Speaker 1: Oh that's are.
Speaker 2: Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult
Speaker 2: of Conspiracy, and my name is Jonathan, I'm Jacob and
Speaker 2: today we are finally. I cannot believe it took us
Speaker 2: this long. We are coming up on episode nine hundred,
Speaker 2: and we have not talked about the Phoenix lights. So
Speaker 2: today's the day, baby.
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, And I gotta be honest with you, man,
Speaker 3: I'm super excited. I have heard about them in passing
Speaker 3: four years. We've talked about doing an episode on them
Speaker 3: four forever. I've never really done much of a deep
Speaker 3: dive on it. All I know as of this moment,
Speaker 3: there was a situation where some unexplained lights are in
Speaker 3: the sky. They were witnessed by hundreds of people, and
Speaker 3: the only real remnants of it today is a placard
Speaker 3: that they have in Phoenix that talk about it.
Speaker 4: That's about it.
Speaker 3: But there's too many eyewitnesses to say that it's a
Speaker 3: hoax or a make believe or something like that. And
Speaker 3: it's still one of those unsolved phenomena that took place.
Speaker 3: No one of the eyewitness variety really has any answers
Speaker 3: for it. There's a lot of theories, So I am
Speaker 3: excited to learn more about the Phoenix Lights.
Speaker 2: So I want to give a shout out to this
Speaker 2: YouTube channel called so Weird with Patrick James. He made
Speaker 2: a documentary and put it out four months ago, and
Speaker 2: I after the live show last night, I went down
Speaker 2: a deep dive and I listened and I watched the
Speaker 2: documentary that he created with all of the the main
Speaker 2: eyewitness testimonies and stuff like that. Man, it is so
Speaker 2: convincing that this was actually alien. Bro, Like you listened
Speaker 2: to all the it is crazy. Yeah, And so that
Speaker 2: really started my deep dive into the Phoenix Lights and
Speaker 2: me digging up even more information on top of that.
Speaker 2: But just want to say anybody that it's that is
Speaker 2: extra interested in the Phoenix Lights, go check that one out.
Speaker 2: Big shout out to him. He did great work.
Speaker 3: Now when you say alien, are we talking about Hyah,
Speaker 3: there's lights for sure.
Speaker 4: But is this of the orb variety? Is these lights
Speaker 4: on a.
Speaker 3: Craft or multiple crafts? Are we talking interplanetary? Interdimensional? Is
Speaker 3: it still in that X factor where we really don't know?
Speaker 4: It could be both? Like where are we at?
Speaker 2: There are differing testimonies. Some say that it was balls
Speaker 2: of fire or b like things. Others say that it
Speaker 2: was actually no, it had to have been one one
Speaker 2: giant solid V shaped craft. And but they all check
Speaker 2: out because they all talk about the same exact date,
Speaker 2: going out at the same exact time, and their feeling of,
Speaker 2: you know, like what what was going on in their
Speaker 2: mind whenever they were, you know, in this situation that
Speaker 2: they were in, and it gets crazy.
Speaker 4: Dude.
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Speaker 2: That leads down the show notes below. Okay, now we
Speaker 2: are going to get started. This is where my deep
Speaker 2: dive starts. Okay. So it's a cool desert night in Arizona.
Speaker 2: Families are outside stargazing, are barbecuing, and kids are playing
Speaker 2: in the yard. Then it happens. An enormous V shaped
Speaker 2: formation of lights silently glides across the sky, blotting out
Speaker 2: the stars above. No sound, no sonic boom, just a colossal,
Speaker 2: unexplainable object drifting directly over their heads. Of thousands of witnesses,
Speaker 2: some swear they could feel it like a pressure in
Speaker 2: the air. Others describe awe, fear, even a spiritual connection.
Speaker 2: What would later be called the Phoenix Lights was one
Speaker 2: of the most witnessed UFO sightings in modern history. Yet
Speaker 2: to this day, the government insists it was nothing more
Speaker 2: than military flares, just military exercises. Nothing to see.
Speaker 3: Here, military flares. And you know, it's funny, you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm glad that that was brought up. Have you pulled
Speaker 3: up any videos of what military flares at night look like?
Speaker 2: No, Actually, that's a good idea.
Speaker 4: Okay, I'm gonna.
Speaker 3: Look that up, because when we get to videos and
Speaker 3: we start seeing pictures and images of what the is
Speaker 3: in the sky, I just want to see how it
Speaker 3: compares to where if that even remotely holds water.
Speaker 4: I have a weird.
Speaker 3: Feeling that it's gonna be a complete farce, but I
Speaker 3: will look into that.
Speaker 4: Continue.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's a ridiculous explanation, is really what it is? Sonny,
Speaker 2: How today we're diving into what really happened, Who tried
Speaker 2: to expose the truth, who tried to cover it up,
Speaker 2: and why almost thirty years later, the Phoenix Lights still
Speaker 2: haunt the desert sky. So I do want to make
Speaker 2: mention that there are actually two separate events in the
Speaker 2: same night. Okay, some have been able to explain away
Speaker 2: one of them, but the other one not so much.
Speaker 2: And you could even make an argument that they haven't
Speaker 2: really explained away either one of them. So we're gonna
Speaker 2: give you all the information and you decide. So the
Speaker 2: Phoenix lights weren't just one sighting. There were two distinct events.
Speaker 2: The first occurred anywhere between seven thirty and eight thirty
Speaker 2: pm Arizona time. I think it's just Arizona time, that's
Speaker 2: what they because their time never changes. They don't do
Speaker 2: daylight savings or anything like that over in Arizona.
Speaker 4: That's a relatively new thing, though, isn't it.
Speaker 2: I don't know when that started.
Speaker 4: I thought it was only a couple of years ago.
Speaker 3: But either way, like the current time you know of
Speaker 3: that time zone, that's that's what they're saying.
Speaker 2: So yeah, the first one, what happened between seven thirty
Speaker 2: and eight thirty pm. It was from what most people
Speaker 2: claim they saw was a massive V shaped craft that
Speaker 2: glided from Nevada through Arizona, seen by eyewitnesses over nearly
Speaker 2: three hundred miles, over three hundred miles occurred from the
Speaker 2: first person, that's all at in Nevada to the last person,
Speaker 2: that's all it in Arizona. Damn crazy, right, So that
Speaker 2: was from seven thirty to eight thirty. The second time
Speaker 2: was around ten pm, and this this description was a
Speaker 2: line of bright lights that appeared over the Estrella Mountains
Speaker 2: near Phoenix, later claimed to be air force flares, which
Speaker 2: is ridiculous. The government explanation only addresses the second one,
Speaker 2: that leaves the first the enormous craft shrouded in mystery.
Speaker 2: So it's like, why wouldn't you explain both of them?
Speaker 2: These things are happening damn near two hours two and
Speaker 2: a half hours apart from each other, and yet you
Speaker 2: only try to explain away one of them, which I
Speaker 2: thought was pretty interesting. So we have a couple of
Speaker 2: articles that I wanted to get to first, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go ahead and share the screen again. Come check us
Speaker 2: out on Patreon. You'll be able to see all this stuff.
Speaker 2: I'm going to get into some of the ridiculousness first
Speaker 2: and then get into the actual truth potentially.
Speaker 4: I'm just curious, was this a cloudy night or was
Speaker 4: it a clear night?
Speaker 2: From videos I seen, it was a pretty clear night.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: Second question, do the lights in the sky have trails
Speaker 3: behind them?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: All right, I want everybody to keep that in mind
Speaker 3: whenever I show an image of aeronautic flare hearing a bit.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen the images of the Phoenix lights yet,
Speaker 3: but let's just say that it's there's no comparing this
Speaker 3: to that.
Speaker 2: But anyway, let's go right right, you know what, that
Speaker 2: would be a good idea to show well, you know what. No,
Speaker 2: we'll get to it, all right. So this is from
Speaker 2: the Phoenixnew Times dot com. This was an article that
Speaker 2: was written in March fourteenth, twenty fourteen. So the Phoenix
Speaker 2: lights occurred March thirteenth of tooth, I'm sorry, of nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety seven. That's whenever it first happened, March thirteenth, nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety seven. So it says the nineteen ninety seven Phoenix
Speaker 2: lights are no mystery. They got it figured out. So
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety seven, a v pattern of lights flew
Speaker 2: across the Arizona flew across Arizona north to south. While
Speaker 2: conspiracy theories abound, the explanation is far less sexy. On
Speaker 2: March thirteenth of every year, local news outlets run the
Speaker 2: annual story of the mysteries surround the lights that appeared
Speaker 2: over Phoenix in nineteen ninety seven. People seem to forget
Speaker 2: or simply ignore, that there's no real mystery about it.
Speaker 2: The mystery was explained at length in a nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: eight New Time story by Tony Ortega. What follows is
Speaker 2: the cliff notes explanation. There were two events that night,
Speaker 2: A quote unquote v pattern of lights that flew across
Speaker 2: the state north to south, which crossed Phoenix around eight
Speaker 2: thirty pm, and a second set of nine lights that
Speaker 2: seemed to hover over Phoenix before apparently disappearing. As for
Speaker 2: the first event, a man in Scottsdale, looking through a
Speaker 2: large Dobsnian telescope, identified the lights as being attached to planes.
Speaker 2: So this is from Ortega's story, He goes, it was
Speaker 2: plain to see. Oh, this is from Mitch Stanley. So
Speaker 2: this is the astronomer of the twenty one year old
Speaker 2: astronomer whose I guess everybody's just taken a twenty one
Speaker 2: year old's word for it.
Speaker 3: Well, I mean, because he has a telescope that makes
Speaker 3: him an astronomer.
Speaker 2: I get.
Speaker 3: I didn't realize we were given that distinction out to
Speaker 3: just anybody that can order something offline.
Speaker 4: But like, okay, I.
Speaker 2: Guess I'm an astronomer. Two then, because I got one
Speaker 2: of those bad boys.
Speaker 3: You know, this isn't like some dude who's working at
Speaker 3: an observatory and like reporting his findings. We're talking about
Speaker 3: a twenty one year old living in Scottsdale.
Speaker 2: Like all right, word, yeah, So it was planning to see,
Speaker 2: Mitch Stanley says. Under magnification, Stanley clearly could could clearly
Speaker 2: see that each light split into pairs, one each, on
Speaker 2: the tips of squarish wings. Even under the telescope's power,
Speaker 2: the planes appeared small, indicating that they were flying high.
Speaker 2: Stanley says that he followed the planes for about a minute,
Speaker 2: then turned his telescope to more interesting objects. They were planes.
Speaker 2: There's no way I could have mistaken that, he says.
Speaker 2: The more widely seen and talked about lights were the
Speaker 2: ones hovering around ten PM from Ortega. Ortega says within days,
Speaker 2: Tucson Weekly Broken is that the Maryland Air National Guard
Speaker 2: in Arizona for winter training had a squad of a
Speaker 2: ten fighters over the gunnery range that night, and they
Speaker 2: had dropped flares, and an Arizona National Guard Public Information officer,
Speaker 2: Captain Eileen Bines, had determined that the flares had been
Speaker 2: dropped around at ten pm over the North Tack Range,
Speaker 2: thirty miles southwest of Phoenix, at an unusually high altitude
Speaker 2: of fifteen thousand feet.
Speaker 4: Interesting, yeah, okay, now I have to look up something else.
Speaker 4: At what rate do aeronautic flares burn?
Speaker 3: Because, like, if at fifteen thousand feet and they got
Speaker 3: low enough to be seen like by this many people
Speaker 3: in Phoenix, do they burn for like five minutes. It's
Speaker 3: not like they're free falling, They're floating down slowly, So
Speaker 3: you know, I'm just curious what that rate would be.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna look into that. Continue.
Speaker 2: The disappearance was actually the lights dropping behind the Sierra
Speaker 2: Estrella Mountain Range. Channel twelve filmed a similar dropping of
Speaker 2: flares by military planes, which Ortega reported as looking remarkably
Speaker 2: like the ten PM lights of March thirteenth, and ASU
Speaker 2: astronomer or astronomy professor, a physicist and other physicists I'm sorry,
Speaker 2: and other scientists have reviewed the evidence and found the
Speaker 2: explanation perfectly plausible. In fact, you can still find that
Speaker 2: physicist's complete report online. As for the v which wasn't
Speaker 2: talked about or disputed as much as the hovering lights,
Speaker 2: it never was disclosed who was flying those planes. According
Speaker 2: to ortega's reports, Luke Air Force radar operation said that
Speaker 2: there was nothing unusual on the radar, and a formation
Speaker 2: of five planes traveling at a high altitude above Sky
Speaker 2: Harbor's and outside of Luke's restricted airspaces would not have
Speaker 2: been considered unusual. Nobody bothered to request the radar information
Speaker 2: from the Federal Aviation Administration within two weeks, when such
Speaker 2: records were routinely deleted. How convenient, so it'll be known
Speaker 2: exactly where those planes came from. You're going over sky
Speaker 2: Harbor and the Luke Air Force space, and it wasn't
Speaker 2: considered an unusual and the records were deleted after two
Speaker 2: weeks because apparently nobody made a call about it, which
Speaker 2: I called bullshit on and for some reason, they are
Speaker 2: just being extremely nonchalant about this, so it says. However,
Speaker 2: the claim by UFO hunters was that this was some
Speaker 2: miles long UFO obviously alien didn't pan out. Some people
Speaker 2: thought all the lights were part of one craft. But
Speaker 2: an analysis of the videotape made it clear that they
Speaker 2: were moving together in a formation, but they were independent
Speaker 2: of one another. Mystery not quite, says the Phoenix New Times.
Speaker 3: Wow, hey, real quick, Jonathan, give me the ability to
Speaker 3: share the screen. I'm gonna gonna show people some things
Speaker 3: and some stuff real quick. Just so we're all clear
Speaker 3: about what an aeronautic flare looks like.
Speaker 4: Right, just we're all on the same page.
Speaker 5: Here.
Speaker 3: This is them, This is this is the the flare
Speaker 3: in question, all right, And yes they can. This is
Speaker 3: like called the angel measure. It looks like angel wings
Speaker 3: and all these things and like whatever, and this is
Speaker 3: this is what it looks like. And yes, they depend.
Speaker 3: They vary on size of craft and the type of flare.
Speaker 3: Some are countermeasure flare, some are like distress signal flares.
Speaker 3: I get that all of them have trails of smoke
Speaker 3: behind them, and that can clearly visibly be seen in
Speaker 3: the night sky. There's no question about that, first of all.
Speaker 2: Second of all, angel one looks do I know, the
Speaker 2: Angel one looks pretty cool?
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, I agree, that's fucking dope.
Speaker 3: But that being said, take a guess at how fast
Speaker 3: they burn out.
Speaker 2: I I don't even know a minute.
Speaker 4: A minute, really you would think I thought so too.
Speaker 3: Right, here's how fast they burn out, and it depends
Speaker 3: on flair type. And again fifteen thousand feet is what
Speaker 3: he just said. Right, So there's a few different types
Speaker 3: countermeasure flares, which is what those dudes just dropped on
Speaker 3: those planes.
Speaker 4: We just saw three to five seconds.
Speaker 3: Oh, aeronautic flares that are sent out like you've seen
Speaker 3: like Iron Man whenever, like they try to get a
Speaker 3: lock on something and they're like shoot out the flares,
Speaker 3: so like make the rockets hit the flares rather than
Speaker 3: the plane.
Speaker 4: Those only burn for three to five seconds.
Speaker 2: They don't need to burn much longer than that. If
Speaker 2: it's the countdog ones.
Speaker 3: Then there's other ones that burn typically for about seven seconds.
Speaker 4: And then the.
Speaker 3: Worst one are the error aerial parachute flares, which are
Speaker 3: from the ground. Like if I'm shooting a distressed signal
Speaker 3: from a little handgun, that's like a flare. It's a
Speaker 3: parachute flare, and that could go for forty seconds.
Speaker 4: That's it. Oh okay, that's the longest type of flare.
Speaker 2: Even you'll hear numerous reports of people seeing these lights
Speaker 2: in the sky for ten plus minutes like they hurt.
Speaker 4: No fucking way.
Speaker 2: Even Kurt Russell said that he saw it for ten minutes.
Speaker 3: This is my point, right, there's no way that somebody's
Speaker 3: going to mistake lights in the sky.
Speaker 4: Not to mention, they just said that they will.
Speaker 3: Burn at an altitude of around one thousand feet for
Speaker 3: about forty seconds. Okay, that's it, that's all we got.
Speaker 3: You're telling me that multiple planes from the Massachusetts Air
Speaker 3: National Guard was doing some summer training which went what
Speaker 3: month was this again?
Speaker 2: Uh, that was Maryland National Guard.
Speaker 3: Excuse me saying northeast people whatever, you know, So it
Speaker 3: was March in March and they're there for summer training
Speaker 3: right off the rip.
Speaker 4: That makes no fucking sense.
Speaker 3: Secondly, these lights are in the sky and no air
Speaker 3: traffic control can show anything in the sky. I feel
Speaker 3: like you'd be able to tell if there was a
Speaker 3: group of military planes flying from point A to point B.
Speaker 4: But okay, whatever.
Speaker 3: And third these aeronautic flares quote unquote made their way
Speaker 3: from Nevada to Arizona over three hundred miles and we're
Speaker 3: in the sky for minutes when they absolutely don't burn
Speaker 3: for more than a single minute. I'm sorry, I'm this
Speaker 3: whole uh, this whole storyline that or Tega is telling
Speaker 3: us is falling flat on its face when you hit
Speaker 3: it with cold heart facts.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and you'll see that. You'll see that all
Speaker 2: throughout this episode that their explanation can't hold up. It
Speaker 2: just simply can't hold up. So interestingly enough, the Phoenix
Speaker 2: New Times article that we just read that was from
Speaker 2: twenty fourteen. This is ten years after that article, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I wonder if they had changed their
Speaker 2: stance on anything, right, because it's ten years after it
Speaker 2: says Phoenix lights explained everything to know about the legendary
Speaker 2: UFO sighting. Okay, saying, so when was this one written?
Speaker 6: Way?
Speaker 4: That first article was in ninety seven that they wrote it.
Speaker 2: The first article was in twenty fourteen, the one that
Speaker 2: I read, this one's in twenty twenty four just last.
Speaker 4: Year, got you okay? Okay.
Speaker 2: So it says Arizona residents had a close encounter of
Speaker 2: the unusual kind on a warm spring night back more
Speaker 2: than twenty seven years ago. On March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: two formations of lights were sighted in the skies over
Speaker 2: the valley and other parts of Arizona. One was shaped
Speaker 2: like v and cruised across the sky, while the other
Speaker 2: was a series of glowing orbs that appeared in a
Speaker 2: line near the Sierra Istralla mountain range. The two incidents
Speaker 2: became known as the Phoenix Lights, one of the largest
Speaker 2: and best known UFO slightings in history. Thousands of people
Speaker 2: across Arizona witnessed this phenomena, which caused a hubaloo or
Speaker 2: hullabaloo in the media over the next few months that
Speaker 2: grew into a worldwide obsession.
Speaker 4: This is a word you typically see wrote out, a hullabaloo.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that kind of threw me through a loop. Despite
Speaker 2: the public clamoring for answers about what caused the Phoenix Lights,
Speaker 2: both at the time and over the ensuing decades, no
Speaker 2: official investigation has ever occurred. No official investigation ever happened.
Speaker 2: Here's everything to know about the Phoenix Lights. Never been
Speaker 2: an investigation. But the Phoenix New Times got it, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean, So it says what are the
Speaker 2: Phoenix Lights. The Phoenix Lights were two separate UFO sightings
Speaker 2: on the same night in March nineteen ninety seven over Arizona.
Speaker 2: The first was a V shaped formation of six to
Speaker 2: ten glowing orbs that flew from southwest Nevada over Prescott
Speaker 2: Metro Phoenix parts of Tucson in southeast Arizona.
Speaker 4: These Prescott or Prescott.
Speaker 2: It's spelled Prescott, but people say Prescott over there.
Speaker 4: Interesting, Okay, Moving on.
Speaker 2: The second sighting occurred hours later, when a line of
Speaker 2: glowing orbs appeared near the Sierra Istralla Mountain range in
Speaker 2: the Southwest Valley. When did the Phoenix lights happen? It
Speaker 2: says the Phoenix Lights sightings took place on March thirteenth,
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety seven. The first sighting happened between seven to
Speaker 2: fifty five and eight forty pm, and the second between
Speaker 2: nine to fifteen and nine thirty five PM. So there's
Speaker 2: even like weird differing times really close. I'm not gonna,
Speaker 2: you know, nitpick about that. It's this is that How
Speaker 2: many people saw it? It says several thousand people reportedly
Speaker 2: witnessed the Phoenix Lights with a nineteen ninety seven Rocky
Speaker 2: Mountain pole, indicating that up to ten percent of Arizonans
Speaker 2: saw it.
Speaker 3: Ten percent of the state at that time, so basically
Speaker 3: one out of every ten people living in Arizona in
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety seven would testify and say that they saw
Speaker 3: the lights.
Speaker 2: Keep in mind, in nineteen ninety seven, the city of
Speaker 2: Phoenix alone had five million people in it.
Speaker 3: What's I don't even know what the population size of
Speaker 3: Arizona is, but I mean Phoenix and Tucson are like
Speaker 3: their two biggest cities. I would assume, so like the
Speaker 3: majority of the state lives in that city arguably.
Speaker 2: I mean, if Phoenix has five million, the state probably
Speaker 2: has ten million something like that.
Speaker 3: Oh, look it up, I'll see what the population was
Speaker 3: in ninety seven anyway.
Speaker 2: So anyhow, it says that ten percent of Arizona's claim
Speaker 2: to have seen it, And so Shane Hurd, Assistant State
Speaker 2: Rector of the Arizona Chapter of the Mutual UFO Network,
Speaker 2: we left them.
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Arizona population nineteen ninety seven was four
Speaker 3: point five million. Whoa hold on, now, id you I
Speaker 3: know what the fuck the population of Phoenix was?
Speaker 8: Then?
Speaker 2: Oh, maybe I got that mixed up. Then I heard
Speaker 2: that it was five million just in Phoenix. I'm getting
Speaker 2: my numbers mixed up.
Speaker 3: It might be now, because I mean everything's grown, you know,
Speaker 3: especially since everybody's leaving Canada, Canada, California like it's going
Speaker 3: out of style.
Speaker 4: So I mean that might have something to do with it.
Speaker 4: But hold on here.
Speaker 3: Population of Phoenix, Arizona one point one eight three million,
Speaker 3: so a quarter about of all of the inhabitants of
Speaker 3: Arizona live in Phoenix at this time. So when you
Speaker 3: say that ten percent of the state saw it, that
Speaker 3: is not a misnomber.
Speaker 4: That's a realistic number to throw.
Speaker 2: Out, all right, So your boy. Shane Hurd, assistant state
Speaker 2: director of the Arizona chapter of the Moufon Network, told
Speaker 2: Phoenix New Times in twenty twenty two that the sighting
Speaker 2: occurred on a clear, moonless night, which aided visibility. Many
Speaker 2: people were already watching this, guys, because Comet Haley Bop
Speaker 2: was highly visible to the naked eye at the time
Speaker 2: because of its brightness. Check this out, your boy Kurt
Speaker 2: Russell makes yeah, yeah, dude, And we're going to get
Speaker 2: to Kurt Russell's story here in a little bit. It's
Speaker 2: actually pretty funny. So in twenty seventeen, actor Kurt Russell
Speaker 2: told BBC that he was flying his step son Oliver
Speaker 2: into Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport that night and spotted
Speaker 2: the V formation while landing and reported it to air
Speaker 2: traffic controllers. The actor joked that that that might have
Speaker 2: made the first the first official report of the sighting,
Speaker 2: which later was confirmed. So I thought that was pretty interesting, dude.
Speaker 2: And this is where it gets even weirder. So, despite
Speaker 2: public publicly mocking the first you know what, I don't
Speaker 2: even want to read that part because we're going to
Speaker 2: get to that. I don't want to blow the lid
Speaker 2: off of that one. Yeah, sou So, what are some
Speaker 2: of the explanations for the Phoenix lights? The explanation accepted
Speaker 2: by most skeptics is that the Phoenix lights were caused
Speaker 2: by military activity in Arizona during the night of the incidents.
Speaker 2: The first sighting is believed to have been a group
Speaker 2: of a ten Thunderbolt jets flying in a V shaped
Speaker 2: formation as part of Operation Snowbird. Why does Snowbird always
Speaker 2: make a mention in all these episodes.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna look in Operation Snowbird just so we know
Speaker 4: what the fuck they're talking about. Now.
Speaker 2: It says a pilot training program operating out of Davis
Speaker 2: monthan Air Force base in Tucson by the Air National Guard.
Speaker 2: The story is backed up by the account of Mitch Stanley,
Speaker 2: who we mentioned before, a twenty one year old amateur
Speaker 2: astronomer living in Scottsdale at the time, who told New
Speaker 2: Times in nineteen ninety seven that he used a ten
Speaker 2: inch Obsonian mirrored telescope to view a squadron of fighter planes.
Speaker 2: In regards to the second sighting, Lieutenant Colonel Ed Jones
Speaker 2: of the Maryland Air National Guard tooled the Arizona Republic
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen it was caused by a different squadron
Speaker 2: of a ten jets dropping parachute equipped flares while conducting
Speaker 2: exercises at what's now the bary M Goldwater Air Force
Speaker 2: Range near Gilli Bend. So you were just saying, you know,
Speaker 2: whenever you're talking about the flares, the parachute equipped flares,
Speaker 2: which were the ones that last forty seconds, right, these
Speaker 2: things were seen for over ten.
Speaker 3: Minutes absolutely, and I mean at fifteen thousand feet. Granted
Speaker 3: that's not that's not some jetliner flying at thirty thousand
Speaker 3: by any means, but fifteen thousand feet and only for
Speaker 3: forty seconds, that is a very small window of time
Speaker 3: to have, you know, upwards of close to a million
Speaker 3: people see this at the same time, Well, five hundred thousand,
Speaker 3: I should say, But I mean, like, that's that's crazy
Speaker 3: out loud, but also just we're all on the same page.
Speaker 3: Year Operation Snowbird refers to an annual winter training exercise
Speaker 3: primarily used by the Air now and Guard to conduct
Speaker 3: large scale operations in a warm desert environment such as
Speaker 3: Arizona to escape winter weather and utilize suitable training ranges.
Speaker 3: The exercise allows military personnel and aircraft to gain experience
Speaker 3: in deployed conditions, improving readiness for real world missions, and
Speaker 3: fostering relations with partner units. Okay, so Operation Snowbird seems
Speaker 3: to be like a yearly training exercise, which I understand
Speaker 3: that this happens one hundred percent. Yeah, dropping flares, I
Speaker 3: get this, that's the thing that happens. You got to
Speaker 3: test all your systems and capabilities. I'm with this too,
Speaker 3: But these flares leave a smoke trail, and you would
Speaker 3: definitely be able to see that off of a clear, moonless,
Speaker 3: cloudless night such as this.
Speaker 2: Right right, So yeah, I don't buy that personally. So
Speaker 2: now we're just gonna jump over all right, So the
Speaker 2: Phoenix New times. They shit on it in both articles,
Speaker 2: claiming that we're just gonna take the word of this
Speaker 2: twenty one year old amateur astronomer, and we're also going
Speaker 2: to take the word of a lieutenant colonel who spoke
Speaker 2: on the event twenty years after the fact and never
Speaker 2: said anything before that. Well, I don't know. I thought
Speaker 2: that was kind of crazy.
Speaker 4: I agree.
Speaker 2: So now we'll go over to wicked Pedia and hear
Speaker 2: the Wikipedia side of the story.
Speaker 9: So.
Speaker 2: The Phoenix Lights, often sometimes called the Lights over Phoenix,
Speaker 2: were a series of widely cited unidentified flying objects observed
Speaker 2: in the skies over the southwestern US states of Arizona
Speaker 2: and Nevada on March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven. Lights of
Speaker 2: varying descriptions were seen between seven thirty to ten thirty
Speaker 2: Mountain Standard time in a space of about three hundred
Speaker 2: miles from the Nevada Line through Phoenix to the edge
Speaker 2: of Tucson. Some witnesses describe seeing what appeared to be
Speaker 2: a huge carpenter square shaped UFO containing five spherical lights.
Speaker 2: There were two distinct events involved in the in the incident,
Speaker 2: A triangular for formation lights seen to pass over the state,
Speaker 2: and a series of stationary lights seen in the Phoenix area.
Speaker 2: Both sightings were due to aircraft participating in Operation Snowbird,
Speaker 2: a pilot training program operated in winter by the at
Speaker 2: the Air National Guard out of Davis Monthan Air Force
Speaker 2: base in Tucson, Arizona. The first light group was later
Speaker 2: identified as a formation of a ten Thunderbolt two aircraft
Speaker 2: flying over Phoenix while returning to Davis Monton. The second
Speaker 2: group of lights were identified by Robert Schaeffer as illumination
Speaker 2: flares dropped by another flight of a ten aircraft that
Speaker 2: were on training exercises at the Barry Goldwater Range in
Speaker 2: southwest Arizona. Fife Simonton remember that name, Okay, he was
Speaker 2: then the governor of Arizona at that time. Who at
Speaker 2: the time, I think it was just days later. He
Speaker 2: made a mockery of it, and we're going to see
Speaker 2: how crazy it was. He was the governor at that time.
Speaker 2: I guess he had a lot of let's just say
Speaker 2: he was part of a swamp. He had some tax
Speaker 2: evasion type of things that was going on and claiming
Speaker 2: the politician got you, claiming that his property was worth
Speaker 2: way more than it actually was, and he was about
Speaker 2: to go to jail and all this kind of stuff. Anyhow,
Speaker 2: he started talking about what the Phoenix lights were just
Speaker 2: a few days after the event, and everybody was excited,
Speaker 2: couldn't wait to hear what he was about to say
Speaker 2: on it, because literally thousands of people and eyewitness testimonies
Speaker 2: called in and reported it, right.
Speaker 4: By the numbers, hundreds of thousands, dude.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this fucking guy gets up on stage and
Speaker 2: makes a mockery of everybody. He goes, you know what,
Speaker 2: we're gonna call the witness up right now, and we
Speaker 2: are going to scold him as we sit here, and
Speaker 2: he's acting like he's all stern and everything. Next thing
Speaker 2: you know, somebody in an alien costume comes up, wow,
Speaker 2: and just makes an entire joke out of all of it. Right, So,
Speaker 2: at first everybody was pissed about that because it discredited
Speaker 2: so many people, like so many like legitimate, well in
Speaker 2: legit researchers too, who were going around and trying to
Speaker 2: collect as much information as they possibly could and finding that, like,
Speaker 2: you know, the story doesn't check out. We can't go
Speaker 2: with this whole Flare story because it doesn't work. So anyhow,
Speaker 2: he was the governor of Arizona at the time, and
Speaker 2: years later he recounted witnessing the incident, describing it as otherworldly.
Speaker 2: So you're like, wait a second, you just made a
Speaker 2: mockery out of everybody. And then ten years after the fact,
Speaker 2: he's now at almost every single UFO con. He's now
Speaker 2: like saying, I know what I saw. I know it
Speaker 2: was otherworldly, and he goes on these like wild, long rants,
Speaker 2: and some people have suggested that he couldn't tell the story,
Speaker 2: and he's actually said that. He said, you know, I
Speaker 2: couldn't tell the story. I was in I was in
Speaker 2: some pretty fucking deep water back then, and if I
Speaker 2: would have said anything I was, I was advised to
Speaker 2: make a mockery of it, he said, which is believable.
Speaker 3: I couldn't believe that I had to be honest, especially
Speaker 3: as we talked about all the things that over the
Speaker 3: past few days. We've talked about the powers that be,
Speaker 3: and yes, there's state level powers that be, but there's
Speaker 3: also federal and international powers that be that will absolutely
Speaker 3: come and have a sit down with you and say, hey,
Speaker 3: you didn't see what you saw, and you're gonna go
Speaker 3: out loud and proud about that fact that we just
Speaker 3: told you that as a fact.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you where it gets even weirder with
Speaker 2: this whole Fife Simington character. So I guess he went
Speaker 2: to high school or middle school or something like that
Speaker 2: with Bill Clinton, right, and so he's in Arkansas, I guess. So,
Speaker 2: so he's the governor of Arizona at this time, or
Speaker 2: they went to like I don't think it was middle school.
Speaker 2: I think it was like a summer camp situation or
Speaker 2: something like that. They were young, and supposedly he saved
Speaker 2: Bill Clinton from drowning in a tide pool or something
Speaker 2: like that, which is whatever. That's cool because Bill Clinton.
Speaker 4: Was a little fat boy when he was growing up too.
Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know that. But anyway, so he allegedly
Speaker 2: saves him, he gets in all of this trouble, right, like,
Speaker 2: you know, trying to write off his property as being
Speaker 2: a lot more expensive or whatever or a lot cheaper.
Speaker 2: I don't know the exact story, we're gonna get to it.
Speaker 2: And then he goes on this whole charade, making a
Speaker 2: mockery out of the whole Phoenix Light situation, and literally
Speaker 2: like six months later, Bill Clinton pardons him for all
Speaker 2: of that shit that he did, so it's like you
Speaker 2: scratch my back, I scratch yours. And now here he
Speaker 2: is ten years later saying I know what I saw.
Speaker 3: Wow, So you got pardon for all his income tax
Speaker 3: of Asian shit and how he can be loud and
Speaker 3: proud about it.
Speaker 4: That's interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So it says reports of similar lights arose in two
Speaker 2: thousand and seven and two thousand and eight and were
Speaker 2: attributed to military flares dropped by fighter aircraft at Luke
Speaker 2: Air Force Base and flares attached to helium balloons released
Speaker 2: by a civilian, respectively. So that's later, and we're gonna
Speaker 2: get to later story. Dude. I was so because I
Speaker 2: saw that that your your boy, Uh shit, what is
Speaker 2: his name? The actor we were just talking about, Kurt Russell.
Speaker 2: Kurt Russell. Yeah, I saw Kurt Russell, you know, talked
Speaker 2: about how he was an eyewitness. And then I saw
Speaker 2: another another big name that was allegedly involved into the
Speaker 2: Phoenix lights. Fucking Alice Cooper was there also, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, Alice Cooper saw it too,
Speaker 2: that's crazy. Turns out it wasn't until he saw the
Speaker 2: same thing two or three years later. So we're gonna
Speaker 2: see that story a little bit later too in Phoenix.
Speaker 2: In Phoenix, Yeah what yeah, yeah, he saw it too.
Speaker 2: I think he saw it in two thousand.
Speaker 4: He goes, yeah, I didn't realized there was a second
Speaker 4: Phoenix Lights event.
Speaker 2: He was the only I think he was the only
Speaker 2: one that reported on it. But he said he was
Speaker 2: out alone in the desert. He was driving home to California.
Speaker 2: He went to do something and in Phoenix, maybe I
Speaker 2: don't know, maybe at a concert or something. And on
Speaker 2: his way back home it was in the dead of night,
Speaker 2: in the middle of the desert, and he goes, I
Speaker 2: saw the fucking Phoenix Lights. Like, I'm not making that up.
Speaker 4: Holy shit.
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, so, I mean it is Arizona. It is
Speaker 2: the desert that is where they do a lot of
Speaker 2: practice show. I'm not saying that the Air Force in
Speaker 2: the Air National Guard doesn't do these operations. I'm not
Speaker 2: saying that. But there's way more to this story, Okay,
Speaker 2: So let's get to it. On March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: at seven to fifty five pm MST, a witness in Henderson, Nevada,
Speaker 2: reported seeing a large V shaped object traveling southeast at
Speaker 2: eight fifteen PM, an unidentified former police officer in Paulden,
Speaker 2: Arizona more on Him in a little Bit, reported seeing
Speaker 2: a cluster of reddish orange lights disappear over the southern horizon.
Speaker 2: Shortly afterward, there were reports of lights seen over the
Speaker 2: Prescott Valley in Arizona. Tim Lay and his wife Bobby
Speaker 2: more on Them, his son Howl, and his grandson Damien
Speaker 2: first saw the lights when they were about sixty five
Speaker 2: miles away from them. At first, the lights appeared to
Speaker 2: have five separate and distinct lights in an arc shape,
Speaker 2: as if they were on top of a balloon. But
Speaker 2: they soon realized that the lights appeared to be moving
Speaker 2: towards them over the next ten or so minutes, so
Speaker 2: they over the next ten or so minutes, just as
Speaker 2: it says right here in the Wikipedia article, they saw
Speaker 2: it over the next ten or so minutes. Players only
Speaker 2: last a maximum of forty fucking seconds.
Speaker 4: Dude, Yeah, okay, none of that makes sense, but all right.
Speaker 2: The lights appeared to come closer. Over the next ten minutes,
Speaker 2: the distance between the lights increased, and they took on
Speaker 2: the shape of an upside down V. Eventually, when the
Speaker 2: lights appeared to be a couple of miles away. The
Speaker 2: family said that they can make out a shape that
Speaker 2: looked like a sixty degree carpenter square with five lights
Speaker 2: set into it, with one at the front and two
Speaker 2: on each side. Soon, the object with the embedded lights
Speaker 2: appeared to be moving toward them, about one hundred to
Speaker 2: one hundred and fifty feet above them, not very high
Speaker 2: above them, one hundred and two one hundred and fifty feet.
Speaker 4: Above them right now, I mean in the night sky.
Speaker 3: I understand that perhaps your depth perception is not at
Speaker 3: max power, right you are guestimating based off of what
Speaker 3: you can guess off of in the sky, And I mean,
Speaker 3: how can you really tell if something is one thousand
Speaker 3: feet versus eight hundred feet? Okay, I get that, But
Speaker 3: to say that it's one hundred and fifty feet that
Speaker 3: is really low, Like there's no distinct, There's no way
Speaker 3: this is like where a helicopter with a searchlight is
Speaker 3: flying over looking for somebody.
Speaker 4: That's about the height that they would fly at.
Speaker 3: There's no way that you're making that into a guestimation
Speaker 3: of a thousand feet, even in the night sky.
Speaker 2: So if this story is true that they saw it
Speaker 2: at one hundred to one hundred and fifty feet and
Speaker 2: they saw it coming at them for over ten minutes.
Speaker 2: It cannot be a fighter jet. Fighter jets ain't taken
Speaker 2: that fucking slow, right.
Speaker 10: And you.
Speaker 2: Would hear them. It cannot be flares because you're not
Speaker 2: to see it over the course of ten minutes.
Speaker 4: Noe.
Speaker 2: And they were able to look up. And some might say, well,
Speaker 2: maybe it was a helicopter. If they if they said
Speaker 2: that it was only one hundred to one hundred and
Speaker 2: fifty feet above their head, I'm pretty sure they'd be
Speaker 2: able to be able to make the distinction between what
Speaker 2: is a helicopter and what is not.
Speaker 4: I'll put it like this.
Speaker 3: Keep in mind, a football field is three hundred feet Okay,
Speaker 3: so we are talking about a third of that real talk.
Speaker 3: And you think that they wouldn't be able to hear
Speaker 3: if it was something mechanical.
Speaker 2: Yeah, uh, three hundred and sixty feet if you can
Speaker 2: include the ends.
Speaker 3: Including conce fair enough. But my point is if a
Speaker 3: helicopter just landed on the opposite end of a football
Speaker 3: field from you, you can fucking hear it. And that
Speaker 3: is three times the distance that we are talking about
Speaker 3: at this time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it says it was about one hundred to
Speaker 2: one hundred feet above them, one hundred to one hundred
Speaker 2: and fifty feet above them, sorry, traveling so slowly that
Speaker 2: it gave the appearance of a silent huve object which
Speaker 2: seemed to pass over their heads and went through a
Speaker 2: v opening in the peaks of the mountain range towards
Speaker 2: piscet toua peak mountain I don't pret of that one,
Speaker 2: and toward the direction of Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport.
Speaker 2: Actor Kurt Russell, an amateur pilot, then reported seeing the
Speaker 2: lights to air traffic Control between eight thirty and eight
Speaker 2: to forty five PM. Witnesses in Glendale, a suburb northwest
Speaker 2: of Phoenix, saw the light formation pass overhead and an
Speaker 2: altitude high enough to become obscured by the thin clouds.
Speaker 2: Amateur astronomer Mitch Stanley and Scottsdale, Arizona, also observed the
Speaker 2: high altitude lights flying in formation through a telescope. According
Speaker 2: to Stanley, they were quite clearly individual airplanes. He's the
Speaker 2: only one. He's the only one that says that, by
Speaker 2: the way, he's he's the only person out of the
Speaker 2: thousands of people that were out there that says it
Speaker 2: was clearly airplanes.
Speaker 4: That would make sense.
Speaker 3: Why the mainstream narrative continuously sources him as like, clearly
Speaker 3: the guy in the know, the twenty one year old
Speaker 3: who happened to have a decent telescope who happened to
Speaker 3: look up at it at that one point.
Speaker 2: Sure it's bunk, is what it is? Yeah? So, And
Speaker 2: then at approximately ten o'clock that same evening, a large
Speaker 2: number of people in the Phoenix area reported seeing a
Speaker 2: row of brilliant lights hovering in the sky or slowly falling.
Speaker 2: The number of photographs and videos were taken, prompting author
Speaker 2: Robert Schaeffer to describe it as perhaps the most widely
Speaker 2: witnessed UFO event in history. Yet we're going to rely
Speaker 2: on the words of a twenty one year old dude.
Speaker 2: You know how retarded we were when we were twenty one?
Speaker 2: I mean, actually will know it alls.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure.
Speaker 3: I will say that I thought I knew way more
Speaker 3: at nineteen than I did at twenty one.
Speaker 4: And at twenty one, I was.
Speaker 3: Getting out of the Marine Corps, I was married, I
Speaker 3: had a kid, like you know, it was that. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, people and myself included at twenty one.
Speaker 4: Are still fucking retarded. Have no clue what way is up,
Speaker 4: have no clue what they're doing.
Speaker 3: They think they got a plan, they think they got
Speaker 3: it figured out, but it's you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Not very bright individuals at twenty one.
Speaker 4: N No, God do they think they are?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, we remember, so then there are explanations, it says.
Speaker 2: According to Schaeffer, what became known as the Phoenix Lights
Speaker 2: incident in nineteen ninety seven consists of two unrelated incidents,
Speaker 2: although both were the result of activities of the same organization,
Speaker 2: Operation Snowbird, a pilot training program operated in the winter
Speaker 2: by the Air National Guard out of Davis, month And
Speaker 2: Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona. Tucson astronomer and retired
Speaker 2: Air Force pilot James mcgaha said he also investigated the
Speaker 2: two separate sightings and traced them both to a ten
Speaker 2: Thunderbolt two aircraft flying in formation at high altitude. The
Speaker 2: first incident, often perceived as a large flying triangle by witnesses,
Speaker 2: began at approximately eight pm. It was due to five
Speaker 2: A ten jets from Operation Snowbird, allowing an assigned air
Speaker 2: traffic corridor and flying under visual flight rules Federal Aviation
Speaker 2: Administration or the FAA rules concerning private and commercial aircraft
Speaker 2: do not apply to military aircraft, so the A ten
Speaker 2: formation displayed steady formation lights rather than blinking collision lights.
Speaker 2: The formation flew over Phoenix and on too Tucson, landing
Speaker 2: at Davis Month and AFB at around eight forty five pm.
Speaker 2: The second incident, described as a row of bright brilliant
Speaker 2: lights hovering in the sky or slowly falling, began at
Speaker 2: approximately ten pm and was due to a flare drop
Speaker 2: exercise by different A ten jets from the Maryland Air
Speaker 2: National Guard, also operating out of Davis montham AFB as
Speaker 2: part of Operation Snowbird. The US Air Force explained the
Speaker 2: exercises utilizing snowfallings long burning lu U DASH two B
Speaker 2: slash B illumination flares dropped by a flight of four
Speaker 2: to A ten aircraft on a training exercise of the
Speaker 2: bary M Goldwater Air Force Range in western Pima County, Arizona.
Speaker 3: The flares is a nomenclature on those flares. One more time, sir,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do a little searching.
Speaker 2: That would be long burning lu U dash two B
Speaker 2: slash B illumination flares.
Speaker 4: I got it, continue, sir.
Speaker 2: The flares would have been visible in Phoenix and appeared
Speaker 2: to hover due to the rising heat from the burning
Speaker 2: flares creating a balloona effect on their parachutes, which slowed
Speaker 2: the descent. The lights then appeared to wink out as
Speaker 2: they fell behind the Sierra Istralla Mountain Range to the
Speaker 2: southwest of Phoenix. The lights likely appeared to block out
Speaker 2: background stars because of their brightness, making it harder to
Speaker 2: see dim objects like stars in the areas they laid out.
Speaker 2: A maryland ANNG pilot lut Lieutenant Colonel Ed Jones, responding
Speaker 2: to a March two thousand and seven media query, confirmed
Speaker 2: that he had flown one of the aircraft in the
Speaker 2: formation that dropped the flares on the night in question.
Speaker 2: The squadron to which he belonged was at Davis, Monthem
Speaker 2: AFB on a training exercise at the time, and flew
Speaker 2: training sorties to the Goldwater Air Force Range on the
Speaker 2: night in question, according to the Maryland Ang. A history
Speaker 2: of the Maryland Ang published in two thousand asserted the squadron,
Speaker 2: the one hundred and fourth Fighter Squadron, was responsible for
Speaker 2: the incident. The first reports that members of the Maryland
Speaker 2: ang were responsible for the incident were published in the
Speaker 2: Arizona Republic in July of nineteen ninety seven. Later, comparisons
Speaker 2: with non military flare drops were reported. Local were reported
Speaker 2: on local television stations showing similarities between the known military
Speaker 2: flare drops and the Phoenix lights. An analysis of the
Speaker 2: luminosity of the LUU dash two B slash B illumination flares,
Speaker 2: the type which would have been been in use by
Speaker 2: a ten aircraft at the time, determined that the luminosity
Speaker 2: of such flares at a range of approximately fifty to
Speaker 2: seventy miles would fall well within the range of the
Speaker 2: lights viewed from Phoenix.
Speaker 3: Okay, so I looked it up, And granted we looked
Speaker 3: up just general flares earlier, but now we got some
Speaker 3: real nomenclature. Now we know the exact type that they
Speaker 3: are trying to say with the official narrative. And I
Speaker 3: will say that yes, they do in fact burn laurunger
Speaker 3: than forty seconds. But the eyewitness testimony from hundreds of
Speaker 3: thousands of people say that they saw them for ten minutes,
Speaker 3: right m h or even longer. I guess in the
Speaker 3: case of ten minutes or right, Okay. The LUU two
Speaker 3: B slash B illumination flare is an aircraft deployed high
Speaker 3: intensity flare with a burn time of approximately four to
Speaker 3: five minutes. It is designed to be deployed from a
Speaker 3: pod or canister on aircraft and is equipped with a
Speaker 3: parachute and a timer to ignite the flare and slow
Speaker 3: its the scent, illuminating a ground area for about five meters,
Speaker 3: illuminating a ground area for about or of about five
Speaker 3: hundred meters. So what this is is they deploy this
Speaker 3: flare to give illumination to ground forces.
Speaker 2: Right right, And okay, I just want to keep in
Speaker 2: mind too, these are the same flares that allegedly were
Speaker 2: seen from Nevada all the way through Tucson.
Speaker 3: Let me let me share the screen so we can
Speaker 3: get an image of what kind this looks like in
Speaker 3: real practice. Here from from Nevada to Tucson in five minutes, Max,
Speaker 3: This is what we're talking about. You see how these
Speaker 3: are people on the ground and the flare is providing
Speaker 3: them light to where they could see what the fuck
Speaker 3: they're doing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you can see the tails on those. You can
Speaker 2: see the tails on them.
Speaker 3: You see how they you know, have the smoke you
Speaker 3: see how, Yes they give off light, but they are
Speaker 3: used to like up a certain battlefield. So you're telling
Speaker 3: me that this group of thunderbirds launched these somewhere in
Speaker 3: Nevada and the wind carried them in the course of
Speaker 3: best case scenario five. I'll even give you even benefit
Speaker 3: of the doubt and say that maybe these were accidentally
Speaker 3: extra packed. So six minutes they made the travel from
Speaker 3: the Nevada Desert to Phoenix, Arizona, and then past Phoenix.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, what are we fucking talking about here?
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, dude. So it's it's pretty wild,
Speaker 2: I do, all right. So now let's just get to
Speaker 2: the actual lights. This is from not This is just
Speaker 2: from a regular person who decided to whip out his
Speaker 2: camera and take This is the most I believe that
Speaker 2: this is the most like accredited video of the Phoenix lights.
Speaker 2: So right, and you'll hear them like psyched out in
Speaker 2: the background and everything. It's pretty funny. But four and
Speaker 2: a half minutes. We ain't got to watch the whole thing,
Speaker 2: but you can see it right here.
Speaker 4: I need I got him with their spotting scope somewhere here.
Speaker 2: If somebody wants to look into that, there's two side
Speaker 2: by side.
Speaker 4: This is slightly different.
Speaker 2: It's not the one.
Speaker 11: Look wait where, look at that.
Speaker 1: There's no one. We're just excited.
Speaker 2: I got that one.
Speaker 1: There's them.
Speaker 4: Look at the three of them altogether.
Speaker 12: I got the third one popping there.
Speaker 13: I got four of them.
Speaker 4: Major sighting here.
Speaker 14: That's no, there's fine.
Speaker 2: Another showed up multiple maybe somebody. No, those are in
Speaker 2: the skies underneath that. Now, Jacob, did those look like
Speaker 2: flares to you, sir?
Speaker 3: I'm gonna be honest video it like you see another
Speaker 3: one pop out of nowhere and another one pop out
Speaker 3: of nowhere. It's not like they're shooting off from the
Speaker 3: wings of a plane by any means. These are not airplanes.
Speaker 3: They're not blinking. Just like they said, Operation Snowbird, those
Speaker 3: thunderbirds were operating in the realm of legality of what
Speaker 3: you have to do when you are up in the
Speaker 3: sky at night. You have to have red and green
Speaker 3: and white blinking lights on your craft. That is a law,
Speaker 3: even the military when they're doing operations bye by the law.
Speaker 3: And this is this is not that not even close, dude.
Speaker 2: I've never and and I could be wrong, but and
Speaker 2: this is a old video. It's filmed in nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: probably using a fucking cam quarter right. Yeah, but in
Speaker 2: grainy as it may be, you can still see the
Speaker 2: formation of these things. Watch.
Speaker 4: I mean, just how at.
Speaker 3: This moment, I can't see a full V I see
Speaker 3: a straight line that I see the two at the back,
Speaker 3: and like, there's something to be said for that. But
Speaker 3: even still, you saw one and then it kind of
Speaker 3: was a little wider, so it might have been two
Speaker 3: that kind of it off from each other. Three and
Speaker 3: four popped about of nowhere. The two at the back
Speaker 3: absolutely out of nowhere.
Speaker 2: But these things aren't falling. They're just staying in one place.
Speaker 3: And I mean, now, granted we can't tell because it's
Speaker 3: in the night sky, so I mean we can't see
Speaker 3: how they're like if they're falling behind a building or
Speaker 3: something whatever, But it does not appear that they are
Speaker 3: falling by any means. It looks like they're gliding. And
Speaker 3: now we have three instead of four at the front. Okay,
Speaker 3: one of them just blinked out.
Speaker 2: Yeah. This it's funny because it says that this is an.
Speaker 3: Eight k ah damn that has a testament to the
Speaker 3: day and age.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and like you see, you see how he's trying to.
Speaker 3: Zoom in on it, but because the camera is not
Speaker 3: the best quality, it's starting to like do some weird things.
Speaker 3: But that's not the lights doing that, that is the
Speaker 3: camera quality. Yeah, he just refocused right, wow.
Speaker 2: Right, but staying in that same diagonalar or diet what
Speaker 2: is that fucking word. I can't even say it, right,
Speaker 2: diagonal diagonal formation.
Speaker 4: Seven? We just saw six lights, now we.
Speaker 2: See four right right, and they're not like the ones
Speaker 2: that are that are going out. Weren't even the first
Speaker 2: ones that you saw. So if they're flares, that would
Speaker 2: make the most sense if if you the first ones
Speaker 2: that you saw would be the first ones to burn out.
Speaker 2: But that's not in this case.
Speaker 4: How long is this video?
Speaker 2: Four and a half minutes?
Speaker 3: Four and a half minutes, so they're saying the official
Speaker 3: narrative is saying that these flares burn out within four
Speaker 3: to five minutes. Do these lights turn off at the
Speaker 3: very end.
Speaker 4: Of this clip? Oh, are we getting to let's see,
Speaker 4: let's see.
Speaker 2: Yeah, these ones do start to disappear after some time.
Speaker 2: I don't know what is going on right here there,
Speaker 2: we go. And so, yeah, this is one of the
Speaker 2: videos from one of the angles. We have a couple
Speaker 2: more that you'll be able to see, but yeah, you
Speaker 2: see them right here. They're just lined up in a
Speaker 2: diagonal kind of shape, three on one side, one from
Speaker 2: the other.
Speaker 4: Now that one just went away.
Speaker 2: Yeah, varying different different reports on it. And it's so
Speaker 2: different from multiple angles too, which is crazy, dude.
Speaker 3: Even if they're flares, they are not gonna stay in
Speaker 3: a perfect straight line like this as they're falling.
Speaker 4: They're gonna they're gonna waver a bit in the wind.
Speaker 4: They're gonna do their thing. You know. That's that's also
Speaker 4: pretty crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, so that's that. Just wanted to show that
Speaker 2: and maybe we'll go back to it here in a minute.
Speaker 2: But all right, So now I wanted to get to
Speaker 2: the here we go, all right, So there were there
Speaker 2: were eyewitness testimonies, and we're gonna name a couple of
Speaker 2: them right now and go over some of their stories
Speaker 2: eyewitness accounts or the backbone of this story. So Tim
Speaker 2: Lay and his family, which we were just talking about,
Speaker 2: watched in awe as the craft the size of multiple
Speaker 2: football fields, and their words passed silently overhead. On the
Speaker 2: night of March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, Tim Lay, then
Speaker 2: an electric an electronics repair shop manager, stood in front
Speaker 2: stood in his front yard in Prescott Valley with his
Speaker 2: wife Bobby, Son how and grandson Damien when they first
Speaker 2: noticed five distinct lights arranged in an arc, seemingly perched
Speaker 2: atop an invisible balloon. That's what they thought at first.
Speaker 2: As the formation drifted closer. Over the next ten minutes,
Speaker 2: the points of lights spread apart, reshaping into an inverted V.
Speaker 2: When it was about a mile away, the witnesses perceived
Speaker 2: a solid structure, a massive car carpenter square silhouette, with
Speaker 2: the glowing lights embedded, one at the apex and two
Speaker 2: on each side. The craft hovered silently, gliding so slowly
Speaker 2: and quietly that Lay could hear no engine noise, a
Speaker 2: notable detail in their quiet Mountain Valley home. He later
Speaker 2: said in quotes. By that time it got about a
Speaker 2: mile away, we decided it was definitely one huge structure
Speaker 2: because the lights were so rigidly maintaining their relative positions
Speaker 2: to each other. Where we live, we can hear the
Speaker 2: slightest engine noises from miles away. At this point it
Speaker 2: began to dawn upon us that this was a real
Speaker 2: UFO end quote. Eventually the formation silently passed overhead only
Speaker 2: about one hundred feet above, through a V shape gap
Speaker 2: in the peaks between the peaks toward Squawk Peak and
Speaker 2: onward towards Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport. So that's an interesting
Speaker 2: one you got Tim talking about, like, hey, it was
Speaker 2: only one hundred feet above. They made no sound in
Speaker 2: that area. You'd be able to hear something from miles away.
Speaker 2: And they all stayed relatively in the same position in
Speaker 2: the sky against each other.
Speaker 3: Taking away the whole like the Carpenter square, which is
Speaker 3: a rigid V shape or a L shape, whatever you
Speaker 3: want to call that. Okay, all right, just putting out
Speaker 3: on the back burner for two seconds. The fact that
Speaker 3: they witnessed this for ten minutes completely negates the aeronautic
Speaker 3: flare conversation.
Speaker 2: And it couldn't have been any kind of aircraft because
Speaker 2: there was no sound at all and it sound.
Speaker 4: Also blinking lights, which you would also need.
Speaker 2: No sound, no blinking lights, and going extremely slow. Yeah,
Speaker 2: those are three things that don't work with aircraft.
Speaker 3: Nope, so at all. Now, like I said an invisible
Speaker 3: balloon or something like that. Yeah, if you would have
Speaker 3: said maybe these were spotlights on the bottom of a
Speaker 3: blimp or some shit like that, Okay, maybe we could
Speaker 3: have that conversation.
Speaker 4: But that hasn't been brought up one time.
Speaker 3: The Air Force is saying that it was a training
Speaker 3: mission that they do every year, and that these were
Speaker 3: aeronautic flares, perfectly within the realm of the training exercise
Speaker 3: that they do. They even give the nomenclature for the
Speaker 3: flares that are used, and this whole thing falls short
Speaker 3: of that being a factual statement.
Speaker 2: Right right. So that's Tim Lay and his family. Then
Speaker 2: there're Dana Valentine. He saw a chevron shaped craft hovering
Speaker 2: as low as five hundred feet with strange distortion behind it,
Speaker 2: as if it was bending the air itself. Okay, So
Speaker 2: on this evening, Dana Valentine, then a thirty one year
Speaker 2: old laser printer technician, stood in his Phoenix backyard alongside
Speaker 2: his father, who was an aeronautical engineer, when they witnessed
Speaker 2: an extraordinary sight. A V shaped formation of lights hovered
Speaker 2: just ahead, so low that it was estimated to only
Speaker 2: be about five hundred feet above them. As the formation
Speaker 2: drifted silently through the sky, they perceived a gray, wavy
Speaker 2: distortion behind the lights, an outline of mass that seemed
Speaker 2: to subtly blot out the stars, though the object itself
Speaker 2: was not clearly visible. Valentine later reflected and said this
Speaker 2: in quotes. We could see the outline of a mass.
Speaker 2: We could see the outline of a mass behind the lights,
Speaker 2: but you couldn't actually see the mass. Talking about the
Speaker 2: maybe U it was more like a gray distortion of
Speaker 2: the night sky being wavy. I don't know exactly what
Speaker 2: it was, but I know it's not a technology that
Speaker 2: the public has heard of before. Yeah, So that's his
Speaker 2: testimony day of Valentine. We're gonna touch a little bit
Speaker 2: more on all these people here a little bit later.
Speaker 2: This is kind of just an outline. Then you got
Speaker 2: your boy Rick from Paulden, who Paulden, Arizona. He's a
Speaker 2: former cop. He was the first one, the first testimony
Speaker 2: on the ground that reported it in Arizona. So on
Speaker 2: the night of March thirteenth, around eight fifteen PM, a
Speaker 2: former police officer from the small town of Paulden, Arizona,
Speaker 2: made what would become the first widely noted Arizona report
Speaker 2: of the Phoenix Lights. He describes seeing a formation of
Speaker 2: reddish orange lights, four grouped closely together, with a fifth
Speaker 2: trailing behind each, appearing as two distinct points of light. Curious,
Speaker 2: he rushed home, grabbed his binoculars, and continued to watch
Speaker 2: as the strange cluster drifted steadily across the sky before
Speaker 2: disappearing over the southern horizon. Though brief. His call marked
Speaker 2: the moment the mystery moved from isolated sightings in Nevada
Speaker 2: to Arizona, triggering a flood of eyewitness counts from Prescott,
Speaker 2: from Prescott, Phoenix and beyond. His observation, often cited as
Speaker 2: the event's first official Arizona sighting, helped launch one of
Speaker 2: the most famous UFO cases in modern history. So he's
Speaker 2: not really a whole lot of details, but he describes
Speaker 2: it in a way that seems to align somewhat to
Speaker 2: everybody else's story. Wow, Okay, then we got your boy,
Speaker 2: Kurt Russell, the actor, and you know what, I'm not
Speaker 2: even gonna read that. We're just going to get to
Speaker 2: his actual testimony. And dude, it's actually pretty wild whenever
Speaker 2: you hear this story. But so Kurt Russell. Here we
Speaker 2: go right here. This is from Grunt. It says Kurt
Speaker 2: Russell reported the famed Phoenix Lights UFO sighting. Here we go.
Speaker 2: The Phoenix Lights, as they came to be known, have
Speaker 2: remained unexplained since that night, despite so many eyewitness reports
Speaker 2: at the time, they were a media sensation, especially in Phoenix,
Speaker 2: though according to KTAAR News, the sightings were initially treated
Speaker 2: as something of a joke. Fife Symington the governor of
Speaker 2: Arizona at the time, and after the sightings he held
Speaker 2: a tongue in cheek press conference with one of his
Speaker 2: staff members dressed like an alien. However, Simington went on
Speaker 2: to admit that he's seen the lights as well, and
Speaker 2: despite being a pilot hit pilot himself and being familiar
Speaker 2: with an array of aircraft, he had no explanation for
Speaker 2: the lights. Simington wasn't the only pilot who happened to
Speaker 2: see the Phoenix Lights. Another pilot was flying that evening
Speaker 2: and they spotted the anomaly above Phoenix. That pilot was
Speaker 2: none other than the actor Kurt Russell. So Kurt Russell
Speaker 2: is of course best known for as an actor, having
Speaker 2: appeared in a wide range of films from Escape to
Speaker 2: New York to The Hateful Eight to Miracle. In addition
Speaker 2: to acting, Russell was also at one point a professional
Speaker 2: baseball player. All Right, who gives a fuck? I mean
Speaker 2: that's cool, but wait, he really yeah, he played in
Speaker 2: the Single and Double a Ball in the nineteen seventies.
Speaker 4: I had no idea, but all right, who would.
Speaker 2: Have thought.
Speaker 8: So?
Speaker 2: According to a pudget Sound business journal, Kurt Russell had
Speaker 2: been flying for decades and has owned a variety of aircraft,
Speaker 2: including biplanes and gliders, and was even known to try
Speaker 2: his hand at performing acrobatic maneuvers. Russell was also known
Speaker 2: to fly himself and his longtime partner Goldie Hahn to
Speaker 2: vacation hotspots like Aspen, British Columbia, and Palm Springs. According
Speaker 2: to Golf Hotel Whiskey, I guess that's an article. Russell
Speaker 2: stated in an interview with airport Journals that flying was
Speaker 2: in his blood, as his grandfather was an experienced pilot
Speaker 2: who at one point even served as a test pilot
Speaker 2: for billionaire Howard Hughes's Hughes Aircraft company. That's interesting, Howard Hughes.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's said to be like Tony Stark's dad
Speaker 2: and the Iron Man stuff. Yeah, so Kurt Russell and
Speaker 2: the Phoenix Lights. In twenty seventeen, Kurt Russell was promoting
Speaker 2: the film Guardians of the Galaxy Volume two in an
Speaker 2: interview with the BBC when he recounted what happened to
Speaker 2: him on March thirteenth, nineteen seven, nineteen ninety seven. In
Speaker 2: the Sky's Over Phoenix. Russell was flying Han's son, Oliver Hudson,
Speaker 2: to visit his girlfriend. I was flying him to go
Speaker 2: see his girlfriend and we were on approach. I saw
Speaker 2: six lights over the airport in an absolute uniform, in
Speaker 2: a V shape. Oliver said to me, I was just
Speaker 2: looking at him. I was coming in. Maybe we were
Speaker 2: half a mile out, and Oliver said, Pap, what are
Speaker 2: those lights? And you know what, Fuck it. We're not
Speaker 2: going to read it. We're just gonna hear it from
Speaker 2: the man himself talk about the story. It's three minutes long.
Speaker 2: This is I think they're trying to promote the Guardians
Speaker 2: of the Guardians of the Galaxy movie volume two. So yes,
Speaker 2: Chris Pratt there. Kurt Russell is Chris Pratt's dad. He's
Speaker 2: like a god in this movie of course, of course,
Speaker 2: So here we go. It's three minutes long. Let's see
Speaker 2: may be able to help me? And who knows?
Speaker 15: Because this is an international story because of you both
Speaker 15: being here, I looked into the international files not covered
Speaker 15: by our Ministry of Defense, but maybe covered by yours.
Speaker 15: This took place in Arizona. An unidentified pilot, according to
Speaker 15: the press, cuttings, flying near an airport in Arizona with
Speaker 15: his son when he spotted six lights in the night sky.
Speaker 15: So he called from the airplane to air traffic control
Speaker 15: to say, I'm seeing.
Speaker 4: These lights here.
Speaker 15: I wasn't expecting any other planes. They're none's supposed to
Speaker 15: be on my landing path. Can you tell me what's
Speaker 15: going on? They said there are no other planes. He said,
Speaker 15: I'm seeing six bright lights coming towards me. Mystery unresolved,
Speaker 15: except I'll.
Speaker 16: Tell number for that plane was Bonanza two tangles see
Speaker 16: her and I was the pilot.
Speaker 17: No way, Oliver and I yes this podcast and say
Speaker 17: that in the brief I should have read to the end.
Speaker 16: Oliver and I were were flying and I was flying
Speaker 16: him to go see his girlfriend. And uh, we're on
Speaker 16: approach and I saw six lights over the airport.
Speaker 4: An absolute uniform in a V.
Speaker 16: Shape and I and Oliver said to me, I was
Speaker 16: just looking at him and I was coming in. We're
Speaker 16: maybe a half a mile out, and Oliver.
Speaker 4: Said, pauh, do you what is? What are those lights?
Speaker 16: And I and I then it kind of like came
Speaker 16: out of my reverie and I said, I don't know
Speaker 16: what they are. I said, he said, are we okay here?
Speaker 16: And I said yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna call him
Speaker 16: and I reported it and they said, we're not painting anything.
Speaker 16: We don't show anything. I said, well, okay, I'm I'm
Speaker 16: going to declare it's unidentified, it's flying and it's six objects.
Speaker 16: We landed, I taxied, dropped him off, took off, went
Speaker 16: back down. Never said a word.
Speaker 4: He never said a word. I never thought of it.
Speaker 4: Two years later, Goldie is.
Speaker 16: Watching a television show when I came home, and the
Speaker 16: show is on UFOs. But as I'm I came home,
Speaker 16: Hey how's it going? And I'm kind of hearing this
Speaker 16: to the TV going and I stopped and I started
Speaker 16: watching and it was on that event. Now that was
Speaker 16: the most that was the most viewed UFO event over
Speaker 16: twenty thousand people saw that, and I'm watching this and
Speaker 16: I'm feeling like Richard Dreyfuss in close Encounter the very count.
Speaker 12: It's like, why do I know this? You know what?
Speaker 16: And it's not clear to me. And finally I said,
Speaker 16: then they said the pilot reported it. A General Aviation
Speaker 16: pilot reported on landing. I had never thought of it
Speaker 16: since then, and I said, that was me, that was me,
Speaker 16: And I said, wait a minute, I'll go to my logbooks.
Speaker 16: So I went to my logbooks and there was the
Speaker 16: flight at that time, and I didn't mention anything about
Speaker 16: the UFO. The fascinating part of that to me is
Speaker 16: that it would just went literally out of my head.
Speaker 16: And Oliver never mentioned it, and had I not seen
Speaker 16: that show, I'd never thought of it again.
Speaker 13: That to me was the weird part.
Speaker 16: Chris, Yes, yes, it's just unidentified. It's flying, and it's
Speaker 16: it's an object.
Speaker 4: It's an object moving towards you.
Speaker 2: At this we need to move on. So there's Kurt
Speaker 2: Russell's memory of the phenomena.
Speaker 4: That is crazy.
Speaker 3: And you think that like if they were to say
Speaker 3: amateur pilot Kurt Russell called in the lights, you feel
Speaker 3: like that would actually add to the story, but I
Speaker 3: guess air traffic control they don't use names on radios,
Speaker 3: so they would just say they use call signs and like,
Speaker 3: like you said, the tail number of the plane, and
Speaker 3: like that's typically what it is. That's it. You would
Speaker 3: never know what the pilot's name was. But I feel
Speaker 3: like that actually adds another level to this story.
Speaker 4: Dude.
Speaker 2: I think it does. Shout out to Kurt Russell. He's
Speaker 2: a fucking real one, a handsome devil too, isn't he
Speaker 2: even in.
Speaker 4: This old garage ages like fucking fine wine, that asshole,
Speaker 4: I swear.
Speaker 2: Yeah, dude. So that that's the Kurt Russell part. Then
Speaker 2: there is another one. This is from uh doctor Lynn
Speaker 2: d and I'm gonna butcher her last name. It's k
Speaker 2: I t e I kit t I. What did you say,
Speaker 2: k I t I k I t e I kitie okay, keith,
Speaker 2: I don't know. She says it. We're gonna We're gonna
Speaker 2: hear her message. So this is just kind of a
Speaker 2: glance over. But doctor Lynn was a respected physician, not
Speaker 2: some fringe researcher. She witnessed the lights multiple times, photographed them,
Speaker 2: and eventually became the face of the Phoenix Lights through
Speaker 2: her book and documentary called The Phoenix Lights, We Are
Speaker 2: Not Alone. Her transformation from skeptic to believer gave the
Speaker 2: phenomena credibility. She argued that the lights were not were
Speaker 2: not only real, but they were purposeful and a message
Speaker 2: of cosmic significance. So that's interesting. We're gonna get a
Speaker 2: little bit more on her. We actually have a video
Speaker 2: interview of her speaking. Then there is this is another
Speaker 2: interesting one, which is Francis Barwood. She's a whistleblowing councilwoman.
Speaker 2: So Phoenix City Councilwoman Francis Emma Barwood was the only
Speaker 2: public official who demanded an investigation, and instead of answers,
Speaker 2: she was ridiculed. Barwood received over seven hundred calls from witnesses,
Speaker 2: many of them begging for their stories to be heard,
Speaker 2: yet the city tried to silence her. Why would officials
Speaker 2: bury a story if it was just flares?
Speaker 4: Right? That also doesn't check out.
Speaker 2: It doesn't, it doesn't. So we're gonna hear a little
Speaker 2: bit more on all these people. One of the more
Speaker 2: crazy things so in Arizona around this time you had
Speaker 2: it was a high tech research center in Tempe that
Speaker 2: was called Village Labs, and it was run by this
Speaker 2: guy named Jim Dilltoso, right, and this is one of
Speaker 2: the craziest parts of the entire story. The Men in
Speaker 2: Black make an appearance in this episode.
Speaker 3: Of course they do, but what did they name, what
Speaker 3: their agency was? They're just government official Agent Smith and
Speaker 3: Agent Smith.
Speaker 2: I will say the timing is very strange. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is the first time I believe that the actual
Speaker 2: Men in Black are ever talked about. And so this came.
Speaker 2: This happened in March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, right, like
Speaker 2: this whole Phoenix Light situation. He was documenting a lot
Speaker 2: of that information. Of all of the reports, if you
Speaker 2: ever had any kind of UFO report, it always went
Speaker 2: to the Village Labs, like that's what they were known
Speaker 2: for right at that time. And he I guess he
Speaker 2: got his hands on some really good clear footage from
Speaker 2: this guy that we're going to talk about here in
Speaker 2: a minute, and allegedly the Men in Black came into
Speaker 2: Village Labs, took the tape, and the guy that actually
Speaker 2: took the actual footage of the clearest footage that was
Speaker 2: ever seen, was never seen again.
Speaker 4: Interesting how that works.
Speaker 2: Out, So allegedly, the Men in Black came in, took
Speaker 2: the tape first. A few days later they took the guy.
Speaker 2: Nobody ever heard from the fucking guy ever. Again, it
Speaker 2: was reported by multiple witnesses of these men in Black.
Speaker 2: By the way, it wasn't just one person. And so, yeah, dude,
Speaker 2: it's crazy that listen to this. You want to talk
Speaker 2: about coincidence, Maybe it's synchronicity. Maybe there is no such
Speaker 2: thing as coincidence. This happened March of nineteen ninety seven, right,
Speaker 2: this whole Phoenix light situation. In July of nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 2: the first Men in Black movie came out.
Speaker 12: Ah.
Speaker 4: Right, that is some pretty crazy timing.
Speaker 2: Crazy, right, So anyhow, let's get into it. Village Labs
Speaker 2: a high tech research center in Tempe, Arizona, where analysts
Speaker 2: Jim Delatoso studied Phoenix lights video footage. His spectral analysis
Speaker 2: concluded that the lights didn't match any known military flares
Speaker 2: or aircraft. This is what he did for a living
Speaker 2: bro And it wasn't spectrum analysis, he says, No, it's
Speaker 2: spectral analysis. So basically, you know, you put this data
Speaker 2: into a computer and it shows some kind of chart, right,
Speaker 2: and the charts are showing like, all right, are the
Speaker 2: the if it was flares, you should be able to
Speaker 2: see them at their highest burning peak all the way
Speaker 2: down to whenever they're like fading out right, and they're
Speaker 2: they're they're not always going to be in uniform. Like
Speaker 2: some of them are gonna burn out a little bit faster,
Speaker 2: some of them are gonna burn out a little bit slower,
Speaker 2: and they're gonna be kind of maneuvering, and they're kind
Speaker 2: of wild, you know, flarares acting with the wind, with
Speaker 2: the heat and all this shit, anything could really happen
Speaker 2: as far as the direction could go, as far as flares, right,
Speaker 2: he was saying that as for the spectral analysis goes
Speaker 2: that the flares were not the quote unquote flares, the
Speaker 2: lights in the sky were not acting in accordance, that
Speaker 2: they all seemed to be in perfect uniform, in perfect unison.
Speaker 2: So anyway, we're gonna get a little bit more to it,
Speaker 2: so to do. Village labs became a hub for whistleblowers, eyewitnesses,
Speaker 2: and even rumors of government agents sniffing around. For many
Speaker 2: it was ground zero of the truth movement. So there's
Speaker 2: Jim Dillsoto he's the or Dilla Toso. Rather, he's the
Speaker 2: founder of Village Labs. He rose to media prominence after
Speaker 2: the March thirteen, nineteen ninety seven Phoenix light sightings by
Speaker 2: asserting that the phenomena could not be explained by flares, aircraft,
Speaker 2: or any known human made sources. He claimed that through
Speaker 2: sophisticated optical analysis of videotapes and he had eliminated conventional
Speaker 2: explanations and deemed the lights like no known light produced
Speaker 2: by mankind. The guy does this shit for a living,
Speaker 2: he says, never seen it before. It's crazy. At Village
Speaker 2: Lights or Village Labs, rather a studio like facility with
Speaker 2: a bank of computers and visual processing tools, Dilettoso demonstrated
Speaker 2: what he described as spectral analysis of the video footage,
Speaker 2: comparing brightness profiles of various light sources such as street lights,
Speaker 2: known flares, and the mysterious Phoenix lights. He argued that
Speaker 2: the differing graph outputs confirmed the lights were anomalous. However,
Speaker 2: this analysis drew drew strong criticism from the scientific community.
Speaker 2: Experts including doctor Paul Scowen of Arizona State University and others,
Speaker 2: asserted that what Dilatoso was actually producing were merely brightness
Speaker 2: histograms pixel intensity profiles, not true spectral data. That's what
Speaker 2: the quote unquote experts say. Scowsize that it's physically impossible
Speaker 2: to derive frequency spectral information from a basic brightness profile
Speaker 2: captured on videotape by consumer grade equipment. Wan Astrotomer bluntly
Speaker 2: dismissed his methodology as bullshit, highlighting the clear misunderstanding of
Speaker 2: the underlying imaging science, and then on Coast to Coast
Speaker 2: AM Radio one of the best shout out rip he
Speaker 2: made a radio This Dila Toso guy made a radio
Speaker 2: appearance on June nineteen ninety seven, so just a few
Speaker 2: months after the event, Dila Toso laid out his understanding
Speaker 2: of the events. He described multiple distinct sightings that evening,
Speaker 2: starting just after eight sixteen PM, when bright orbs variously
Speaker 2: compared to hot air balloons or aircraft lights moved south
Speaker 2: over Phoenix in a v formation, sometimes appearing translucent or
Speaker 2: star obstructing. He dismissed the flare hypothesis, stating that the
Speaker 2: National Guard categorically denied deploring any flares that evening. Dilatoso
Speaker 2: characterized the media's merging of the unrelated light events into
Speaker 2: one extended scare narrative and argued instead that the lights
Speaker 2: were four separate phenomena, not a one hundred and six
Speaker 2: minute single event. Okay, that's interesting, m.
Speaker 4: M andre turned six minutes, I learned six minutes.
Speaker 3: Yet somehow these flares only burned for a max of
Speaker 3: five but okay.
Speaker 2: In a more recent take, filmmaker Patrick James, who I
Speaker 2: gave a shout out in the beginning of the episode,
Speaker 2: interviewed Dila Toso for his Phoenix Lights documentary, reported that
Speaker 2: shortly after their meeting, Dilatoso urged him not to dig deeper,
Speaker 2: especially when it came to the mysterious men in black
Speaker 2: reports and the disappearance of footage from eyewitnesses from eyewitness
Speaker 2: Richard Curtis, who was the guy that got the footage
Speaker 2: and that disappeared along with the footage, Dilo Toso said,
Speaker 2: do not dig deeper into that. So he's scared, didn't
Speaker 2: want to say why. James noted that Dila Toso appeared
Speaker 2: anxious and evasive when the sensitive topics were raised, even
Speaker 2: contradicting himself on whether such operatives had visited Village Labs.
Speaker 2: So in watching that documentary. You can hear him being interviewed, right,
Speaker 2: and at first he's like, oh, I don't believe in
Speaker 2: men in black. You believe in men in black or
Speaker 2: men in pink or ladies in pink or whatever. And
Speaker 2: then and so he was like, you know, making a
Speaker 2: mockery of it at first, and then he goes on
Speaker 2: to say, don't dig any deeper into that. Don't do
Speaker 2: it like scared, like not just saying don't dig any deeper.
Speaker 2: It's a fucking don't know. No, he was like, I'm
Speaker 2: telling you, for your own safety, don't dig into it.
Speaker 4: Homeboy, he got got God.
Speaker 2: Got yeah, hain't no more record of Homie, not Dilatoso,
Speaker 2: but the other guy. So then there is Tom King,
Speaker 2: who was a desert skywatcher, so he's an amateur skywatcher.
Speaker 2: Tom King set up a long term monitoring of Phoenix
Speaker 2: skies after the incident. He documented hours of footage and
Speaker 2: became one of the most consistent independent investigators. While many
Speaker 2: were dismissed as cranks, King's persistence preserved visual records that
Speaker 2: still fuels debate today. So Tom King was actively skywatching
Speaker 2: for UFOs on that night and as fate would have it,
Speaker 2: he captured what has become one of the most compelling
Speaker 2: video documents of the Phoenix Lights events. Stationed outside with
Speaker 2: a camera, King recorded a strange aerial phenomena as they
Speaker 2: unfolded above him, creating a first hand visual record that
Speaker 2: continues to circulate widely among UFO researchers and enthusiasts. Over
Speaker 2: the years, he has shared insights into the event via
Speaker 2: podcast interviews. There was an episode that he went on
Speaker 2: called Phoenix Lights a UFO hotspot that specifically highlights his
Speaker 2: extens of interest in the phenomena, his first hand perspective
Speaker 2: on the airspace over Phoenix, and his long standing dedication
Speaker 2: to documenting unidentified aerial events. According to commentary from the
Speaker 2: UFO community, King remains convinced that his footage does not
Speaker 2: depict flares, despite some interpretations suggesting otherwise. He has consistently
Speaker 2: maintained that what he recorded was something entirely different, distinctive,
Speaker 2: and unexplained. His video, often referenced simply as the Tom
Speaker 2: King video, has become a cornerstone of visual evidence in
Speaker 2: the Phoenix Lights discourse. Prize for its clarity and ground
Speaker 2: based observational perspective. So We're gonna get a little bit
Speaker 2: more on Tom King and his footage. Hell yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to like outline all the main characters
Speaker 2: so far. Then there is David Parker. This one's wild
Speaker 2: and we have a video of him talking as well.
Speaker 2: So eyewitnessed. David Parker claims that he was directly beneath
Speaker 2: the craft, a mere thirty feet below the lights. He
Speaker 2: was only thirty feet below it, or the lights were
Speaker 2: thirty feet above them.
Speaker 4: Right, That's an interesting one.
Speaker 3: Most the best we've got thus far as to say
Speaker 3: that it was like one hundred and fifty feet in
Speaker 3: the air, give or take one right, right, like on
Speaker 3: top of a building or something as they flew over well,
Speaker 3: it says.
Speaker 2: His descriptions give a chilling detail, giant, silent, and otherworldly.
Speaker 2: Parker's account remains one of the most dramatic close encounters
Speaker 2: tied to the Phoenix Lights and has been retold in
Speaker 2: countless interviews and podcasts. So He's a longtime nurse and
Speaker 2: hospice caregiver, recounted that on the night of March thirteenth,
Speaker 2: as he was driving from Mesa toward Phoenix, he encountered
Speaker 2: something extraordinary a massive boomerang shaped craft driving slowly in
Speaker 2: the sky or drifting slowly in the sky. When he
Speaker 2: exited the freeway, the object, which was gun metal gray
Speaker 2: and gently reflective, floated directly overhead. He described the underside
Speaker 2: as being covered in thousands of oval indentations like thumb prints,
Speaker 2: and estimated the craft spanned a mile to a mile
Speaker 2: and a half from wingtip to wingtip. Good God, that
Speaker 2: thing's massive, whoa filling approximately seventy percent of the horizon
Speaker 2: from his perspective. Despite its colossal size, it emitted no
Speaker 2: sound and created no wind disturbance. Parker shared that he
Speaker 2: initially spoke openly about his sighting but later shut up
Speaker 2: about it after the event was downplayed during Governor Singmonton's
Speaker 2: press briefing. Which will show that abomination here in a
Speaker 2: little bit, so getting two the government the Governor's flip
Speaker 2: Fife Simington so then Governor Fife Simington mocked the incident
Speaker 2: at first, holding a press confidence a press conference with
Speaker 2: a staffer in an alien costume, but years later he
Speaker 2: admitted the truth He saw the massive craft himself. Simmington
Speaker 2: called it enormous and inexplicable, and criticized the government's lack
Speaker 2: of transparency. It's like you were the governors. But his
Speaker 2: flip flop remains one of the most damning signs that
Speaker 2: officials knew more than they let on.
Speaker 4: So yeah, absolutely, let's.
Speaker 2: Get over to that. Now. This is fucking wild dude.
Speaker 2: All right, so Fife, Symington, here we go. This is
Speaker 2: your boy. We don't need to read the whole Wikipedia
Speaker 2: on him or anything like that. I just wanted to
Speaker 2: pull it up because whenever I was doing research, so Fife,
Speaker 2: this is whenever he's making a mockery of it. And right,
Speaker 2: it's only thirty five seconds long, but check it out, dude,
Speaker 2: the pot and he went to humorous and controversial lengths.
Speaker 13: Not to stir the pods.
Speaker 4: He held a news.
Speaker 2: Conference after the Phoenix lights to announce the mystery had
Speaker 2: been solid unity.
Speaker 18: And now I'll ask Officer Stein and his colleagues to
Speaker 18: escort the accused into the room so that we may
Speaker 18: all look upon the guilty party. Don't get him too
Speaker 18: close to me, please.
Speaker 2: You know, in the alien costume the governor's chief staff.
Speaker 18: Now this just goes to show that you guys are
Speaker 18: entirely too serious.
Speaker 19: UFO enthusiasts were not amused, especially since the governor was
Speaker 19: believed to have seen nothing.
Speaker 2: But now he's coming out, Yeah, made a joke of it,
Speaker 2: and you can tell that he was reading from a
Speaker 2: script whenever he was saying that. So, I mean, as
Speaker 2: most you know politicians do, it's nothing crazy that somebody's
Speaker 2: reads from a script. But if this is supposed to
Speaker 2: be a joke, why you need a script? You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 3: And as he's coming out about it years later, right,
Speaker 3: they're showing what his initial stance was, and now they're saying, yeah,
Speaker 3: now he's actually coming out and talking more realistically about it.
Speaker 3: But I'm sorry, bro, you went on record publicly calling
Speaker 3: everybody you know out being like, y'all, y'all are too serious, y'all,
Speaker 3: y'all worry. Here's the guilty party right here with these
Speaker 3: tall alien types.
Speaker 4: Bro.
Speaker 2: What Yeah. Yeah, Supposedly it was part of his annual joke,
Speaker 2: but everybody that knew him said, no, this guy never
Speaker 2: made jokes. He was always serious about everything. And if
Speaker 2: it was an annual summer joke, this was the first
Speaker 2: time he's ever done it.
Speaker 3: An annual summer joke in the month of March, right, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, Well this was I think like a month or
Speaker 2: two after, because they, like the whole state remained completely
Speaker 2: silent on what it was, and people were waiting on him,
Speaker 2: Like so all the researchers were all coming together and
Speaker 2: like they were all corroborating information and everything, and they
Speaker 2: were waiting on the government, on the governor to talk
Speaker 2: about it, right, and they were like had high hopes
Speaker 2: for it because oh my god, I was just a
Speaker 2: witness to the craziest UFO event in world history, and
Speaker 2: then this fucking guy comes and makes a mockery out
Speaker 2: of everybody, and everybody's you know, essentially deflated after that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. He's he's a piece of shit.
Speaker 3: In my mind, even if he's coming out now, it's like, bro,
Speaker 3: you you publicly talked.
Speaker 4: Oh here we have him now talking about it.
Speaker 2: Cut to ten years after the summer joke. This is
Speaker 2: a five minute long video of him talking about he's
Speaker 2: a believer. He knows what he saw. It can't be explained.
Speaker 18: Okay, I'm five Simington. In nineteen ninety seven, during my
Speaker 18: second term as governor of Arizona, I saw something that
Speaker 18: defied logic and challenged my reality. I witnessed a massive
Speaker 18: delta shaped craft that silently navigated over the Squaw Peak
Speaker 18: area in North Phoenix in the evening, and it was
Speaker 18: truly breathtaking. To my astonishment, it appeared that it appeared
Speaker 18: to be a solid structure. It was huge, It had
Speaker 18: a very distinctive leading edge with embedded, huge embedded lights
Speaker 18: in it, and it was just traveling quietly, made no
Speaker 18: sound through the Arizona night sky. I still don't know
Speaker 18: what it was. As a pilot and a former Air
Speaker 18: Force officer, I can definitively say that this craft did
Speaker 18: not resemble any man made object that I'd ever seen,
Speaker 18: and it was certainly not high altitude flares as put
Speaker 18: out by the Air Force at Luke Air Force Base,
Speaker 18: because I've never seen flares fly in formation. The incident
Speaker 18: was witnessed by hundreds, if not thousands, of people in
Speaker 18: Americapa County and in southern Arizona, and my office was
Speaker 18: besieged with phone calls from very concerned citizens. The growing
Speaker 18: hysteria intensified when the story broke nationally, and so I
Speaker 18: decided to lighten the mood of the state and I
Speaker 18: called a press conference where I dressed up my chief
Speaker 18: of staff in a Martian outfit. It was meant to
Speaker 18: be a spoof, a good natured spoof that worked. We
Speaker 18: managed to lessen the sense of panic at the time,
Speaker 18: but I also upset quite a few of my constituents. Well,
Speaker 18: I'd like now to set the record straight. I never
Speaker 18: meant to ridicule anyone. My office did make inquiries as
Speaker 18: to the origin of the craft, but to this day
Speaker 18: they remain unanswered. Eventually, the Air National Guard claim responsibility,
Speaker 18: stating that their pilots had been dropping flares.
Speaker 13: They also another.
Speaker 18: Individual from Tucson said that a Tens had been flying
Speaker 18: in formation over Maricopa County. But those of us in
Speaker 18: the Air Force and those of you who know about
Speaker 18: a Tens, they're called the Warthog. It's a tank killing aircraft.
Speaker 18: Know that it's the noisiest machine in the sky. And
Speaker 18: there's no way that a flight of a Tens could
Speaker 18: come over Maricopa County and be quiet.
Speaker 4: That just doesn't work.
Speaker 18: So we get these explanations that fly in the face effects.
Speaker 18: Explanations like weather balloons, swamp gas, military flares, and hardware
Speaker 18: and software problems. I was never happy with this silly,
Speaker 18: silly explanation. There might there might very well have been
Speaker 18: military flares in the sky that evening, but that's sure
Speaker 18: wasn't I And what hundreds of my fellow citizens saw, well,
Speaker 18: I now know that I'm not alone in witnessing something extraordinary.
Speaker 18: That's the bottom line. There are many high ranking military,
Speaker 18: aviation and government officials, many of whom are here today,
Speaker 18: who share my concerns. Some of them have truly exceptional
Speaker 18: stories to tell. There's absolutely no doubt as to the
Speaker 18: veracity of what these men have told you. They have
Speaker 18: fought in wars, they have guarded top secret weapons, and
Speaker 18: they've flown countless passengers throughout the world's skies. Incidents like
Speaker 18: these are not going away. One year ago, Chicago's O'Hare
Speaker 18: Airport experienced a UFO event that made national and international headlines.
Speaker 18: Pilots and many other airline employees observed a metallic looking
Speaker 18: disc covering over the United Airlines terminal for several minutes,
Speaker 18: and then it shot straight up up into the sky
Speaker 18: cut a hole in the sky disappeared. The FAA apparently
Speaker 18: did not investigate dismiss the sightings as weather. We want
Speaker 18: the United States government to stop perpetuating the myth that
Speaker 18: all UFOs can be explained away down to earth in
Speaker 18: conventional terms. Instead, our country needs to reopen its official
Speaker 18: investigation that it shut down in nineteen sixty nine. The
Speaker 18: United States government can no longer shine an international dialogue
Speaker 18: about this phenomena, and we invite the government to work
Speaker 18: in cooperation with countries as represented on both sides of
Speaker 18: me here today, when it comes to events of this nature,
Speaker 18: dealing with the great unknown, we deserve I believe more
Speaker 18: openness and a serious pursuit of the facts by our government,
Speaker 18: Thank you very much.
Speaker 2: Okay, So this is the same guy that made a
Speaker 2: mockery and now is calling for the government to come clean.
Speaker 2: My thing is is that you had the opportunity to
Speaker 2: come clean, and you didn't. You decided to laugh at
Speaker 2: everybody and bring up a person in an alien costume
Speaker 2: and make it seem like it wasn't that big a deal.
Speaker 2: The problem is is that we always hear about politicians
Speaker 2: kind of not really having the control that we think
Speaker 2: that they have because of certain blackmail. Right, And how
Speaker 2: interesting is it that he was being charged with fraud
Speaker 2: such as I think, evading taxes and lying about his
Speaker 2: property value and stuff like that. How interesting and convenient
Speaker 2: is that he was in the middle of that whole scandal.
Speaker 2: He's boys with Bill Clinton. He then gets pardoned a
Speaker 2: couple of months after he makes the joke of the alien,
Speaker 2: and now all this sudden that he's not governor anymore,
Speaker 2: he's coming out and saying, I saw it with my
Speaker 2: own eyes. Don't lie to me, don't don't spin on me,
Speaker 2: and tell me it's raining.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so real quick.
Speaker 3: Also, something they said they kept saying earlier that these
Speaker 3: planes were I thought I heard them say thunderbirds. Now
Speaker 3: I'm hearing him say that it's the A ten Warthog.
Speaker 3: Did they in these previous articles say that it was
Speaker 3: a thunderbolt or a thunderbird thunderbolts.
Speaker 2: He said that that they were designed to take out
Speaker 2: like tanks or something like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know the A ten Warthog.
Speaker 3: Bro if you ever see the the memes of like
Speaker 3: the the cannon go, because that's what they do, right,
Speaker 3: and it's a whole thing. For the whole time, I
Speaker 3: thought we were talking about the thunderbird, which is a
Speaker 3: completely different air platform than the thunder bolt aka the warthog.
Speaker 3: That being said, either one of them to his point,
Speaker 3: are going to be loud as the fuck. There's no
Speaker 3: way that that's flying anywhere within a thousand feet of you,
Speaker 3: and you're not gonna know about it.
Speaker 2: Bro absolute absolutely silent in a clear, moonless sky. People
Speaker 2: that lived on the outskirt outskirts of Phoenix where it's
Speaker 2: always quiet in the middle of the desert said even
Speaker 2: still heard nothing. So I'm sorry, you can't say that
Speaker 2: it's aircraft, especially not the fucking ones that you're talking about,
Speaker 2: like the loudest pieces of machinery in the sky, and say, ah,
Speaker 2: that's all it was. Yes, sorry, it doesn't work.
Speaker 4: It does not.
Speaker 3: And so I looked up, is this something that the
Speaker 3: A ten platform carries that specific luminary slow burning flare?
Speaker 3: Like the government has said, yes, they can carry them.
Speaker 3: But again it even says in the description here the
Speaker 3: A ten pile of candle deploy these flares using the
Speaker 3: continually continuously computed release point or CCRP made to precisely
Speaker 3: drop them over a desired location. This is true, but
Speaker 3: again after ejection, a timer deploys a parachuting ignites the
Speaker 3: flare candle, which then burns as it slowly descends. We
Speaker 3: saw the pictures of what these flares look like when
Speaker 3: they are deployed and there's a smoke plume that follows them.
Speaker 3: And even in this description it talks about how this
Speaker 3: is to illuminate ground forces and to be careful about
Speaker 3: using them if you're also using mvgs, because they'll ruin
Speaker 3: your night vision. Now I don't mean ruins them like
Speaker 3: you'll never be able to use these mvgs. Again, what
Speaker 3: I'm saying is that if you're using mvgs and that
Speaker 3: thing goes off, it's gonna blind you. Your entire MVG
Speaker 3: is just gonna be bright green and you're not gonna
Speaker 3: be able to see shit. So it's it's used for
Speaker 3: ground forces to be able to see what they're doing
Speaker 3: at night.
Speaker 4: That's it. Can the A ten Warhall drop them? Yes?
Speaker 3: Is that what happened on this evening in question? Abs
Speaker 3: a fuckolutely?
Speaker 2: Not no way, no way.
Speaker 4: Now, the fact that.
Speaker 3: The governor has changed his story and is coming clean
Speaker 3: about it now I appreciate.
Speaker 2: Better than I do, better than non you know.
Speaker 4: Yes, However, my boy, it's not a good look.
Speaker 3: It's not a good look that you first tried to
Speaker 3: make jokes when the people wanted answers, and it's not
Speaker 3: a good look that you're flip flopping on it now.
Speaker 3: But I can at least give you the smallest bit
Speaker 3: of props for trying to come clean. But that's the
Speaker 3: damage is already done. You pissed off ten percent of
Speaker 3: your state by doing that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I'll give him a little bit of,
Speaker 2: you know, for redemption, but yeah, you can't go. I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: Like every shade that is thrown at him is is rightfully,
Speaker 2: so it's warranted. He did that to himself, so all right.
Speaker 2: So this is from the Discovery UK. It says some
Speaker 2: theories suggest that the V shape formation responsible for the
Speaker 2: Phoenix Arizona lights could could have been an ex experimental
Speaker 2: or military aircraft, possibly a stealth plane or other advanced
Speaker 2: secretive aviation technology. Proponents of this theory point to the
Speaker 2: size and silent operation of the object as indicative of
Speaker 2: experimental military objects unknown to the public at the time.
Speaker 2: These are theories. Even the government itself has said, no,
Speaker 2: it was these loud ass machineries, so couldn't have been
Speaker 2: some kind of stealth objects. Yeah, So, and then it
Speaker 2: points to the atmospheric conditions another explanation posits that certain
Speaker 2: atmospheric conditions on that night might have caused or contributed
Speaker 2: to the visibility of distant or conventional lights in unusual ways.
Speaker 2: This could involve temperature inversions or reflections from man made
Speaker 2: or natural sources, leading to illusions, misidentified celestial objects, or
Speaker 2: misinterpretations of natural phenomena as something more mysterious. This is
Speaker 2: where you get the idea of some people like to
Speaker 2: posit swamp gas. And I just I just want to say,
Speaker 2: have you ever been to fucking Arizona.
Speaker 4: Have you never heard of their quite famous swamp Jonathan.
Speaker 2: It's the desert where it is in the summer, and
Speaker 2: this was in March, so it's coming into spring. You're
Speaker 2: you're looking at eighty to ninety degrees, okay, and it's
Speaker 2: in the middle of the fucking desert. Swamp gas is
Speaker 2: not going to be seen over the course of three
Speaker 2: hundred miles.
Speaker 4: No to that point.
Speaker 3: Actually, when I was in Phoenix just a few months ago,
Speaker 3: it had rained two days prior to me landing. Keep
Speaker 3: in mind, I'm coming from Louisiana, where we have ninety
Speaker 3: five percent humidity on a dry day. Right, I get
Speaker 3: off the plane in Arizona, and everybody's like, God, it's
Speaker 3: so humid right now. It just rained a couple days ago,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, I'm sorry, what, this is the driest
Speaker 3: I have felt in years.
Speaker 2: At most they'll have like they'll have like ten percent
Speaker 2: humidity or fifteen percent or something like that.
Speaker 3: These people were acting like they were in fucking Vietnam, dude,
Speaker 3: with the humidity.
Speaker 4: I'm like, wait a minute.
Speaker 3: It rained, and even if it was a solid gully wash,
Speaker 3: that was two days ago, and you're in the desert.
Speaker 3: It has beyond dried since then. I saw no puddles
Speaker 3: on the ground. And these people got the au Dasy
Speaker 3: to complain about humidity, and then these fucks got the
Speaker 3: au Dacy to claim.
Speaker 4: That swamp gas is a thing in the fucking desert. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah. It's funny how perspective changes. Because so my whole family,
Speaker 2: we used to all live in Louisiana, right, and we
Speaker 2: stayed there for fifteen twenty years, and eventually everybody started
Speaker 2: to sparse out. My parents moved to Arizona. I eventually
Speaker 2: moved to Texas. But my parents who've now been living
Speaker 2: there for like eight or nine years in Arizona in
Speaker 2: Lake Havasu City, which at one point in time was
Speaker 2: known as the hottest place in the world. By the way,
Speaker 2: for a couple of years, it's like, on a regular basis,
Speaker 2: it'll get up to one twenty five uh and with
Speaker 2: no humidity at all, like crazy. But on days you.
Speaker 4: Can even imagine humidity around a lake like that's a
Speaker 4: conversation that we could at least have. But it's nothing
Speaker 4: compared to the Bayou humidity.
Speaker 2: No, not even close. But it's funny because my parents
Speaker 2: lived in Louisiana for that long and now that they've
Speaker 2: been living in Arizona for eight or nine years and
Speaker 2: it rains, they're like, oh, it's so humid out here.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wish it was only that humid, right.
Speaker 4: And it's so temporary too.
Speaker 3: It's no, there's there is no swamps in the Great
Speaker 3: State of Arizona. Okay, there's no swamp gas being omitted,
Speaker 3: And even if there was, it's not being omitted three
Speaker 3: hundred feet in the air in some discernible way. If anything,
Speaker 3: it's gonna dissipate to such a level to where it's
Speaker 3: negligible anything above.
Speaker 4: I would argue one hundred.
Speaker 2: Feet that's what I'm saying, and personally, that's why I
Speaker 2: love Arizona. I don't. I don't hate the heat. The
Speaker 2: heat doesn't bother me. The humidity whenever I feel like
Speaker 2: I gotta get goggles and a snorkeleron to go outside.
Speaker 2: That's why I can't stand the way Louisiana And to be honest,
Speaker 2: Texas ain't much fucking better now.
Speaker 3: I mean, I get it, but it depends on where
Speaker 3: in Texas. Right, the more west you go, the least
Speaker 3: humidity you get, the less I should say.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean outside of Houston, so it's pretty close
Speaker 2: to Louisiana.
Speaker 4: It's not for everybody.
Speaker 3: I understand why people can't get down with the heat
Speaker 3: plus the humidity. For me, this is, this is my environment.
Speaker 3: I'm wearing a hoodie right now. It's fucking it's it
Speaker 3: just left August. We're still hot as soll it's like
Speaker 3: one hundred and six degrees outside. Irock a flannel in
Speaker 3: jeans year round. I love this shit, but I understand
Speaker 3: that I am the outlier, like I'm not normal. Even
Speaker 3: people that live here their whole lives think that I'm
Speaker 3: a psycho. So I get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sorry. I just don't want to go outside
Speaker 2: into a terrarium personally, it's just not my flavor.
Speaker 4: I love the jungle dog, I love the swamp.
Speaker 2: So it does, it says. The most popular and controversial
Speaker 2: theory is that the lights of Phoenix were from one
Speaker 2: or more alien spacecraft. This theory revolves around the size, formation,
Speaker 2: and flight characteristics of the lights. The lack of sound,
Speaker 2: combined with the apparent coordinated movement of the lights, fuel
Speaker 2: speculation about technology beyond human capabilities outside of our current
Speaker 2: understanding of the laws of physics.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so that.
Speaker 3: Actually sounds way more probable to me given all the information.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying, dude. And nobody's saying that aliens
Speaker 2: came out or anything like that. So it's not like
Speaker 2: anything super wild, you know. We're just talking about seeing
Speaker 2: something strange up in the sky that is unexplainable, and
Speaker 2: the explanation from said experts are bunk as fuck. U.
Speaker 2: So then, oh, this is what's interesting. These are all
Speaker 2: of the different theories. One of them is psychological or
Speaker 2: social phenomena. This is my favorite one because it points
Speaker 2: to looking at everybody like you peasants, don't even know
Speaker 2: what you're looking at you. Just tripping. Everybody's having a
Speaker 2: collective trip. That's all you're doing, it says. Some researchers
Speaker 2: propose that the Phoenix lights can be partly explained by
Speaker 2: psychological phenomena such as mass hysteria or the power of suggestion.
Speaker 2: This ball squarely in the they saw what they wanted
Speaker 2: to see category. According to this theory, the initial reports
Speaker 2: of lights could have influenced subsequent observers to perceive mundane
Speaker 2: phenomena as extraordinary, especially in the context of a highly
Speaker 2: publicized event.
Speaker 3: Right, mass hallucination. There we go go ahead and discredit
Speaker 3: people even further.
Speaker 4: You know how people love when you do that.
Speaker 2: Unfucking real.
Speaker 3: So wow, I mean, Eve, the fucking balls on these people,
Speaker 3: balls balls, That's my question for that, not just to
Speaker 3: the writers of this article, but like to the people
Speaker 3: who are so easy to dismiss thousands, by the numbers,
Speaker 3: ten percent of Arizona, so arguably hundreds of thousands of
Speaker 3: eyewitness testimonies that know what they saw and know what
Speaker 3: they did.
Speaker 4: Not see and did not hear and did not experience
Speaker 4: in the length of.
Speaker 3: Time, and all of this to everybody who's trying to
Speaker 3: discredit them I have a question the balls, Where do
Speaker 3: you find them?
Speaker 4: Where do you find the actual balls?
Speaker 3: To smirge hundreds of thousands of people in one foul swoop,
Speaker 3: that's incredible to me.
Speaker 2: To quote Tyreek Hill, wide receiver of the Miami Dolphins,
Speaker 2: whenever he was talking about his head coach, whatever, McDaniel's something, McDaniels,
Speaker 2: he goes, we're gonna need a will Barrol because the
Speaker 2: size of those nuts are too big to carry.
Speaker 4: It's okay, insane, it's insulting at the best.
Speaker 2: It is insulting. Another theory is it's an elaborate hoax.
Speaker 2: A more skeptical approach suggests that the entire event could
Speaker 2: have been an elaborate hoax or series of optical illusions.
Speaker 2: This could involve the strategic use of flares, balloons, or
Speaker 2: other devices to create the illusion of a UFO, although
Speaker 2: the coordinated execution over such a wide area would have
Speaker 2: been challenging. Each of these theories attempts to explain the
Speaker 2: lights over the Phoenix phenomenon, but none have definitively ended
Speaker 2: ended the speculation. The Phoenix lights manny topic of fascination
Speaker 2: and debate within the UFO community and among the general public.
Speaker 2: It says, despite the official explanation, the nature of the
Speaker 2: lights that danced over the Arizona Nightskuy in March nineteen
Speaker 2: ninety seven continues to spark speculation and for some fuels
Speaker 2: the imagination about what might be the what might be
Speaker 2: possible in the vast unexplored reaches of the universe. So
Speaker 2: there's that. I wanted to just go over that right quick.
Speaker 2: Nextly I want to go over this website. This website's
Speaker 2: freaking awesome. I'm a big fan. This is South Coast
Speaker 2: PARANORMALUK dot com. So a big shout out to them. Okay,
Speaker 2: guy that wrote this named Dennis wrote this in twenty
Speaker 2: twenty four. Shout out to Denny. Here we go. This
Speaker 2: is like, you know, probably some kind of AI rendition.
Speaker 2: That's not what they saw. But usually that's like, oh
Speaker 2: it's not AI. This is I believe this was the
Speaker 2: cover for Old Girl's book that she wrote.
Speaker 3: Well, when I looked up what these flares looked like,
Speaker 3: this was an image that was shown. So I don't
Speaker 3: know if this is like a light show that was
Speaker 3: being put on fireworks flares or what, but yeah, this
Speaker 3: doesn't it's a image. This particular image. Is that exact
Speaker 3: one or what? Maybe this is an AI rendition of
Speaker 3: an event or something like that.
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not a real picture. This is like
Speaker 2: an artist's rendition. But this is an interesting one, it says.
Speaker 2: He strolled down the deserted Arizona road. The desert air
Speaker 2: was still in cool, and the stars above scattered like
Speaker 2: distant embers. A strange hush fell over the night. Even
Speaker 2: the unusual or even the usual chirping of crickets seemed
Speaker 2: to vanish. Then he saw it, a silent, massive triangular
Speaker 2: craft gliding across the sky, its black surface blending seamlessly
Speaker 2: with the darkness save for numerous faintly glowing orbs that
Speaker 2: lined its edges and underside. It moved with eerie precision,
Speaker 2: blocking out the stars as it passed overhead. The sheer
Speaker 2: size of it made his stomach churn. It was unlike
Speaker 2: anything that he could imagine as man made. He stood
Speaker 2: rooted to the spot, every hair on his body standing
Speaker 2: on end, as low or as a low, almost imperceptible
Speaker 2: hum vibrated through his chest. Within moments, the craft disappeared
Speaker 2: beyond the horizon, leaving the night eerily silent. Once more,
Speaker 2: left with a racing heart, he felt a paradigm shift
Speaker 2: within him, and he asked himself, were their secrets in
Speaker 2: the stars that humanity was never meant to uncover. The
Speaker 2: Phoenix Lights incident is one of the most famous and
Speaker 2: well documented mass UFO sightings in modern history. It took
Speaker 2: place the night of March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, and
Speaker 2: has been a subject of intrigue, controversy, and debate ever since.
Speaker 2: So this was the newspaper. Obviously that's not what they saw,
Speaker 2: but that's how people described it. And we're going to
Speaker 2: skip over some of the things that we had already
Speaker 2: read about doctor Lynn. We're going to get into her
Speaker 2: a little, not get into her. I don't want to
Speaker 2: say it like that, but well, she's an older gal.
Speaker 2: I don't want to kill her, you know, she's so
Speaker 2: then we get into Symington and his famous fake alien
Speaker 2: coming up on the news report years later, he talked about,
Speaker 2: you know he did see it, why he didn't speak
Speaker 2: up initially?
Speaker 4: Here we go.
Speaker 2: Simmington explained that he didn't reveal his own sighting at
Speaker 2: the time because he didn't want to cause panic, and
Speaker 2: he believed that it was not his place as the
Speaker 2: governor to add to the hysteria. He felt the need
Speaker 2: to be cautious with what he said publicly, especially given
Speaker 2: the nature of his role and the situation. Over time,
Speaker 2: he realized the significance of what he had witnessed. He
Speaker 2: came to believe that the government should be more transparent
Speaker 2: about UFO sightings and phenomena. He expressed his support for
Speaker 2: a more serious investigation into the incident and encourage the
Speaker 2: public to keep an open mind about the possibility of
Speaker 2: extraterrestrial visitation. Simmington's omission in two thousand and seven was
Speaker 2: a pivotal moment for those who believe that the Phoenix
Speaker 2: Lights represented something more than Flarir's or military activity. As
Speaker 2: a former governor and someone who was in the office
Speaker 2: at the time of the event, his testimony gave the
Speaker 2: citing greater credibility for many UFO enthusiasts. Simmington's shift from
Speaker 2: skepticism and mockery to openly acknowledge acknowledging that he had
Speaker 2: witnessed something inexplicable was seen as a significant endorsement of
Speaker 2: the idea that the Phoenix Lights were not just a
Speaker 2: mundane event. His involvement also raised questions about whether there
Speaker 2: was more information that the government or military might have
Speaker 2: had about the Phoenix Lights that night that was not
Speaker 2: being shared with the public. Simmington Simington, even though he
Speaker 2: was the governor, claimed to have no more knowledge about
Speaker 2: the official explanation than anyone else, which further fueled speculation
Speaker 2: about a cover up. Simmington's legacy, It says after coming
Speaker 2: forward with his sighting, Simmington became a prominent figure in
Speaker 2: the UFO community. He appeared in documentaries and interviews where
Speaker 2: he continued to speak about the Phoenix Lights as in
Speaker 2: the broader question of UFOs and government transparency. His transformation
Speaker 2: from a governor who mocked the event to one of
Speaker 2: the most high profile witnesses to admit to seeing the
Speaker 2: lights as a testament to the complexities of how UFO
Speaker 2: phenomena are handled by public officials.
Speaker 3: Really, because it sounds more like Richard Dody to me, exactly.
Speaker 3: He literally led a guy into the insane asylum from
Speaker 3: the operations that he conducted to prove that he was
Speaker 3: crazy when he thought he was talking to aliens and
Speaker 3: he was and whatever, and then all the other side
Speaker 3: of that he flips and now he's a big proponent
Speaker 3: of well, aliens are real, and you know, the majority
Speaker 3: of the public has pretty much everything right. And I
Speaker 3: would know because I used to falsify the documents and
Speaker 3: lie to the public for a living, and all, yeah, bro, what.
Speaker 2: Then you get into the law enforcement officials we were
Speaker 2: talking about what's his name? From Paulden, it says several
Speaker 2: police officers across Arizona reported seeing the lights, and their
Speaker 2: testimonies are often considered particularly reliable because of their professional training.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you can be trained professionally as
Speaker 2: looking at UFOs, but it says.
Speaker 4: I'm about to say, what the fuck is that even
Speaker 4: supposed to mean?
Speaker 3: Like, yeah, they write up reports a lot, like a
Speaker 3: five minute encounter with the police officer very well might
Speaker 3: be an hour's worth of paperwork of them writing step
Speaker 3: by step of what happened. But it's not like they
Speaker 3: get some sort of like extra super critical training to
Speaker 3: be able to point out anomalies in the sky. They're
Speaker 3: not like air traffic controllers or even night watchers, Like
Speaker 3: what the fuck were talking about?
Speaker 2: That's a weird thing to say. Yeah, yeah, So, it
Speaker 2: says some officers in places like Phoenix Glendell and Prescott
Speaker 2: Valley have made official reports about the sighting. Law enforcement's
Speaker 2: involvement helped to aid credibility to the event, as they
Speaker 2: provided detailed and consistent descriptions of what they saw that night.
Speaker 2: Although the military later explained part of the event as
Speaker 2: flares dropped during a training exercise, some former military personnel
Speaker 2: and pilots have since come forward to challenge the official narrative.
Speaker 2: And you'll see right here this is a newspaper article
Speaker 2: says months later, Arizona still puzzles over the mysterious lights
Speaker 2: in the sky. Well, why would you still be puzzled?
Speaker 2: There was already an official explanation, right.
Speaker 3: That holds no fucking water when you look at it critically.
Speaker 3: But yeah, for sure, so it says.
Speaker 2: On March thirteenth, Sue Christen heard her husband call from outside,
Speaker 2: which is the video that we saw earlier, strange lights
Speaker 2: again in the sky. They had occasionally seen odd lights
Speaker 2: before from their home and from their home in North Phoenix,
Speaker 2: but these looked different. They were very bright, very large,
Speaker 2: amber or orange colored. She said. They almost looked flame like,
Speaker 2: although it wasn't. It wasn't the shape of a flame.
Speaker 2: Christen or Christen. I don't know how to say that
Speaker 2: isn't claiming to have seen a spacecraft, but she and
Speaker 2: her husband have always attributed previous sightings of odd lights
Speaker 2: to the Luke Air Force Base west to Phoenix. This
Speaker 2: particular night, they were farther to the east than they'd
Speaker 2: ever been before. People from Tucson in the south to
Speaker 2: Kingmen in the northwest called authorities and groups that track
Speaker 2: UFO sightings to report lights, many saying that they were
Speaker 2: in a boomerang formation. The event lasted one hundred and
Speaker 2: six minutes. They're saying that it wasn't two separate events,
Speaker 2: it was all one giant one. Air traffic controllers saw
Speaker 2: the lights, but their radar screens showed nothing, and officials
Speaker 2: dismissed the reports, which is usually what happens with UFO sightings,
Speaker 2: especially back with the technology of ninety seven. Right for sure,
Speaker 2: for sure, but the issue won't go away. It says
Speaker 2: you can't ignore something that happened. Something was out there,
Speaker 2: said Francis Emma Barwood, a Phoenix City councilwoman who wants
Speaker 2: an investigation. The most common description of the object, and
Speaker 2: the one captured on videotapes, was that of a huge
Speaker 2: V shaped odd object with seven lights. The most conservative
Speaker 2: estimate describes it as three football fields long. Computer analysis
Speaker 2: of tapes put it at six thousand feet more than
Speaker 2: a mile long. Observers said the object made no sound
Speaker 2: as it cruised thirty miles per hour over Phoenix, sometimes
Speaker 2: hovering in place. Weird, inexplicable, said Bill Grava, an air
Speaker 2: traffic controller working that night at Sky Harbor International Airport.
Speaker 2: I still don't know what to think, and I have
Speaker 2: no idea what it was. Something military, I guess, an
Speaker 2: air traffic controller just.
Speaker 4: Gonna say, I guess.
Speaker 3: Had no call sign, no tail numbers, no indications whatsoever.
Speaker 4: But must be something military. Obviously. That that goes against
Speaker 4: all logic.
Speaker 2: Okay, He and his father, an aeronautics engineer, could see
Speaker 2: the outline of a mass behind the lights, but you
Speaker 2: couldn't actually see the mass. Valentine said it was more
Speaker 2: like a gray, wavy distortion of the night sky. I
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what it was, but I know it's
Speaker 2: not a technology the public has ever heard of before.
Speaker 2: So oh wait, did I know? Yeah, that's right, so,
Speaker 2: Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center a private
Speaker 2: organization based in Seattle, said his office received hundreds of
Speaker 2: calls about that night. He said the reports were remarkably
Speaker 2: consistent in terms of time, location, and description. The incident
Speaker 2: over Arizona was the most dramatic I've seen, said Davenport,
Speaker 2: who brands most UFO reports hogwash, but not this one.
Speaker 2: What what what we have here is the real thing?
Speaker 2: They are here?
Speaker 4: Ah yeah, buddy, let's go.
Speaker 2: Dude, it says Barwood wrote to Senator John McCain, your boy,
Speaker 2: John McCain, that's your boy.
Speaker 3: Piece of fucking shit and Arizona if we yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just wanted to let you have your moment
Speaker 2: of time there.
Speaker 3: To speak about and stand him. But yeah, we're not
Speaker 3: gonna go on that soapbox right now. If anybody's curious
Speaker 3: why I have such a disdain for him, uh, look
Speaker 3: up the records of his time as a pow and
Speaker 3: look at how he screwed over all of them that
Speaker 3: were left.
Speaker 4: Behind years later into the eighties and nineties.
Speaker 2: But anyway, so Barwood wrote to John McCain, who was
Speaker 2: the Senator at that time, urging him to ask the
Speaker 2: Air Force to investigate. McCain forwarded the letter to the
Speaker 2: Air Force, but there was no reply. One private organization
Speaker 2: has investigated, however, Arizona State director of the Muffon Network,
Speaker 2: a band of five thousand investigators around the country, proclaimed
Speaker 2: it a UFO a distinction only about five percent of
Speaker 2: sightings earned from the group. I can't vouch for it
Speaker 2: being extraterrestrial. Tom Taylor said it could be military related,
Speaker 2: although I find it difficult to believe that military would
Speaker 2: let it fly around like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty wild.
Speaker 4: Then Jess scrambled.
Speaker 3: When they have all these reports from the ground, multiple
Speaker 3: people calling in, you're telling me that they sent nothing
Speaker 3: out there to investigate.
Speaker 4: That's literally their job, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I'll explain.
Speaker 4: To find that hard to believe.
Speaker 2: Then there's Mike Fortson. So at approximately eight thirty pm
Speaker 2: on March thirteenth, Mike Fortson was walking down his hallway
Speaker 2: when he noticed that the window was open. The weather
Speaker 2: was pleasant that evening, with a temperature of twenty three
Speaker 2: degrees celsius. Oh, it's the UK article that makes sense.
Speaker 3: British I'll want to see what the fuck twenty three
Speaker 3: degrees celsius is in freedom units.
Speaker 2: But all right, yeah, he said, twenty three degrees celsius,
Speaker 2: clear skies and no wind, a typical Arizona spring night,
Speaker 2: as confirmed by the local weather forecast.
Speaker 4: As he moved to seventy three and a half degrees.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's a nice evening. As he moved to close
Speaker 2: the window, something outside caught his attention. Three enormous, bright
Speaker 2: white lights angled downward, hovering unusually close to the ground.
Speaker 2: His first thought was that a plane was crashing. There
Speaker 2: was no way an aircraft could recover from such a
Speaker 2: low altitude or steep angle. The entire process, he later estimated,
Speaker 2: took no more than eight to ten seconds. Instead of
Speaker 2: the plane crash that they anticipated, Forts in and now
Speaker 2: with his wife present, were met with the sight of
Speaker 2: a colossal, silent object slowly guiding southward. The craft, shaped
Speaker 2: shaped like a massive v or boomerang, appeared solid and
Speaker 2: unmistakable against the backdrop of the illuminated Phoenix metro area.
Speaker 2: Its sheer size and proximity to the ground were overwhelming.
Speaker 2: Fortsn vividly remembering saying, what the hell is that? As
Speaker 2: the craft moved closer, a commercial seven thirty seven jetliner
Speaker 2: on a landing approach crossed directly overhead. The plane was
Speaker 2: flying from from west to east, seemingly unaware of the
Speaker 2: immense V shaped object passing beneath it. Interesting, right, because
Speaker 2: if that was a military thing, it would have definitely
Speaker 2: popped up on their radar and or air traffic control
Speaker 2: would have told them about it. But the seven thirty
Speaker 2: seven was acting as if it didn't see it. It
Speaker 2: wasn't reacting to it at all. And now most pilots
Speaker 2: are usually using their radar right like to be able
Speaker 2: to steer the plane. They're not even really looking out
Speaker 2: the window.
Speaker 4: I don't think, right, I mean, it depends.
Speaker 3: If it's during the daylight maybe, but not after a
Speaker 3: certain point. You're usually using your window to tell like
Speaker 3: your orientation as are coming into the runway or something,
Speaker 3: or if there's possibly something in the sky you're trying
Speaker 3: to avoid, which is rare because you could see it
Speaker 3: on radar far sooner than you could see it with
Speaker 3: your eyes. But especially at night, you are primarily flying
Speaker 3: off of your equipment rather than your eyesight.
Speaker 2: Right, And this was at a thirty at night, so
Speaker 2: it was dark. Yeah, but yeah, so the jet continued
Speaker 2: It's it's descent undisturbed as if neither the pilot nor
Speaker 2: the aircraft systems detected the enormous object below, so it
Speaker 2: was above the V shape. So that just goes to
Speaker 2: show that, like, it was pretty damn low. I mean,
Speaker 2: the seven thirty seven is usually flying at what like
Speaker 2: thirty thousand feet or something like that. I don't know
Speaker 2: if it was descending or going up. It was in
Speaker 2: the feet area, so maybe it was just taken off,
Speaker 2: but even still, at most it was thirty thousand feet
Speaker 2: in the air, and it was above the UFO itself.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so just.
Speaker 2: Want to count that out right, right. The couple stood
Speaker 2: in awe watching the silent, slow moving craft disappear into
Speaker 2: the distance. The experience left them deeply shaken and puzzled,
Speaker 2: as the mysterious object defied any conventional explanation. Fortson strongly
Speaker 2: rejected the official explanation offered later, which attributed the phenomena
Speaker 2: to military flares dropping during training exercises. He maintained that
Speaker 2: what he saw was not flares or lights behaving independently,
Speaker 2: but a structured craft with advanced technology far beyond anything
Speaker 2: known to humanity at the time. Yeah, yeah, buddy. The
Speaker 2: sighting left a lasting impression on Fortson, who described it
Speaker 2: as an extraordinary and life changing event. His consistent and
Speaker 2: detailed testimony remains one of the most credible accounts of
Speaker 2: the Phoenix Lights event, aligning closely with the experience of
Speaker 2: many other witnesses that night. Then, of course you have
Speaker 2: your boy Mitch Stanley, the twenty one year old, which
Speaker 2: we had talked about a little bit earlier, but let's
Speaker 2: just this is a little bit more detailed. So Mitch Stanley,
Speaker 2: a twenty one year old amateur astronomer from Phoenix, observed
Speaker 2: the lights through a powerful telescope on the night of
Speaker 2: March thirteenth. According to Stanley, what he saw were not
Speaker 2: alien craft, but rather a formation of planes flying in
Speaker 2: a V shaped pattern. Stanley said that through his telescope,
Speaker 2: the lights appeared to be attached to planes with visible
Speaker 2: wings and engines. He reported that what appeared too many
Speaker 2: as a single large V shaped object was actually a
Speaker 2: formation of into individual airplanes. Through his telescope, Stanley could
Speaker 2: clearly see that each light was paired positioned on the
Speaker 2: squarish wings of each aircraft. He noted that the planes
Speaker 2: seemed small, similar to light private planes, and observed them
Speaker 2: for about a minute before turning his attention elsewhere. His
Speaker 2: testimony is often cited by skeptics as evidence that the
Speaker 2: Phoenix light may have had conventional explanation, although his view
Speaker 2: was not corroborated by others who witnessed the event without magnification.
Speaker 2: His claim, however, mostly relates to the early sightings and
Speaker 2: not the stationary light scene later that night. So he
Speaker 2: was seeing the eight thirty one, not the ten o'clock one.
Speaker 2: But even still, he's the only person to say that,
Speaker 2: and his testimony is blasted everywhere else over everybody else's explanation.
Speaker 2: Explain that I out loud that wow makes no sense.
Speaker 2: Then there's the flare explanation that says. The US Air Force,
Speaker 2: after several months of public speculation, eventually stated that the
Speaker 2: light scene in the latter part of that night, particularly
Speaker 2: those hovering over Phoenix, were flares dropped by military aircraft
Speaker 2: during a training exercise. The training exercise took place at
Speaker 2: the Baryam Goldwater Range, a large military bombing range southwest
Speaker 2: of Phoenix. The flares, according to the Air Force, were
Speaker 2: dropped by a ten Wardhog aircraft from the Maryland Air
Speaker 2: National Guards one hundred and fourth Fighter squadron. The flares
Speaker 2: were part of a routine training mission, were dropped at
Speaker 2: a high, high altitude over the range, which is approximately
Speaker 2: eighty miles from Phoenix. The explanation suggested that atmosphere condition
Speaker 2: cause the lights from the flares to be visible over
Speaker 2: such a long distance and appear stationary to observers. I
Speaker 2: don't buy it. I don't buy it.
Speaker 3: I don't buy it at all, especially as people are
Speaker 3: saying that they saw it go from Nevada to Arizona.
Speaker 3: These lights are traversing hundreds of miles. That's not stationary for.
Speaker 2: One hundred and four minutes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not five minutes like if it was a flare.
Speaker 3: They're not blinking as if it was an aircraft. There's
Speaker 3: and I looked up what kind of experimental aircraft were
Speaker 3: being tested in nineteen ninety seven, and there were a few.
Speaker 3: There absolutely were a few. Nothing that would be doing
Speaker 3: what these were. Nothing that is quiet, nothing that would
Speaker 3: be flying this low, nothing that would have these types
Speaker 3: of lights on them, especially not in the night sky.
Speaker 3: Like none of it checks out with anything that brings
Speaker 3: up any kind of easily explainable human logic.
Speaker 2: And also it says, right there at the very beginning
Speaker 2: that the US Air Force, after several months of public speculation,
Speaker 2: eventually stated that the lights that were seen later that
Speaker 2: night were were flares dropped by military aircraft. Why would
Speaker 2: you need several months to say that it was just flares.
Speaker 2: You could have just.
Speaker 3: Said that if it was a secret training mission, which
Speaker 3: it wasn't. Operation Snowbird happens every year, right, And if
Speaker 3: you were to say that, like, yeah, they deployed their
Speaker 3: flares as a part of the training exercise to make
Speaker 3: sure that equipment is functioning properly, and all the stuff
Speaker 3: that's in the logs, that's and that's not like a
Speaker 3: secret that.
Speaker 4: They would test their flares.
Speaker 3: Why wouldn't they tell like that that's retarded, Like of course,
Speaker 3: if that's something that could be easily explained away, they
Speaker 3: would have come out with that instantly, been like oh, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: So look, here's what happened, y'all. There were these planes
Speaker 3: they were flying in this formation. Here were there maybe
Speaker 3: not even their call signs, because you don't want to
Speaker 3: like ouse the pilots, but you would say that these
Speaker 3: were the tail numbers or whatever else in a routine
Speaker 3: training exercise. They did deploy their flares over Phoenix. It
Speaker 3: happened because of this, and this. They could have done
Speaker 3: it in the desert, but at that time, this thing happened,
Speaker 3: and that's why they couldn't do it. So they dropped
Speaker 3: them when they felt it was the best that they could.
Speaker 3: No big deal, like it would have been such an
Speaker 3: easy thing that would have come out within Arguably two
Speaker 3: weeks from the Air Force public relations off the most,
Speaker 3: I would think got the most because again, if and
Speaker 3: the only reason I'm giving two weeks is just to
Speaker 3: make sure that they have all of their documentation and
Speaker 3: the story all lined up. Anytime that there's a military
Speaker 3: exercise going on and people in the local area are like,
Speaker 3: what the hell was that, usually it's only a couple
Speaker 3: of days. But I mean, let's just assume that maybe
Speaker 3: the pro the public relations officer was like out that
Speaker 3: week for you know, a vacation or something or whatever.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to give all leeway here. I'll even say
Speaker 4: up to.
Speaker 3: A month that they would have to where they would
Speaker 3: release a statement clarifying this. But no, none the official narrative, no,
Speaker 3: not several months and the story that they gave checks
Speaker 3: out in zero ways.
Speaker 2: Right, right, it says. While the flare explanation may address
Speaker 2: the lights scene later in the evening, many witnesses and
Speaker 2: researchers have criticized this explanation, particularly regarding the earlier sightings
Speaker 2: of the massive V shaped craft, and here are some
Speaker 2: of the key criticisms the timing. First of all, the
Speaker 2: flare explanation only addresses the light scene at ten PM,
Speaker 2: which were the only ones ever addressed. By the way,
Speaker 2: they never addressed the eight thirty sighting, which was the
Speaker 2: actual V shape formation.
Speaker 4: Right, so the.
Speaker 2: Ones that were seen at ten if it was two
Speaker 2: separate events, they are only describing the one scene at
Speaker 2: ten o'clock, not the earlier one. Why they just swept
Speaker 2: it out under the rug and nobody ever investigated it?
Speaker 4: Wow? Okay, it says.
Speaker 2: However, many witnesses reported seeing the large V shaped craft
Speaker 2: much earlier in the evening, around seven thirty to eight
Speaker 2: thirty PM, long before the flares were reportedly even dropped.
Speaker 2: These earlier sightings involved a structured object that blocked out
Speaker 2: stars and moved slowly and silently over a large area.
Speaker 2: The flare explanation does not account for this part of
Speaker 2: the of the event. Then, it says, flares typically drift
Speaker 2: and fall, whereas the lights seen earlier in the evening
Speaker 2: were described by witnesses as moving in a structured formation,
Speaker 2: sometimes at low altitudes across the state of Arizona. Many
Speaker 2: witnesses reported that the lights were attached to a solid,
Speaker 2: massive craft, and some even stated that they could see
Speaker 2: a dark shape blocking out the stars as the object
Speaker 2: passed overhead. Flares would not exhibit this kind of behavior.
Speaker 2: Then we get to the sound, says. Witnesses also noted
Speaker 2: that the lights or object that they saw made little
Speaker 2: to no noise. Flare's dropped by military aircraft would be
Speaker 2: accompanied by the sound of planes, Yet many witnesses described
Speaker 2: the event as eerily silent. Usually the sound whenever anybody
Speaker 2: sees a UFO, it's always crazy silent. And me and
Speaker 2: Seawan actually saw a UFO. I don't know what it was,
Speaker 2: but we saw UFO in Phoenix where he was living
Speaker 2: at the time, Owen Glendelle, basically Phoenix, I don't know,
Speaker 2: it was like ten years ago, fifteen years ago or
Speaker 2: something like that. And Shawn's a big boy bro like,
Speaker 2: Shawn's like six', three you, know a massive, guy, Right,
Speaker 2: Yeah and big fluffy teddy. Bear this guy fucking saw
Speaker 2: it and sprinted faster than any big Man i've ever
Speaker 2: seen trying to chase these these THIS. Ufo, right but
Speaker 2: that whole, time, dude it felt like we were in
Speaker 2: The Truman. Show like it was so silent and and
Speaker 2: other people were coming out.
Speaker 4: Too.
Speaker 2: Dude you couldn't hear any, bugs you couldn't hear any.
Speaker 2: Planes there was no sound to the wind or anything like.
Speaker 2: That and this is what most people say ABOUT ufo
Speaker 2: sightings is that it is so silent it's almost creepy every.
Speaker 4: Time, yeah the desert's like.
Speaker 2: That desert be like, That but even the slightest bit
Speaker 2: of wind is gonna make a, sound you know What i'm.
Speaker 3: Saying so sound travels in the desert at, night, dude
Speaker 3: there's no, way right that one report that that family
Speaker 3: said they can hear an engine for miles away as
Speaker 3: it's driving up the road before they can ever see it.
Speaker 4: Go that's real. Life that is how sound works in the,
Speaker 4: desert especially at. Night.
Speaker 2: One so it, says, yeah the lights are object that
Speaker 2: they saw made little to no. Sound flares dropped by
Speaker 2: military aircraft would be accompanied by the sound of, planes
Speaker 2: yet many witnesses described it as early. Silent this is
Speaker 2: particularly notable given the sheer size of the object reported by.
Speaker 2: Many then there's the shape in the, structure says THE
Speaker 2: v shape formation of lights seen earlier in the night
Speaker 2: was described as a solid craft by. Many some witnesses
Speaker 2: reported seeing a distinct triangular or boom range shaped. Object in,
Speaker 2: contrast flares are individual points of light with no connection
Speaker 2: to a larger. Structure the flare explanation doesn't account for
Speaker 2: this part of the. Sighting then there's the duration within
Speaker 2: flare Or while flares can remain visible for several, minutes
Speaker 2: they would not remain stationary for the prolonged periods described by.
Speaker 2: Witnesses the lights observed later in the evening seemed to
Speaker 2: hover in place for an extended period of time before,
Speaker 2: disappearing which some argue is inconsistent with the behavior of drifting.
Speaker 2: Flares sounds about. Right then there's the witness. Credibility many,
Speaker 2: witnesses including trained military, personnel law enforcement, officers and civilian,
Speaker 2: pilots rejected the flare. Explanation these individuals were experienced in
Speaker 2: identifying aircraft and other aerial, phenomena and they argued that
Speaker 2: what they saw was not consistent with military. Flares the
Speaker 2: flare explanation provided by THE us military has been accepted
Speaker 2: by some as a plausible explanation for the second side
Speaker 2: of lights seen around ten. Pm, however it does not
Speaker 2: account for the earlier sightings of the LARGE v shaped
Speaker 2: craft seen by many witnesses Across, arizona which remains unexplained
Speaker 2: to this. Day skeptics argue that the flare explanation covers
Speaker 2: part of the, event but believers in the extraterrestrial hypothesis
Speaker 2: viewed as a partial or dismissive explanation that doesn't address
Speaker 2: the more extraordinary aspects of the sightings earlier in the.
Speaker 2: Evening this has led to continued debate and speculation over
Speaker 2: what really occurred in the skies Over arizona on the
Speaker 2: night Of april Or march, thirteenth nineteen ninety. Seven the
Speaker 2: most popular theory AMONG ufo believers is that The phoenix
Speaker 2: lights represented a massive extraterrestrial. Spacecraft the, size the, shape
Speaker 2: and behavior of the, object combined with the military's inability
Speaker 2: to offer a clear explanation for the era for the earlier,
Speaker 2: sighting may have led many to believe that it was
Speaker 2: not of human. Origin some skeptics AND ufo researchers suggest
Speaker 2: that the object might have been an experimental, aircraft possibly
Speaker 2: a prototype for a larger stealth, aircraft or a classified military.
Speaker 2: Project the lack of sound and the advanced flight characteristics
Speaker 2: of the object have led some to speculate that it
Speaker 2: was a government project being tested in. Secret not very
Speaker 2: well not a very well kept. Secret i'll say it's.
Speaker 3: Not and again WHEN i looked it, up AND i
Speaker 3: understand not everything that was being done secretly in ninety
Speaker 3: seven is open to the public right. NOW i fully
Speaker 3: understand that we are talking about damn near twenty years,
Speaker 3: after thirty years after the, fact as of time. RECORDING
Speaker 3: a lot of the things that were being experimented on
Speaker 3: in the nineties are open source these. Days right that being,
Speaker 3: said everything THAT i saw that they were testing in ninety,
Speaker 3: seven AND i didn't even see what they were testing
Speaker 3: in The Arizona desert at that, time just air platforms
Speaker 3: of military significance that they were testing in ninety. Seven
Speaker 3: none of them would do what these things are, doing,
Speaker 3: Right and you could even make the argument of a
Speaker 3: like maybe even a predator drone or the earlier form
Speaker 3: of a predator drone that doesn't do. This they are not,
Speaker 3: silent they don't fly that load to the ground and
Speaker 3: you can't hear. Them they don't have a light like,
Speaker 3: this and that if that is, true that completely negates
Speaker 3: the entire the flare conversation that they keep going on
Speaker 3: and on.
Speaker 4: About it's, no.
Speaker 2: Yeah i'm, sorry it just doesn't work that. Way, so,
Speaker 2: okay now we get to the men in black in
Speaker 2: the missing. Tape, okay so one of the strangest subplots
Speaker 2: in the is the men in black. Story rumors circulated
Speaker 2: that original close up footage of The phoenix lights was.
Speaker 2: Confiscated witnesses claim that government's government agents visited people who
Speaker 2: filmed the, event demanding the. Tapes Village labs insiders reported
Speaker 2: mysterious men showing up and quote unquote losing key evidence
Speaker 2: was critical proof of the craft erase from. History so
Speaker 2: now we're going to get to that, testimony and here we,
Speaker 2: go the men in. Black this is this is actually
Speaker 2: reported on the news By Fox, Local Fox Channel, News fox.
Speaker 2: Ten this was By Richard, curtis the guy that the
Speaker 2: guy that allegedly had the clear documented evidence that it
Speaker 2: was actually an, aircraft and eventually the tapes went, missing
Speaker 2: and so did he as a result of The men In.
Speaker 2: Black let's see the news story on it, two almost
Speaker 2: three minutes.
Speaker 10: First On Fox, tonight The men In black get caught
Speaker 10: up in those strange lights Over.
Speaker 20: PHOENIX ufo investigators now claim that some video of the
Speaker 20: lights has mysteriously, disappeared taken By men In.
Speaker 2: Black No.
Speaker 20: Less Jim shabel tracks down this tale In tonight's Ten.
Speaker 11: Files months after this, sighting there are still many questions
Speaker 11: regarding the strange lights Over. Phoenix is this a solid
Speaker 11: craft or merely lights in an empty? Sky what could
Speaker 11: be the conclusive evidence is now mysteriously. Missing Richard curtis
Speaker 11: claims his home video is proof that this sighting was
Speaker 11: a huge flying, craft and he claims his video shows
Speaker 11: a solid object in the sky passing over his.
Speaker 12: HOME i saw the bottom of. It it went over
Speaker 12: the top Of. Phoenix the lights Of phoenix lit up
Speaker 12: the bottom part of, it and it blocked out the
Speaker 12: clouds and the.
Speaker 11: Stars curtis Calls phoenix Councilwoman barwood to show her the
Speaker 11: footage he had it.
Speaker 6: On these two videotapes and he asked me IF i
Speaker 6: would like, them SO i, said of COURSE i. Would
Speaker 6: could he give me copies of? Them and he said he,
Speaker 6: would AND i told him how to get him to
Speaker 6: my office and to mark im personal and.
Speaker 11: Confidential but Before curtis can Send barwood the, videotapes he's
Speaker 11: paid a visit by two mysterious men in.
Speaker 12: Black they were all addressive black, suits and they had the,
Speaker 12: hat the black hats and, sunglasses and they asked me
Speaker 12: IF i had.
Speaker 8: The?
Speaker 12: Tapes were city councilwoman Bar? Wood AND i, said, yeah
Speaker 12: they're rect laying right, here and they, said, well we
Speaker 12: was taught by to pick them, up AND i, said oh,
Speaker 12: great AND i just handed it to.
Speaker 2: Him they didn't get.
Speaker 6: Them AND i don't have no idea who these two men,
Speaker 6: were SINCE i have just females working in my. Office
Speaker 6: so it's just absolutely puzzling to.
Speaker 11: Me did the tapes ever exist and if, so were
Speaker 11: they proof of more than lights in the? Sky and
Speaker 11: who were the mysterious men in black that allegedly took.
Speaker 12: THEM i think somebody either listening on a phone call
Speaker 12: and one of them.
Speaker 2: TAPES i can't explain. It it's just kind of. Eerie
Speaker 2: the mystery. Continues, okay so.
Speaker 4: He gave him the, original he didn't have time to
Speaker 4: make a, copy.
Speaker 2: Dude and there's more to. It so the men in
Speaker 2: black showed up at his door, Said, Hey i'm here
Speaker 2: to pick up the secret tape that you're supposed to
Speaker 2: be given over To councilwoman Bar, wood, right.
Speaker 3: Which means that they knew that there was a tape
Speaker 3: that was supposed to go to, her which means that
Speaker 3: they are listening.
Speaker 4: In they have her office.
Speaker 2: Bugged they specifically asked, Him they, said did you make
Speaker 2: any copies of? It and he, goes, NO i haven't
Speaker 2: had time to do that. Yet they're, like, okay all,
Speaker 2: right that's, fine and then they grab it from him
Speaker 2: and allegedly take it back To. Barmore the problem is
Speaker 2: is That councilwoman Bar moore had no male people working
Speaker 2: her in her. Office she only had females working at her.
Speaker 3: Office, yeah this is that agency that we keep talking
Speaker 3: about on these alien.
Speaker 4: Episodes one thousand.
Speaker 3: Percent but even, still if the conversation was just between
Speaker 3: her and this, guy, right and he was going to
Speaker 3: bring it to her, himself which means that she didn't
Speaker 3: tell anybody in her.
Speaker 4: Office she might have, Said, hey we're expecting a.
Speaker 3: Guy he's going to be dropping off a package for,
Speaker 3: me to make sure it gets right to my office
Speaker 3: kind of.
Speaker 4: Thing she didn't send a runner to go pick this.
Speaker 3: Up she didn't tell him that he was going that
Speaker 3: she was going to do this or anything like. That
Speaker 3: so the only people that knew that there was a
Speaker 3: tape in question that was supposed to be going To
Speaker 3: barwood would have been something just the two people in the,
Speaker 3: room which means that they were listening in.
Speaker 2: Exactly but this isn't the first time that or it's
Speaker 2: not the only. TIME i don't know if it was
Speaker 2: the first time or second, time but it's not the
Speaker 2: only time that the men in black make an. Appearance
Speaker 2: because what's also strange is is that the labs that
Speaker 2: we were talking about earlier and the let me get
Speaker 2: back to over here real. Quick so the who is
Speaker 2: the guy's name? AGAIN i keep on forgetting the damn's?
Speaker 2: Name Jim dilatoso Of Village. Labs, Right Village, labs that's
Speaker 2: the One Village. Labs. Now he had he had a
Speaker 2: whole it was like a whole, office and he had
Speaker 2: a front desk and he had two women working at
Speaker 2: a front.
Speaker 20: Desk.
Speaker 2: Right they have also claims that there were two men
Speaker 2: dressed in all. Black they came in a Black. Cadillac
Speaker 2: they walked in the front door and they were wearing
Speaker 2: all black suits with a black hat and wearing sunglasses. Inside,
Speaker 2: right they claim that they asked For Jim Dila toso
Speaker 2: and to see if he was. There he wasn't there
Speaker 2: on that, day and so they ended up coming, BACK i,
Speaker 2: believe and whenever they came, back they went to go
Speaker 2: talk To Jim. Dilatoso Jim Delo toso calls into The
Speaker 2: Art Bell show and explained this whole, thing this is
Speaker 2: all all around the same period of like a week
Speaker 2: that all this. Happened, Right Jim, delotoso he, goes, UH
Speaker 2: i guess the the the men in black were, like,
Speaker 2: hey we want to see if you have any more
Speaker 2: footage Because Village labs was doing the most amount of
Speaker 2: research on the on The phoenix. Lights, Right Jim delotoso, goes, Uh,
Speaker 2: YEAH i GOT i got a bunch of different tapes
Speaker 2: from you, know a bunch of, eyewitnesses and this is
Speaker 2: this is WHAT i. DO i study these things, right
Speaker 2: and they're like real eerie whenever they're questioning about. Things
Speaker 2: and he, goes, well first, off whose order are you under?
Speaker 2: Here whose order are you coming? From and they answer
Speaker 2: in like a really weird way and they say we're
Speaker 2: we're here under your order and he's, like what the?
Speaker 2: Fuck and Art bell's, like that doesn't make any. Sense
Speaker 2: what do you mean under under your? Order and he,
Speaker 2: Goes i'm JUST i was just as confused as you. Are,
Speaker 2: whenever whenever they said that they got information about, him
Speaker 2: they said that you're on the right track and you're
Speaker 2: doing the right. Thing these two men in, black and
Speaker 2: then they, left never to be seen. Again so you're, like,
Speaker 2: yeah wait a. Second and then that Same jelatoso that
Speaker 2: went on to the documentary THAT i was mentioning, earlier
Speaker 2: of the guy that did the, Documentary Jim, delotoso said
Speaker 2: don't look any deeper into the men in, black like
Speaker 2: so just.
Speaker 4: We're all clear.
Speaker 3: Here doesn't that sound very similar to what our Boy
Speaker 3: paul was told by his, handler that you know, what
Speaker 3: you're on the right, track you're doing the right thing
Speaker 3: and this and, this but, hey don't look into this
Speaker 3: thing any.
Speaker 4: Deeper it sounds very very, similar almost as if they're
Speaker 4: working for a very similar agency reading from the same fucking.
Speaker 4: Pleabook that's What.
Speaker 2: I'm, saying. Dude it's it's just real fucking, strange the
Speaker 2: Whole men In black. Thing and and LIKE i said,
Speaker 2: earlier just like two months, later The men In black,
Speaker 2: movie the first one comes out where there are Two
Speaker 2: men In.
Speaker 3: Black right, now granted they were they were filming For
Speaker 3: The men In black before The Phoenix lights things.
Speaker 4: Had, sure but, guy in that, movie they had to
Speaker 4: do that for.
Speaker 3: Forever but the agency that that movie was based off,
Speaker 3: of that's not just like kind of some of these
Speaker 3: events are based off the true. Story, like, YEAH i
Speaker 3: didn't understand there was comic relief for. Me Will smith
Speaker 3: was in it and all.
Speaker 2: That Tommy Lee, jones.
Speaker 3: That agency absolutely. Exists it's not called The men In.
Speaker 3: Black it's called by another, name some acronym that most
Speaker 3: human beings have never fucking heard.
Speaker 4: Of but, yeah that's a real.
Speaker 2: Thing so this video is actually was put up By Tom,
Speaker 2: king who was one of the eyewitnesses of The Phoenix, lights,
Speaker 2: Right so he's been doing a shitload of, research like
Speaker 2: he's dedicated his whole life to This phoenix life thing
Speaker 2: or A Phoenix lights, thing and he. Says in this
Speaker 2: edition of The Ten, files the team covers the story
Speaker 2: Of Richard curtis and his involvement in The Phoenix lights.
Speaker 2: Case richard reached out To Francis Emma, barwood claiming to
Speaker 2: have recorded the infamous boomerang event at eight THIRTY pm
Speaker 2: using his professional grade camp. Equipment, however not long, after
Speaker 2: two men knocked On richard's door demanding the. Tape without,
Speaker 2: hesitation he handed over the master copy and unfortunately he
Speaker 2: didn't make a. Backup, Later richard Called francis to ask
Speaker 2: if she had received the. Tape she. Hadn't, instead the
Speaker 2: story the story was redirected To Village. Labs according To my,
Speaker 2: sources Doctor Michael. Tanner Michael tanner later Visited richard's home
Speaker 2: and noted that the high end camera equipment scattered throughout his.
Speaker 2: Apartment this marked the second documented instance Of men In
Speaker 2: black involvement in The Phoenix lights, case the first being
Speaker 2: their visit To Village, labs a moment captured in the following.
Speaker 2: Video so we're gonna see that one, Too but all,
Speaker 2: Right so they went To Village labs, first and then
Speaker 2: To Richard curtis's. House it, says now he goes now
Speaker 2: here's my, theory AND i stress it's just a. Theory
Speaker 2: key individuals involved in this, event Particularly Francis Emma, barr
Speaker 2: would likely had their phones tapped by THE. Fbi Richard
Speaker 2: motzer personally told me that THE fbi was targeting, investigators
Speaker 2: warning that they were all going to. Prison it's highly
Speaker 2: probable that federal agencies were monitoring these investigators in real,
Speaker 2: time feeding their findings into a data fusion center for intelligence.
Speaker 2: Analysis if any of them had obtained footage of the massive,
Speaker 2: aircraft THE feds wanted to know.
Speaker 4: Immediately, yep who checks? Out oh, boy all, right he
Speaker 4: checks out to, me, Brother SO, nasa.
Speaker 2: This is the. One let's see, here it. Says fox
Speaker 2: Ten news aired this update Around july of nineteen ninety
Speaker 2: seven on The phoenix, lights WHERE nasa insiders report the
Speaker 2: lights could be from another. Galaxy so nobody can agree
Speaker 2: on what the fuck this.
Speaker 4: Is.
Speaker 3: Right one government agency says it was aeronautic flares From Operation.
Speaker 3: Snowbird another government, AGENCY, nasa says that they could have
Speaker 3: been lights from another.
Speaker 2: Galaxy, yeah, okay all, Right So Jim Tillis Dila toso
Speaker 2: said that some men in black visited him who came
Speaker 2: FROM jpl AND, nasa which would make. Sense the person
Speaker 2: then Handed jim two technical documents on hyper dimensional travel
Speaker 2: written by people within both. Organizations so, yeah LET'S.
Speaker 3: Jps that's What Jet Propulsion. Laboratories, yep, yep. Yep isn't
Speaker 3: That Jack parsons?
Speaker 2: Thing that's, well, Yeah Jack parsons, was you, know one
Speaker 2: of the main guys that started.
Speaker 4: It, yeah, yeah that's.
Speaker 2: Right so, YEAH nasa AND. Jpl that's where he said
Speaker 2: that the men in black came, From, okay which kind
Speaker 2: of makes sense if you think about.
Speaker 3: IT i think that like the men in black quote,
Speaker 3: unquote probably were just refers to like the. Doers you,
Speaker 3: know maybe THE fbi hires him from time to, time
Speaker 3: or THE cia OR nasa or THE atf or.
Speaker 4: Whatever but they're the.
Speaker 3: Guys that give you the nice knock on the door
Speaker 3: before the other guys come in and we have A waco.
Speaker 4: Situation you, KNOW i don't.
Speaker 2: Know these are the contract?
Speaker 3: Exactly what are their? Names smith And? Smith you, know
Speaker 3: where are they? From we're from the, Government we're from
Speaker 3: a you know, agency if you will just kind of
Speaker 3: leave it at that very, vague very open. Ended they
Speaker 3: don't wear any you, know identifying. Markers they dress in
Speaker 3: the very iconic black. SUIT i don't know about the
Speaker 3: for door. Thing that's it's kind of out of. Fashion
Speaker 3: you would.
Speaker 4: Think that they would be a little more, contemporary but
Speaker 4: like all, right.
Speaker 2: Dope, yeah or it's like what's his boy the dude
Speaker 2: off Of transformers when or he's like he's From sector
Speaker 2: seven Or sector. Nine i've never heard of, it nobody. Has,
Speaker 2: yeah it's based off Of sector. Four but that's the.
Speaker 3: Thing it's like IF s four is the classified alien,
Speaker 3: shit like That sector.
Speaker 4: Seven is like ultimate deepness in this it's you, know.
Speaker 3: No matter where you, go it's like saying that you
Speaker 3: have a top secret security. Clearance there is like eight
Speaker 3: levels of security clearances that are above A ts you
Speaker 3: know WHAT i, mean and even still like A, yankee,
Speaker 3: right that means that you have the permission to carry
Speaker 3: a loaded weapon next to the. President that is a security,
Speaker 3: clearance but that is not like a classified information security
Speaker 3: clearance kind of, Thing and there's levels to.
Speaker 2: It, right, Right so this one is another three, minutes
Speaker 2: but let's see this one.
Speaker 20: Siders about the mysterious lights Over phoenix On march. Thirteenth
Speaker 20: among the wild theories that, abound another one tonight to
Speaker 20: shock the imagination. Again SOME nasa insiders are claiming that
Speaker 20: the lights could be from another. Galaxy Jim schnabelt shares
Speaker 20: the cosmic theory with.
Speaker 11: Us it's been four months since the well PUBLICIZED ufo
Speaker 11: sighting Over. Phoenix since, then more, sightings some in the,
Speaker 11: daytime and people are still looking for.
Speaker 21: Answers the entire world is Watching arizona right now since
Speaker 21: it's THE ufo. Hotspot they're watching what happens, next and
Speaker 21: so are.
Speaker 11: We some believe the lights were, flares some believe they
Speaker 11: were a secret military, aircraft and others believe they were space.
Speaker 2: Ships but now.
Speaker 11: A new theory emerges concerning the origins of the mysterious
Speaker 11: lights Over.
Speaker 2: Phoenix it's a.
Speaker 11: Theory that supposedly our own government has knowledge, of and
Speaker 11: it's a theory of mysterious balls of light Visiting earth
Speaker 11: from distant.
Speaker 21: GALAXIES i think it's very interesting THAT nasa has THE
Speaker 21: nasa personnel have the courage to circulate documents like.
Speaker 11: This delatoso claims he was paid a visit by the
Speaker 11: real men in black men affiliated with The Jet Propulsion
Speaker 11: laboratory AND. Nasa The Space agency may be interested IN
Speaker 11: UFOs because of RECENT ufo sightings from The Space. Shuttle
Speaker 11: this video OF UFOs is FROM sts, eighty A shuttle
Speaker 11: flight Last. December the flashes are lightning Over africa and
Speaker 11: you can see an occasional meteor whiz, By but soon
Speaker 11: strange balls of light appear entering The earth's, atmosphere and
Speaker 11: Other shuttle missions have made similar. Sightings could these be
Speaker 11: similar to the balls of light seen Over?
Speaker 21: Phoenix so this gentleman comes to visit me one, day
Speaker 21: has a badge on with just his picture and a
Speaker 21: logo from a local government contractor THAT i, recognized and
Speaker 21: SAYS i have these for.
Speaker 11: You he allegedly Gives delatoso two technical documents on hyperdimensional,
Speaker 11: travel written by one of NASA's top. Scientists the papers
Speaker 11: describe how in quantum, theory it would be possible to
Speaker 11: generate balls of light in a distant galaxy and send
Speaker 11: them hurtling Toward earth faster than the speed of, light
Speaker 11: using tiny black holes in the forces of. Gravity it's
Speaker 11: the Stuff einstein theorized About now.
Speaker 21: We're sitting here In, Phoenix, arizona trying to decide if it's,
Speaker 21: flares and we HAVE nasa in a select group inside
Speaker 21: OF nasa theorizing that it is a collective consciousness transfer of.
Speaker 11: Extraterrestrials months after the sighting In, phoenix no one is
Speaker 11: claiming to, know oh for, sure where the strange lights
Speaker 11: came from or. Why but the intergalactic theory is as
Speaker 11: good as Any Jim, Schnabelt fox Ten, News Thanks.
Speaker 20: Jim the cosmic, Theory, okay.
Speaker 3: So they travel from a distant galaxy faster than the
Speaker 3: speed of, light but then when they get, here they're flying.
Speaker 4: Super low and super.
Speaker 3: SLOW i Don't i'm Not i'm not an expert in
Speaker 3: theoretical physics by any. Means maybe there's scientific reasons why
Speaker 3: that's totally what happened, here, WHATEVER i don't, know but
Speaker 3: that is a very interesting. Theory and you're telling me
Speaker 3: THAT nasa came to this hypothesis in ninety seven, Allegedly, yeah, okay.
Speaker 2: WHICH i thought was very interesting BECAUSE i thought the
Speaker 2: official word was that it was just. Flares then you
Speaker 2: GET nasa saying that it could be fucking conscious light
Speaker 2: balls from another.
Speaker 3: Galaxy and this dude has handed this information from some
Speaker 3: sort of a local government contractor who sent a runner
Speaker 3: to make sure that he got. It they had never
Speaker 3: heard of, email even in ninety, seven the internet was
Speaker 3: a thing in email was at things like all, Right
Speaker 3: apparently it was so super top secret or whatever that
Speaker 3: they had.
Speaker 4: To be hand. CAREERED i don't know what to make of.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, yeah so this is another ONE i. Believe,
Speaker 2: wait this isn't the same, thing is? It, yeah damn it, Is.
Speaker 2: OKAY i don't know why he would put that on
Speaker 2: the show notes. Anyway so, YEAH i, Mean jim says
Speaker 2: that these were The men In black who were REALLY
Speaker 2: nasa workers on their lunch break that crashed in on
Speaker 2: The village labs one afternoon In. July, so, man that
Speaker 2: is really oddly interesting that all of this is going
Speaker 2: down In july of twoth of nineteen ninety, seven the
Speaker 2: same month that The men In black movie comes. Out
Speaker 2: now it's getting even, weirder, right.
Speaker 3: Very much, so very much, So and there's gonna be
Speaker 3: somebody out there to, say, well that's WHY nasa released,
Speaker 3: this and it was on the news as a way
Speaker 3: to drum up more public interest for aliens to low
Speaker 3: key and long, term you, know long, game bring up
Speaker 3: more awareness for. Them and In black, movie obviously that
Speaker 3: was what was happening. Here it's, like, no, no that
Speaker 3: that's clearly not what was going.
Speaker 4: Down.
Speaker 2: Right the First man In black movie was Released july,
Speaker 2: second nineteen ninety. Seven and you know what's another weird
Speaker 2: part about this is that you know you Have Tommy
Speaker 2: Lee jones And Will smith and look out up, here
Speaker 2: Mister jones and Mister. Smith that's the name of the
Speaker 2: two men In. Black like that is that's a strange.
Speaker 3: Coincidence it Is god in the nineties When Will smith
Speaker 3: was like the.
Speaker 2: Guy was fucking man back. THEN i, mean, hell he
Speaker 2: was the.
Speaker 4: Man up until the whole slapping the shit out Of
Speaker 4: Chris rock.
Speaker 3: Conversation he was the. Guy, yeah but he man talk
Speaker 3: about falling.
Speaker 2: Off he fell all the way.
Speaker 3: Off, WELL i guess Until jada Fucked they're so friend
Speaker 3: and then lu captaim publicly about.
Speaker 2: It i'm, sorry, dude that's a weird. Relationship to have
Speaker 2: your wife admit that she fucked your son's friend and
Speaker 2: to stay with her after.
Speaker 3: That i'm, like all the things that are, entanglement and
Speaker 3: he's like an entanglement. Huh and then he just sat
Speaker 3: there and you could see him his soul dying as
Speaker 3: she was trying to like justify and give her side
Speaker 3: of the story on their. Podcast it's not like this
Speaker 3: was a married marriage counseling thing or anything like. That,
Speaker 3: no this was what they were making as what they considered,
Speaker 3: content and then staying with her afterwards when she is
Speaker 3: publicly clowning you and emasculating. You and then if you're
Speaker 3: gonna be the beta mail, Cuck, okay every relationship has
Speaker 3: their shit.
Speaker 4: Whatever if that's your, jam then.
Speaker 3: Cool then you're gonna try to be all alpha and
Speaker 3: Slap Chris rock for making a funny joke about her,
Speaker 3: baldness calling Her Gi, Jane, like.
Speaker 4: What the fuck are we talking? About, yeah but, anyway
Speaker 4: we're not going on that. Tangent Will, SMITH.
Speaker 2: I, mean that whole dichotomy is. Strange i've heard conspiratorial
Speaker 2: reports That Will smith has been uh apedo to his,
Speaker 2: son and that's why his son is very. Strange and
Speaker 2: then you're also saying.
Speaker 3: THAT i necessarily believe. IT i could see. IT i
Speaker 3: could see a world in which that is. True BUT
Speaker 3: i also think that whenever you grow up with royalty
Speaker 3: level wealth at a very young, age you're so disassociated
Speaker 3: from what normal people deal with and what reality is
Speaker 3: for so many. PEOPLE i, mean think about his son
Speaker 3: was how old when they did The Karate kid?
Speaker 4: Movie he was like?
Speaker 2: Eight, yeah something like can you.
Speaker 3: Imagine being eight years old and being a multi millionaire
Speaker 3: off of your first? Job, ever like you you don't
Speaker 3: have a sense of reality at that?
Speaker 4: Point uh.
Speaker 2: YEAH i mean it just points to really all child,
Speaker 2: actors they never really come. Out, okay so this is another,
Speaker 2: One this is which?
Speaker 4: One?
Speaker 2: This, oh this is your Girl, LYNN i. Believe and
Speaker 2: she's talking about her. Experience and she's the one that
Speaker 2: wrote the book on The, phoenix on The Phoenix, lights
Speaker 2: one of The it's. Light it was like A New
Speaker 2: York times, bestseller whole. Thing so she's always brought up
Speaker 2: in all The Phoenix lights. Conversations so let's see this.
Speaker 22: One Twelve news at ten back with a story that's
Speaker 22: baffled people In phoenix for more than two. Decades if
Speaker 22: there were iPhones Or twitter back in nineteen ninety, seven
Speaker 22: The Phoenix lights would have been trending for. Weeks it's
Speaker 22: a huge story back then and continues to raise eyebrows
Speaker 22: today as the focal point of a list of documentaries and.
Speaker 22: Books This wednesday marks the twenty second anniversary of the
Speaker 22: lights that were described as everything from extraterrestrial, visitors to
Speaker 22: flare and secret government, aircraft even a hoax. Team, Twelve
Speaker 22: Tricia hendrick spoke with a woman who witnessed and documented
Speaker 22: The Phoenix.
Speaker 23: Lights people were seeing these lights that either seemed to
Speaker 23: be attached to something or had a force field in,
Speaker 23: between because when they looked, up they've blocked out the
Speaker 23: stars in between the.
Speaker 8: Light Doctor Lynn, keytie reflecting on what she saw back
Speaker 8: On march, thirteenth nineteen ninety, seven a string of light
Speaker 8: shaped in A, v hovering above the valley, skies.
Speaker 23: Going through my, MIND i was, thinking who are? You
Speaker 23: what are? You do you know That i'm? Here i'd
Speaker 23: love to meet.
Speaker 8: You for more than two decades, now countless explanations and
Speaker 8: claims have surfaced surrounding what she.
Speaker 23: SAW i got it on thirty five millimeter. Film this
Speaker 23: is in the. Negative it cannot be denied or to,
Speaker 23: date twenty two years later be. Explained we're talking totally
Speaker 23: silent at rooftop, level people watched these phenomena just glide
Speaker 23: right over their.
Speaker 8: Heads authorities have said the lights were flares used by
Speaker 8: The Air National, guard but many still believe this was
Speaker 8: a signal from another life.
Speaker 23: FORM i saw these things up close and. Personal they
Speaker 23: were not.
Speaker 8: Flares the lights in the sky still a mystery to.
Speaker 23: Many some people can't deal with this. Topic some people
Speaker 23: don't want, to and that's.
Speaker 4: Okay lynn's mission is.
Speaker 8: Clear he wants to make sure the world doesn't forget
Speaker 8: The Phoenix. Lights she even wrote a, Book The Phoenix,
Speaker 8: lights and produced an award winning documentary of her sighting
Speaker 8: of floating.
Speaker 23: Orbs and people can make off their own. Mind i'm
Speaker 23: not saying what these are people that have an, experience
Speaker 23: a true paranormal. Experience it's not a, belief it's a.
Speaker 23: Knowing and AS i tell everyone, else keep looking.
Speaker 8: Up if you'd like to watch The Phoenix lights, documentary
Speaker 8: a special screening will take place On march seventeenth at
Speaker 8: The Harkin Shay.
Speaker 2: Theater, okay so interesting, ENOUGH i, mean and this is
Speaker 2: the thing that people are talking about their, experience and
Speaker 2: not everybody says the same. Thing as far as what
Speaker 2: they were experiencing physically or emotionally or. Whatever but the
Speaker 2: next guy that we're going to hear from gets he
Speaker 2: gets pretty deep as far as like it being almost
Speaker 2: a spiritual thing to. Him the volume on this one
Speaker 2: is not very, loud so you might have to turn
Speaker 2: up your your knob in your car or on your
Speaker 2: phone or whatever if you're listening to. This this one's two.
Speaker 2: Minutes this Is David. Parker he was a. Witness he
Speaker 2: was the witness that we talked about earlier that said
Speaker 2: that he saw it flying only thirty feet above his.
Speaker 2: Head so let's see what he has to. Say it's
Speaker 2: two minutes.
Speaker 13: LONG i saw the same. Thing where did you witness?
Speaker 4: It WHERE i was ON i.
Speaker 10: SIXTEEN i was.
Speaker 13: Driving home from work.
Speaker 14: AND i saw this huge boomerang shaped craft flying towards.
Speaker 14: ME i slammed on the, BRAKES.
Speaker 24: I jumped out of my truck as it came up over.
Speaker 24: Me it was about thirty feet over my, head AND
Speaker 24: i remember THINKING i could hit.
Speaker 4: This with a rock thirty Feet david.
Speaker 14: Was paralyzed at the, large IMPOSING ufo flew right above his.
Speaker 13: Head it was a.
Speaker 24: Gunnment of prey and there was like thousands and thousands
Speaker 24: of thumbprints in.
Speaker 2: It it just knew under.
Speaker 24: This huge craft that took up seventy percent of the.
Speaker 24: Horizon so from you being thirty feet under, HAW wii would?
Speaker 4: It my guess was a mile to a mile and
Speaker 4: a half who.
Speaker 13: From tip to? Tip but there was no one else.
Speaker 24: AROUND i looked BECAUSE i wanted to have some validation
Speaker 24: for WHAT i. Saw but the nearest LIGHT i could
Speaker 24: easily see right into.
Speaker 13: And out of that poort what looked Like Lalla.
Speaker 4: And as it poured down about.
Speaker 13: Four to six, feet it, stopped.
Speaker 24: And then it went right back up in and then
Speaker 24: more would come.
Speaker 1: DOWN i remember.
Speaker 24: Thinking i'm going to get burned BECAUSE i was that
Speaker 24: close to. It but there was no heat and there
Speaker 24: was no.
Speaker 13: Sound.
Speaker 24: AND i stood there and as it passed, by AND
Speaker 24: i watched, it AND i was, LIKE i just started.
Speaker 24: Crying it was, overwhelming and that has stuck with me
Speaker 24: from that.
Speaker 13: Day from that.
Speaker 23: Moment.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay So David, parker he was the closest one
Speaker 2: allegedly to. It he was able to see little. Intentions
Speaker 2: as we talked about, earlier he thought that they kind
Speaker 2: of looked like thousands of little thumb prints or fingerprints
Speaker 2: all over the bottom of. It and he said that
Speaker 2: he went outside to try and see if anybody else
Speaker 2: was seeing what he was, seeing and of course nobody.
Speaker 2: Did he was the only one out there in his.
Speaker 2: Area and he said that as it was flying, away
Speaker 2: he just started. Crying so he saw it as somewhat
Speaker 2: of a spiritual kind of. Thing maybe it, was maybe it.
Speaker 2: WASN'T i don't know. What what are, aliens you, know,
Speaker 2: like what do they give? Off you, know there's no
Speaker 2: way of knowing, it but that was at least his.
Speaker 2: EXPERIENCE i want to do include.
Speaker 4: It, YEAH i get.
Speaker 3: IT i just this is the only report THAT i
Speaker 3: have heard thus far of somebody saying they got thirty
Speaker 3: feet from it and it came down to. Them everyone
Speaker 3: else says that it was hundreds of feet in the,
Speaker 3: air if not one hundred and fifty feet in the,
Speaker 3: air and it flew over in all these.
Speaker 4: Things that's that is a bit of a new level to.
Speaker 10: It.
Speaker 2: YEAH i, Mean i'm not saying, that you, know he's
Speaker 2: fully correct or full of. SHIT i don't. KNOW i
Speaker 2: just wanted to include his testimony because it's definitely a
Speaker 2: part of the of the myth. Itself this next one
Speaker 2: Is Tim lay and his family talking about their. Experience
Speaker 2: this one is almost four minutes. Long very interesting the
Speaker 2: way that they describe, it and all of his family
Speaker 2: are talking about seeing. It they're describing their. Experience so
Speaker 2: let's check this one.
Speaker 8: Out the latest chapter into A Strange Valley encounter.
Speaker 20: Three months ago, tonight something strange happened in the sky
Speaker 20: is Over arizona that still hasn't been fully, explained and in,
Speaker 20: reality we may never know exactly what happened that. Night,
Speaker 20: Tonight first On, fox we hear from A phoenix family
Speaker 20: who may have been closer to whatever it was in the,
Speaker 20: sky closer than anyone.
Speaker 19: Else it's getting closer and. Closer it was, saying you,
Speaker 19: know that thing's coming right at.
Speaker 20: Us Tim lee and his family are among the hundreds
Speaker 20: of witnesses who've come forward to talk about the night
Speaker 20: Of march, thirteenth an event now known as The Phoenix.
Speaker 20: Lights The lees first saw the lights while looking north
Speaker 20: from their home in The Sunny Slope. Mountains when it.
Speaker 19: Finally got here and we realized this thing was coming
Speaker 19: right over, us we really started getting. Nancy and then
Speaker 19: when it went directly of ahead without a. Sound it
Speaker 19: was like it was like that it was so big
Speaker 19: you couldn't.
Speaker 5: Even hear the. Wind it was so. Quiet it was, This,
Speaker 5: yeah this didn't even do. Anything it just came.
Speaker 20: Through these images of what they saw are made on a.
Speaker 20: Computer there are a combination of digital photos of the
Speaker 20: landscape taken By lee and computer drawings of the objects
Speaker 20: his family saw in the.
Speaker 19: Sky it was a giant bee and the right side
Speaker 19: of the v went over. Us the left side was
Speaker 19: like a comfort of blocks over.
Speaker 10: It he just didn't know what to, do you. Know
Speaker 10: it was just, like my, god how big is this?
Speaker 10: Thing didn't seem Threaten england because when it was right
Speaker 10: overhead and we couldn't hear a, sound it was, like
Speaker 10: you're just.
Speaker 20: Awestruck Jim delatoso has been researching UFOs for twenty. Years right,
Speaker 20: now he's in the middle of putting together a virtual
Speaker 20: reality model of what happened that. Night he's talked to
Speaker 20: hundreds of witnesses about the night Of march, thirteenth including the.
Speaker 19: Leaves he thinks that he, said if he had a tennis,
Speaker 19: ball he could have hit.
Speaker 4: It he could have thrown a tennis ball.
Speaker 3: At it was that.
Speaker 4: Close it was very close and just nailed.
Speaker 21: IT i Consider Tim lee and his family to be
Speaker 21: very reliable and very important in the data that they'd given,
Speaker 21: us because they were so close that they could look up,
Speaker 21: and as they, said almost touch.
Speaker 19: It the last light went right over my wife AND
Speaker 19: i and there was no light on the, ground BUT
Speaker 19: i could see up in. That it was almost like a,
Speaker 19: recess and it had fluorescent light, inside like a gas
Speaker 19: light of some.
Speaker 5: Kind you could see right through the middle of. It
Speaker 5: but it was like looking through two way, glass like
Speaker 5: through a mirage that you see on the highway or,
Speaker 5: something or just when it's real hot right there there
Speaker 5: you can see, through but there's no light coming back
Speaker 5: or anything like. That it was just really.
Speaker 4: Weird this is.
Speaker 21: The first time in the series of reports of that
Speaker 21: night that someone said that they looked up and saw
Speaker 21: a structured object as it went.
Speaker 19: Over it went straight like like through this v right
Speaker 19: there over that guy's.
Speaker 5: House it took about fifteen minutes to get from way
Speaker 5: from when we first saw it all the way till
Speaker 5: he couldn't.
Speaker 20: Sign no one knows for sure what happened that night
Speaker 20: in the. Skies Over arizona In. March but thousands of
Speaker 20: people saw. Something it's a night the. Leaves we'll never.
Speaker 20: Forget we just really.
Speaker 10: Sperience every time we tell. It you, know it's like
Speaker 10: you it's it was just. Yesterday you, Know we've just
Speaker 10: never seen anything like.
Speaker 2: IT i was always a very polite.
Speaker 19: SKEPTIC i would never tell some if they told me
Speaker 19: they saw. SOMETHING i would never say you're a liar
Speaker 19: or anything like, that BECAUSE i don't. Know but NOW
Speaker 19: i don't know what to, think because this is.
Speaker 20: Impossible bring up The aerie music. Place this is weird.
Speaker 20: Stuff Jim.
Speaker 3: Dillon All, Right, so, bro how nineties can a video
Speaker 3: clip possibly be the amount OF t shirt and vest
Speaker 3: combos the backwards hat that one kid was wearing a
Speaker 3: hat super like a caangle. Hat, yeah but it. Was
Speaker 3: but it's not like the type Of samuel l. Wears
Speaker 3: it's like it's a very specifically nineties. HAT i haven't
Speaker 3: seen people wear that out in public since the late.
Speaker 3: Nineties then the Ex life has a full On tennessee
Speaker 3: top hat rocking a mullet and a, tie and it's, like,
Speaker 3: broh IF i could take a snapshot of nineties fashion
Speaker 3: for just your average.
Speaker 4: Person this is?
Speaker 2: It, Yeah, yeah it's. Funny it almost reminds me of
Speaker 2: like like those kind of. HATS i just think Of
Speaker 2: Jonathan Taylor, thomas like every TIME i see some shit like.
Speaker 3: That, yes you think OF jtt or you think about,
Speaker 3: uh oh, shit you remember that movie off Of, Disney
Speaker 3: The Paper. Brigade oh, yeah that's Some Gunther wheeler style fucking.
Speaker 4: Fashion you know What i'm. SAYING i haven't own it.
Speaker 2: OUT i haven't thought about that since the. NINETIES i, think.
Speaker 4: Yeah that's a Great so that's some brink shit right.
Speaker 2: There, yeah, Exactly.
Speaker 4: Yeah, buddy good.
Speaker 2: Things damn the nineties were a good, time weren't.
Speaker 4: They they really were in a class all their, own you.
Speaker 3: Know and if you for any of our listeners that
Speaker 3: were too young to remember the nineties or maybe have
Speaker 3: been born after the, nineties you really missed a good.
Speaker 4: One you.
Speaker 3: Know we were in that weird transitional period because the,
Speaker 3: eighties from WHAT i could, tell was just a lawless
Speaker 3: wasteland where like anything goes you, KNOW i you look
Speaker 3: at the way people dressed back. Then they had no fucking,
Speaker 3: clue but, like you, know that was in style at the.
Speaker 3: Time the nineties were this great decade where technology met
Speaker 3: innovation met the common.
Speaker 4: Man uh. Everybody you, know people were starting get more
Speaker 4: computers in their home cell.
Speaker 3: Phones ooh ooh another one that looking at the fashion
Speaker 3: of that makes me think back to that OLD pbs Show.
Speaker 2: Wishbone oh, yeah, yeah, dude that took me back just.
Speaker 2: Now that was solid Fucking. Arthur Now, arthur and you
Speaker 2: know it's still. Out they still make it damn. WELL i,
Speaker 2: Mean trump has been talking about DEFUNDING, pbs so maybe
Speaker 2: not for much.
Speaker 4: Longer fuck, that, Dude i'm telling you.
Speaker 3: What trump is making me less and less of a
Speaker 3: fan of his by the day Mister rogers himself had
Speaker 3: to go and lobby IN dc to keep funding TOW
Speaker 3: pbs because of specifically mister rogers. Neighborhood now they's some
Speaker 3: about defunding. It, bro that's a very good tele vision
Speaker 3: channel for wholesome content for.
Speaker 4: Children defund the other. Ship that's a.
Speaker 2: Waste, dude speaking of Mister roger's, neighborhood how about The
Speaker 2: mandela effect behind? That because all, right sing the song with.
Speaker 2: Me it's a beautiful day.
Speaker 4: In the Neighbor it's a beautiful day.
Speaker 2: In the Neighbor could you be?
Speaker 4: Mine watching be?
Speaker 2: Mine? Right, yeah but he says it's a beautiful day
Speaker 2: in the. Neighborhood, right everybody knows. That cut to now
Speaker 2: you go back to every single video he always accentuates
Speaker 2: it's a beautiful day in this. Neighborhood like what that
Speaker 2: makes no. Sense he never said in this, neighborhood it's
Speaker 2: a beautiful day in the. Neighborhood what? Exactly it's A mandela.
Speaker 4: Effect, okay Now i'm fill with.
Speaker 2: That, yeah, dude.
Speaker 4: That's gonna fuck with.
Speaker 3: ME i mean it's not like it really matters a
Speaker 3: way or, another but, like, Right i'm sure the fuck
Speaker 3: remember the not this?
Speaker 2: Right, Anyway this is your Boy William shatner on The History.
Speaker 2: Channel he has something Called The unexplained and he. Talks
Speaker 2: it's like a five minute long. Video he goes a
Speaker 2: little bit deeper into some of the aspects of the
Speaker 2: story and stuff like. That The, yeah let's just see
Speaker 2: what he has to. Say William, shatner you got to
Speaker 2: give him a shout, out. DUDE i, mean the, guy,
Speaker 2: sure the guy has looked the same for forty. Years
Speaker 2: it just makes no.
Speaker 25: Sense, Henderson, Nevada march, thirteenth nineteen ninety, seven at six
Speaker 25: fifty five, pm police in this small desert city received
Speaker 25: reports of a MASSIVE v shaped unidentified flying object in
Speaker 25: the night.
Speaker 4: Sky over the.
Speaker 25: Next three, hours the craft is witnessed by thousands of
Speaker 25: people as a journeys southeast into the state Of. Arizona
Speaker 25: because most of the sightings were reported by the residence Of,
Speaker 25: phoenix the incident is known as The Phoenix.
Speaker 23: Lights for, me it was just another.
Speaker 4: NIGHT i was at.
Speaker 23: HOME i was upstairs in our bedroom And i'm lying in.
Speaker 23: BED i see three lights pop. UP i grab my video.
Speaker 23: CAMERA i run outside on the balcony AND i did
Speaker 23: capture video afformations of these lights or actual craft arranged
Speaker 23: in A v or. Triangle we're talking mile to eight miles,
Speaker 23: wide gliding, silently some at a, distance but most at rooftop.
Speaker 23: Level some people said they could have thrown a rock at,
Speaker 23: it it was that.
Speaker 26: Close phoenix is a city of about five million, people
Speaker 26: and here they are looking up and seeing this IMMENSE
Speaker 26: ufo flying at fairly low, altitude quite. Slowly this was
Speaker 26: a siting on almost unprecedented.
Speaker 25: Scale the GIANT v shaped object reportedly hovered Above phoenix
Speaker 25: for three hours before it finally disappeared over the. Horizon
Speaker 25: The Phoenix lights incident made headlines across the. Country many
Speaker 25: eyewitnesses were convinced that what they saw was not a
Speaker 25: man made, airplane but rather an extraterrestrial.
Speaker 9: Spacecraft lots of people saw. This you have a lot
Speaker 9: of general consistency with how this was, reported but you
Speaker 9: had skeptic, saying, well the thing that people saw going
Speaker 9: down the state was actually just. Aircraft and then a
Speaker 9: spokesperson from The National guard made an announcement and, said,
Speaker 9: yeah those lights that people saw over the, city that
Speaker 9: was actually flares that we dropped by a Ten warthawk.
Speaker 9: Aircraft if you talked to the, witnesses there are a
Speaker 9: number of witnesses who were quite adamant that this was.
Speaker 9: Extraterrestrial and one of the witnesses turns out was actually
Speaker 9: the governor of the state Five.
Speaker 18: Symington as a pilot and a Former Air force, OFFICER
Speaker 18: i can definitively say that this craft did not resemble
Speaker 18: any man made object That i'd ever.
Speaker 4: Seen with The Phoenix.
Speaker 23: Lights, phenomena what's really exciting is it more and more
Speaker 23: credible people have come. Forward ALL i knew is that
Speaker 23: it was so beyond ANYTHING i ever imagined being here
Speaker 23: on this. Earth to, date The Phoenix lights phenomena has
Speaker 23: never been recreated.
Speaker 8: Or.
Speaker 27: Explained while The Phoenix lights is one of the most
Speaker 27: EXTRAORDINARY ufo encounters in, history it is just one of
Speaker 27: many mysterious sightings that have taken place in the state Of.
Speaker 27: Arizona according to The NATIONAL Ufo Reporting, center there have
Speaker 27: been approximately five THOUSAND ufo reports In arizona going all
Speaker 27: the way back to the nineteen.
Speaker 28: Forties On july, seventh nineteen forty, Seven WILLIAM. A, rhodes
Speaker 28: an amateur, photographer saw an elliptical metallic. Object he managed
Speaker 28: to capture two excellent photographs of this object at very low,
Speaker 28: altitude and he sent them into The Arizona republic, newspaper
Speaker 28: which published them on the front. Page and if you
Speaker 28: look at these, photographs you can see that they show
Speaker 28: a very solid looking metallic gray object at low. Altitude
Speaker 28: these photographs have never been, debunked so this is a
Speaker 28: very important.
Speaker 9: Case there was WHAT i believe is a GENUINE ufo
Speaker 9: crash that occurred In, Kingman, arizona In may of nineteen fifty.
Speaker 9: Three was apparently the recovery of it virtually intact down
Speaker 9: to flying. Saucer the witnesses came out and this is
Speaker 9: quite a significant. Case and then probably the most famous
Speaker 9: something MANY ufo Sightings arizona has had is The Travis
Speaker 9: walton abduction experience from nineteen seventy five that took place
Speaker 9: In november of that year and made national. News and
Speaker 9: So arizona has its own long history of anomalous activity for.
Speaker 3: Sure, okay so absolutely there's a lot of desert states that.
Speaker 3: Also do we all know about The, Roswell we hear
Speaker 3: About novada having, Things New mexico having. Things arizona is
Speaker 3: a part of that exact same. Desert so it would
Speaker 3: stand to reason that they would have a long history
Speaker 3: OF ufo crashes and sightings and things like. THAT i
Speaker 3: don't know if we've ever done a deep dive on
Speaker 3: The ingman, crash but there may be an episode coming
Speaker 3: out about that.
Speaker 4: Soon good cult.
Speaker 2: Members hell, yeah, DUDE i just love talking about all
Speaker 2: THIS ufo. Shit it's just so much, fun especially the
Speaker 2: unexplainable ones like this is this is, unexplainable like they
Speaker 2: got whether it's flair or military, aircraft maybe you GOT
Speaker 2: nasa saying that it could be lights coming from another.
Speaker 2: Galaxy nobody seems to be able to corroborate as far
Speaker 2: as you, know intelligence and higher ups and, stuff, right
Speaker 2: but everybody on the ground seems to stick with a
Speaker 2: very Very i'm not gonna, say the same, story a
Speaker 2: very similar, story a very similar time and a very similar.
Speaker 2: Location so thousands of. Witnesses, NOW i did want to
Speaker 2: bring this one up. Last this is your, Boy Alice.
Speaker 2: Cooper he said that he saw The phoenix lights two
Speaker 2: or three years after the Original phoenix. Lights check his
Speaker 2: story out two and a half minutes.
Speaker 13: Long, well the idea was to drive the brand new st.
Speaker 1: In mind.
Speaker 4: When things go terribly.
Speaker 7: Wrong, well the idea was to drive the brand New
Speaker 7: Aston martin To Los, angeles WHERE i was going to.
Speaker 7: Record AND i, thought, well the best time to drive
Speaker 7: that would be late at. NIGHT i told my, Wife
Speaker 7: i'm going to drive in at about eleven o'clock at
Speaker 7: night And i'll avoid all the traffic AND i can
Speaker 7: let the car out a little bit out in the
Speaker 7: desert and see what it'll. Do SO i got about
Speaker 7: as far as just before blithe and it was still
Speaker 7: In arizona AND i just happened to notice something out
Speaker 7: of the corner of my eye AND i looked up
Speaker 7: on the left and it was the same thing that
Speaker 7: EVERYBODY i saw in nineteen ninety seven on the, left
Speaker 7: and it was. MOVING i would say that was probably,
Speaker 7: southwest was moving, southwest and there was no noise at.
Speaker 7: All AND i watched it and watched, it AND i
Speaker 7: stopped the car in.
Speaker 13: The middle of the.
Speaker 7: DESERT i called my wife AND i, Said, CHERYL i,
Speaker 7: Said i'm looking at The phoenix lights right, NOW i,
Speaker 7: said and it's moving out very just very, very you,
Speaker 7: know LIKE i said that the oddest thing being out
Speaker 7: in the. Desert AND i told, HER i, said this
Speaker 7: is really. WEIRD i, Said i'm out here all alone
Speaker 7: And i'm. Watching and THEN i, went wait a, Minute
Speaker 7: i'm out here all. Alone that's not a good idea
Speaker 7: if that's WHAT i think it. Is and it was
Speaker 7: the v and it moved and moved. IT i watched
Speaker 7: it for ten minutes and it just kept getting further
Speaker 7: and further and. FURTHER i guess it must have been
Speaker 7: going Towards San. Diego that's where it would that's where
Speaker 7: that would probably. Be BUT i just watched it. DISAPPEAR i,
Speaker 7: mean it just kept going and going and. Going but
Speaker 7: it was exactly the, same the same. Thing it was
Speaker 7: sort of an amber lights amber kind of like soft
Speaker 7: lights on the. Thing it wasn't really a, bright bright,
Speaker 7: white you, know it was sort of a, dull dull
Speaker 7: amber kind of.
Speaker 13: Lights AND i, thought how weird is?
Speaker 7: THAT i, mean that was three years, ago that The phoenix,
Speaker 7: lights and it wasn't expecting that at.
Speaker 13: All you expect to see shooting.
Speaker 7: Stars you expect to see you, know maybe a satellite
Speaker 7: or something and way out in the desert like.
Speaker 13: That but this was absolutely the exact same. Ship so
Speaker 13: apparently they were kiss. Fans they didn't abduct be.
Speaker 11: The.
Speaker 2: End that's.
Speaker 3: Funny NOW i understand people are going to, say, well
Speaker 3: how can we trust the source on that? One, right
Speaker 3: he's the only witness and this and this and, This, okay,
Speaker 3: fine but how MANY ufo sightings have there been where
Speaker 3: it's only one or two or three witnesses that saw
Speaker 3: the event and they're easily Dismissed The Phoenix lights were
Speaker 3: seen rather than by thousands of, People so, like you
Speaker 3: can't easily write that one. Off but to say that
Speaker 3: in the same. Desert just a few years later there
Speaker 3: was another eyewitness source that says that they saw something.
Speaker 3: SIMILAR i, Mean i'm fucking, listening.
Speaker 2: Fucking, nay Especially Alice cooper dude legend status.
Speaker 4: One of the original forefathers of metal for. Sure fuck.
Speaker 2: Yeah so, yeah just to get back to, It so
Speaker 2: the flare explanation falls. Apart The air force explanation focused
Speaker 2: ON Luu dash TWO b SLASH b illumination flares dropped
Speaker 2: by a ten, warthogs but eyewitnesses reported structured craft blocking the,
Speaker 2: stars hovering silently at low, altitude not drifting. Flares analysis
Speaker 2: or analysts point out. Inconsistencies flares don't maintain a v
Speaker 2: formation across hundreds of. Miles the flare narrative looks more
Speaker 2: like a cover story than a. Solution, yes it really.
Speaker 2: Does and now could it be a syop or alien?
Speaker 2: Demonstration so the two main theories that. Compete some people
Speaker 2: will say that it all boils down to these two,
Speaker 2: things that it could be a government, psyop the military staged,
Speaker 2: it maybe testing public, reaction running psychological warfare, exercises or
Speaker 2: masking classified. Craft problem is is that this was back
Speaker 2: in ninety seven and we still to this, day some
Speaker 2: almost thirty years, later have no technology that even comes
Speaker 2: close to what was going on back, then right.
Speaker 3: Right AND i looked into it as, Well LIKE i,
Speaker 3: said with the experimental aircraft and things like, THAT i
Speaker 3: brought up The predator. Drone, okay and at that time,
Speaker 3: drones especially in the, nineties that was still in the
Speaker 3: realm of, like, yeah there were some engineers that were
Speaker 3: working on. It The predator drone was first test flown
Speaker 3: in ninety. Four they were doing some experiments with it
Speaker 3: in the mid to late, nineties and then it first
Speaker 3: saw use in you, know the post nine to Eleven
Speaker 3: wars that took.
Speaker 4: Place, okay, fine that bitch is not.
Speaker 3: Quiet, now typically you don't hear it because it flies
Speaker 3: at the lowest of like fifteen thousand, Feet but when
Speaker 3: it's taking off and, landing and if it was flying
Speaker 3: one hundred or three hundred or five hundred feet off the,
Speaker 3: ground you're gonna hear that. Bitch there's no way not to. Mention,
Speaker 3: yeah it's it flies at a relatively slow. Speed i'll
Speaker 3: give you. That And i'm using the air quotes for
Speaker 3: anybody just, listening not at the speeds that the phoenix
Speaker 3: slides were moving. That that's we're talking about two completely
Speaker 3: separate things.
Speaker 2: Here, yeah, yeah it's there's something to be said, there
Speaker 2: IT'S i don't know what to do with. It then
Speaker 2: the the other main theory would be that it would
Speaker 2: just have to be alien, demonstration the non human intelligence
Speaker 2: deliberately revealed, itself showing, scale precision and silence to prove
Speaker 2: that we are not. Alone both of them, are you,
Speaker 2: know not, NECESSARILY i don't. Know it doesn't exactly warm
Speaker 2: your heart either. WAY i guess whether you do believe
Speaker 2: that it's alien or if you believe that it's a government,
Speaker 2: syop either the government is experimenting on its own, citizens
Speaker 2: which has been proven time and time, again or it's
Speaker 2: an advanced presence making. It its advanced presence is making
Speaker 2: contact while authorities bury the. Truth both are pretty, viable
Speaker 2: BUT i WOULD i don't buy the government syop, PERSONALLY
Speaker 2: i don't buy. THAT i, yes of, course out in That,
Speaker 2: west you always you, know Especially, Arizona, Nevada, california that
Speaker 2: whole side over, there that is where a lot of
Speaker 2: testing occurs because of the desert and everything like. That
Speaker 2: but you're not going to be testing over a populated
Speaker 2: area such As, phoenix which is the most populated city
Speaker 2: in the entire state In. Arizona you would do it
Speaker 2: out in some bumfog desert where nobody's gonna see. It
Speaker 2: you're not gonna showcase it across two states spanning three hundred.
Speaker 4: Miles, no not even no chance in, hell no.
Speaker 3: Way so do it like The Alice cooper story where
Speaker 3: you might have an eyewitness that can easily be silenced and.
Speaker 3: Dismissed now where there's hundreds of thousands of, eyewitnesses that
Speaker 3: makes no, sense.
Speaker 2: Right, Yes so The Phoenix lights have inspired films Like
Speaker 2: Phoenix forgotten Or The Phoenix. Incident there are docum documentaries
Speaker 2: and endless. Research there remain one of the LARGEST ufo
Speaker 2: mass sightings IN us, history and to this day people
Speaker 2: gather annually In phoenix to commemorate the. Event Unlike, roswell
Speaker 2: The Phoenix lights unfolded in real time before thousands of.
Speaker 2: Witnesses there was no way to suppress it. Completely so
Speaker 2: what really happened that? Night The Phoenix lights a CLASSIFIED us,
Speaker 2: craft a mass, syop or a genuine alien. Flyover maybe
Speaker 2: all of the. Above but here's the. Question if it
Speaker 2: was Just flair's why the, denial why the, Redicule why
Speaker 2: the missing, Tapes why the men in black and the
Speaker 2: intimidation of? Witnesses why mock an event that thousands of honest, citizens, pilots, doctors,
Speaker 2: cops and even the governor swore they saw The phoenix
Speaker 2: lights leave us with a terrifying. Possibility either either our
Speaker 2: government is lying to us about advanced technology or someone
Speaker 2: else is in our skies and the government is powerless
Speaker 2: to stop. Them and, maybe just maybe the real message
Speaker 2: wasn't the lights, themselves but the silence that. Followed That's.
Speaker 3: GOD i think both are very clear signs of what
Speaker 3: this was and possibly what it.
Speaker 2: Wasn't good cult, members let us know what you. THINK
Speaker 2: i had a lot of fun research in this. One
Speaker 2: i'm not gonna. Lie so we had the live show last,
Speaker 2: night AND i stayed Upuntil i'm here four in the
Speaker 2: morning researching articles and looking at videos and, documentaries AND
Speaker 2: i got balls deep into this one BECAUSE i was
Speaker 2: trying to find an explanation because it seems that every
Speaker 2: SINGLE ufo or alien story can be easily explained and you,
Speaker 2: know perfectly well decently, credible, Right LIKE i feel like
Speaker 2: you can, explain explain away MOST ufo and alien, sightings you,
Speaker 2: know just using logical brain and you can suppose that
Speaker 2: it was, this or you can suppose that it was.
Speaker 2: That but my problem is is that government stories don't
Speaker 2: match citizen stories. Do And i'm, Sorry i'm going to
Speaker 2: take the word over thousands of eyewitnesses and testimonies over
Speaker 2: government things that seem to not even align with their own.
Speaker 2: Story and still to this day it's. Unexplained still to this,
Speaker 2: day we are almost thirty years, later and still there
Speaker 2: is not an honest explanation as to what the fuck
Speaker 2: people saw in the sky on the night Of march,
Speaker 2: thirteenth nineteen ninety, seven or the lights that were in
Speaker 2: the sky three years. Later For Alice, cooper, right, like
Speaker 2: these are just weird, phenomena And i'm a. BELIEVER i
Speaker 2: am a full.
Speaker 3: Unbeliever i'm a believer that something took place Over phoenix that.
Speaker 4: Night type of alien was it a? Craft was it floating? Orbs?
Speaker 4: Like who? Knows, okay we weren't.
Speaker 3: There in the eyewitness, testimony all of them line up
Speaker 3: in certain, regards but at the same, time the cameras
Speaker 3: that were being used were not the best, quality And,
Speaker 3: OKAY i get all of, that but this is still completely.
Speaker 3: Unexplained there is no narrative that has come out that
Speaker 3: makes any fucking.
Speaker 4: Sense and you know, ME i do believe in.
Speaker 3: ALIENS i believe in extraterrestrial life, forms, yes airan dimensional
Speaker 3: and spiritual of that nature as. Well but ALSO i
Speaker 3: believe in planets in this galaxy and another galaxy whatever
Speaker 3: that do you have life sustaining, capabilities and it would
Speaker 3: not shock me that they are more technologically advanced than we.
Speaker 3: Are so, Personally i'm of the belief that The phoenix
Speaker 3: lights were a lot more of the extraterrestrial life form
Speaker 3: variety than any other theory That i've heard proposed on this.
Speaker 2: Episode just and nobody makes any kind of, speculative you,
Speaker 2: know idea that they're from this planet or from this,
Speaker 2: galaxy or it was this breed of. Alien nobody's saying
Speaker 2: that we're just talking about some strange occurrence that happened
Speaker 2: in the night sky that nobody can. Explain that's, it.
Speaker 2: Yep and we showed videos and pictures and testimony and
Speaker 2: government stories and all these, things so cult, members let
Speaker 2: us know what you, think.
Speaker 3: Dude, indeed, indeed cult members want to hear from. You
Speaker 3: what is your take on The Phoenix lights. Situation but
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Speaker 4: said we want to hear from, you good cult. Members
Speaker 4: what do you think about The Phoenix? Lights do you
Speaker 4: think it was a? Hoax do you think that the
Speaker 4: military was on?
Speaker 3: One do you think that the governor was telling the
Speaker 3: truth and now he's lying or vice.
Speaker 4: Versa do you think that this is.
Speaker 3: All in the realm of internet lore and fanfare and
Speaker 3: there's nothing to. It do you believe that it was,
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