 --> 00:23:20,640
that maybe they'll be a better financial deal. Same thing

495
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:23,319
goes for Shakur, who's going to be in his next

496
00:23:23,319 --> 00:23:25,279
fight of his deal with Matchroom Boxing. It's going to

497
00:23:25,319 --> 00:23:27,240
be as I believe his last I think you only

498
00:23:27,279 --> 00:23:29,599
had a two fight deal with Matchum, so that that

499
00:23:29,839 --> 00:23:31,759
might be the fight they opt to do or not

500
00:23:31,799 --> 00:23:36,079
opt to do. Business in boxing, it's like a chessboard.

501
00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,440
You know, they're trying to make the right fights, but

502
00:23:38,480 --> 00:23:41,079
it's all about what's the right opportunity, what's the right money,

503
00:23:42,119 --> 00:23:45,440
you know. So at this moment in time, hopefully the

504
00:23:45,839 --> 00:23:48,160
WBC orders the fight and they'll make the match. But

505
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,480
I wouldn't like necessarily bet like a stack of money

506
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,519
on it. I mean, who knows, But I will say this,

507
00:23:52,880 --> 00:23:55,720
if they do make the fight, it's a very interesting

508
00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:58,640
fight because the styles could not be more different. You

509
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,519
saw how much has struggled in two fights, even though

510
00:24:01,519 --> 00:24:05,400
he won against a crafty southpaw like Tevin Farmer. Right,

511
00:24:05,519 --> 00:24:08,359
with all due respect to Tevin Farmer, Chaquurse Stevenson is

512
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,519
many years younger, he quicker.

513
00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:14,119
Speaker 1: He ain't skilled and and and uh and talented and

514
00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,119
younger like I'm with you. I'm with you.

515
00:24:17,160 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 2: So it's just going to be a matter if they

516
00:24:18,720 --> 00:24:21,799
match it up ken chakor do that boxing brilliance or

517
00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,160
is it paida gonna overwhelming in me aby to land

518
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:27,000
some good punches. Uh and and and dent that chin

519
00:24:27,079 --> 00:24:29,720
of Chakurs. We'll see. I mean, it's a fascinating fight.

520
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,319
Hopefully it will happen.

521
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,759
Speaker 1: All right on the undercard, fun fighter. We talked about

522
00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:37,680
it in the preview mode. Oscar Colaso gets another knockout,

523
00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:42,359
retains the WBO and w BA strawweight unified titles. Uh,

524
00:24:42,400 --> 00:24:44,519
tell me more about the ko. I gotta confess, I

525
00:24:44,519 --> 00:24:46,519
did not see this. I just know the result that

526
00:24:46,559 --> 00:24:48,680
he knocked out Edwin Cano and what is next for

527
00:24:48,759 --> 00:24:49,880
Colaso real quick.

528
00:24:50,480 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 2: Well number one? Uh Kalaso continues to just sort of

529
00:24:53,799 --> 00:24:56,359
romp through the strawweight division. Okay, granted it's not a

530
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,400
very deep division at this moment in time. Uh. He

531
00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,279
obviously he was able to unify very impressively on that

532
00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:05,000
same card in Saudi Arabia in November. That was on

533
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:08,319
the same card with Zapeida against Farmer Number one where

534
00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:10,839
he beat your boy Neo. I'm trong to unify. This

535
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:14,279
was his first fight since then, and Cano was the

536
00:25:14,279 --> 00:25:16,559
guy that was supposed to fight before they were able

537
00:25:16,599 --> 00:25:18,400
to make the fight with the unification, and so they

538
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:20,839
brought him back into the Basically they were like, hey, wait,

539
00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,720
one more fight. We're going to do the unification, but

540
00:25:22,720 --> 00:25:24,200
we're still going to give you the opportunity. So that's

541
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:28,160
what they did. And Klauso, to me one hundred five

542
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,920
pounds or two hundred five pounds, is one of the

543
00:25:29,960 --> 00:25:33,039
more exciting fighters in boxing. He's got a personality, he's

544
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:35,519
got good power, yeah, and he showed that power against Cano,

545
00:25:35,599 --> 00:25:37,920
who gave it a good effort but just was no

546
00:25:38,039 --> 00:25:40,440
match for the skills or for the power and the

547
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:44,559
right hook from the south paw Colaso was the devastating weapon.

548
00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,000
And basically he just took us time. He broke him down,

549
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:49,200
beat him up, and then landed, you know, when he

550
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:51,279
was kind of already kind of tired out, and you

551
00:25:51,319 --> 00:25:53,440
know he kind of could feel the end was near,

552
00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,119
land in a beautiful body shot with the right hook,

553
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:59,839
and you know, Cano very dramatically in a way, collapsed

554
00:25:59,839 --> 00:26:01,680
to the canvas, down to his all. I think it

555
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:03,799
was all fours. He spit the mouthpiece out and he

556
00:26:03,839 --> 00:26:06,160
wasn't getting up. That was all she wrote. So Kalaso

557
00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,079
racks up another knockout wain. Now you say what's next?

558
00:26:09,079 --> 00:26:13,279
So he's now maintained the titles, uh exciting fighters, still undefeated,

559
00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,359
has you know, I think a developing fan base at

560
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:18,200
home in Puerto Rico. I love the fact that he

561
00:26:18,279 --> 00:26:20,240
was fearless. He just said fucking then went to Mexico

562
00:26:20,279 --> 00:26:23,160
to fight the Mexican You gotta love, you gotta respect that.

563
00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,200
So now the the the obvious he wants to be

564
00:26:27,240 --> 00:26:28,799
on All these guys want to be on disputed. They

565
00:26:28,839 --> 00:26:31,599
love to collect belt so that there has never been

566
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,839
an undisputed Straway champion in uh instory of the sport.

567
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:38,720
Number one. All right, So the obvious match in the match,

568
00:26:38,759 --> 00:26:41,799
and I'm sure he would love is against Melvin Jerusalem.

569
00:26:41,839 --> 00:26:45,319
Now Melvin Jerusalem has the WBC Straway title on so,

570
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:49,480
so Kalaso won the fight Saturday night. Kalaso he defended

571
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:53,640
the title in a rematch against uh uh Udi shig

572
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:57,119
Yoka in Japan. That took place Sunday morning, United States time,

573
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:58,559
and he won.

574
00:26:59,160 --> 00:26:59,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

575
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:02,599
Speaker 2: That was a match where Melvin had upset Shigioka the

576
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,000
first time and and regained the title. And you know,

577
00:27:07,079 --> 00:27:09,880
and Uh went to the went to do the rematch

578
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,440
and won again in a pretty wide decision. So if

579
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,799
you take a look at the Kalaso record, you'll see

580
00:27:14,799 --> 00:27:17,319
that he owns a victory against Melvin Jerusalem.

581
00:27:17,319 --> 00:27:19,880
Speaker 1: He took He took that win over Jerusalem and he

582
00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:22,799
became the fastest Puerto Rican to ever in a world title.

583
00:27:22,839 --> 00:27:27,640
What seventh pro fight stopped Jerusalem? And so wait a minute,

584
00:27:27,839 --> 00:27:30,559
this is second time in the same podcast. Makes too

585
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,039
much sense for boxing that they're angling for this.

586
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:35,640
Speaker 2: Well, it's not that they're angling, it's that it it's

587
00:27:36,039 --> 00:27:37,799
like there's not like a deal in place, righty thing.

588
00:27:37,799 --> 00:27:39,039
It just makes a lot of sense.

589
00:27:39,039 --> 00:27:43,799
Speaker 1: It makes sense. It Colaso Jerusalem to the rematch, right.

590
00:27:43,839 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 2: So here's the point. Though, Jerusalem and him fought in

591
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,960
twenty twenty three, and as you mentioned, it was Klasa

592
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,519
who knocked him out. He knocked him on in the

593
00:27:50,559 --> 00:27:53,680
seventh round and won the WBO title. But this thing is,

594
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,640
since then, Jerusalem has been on a good run. It's

595
00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,400
not like they're just going to make a rematch against

596
00:27:57,400 --> 00:27:58,799
a guy that doesn't have any reason to be in

597
00:27:58,799 --> 00:28:02,559
the rematch. Since that fight with Kalaso, Jerusalem has come

598
00:28:02,599 --> 00:28:04,119
back and he has won four fights in a row,

599
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:08,799
including two against Shigiyoka to you know, have the WBC titles,

600
00:28:08,839 --> 00:28:12,160
so you know, look Strawwaight, the money options are limited

601
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,480
obviously if you're a Colasa or your Shigioka. I don't

602
00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:18,039
think there's a bigger fight. You can make hundred five pounds. Now,

603
00:28:18,079 --> 00:28:20,519
I'm not saying it's some mega fight, but it's absolutely

604
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:23,079
a fight that could be made. It fits the budgets.

605
00:28:23,079 --> 00:28:25,880
Both guys can probably make their career best money. But

606
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,880
it still is not going to break anybody's bank that's

607
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,880
putting on the event. So they could easily do a

608
00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:33,200
unification for the three belts, and you know what, I

609
00:28:33,240 --> 00:28:36,599
think that would be one very interesting fight maybe.

610
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,359
Speaker 1: And again, good for Klaso that he's remained active, and

611
00:28:39,359 --> 00:28:41,640
you've explained because of the budget and the money, he's

612
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,039
not making big money, but he's he's defended and and

613
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,200
Oor won another belt five title fights since the Jerusalem

614
00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:50,920
fight in the last two years, he's fought six times

615
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,359
twenty two months. As a matter of fact, Colaso wait

616
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,400
to stay active. So and let's see if we got

617
00:28:55,400 --> 00:28:56,680
something down around logical.

618
00:28:57,039 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: Yes, you know, if they can have Golden Boy, and

619
00:28:58,720 --> 00:28:59,960
I'm sure they'll try to do it.

620
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: You know.

621
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,039
Speaker 2: To me, it's not a matter of getting Colaso to

622
00:29:02,079 --> 00:29:04,119
do the fight. You got to talk to Jerusaleman, you know,

623
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:06,319
see what the appetite is from his perspective in terms

624
00:29:06,359 --> 00:29:09,079
of the amount of money, because you know that would

625
00:29:09,119 --> 00:29:09,759
be the biggest fight.

626
00:29:09,799 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: Now.

627
00:29:09,920 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: The other fighter out there that's got a belt who

628
00:29:12,319 --> 00:29:17,200
has got no real profile is Pedro Taduran, who is

629
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:21,480
the IBF champion. But commercially anyway or from my perspective

630
00:29:21,519 --> 00:29:24,440
as a American boxing fan, I'm not I would be

631
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,640
happy with either fight. But to me, the Closeta fight

632
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,440
makes the most sense. He got stopped, He's won some

633
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:32,000
fights since then, He's beaten schig Yoga twice. Let's do

634
00:29:32,039 --> 00:29:35,319
the rematch. He's got the WBC title, a more highly

635
00:29:35,359 --> 00:29:37,839
regarded belt, if you will, probably than the IBF anyway,

636
00:29:38,119 --> 00:29:40,640
So I say bring that on, all right.

637
00:29:40,799 --> 00:29:42,599
Speaker 1: What we're gonna now bring on is some news and

638
00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,319
then some nostalgia here off the recaps. Okay, leading things

639
00:29:46,359 --> 00:29:49,759
we found out late last week. Deontay Wilder will return,

640
00:29:49,839 --> 00:29:54,279
the former WBC heavyweight champion who has suffered some losses

641
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:57,160
even recently. And I keep saying it, you agree. I

642
00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,000
believe he's not ever been the same since what Tyson

643
00:30:00,039 --> 00:30:02,839
and Fury did to him in those two wins in

644
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:05,039
twenty twenty and in twenty twenty one. So wild are

645
00:30:05,119 --> 00:30:07,279
going to be back. Give me some of the particulars.

646
00:30:07,839 --> 00:30:11,400
I'm kind of shaking my head here. I realize your point.

647
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,359
And we've heard fighters say this all the time. They're fighters,

648
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:16,680
and this is what they do and this is who

649
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:20,559
they are. But Deontay's gotten a ton of money previously,

650
00:30:20,799 --> 00:30:25,480
and after the beating he took against Jang late was

651
00:30:25,519 --> 00:30:28,000
it late last year? I don't know that I need

652
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,599
to see him anymore. But he is coming back. So

653
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:31,839
give us the particulars coming later this year.

654
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:33,839
Speaker 2: You know what, You can have all the money in

655
00:30:33,839 --> 00:30:37,000
the world, but like anybody, they want to have a purpose,

656
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:40,000
and so his thing is boxing, and I don't think

657
00:30:40,039 --> 00:30:41,480
he wants to go out the way he did. Now

658
00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:44,160
there's a differcing not wanting to and what the reality

659
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,160
of what you can still do as an athlete. Amen,

660
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,119
he's about to find that out, but I don't think

661
00:30:48,160 --> 00:30:51,000
it's going to be against Tyrrell Herndon, who is his opponent.

662
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,200
Coming off the two losses in a row, he's lost

663
00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,039
four of his last five, if you go in the order.

664
00:30:58,319 --> 00:31:01,720
He lost by knockout fight number two against Fury in

665
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:04,640
twenty twenty, fight number three in their Classic in their

666
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:07,599
third fighting twenty one, had a year layoff, came back

667
00:31:07,640 --> 00:31:10,400
SPT a first round knockout against Robert Helenius, then was

668
00:31:10,440 --> 00:31:15,799
off for another what another fourteen months. He had the

669
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,880
loss by decision lopsidedly so against Joseph Parker, and then

670
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,480
he got absolutely knocked into oblivion by Zilly Zang. So

671
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:26,680
it's been a rough go for mister Wilder since twenty twenty,

672
00:31:27,039 --> 00:31:29,559
but he wants to give it another go. He's thirty

673
00:31:29,599 --> 00:31:32,759
nine years old. I would love to see him call

674
00:31:32,799 --> 00:31:34,680
it a day. He's had a great career, made a

675
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:38,440
shitload of money, called the WBC heavyweight title for ten defenses.

676
00:31:38,839 --> 00:31:42,000
I mean, there's nothing that's nothing to sneeze at, and

677
00:31:42,039 --> 00:31:44,680
had I had a historic trilogy with Tyson Fury. That

678
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:47,920
won't soon be forgotten. But nonetheless, he is coming back.

679
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,160
It'll be June twenty seventh. He's fighting in Wichita, Kansas.

680
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:55,519
It's being put on by a an outfit that well

681
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,799
the fight. You can watch the fight on BLK Prime.

682
00:31:57,839 --> 00:32:00,599
It's not a paper yew. That's the misnumber actually checked

683
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:02,759
with the folks that were doing the pr for it.

684
00:32:02,759 --> 00:32:05,119
It's just part of you. If you subscribe to be

685
00:32:05,240 --> 00:32:07,680
LK Prime, it's like six bucks a month. That fight

686
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,119
will come as part of that package. From what they

687
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,079
told me, so he's in a ten rounder. The organizers

688
00:32:14,079 --> 00:32:16,480
of this outfit called Global Fight Collective, they're involved with

689
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:21,240
Alicia Baumgartner. They've worked with her over the years, and

690
00:32:21,279 --> 00:32:24,359
so this is the opportunity to come back, and they

691
00:32:24,440 --> 00:32:27,559
still him and his team still have the desire to

692
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,000
fight Anthony Joshua. I wish they would have had that

693
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:32,160
desire several years ago when it was the most meaningful

694
00:32:32,160 --> 00:32:35,160
fight in boxing, when they were two undefeated champions at

695
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,440
their peak. It would have been for the undisputed title.

696
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,359
It never happened. I still believe if it happens today,

697
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,079
it's not even close to what it should have been,

698
00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:44,039
but it will still create a lot of interest if

699
00:32:44,079 --> 00:32:47,240
it does happen, particularly if Wilder goes in and scores

700
00:32:47,279 --> 00:32:50,880
a spectacular knockout against you know, this lesser type opponent

701
00:32:50,880 --> 00:32:53,240
in Herndon, and we'll see what Joshua's next move is

702
00:32:53,279 --> 00:32:58,759
going to be. But look, the heavyweights in boxers in general,

703
00:32:58,759 --> 00:33:01,359
they'll hang on till the end, but they still see

704
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:04,759
like that one last mega fight or big time event

705
00:33:04,799 --> 00:33:07,599
against Joshua as a possibility which would still be worth

706
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:09,599
you know, millions and millions of dollars to do it.

707
00:33:10,079 --> 00:33:12,640
And I don't think wild there's gonna be you know,

708
00:33:12,640 --> 00:33:14,480
if he's in shape, not gonna be, and he's not

709
00:33:14,519 --> 00:33:16,200
in a lot of harm's way. It doesn't seem to

710
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,839
me in this particular fight. Just so you understand, the

711
00:33:18,839 --> 00:33:22,759
opponent he is facing in Herndon is he's twenty four

712
00:33:22,799 --> 00:33:25,240
and five and he's won three fights in a row,

713
00:33:25,319 --> 00:33:27,240
but he's fought against complete nobody's and just to put

714
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:31,119
him in perspective where he is, it was in twenty

715
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:34,519
twenty three where he got absolutely drilled by Richard Torres Junior,

716
00:33:34,559 --> 00:33:38,440
a prospect coming up, you know, the Olympic medalist and

717
00:33:38,519 --> 00:33:40,720
he's been stopped in four of his five losses. Now

718
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,720
you're stepping in with DeAnda Wilder, one of the greatest

719
00:33:43,759 --> 00:33:46,559
punchers in heavyweight history. Whatever you think of where he

720
00:33:46,599 --> 00:33:49,079
is in his career, he hasn't lost the ability to land,

721
00:33:49,079 --> 00:33:51,240
you know, to to do damage if he lands the

722
00:33:51,319 --> 00:33:53,920
right hand. So anyway, Wilder's on the comeback trail. We'll

723
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,200
see how that pans out.

724
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,839
Speaker 1: I just I shake my head. The people around him,

725
00:33:59,039 --> 00:34:02,319
I think need to help him understand this. At thirty nine,

726
00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:04,079
I'll say the line, what are we doing here to

727
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:08,039
what end? Because you're you said it kind of quickly there.

728
00:34:08,079 --> 00:34:10,280
I mean, there is no real value in him fighting

729
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:13,320
Anthony Joshua when they're both damaged. They've both been knocked

730
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:14,079
out recently.

731
00:34:15,199 --> 00:34:16,800
Speaker 2: What's the word when you say the word value? The

732
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:18,199
value to us as the consumer.

733
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,400
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm saying all of the above. I don't

734
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,960
have to see it. It was a great fight to

735
00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:27,760
have back in the twenty teams. That's where that fight

736
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,440
had it sell. By date since then, they've both been beaten, repeatedly,

737
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:35,880
knocked out in both cases by multiple different guys.

738
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,000
Speaker 2: So I am not advocating for the fight Okay, let's

739
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:45,000
just be clear about that. However, from their perspective, they

740
00:34:45,039 --> 00:34:48,199
believe that they can still perspective you're talking about that

741
00:34:48,280 --> 00:34:50,360
they correct, they can still find a way to make

742
00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:53,039
the fight. And if they actually could make the fight,

743
00:34:53,599 --> 00:34:57,239
whether you or I are massively interested or totally not interested,

744
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,800
I promise you that fight will generate millions and millions

745
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,199
and millions of dollars, not as much as it would

746
00:35:05,239 --> 00:35:07,440
have done it they've been for the undisputed title as

747
00:35:07,519 --> 00:35:11,280
undefeated fighters back like five six years ago. But it

748
00:35:11,280 --> 00:35:14,000
will still draw a crowd. Obviously, it would take place

749
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,199
either in the UK or Saudi Arabia, whatever, but they'll

750
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:20,280
sell out a stadium or an arena or whatever in

751
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,320
the UK if they are able to make that match,

752
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:24,639
and it is a business and they'll cast.

753
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:26,960
Speaker 1: Huge students of business, and there's people I'm cynical, but

754
00:35:27,000 --> 00:35:28,679
it is what it is. There's people around them that

755
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:30,559
see dollar signs, and I come right back with it.

756
00:35:30,639 --> 00:35:32,880
I promise you. I'm just having fun with you. Neither

757
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:36,400
one of them need the money, especially Anthony Joshua. Neither

758
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:38,239
one of them need the money at this point.

759
00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 2: Let me just say one thing I've learned in twenty

760
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,480
five years of covering boxing, I've never counted somebody else's money.

761
00:35:43,480 --> 00:35:45,280
Speaker 1: I know you say that all the time. I come

762
00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:47,800
right back with, neither one of them need the money, and.

763
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know.

764
00:35:49,679 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 1: Anthony Joshua has conservatively made two hundred million dollars and

765
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:57,599
it may hold on and it may be closer to

766
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:01,679
three hundred million dollars plus that he's made. He does

767
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,960
not need the money to fight. Talk about twenty twenty five,

768
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:08,960
all right. In Wilder's case, he made over sixty million

769
00:36:09,039 --> 00:36:11,599
dollars from the two Tyson Fury fights. I don't know.

770
00:36:11,639 --> 00:36:13,480
You speak better to this on what he made for

771
00:36:13,559 --> 00:36:16,440
Hellnius and then what he made for Joseph Parker from

772
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,000
the Saudi's and what he made from Jiang from hold on,

773
00:36:19,119 --> 00:36:22,079
I'll finish the point. If you're telling me in twenty

774
00:36:22,199 --> 00:36:25,639
twenty five, which is four years removed from all the

775
00:36:25,679 --> 00:36:28,639
money he made the two Fury fights, that Deontay Wilder

776
00:36:28,679 --> 00:36:32,320
needs the money, then this is one of the stupidest things,

777
00:36:32,639 --> 00:36:35,800
one of the stupidest things in the history of.

778
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,199
Speaker 3: Ile squandering their money. I am not just coming back

779
00:36:38,199 --> 00:36:40,480
at you. I am not saying he needs the money.

780
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,159
I don't know that if it is or it isn't true.

781
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,599
What I do know is that Mike Tyson blew three

782
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,519
hundred plus million dollars.

783
00:36:49,039 --> 00:36:52,039
Speaker 1: Long over a longer period of time, right whatever, And

784
00:36:52,079 --> 00:36:54,360
Tyson was also in prison, not fighting.

785
00:36:55,119 --> 00:36:58,519
Speaker 2: And listen, Vanderdolyfield blew hundreds of millions of dollars. There's

786
00:36:58,559 --> 00:37:02,400
plenty of fighters. I'm only saying he wants to fight.

787
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,440
So you talk about the team. He's the boss of

788
00:37:05,519 --> 00:37:08,719
his team. So the guys who work with him or

789
00:37:08,760 --> 00:37:11,199
work for him have two options. Either do their job

790
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:13,760
and do the best they can, or walk away. I

791
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,599
don't see them walking away.

792
00:37:15,639 --> 00:37:17,599
Speaker 1: But the team can also sit down and say let's

793
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:21,920
watch the Jang fight. Do that and say I don't

794
00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:23,920
know that they didn't do that, and say what are

795
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:26,239
we doing here? All right, we'll see.

796
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:29,079
Speaker 2: Well taking this kind of fight against this kind of a.

797
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,880
Speaker 1: It's a joke to try to knock this guy over.

798
00:37:31,960 --> 00:37:33,440
It's a joke, is what it is.

799
00:37:33,599 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 2: But they're not asking for anybody to spend crazy money

800
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,840
for a pay per view or tremendous amounts of money

801
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,679
on tickets. They're making a fight to assess where he

802
00:37:41,800 --> 00:37:45,840
is after a year against an experienced heavyweight, probably will

803
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:47,960
lose to see what he's got left, to see if

804
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:50,599
they can get one more score. It's cynical, but that's

805
00:37:50,639 --> 00:37:52,119
boxing the way it is at the end of a

806
00:37:52,119 --> 00:37:52,920
heavyweights career.

807
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: All right, fair enough, let's move on with a couple

808
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:58,559
of more things and than the nostalgia. The IBF, Hey,

809
00:37:58,599 --> 00:38:01,000
let's hear it. We said this at the time. There

810
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:03,840
should be a rematch for Lewis Crocker and Patty Donovan

811
00:38:04,519 --> 00:38:09,519
after Donovan was controversially disqualified for hammering Crocker. The bell

812
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,239
rang at the end of the eighth round. He knocked

813
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,159
him down after the bell was it was it impossible

814
00:38:15,199 --> 00:38:17,760
to hear the bell? Probably not? Was it a bang

815
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,800
bang punch? Eh? All right, so the IBF says, you

816
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:23,840
know what, let's do this again. All right, so tell

817
00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:30,280
me more as as again. Crocker officially got the DQ

818
00:38:30,440 --> 00:38:33,159
win and got the title, and so now they're.

819
00:38:33,559 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 2: You didn't get the title, he got the eliminator position.

820
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,840
Speaker 1: The eliminator position my bat from the I.

821
00:38:37,119 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 2: Okay, so this was a pretty dominant fight for Patty Donovan. Uh.

822
00:38:41,119 --> 00:38:43,960
You know two irishmen, you know, one from Northern Ireland,

823
00:38:44,159 --> 00:38:47,360
one from Ireland proper, they're fighting in Belfast, huge crowd

824
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:49,840
going absolutely crazy and when the when the If you

825
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:53,159
read the IBF's resolution, all the things they wrote about

826
00:38:53,159 --> 00:38:56,079
which I got a copy of, you know, they agreed

827
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:59,599
with the fact that the referee, Marcus McDonald, and the

828
00:38:59,599 --> 00:39:03,599
two by boxers none of the three had heard or

829
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,440
were aware that the ten second clapper had gone, and

830
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,360
there was ten seconds left, and then here the bell

831
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,159
and the punch was fired in such a short split

832
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,519
second after the bell, after he already had the guy

833
00:39:13,599 --> 00:39:15,960
hurt and Patty had dominated the fight that it was

834
00:39:16,039 --> 00:39:19,079
viewed as not purposeful foul in any way, shape or form.

835
00:39:19,599 --> 00:39:22,039
They did make the point that McDonald, as the referee,

836
00:39:22,079 --> 00:39:25,239
was not in the proper position because when you know

837
00:39:25,320 --> 00:39:27,079
around is coming to an end, you're supposed to move

838
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:29,320
in closer so you can be there to break them

839
00:39:29,400 --> 00:39:33,199
at the bell. McDonald, whether just they their their belief

840
00:39:33,199 --> 00:39:34,760
in the way that they wrote it was that he

841
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,159
didn't realize that the clapper had gone, so he hadn't

842
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:39,599
moved into position to be near the fighters, and then

843
00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:42,199
of course what happened happened where you know, the bell

844
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:45,280
rang and Patty fired the last shot and he knocked

845
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:49,559
him out basically, and so the referee ruled it ruled

846
00:39:49,559 --> 00:39:52,559
it at disqualification. We realized what had happened. So the

847
00:39:53,320 --> 00:39:56,719
team for Patty Donod and mainly the attorney Keith Sullivan,

848
00:39:56,760 --> 00:39:59,559
who handled the appeal on his BEF, not only appealed

849
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:02,719
to the Eye to order an immediate rematch, but also

850
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,239
appealed to the British Boxing Board of Control to get

851
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:08,559
the result overturned from a DQ loss to a no contest.

852
00:40:08,599 --> 00:40:13,599
Because the regulator, the sanctioning rather the sanctioned body controls

853
00:40:13,639 --> 00:40:16,119
the ratings and rematches and belts and that type of thing.

854
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,280
It is the local commission in this case the British

855
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:21,760
Boxing work. They're the ones that control the results. So

856
00:40:22,679 --> 00:40:25,360
it wasn't like either, like the British Boxing Board can't

857
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,039
order a rematch, but the IBF can't change the result.

858
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:31,079
So he went both routes. Now the British Boxing Board

859
00:40:31,159 --> 00:40:33,840
declined to change the result and so it will stand

860
00:40:33,840 --> 00:40:36,719
as a DQ loss. But and I talked to Sullivan

861
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:38,639
about this over the weekend when I was writing some

862
00:40:38,639 --> 00:40:41,760
stuff in my notebook about it. They got the one

863
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,639
they wanted I mean they wanted more. You know, obviously

864
00:40:44,679 --> 00:40:46,000
they would have liked to get rid of the loss

865
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:47,559
on the guy's record, but what they really wanted was

866
00:40:47,559 --> 00:40:51,320
the rematch because they want the title shot. So Crocker

867
00:40:51,480 --> 00:40:52,960
is going to have to fight him again and he's

868
00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:55,800
not going to get the immediate title fight. And again

869
00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:58,320
this was just so we're clear, this was an IBF

870
00:40:58,599 --> 00:41:01,000
eliminator for number one. The win was supposed to become

871
00:41:01,039 --> 00:41:05,320
the boot sentis mandatory. So they they'll do the rematch.

872
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,079
I mean it's not set yet. Uh. The IBF gave

873
00:41:08,119 --> 00:41:09,960
them a date by which the fight should happen in

874
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,960
the late part of July because of the matchroom boxing

875
00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,000
schedule with the Zone and they're both with Mattroum boxing. Uh,

876
00:41:16,039 --> 00:41:18,239
there's a probability that they'll go to the IBF, which

877
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,239
probably will be fine with it to move in a

878
00:41:20,280 --> 00:41:23,159
couple of weeks into August to coincide with when they

879
00:41:23,199 --> 00:41:24,840
have their next date that they can do this on.

880
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:27,280
Probably take the fight back to Belfast where they had

881
00:41:27,280 --> 00:41:29,920
a crazy crowd. And by the way, the two guys

882
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,719
will get paid a lot of money again. They'll put

883
00:41:32,760 --> 00:41:34,639
on the other the fight again and the winner will

884
00:41:34,679 --> 00:41:37,840
emerge as the as the mandatory. But the reality was,

885
00:41:37,880 --> 00:41:41,159
Patty Donovan was on his way to an easy win

886
00:41:41,519 --> 00:41:44,760
and it's unfortunate that what unfolded did so in the

887
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,639
In the end, you know what, everybody did the right thing.

888
00:41:47,679 --> 00:41:49,760
The IBF did the right thing by ordering the rematch.

889
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:52,599
The British Boxing Board or did the right thing by

890
00:41:52,639 --> 00:41:54,440
not changing the result. I didn't think it rose to

891
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:56,960
that level. And they'll they'll live to do it again,

892
00:41:57,079 --> 00:41:58,719
and the fans will enjoy the fight and both guys

893
00:41:58,760 --> 00:41:59,320
will get it up there.

894
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,000
Speaker 1: Here's one more right thing. Marcus McDonald shouldn't be working

895
00:42:02,039 --> 00:42:03,800
big time fights anymore because.

896
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:07,840
Speaker 2: I'm willing to I'm willing to bet this win.

897
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:10,519
Speaker 1: I'll set it up properly. We don't know who the

898
00:42:10,639 --> 00:42:14,079
referee is going to be for Donovan Crocker two.

899
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 3: Now finish the sentence, but we know who the referee

900
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:17,639
isn't going to.

901
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:22,760
Speaker 1: Be there there there we go, alrighty, all right, one

902
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:27,079
more news item, and that is that we were looking

903
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:29,760
forward to at the end of last year, the Puma

904
00:42:29,840 --> 00:42:36,000
Martinez Kasioka WBA Junior Bantamweight title fight. But remember Fernando

905
00:42:36,039 --> 00:42:39,440
Martinez traveled to Japan and then got sick or got

906
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:41,400
sick on the way there and was sick the week

907
00:42:41,400 --> 00:42:43,320
of the fight and could not fight. So now they're

908
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:47,079
going to put this fight back on, and you're intrigued

909
00:42:47,159 --> 00:42:49,440
because earlier in twenty twenty four it was a tremendous

910
00:42:49,440 --> 00:42:52,199
first fight. So give me the details on when this

911
00:42:52,519 --> 00:42:56,880
Puma Martinez, Fernando Martinez and Kazioka battle is going to happen.

912
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really excited. I mean when their first fight,

913
00:42:59,519 --> 00:43:01,639
when they did fight each other, this was in a

914
00:43:02,679 --> 00:43:05,440
unification fight in the junior and bandaweight division. This was

915
00:43:05,440 --> 00:43:10,960
back in July of twenty twenty four. Fantastic, fantastic fight.

916
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,960
It's if you can find it on YouTube, tremendous battle.

917
00:43:14,039 --> 00:43:16,239
Maybe not the biggest names in the world, but if

918
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:18,920
you like a good action fight, these guys produced that

919
00:43:19,000 --> 00:43:21,800
big time and it was you know, I thought it

920
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:23,920
was a legit fight of the Year candidate. Martinez ended

921
00:43:24,000 --> 00:43:26,960
up winning the fight by decision. It was to unify

922
00:43:27,000 --> 00:43:30,559
the IBF and the WBA title that you know, they

923
00:43:30,599 --> 00:43:32,320
were going to do a rematch, and that made a

924
00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,960
lot of sense, as you mentioned, you know, December thirty. First,

925
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,960
that's a traditional New Year's Eve, traditional time frame for

926
00:43:38,039 --> 00:43:41,840
big time fights in Japan, and he got sick. Unfortunately,

927
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,079
he got sick the week of the fight and they

928
00:43:43,079 --> 00:43:46,559
had to put it off. Ioka, you know, was ill

929
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,920
and it just wasn't happening. So they've now got to

930
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,880
fight back together. They're going to do it May eleventh.

931
00:43:51,960 --> 00:43:54,159
It's going to be still back in at the Oda

932
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:57,039
City General Gymnasium in Tokyo where there's been lots of

933
00:43:57,079 --> 00:44:00,599
fights where they fought the where they were supposed to

934
00:44:00,639 --> 00:44:03,000
have the rematch, but then it was postponed. So look,

935
00:44:03,679 --> 00:44:06,159
tremendous battle. Now it's not for the two titles because

936
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:08,639
in the wake of that fight, it was Martinez who

937
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:13,199
vacated vacated the wb Was it vacated that one of

938
00:44:13,239 --> 00:44:15,079
the titles? I guess it was the IBM in.

939
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:16,840
Speaker 1: Order to have the rematch, right, in order to have

940
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:18,320
the rematch, yeh, because he wasn't going to.

941
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 2: Be tied, yes, tied to the UH. He vacated the

942
00:44:21,800 --> 00:44:23,360
IBF titles so it was not to be tied to

943
00:44:23,400 --> 00:44:26,480
a mandatory again that was worth a fraction of the money.

944
00:44:26,519 --> 00:44:28,920
So he kept the WBA title, which is what he

945
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:32,719
had won in the unification against Ioka in the first fight,

946
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,000
so he'll defend that title in this rematch, so it'll

947
00:44:35,039 --> 00:44:36,400
only be for one of the belts, but that doesn't

948
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,199
matter to me. I know these two guys arena put

949
00:44:38,199 --> 00:44:40,039
another heck of a fight. And I've said this before

950
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:43,119
because Kauzuto Ioka, even though he did not win the

951
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:45,280
first fight, if you take a look at his resume

952
00:44:45,599 --> 00:44:47,199
and all the things he has done in his career,

953
00:44:47,559 --> 00:44:50,000
he is thirty one, three and one. He has got

954
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:53,480
sixteen knockouts. He has won titles in four weight classes,

955
00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:56,719
and it's not just a hollow four weight classes like

956
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:00,519
you know Adrian Brohner's hollow four weight class titles. But

957
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:05,039
he has been a number of quality fighters, top contenders, champions,

958
00:45:05,079 --> 00:45:08,679
former champions. So the point I'm getting at is that

959
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:11,840
I view him already as a borderline maybe even an

960
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,400
actual Hall of Famer at this point. You win, you

961
00:45:15,519 --> 00:45:17,280
come back, and you and you avenged a lost to

962
00:45:17,320 --> 00:45:20,760
Martinez and regain another title in the junior manaweight division,

963
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:22,719
and that goes a long way to your candidacy. So

964
00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,960
I never want to say, like this fight is everything

965
00:45:25,039 --> 00:45:26,800
it means to be a Hall of famer for that

966
00:45:26,880 --> 00:45:28,760
part of your legacy. But I'll tell you right now,

967
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,199
if he wins a fight, it's gonna go a pretty

968
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,320
damn long way to seal in that legacy in my book,

969
00:45:33,320 --> 00:45:35,320
And I'm a voter very well.

970
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:38,320
Speaker 1: And that leads us to a little nostalgia. To wrap

971
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,119
it up. It was twenty five years ago on Tuesday,

972
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:46,880
April first of two thousand, where Chris Bird scored an

973
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:50,159
upset win over Battally clitch Goo to win the WBO

974
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:54,800
heavyweight title as a short term replacement in Germany quarter

975
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,639
of a century ago. Rayphiel, we got double nostalgia on

976
00:45:57,679 --> 00:46:00,239
April first, in terms of the heavyweight title. But the

977
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,400
first one up is the Chris Bird knockout.

978
00:46:02,079 --> 00:46:05,800
Speaker 2: Both, by the way, yeah, both of the WBO heavyweight title.

979
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:09,679
Speaker 1: Yeah. Correct. So let's start with Bird Clitchkow twenty five

980
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,199
years ago, April one.

981
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: I remember this really quite vividly. This was uh, this

982
00:46:14,559 --> 00:46:16,519
was in the early stages, if you will, of when

983
00:46:16,519 --> 00:46:19,039
the clitch Goos were starting to make their impact around

984
00:46:19,199 --> 00:46:22,039
UH and places other than just in Germany, because they

985
00:46:22,039 --> 00:46:24,079
were starting to get a lot of attention start to

986
00:46:24,119 --> 00:46:27,119
be televised. This fight between Batally Clitchco and Chris Bird

987
00:46:27,159 --> 00:46:29,519
was on HBO, for example, which was just starting to

988
00:46:29,519 --> 00:46:31,639
sort of dip its toe into the Clitchico business. And

989
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,199
remember at this time in two thousand, uh in the

990
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:36,920
year two thousand, there was still like a lot of

991
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:39,559
debate who's the better clich Goo. Vladimir had won the

992
00:46:39,599 --> 00:46:43,159
Olympic gold medal in Atlanta in nineteen ninety six, Batally,

993
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:46,280
you know, had won a title already was big and strong,

994
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,559
and you know a lot of people didn't know the

995
00:46:48,599 --> 00:46:50,239
difference between the two of them. That was like a

996
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:53,079
big thing like which this guy is which? In any event,

997
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:56,280
he was supposed to be on HBO Ittalic Clitchko to

998
00:46:56,320 --> 00:47:01,360
defend the WBO title against Razor run Remember Raiser Udick,

999
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:05,519
who had yes who lossainst with a long time contender,

1000
00:47:05,559 --> 00:47:07,840
and that was like a name. So this to me

1001
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:10,039
is when we talked about like reasons why fights fall

1002
00:47:10,079 --> 00:47:12,480
out and what happens in certain fights and they get canceled.

1003
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:17,360
Razor Ruddick pulled out of the fight for reasons that

1004
00:47:17,400 --> 00:47:21,199
were related to what had occurred or side effects or

1005
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,559
something to do post a vast sectomy. That's all I'm

1006
00:47:25,559 --> 00:47:27,519
gonna say. I don't really know the the rest.

1007
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 1: Of the there can be some side effects from that.

1008
00:47:29,519 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 2: I don't want to know the rest.

1009
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: We don't know, we want to know the full details.

1010
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:34,440
But I do remember this, and again you've been over

1011
00:47:34,519 --> 00:47:37,119
there's one hundred different reasons why fights have been called off,

1012
00:47:37,159 --> 00:47:39,280
and this is right up there on why he couldn't

1013
00:47:39,280 --> 00:47:40,840
fight that fight exactly.

1014
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:43,280
Speaker 2: So he's supposed to defend the title. HBO and the

1015
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,599
German promoters and broadcasters are trying to save the fight.

1016
00:47:47,119 --> 00:47:50,639
And Chris Byrd at that time a dramatically different kind

1017
00:47:50,639 --> 00:47:52,840
of opponent than a Raiser Ruddick. You know, Chris was

1018
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:56,880
a pesky southpaw, a much smaller guy, you know, probably

1019
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:59,360
barely weighed, you know, two hundred and five to ten pounds,

1020
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:00,719
you know, soaking wet.

1021
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: Uh.

1022
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,719
Speaker 2: He takes the fight on short notice. Credit the Clitchko

1023
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:06,760
for accepting a completely different, pesky pain in the as

1024
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:10,639
opponent like that as southbaw to boot and Chris Bird

1025
00:48:10,679 --> 00:48:12,480
went over there and he fought Clitchko. Now Clitchkow was

1026
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,719
pretty much dominating the fight, having his way with him,

1027
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:17,239
but Bird was still it was still doing some good

1028
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:20,039
work and still doing his thing. The problem was Clitchkow

1029
00:48:20,519 --> 00:48:23,880
suffered a rotator cuff tear. Uh, That's not the kind

1030
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,719
of injury that you see. It's not like I break

1031
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,679
your you know, if I if I, if I mess

1032
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,000
up your eye or I or you You can see

1033
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:31,639
a guy twist in his hand because he's got a

1034
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:34,239
hand injury or some type of severe severe cut.

1035
00:48:34,559 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 1: You know.

1036
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 2: This was like the this this the injury that you

1037
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,000
can't see. And so when Clitchko sat down on the

1038
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:44,719
stool after round number nine and quit, it was like

1039
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,000
if Twitter was around back then, like this would have

1040
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:50,239
been the biggest thing in the world. I mean, I

1041
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:54,559
can still remember the derisiveness directed towards Klitchkow. Quitch Goo,

1042
00:48:54,719 --> 00:48:58,239
they called him bitch go, they called him, I mean you.

1043
00:48:58,480 --> 00:49:01,280
It was bad. It was very, very nasty. And Bird

1044
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:04,559
won the title. Obviously did not get an immediate did

1045
00:49:04,559 --> 00:49:07,119
not do an immediate rematch with Chris with with Clitchko

1046
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,440
because they had a contract that had the rights that

1047
00:49:09,480 --> 00:49:12,360
went to the Germans to control Chris's next fight, so

1048
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:14,599
they didn't do him any favors. They fed him to

1049
00:49:14,639 --> 00:49:18,039
Vladimir Klitchko, and that's when Vladimir won his title by

1050
00:49:18,199 --> 00:49:20,199
by outpointing Chris Uh.

1051
00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:20,559
Speaker 1: You know.

1052
00:49:20,679 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: Several months later later that year, Uh to win the

1053
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:25,599
WBO belt, so they called it Revenge with the Brother.

1054
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,719
But this first fight hadent against vitally.

1055
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:28,360
Speaker 1: You know.

1056
00:49:28,639 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 2: It was as shocking of a result as you could

1057
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:33,639
ask for to see this man Klitchko, who was a

1058
00:49:33,679 --> 00:49:38,079
tremendous specimen, a big puncher, Uh just sit down, very

1059
00:49:38,159 --> 00:49:40,599
meekly and quit on the stool. Nobody really knew what

1060
00:49:40,599 --> 00:49:42,480
the time what was wrong. It wasn't until much later

1061
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:44,639
that we found out that it was such a severe

1062
00:49:44,760 --> 00:49:47,880
rotator cuffin you know, and the German and and and

1063
00:49:47,920 --> 00:49:51,039
not just in Germany, but I mean in Eastern Europe.

1064
00:49:51,079 --> 00:49:53,519
The mentality is a little bit more different when it

1065
00:49:53,519 --> 00:49:55,760
comes to boxing. They're not out to like I have

1066
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:58,880
to die in the ring to preserve my title. It's

1067
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:01,639
kind of like in the MMA, UH, a philosophy where

1068
00:50:01,679 --> 00:50:04,360
a tap out is acceptable. And that's basically what he

1069
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:08,320
did in this fight. And he was criticized for years

1070
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:12,000
and years and years for quitting against Chris Bird. And

1071
00:50:12,079 --> 00:50:15,360
finally years later, many years later, he made up for

1072
00:50:15,360 --> 00:50:17,039
that when he fought Lennox Lue. Well, not many years

1073
00:50:17,039 --> 00:50:18,760
you know seven a few years later where he made

1074
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:20,000
up for it when he showed all the heart in

1075
00:50:20,039 --> 00:50:23,559
the world against Lennox Lewis and was begging to continue

1076
00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:26,840
after suffering such a terrible cut UH and lost that

1077
00:50:26,880 --> 00:50:30,280
opportunity to win the title against UH against Lennox Lewis,

1078
00:50:30,280 --> 00:50:32,320
but that that was sort of the bookend when he

1079
00:50:32,440 --> 00:50:37,119
was just ruined by quitting against Bird the way he did.

1080
00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:41,039
But talked about We've talked about against Lennox Lewis, what

1081
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:41,559
he did.

1082
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 1: We've talked about this fight before. And a torn roadchator cuff,

1083
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:46,920
even a Parson torn roadchator cuff. It is not something

1084
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:50,480
to sneeze at that. You can't. You can't realistically, we

1085
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:52,599
just didn't know and fight You just didn't know it

1086
00:50:52,639 --> 00:50:54,800
at the time. And as you point out a few

1087
00:50:54,880 --> 00:50:56,960
years later when he fought Lennox Lewis, you can't question

1088
00:50:57,079 --> 00:50:59,760
the heart and wanted to go on uh with the

1089
00:51:00,079 --> 00:51:02,519
with the awful cut boxing.

1090
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,039
Speaker 2: You know what happened on the night of April first,

1091
00:51:05,119 --> 00:51:09,119
two thousand is is way below or way back or

1092
00:51:09,199 --> 00:51:12,400
way not no nearly the close the biggest thing that

1093
00:51:12,679 --> 00:51:15,719
he's done because post boxing, he's gone on to become

1094
00:51:16,119 --> 00:51:17,960
you know, one of the leaders in Ukraine. He's the

1095
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,280
mayor of Kiev. He's very active in at the forefront

1096
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:24,800
in terms of the public awareness of the war they're

1097
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:28,719
waging or they're defending against Russia. And so he's he's

1098
00:51:28,760 --> 00:51:30,400
got a lot more important things in his life than

1099
00:51:30,639 --> 00:51:32,920
what he did as a as a boxer. But the

1100
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,199
first time he really became internationally known, I guess there's

1101
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:40,599
certainly in the United States, was unfortunately for this incident

1102
00:51:40,639 --> 00:51:43,559
where he quit against Chris Burton, basically yielded the heavyweight

1103
00:51:43,559 --> 00:51:46,960
title or a heavyweight title, but went on to the

1104
00:51:47,000 --> 00:51:49,639
win title again and have a tremendous career. I mean,

1105
00:51:49,639 --> 00:51:51,679
here's the other thing about it. The guy only lost

1106
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:54,360
twice in his career, both by injury stoppage, once in

1107
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,000
this one against Bird and then the two thousand and

1108
00:51:57,039 --> 00:51:59,400
three five Athletics with the cut. But other than that,

1109
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:02,880
you know, retired for four years because of an injury

1110
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:05,079
to his knee and his back, came back, regained the

1111
00:52:05,159 --> 00:52:08,000
WBC title and kicked everybody's ass, made like another nine

1112
00:52:08,039 --> 00:52:10,679
defenses against you know, pretty good group of guys, Samuel

1113
00:52:10,719 --> 00:52:14,400
Peter and Jan Carlos Gomez and Chris Ariola and Shannon Briggs,

1114
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:19,400
et cetera, Thomas adamc you know, Derek Tesora, macmuchar whatever,

1115
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:23,800
and so this is part of that legacy. And looking

1116
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:27,519
back now, you know what, he lived to fight another day,

1117
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:29,400
and boy did he all right.

1118
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:33,840
Speaker 1: So now advance forward six years to April first, two

1119
00:52:33,920 --> 00:52:37,199
thousand and six, so that is nineteen years ago now

1120
00:52:37,239 --> 00:52:40,719
as we do this, and Sergei Layakovich and Layman Brewster

1121
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:47,519
battled for the same WBO heavyweight championship, and Rayfael puts

1122
00:52:47,559 --> 00:52:50,519
on my rundown. What's probably the best heavyweight title fight

1123
00:52:50,559 --> 00:52:54,519
of the decade other than Lennox Lewis and Klitschko. Why

1124
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:56,679
did this one make so much of an impression?

1125
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: Oh, it's just a fantastic you know, if you watch it,

1126
00:52:58,960 --> 00:53:00,840
it's just a fucking great fight. I mean, these two

1127
00:53:00,920 --> 00:53:04,840
big guys just slugged it out for twelve rounds non stop.

1128
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:07,840
You know, Brewster was in a lot of sneaky good fights,

1129
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:10,599
uh Laikovich, you know, he he wasn't known for that.

1130
00:53:10,639 --> 00:53:12,480
He had a kind of a much shorter prime unfortunately

1131
00:53:12,519 --> 00:53:14,800
for him. But this was a tremendous mettal. This was

1132
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,760
live on showtime. This was a Don King card. He

1133
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,280
did it in Cleveland, which is where Don was from.

1134
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:22,400
Uh and it was you know, I can't say it

1135
00:53:22,400 --> 00:53:23,960
was the biggest promotion in the history of the world.

1136
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:25,719
But Bruster was a well known guy. He had had

1137
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,599
his fights with Klitchkow in the past, and in this

1138
00:53:29,639 --> 00:53:32,760
particular fight against uh against Lakovich, they just let it

1139
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,320
all hang out. I mean, there was you know, Laikovich

1140
00:53:35,639 --> 00:53:37,960
got knocked down, but he came back and he won

1141
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:40,920
a close fight against against Brewser. You know, I'm looking

1142
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,320
at I just looked up the scores card. Two of

1143
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:46,599
them were one one, fifteen, thirteen, twelve, seventeen, one ten.

1144
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:49,280
But putting the scores aside, it was just the way

1145
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,639
that the fight unfolded, just I mean from.

1146
00:53:52,559 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: The from the late first round of the second round on,

1147
00:53:55,480 --> 00:53:57,320
there were bombs being thrown in this fight. I know,

1148
00:53:57,360 --> 00:53:59,559
you put me on to it years ago when we've

1149
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:04,079
done this and this was underrated, not really thought of much,

1150
00:54:04,159 --> 00:54:06,480
and then wow, a lot of action early from the head.

1151
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,639
Speaker 2: Brewster was had the title, he was making his fourth defense,

1152
00:54:10,679 --> 00:54:13,880
so it wasn't like, you know, he wasn't you know,

1153
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:16,920
racking up a few defenses. Lai Kovich was at the

1154
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:19,400
time considered like, you know, he's a good fighter, but

1155
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:21,960
I don't think people viewed him as necessarily heavyweight championship

1156
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:27,000
material at that point. And uh, tremendous fight. I mean again,

1157
00:54:28,119 --> 00:54:30,079
they didn't have a trilogy, they didn't have a rematch.

1158
00:54:31,119 --> 00:54:32,840
I don't think a lot of people have. It's the

1159
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:34,239
kind of fight where if you if you said, what

1160
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:36,440
are the best fights of the two thousands for heavyweights,

1161
00:54:36,760 --> 00:54:38,079
you know, I think a lot of people would, Yeah,

1162
00:54:38,079 --> 00:54:40,159
they would say clinchical Lewis because it's such a famous

1163
00:54:40,199 --> 00:54:42,840
fight for a lot of different reasons. I think unless

1164
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,639
you're the real diearch, you kind of be hard pressed

1165
00:54:44,639 --> 00:54:48,079
to remember the Brewster versus Laikovich fight. So I like

1166
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:49,960
to give those types of fights a little bit of

1167
00:54:50,000 --> 00:54:52,119
love because I don't think they should be forgotten. They

1168
00:54:52,159 --> 00:54:54,719
should be revered. They should be remembered, and they should

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be watched, and they should be remembered because these guys

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let it all hang out. Neither guy was ever really

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the same when this fight was over, unfortunately, and they

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just they put on a great show.

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Speaker 1: And we hopefully put on a great show because we

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began with all the recaps of the Mikaalea Mayer rematch

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win and also the Williams of Paya rematch win, impressing

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Ko Norman. So we try to put on a great show. Goyah.

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Speaker 2: Just what our thing about the Brewster fight. I mean,

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Brewster's career became known because of the eye injury that

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he suffered that kind of hampered him later in his career.

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And there was a lot of controversy that when he

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fought which go in the rematch, he'd been sent over

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to Germany with the damaged retina. That original injury happened

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in this fight against Sergeielayakovich, where he said he couldn't

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see in his left eye after like the first or

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second round and ended up having surgery. So this was

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the fight that you know, he won the battle so

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to speak, by uh, you know, having a great fight,

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even though he ended up losing the title. And that

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really was sort of the end of his career at

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the top level.

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Speaker 1: And that's because of that fight for Layman Brewster. All right,

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great stuff here. I will be making my way to

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San Antonio with Someone's Duke Blue Devils for the college

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basketball later this week. We will reconvene because there are

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a bevy of fights this weekend to go over, including

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the return of Tim Zoo. We got Joe Joyce and

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Philip Hergovich fighting this week. We got all kinds of

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stuff this weekend. So why don't we have a good

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week we go into April, and why don't we reconvene

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in the preview mode later this weekdnd Rayfield, how's it sound?

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Speaker 2: Sounds good?

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Speaker 1: There he is our insider Fight preach Unite is substack.

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Read him there, get on the newsletter for all the intel,

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