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<v Speaker 1>After the New Orleans attacks attack, there was this absurd

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<v Speaker 1>little moment of questioning where the FBI was. They had

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<v Speaker 1>a local agent, sort of the local field office person

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<v Speaker 1>in New Orleans who rushed to the microphone to try

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<v Speaker 1>to assert to everybody that this was not a terrorist attack,

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<v Speaker 1>which is which was an unbelievably baldly stupid thing to

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<v Speaker 1>have claimed at that point, and was made even more

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<v Speaker 1>insanely stupid the further we got away from it. Pretty

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<v Speaker 1>immediately they determined that the guy who drove his truck

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<v Speaker 1>into the crowd of people in New Orleans, which by

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<v Speaker 1>the way, is a repeated Islamic terrorist strategy that they've

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<v Speaker 1>done this same exact thing multiple times, where they take

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<v Speaker 1>a truck, they drive it into some super crowded gathering

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<v Speaker 1>of people, just like a month ago, an attack like

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<v Speaker 1>that happened in a German Christmas market. I guess we'll

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<v Speaker 1>take a wild guess about the racial, ethnic, whatever profile

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<v Speaker 1>of the person who did that attack. And yet, as

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<v Speaker 1>Annie McCarthy writes a National Review about this, he has

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<v Speaker 1>a very good piece about this. Basically, here's what he writes.

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<v Speaker 1>A top official in the New Orleans Field Office leading

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<v Speaker 1>the investigation so this is one of their geniuses we

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<v Speaker 1>have leading the investigation. The Assistant Special Agent in charge, ALTHEA.

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<v Speaker 1>Duncan could not get to a microphone fast enough to

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<v Speaker 1>state emphatically quote, this was not a terrorist attack, mind you.

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<v Speaker 1>Jabbar had just flown from the rear hitch of his

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<v Speaker 1>rented pickup truck. The black J Hottest flag of isis

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<v Speaker 1>made notorious by terrorist organizations and terrorist organizations that are

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<v Speaker 1>designated as such under the very laws that the FBI enforces.

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<v Speaker 1>He had just employed a classic, oft repeated g Hottest

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<v Speaker 1>tactic of driving a vehicle into a crowd gathered for

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<v Speaker 1>a public celebration offensive to fundamentalist Islam, in this instance,

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<v Speaker 1>an observance of the new year, the hallmark of time

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<v Speaker 1>measured from the birth of Jesus Christ, not the Hidra,

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<v Speaker 1>the Hidra, which is the way of measuring time from

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<v Speaker 1>the offh at Mohammad's migration from Mecca to Yathrib, which

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<v Speaker 1>happened in the year six twenty two. So they don't

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<v Speaker 1>like the Western New Year because it's like it's basically

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<v Speaker 1>designating time has centered around Jesus Christ rather than Muhammad.

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<v Speaker 1>In some Jabbar had just quote cast terror into the

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<v Speaker 1>hearts of the unbelievers, as the Quran instructs in Surah

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<v Speaker 1>three one fifty one, an injunction the fundamentalist Muslims take

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<v Speaker 1>literally and regard as immutable one that enables terrorism by

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<v Speaker 1>dehumanizing non believers in Sharia's supremacist eyes, because as verse

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<v Speaker 1>one fifty one continues, their abode will be the fire

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<v Speaker 1>and evil is the home of the wrong doers in

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<v Speaker 1>what realm? Again, This is Andy McCarthy writing at National Review,

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<v Speaker 1>and McCarthy was for those who don't know his background.

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<v Speaker 1>If you listen to John Jolready show long enough, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna read something by Andy McCarthy, who I think is great.

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<v Speaker 1>He was a federal prosecutor in the Southern District of

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<v Speaker 1>New York for many years and did a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>stuff with terrorism. He prosecuted the first World Trade Center bombers,

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<v Speaker 1>the guys who detonated actual bombs in the World Trade

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<v Speaker 1>Center in the early nineties, and as a result got

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of expertise in international terrorism and has been

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<v Speaker 1>a big critic of particularly Obama era policies and attitudes

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<v Speaker 1>towards international terrorism and the sort of willful PC blinders

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<v Speaker 1>that federal counter terrorism has taken with regards to well,

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<v Speaker 1>what is real is the role influence of Islam, the

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<v Speaker 1>nature of Islam within as a motivator of Islamic terrorism.

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<v Speaker 1>And that was one of the things he had a

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<v Speaker 1>problem with during the First World Trade Center bombing was

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<v Speaker 1>he was trying to show, oh, no, their religious ideology

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<v Speaker 1>is specifically what pushed what motivated these guys to do

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<v Speaker 1>this attack. And he was having some problems during that

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<v Speaker 1>First World Trade Center trial with getting some of that

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<v Speaker 1>evidence in on the grounds, well it's inappropriate to bring

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<v Speaker 1>in their religious background. He said, well, no, it's very

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<v Speaker 1>distinctly relevant here. So he writes about this fundamentalist Islam,

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<v Speaker 1>which is better described as sharia supremacism, is an authoritative

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<v Speaker 1>interpretation of Islam. It may not be the authoritative interpretation.

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic practice and belief is diverse, so the authoritative version

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<v Speaker 1>really doesn't exist. And this plays off a thing that

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<v Speaker 1>was a problem even in the Bush era, where Bush

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<v Speaker 1>was sort of saying, well, Islam is a religion of

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<v Speaker 1>peace and that this is a perversion of Islam, which

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<v Speaker 1>I always sort of thought like, is it are we

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<v Speaker 1>actually the right people to be judging what is and

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<v Speaker 1>is not authoritative Islam because a lot of aspects of

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<v Speaker 1>Islam that we would view as out of bounds that

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<v Speaker 1>most Americans with views out of bounds are accepted and

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<v Speaker 1>practiced by large swaths of the Middle Eastern world. And

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy's sort of making this point, fundamentalist Islam, Sharia premisism

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<v Speaker 1>whatever is undoubtedly an authoritative interpretation of Islam. It is

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<v Speaker 1>so dominant, So dominant is it in the Muslim Middle

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<v Speaker 1>East that it is accepted as authoritative even by Muslims who,

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<v Speaker 1>in their private thoughts and lives do not necessarily believe

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<v Speaker 1>or practice it. That is because it is an Islam

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<v Speaker 1>supported by more than a millennium of scholarship and championed

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<v Speaker 1>by some of the world's most influential Muslim nations such

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<v Speaker 1>as Qatar and Saudi Arabia, some of the world's most

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<v Speaker 1>prominent Muslim establishments such as Al Ajar University in Cairo,

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<v Speaker 1>organizations such as the Muslim Brotherhood and its global tentacles

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<v Speaker 1>and figures such as the late Shikh use of Karadawi

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<v Speaker 1>and Turkey strongman Receptayep Erduan, a key backer of the

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<v Speaker 1>Muslim Brotherhood, Hamas and Sunni Jihatis tied to such groups

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<v Speaker 1>as al Qaida and ISIS. Under this fundamentalist interpretation, it

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<v Speaker 1>is the duty of Muslims to spread Islam by implementing Sharia,

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<v Speaker 1>Allah's law and societal framework. This can be done in

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<v Speaker 1>many ways. One of those ways undeniably endorsed by scripture

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<v Speaker 1>is jihad or struggle in Allah's cause, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>spread of Islam. In its classic understanding, jihad is a

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<v Speaker 1>military struggle. Jihad is cons disidered defensive when Muslims deem

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<v Speaker 1>themselves under attack, in which case all Muslims are obliged

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<v Speaker 1>to support. The jihad under attack is in the eye

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<v Speaker 1>of the beholder. Sharia supremacists perceive Islam to be under attack,

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<v Speaker 1>for example, if a territory that was once under Muslim

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<v Speaker 1>rule falls under the control of non Muslims, or if

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<v Speaker 1>Muslims form an enclave in the West and the local

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<v Speaker 1>government interferes with their determination to live under Sharia's struct

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<v Speaker 1>strictures rather than the jurisdiction's laws, or if Muslims are

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<v Speaker 1>aggressors and the aggrieved people dare to fight back. Western

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<v Speaker 1>progressives because they tend to be hostile to religion in

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<v Speaker 1>general see religion as outdated superstition and can't fathom the

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<v Speaker 1>centrality of religion to others when it is avoid in

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<v Speaker 1>their own lives. They do not take Sharia supremacism seriously

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<v Speaker 1>as an ideology. For them, Muslims are just an oppressed

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<v Speaker 1>other resisting their oppressors and the white male Judaeo Christian

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<v Speaker 1>power structure. In this way of thinking, why Muslims themselves

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<v Speaker 1>may believe they must resist is beside the point. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the silly thing about the sort of bizarre alliance

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<v Speaker 1>between the modern left and the pro Palestine movement of

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East. The Hamas led anti Israeli movement in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East is based on all kinds of Sharia

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<v Speaker 1>inspired hatred of the Jews and this notion that basically

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<v Speaker 1>the Jewish state was created in nineteen forty eight on

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<v Speaker 1>land that Muslims had controlled, and therefore it's inherently wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It violates this Sharia supremacist view of the world, and

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<v Speaker 1>so all military violence, etc. Is justified to push them out.

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<v Speaker 1>Modern day liberals in America support this cause because they

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<v Speaker 1>somehow have it in their heads that the Israelis are

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<v Speaker 1>white and the Muslims are brown. And that this is

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<v Speaker 1>Western colonialism, and that that's what this struggle is, which

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't be absolutely nothing to do with what's going on.

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<v Speaker 1>Since progressives don't take religious beliefs seriously, McCarthy writes, they

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<v Speaker 1>regard religion as an abstraction that, though obsolescent, has certain universal,

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<v Speaker 1>well meaning attributes. In the case of Islam, the relevant

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<v Speaker 1>one is peace. People who study sharia supremacism forthrightly note

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<v Speaker 1>its propensity toward militant jihad when Muslims become a critical

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<v Speaker 1>mass of the population in a given place. Progressives reject this,

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<v Speaker 1>demagoguing it as Islamophobia, as if critical examination were the

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<v Speaker 1>equivalent of racism. Ergo the regnant syllogism. Religion is peace.

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<v Speaker 1>Islam is one of the world's great religions, with close

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<v Speaker 1>to two billion adherents. Therefore, is Islam is altogether now

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<v Speaker 1>a religion of peace? What to do about? What then,

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<v Speaker 1>do we do about fundamentalist Muslims and the inconvenience that

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<v Speaker 1>some of them routinely engage in violent attacks easy people

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<v Speaker 1>who claim religious justification for brutality are simply said to

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<v Speaker 1>be engaged in false religion. After all, true religion is

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<v Speaker 1>inherently peaceful. Indeed, to hear progressives describe the Islam of

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<v Speaker 1>their very own that they've fashioned, you'd think peace might

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<v Speaker 1>be Islam's only tenant. Consequently, another syllogism, religion is peaceful.

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<v Speaker 1>Al Qaeda and ISIS, among other jihadist groups, unabashedly claim

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<v Speaker 1>Islamic tenets as justification for committing violence. Therefore, al Qaida

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<v Speaker 1>and Isis represent false Islam. And this is the thing

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<v Speaker 1>I've always thought was stupid. Well, they're just al qaida Is.

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<v Speaker 1>This is a perversion of Islam, perversion of the one

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<v Speaker 1>of the world's great religions. Well, it's a version of

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<v Speaker 1>it that has a pretty long standing track record in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle East. Again, this rationalization is at war with reality,

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<v Speaker 1>McCarthy writes, in which there is an authentic Islam that

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<v Speaker 1>summons Muslims to wage jihad and Allah's cause and has

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<v Speaker 1>been doing so for centuries. But onreality is where the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI dwells. And don't blame the FBI for that. While

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<v Speaker 1>I have no doubt that asak Alathea, Duncan and other

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<v Speaker 1>agents recruited and promoted since the Obama era are perfectly

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<v Speaker 1>comfortable spouting the party line. It is the party line

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<v Speaker 1>imposed on the Bureau by its superiors. McCarthy continues, I

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<v Speaker 1>used to feel confident, saying that most agents doing actual

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<v Speaker 1>investigations don't buy into this nonsense. But fifteen years is

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<v Speaker 1>a long time enough to change in agency's culture, which

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<v Speaker 1>Obama undertook to do. Recall the purging of such terms

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<v Speaker 1>as jihad, the termination of instructors versed in Sharia supremacism,

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<v Speaker 1>and the instructions that agents should avoid noticing any nexus

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<v Speaker 1>between ideology and violence, a core principle in the transformation

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<v Speaker 1>of counter terrorism into what Obama fileds dubbed countering violent extremism.

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<v Speaker 1>So basically, what the upshot of all this is when

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<v Speaker 1>a terrorist. When an obvious Muslim terrorist attack happens, the

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<v Speaker 1>FBI starts from the premise that it is not terrorism

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<v Speaker 1>unless agents can establish a solid operational tie between the

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<v Speaker 1>Muslim who committed the attack and a group designated as

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<v Speaker 1>a foreign terrorist organization under federal law, such as Al

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<v Speaker 1>Qaeda or ISIS. The Bureau has no problem labeling such

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<v Speaker 1>an incident a terrorist attack because the government's official position

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<v Speaker 1>is that those groups are driven by false Islam i e.

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<v Speaker 1>Their claim to be faithful Muslims is deemed false. There's

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<v Speaker 1>no danger then that the FBI in the US government

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<v Speaker 1>will be perceived as linking terrorism to Islam because that's

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<v Speaker 1>a religion of peace, or so they tell themselves. Now

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<v Speaker 1>it also just sort of seems just my comment to

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<v Speaker 1>in here, the rush to say it's not terrorism when

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<v Speaker 1>what you of course it's terroristic. He he killed a

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<v Speaker 1>whole group of people in this bizarre fashion. You don't

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<v Speaker 1>do that if it's not terrorism. That that you can't

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<v Speaker 1>kill a large crowd of people celebrating at a party

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<v Speaker 1>without it being terrorism. That that's just what I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's like, I don't know, it's like beating up

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<v Speaker 1>your wife without unkindness. There's no way to beat up

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<v Speaker 1>your wife that isn't unkind Obviously it's terroristic, that the

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<v Speaker 1>fact of it happening is terroristic. I guess it's questionable

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<v Speaker 1>whether this guy had set up formal operational connections and

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<v Speaker 1>coordination with ISIS or al Qaeda, or some international terrorist

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<v Speaker 1>group designated as a terrorist group by our US government,

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<v Speaker 1>even though he was flying an ISIS flag at the time.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe it was was he inspired by or actually coordinating

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<v Speaker 1>with Probably at that very early stage when that special

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<v Speaker 1>Does the President still consider white supremacy the greatest terrorist

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<v Speaker 1>Some of you may recall, after January sixth, the Attorney

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<v Speaker 1>of America. White supremacist white supremacist terrorism, home grown white

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<v Speaker 1>January sixth of twenty twenty one was an example of this. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>All these bowing and scraping every time you bring up

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<v Speaker 2>January sixth, and God knows, I'm we have to do

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<v Speaker 2>it again. January six was bad. January six was a riot. Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I've said it over and over all undred million times.

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<v Speaker 2>January sixth was bad. January six was stupid. January six

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<v Speaker 2>should be prosecuted. People who committed nonviolent crimes I really

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<v Speaker 2>don't think need to be prosecuted. The idea that this

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<v Speaker 2>political retribution, the fact that people, some of whom were

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<v Speaker 2>just waved in, who committed crimes no worse than trespass.

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<v Speaker 2>Basically that the full resources of the federal government are

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<v Speaker 2>States who were there, happened to be there at January sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>happened to walk through the barrier at some point, are

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<v Speaker 2>being prosecuted. Look the guys who were punching police officers

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, arrest those guys. Prosecute those guys. Not Mema

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<v Speaker 1>who walked through at various points because people were waving

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<v Speaker 1>her through, someone who committed some trespass level crime. Absolutely not.

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<v Speaker 1>But after January sixth, white supremacist terrorism was deemed the

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<v Speaker 1>motivated by what you and I would think of as

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<v Speaker 1>white supremacy. It was just Trump supporters. It was Trump

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<v Speaker 1>supporters who thought the election had been stolen. Some of

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<v Speaker 1>them were black, probably not most of them, certainly not

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<v Speaker 1>as part of the January sixth prosecutions. So, but why

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<v Speaker 1>was the FBI able to cast this as white supremacy.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's because of the way in which academic

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<v Speaker 1>this far broader category. That basically they have expanded the

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<v Speaker 1>sort of policy prescriptions that liberals don't like, people who

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<v Speaker 1>the oppressive patriarchal norms, or I don't know, the basically

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<v Speaker 1>Now the question gets raised, is white supremacist terrorism really

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<v Speaker 1>the chief terrorist threat facing the country? Because last I checked,

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<v Speaker 1>there what white supremacist terrorism has actually happened in this

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<v Speaker 1>supremacist event, which I think is ridiculous, I'm sorry, I

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<v Speaker 1>haven't heard of any. Look, actual, honest to god, white

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<v Speaker 1>supremacism bad thing. Don't like it. If you know of

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<v Speaker 1>any white supremacist committing crimes, let's prosecute them, put them

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<v Speaker 1>in jail. I don't like neo Nazis. I don't like

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<v Speaker 1>non neo Nazis any all stripes of Nazis, Illinois Nazis.

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<v Speaker 1>I hate Illinois Nazis. If you've got some white supremacists

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<v Speaker 1>out there committing you know, driving pickup trucks and killing

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<v Speaker 1>ten people during parties in New Orleans, or planting bombs

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<v Speaker 1>around the French Quarter near the cathedral down there, if

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<v Speaker 1>you've got white supremacists doing that kind of stuff, please

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<v Speaker 1>let me know. I'll be first in line to say

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<v Speaker 1>that they need to be prosecuted. It's not happening. I

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<v Speaker 1>think there are other kinds of terrorism that are still

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<v Speaker 1>been pretty quiet the investigation into the terrorist attack in

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<v Speaker 1>that were found and safely detonated. Feels odd we haven't

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<v Speaker 1>heard more about all this anyway. When we return, a

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<v Speaker 1>Republican member of the House calls for the stupidest idea

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<v Speaker 1>I've heard in a while, mandating independent redistricting commissions in

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<v Speaker 1>every state. Next on the John Girardi Show, So I

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<v Speaker 1>saw a little little quickie news story. Republicans just desperate

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<v Speaker 1>to grasp defeat from the jaws of victory. Representative Brian Fitzpatrick,

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<v Speaker 1>mandate one of the dumber ideas I've ever heard. Or

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know, maybe I'm being too harsh, but and

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<v Speaker 1>let's talk it through. Representative Brian Fitzpatrick has introduced a

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<v Speaker 1>people who recommend independent redistricting commissions, it's people who get

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<v Speaker 1>real upset over jerrymandering. Jerrymandering is the practice where the

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<v Speaker 1>what is the the what are the boundary lines of

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<v Speaker 1>the congressional district you live in? How did those boundary

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<v Speaker 1>most of American history, it happens like this. Every ten

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<v Speaker 1>years in America, we have a census nineteen ninety two, ten,

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<v Speaker 1>Representatives in Congress. So, oh, okay, California's population jumped by

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<v Speaker 1>they get two more members of the House of Representatives. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>brings their total account of congressmen from forty eight to

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<v Speaker 1>jumped big time. They may move up from having only

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<v Speaker 1>what do you know? So every ten years, the census happens,

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<v Speaker 1>It thus changes the number of Electoral College votes that

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<v Speaker 1>Wyoming and Alaska each have three electoral College votes. California, though,

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<v Speaker 1>has I forget what it is. California has like something

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<v Speaker 1>Now you get apportioned all these House seats, Well, how

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<v Speaker 1>for state legislators, how do you draw their district lines? Well, again,

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<v Speaker 1>the state Senate. How do we draw their lines? Well, historically,

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<v Speaker 1>in most states is the state legislatures draw the lines.

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<v Speaker 1>the state legislature, and political parties being aggressive towards their

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<v Speaker 1>we call this process jerry mandering. The term came from

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<v Speaker 1>an eighteen twelve political cartoon. This was a state Senate election,

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<v Speaker 1>and the governor of Massachusetts at the time was this

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<v Speaker 1>guy named Elbridge Gary spelled g r ry, even though

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<v Speaker 1>And this political cartoon showed this one state Senate district

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<v Speaker 1>since that time, ever since that event, advantageously drawing weirdly shaped,

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<v Speaker 1>and basically, and then people took the term jerry mandering

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<v Speaker 1>Governor Rick Perry and some Texas electoral maps that were

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<v Speaker 1>as Look, this is governed by the political process. It's

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<v Speaker 1>that politicians would try to advantageously draw these districts. It

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<v Speaker 1>was put in the hands of the political process, political players,

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<v Speaker 1>It's sort of what I dislike are people who pretend

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<v Speaker 1>you can to lessen the power of an African American population.

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<v Speaker 1>So they did this in a number of ways. One

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<v Speaker 1>way would be to sort of split up this one

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<v Speaker 1>African American section, this one African American heavy region, almost

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<v Speaker 1>to divide it up into little individual pizza slices where

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<v Speaker 1>it's divided up as members of a bunch of different

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<v Speaker 1>congressional districts, and none of them do African Americans have

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<v Speaker 1>anything close to political power. Or another way to do

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<v Speaker 1>it is, if you have too many African Americans and

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<v Speaker 1>there's no way to stop them from having political power,

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<v Speaker 1>you just shove them all into one district so that

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<v Speaker 1>all the other districts don't lack any African American participation whatsoever.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can draw and in order to do either

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<v Speaker 1>of those two things, you can draw maps that are

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<v Speaker 1>are oddly shaped and that combine regions that don't have

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<v Speaker 1>any sort of natural ties to each other. So there

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<v Speaker 1>was kind of an ugly legacy of that, and some

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<v Speaker 1>of the federal voting Rights Acts and then state voting

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<v Speaker 1>rights acts, particularly California that were past, were designed to

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<v Speaker 1>stop that from happening, but have resulted in bizarre outcomes

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<v Speaker 1>here in California, where you know, Latinos are a historically

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<v Speaker 1>oppressed minority, where you can't do that too, even though

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<v Speaker 1>Latinos in a lot of regions of California, maybe California

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<v Speaker 1>in general are now basically the majority. And there's also

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<v Speaker 1>the problem of, well, the point of it's okay to

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<v Speaker 1>draw district lines in a way that's politically advantageous. The

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<v Speaker 1>problem is, well, what if that political advantage lines up

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<v Speaker 1>with racial demographics. African Americans tend to vote Democrat. So

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<v Speaker 1>if I draw a map that's intended just to favor Republicans,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not intended to be racist or any I'm just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to have my Republicans win. Is that against the law? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the interpretation by some courts has been that, yes, if

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<v Speaker 1>the outcome has the effect of disadvantaging a racial minority,

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<v Speaker 1>then therefore it violates the law, and that that is

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<v Speaker 1>certainly that's the interpretation, certainly in California. Now, with all

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<v Speaker 1>of this, the idea came about of why do we

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<v Speaker 1>let the political process play out here? Why do we

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<v Speaker 1>let political parties decide all of this? We should have

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<v Speaker 1>an independent redistricting commission. If we have an independent redistricting commission,

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<v Speaker 1>then it can put together district lines that are more

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<v Speaker 1>natural that makes sense, that won't do racially bigoted things,

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<v Speaker 1>and it'll put meaningful communities together without the motivation of politics.

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<v Speaker 1>So Honald I love this idea and pushed it through

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<v Speaker 1>a ballot initiative that, of course we it's California's pass

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<v Speaker 1>We passed the Independent Redistricting Commission. We also passed idiotically

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<v Speaker 1>the jungle primary. Schwarzenegger had this beautiful, brilliant vision of

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<v Speaker 1>a post political partisanship era for California politics, which have

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<v Speaker 1>just become more politically partisan than ever. Why well, because

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<v Speaker 1>the Independent Redistricting Commission just became Both the political parties noticed, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if we could get hard partisans for our party on

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<v Speaker 1>this independent redistricting Commission, we could draw the lines in

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<v Speaker 1>ways that are advantageous to us. So what happened. Both

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<v Speaker 1>parties rushed to get as many of their partisans as

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<v Speaker 1>humanly possible on the Independent Redistricting Commission, with predictable results.

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats got more, and the redistricting in California has been

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<v Speaker 1>predictably one sided. Democrats have drawn the lines in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that's really advantageous to them. Certainly that's their intent.

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<v Speaker 1>Remember what I said about, you know, hey, the example

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<v Speaker 1>of you take all of the African Americans and shove

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<v Speaker 1>them into one district so that none of the other

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<v Speaker 1>districts have their influence. Basically, Democrats have just done that

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<v Speaker 1>to Republicans here in the San Joaquin Valley. They take

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<v Speaker 1>every heavy Republican enclave in central California and they shoved

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<v Speaker 1>it into what was Kevin McCarthy's district is now Vince

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<v Speaker 1>Fong's district. Right, I tweeted out what Vince Fong's map

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<v Speaker 1>looks like. It kind of looks like the number three.

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<v Speaker 1>It's got the main body of it along the right

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<v Speaker 1>side is kind of very little population. Mostly it's just

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<v Speaker 1>the Sierra Nevadas. But then it's got three spurs that

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<v Speaker 1>come out. One is kind of Clovid, yes, the other

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<v Speaker 1>is Lamore for some reason, not Daanuba, not a bunch

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<v Speaker 1>of cities in between Lamore and Fresno, but Lamore. And

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<v Speaker 1>then a third spur goes around around the city of Bakersfield, basically,

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<v Speaker 1>I think all the more conservative rural parts of Kern County.

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<v Speaker 1>It's this bizarrely shaped thing that now it's the result

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<v Speaker 1>is I live in Clovis and my Member of Congress

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<v Speaker 1>is from Bakersfield. I like Vince Fog a lot, but

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<v Speaker 1>he is not from where I am. And of course,

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<v Speaker 1>what a natural grouping Clovis, Lamore, and the area around Bakersfield.

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<v Speaker 1>What do those three cities have in common? I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>not very much. I can tell you that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I guess we're all in the San Joaquin Valley, but

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<v Speaker 1>that certainly there's nothing about Lamore that I that I have.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, I don't know. I think I have at

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<v Speaker 1>least as much in common with Dai Nuba as I

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<v Speaker 1>have Lamore and Delano and Wasco. But those are all

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<v Speaker 1>cities that are no part of this district. And it's

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<v Speaker 1>all sort of specifically drawn so that Jim Costa can

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<v Speaker 1>have his Democrat majority area, Adam Gray will have his

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<v Speaker 1>Democrat majority area. David Valadeo keeps winning even though it's

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<v Speaker 1>a Democrat majority district that he keeps winning it anyway,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the same old nonsense, just under a different package.

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<v Speaker 1>When we return, Justin Trudeau stepping down as Canadian Prime

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<v Speaker 1>Minister my conspiracy theory I will never let go of.

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<v Speaker 1>Next on the John Gardi Show, Justin Trudeau announced he'll

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<v Speaker 1>be stepping down as Canadian Prime minister. And I just

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<v Speaker 1>want to let everyone know I don't like a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of conspiracy theories, but here's one I do hold on to.

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<v Speaker 1>Still kind of think Justin Trudeau is Fidel Castro's son.

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<v Speaker 1>If you haven't heard of this, just google Fidel Castro,

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<v Speaker 1>Justin Trudeau. There was some point where his mom and

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<v Speaker 1>had met Fidel Castro that there might have been some up.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people say there's no opportunity. He looks exactly like

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<v Speaker 1>a young Fidel Castro. It's insane. That'll do it. John

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<v Speaker 1>Jardy Show, See you next time on Power Talk
