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Speaker 1: The pekan Yonashow dot com. Everything's there. I want to

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welcome everyone back to the Peking Yona show. I have

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two people here that I've been looking forward to talking to,

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especially this week as as it may be. Fear Us

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Modot is back. How you doing for us?

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Speaker 3: Hi?

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Speaker 2: How's it going good? Good? Hew you doing? Ron? Ron

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Dodson's back, Ay doing.

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Speaker 3: Ron doing great? Thanks for having me.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I'm going to do a little introduction here

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and I'm gonna let you guys go. I think with

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everything we've seen in the last week, everything that's happened

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in Europe, everything that's happening in England, where fear us is,

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immigration is going, is the topic going forward. I don't

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think there's any there's any way we're escaping this.

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Speaker 2: I think we are.

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Speaker 1: Going to be in one long immigration discussion and we

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see exactly whether whether it's organic or whether it's or

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whether this is some kind of planned op, you know,

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Soros kind of thing, quote unquote, It really doesn't matter.

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I think it's always usually a combination of both.

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Speaker 2: You're going to have.

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Speaker 1: People paid to be there or just professional activists, and

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you're going to have true believers. But I don't think

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I think this is this is going to be the

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conversation for not only the near future, but it's going

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to be probably for the next decade. So who wants

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to start with their take on what we're seeing now,

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go ahead, Farris.

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is it going to be the topic for the next decade.

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Here in England, we had the Reform Party, which was

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widely expected to win the next election, and as of

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today they've decided to completely surrender on the issue of immigration.

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They've just appointed a new chairman who, after being chosen

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said that immigrants are the lifeblood of Britain. Now, I'm

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an immigrant and I'm in Britain. I'm not convinced that

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I'm the lifeblood in this country. I think I think

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this country would do just without me. You know. I'd

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like to think that I contribute, that I pay my taxes,

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that I do my civic duties. But I'm pretty sure

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I'm not the lifelood of this country. With what we're

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seeing in immigration. Pretty much every story here around healthcare,

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around housing, around employment, around trade has an immigration angle

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attached to it, and it's the most salient conversation that's

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happening in the country. To the extent that Sircuit Stormer

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Britain's Prime Minister gave his own version of inoch Powell's

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Rivers of Blood speech where he declared that thanks to immigration,

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Britain has become an island of strangers, and where he

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said that this was a planned and that this had

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had extremely negative consequences, and where he committed to doing

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something to reduce the level of immigration, not to reverse it.

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has said that they would reverse it. But for this

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contagion from the United States. We are seeing riots in

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huge protest in support to the Palestinians that had the

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assertiveness from migrant communities while seeing the establishment in Britain

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definition of terrorist ideologies and it includes now people who

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can go off at any moment and that ethnic tensions

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Ireland and then around two thousand people got together and

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burnt down the houses of these boys. The state evacuated

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their families. Thankfully nobody was hurt. But this is according

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to members of Parliament from the Labor Party, a tinderbox.

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where we are seeing things going really and all of

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that that have been that have been suppressed only by

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the outsized uh you know, the outsized prosperity I think

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what I consider just my eyes were opened when the

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Mexican president said what she said. I was, you know,

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wondering if she had her meds uh you know, set correctly.

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Europeans two to show that what created Europe was a

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culture that that these ideas aren't ideology in a vacuum,

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that they are part and parcel of a life lived.

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argument that part of it is is a a a

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a kind of a an offshoot of of the Protestant

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I'm reformed by conviction. I had to accept John Calvin

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into my heart. Uh, I wasn't born into it. But

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the idea that that everything is reduced to ideology and

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not part of a cultural milieu, that that is a

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lived life, a way of life that you know, Schmidt

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talks about this, uh, that has been destructive to culture

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and and the and the and the Christian leaders have

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not done a good job of of making sure those uh,

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those two things are tied together. You know, there's nothing

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wrong with ideas, uh, but divorced completely from a life lived, UH,

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they can be you know, ideology raw ideology has has

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been a dangerous thing throughout uh human history, especially in

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the last our last little window of it. Now. I'm

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just shocked that of all people, the English would not

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see this, uh, not see the importance of the marriage

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of these two things.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And that does not pretend well to the near and

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mid middle term future. Do you think that? Do you think?

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And I know what the answer is, but I'm gonna answer.

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I'm gonna ask it anyway. I've got a ton of

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I'm Canadian. Uh, I'm kind of honorary Canadian by marriage.

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I'm married a Canadian. I've got a lot of Canadian family. Therefore,

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and how how King Charles addressed uh the Canadian government

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when he came over was shocking to me. Uh, wouldn't it?

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Doesn't this seem to be an area where the king

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is called to stand up and say no more and

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do something, uh, where he's uniquely suited to do something

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that would change the course. Or is he just fully

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captured as well?

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Speaker 4: I don't think he has an interest in it. I

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think that I hesitate to say this, and I'm going

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to say this carefully. I think that the Windsor royal

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family is much more interested in their role in the

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Commonwealth and in them being the only royal family that

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has nominally a multi racial kingdom than they are in

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anything else, and this has captured their imagination and their

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ideas from the days of Queen Elizabeth God Rest her Soul,

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who insisted on going against both Rhodesia and South Africa

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in any way respecting the other side of the argument,

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especially on the Rhodesion side that insisted that there must

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a commitment to the idea of multiculturalism and to the

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idea that all cultures are fundamentally equal because all people

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are equal under God, without realizing that, yes, you can

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say that all souls are equal in the heights of

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God without lead without the conclusion being well, then therefore

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all cultures are equal.

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Speaker 3: Right right, Those are completely separate things.

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so this has been the attitude of the royal family.

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the weeds, and so we can avoid it if if

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if it's going to bogg us down but but you

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know in uh in Galatians, Saint Paul says that the

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law was a pedagogue. In other words, it was a

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tutor to bring the people to maturity. Yes, that's a

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cultural statement. It's the It shows the importance of how

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a way of life is a functional tutor to grow

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a people up so that they would be able to

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deal with it. Didn't The Torah doesn't answer every question.

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reconstructionists and all that kind of thing. Those are great people.

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about you know. It's this. It's this tutor, this teacher,

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this faithful uh, this faithful professor. That is to the

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faithful drill sergeant. That's that's trying to produce out of

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you an officer ready to rule. Right, And that's the

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role of Yeah, that's the role of culture in a

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in a in a in a faithful society, right, it

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helps bring you up. You don't even have to know

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the why all the time. Now, we just don't do

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that and then as you get older, you get this

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gray hair, then you can think about the why and

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everything as you have time to ponder these things. But

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just you know, it's like a golf swing. You don't

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if you're thinking about every aspect of the golf swing,

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Speaker 4: It this way. If you look online, you can very

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quickly find videos of people just looting British stores on

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mass and you see a group of people going in

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filling up a bunch of bags, sometimes with sandwiches, sometimes

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with meat, sometimes with booze, whatever they fancy, and then

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the tube the Metro and basically filmed people who were

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crossing the barriers without paying and tried to shame them. Now,

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minorities that would be prone to violence. So he did

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is no sense at all that the victim has rights.

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no sense that the role of the law and of

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the state is to maintain guardrails and to maintain discipline

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so that the law can act as a pedagogue and

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teach people that bad behavior is to be punished. We're

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seeing the inverse. We're seeing people who are locked up

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for sentences that are people who tweet are getting sentences

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that are pretty close to the sentences received by people

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who rape. And we're seeing an effort by the state

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to really these criminals early based on the claim that, look,

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there's no space in prisons, But they could create all

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the space that they needed if they were to just

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deport foreign criminals. If you come into the country legally,

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you're saddled with endless taxes. If you come into the

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country illegally, you sign up for some deliveru account and

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then you start working in the shadow economy with nobody

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bothering you. So the state is working as as a

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corrupting influence, not as a pedagogue.

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Speaker 3: Do we need a return of shame?

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Speaker 4: Yes, I'm and and need some kind of shame based punishments.

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There are some cultures, including Middle Eastern culture from where

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I come, where without a sense of shame, people don't

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behave properly at all. Right, So, in a way, for

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some petty crimes, it's more merciful to use the pillary

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or to have a flogging than it is to send

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somebody in jail where they will be well, where they

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will have access to a television, a phone, drugs, and

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a bunch of people who will teach them how to

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be more criminal.

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Speaker 3: Right, is understood.

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Speaker 1: This goes back to in the colonies. Here you would

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have people who would be punished by They would be

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put in stocks and then people would come out and

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they would throw food at them. And people look back

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upon that as something barbaric, but really when you look

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at that, first of all, the person's not being killed.

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Second of all, it gives a community. It allows the

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community to come together against a common foe, and it

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actually brings people together much more than hanging, much more

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than even hanging did, because this is them doing the

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punishment themselves.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: You see just in Singapore with the public cannings and

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things like that, that's one thing. But in Spain during

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the Inquisition, there was a guy who was selling magic

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potions and the inquisition decided he was guilty, and they

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said that they were going to put him on a

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horse and ride him through town and then whatever the

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people wanted to do to him they would do. And

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they brought him out like cakes and food, and they

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were like, we forgive you. You know you did wrong, but

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we forgive you. And so bring people are so disconnected

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from law and order now from themselves, you know when

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you talk to people, you know, Ron and I were

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at an event and there was someone there who was

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British and this person was saying, how one of the

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things that they see in people in English people, but

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people specifically in England, is that it's not like they

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hate their hate their country, hate their hate their government,

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hate the crown. It's they've almost reached a point where

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they hate themselves. Yes, and they they they're not able

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to get past.

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Speaker 4: This h This is a direct consequence of materialist thinking.

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There is no sense of a spiritual connection between the people.

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There's no sense of a spiritual connection between the governing

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and the governed. And there is no sense that the

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law has a purpose other than you know, punishment or

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convenience or something of that sort.

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Speaker 3: So there is purely regulatory, purely.

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Speaker 4: Leading utilitarian. It's just the management of a problem. It

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doesn't serve a higher purpose. It doesn't serve a higher

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it's not seen as serving a higher purpose. And so

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the question is, well, how can we guarantee the rights

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of so and so, How can we protect the prisoners,

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How can we keep the officers safe? How can we

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keep the prison officers safe? And British prisons are mainly

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run by she had these. This should also be emphasized

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that she had these run the prisons. And this is

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a very deep problem because the genius of Islamic state

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was creating this marriage between she had the ideology and criminality.

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But going back to the point of self hatred, because

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nothing has any value outside of itself, because nothing has

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anything other than a utilitarian value, you don't feel any

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connection to anything, and Therefore you feel that sense of loathing.

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They they've forgotten God, and they've forgotten that God loves

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them and they owe him their love, and that has

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rendered them incapable of loving anything else. It's a spiritual

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crisis at the heart of it.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's really good because think about how you care

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for I mean, it's a hard example to make in

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America because we're so adamized, but how you should care.

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For instance, I have a brother and a sister, and

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those are not utilitarian relationships. No, I care for them.

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It's an ontological thing, right. They are because of literally,

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because of who they are. We are connected. And if

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my brother's not doing well or my sister's not doing well,

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I feel I feel a connection or responsibility somewhere. It

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may not be my fault, but there is a connection there.

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That is that is Uh, it's beyond even beyond covenantal

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but and it's that's the connection we aren't we have

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been stripped of.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: Sociologically in the West, you know, save for these save

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for these close knit communities. UH, but for you know,

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northern you're you know, for the vast majority of folks. Uh,

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their closest connection might be their their country club. I

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don't know, but I don't even know anymore. And it's

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I don't know how you get that back. You don't

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get it back quick. I don't think without you might

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get it back quick if there's tremendous suffering, right, uh

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but uh, but otherwise, I I just it's a real pickle.

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Speaker 4: I'm afraid that you're right. I mean here, a friend

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of mine unfortunately fell into alcoholism. HM. His family's attitude

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was not really spectacular, not really caring in any way,

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sort of what an inconvenience you are now, rather than

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how am I going to help you get out of this?

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Or even astern how dare you do this to yourself?

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Come and fix yourself, Come and let me help you

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fix yourself. And you are seeing this brokenness across the board.

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A friend of mine was telling me today that he

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was walking around his town and he just found a

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guy who was just dead. You know, nobody, nobody, no

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nobody had any concern for him. He died on the

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street like a dog. I was walking around a small

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British down. Every other shop is a betting shop. You

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go down the street and there's a doz in gambling

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and betting shops just sort of all next to each other,

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and that's all that's left of the town center. And

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some of these places are beginning to look run down,

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and some of these places are beginning to look run down.

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Around it, you just see horrific decay, empty buildings, empty stores,

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boarded up windows, and you're sort of starting to see

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this society collapsing, society falling apart. It feels like something

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pre biblical catastrophe. I guess that's probably I guess one

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of the great things we have in this country, you know,

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still have in this country, espect in the South more

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than anywhere else, is the church culture. It's just that people,

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you know, I live in a town at twenty five

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hundred pe people, there's twenty churches. People still go to

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church on Sunday. People still have their Sunday you have

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their Sunday evening meals together. They'll still come together if

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if people need help. And I think that is you know,

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that is something even if you no matter what you

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want to say, oh, it's you know that this churches

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has a you know, it's like a cold Play concert

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or you know this this church is like this church

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only does old you know from the old Baptist hymnal

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or something like that. It's still a sense of community

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that many that many places have just completely lost. And

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I think that's one of the reasons why so many

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Cosmopolitans hate us, is because they don't have this anymore.

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Speaker 3: At least even in both those And I'm a traditionalist

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when it comes to church. But h but I think

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there's a time to let your hair down to but

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the but but at least in each of those, In

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each of those examples, there is a cohesive culture. This

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is who we are. This is how it's going to

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be every Sunday. I think the traditionalist thing is is

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even more because it's an other're You're coming and experiencing

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something that's separate from the everything that's out there. But regardless,

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either way, it's a cohesive thing. This is us and

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it's so it's so important. Sorry, paras I was.

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Speaker 4: I was going to share a bit of good news,

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which is that we are starting to see more youngster

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is going into church, especially more young men. So in

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I go to two churches, one of them is farther away.

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I go to it because it's friendlier to the children.

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And therefore, if I'm not busy on a Sunday, that's

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where I'll take them and thankfully my children singing the choir.

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And then there's the other one that's close by, where

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i'd sort of have a very early Sunday Mass and

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then head off somewhere else if I had to go

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out on a Sunday. I'm seeing more people in both,

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and especially in the one close by, which is sometimes

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very depressing because you go in and you just see

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you only see gray haired people. No offense wrong, but

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but I want the church to look, you know, to

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include you, and to look to to include youngsters. Now

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I'm starting to see some young families starting to go there,

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and it often starts with the father and the children,

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and then you start seeing the mother going regularly. And

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that's my nature is healing anecdote that there is this

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response and realization that this is indeed a spiritual crisis,

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and that the breakdown in order and in society has

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spiritual roots, and that even the migration question, the idea

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that you know, all I care about is how much

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money I make. If I can hire somebody for ten

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percent cheaper, that's all that's it. I'll hire them because

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I don't feel any bond to the labor pool that

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already exists, because I don't feel because I see them

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just as a labor pool. I don't see them as

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a community. So there's an awareness that these are interrelated

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issues with a spiritual underpinning. It isn't being fully articulated yet.

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This is a spiritual crisis. You need to fix it.

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I personally look to the Muslim Brotherhood as an example

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of an organization that realized in the nineteen twenties that

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the reason the Muslim were falling behind was because they

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lost their identity. Their identity is based on Islam. I

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think it's false, but I will give credit to that

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organization and say that it created an awakening in Muslim

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societies that is now helping transform a country like Turkey

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into a great power. Nothing can happen in the Middle

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East or in Southern Europe without Turkey being involved or

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at least acquiescing, and without this kind of grassroots organization

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that literally has as its only objective the evangelization of society,

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the re evangelization of society. I think this is going

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to be a very, very long trial really for the West.

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I was I now have my own show on the

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Lotus Eaters, and I was recording an episode day and

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I was pointing out how from the Soviet Union collapsing

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to the rise of Putin to the restoration of Russia

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as a power, it was pretty much a generation's work.

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It took ten years of absolute collapse and then twenty

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years of Putin trying to solidify and a couple of

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wars for the Russians to sort of rise. For China,

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it was a century of humiliation followed by civil war

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and Japanese occupation, followed by a break with the past,

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followed by deng and the changes that happened economically and

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the rise of China. For the Muslim world, it took

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perhaps two centuries. The Ottomans began falling apart in the

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eighteen hundreds. The British helped keep them up to contain

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rival European powers. Now we're seeing Turkey becoming an expansionist

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power again. They've got northern Cyprus, They've got Libya, they've

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got Syria, They've got serious influence in Kosovo and in

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Albania and in Bosnia. They're expanding again.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, don't they have? Aren't they expanding influence around the Horn.

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Speaker 4: Of Africa and in the Sahel and into sub Saharan Africa. Yes,

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so there is going to be The question is now

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how long are the decades of misery going to be

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for the West and for different countries. It's going to

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play out differently, but there is in part due to immigration,

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which is itself a reflection of a spiritual crisis. There's

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going to be a very long period of re evangelizing society,

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of changing people's minds, of bringing back God into the conversation.

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And this is going to come with a few defeats

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in the same way that the Muslims and the Chinese

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and the Russians saw quite a few defeats. And this

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is going to come with enormous suffering, and that might

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help people reattach themselves to their cross, because there's no

480
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West without Christianity, Protestant or Catholic. There's no West without Christianity.

481
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The difference between us, we can part them aside. We

482
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agree on this fundamental issue. And this is the trajectory

483
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in which the West is heading. It's going from the

484
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peak of its power, it's going to go down to

485
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a crest, and it's going to recover again the question

486
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is how long is the decline, how much suffering will

487
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the West have to endure during that decline, and what

488
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,519
kind of organizations are going to be established to re

489
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evangelize to help begin the recovery, because there's no recovery

490
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without re evangelization.

491
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Well, one of the you mentioned, you mentioned Russia and

493
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China having to have defeats before they can before they

494
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can rise up again. One of the things that neither

495
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one of those had to just had to suffer were

496
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large diaspora groups invading and taking region.

497
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Speaker 4: Is a uniquely Western problem, and.

498
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Speaker 1: It's yeah, So, I mean, I don't see achieving what

499
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you're what you're talking about, even with a rebirth of

500
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Christianity without removing forces that are hostile to it within US.

501
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Speaker 2: And that I mean that not.

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Speaker 1: Only includes Islam, that includes especially Hinduism.

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Speaker 4: Not just that, I mean you're beginning to see how

504
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far the left is willing to go in the United States.

505
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So you're not just seeing the riots in la You

506
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saw a small issue in New York in late May,

507
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and you're seeing a call for general protests throughout the

508
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United States. On the fourteenth of June, we're recording now

509
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on the tenth. So throughout this process, the left is

510
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going to side with the enemy. You see this in France,

511
00:36:48,199 --> 00:36:51,400
you see this in Look. I think that what the

512
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,039
Israelis are doing to the Palastinians is absolutely criminal in

513
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terms of cutting off aid, in terms of bombing civilians

514
00:36:56,480 --> 00:36:59,920
and so on. Part that to the side the globe

515
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in Tifada and the support for the Palestinians from the

516
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left is destructive to the West. And these should be

517
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,440
seen as two separate issues and two separate westerns.

518
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Speaker 1: Mm hmm, well said, well, well, let me ask you this,

519
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,800
is it destructive to the West or is it destructive

520
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:23,920
to the forces that have been occupying the West specifically

521
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since World War Two.

522
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Speaker 4: It's definitely harmful to Jewish power, there's no debate around that.

523
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But it is also harmful to the West as West,

524
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because it is strengthening Islam at the expense of the West.

525
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It's sort of helping Islam fill this vacuue more effectively.

526
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Speaker 3: And there's just a sorry sorry for us. No.

527
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Speaker 4: I did a show recently on the on the Lotus

528
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Eaters where I basically just using the British government's own websites.

529
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There are a Muslim network. There is the civil Service

530
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:08,400
Muslim network. It's an established thing seeking to promote the

531
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,280
interests of Muslims in the civil service and help them

532
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:16,039
gain higher positions. The Left is fully an agent of that.

533
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:20,360
To take action against migration, you're going to have to

534
00:38:20,440 --> 00:38:25,239
have a whole of state approach, working on the welfare question,

535
00:38:25,400 --> 00:38:28,199
and on the healthcare question, and on the fact that

536
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:32,280
so much of Western logistics is dependent on migrants, and

537
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:38,639
working on all kinds of minute details, from the legal

538
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:45,119
to the practical. And this alliance, which has found a

539
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:51,760
rallying point in the question of Gaza, is helping further

540
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:55,760
Muslim power in the West at a time when the

541
00:38:55,800 --> 00:39:00,519
priority of Western governments should be reducing it. And this

542
00:39:00,559 --> 00:39:04,920
is an argument again completely separate from the practical reality

543
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,199
of what's happening in Israel Palestine, completely separate from that,

544
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and also separate from what's happening with the extent to

545
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,440
which Western governments are incapable of doing anything that is

546
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,719
in any way seen as harmful to the interests of Israel.

547
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:28,000
So these are three separate issues. This alliance is purely destructive,

548
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:33,960
and it's found this rallying point, and this rallying point

549
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:37,159
is revealing the depth and extent of this alliance and

550
00:39:37,199 --> 00:39:43,440
its insanity expressed by the presence of homosexual flags next

551
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to Palestinian flags.

552
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Speaker 3: Well, so let's see the sum of not an exhaustive list,

553
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,239
but let's talk about some of the reasons that those

554
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:58,159
things are tied together. First of all, a you have

555
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in we have cultivated and part of it's due to

556
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the lack of a spiritual understanding. In America, we have

557
00:40:08,000 --> 00:40:13,079
an incredibly high time preference and that acts as a

558
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:19,760
as it completely destroys your immune system culturally. So so

559
00:40:20,000 --> 00:40:26,519
these uh, then you just have competing teleologies with with

560
00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:34,440
both Islam and modern Judaism and the West, because modern

561
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Judaism and Islam are both monatic in their understanding of

562
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who God is and and what do I mean by that.

563
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,960
That's a fancy word, and I don't mean to be pedantic,

564
00:40:45,960 --> 00:40:49,800
but it's you know, Christianity is trinitarian. There is a

565
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there is a relationship even in amongst the Godhead that

566
00:40:54,599 --> 00:40:56,960
we reflect down here. That's where you get all the

567
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you know, by the two or more witnesses. That's a

568
00:41:01,079 --> 00:41:05,039
trinitarian concept. The reason we have a tripartite government in

569
00:41:05,079 --> 00:41:09,679
America is a reflection of a trinitarian understanding. It's why

570
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:16,519
judicial judicial supremacy and judicial review are honestly monatic corruptions

571
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:20,480
to a Western understanding of what government is. Even the

572
00:41:20,599 --> 00:41:24,599
kings during the days of kings in the West understood

573
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that they were beholden to their to their nobles, and

574
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:31,760
their and and and and their their keepers. There was

575
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never even in France under the days of the Sun

576
00:41:35,440 --> 00:41:40,039
king he understood that he was responsible to and accountable

577
00:41:40,079 --> 00:41:45,360
to the nobility. So that is very much a Western idea,

578
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:51,960
this idea of of relational accountability that doesn't exist in

579
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,840
from the top, at least from the understanding of who

580
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we are as created beings. Uh, that's a competing idea

581
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in Islam and in modern Judaism, that relational accountability just

582
00:42:06,320 --> 00:42:09,440
doesn't exist and we've lost it due to this high

583
00:42:09,519 --> 00:42:12,559
time preference. Because what is time preference? I want to

584
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:15,719
I don't just live for me. I live for to

585
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,599
honor those who came before me and to bless those

586
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:25,159
who come after. That is trinitarian, Okay, So so anyway,

587
00:42:25,719 --> 00:42:30,199
I think I think that's part of the philosophical problem

588
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:34,079
is we've lost our roots and therefore it's easy for

589
00:42:34,199 --> 00:42:37,280
these contagions to come in. And that's again, that's no

590
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:43,000
I have no I'm not saying anything against the individual

591
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,440
faithful Muslim. I'm not saying anything against the individual faithful

592
00:42:49,519 --> 00:42:55,239
follower of modern Judaism. I'm just saying that culturally and teleologically,

593
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these are competing systems.

594
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Speaker 4: Yes, yes, and and the tragic part of this ron

595
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is that if you were to say this in the

596
00:43:07,039 --> 00:43:14,480
British Parliament, not only would it completely go over their heads,

597
00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:16,039
it almost went over mine.

598
00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:20,239
Speaker 3: But I doubt that very seriously.

599
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Speaker 4: But their eyes would glaze over and then they would

600
00:43:23,639 --> 00:43:28,760
just call you a racist. And that's that's how low

601
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brow the debate is in the public sphere in Britain,

602
00:43:35,079 --> 00:43:37,920
and I would argue I would expect in most of Europe.

603
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,440
I'm most familiar with the debate here.

604
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Speaker 5: So the the situation that we have is not one

605
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where Westerners and especially Western leaders are lost.

606
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Speaker 4: They're lost and they don't know that they're lost. If

607
00:43:59,039 --> 00:44:01,800
you know you're lost, you can begin to find your way.

608
00:44:04,079 --> 00:44:06,880
They don't know that they're lost. They think that they're

609
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:13,079
still the light onto the world, whereas the rest of

610
00:44:13,119 --> 00:44:18,199
the world now looks at them mockingly. Saudi and Imaati

611
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:26,960
officials will attack the British political leaders because of their

612
00:44:27,039 --> 00:44:34,000
tolerance for jihadism. There are practices that are permitted here

613
00:44:34,039 --> 00:44:38,880
in Britain that are literally forbidden even in Saudi Arabia,

614
00:44:39,079 --> 00:44:44,880
the UAE and Kuwait. This is how bad things are.

615
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:49,519
It's not that they don't see Islam as a threat,

616
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:53,719
which anybody with an understanding of Islam should accept. That

617
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:57,280
it's a religion that seeks to govern and to govern

618
00:44:57,320 --> 00:45:04,199
who to govern you. They're not even aware of the

619
00:45:04,280 --> 00:45:08,199
possibility of their being a problem because they don't understand

620
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:16,679
their people as their own. The word our people implies racism,

621
00:45:16,840 --> 00:45:19,639
and in a sense I'm going to say this, they

622
00:45:19,639 --> 00:45:23,599
are correct because it implies that there is a difference

623
00:45:23,639 --> 00:45:28,480
between different groups of people, without in any way saying

624
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:32,119
that this individual is superior or inferior purely by virtue

625
00:45:32,119 --> 00:45:36,719
of belonging to that group. But the very idea of

626
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:43,079
difference is alien to them. This is why when there

627
00:45:43,159 --> 00:45:49,280
is crime, what's driving it is socioeconomic factors. That's all.

628
00:45:50,119 --> 00:45:53,559
The only thing that causes crime is socioeconomic factors. And

629
00:45:53,599 --> 00:45:55,400
you're not allowed to go any further.

630
00:45:58,440 --> 00:46:01,519
Speaker 1: Well, well, let me ask, Let me ask this, is

631
00:46:01,559 --> 00:46:08,519
it even possible for them to recognize that groups will

632
00:46:08,519 --> 00:46:13,639
have preference for like Islam wants to rule when for

633
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:18,880
eighty years they've been taught not to notice that there's

634
00:46:18,920 --> 00:46:21,960
a group ruling over us right now. So if you've

635
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:27,039
been so if you've been so brainwashed into not being

636
00:46:27,079 --> 00:46:30,239
able to see one group, you're not really going you

637
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:31,880
may not be able to see another group.

638
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:32,039
Speaker 3: Now.

639
00:46:32,079 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: A lot of people will say, well, people are if

640
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:38,000
you're in power, you're being paid or you're being blackmailed

641
00:46:38,079 --> 00:46:40,480
not to see this. No one is being Everything is

642
00:46:40,519 --> 00:46:44,480
an OP. To some people, everything is an OP. But

643
00:46:44,559 --> 00:46:49,760
also social engineering is very real. And I think that's

644
00:46:50,039 --> 00:46:54,400
one of the problems is is that if you can't

645
00:46:54,440 --> 00:46:57,159
see that one group is in charge and has a

646
00:46:57,159 --> 00:47:01,480
babysitter for everyone in Congress except Thomas Massy. According to

647
00:47:01,559 --> 00:47:04,440
Thomas Massey, how do you how are you gonna be

648
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,559
able to see that any that any other group is

649
00:47:07,599 --> 00:47:09,960
seeking to take power?

650
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Speaker 4: Look, without fully agreeing with you, I'm going to say this.

651
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:25,239
The theology on which Western leader operate is the theology

652
00:47:25,400 --> 00:47:28,000
of World War two and the post World War two order,

653
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:35,719
which fundamentally understands Europeans as criminals and other groups as

654
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:43,400
they're victims any other group. This is a mind virus.

655
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:50,079
This is very much a mind virus. And it's impossible

656
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:58,679
to say that actually different groups have different identities therefore

657
00:47:58,719 --> 00:48:04,880
different values and different interests, which makes it more important

658
00:48:04,920 --> 00:48:11,039
to state that loudly and clearly. Nixon did a perfect

659
00:48:11,119 --> 00:48:13,360
job of it. He said, I'm a full on ally

660
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of Israel. I want to support Israel, but some Jewish

661
00:48:16,639 --> 00:48:20,320
Americans think that what is everything good for Israel is

662
00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:23,880
automatically good for America. I'm the president of America. I

663
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:27,599
think that the interests of America sometimes diverged, and I

664
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will put them first above the interests of Israel. It's simple.

665
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And he even cloaked it as saying, well, not only that,

666
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that is also Israel's actual interest if they were as

667
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wise as I am.

668
00:48:42,159 --> 00:48:44,719
Speaker 3: And that's where we need That's where we need to

669
00:48:44,760 --> 00:48:48,599
go if Israel wants to be I wrote for Claremont

670
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:52,360
about this. If Israel, as Strauss argued, is part of

671
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the West. And Strauss was no Zionist, I mean he

672
00:48:58,159 --> 00:49:00,639
obviously very much cared about the wealth for the of

673
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the of the Jewish people. He said that was his

674
00:49:03,039 --> 00:49:08,559
entire esoteric purpose was to make the world safe. Uh,

675
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for for uh that Jews could live in peace. Was

676
00:49:12,079 --> 00:49:15,280
was the quote that Jaffa gave and is in his

677
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:18,920
little known interview with U with the University of Chicago.

678
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But he was he was very concerned that Zionism would

679
00:49:23,199 --> 00:49:26,880
remove the very spirituality that allowed Jews to live at

680
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:29,280
peace in the world. In other words, if they weren't

681
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:35,480
governed by some commitment to God given morality and spirituality,

682
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they would become soon become a scourge upon the earth,

683
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was kind of his thinking. So uh. But but he

684
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argued that that that that that Jerusalem is is part

685
00:49:50,639 --> 00:49:53,000
of the West. But for it to be part of

686
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:55,400
the West, it has to it has to look up,

687
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,880
not down, upon who the West's leader is. And regardless,

688
00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:02,400
I don't care who you are, the United States is

689
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the leader of the West right now, and so a

690
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United The current foreign the current domestic and foreign policy

691
00:50:11,320 --> 00:50:15,199
of Israel is detrimental to the West. What they are

692
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:20,239
doing is hurting both there and the US and the

693
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wider West reputation. And furthermore, it's driving Iran and Russia

694
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further into the arms of China and a United Eurasia

695
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under China is death to the West.

696
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Speaker 4: Absolutely.

697
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Speaker 3: It doesn't mean it will kill every single Westerner. What

698
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I mean is is that it is death for the

699
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leadership of any hope of the leadership of the West

700
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in the world's long you know, middle and long term future.

701
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And the lack of understanding if when I, you know,

702
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and I wrote hopefully cogently about that about it got

703
00:50:54,039 --> 00:50:57,199
a lot of clicks, then suddenly I'm being labeled, well,

704
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,719
you're just you have the secret, you know, Andy Simon,

705
00:51:00,800 --> 00:51:04,400
I don't. I'm I'm you know, Pete's been around me.

706
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:07,920
That's not the point is that's exactly what you said.

707
00:51:08,119 --> 00:51:13,119
What is in their best interest is is being aligned

708
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:18,559
with understanding what the what the larger best interests are,

709
00:51:18,800 --> 00:51:25,360
not the narrow focused self interest. And so it's and

710
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,360
that's this is a very very hard nut to crack

711
00:51:29,480 --> 00:51:33,719
right now. I'm trying to write on it. I'm trying

712
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:36,519
to write on it in a gracious way and in

713
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:40,679
a way that is not ultra sectarian or anything, because

714
00:51:40,679 --> 00:51:43,920
that's not my intention. But I do want what's best

715
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:46,119
for the United States, and I think that's what's best

716
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:52,199
in the long term for the survival of of a

717
00:51:52,320 --> 00:51:59,079
cohesive Western culture and civilization. And I'm glad we kind

718
00:51:59,079 --> 00:52:01,000
of got into this because I wanted to talk. This

719
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:03,760
is something I wanted really to get your thoughts on

720
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:04,840
for us.

721
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:10,119
Speaker 4: So a couple of things. Israel has lost the capacity

722
00:52:10,159 --> 00:52:15,239
to think strategically. If you're in the Middle East, you

723
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,239
need somebody on your side. If you're in the Middleast

724
00:52:19,239 --> 00:52:21,679
and you're just eight million people in the Middle East

725
00:52:23,159 --> 00:52:27,000
the number of Israeli citizens, you need somebody bigger than

726
00:52:27,079 --> 00:52:29,159
you on your size. Egypt is one hundred and twenty

727
00:52:29,199 --> 00:52:32,280
million people. Turkey's eighty million people. It's taken over Sirias,

728
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:35,559
there's another twenty million. It might take over northern Iraq,

729
00:52:35,559 --> 00:52:42,599
there's another ten million. These are huge countries. You need

730
00:52:42,639 --> 00:52:45,440
to be able to play them off against each other

731
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:49,079
and have decent relations with both and if not, at

732
00:52:49,199 --> 00:52:51,840
least you need to have a relationship with Iran, to

733
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,880
work with Iran to counter Turkey and maybe find a

734
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:59,000
way to appeace Egypt. This is strapsgy one on one.

735
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:00,280
If you're stuck in the midlif.

736
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,400
Speaker 3: You've got to at least have a three legged stool.

737
00:53:02,840 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 4: Yes, my original community before I converted is Jews. We're

738
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:10,440
a minority community that's been there for a thousand years.

739
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:14,840
Everybody's tried to destroy us at some point, you know,

740
00:53:15,440 --> 00:53:18,880
and this is something that is in our genes that

741
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,280
you must figure out a way to have a functioning

742
00:53:22,360 --> 00:53:28,119
relationship with people who hate you. The Israelis are incapable

743
00:53:28,119 --> 00:53:32,360
of thinking this way, at least under this government. And

744
00:53:32,480 --> 00:53:36,000
this government is led by Israel's longest serving prime minister

745
00:53:37,079 --> 00:53:41,559
and the most effective coalition builder in Israel, Benjamin Nataniello,

746
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:45,760
to give him credit where credit is due. They see

747
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:49,519
the Iranians as a threat, They see the Egyptians as

748
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:52,320
a threat, They see the Gulf Arabs as a threat,

749
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:57,000
and the Turks as a threat. They all might be threats,

750
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,199
fair enough, when you're a minority, everybody looks like a threat.

751
00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:05,639
But part of acting as a minority in power is

752
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:11,119
being confident enough to make temporary arrangements. So the Israelis

753
00:54:11,159 --> 00:54:15,920
are trying to block a US Iran deal, even though

754
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:19,760
after what we saw in Yemen, it's very obvious that

755
00:54:19,880 --> 00:54:22,880
the US will not lose a shooting war against Iran,

756
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:24,079
but it won't win one.

757
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 3: Either, Right, There's no that's a pretty defensible country, extremely so,

758
00:54:32,679 --> 00:54:35,480
and they've burrowed under the mountains.

759
00:54:35,519 --> 00:54:38,960
Speaker 4: Their nuclear sites are deep, deep, deep in the mountains,

760
00:54:39,480 --> 00:54:42,400
so are their missile bases, so are their drone bases.

761
00:54:43,039 --> 00:54:45,920
They can keep firing for a very long time. If

762
00:54:45,960 --> 00:54:49,000
the United States with two aircraft carriers couldn't do anything

763
00:54:49,000 --> 00:54:53,280
against the Hothi, who are fully exposed, it won't be

764
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:55,280
able to do much against the Iranians.

765
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,559
Speaker 3: That's right. And no one's going to cross that salt desert.

766
00:55:00,119 --> 00:55:05,599
Speaker 4: Nobody's invading Idan, nobody's invading Eada. Absolutely, these Raelis are

767
00:55:05,599 --> 00:55:09,360
trying to obstruct this when really one of the few

768
00:55:09,559 --> 00:55:13,360
rational plays that they have is to work with the

769
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,159
Iranians to prop up a few other communities in the

770
00:55:16,199 --> 00:55:20,239
Middle East in the face of Turkey and the Gulf

771
00:55:20,320 --> 00:55:23,320
Arabs in Egypt, because they're terrified of Turkey, would support

772
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:29,440
them mhm. But they're so adamant on achieving the unachievable

773
00:55:29,480 --> 00:55:33,239
in Gaza, which is the destruction of Hamas, and Hamas

774
00:55:33,400 --> 00:55:36,880
is just a genuine expression of the Palestinian people. And

775
00:55:36,920 --> 00:55:40,239
that's a horrible thing to say about the Palestinians. I

776
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:44,039
want to emphasize this. That's an insult to the Palestinians

777
00:55:44,039 --> 00:55:50,840
that Hamas is legitimate, but it is mm hmm. And

778
00:55:50,880 --> 00:55:55,280
these Raelis are just incapable of getting past this and

779
00:55:55,360 --> 00:55:59,440
of finding a way to operate strategically. So Trump has

780
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:03,280
begun firing a couple of key officials responsible for the

781
00:56:03,320 --> 00:56:08,239
Middle East, including a gentleman who had been at the

782
00:56:08,320 --> 00:56:14,519
Washington Institute, an actual duel Israeli American citizen, and a

783
00:56:14,639 --> 00:56:17,639
lady who is a convert to Judaism who is responsible

784
00:56:17,639 --> 00:56:21,639
for the Lebanon file. All three of those are being dismissed.

785
00:56:23,360 --> 00:56:27,599
This is good news because it points to an Exxonian approach,

786
00:56:28,639 --> 00:56:32,000
which is right now where the American establishment is the

787
00:56:32,039 --> 00:56:34,400
best available approach.

788
00:56:35,519 --> 00:56:35,880
Speaker 2: Mhm.

789
00:56:37,320 --> 00:56:39,800
Speaker 4: So we're seeing Trump try to do this, and we're

790
00:56:39,800 --> 00:56:44,239
seeing him try to reconcile with Russia, but he's not

791
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,960
exerting enough pressure on the Ukrainians. He's not telling Elon

792
00:56:48,039 --> 00:56:51,440
Muster switch off Starlink, which would cause the collapse of

793
00:56:51,480 --> 00:56:54,880
the Ukrainians and fix the problem with Russia, because he's

794
00:56:54,920 --> 00:57:00,760
afraid that Russia would go further Baltics or Finland, and

795
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,719
it's a legitimate fear. The Russians won't feel safe until

796
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:10,039
they reach the Carpathian Mountains, and until they've consolidated over

797
00:57:10,079 --> 00:57:13,400
the Baltics, that's just the geography of Saint Petersburg. Geography

798
00:57:13,440 --> 00:57:17,199
is merciless, so worse still.

799
00:57:17,039 --> 00:57:20,639
Speaker 3: Ye full the gap is still the full of the gap,

800
00:57:20,760 --> 00:57:21,800
still a gap.

801
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:26,960
Speaker 4: Exactly exactly. So we're starting to see a shift towards

802
00:57:27,039 --> 00:57:30,199
realism on the part of the Americans. And this is

803
00:57:30,239 --> 00:57:33,880
the only player that counts, or it's the it's the

804
00:57:33,920 --> 00:57:36,280
most The Americans are the most important player in the

805
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:41,000
Middle East. If we see this shift, and if we

806
00:57:41,079 --> 00:57:47,360
see the imposition of some discipline on Israel, we could

807
00:57:47,400 --> 00:57:51,840
start seeing shifts in strategy. But it's really a test case.

808
00:57:53,559 --> 00:57:55,800
And this is happening at a time when the Americans

809
00:57:55,840 --> 00:58:00,519
are getting ready to withdraw from Syria. They had eight

810
00:58:00,559 --> 00:58:04,159
bases in Syria. They've consolidated them into one. This is

811
00:58:04,239 --> 00:58:07,800
usually a prelude to a full withdrawal, which means that

812
00:58:07,880 --> 00:58:11,559
Turkey is going to fully take Syria mm hm. And

813
00:58:11,639 --> 00:58:13,400
so these Raelis are going to look around them and

814
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:15,920
they're going to see the Turks in Cyprus, They're going

815
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,320
to see the Turks in North Lebanon, and they're going

816
00:58:18,360 --> 00:58:20,679
to see the Turks in at least half of Syria,

817
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:21,599
if not more.

818
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

819
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:28,159
Speaker 4: They've got to get realistic. They have to get realistic.

820
00:58:29,159 --> 00:58:33,880
But they are incapable of thinking strategically right now. All

821
00:58:33,920 --> 00:58:37,679
they see around them is enemies with zero opportunities for

822
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:42,519
localized compromises, which you must do if you're a minority

823
00:58:42,519 --> 00:58:46,400
in them add least. So let's see how this plays out.

824
00:58:48,480 --> 00:58:52,960
Speaker 3: I've got a quick question, do you think it's Do

825
00:58:53,039 --> 00:58:58,639
you think that the current iteration of the State Department

826
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:06,199
cares enough enough about countering uh China's moves in UH

827
00:59:06,760 --> 00:59:14,079
Saharan and and in Middle Africa to help Russia? And

828
00:59:14,119 --> 00:59:18,360
I know the answers, no, they don't. But my concern

829
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:21,400
is Russia loses that deep water port into the into

830
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:24,519
the med they are they're going to lose their ability

831
00:59:24,519 --> 00:59:29,480
to counter Chinese influence and and especially in Northern Africa.

832
00:59:30,039 --> 00:59:32,519
And this is a this is a concern of mine.

833
00:59:32,920 --> 00:59:35,639
It may not be a concern of American you know,

834
00:59:36,239 --> 00:59:42,119
of the American powers that be right now, but you know, again,

835
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:44,480
if we're talking about a three legged stool, I'd at

836
00:59:44,519 --> 00:59:47,800
least like to see a two legged stool in in

837
00:59:47,800 --> 00:59:53,320
in in Africa. Because the Africans, with few exceptions, are

838
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:57,559
seen pretty incapable of self government. So they're going to

839
00:59:57,599 --> 01:00:00,280
be very as they always have been in in Again,

840
01:00:00,719 --> 01:00:04,679
I'm just trying to be real. Uh, they're always going

841
01:00:04,719 --> 01:00:08,280
to be subject to foreign influence. Yes, and there's a

842
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:12,360
lot of there's there's a lot of you know that

843
01:00:12,360 --> 01:00:16,280
that that continent is massive and has not been depleted

844
01:00:16,280 --> 01:00:21,440
of its natural resources whatsoever. So do you see, you know,

845
01:00:21,559 --> 01:00:25,559
if Russia loses that Syrian port, they're gonna have you know,

846
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:30,519
and then they're completely dependent upon the Turks for getting

847
01:00:30,559 --> 01:00:36,039
in and for Bosporus. Dardnell's that gives the Turks and

848
01:00:36,599 --> 01:00:37,280
a lot of power.

849
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,719
Speaker 4: That's already happened. The Russian port is fully vulnerable to

850
01:00:41,800 --> 01:00:43,599
drone strikes by Turkey's allies.

851
01:00:44,519 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 3: Okay, and well I figure but.

852
01:00:47,239 --> 01:00:49,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, and and the reason this hasn't happened was because

853
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:55,039
Asad fell by some kind of arrangement between Russia and

854
01:00:55,119 --> 01:00:58,760
Turkey and perhaps Israel as a sort of final blow

855
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:03,039
to Hesbulda. But in reality, Asset was key to the

856
01:01:03,039 --> 01:01:07,039
region's stability, just as Saddam was key to the region stability. Right,

857
01:01:07,559 --> 01:01:10,480
And there is no learning on the part of the Israelis.

858
01:01:11,079 --> 01:01:14,800
It was Natanyahu who advocated very aggressively for the overthrow

859
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,440
of Saddam. He didn't learn his lesson. He then went

860
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:22,599
and advocated for the overthrow of Asset. Even though the

861
01:01:22,679 --> 01:01:26,920
Israelis were fully informed of all of the military movements

862
01:01:26,960 --> 01:01:32,599
of Hezbullah in Syria, possibly by the Syrians themselves. They

863
01:01:32,639 --> 01:01:36,920
were telling they were sending what SAP messages to the

864
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,800
Syrian Ministry of Defense and to the head of Syrian intelligence,

865
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:44,960
telling them which shipments they had detected and what they

866
01:01:45,000 --> 01:01:47,480
would do if these shipments were allowed to go through.

867
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:53,679
That's so much information they had on Syria, and yet

868
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:58,159
with all of that intelligence, they couldn't they couldn't think

869
01:01:58,159 --> 01:02:04,800
about it strategically. The the the Quran has beautiful passages,

870
01:02:04,960 --> 01:02:07,519
much as I disagree with it. One of them is

871
01:02:07,559 --> 01:02:11,119
about how when God is angry with the people, he

872
01:02:11,239 --> 01:02:14,519
blinds their hearts and their eyes and closes their ears.

873
01:02:15,559 --> 01:02:23,519
Mm hmm. It it sort of feels like this. It's

874
01:02:23,559 --> 01:02:26,360
sort of this is what these wings are suffering from.

875
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,639
Speaker 3: That sounds like Isaiah too, So.

876
01:02:29,119 --> 01:02:31,320
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, because a lot of the Quran is sort

877
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:37,119
of is. The Quran is Jewish celefism that accepts that

878
01:02:37,280 --> 01:02:40,679
Christ is important. Yeah, that's what the.

879
01:02:41,039 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 3: Is with some with a little bit it seems like

880
01:02:43,800 --> 01:02:50,800
a little bit of that uh mid first millennium gnostic influence.

881
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,519
Speaker 4: Uh historian and the story story.

882
01:02:55,599 --> 01:03:00,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very nice question. Do you did you see?

883
01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:03,760
I don't know if it's credible. I saw and I

884
01:03:03,800 --> 01:03:06,039
got an alert that Zelenski was on an airplane to

885
01:03:06,199 --> 01:03:09,719
Washington overnight. You heard anything about this.

886
01:03:10,400 --> 01:03:11,599
Speaker 4: I haven't seen this yet.

887
01:03:12,400 --> 01:03:12,599
Speaker 3: Yeah.

888
01:03:13,119 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's looking at that, but I

889
01:03:15,800 --> 01:03:17,000
haven't seen this yet.

890
01:03:17,280 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 3: It was tracking his end number. For those of you

891
01:03:21,960 --> 01:03:27,760
in aviation, Uh, you know, it's from a from a source.

892
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:32,480
I it's normally pretty reputable. But but we'll see had

893
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:34,159
made a stopover in Iceland.

894
01:03:34,519 --> 01:03:39,119
Speaker 4: So interesting. Interesting. Yeah, well, look, if Trump has any sense,

895
01:03:39,159 --> 01:03:47,039
he's saying, this isn't my war dropping dropping.

896
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:51,639
Speaker 3: Well, again, as Pete has alluded to, I think he's

897
01:03:52,119 --> 01:03:56,480
there are a lot of influences that are you know, uh,

898
01:03:57,039 --> 01:04:01,119
that are making that difficult for him to drop it,

899
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:08,639
both from not a purely not simply on the ethnic issues,

900
01:04:08,719 --> 01:04:12,239
but also on the man that's been a profitable grift

901
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:13,280
for a long time.

902
01:04:14,119 --> 01:04:18,559
Speaker 4: A lot of people, it's for a lot of people.

903
01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:24,079
Speaker 1: Well, I think the real the real question is, and

904
01:04:24,119 --> 01:04:30,400
I was talking to Tom Lawogo about this, was we

905
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:34,519
know Europe wants to keep this going, City of London,

906
01:04:35,159 --> 01:04:40,320
EU wants this war to keep going. Yes, And I

907
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:43,440
actually floated the idea to long ago and he said

908
01:04:43,440 --> 01:04:48,760
he was going to think about it. That is this

909
01:04:49,280 --> 01:04:56,119
an opportunity for Russia to have, for Russia to give

910
01:04:56,559 --> 01:04:59,840
and whoever may be working behind the scenes with them,

911
01:05:00,519 --> 01:05:03,000
give Europe, the EU and the City of London their

912
01:05:03,039 --> 01:05:08,880
own Vietnam where they are just where Russia because they

913
01:05:08,880 --> 01:05:13,880
can they have their own factories, you know, as as

914
01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:18,360
Litwak would say, if you don't make your own you're

915
01:05:18,400 --> 01:05:20,800
not a free country unless you make your own weapons

916
01:05:20,840 --> 01:05:25,000
and e anything. So Russia can do this forever?

917
01:05:25,760 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 4: Yes?

918
01:05:26,199 --> 01:05:29,239
Speaker 2: Are they? Are they willing.

919
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:37,440
Speaker 1: To if if Trump pulls us out, if if Musk

920
01:05:37,519 --> 01:05:41,079
turns off the set, it turns off starlink? Is the

921
01:05:41,119 --> 01:05:43,800
EU and the City of London willing to take over

922
01:05:43,880 --> 01:05:47,119
and keep this going? And does that just slowly grind

923
01:05:47,159 --> 01:05:49,400
them down and destroy their power as well?

924
01:05:50,000 --> 01:05:54,239
Speaker 4: Well? Look at it this way. If you look at

925
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:58,400
the national debt of Britain, it's one hundred to one

926
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:02,519
hundred and six percent of GDP with a five percent deficit.

927
01:06:03,719 --> 01:06:05,639
France I think it's one hundred and twenty with a

928
01:06:05,679 --> 01:06:13,800
six percent deficit. Italy Spain almost economic basket cases. Germany

929
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:16,320
just decided that it was going to allow its debt

930
01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:19,400
to explode. It had a constitutional limit on it. Now

931
01:06:19,400 --> 01:06:21,000
it's going to borrow as much as it needs to.

932
01:06:22,079 --> 01:06:26,159
Russia's debt to GDP is maybe twenty five percent something

933
01:06:26,239 --> 01:06:29,280
like that, and their deficit is around one two percent

934
01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:33,000
of GDP, So they're growing faster than the deficit is growing,

935
01:06:33,079 --> 01:06:36,039
meaning that they're debt to GDP is falling, which is

936
01:06:36,079 --> 01:06:39,000
the inverse for most of us in Europe.

937
01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:44,760
Speaker 3: When it sounds like Christian culture, so again, well it's

938
01:06:44,800 --> 01:06:47,920
it sounds like a manifested Christian culture. I know that's

939
01:06:47,960 --> 01:06:50,239
going to bother people. Yeah, that will bother.

940
01:06:50,719 --> 01:06:55,679
Speaker 1: That's that's going to bother the certain tribe that controls everyone.

941
01:06:56,079 --> 01:06:58,880
Crowd definitely of something that I don't buy into.

942
01:06:59,079 --> 01:07:00,519
Speaker 2: I mean Russia.

943
01:07:02,119 --> 01:07:05,559
Speaker 1: Russia's history, especially in the last I would say thirty

944
01:07:05,719 --> 01:07:10,440
to thirty five to forty years, shows that there's an animosity.

945
01:07:10,480 --> 01:07:13,039
You can look at the road you look at Rhodesia

946
01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:16,199
and see the animosity, see who was supplying weapons to

947
01:07:16,239 --> 01:07:21,000
what side, and you can see the animosity.

948
01:07:20,079 --> 01:07:22,360
Speaker 3: Keep going for as you're doing good stuff.

949
01:07:23,440 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 4: So when you look at it from this perspective, from

950
01:07:26,400 --> 01:07:30,440
this just purely materialist economic perspective, the West is in

951
01:07:30,480 --> 01:07:33,000
no position to actually do this for a long time.

952
01:07:34,079 --> 01:07:36,840
When you look at it from the perspective of immigration,

953
01:07:36,960 --> 01:07:40,920
which is where we started this conversation, I'm telling my

954
01:07:41,039 --> 01:07:47,000
clients not to ensure assets that are vulnerable to rioting

955
01:07:47,800 --> 01:07:52,880
in major European cities because I see a pretty serious

956
01:07:53,000 --> 01:07:57,199
risk of escalations and rounds of rioting, And at the

957
01:07:57,239 --> 01:08:06,599
top of my list are Ireland, Britain, France, Belgium. So

958
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:13,559
these countries are enormously vulnerable. Taking it to the Americans' perspective,

959
01:08:15,599 --> 01:08:20,880
if they want to keep Europe intact, they need to

960
01:08:21,079 --> 01:08:26,600
make Europe lose this war quickly, m to sort of

961
01:08:26,640 --> 01:08:31,960
wake them up to reality rather than prop them up indefinitely.

962
01:08:33,680 --> 01:08:38,239
But the Americans are so attached in terms of financial institutions,

963
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:41,159
and in terms of defense establishment, and in terms of

964
01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:46,239
NATO to Europe that it isn't clear how they can

965
01:08:46,359 --> 01:08:50,439
navigate this and This is happening at a time where

966
01:08:50,479 --> 01:08:54,159
there is a serious domestic crisis brewing in the United States.

967
01:08:54,920 --> 01:08:59,079
There is a constitutional crisis brewing between the executive and

968
01:08:59,119 --> 01:09:04,199
the judiciary. There is a constitutional crisis brewing between the

969
01:09:04,279 --> 01:09:07,319
states and perhaps all three states of the Western seaboard,

970
01:09:08,239 --> 01:09:13,640
and the federal government. And with the spending issue, it

971
01:09:13,720 --> 01:09:21,840
might become a crisis between Congress and the administration. So

972
01:09:21,399 --> 01:09:26,319
I'm trying to write a piece here arguing that we're

973
01:09:26,399 --> 01:09:33,119
moving from the long poly crisis to the great emergency,

974
01:09:34,960 --> 01:09:38,119
to what I would describe as the great emergency. And

975
01:09:38,159 --> 01:09:41,640
this is solely dependent on the outcome of what happens

976
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,319
with the riots in the United States. If you look

977
01:09:45,359 --> 01:09:50,760
at these riots, they're highly organized. These are activists who

978
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:53,760
have been training to do this for many years, who

979
01:09:53,840 --> 01:09:56,880
have a very skilled playbook on how to play the

980
01:09:56,960 --> 01:10:00,520
media and to spin the narrative and to rally support.

981
01:10:01,000 --> 01:10:05,000
Everything from putting babies in the front lines of protests,

982
01:10:05,840 --> 01:10:12,239
to how to use batricades, to how to impose decision dilemmas,

983
01:10:12,239 --> 01:10:17,640
et cetera, et cetera. The Elensky playbook essentially that's being

984
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:20,520
deployed against the state with the full support of the

985
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:25,560
Democratic Party. Everybody in the Democratic Party who has spoken

986
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,359
about the protests has done so in a mealy mouthed way,

987
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:34,439
intending to blame the violence on the state enforcing the

988
01:10:34,560 --> 01:10:37,079
law rather than on the lawbreakers.

989
01:10:38,039 --> 01:10:41,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, this sounds a lot like the kind of the

990
01:10:41,159 --> 01:10:42,319
early part of may Dan.

991
01:10:44,000 --> 01:10:47,720
Speaker 4: Yes, this is a color revolution and action. And you

992
01:10:47,840 --> 01:10:53,319
see norm Eysen's fat fingers all over this, and you

993
01:10:53,560 --> 01:11:01,720
see this process of trying to force a crisis now on. Yeah,

994
01:11:01,880 --> 01:11:05,039
and then you wonder, well, what happens if he declares

995
01:11:05,079 --> 01:11:06,880
that certain states are in a state of insurrection?

996
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does fie on.

997
01:11:10,319 --> 01:11:12,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, and what kind of constitutional crisis do we end

998
01:11:12,760 --> 01:11:15,319
up with? Because you can't go well there in California

999
01:11:15,359 --> 01:11:18,399
any more than you can occupy Iran. You can improve

1000
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:22,800
orders in some cities, and you can break protesters in

1001
01:11:22,840 --> 01:11:26,159
some places, but you need some kind of political legitimacy.

1002
01:11:27,119 --> 01:11:29,199
And what's happening now in the same way that you

1003
01:11:29,239 --> 01:11:34,319
have the leftist Islamist alliance in in in in Western Europe,

1004
01:11:34,960 --> 01:11:40,159
you have a leftist Latino alliance that is emerging. And

1005
01:11:40,199 --> 01:11:42,119
I smell cartel money.

1006
01:11:43,039 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Well that's where that's what I hear. That's

1007
01:11:47,279 --> 01:11:53,239
especially especially after especially considering what the Mexican President said,

1008
01:11:53,319 --> 01:11:55,640
that smells very corrupt.

1009
01:11:56,039 --> 01:12:01,479
Speaker 4: So I always remind clients that look Shine Bown when

1010
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:06,479
she was mayor of Mexico City, statistically brought down the

1011
01:12:06,560 --> 01:12:11,800
murder rate. The disappearance rate shot through the roof. To

1012
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:15,199
do her a favor, the cartels began disappearing people rather

1013
01:12:15,239 --> 01:12:16,720
than killing them, rather than.

1014
01:12:17,640 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 3: Stringing them up from bridges.

1015
01:12:20,279 --> 01:12:25,520
Speaker 4: Exactly, exactly right. That points to a very close relationship.

1016
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 3: Amen, And I'm glad you said it.

1017
01:12:30,840 --> 01:12:34,960
Speaker 4: And once in a century opportunity for Mexico to gain

1018
01:12:35,039 --> 01:12:38,920
a lot more influence over the southern United States and

1019
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,880
to reclaim what they believe is land that was originally theirs.

1020
01:12:43,920 --> 01:12:50,039
So you're seeing this sort of slow moving, crashing train

1021
01:12:51,119 --> 01:12:57,359
heading towards the Great Emergency. And God knows what ends

1022
01:12:57,439 --> 01:13:02,960
up happening and how things change. But with a spiritual crisis,

1023
01:13:03,119 --> 01:13:08,319
it ends up manifesting in a material crisis. So the

1024
01:13:08,399 --> 01:13:12,279
people become unbelievers, and then there's a flood, the people

1025
01:13:12,319 --> 01:13:14,960
try to reach God, and then there is the Tower

1026
01:13:14,960 --> 01:13:22,079
of Babel. It always ends up having a material manifestation. Now,

1027
01:13:22,159 --> 01:13:24,840
nobody in analysis will say to you. Oh, the spiritual

1028
01:13:24,880 --> 01:13:27,960
and the material are connected. And I don't understand. Why

1029
01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:29,319
are you an analysis then? Why?

1030
01:13:29,399 --> 01:13:29,520
Speaker 3: Why?

1031
01:13:29,600 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 4: Why why are you trying to look at the world

1032
01:13:32,199 --> 01:13:34,920
like just be an economist and count beans or something.

1033
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:40,399
Speaker 3: Uh, it's all dark, it's all uh, it's all dark energy,

1034
01:13:40,720 --> 01:13:44,359
dark matter. It is. We just we just have to

1035
01:13:44,560 --> 01:13:47,520
We've got to find a plug for the equation to

1036
01:13:47,560 --> 01:13:48,840
make the spiritual go away.

1037
01:13:49,000 --> 01:13:56,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, exactly, just call it act sort of assumab're.

1038
01:13:54,720 --> 01:13:56,520
Speaker 3: We're just in a similar simulation.

1039
01:13:57,119 --> 01:13:57,479
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1040
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:03,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, what what I'm looking at is what I'm seeing,

1041
01:14:03,039 --> 01:14:07,760
and tell me if I'm wrong. I'm seeing that we've

1042
01:14:07,800 --> 01:14:12,239
reached a point where in the United States and probably

1043
01:14:12,239 --> 01:14:18,920
in Europe too, that you have to govern like your

1044
01:14:18,960 --> 01:14:24,800
assumption is that your enemy will never be in power again.

1045
01:14:27,039 --> 01:14:29,920
And that seems to be the way people are. That's

1046
01:14:30,000 --> 01:14:32,319
the way it seems to be the way people are governing,

1047
01:14:32,920 --> 01:14:37,640
but they're not doing The mistake is you're not doing

1048
01:14:37,720 --> 01:14:43,119
anything to make sure that doesn't happen. Yes, so you're

1049
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,960
everything seems like a band aid and until you're willing to,

1050
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:52,720
you know, cross the rubicon, and I mean sending marines

1051
01:14:53,079 --> 01:14:55,880
a lot of people would say sending marines into Los

1052
01:14:55,920 --> 01:15:03,159
Angeles and not MPs, but troops into into Los Angeles

1053
01:15:03,399 --> 01:15:07,279
is crossing the Rubicon. But the problem is is that

1054
01:15:07,680 --> 01:15:13,399
even nowadays, when people crossed Rubicon, they they just decide

1055
01:15:13,439 --> 01:15:15,239
to set up a camp on the other side instead

1056
01:15:15,279 --> 01:15:16,279
of keeping ongoing.

1057
01:15:16,680 --> 01:15:18,359
Speaker 2: If you get what I If you get what I mean.

1058
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:22,159
Speaker 4: There's no well the decisiveness there.

1059
01:15:22,520 --> 01:15:25,880
Speaker 3: The the issue is, let's go back to the the

1060
01:15:26,039 --> 01:15:30,479
comparison to mad Anne uh and and what we can

1061
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:33,039
put on our tenfoil hats a little bit. You know,

1062
01:15:33,079 --> 01:15:35,880
there was the there were the snipers. Yeah, and the

1063
01:15:36,000 --> 01:15:38,560
question is is whose side were the sniper's on when

1064
01:15:38,600 --> 01:15:42,000
a couple of heads got popped on TV that everybody saw,

1065
01:15:42,079 --> 01:15:47,640
especially throughout Europe. Yeah, the the the other side would

1066
01:15:47,720 --> 01:15:56,439
love nothing more than some twenty something, you know, crazy Antifa.

1067
01:15:56,960 --> 01:16:01,439
But female protester get her head popped by a five

1068
01:16:01,600 --> 01:16:02,279
five six.

1069
01:16:02,199 --> 01:16:05,199
Speaker 2: Round while she's holding a baby, well, she's.

1070
01:16:05,079 --> 01:16:09,399
Speaker 3: Holding whatever it is, right, and so it's a it's

1071
01:16:09,439 --> 01:16:14,960
a delicate unless you're gonna again tinfoil hat. I'm not

1072
01:16:15,000 --> 01:16:17,960
saying this is part of the but you know, unless

1073
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,319
you're willing to, you know, uh put an MP at

1074
01:16:22,359 --> 01:16:25,800
twenty thousand feet over southern California and turn all the

1075
01:16:25,880 --> 01:16:29,439
lights out, including the broadcast towers and all the computers.

1076
01:16:30,760 --> 01:16:34,880
You can't do what is You can't do what is

1077
01:16:35,560 --> 01:16:40,760
possibly necessary in order to bring order. So the question

1078
01:16:41,000 --> 01:16:43,920
is is it's it's you're just walking a tightrope and

1079
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:48,399
it's super windy and there's no net. And I, you know,

1080
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:52,319
I have a lot of respect for what they're doing

1081
01:16:52,399 --> 01:16:54,239
so far, because I think they're doing a pretty good

1082
01:16:54,319 --> 01:16:57,439
job of saying, hey, that sure looks like an enemy combatant.

1083
01:16:57,920 --> 01:17:00,760
You know, there's chaos and they're flying a ORN flag,

1084
01:17:01,279 --> 01:17:05,119
and we're going to respond bye by putting forces in

1085
01:17:05,199 --> 01:17:08,439
to make sure they're contained. But they haven't gone willy

1086
01:17:08,520 --> 01:17:11,039
nilly and put a chain gun on a group of people,

1087
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:16,239
which because that which exactly they shouldn't do. So so

1088
01:17:16,800 --> 01:17:21,000
go in support the deportation, round people up who are

1089
01:17:21,079 --> 01:17:24,720
who are rioting, and you know, I saw a great

1090
01:17:25,039 --> 01:17:28,960
Uh supposedly they've got some playing closed folks who are

1091
01:17:29,359 --> 01:17:36,159
identifying the leaders vanning those people away, and uh, that

1092
01:17:36,319 --> 01:17:39,960
takes time. It's not what you know. When I see

1093
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,880
the pictures and I get fired up, I'm like this

1094
01:17:42,000 --> 01:17:46,000
is the United States of America, you know. And and

1095
01:17:46,239 --> 01:17:49,079
what's really sad is there's a lot of Hispanics who've

1096
01:17:49,079 --> 01:17:52,680
been here multiple generations who are gonna get cropped, just

1097
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:55,880
like the Japanese in California during World War Two who

1098
01:17:55,880 --> 01:17:58,600
had been here for multiple generations, who are going to

1099
01:17:58,640 --> 01:18:04,159
get caught in this culture crossfire, which is sad. Who

1100
01:18:04,520 --> 01:18:07,960
I know because I know we own apartment complexes and

1101
01:18:08,359 --> 01:18:12,880
we've got some awesome this man, They're like, why are

1102
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:15,600
these people doing this? Because it's just going to come

1103
01:18:15,640 --> 01:18:18,239
down on me. And I love America. I don't want

1104
01:18:18,239 --> 01:18:21,359
any illegal immigration. I don't want any of this. So

1105
01:18:22,039 --> 01:18:26,000
that's I think they're they're they're they're acting with as

1106
01:18:26,039 --> 01:18:28,520
much wisdom as can be expected right now, even though

1107
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:31,760
it's frustrating for those of us who would like a

1108
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:36,800
quick reprisal so to speak. So far, I think they're

1109
01:18:36,840 --> 01:18:38,680
doing a pretty good job. What do you think they

1110
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,000
could do? Do you think they could do anything different

1111
01:18:41,079 --> 01:18:42,279
right now for us? No?

1112
01:18:42,399 --> 01:18:46,199
Speaker 4: I think other than sort of these guys try to

1113
01:18:46,279 --> 01:18:52,159
break down their own protests into stages or into zones

1114
01:18:52,199 --> 01:18:55,640
and areas where one of them is violent, one of

1115
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:59,319
them is just shutting down roads and causing disruption, and

1116
01:18:59,359 --> 01:19:07,279
one of them is, unfortunately, because a big part of

1117
01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:11,479
the Latino community must be kept on side, because they

1118
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:16,239
haven't done anything wrong, firstly, and because that's generally a

1119
01:19:16,239 --> 01:19:20,119
good thing to do, the state must play by those

1120
01:19:20,239 --> 01:19:24,279
rules and sort of focus on the violent elements, focus

1121
01:19:24,359 --> 01:19:28,560
on the leaders, focus on the financiers. What I really

1122
01:19:28,600 --> 01:19:32,000
want to see is a concerted effort to follow the money,

1123
01:19:33,600 --> 01:19:37,800
to say that this guy bought one hundred shields and

1124
01:19:37,920 --> 01:19:41,720
dropped them at a protest site, and he's being arrested

1125
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:48,319
for that, and he's being interrogated to identify where he

1126
01:19:48,399 --> 01:19:50,720
got the money to buy them, Given that he's probably

1127
01:19:50,800 --> 01:19:53,319
a bum or a student or something.

1128
01:19:53,039 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 3: Like that, who's the cutout exactly?

1129
01:19:57,560 --> 01:20:01,199
Speaker 4: So I want to see that step happening. But that's

1130
01:20:01,239 --> 01:20:03,720
also something that is difficult, that takes time, and it

1131
01:20:03,840 --> 01:20:10,880
requires very good interrogation techniques in order to cross reference

1132
01:20:10,920 --> 01:20:13,319
stories from different actors that have been picked up doing this.

1133
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:17,399
I want to see a focus on the logistics of

1134
01:20:17,399 --> 01:20:23,319
the protesters, who's providing them with what, and where is

1135
01:20:23,319 --> 01:20:26,920
it coming from. The issue is that, given the nature

1136
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:31,600
of the urban sprawl in most of America, it's very

1137
01:20:31,640 --> 01:20:36,640
hard to do this and to properly lock up areas. Here,

1138
01:20:36,760 --> 01:20:41,000
the police follow the kettling tactic. They place the protesters

1139
01:20:41,039 --> 01:20:43,479
in a narrow area, and they just keep on tightening it,

1140
01:20:45,720 --> 01:20:49,199
and then when they force them out, they do the arrests.

1141
01:20:51,840 --> 01:20:57,960
America's urban geography makes this a little bit harder. I'm

1142
01:20:58,039 --> 01:21:01,199
really worried about a scenario. In the Lebanese Civil War

1143
01:21:01,239 --> 01:21:04,640
and in the Syrian Civil War, there were many times

1144
01:21:04,680 --> 01:21:08,159
where there were talks and then nobody knew who started

1145
01:21:08,199 --> 01:21:15,119
firing and who was doing the shooting. If you had

1146
01:21:15,119 --> 01:21:16,960
a side, you would say it was the other side.

1147
01:21:17,039 --> 01:21:20,960
But if you were neutral, you'd say, I have no idea.

1148
01:21:23,279 --> 01:21:26,920
I worry about this. I very much worry about this,

1149
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:33,159
about this kind of dynamic where you start seeing unattribut

1150
01:21:33,920 --> 01:21:40,399
unattributable acts of violence that trigger a wider escalation. And

1151
01:21:40,479 --> 01:21:44,199
I'm worried that the Democrats are planning to increase the

1152
01:21:44,399 --> 01:21:49,159
volume of the protests and their dispersal so that the

1153
01:21:49,199 --> 01:21:55,600
state wouldn't have enough troops to throw at anyone problem.

1154
01:21:55,640 --> 01:21:58,640
I'm concerned that they're using this tactic with the explicit

1155
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:04,479
intent overstretching the state and creating the impression that there's

1156
01:22:04,520 --> 01:22:10,800
a wide insurrection and therefore inviting retribution that goes overboard,

1157
01:22:11,760 --> 01:22:13,960
and that flips the media narrative in their favor.

1158
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:15,520
Speaker 3: Mm hmmm.

1159
01:22:15,800 --> 01:22:21,039
Speaker 4: I do worry about these things. But I'm curious about

1160
01:22:21,039 --> 01:22:23,640
what you've heard about cartel money.

1161
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:30,199
Speaker 3: I just being I've heard the say, you know, saw

1162
01:22:30,239 --> 01:22:33,079
the same things you did about the Mexican president when

1163
01:22:33,119 --> 01:22:38,359
she was a mayor in you know, I travel not extensively,

1164
01:22:38,439 --> 01:22:43,840
but a fair amount in Mexico. I absolutely adore the Yukatan,

1165
01:22:44,279 --> 01:22:47,640
love the people. Uh it's a little far afield, but

1166
01:22:47,840 --> 01:22:51,199
but but there were these concerns even among the people

1167
01:22:51,239 --> 01:22:55,000
of a lot of people sure disappearing, you know, while

1168
01:22:55,039 --> 01:23:02,199
she was mayor. And that's uh. And then uh, you

1169
01:23:02,239 --> 01:23:07,840
know when there have been the h the Air Force,

1170
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:16,439
UH intelligence gathering, the r c oh I'm forgetting the

1171
01:23:16,760 --> 01:23:22,880
has been doing the uh international uh uh international run

1172
01:23:23,199 --> 01:23:30,720
up the Sea of Cortes uh and UH. That usually

1173
01:23:30,920 --> 01:23:37,039
means that there's paramilitary cartel activity going on in northern

1174
01:23:37,199 --> 01:23:41,760
Mexico as they're trying to get the radio traffic. And

1175
01:23:41,800 --> 01:23:46,520
that's been very active since Trump took over. So all

1176
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:51,199
these things just point to me to to cartel activity

1177
01:23:51,279 --> 01:23:58,079
being subversive uh in in that trans border area. Both sides.

1178
01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:02,840
Speaker 4: So that's all have a huge interest in this, and

1179
01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:06,479
there is every precedent for narketerrism, and they have a

1180
01:24:06,600 --> 01:24:09,640
huge interest in disrupting Trump as much as possible because

1181
01:24:09,640 --> 01:24:11,439
the last thing that they want is a secure border.

1182
01:24:12,640 --> 01:24:16,079
Speaker 3: Of course, of course, so this is amazing, well they do.

1183
01:24:16,800 --> 01:24:18,920
They don't want a secure border, and they don't want

1184
01:24:19,479 --> 01:24:24,640
they don't want a situation where mules aren't easily tracked.

1185
01:24:26,119 --> 01:24:29,920
Speaker 1: The president of Mexico Senate who I think he was

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Secretary of State last year and traveled to the United

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States to campaign against Trump. He said two days ago

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that you know, if this continues, if you want to

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wage a war on Mexico, we're going to take back

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to eighteen thirty borders. This is just escalation. I mean,

1191
01:24:48,520 --> 01:24:53,359
this is they have no chance of doing that. So

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the only reason they're they're doing that is to me,

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01:24:56,359 --> 01:24:59,159
that's a signal to people within this country, to certain

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01:24:59,199 --> 01:25:02,199
elements within the country to keep you know, to go

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01:25:02,520 --> 01:25:05,239
to I mean, it's almost like, I think it's almost

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01:25:05,319 --> 01:25:09,239
like a trigger because we know that we know this

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01:25:09,399 --> 01:25:16,039
cartel influence in this country I mean wide influence and.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, my political influence. It's just stupid. Don't to do it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no other reason to do this, you know.

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01:25:23,840 --> 01:25:27,680
And then you know, let's let's remember something else. If

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01:25:28,119 --> 01:25:30,920
people need to follow Mike Shelby on Twitter, it's gray

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01:25:31,039 --> 01:25:35,920
zone at Grayzone Intel with an A. He follows all

1203
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:40,479
of this. He he follows the left, like the indivisibles,

1204
01:25:40,560 --> 01:25:43,239
all these groups. He follows them and tells you exactly

1205
01:25:43,239 --> 01:25:46,600
what they're planning. He reminds us that Trump has said

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01:25:46,600 --> 01:25:50,000
that this operation in la Is thirty days, is planned

1207
01:25:50,039 --> 01:25:53,720
for thirty days. Right, so we haven't even seen this start.

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01:25:54,640 --> 01:25:58,880
Either this is going to fizzle out or it's going

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01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:04,760
to get it's going to escalate, and I don't it's

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01:26:04,800 --> 01:26:09,039
the summer months, it's June. I don't see this fizzling out.

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Speaker 4: I'm betting on escalation. And yeah, and maybe Ron you

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01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:18,039
can sort of help educate us on this. When does

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this start affecting financial markets?

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01:26:22,520 --> 01:26:24,359
Speaker 3: Well, I mean I think it. I think it.

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01:26:26,000 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: Well, Oil's oil has been oil has been going up

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01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:29,560
the past two days.

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I think it affects financial markets. If

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01:26:35,079 --> 01:26:41,800
you see a contagion outside of California, right, Uh, or

1219
01:26:42,560 --> 01:26:46,520
a contagion that begins to impact. I mean, let's let's

1220
01:26:46,560 --> 01:26:50,039
just be uh where where do the where does the

1221
01:26:50,079 --> 01:26:53,319
financial set like to vacation? You know, this gets down

1222
01:26:53,359 --> 01:26:59,600
into deep Orange County lagoona Uh, this this starts impacting

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01:27:00,039 --> 01:27:05,359
where they're in San Diego. Uh. Then then the visibility

1224
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,039
I mean, not to be brazen, but a lot of

1225
01:27:08,079 --> 01:27:11,600
the financial community is like La County is a disaster anyway,

1226
01:27:11,640 --> 01:27:16,000
it just burned up, you know. Uh, now they've got riots.

1227
01:27:16,039 --> 01:27:19,359
I mean I think they discount a lot of it. Yeah,

1228
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,880
but if you begin to see a the true suburbs,

1229
01:27:23,960 --> 01:27:26,520
not the urban area, unable for people to go to

1230
01:27:27,199 --> 01:27:32,600
Costco to home depot to Low's, you begin to see

1231
01:27:33,199 --> 01:27:37,880
a home you know, you've already got the highest home

1232
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:40,640
inventories in La County that you've had in a long time.

1233
01:27:41,159 --> 01:27:43,920
But but those really start to fall off to where

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01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:47,399
the broker the not the brokerage, but the mortgage companies

1235
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:51,920
begin to see pain because nobody's wanted to buy anything.

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Uh now you've got Now it begins or you see, uh,

1237
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for instance, the police and the city handled there was

1238
01:28:04,359 --> 01:28:08,520
announced protest on the Margaret Hunt Hill bridge here in

1239
01:28:08,600 --> 01:28:13,000
Dallas last night and the police were out in force

1240
01:28:13,079 --> 01:28:15,720
and they said, this is an unlawful this is an

1241
01:28:15,800 --> 01:28:20,760
unlawful assembly, and they started rounding people. They were ready,

1242
01:28:21,239 --> 01:28:24,920
and it just went away. So it didn't just go away,

1243
01:28:24,960 --> 01:28:28,000
but but it was. It didn't become this big thing.

1244
01:28:29,319 --> 01:28:32,239
But you see a successful protest that shuts down in

1245
01:28:32,359 --> 01:28:36,359
a you know, an urban center outside of California, then

1246
01:28:36,520 --> 01:28:38,920
I think you have a chance for the financial markets

1247
01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:45,840
too to uh be impacted. Or you see the cartel

1248
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:52,119
something that's in our obvious cartel move across across the border,

1249
01:28:52,800 --> 01:28:56,359
you know, in southern San Diego, or they make a

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move uh into Del Rio or are one of the

1251
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:08,319
big plazas as they call them, then then you know,

1252
01:29:08,560 --> 01:29:11,479
I don't think that's gonna happen. I really don't. I

1253
01:29:11,479 --> 01:29:15,600
think you're gonna see more uh Uh. The cartels have

1254
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:18,640
gotten very good at their intelligence, you know, the operation

1255
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side of their intelligence. They they act with great uh sophistication.

1256
01:29:26,279 --> 01:29:30,199
You know, the Mexico has a non existent air force

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and not a very good army. Their navy is actually decent.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: People don't realize that the sailing ship fiasco in in

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01:29:39,479 --> 01:29:43,760
in New York notwithstanding, uh, they have that because they

1261
01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:47,199
actually put money in and effort into their navy. They

1262
01:29:47,199 --> 01:29:49,680
have the third largest navy in our hemisphere. People don't

1263
01:29:49,680 --> 01:29:55,720
realize that. Uh So, so where the cartels, you know, uh,

1264
01:29:56,199 --> 01:30:02,239
really do have. The cartels have a have a presence

1265
01:30:02,359 --> 01:30:05,760
on the ground in kind of a paramilitary and and

1266
01:30:05,800 --> 01:30:10,760
then an operational intelligence that is that that is operational

1267
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:15,079
into the United States. And that's very very hard to

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01:30:15,439 --> 01:30:21,199
combat unless you do what Russia is doing in in

1269
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:25,479
the Russian touching piece of you know, the part of

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01:30:25,600 --> 01:30:29,520
Ukraine that that is that that touches Russia. That's the

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01:30:29,520 --> 01:30:32,039
only way you wipe you know, you're going to wipe

1272
01:30:32,079 --> 01:30:34,920
that out is if you basically make a neutral zone.

1273
01:30:35,159 --> 01:30:39,600
And uh, something drastic would have to happen for us

1274
01:30:39,640 --> 01:30:42,319
to actually do that other than just fortify the border.

1275
01:30:42,319 --> 01:30:44,520
But the border, as long as you've got border crossing,

1276
01:30:45,079 --> 01:30:48,399
it's going to be tough to to to to do

1277
01:30:48,600 --> 01:30:52,439
much about this. What I so, what I.

1278
01:30:52,479 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 4: Worry about is the Chinese deciding that they're going to

1279
01:30:56,920 --> 01:31:03,239
provide the right kind of drones insufficient volume to the cartels,

1280
01:31:03,319 --> 01:31:06,920
which can easily have org these kinds of drones.

1281
01:31:08,239 --> 01:31:11,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, for the Iranians.

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01:31:11,119 --> 01:31:16,000
Speaker 4: Anti tank weapons. Uh, that kind of equipment that then

1283
01:31:16,279 --> 01:31:19,600
gets used in an insurgency. Because I don't think of

1284
01:31:19,640 --> 01:31:22,279
the cartels as criminal gangs. I think about them as

1285
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insurgent groups.

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01:31:24,239 --> 01:31:27,560
Speaker 3: Well, they're they they are the they are the acting

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01:31:27,600 --> 01:31:36,399
government in northern Mexico save save uh uh uh uh,

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you know, save a couple of urban areas. They they

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Mexico is a very unless you are on the level

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01:31:44,680 --> 01:31:49,920
of sophistication of a United States or Israel or or

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01:31:50,119 --> 01:31:55,279
very very first world country, Mexico's geography is just makes

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01:31:55,319 --> 01:32:01,560
for very difficult dispersed government governance. Yes, it's it's mountainous

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01:32:01,680 --> 01:32:08,199
and desert and it's it is very much set up

1294
01:32:08,239 --> 01:32:11,720
for a federal system, which in theory that's what they have.

1295
01:32:11,840 --> 01:32:15,159
What they have in reality is uh. Central Mexico is

1296
01:32:15,199 --> 01:32:17,800
governed by Mexico City. Northern Mexico is governed by the

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01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:24,399
cartels with you know, negotiated settlements via you know, money

1298
01:32:24,479 --> 01:32:29,239
changing hands, and then uh and and then and then

1299
01:32:29,439 --> 01:32:35,640
Southern Mexico a a weird hybrid with a lot of

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01:32:35,680 --> 01:32:41,600
leftist gorilla groups. And so to think of Mexico as

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01:32:41,640 --> 01:32:47,399
this monolithic uh state being run from Mexico City is

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01:32:47,560 --> 01:32:50,720
just not the way it is on the ground. And

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01:32:50,800 --> 01:32:53,319
so and that's a real problem. I mean, but we've

1304
01:32:53,359 --> 01:32:56,600
allowed it. We've allowed it. We've it's our money that

1305
01:32:56,680 --> 01:33:01,520
finances that. It's it's it's our turning the other way,

1306
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,960
you know. Uh, we allowed what amounted to a communist

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01:33:05,039 --> 01:33:08,600
revolution in the early part of the last century. Uh.

1308
01:33:08,880 --> 01:33:12,960
And that ran out the church, that that basically sub

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01:33:13,199 --> 01:33:17,079
subdued the Catholic Church. There's still a Catholic Church presence there,

1310
01:33:17,079 --> 01:33:20,960
but it is not the centralized governing presence that you

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01:33:21,640 --> 01:33:27,000
that that you saw prior to the Mexican Revolution. And

1312
01:33:27,039 --> 01:33:31,079
we look the other way because the will, the Wilsonian

1313
01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,439
idea was, you know, let them kind of do their thing,

1314
01:33:35,039 --> 01:33:38,640
and it was so so we're we're we are harvesting

1315
01:33:38,720 --> 01:33:43,600
the fruit that we sowed a long time ago. It

1316
01:33:43,720 --> 01:33:46,920
should be I'm not arguing that it should be a

1317
01:33:46,920 --> 01:33:50,119
satrapie or a vassal state, but it absolutely should be

1318
01:33:50,159 --> 01:33:51,079
a client state.

1319
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:52,680
Speaker 4: And uh.

1320
01:33:53,079 --> 01:33:57,960
Speaker 3: And it's not the fact that Cuba and and and

1321
01:33:58,319 --> 01:34:02,760
Mexico I will get into the Canadian thing. That's a

1322
01:34:02,840 --> 01:34:11,840
different thing that has traditionally been a European state. But Cuba, Cuba, Honduras,

1323
01:34:12,439 --> 01:34:16,760
and Mexico. For them to be allowed to exist as

1324
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:20,399
they have for the past fifty sixty years is a

1325
01:34:20,479 --> 01:34:26,720
complete and utter failure of American projective of Monroe doctrine.

1326
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:31,039
So that's my opinion. Love to hear what your thoughts are.

1327
01:34:32,319 --> 01:34:34,359
Speaker 4: My only thought about this is that when I think

1328
01:34:34,399 --> 01:34:37,560
about the demographic change in the United States and the

1329
01:34:37,760 --> 01:34:43,119
number of Hispanics who are now in the United States,

1330
01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:49,239
with the issue of remigration or whatever you want to

1331
01:34:49,279 --> 01:34:52,399
call it coming to the fore, with the issue of

1332
01:34:52,439 --> 01:34:56,920
mass deportations coming to the four this is a territory

1333
01:34:56,960 --> 01:35:01,920
that's ripe for insurgency. This is a territory including big

1334
01:35:02,039 --> 01:35:05,000
chunks of southern California, including big urban areas in the

1335
01:35:05,079 --> 01:35:11,159
United States. These are areas where a combination of left

1336
01:35:11,159 --> 01:35:17,199
wing agitation and criminality can seriously disrupt and destabilize the States.

1337
01:35:19,520 --> 01:35:25,039
And if I was the cartels and my precursors for

1338
01:35:25,159 --> 01:35:29,399
Fentannel are all coming from China, and China is willing

1339
01:35:29,439 --> 01:35:34,119
to sell me weapons and there is this increased escalation

1340
01:35:34,359 --> 01:35:38,640
in their relationship between China and the United States. What

1341
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,279
I would work for over the next four years is

1342
01:35:41,359 --> 01:35:46,760
the full destabilization of the US to help China consolidate

1343
01:35:46,800 --> 01:35:51,119
over its own sphere of influence in Asia while keeping

1344
01:35:51,159 --> 01:35:55,279
the United States on the back foot. And you therefore

1345
01:35:55,399 --> 01:35:58,600
end up in a season of madness and extreme instability

1346
01:35:59,399 --> 01:36:05,640
where these just agitators build on an existing ethnic grievance

1347
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:11,720
from the Latino community in order to create an insurgency

1348
01:36:11,840 --> 01:36:16,239
that empowers the cartels who are the new barons of

1349
01:36:16,279 --> 01:36:19,760
Mexico at the end of the day, right, the aristocracy

1350
01:36:19,800 --> 01:36:21,319
of Mexico, if you want to think about it in

1351
01:36:21,319 --> 01:36:23,000
this way, this is the oligarchy of Mexico.

1352
01:36:23,640 --> 01:36:26,359
Speaker 3: It's the oligarchy. This is and and and we've seen

1353
01:36:26,399 --> 01:36:30,760
an example of this play out. We saw when think

1354
01:36:30,800 --> 01:36:37,520
about it this way, the CIA's support of the Chechens

1355
01:36:37,560 --> 01:36:42,720
in Southern Russia is exact is, although the Chechens didn't

1356
01:36:42,840 --> 01:36:49,039
have the the complete they didn't have the oligarchical if

1357
01:36:49,079 --> 01:36:51,600
we're going to call it that support, they did have

1358
01:36:51,640 --> 01:36:56,000
some Muslim money, some Arab money coming in, they absolutely did,

1359
01:36:56,079 --> 01:37:01,399
and they had CIA paramilitary support, some suggest as much

1360
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:05,199
as there were even advisors on the ground there, uh uh,

1361
01:37:06,039 --> 01:37:09,359
through cutouts. Again, we didn't have uniform people there obviously

1362
01:37:09,399 --> 01:37:13,520
that's Russian territory. But we absolutely were supporting the Chechens,

1363
01:37:13,840 --> 01:37:18,199
the Chechens who remember killed how many children were killed

1364
01:37:18,199 --> 01:37:24,960
in that school? Uh yeah, So I think this is

1365
01:37:25,000 --> 01:37:30,760
a it's not an exactly coherent, uh analogy, but it

1366
01:37:30,880 --> 01:37:35,399
is it is an analog uh to to to that.

1367
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:38,479
And we could see the we could see the cartels

1368
01:37:38,800 --> 01:37:43,279
borrowing from that playbook absolutely because remember remember back when

1369
01:37:43,520 --> 01:37:47,399
Los Zetas was powerful, it was they were trained by

1370
01:37:47,399 --> 01:37:49,640
this that they came to power because they were trained

1371
01:37:49,640 --> 01:37:54,079
by the operational uh the operations director of the CIA.

1372
01:37:54,279 --> 01:37:57,159
That's where they got their equipment, their training. And there's

1373
01:37:57,199 --> 01:38:02,920
still uh uh, there's still ah, that's the Zeta's morphed

1374
01:38:02,920 --> 01:38:07,000
into a couple of different cartels. But that the leadership,

1375
01:38:07,079 --> 01:38:11,840
now it's been enough time to where that playbook is

1376
01:38:11,840 --> 01:38:15,600
is is absolutely there.

1377
01:38:16,239 --> 01:38:22,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my big concern because you have you have

1378
01:38:22,640 --> 01:38:26,039
an economic time bomb and Trump is right about and

1379
01:38:26,319 --> 01:38:28,760
Musk is right about this, that this is an economic

1380
01:38:28,800 --> 01:38:31,479
time bomb. You have a debate within the right should

1381
01:38:31,520 --> 01:38:37,359
the cultural issue and the broader agenda supersede the economic agenda,

1382
01:38:37,520 --> 01:38:42,079
And that debate has been one thanks to the riots

1383
01:38:42,079 --> 01:38:46,439
that we're seeing you have the Democrats understanding that if

1384
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:51,840
Trump is successful, the result of this would be a

1385
01:38:51,880 --> 01:38:54,840
reduction in their number of House seats and in their

1386
01:38:54,840 --> 01:38:59,960
allocations and the funding that they get. And they see

1387
01:39:00,119 --> 01:39:02,319
that they are fund that they've gone insane and are

1388
01:39:02,359 --> 01:39:07,720
extremely unpopular, and so to retain their power they must

1389
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:11,000
fight for it. And they have a cartel army willing

1390
01:39:11,039 --> 01:39:14,159
to fight for them. And they already have this sort

1391
01:39:14,199 --> 01:39:20,239
of ethnic alliance that that that that is agitating for it,

1392
01:39:21,119 --> 01:39:23,760
and the logical conclusion of it is going to be

1393
01:39:25,560 --> 01:39:29,159
this thing getting considerably worse. So I don't see it

1394
01:39:29,600 --> 01:39:35,600
fizzling out. I think they have all of the actors

1395
01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:41,399
that matter have an interest in this escalating. The question

1396
01:39:41,560 --> 01:39:45,039
is do they get some kind of popular cover through

1397
01:39:45,119 --> 01:39:49,760
protests that allows them to spread this across multiple cities.

1398
01:39:51,319 --> 01:39:53,800
If they do, I would see that as an extremely

1399
01:39:53,840 --> 01:39:56,319
negative indicator. I would see that as the start of

1400
01:39:56,319 --> 01:40:03,760
a civil war in the United States. I've been writing

1401
01:40:03,800 --> 01:40:06,079
about the possibility of a civil war in the US.

1402
01:40:06,359 --> 01:40:08,439
Some people call me crazy for even thinking about it,

1403
01:40:09,399 --> 01:40:17,239
But there is this broken national cohesion, broken national identity.

1404
01:40:18,399 --> 01:40:20,359
But at the same time, because so much of the

1405
01:40:20,439 --> 01:40:22,920
United States is still Christian there is a willingness to fight,

1406
01:40:24,840 --> 01:40:28,840
especially among the military and the special forces in the military,

1407
01:40:29,600 --> 01:40:35,760
who are predominantly white and who are increasingly Christian. So

1408
01:40:35,840 --> 01:40:42,399
this fight can expand quite significantly. And it has a

1409
01:40:42,520 --> 01:40:48,760
mirror image in Western Europe, with the Islamists, who are

1410
01:40:48,840 --> 01:40:54,520
in control of crime in Western Europe playing the same role,

1411
01:40:55,640 --> 01:40:59,239
with the Left playing the same exact role on both

1412
01:40:59,279 --> 01:41:04,319
sides of the Atlas Antique. This is why I'm saying

1413
01:41:04,359 --> 01:41:09,840
that we're moving from the sort of perma crisis, poly crisis,

1414
01:41:09,880 --> 01:41:12,520
whatever you want to call it, that's been on the

1415
01:41:12,560 --> 01:41:19,119
outskirts of the West, to something that is happening internally.

1416
01:41:21,239 --> 01:41:27,000
And that's the shift that I'm beginning to see. People

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have been writing about civil war in the United States

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for the better part of three or four decades, and

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01:41:35,079 --> 01:41:38,800
we don't know how it happens. It's not clear. These

1420
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:42,079
are the events that could lead to it. A street

1421
01:41:42,119 --> 01:41:46,680
protest movement that is mixed with criminal money, that is

1422
01:41:46,720 --> 01:41:52,239
mixed with foreign support, that plays on an existing ethnic grievance,

1423
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that leads to something potentially life changing.

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Speaker 2: Mm hm.

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Speaker 1: So you you invite, you invite foreign armies to take

1426
01:42:08,399 --> 01:42:11,600
this all the way back to immigration. We've invited foreign

1427
01:42:11,760 --> 01:42:16,560
armies into our countries, yes, and we don't understand that

1428
01:42:16,760 --> 01:42:22,479
unless that is taking care of quickly. I'm also someone

1429
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:25,479
who's been talking about civil war. I'm not talking about

1430
01:42:26,600 --> 01:42:29,560
the whole country fighting at once, but it's going to

1431
01:42:29,600 --> 01:42:33,520
be pockets of areas here and there. They've become uninhabitable

1432
01:42:33,560 --> 01:42:38,960
for long periods of time until until it stops. But

1433
01:42:39,119 --> 01:42:41,159
you know, the question is who wins and if you

1434
01:42:41,239 --> 01:42:45,159
have if it's foreign if it's foreigners who are doing

1435
01:42:45,840 --> 01:42:49,319
a great deal of this fighting, well, I mean, really,

1436
01:42:49,359 --> 01:42:52,520
who wins in the end? I mean you do when

1437
01:42:52,800 --> 01:42:55,800
when you see the president of the Senate of Mexico

1438
01:42:56,119 --> 01:42:58,520
putting up a map and you know, the eighteen thirty

1439
01:42:58,600 --> 01:43:05,520
map of Mexico. Well, we don't want to believe as Americans,

1440
01:43:05,880 --> 01:43:09,960
we don't want to believe that that's even possible. And

1441
01:43:10,079 --> 01:43:14,000
I think it's impossible. But if you let it get

1442
01:43:14,039 --> 01:43:17,159
too far, if they gain too much of a foothold

1443
01:43:17,479 --> 01:43:21,760
in one place, and then you have, I mean endless

1444
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:26,159
foreign money. Let's remember Time magazine back back in the

1445
01:43:26,199 --> 01:43:30,000
eighties had Pablo Escobar on their top ten list of

1446
01:43:30,399 --> 01:43:31,560
richest people in the world.

1447
01:43:32,159 --> 01:43:33,239
Speaker 2: There's a reason for that.

1448
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:36,199
Speaker 1: So how much money does how much money do the

1449
01:43:36,199 --> 01:43:40,600
cartels really have? And when I look at the President

1450
01:43:40,640 --> 01:43:44,760
of the Senate out there talking about this, I'm not thinking, Oh,

1451
01:43:44,840 --> 01:43:48,439
this is going to be the government of Mexico doing it. No,

1452
01:43:48,479 --> 01:43:50,720
it's going to be a paramilitary force is going to

1453
01:43:50,760 --> 01:43:56,840
try to do this. Well, I mean, come on, come on,

1454
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:01,680
and then take into it. Take into consideration. The same

1455
01:44:01,680 --> 01:44:05,520
thing could happen in England overnight if.

1456
01:44:05,399 --> 01:44:09,000
Speaker 4: You look at the unfortunately being from them. At least

1457
01:44:09,000 --> 01:44:12,880
I feel like a civil war expert. If you look

1458
01:44:12,880 --> 01:44:15,079
at the Lebanese Civil War. Some of the best parties

1459
01:44:15,119 --> 01:44:19,399
in Beirut happened during the civil War. Some of the

1460
01:44:19,439 --> 01:44:24,159
best ever New Year's parties happened during the war in Syria.

1461
01:44:24,279 --> 01:44:27,560
You could still go and have a drink in Damascus

1462
01:44:27,800 --> 01:44:30,079
up until it fell, and now you can have a

1463
01:44:30,119 --> 01:44:37,039
drink again. Incidentally, civil wars don't sort of explode everywhere

1464
01:44:37,079 --> 01:44:42,079
at once. It's a sort of slow moving fire that

1465
01:44:42,279 --> 01:44:45,800
jumps around from place to place, and there are some

1466
01:44:45,880 --> 01:44:48,039
realities on the ground and then you can't sort of

1467
01:44:48,319 --> 01:44:54,439
get past it. The thing that's enabling the cartels more

1468
01:44:54,479 --> 01:44:58,680
than anything is this spiritual crisis in America that is

1469
01:44:58,760 --> 01:45:05,000
leading so many people to rug addictions, and these addictions

1470
01:45:05,000 --> 01:45:11,920
are financing the enemies of civilization and decency. And now

1471
01:45:12,039 --> 01:45:16,359
these enemies have captured the Mexican State. The president of

1472
01:45:16,399 --> 01:45:21,199
the Mexican State is an ally of the cartels, and

1473
01:45:21,319 --> 01:45:25,560
they have a massive chip on their shoulder, and they

1474
01:45:25,640 --> 01:45:30,159
have a Russian ally and an Iranian ally and a

1475
01:45:30,239 --> 01:45:35,479
Chinese ally who are willing. We've seen Iran moving around

1476
01:45:35,560 --> 01:45:37,439
Latin America and all kinds of ways. There are even

1477
01:45:37,520 --> 01:45:40,880
stories about some of the families of Hesbelah fighters moving

1478
01:45:40,880 --> 01:45:47,359
to South America. And you have this tinder box brought

1479
01:45:47,439 --> 01:45:51,439
about by the idea that diversity is our strength. Just

1480
01:45:51,520 --> 01:45:54,039
talk to somebody from Lebanon for five minutes and I'll

1481
01:45:54,079 --> 01:46:00,399
explain to you why that's not true. And it's ready.

1482
01:46:00,640 --> 01:46:05,760
We're accelerating towards the crisis, and people don't understand the

1483
01:46:06,239 --> 01:46:10,439
practical impact of this, like having to check the radio

1484
01:46:10,479 --> 01:46:13,359
every morning before you leave your house to see if

1485
01:46:13,399 --> 01:46:18,359
there are checkpoints on your way to work, having to

1486
01:46:18,640 --> 01:46:22,600
constantly have stockpiles at home of everything that you might

1487
01:46:22,680 --> 01:46:24,600
need because you don't know when you're going to be

1488
01:46:24,640 --> 01:46:28,439
locked in for a couple of weeks trying to figure

1489
01:46:28,439 --> 01:46:33,439
out who will move into which neighbor's house if the

1490
01:46:33,439 --> 01:46:42,279
fighting comes close to your neighborhood. It isn't chaos everywhere

1491
01:46:42,279 --> 01:46:45,279
at once. It isn't everybody has at the same moment.

1492
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:50,640
Life continues, People continue to go to work, people continue

1493
01:46:50,680 --> 01:46:54,439
to make money, trade continues, all kinds of factories continue

1494
01:46:54,479 --> 01:46:57,920
to operate, etc. But then when the war comes to

1495
01:46:57,920 --> 01:47:02,079
your area, your factory gets looted and your house was suited,

1496
01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:08,560
And I'm worried about the scenario. One of the reasons

1497
01:47:08,600 --> 01:47:10,920
I left the US. I went and lived in the

1498
01:47:11,039 --> 01:47:14,199
US from twenty seventeen to twenty nineteen. One of the

1499
01:47:14,239 --> 01:47:19,359
reasons I left was a sense of foreboding, a sense

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01:47:19,399 --> 01:47:20,680
that this is going to blow.

1501
01:47:25,039 --> 01:47:26,880
Speaker 2: You know, let me let me interrupt you for a zec.

1502
01:47:27,239 --> 01:47:30,720
Speaker 1: I had an Indian gentleman on my show, Giant Bandari.

1503
01:47:30,760 --> 01:47:33,560
I don't know you guys know who he is. He

1504
01:47:33,920 --> 01:47:36,000
said when he moved to the US. The reason he

1505
01:47:36,079 --> 01:47:38,640
left was the same exact thing, he said, even why

1506
01:47:38,680 --> 01:47:41,159
he lived in Canada for a while. He said, he

1507
01:47:41,279 --> 01:47:44,319
left Canada he said, I don't think Americans can see

1508
01:47:44,319 --> 01:47:45,520
it like we can see it.

1509
01:47:45,399 --> 01:47:46,239
Speaker 2: From the outside.

1510
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:51,640
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I'm from a I'm from the most paranoid

1511
01:47:51,720 --> 01:47:54,079
minority in the Middle East, second only to the Jews

1512
01:47:54,119 --> 01:48:01,439
in our paranoia. Yeah, you know, I'm saying I'm not

1513
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:05,359
attacking anyone. I'm saying this is what keeps minorities alive

1514
01:48:05,479 --> 01:48:09,079
in a sea of hostile aliens. You know, it is

1515
01:48:09,119 --> 01:48:15,600
what it is. I felt it. It was absolutely safe

1516
01:48:15,600 --> 01:48:18,199
where I was. I was absolutely fine. Nobody ever threatened me,

1517
01:48:18,399 --> 01:48:22,600
nothing happened to sort of physically tell me this was

1518
01:48:22,640 --> 01:48:24,319
the case. But I was meeting with people and I

1519
01:48:24,399 --> 01:48:30,960
was talking to them, and this sheer hatred between different

1520
01:48:31,000 --> 01:48:35,239
groups in the US was truly striking. You felt it

1521
01:48:35,479 --> 01:48:40,000
physically when you went to a black area, like the

1522
01:48:40,039 --> 01:48:43,119
only places where I felt I should leave now was

1523
01:48:43,159 --> 01:48:45,680
when there were black when there was a big number

1524
01:48:45,720 --> 01:48:53,199
of black people around. But that's not only it. Even

1525
01:48:53,279 --> 01:48:56,119
when you talked to the most sophisticated people in DC,

1526
01:48:57,520 --> 01:49:02,600
you had a sense that they absolutely hated at least

1527
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:12,640
half of the country, and that always translates into something physical.

1528
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:16,920
In Syria, a couple of years before the war, the

1529
01:49:17,079 --> 01:49:24,039
level of sectarianism that people had in any private conversation

1530
01:49:25,199 --> 01:49:32,640
was just insane, just absolutely insane. And I had the

1531
01:49:32,720 --> 01:49:38,479
same sense in the US.

1532
01:49:39,680 --> 01:49:42,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think people are getting even people who are

1533
01:49:44,640 --> 01:49:52,680
reasonable and well educated and generally patient or getting pretty again,

1534
01:49:53,199 --> 01:49:58,039
you start some of the images you're seeing do do

1535
01:49:58,199 --> 01:50:04,800
things to people, right, h and uh very well say that.

1536
01:50:04,079 --> 01:50:07,479
Speaker 4: Only side will govern. Sorry, sorry to interrupt you. Now

1537
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:12,359
you just show that only one side will govern and

1538
01:50:12,399 --> 01:50:16,560
that the two sides won't coexist. That's right, that's what

1539
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:16,880
these are.

1540
01:50:17,000 --> 01:50:24,039
Speaker 3: And yeah, and you there comes a point where not

1541
01:50:24,239 --> 01:50:29,319
that it's some strategic, uh, well thought out deal, it's

1542
01:50:29,359 --> 01:50:34,800
just some enough people say I've had enough. Yeah, and

1543
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:38,920
uh it boils over, yes, you know, and it it

1544
01:50:39,119 --> 01:50:43,960
and and this is true of people across cultures and

1545
01:50:44,159 --> 01:50:47,479
throughout world. It's just a point to where okay, we've

1546
01:50:47,479 --> 01:50:53,239
had enough, and I uh what is interesting is that uh,

1547
01:50:55,319 --> 01:51:01,199
conflict tends to unite and for good or ill. Uh.

1548
01:51:01,479 --> 01:51:05,039
You know this kind of the neocon im and I

1549
01:51:05,079 --> 01:51:08,760
am the farthest thing from a Neocon, but part of

1550
01:51:08,840 --> 01:51:14,680
their there, you know, the the East Coast Strassian so

1551
01:51:14,760 --> 01:51:19,479
to speak, idea of of being kind of functionally spartan.

1552
01:51:19,600 --> 01:51:23,600
That that that the reason that they're always in wanting

1553
01:51:23,640 --> 01:51:26,079
there to be some kind of war that you're involved

1554
01:51:26,119 --> 01:51:29,039
in at all times, and conquest is well, that's what

1555
01:51:29,279 --> 01:51:36,199
unites of people, right, that's I think very what's that?

1556
01:51:36,199 --> 01:51:39,000
Speaker 4: That sounds very right?

1557
01:51:39,159 --> 01:51:43,880
Speaker 1: Well, and it sounds like something ethnic, well in the

1558
01:51:43,920 --> 01:51:45,800
ethnic uh yeah.

1559
01:51:45,840 --> 01:51:48,760
Speaker 3: But and it's and it's certainly not what strauss are

1560
01:51:48,880 --> 01:51:51,319
argued for. I I laugh at the East Coasters, but

1561
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:58,039
uh but it's a it's the you you see that,

1562
01:51:58,399 --> 01:52:03,079
uh uh? Used as a anyway, we don't have to

1563
01:52:03,560 --> 01:52:05,640
that's a whole other topic for another day. And we're

1564
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:10,520
getting along on this episode. But but uh.

1565
01:52:11,039 --> 01:52:14,520
Speaker 2: Let's let's let's let's wrap it. Let's wrap it up. Then.

1566
01:52:15,319 --> 01:52:18,439
Speaker 1: I think this was a great talk, and I'm so

1567
01:52:18,600 --> 01:52:23,479
glad that we had a rational discussion about civil war

1568
01:52:23,560 --> 01:52:27,119
and how it happens and how it how it's I mean,

1569
01:52:27,279 --> 01:52:29,920
I think it's inevitable in this country. So I think

1570
01:52:30,039 --> 01:52:33,399
we just painted a picture of it that people people

1571
01:52:33,439 --> 01:52:33,800
can see.

1572
01:52:34,359 --> 01:52:34,920
Speaker 2: I do too.

1573
01:52:35,000 --> 01:52:38,680
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I don't want it. I'm here, I'm here,

1574
01:52:38,840 --> 01:52:42,600
I don't want it. Ron's in a city. I'm not Ron.

1575
01:52:44,279 --> 01:52:45,479
It'd be worse off for run.

1576
01:52:46,800 --> 01:52:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1577
01:52:48,000 --> 01:52:53,039
Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully yeah, I need to get on Zillow.

1578
01:52:55,640 --> 01:52:59,520
Speaker 2: We've talked about that before we started recording. It's a

1579
01:52:59,560 --> 01:53:03,239
good time, all right, all right, Ron, do your plugs.

1580
01:53:05,119 --> 01:53:13,000
Speaker 3: Uh, this is real. These are not plugs. This is uh.

1581
01:53:13,159 --> 01:53:16,600
You can find me at I've been writing for the

1582
01:53:16,880 --> 01:53:20,319
I've done a foreign policy a geopolitical series over at

1583
01:53:20,319 --> 01:53:25,439
the American Mind, part of Claremont. I write regularly for

1584
01:53:26,279 --> 01:53:30,000
American Reformer, and I am on Twitter every day, and

1585
01:53:30,000 --> 01:53:33,479
then I have a substack, the Eyes of Apilles at

1586
01:53:33,560 --> 01:53:38,039
uh ron ron Dodson at substack or however that goes

1587
01:53:38,119 --> 01:53:41,640
Ron Dodson dot substack dot com, and you can find

1588
01:53:42,000 --> 01:53:45,920
you know, easiest is on Twitter, and I am Ronald

1589
01:53:45,920 --> 01:53:47,560
Dodson on Twitter.

1590
01:53:48,960 --> 01:53:52,960
Speaker 4: For us. Yeah, you can find me on modad geopolitics

1591
01:53:53,000 --> 01:53:57,560
dot com and on modad g o P on Twitter.

1592
01:54:00,399 --> 01:54:04,239
Speaker 1: Until the next time, gentlemen, Yes, yes, very much, so

1593
01:54:05,000 --> 01:54:09,880
I have uh yeah, I have notifications turned on. But yes,

1594
01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:12,720
thank you, And until the next time, let's do this again,

1595
01:54:13,239 --> 01:54:16,560
you know, after a while. I'm sure, like I said,

1596
01:54:17,720 --> 01:54:20,399
apparently this thing is supposed to be going on in

1597
01:54:20,680 --> 01:54:23,520
LA for thirty days, so we have much we could

1598
01:54:23,560 --> 01:54:24,960
talk about in thirty days.

1599
01:54:26,800 --> 01:54:29,319
Speaker 4: Thanks Pete all right, thank you so much, Thank you

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