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<v Speaker 1>Oh that's are.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to the show. This is the Cult

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<v Speaker 2>of Conspiracy, and my name is Jonathan, I'm Jacob and

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<v Speaker 2>today we are finally. I cannot believe it took us

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<v Speaker 2>this long. We are coming up on episode nine hundred,

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<v Speaker 2>and we have not talked about the Phoenix lights. So

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<v Speaker 2>today's the day, baby.

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<v Speaker 3>Hell yeah, And I gotta be honest with you, man,

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<v Speaker 3>I'm super excited. I have heard about them in passing

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<v Speaker 3>four years. We've talked about doing an episode on them

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<v Speaker 3>four forever. I've never really done much of a deep

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<v Speaker 3>dive on it. All I know as of this moment,

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<v Speaker 3>there was a situation where some unexplained lights are in

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<v Speaker 3>the sky. They were witnessed by hundreds of people, and

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<v Speaker 3>the only real remnants of it today is a placard

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<v Speaker 3>that they have in Phoenix that talk about it.

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<v Speaker 4>That's about it.

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<v Speaker 3>But there's too many eyewitnesses to say that it's a

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<v Speaker 3>hoax or a make believe or something like that. And

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<v Speaker 3>it's still one of those unsolved phenomena that took place.

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<v Speaker 3>No one of the eyewitness variety really has any answers

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<v Speaker 3>for it. There's a lot of theories, So I am

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<v Speaker 3>excited to learn more about the Phoenix Lights.

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<v Speaker 2>So I want to give a shout out to this

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube channel called so Weird with Patrick James. He made

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<v Speaker 2>a documentary and put it out four months ago, and

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<v Speaker 2>I after the live show last night, I went down

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<v Speaker 2>a deep dive and I listened and I watched the

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<v Speaker 2>documentary that he created with all of the the main

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<v Speaker 2>eyewitness testimonies and stuff like that. Man, it is so

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<v Speaker 2>convincing that this was actually alien. Bro, Like you listened

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<v Speaker 2>to all the it is crazy. Yeah, And so that

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<v Speaker 2>really started my deep dive into the Phoenix Lights and

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<v Speaker 2>me digging up even more information on top of that.

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<v Speaker 2>But just want to say anybody that it's that is

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<v Speaker 2>extra interested in the Phoenix Lights, go check that one out.

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<v Speaker 2>Big shout out to him. He did great work.

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<v Speaker 3>Now when you say alien, are we talking about Hyah,

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<v Speaker 3>there's lights for sure.

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<v Speaker 4>But is this of the orb variety? Is these lights

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<v Speaker 4>on a.

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<v Speaker 3>Craft or multiple crafts? Are we talking interplanetary? Interdimensional? Is

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<v Speaker 3>it still in that X factor where we really don't know?

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<v Speaker 4>It could be both? Like where are we at?

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<v Speaker 2>There are differing testimonies. Some say that it was balls

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<v Speaker 2>of fire or b like things. Others say that it

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<v Speaker 2>was actually no, it had to have been one one

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<v Speaker 2>giant solid V shaped craft. And but they all check

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<v Speaker 2>out because they all talk about the same exact date,

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<v Speaker 2>going out at the same exact time, and their feeling of,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, like what what was going on in their

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<v Speaker 2>mind whenever they were, you know, in this situation that

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<v Speaker 2>they were in, and it gets crazy.

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<v Speaker 4>Dude.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just I'm just saying to all the good cult

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<v Speaker 2>be a wild one. I do want to say too

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<v Speaker 2>that this is going to be a very article and

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<v Speaker 2>amazing cult members. It is always a wild night. We actually,

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<v Speaker 2>as of time of recording, we just did it last night.

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<v Speaker 2>That leads down the show notes below. Okay, now we

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<v Speaker 2>are going to get started. This is where my deep

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<v Speaker 2>dive starts. Okay. So it's a cool desert night in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>Families are outside stargazing, are barbecuing, and kids are playing

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<v Speaker 2>in the yard. Then it happens. An enormous V shaped

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<v Speaker 2>formation of lights silently glides across the sky, blotting out

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<v Speaker 2>the stars above. No sound, no sonic boom, just a colossal,

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<v Speaker 2>unexplainable object drifting directly over their heads. Of thousands of witnesses,

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<v Speaker 2>some swear they could feel it like a pressure in

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<v Speaker 2>the air. Others describe awe, fear, even a spiritual connection.

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<v Speaker 2>What would later be called the Phoenix Lights was one

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<v Speaker 2>of the most witnessed UFO sightings in modern history. Yet

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<v Speaker 2>to this day, the government insists it was nothing more

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<v Speaker 2>than military flares, just military exercises. Nothing to see.

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<v Speaker 3>Here, military flares. And you know, it's funny, you know what.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm glad that that was brought up. Have you pulled

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<v Speaker 3>up any videos of what military flares at night look like?

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<v Speaker 2>No, Actually, that's a good idea.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I'm gonna.

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<v Speaker 3>Look that up, because when we get to videos and

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<v Speaker 3>we start seeing pictures and images of what the is

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<v Speaker 3>in the sky, I just want to see how it

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<v Speaker 3>compares to where if that even remotely holds water.

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<v Speaker 4>I have a weird.

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<v Speaker 3>Feeling that it's gonna be a complete farce, but I

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<v Speaker 3>will look into that.

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<v Speaker 4>Continue.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's it's a ridiculous explanation, is really what it is? Sonny,

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<v Speaker 2>How today we're diving into what really happened, Who tried

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<v Speaker 2>to expose the truth, who tried to cover it up,

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<v Speaker 2>and why almost thirty years later, the Phoenix Lights still

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<v Speaker 2>haunt the desert sky. So I do want to make

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<v Speaker 2>mention that there are actually two separate events in the

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<v Speaker 2>same night. Okay, some have been able to explain away

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<v Speaker 2>one of them, but the other one not so much.

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<v Speaker 2>And you could even make an argument that they haven't

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<v Speaker 2>really explained away either one of them. So we're gonna

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<v Speaker 2>give you all the information and you decide. So the

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<v Speaker 2>Phoenix lights weren't just one sighting. There were two distinct events.

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<v Speaker 2>The first occurred anywhere between seven thirty and eight thirty

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<v Speaker 2>pm Arizona time. I think it's just Arizona time, that's

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<v Speaker 2>what they because their time never changes. They don't do

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<v Speaker 2>daylight savings or anything like that over in Arizona.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a relatively new thing, though, isn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know when that started.

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<v Speaker 4>I thought it was only a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 3>But either way, like the current time you know of

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<v Speaker 3>that time zone, that's that's what they're saying.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, the first one, what happened between seven thirty

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<v Speaker 2>and eight thirty pm. It was from what most people

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<v Speaker 2>claim they saw was a massive V shaped craft that

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<v Speaker 2>glided from Nevada through Arizona, seen by eyewitnesses over nearly

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred miles, over three hundred miles occurred from the

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<v Speaker 2>first person, that's all at in Nevada to the last person,

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<v Speaker 2>that's all it in Arizona. Damn crazy, right, So that

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<v Speaker 2>was from seven thirty to eight thirty. The second time

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<v Speaker 2>was around ten pm, and this this description was a

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<v Speaker 2>line of bright lights that appeared over the Estrella Mountains

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<v Speaker 2>near Phoenix, later claimed to be air force flares, which

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<v Speaker 2>is ridiculous. The government explanation only addresses the second one,

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<v Speaker 2>that leaves the first the enormous craft shrouded in mystery.

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<v Speaker 2>So it's like, why wouldn't you explain both of them?

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<v Speaker 2>These things are happening damn near two hours two and

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<v Speaker 2>a half hours apart from each other, and yet you

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<v Speaker 2>only try to explain away one of them, which I

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<v Speaker 2>thought was pretty interesting. So we have a couple of

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<v Speaker 2>articles that I wanted to get to first, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 2>go ahead and share the screen again. Come check us

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<v Speaker 2>out on Patreon. You'll be able to see all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to get into some of the ridiculousness first

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<v Speaker 2>and then get into the actual truth potentially.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm just curious, was this a cloudy night or was

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<v Speaker 4>it a clear night?

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<v Speaker 2>From videos I seen, it was a pretty clear night.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Second question, do the lights in the sky have trails

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<v Speaker 3>behind them?

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<v Speaker 4>No?

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<v Speaker 3>All right, I want everybody to keep that in mind

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<v Speaker 3>whenever I show an image of aeronautic flare hearing a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>I haven't seen the images of the Phoenix lights yet,

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<v Speaker 3>but let's just say that it's there's no comparing this

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<v Speaker 3>to that.

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, let's go right right, you know what, that

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<v Speaker 2>would be a good idea to show well, you know what. No,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get to it, all right. So this is from

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<v Speaker 2>the Phoenixnew Times dot com. This was an article that

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<v Speaker 2>was written in March fourteenth, twenty fourteen. So the Phoenix

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<v Speaker 2>lights occurred March thirteenth of tooth, I'm sorry, of nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven. That's whenever it first happened, March thirteenth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>ninety seven. So it says the nineteen ninety seven Phoenix

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<v Speaker 2>lights are no mystery. They got it figured out. So

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen ninety seven, a v pattern of lights flew

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<v Speaker 2>across the Arizona flew across Arizona north to south. While

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<v Speaker 2>conspiracy theories abound, the explanation is far less sexy. On

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<v Speaker 2>March thirteenth of every year, local news outlets run the

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<v Speaker 2>annual story of the mysteries surround the lights that appeared

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<v Speaker 2>over Phoenix in nineteen ninety seven. People seem to forget

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<v Speaker 2>or simply ignore, that there's no real mystery about it.

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<v Speaker 2>The mystery was explained at length in a nineteen ninety

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<v Speaker 2>eight New Time story by Tony Ortega. What follows is

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<v Speaker 2>the cliff notes explanation. There were two events that night,

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<v Speaker 2>A quote unquote v pattern of lights that flew across

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<v Speaker 2>the state north to south, which crossed Phoenix around eight

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<v Speaker 2>thirty pm, and a second set of nine lights that

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<v Speaker 2>seemed to hover over Phoenix before apparently disappearing. As for

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<v Speaker 2>the first event, a man in Scottsdale, looking through a

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<v Speaker 2>large Dobsnian telescope, identified the lights as being attached to planes.

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<v Speaker 2>So this is from Ortega's story, He goes, it was

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<v Speaker 2>plain to see. Oh, this is from Mitch Stanley. So

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<v Speaker 2>this is the astronomer of the twenty one year old

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<v Speaker 2>astronomer whose I guess everybody's just taken a twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>year old's word for it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, I mean, because he has a telescope that makes

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<v Speaker 3>him an astronomer.

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<v Speaker 2>I get.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't realize we were given that distinction out to

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<v Speaker 3>just anybody that can order something offline.

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<v Speaker 4>But like, okay, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Guess I'm an astronomer. Two then, because I got one

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<v Speaker 2>of those bad boys.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, this isn't like some dude who's working at

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<v Speaker 3>an observatory and like reporting his findings. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 3>a twenty one year old living in Scottsdale.

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<v Speaker 2>Like all right, word, yeah, So it was planning to see,

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<v Speaker 2>Mitch Stanley says. Under magnification, Stanley clearly could could clearly

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<v Speaker 2>see that each light split into pairs, one each, on

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<v Speaker 2>the tips of squarish wings. Even under the telescope's power,

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<v Speaker 2>the planes appeared small, indicating that they were flying high.

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<v Speaker 2>Stanley says that he followed the planes for about a minute,

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<v Speaker 2>then turned his telescope to more interesting objects. They were planes.

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<v Speaker 2>There's no way I could have mistaken that, he says.

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<v Speaker 2>The more widely seen and talked about lights were the

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<v Speaker 2>Tucson Weekly Broken is that the Maryland Air National Guard

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<v Speaker 2>in Arizona for winter training had a squad of a

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<v Speaker 2>ten fighters over the gunnery range that night, and they

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<v Speaker 2>had dropped flares, and an Arizona National Guard Public Information officer,

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<v Speaker 2>Captain Eileen Bines, had determined that the flares had been

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<v Speaker 2>dropped around at ten pm over the North Tack Range,

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<v Speaker 2>thirty miles southwest of Phoenix, at an unusually high altitude

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<v Speaker 2>of fifteen thousand feet.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting, yeah, okay, now I have to look up something else.

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<v Speaker 4>At what rate do aeronautic flares burn?

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<v Speaker 3>Because, like, if at fifteen thousand feet and they got

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<v Speaker 3>in Phoenix, do they burn for like five minutes. It's

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<v Speaker 3>not like they're free falling, They're floating down slowly, So

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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna look into that. Continue.

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<v Speaker 2>The disappearance was actually the lights dropping behind the Sierra

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<v Speaker 2>flares by military planes, which Ortega reported as looking remarkably

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<v Speaker 2>like the ten PM lights of March thirteenth, and ASU

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<v Speaker 2>astronomer or astronomy professor, a physicist and other physicists I'm sorry,

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<v Speaker 2>and other scientists have reviewed the evidence and found the

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<v Speaker 2>explanation perfectly plausible. In fact, you can still find that

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<v Speaker 2>physicist's complete report online. As for the v which wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>talked about or disputed as much as the hovering lights,

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<v Speaker 2>it never was disclosed who was flying those planes. According

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<v Speaker 2>to ortega's reports, Luke Air Force radar operation said that

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<v Speaker 2>there was nothing unusual on the radar, and a formation

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<v Speaker 2>of five planes traveling at a high altitude above Sky

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<v Speaker 2>been considered unusual. Nobody bothered to request the radar information

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<v Speaker 2>from the Federal Aviation Administration within two weeks, when such

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<v Speaker 2>records were routinely deleted. How convenient, so it'll be known

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<v Speaker 2>exactly where those planes came from. You're going over sky

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<v Speaker 2>Harbor and the Luke Air Force space, and it wasn't

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<v Speaker 2>considered an unusual and the records were deleted after two

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<v Speaker 2>weeks because apparently nobody made a call about it, which

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<v Speaker 2>I called bullshit on and for some reason, they are

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<v Speaker 2>just being extremely nonchalant about this, so it says. However,

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<v Speaker 2>the claim by UFO hunters was that this was some

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<v Speaker 2>miles long UFO obviously alien didn't pan out. Some people

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<v Speaker 2>thought all the lights were part of one craft. But

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<v Speaker 2>an analysis of the videotape made it clear that they

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<v Speaker 2>were moving together in a formation, but they were independent

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<v Speaker 2>of one another. Mystery not quite, says the Phoenix New Times.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, hey, real quick, Jonathan, give me the ability to

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<v Speaker 3>share the screen. I'm gonna gonna show people some things

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<v Speaker 3>and some stuff real quick. Just so we're all clear

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<v Speaker 3>about what an aeronautic flare looks like.

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<v Speaker 4>Right, just we're all on the same page.

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<v Speaker 5>Here.

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<v Speaker 3>This is them, This is this is the the flare

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<v Speaker 3>in question, all right, And yes they can. This is

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<v Speaker 3>like called the angel measure. It looks like angel wings

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<v Speaker 3>and all these things and like whatever, and this is

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<v Speaker 3>this is what it looks like. And yes, they depend.

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<v Speaker 3>They vary on size of craft and the type of flare.

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<v Speaker 3>Some are countermeasure flare, some are like distress signal flares.

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<v Speaker 3>I get that all of them have trails of smoke

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<v Speaker 3>behind them, and that can clearly visibly be seen in

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<v Speaker 3>the night sky. There's no question about that, first of all.

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<v Speaker 2>Second of all, angel one looks do I know, the

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<v Speaker 2>Angel one looks pretty cool?

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah? No, I agree, that's fucking dope.

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<v Speaker 3>But that being said, take a guess at how fast

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<v Speaker 3>they burn out.

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<v Speaker 2>I I don't even know a minute.

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<v Speaker 4>A minute, really you would think I thought so too.

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<v Speaker 3>Right, here's how fast they burn out, and it depends

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<v Speaker 3>on flair type. And again fifteen thousand feet is what

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<v Speaker 3>he just said. Right, So there's a few different types

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<v Speaker 3>countermeasure flares, which is what those dudes just dropped on

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<v Speaker 3>those planes.

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<v Speaker 4>We just saw three to five seconds.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, aeronautic flares that are sent out like you've seen

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<v Speaker 3>like Iron Man whenever, like they try to get a

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<v Speaker 3>lock on something and they're like shoot out the flares,

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<v Speaker 3>so like make the rockets hit the flares rather than

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<v Speaker 3>the plane.

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<v Speaker 4>Those only burn for three to five seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>They don't need to burn much longer than that. If

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<v Speaker 2>it's the countdog ones.

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<v Speaker 3>Then there's other ones that burn typically for about seven seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>And then the.

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<v Speaker 3>Worst one are the error aerial parachute flares, which are

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<v Speaker 3>from the ground. Like if I'm shooting a distressed signal

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<v Speaker 3>from a little handgun, that's like a flare. It's a

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<v Speaker 3>parachute flare, and that could go for forty seconds.

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<v Speaker 4>That's it. Oh okay, that's the longest type of flare.

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<v Speaker 2>Even you'll hear numerous reports of people seeing these lights

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<v Speaker 2>in the sky for ten plus minutes like they hurt.

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<v Speaker 4>No fucking way.

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<v Speaker 2>Even Kurt Russell said that he saw it for ten minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>This is my point, right, there's no way that somebody's

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<v Speaker 3>going to mistake lights in the sky.

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<v Speaker 4>Not to mention, they just said that they will.

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<v Speaker 3>Burn at an altitude of around one thousand feet for

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<v Speaker 3>about forty seconds. Okay, that's it, that's all we got.

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<v Speaker 3>You're telling me that multiple planes from the Massachusetts Air

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<v Speaker 3>National Guard was doing some summer training which went what

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<v Speaker 3>month was this again?

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<v Speaker 2>Uh, that was Maryland National Guard.

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<v Speaker 3>Excuse me saying northeast people whatever, you know, So it

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<v Speaker 3>was March in March and they're there for summer training

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<v Speaker 3>right off the rip.

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<v Speaker 4>That makes no fucking sense.

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<v Speaker 3>Secondly, these lights are in the sky and no air

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<v Speaker 3>traffic control can show anything in the sky. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like you'd be able to tell if there was a

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<v Speaker 4>But okay, whatever.

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<v Speaker 3>And third these aeronautic flares quote unquote made their way

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<v Speaker 3>from Nevada to Arizona over three hundred miles and we're

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<v Speaker 3>in the sky for minutes when they absolutely don't burn

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<v Speaker 3>for more than a single minute. I'm sorry, I'm this

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<v Speaker 3>whole uh, this whole storyline that or Tega is telling

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<v Speaker 3>us is falling flat on its face when you hit

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<v Speaker 3>it with cold heart facts.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Yeah, and you'll see that. You'll see that all

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<v Speaker 2>throughout this episode that their explanation can't hold up. It

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<v Speaker 2>just simply can't hold up. So interestingly enough, the Phoenix

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<v Speaker 2>New Times article that we just read that was from

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<v Speaker 2>twenty fourteen. This is ten years after that article, and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I wonder if they had changed their

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<v Speaker 2>stance on anything, right, because it's ten years after it

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<v Speaker 2>says Phoenix lights explained everything to know about the legendary

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<v Speaker 2>UFO sighting. Okay, saying, so when was this one written?

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<v Speaker 6>Way?

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<v Speaker 4>That first article was in ninety seven that they wrote it.

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<v Speaker 2>The first article was in twenty fourteen, the one that

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<v Speaker 2>I read, this one's in twenty twenty four just last.

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<v Speaker 4>Year, got you okay? Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>So it says Arizona residents had a close encounter of

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<v Speaker 2>the unusual kind on a warm spring night back more

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<v Speaker 2>than twenty seven years ago. On March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven,

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<v Speaker 2>two formations of lights were sighted in the skies over

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<v Speaker 2>the valley and other parts of Arizona. One was shaped

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<v Speaker 2>like v and cruised across the sky, while the other

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<v Speaker 2>was a series of glowing orbs that appeared in a

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<v Speaker 2>line near the Sierra Istralla mountain range. The two incidents

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<v Speaker 2>became known as the Phoenix Lights, one of the largest

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<v Speaker 2>and best known UFO slightings in history. Thousands of people

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<v Speaker 2>across Arizona witnessed this phenomena, which caused a hubaloo or

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<v Speaker 2>hullabaloo in the media over the next few months that

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<v Speaker 2>grew into a worldwide obsession.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a word you typically see wrote out, a hullabaloo.

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<v Speaker 7>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that kind of threw me through a loop. Despite

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<v Speaker 2>the public clamoring for answers about what caused the Phoenix Lights,

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<v Speaker 2>both at the time and over the ensuing decades, no

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<v Speaker 2>official investigation has ever occurred. No official investigation ever happened.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's everything to know about the Phoenix Lights. Never been

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<v Speaker 2>an investigation. But the Phoenix New Times got it, you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I mean, So it says what are the

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<v Speaker 2>Phoenix Lights. The Phoenix Lights were two separate UFO sightings

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<v Speaker 2>on the same night in March nineteen ninety seven over Arizona.

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<v Speaker 2>The first was a V shaped formation of six to

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<v Speaker 2>ten glowing orbs that flew from southwest Nevada over Prescott

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<v Speaker 2>Metro Phoenix parts of Tucson in southeast Arizona.

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<v Speaker 4>These Prescott or Prescott.

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<v Speaker 2>It's spelled Prescott, but people say Prescott over there.

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<v Speaker 4>Interesting, Okay, Moving on.

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<v Speaker 2>The second sighting occurred hours later, when a line of

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<v Speaker 2>glowing orbs appeared near the Sierra Istralla Mountain range in

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<v Speaker 2>the Southwest Valley. When did the Phoenix lights happen? It

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<v Speaker 2>says the Phoenix Lights sightings took place on March thirteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen ninety seven. The first sighting happened between seven to

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<v Speaker 2>fifty five and eight forty pm, and the second between

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<v Speaker 2>nine to fifteen and nine thirty five PM. So there's

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<v Speaker 2>even like weird differing times really close. I'm not gonna,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, nitpick about that. It's this is that How

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<v Speaker 2>many people saw it? It says several thousand people reportedly

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<v Speaker 2>witnessed the Phoenix Lights with a nineteen ninety seven Rocky

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<v Speaker 2>Mountain pole, indicating that up to ten percent of Arizonans

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<v Speaker 2>saw it.

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<v Speaker 3>Ten percent of the state at that time, so basically

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<v Speaker 3>one out of every ten people living in Arizona in

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<v Speaker 3>nineteen ninety seven would testify and say that they saw

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<v Speaker 3>the lights.

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<v Speaker 2>Keep in mind, in nineteen ninety seven, the city of

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<v Speaker 2>Phoenix alone had five million people in it.

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<v Speaker 3>What's I don't even know what the population size of

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<v Speaker 3>Arizona is, but I mean Phoenix and Tucson are like

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<v Speaker 3>their two biggest cities. I would assume, so like the

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<v Speaker 3>majority of the state lives in that city arguably.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, if Phoenix has five million, the state probably

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<v Speaker 2>has ten million something like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, look it up, I'll see what the population was

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<v Speaker 3>in ninety seven anyway.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyhow, it says that ten percent of Arizona's claim

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<v Speaker 2>to have seen it, And so Shane Hurd, Assistant State

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<v Speaker 2>Rector of the Arizona Chapter of the Mutual UFO Network,

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<v Speaker 2>we left them.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait a minute, Arizona population nineteen ninety seven was four

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<v Speaker 3>point five million. Whoa hold on, now, id you I

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<v Speaker 3>know what the fuck the population of Phoenix was?

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<v Speaker 8>Then?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, maybe I got that mixed up. Then I heard

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<v Speaker 2>that it was five million just in Phoenix. I'm getting

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<v Speaker 2>my numbers mixed up.

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<v Speaker 3>It might be now, because I mean everything's grown, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>especially since everybody's leaving Canada, Canada, California like it's going

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<v Speaker 3>out of style.

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<v Speaker 4>So I mean that might have something to do with it.

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<v Speaker 4>But hold on here.

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<v Speaker 3>Population of Phoenix, Arizona one point one eight three million,

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<v Speaker 3>so a quarter about of all of the inhabitants of

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<v Speaker 3>Arizona live in Phoenix at this time. So when you

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<v Speaker 3>say that ten percent of the state saw it, that

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<v Speaker 3>is not a misnomber.

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<v Speaker 4>That's a realistic number to throw.

426
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<v Speaker 2>Out, all right, So your boy. Shane Hurd, assistant state

427
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<v Speaker 2>director of the Arizona chapter of the Moufon Network, told

428
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<v Speaker 2>Phoenix New Times in twenty twenty two that the sighting

429
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<v Speaker 2>occurred on a clear, moonless night, which aided visibility. Many

430
00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:06.440
<v Speaker 2>people were already watching this, guys, because Comet Haley Bop

431
00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:09.319
<v Speaker 2>was highly visible to the naked eye at the time

432
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<v Speaker 2>because of its brightness. Check this out, your boy Kurt

433
00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:17.799
<v Speaker 2>Russell makes yeah, yeah, dude, And we're going to get

434
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<v Speaker 2>to Kurt Russell's story here in a little bit. It's

435
00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:24.799
<v Speaker 2>actually pretty funny. So in twenty seventeen, actor Kurt Russell

436
00:23:24.880 --> 00:23:28.079
<v Speaker 2>told BBC that he was flying his step son Oliver

437
00:23:28.640 --> 00:23:32.920
<v Speaker 2>into Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport that night and spotted

438
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<v Speaker 2>the V formation while landing and reported it to air

439
00:23:36.000 --> 00:23:40.079
<v Speaker 2>traffic controllers. The actor joked that that that might have

440
00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:43.519
<v Speaker 2>made the first the first official report of the sighting,

441
00:23:43.839 --> 00:23:50.079
<v Speaker 2>which later was confirmed. So I thought that was pretty interesting, dude.

442
00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:52.559
<v Speaker 2>And this is where it gets even weirder. So, despite

443
00:23:52.640 --> 00:23:55.000
<v Speaker 2>public publicly mocking the first you know what, I don't

444
00:23:55.000 --> 00:23:56.720
<v Speaker 2>even want to read that part because we're going to

445
00:23:56.799 --> 00:23:58.599
<v Speaker 2>get to that. I don't want to blow the lid

446
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<v Speaker 2>off of that one. Yeah, sou So, what are some

447
00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:07.440
<v Speaker 2>of the explanations for the Phoenix lights? The explanation accepted

448
00:24:07.480 --> 00:24:10.279
<v Speaker 2>by most skeptics is that the Phoenix lights were caused

449
00:24:10.319 --> 00:24:13.640
<v Speaker 2>by military activity in Arizona during the night of the incidents.

450
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<v Speaker 2>The first sighting is believed to have been a group

451
00:24:17.119 --> 00:24:20.279
<v Speaker 2>of a ten Thunderbolt jets flying in a V shaped

452
00:24:20.279 --> 00:24:25.000
<v Speaker 2>formation as part of Operation Snowbird. Why does Snowbird always

453
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<v Speaker 2>make a mention in all these episodes.

454
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<v Speaker 4>I'm gonna look in Operation Snowbird just so we know

455
00:24:29.680 --> 00:24:31.319
<v Speaker 4>what the fuck they're talking about. Now.

456
00:24:31.400 --> 00:24:35.000
<v Speaker 2>It says a pilot training program operating out of Davis

457
00:24:35.119 --> 00:24:38.640
<v Speaker 2>monthan Air Force base in Tucson by the Air National Guard.

458
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<v Speaker 2>The story is backed up by the account of Mitch Stanley,

459
00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:44.319
<v Speaker 2>who we mentioned before, a twenty one year old amateur

460
00:24:44.359 --> 00:24:47.200
<v Speaker 2>astronomer living in Scottsdale at the time, who told New

461
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<v Speaker 2>Times in nineteen ninety seven that he used a ten

462
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<v Speaker 2>inch Obsonian mirrored telescope to view a squadron of fighter planes.

463
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<v Speaker 2>In regards to the second sighting, Lieutenant Colonel Ed Jones

464
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<v Speaker 2>of the Maryland Air National Guard tooled the Arizona Republic

465
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<v Speaker 2>in twenty seventeen it was caused by a different squadron

466
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<v Speaker 2>of a ten jets dropping parachute equipped flares while conducting

467
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<v Speaker 2>exercises at what's now the bary M Goldwater Air Force

468
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<v Speaker 2>Range near Gilli Bend. So you were just saying, you know,

469
00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.119
<v Speaker 2>whenever you're talking about the flares, the parachute equipped flares,

470
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<v Speaker 2>which were the ones that last forty seconds, right, these

471
00:25:24.480 --> 00:25:25.960
<v Speaker 2>things were seen for over ten.

472
00:25:25.799 --> 00:25:29.839
<v Speaker 3>Minutes absolutely, and I mean at fifteen thousand feet. Granted

473
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<v Speaker 3>that's not that's not some jetliner flying at thirty thousand

474
00:25:33.559 --> 00:25:36.720
<v Speaker 3>by any means, but fifteen thousand feet and only for

475
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<v Speaker 3>forty seconds, that is a very small window of time

476
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<v Speaker 3>to have, you know, upwards of close to a million

477
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<v Speaker 3>people see this at the same time, Well, five hundred thousand,

478
00:25:49.200 --> 00:25:51.400
<v Speaker 3>I should say, But I mean, like, that's that's crazy

479
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<v Speaker 3>out loud, but also just we're all on the same page.

480
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<v Speaker 3>Year Operation Snowbird refers to an annual winter training exercise

481
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<v Speaker 3>primarily used by the Air now and Guard to conduct

482
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<v Speaker 3>large scale operations in a warm desert environment such as

483
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:08.960
<v Speaker 3>Arizona to escape winter weather and utilize suitable training ranges.

484
00:26:09.240 --> 00:26:12.519
<v Speaker 3>The exercise allows military personnel and aircraft to gain experience

485
00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:15.799
<v Speaker 3>in deployed conditions, improving readiness for real world missions, and

486
00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:19.960
<v Speaker 3>fostering relations with partner units. Okay, so Operation Snowbird seems

487
00:26:19.960 --> 00:26:22.759
<v Speaker 3>to be like a yearly training exercise, which I understand

488
00:26:22.839 --> 00:26:27.039
<v Speaker 3>that this happens one hundred percent. Yeah, dropping flares, I

489
00:26:27.119 --> 00:26:28.799
<v Speaker 3>get this, that's the thing that happens. You got to

490
00:26:28.839 --> 00:26:31.440
<v Speaker 3>test all your systems and capabilities. I'm with this too,

491
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<v Speaker 3>But these flares leave a smoke trail, and you would

492
00:26:35.119 --> 00:26:38.519
<v Speaker 3>definitely be able to see that off of a clear, moonless,

493
00:26:38.680 --> 00:26:40.799
<v Speaker 3>cloudless night such as this.

494
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<v Speaker 2>Right right, So yeah, I don't buy that personally. So

495
00:26:46.960 --> 00:26:48.880
<v Speaker 2>now we're just gonna jump over all right, So the

496
00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:53.119
<v Speaker 2>Phoenix New times. They shit on it in both articles,

497
00:26:53.920 --> 00:26:56.640
<v Speaker 2>claiming that we're just gonna take the word of this

498
00:26:56.720 --> 00:26:59.880
<v Speaker 2>twenty one year old amateur astronomer, and we're also going

499
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<v Speaker 2>to take the word of a lieutenant colonel who spoke

500
00:27:03.920 --> 00:27:10.039
<v Speaker 2>on the event twenty years after the fact and never

501
00:27:10.079 --> 00:27:12.279
<v Speaker 2>said anything before that. Well, I don't know. I thought

502
00:27:12.279 --> 00:27:13.200
<v Speaker 2>that was kind of crazy.

503
00:27:13.559 --> 00:27:14.240
<v Speaker 4>I agree.

504
00:27:14.759 --> 00:27:18.759
<v Speaker 2>So now we'll go over to wicked Pedia and hear

505
00:27:18.799 --> 00:27:20.319
<v Speaker 2>the Wikipedia side of the story.

506
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<v Speaker 9>So.

507
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<v Speaker 2>The Phoenix Lights, often sometimes called the Lights over Phoenix,

508
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.759
<v Speaker 2>were a series of widely cited unidentified flying objects observed

509
00:27:28.759 --> 00:27:31.559
<v Speaker 2>in the skies over the southwestern US states of Arizona

510
00:27:31.559 --> 00:27:34.559
<v Speaker 2>and Nevada on March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven. Lights of

511
00:27:34.640 --> 00:27:37.759
<v Speaker 2>varying descriptions were seen between seven thirty to ten thirty

512
00:27:37.960 --> 00:27:42.200
<v Speaker 2>Mountain Standard time in a space of about three hundred

513
00:27:42.240 --> 00:27:45.119
<v Speaker 2>miles from the Nevada Line through Phoenix to the edge

514
00:27:45.119 --> 00:27:48.400
<v Speaker 2>of Tucson. Some witnesses describe seeing what appeared to be

515
00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:53.440
<v Speaker 2>a huge carpenter square shaped UFO containing five spherical lights.

516
00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:57.920
<v Speaker 2>There were two distinct events involved in the in the incident,

517
00:27:58.160 --> 00:28:01.599
<v Speaker 2>A triangular for formation lights seen to pass over the state,

518
00:28:01.799 --> 00:28:04.839
<v Speaker 2>and a series of stationary lights seen in the Phoenix area.

519
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:09.279
<v Speaker 2>Both sightings were due to aircraft participating in Operation Snowbird,

520
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:12.680
<v Speaker 2>a pilot training program operated in winter by the at

521
00:28:12.880 --> 00:28:16.039
<v Speaker 2>the Air National Guard out of Davis Monthan Air Force

522
00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:19.440
<v Speaker 2>base in Tucson, Arizona. The first light group was later

523
00:28:19.480 --> 00:28:23.160
<v Speaker 2>identified as a formation of a ten Thunderbolt two aircraft

524
00:28:23.200 --> 00:28:26.680
<v Speaker 2>flying over Phoenix while returning to Davis Monton. The second

525
00:28:26.680 --> 00:28:30.720
<v Speaker 2>group of lights were identified by Robert Schaeffer as illumination

526
00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:33.799
<v Speaker 2>flares dropped by another flight of a ten aircraft that

527
00:28:33.880 --> 00:28:36.680
<v Speaker 2>were on training exercises at the Barry Goldwater Range in

528
00:28:36.720 --> 00:28:42.319
<v Speaker 2>southwest Arizona. Fife Simonton remember that name, Okay, he was

529
00:28:42.559 --> 00:28:46.279
<v Speaker 2>then the governor of Arizona at that time. Who at

530
00:28:46.319 --> 00:28:48.759
<v Speaker 2>the time, I think it was just days later. He

531
00:28:48.880 --> 00:28:51.440
<v Speaker 2>made a mockery of it, and we're going to see

532
00:28:51.519 --> 00:28:53.920
<v Speaker 2>how crazy it was. He was the governor at that time.

533
00:28:54.240 --> 00:28:57.519
<v Speaker 2>I guess he had a lot of let's just say

534
00:28:57.559 --> 00:29:01.880
<v Speaker 2>he was part of a swamp. He had some tax

535
00:29:01.880 --> 00:29:05.519
<v Speaker 2>evasion type of things that was going on and claiming

536
00:29:05.599 --> 00:29:08.359
<v Speaker 2>the politician got you, claiming that his property was worth

537
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:10.400
<v Speaker 2>way more than it actually was, and he was about

538
00:29:10.440 --> 00:29:12.799
<v Speaker 2>to go to jail and all this kind of stuff. Anyhow,

539
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:16.279
<v Speaker 2>he started talking about what the Phoenix lights were just

540
00:29:16.279 --> 00:29:19.160
<v Speaker 2>a few days after the event, and everybody was excited,

541
00:29:19.240 --> 00:29:21.160
<v Speaker 2>couldn't wait to hear what he was about to say

542
00:29:21.200 --> 00:29:25.279
<v Speaker 2>on it, because literally thousands of people and eyewitness testimonies

543
00:29:25.359 --> 00:29:27.880
<v Speaker 2>called in and reported it, right.

544
00:29:28.480 --> 00:29:30.559
<v Speaker 4>By the numbers, hundreds of thousands, dude.

545
00:29:30.640 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and this fucking guy gets up on stage and

546
00:29:34.119 --> 00:29:37.400
<v Speaker 2>makes a mockery of everybody. He goes, you know what,

547
00:29:37.440 --> 00:29:39.720
<v Speaker 2>we're gonna call the witness up right now, and we

548
00:29:39.880 --> 00:29:42.359
<v Speaker 2>are going to scold him as we sit here, and

549
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:44.599
<v Speaker 2>he's acting like he's all stern and everything. Next thing

550
00:29:44.640 --> 00:29:48.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, somebody in an alien costume comes up, wow,

551
00:29:48.839 --> 00:29:52.279
<v Speaker 2>and just makes an entire joke out of all of it. Right, So,

552
00:29:52.559 --> 00:29:55.599
<v Speaker 2>at first everybody was pissed about that because it discredited

553
00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:01.160
<v Speaker 2>so many people, like so many like legitimate, well in

554
00:30:01.279 --> 00:30:04.400
<v Speaker 2>legit researchers too, who were going around and trying to

555
00:30:04.440 --> 00:30:08.519
<v Speaker 2>collect as much information as they possibly could and finding that, like,

556
00:30:08.880 --> 00:30:11.839
<v Speaker 2>you know, the story doesn't check out. We can't go

557
00:30:11.880 --> 00:30:16.599
<v Speaker 2>with this whole Flare story because it doesn't work. So anyhow,

558
00:30:16.960 --> 00:30:19.279
<v Speaker 2>he was the governor of Arizona at the time, and

559
00:30:19.519 --> 00:30:24.720
<v Speaker 2>years later he recounted witnessing the incident, describing it as otherworldly.

560
00:30:25.160 --> 00:30:27.279
<v Speaker 2>So you're like, wait a second, you just made a

561
00:30:27.279 --> 00:30:30.000
<v Speaker 2>mockery out of everybody. And then ten years after the fact,

562
00:30:30.400 --> 00:30:34.279
<v Speaker 2>he's now at almost every single UFO con. He's now

563
00:30:34.480 --> 00:30:37.039
<v Speaker 2>like saying, I know what I saw. I know it

564
00:30:37.079 --> 00:30:40.880
<v Speaker 2>was otherworldly, and he goes on these like wild, long rants,

565
00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.960
<v Speaker 2>and some people have suggested that he couldn't tell the story,

566
00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:47.839
<v Speaker 2>and he's actually said that. He said, you know, I

567
00:30:47.839 --> 00:30:49.680
<v Speaker 2>couldn't tell the story. I was in I was in

568
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.759
<v Speaker 2>some pretty fucking deep water back then, and if I

569
00:30:52.759 --> 00:30:55.960
<v Speaker 2>would have said anything I was, I was advised to

570
00:30:56.039 --> 00:30:58.640
<v Speaker 2>make a mockery of it, he said, which is believable.

571
00:30:59.240 --> 00:31:01.160
<v Speaker 3>I couldn't believe that I had to be honest, especially

572
00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:03.000
<v Speaker 3>as we talked about all the things that over the

573
00:31:03.000 --> 00:31:05.599
<v Speaker 3>past few days. We've talked about the powers that be,

574
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:08.039
<v Speaker 3>and yes, there's state level powers that be, but there's

575
00:31:08.039 --> 00:31:12.079
<v Speaker 3>also federal and international powers that be that will absolutely

576
00:31:12.079 --> 00:31:13.920
<v Speaker 3>come and have a sit down with you and say, hey,

577
00:31:14.000 --> 00:31:16.960
<v Speaker 3>you didn't see what you saw, and you're gonna go

578
00:31:17.000 --> 00:31:18.960
<v Speaker 3>out loud and proud about that fact that we just

579
00:31:18.960 --> 00:31:19.960
<v Speaker 3>told you that as a fact.

580
00:31:20.279 --> 00:31:22.160
<v Speaker 2>Let me tell you where it gets even weirder with

581
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:27.599
<v Speaker 2>this whole Fife Simington character. So I guess he went

582
00:31:27.680 --> 00:31:30.720
<v Speaker 2>to high school or middle school or something like that

583
00:31:30.799 --> 00:31:36.319
<v Speaker 2>with Bill Clinton, right, and so he's in Arkansas, I guess. So,

584
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:38.920
<v Speaker 2>so he's the governor of Arizona at this time, or

585
00:31:38.960 --> 00:31:40.759
<v Speaker 2>they went to like I don't think it was middle school.

586
00:31:40.799 --> 00:31:42.880
<v Speaker 2>I think it was like a summer camp situation or

587
00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:47.240
<v Speaker 2>something like that. They were young, and supposedly he saved

588
00:31:47.279 --> 00:31:50.160
<v Speaker 2>Bill Clinton from drowning in a tide pool or something

589
00:31:50.240 --> 00:31:55.200
<v Speaker 2>like that, which is whatever. That's cool because Bill Clinton.

590
00:31:54.880 --> 00:31:56.759
<v Speaker 4>Was a little fat boy when he was growing up too.

591
00:31:57.440 --> 00:32:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Oh I didn't know that. But anyway, so he allegedly

592
00:32:01.279 --> 00:32:05.039
<v Speaker 2>saves him, he gets in all of this trouble, right, like,

593
00:32:05.359 --> 00:32:08.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, trying to write off his property as being

594
00:32:08.599 --> 00:32:11.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot more expensive or whatever or a lot cheaper.

595
00:32:11.559 --> 00:32:13.319
<v Speaker 2>I don't know the exact story, we're gonna get to it.

596
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:17.839
<v Speaker 2>And then he goes on this whole charade, making a

597
00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:21.559
<v Speaker 2>mockery out of the whole Phoenix Light situation, and literally

598
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:25.720
<v Speaker 2>like six months later, Bill Clinton pardons him for all

599
00:32:25.759 --> 00:32:28.480
<v Speaker 2>of that shit that he did, so it's like you

600
00:32:28.559 --> 00:32:31.079
<v Speaker 2>scratch my back, I scratch yours. And now here he

601
00:32:31.200 --> 00:32:33.599
<v Speaker 2>is ten years later saying I know what I saw.

602
00:32:34.559 --> 00:32:37.440
<v Speaker 3>Wow, So you got pardon for all his income tax

603
00:32:37.440 --> 00:32:39.119
<v Speaker 3>of Asian shit and how he can be loud and

604
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:39.759
<v Speaker 3>proud about it.

605
00:32:39.880 --> 00:32:40.680
<v Speaker 4>That's interesting.

606
00:32:40.839 --> 00:32:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

607
00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:41.920
<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

608
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.680
<v Speaker 2>So it says reports of similar lights arose in two

609
00:32:45.720 --> 00:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>thousand and seven and two thousand and eight and were

610
00:32:47.960 --> 00:32:51.160
<v Speaker 2>attributed to military flares dropped by fighter aircraft at Luke

611
00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:55.680
<v Speaker 2>Air Force Base and flares attached to helium balloons released

612
00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.799
<v Speaker 2>by a civilian, respectively. So that's later, and we're gonna

613
00:32:59.799 --> 00:33:03.480
<v Speaker 2>get to later story. Dude. I was so because I

614
00:33:03.559 --> 00:33:07.960
<v Speaker 2>saw that that your your boy, Uh shit, what is

615
00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:10.839
<v Speaker 2>his name? The actor we were just talking about, Kurt Russell.

616
00:33:10.920 --> 00:33:13.559
<v Speaker 2>Kurt Russell. Yeah, I saw Kurt Russell, you know, talked

617
00:33:13.559 --> 00:33:16.039
<v Speaker 2>about how he was an eyewitness. And then I saw

618
00:33:16.880 --> 00:33:21.559
<v Speaker 2>another another big name that was allegedly involved into the

619
00:33:21.559 --> 00:33:25.640
<v Speaker 2>Phoenix lights. Fucking Alice Cooper was there also, and I

620
00:33:25.720 --> 00:33:27.839
<v Speaker 2>was like, oh my god, Alice Cooper saw it too,

621
00:33:27.880 --> 00:33:30.960
<v Speaker 2>that's crazy. Turns out it wasn't until he saw the

622
00:33:31.039 --> 00:33:33.680
<v Speaker 2>same thing two or three years later. So we're gonna

623
00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:36.200
<v Speaker 2>see that story a little bit later too in Phoenix.

624
00:33:36.559 --> 00:33:40.559
<v Speaker 2>In Phoenix, Yeah what yeah, yeah, he saw it too.

625
00:33:40.759 --> 00:33:42.559
<v Speaker 2>I think he saw it in two thousand.

626
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.000
<v Speaker 4>He goes, yeah, I didn't realized there was a second

627
00:33:45.039 --> 00:33:46.039
<v Speaker 4>Phoenix Lights event.

628
00:33:47.160 --> 00:33:48.440
<v Speaker 2>He was the only I think he was the only

629
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:50.720
<v Speaker 2>one that reported on it. But he said he was

630
00:33:50.759 --> 00:33:53.759
<v Speaker 2>out alone in the desert. He was driving home to California.

631
00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:56.079
<v Speaker 2>He went to do something and in Phoenix, maybe I

632
00:33:56.119 --> 00:33:59.160
<v Speaker 2>don't know, maybe at a concert or something. And on

633
00:33:59.200 --> 00:34:01.200
<v Speaker 2>his way back home it was in the dead of night,

634
00:34:01.240 --> 00:34:02.799
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the desert, and he goes, I

635
00:34:02.839 --> 00:34:05.279
<v Speaker 2>saw the fucking Phoenix Lights. Like, I'm not making that up.

636
00:34:05.960 --> 00:34:06.680
<v Speaker 4>Holy shit.

637
00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:09.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, yeah, so, I mean it is Arizona. It is

638
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:11.760
<v Speaker 2>the desert that is where they do a lot of

639
00:34:11.760 --> 00:34:14.119
<v Speaker 2>practice show. I'm not saying that the Air Force in

640
00:34:14.159 --> 00:34:17.440
<v Speaker 2>the Air National Guard doesn't do these operations. I'm not

641
00:34:17.480 --> 00:34:21.320
<v Speaker 2>saying that. But there's way more to this story, Okay,

642
00:34:21.760 --> 00:34:25.679
<v Speaker 2>So let's get to it. On March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven,

643
00:34:25.719 --> 00:34:30.239
<v Speaker 2>at seven to fifty five pm MST, a witness in Henderson, Nevada,

644
00:34:30.320 --> 00:34:34.480
<v Speaker 2>reported seeing a large V shaped object traveling southeast at

645
00:34:34.519 --> 00:34:38.559
<v Speaker 2>eight fifteen PM, an unidentified former police officer in Paulden,

646
00:34:38.639 --> 00:34:41.199
<v Speaker 2>Arizona more on Him in a little Bit, reported seeing

647
00:34:41.239 --> 00:34:45.239
<v Speaker 2>a cluster of reddish orange lights disappear over the southern horizon.

648
00:34:45.519 --> 00:34:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Shortly afterward, there were reports of lights seen over the

649
00:34:49.880 --> 00:34:54.639
<v Speaker 2>Prescott Valley in Arizona. Tim Lay and his wife Bobby

650
00:34:54.679 --> 00:34:59.639
<v Speaker 2>more on Them, his son Howl, and his grandson Damien

651
00:35:00.119 --> 00:35:02.800
<v Speaker 2>first saw the lights when they were about sixty five

652
00:35:02.840 --> 00:35:05.599
<v Speaker 2>miles away from them. At first, the lights appeared to

653
00:35:05.639 --> 00:35:08.960
<v Speaker 2>have five separate and distinct lights in an arc shape,

654
00:35:09.199 --> 00:35:11.039
<v Speaker 2>as if they were on top of a balloon. But

655
00:35:11.119 --> 00:35:13.440
<v Speaker 2>they soon realized that the lights appeared to be moving

656
00:35:13.480 --> 00:35:16.639
<v Speaker 2>towards them over the next ten or so minutes, so

657
00:35:16.679 --> 00:35:18.920
<v Speaker 2>they over the next ten or so minutes, just as

658
00:35:18.960 --> 00:35:21.440
<v Speaker 2>it says right here in the Wikipedia article, they saw

659
00:35:21.480 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 2>it over the next ten or so minutes. Players only

660
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:25.960
<v Speaker 2>last a maximum of forty fucking seconds.

661
00:35:26.000 --> 00:35:29.679
<v Speaker 4>Dude, Yeah, okay, none of that makes sense, but all right.

662
00:35:30.239 --> 00:35:33.119
<v Speaker 2>The lights appeared to come closer. Over the next ten minutes,

663
00:35:33.199 --> 00:35:36.159
<v Speaker 2>the distance between the lights increased, and they took on

664
00:35:36.320 --> 00:35:39.559
<v Speaker 2>the shape of an upside down V. Eventually, when the

665
00:35:39.639 --> 00:35:41.800
<v Speaker 2>lights appeared to be a couple of miles away. The

666
00:35:41.840 --> 00:35:43.800
<v Speaker 2>family said that they can make out a shape that

667
00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:48.079
<v Speaker 2>looked like a sixty degree carpenter square with five lights

668
00:35:48.159 --> 00:35:51.639
<v Speaker 2>set into it, with one at the front and two

669
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:55.440
<v Speaker 2>on each side. Soon, the object with the embedded lights

670
00:35:55.440 --> 00:35:57.840
<v Speaker 2>appeared to be moving toward them, about one hundred to

671
00:35:57.880 --> 00:36:01.320
<v Speaker 2>one hundred and fifty feet above them, not very high

672
00:36:01.360 --> 00:36:03.719
<v Speaker 2>above them, one hundred and two one hundred and fifty feet.

673
00:36:03.559 --> 00:36:06.119
<v Speaker 4>Above them right now, I mean in the night sky.

674
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<v Speaker 3>I understand that perhaps your depth perception is not at

675
00:36:10.880 --> 00:36:15.039
<v Speaker 3>max power, right you are guestimating based off of what

676
00:36:15.079 --> 00:36:17.920
<v Speaker 3>you can guess off of in the sky, And I mean,

677
00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:19.920
<v Speaker 3>how can you really tell if something is one thousand

678
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:23.000
<v Speaker 3>feet versus eight hundred feet? Okay, I get that, But

679
00:36:23.480 --> 00:36:25.239
<v Speaker 3>to say that it's one hundred and fifty feet that

680
00:36:25.360 --> 00:36:29.159
<v Speaker 3>is really low, Like there's no distinct, There's no way

681
00:36:29.199 --> 00:36:31.880
<v Speaker 3>this is like where a helicopter with a searchlight is

682
00:36:31.920 --> 00:36:33.599
<v Speaker 3>flying over looking for somebody.

683
00:36:33.679 --> 00:36:35.599
<v Speaker 4>That's about the height that they would fly at.

684
00:36:35.639 --> 00:36:38.719
<v Speaker 3>There's no way that you're making that into a guestimation

685
00:36:38.760 --> 00:36:40.519
<v Speaker 3>of a thousand feet, even in the night sky.

686
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:44.000
<v Speaker 2>So if this story is true that they saw it

687
00:36:44.039 --> 00:36:45.960
<v Speaker 2>at one hundred to one hundred and fifty feet and

688
00:36:46.000 --> 00:36:49.159
<v Speaker 2>they saw it coming at them for over ten minutes.

689
00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:52.960
<v Speaker 2>It cannot be a fighter jet. Fighter jets ain't taken

690
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:54.519
<v Speaker 2>that fucking slow, right.

691
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:55.199
<v Speaker 10>And you.

692
00:36:57.079 --> 00:36:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Would hear them. It cannot be flares because you're not

693
00:37:00.039 --> 00:37:01.400
<v Speaker 2>to see it over the course of ten minutes.

694
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:02.239
<v Speaker 4>Noe.

695
00:37:02.320 --> 00:37:05.760
<v Speaker 2>And they were able to look up. And some might say, well,

696
00:37:05.760 --> 00:37:08.519
<v Speaker 2>maybe it was a helicopter. If they if they said

697
00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:10.079
<v Speaker 2>that it was only one hundred to one hundred and

698
00:37:10.119 --> 00:37:12.400
<v Speaker 2>fifty feet above their head, I'm pretty sure they'd be

699
00:37:12.440 --> 00:37:15.639
<v Speaker 2>able to be able to make the distinction between what

700
00:37:15.760 --> 00:37:16.920
<v Speaker 2>is a helicopter and what is not.

701
00:37:17.719 --> 00:37:18.320
<v Speaker 4>I'll put it like this.

702
00:37:18.440 --> 00:37:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Keep in mind, a football field is three hundred feet Okay,

703
00:37:21.719 --> 00:37:26.199
<v Speaker 3>so we are talking about a third of that real talk.

704
00:37:27.079 --> 00:37:30.199
<v Speaker 3>And you think that they wouldn't be able to hear

705
00:37:30.599 --> 00:37:31.880
<v Speaker 3>if it was something mechanical.

706
00:37:33.480 --> 00:37:35.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, uh, three hundred and sixty feet if you can

707
00:37:36.199 --> 00:37:37.000
<v Speaker 2>include the ends.

708
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:39.199
<v Speaker 3>Including conce fair enough. But my point is if a

709
00:37:39.199 --> 00:37:42.159
<v Speaker 3>helicopter just landed on the opposite end of a football

710
00:37:42.199 --> 00:37:45.159
<v Speaker 3>field from you, you can fucking hear it. And that

711
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:47.960
<v Speaker 3>is three times the distance that we are talking about

712
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:48.440
<v Speaker 3>at this time.

713
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:51.519
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, so it says it was about one hundred to

714
00:37:51.599 --> 00:37:54.920
<v Speaker 2>one hundred feet above them, one hundred to one hundred

715
00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:57.760
<v Speaker 2>and fifty feet above them, sorry, traveling so slowly that

716
00:37:57.840 --> 00:38:01.079
<v Speaker 2>it gave the appearance of a silent huve object which

717
00:38:01.079 --> 00:38:03.760
<v Speaker 2>seemed to pass over their heads and went through a

718
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:06.880
<v Speaker 2>v opening in the peaks of the mountain range towards

719
00:38:08.719 --> 00:38:12.559
<v Speaker 2>piscet toua peak mountain I don't pret of that one,

720
00:38:12.719 --> 00:38:16.119
<v Speaker 2>and toward the direction of Phoenix Sky Harbor International Airport.

721
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:19.400
<v Speaker 2>Actor Kurt Russell, an amateur pilot, then reported seeing the

722
00:38:19.480 --> 00:38:22.159
<v Speaker 2>lights to air traffic Control between eight thirty and eight

723
00:38:22.199 --> 00:38:25.920
<v Speaker 2>to forty five PM. Witnesses in Glendale, a suburb northwest

724
00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:29.320
<v Speaker 2>of Phoenix, saw the light formation pass overhead and an

725
00:38:29.320 --> 00:38:33.159
<v Speaker 2>altitude high enough to become obscured by the thin clouds.

726
00:38:33.920 --> 00:38:37.760
<v Speaker 2>Amateur astronomer Mitch Stanley and Scottsdale, Arizona, also observed the

727
00:38:37.800 --> 00:38:41.159
<v Speaker 2>high altitude lights flying in formation through a telescope. According

728
00:38:41.199 --> 00:38:45.719
<v Speaker 2>to Stanley, they were quite clearly individual airplanes. He's the

729
00:38:45.719 --> 00:38:48.519
<v Speaker 2>only one. He's the only one that says that, by

730
00:38:48.559 --> 00:38:52.000
<v Speaker 2>the way, he's he's the only person out of the

731
00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.119
<v Speaker 2>thousands of people that were out there that says it

732
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:56.480
<v Speaker 2>was clearly airplanes.

733
00:38:57.639 --> 00:38:58.440
<v Speaker 4>That would make sense.

734
00:38:58.440 --> 00:39:03.599
<v Speaker 3>Why the mainstream narrative continuously sources him as like, clearly

735
00:39:03.639 --> 00:39:06.039
<v Speaker 3>the guy in the know, the twenty one year old

736
00:39:06.079 --> 00:39:10.400
<v Speaker 3>who happened to have a decent telescope who happened to

737
00:39:10.519 --> 00:39:12.320
<v Speaker 3>look up at it at that one point.

738
00:39:12.800 --> 00:39:16.760
<v Speaker 2>Sure it's bunk, is what it is? Yeah? So, And

739
00:39:16.800 --> 00:39:19.679
<v Speaker 2>then at approximately ten o'clock that same evening, a large

740
00:39:19.719 --> 00:39:22.360
<v Speaker 2>number of people in the Phoenix area reported seeing a

741
00:39:22.480 --> 00:39:26.000
<v Speaker 2>row of brilliant lights hovering in the sky or slowly falling.

742
00:39:26.320 --> 00:39:30.960
<v Speaker 2>The number of photographs and videos were taken, prompting author

743
00:39:31.119 --> 00:39:34.039
<v Speaker 2>Robert Schaeffer to describe it as perhaps the most widely

744
00:39:34.119 --> 00:39:38.719
<v Speaker 2>witnessed UFO event in history. Yet we're going to rely

745
00:39:39.159 --> 00:39:41.480
<v Speaker 2>on the words of a twenty one year old dude.

746
00:39:41.519 --> 00:39:44.239
<v Speaker 2>You know how retarded we were when we were twenty one?

747
00:39:44.880 --> 00:39:47.719
<v Speaker 2>I mean, actually will know it alls.

748
00:39:47.480 --> 00:39:48.280
<v Speaker 4>Oh for sure.

749
00:39:49.000 --> 00:39:50.719
<v Speaker 3>I will say that I thought I knew way more

750
00:39:50.719 --> 00:39:52.360
<v Speaker 3>at nineteen than I did at twenty one.

751
00:39:52.400 --> 00:39:53.679
<v Speaker 4>And at twenty one, I was.

752
00:39:53.599 --> 00:39:55.440
<v Speaker 3>Getting out of the Marine Corps, I was married, I

753
00:39:55.440 --> 00:39:57.880
<v Speaker 3>had a kid, like you know, it was that. But

754
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:02.199
<v Speaker 3>at the same time, people and myself included at twenty one.

755
00:40:02.400 --> 00:40:06.119
<v Speaker 4>Are still fucking retarded. Have no clue what way is up,

756
00:40:06.199 --> 00:40:07.360
<v Speaker 4>have no clue what they're doing.

757
00:40:07.400 --> 00:40:09.400
<v Speaker 3>They think they got a plan, they think they got

758
00:40:09.400 --> 00:40:12.719
<v Speaker 3>it figured out, but it's you know, yeah.

759
00:40:12.679 --> 00:40:14.559
<v Speaker 2>Not very bright individuals at twenty one.

760
00:40:14.719 --> 00:40:16.760
<v Speaker 4>N No, God do they think they are?

761
00:40:17.559 --> 00:40:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Yeah, we remember, so then there are explanations, it says.

762
00:40:21.360 --> 00:40:23.880
<v Speaker 2>According to Schaeffer, what became known as the Phoenix Lights

763
00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:27.800
<v Speaker 2>incident in nineteen ninety seven consists of two unrelated incidents,

764
00:40:27.840 --> 00:40:30.960
<v Speaker 2>although both were the result of activities of the same organization,

765
00:40:31.360 --> 00:40:35.760
<v Speaker 2>Operation Snowbird, a pilot training program operated in the winter

766
00:40:35.880 --> 00:40:37.960
<v Speaker 2>by the Air National Guard out of Davis, month And

767
00:40:38.000 --> 00:40:43.239
<v Speaker 2>Air Force Base in Tucson, Arizona. Tucson astronomer and retired

768
00:40:43.280 --> 00:40:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Air Force pilot James mcgaha said he also investigated the

769
00:40:47.559 --> 00:40:50.199
<v Speaker 2>two separate sightings and traced them both to a ten

770
00:40:50.360 --> 00:40:53.760
<v Speaker 2>Thunderbolt two aircraft flying in formation at high altitude. The

771
00:40:53.800 --> 00:40:57.880
<v Speaker 2>first incident, often perceived as a large flying triangle by witnesses,

772
00:40:57.920 --> 00:41:01.800
<v Speaker 2>began at approximately eight pm. It was due to five

773
00:41:01.960 --> 00:41:05.599
<v Speaker 2>A ten jets from Operation Snowbird, allowing an assigned air

774
00:41:05.639 --> 00:41:11.039
<v Speaker 2>traffic corridor and flying under visual flight rules Federal Aviation

775
00:41:11.199 --> 00:41:16.079
<v Speaker 2>Administration or the FAA rules concerning private and commercial aircraft

776
00:41:16.079 --> 00:41:18.760
<v Speaker 2>do not apply to military aircraft, so the A ten

777
00:41:19.119 --> 00:41:23.960
<v Speaker 2>formation displayed steady formation lights rather than blinking collision lights.

778
00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:27.360
<v Speaker 2>The formation flew over Phoenix and on too Tucson, landing

779
00:41:27.400 --> 00:41:32.079
<v Speaker 2>at Davis Month and AFB at around eight forty five pm.

780
00:41:32.679 --> 00:41:35.800
<v Speaker 2>The second incident, described as a row of bright brilliant

781
00:41:35.920 --> 00:41:39.880
<v Speaker 2>lights hovering in the sky or slowly falling, began at

782
00:41:39.920 --> 00:41:43.000
<v Speaker 2>approximately ten pm and was due to a flare drop

783
00:41:43.079 --> 00:41:46.280
<v Speaker 2>exercise by different A ten jets from the Maryland Air

784
00:41:46.400 --> 00:41:50.440
<v Speaker 2>National Guard, also operating out of Davis montham AFB as

785
00:41:50.519 --> 00:41:55.599
<v Speaker 2>part of Operation Snowbird. The US Air Force explained the

786
00:41:55.639 --> 00:42:01.639
<v Speaker 2>exercises utilizing snowfallings long burning lu U DASH two B

787
00:42:01.719 --> 00:42:05.840
<v Speaker 2>slash B illumination flares dropped by a flight of four

788
00:42:05.880 --> 00:42:08.239
<v Speaker 2>to A ten aircraft on a training exercise of the

789
00:42:08.239 --> 00:42:12.719
<v Speaker 2>bary M Goldwater Air Force Range in western Pima County, Arizona.

790
00:42:13.079 --> 00:42:15.840
<v Speaker 3>The flares is a nomenclature on those flares. One more time, sir,

791
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:17.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna do a little searching.

792
00:42:17.920 --> 00:42:24.000
<v Speaker 2>That would be long burning lu U dash two B

793
00:42:24.559 --> 00:42:26.920
<v Speaker 2>slash B illumination flares.

794
00:42:28.239 --> 00:42:30.039
<v Speaker 4>I got it, continue, sir.

795
00:42:30.360 --> 00:42:32.719
<v Speaker 2>The flares would have been visible in Phoenix and appeared

796
00:42:32.719 --> 00:42:34.920
<v Speaker 2>to hover due to the rising heat from the burning

797
00:42:34.920 --> 00:42:38.559
<v Speaker 2>flares creating a balloona effect on their parachutes, which slowed

798
00:42:38.599 --> 00:42:41.280
<v Speaker 2>the descent. The lights then appeared to wink out as

799
00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:44.079
<v Speaker 2>they fell behind the Sierra Istralla Mountain Range to the

800
00:42:44.119 --> 00:42:48.079
<v Speaker 2>southwest of Phoenix. The lights likely appeared to block out

801
00:42:48.119 --> 00:42:51.320
<v Speaker 2>background stars because of their brightness, making it harder to

802
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.960
<v Speaker 2>see dim objects like stars in the areas they laid out.

803
00:42:56.320 --> 00:43:02.519
<v Speaker 2>A maryland ANNG pilot lut Lieutenant Colonel Ed Jones, responding

804
00:43:02.519 --> 00:43:05.800
<v Speaker 2>to a March two thousand and seven media query, confirmed

805
00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:07.639
<v Speaker 2>that he had flown one of the aircraft in the

806
00:43:07.679 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 2>formation that dropped the flares on the night in question.

807
00:43:10.519 --> 00:43:13.519
<v Speaker 2>The squadron to which he belonged was at Davis, Monthem

808
00:43:13.559 --> 00:43:16.400
<v Speaker 2>AFB on a training exercise at the time, and flew

809
00:43:16.519 --> 00:43:19.360
<v Speaker 2>training sorties to the Goldwater Air Force Range on the

810
00:43:19.440 --> 00:43:24.039
<v Speaker 2>night in question, according to the Maryland Ang. A history

811
00:43:24.280 --> 00:43:29.519
<v Speaker 2>of the Maryland Ang published in two thousand asserted the squadron,

812
00:43:29.800 --> 00:43:33.199
<v Speaker 2>the one hundred and fourth Fighter Squadron, was responsible for

813
00:43:33.239 --> 00:43:35.880
<v Speaker 2>the incident. The first reports that members of the Maryland

814
00:43:35.960 --> 00:43:38.679
<v Speaker 2>ang were responsible for the incident were published in the

815
00:43:38.679 --> 00:43:43.320
<v Speaker 2>Arizona Republic in July of nineteen ninety seven. Later, comparisons

816
00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:48.000
<v Speaker 2>with non military flare drops were reported. Local were reported

817
00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:52.000
<v Speaker 2>on local television stations showing similarities between the known military

818
00:43:52.039 --> 00:43:54.679
<v Speaker 2>flare drops and the Phoenix lights. An analysis of the

819
00:43:54.760 --> 00:44:00.079
<v Speaker 2>luminosity of the LUU dash two B slash B illumination flares,

820
00:44:00.119 --> 00:44:03.320
<v Speaker 2>the type which would have been been in use by

821
00:44:03.400 --> 00:44:06.679
<v Speaker 2>a ten aircraft at the time, determined that the luminosity

822
00:44:06.719 --> 00:44:09.159
<v Speaker 2>of such flares at a range of approximately fifty to

823
00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:12.199
<v Speaker 2>seventy miles would fall well within the range of the

824
00:44:12.280 --> 00:44:13.599
<v Speaker 2>lights viewed from Phoenix.

825
00:44:14.440 --> 00:44:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so I looked it up, And granted we looked

826
00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:21.760
<v Speaker 3>up just general flares earlier, but now we got some

827
00:44:21.800 --> 00:44:24.519
<v Speaker 3>real nomenclature. Now we know the exact type that they

828
00:44:24.519 --> 00:44:26.679
<v Speaker 3>are trying to say with the official narrative. And I

829
00:44:26.719 --> 00:44:28.880
<v Speaker 3>will say that yes, they do in fact burn laurunger

830
00:44:29.000 --> 00:44:33.599
<v Speaker 3>than forty seconds. But the eyewitness testimony from hundreds of

831
00:44:33.639 --> 00:44:36.280
<v Speaker 3>thousands of people say that they saw them for ten minutes,

832
00:44:36.400 --> 00:44:39.199
<v Speaker 3>right m h or even longer. I guess in the

833
00:44:39.199 --> 00:44:43.679
<v Speaker 3>case of ten minutes or right, Okay. The LUU two

834
00:44:43.840 --> 00:44:47.719
<v Speaker 3>B slash B illumination flare is an aircraft deployed high

835
00:44:47.760 --> 00:44:51.559
<v Speaker 3>intensity flare with a burn time of approximately four to

836
00:44:51.800 --> 00:44:54.639
<v Speaker 3>five minutes. It is designed to be deployed from a

837
00:44:54.679 --> 00:44:57.039
<v Speaker 3>pod or canister on aircraft and is equipped with a

838
00:44:57.039 --> 00:44:59.679
<v Speaker 3>parachute and a timer to ignite the flare and slow

839
00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:05.039
<v Speaker 3>its the scent, illuminating a ground area for about five meters,

840
00:45:06.079 --> 00:45:11.360
<v Speaker 3>illuminating a ground area for about or of about five

841
00:45:11.440 --> 00:45:14.159
<v Speaker 3>hundred meters. So what this is is they deploy this

842
00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:19.159
<v Speaker 3>flare to give illumination to ground forces.

843
00:45:19.079 --> 00:45:21.239
<v Speaker 2>Right right, And okay, I just want to keep in

844
00:45:21.280 --> 00:45:25.320
<v Speaker 2>mind too, these are the same flares that allegedly were

845
00:45:25.360 --> 00:45:29.480
<v Speaker 2>seen from Nevada all the way through Tucson.

846
00:45:30.719 --> 00:45:32.239
<v Speaker 3>Let me let me share the screen so we can

847
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:34.920
<v Speaker 3>get an image of what kind this looks like in

848
00:45:34.960 --> 00:45:42.360
<v Speaker 3>real practice. Here from from Nevada to Tucson in five minutes, Max,

849
00:45:43.159 --> 00:45:45.239
<v Speaker 3>This is what we're talking about. You see how these

850
00:45:45.239 --> 00:45:47.719
<v Speaker 3>are people on the ground and the flare is providing

851
00:45:47.760 --> 00:45:49.199
<v Speaker 3>them light to where they could see what the fuck

852
00:45:49.199 --> 00:45:49.679
<v Speaker 3>they're doing.

853
00:45:50.679 --> 00:45:53.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you can see the tails on those. You can

854
00:45:53.079 --> 00:45:53.960
<v Speaker 2>see the tails on them.

855
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:56.519
<v Speaker 3>You see how they you know, have the smoke you

856
00:45:56.559 --> 00:45:58.920
<v Speaker 3>see how, Yes they give off light, but they are

857
00:45:59.039 --> 00:46:04.239
<v Speaker 3>used to like up a certain battlefield. So you're telling

858
00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:09.719
<v Speaker 3>me that this group of thunderbirds launched these somewhere in

859
00:46:09.840 --> 00:46:13.000
<v Speaker 3>Nevada and the wind carried them in the course of

860
00:46:13.519 --> 00:46:16.320
<v Speaker 3>best case scenario five. I'll even give you even benefit

861
00:46:16.320 --> 00:46:18.320
<v Speaker 3>of the doubt and say that maybe these were accidentally

862
00:46:18.360 --> 00:46:23.199
<v Speaker 3>extra packed. So six minutes they made the travel from

863
00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:28.400
<v Speaker 3>the Nevada Desert to Phoenix, Arizona, and then past Phoenix.

864
00:46:28.880 --> 00:46:31.199
<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry, what are we fucking talking about here?

865
00:46:31.400 --> 00:46:34.679
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying, dude. So it's it's pretty wild,

866
00:46:34.800 --> 00:46:37.199
<v Speaker 2>I do, all right. So now let's just get to

867
00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:40.400
<v Speaker 2>the actual lights. This is from not This is just

868
00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:43.039
<v Speaker 2>from a regular person who decided to whip out his

869
00:46:43.079 --> 00:46:48.280
<v Speaker 2>camera and take This is the most I believe that

870
00:46:48.360 --> 00:46:53.280
<v Speaker 2>this is the most like accredited video of the Phoenix lights.

871
00:46:53.679 --> 00:46:56.039
<v Speaker 2>So right, and you'll hear them like psyched out in

872
00:46:56.079 --> 00:46:58.800
<v Speaker 2>the background and everything. It's pretty funny. But four and

873
00:46:58.800 --> 00:47:00.440
<v Speaker 2>a half minutes. We ain't got to watch the whole thing,

874
00:47:00.639 --> 00:47:05.039
<v Speaker 2>but you can see it right here.

875
00:47:05.760 --> 00:47:09.320
<v Speaker 4>I need I got him with their spotting scope somewhere here.

876
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:12.599
<v Speaker 2>If somebody wants to look into that, there's two side

877
00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:13.039
<v Speaker 2>by side.

878
00:47:13.079 --> 00:47:14.960
<v Speaker 4>This is slightly different.

879
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:15.719
<v Speaker 2>It's not the one.

880
00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:22.840
<v Speaker 11>Look wait where, look at that.

881
00:47:23.840 --> 00:47:26.159
<v Speaker 1>There's no one. We're just excited.

882
00:47:30.960 --> 00:47:32.239
<v Speaker 2>I got that one.

883
00:47:32.800 --> 00:47:33.599
<v Speaker 1>There's them.

884
00:47:33.639 --> 00:47:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Look at the three of them altogether.

885
00:47:35.239 --> 00:47:37.880
<v Speaker 12>I got the third one popping there.

886
00:47:39.760 --> 00:47:40.599
<v Speaker 13>I got four of them.

887
00:47:41.559 --> 00:47:42.719
<v Speaker 4>Major sighting here.

888
00:47:43.599 --> 00:47:44.719
<v Speaker 14>That's no, there's fine.

889
00:47:45.679 --> 00:47:50.880
<v Speaker 2>Another showed up multiple maybe somebody. No, those are in

890
00:47:50.920 --> 00:47:54.360
<v Speaker 2>the skies underneath that. Now, Jacob, did those look like

891
00:47:54.440 --> 00:47:55.440
<v Speaker 2>flares to you, sir?

892
00:47:56.320 --> 00:48:00.400
<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna be honest video it like you see another

893
00:48:00.440 --> 00:48:02.880
<v Speaker 3>one pop out of nowhere and another one pop out

894
00:48:02.920 --> 00:48:04.800
<v Speaker 3>of nowhere. It's not like they're shooting off from the

895
00:48:04.840 --> 00:48:09.400
<v Speaker 3>wings of a plane by any means. These are not airplanes.

896
00:48:09.679 --> 00:48:13.400
<v Speaker 3>They're not blinking. Just like they said, Operation Snowbird, those

897
00:48:13.519 --> 00:48:17.800
<v Speaker 3>thunderbirds were operating in the realm of legality of what

898
00:48:17.880 --> 00:48:19.320
<v Speaker 3>you have to do when you are up in the

899
00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:21.079
<v Speaker 3>sky at night. You have to have red and green

900
00:48:21.119 --> 00:48:23.480
<v Speaker 3>and white blinking lights on your craft. That is a law,

901
00:48:23.800 --> 00:48:26.480
<v Speaker 3>even the military when they're doing operations bye by the law.

902
00:48:27.239 --> 00:48:31.800
<v Speaker 3>And this is this is not that not even close, dude.

903
00:48:33.039 --> 00:48:36.159
<v Speaker 2>I've never and and I could be wrong, but and

904
00:48:36.239 --> 00:48:39.679
<v Speaker 2>this is a old video. It's filmed in nineteen ninety seven,

905
00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:43.599
<v Speaker 2>probably using a fucking cam quarter right. Yeah, but in

906
00:48:43.719 --> 00:48:45.679
<v Speaker 2>grainy as it may be, you can still see the

907
00:48:45.679 --> 00:48:48.320
<v Speaker 2>formation of these things. Watch.

908
00:48:48.440 --> 00:48:49.480
<v Speaker 4>I mean, just how at.

909
00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:51.159
<v Speaker 3>This moment, I can't see a full V I see

910
00:48:51.159 --> 00:48:53.039
<v Speaker 3>a straight line that I see the two at the back,

911
00:48:53.079 --> 00:48:54.519
<v Speaker 3>and like, there's something to be said for that. But

912
00:48:54.960 --> 00:48:57.679
<v Speaker 3>even still, you saw one and then it kind of

913
00:48:57.800 --> 00:48:59.480
<v Speaker 3>was a little wider, so it might have been two

914
00:48:59.480 --> 00:49:01.679
<v Speaker 3>that kind of it off from each other. Three and

915
00:49:01.800 --> 00:49:04.199
<v Speaker 3>four popped about of nowhere. The two at the back

916
00:49:04.599 --> 00:49:06.039
<v Speaker 3>absolutely out of nowhere.

917
00:49:06.639 --> 00:49:09.800
<v Speaker 2>But these things aren't falling. They're just staying in one place.

918
00:49:10.960 --> 00:49:13.559
<v Speaker 3>And I mean, now, granted we can't tell because it's

919
00:49:13.559 --> 00:49:15.360
<v Speaker 3>in the night sky, so I mean we can't see

920
00:49:15.360 --> 00:49:17.280
<v Speaker 3>how they're like if they're falling behind a building or

921
00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:20.199
<v Speaker 3>something whatever, But it does not appear that they are

922
00:49:20.719 --> 00:49:22.880
<v Speaker 3>falling by any means. It looks like they're gliding. And

923
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:25.360
<v Speaker 3>now we have three instead of four at the front. Okay,

924
00:49:25.440 --> 00:49:27.679
<v Speaker 3>one of them just blinked out.

925
00:49:28.159 --> 00:49:31.159
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. This it's funny because it says that this is an.

926
00:49:31.119 --> 00:49:35.360
<v Speaker 3>Eight k ah damn that has a testament to the

927
00:49:35.440 --> 00:49:35.920
<v Speaker 3>day and age.

928
00:49:36.960 --> 00:49:38.559
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and like you see, you see how he's trying to.

929
00:49:38.599 --> 00:49:40.800
<v Speaker 3>Zoom in on it, but because the camera is not

930
00:49:40.880 --> 00:49:44.079
<v Speaker 3>the best quality, it's starting to like do some weird things.

931
00:49:44.119 --> 00:49:46.119
<v Speaker 3>But that's not the lights doing that, that is the

932
00:49:46.159 --> 00:49:51.320
<v Speaker 3>camera quality. Yeah, he just refocused right, wow.

933
00:49:52.000 --> 00:49:56.800
<v Speaker 2>Right, but staying in that same diagonalar or diet what

934
00:49:56.880 --> 00:49:58.360
<v Speaker 2>is that fucking word. I can't even say it, right,

935
00:49:58.400 --> 00:50:01.159
<v Speaker 2>diagonal diagonal formation.

936
00:50:02.159 --> 00:50:04.159
<v Speaker 4>Seven? We just saw six lights, now we.

937
00:50:04.159 --> 00:50:09.639
<v Speaker 2>See four right right, and they're not like the ones

938
00:50:09.639 --> 00:50:12.280
<v Speaker 2>that are that are going out. Weren't even the first

939
00:50:12.280 --> 00:50:15.480
<v Speaker 2>ones that you saw. So if they're flares, that would

940
00:50:15.519 --> 00:50:17.559
<v Speaker 2>make the most sense if if you the first ones

941
00:50:17.559 --> 00:50:19.199
<v Speaker 2>that you saw would be the first ones to burn out.

942
00:50:19.199 --> 00:50:20.239
<v Speaker 2>But that's not in this case.

943
00:50:20.880 --> 00:50:21.880
<v Speaker 4>How long is this video?

944
00:50:23.320 --> 00:50:24.280
<v Speaker 2>Four and a half minutes?

945
00:50:25.039 --> 00:50:28.039
<v Speaker 3>Four and a half minutes, so they're saying the official

946
00:50:28.119 --> 00:50:31.480
<v Speaker 3>narrative is saying that these flares burn out within four

947
00:50:31.519 --> 00:50:35.079
<v Speaker 3>to five minutes. Do these lights turn off at the

948
00:50:35.159 --> 00:50:35.800
<v Speaker 3>very end.

949
00:50:35.639 --> 00:50:40.679
<v Speaker 4>Of this clip? Oh, are we getting to let's see,

950
00:50:40.719 --> 00:50:41.559
<v Speaker 4>let's see.

951
00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, these ones do start to disappear after some time.

952
00:50:46.039 --> 00:50:47.880
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what is going on right here there,

953
00:50:47.920 --> 00:50:51.800
<v Speaker 2>we go. And so, yeah, this is one of the

954
00:50:51.920 --> 00:50:54.039
<v Speaker 2>videos from one of the angles. We have a couple

955
00:50:54.119 --> 00:50:57.079
<v Speaker 2>more that you'll be able to see, but yeah, you

956
00:50:57.119 --> 00:50:59.320
<v Speaker 2>see them right here. They're just lined up in a

957
00:50:59.360 --> 00:51:02.880
<v Speaker 2>diagonal kind of shape, three on one side, one from

958
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:03.320
<v Speaker 2>the other.

959
00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:06.960
<v Speaker 4>Now that one just went away.

960
00:51:07.960 --> 00:51:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, varying different different reports on it. And it's so

961
00:51:12.079 --> 00:51:15.639
<v Speaker 2>different from multiple angles too, which is crazy, dude.

962
00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:17.679
<v Speaker 3>Even if they're flares, they are not gonna stay in

963
00:51:17.760 --> 00:51:21.320
<v Speaker 3>a perfect straight line like this as they're falling.

964
00:51:21.360 --> 00:51:23.440
<v Speaker 4>They're gonna they're gonna waver a bit in the wind.

965
00:51:23.519 --> 00:51:26.119
<v Speaker 4>They're gonna do their thing. You know. That's that's also

966
00:51:26.119 --> 00:51:26.800
<v Speaker 4>pretty crazy.

967
00:51:27.199 --> 00:51:31.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, so that's that. Just wanted to show that

968
00:51:31.360 --> 00:51:33.159
<v Speaker 2>and maybe we'll go back to it here in a minute.

969
00:51:33.199 --> 00:51:36.679
<v Speaker 2>But all right, So now I wanted to get to

970
00:51:37.440 --> 00:51:42.239
<v Speaker 2>the here we go, all right, So there were there

971
00:51:42.239 --> 00:51:44.760
<v Speaker 2>were eyewitness testimonies, and we're gonna name a couple of

972
00:51:44.800 --> 00:51:47.079
<v Speaker 2>them right now and go over some of their stories

973
00:51:49.639 --> 00:51:52.360
<v Speaker 2>eyewitness accounts or the backbone of this story. So Tim

974
00:51:52.480 --> 00:51:54.719
<v Speaker 2>Lay and his family, which we were just talking about,

975
00:51:55.039 --> 00:51:58.280
<v Speaker 2>watched in awe as the craft the size of multiple

976
00:51:58.280 --> 00:52:02.079
<v Speaker 2>football fields, and their words passed silently overhead. On the

977
00:52:02.159 --> 00:52:05.280
<v Speaker 2>night of March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, Tim Lay, then

978
00:52:05.440 --> 00:52:09.639
<v Speaker 2>an electric an electronics repair shop manager, stood in front

979
00:52:10.480 --> 00:52:12.760
<v Speaker 2>stood in his front yard in Prescott Valley with his

980
00:52:12.840 --> 00:52:16.199
<v Speaker 2>wife Bobby, Son how and grandson Damien when they first

981
00:52:16.239 --> 00:52:19.639
<v Speaker 2>noticed five distinct lights arranged in an arc, seemingly perched

982
00:52:19.679 --> 00:52:23.039
<v Speaker 2>atop an invisible balloon. That's what they thought at first.

983
00:52:23.400 --> 00:52:26.519
<v Speaker 2>As the formation drifted closer. Over the next ten minutes,

984
00:52:26.880 --> 00:52:32.079
<v Speaker 2>the points of lights spread apart, reshaping into an inverted V.

985
00:52:33.559 --> 00:52:36.360
<v Speaker 2>When it was about a mile away, the witnesses perceived

986
00:52:36.360 --> 00:52:41.320
<v Speaker 2>a solid structure, a massive car carpenter square silhouette, with

987
00:52:41.320 --> 00:52:44.280
<v Speaker 2>the glowing lights embedded, one at the apex and two

988
00:52:44.360 --> 00:52:48.320
<v Speaker 2>on each side. The craft hovered silently, gliding so slowly

989
00:52:48.400 --> 00:52:51.639
<v Speaker 2>and quietly that Lay could hear no engine noise, a

990
00:52:51.719 --> 00:52:55.880
<v Speaker 2>notable detail in their quiet Mountain Valley home. He later

991
00:52:55.960 --> 00:52:58.559
<v Speaker 2>said in quotes. By that time it got about a

992
00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:02.159
<v Speaker 2>mile away, we decided it was definitely one huge structure

993
00:53:02.400 --> 00:53:06.159
<v Speaker 2>because the lights were so rigidly maintaining their relative positions

994
00:53:06.199 --> 00:53:08.800
<v Speaker 2>to each other. Where we live, we can hear the

995
00:53:08.840 --> 00:53:12.679
<v Speaker 2>slightest engine noises from miles away. At this point it

996
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.000
<v Speaker 2>began to dawn upon us that this was a real

997
00:53:15.239 --> 00:53:19.880
<v Speaker 2>UFO end quote. Eventually the formation silently passed overhead only

998
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:22.920
<v Speaker 2>about one hundred feet above, through a V shape gap

999
00:53:22.960 --> 00:53:27.559
<v Speaker 2>in the peaks between the peaks toward Squawk Peak and

1000
00:53:27.760 --> 00:53:32.679
<v Speaker 2>onward towards Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport. So that's an interesting

1001
00:53:32.719 --> 00:53:35.480
<v Speaker 2>one you got Tim talking about, like, hey, it was

1002
00:53:35.519 --> 00:53:38.760
<v Speaker 2>only one hundred feet above. They made no sound in

1003
00:53:38.880 --> 00:53:41.880
<v Speaker 2>that area. You'd be able to hear something from miles away.

1004
00:53:42.519 --> 00:53:46.079
<v Speaker 2>And they all stayed relatively in the same position in

1005
00:53:46.119 --> 00:53:48.400
<v Speaker 2>the sky against each other.

1006
00:53:49.519 --> 00:53:52.800
<v Speaker 3>Taking away the whole like the Carpenter square, which is

1007
00:53:52.840 --> 00:53:55.239
<v Speaker 3>a rigid V shape or a L shape, whatever you

1008
00:53:55.280 --> 00:53:58.360
<v Speaker 3>want to call that. Okay, all right, just putting out

1009
00:53:58.360 --> 00:54:00.800
<v Speaker 3>on the back burner for two seconds. The fact that

1010
00:54:00.880 --> 00:54:05.360
<v Speaker 3>they witnessed this for ten minutes completely negates the aeronautic

1011
00:54:05.400 --> 00:54:06.239
<v Speaker 3>flare conversation.

1012
00:54:07.400 --> 00:54:09.559
<v Speaker 2>And it couldn't have been any kind of aircraft because

1013
00:54:09.559 --> 00:54:12.000
<v Speaker 2>there was no sound at all and it sound.

1014
00:54:11.800 --> 00:54:14.599
<v Speaker 4>Also blinking lights, which you would also need.

1015
00:54:14.639 --> 00:54:18.840
<v Speaker 2>No sound, no blinking lights, and going extremely slow. Yeah,

1016
00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:22.000
<v Speaker 2>those are three things that don't work with aircraft.

1017
00:54:22.599 --> 00:54:25.800
<v Speaker 3>Nope, so at all. Now, like I said an invisible

1018
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:27.960
<v Speaker 3>balloon or something like that. Yeah, if you would have

1019
00:54:28.000 --> 00:54:32.440
<v Speaker 3>said maybe these were spotlights on the bottom of a

1020
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:35.519
<v Speaker 3>blimp or some shit like that, Okay, maybe we could

1021
00:54:35.519 --> 00:54:37.000
<v Speaker 3>have that conversation.

1022
00:54:36.480 --> 00:54:38.639
<v Speaker 4>But that hasn't been brought up one time.

1023
00:54:38.760 --> 00:54:41.480
<v Speaker 3>The Air Force is saying that it was a training

1024
00:54:41.559 --> 00:54:44.159
<v Speaker 3>mission that they do every year, and that these were

1025
00:54:44.199 --> 00:54:47.920
<v Speaker 3>aeronautic flares, perfectly within the realm of the training exercise

1026
00:54:47.960 --> 00:54:50.159
<v Speaker 3>that they do. They even give the nomenclature for the

1027
00:54:50.159 --> 00:54:54.159
<v Speaker 3>flares that are used, and this whole thing falls short

1028
00:54:54.280 --> 00:54:56.119
<v Speaker 3>of that being a factual statement.

1029
00:54:56.079 --> 00:54:59.760
<v Speaker 2>Right right. So that's Tim Lay and his family. Then

1030
00:54:59.760 --> 00:55:05.760
<v Speaker 2>there're Dana Valentine. He saw a chevron shaped craft hovering

1031
00:55:05.840 --> 00:55:09.199
<v Speaker 2>as low as five hundred feet with strange distortion behind it,

1032
00:55:09.280 --> 00:55:13.840
<v Speaker 2>as if it was bending the air itself. Okay, So

1033
00:55:14.000 --> 00:55:17.320
<v Speaker 2>on this evening, Dana Valentine, then a thirty one year

1034
00:55:17.360 --> 00:55:21.639
<v Speaker 2>old laser printer technician, stood in his Phoenix backyard alongside

1035
00:55:21.679 --> 00:55:25.199
<v Speaker 2>his father, who was an aeronautical engineer, when they witnessed

1036
00:55:25.239 --> 00:55:29.119
<v Speaker 2>an extraordinary sight. A V shaped formation of lights hovered

1037
00:55:29.199 --> 00:55:32.000
<v Speaker 2>just ahead, so low that it was estimated to only

1038
00:55:32.039 --> 00:55:35.079
<v Speaker 2>be about five hundred feet above them. As the formation

1039
00:55:35.239 --> 00:55:38.880
<v Speaker 2>drifted silently through the sky, they perceived a gray, wavy

1040
00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:42.320
<v Speaker 2>distortion behind the lights, an outline of mass that seemed

1041
00:55:42.360 --> 00:55:45.960
<v Speaker 2>to subtly blot out the stars, though the object itself

1042
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:49.760
<v Speaker 2>was not clearly visible. Valentine later reflected and said this

1043
00:55:49.840 --> 00:55:53.039
<v Speaker 2>in quotes. We could see the outline of a mass.

1044
00:55:53.639 --> 00:55:56.119
<v Speaker 2>We could see the outline of a mass behind the lights,

1045
00:55:56.280 --> 00:55:59.039
<v Speaker 2>but you couldn't actually see the mass. Talking about the

1046
00:55:59.519 --> 00:56:03.159
<v Speaker 2>maybe U it was more like a gray distortion of

1047
00:56:03.199 --> 00:56:06.239
<v Speaker 2>the night sky being wavy. I don't know exactly what

1048
00:56:06.280 --> 00:56:09.599
<v Speaker 2>it was, but I know it's not a technology that

1049
00:56:09.679 --> 00:56:14.400
<v Speaker 2>the public has heard of before. Yeah, So that's his

1050
00:56:14.440 --> 00:56:17.320
<v Speaker 2>testimony day of Valentine. We're gonna touch a little bit

1051
00:56:17.360 --> 00:56:19.280
<v Speaker 2>more on all these people here a little bit later.

1052
00:56:19.320 --> 00:56:22.199
<v Speaker 2>This is kind of just an outline. Then you got

1053
00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:26.719
<v Speaker 2>your boy Rick from Paulden, who Paulden, Arizona. He's a

1054
00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:30.320
<v Speaker 2>former cop. He was the first one, the first testimony

1055
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:37.400
<v Speaker 2>on the ground that reported it in Arizona. So on

1056
00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:41.199
<v Speaker 2>the night of March thirteenth, around eight fifteen PM, a

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<v Speaker 2>former police officer from the small town of Paulden, Arizona,

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00:56:44.960 --> 00:56:48.199
<v Speaker 2>made what would become the first widely noted Arizona report

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00:56:48.239 --> 00:56:51.039
<v Speaker 2>of the Phoenix Lights. He describes seeing a formation of

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00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.360
<v Speaker 2>reddish orange lights, four grouped closely together, with a fifth

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00:56:55.400 --> 00:56:59.920
<v Speaker 2>trailing behind each, appearing as two distinct points of light. Curious,

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00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:03.159
<v Speaker 2>he rushed home, grabbed his binoculars, and continued to watch

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00:57:03.199 --> 00:57:06.199
<v Speaker 2>as the strange cluster drifted steadily across the sky before

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00:57:06.239 --> 00:57:10.719
<v Speaker 2>disappearing over the southern horizon. Though brief. His call marked

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00:57:10.760 --> 00:57:14.679
<v Speaker 2>the moment the mystery moved from isolated sightings in Nevada

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00:57:14.719 --> 00:57:19.039
<v Speaker 2>to Arizona, triggering a flood of eyewitness counts from Prescott,

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00:57:19.480 --> 00:57:23.920
<v Speaker 2>from Prescott, Phoenix and beyond. His observation, often cited as

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00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:27.079
<v Speaker 2>the event's first official Arizona sighting, helped launch one of

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00:57:27.079 --> 00:57:32.559
<v Speaker 2>the most famous UFO cases in modern history. So he's

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00:57:32.679 --> 00:57:35.480
<v Speaker 2>not really a whole lot of details, but he describes

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00:57:35.519 --> 00:57:37.800
<v Speaker 2>it in a way that seems to align somewhat to

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00:57:37.880 --> 00:57:43.119
<v Speaker 2>everybody else's story. Wow, Okay, then we got your boy,

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00:57:43.239 --> 00:57:46.840
<v Speaker 2>Kurt Russell, the actor, and you know what, I'm not

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00:57:46.840 --> 00:57:48.400
<v Speaker 2>even gonna read that. We're just going to get to

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00:57:48.440 --> 00:57:53.480
<v Speaker 2>his actual testimony. And dude, it's actually pretty wild whenever

1076
00:57:53.519 --> 00:57:57.760
<v Speaker 2>you hear this story. But so Kurt Russell. Here we

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00:57:58.159 --> 00:58:01.559
<v Speaker 2>go right here. This is from Grunt. It says Kurt

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00:58:01.599 --> 00:58:07.000
<v Speaker 2>Russell reported the famed Phoenix Lights UFO sighting. Here we go.

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<v Speaker 2>The Phoenix Lights, as they came to be known, have

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00:58:09.320 --> 00:58:13.480
<v Speaker 2>remained unexplained since that night, despite so many eyewitness reports

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00:58:13.079 --> 00:58:17.639
<v Speaker 2>at the time, they were a media sensation, especially in Phoenix,

1082
00:58:17.920 --> 00:58:22.199
<v Speaker 2>though according to KTAAR News, the sightings were initially treated

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00:58:22.239 --> 00:58:25.199
<v Speaker 2>as something of a joke. Fife Symington the governor of

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00:58:25.199 --> 00:58:28.639
<v Speaker 2>Arizona at the time, and after the sightings he held

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00:58:28.639 --> 00:58:30.800
<v Speaker 2>a tongue in cheek press conference with one of his

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00:58:31.360 --> 00:58:34.880
<v Speaker 2>staff members dressed like an alien. However, Simington went on

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00:58:34.920 --> 00:58:36.760
<v Speaker 2>to admit that he's seen the lights as well, and

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00:58:36.800 --> 00:58:40.679
<v Speaker 2>despite being a pilot hit pilot himself and being familiar

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00:58:40.719 --> 00:58:43.679
<v Speaker 2>with an array of aircraft, he had no explanation for

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00:58:43.719 --> 00:58:46.639
<v Speaker 2>the lights. Simington wasn't the only pilot who happened to

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00:58:46.639 --> 00:58:49.719
<v Speaker 2>see the Phoenix Lights. Another pilot was flying that evening

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00:58:49.760 --> 00:58:52.920
<v Speaker 2>and they spotted the anomaly above Phoenix. That pilot was

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00:58:53.000 --> 00:58:57.639
<v Speaker 2>none other than the actor Kurt Russell. So Kurt Russell

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00:58:57.840 --> 00:59:01.760
<v Speaker 2>is of course best known for as an actor, having

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00:59:01.760 --> 00:59:04.039
<v Speaker 2>appeared in a wide range of films from Escape to

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00:59:04.079 --> 00:59:07.119
<v Speaker 2>New York to The Hateful Eight to Miracle. In addition

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00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:10.039
<v Speaker 2>to acting, Russell was also at one point a professional

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00:59:10.039 --> 00:59:12.800
<v Speaker 2>baseball player. All Right, who gives a fuck? I mean

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00:59:12.800 --> 00:59:16.760
<v Speaker 2>that's cool, but wait, he really yeah, he played in

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00:59:17.039 --> 00:59:19.360
<v Speaker 2>the Single and Double a Ball in the nineteen seventies.

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00:59:20.199 --> 00:59:22.280
<v Speaker 4>I had no idea, but all right, who would.

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00:59:22.039 --> 00:59:22.480
<v Speaker 2>Have thought.

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00:59:23.800 --> 00:59:23.880
<v Speaker 8>So?

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<v Speaker 2>According to a pudget Sound business journal, Kurt Russell had

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00:59:29.159 --> 00:59:32.559
<v Speaker 2>been flying for decades and has owned a variety of aircraft,

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00:59:32.559 --> 00:59:35.840
<v Speaker 2>including biplanes and gliders, and was even known to try

1107
00:59:35.840 --> 00:59:39.800
<v Speaker 2>his hand at performing acrobatic maneuvers. Russell was also known

1108
00:59:39.840 --> 00:59:42.840
<v Speaker 2>to fly himself and his longtime partner Goldie Hahn to

1109
00:59:43.079 --> 00:59:48.000
<v Speaker 2>vacation hotspots like Aspen, British Columbia, and Palm Springs. According

1110
00:59:48.119 --> 00:59:52.320
<v Speaker 2>to Golf Hotel Whiskey, I guess that's an article. Russell

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00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:55.559
<v Speaker 2>stated in an interview with airport Journals that flying was

1112
00:59:55.679 --> 00:59:58.960
<v Speaker 2>in his blood, as his grandfather was an experienced pilot

1113
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:01.480
<v Speaker 2>who at one point even served as a test pilot

1114
01:00:01.639 --> 01:00:08.079
<v Speaker 2>for billionaire Howard Hughes's Hughes Aircraft company. That's interesting, Howard Hughes.

1115
01:00:08.199 --> 01:00:11.039
<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's said to be like Tony Stark's dad

1116
01:00:11.239 --> 01:00:15.599
<v Speaker 2>and the Iron Man stuff. Yeah, so Kurt Russell and

1117
01:00:15.639 --> 01:00:19.159
<v Speaker 2>the Phoenix Lights. In twenty seventeen, Kurt Russell was promoting

1118
01:00:19.159 --> 01:00:21.519
<v Speaker 2>the film Guardians of the Galaxy Volume two in an

1119
01:00:21.599 --> 01:00:25.239
<v Speaker 2>interview with the BBC when he recounted what happened to

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01:00:25.320 --> 01:00:28.239
<v Speaker 2>him on March thirteenth, nineteen seven, nineteen ninety seven. In

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01:00:28.280 --> 01:00:32.239
<v Speaker 2>the Sky's Over Phoenix. Russell was flying Han's son, Oliver Hudson,

1122
01:00:32.440 --> 01:00:34.679
<v Speaker 2>to visit his girlfriend. I was flying him to go

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01:00:34.679 --> 01:00:36.920
<v Speaker 2>see his girlfriend and we were on approach. I saw

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01:00:36.960 --> 01:00:40.239
<v Speaker 2>six lights over the airport in an absolute uniform, in

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01:00:40.320 --> 01:00:42.519
<v Speaker 2>a V shape. Oliver said to me, I was just

1126
01:00:42.559 --> 01:00:44.480
<v Speaker 2>looking at him. I was coming in. Maybe we were

1127
01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.599
<v Speaker 2>half a mile out, and Oliver said, Pap, what are

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01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:49.800
<v Speaker 2>those lights? And you know what, Fuck it. We're not

1129
01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:51.159
<v Speaker 2>going to read it. We're just gonna hear it from

1130
01:00:51.159 --> 01:00:54.679
<v Speaker 2>the man himself talk about the story. It's three minutes long.

1131
01:00:54.840 --> 01:00:56.920
<v Speaker 2>This is I think they're trying to promote the Guardians

1132
01:00:56.960 --> 01:01:00.960
<v Speaker 2>of the Guardians of the Galaxy movie volume two. So yes,

1133
01:01:01.039 --> 01:01:06.280
<v Speaker 2>Chris Pratt there. Kurt Russell is Chris Pratt's dad. He's

1134
01:01:06.400 --> 01:01:09.480
<v Speaker 2>like a god in this movie of course, of course,

1135
01:01:09.719 --> 01:01:12.440
<v Speaker 2>So here we go. It's three minutes long. Let's see

1136
01:01:13.280 --> 01:01:15.360
<v Speaker 2>may be able to help me? And who knows?

1137
01:01:15.639 --> 01:01:17.960
<v Speaker 15>Because this is an international story because of you both

1138
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:21.039
<v Speaker 15>being here, I looked into the international files not covered

1139
01:01:21.079 --> 01:01:23.559
<v Speaker 15>by our Ministry of Defense, but maybe covered by yours.

1140
01:01:23.920 --> 01:01:28.039
<v Speaker 15>This took place in Arizona. An unidentified pilot, according to

1141
01:01:28.039 --> 01:01:30.880
<v Speaker 15>the press, cuttings, flying near an airport in Arizona with

1142
01:01:30.960 --> 01:01:34.760
<v Speaker 15>his son when he spotted six lights in the night sky.

1143
01:01:35.440 --> 01:01:37.920
<v Speaker 15>So he called from the airplane to air traffic control

1144
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:39.440
<v Speaker 15>to say, I'm seeing.

1145
01:01:39.119 --> 01:01:40.000
<v Speaker 4>These lights here.

1146
01:01:40.599 --> 01:01:43.519
<v Speaker 15>I wasn't expecting any other planes. They're none's supposed to

1147
01:01:43.519 --> 01:01:45.760
<v Speaker 15>be on my landing path. Can you tell me what's

1148
01:01:45.800 --> 01:01:49.400
<v Speaker 15>going on? They said there are no other planes. He said,

1149
01:01:49.480 --> 01:01:55.199
<v Speaker 15>I'm seeing six bright lights coming towards me. Mystery unresolved,

1150
01:01:55.840 --> 01:01:57.519
<v Speaker 15>except I'll.

1151
01:01:57.239 --> 01:02:00.800
<v Speaker 16>Tell number for that plane was Bonanza two tangles see

1152
01:02:00.800 --> 01:02:01.719
<v Speaker 16>her and I was the pilot.

1153
01:02:02.480 --> 01:02:10.119
<v Speaker 17>No way, Oliver and I yes this podcast and say

1154
01:02:10.159 --> 01:02:13.000
<v Speaker 17>that in the brief I should have read to the end.

1155
01:02:13.639 --> 01:02:15.920
<v Speaker 16>Oliver and I were were flying and I was flying

1156
01:02:16.000 --> 01:02:19.440
<v Speaker 16>him to go see his girlfriend. And uh, we're on

1157
01:02:19.519 --> 01:02:24.159
<v Speaker 16>approach and I saw six lights over the airport.

1158
01:02:24.280 --> 01:02:26.480
<v Speaker 4>An absolute uniform in a V.

1159
01:02:26.400 --> 01:02:29.400
<v Speaker 16>Shape and I and Oliver said to me, I was

1160
01:02:29.400 --> 01:02:30.840
<v Speaker 16>just looking at him and I was coming in. We're

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01:02:30.880 --> 01:02:32.639
<v Speaker 16>maybe a half a mile out, and Oliver.

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01:02:32.440 --> 01:02:34.960
<v Speaker 4>Said, pauh, do you what is? What are those lights?

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01:02:35.039 --> 01:02:36.519
<v Speaker 16>And I and I then it kind of like came

1164
01:02:36.559 --> 01:02:39.119
<v Speaker 16>out of my reverie and I said, I don't know

1165
01:02:39.159 --> 01:02:41.400
<v Speaker 16>what they are. I said, he said, are we okay here?

1166
01:02:41.400 --> 01:02:43.079
<v Speaker 16>And I said yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna call him

1167
01:02:43.159 --> 01:02:46.239
<v Speaker 16>and I reported it and they said, we're not painting anything.

1168
01:02:46.239 --> 01:02:49.199
<v Speaker 16>We don't show anything. I said, well, okay, I'm I'm

1169
01:02:49.199 --> 01:02:52.719
<v Speaker 16>going to declare it's unidentified, it's flying and it's six objects.

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01:02:54.119 --> 01:02:59.599
<v Speaker 16>We landed, I taxied, dropped him off, took off, went

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01:02:59.639 --> 01:03:03.159
<v Speaker 16>back down. Never said a word.

1172
01:03:03.159 --> 01:03:05.239
<v Speaker 4>He never said a word. I never thought of it.

1173
01:03:05.400 --> 01:03:06.760
<v Speaker 4>Two years later, Goldie is.

1174
01:03:06.719 --> 01:03:11.000
<v Speaker 16>Watching a television show when I came home, and the

1175
01:03:11.039 --> 01:03:14.320
<v Speaker 16>show is on UFOs. But as I'm I came home,

1176
01:03:14.320 --> 01:03:16.199
<v Speaker 16>Hey how's it going? And I'm kind of hearing this

1177
01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:18.199
<v Speaker 16>to the TV going and I stopped and I started

1178
01:03:18.199 --> 01:03:21.039
<v Speaker 16>watching and it was on that event. Now that was

1179
01:03:21.079 --> 01:03:25.000
<v Speaker 16>the most that was the most viewed UFO event over

1180
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:28.880
<v Speaker 16>twenty thousand people saw that, and I'm watching this and

1181
01:03:29.000 --> 01:03:34.800
<v Speaker 16>I'm feeling like Richard Dreyfuss in close Encounter the very count.

1182
01:03:34.840 --> 01:03:37.199
<v Speaker 12>It's like, why do I know this? You know what?

1183
01:03:37.719 --> 01:03:42.199
<v Speaker 16>And it's not clear to me. And finally I said,

1184
01:03:42.760 --> 01:03:45.639
<v Speaker 16>then they said the pilot reported it. A General Aviation

1185
01:03:45.719 --> 01:03:48.800
<v Speaker 16>pilot reported on landing. I had never thought of it

1186
01:03:48.840 --> 01:03:53.559
<v Speaker 16>since then, and I said, that was me, that was me,

1187
01:03:54.559 --> 01:03:56.920
<v Speaker 16>And I said, wait a minute, I'll go to my logbooks.

1188
01:03:57.960 --> 01:04:00.280
<v Speaker 16>So I went to my logbooks and there was the

1189
01:04:00.320 --> 01:04:02.840
<v Speaker 16>flight at that time, and I didn't mention anything about

1190
01:04:02.840 --> 01:04:05.320
<v Speaker 16>the UFO. The fascinating part of that to me is

1191
01:04:05.320 --> 01:04:08.679
<v Speaker 16>that it would just went literally out of my head.

1192
01:04:09.440 --> 01:04:12.880
<v Speaker 16>And Oliver never mentioned it, and had I not seen

1193
01:04:12.920 --> 01:04:14.199
<v Speaker 16>that show, I'd never thought of it again.

1194
01:04:14.760 --> 01:04:16.119
<v Speaker 13>That to me was the weird part.

1195
01:04:17.679 --> 01:04:24.119
<v Speaker 16>Chris, Yes, yes, it's just unidentified. It's flying, and it's

1196
01:04:24.360 --> 01:04:25.000
<v Speaker 16>it's an object.

1197
01:04:25.079 --> 01:04:27.079
<v Speaker 4>It's an object moving towards you.

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01:04:27.119 --> 01:04:32.320
<v Speaker 2>At this we need to move on. So there's Kurt

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01:04:32.400 --> 01:04:35.039
<v Speaker 2>Russell's memory of the phenomena.

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01:04:35.400 --> 01:04:36.599
<v Speaker 4>That is crazy.

1201
01:04:36.920 --> 01:04:39.840
<v Speaker 3>And you think that like if they were to say

1202
01:04:40.119 --> 01:04:43.679
<v Speaker 3>amateur pilot Kurt Russell called in the lights, you feel

1203
01:04:43.679 --> 01:04:45.440
<v Speaker 3>like that would actually add to the story, but I

1204
01:04:45.440 --> 01:04:49.239
<v Speaker 3>guess air traffic control they don't use names on radios,

1205
01:04:49.280 --> 01:04:52.079
<v Speaker 3>so they would just say they use call signs and like,

1206
01:04:52.079 --> 01:04:53.960
<v Speaker 3>like you said, the tail number of the plane, and

1207
01:04:54.000 --> 01:04:57.199
<v Speaker 3>like that's typically what it is. That's it. You would

1208
01:04:57.280 --> 01:05:00.880
<v Speaker 3>never know what the pilot's name was. But I feel

1209
01:05:00.920 --> 01:05:03.280
<v Speaker 3>like that actually adds another level to this story.

1210
01:05:03.360 --> 01:05:03.679
<v Speaker 4>Dude.

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01:05:03.760 --> 01:05:06.639
<v Speaker 2>I think it does. Shout out to Kurt Russell. He's

1212
01:05:06.639 --> 01:05:09.880
<v Speaker 2>a fucking real one, a handsome devil too, isn't he

1213
01:05:09.920 --> 01:05:10.280
<v Speaker 2>even in.

1214
01:05:10.239 --> 01:05:13.920
<v Speaker 4>This old garage ages like fucking fine wine, that asshole,

1215
01:05:13.920 --> 01:05:14.760
<v Speaker 4>I swear.

1216
01:05:14.960 --> 01:05:19.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, dude. So that that's the Kurt Russell part. Then

1217
01:05:19.239 --> 01:05:23.360
<v Speaker 2>there is another one. This is from uh doctor Lynn

1218
01:05:23.559 --> 01:05:26.920
<v Speaker 2>d and I'm gonna butcher her last name. It's k

1219
01:05:27.039 --> 01:05:30.880
<v Speaker 2>I t e I kit t I. What did you say,

1220
01:05:30.960 --> 01:05:37.440
<v Speaker 2>k I t I k I t e I kitie okay, keith,

1221
01:05:37.679 --> 01:05:39.559
<v Speaker 2>I don't know. She says it. We're gonna We're gonna

1222
01:05:39.559 --> 01:05:42.159
<v Speaker 2>hear her message. So this is just kind of a

1223
01:05:42.159 --> 01:05:45.679
<v Speaker 2>glance over. But doctor Lynn was a respected physician, not

1224
01:05:45.840 --> 01:05:50.239
<v Speaker 2>some fringe researcher. She witnessed the lights multiple times, photographed them,

1225
01:05:50.239 --> 01:05:52.960
<v Speaker 2>and eventually became the face of the Phoenix Lights through

1226
01:05:53.039 --> 01:05:55.880
<v Speaker 2>her book and documentary called The Phoenix Lights, We Are

1227
01:05:55.920 --> 01:05:59.440
<v Speaker 2>Not Alone. Her transformation from skeptic to believer gave the

1228
01:05:59.480 --> 01:06:03.480
<v Speaker 2>phenomena credibility. She argued that the lights were not were

1229
01:06:03.559 --> 01:06:07.320
<v Speaker 2>not only real, but they were purposeful and a message

1230
01:06:07.360 --> 01:06:11.079
<v Speaker 2>of cosmic significance. So that's interesting. We're gonna get a

1231
01:06:11.079 --> 01:06:13.280
<v Speaker 2>little bit more on her. We actually have a video

1232
01:06:13.719 --> 01:06:18.440
<v Speaker 2>interview of her speaking. Then there is this is another

1233
01:06:18.519 --> 01:06:23.079
<v Speaker 2>interesting one, which is Francis Barwood. She's a whistleblowing councilwoman.

1234
01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:28.360
<v Speaker 2>So Phoenix City Councilwoman Francis Emma Barwood was the only

1235
01:06:28.440 --> 01:06:32.599
<v Speaker 2>public official who demanded an investigation, and instead of answers,

1236
01:06:32.679 --> 01:06:37.400
<v Speaker 2>she was ridiculed. Barwood received over seven hundred calls from witnesses,

1237
01:06:37.719 --> 01:06:39.960
<v Speaker 2>many of them begging for their stories to be heard,

1238
01:06:40.239 --> 01:06:42.840
<v Speaker 2>yet the city tried to silence her. Why would officials

1239
01:06:42.920 --> 01:06:45.599
<v Speaker 2>bury a story if it was just flares?

1240
01:06:46.639 --> 01:06:49.000
<v Speaker 4>Right? That also doesn't check out.

1241
01:06:49.239 --> 01:06:51.920
<v Speaker 2>It doesn't, it doesn't. So we're gonna hear a little

1242
01:06:51.920 --> 01:06:55.559
<v Speaker 2>bit more on all these people. One of the more

1243
01:06:55.800 --> 01:06:59.880
<v Speaker 2>crazy things so in Arizona around this time you had

1244
01:07:00.880 --> 01:07:04.239
<v Speaker 2>it was a high tech research center in Tempe that

1245
01:07:04.400 --> 01:07:07.320
<v Speaker 2>was called Village Labs, and it was run by this

1246
01:07:07.360 --> 01:07:11.760
<v Speaker 2>guy named Jim Dilltoso, right, and this is one of

1247
01:07:11.840 --> 01:07:15.880
<v Speaker 2>the craziest parts of the entire story. The Men in

1248
01:07:15.920 --> 01:07:18.440
<v Speaker 2>Black make an appearance in this episode.

1249
01:07:18.440 --> 01:07:20.800
<v Speaker 3>Of course they do, but what did they name, what

1250
01:07:20.840 --> 01:07:24.639
<v Speaker 3>their agency was? They're just government official Agent Smith and

1251
01:07:24.719 --> 01:07:25.440
<v Speaker 3>Agent Smith.

1252
01:07:26.719 --> 01:07:31.000
<v Speaker 2>I will say the timing is very strange. Okay, yeah,

1253
01:07:31.119 --> 01:07:34.239
<v Speaker 2>this is the first time I believe that the actual

1254
01:07:34.320 --> 01:07:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Men in Black are ever talked about. And so this came.

1255
01:07:39.519 --> 01:07:43.159
<v Speaker 2>This happened in March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, right, like

1256
01:07:43.239 --> 01:07:46.719
<v Speaker 2>this whole Phoenix Light situation. He was documenting a lot

1257
01:07:46.760 --> 01:07:49.079
<v Speaker 2>of that information. Of all of the reports, if you

1258
01:07:49.119 --> 01:07:52.159
<v Speaker 2>ever had any kind of UFO report, it always went

1259
01:07:52.199 --> 01:07:54.719
<v Speaker 2>to the Village Labs, like that's what they were known

1260
01:07:54.760 --> 01:07:59.079
<v Speaker 2>for right at that time. And he I guess he

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01:07:59.119 --> 01:08:03.880
<v Speaker 2>got his hands on some really good clear footage from

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01:08:03.920 --> 01:08:05.239
<v Speaker 2>this guy that we're going to talk about here in

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01:08:05.280 --> 01:08:10.639
<v Speaker 2>a minute, and allegedly the Men in Black came into

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01:08:10.800 --> 01:08:15.320
<v Speaker 2>Village Labs, took the tape, and the guy that actually

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01:08:15.360 --> 01:08:18.520
<v Speaker 2>took the actual footage of the clearest footage that was

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01:08:18.520 --> 01:08:20.520
<v Speaker 2>ever seen, was never seen again.

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01:08:21.800 --> 01:08:22.680
<v Speaker 4>Interesting how that works.

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<v Speaker 2>Out, So allegedly, the Men in Black came in, took

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01:08:25.600 --> 01:08:28.520
<v Speaker 2>the tape first. A few days later they took the guy.

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01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:31.439
<v Speaker 2>Nobody ever heard from the fucking guy ever. Again, it

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01:08:31.520 --> 01:08:35.920
<v Speaker 2>was reported by multiple witnesses of these men in Black.

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01:08:35.960 --> 01:08:40.199
<v Speaker 2>By the way, it wasn't just one person. And so, yeah, dude,

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01:08:40.239 --> 01:08:42.960
<v Speaker 2>it's crazy that listen to this. You want to talk

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01:08:42.960 --> 01:08:45.880
<v Speaker 2>about coincidence, Maybe it's synchronicity. Maybe there is no such

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01:08:45.920 --> 01:08:51.640
<v Speaker 2>thing as coincidence. This happened March of nineteen ninety seven, right,

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01:08:51.760 --> 01:08:56.199
<v Speaker 2>this whole Phoenix light situation. In July of nineteen ninety seven,

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01:08:56.399 --> 01:08:58.000
<v Speaker 2>the first Men in Black movie came out.

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01:09:00.079 --> 01:09:00.279
<v Speaker 12>Ah.

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01:09:00.600 --> 01:09:02.880
<v Speaker 4>Right, that is some pretty crazy timing.

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01:09:03.319 --> 01:09:08.479
<v Speaker 2>Crazy, right, So anyhow, let's get into it. Village Labs

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01:09:08.760 --> 01:09:12.279
<v Speaker 2>a high tech research center in Tempe, Arizona, where analysts

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01:09:12.359 --> 01:09:17.279
<v Speaker 2>Jim Delatoso studied Phoenix lights video footage. His spectral analysis

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01:09:17.279 --> 01:09:20.680
<v Speaker 2>concluded that the lights didn't match any known military flares

1284
01:09:20.840 --> 01:09:23.359
<v Speaker 2>or aircraft. This is what he did for a living

1285
01:09:23.399 --> 01:09:27.279
<v Speaker 2>bro And it wasn't spectrum analysis, he says, No, it's

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01:09:27.279 --> 01:09:31.159
<v Speaker 2>spectral analysis. So basically, you know, you put this data

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01:09:31.199 --> 01:09:33.720
<v Speaker 2>into a computer and it shows some kind of chart, right,

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01:09:34.039 --> 01:09:37.479
<v Speaker 2>and the charts are showing like, all right, are the

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01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:40.159
<v Speaker 2>the if it was flares, you should be able to

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01:09:40.159 --> 01:09:43.079
<v Speaker 2>see them at their highest burning peak all the way

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01:09:43.079 --> 01:09:46.039
<v Speaker 2>down to whenever they're like fading out right, and they're

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01:09:46.159 --> 01:09:49.479
<v Speaker 2>they're they're not always going to be in uniform. Like

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01:09:49.600 --> 01:09:51.439
<v Speaker 2>some of them are gonna burn out a little bit faster,

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01:09:51.520 --> 01:09:53.439
<v Speaker 2>some of them are gonna burn out a little bit slower,

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01:09:53.600 --> 01:09:56.399
<v Speaker 2>and they're gonna be kind of maneuvering, and they're kind

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01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:58.800
<v Speaker 2>of wild, you know, flarares acting with the wind, with

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01:09:58.880 --> 01:10:01.800
<v Speaker 2>the heat and all this shit, anything could really happen

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01:10:01.840 --> 01:10:04.159
<v Speaker 2>as far as the direction could go, as far as flares, right,

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01:10:05.760 --> 01:10:09.279
<v Speaker 2>he was saying that as for the spectral analysis goes

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<v Speaker 2>that the flares were not the quote unquote flares, the

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01:10:15.319 --> 01:10:18.039
<v Speaker 2>lights in the sky were not acting in accordance, that

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01:10:18.079 --> 01:10:21.680
<v Speaker 2>they all seemed to be in perfect uniform, in perfect unison.

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01:10:21.760 --> 01:10:23.439
<v Speaker 2>So anyway, we're gonna get a little bit more to it,

1304
01:10:24.479 --> 01:10:29.600
<v Speaker 2>so to do. Village labs became a hub for whistleblowers, eyewitnesses,

1305
01:10:29.640 --> 01:10:33.479
<v Speaker 2>and even rumors of government agents sniffing around. For many

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01:10:33.560 --> 01:10:36.920
<v Speaker 2>it was ground zero of the truth movement. So there's

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01:10:37.039 --> 01:10:40.680
<v Speaker 2>Jim Dillsoto he's the or Dilla Toso. Rather, he's the

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01:10:40.760 --> 01:10:44.520
<v Speaker 2>founder of Village Labs. He rose to media prominence after

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01:10:45.199 --> 01:10:48.039
<v Speaker 2>the March thirteen, nineteen ninety seven Phoenix light sightings by

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01:10:48.079 --> 01:10:51.600
<v Speaker 2>asserting that the phenomena could not be explained by flares, aircraft,

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01:10:51.720 --> 01:10:55.640
<v Speaker 2>or any known human made sources. He claimed that through

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01:10:56.199 --> 01:11:02.560
<v Speaker 2>sophisticated optical analysis of videotapes and he had eliminated conventional

1313
01:11:02.600 --> 01:11:06.520
<v Speaker 2>explanations and deemed the lights like no known light produced

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01:11:06.520 --> 01:11:09.560
<v Speaker 2>by mankind. The guy does this shit for a living,

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01:11:09.800 --> 01:11:14.199
<v Speaker 2>he says, never seen it before. It's crazy. At Village

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01:11:14.279 --> 01:11:18.000
<v Speaker 2>Lights or Village Labs, rather a studio like facility with

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01:11:18.039 --> 01:11:22.399
<v Speaker 2>a bank of computers and visual processing tools, Dilettoso demonstrated

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01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:25.600
<v Speaker 2>what he described as spectral analysis of the video footage,

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01:11:26.079 --> 01:11:30.359
<v Speaker 2>comparing brightness profiles of various light sources such as street lights,

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01:11:30.560 --> 01:11:33.800
<v Speaker 2>known flares, and the mysterious Phoenix lights. He argued that

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01:11:33.880 --> 01:11:38.520
<v Speaker 2>the differing graph outputs confirmed the lights were anomalous. However,

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01:11:38.680 --> 01:11:43.399
<v Speaker 2>this analysis drew drew strong criticism from the scientific community.

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01:11:43.760 --> 01:11:48.479
<v Speaker 2>Experts including doctor Paul Scowen of Arizona State University and others,

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01:11:48.479 --> 01:11:52.279
<v Speaker 2>asserted that what Dilatoso was actually producing were merely brightness

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01:11:52.680 --> 01:11:57.800
<v Speaker 2>histograms pixel intensity profiles, not true spectral data. That's what

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01:11:57.800 --> 01:12:02.039
<v Speaker 2>the quote unquote experts say. Scowsize that it's physically impossible

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01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:06.800
<v Speaker 2>to derive frequency spectral information from a basic brightness profile

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01:12:06.880 --> 01:12:11.640
<v Speaker 2>captured on videotape by consumer grade equipment. Wan Astrotomer bluntly

1329
01:12:11.680 --> 01:12:16.239
<v Speaker 2>dismissed his methodology as bullshit, highlighting the clear misunderstanding of

1330
01:12:16.359 --> 01:12:21.119
<v Speaker 2>the underlying imaging science, and then on Coast to Coast

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01:12:21.319 --> 01:12:27.000
<v Speaker 2>AM Radio one of the best shout out rip he

1332
01:12:27.039 --> 01:12:30.600
<v Speaker 2>made a radio This Dila Toso guy made a radio

1333
01:12:30.640 --> 01:12:34.319
<v Speaker 2>appearance on June nineteen ninety seven, so just a few

1334
01:12:34.359 --> 01:12:37.479
<v Speaker 2>months after the event, Dila Toso laid out his understanding

1335
01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:41.279
<v Speaker 2>of the events. He described multiple distinct sightings that evening,

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01:12:41.560 --> 01:12:46.079
<v Speaker 2>starting just after eight sixteen PM, when bright orbs variously

1337
01:12:46.640 --> 01:12:51.119
<v Speaker 2>compared to hot air balloons or aircraft lights moved south

1338
01:12:51.199 --> 01:12:55.600
<v Speaker 2>over Phoenix in a v formation, sometimes appearing translucent or

1339
01:12:55.640 --> 01:12:59.800
<v Speaker 2>star obstructing. He dismissed the flare hypothesis, stating that the

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01:13:00.039 --> 01:13:05.199
<v Speaker 2>National Guard categorically denied deploring any flares that evening. Dilatoso

1341
01:13:06.000 --> 01:13:09.960
<v Speaker 2>characterized the media's merging of the unrelated light events into

1342
01:13:10.079 --> 01:13:14.319
<v Speaker 2>one extended scare narrative and argued instead that the lights

1343
01:13:14.319 --> 01:13:18.279
<v Speaker 2>were four separate phenomena, not a one hundred and six

1344
01:13:18.520 --> 01:13:22.479
<v Speaker 2>minute single event. Okay, that's interesting, m.

1345
01:13:22.800 --> 01:13:26.760
<v Speaker 4>M andre turned six minutes, I learned six minutes.

1346
01:13:26.800 --> 01:13:29.399
<v Speaker 3>Yet somehow these flares only burned for a max of

1347
01:13:29.479 --> 01:13:30.319
<v Speaker 3>five but okay.

1348
01:13:30.640 --> 01:13:33.399
<v Speaker 2>In a more recent take, filmmaker Patrick James, who I

1349
01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:35.079
<v Speaker 2>gave a shout out in the beginning of the episode,

1350
01:13:35.359 --> 01:13:40.479
<v Speaker 2>interviewed Dila Toso for his Phoenix Lights documentary, reported that

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01:13:40.560 --> 01:13:44.920
<v Speaker 2>shortly after their meeting, Dilatoso urged him not to dig deeper,

1352
01:13:45.319 --> 01:13:48.079
<v Speaker 2>especially when it came to the mysterious men in black

1353
01:13:48.159 --> 01:13:52.880
<v Speaker 2>reports and the disappearance of footage from eyewitnesses from eyewitness

1354
01:13:53.039 --> 01:13:55.279
<v Speaker 2>Richard Curtis, who was the guy that got the footage

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01:13:55.319 --> 01:13:58.560
<v Speaker 2>and that disappeared along with the footage, Dilo Toso said,

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01:13:58.720 --> 01:14:02.239
<v Speaker 2>do not dig deeper into that. So he's scared, didn't

1357
01:14:02.239 --> 01:14:05.920
<v Speaker 2>want to say why. James noted that Dila Toso appeared

1358
01:14:05.960 --> 01:14:10.640
<v Speaker 2>anxious and evasive when the sensitive topics were raised, even

1359
01:14:10.640 --> 01:14:15.760
<v Speaker 2>contradicting himself on whether such operatives had visited Village Labs.

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01:14:16.079 --> 01:14:20.800
<v Speaker 2>So in watching that documentary. You can hear him being interviewed, right,

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01:14:21.239 --> 01:14:23.920
<v Speaker 2>and at first he's like, oh, I don't believe in

1362
01:14:23.920 --> 01:14:25.920
<v Speaker 2>men in black. You believe in men in black or

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01:14:25.960 --> 01:14:29.239
<v Speaker 2>men in pink or ladies in pink or whatever. And

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01:14:29.279 --> 01:14:31.840
<v Speaker 2>then and so he was like, you know, making a

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01:14:31.960 --> 01:14:34.319
<v Speaker 2>mockery of it at first, and then he goes on

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01:14:34.399 --> 01:14:36.520
<v Speaker 2>to say, don't dig any deeper into that. Don't do

1367
01:14:36.560 --> 01:14:40.319
<v Speaker 2>it like scared, like not just saying don't dig any deeper.

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01:14:40.399 --> 01:14:44.479
<v Speaker 2>It's a fucking don't know. No, he was like, I'm

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01:14:44.479 --> 01:14:47.079
<v Speaker 2>telling you, for your own safety, don't dig into it.

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01:14:47.840 --> 01:14:51.279
<v Speaker 4>Homeboy, he got got God.

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01:14:51.079 --> 01:14:56.079
<v Speaker 2>Got yeah, hain't no more record of Homie, not Dilatoso,

1372
01:14:56.159 --> 01:15:00.479
<v Speaker 2>but the other guy. So then there is Tom King,

1373
01:15:00.600 --> 01:15:04.319
<v Speaker 2>who was a desert skywatcher, so he's an amateur skywatcher.

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01:15:04.800 --> 01:15:08.439
<v Speaker 2>Tom King set up a long term monitoring of Phoenix

1375
01:15:08.439 --> 01:15:11.680
<v Speaker 2>skies after the incident. He documented hours of footage and

1376
01:15:11.720 --> 01:15:15.880
<v Speaker 2>became one of the most consistent independent investigators. While many

1377
01:15:15.920 --> 01:15:20.840
<v Speaker 2>were dismissed as cranks, King's persistence preserved visual records that

1378
01:15:21.960 --> 01:15:25.840
<v Speaker 2>still fuels debate today. So Tom King was actively skywatching

1379
01:15:25.840 --> 01:15:28.720
<v Speaker 2>for UFOs on that night and as fate would have it,

1380
01:15:28.800 --> 01:15:32.119
<v Speaker 2>he captured what has become one of the most compelling

1381
01:15:32.239 --> 01:15:35.560
<v Speaker 2>video documents of the Phoenix Lights events. Stationed outside with

1382
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:39.239
<v Speaker 2>a camera, King recorded a strange aerial phenomena as they

1383
01:15:39.319 --> 01:15:42.640
<v Speaker 2>unfolded above him, creating a first hand visual record that

1384
01:15:43.359 --> 01:15:47.520
<v Speaker 2>continues to circulate widely among UFO researchers and enthusiasts. Over

1385
01:15:47.560 --> 01:15:50.119
<v Speaker 2>the years, he has shared insights into the event via

1386
01:15:50.239 --> 01:15:54.439
<v Speaker 2>podcast interviews. There was an episode that he went on

1387
01:15:55.279 --> 01:15:59.479
<v Speaker 2>called Phoenix Lights a UFO hotspot that specifically highlights his

1388
01:15:59.560 --> 01:16:03.119
<v Speaker 2>extens of interest in the phenomena, his first hand perspective

1389
01:16:03.199 --> 01:16:06.800
<v Speaker 2>on the airspace over Phoenix, and his long standing dedication

1390
01:16:06.960 --> 01:16:11.319
<v Speaker 2>to documenting unidentified aerial events. According to commentary from the

1391
01:16:11.399 --> 01:16:15.399
<v Speaker 2>UFO community, King remains convinced that his footage does not

1392
01:16:15.560 --> 01:16:20.439
<v Speaker 2>depict flares, despite some interpretations suggesting otherwise. He has consistently

1393
01:16:20.479 --> 01:16:24.239
<v Speaker 2>maintained that what he recorded was something entirely different, distinctive,

1394
01:16:24.319 --> 01:16:28.199
<v Speaker 2>and unexplained. His video, often referenced simply as the Tom

1395
01:16:28.319 --> 01:16:32.079
<v Speaker 2>King video, has become a cornerstone of visual evidence in

1396
01:16:32.119 --> 01:16:35.439
<v Speaker 2>the Phoenix Lights discourse. Prize for its clarity and ground

1397
01:16:35.520 --> 01:16:39.079
<v Speaker 2>based observational perspective. So We're gonna get a little bit

1398
01:16:39.079 --> 01:16:44.159
<v Speaker 2>more on Tom King and his footage. Hell yeah, yeah, yeah.

1399
01:16:43.680 --> 01:16:46.680
<v Speaker 2>I'm just trying to like outline all the main characters

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01:16:46.680 --> 01:16:51.640
<v Speaker 2>so far. Then there is David Parker. This one's wild

1401
01:16:51.640 --> 01:16:53.439
<v Speaker 2>and we have a video of him talking as well.

1402
01:16:54.079 --> 01:16:57.640
<v Speaker 2>So eyewitnessed. David Parker claims that he was directly beneath

1403
01:16:57.680 --> 01:17:02.159
<v Speaker 2>the craft, a mere thirty feet below the lights. He

1404
01:17:02.199 --> 01:17:05.039
<v Speaker 2>was only thirty feet below it, or the lights were

1405
01:17:05.079 --> 01:17:06.000
<v Speaker 2>thirty feet above them.

1406
01:17:05.920 --> 01:17:07.880
<v Speaker 4>Right, That's an interesting one.

1407
01:17:07.880 --> 01:17:10.000
<v Speaker 3>Most the best we've got thus far as to say

1408
01:17:10.000 --> 01:17:11.880
<v Speaker 3>that it was like one hundred and fifty feet in

1409
01:17:11.880 --> 01:17:16.199
<v Speaker 3>the air, give or take one right, right, like on

1410
01:17:16.239 --> 01:17:19.159
<v Speaker 3>top of a building or something as they flew over well,

1411
01:17:19.319 --> 01:17:19.880
<v Speaker 3>it says.

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01:17:20.239 --> 01:17:25.159
<v Speaker 2>His descriptions give a chilling detail, giant, silent, and otherworldly.

1413
01:17:25.479 --> 01:17:28.199
<v Speaker 2>Parker's account remains one of the most dramatic close encounters

1414
01:17:28.239 --> 01:17:30.359
<v Speaker 2>tied to the Phoenix Lights and has been retold in

1415
01:17:30.399 --> 01:17:34.439
<v Speaker 2>countless interviews and podcasts. So He's a longtime nurse and

1416
01:17:34.479 --> 01:17:39.199
<v Speaker 2>hospice caregiver, recounted that on the night of March thirteenth,

1417
01:17:39.239 --> 01:17:42.560
<v Speaker 2>as he was driving from Mesa toward Phoenix, he encountered

1418
01:17:42.600 --> 01:17:47.279
<v Speaker 2>something extraordinary a massive boomerang shaped craft driving slowly in

1419
01:17:47.359 --> 01:17:49.880
<v Speaker 2>the sky or drifting slowly in the sky. When he

1420
01:17:49.960 --> 01:17:53.560
<v Speaker 2>exited the freeway, the object, which was gun metal gray

1421
01:17:53.720 --> 01:17:58.760
<v Speaker 2>and gently reflective, floated directly overhead. He described the underside

1422
01:17:58.800 --> 01:18:04.960
<v Speaker 2>as being covered in thousands of oval indentations like thumb prints,

1423
01:18:05.119 --> 01:18:07.880
<v Speaker 2>and estimated the craft spanned a mile to a mile

1424
01:18:07.960 --> 01:18:11.600
<v Speaker 2>and a half from wingtip to wingtip. Good God, that

1425
01:18:11.680 --> 01:18:17.079
<v Speaker 2>thing's massive, whoa filling approximately seventy percent of the horizon

1426
01:18:17.159 --> 01:18:20.920
<v Speaker 2>from his perspective. Despite its colossal size, it emitted no

1427
01:18:21.119 --> 01:18:25.199
<v Speaker 2>sound and created no wind disturbance. Parker shared that he

1428
01:18:25.279 --> 01:18:28.840
<v Speaker 2>initially spoke openly about his sighting but later shut up

1429
01:18:28.880 --> 01:18:33.359
<v Speaker 2>about it after the event was downplayed during Governor Singmonton's

1430
01:18:33.760 --> 01:18:39.760
<v Speaker 2>press briefing. Which will show that abomination here in a

1431
01:18:39.760 --> 01:18:45.359
<v Speaker 2>little bit, so getting two the government the Governor's flip

1432
01:18:45.479 --> 01:18:49.640
<v Speaker 2>Fife Simington so then Governor Fife Simington mocked the incident

1433
01:18:49.680 --> 01:18:52.600
<v Speaker 2>at first, holding a press confidence a press conference with

1434
01:18:52.680 --> 01:18:55.840
<v Speaker 2>a staffer in an alien costume, but years later he

1435
01:18:55.920 --> 01:18:59.920
<v Speaker 2>admitted the truth He saw the massive craft himself. Simmington

1436
01:19:00.159 --> 01:19:04.760
<v Speaker 2>called it enormous and inexplicable, and criticized the government's lack

1437
01:19:04.800 --> 01:19:08.520
<v Speaker 2>of transparency. It's like you were the governors. But his

1438
01:19:08.600 --> 01:19:11.319
<v Speaker 2>flip flop remains one of the most damning signs that

1439
01:19:11.399 --> 01:19:13.279
<v Speaker 2>officials knew more than they let on.

1440
01:19:14.039 --> 01:19:16.880
<v Speaker 4>So yeah, absolutely, let's.

1441
01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:21.880
<v Speaker 2>Get over to that. Now. This is fucking wild dude.

1442
01:19:22.119 --> 01:19:27.760
<v Speaker 2>All right, so Fife, Symington, here we go. This is

1443
01:19:27.840 --> 01:19:29.800
<v Speaker 2>your boy. We don't need to read the whole Wikipedia

1444
01:19:29.840 --> 01:19:31.680
<v Speaker 2>on him or anything like that. I just wanted to

1445
01:19:31.680 --> 01:19:35.399
<v Speaker 2>pull it up because whenever I was doing research, so Fife,

1446
01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:38.479
<v Speaker 2>this is whenever he's making a mockery of it. And right,

1447
01:19:38.560 --> 01:19:41.159
<v Speaker 2>it's only thirty five seconds long, but check it out, dude,

1448
01:19:41.920 --> 01:19:45.039
<v Speaker 2>the pot and he went to humorous and controversial lengths.

1449
01:19:45.079 --> 01:19:46.319
<v Speaker 13>Not to stir the pods.

1450
01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:47.479
<v Speaker 4>He held a news.

1451
01:19:47.279 --> 01:19:50.239
<v Speaker 2>Conference after the Phoenix lights to announce the mystery had

1452
01:19:50.239 --> 01:19:51.079
<v Speaker 2>been solid unity.

1453
01:19:51.640 --> 01:19:54.479
<v Speaker 18>And now I'll ask Officer Stein and his colleagues to

1454
01:19:54.600 --> 01:19:56.760
<v Speaker 18>escort the accused into the room so that we may

1455
01:19:56.800 --> 01:19:59.279
<v Speaker 18>all look upon the guilty party. Don't get him too

1456
01:19:59.279 --> 01:20:02.000
<v Speaker 18>close to me, please.

1457
01:20:01.319 --> 01:20:04.479
<v Speaker 2>You know, in the alien costume the governor's chief staff.

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01:20:05.039 --> 01:20:06.560
<v Speaker 18>Now this just goes to show that you guys are

1459
01:20:06.680 --> 01:20:07.680
<v Speaker 18>entirely too serious.

1460
01:20:09.840 --> 01:20:13.239
<v Speaker 19>UFO enthusiasts were not amused, especially since the governor was

1461
01:20:13.279 --> 01:20:14.439
<v Speaker 19>believed to have seen nothing.

1462
01:20:14.960 --> 01:20:19.279
<v Speaker 2>But now he's coming out, Yeah, made a joke of it,

1463
01:20:19.319 --> 01:20:20.680
<v Speaker 2>and you can tell that he was reading from a

1464
01:20:20.680 --> 01:20:24.239
<v Speaker 2>script whenever he was saying that. So, I mean, as

1465
01:20:24.319 --> 01:20:27.359
<v Speaker 2>most you know politicians do, it's nothing crazy that somebody's

1466
01:20:27.359 --> 01:20:29.600
<v Speaker 2>reads from a script. But if this is supposed to

1467
01:20:29.640 --> 01:20:31.520
<v Speaker 2>be a joke, why you need a script? You know

1468
01:20:31.560 --> 01:20:31.960
<v Speaker 2>what I'm saying.

1469
01:20:32.039 --> 01:20:35.000
<v Speaker 3>And as he's coming out about it years later, right,

1470
01:20:35.039 --> 01:20:38.640
<v Speaker 3>they're showing what his initial stance was, and now they're saying, yeah,

1471
01:20:38.680 --> 01:20:41.600
<v Speaker 3>now he's actually coming out and talking more realistically about it.

1472
01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:45.439
<v Speaker 3>But I'm sorry, bro, you went on record publicly calling

1473
01:20:45.479 --> 01:20:48.920
<v Speaker 3>everybody you know out being like, y'all, y'all are too serious, y'all,

1474
01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:51.880
<v Speaker 3>y'all worry. Here's the guilty party right here with these

1475
01:20:51.920 --> 01:20:53.159
<v Speaker 3>tall alien types.

1476
01:20:53.600 --> 01:20:53.800
<v Speaker 4>Bro.

1477
01:20:53.960 --> 01:21:00.800
<v Speaker 2>What Yeah. Yeah, Supposedly it was part of his annual joke,

1478
01:21:01.119 --> 01:21:04.680
<v Speaker 2>but everybody that knew him said, no, this guy never

1479
01:21:04.720 --> 01:21:07.800
<v Speaker 2>made jokes. He was always serious about everything. And if

1480
01:21:07.800 --> 01:21:10.319
<v Speaker 2>it was an annual summer joke, this was the first

1481
01:21:10.359 --> 01:21:11.199
<v Speaker 2>time he's ever done it.

1482
01:21:11.880 --> 01:21:16.800
<v Speaker 3>An annual summer joke in the month of March, right, Yeah.

1483
01:21:16.560 --> 01:21:19.279
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Well this was I think like a month or

1484
01:21:19.319 --> 01:21:22.880
<v Speaker 2>two after, because they, like the whole state remained completely

1485
01:21:22.920 --> 01:21:26.159
<v Speaker 2>silent on what it was, and people were waiting on him,

1486
01:21:26.279 --> 01:21:29.720
<v Speaker 2>Like so all the researchers were all coming together and

1487
01:21:29.760 --> 01:21:32.399
<v Speaker 2>like they were all corroborating information and everything, and they

1488
01:21:32.439 --> 01:21:35.479
<v Speaker 2>were waiting on the government, on the governor to talk

1489
01:21:35.479 --> 01:21:37.920
<v Speaker 2>about it, right, and they were like had high hopes

1490
01:21:37.920 --> 01:21:40.079
<v Speaker 2>for it because oh my god, I was just a

1491
01:21:40.159 --> 01:21:45.239
<v Speaker 2>witness to the craziest UFO event in world history, and

1492
01:21:45.279 --> 01:21:47.560
<v Speaker 2>then this fucking guy comes and makes a mockery out

1493
01:21:47.560 --> 01:21:50.800
<v Speaker 2>of everybody, and everybody's you know, essentially deflated after that.

1494
01:21:51.840 --> 01:21:55.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry. He's he's a piece of shit.

1495
01:21:55.159 --> 01:21:57.720
<v Speaker 3>In my mind, even if he's coming out now, it's like, bro,

1496
01:21:57.880 --> 01:21:59.840
<v Speaker 3>you you publicly talked.

1497
01:22:00.439 --> 01:22:02.399
<v Speaker 4>Oh here we have him now talking about it.

1498
01:22:02.840 --> 01:22:08.279
<v Speaker 2>Cut to ten years after the summer joke. This is

1499
01:22:08.279 --> 01:22:11.920
<v Speaker 2>a five minute long video of him talking about he's

1500
01:22:11.920 --> 01:22:14.520
<v Speaker 2>a believer. He knows what he saw. It can't be explained.

1501
01:22:15.159 --> 01:22:18.520
<v Speaker 18>Okay, I'm five Simington. In nineteen ninety seven, during my

1502
01:22:18.640 --> 01:22:21.880
<v Speaker 18>second term as governor of Arizona, I saw something that

1503
01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:26.479
<v Speaker 18>defied logic and challenged my reality. I witnessed a massive

1504
01:22:27.119 --> 01:22:31.319
<v Speaker 18>delta shaped craft that silently navigated over the Squaw Peak

1505
01:22:31.920 --> 01:22:36.159
<v Speaker 18>area in North Phoenix in the evening, and it was

1506
01:22:36.199 --> 01:22:42.399
<v Speaker 18>truly breathtaking. To my astonishment, it appeared that it appeared

1507
01:22:42.439 --> 01:22:45.760
<v Speaker 18>to be a solid structure. It was huge, It had

1508
01:22:45.760 --> 01:22:50.079
<v Speaker 18>a very distinctive leading edge with embedded, huge embedded lights

1509
01:22:50.520 --> 01:22:54.399
<v Speaker 18>in it, and it was just traveling quietly, made no

1510
01:22:54.520 --> 01:22:58.319
<v Speaker 18>sound through the Arizona night sky. I still don't know

1511
01:22:58.359 --> 01:23:01.479
<v Speaker 18>what it was. As a pilot and a former Air

1512
01:23:01.479 --> 01:23:05.239
<v Speaker 18>Force officer, I can definitively say that this craft did

1513
01:23:05.279 --> 01:23:07.680
<v Speaker 18>not resemble any man made object that I'd ever seen,

1514
01:23:08.600 --> 01:23:13.239
<v Speaker 18>and it was certainly not high altitude flares as put

1515
01:23:13.239 --> 01:23:15.720
<v Speaker 18>out by the Air Force at Luke Air Force Base,

1516
01:23:16.359 --> 01:23:21.560
<v Speaker 18>because I've never seen flares fly in formation. The incident

1517
01:23:21.640 --> 01:23:24.760
<v Speaker 18>was witnessed by hundreds, if not thousands, of people in

1518
01:23:24.840 --> 01:23:28.920
<v Speaker 18>Americapa County and in southern Arizona, and my office was

1519
01:23:28.960 --> 01:23:34.399
<v Speaker 18>besieged with phone calls from very concerned citizens. The growing

1520
01:23:34.479 --> 01:23:39.560
<v Speaker 18>hysteria intensified when the story broke nationally, and so I

1521
01:23:39.680 --> 01:23:42.800
<v Speaker 18>decided to lighten the mood of the state and I

1522
01:23:42.840 --> 01:23:46.640
<v Speaker 18>called a press conference where I dressed up my chief

1523
01:23:46.640 --> 01:23:50.279
<v Speaker 18>of staff in a Martian outfit. It was meant to

1524
01:23:50.279 --> 01:23:53.960
<v Speaker 18>be a spoof, a good natured spoof that worked. We

1525
01:23:54.039 --> 01:23:56.199
<v Speaker 18>managed to lessen the sense of panic at the time,

1526
01:23:57.119 --> 01:24:02.079
<v Speaker 18>but I also upset quite a few of my constituents. Well,

1527
01:24:02.079 --> 01:24:04.840
<v Speaker 18>I'd like now to set the record straight. I never

1528
01:24:04.920 --> 01:24:09.079
<v Speaker 18>meant to ridicule anyone. My office did make inquiries as

1529
01:24:09.079 --> 01:24:11.520
<v Speaker 18>to the origin of the craft, but to this day

1530
01:24:11.600 --> 01:24:16.640
<v Speaker 18>they remain unanswered. Eventually, the Air National Guard claim responsibility,

1531
01:24:16.760 --> 01:24:19.039
<v Speaker 18>stating that their pilots had been dropping flares.

1532
01:24:19.880 --> 01:24:21.560
<v Speaker 13>They also another.

1533
01:24:21.279 --> 01:24:25.479
<v Speaker 18>Individual from Tucson said that a Tens had been flying

1534
01:24:25.479 --> 01:24:28.880
<v Speaker 18>in formation over Maricopa County. But those of us in

1535
01:24:28.920 --> 01:24:30.960
<v Speaker 18>the Air Force and those of you who know about

1536
01:24:31.000 --> 01:24:34.039
<v Speaker 18>a Tens, they're called the Warthog. It's a tank killing aircraft.

1537
01:24:34.359 --> 01:24:36.560
<v Speaker 18>Know that it's the noisiest machine in the sky. And

1538
01:24:36.600 --> 01:24:38.840
<v Speaker 18>there's no way that a flight of a Tens could

1539
01:24:38.840 --> 01:24:40.640
<v Speaker 18>come over Maricopa County and be quiet.

1540
01:24:40.800 --> 01:24:41.760
<v Speaker 4>That just doesn't work.

1541
01:24:42.600 --> 01:24:45.720
<v Speaker 18>So we get these explanations that fly in the face effects.

1542
01:24:46.399 --> 01:24:52.880
<v Speaker 18>Explanations like weather balloons, swamp gas, military flares, and hardware

1543
01:24:52.920 --> 01:24:56.960
<v Speaker 18>and software problems. I was never happy with this silly,

1544
01:24:57.239 --> 01:25:01.199
<v Speaker 18>silly explanation. There might there might very well have been

1545
01:25:01.359 --> 01:25:04.079
<v Speaker 18>military flares in the sky that evening, but that's sure

1546
01:25:04.239 --> 01:25:09.319
<v Speaker 18>wasn't I And what hundreds of my fellow citizens saw, well,

1547
01:25:09.319 --> 01:25:12.439
<v Speaker 18>I now know that I'm not alone in witnessing something extraordinary.

1548
01:25:12.600 --> 01:25:16.119
<v Speaker 18>That's the bottom line. There are many high ranking military,

1549
01:25:16.600 --> 01:25:20.640
<v Speaker 18>aviation and government officials, many of whom are here today,

1550
01:25:20.680 --> 01:25:25.399
<v Speaker 18>who share my concerns. Some of them have truly exceptional

1551
01:25:25.479 --> 01:25:28.760
<v Speaker 18>stories to tell. There's absolutely no doubt as to the

1552
01:25:28.840 --> 01:25:31.640
<v Speaker 18>veracity of what these men have told you. They have

1553
01:25:31.680 --> 01:25:36.319
<v Speaker 18>fought in wars, they have guarded top secret weapons, and

1554
01:25:36.520 --> 01:25:41.520
<v Speaker 18>they've flown countless passengers throughout the world's skies. Incidents like

1555
01:25:41.560 --> 01:25:45.359
<v Speaker 18>these are not going away. One year ago, Chicago's O'Hare

1556
01:25:45.359 --> 01:25:49.359
<v Speaker 18>Airport experienced a UFO event that made national and international headlines.

1557
01:25:50.119 --> 01:25:54.760
<v Speaker 18>Pilots and many other airline employees observed a metallic looking

1558
01:25:54.800 --> 01:25:58.319
<v Speaker 18>disc covering over the United Airlines terminal for several minutes,

1559
01:25:58.840 --> 01:26:00.680
<v Speaker 18>and then it shot straight up up into the sky

1560
01:26:00.800 --> 01:26:05.199
<v Speaker 18>cut a hole in the sky disappeared. The FAA apparently

1561
01:26:05.239 --> 01:26:11.600
<v Speaker 18>did not investigate dismiss the sightings as weather. We want

1562
01:26:11.880 --> 01:26:16.399
<v Speaker 18>the United States government to stop perpetuating the myth that

1563
01:26:16.479 --> 01:26:19.880
<v Speaker 18>all UFOs can be explained away down to earth in

1564
01:26:19.920 --> 01:26:25.039
<v Speaker 18>conventional terms. Instead, our country needs to reopen its official

1565
01:26:25.079 --> 01:26:29.279
<v Speaker 18>investigation that it shut down in nineteen sixty nine. The

1566
01:26:29.359 --> 01:26:33.920
<v Speaker 18>United States government can no longer shine an international dialogue

1567
01:26:33.960 --> 01:26:37.560
<v Speaker 18>about this phenomena, and we invite the government to work

1568
01:26:37.600 --> 01:26:41.479
<v Speaker 18>in cooperation with countries as represented on both sides of

1569
01:26:41.479 --> 01:26:45.640
<v Speaker 18>me here today, when it comes to events of this nature,

1570
01:26:46.039 --> 01:26:52.239
<v Speaker 18>dealing with the great unknown, we deserve I believe more

1571
01:26:52.279 --> 01:26:57.479
<v Speaker 18>openness and a serious pursuit of the facts by our government,

1572
01:26:58.239 --> 01:26:59.039
<v Speaker 18>Thank you very much.

1573
01:27:00.439 --> 01:27:03.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, So this is the same guy that made a

1574
01:27:03.520 --> 01:27:08.119
<v Speaker 2>mockery and now is calling for the government to come clean.

1575
01:27:08.920 --> 01:27:11.840
<v Speaker 2>My thing is is that you had the opportunity to

1576
01:27:11.840 --> 01:27:16.159
<v Speaker 2>come clean, and you didn't. You decided to laugh at

1577
01:27:16.159 --> 01:27:19.479
<v Speaker 2>everybody and bring up a person in an alien costume

1578
01:27:19.520 --> 01:27:21.560
<v Speaker 2>and make it seem like it wasn't that big a deal.

1579
01:27:22.279 --> 01:27:26.600
<v Speaker 2>The problem is is that we always hear about politicians

1580
01:27:27.640 --> 01:27:30.439
<v Speaker 2>kind of not really having the control that we think

1581
01:27:30.479 --> 01:27:34.640
<v Speaker 2>that they have because of certain blackmail. Right, And how

1582
01:27:34.680 --> 01:27:37.680
<v Speaker 2>interesting is it that he was being charged with fraud

1583
01:27:39.800 --> 01:27:42.439
<v Speaker 2>such as I think, evading taxes and lying about his

1584
01:27:42.520 --> 01:27:46.439
<v Speaker 2>property value and stuff like that. How interesting and convenient

1585
01:27:46.840 --> 01:27:50.119
<v Speaker 2>is that he was in the middle of that whole scandal.

1586
01:27:50.600 --> 01:27:54.119
<v Speaker 2>He's boys with Bill Clinton. He then gets pardoned a

1587
01:27:54.159 --> 01:27:58.000
<v Speaker 2>couple of months after he makes the joke of the alien,

1588
01:27:58.640 --> 01:28:01.960
<v Speaker 2>and now all this sudden that he's not governor anymore,

1589
01:28:02.119 --> 01:28:04.920
<v Speaker 2>he's coming out and saying, I saw it with my

1590
01:28:05.039 --> 01:28:08.239
<v Speaker 2>own eyes. Don't lie to me, don't don't spin on me,

1591
01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:09.199
<v Speaker 2>and tell me it's raining.

1592
01:28:10.279 --> 01:28:13.079
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so real quick.

1593
01:28:13.119 --> 01:28:16.600
<v Speaker 3>Also, something they said they kept saying earlier that these

1594
01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:21.119
<v Speaker 3>planes were I thought I heard them say thunderbirds. Now

1595
01:28:21.119 --> 01:28:23.399
<v Speaker 3>I'm hearing him say that it's the A ten Warthog.

1596
01:28:24.560 --> 01:28:26.760
<v Speaker 3>Did they in these previous articles say that it was

1597
01:28:26.800 --> 01:28:30.000
<v Speaker 3>a thunderbolt or a thunderbird thunderbolts.

1598
01:28:30.039 --> 01:28:34.039
<v Speaker 2>He said that that they were designed to take out

1599
01:28:34.119 --> 01:28:35.520
<v Speaker 2>like tanks or something like that.

1600
01:28:35.880 --> 01:28:37.479
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I know the A ten Warthog.

1601
01:28:37.560 --> 01:28:40.640
<v Speaker 3>Bro if you ever see the the memes of like

1602
01:28:40.840 --> 01:28:44.800
<v Speaker 3>the the cannon go, because that's what they do, right,

1603
01:28:44.880 --> 01:28:48.760
<v Speaker 3>and it's a whole thing. For the whole time, I

1604
01:28:48.960 --> 01:28:53.159
<v Speaker 3>thought we were talking about the thunderbird, which is a

1605
01:28:53.199 --> 01:28:57.600
<v Speaker 3>completely different air platform than the thunder bolt aka the warthog.

1606
01:28:59.119 --> 01:29:02.039
<v Speaker 3>That being said, either one of them to his point,

1607
01:29:02.399 --> 01:29:05.960
<v Speaker 3>are going to be loud as the fuck. There's no

1608
01:29:06.039 --> 01:29:10.680
<v Speaker 3>way that that's flying anywhere within a thousand feet of you,

1609
01:29:10.840 --> 01:29:12.399
<v Speaker 3>and you're not gonna know about it.

1610
01:29:12.560 --> 01:29:20.039
<v Speaker 2>Bro absolute absolutely silent in a clear, moonless sky. People

1611
01:29:20.119 --> 01:29:23.960
<v Speaker 2>that lived on the outskirt outskirts of Phoenix where it's

1612
01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:26.640
<v Speaker 2>always quiet in the middle of the desert said even

1613
01:29:26.680 --> 01:29:31.439
<v Speaker 2>still heard nothing. So I'm sorry, you can't say that

1614
01:29:31.479 --> 01:29:34.760
<v Speaker 2>it's aircraft, especially not the fucking ones that you're talking about,

1615
01:29:35.159 --> 01:29:39.760
<v Speaker 2>like the loudest pieces of machinery in the sky, and say, ah,

1616
01:29:39.800 --> 01:29:42.760
<v Speaker 2>that's all it was. Yes, sorry, it doesn't work.

1617
01:29:43.800 --> 01:29:44.319
<v Speaker 4>It does not.

1618
01:29:44.520 --> 01:29:47.720
<v Speaker 3>And so I looked up, is this something that the

1619
01:29:47.720 --> 01:29:53.800
<v Speaker 3>A ten platform carries that specific luminary slow burning flare?

1620
01:29:54.239 --> 01:29:57.479
<v Speaker 3>Like the government has said, yes, they can carry them.

1621
01:29:57.800 --> 01:30:00.640
<v Speaker 3>But again it even says in the description here the

1622
01:30:00.760 --> 01:30:04.439
<v Speaker 3>A ten pile of candle deploy these flares using the

1623
01:30:04.560 --> 01:30:10.479
<v Speaker 3>continually continuously computed release point or CCRP made to precisely

1624
01:30:10.520 --> 01:30:13.439
<v Speaker 3>drop them over a desired location. This is true, but

1625
01:30:13.520 --> 01:30:16.960
<v Speaker 3>again after ejection, a timer deploys a parachuting ignites the

1626
01:30:16.960 --> 01:30:20.399
<v Speaker 3>flare candle, which then burns as it slowly descends. We

1627
01:30:20.439 --> 01:30:22.600
<v Speaker 3>saw the pictures of what these flares look like when

1628
01:30:22.600 --> 01:30:27.520
<v Speaker 3>they are deployed and there's a smoke plume that follows them.

1629
01:30:28.000 --> 01:30:30.479
<v Speaker 3>And even in this description it talks about how this

1630
01:30:30.520 --> 01:30:34.159
<v Speaker 3>is to illuminate ground forces and to be careful about

1631
01:30:34.239 --> 01:30:37.119
<v Speaker 3>using them if you're also using mvgs, because they'll ruin

1632
01:30:37.159 --> 01:30:39.279
<v Speaker 3>your night vision. Now I don't mean ruins them like

1633
01:30:39.319 --> 01:30:41.359
<v Speaker 3>you'll never be able to use these mvgs. Again, what

1634
01:30:41.439 --> 01:30:43.920
<v Speaker 3>I'm saying is that if you're using mvgs and that

1635
01:30:43.960 --> 01:30:46.960
<v Speaker 3>thing goes off, it's gonna blind you. Your entire MVG

1636
01:30:47.119 --> 01:30:48.840
<v Speaker 3>is just gonna be bright green and you're not gonna

1637
01:30:48.840 --> 01:30:51.560
<v Speaker 3>be able to see shit. So it's it's used for

1638
01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:55.239
<v Speaker 3>ground forces to be able to see what they're doing

1639
01:30:55.439 --> 01:30:55.920
<v Speaker 3>at night.

1640
01:30:56.520 --> 01:30:59.359
<v Speaker 4>That's it. Can the A ten Warhall drop them? Yes?

1641
01:31:00.119 --> 01:31:03.319
<v Speaker 3>Is that what happened on this evening in question? Abs

1642
01:31:03.359 --> 01:31:04.359
<v Speaker 3>a fuckolutely?

1643
01:31:04.479 --> 01:31:06.279
<v Speaker 2>Not no way, no way.

1644
01:31:06.359 --> 01:31:07.479
<v Speaker 4>Now, the fact that.

1645
01:31:07.399 --> 01:31:10.159
<v Speaker 3>The governor has changed his story and is coming clean

1646
01:31:10.159 --> 01:31:13.039
<v Speaker 3>about it now I appreciate.

1647
01:31:12.600 --> 01:31:14.560
<v Speaker 2>Better than I do, better than non you know.

1648
01:31:14.960 --> 01:31:19.159
<v Speaker 4>Yes, However, my boy, it's not a good look.

1649
01:31:19.199 --> 01:31:21.039
<v Speaker 3>It's not a good look that you first tried to

1650
01:31:21.079 --> 01:31:24.359
<v Speaker 3>make jokes when the people wanted answers, and it's not

1651
01:31:24.439 --> 01:31:26.359
<v Speaker 3>a good look that you're flip flopping on it now.

1652
01:31:26.439 --> 01:31:29.079
<v Speaker 3>But I can at least give you the smallest bit

1653
01:31:29.119 --> 01:31:31.640
<v Speaker 3>of props for trying to come clean. But that's the

1654
01:31:31.720 --> 01:31:34.840
<v Speaker 3>damage is already done. You pissed off ten percent of

1655
01:31:34.840 --> 01:31:36.520
<v Speaker 3>your state by doing that.

1656
01:31:36.880 --> 01:31:38.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I'll give him a little bit of,

1657
01:31:39.119 --> 01:31:42.479
<v Speaker 2>you know, for redemption, but yeah, you can't go. I'm sorry.

1658
01:31:42.640 --> 01:31:46.359
<v Speaker 2>Like every shade that is thrown at him is is rightfully,

1659
01:31:46.399 --> 01:31:51.319
<v Speaker 2>so it's warranted. He did that to himself, so all right.

1660
01:31:51.359 --> 01:31:53.760
<v Speaker 2>So this is from the Discovery UK. It says some

1661
01:31:53.920 --> 01:31:56.720
<v Speaker 2>theories suggest that the V shape formation responsible for the

1662
01:31:56.720 --> 01:32:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Phoenix Arizona lights could could have been an ex experimental

1663
01:32:00.720 --> 01:32:04.479
<v Speaker 2>or military aircraft, possibly a stealth plane or other advanced

1664
01:32:04.479 --> 01:32:08.479
<v Speaker 2>secretive aviation technology. Proponents of this theory point to the

1665
01:32:08.520 --> 01:32:12.000
<v Speaker 2>size and silent operation of the object as indicative of

1666
01:32:12.079 --> 01:32:15.279
<v Speaker 2>experimental military objects unknown to the public at the time.

1667
01:32:16.840 --> 01:32:20.960
<v Speaker 2>These are theories. Even the government itself has said, no,

1668
01:32:21.640 --> 01:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>it was these loud ass machineries, so couldn't have been

1669
01:32:25.000 --> 01:32:28.399
<v Speaker 2>some kind of stealth objects. Yeah, So, and then it

1670
01:32:28.439 --> 01:32:32.359
<v Speaker 2>points to the atmospheric conditions another explanation posits that certain

1671
01:32:32.680 --> 01:32:36.239
<v Speaker 2>atmospheric conditions on that night might have caused or contributed

1672
01:32:36.279 --> 01:32:40.479
<v Speaker 2>to the visibility of distant or conventional lights in unusual ways.

1673
01:32:40.840 --> 01:32:44.880
<v Speaker 2>This could involve temperature inversions or reflections from man made

1674
01:32:44.960 --> 01:32:50.279
<v Speaker 2>or natural sources, leading to illusions, misidentified celestial objects, or

1675
01:32:50.319 --> 01:32:55.119
<v Speaker 2>misinterpretations of natural phenomena as something more mysterious. This is

1676
01:32:55.119 --> 01:32:58.079
<v Speaker 2>where you get the idea of some people like to

1677
01:32:58.199 --> 01:33:00.720
<v Speaker 2>posit swamp gas. And I just I just want to say,

1678
01:33:00.800 --> 01:33:02.520
<v Speaker 2>have you ever been to fucking Arizona.

1679
01:33:03.359 --> 01:33:07.560
<v Speaker 4>Have you never heard of their quite famous swamp Jonathan.

1680
01:33:08.239 --> 01:33:11.399
<v Speaker 2>It's the desert where it is in the summer, and

1681
01:33:11.720 --> 01:33:15.479
<v Speaker 2>this was in March, so it's coming into spring. You're

1682
01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:20.199
<v Speaker 2>you're looking at eighty to ninety degrees, okay, and it's

1683
01:33:20.239 --> 01:33:23.439
<v Speaker 2>in the middle of the fucking desert. Swamp gas is

1684
01:33:23.479 --> 01:33:25.800
<v Speaker 2>not going to be seen over the course of three

1685
01:33:25.880 --> 01:33:27.119
<v Speaker 2>hundred miles.

1686
01:33:27.720 --> 01:33:29.039
<v Speaker 4>No to that point.

1687
01:33:29.159 --> 01:33:31.520
<v Speaker 3>Actually, when I was in Phoenix just a few months ago,

1688
01:33:32.640 --> 01:33:36.560
<v Speaker 3>it had rained two days prior to me landing. Keep

1689
01:33:36.560 --> 01:33:39.880
<v Speaker 3>in mind, I'm coming from Louisiana, where we have ninety

1690
01:33:39.920 --> 01:33:43.199
<v Speaker 3>five percent humidity on a dry day. Right, I get

1691
01:33:43.199 --> 01:33:45.479
<v Speaker 3>off the plane in Arizona, and everybody's like, God, it's

1692
01:33:45.520 --> 01:33:47.760
<v Speaker 3>so humid right now. It just rained a couple days ago,

1693
01:33:47.800 --> 01:33:51.800
<v Speaker 3>and I'm like, I'm sorry, what, this is the driest

1694
01:33:52.199 --> 01:33:53.640
<v Speaker 3>I have felt in years.

1695
01:33:53.760 --> 01:33:55.920
<v Speaker 2>At most they'll have like they'll have like ten percent

1696
01:33:55.960 --> 01:33:57.800
<v Speaker 2>humidity or fifteen percent or something like that.

1697
01:33:58.319 --> 01:34:01.560
<v Speaker 3>These people were acting like they were in fucking Vietnam, dude,

1698
01:34:01.640 --> 01:34:02.359
<v Speaker 3>with the humidity.

1699
01:34:02.399 --> 01:34:03.279
<v Speaker 4>I'm like, wait a minute.

1700
01:34:03.359 --> 01:34:05.760
<v Speaker 3>It rained, and even if it was a solid gully wash,

1701
01:34:05.800 --> 01:34:07.920
<v Speaker 3>that was two days ago, and you're in the desert.

1702
01:34:08.000 --> 01:34:11.520
<v Speaker 3>It has beyond dried since then. I saw no puddles

1703
01:34:11.600 --> 01:34:14.119
<v Speaker 3>on the ground. And these people got the au Dasy

1704
01:34:14.119 --> 01:34:16.880
<v Speaker 3>to complain about humidity, and then these fucks got the

1705
01:34:16.920 --> 01:34:18.159
<v Speaker 3>au Dacy to claim.

1706
01:34:17.880 --> 01:34:23.239
<v Speaker 4>That swamp gas is a thing in the fucking desert. Yeah.

1707
01:34:23.399 --> 01:34:28.039
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's funny how perspective changes. Because so my whole family,

1708
01:34:28.079 --> 01:34:30.079
<v Speaker 2>we used to all live in Louisiana, right, and we

1709
01:34:30.119 --> 01:34:34.680
<v Speaker 2>stayed there for fifteen twenty years, and eventually everybody started

1710
01:34:34.680 --> 01:34:37.600
<v Speaker 2>to sparse out. My parents moved to Arizona. I eventually

1711
01:34:37.600 --> 01:34:41.439
<v Speaker 2>moved to Texas. But my parents who've now been living

1712
01:34:41.479 --> 01:34:43.840
<v Speaker 2>there for like eight or nine years in Arizona in

1713
01:34:43.920 --> 01:34:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Lake Havasu City, which at one point in time was

1714
01:34:46.920 --> 01:34:49.800
<v Speaker 2>known as the hottest place in the world. By the way,

1715
01:34:49.840 --> 01:34:53.920
<v Speaker 2>for a couple of years, it's like, on a regular basis,

1716
01:34:53.920 --> 01:34:56.960
<v Speaker 2>it'll get up to one twenty five uh and with

1717
01:34:57.079 --> 01:35:00.760
<v Speaker 2>no humidity at all, like crazy. But on days you.

1718
01:35:00.680 --> 01:35:04.000
<v Speaker 4>Can even imagine humidity around a lake like that's a

1719
01:35:04.000 --> 01:35:06.640
<v Speaker 4>conversation that we could at least have. But it's nothing

1720
01:35:06.680 --> 01:35:08.399
<v Speaker 4>compared to the Bayou humidity.

1721
01:35:08.640 --> 01:35:12.000
<v Speaker 2>No, not even close. But it's funny because my parents

1722
01:35:12.039 --> 01:35:14.640
<v Speaker 2>lived in Louisiana for that long and now that they've

1723
01:35:14.640 --> 01:35:16.479
<v Speaker 2>been living in Arizona for eight or nine years and

1724
01:35:16.520 --> 01:35:18.920
<v Speaker 2>it rains, they're like, oh, it's so humid out here.

1725
01:35:18.960 --> 01:35:23.159
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I wish it was only that humid, right.

1726
01:35:23.880 --> 01:35:25.319
<v Speaker 4>And it's so temporary too.

1727
01:35:25.399 --> 01:35:28.960
<v Speaker 3>It's no, there's there is no swamps in the Great

1728
01:35:29.000 --> 01:35:33.479
<v Speaker 3>State of Arizona. Okay, there's no swamp gas being omitted,

1729
01:35:33.920 --> 01:35:36.800
<v Speaker 3>And even if there was, it's not being omitted three

1730
01:35:36.920 --> 01:35:39.760
<v Speaker 3>hundred feet in the air in some discernible way. If anything,

1731
01:35:39.760 --> 01:35:41.880
<v Speaker 3>it's gonna dissipate to such a level to where it's

1732
01:35:42.079 --> 01:35:44.000
<v Speaker 3>negligible anything above.

1733
01:35:44.119 --> 01:35:45.520
<v Speaker 4>I would argue one hundred.

1734
01:35:45.279 --> 01:35:48.199
<v Speaker 2>Feet that's what I'm saying, and personally, that's why I

1735
01:35:48.239 --> 01:35:51.399
<v Speaker 2>love Arizona. I don't. I don't hate the heat. The

1736
01:35:51.439 --> 01:35:54.760
<v Speaker 2>heat doesn't bother me. The humidity whenever I feel like

1737
01:35:54.880 --> 01:35:58.399
<v Speaker 2>I gotta get goggles and a snorkeleron to go outside.

1738
01:35:58.720 --> 01:36:01.239
<v Speaker 2>That's why I can't stand the way Louisiana And to be honest,

1739
01:36:01.239 --> 01:36:03.279
<v Speaker 2>Texas ain't much fucking better now.

1740
01:36:03.319 --> 01:36:05.199
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I get it, but it depends on where

1741
01:36:05.199 --> 01:36:07.640
<v Speaker 3>in Texas. Right, the more west you go, the least

1742
01:36:07.720 --> 01:36:09.640
<v Speaker 3>humidity you get, the less I should say.

1743
01:36:09.520 --> 01:36:11.880
<v Speaker 2>Right, I mean outside of Houston, so it's pretty close

1744
01:36:11.920 --> 01:36:13.079
<v Speaker 2>to Louisiana.

1745
01:36:13.159 --> 01:36:14.319
<v Speaker 4>It's not for everybody.

1746
01:36:14.359 --> 01:36:16.680
<v Speaker 3>I understand why people can't get down with the heat

1747
01:36:16.760 --> 01:36:19.399
<v Speaker 3>plus the humidity. For me, this is, this is my environment.

1748
01:36:19.399 --> 01:36:22.079
<v Speaker 3>I'm wearing a hoodie right now. It's fucking it's it

1749
01:36:22.319 --> 01:36:24.359
<v Speaker 3>just left August. We're still hot as soll it's like

1750
01:36:24.359 --> 01:36:27.479
<v Speaker 3>one hundred and six degrees outside. Irock a flannel in

1751
01:36:27.520 --> 01:36:30.079
<v Speaker 3>jeans year round. I love this shit, but I understand

1752
01:36:30.119 --> 01:36:32.600
<v Speaker 3>that I am the outlier, like I'm not normal. Even

1753
01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:34.439
<v Speaker 3>people that live here their whole lives think that I'm

1754
01:36:34.439 --> 01:36:35.560
<v Speaker 3>a psycho. So I get it.

1755
01:36:35.720 --> 01:36:37.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm sorry. I just don't want to go outside

1756
01:36:37.920 --> 01:36:41.680
<v Speaker 2>into a terrarium personally, it's just not my flavor.

1757
01:36:42.199 --> 01:36:44.760
<v Speaker 4>I love the jungle dog, I love the swamp.

1758
01:36:45.319 --> 01:36:48.720
<v Speaker 2>So it does, it says. The most popular and controversial

1759
01:36:49.159 --> 01:36:51.560
<v Speaker 2>theory is that the lights of Phoenix were from one

1760
01:36:51.720 --> 01:36:55.840
<v Speaker 2>or more alien spacecraft. This theory revolves around the size, formation,

1761
01:36:56.039 --> 01:36:59.199
<v Speaker 2>and flight characteristics of the lights. The lack of sound,

1762
01:36:59.319 --> 01:37:02.600
<v Speaker 2>combined with the apparent coordinated movement of the lights, fuel

1763
01:37:02.640 --> 01:37:06.800
<v Speaker 2>speculation about technology beyond human capabilities outside of our current

1764
01:37:06.880 --> 01:37:08.439
<v Speaker 2>understanding of the laws of physics.

1765
01:37:09.439 --> 01:37:10.680
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so that.

1766
01:37:10.640 --> 01:37:13.439
<v Speaker 3>Actually sounds way more probable to me given all the information.

1767
01:37:14.159 --> 01:37:16.640
<v Speaker 2>That's what I'm saying, dude. And nobody's saying that aliens

1768
01:37:16.680 --> 01:37:18.520
<v Speaker 2>came out or anything like that. So it's not like

1769
01:37:18.560 --> 01:37:21.720
<v Speaker 2>anything super wild, you know. We're just talking about seeing

1770
01:37:21.720 --> 01:37:24.359
<v Speaker 2>something strange up in the sky that is unexplainable, and

1771
01:37:24.399 --> 01:37:29.239
<v Speaker 2>the explanation from said experts are bunk as fuck. U.

1772
01:37:30.760 --> 01:37:33.119
<v Speaker 2>So then, oh, this is what's interesting. These are all

1773
01:37:33.199 --> 01:37:36.800
<v Speaker 2>of the different theories. One of them is psychological or

1774
01:37:36.840 --> 01:37:41.039
<v Speaker 2>social phenomena. This is my favorite one because it points

1775
01:37:41.359 --> 01:37:44.680
<v Speaker 2>to looking at everybody like you peasants, don't even know

1776
01:37:44.720 --> 01:37:47.520
<v Speaker 2>what you're looking at you. Just tripping. Everybody's having a

1777
01:37:47.560 --> 01:37:51.760
<v Speaker 2>collective trip. That's all you're doing, it says. Some researchers

1778
01:37:51.800 --> 01:37:54.560
<v Speaker 2>propose that the Phoenix lights can be partly explained by

1779
01:37:54.640 --> 01:37:59.399
<v Speaker 2>psychological phenomena such as mass hysteria or the power of suggestion.

1780
01:38:00.600 --> 01:38:03.880
<v Speaker 2>This ball squarely in the they saw what they wanted

1781
01:38:03.920 --> 01:38:07.479
<v Speaker 2>to see category. According to this theory, the initial reports

1782
01:38:07.479 --> 01:38:11.039
<v Speaker 2>of lights could have influenced subsequent observers to perceive mundane

1783
01:38:11.039 --> 01:38:14.960
<v Speaker 2>phenomena as extraordinary, especially in the context of a highly

1784
01:38:15.000 --> 01:38:16.199
<v Speaker 2>publicized event.

1785
01:38:17.680 --> 01:38:20.760
<v Speaker 3>Right, mass hallucination. There we go go ahead and discredit

1786
01:38:20.840 --> 01:38:21.960
<v Speaker 3>people even further.

1787
01:38:22.079 --> 01:38:23.800
<v Speaker 4>You know how people love when you do that.

1788
01:38:24.479 --> 01:38:26.119
<v Speaker 2>Unfucking real.

1789
01:38:27.720 --> 01:38:31.319
<v Speaker 3>So wow, I mean, Eve, the fucking balls on these people,

1790
01:38:32.119 --> 01:38:36.560
<v Speaker 3>balls balls, That's my question for that, not just to

1791
01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:38.880
<v Speaker 3>the writers of this article, but like to the people

1792
01:38:38.920 --> 01:38:43.800
<v Speaker 3>who are so easy to dismiss thousands, by the numbers,

1793
01:38:43.800 --> 01:38:47.279
<v Speaker 3>ten percent of Arizona, so arguably hundreds of thousands of

1794
01:38:47.359 --> 01:38:50.439
<v Speaker 3>eyewitness testimonies that know what they saw and know what

1795
01:38:50.479 --> 01:38:51.119
<v Speaker 3>they did.

1796
01:38:50.960 --> 01:38:54.159
<v Speaker 4>Not see and did not hear and did not experience

1797
01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:54.800
<v Speaker 4>in the length of.

1798
01:38:54.800 --> 01:38:57.079
<v Speaker 3>Time, and all of this to everybody who's trying to

1799
01:38:57.079 --> 01:39:00.039
<v Speaker 3>discredit them I have a question the balls, Where do

1800
01:38:59.920 --> 01:39:00.720
<v Speaker 3>you find them?

1801
01:39:01.000 --> 01:39:03.199
<v Speaker 4>Where do you find the actual balls?

1802
01:39:03.279 --> 01:39:07.920
<v Speaker 3>To smirge hundreds of thousands of people in one foul swoop,

1803
01:39:08.159 --> 01:39:09.079
<v Speaker 3>that's incredible to me.

1804
01:39:09.319 --> 01:39:12.520
<v Speaker 2>To quote Tyreek Hill, wide receiver of the Miami Dolphins,

1805
01:39:12.560 --> 01:39:18.439
<v Speaker 2>whenever he was talking about his head coach, whatever, McDaniel's something, McDaniels,

1806
01:39:19.000 --> 01:39:22.720
<v Speaker 2>he goes, we're gonna need a will Barrol because the

1807
01:39:22.760 --> 01:39:24.920
<v Speaker 2>size of those nuts are too big to carry.

1808
01:39:25.439 --> 01:39:29.279
<v Speaker 4>It's okay, insane, it's insulting at the best.

1809
01:39:29.079 --> 01:39:32.960
<v Speaker 2>It is insulting. Another theory is it's an elaborate hoax.

1810
01:39:33.359 --> 01:39:36.319
<v Speaker 2>A more skeptical approach suggests that the entire event could

1811
01:39:36.319 --> 01:39:39.520
<v Speaker 2>have been an elaborate hoax or series of optical illusions.

1812
01:39:39.760 --> 01:39:42.800
<v Speaker 2>This could involve the strategic use of flares, balloons, or

1813
01:39:42.840 --> 01:39:47.039
<v Speaker 2>other devices to create the illusion of a UFO, although

1814
01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:50.479
<v Speaker 2>the coordinated execution over such a wide area would have

1815
01:39:50.479 --> 01:39:53.720
<v Speaker 2>been challenging. Each of these theories attempts to explain the

1816
01:39:53.800 --> 01:39:57.359
<v Speaker 2>lights over the Phoenix phenomenon, but none have definitively ended

1817
01:39:57.600 --> 01:40:01.359
<v Speaker 2>ended the speculation. The Phoenix lights manny topic of fascination

1818
01:40:01.439 --> 01:40:04.880
<v Speaker 2>and debate within the UFO community and among the general public.

1819
01:40:06.279 --> 01:40:10.399
<v Speaker 2>It says, despite the official explanation, the nature of the

1820
01:40:10.479 --> 01:40:13.479
<v Speaker 2>lights that danced over the Arizona Nightskuy in March nineteen

1821
01:40:13.520 --> 01:40:17.239
<v Speaker 2>ninety seven continues to spark speculation and for some fuels

1822
01:40:17.279 --> 01:40:20.439
<v Speaker 2>the imagination about what might be the what might be

1823
01:40:20.520 --> 01:40:24.760
<v Speaker 2>possible in the vast unexplored reaches of the universe. So

1824
01:40:25.079 --> 01:40:27.520
<v Speaker 2>there's that. I wanted to just go over that right quick.

1825
01:40:28.239 --> 01:40:30.760
<v Speaker 2>Nextly I want to go over this website. This website's

1826
01:40:30.760 --> 01:40:34.479
<v Speaker 2>freaking awesome. I'm a big fan. This is South Coast

1827
01:40:34.560 --> 01:40:38.640
<v Speaker 2>PARANORMALUK dot com. So a big shout out to them. Okay,

1828
01:40:39.000 --> 01:40:41.439
<v Speaker 2>guy that wrote this named Dennis wrote this in twenty

1829
01:40:41.479 --> 01:40:45.199
<v Speaker 2>twenty four. Shout out to Denny. Here we go. This

1830
01:40:45.319 --> 01:40:49.479
<v Speaker 2>is like, you know, probably some kind of AI rendition.

1831
01:40:50.079 --> 01:40:53.239
<v Speaker 2>That's not what they saw. But usually that's like, oh

1832
01:40:53.279 --> 01:40:55.680
<v Speaker 2>it's not AI. This is I believe this was the

1833
01:40:55.720 --> 01:40:58.640
<v Speaker 2>cover for Old Girl's book that she wrote.

1834
01:40:59.319 --> 01:41:01.640
<v Speaker 3>Well, when I looked up what these flares looked like,

1835
01:41:01.720 --> 01:41:05.720
<v Speaker 3>this was an image that was shown. So I don't

1836
01:41:05.760 --> 01:41:08.319
<v Speaker 3>know if this is like a light show that was

1837
01:41:08.359 --> 01:41:11.840
<v Speaker 3>being put on fireworks flares or what, but yeah, this

1838
01:41:11.960 --> 01:41:16.880
<v Speaker 3>doesn't it's a image. This particular image. Is that exact

1839
01:41:16.920 --> 01:41:19.800
<v Speaker 3>one or what? Maybe this is an AI rendition of

1840
01:41:19.840 --> 01:41:20.960
<v Speaker 3>an event or something like that.

1841
01:41:21.000 --> 01:41:21.439
<v Speaker 4>I don't know.

1842
01:41:22.039 --> 01:41:24.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this is not a real picture. This is like

1843
01:41:24.239 --> 01:41:28.920
<v Speaker 2>an artist's rendition. But this is an interesting one, it says.

1844
01:41:28.960 --> 01:41:32.000
<v Speaker 2>He strolled down the deserted Arizona road. The desert air

1845
01:41:32.199 --> 01:41:34.680
<v Speaker 2>was still in cool, and the stars above scattered like

1846
01:41:34.720 --> 01:41:38.279
<v Speaker 2>distant embers. A strange hush fell over the night. Even

1847
01:41:38.359 --> 01:41:41.479
<v Speaker 2>the unusual or even the usual chirping of crickets seemed

1848
01:41:41.479 --> 01:41:44.840
<v Speaker 2>to vanish. Then he saw it, a silent, massive triangular

1849
01:41:44.880 --> 01:41:49.119
<v Speaker 2>craft gliding across the sky, its black surface blending seamlessly

1850
01:41:49.159 --> 01:41:52.479
<v Speaker 2>with the darkness save for numerous faintly glowing orbs that

1851
01:41:52.560 --> 01:41:56.439
<v Speaker 2>lined its edges and underside. It moved with eerie precision,

1852
01:41:56.560 --> 01:41:59.359
<v Speaker 2>blocking out the stars as it passed overhead. The sheer

1853
01:41:59.439 --> 01:42:01.840
<v Speaker 2>size of it made his stomach churn. It was unlike

1854
01:42:01.920 --> 01:42:05.159
<v Speaker 2>anything that he could imagine as man made. He stood

1855
01:42:05.199 --> 01:42:07.720
<v Speaker 2>rooted to the spot, every hair on his body standing

1856
01:42:08.199 --> 01:42:11.960
<v Speaker 2>on end, as low or as a low, almost imperceptible

1857
01:42:12.039 --> 01:42:15.880
<v Speaker 2>hum vibrated through his chest. Within moments, the craft disappeared

1858
01:42:15.880 --> 01:42:19.000
<v Speaker 2>beyond the horizon, leaving the night eerily silent. Once more,

1859
01:42:19.359 --> 01:42:21.880
<v Speaker 2>left with a racing heart, he felt a paradigm shift

1860
01:42:21.880 --> 01:42:25.000
<v Speaker 2>within him, and he asked himself, were their secrets in

1861
01:42:25.039 --> 01:42:27.960
<v Speaker 2>the stars that humanity was never meant to uncover. The

1862
01:42:27.960 --> 01:42:30.000
<v Speaker 2>Phoenix Lights incident is one of the most famous and

1863
01:42:30.039 --> 01:42:32.720
<v Speaker 2>well documented mass UFO sightings in modern history. It took

1864
01:42:32.800 --> 01:42:35.399
<v Speaker 2>place the night of March thirteenth, nineteen ninety seven, and

1865
01:42:35.479 --> 01:42:39.359
<v Speaker 2>has been a subject of intrigue, controversy, and debate ever since.

1866
01:42:40.399 --> 01:42:45.560
<v Speaker 2>So this was the newspaper. Obviously that's not what they saw,

1867
01:42:45.640 --> 01:42:50.039
<v Speaker 2>but that's how people described it. And we're going to

1868
01:42:50.079 --> 01:42:51.920
<v Speaker 2>skip over some of the things that we had already

1869
01:42:51.920 --> 01:42:56.119
<v Speaker 2>read about doctor Lynn. We're going to get into her

1870
01:42:56.199 --> 01:42:57.880
<v Speaker 2>a little, not get into her. I don't want to

1871
01:42:57.880 --> 01:43:01.079
<v Speaker 2>say it like that, but well, she's an older gal.

1872
01:43:01.800 --> 01:43:06.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't want to kill her, you know, she's so

1873
01:43:07.000 --> 01:43:12.159
<v Speaker 2>then we get into Symington and his famous fake alien

1874
01:43:12.760 --> 01:43:17.399
<v Speaker 2>coming up on the news report years later, he talked about,

1875
01:43:17.600 --> 01:43:20.079
<v Speaker 2>you know he did see it, why he didn't speak

1876
01:43:20.159 --> 01:43:20.640
<v Speaker 2>up initially?

1877
01:43:20.680 --> 01:43:21.119
<v Speaker 4>Here we go.

1878
01:43:21.399 --> 01:43:24.000
<v Speaker 2>Simmington explained that he didn't reveal his own sighting at

1879
01:43:24.000 --> 01:43:26.279
<v Speaker 2>the time because he didn't want to cause panic, and

1880
01:43:26.319 --> 01:43:28.199
<v Speaker 2>he believed that it was not his place as the

1881
01:43:28.239 --> 01:43:31.439
<v Speaker 2>governor to add to the hysteria. He felt the need

1882
01:43:31.479 --> 01:43:34.800
<v Speaker 2>to be cautious with what he said publicly, especially given

1883
01:43:34.840 --> 01:43:37.600
<v Speaker 2>the nature of his role and the situation. Over time,

1884
01:43:37.680 --> 01:43:40.119
<v Speaker 2>he realized the significance of what he had witnessed. He

1885
01:43:40.159 --> 01:43:42.399
<v Speaker 2>came to believe that the government should be more transparent

1886
01:43:42.399 --> 01:43:45.399
<v Speaker 2>about UFO sightings and phenomena. He expressed his support for

1887
01:43:45.439 --> 01:43:48.479
<v Speaker 2>a more serious investigation into the incident and encourage the

1888
01:43:48.479 --> 01:43:51.079
<v Speaker 2>public to keep an open mind about the possibility of

1889
01:43:51.079 --> 01:43:57.159
<v Speaker 2>extraterrestrial visitation. Simmington's omission in two thousand and seven was

1890
01:43:57.159 --> 01:43:59.279
<v Speaker 2>a pivotal moment for those who believe that the Phoenix

1891
01:43:59.359 --> 01:44:02.479
<v Speaker 2>Lights represented something more than Flarir's or military activity. As

1892
01:44:02.520 --> 01:44:05.159
<v Speaker 2>a former governor and someone who was in the office

1893
01:44:05.199 --> 01:44:07.520
<v Speaker 2>at the time of the event, his testimony gave the

1894
01:44:07.560 --> 01:44:12.560
<v Speaker 2>citing greater credibility for many UFO enthusiasts. Simmington's shift from

1895
01:44:12.600 --> 01:44:17.640
<v Speaker 2>skepticism and mockery to openly acknowledge acknowledging that he had

1896
01:44:17.680 --> 01:44:21.640
<v Speaker 2>witnessed something inexplicable was seen as a significant endorsement of

1897
01:44:21.680 --> 01:44:24.039
<v Speaker 2>the idea that the Phoenix Lights were not just a

1898
01:44:24.159 --> 01:44:28.000
<v Speaker 2>mundane event. His involvement also raised questions about whether there

1899
01:44:28.039 --> 01:44:30.560
<v Speaker 2>was more information that the government or military might have

1900
01:44:30.640 --> 01:44:33.479
<v Speaker 2>had about the Phoenix Lights that night that was not

1901
01:44:33.640 --> 01:44:38.720
<v Speaker 2>being shared with the public. Simmington Simington, even though he

1902
01:44:38.840 --> 01:44:41.479
<v Speaker 2>was the governor, claimed to have no more knowledge about

1903
01:44:41.479 --> 01:44:46.399
<v Speaker 2>the official explanation than anyone else, which further fueled speculation

1904
01:44:46.439 --> 01:44:51.600
<v Speaker 2>about a cover up. Simmington's legacy, It says after coming

1905
01:44:51.640 --> 01:44:55.199
<v Speaker 2>forward with his sighting, Simmington became a prominent figure in

1906
01:44:55.239 --> 01:44:58.319
<v Speaker 2>the UFO community. He appeared in documentaries and interviews where

1907
01:44:58.359 --> 01:45:01.199
<v Speaker 2>he continued to speak about the Phoenix Lights as in

1908
01:45:01.279 --> 01:45:04.960
<v Speaker 2>the broader question of UFOs and government transparency. His transformation

1909
01:45:05.079 --> 01:45:07.239
<v Speaker 2>from a governor who mocked the event to one of

1910
01:45:07.239 --> 01:45:10.359
<v Speaker 2>the most high profile witnesses to admit to seeing the

1911
01:45:10.439 --> 01:45:13.239
<v Speaker 2>lights as a testament to the complexities of how UFO

1912
01:45:13.279 --> 01:45:16.279
<v Speaker 2>phenomena are handled by public officials.

1913
01:45:16.520 --> 01:45:20.680
<v Speaker 3>Really, because it sounds more like Richard Dody to me, exactly.

1914
01:45:21.319 --> 01:45:24.199
<v Speaker 3>He literally led a guy into the insane asylum from

1915
01:45:24.239 --> 01:45:26.560
<v Speaker 3>the operations that he conducted to prove that he was

1916
01:45:26.640 --> 01:45:28.640
<v Speaker 3>crazy when he thought he was talking to aliens and

1917
01:45:28.640 --> 01:45:32.279
<v Speaker 3>he was and whatever, and then all the other side

1918
01:45:32.279 --> 01:45:35.000
<v Speaker 3>of that he flips and now he's a big proponent

1919
01:45:35.039 --> 01:45:37.600
<v Speaker 3>of well, aliens are real, and you know, the majority

1920
01:45:37.640 --> 01:45:39.560
<v Speaker 3>of the public has pretty much everything right. And I

1921
01:45:39.600 --> 01:45:42.439
<v Speaker 3>would know because I used to falsify the documents and

1922
01:45:42.520 --> 01:45:47.479
<v Speaker 3>lie to the public for a living, and all, yeah, bro, what.

1923
01:45:48.520 --> 01:45:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Then you get into the law enforcement officials we were

1924
01:45:50.920 --> 01:45:55.600
<v Speaker 2>talking about what's his name? From Paulden, it says several

1925
01:45:55.640 --> 01:45:58.520
<v Speaker 2>police officers across Arizona reported seeing the lights, and their

1926
01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:03.159
<v Speaker 2>testimonies are often considered particularly reliable because of their professional training.

1927
01:46:03.760 --> 01:46:06.000
<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you can be trained professionally as

1928
01:46:06.119 --> 01:46:08.000
<v Speaker 2>looking at UFOs, but it says.

1929
01:46:08.079 --> 01:46:09.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm about to say, what the fuck is that even

1930
01:46:09.680 --> 01:46:10.399
<v Speaker 4>supposed to mean?

1931
01:46:10.439 --> 01:46:14.560
<v Speaker 3>Like, yeah, they write up reports a lot, like a

1932
01:46:14.600 --> 01:46:17.079
<v Speaker 3>five minute encounter with the police officer very well might

1933
01:46:17.119 --> 01:46:19.520
<v Speaker 3>be an hour's worth of paperwork of them writing step

1934
01:46:19.560 --> 01:46:22.000
<v Speaker 3>by step of what happened. But it's not like they

1935
01:46:22.000 --> 01:46:24.840
<v Speaker 3>get some sort of like extra super critical training to

1936
01:46:24.880 --> 01:46:29.239
<v Speaker 3>be able to point out anomalies in the sky. They're

1937
01:46:29.279 --> 01:46:32.119
<v Speaker 3>not like air traffic controllers or even night watchers, Like

1938
01:46:32.119 --> 01:46:33.119
<v Speaker 3>what the fuck were talking about?

1939
01:46:33.199 --> 01:46:35.239
<v Speaker 2>That's a weird thing to say. Yeah, yeah, So, it

1940
01:46:35.279 --> 01:46:38.640
<v Speaker 2>says some officers in places like Phoenix Glendell and Prescott

1941
01:46:38.680 --> 01:46:42.560
<v Speaker 2>Valley have made official reports about the sighting. Law enforcement's

1942
01:46:42.720 --> 01:46:45.800
<v Speaker 2>involvement helped to aid credibility to the event, as they

1943
01:46:45.800 --> 01:46:49.840
<v Speaker 2>provided detailed and consistent descriptions of what they saw that night.

1944
01:46:50.119 --> 01:46:52.840
<v Speaker 2>Although the military later explained part of the event as

1945
01:46:52.840 --> 01:46:56.760
<v Speaker 2>flares dropped during a training exercise, some former military personnel

1946
01:46:56.800 --> 01:47:00.000
<v Speaker 2>and pilots have since come forward to challenge the official narrative.

1947
01:47:00.479 --> 01:47:03.000
<v Speaker 2>And you'll see right here this is a newspaper article

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01:47:03.079 --> 01:47:07.039
<v Speaker 2>says months later, Arizona still puzzles over the mysterious lights

1949
01:47:07.039 --> 01:47:10.560
<v Speaker 2>in the sky. Well, why would you still be puzzled?

1950
01:47:10.600 --> 01:47:12.960
<v Speaker 2>There was already an official explanation, right.

1951
01:47:13.199 --> 01:47:15.800
<v Speaker 3>That holds no fucking water when you look at it critically.

1952
01:47:15.880 --> 01:47:17.399
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, for sure, so it says.

1953
01:47:17.800 --> 01:47:23.000
<v Speaker 2>On March thirteenth, Sue Christen heard her husband call from outside,

1954
01:47:23.000 --> 01:47:26.680
<v Speaker 2>which is the video that we saw earlier, strange lights

1955
01:47:26.720 --> 01:47:29.520
<v Speaker 2>again in the sky. They had occasionally seen odd lights

1956
01:47:29.960 --> 01:47:32.720
<v Speaker 2>before from their home and from their home in North Phoenix,

1957
01:47:32.720 --> 01:47:35.600
<v Speaker 2>but these looked different. They were very bright, very large,

1958
01:47:35.640 --> 01:47:39.800
<v Speaker 2>amber or orange colored. She said. They almost looked flame like,

1959
01:47:39.920 --> 01:47:43.079
<v Speaker 2>although it wasn't. It wasn't the shape of a flame.

1960
01:47:43.479 --> 01:47:46.199
<v Speaker 2>Christen or Christen. I don't know how to say that

1961
01:47:47.279 --> 01:47:50.000
<v Speaker 2>isn't claiming to have seen a spacecraft, but she and

1962
01:47:50.039 --> 01:47:53.359
<v Speaker 2>her husband have always attributed previous sightings of odd lights

1963
01:47:53.399 --> 01:47:56.119
<v Speaker 2>to the Luke Air Force Base west to Phoenix. This

1964
01:47:56.159 --> 01:47:59.039
<v Speaker 2>particular night, they were farther to the east than they'd

1965
01:47:59.039 --> 01:48:02.680
<v Speaker 2>ever been before. People from Tucson in the south to

1966
01:48:02.880 --> 01:48:06.079
<v Speaker 2>Kingmen in the northwest called authorities and groups that track

1967
01:48:06.199 --> 01:48:09.159
<v Speaker 2>UFO sightings to report lights, many saying that they were

1968
01:48:09.199 --> 01:48:12.920
<v Speaker 2>in a boomerang formation. The event lasted one hundred and

1969
01:48:13.119 --> 01:48:15.520
<v Speaker 2>six minutes. They're saying that it wasn't two separate events,

1970
01:48:15.560 --> 01:48:19.840
<v Speaker 2>it was all one giant one. Air traffic controllers saw

1971
01:48:19.920 --> 01:48:23.560
<v Speaker 2>the lights, but their radar screens showed nothing, and officials

1972
01:48:23.560 --> 01:48:28.600
<v Speaker 2>dismissed the reports, which is usually what happens with UFO sightings,

1973
01:48:28.720 --> 01:48:32.119
<v Speaker 2>especially back with the technology of ninety seven. Right for sure,

1974
01:48:32.199 --> 01:48:34.680
<v Speaker 2>for sure, but the issue won't go away. It says

1975
01:48:34.840 --> 01:48:37.760
<v Speaker 2>you can't ignore something that happened. Something was out there,

1976
01:48:37.800 --> 01:48:41.159
<v Speaker 2>said Francis Emma Barwood, a Phoenix City councilwoman who wants

1977
01:48:41.159 --> 01:48:44.239
<v Speaker 2>an investigation. The most common description of the object, and

1978
01:48:44.279 --> 01:48:46.680
<v Speaker 2>the one captured on videotapes, was that of a huge

1979
01:48:46.800 --> 01:48:50.239
<v Speaker 2>V shaped odd object with seven lights. The most conservative

1980
01:48:50.359 --> 01:48:55.159
<v Speaker 2>estimate describes it as three football fields long. Computer analysis

1981
01:48:55.199 --> 01:48:58.119
<v Speaker 2>of tapes put it at six thousand feet more than

1982
01:48:58.159 --> 01:49:01.920
<v Speaker 2>a mile long. Observers said the object made no sound

1983
01:49:01.920 --> 01:49:05.640
<v Speaker 2>as it cruised thirty miles per hour over Phoenix, sometimes

1984
01:49:05.680 --> 01:49:10.640
<v Speaker 2>hovering in place. Weird, inexplicable, said Bill Grava, an air

1985
01:49:10.680 --> 01:49:14.359
<v Speaker 2>traffic controller working that night at Sky Harbor International Airport.

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01:49:14.600 --> 01:49:16.359
<v Speaker 2>I still don't know what to think, and I have

1987
01:49:16.520 --> 01:49:20.800
<v Speaker 2>no idea what it was. Something military, I guess, an

1988
01:49:20.800 --> 01:49:22.600
<v Speaker 2>air traffic controller just.

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01:49:22.479 --> 01:49:24.399
<v Speaker 4>Gonna say, I guess.

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01:49:24.439 --> 01:49:27.640
<v Speaker 3>Had no call sign, no tail numbers, no indications whatsoever.

1991
01:49:27.720 --> 01:49:31.960
<v Speaker 4>But must be something military. Obviously. That that goes against

1992
01:49:31.960 --> 01:49:32.600
<v Speaker 4>all logic.

1993
01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:36.399
<v Speaker 2>Okay, He and his father, an aeronautics engineer, could see

1994
01:49:36.439 --> 01:49:40.560
<v Speaker 2>the outline of a mass behind the lights, but you

1995
01:49:40.560 --> 01:49:44.039
<v Speaker 2>couldn't actually see the mass. Valentine said it was more

1996
01:49:44.159 --> 01:49:46.560
<v Speaker 2>like a gray, wavy distortion of the night sky. I

1997
01:49:46.600 --> 01:49:48.640
<v Speaker 2>don't know exactly what it was, but I know it's

1998
01:49:48.640 --> 01:49:52.319
<v Speaker 2>not a technology the public has ever heard of before.

1999
01:49:53.079 --> 01:49:56.199
<v Speaker 2>So oh wait, did I know? Yeah, that's right, so,

2000
01:49:56.319 --> 01:50:00.640
<v Speaker 2>Peter Davenport of the National UFO Reporting Center a private

2001
01:50:01.640 --> 01:50:05.159
<v Speaker 2>organization based in Seattle, said his office received hundreds of

2002
01:50:05.199 --> 01:50:08.239
<v Speaker 2>calls about that night. He said the reports were remarkably

2003
01:50:08.319 --> 01:50:12.520
<v Speaker 2>consistent in terms of time, location, and description. The incident

2004
01:50:12.560 --> 01:50:15.640
<v Speaker 2>over Arizona was the most dramatic I've seen, said Davenport,

2005
01:50:15.680 --> 01:50:19.399
<v Speaker 2>who brands most UFO reports hogwash, but not this one.

2006
01:50:19.720 --> 01:50:22.560
<v Speaker 2>What what what we have here is the real thing?

2007
01:50:22.880 --> 01:50:23.840
<v Speaker 2>They are here?

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01:50:24.840 --> 01:50:28.800
<v Speaker 4>Ah yeah, buddy, let's go.

2009
01:50:28.680 --> 01:50:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Dude, it says Barwood wrote to Senator John McCain, your boy,

2010
01:50:35.600 --> 01:50:36.920
<v Speaker 2>John McCain, that's your boy.

2011
01:50:37.479 --> 01:50:42.319
<v Speaker 3>Piece of fucking shit and Arizona if we yeah, yeah.

2012
01:50:42.199 --> 01:50:43.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I just wanted to let you have your moment

2013
01:50:43.880 --> 01:50:45.119
<v Speaker 2>of time there.

2014
01:50:45.000 --> 01:50:47.359
<v Speaker 3>To speak about and stand him. But yeah, we're not

2015
01:50:47.399 --> 01:50:49.600
<v Speaker 3>gonna go on that soapbox right now. If anybody's curious

2016
01:50:49.600 --> 01:50:52.319
<v Speaker 3>why I have such a disdain for him, uh, look

2017
01:50:52.399 --> 01:50:55.600
<v Speaker 3>up the records of his time as a pow and

2018
01:50:55.760 --> 01:50:58.560
<v Speaker 3>look at how he screwed over all of them that

2019
01:50:58.600 --> 01:50:59.199
<v Speaker 3>were left.

2020
01:50:59.039 --> 01:51:01.880
<v Speaker 4>Behind years later into the eighties and nineties.

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01:51:01.880 --> 01:51:06.840
<v Speaker 2>But anyway, so Barwood wrote to John McCain, who was

2022
01:51:06.880 --> 01:51:09.079
<v Speaker 2>the Senator at that time, urging him to ask the

2023
01:51:09.119 --> 01:51:12.359
<v Speaker 2>Air Force to investigate. McCain forwarded the letter to the

2024
01:51:12.399 --> 01:51:16.000
<v Speaker 2>Air Force, but there was no reply. One private organization

2025
01:51:16.079 --> 01:51:21.079
<v Speaker 2>has investigated, however, Arizona State director of the Muffon Network,

2026
01:51:21.199 --> 01:51:25.000
<v Speaker 2>a band of five thousand investigators around the country, proclaimed

2027
01:51:25.039 --> 01:51:28.800
<v Speaker 2>it a UFO a distinction only about five percent of

2028
01:51:28.880 --> 01:51:31.640
<v Speaker 2>sightings earned from the group. I can't vouch for it

2029
01:51:31.680 --> 01:51:35.359
<v Speaker 2>being extraterrestrial. Tom Taylor said it could be military related,

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01:51:35.399 --> 01:51:38.279
<v Speaker 2>although I find it difficult to believe that military would

2031
01:51:38.399 --> 01:51:39.800
<v Speaker 2>let it fly around like that.

2032
01:51:40.840 --> 01:51:43.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I would agree.

2033
01:51:43.520 --> 01:51:44.720
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pretty wild.

2034
01:51:45.399 --> 01:51:46.760
<v Speaker 4>Then Jess scrambled.

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01:51:46.800 --> 01:51:49.359
<v Speaker 3>When they have all these reports from the ground, multiple

2036
01:51:49.359 --> 01:51:52.399
<v Speaker 3>people calling in, you're telling me that they sent nothing

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01:51:52.439 --> 01:51:53.720
<v Speaker 3>out there to investigate.

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01:51:54.159 --> 01:51:57.760
<v Speaker 4>That's literally their job, That's what I'm saying.

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01:51:58.119 --> 01:51:58.640
<v Speaker 2>I'll explain.

2040
01:51:58.680 --> 01:51:59.920
<v Speaker 4>To find that hard to believe.

2041
01:52:00.239 --> 01:52:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Then there's Mike Fortson. So at approximately eight thirty pm

2042
01:52:03.760 --> 01:52:06.960
<v Speaker 2>on March thirteenth, Mike Fortson was walking down his hallway

2043
01:52:06.960 --> 01:52:09.279
<v Speaker 2>when he noticed that the window was open. The weather

2044
01:52:09.479 --> 01:52:12.199
<v Speaker 2>was pleasant that evening, with a temperature of twenty three

2045
01:52:12.199 --> 01:52:15.359
<v Speaker 2>degrees celsius. Oh, it's the UK article that makes sense.

2046
01:52:15.520 --> 01:52:17.880
<v Speaker 3>British I'll want to see what the fuck twenty three

2047
01:52:17.880 --> 01:52:20.520
<v Speaker 3>degrees celsius is in freedom units.

2048
01:52:20.520 --> 01:52:23.680
<v Speaker 2>But all right, yeah, he said, twenty three degrees celsius,

2049
01:52:23.720 --> 01:52:26.760
<v Speaker 2>clear skies and no wind, a typical Arizona spring night,

2050
01:52:26.840 --> 01:52:28.880
<v Speaker 2>as confirmed by the local weather forecast.

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01:52:29.119 --> 01:52:31.960
<v Speaker 4>As he moved to seventy three and a half degrees.

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01:52:32.560 --> 01:52:36.239
<v Speaker 2>Okay, that's a nice evening. As he moved to close

2053
01:52:36.279 --> 01:52:39.800
<v Speaker 2>the window, something outside caught his attention. Three enormous, bright

2054
01:52:39.880 --> 01:52:43.479
<v Speaker 2>white lights angled downward, hovering unusually close to the ground.

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01:52:43.720 --> 01:52:46.840
<v Speaker 2>His first thought was that a plane was crashing. There

2056
01:52:46.880 --> 01:52:49.039
<v Speaker 2>was no way an aircraft could recover from such a

2057
01:52:49.079 --> 01:52:52.960
<v Speaker 2>low altitude or steep angle. The entire process, he later estimated,

2058
01:52:53.039 --> 01:52:56.680
<v Speaker 2>took no more than eight to ten seconds. Instead of

2059
01:52:56.800 --> 01:53:01.159
<v Speaker 2>the plane crash that they anticipated, Forts in and now

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01:53:01.239 --> 01:53:04.720
<v Speaker 2>with his wife present, were met with the sight of

2061
01:53:04.760 --> 01:53:09.319
<v Speaker 2>a colossal, silent object slowly guiding southward. The craft, shaped

2062
01:53:09.640 --> 01:53:13.840
<v Speaker 2>shaped like a massive v or boomerang, appeared solid and

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01:53:14.079 --> 01:53:17.960
<v Speaker 2>unmistakable against the backdrop of the illuminated Phoenix metro area.

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01:53:18.279 --> 01:53:21.279
<v Speaker 2>Its sheer size and proximity to the ground were overwhelming.

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01:53:21.520 --> 01:53:26.039
<v Speaker 2>Fortsn vividly remembering saying, what the hell is that? As

2066
01:53:26.039 --> 01:53:29.800
<v Speaker 2>the craft moved closer, a commercial seven thirty seven jetliner

2067
01:53:29.840 --> 01:53:33.279
<v Speaker 2>on a landing approach crossed directly overhead. The plane was

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01:53:33.319 --> 01:53:37.239
<v Speaker 2>flying from from west to east, seemingly unaware of the

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01:53:37.319 --> 01:53:43.039
<v Speaker 2>immense V shaped object passing beneath it. Interesting, right, because

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01:53:44.960 --> 01:53:46.880
<v Speaker 2>if that was a military thing, it would have definitely

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01:53:46.920 --> 01:53:50.680
<v Speaker 2>popped up on their radar and or air traffic control

2072
01:53:50.760 --> 01:53:53.279
<v Speaker 2>would have told them about it. But the seven thirty

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01:53:53.319 --> 01:53:56.039
<v Speaker 2>seven was acting as if it didn't see it. It

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01:53:56.079 --> 01:53:58.640
<v Speaker 2>wasn't reacting to it at all. And now most pilots

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01:53:58.680 --> 01:54:01.319
<v Speaker 2>are usually using their radar right like to be able

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01:54:01.359 --> 01:54:03.359
<v Speaker 2>to steer the plane. They're not even really looking out

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01:54:03.399 --> 01:54:03.760
<v Speaker 2>the window.

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01:54:03.800 --> 01:54:06.720
<v Speaker 4>I don't think, right, I mean, it depends.

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01:54:07.079 --> 01:54:09.880
<v Speaker 3>If it's during the daylight maybe, but not after a

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01:54:09.880 --> 01:54:12.479
<v Speaker 3>certain point. You're usually using your window to tell like

2081
01:54:12.560 --> 01:54:15.399
<v Speaker 3>your orientation as are coming into the runway or something,

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01:54:15.520 --> 01:54:18.800
<v Speaker 3>or if there's possibly something in the sky you're trying

2083
01:54:18.840 --> 01:54:20.680
<v Speaker 3>to avoid, which is rare because you could see it

2084
01:54:20.760 --> 01:54:23.000
<v Speaker 3>on radar far sooner than you could see it with

2085
01:54:23.039 --> 01:54:27.119
<v Speaker 3>your eyes. But especially at night, you are primarily flying

2086
01:54:27.159 --> 01:54:29.359
<v Speaker 3>off of your equipment rather than your eyesight.

2087
01:54:30.199 --> 01:54:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Right, And this was at a thirty at night, so

2088
01:54:32.560 --> 01:54:37.079
<v Speaker 2>it was dark. Yeah, but yeah, so the jet continued

2089
01:54:37.079 --> 01:54:41.840
<v Speaker 2>It's it's descent undisturbed as if neither the pilot nor

2090
01:54:41.920 --> 01:54:46.159
<v Speaker 2>the aircraft systems detected the enormous object below, so it

2091
01:54:46.199 --> 01:54:49.600
<v Speaker 2>was above the V shape. So that just goes to

2092
01:54:49.680 --> 01:54:53.359
<v Speaker 2>show that, like, it was pretty damn low. I mean,

2093
01:54:53.399 --> 01:54:56.079
<v Speaker 2>the seven thirty seven is usually flying at what like

2094
01:54:56.119 --> 01:54:58.000
<v Speaker 2>thirty thousand feet or something like that. I don't know

2095
01:54:58.000 --> 01:54:59.720
<v Speaker 2>if it was descending or going up. It was in

2096
01:54:59.720 --> 01:55:02.239
<v Speaker 2>the feet area, so maybe it was just taken off,

2097
01:55:02.239 --> 01:55:04.600
<v Speaker 2>but even still, at most it was thirty thousand feet

2098
01:55:04.640 --> 01:55:07.319
<v Speaker 2>in the air, and it was above the UFO itself.

2099
01:55:08.239 --> 01:55:09.840
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, so just.

2100
01:55:09.800 --> 01:55:13.760
<v Speaker 2>Want to count that out right, right. The couple stood

2101
01:55:13.760 --> 01:55:17.600
<v Speaker 2>in awe watching the silent, slow moving craft disappear into

2102
01:55:17.600 --> 01:55:21.039
<v Speaker 2>the distance. The experience left them deeply shaken and puzzled,

2103
01:55:21.079 --> 01:55:25.800
<v Speaker 2>as the mysterious object defied any conventional explanation. Fortson strongly

2104
01:55:25.840 --> 01:55:29.920
<v Speaker 2>rejected the official explanation offered later, which attributed the phenomena

2105
01:55:30.000 --> 01:55:34.159
<v Speaker 2>to military flares dropping during training exercises. He maintained that

2106
01:55:34.199 --> 01:55:37.800
<v Speaker 2>what he saw was not flares or lights behaving independently,

2107
01:55:38.039 --> 01:55:41.720
<v Speaker 2>but a structured craft with advanced technology far beyond anything

2108
01:55:41.800 --> 01:55:47.680
<v Speaker 2>known to humanity at the time. Yeah, yeah, buddy. The

2109
01:55:47.720 --> 01:55:51.000
<v Speaker 2>sighting left a lasting impression on Fortson, who described it

2110
01:55:51.079 --> 01:55:55.159
<v Speaker 2>as an extraordinary and life changing event. His consistent and

2111
01:55:55.239 --> 01:55:58.119
<v Speaker 2>detailed testimony remains one of the most credible accounts of

2112
01:55:58.119 --> 01:56:01.399
<v Speaker 2>the Phoenix Lights event, aligning closely with the experience of

2113
01:56:01.479 --> 01:56:05.720
<v Speaker 2>many other witnesses that night. Then, of course you have

2114
01:56:06.119 --> 01:56:08.439
<v Speaker 2>your boy Mitch Stanley, the twenty one year old, which

2115
01:56:08.479 --> 01:56:11.479
<v Speaker 2>we had talked about a little bit earlier, but let's

2116
01:56:11.520 --> 01:56:14.960
<v Speaker 2>just this is a little bit more detailed. So Mitch Stanley,

2117
01:56:15.000 --> 01:56:18.159
<v Speaker 2>a twenty one year old amateur astronomer from Phoenix, observed

2118
01:56:18.159 --> 01:56:20.159
<v Speaker 2>the lights through a powerful telescope on the night of

2119
01:56:20.159 --> 01:56:24.199
<v Speaker 2>March thirteenth. According to Stanley, what he saw were not

2120
01:56:24.399 --> 01:56:27.079
<v Speaker 2>alien craft, but rather a formation of planes flying in

2121
01:56:27.119 --> 01:56:30.279
<v Speaker 2>a V shaped pattern. Stanley said that through his telescope,

2122
01:56:30.279 --> 01:56:32.680
<v Speaker 2>the lights appeared to be attached to planes with visible

2123
01:56:32.760 --> 01:56:37.000
<v Speaker 2>wings and engines. He reported that what appeared too many

2124
01:56:37.079 --> 01:56:39.760
<v Speaker 2>as a single large V shaped object was actually a

2125
01:56:39.800 --> 01:56:43.600
<v Speaker 2>formation of into individual airplanes. Through his telescope, Stanley could

2126
01:56:43.640 --> 01:56:46.640
<v Speaker 2>clearly see that each light was paired positioned on the

2127
01:56:46.680 --> 01:56:49.920
<v Speaker 2>squarish wings of each aircraft. He noted that the planes

2128
01:56:49.960 --> 01:56:53.399
<v Speaker 2>seemed small, similar to light private planes, and observed them

2129
01:56:53.439 --> 01:56:56.279
<v Speaker 2>for about a minute before turning his attention elsewhere. His

2130
01:56:56.359 --> 01:56:59.359
<v Speaker 2>testimony is often cited by skeptics as evidence that the

2131
01:56:59.359 --> 01:57:03.239
<v Speaker 2>Phoenix light may have had conventional explanation, although his view

2132
01:57:03.319 --> 01:57:07.319
<v Speaker 2>was not corroborated by others who witnessed the event without magnification.

2133
01:57:07.680 --> 01:57:10.920
<v Speaker 2>His claim, however, mostly relates to the early sightings and

2134
01:57:11.000 --> 01:57:13.319
<v Speaker 2>not the stationary light scene later that night. So he

2135
01:57:13.399 --> 01:57:15.960
<v Speaker 2>was seeing the eight thirty one, not the ten o'clock one.

2136
01:57:16.000 --> 01:57:19.520
<v Speaker 2>But even still, he's the only person to say that,

2137
01:57:20.000 --> 01:57:24.359
<v Speaker 2>and his testimony is blasted everywhere else over everybody else's explanation.

2138
01:57:25.720 --> 01:57:31.319
<v Speaker 2>Explain that I out loud that wow makes no sense.

2139
01:57:32.520 --> 01:57:36.039
<v Speaker 2>Then there's the flare explanation that says. The US Air Force,

2140
01:57:36.079 --> 01:57:39.319
<v Speaker 2>after several months of public speculation, eventually stated that the

2141
01:57:39.399 --> 01:57:42.319
<v Speaker 2>light scene in the latter part of that night, particularly

2142
01:57:42.439 --> 01:57:46.000
<v Speaker 2>those hovering over Phoenix, were flares dropped by military aircraft

2143
01:57:46.079 --> 01:57:49.960
<v Speaker 2>during a training exercise. The training exercise took place at

2144
01:57:50.000 --> 01:57:53.399
<v Speaker 2>the Baryam Goldwater Range, a large military bombing range southwest

2145
01:57:53.439 --> 01:57:55.920
<v Speaker 2>of Phoenix. The flares, according to the Air Force, were

2146
01:57:56.000 --> 01:57:59.039
<v Speaker 2>dropped by a ten Wardhog aircraft from the Maryland Air

2147
01:57:59.159 --> 01:58:02.640
<v Speaker 2>National Guards one hundred and fourth Fighter squadron. The flares

2148
01:58:02.640 --> 01:58:04.880
<v Speaker 2>were part of a routine training mission, were dropped at

2149
01:58:04.880 --> 01:58:07.960
<v Speaker 2>a high, high altitude over the range, which is approximately

2150
01:58:08.039 --> 01:58:12.399
<v Speaker 2>eighty miles from Phoenix. The explanation suggested that atmosphere condition

2151
01:58:12.600 --> 01:58:15.159
<v Speaker 2>cause the lights from the flares to be visible over

2152
01:58:15.199 --> 01:58:20.680
<v Speaker 2>such a long distance and appear stationary to observers. I

2153
01:58:20.680 --> 01:58:22.119
<v Speaker 2>don't buy it. I don't buy it.

2154
01:58:22.800 --> 01:58:24.960
<v Speaker 3>I don't buy it at all, especially as people are

2155
01:58:25.000 --> 01:58:29.319
<v Speaker 3>saying that they saw it go from Nevada to Arizona.

2156
01:58:29.920 --> 01:58:35.840
<v Speaker 3>These lights are traversing hundreds of miles. That's not stationary for.

2157
01:58:35.840 --> 01:58:37.159
<v Speaker 2>One hundred and four minutes.

2158
01:58:38.319 --> 01:58:41.720
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's not five minutes like if it was a flare.

2159
01:58:42.119 --> 01:58:45.159
<v Speaker 3>They're not blinking as if it was an aircraft. There's

2160
01:58:45.239 --> 01:58:48.479
<v Speaker 3>and I looked up what kind of experimental aircraft were

2161
01:58:48.520 --> 01:58:51.399
<v Speaker 3>being tested in nineteen ninety seven, and there were a few.

2162
01:58:51.680 --> 01:58:55.680
<v Speaker 3>There absolutely were a few. Nothing that would be doing

2163
01:58:55.760 --> 01:58:58.680
<v Speaker 3>what these were. Nothing that is quiet, nothing that would

2164
01:58:58.720 --> 01:59:01.319
<v Speaker 3>be flying this low, nothing that would have these types

2165
01:59:01.359 --> 01:59:03.840
<v Speaker 3>of lights on them, especially not in the night sky.

2166
01:59:04.159 --> 01:59:07.600
<v Speaker 3>Like none of it checks out with anything that brings

2167
01:59:07.680 --> 01:59:11.319
<v Speaker 3>up any kind of easily explainable human logic.

2168
01:59:11.520 --> 01:59:14.920
<v Speaker 2>And also it says, right there at the very beginning

2169
01:59:14.960 --> 01:59:18.039
<v Speaker 2>that the US Air Force, after several months of public speculation,

2170
01:59:18.239 --> 01:59:21.239
<v Speaker 2>eventually stated that the lights that were seen later that

2171
01:59:21.399 --> 01:59:25.279
<v Speaker 2>night were were flares dropped by military aircraft. Why would

2172
01:59:25.319 --> 01:59:29.079
<v Speaker 2>you need several months to say that it was just flares.

2173
01:59:29.319 --> 01:59:29.920
<v Speaker 2>You could have just.

2174
01:59:29.880 --> 01:59:33.119
<v Speaker 3>Said that if it was a secret training mission, which

2175
01:59:33.119 --> 01:59:37.479
<v Speaker 3>it wasn't. Operation Snowbird happens every year, right, And if

2176
01:59:37.520 --> 01:59:39.840
<v Speaker 3>you were to say that, like, yeah, they deployed their

2177
01:59:39.960 --> 01:59:42.840
<v Speaker 3>flares as a part of the training exercise to make

2178
01:59:42.880 --> 01:59:45.399
<v Speaker 3>sure that equipment is functioning properly, and all the stuff

2179
01:59:46.000 --> 01:59:48.520
<v Speaker 3>that's in the logs, that's and that's not like a

2180
01:59:48.560 --> 01:59:49.199
<v Speaker 3>secret that.

2181
01:59:49.199 --> 01:59:50.840
<v Speaker 4>They would test their flares.

2182
01:59:51.399 --> 01:59:54.159
<v Speaker 3>Why wouldn't they tell like that that's retarded, Like of course,

2183
01:59:54.319 --> 01:59:57.680
<v Speaker 3>if that's something that could be easily explained away, they

2184
01:59:57.680 --> 02:00:00.239
<v Speaker 3>would have come out with that instantly, been like oh, yeah, yeah,

2185
02:00:00.239 --> 02:00:02.920
<v Speaker 3>So look, here's what happened, y'all. There were these planes

2186
02:00:02.960 --> 02:00:05.439
<v Speaker 3>they were flying in this formation. Here were there maybe

2187
02:00:05.439 --> 02:00:07.119
<v Speaker 3>not even their call signs, because you don't want to

2188
02:00:07.159 --> 02:00:09.560
<v Speaker 3>like ouse the pilots, but you would say that these

2189
02:00:09.600 --> 02:00:12.239
<v Speaker 3>were the tail numbers or whatever else in a routine

2190
02:00:12.279 --> 02:00:16.039
<v Speaker 3>training exercise. They did deploy their flares over Phoenix. It

2191
02:00:16.079 --> 02:00:17.880
<v Speaker 3>happened because of this, and this. They could have done

2192
02:00:17.880 --> 02:00:20.159
<v Speaker 3>it in the desert, but at that time, this thing happened,

2193
02:00:20.159 --> 02:00:21.880
<v Speaker 3>and that's why they couldn't do it. So they dropped

2194
02:00:21.880 --> 02:00:23.920
<v Speaker 3>them when they felt it was the best that they could.

2195
02:00:24.640 --> 02:00:26.359
<v Speaker 3>No big deal, like it would have been such an

2196
02:00:26.439 --> 02:00:29.640
<v Speaker 3>easy thing that would have come out within Arguably two

2197
02:00:29.680 --> 02:00:32.920
<v Speaker 3>weeks from the Air Force public relations off the most,

2198
02:00:33.000 --> 02:00:35.880
<v Speaker 3>I would think got the most because again, if and

2199
02:00:35.920 --> 02:00:38.119
<v Speaker 3>the only reason I'm giving two weeks is just to

2200
02:00:38.159 --> 02:00:40.600
<v Speaker 3>make sure that they have all of their documentation and

2201
02:00:40.640 --> 02:00:43.760
<v Speaker 3>the story all lined up. Anytime that there's a military

2202
02:00:43.800 --> 02:00:47.319
<v Speaker 3>exercise going on and people in the local area are like,

2203
02:00:47.359 --> 02:00:49.880
<v Speaker 3>what the hell was that, usually it's only a couple

2204
02:00:49.920 --> 02:00:53.039
<v Speaker 3>of days. But I mean, let's just assume that maybe

2205
02:00:53.119 --> 02:00:56.279
<v Speaker 3>the pro the public relations officer was like out that

2206
02:00:56.359 --> 02:00:59.960
<v Speaker 3>week for you know, a vacation or something or whatever.

2207
02:01:00.039 --> 02:01:03.680
<v Speaker 4>I'm trying to give all leeway here. I'll even say

2208
02:01:03.920 --> 02:01:04.279
<v Speaker 4>up to.

2209
02:01:04.279 --> 02:01:07.000
<v Speaker 3>A month that they would have to where they would

2210
02:01:07.159 --> 02:01:12.479
<v Speaker 3>release a statement clarifying this. But no, none the official narrative, no,

2211
02:01:12.560 --> 02:01:16.039
<v Speaker 3>not several months and the story that they gave checks

2212
02:01:16.079 --> 02:01:17.399
<v Speaker 3>out in zero ways.

2213
02:01:18.000 --> 02:01:21.399
<v Speaker 2>Right, right, it says. While the flare explanation may address

2214
02:01:21.439 --> 02:01:24.199
<v Speaker 2>the lights scene later in the evening, many witnesses and

2215
02:01:24.279 --> 02:01:29.359
<v Speaker 2>researchers have criticized this explanation, particularly regarding the earlier sightings

2216
02:01:29.359 --> 02:01:32.039
<v Speaker 2>of the massive V shaped craft, and here are some

2217
02:01:32.159 --> 02:01:35.880
<v Speaker 2>of the key criticisms the timing. First of all, the

2218
02:01:35.920 --> 02:01:39.119
<v Speaker 2>flare explanation only addresses the light scene at ten PM,

2219
02:01:39.239 --> 02:01:41.520
<v Speaker 2>which were the only ones ever addressed. By the way,

2220
02:01:41.840 --> 02:01:46.279
<v Speaker 2>they never addressed the eight thirty sighting, which was the

2221
02:01:46.319 --> 02:01:47.760
<v Speaker 2>actual V shape formation.

2222
02:01:48.720 --> 02:01:50.159
<v Speaker 4>Right, so the.

2223
02:01:50.039 --> 02:01:52.479
<v Speaker 2>Ones that were seen at ten if it was two

2224
02:01:52.560 --> 02:01:55.319
<v Speaker 2>separate events, they are only describing the one scene at

2225
02:01:55.319 --> 02:01:59.800
<v Speaker 2>ten o'clock, not the earlier one. Why they just swept

2226
02:01:59.800 --> 02:02:02.319
<v Speaker 2>it out under the rug and nobody ever investigated it?

2227
02:02:03.359 --> 02:02:05.479
<v Speaker 4>Wow? Okay, it says.

2228
02:02:05.520 --> 02:02:08.720
<v Speaker 2>However, many witnesses reported seeing the large V shaped craft

2229
02:02:08.800 --> 02:02:11.520
<v Speaker 2>much earlier in the evening, around seven thirty to eight

2230
02:02:11.640 --> 02:02:15.399
<v Speaker 2>thirty PM, long before the flares were reportedly even dropped.

2231
02:02:15.680 --> 02:02:18.880
<v Speaker 2>These earlier sightings involved a structured object that blocked out

2232
02:02:18.880 --> 02:02:21.640
<v Speaker 2>stars and moved slowly and silently over a large area.

2233
02:02:21.960 --> 02:02:24.720
<v Speaker 2>The flare explanation does not account for this part of

2234
02:02:24.760 --> 02:02:29.439
<v Speaker 2>the of the event. Then, it says, flares typically drift

2235
02:02:29.520 --> 02:02:32.159
<v Speaker 2>and fall, whereas the lights seen earlier in the evening

2236
02:02:32.159 --> 02:02:35.319
<v Speaker 2>were described by witnesses as moving in a structured formation,

2237
02:02:35.760 --> 02:02:39.600
<v Speaker 2>sometimes at low altitudes across the state of Arizona. Many

2238
02:02:39.640 --> 02:02:42.399
<v Speaker 2>witnesses reported that the lights were attached to a solid,

2239
02:02:42.560 --> 02:02:45.800
<v Speaker 2>massive craft, and some even stated that they could see

2240
02:02:45.840 --> 02:02:48.600
<v Speaker 2>a dark shape blocking out the stars as the object

2241
02:02:48.600 --> 02:02:52.439
<v Speaker 2>passed overhead. Flares would not exhibit this kind of behavior.

2242
02:02:53.560 --> 02:02:56.439
<v Speaker 2>Then we get to the sound, says. Witnesses also noted

2243
02:02:56.439 --> 02:02:59.199
<v Speaker 2>that the lights or object that they saw made little

2244
02:02:59.239 --> 02:03:02.560
<v Speaker 2>to no noise. Flare's dropped by military aircraft would be

2245
02:03:02.560 --> 02:03:05.760
<v Speaker 2>accompanied by the sound of planes, Yet many witnesses described

2246
02:03:05.800 --> 02:03:10.920
<v Speaker 2>the event as eerily silent. Usually the sound whenever anybody

2247
02:03:11.000 --> 02:03:15.439
<v Speaker 2>sees a UFO, it's always crazy silent. And me and

2248
02:03:15.479 --> 02:03:19.319
<v Speaker 2>Seawan actually saw a UFO. I don't know what it was,

2249
02:03:19.640 --> 02:03:22.920
<v Speaker 2>but we saw UFO in Phoenix where he was living

2250
02:03:22.960 --> 02:03:26.800
<v Speaker 2>at the time, Owen Glendelle, basically Phoenix, I don't know,

2251
02:03:26.800 --> 02:03:28.680
<v Speaker 2>it was like ten years ago, fifteen years ago or

2252
02:03:28.720 --> 02:03:31.399
<v Speaker 2>something like that. And Shawn's a big boy bro like,

2253
02:03:31.439 --> 02:03:34.960
<v Speaker 2>Shawn's like six', three you, know a massive, guy, Right,

2254
02:03:35.079 --> 02:03:38.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah and big fluffy teddy. Bear this guy fucking saw

2255
02:03:38.840 --> 02:03:42.600
<v Speaker 2>it and sprinted faster than any big Man i've ever

2256
02:03:42.640 --> 02:03:46.199
<v Speaker 2>seen trying to chase these these THIS. Ufo, right but

2257
02:03:46.319 --> 02:03:49.119
<v Speaker 2>that whole, time, dude it felt like we were in

2258
02:03:49.239 --> 02:03:53.520
<v Speaker 2>The Truman. Show like it was so silent and and

2259
02:03:54.000 --> 02:03:55.039
<v Speaker 2>other people were coming out.

2260
02:03:55.079 --> 02:03:55.279
<v Speaker 4>Too.

2261
02:03:55.479 --> 02:03:58.479
<v Speaker 2>Dude you couldn't hear any, bugs you couldn't hear any.

2262
02:03:58.560 --> 02:04:01.479
<v Speaker 2>Planes there was no sound to the wind or anything like.

2263
02:04:01.520 --> 02:04:04.000
<v Speaker 2>That and this is what most people say ABOUT ufo

2264
02:04:04.079 --> 02:04:07.920
<v Speaker 2>sightings is that it is so silent it's almost creepy every.

2265
02:04:07.920 --> 02:04:10.279
<v Speaker 4>Time, yeah the desert's like.

2266
02:04:10.319 --> 02:04:13.640
<v Speaker 2>That desert be like, That but even the slightest bit

2267
02:04:13.680 --> 02:04:15.800
<v Speaker 2>of wind is gonna make a, sound you know What i'm.

2268
02:04:15.800 --> 02:04:19.439
<v Speaker 3>Saying so sound travels in the desert at, night, dude

2269
02:04:19.479 --> 02:04:22.000
<v Speaker 3>there's no, way right that one report that that family

2270
02:04:22.039 --> 02:04:25.359
<v Speaker 3>said they can hear an engine for miles away as

2271
02:04:25.359 --> 02:04:27.359
<v Speaker 3>it's driving up the road before they can ever see it.

2272
02:04:27.439 --> 02:04:30.079
<v Speaker 4>Go that's real. Life that is how sound works in the,

2273
02:04:30.079 --> 02:04:31.560
<v Speaker 4>desert especially at. Night.

2274
02:04:32.279 --> 02:04:37.399
<v Speaker 2>One so it, says, yeah the lights are object that

2275
02:04:37.399 --> 02:04:40.319
<v Speaker 2>they saw made little to no. Sound flares dropped by

2276
02:04:40.359 --> 02:04:42.600
<v Speaker 2>military aircraft would be accompanied by the sound of, planes

2277
02:04:42.640 --> 02:04:45.199
<v Speaker 2>yet many witnesses described it as early. Silent this is

2278
02:04:45.279 --> 02:04:48.359
<v Speaker 2>particularly notable given the sheer size of the object reported by.

2279
02:04:48.399 --> 02:04:51.399
<v Speaker 2>Many then there's the shape in the, structure says THE

2280
02:04:51.479 --> 02:04:54.239
<v Speaker 2>v shape formation of lights seen earlier in the night

2281
02:04:54.359 --> 02:04:57.479
<v Speaker 2>was described as a solid craft by. Many some witnesses

2282
02:04:57.520 --> 02:05:01.800
<v Speaker 2>reported seeing a distinct triangular or boom range shaped. Object in,

2283
02:05:01.920 --> 02:05:05.560
<v Speaker 2>contrast flares are individual points of light with no connection

2284
02:05:05.720 --> 02:05:09.439
<v Speaker 2>to a larger. Structure the flare explanation doesn't account for

2285
02:05:09.520 --> 02:05:13.560
<v Speaker 2>this part of the. Sighting then there's the duration within

2286
02:05:13.680 --> 02:05:16.880
<v Speaker 2>flare Or while flares can remain visible for several, minutes

2287
02:05:17.079 --> 02:05:21.520
<v Speaker 2>they would not remain stationary for the prolonged periods described by.

2288
02:05:21.560 --> 02:05:24.640
<v Speaker 2>Witnesses the lights observed later in the evening seemed to

2289
02:05:24.720 --> 02:05:27.720
<v Speaker 2>hover in place for an extended period of time before,

2290
02:05:27.720 --> 02:05:32.720
<v Speaker 2>disappearing which some argue is inconsistent with the behavior of drifting.

2291
02:05:32.760 --> 02:05:38.239
<v Speaker 2>Flares sounds about. Right then there's the witness. Credibility many,

2292
02:05:38.279 --> 02:05:42.560
<v Speaker 2>witnesses including trained military, personnel law enforcement, officers and civilian,

2293
02:05:42.600 --> 02:05:47.760
<v Speaker 2>pilots rejected the flare. Explanation these individuals were experienced in

2294
02:05:47.840 --> 02:05:51.600
<v Speaker 2>identifying aircraft and other aerial, phenomena and they argued that

2295
02:05:51.680 --> 02:05:54.760
<v Speaker 2>what they saw was not consistent with military. Flares the

2296
02:05:54.800 --> 02:05:58.479
<v Speaker 2>flare explanation provided by THE us military has been accepted

2297
02:05:58.520 --> 02:06:01.079
<v Speaker 2>by some as a plausible explanation for the second side

2298
02:06:01.079 --> 02:06:03.560
<v Speaker 2>of lights seen around ten. Pm, however it does not

2299
02:06:03.600 --> 02:06:05.880
<v Speaker 2>account for the earlier sightings of the LARGE v shaped

2300
02:06:05.880 --> 02:06:09.680
<v Speaker 2>craft seen by many witnesses Across, arizona which remains unexplained

2301
02:06:09.720 --> 02:06:13.039
<v Speaker 2>to this. Day skeptics argue that the flare explanation covers

2302
02:06:13.119 --> 02:06:16.319
<v Speaker 2>part of the, event but believers in the extraterrestrial hypothesis

2303
02:06:16.439 --> 02:06:20.000
<v Speaker 2>viewed as a partial or dismissive explanation that doesn't address

2304
02:06:20.039 --> 02:06:22.359
<v Speaker 2>the more extraordinary aspects of the sightings earlier in the.

2305
02:06:22.399 --> 02:06:26.479
<v Speaker 2>Evening this has led to continued debate and speculation over

2306
02:06:26.520 --> 02:06:28.880
<v Speaker 2>what really occurred in the skies Over arizona on the

2307
02:06:28.960 --> 02:06:34.560
<v Speaker 2>night Of april Or march, thirteenth nineteen ninety. Seven the

2308
02:06:34.600 --> 02:06:37.399
<v Speaker 2>most popular theory AMONG ufo believers is that The phoenix

2309
02:06:37.479 --> 02:06:42.079
<v Speaker 2>lights represented a massive extraterrestrial. Spacecraft the, size the, shape

2310
02:06:42.119 --> 02:06:45.479
<v Speaker 2>and behavior of the, object combined with the military's inability

2311
02:06:45.520 --> 02:06:48.640
<v Speaker 2>to offer a clear explanation for the era for the earlier,

2312
02:06:48.720 --> 02:06:52.479
<v Speaker 2>sighting may have led many to believe that it was

2313
02:06:52.560 --> 02:06:56.199
<v Speaker 2>not of human. Origin some skeptics AND ufo researchers suggest

2314
02:06:56.279 --> 02:06:59.880
<v Speaker 2>that the object might have been an experimental, aircraft possibly

2315
02:07:00.000 --> 02:07:03.800
<v Speaker 2>a prototype for a larger stealth, aircraft or a classified military.

2316
02:07:03.840 --> 02:07:07.720
<v Speaker 2>Project the lack of sound and the advanced flight characteristics

2317
02:07:07.760 --> 02:07:09.960
<v Speaker 2>of the object have led some to speculate that it

2318
02:07:10.000 --> 02:07:14.760
<v Speaker 2>was a government project being tested in. Secret not very

2319
02:07:14.840 --> 02:07:17.880
<v Speaker 2>well not a very well kept. Secret i'll say it's.

2320
02:07:17.960 --> 02:07:20.119
<v Speaker 3>Not and again WHEN i looked it, up AND i

2321
02:07:20.239 --> 02:07:23.520
<v Speaker 3>understand not everything that was being done secretly in ninety

2322
02:07:23.560 --> 02:07:26.479
<v Speaker 3>seven is open to the public right. NOW i fully

2323
02:07:26.560 --> 02:07:31.840
<v Speaker 3>understand that we are talking about damn near twenty years,

2324
02:07:31.880 --> 02:07:35.000
<v Speaker 3>after thirty years after the, fact as of time. RECORDING

2325
02:07:35.640 --> 02:07:38.119
<v Speaker 3>a lot of the things that were being experimented on

2326
02:07:38.319 --> 02:07:42.800
<v Speaker 3>in the nineties are open source these. Days right that being,

2327
02:07:42.880 --> 02:07:46.319
<v Speaker 3>said everything THAT i saw that they were testing in ninety,

2328
02:07:46.359 --> 02:07:48.359
<v Speaker 3>seven AND i didn't even see what they were testing

2329
02:07:48.359 --> 02:07:51.680
<v Speaker 3>in The Arizona desert at that, time just air platforms

2330
02:07:51.800 --> 02:07:55.399
<v Speaker 3>of military significance that they were testing in ninety. Seven

2331
02:07:56.199 --> 02:07:59.359
<v Speaker 3>none of them would do what these things are, doing,

2332
02:07:59.760 --> 02:08:01.640
<v Speaker 3>Right and you could even make the argument of a

2333
02:08:02.640 --> 02:08:05.560
<v Speaker 3>like maybe even a predator drone or the earlier form

2334
02:08:05.600 --> 02:08:10.279
<v Speaker 3>of a predator drone that doesn't do. This they are not,

2335
02:08:10.439 --> 02:08:13.840
<v Speaker 3>silent they don't fly that load to the ground and

2336
02:08:13.880 --> 02:08:15.760
<v Speaker 3>you can't hear. Them they don't have a light like,

2337
02:08:15.800 --> 02:08:18.359
<v Speaker 3>this and that if that is, true that completely negates

2338
02:08:18.359 --> 02:08:22.079
<v Speaker 3>the entire the flare conversation that they keep going on

2339
02:08:22.119 --> 02:08:22.399
<v Speaker 3>and on.

2340
02:08:22.439 --> 02:08:23.560
<v Speaker 4>About it's, no.

2341
02:08:24.439 --> 02:08:28.079
<v Speaker 2>Yeah i'm, sorry it just doesn't work that. Way, so,

2342
02:08:29.560 --> 02:08:33.319
<v Speaker 2>okay now we get to the men in black in

2343
02:08:33.359 --> 02:08:37.039
<v Speaker 2>the missing. Tape, okay so one of the strangest subplots

2344
02:08:37.079 --> 02:08:40.640
<v Speaker 2>in the is the men in black. Story rumors circulated

2345
02:08:40.680 --> 02:08:43.399
<v Speaker 2>that original close up footage of The phoenix lights was.

2346
02:08:43.439 --> 02:08:48.359
<v Speaker 2>Confiscated witnesses claim that government's government agents visited people who

2347
02:08:48.399 --> 02:08:53.600
<v Speaker 2>filmed the, event demanding the. Tapes Village labs insiders reported

2348
02:08:53.640 --> 02:08:58.199
<v Speaker 2>mysterious men showing up and quote unquote losing key evidence

2349
02:08:58.920 --> 02:09:02.000
<v Speaker 2>was critical proof of the craft erase from. History so

2350
02:09:02.039 --> 02:09:08.319
<v Speaker 2>now we're going to get to that, testimony and here we,

2351
02:09:08.399 --> 02:09:11.319
<v Speaker 2>go the men in. Black this is this is actually

2352
02:09:11.359 --> 02:09:16.199
<v Speaker 2>reported on the news By Fox, Local Fox Channel, News fox.

2353
02:09:16.279 --> 02:09:21.119
<v Speaker 2>Ten this was By Richard, curtis the guy that the

2354
02:09:21.159 --> 02:09:24.439
<v Speaker 2>guy that allegedly had the clear documented evidence that it

2355
02:09:24.520 --> 02:09:29.600
<v Speaker 2>was actually an, aircraft and eventually the tapes went, missing

2356
02:09:29.680 --> 02:09:31.279
<v Speaker 2>and so did he as a result of The men In.

2357
02:09:31.319 --> 02:09:34.359
<v Speaker 2>Black let's see the news story on it, two almost

2358
02:09:34.399 --> 02:09:35.279
<v Speaker 2>three minutes.

2359
02:09:38.479 --> 02:09:41.079
<v Speaker 10>First On Fox, tonight The men In black get caught

2360
02:09:41.159 --> 02:09:42.640
<v Speaker 10>up in those strange lights Over.

2361
02:09:42.720 --> 02:09:47.479
<v Speaker 20>PHOENIX ufo investigators now claim that some video of the

2362
02:09:47.600 --> 02:09:51.600
<v Speaker 20>lights has mysteriously, disappeared taken By men In.

2363
02:09:51.680 --> 02:09:52.439
<v Speaker 2>Black No.

2364
02:09:52.560 --> 02:09:56.840
<v Speaker 20>Less Jim shabel tracks down this tale In tonight's Ten.

2365
02:09:56.920 --> 02:10:05.199
<v Speaker 11>Files months after this, sighting there are still many questions

2366
02:10:05.239 --> 02:10:08.720
<v Speaker 11>regarding the strange lights Over. Phoenix is this a solid

2367
02:10:08.760 --> 02:10:12.399
<v Speaker 11>craft or merely lights in an empty? Sky what could

2368
02:10:12.439 --> 02:10:16.720
<v Speaker 11>be the conclusive evidence is now mysteriously. Missing Richard curtis

2369
02:10:16.720 --> 02:10:19.640
<v Speaker 11>claims his home video is proof that this sighting was

2370
02:10:19.680 --> 02:10:23.239
<v Speaker 11>a huge flying, craft and he claims his video shows

2371
02:10:23.239 --> 02:10:25.520
<v Speaker 11>a solid object in the sky passing over his.

2372
02:10:25.600 --> 02:10:28.199
<v Speaker 12>HOME i saw the bottom of. It it went over

2373
02:10:28.239 --> 02:10:31.279
<v Speaker 12>the top Of. Phoenix the lights Of phoenix lit up

2374
02:10:31.319 --> 02:10:34.880
<v Speaker 12>the bottom part of, it and it blocked out the

2375
02:10:35.560 --> 02:10:36.680
<v Speaker 12>clouds and the.

2376
02:10:36.720 --> 02:10:41.079
<v Speaker 11>Stars curtis Calls phoenix Councilwoman barwood to show her the

2377
02:10:41.119 --> 02:10:42.439
<v Speaker 11>footage he had it.

2378
02:10:42.479 --> 02:10:46.039
<v Speaker 6>On these two videotapes and he asked me IF i

2379
02:10:46.039 --> 02:10:48.399
<v Speaker 6>would like, them SO i, said of COURSE i. Would

2380
02:10:48.479 --> 02:10:51.840
<v Speaker 6>could he give me copies of? Them and he said he,

2381
02:10:51.920 --> 02:10:53.359
<v Speaker 6>would AND i told him how to get him to

2382
02:10:53.359 --> 02:10:56.079
<v Speaker 6>my office and to mark im personal and.

2383
02:10:56.079 --> 02:11:03.600
<v Speaker 11>Confidential but Before curtis can Send barwood the, videotapes he's

2384
02:11:03.600 --> 02:11:05.960
<v Speaker 11>paid a visit by two mysterious men in.

2385
02:11:06.039 --> 02:11:10.720
<v Speaker 12>Black they were all addressive black, suits and they had the,

2386
02:11:10.800 --> 02:11:18.000
<v Speaker 12>hat the black hats and, sunglasses and they asked me

2387
02:11:18.039 --> 02:11:18.800
<v Speaker 12>IF i had.

2388
02:11:20.840 --> 02:11:20.880
<v Speaker 8>The?

2389
02:11:22.119 --> 02:11:26.479
<v Speaker 12>Tapes were city councilwoman Bar? Wood AND i, said, yeah

2390
02:11:26.520 --> 02:11:29.479
<v Speaker 12>they're rect laying right, here and they, said, well we

2391
02:11:29.479 --> 02:11:31.319
<v Speaker 12>was taught by to pick them, up AND i, said oh,

2392
02:11:31.359 --> 02:11:33.199
<v Speaker 12>great AND i just handed it to.

2393
02:11:33.279 --> 02:11:34.119
<v Speaker 2>Him they didn't get.

2394
02:11:34.159 --> 02:11:36.359
<v Speaker 6>Them AND i don't have no idea who these two men,

2395
02:11:36.399 --> 02:11:40.279
<v Speaker 6>were SINCE i have just females working in my. Office

2396
02:11:40.920 --> 02:11:43.880
<v Speaker 6>so it's just absolutely puzzling to.

2397
02:11:43.920 --> 02:11:49.920
<v Speaker 11>Me did the tapes ever exist and if, so were

2398
02:11:49.960 --> 02:11:52.560
<v Speaker 11>they proof of more than lights in the? Sky and

2399
02:11:52.600 --> 02:11:55.520
<v Speaker 11>who were the mysterious men in black that allegedly took.

2400
02:11:55.560 --> 02:12:00.880
<v Speaker 12>THEM i think somebody either listening on a phone call

2401
02:12:01.079 --> 02:12:01.880
<v Speaker 12>and one of them.

2402
02:12:01.920 --> 02:12:07.479
<v Speaker 2>TAPES i can't explain. It it's just kind of. Eerie

2403
02:12:07.800 --> 02:12:11.279
<v Speaker 2>the mystery. Continues, okay so.

2404
02:12:11.359 --> 02:12:14.880
<v Speaker 4>He gave him the, original he didn't have time to

2405
02:12:14.880 --> 02:12:15.680
<v Speaker 4>make a, copy.

2406
02:12:15.760 --> 02:12:18.920
<v Speaker 2>Dude and there's more to. It so the men in

2407
02:12:18.960 --> 02:12:22.520
<v Speaker 2>black showed up at his door, Said, Hey i'm here

2408
02:12:22.560 --> 02:12:25.800
<v Speaker 2>to pick up the secret tape that you're supposed to

2409
02:12:25.800 --> 02:12:29.159
<v Speaker 2>be given over To councilwoman Bar, wood, right.

2410
02:12:29.159 --> 02:12:31.000
<v Speaker 3>Which means that they knew that there was a tape

2411
02:12:31.000 --> 02:12:33.279
<v Speaker 3>that was supposed to go to, her which means that

2412
02:12:33.279 --> 02:12:34.159
<v Speaker 3>they are listening.

2413
02:12:34.159 --> 02:12:35.359
<v Speaker 4>In they have her office.

2414
02:12:35.399 --> 02:12:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Bugged they specifically asked, Him they, said did you make

2415
02:12:38.960 --> 02:12:40.760
<v Speaker 2>any copies of? It and he, goes, NO i haven't

2416
02:12:40.800 --> 02:12:42.920
<v Speaker 2>had time to do that. Yet they're, like, okay all,

2417
02:12:43.039 --> 02:12:45.239
<v Speaker 2>right that's, fine and then they grab it from him

2418
02:12:45.319 --> 02:12:48.680
<v Speaker 2>and allegedly take it back To. Barmore the problem is

2419
02:12:48.680 --> 02:12:53.279
<v Speaker 2>is That councilwoman Bar moore had no male people working

2420
02:12:53.479 --> 02:12:56.680
<v Speaker 2>her in her. Office she only had females working at her.

2421
02:12:56.720 --> 02:13:03.760
<v Speaker 3>Office, yeah this is that agency that we keep talking

2422
02:13:03.760 --> 02:13:04.800
<v Speaker 3>about on these alien.

2423
02:13:04.840 --> 02:13:05.840
<v Speaker 4>Episodes one thousand.

2424
02:13:05.840 --> 02:13:09.439
<v Speaker 3>Percent but even, still if the conversation was just between

2425
02:13:09.880 --> 02:13:14.640
<v Speaker 3>her and this, guy, right and he was going to

2426
02:13:14.640 --> 02:13:17.319
<v Speaker 3>bring it to her, himself which means that she didn't

2427
02:13:17.319 --> 02:13:18.199
<v Speaker 3>tell anybody in her.

2428
02:13:18.239 --> 02:13:21.000
<v Speaker 4>Office she might have, Said, hey we're expecting a.

2429
02:13:21.039 --> 02:13:22.760
<v Speaker 3>Guy he's going to be dropping off a package for,

2430
02:13:22.840 --> 02:13:24.239
<v Speaker 3>me to make sure it gets right to my office

2431
02:13:24.319 --> 02:13:24.560
<v Speaker 3>kind of.

2432
02:13:24.560 --> 02:13:26.680
<v Speaker 4>Thing she didn't send a runner to go pick this.

2433
02:13:26.800 --> 02:13:28.560
<v Speaker 3>Up she didn't tell him that he was going that

2434
02:13:28.600 --> 02:13:30.520
<v Speaker 3>she was going to do this or anything like. That

2435
02:13:31.079 --> 02:13:33.399
<v Speaker 3>so the only people that knew that there was a

2436
02:13:33.520 --> 02:13:35.800
<v Speaker 3>tape in question that was supposed to be going To

2437
02:13:35.920 --> 02:13:39.079
<v Speaker 3>barwood would have been something just the two people in the,

2438
02:13:39.159 --> 02:13:41.720
<v Speaker 3>room which means that they were listening in.

2439
02:13:42.319 --> 02:13:46.560
<v Speaker 2>Exactly but this isn't the first time that or it's

2440
02:13:46.600 --> 02:13:47.760
<v Speaker 2>not the only. TIME i don't know if it was

2441
02:13:47.760 --> 02:13:49.680
<v Speaker 2>the first time or second, time but it's not the

2442
02:13:49.720 --> 02:13:51.880
<v Speaker 2>only time that the men in black make an. Appearance

2443
02:13:52.960 --> 02:13:58.039
<v Speaker 2>because what's also strange is is that the labs that

2444
02:13:58.039 --> 02:14:01.720
<v Speaker 2>we were talking about earlier and the let me get

2445
02:14:01.760 --> 02:14:06.600
<v Speaker 2>back to over here real. Quick so the who is

2446
02:14:06.640 --> 02:14:09.119
<v Speaker 2>the guy's name? AGAIN i keep on forgetting the damn's?

2447
02:14:09.159 --> 02:14:13.560
<v Speaker 2>Name Jim dilatoso Of Village. Labs, Right Village, labs that's

2448
02:14:13.560 --> 02:14:16.800
<v Speaker 2>the One Village. Labs. Now he had he had a

2449
02:14:16.840 --> 02:14:18.640
<v Speaker 2>whole it was like a whole, office and he had

2450
02:14:18.680 --> 02:14:21.039
<v Speaker 2>a front desk and he had two women working at

2451
02:14:21.039 --> 02:14:21.399
<v Speaker 2>a front.

2452
02:14:21.439 --> 02:14:21.680
<v Speaker 20>Desk.

2453
02:14:21.880 --> 02:14:29.000
<v Speaker 2>Right they have also claims that there were two men

2454
02:14:29.600 --> 02:14:33.199
<v Speaker 2>dressed in all. Black they came in a Black. Cadillac

2455
02:14:33.600 --> 02:14:36.720
<v Speaker 2>they walked in the front door and they were wearing

2456
02:14:36.760 --> 02:14:40.880
<v Speaker 2>all black suits with a black hat and wearing sunglasses. Inside,

2457
02:14:41.239 --> 02:14:45.520
<v Speaker 2>right they claim that they asked For Jim Dila toso

2458
02:14:46.239 --> 02:14:48.199
<v Speaker 2>and to see if he was. There he wasn't there

2459
02:14:48.199 --> 02:14:51.359
<v Speaker 2>on that, day and so they ended up coming, BACK i,

2460
02:14:51.439 --> 02:14:53.960
<v Speaker 2>believe and whenever they came, back they went to go

2461
02:14:54.039 --> 02:14:57.239
<v Speaker 2>talk To Jim. Dilatoso Jim Delo toso calls into The

2462
02:14:57.319 --> 02:14:59.800
<v Speaker 2>Art Bell show and explained this whole, thing this is

2463
02:14:59.840 --> 02:15:02.119
<v Speaker 2>all all around the same period of like a week

2464
02:15:02.399 --> 02:15:06.359
<v Speaker 2>that all this. Happened, Right Jim, delotoso he, goes, UH

2465
02:15:06.399 --> 02:15:08.600
<v Speaker 2>i guess the the the men in black were, like,

2466
02:15:08.800 --> 02:15:10.279
<v Speaker 2>hey we want to see if you have any more

2467
02:15:10.279 --> 02:15:13.079
<v Speaker 2>footage Because Village labs was doing the most amount of

2468
02:15:13.119 --> 02:15:16.960
<v Speaker 2>research on the on The phoenix. Lights, Right Jim delotoso, goes, Uh,

2469
02:15:17.079 --> 02:15:19.640
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i GOT i got a bunch of different tapes

2470
02:15:19.680 --> 02:15:22.279
<v Speaker 2>from you, know a bunch of, eyewitnesses and this is

2471
02:15:22.319 --> 02:15:24.279
<v Speaker 2>this is WHAT i. DO i study these things, right

2472
02:15:24.880 --> 02:15:28.920
<v Speaker 2>and they're like real eerie whenever they're questioning about. Things

2473
02:15:28.960 --> 02:15:31.840
<v Speaker 2>and he, goes, well first, off whose order are you under?

2474
02:15:31.880 --> 02:15:35.880
<v Speaker 2>Here whose order are you coming? From and they answer

2475
02:15:36.079 --> 02:15:38.279
<v Speaker 2>in like a really weird way and they say we're

2476
02:15:38.479 --> 02:15:42.479
<v Speaker 2>we're here under your order and he's, like what the?

2477
02:15:42.520 --> 02:15:46.079
<v Speaker 2>Fuck and Art bell's, like that doesn't make any. Sense

2478
02:15:46.119 --> 02:15:47.880
<v Speaker 2>what do you mean under under your? Order and he,

2479
02:15:47.920 --> 02:15:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Goes i'm JUST i was just as confused as you. Are,

2480
02:15:50.920 --> 02:15:54.319
<v Speaker 2>whenever whenever they said that they got information about, him

2481
02:15:54.359 --> 02:15:56.239
<v Speaker 2>they said that you're on the right track and you're

2482
02:15:56.279 --> 02:15:58.920
<v Speaker 2>doing the right. Thing these two men in, black and

2483
02:15:58.960 --> 02:16:02.039
<v Speaker 2>then they, left never to be seen. Again so you're, like,

2484
02:16:02.199 --> 02:16:05.479
<v Speaker 2>yeah wait a. Second and then that Same jelatoso that

2485
02:16:05.600 --> 02:16:08.359
<v Speaker 2>went on to the documentary THAT i was mentioning, earlier

2486
02:16:08.760 --> 02:16:12.680
<v Speaker 2>of the guy that did the, Documentary Jim, delotoso said

2487
02:16:12.800 --> 02:16:16.079
<v Speaker 2>don't look any deeper into the men in, black like

2488
02:16:16.359 --> 02:16:18.039
<v Speaker 2>so just.

2489
02:16:18.119 --> 02:16:18.840
<v Speaker 4>We're all clear.

2490
02:16:18.920 --> 02:16:24.399
<v Speaker 3>Here doesn't that sound very similar to what our Boy

2491
02:16:24.520 --> 02:16:28.359
<v Speaker 3>paul was told by his, handler that you know, what

2492
02:16:28.399 --> 02:16:30.159
<v Speaker 3>you're on the right, track you're doing the right thing

2493
02:16:30.199 --> 02:16:31.920
<v Speaker 3>and this and, this but, hey don't look into this

2494
02:16:32.000 --> 02:16:32.399
<v Speaker 3>thing any.

2495
02:16:32.440 --> 02:16:36.440
<v Speaker 4>Deeper it sounds very very, similar almost as if they're

2496
02:16:36.479 --> 02:16:39.799
<v Speaker 4>working for a very similar agency reading from the same fucking.

2497
02:16:39.840 --> 02:16:41.200
<v Speaker 4>Pleabook that's What.

2498
02:16:41.159 --> 02:16:44.760
<v Speaker 2>I'm, saying. Dude it's it's just real fucking, strange the

2499
02:16:44.799 --> 02:16:47.319
<v Speaker 2>Whole men In black. Thing and and LIKE i said,

2500
02:16:47.360 --> 02:16:51.120
<v Speaker 2>earlier just like two months, later The men In black,

2501
02:16:51.159 --> 02:16:53.520
<v Speaker 2>movie the first one comes out where there are Two

2502
02:16:53.559 --> 02:16:53.879
<v Speaker 2>men In.

2503
02:16:53.920 --> 02:16:56.680
<v Speaker 3>Black right, now granted they were they were filming For

2504
02:16:56.719 --> 02:16:58.959
<v Speaker 3>The men In black before The Phoenix lights things.

2505
02:16:58.840 --> 02:17:01.479
<v Speaker 4>Had, sure but, guy in that, movie they had to

2506
02:17:01.520 --> 02:17:01.920
<v Speaker 4>do that for.

2507
02:17:01.920 --> 02:17:06.440
<v Speaker 3>Forever but the agency that that movie was based off,

2508
02:17:06.479 --> 02:17:09.239
<v Speaker 3>of that's not just like kind of some of these

2509
02:17:09.239 --> 02:17:11.399
<v Speaker 3>events are based off the true. Story, like, YEAH i

2510
02:17:11.399 --> 02:17:13.639
<v Speaker 3>didn't understand there was comic relief for. Me Will smith

2511
02:17:13.760 --> 02:17:14.319
<v Speaker 3>was in it and all.

2512
02:17:14.360 --> 02:17:15.799
<v Speaker 2>That Tommy Lee, jones.

2513
02:17:15.479 --> 02:17:19.399
<v Speaker 3>That agency absolutely. Exists it's not called The men In.

2514
02:17:19.479 --> 02:17:22.520
<v Speaker 3>Black it's called by another, name some acronym that most

2515
02:17:22.600 --> 02:17:24.120
<v Speaker 3>human beings have never fucking heard.

2516
02:17:24.159 --> 02:17:25.479
<v Speaker 4>Of but, yeah that's a real.

2517
02:17:25.520 --> 02:17:28.879
<v Speaker 2>Thing so this video is actually was put up By Tom,

2518
02:17:28.959 --> 02:17:33.879
<v Speaker 2>king who was one of the eyewitnesses of The Phoenix, lights,

2519
02:17:33.959 --> 02:17:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Right so he's been doing a shitload of, research like

2520
02:17:37.079 --> 02:17:40.120
<v Speaker 2>he's dedicated his whole life to This phoenix life thing

2521
02:17:40.239 --> 02:17:45.719
<v Speaker 2>or A Phoenix lights, thing and he. Says in this

2522
02:17:45.879 --> 02:17:48.799
<v Speaker 2>edition of The Ten, files the team covers the story

2523
02:17:48.799 --> 02:17:51.200
<v Speaker 2>Of Richard curtis and his involvement in The Phoenix lights.

2524
02:17:51.200 --> 02:17:54.959
<v Speaker 2>Case richard reached out To Francis Emma, barwood claiming to

2525
02:17:55.079 --> 02:17:58.399
<v Speaker 2>have recorded the infamous boomerang event at eight THIRTY pm

2526
02:17:58.559 --> 02:18:02.360
<v Speaker 2>using his professional grade camp. Equipment, however not long, after

2527
02:18:02.680 --> 02:18:05.719
<v Speaker 2>two men knocked On richard's door demanding the. Tape without,

2528
02:18:05.719 --> 02:18:10.159
<v Speaker 2>hesitation he handed over the master copy and unfortunately he

2529
02:18:10.239 --> 02:18:14.000
<v Speaker 2>didn't make a. Backup, Later richard Called francis to ask

2530
02:18:14.079 --> 02:18:17.079
<v Speaker 2>if she had received the. Tape she. Hadn't, instead the

2531
02:18:17.159 --> 02:18:21.319
<v Speaker 2>story the story was redirected To Village. Labs according To my,

2532
02:18:21.399 --> 02:18:26.440
<v Speaker 2>sources Doctor Michael. Tanner Michael tanner later Visited richard's home

2533
02:18:26.559 --> 02:18:30.079
<v Speaker 2>and noted that the high end camera equipment scattered throughout his.

2534
02:18:30.159 --> 02:18:34.479
<v Speaker 2>Apartment this marked the second documented instance Of men In

2535
02:18:34.559 --> 02:18:37.840
<v Speaker 2>black involvement in The Phoenix lights, case the first being

2536
02:18:37.920 --> 02:18:40.959
<v Speaker 2>their visit To Village, labs a moment captured in the following.

2537
02:18:41.040 --> 02:18:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Video so we're gonna see that one, Too but all,

2538
02:18:43.399 --> 02:18:45.840
<v Speaker 2>Right so they went To Village labs, first and then

2539
02:18:45.959 --> 02:18:50.920
<v Speaker 2>To Richard curtis's. House it, says now he goes now

2540
02:18:50.920 --> 02:18:53.159
<v Speaker 2>here's my, theory AND i stress it's just a. Theory

2541
02:18:53.440 --> 02:18:57.079
<v Speaker 2>key individuals involved in this, event Particularly Francis Emma, barr

2542
02:18:57.079 --> 02:19:00.520
<v Speaker 2>would likely had their phones tapped by THE. Fbi Richard

2543
02:19:00.600 --> 02:19:04.440
<v Speaker 2>motzer personally told me that THE fbi was targeting, investigators

2544
02:19:04.639 --> 02:19:07.600
<v Speaker 2>warning that they were all going to. Prison it's highly

2545
02:19:07.639 --> 02:19:11.399
<v Speaker 2>probable that federal agencies were monitoring these investigators in real,

2546
02:19:11.479 --> 02:19:15.479
<v Speaker 2>time feeding their findings into a data fusion center for intelligence.

2547
02:19:15.520 --> 02:19:19.399
<v Speaker 2>Analysis if any of them had obtained footage of the massive,

2548
02:19:19.440 --> 02:19:21.319
<v Speaker 2>aircraft THE feds wanted to know.

2549
02:19:21.639 --> 02:19:26.879
<v Speaker 4>Immediately, yep who checks? Out oh, boy all, right he

2550
02:19:27.000 --> 02:19:29.319
<v Speaker 4>checks out to, me, Brother SO, nasa.

2551
02:19:29.879 --> 02:19:34.559
<v Speaker 2>This is the. One let's see, here it. Says fox

2552
02:19:34.639 --> 02:19:37.680
<v Speaker 2>Ten news aired this update Around july of nineteen ninety

2553
02:19:37.719 --> 02:19:41.239
<v Speaker 2>seven on The phoenix, lights WHERE nasa insiders report the

2554
02:19:41.319 --> 02:19:45.479
<v Speaker 2>lights could be from another. Galaxy so nobody can agree

2555
02:19:45.479 --> 02:19:46.200
<v Speaker 2>on what the fuck this.

2556
02:19:46.399 --> 02:19:46.520
<v Speaker 4>Is.

2557
02:19:46.879 --> 02:19:50.879
<v Speaker 3>Right one government agency says it was aeronautic flares From Operation.

2558
02:19:51.040 --> 02:19:54.879
<v Speaker 3>Snowbird another government, AGENCY, nasa says that they could have

2559
02:19:54.879 --> 02:19:55.799
<v Speaker 3>been lights from another.

2560
02:19:55.840 --> 02:20:01.799
<v Speaker 2>Galaxy, yeah, okay all, Right So Jim Tillis Dila toso

2561
02:20:02.200 --> 02:20:05.360
<v Speaker 2>said that some men in black visited him who came

2562
02:20:05.399 --> 02:20:10.600
<v Speaker 2>FROM jpl AND, nasa which would make. Sense the person

2563
02:20:10.719 --> 02:20:14.840
<v Speaker 2>then Handed jim two technical documents on hyper dimensional travel

2564
02:20:14.879 --> 02:20:19.879
<v Speaker 2>written by people within both. Organizations so, yeah LET'S.

2565
02:20:19.959 --> 02:20:24.360
<v Speaker 3>Jps that's What Jet Propulsion. Laboratories, yep, yep. Yep isn't

2566
02:20:24.360 --> 02:20:25.200
<v Speaker 3>That Jack parsons?

2567
02:20:25.239 --> 02:20:27.879
<v Speaker 2>Thing that's, well, Yeah Jack parsons, was you, know one

2568
02:20:27.879 --> 02:20:29.120
<v Speaker 2>of the main guys that started.

2569
02:20:29.120 --> 02:20:30.360
<v Speaker 4>It, yeah, yeah that's.

2570
02:20:30.440 --> 02:20:34.639
<v Speaker 2>Right so, YEAH nasa AND. Jpl that's where he said

2571
02:20:34.639 --> 02:20:38.120
<v Speaker 2>that the men in black came, From, okay which kind

2572
02:20:38.120 --> 02:20:39.479
<v Speaker 2>of makes sense if you think about.

2573
02:20:39.479 --> 02:20:42.040
<v Speaker 3>IT i think that like the men in black quote,

2574
02:20:42.079 --> 02:20:45.879
<v Speaker 3>unquote probably were just refers to like the. Doers you,

2575
02:20:46.000 --> 02:20:48.399
<v Speaker 3>know maybe THE fbi hires him from time to, time

2576
02:20:48.520 --> 02:20:51.159
<v Speaker 3>or THE cia OR nasa or THE atf or.

2577
02:20:51.200 --> 02:20:52.319
<v Speaker 4>Whatever but they're the.

2578
02:20:52.239 --> 02:20:54.600
<v Speaker 3>Guys that give you the nice knock on the door

2579
02:20:54.680 --> 02:20:57.399
<v Speaker 3>before the other guys come in and we have A waco.

2580
02:20:57.520 --> 02:20:59.040
<v Speaker 4>Situation you, KNOW i don't.

2581
02:20:58.799 --> 02:21:00.760
<v Speaker 2>Know these are the contract?

2582
02:21:01.319 --> 02:21:04.879
<v Speaker 3>Exactly what are their? Names smith And? Smith you, know

2583
02:21:04.959 --> 02:21:07.520
<v Speaker 3>where are they? From we're from the, Government we're from

2584
02:21:07.559 --> 02:21:10.479
<v Speaker 3>a you know, agency if you will just kind of

2585
02:21:10.520 --> 02:21:13.239
<v Speaker 3>leave it at that very, vague very open. Ended they

2586
02:21:13.239 --> 02:21:17.600
<v Speaker 3>don't wear any you, know identifying. Markers they dress in

2587
02:21:17.680 --> 02:21:20.319
<v Speaker 3>the very iconic black. SUIT i don't know about the

2588
02:21:20.319 --> 02:21:23.360
<v Speaker 3>for door. Thing that's it's kind of out of. Fashion

2589
02:21:23.559 --> 02:21:24.079
<v Speaker 3>you would.

2590
02:21:23.840 --> 02:21:25.799
<v Speaker 4>Think that they would be a little more, contemporary but

2591
02:21:25.959 --> 02:21:26.799
<v Speaker 4>like all, right.

2592
02:21:26.840 --> 02:21:31.799
<v Speaker 2>Dope, yeah or it's like what's his boy the dude

2593
02:21:31.799 --> 02:21:34.719
<v Speaker 2>off Of transformers when or he's like he's From sector

2594
02:21:34.760 --> 02:21:37.479
<v Speaker 2>seven Or sector. Nine i've never heard of, it nobody. Has,

2595
02:21:38.000 --> 02:21:40.760
<v Speaker 2>yeah it's based off Of sector. Four but that's the.

2596
02:21:40.799 --> 02:21:43.680
<v Speaker 3>Thing it's like IF s four is the classified alien,

2597
02:21:43.719 --> 02:21:45.719
<v Speaker 3>shit like That sector.

2598
02:21:45.479 --> 02:21:49.920
<v Speaker 4>Seven is like ultimate deepness in this it's you, know.

2599
02:21:50.120 --> 02:21:51.559
<v Speaker 3>No matter where you, go it's like saying that you

2600
02:21:51.600 --> 02:21:54.360
<v Speaker 3>have a top secret security. Clearance there is like eight

2601
02:21:54.520 --> 02:21:57.440
<v Speaker 3>levels of security clearances that are above A ts you

2602
02:21:57.440 --> 02:22:00.399
<v Speaker 3>know WHAT i, mean and even still like A, yankee,

2603
02:22:00.559 --> 02:22:03.680
<v Speaker 3>right that means that you have the permission to carry

2604
02:22:03.760 --> 02:22:07.319
<v Speaker 3>a loaded weapon next to the. President that is a security,

2605
02:22:07.319 --> 02:22:11.079
<v Speaker 3>clearance but that is not like a classified information security

2606
02:22:11.120 --> 02:22:13.200
<v Speaker 3>clearance kind of, Thing and there's levels to.

2607
02:22:13.200 --> 02:22:17.440
<v Speaker 2>It, right, Right so this one is another three, minutes

2608
02:22:17.440 --> 02:22:18.680
<v Speaker 2>but let's see this one.

2609
02:22:19.559 --> 02:22:22.920
<v Speaker 20>Siders about the mysterious lights Over phoenix On march. Thirteenth

2610
02:22:22.959 --> 02:22:26.440
<v Speaker 20>among the wild theories that, abound another one tonight to

2611
02:22:26.520 --> 02:22:30.319
<v Speaker 20>shock the imagination. Again SOME nasa insiders are claiming that

2612
02:22:30.399 --> 02:22:34.440
<v Speaker 20>the lights could be from another. Galaxy Jim schnabelt shares

2613
02:22:34.479 --> 02:22:35.600
<v Speaker 20>the cosmic theory with.

2614
02:22:35.680 --> 02:22:40.959
<v Speaker 11>Us it's been four months since the well PUBLICIZED ufo

2615
02:22:41.079 --> 02:22:44.559
<v Speaker 11>sighting Over. Phoenix since, then more, sightings some in the,

2616
02:22:44.639 --> 02:22:46.879
<v Speaker 11>daytime and people are still looking for.

2617
02:22:47.000 --> 02:22:50.280
<v Speaker 21>Answers the entire world is Watching arizona right now since

2618
02:22:50.280 --> 02:22:54.639
<v Speaker 21>it's THE ufo. Hotspot they're watching what happens, next and

2619
02:22:54.680 --> 02:22:55.040
<v Speaker 21>so are.

2620
02:22:55.079 --> 02:22:58.319
<v Speaker 11>We some believe the lights were, flares some believe they

2621
02:22:58.319 --> 02:23:01.959
<v Speaker 11>were a secret military, aircraft and others believe they were space.

2622
02:23:02.000 --> 02:23:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Ships but now.

2623
02:23:03.079 --> 02:23:06.479
<v Speaker 11>A new theory emerges concerning the origins of the mysterious

2624
02:23:06.559 --> 02:23:07.000
<v Speaker 11>lights Over.

2625
02:23:07.040 --> 02:23:08.200
<v Speaker 2>Phoenix it's a.

2626
02:23:08.159 --> 02:23:11.520
<v Speaker 11>Theory that supposedly our own government has knowledge, of and

2627
02:23:11.559 --> 02:23:14.760
<v Speaker 11>it's a theory of mysterious balls of light Visiting earth

2628
02:23:14.760 --> 02:23:15.440
<v Speaker 11>from distant.

2629
02:23:15.479 --> 02:23:20.079
<v Speaker 21>GALAXIES i think it's very interesting THAT nasa has THE

2630
02:23:20.200 --> 02:23:25.760
<v Speaker 21>nasa personnel have the courage to circulate documents like.

2631
02:23:25.840 --> 02:23:28.760
<v Speaker 11>This delatoso claims he was paid a visit by the

2632
02:23:28.760 --> 02:23:31.799
<v Speaker 11>real men in black men affiliated with The Jet Propulsion

2633
02:23:31.920 --> 02:23:35.760
<v Speaker 11>laboratory AND. Nasa The Space agency may be interested IN

2634
02:23:35.879 --> 02:23:39.360
<v Speaker 11>UFOs because of RECENT ufo sightings from The Space. Shuttle

2635
02:23:39.879 --> 02:23:43.239
<v Speaker 11>this video OF UFOs is FROM sts, eighty A shuttle

2636
02:23:43.239 --> 02:23:46.959
<v Speaker 11>flight Last. December the flashes are lightning Over africa and

2637
02:23:47.079 --> 02:23:49.920
<v Speaker 11>you can see an occasional meteor whiz, By but soon

2638
02:23:50.040 --> 02:23:53.639
<v Speaker 11>strange balls of light appear entering The earth's, atmosphere and

2639
02:23:53.760 --> 02:23:57.200
<v Speaker 11>Other shuttle missions have made similar. Sightings could these be

2640
02:23:57.360 --> 02:23:59.319
<v Speaker 11>similar to the balls of light seen Over?

2641
02:23:59.399 --> 02:24:02.319
<v Speaker 21>Phoenix so this gentleman comes to visit me one, day

2642
02:24:03.479 --> 02:24:07.079
<v Speaker 21>has a badge on with just his picture and a

2643
02:24:07.120 --> 02:24:12.079
<v Speaker 21>logo from a local government contractor THAT i, recognized and

2644
02:24:12.120 --> 02:24:13.159
<v Speaker 21>SAYS i have these for.

2645
02:24:13.200 --> 02:24:18.000
<v Speaker 11>You he allegedly Gives delatoso two technical documents on hyperdimensional,

2646
02:24:18.120 --> 02:24:21.959
<v Speaker 11>travel written by one of NASA's top. Scientists the papers

2647
02:24:22.000 --> 02:24:24.879
<v Speaker 11>describe how in quantum, theory it would be possible to

2648
02:24:24.920 --> 02:24:28.079
<v Speaker 11>generate balls of light in a distant galaxy and send

2649
02:24:28.079 --> 02:24:30.719
<v Speaker 11>them hurtling Toward earth faster than the speed of, light

2650
02:24:31.159 --> 02:24:34.079
<v Speaker 11>using tiny black holes in the forces of. Gravity it's

2651
02:24:34.120 --> 02:24:36.840
<v Speaker 11>the Stuff einstein theorized About now.

2652
02:24:36.719 --> 02:24:40.319
<v Speaker 21>We're sitting here In, Phoenix, arizona trying to decide if it's,

2653
02:24:40.440 --> 02:24:46.959
<v Speaker 21>flares and we HAVE nasa in a select group inside

2654
02:24:46.959 --> 02:24:54.360
<v Speaker 21>OF nasa theorizing that it is a collective consciousness transfer of.

2655
02:24:54.440 --> 02:24:59.360
<v Speaker 11>Extraterrestrials months after the sighting In, phoenix no one is

2656
02:24:59.399 --> 02:25:01.639
<v Speaker 11>claiming to, know oh for, sure where the strange lights

2657
02:25:01.680 --> 02:25:05.079
<v Speaker 11>came from or. Why but the intergalactic theory is as

2658
02:25:05.120 --> 02:25:09.159
<v Speaker 11>good as Any Jim, Schnabelt fox Ten, News Thanks.

2659
02:25:09.239 --> 02:25:12.040
<v Speaker 20>Jim the cosmic, Theory, okay.

2660
02:25:12.399 --> 02:25:16.000
<v Speaker 3>So they travel from a distant galaxy faster than the

2661
02:25:16.000 --> 02:25:19.639
<v Speaker 3>speed of, light but then when they get, here they're flying.

2662
02:25:19.319 --> 02:25:20.600
<v Speaker 4>Super low and super.

2663
02:25:20.680 --> 02:25:25.399
<v Speaker 3>SLOW i Don't i'm Not i'm not an expert in

2664
02:25:25.479 --> 02:25:29.280
<v Speaker 3>theoretical physics by any. Means maybe there's scientific reasons why

2665
02:25:29.319 --> 02:25:33.000
<v Speaker 3>that's totally what happened, here, WHATEVER i don't, know but

2666
02:25:33.680 --> 02:25:36.200
<v Speaker 3>that is a very interesting. Theory and you're telling me

2667
02:25:36.239 --> 02:25:42.360
<v Speaker 3>THAT nasa came to this hypothesis in ninety seven, Allegedly, yeah, okay.

2668
02:25:42.600 --> 02:25:46.280
<v Speaker 2>WHICH i thought was very interesting BECAUSE i thought the

2669
02:25:48.040 --> 02:25:50.840
<v Speaker 2>official word was that it was just. Flares then you

2670
02:25:50.879 --> 02:25:55.399
<v Speaker 2>GET nasa saying that it could be fucking conscious light

2671
02:25:55.479 --> 02:25:56.479
<v Speaker 2>balls from another.

2672
02:25:56.600 --> 02:26:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Galaxy and this dude has handed this information from some

2673
02:26:00.639 --> 02:26:04.440
<v Speaker 3>sort of a local government contractor who sent a runner

2674
02:26:04.600 --> 02:26:06.879
<v Speaker 3>to make sure that he got. It they had never

2675
02:26:06.920 --> 02:26:09.559
<v Speaker 3>heard of, email even in ninety, seven the internet was

2676
02:26:09.559 --> 02:26:12.159
<v Speaker 3>a thing in email was at things like all, Right

2677
02:26:12.200 --> 02:26:14.799
<v Speaker 3>apparently it was so super top secret or whatever that

2678
02:26:14.799 --> 02:26:15.200
<v Speaker 3>they had.

2679
02:26:15.120 --> 02:26:17.959
<v Speaker 4>To be hand. CAREERED i don't know what to make of.

2680
02:26:17.959 --> 02:26:22.719
<v Speaker 2>That, yeah, yeah so this is another ONE i. Believe,

2681
02:26:23.239 --> 02:26:27.719
<v Speaker 2>wait this isn't the same, thing is? It, yeah damn it, Is.

2682
02:26:27.799 --> 02:26:29.440
<v Speaker 2>OKAY i don't know why he would put that on

2683
02:26:29.440 --> 02:26:33.079
<v Speaker 2>the show notes. Anyway so, YEAH i, Mean jim says

2684
02:26:33.879 --> 02:26:36.319
<v Speaker 2>that these were The men In black who were REALLY

2685
02:26:36.479 --> 02:26:39.280
<v Speaker 2>nasa workers on their lunch break that crashed in on

2686
02:26:39.319 --> 02:26:44.000
<v Speaker 2>The village labs one afternoon In. July, so, man that

2687
02:26:44.159 --> 02:26:47.440
<v Speaker 2>is really oddly interesting that all of this is going

2688
02:26:47.479 --> 02:26:51.319
<v Speaker 2>down In july of twoth of nineteen ninety, seven the

2689
02:26:51.559 --> 02:26:54.159
<v Speaker 2>same month that The men In black movie comes. Out

2690
02:26:54.479 --> 02:26:56.600
<v Speaker 2>now it's getting even, weirder, right.

2691
02:26:57.600 --> 02:27:00.559
<v Speaker 3>Very much, so very much, So and there's gonna be

2692
02:27:00.600 --> 02:27:04.079
<v Speaker 3>somebody out there to, say, well that's WHY nasa released,

2693
02:27:04.079 --> 02:27:06.000
<v Speaker 3>this and it was on the news as a way

2694
02:27:06.040 --> 02:27:09.680
<v Speaker 3>to drum up more public interest for aliens to low

2695
02:27:09.840 --> 02:27:13.319
<v Speaker 3>key and long, term you, know long, game bring up

2696
02:27:13.360 --> 02:27:16.360
<v Speaker 3>more awareness for. Them and In black, movie obviously that

2697
02:27:16.520 --> 02:27:19.360
<v Speaker 3>was what was happening. Here it's, like, no, no that

2698
02:27:19.360 --> 02:27:20.879
<v Speaker 3>that's clearly not what was going.

2699
02:27:20.920 --> 02:27:21.120
<v Speaker 4>Down.

2700
02:27:21.319 --> 02:27:23.680
<v Speaker 2>Right the First man In black movie was Released july,

2701
02:27:23.879 --> 02:27:26.680
<v Speaker 2>second nineteen ninety. Seven and you know what's another weird

2702
02:27:26.719 --> 02:27:28.840
<v Speaker 2>part about this is that you know you Have Tommy

2703
02:27:28.879 --> 02:27:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Lee jones And Will smith and look out up, here

2704
02:27:31.360 --> 02:27:34.799
<v Speaker 2>Mister jones and Mister. Smith that's the name of the

2705
02:27:34.840 --> 02:27:37.920
<v Speaker 2>two men In. Black like that is that's a strange.

2706
02:27:38.000 --> 02:27:41.639
<v Speaker 3>Coincidence it Is god in the nineties When Will smith

2707
02:27:41.760 --> 02:27:43.159
<v Speaker 3>was like the.

2708
02:27:43.000 --> 02:27:46.719
<v Speaker 2>Guy was fucking man back. THEN i, mean, hell he

2709
02:27:46.920 --> 02:27:47.319
<v Speaker 2>was the.

2710
02:27:47.200 --> 02:27:49.799
<v Speaker 4>Man up until the whole slapping the shit out Of

2711
02:27:49.840 --> 02:27:50.440
<v Speaker 4>Chris rock.

2712
02:27:50.799 --> 02:27:54.239
<v Speaker 3>Conversation he was the. Guy, yeah but he man talk

2713
02:27:54.280 --> 02:27:54.879
<v Speaker 3>about falling.

2714
02:27:54.959 --> 02:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>Off he fell all the way.

2715
02:27:56.719 --> 02:28:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Off, WELL i guess Until jada Fucked they're so friend

2716
02:28:01.200 --> 02:28:04.399
<v Speaker 3>and then lu captaim publicly about.

2717
02:28:04.440 --> 02:28:09.879
<v Speaker 2>It i'm, sorry, dude that's a weird. Relationship to have

2718
02:28:09.959 --> 02:28:13.559
<v Speaker 2>your wife admit that she fucked your son's friend and

2719
02:28:13.680 --> 02:28:15.319
<v Speaker 2>to stay with her after.

2720
02:28:15.360 --> 02:28:19.840
<v Speaker 3>That i'm, like all the things that are, entanglement and

2721
02:28:19.840 --> 02:28:22.600
<v Speaker 3>he's like an entanglement. Huh and then he just sat

2722
02:28:22.639 --> 02:28:25.280
<v Speaker 3>there and you could see him his soul dying as

2723
02:28:25.319 --> 02:28:28.079
<v Speaker 3>she was trying to like justify and give her side

2724
02:28:28.120 --> 02:28:30.959
<v Speaker 3>of the story on their. Podcast it's not like this

2725
02:28:31.120 --> 02:28:33.920
<v Speaker 3>was a married marriage counseling thing or anything like. That,

2726
02:28:34.040 --> 02:28:36.280
<v Speaker 3>no this was what they were making as what they considered,

2727
02:28:36.360 --> 02:28:39.920
<v Speaker 3>content and then staying with her afterwards when she is

2728
02:28:39.959 --> 02:28:44.760
<v Speaker 3>publicly clowning you and emasculating. You and then if you're

2729
02:28:44.760 --> 02:28:47.840
<v Speaker 3>gonna be the beta mail, Cuck, okay every relationship has

2730
02:28:47.879 --> 02:28:48.280
<v Speaker 3>their shit.

2731
02:28:48.360 --> 02:28:49.639
<v Speaker 4>Whatever if that's your, jam then.

2732
02:28:49.639 --> 02:28:52.399
<v Speaker 3>Cool then you're gonna try to be all alpha and

2733
02:28:52.479 --> 02:28:55.479
<v Speaker 3>Slap Chris rock for making a funny joke about her,

2734
02:28:55.520 --> 02:28:58.200
<v Speaker 3>baldness calling Her Gi, Jane, like.

2735
02:28:58.479 --> 02:29:00.600
<v Speaker 4>What the fuck are we talking? About, yeah but, anyway

2736
02:29:00.600 --> 02:29:02.520
<v Speaker 4>we're not going on that. Tangent Will, SMITH.

2737
02:29:02.479 --> 02:29:06.639
<v Speaker 2>I, mean that whole dichotomy is. Strange i've heard conspiratorial

2738
02:29:06.680 --> 02:29:12.319
<v Speaker 2>reports That Will smith has been uh apedo to his,

2739
02:29:12.399 --> 02:29:18.559
<v Speaker 2>son and that's why his son is very. Strange and

2740
02:29:18.600 --> 02:29:19.719
<v Speaker 2>then you're also saying.

2741
02:29:19.559 --> 02:29:21.600
<v Speaker 3>THAT i necessarily believe. IT i could see. IT i

2742
02:29:21.639 --> 02:29:23.680
<v Speaker 3>could see a world in which that is. True BUT

2743
02:29:23.719 --> 02:29:27.079
<v Speaker 3>i also think that whenever you grow up with royalty

2744
02:29:27.200 --> 02:29:31.040
<v Speaker 3>level wealth at a very young, age you're so disassociated

2745
02:29:31.079 --> 02:29:33.799
<v Speaker 3>from what normal people deal with and what reality is

2746
02:29:33.840 --> 02:29:36.000
<v Speaker 3>for so many. PEOPLE i, mean think about his son

2747
02:29:36.079 --> 02:29:38.040
<v Speaker 3>was how old when they did The Karate kid?

2748
02:29:38.079 --> 02:29:38.959
<v Speaker 4>Movie he was like?

2749
02:29:39.040 --> 02:29:40.840
<v Speaker 2>Eight, yeah something like can you.

2750
02:29:40.799 --> 02:29:43.319
<v Speaker 3>Imagine being eight years old and being a multi millionaire

2751
02:29:43.319 --> 02:29:46.639
<v Speaker 3>off of your first? Job, ever like you you don't

2752
02:29:46.680 --> 02:29:49.239
<v Speaker 3>have a sense of reality at that?

2753
02:29:49.360 --> 02:29:50.319
<v Speaker 4>Point uh.

2754
02:29:50.399 --> 02:29:52.479
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i mean it just points to really all child,

2755
02:29:52.520 --> 02:29:57.479
<v Speaker 2>actors they never really come. Out, okay so this is another,

2756
02:29:57.559 --> 02:29:59.680
<v Speaker 2>One this is which?

2757
02:29:59.680 --> 02:29:59.879
<v Speaker 4>One?

2758
02:30:00.159 --> 02:30:03.639
<v Speaker 2>This, oh this is your Girl, LYNN i. Believe and

2759
02:30:03.760 --> 02:30:06.280
<v Speaker 2>she's talking about her. Experience and she's the one that

2760
02:30:06.319 --> 02:30:08.600
<v Speaker 2>wrote the book on The, phoenix on The Phoenix, lights

2761
02:30:08.760 --> 02:30:09.840
<v Speaker 2>one of The it's. Light it was like A New

2762
02:30:09.920 --> 02:30:12.920
<v Speaker 2>York times, bestseller whole. Thing so she's always brought up

2763
02:30:12.920 --> 02:30:15.799
<v Speaker 2>in all The Phoenix lights. Conversations so let's see this.

2764
02:30:15.840 --> 02:30:19.200
<v Speaker 22>One Twelve news at ten back with a story that's

2765
02:30:19.200 --> 02:30:22.440
<v Speaker 22>baffled people In phoenix for more than two. Decades if

2766
02:30:22.479 --> 02:30:25.079
<v Speaker 22>there were iPhones Or twitter back in nineteen ninety, seven

2767
02:30:25.079 --> 02:30:28.040
<v Speaker 22>The Phoenix lights would have been trending for. Weeks it's

2768
02:30:28.079 --> 02:30:31.360
<v Speaker 22>a huge story back then and continues to raise eyebrows

2769
02:30:31.399 --> 02:30:34.520
<v Speaker 22>today as the focal point of a list of documentaries and.

2770
02:30:34.559 --> 02:30:37.600
<v Speaker 22>Books This wednesday marks the twenty second anniversary of the

2771
02:30:37.680 --> 02:30:41.200
<v Speaker 22>lights that were described as everything from extraterrestrial, visitors to

2772
02:30:41.319 --> 02:30:45.520
<v Speaker 22>flare and secret government, aircraft even a hoax. Team, Twelve

2773
02:30:45.559 --> 02:30:48.639
<v Speaker 22>Tricia hendrick spoke with a woman who witnessed and documented

2774
02:30:48.639 --> 02:30:49.040
<v Speaker 22>The Phoenix.

2775
02:30:49.120 --> 02:30:53.799
<v Speaker 23>Lights people were seeing these lights that either seemed to

2776
02:30:53.799 --> 02:30:56.280
<v Speaker 23>be attached to something or had a force field in,

2777
02:30:56.319 --> 02:30:59.239
<v Speaker 23>between because when they looked, up they've blocked out the

2778
02:30:59.280 --> 02:31:00.799
<v Speaker 23>stars in between the.

2779
02:31:00.879 --> 02:31:04.600
<v Speaker 8>Light Doctor Lynn, keytie reflecting on what she saw back

2780
02:31:04.639 --> 02:31:08.799
<v Speaker 8>On march, thirteenth nineteen ninety, seven a string of light

2781
02:31:08.959 --> 02:31:12.799
<v Speaker 8>shaped in A, v hovering above the valley, skies.

2782
02:31:12.399 --> 02:31:14.239
<v Speaker 23>Going through my, MIND i was, thinking who are? You

2783
02:31:14.280 --> 02:31:15.760
<v Speaker 23>what are? You do you know That i'm? Here i'd

2784
02:31:15.799 --> 02:31:16.319
<v Speaker 23>love to meet.

2785
02:31:16.319 --> 02:31:19.959
<v Speaker 8>You for more than two decades, now countless explanations and

2786
02:31:20.000 --> 02:31:22.159
<v Speaker 8>claims have surfaced surrounding what she.

2787
02:31:22.319 --> 02:31:25.000
<v Speaker 23>SAW i got it on thirty five millimeter. Film this

2788
02:31:25.040 --> 02:31:28.280
<v Speaker 23>is in the. Negative it cannot be denied or to,

2789
02:31:28.399 --> 02:31:32.840
<v Speaker 23>date twenty two years later be. Explained we're talking totally

2790
02:31:33.319 --> 02:31:38.559
<v Speaker 23>silent at rooftop, level people watched these phenomena just glide

2791
02:31:38.680 --> 02:31:39.360
<v Speaker 23>right over their.

2792
02:31:39.399 --> 02:31:42.120
<v Speaker 8>Heads authorities have said the lights were flares used by

2793
02:31:42.120 --> 02:31:45.440
<v Speaker 8>The Air National, guard but many still believe this was

2794
02:31:45.479 --> 02:31:47.319
<v Speaker 8>a signal from another life.

2795
02:31:47.319 --> 02:31:50.159
<v Speaker 23>FORM i saw these things up close and. Personal they

2796
02:31:50.200 --> 02:31:50.479
<v Speaker 23>were not.

2797
02:31:50.680 --> 02:31:53.319
<v Speaker 8>Flares the lights in the sky still a mystery to.

2798
02:31:53.440 --> 02:31:56.639
<v Speaker 23>Many some people can't deal with this. Topic some people

2799
02:31:56.680 --> 02:31:57.840
<v Speaker 23>don't want, to and that's.

2800
02:31:57.920 --> 02:31:59.360
<v Speaker 4>Okay lynn's mission is.

2801
02:31:59.399 --> 02:32:02.040
<v Speaker 8>Clear he wants to make sure the world doesn't forget

2802
02:32:02.079 --> 02:32:04.959
<v Speaker 8>The Phoenix. Lights she even wrote a, Book The Phoenix,

2803
02:32:05.120 --> 02:32:08.479
<v Speaker 8>lights and produced an award winning documentary of her sighting

2804
02:32:08.520 --> 02:32:09.079
<v Speaker 8>of floating.

2805
02:32:09.159 --> 02:32:11.000
<v Speaker 23>Orbs and people can make off their own. Mind i'm

2806
02:32:11.000 --> 02:32:14.280
<v Speaker 23>not saying what these are people that have an, experience

2807
02:32:14.639 --> 02:32:19.159
<v Speaker 23>a true paranormal. Experience it's not a, belief it's a.

2808
02:32:19.280 --> 02:32:21.760
<v Speaker 23>Knowing and AS i tell everyone, else keep looking.

2809
02:32:21.840 --> 02:32:24.479
<v Speaker 8>Up if you'd like to watch The Phoenix lights, documentary

2810
02:32:24.559 --> 02:32:28.079
<v Speaker 8>a special screening will take place On march seventeenth at

2811
02:32:28.079 --> 02:32:28.959
<v Speaker 8>The Harkin Shay.

2812
02:32:29.120 --> 02:32:34.479
<v Speaker 2>Theater, okay so interesting, ENOUGH i, mean and this is

2813
02:32:34.479 --> 02:32:37.680
<v Speaker 2>the thing that people are talking about their, experience and

2814
02:32:37.719 --> 02:32:40.200
<v Speaker 2>not everybody says the same. Thing as far as what

2815
02:32:40.319 --> 02:32:45.879
<v Speaker 2>they were experiencing physically or emotionally or. Whatever but the

2816
02:32:45.920 --> 02:32:49.879
<v Speaker 2>next guy that we're going to hear from gets he

2817
02:32:50.360 --> 02:32:53.000
<v Speaker 2>gets pretty deep as far as like it being almost

2818
02:32:53.040 --> 02:32:57.079
<v Speaker 2>a spiritual thing to. Him the volume on this one

2819
02:32:57.159 --> 02:32:59.319
<v Speaker 2>is not very, loud so you might have to turn

2820
02:32:59.399 --> 02:33:01.959
<v Speaker 2>up your your knob in your car or on your

2821
02:33:02.000 --> 02:33:04.639
<v Speaker 2>phone or whatever if you're listening to. This this one's two.

2822
02:33:04.680 --> 02:33:07.440
<v Speaker 2>Minutes this Is David. Parker he was a. Witness he

2823
02:33:07.520 --> 02:33:09.639
<v Speaker 2>was the witness that we talked about earlier that said

2824
02:33:09.680 --> 02:33:13.040
<v Speaker 2>that he saw it flying only thirty feet above his.

2825
02:33:13.120 --> 02:33:15.440
<v Speaker 2>Head so let's see what he has to. Say it's

2826
02:33:15.479 --> 02:33:15.920
<v Speaker 2>two minutes.

2827
02:33:15.959 --> 02:33:19.360
<v Speaker 13>LONG i saw the same. Thing where did you witness?

2828
02:33:19.399 --> 02:33:21.000
<v Speaker 4>It WHERE i was ON i.

2829
02:33:21.159 --> 02:33:22.440
<v Speaker 10>SIXTEEN i was.

2830
02:33:22.479 --> 02:33:23.760
<v Speaker 13>Driving home from work.

2831
02:33:26.879 --> 02:33:31.879
<v Speaker 14>AND i saw this huge boomerang shaped craft flying towards.

2832
02:33:31.920 --> 02:33:41.920
<v Speaker 14>ME i slammed on the, BRAKES.

2833
02:33:46.520 --> 02:33:49.360
<v Speaker 24>I jumped out of my truck as it came up over.

2834
02:33:49.440 --> 02:33:54.120
<v Speaker 24>Me it was about thirty feet over my, head AND

2835
02:33:54.159 --> 02:33:55.680
<v Speaker 24>i remember THINKING i could hit.

2836
02:33:55.559 --> 02:33:59.000
<v Speaker 4>This with a rock thirty Feet david.

2837
02:33:58.879 --> 02:34:03.920
<v Speaker 14>Was paralyzed at the, large IMPOSING ufo flew right above his.

2838
02:34:04.040 --> 02:34:07.600
<v Speaker 13>Head it was a.

2839
02:34:07.399 --> 02:34:11.239
<v Speaker 24>Gunnment of prey and there was like thousands and thousands

2840
02:34:11.239 --> 02:34:12.079
<v Speaker 24>of thumbprints in.

2841
02:34:12.159 --> 02:34:14.879
<v Speaker 2>It it just knew under.

2842
02:34:14.840 --> 02:34:18.200
<v Speaker 24>This huge craft that took up seventy percent of the.

2843
02:34:18.200 --> 02:34:21.479
<v Speaker 24>Horizon so from you being thirty feet under, HAW wii would?

2844
02:34:21.479 --> 02:34:23.559
<v Speaker 4>It my guess was a mile to a mile and

2845
02:34:23.600 --> 02:34:25.840
<v Speaker 4>a half who.

2846
02:34:26.200 --> 02:34:28.680
<v Speaker 13>From tip to? Tip but there was no one else.

2847
02:34:28.719 --> 02:34:31.159
<v Speaker 24>AROUND i looked BECAUSE i wanted to have some validation

2848
02:34:31.319 --> 02:34:34.239
<v Speaker 24>for WHAT i. Saw but the nearest LIGHT i could

2849
02:34:34.280 --> 02:34:39.399
<v Speaker 24>easily see right into.

2850
02:34:37.879 --> 02:34:41.200
<v Speaker 13>And out of that poort what looked Like Lalla.

2851
02:34:42.079 --> 02:34:44.879
<v Speaker 4>And as it poured down about.

2852
02:34:44.319 --> 02:34:47.319
<v Speaker 13>Four to six, feet it, stopped.

2853
02:34:48.319 --> 02:34:50.799
<v Speaker 24>And then it went right back up in and then

2854
02:34:50.879 --> 02:34:51.680
<v Speaker 24>more would come.

2855
02:34:51.760 --> 02:34:53.399
<v Speaker 1>DOWN i remember.

2856
02:34:53.120 --> 02:34:55.120
<v Speaker 24>Thinking i'm going to get burned BECAUSE i was that

2857
02:34:55.239 --> 02:34:58.440
<v Speaker 24>close to. It but there was no heat and there

2858
02:34:58.479 --> 02:34:58.879
<v Speaker 24>was no.

2859
02:34:58.920 --> 02:34:59.719
<v Speaker 13>Sound.

2860
02:35:01.680 --> 02:35:04.159
<v Speaker 24>AND i stood there and as it passed, by AND

2861
02:35:04.200 --> 02:35:06.760
<v Speaker 24>i watched, it AND i was, LIKE i just started.

2862
02:35:06.840 --> 02:35:14.879
<v Speaker 24>Crying it was, overwhelming and that has stuck with me

2863
02:35:15.040 --> 02:35:15.399
<v Speaker 24>from that.

2864
02:35:15.520 --> 02:35:16.399
<v Speaker 13>Day from that.

2865
02:35:16.440 --> 02:35:16.799
<v Speaker 23>Moment.

2866
02:35:17.040 --> 02:35:23.000
<v Speaker 2>Wow, Okay So David, parker he was the closest one

2867
02:35:23.079 --> 02:35:27.719
<v Speaker 2>allegedly to. It he was able to see little. Intentions

2868
02:35:27.719 --> 02:35:30.120
<v Speaker 2>as we talked about, earlier he thought that they kind

2869
02:35:30.159 --> 02:35:33.000
<v Speaker 2>of looked like thousands of little thumb prints or fingerprints

2870
02:35:33.000 --> 02:35:36.719
<v Speaker 2>all over the bottom of. It and he said that

2871
02:35:36.760 --> 02:35:38.920
<v Speaker 2>he went outside to try and see if anybody else

2872
02:35:38.959 --> 02:35:42.040
<v Speaker 2>was seeing what he was, seeing and of course nobody.

2873
02:35:42.079 --> 02:35:44.040
<v Speaker 2>Did he was the only one out there in his.

2874
02:35:44.159 --> 02:35:46.479
<v Speaker 2>Area and he said that as it was flying, away

2875
02:35:46.520 --> 02:35:49.879
<v Speaker 2>he just started. Crying so he saw it as somewhat

2876
02:35:49.879 --> 02:35:52.399
<v Speaker 2>of a spiritual kind of. Thing maybe it, was maybe it.

2877
02:35:52.440 --> 02:35:55.079
<v Speaker 2>WASN'T i don't know. What what are, aliens you, know,

2878
02:35:55.319 --> 02:35:58.200
<v Speaker 2>like what do they give? Off you, know there's no

2879
02:35:58.280 --> 02:36:00.639
<v Speaker 2>way of knowing, it but that was at least his.

2880
02:36:00.680 --> 02:36:02.000
<v Speaker 2>EXPERIENCE i want to do include.

2881
02:36:02.000 --> 02:36:03.479
<v Speaker 4>It, YEAH i get.

2882
02:36:03.520 --> 02:36:07.000
<v Speaker 3>IT i just this is the only report THAT i

2883
02:36:07.000 --> 02:36:09.719
<v Speaker 3>have heard thus far of somebody saying they got thirty

2884
02:36:09.719 --> 02:36:11.879
<v Speaker 3>feet from it and it came down to. Them everyone

2885
02:36:11.959 --> 02:36:14.120
<v Speaker 3>else says that it was hundreds of feet in the,

2886
02:36:14.200 --> 02:36:15.680
<v Speaker 3>air if not one hundred and fifty feet in the,

2887
02:36:15.719 --> 02:36:17.280
<v Speaker 3>air and it flew over in all these.

2888
02:36:17.319 --> 02:36:20.760
<v Speaker 4>Things that's that is a bit of a new level to.

2889
02:36:20.799 --> 02:36:20.879
<v Speaker 10>It.

2890
02:36:21.040 --> 02:36:23.079
<v Speaker 2>YEAH i, Mean i'm not saying, that you, know he's

2891
02:36:23.840 --> 02:36:25.959
<v Speaker 2>fully correct or full of. SHIT i don't. KNOW i

2892
02:36:26.079 --> 02:36:29.959
<v Speaker 2>just wanted to include his testimony because it's definitely a

2893
02:36:30.000 --> 02:36:34.520
<v Speaker 2>part of the of the myth. Itself this next one

2894
02:36:34.680 --> 02:36:37.479
<v Speaker 2>Is Tim lay and his family talking about their. Experience

2895
02:36:37.840 --> 02:36:40.920
<v Speaker 2>this one is almost four minutes. Long very interesting the

2896
02:36:40.959 --> 02:36:43.239
<v Speaker 2>way that they describe, it and all of his family

2897
02:36:43.239 --> 02:36:47.000
<v Speaker 2>are talking about seeing. It they're describing their. Experience so

2898
02:36:47.040 --> 02:36:47.760
<v Speaker 2>let's check this one.

2899
02:36:47.760 --> 02:36:52.360
<v Speaker 8>Out the latest chapter into A Strange Valley encounter.

2900
02:36:52.159 --> 02:36:55.399
<v Speaker 20>Three months ago, tonight something strange happened in the sky

2901
02:36:55.559 --> 02:36:58.600
<v Speaker 20>is Over arizona that still hasn't been fully, explained and in,

2902
02:36:58.639 --> 02:37:01.600
<v Speaker 20>reality we may never know exactly what happened that. Night,

2903
02:37:02.159 --> 02:37:04.479
<v Speaker 20>Tonight first On, fox we hear from A phoenix family

2904
02:37:04.520 --> 02:37:07.079
<v Speaker 20>who may have been closer to whatever it was in the,

2905
02:37:07.079 --> 02:37:08.959
<v Speaker 20>sky closer than anyone.

2906
02:37:09.000 --> 02:37:12.879
<v Speaker 19>Else it's getting closer and. Closer it was, saying you,

2907
02:37:12.920 --> 02:37:14.319
<v Speaker 19>know that thing's coming right at.

2908
02:37:14.399 --> 02:37:17.200
<v Speaker 20>Us Tim lee and his family are among the hundreds

2909
02:37:17.239 --> 02:37:20.200
<v Speaker 20>of witnesses who've come forward to talk about the night

2910
02:37:20.239 --> 02:37:24.000
<v Speaker 20>Of march, thirteenth an event now known as The Phoenix.

2911
02:37:24.120 --> 02:37:27.639
<v Speaker 20>Lights The lees first saw the lights while looking north

2912
02:37:27.680 --> 02:37:30.120
<v Speaker 20>from their home in The Sunny Slope. Mountains when it.

2913
02:37:30.200 --> 02:37:33.280
<v Speaker 19>Finally got here and we realized this thing was coming

2914
02:37:33.360 --> 02:37:35.879
<v Speaker 19>right over, us we really started getting. Nancy and then

2915
02:37:35.959 --> 02:37:38.079
<v Speaker 19>when it went directly of ahead without a. Sound it

2916
02:37:38.159 --> 02:37:40.639
<v Speaker 19>was like it was like that it was so big

2917
02:37:41.120 --> 02:37:41.840
<v Speaker 19>you couldn't.

2918
02:37:41.520 --> 02:37:43.879
<v Speaker 5>Even hear the. Wind it was so. Quiet it was, This,

2919
02:37:44.319 --> 02:37:47.239
<v Speaker 5>yeah this didn't even do. Anything it just came.

2920
02:37:47.319 --> 02:37:49.920
<v Speaker 20>Through these images of what they saw are made on a.

2921
02:37:49.920 --> 02:37:52.840
<v Speaker 20>Computer there are a combination of digital photos of the

2922
02:37:52.920 --> 02:37:56.760
<v Speaker 20>landscape taken By lee and computer drawings of the objects

2923
02:37:56.760 --> 02:37:58.000
<v Speaker 20>his family saw in the.

2924
02:37:58.000 --> 02:38:01.840
<v Speaker 19>Sky it was a giant bee and the right side

2925
02:38:01.879 --> 02:38:05.120
<v Speaker 19>of the v went over. Us the left side was

2926
02:38:05.200 --> 02:38:06.639
<v Speaker 19>like a comfort of blocks over.

2927
02:38:06.680 --> 02:38:08.319
<v Speaker 10>It he just didn't know what to, do you. Know

2928
02:38:08.360 --> 02:38:10.799
<v Speaker 10>it was just, like my, god how big is this?

2929
02:38:10.840 --> 02:38:13.719
<v Speaker 10>Thing didn't seem Threaten england because when it was right

2930
02:38:13.719 --> 02:38:16.600
<v Speaker 10>overhead and we couldn't hear a, sound it was, like

2931
02:38:16.639 --> 02:38:16.959
<v Speaker 10>you're just.

2932
02:38:17.079 --> 02:38:21.719
<v Speaker 20>Awestruck Jim delatoso has been researching UFOs for twenty. Years right,

2933
02:38:21.760 --> 02:38:23.879
<v Speaker 20>now he's in the middle of putting together a virtual

2934
02:38:23.959 --> 02:38:26.840
<v Speaker 20>reality model of what happened that. Night he's talked to

2935
02:38:26.920 --> 02:38:30.280
<v Speaker 20>hundreds of witnesses about the night Of march, thirteenth including the.

2936
02:38:30.399 --> 02:38:33.680
<v Speaker 19>Leaves he thinks that he, said if he had a tennis,

2937
02:38:33.680 --> 02:38:34.479
<v Speaker 19>ball he could have hit.

2938
02:38:34.520 --> 02:38:36.840
<v Speaker 4>It he could have thrown a tennis ball.

2939
02:38:36.879 --> 02:38:37.280
<v Speaker 3>At it was that.

2940
02:38:37.360 --> 02:38:39.479
<v Speaker 4>Close it was very close and just nailed.

2941
02:38:39.520 --> 02:38:42.639
<v Speaker 21>IT i Consider Tim lee and his family to be

2942
02:38:43.920 --> 02:38:48.920
<v Speaker 21>very reliable and very important in the data that they'd given,

2943
02:38:49.000 --> 02:38:51.399
<v Speaker 21>us because they were so close that they could look up,

2944
02:38:52.120 --> 02:38:54.159
<v Speaker 21>and as they, said almost touch.

2945
02:38:54.200 --> 02:38:56.239
<v Speaker 19>It the last light went right over my wife AND

2946
02:38:56.280 --> 02:38:58.760
<v Speaker 19>i and there was no light on the, ground BUT

2947
02:38:58.840 --> 02:39:02.319
<v Speaker 19>i could see up in. That it was almost like a,

2948
02:39:02.399 --> 02:39:06.680
<v Speaker 19>recess and it had fluorescent light, inside like a gas

2949
02:39:06.760 --> 02:39:07.319
<v Speaker 19>light of some.

2950
02:39:07.399 --> 02:39:10.040
<v Speaker 5>Kind you could see right through the middle of. It

2951
02:39:10.120 --> 02:39:12.319
<v Speaker 5>but it was like looking through two way, glass like

2952
02:39:12.360 --> 02:39:14.440
<v Speaker 5>through a mirage that you see on the highway or,

2953
02:39:14.440 --> 02:39:16.959
<v Speaker 5>something or just when it's real hot right there there

2954
02:39:17.000 --> 02:39:19.879
<v Speaker 5>you can see, through but there's no light coming back

2955
02:39:19.959 --> 02:39:21.520
<v Speaker 5>or anything like. That it was just really.

2956
02:39:21.559 --> 02:39:22.680
<v Speaker 4>Weird this is.

2957
02:39:22.639 --> 02:39:28.520
<v Speaker 21>The first time in the series of reports of that

2958
02:39:28.760 --> 02:39:31.840
<v Speaker 21>night that someone said that they looked up and saw

2959
02:39:31.920 --> 02:39:34.360
<v Speaker 21>a structured object as it went.

2960
02:39:34.479 --> 02:39:39.120
<v Speaker 19>Over it went straight like like through this v right

2961
02:39:39.159 --> 02:39:40.520
<v Speaker 19>there over that guy's.

2962
02:39:40.559 --> 02:39:44.399
<v Speaker 5>House it took about fifteen minutes to get from way

2963
02:39:45.239 --> 02:39:47.719
<v Speaker 5>from when we first saw it all the way till

2964
02:39:47.799 --> 02:39:48.200
<v Speaker 5>he couldn't.

2965
02:39:48.239 --> 02:39:51.399
<v Speaker 20>Sign no one knows for sure what happened that night

2966
02:39:51.440 --> 02:39:54.879
<v Speaker 20>in the. Skies Over arizona In. March but thousands of

2967
02:39:54.920 --> 02:39:58.760
<v Speaker 20>people saw. Something it's a night the. Leaves we'll never.

2968
02:39:58.840 --> 02:40:00.079
<v Speaker 20>Forget we just really.

2969
02:40:00.000 --> 02:40:03.200
<v Speaker 10>Sperience every time we tell. It you, know it's like

2970
02:40:03.280 --> 02:40:08.200
<v Speaker 10>you it's it was just. Yesterday you, Know we've just

2971
02:40:08.200 --> 02:40:09.159
<v Speaker 10>never seen anything like.

2972
02:40:09.200 --> 02:40:11.079
<v Speaker 2>IT i was always a very polite.

2973
02:40:11.079 --> 02:40:13.120
<v Speaker 19>SKEPTIC i would never tell some if they told me

2974
02:40:13.159 --> 02:40:15.799
<v Speaker 19>they saw. SOMETHING i would never say you're a liar

2975
02:40:15.879 --> 02:40:18.760
<v Speaker 19>or anything like, that BECAUSE i don't. Know but NOW

2976
02:40:18.840 --> 02:40:21.760
<v Speaker 19>i don't know what to, think because this is.

2977
02:40:21.799 --> 02:40:27.079
<v Speaker 20>Impossible bring up The aerie music. Place this is weird.

2978
02:40:27.159 --> 02:40:27.799
<v Speaker 20>Stuff Jim.

2979
02:40:27.840 --> 02:40:31.840
<v Speaker 3>Dillon All, Right, so, bro how nineties can a video

2980
02:40:31.920 --> 02:40:35.239
<v Speaker 3>clip possibly be the amount OF t shirt and vest

2981
02:40:35.360 --> 02:40:39.040
<v Speaker 3>combos the backwards hat that one kid was wearing a

2982
02:40:39.639 --> 02:40:43.600
<v Speaker 3>hat super like a caangle. Hat, yeah but it. Was

2983
02:40:43.840 --> 02:40:46.040
<v Speaker 3>but it's not like the type Of samuel l. Wears

2984
02:40:46.159 --> 02:40:49.559
<v Speaker 3>it's like it's a very specifically nineties. HAT i haven't

2985
02:40:49.559 --> 02:40:52.319
<v Speaker 3>seen people wear that out in public since the late.

2986
02:40:52.440 --> 02:40:56.159
<v Speaker 3>Nineties then the Ex life has a full On tennessee

2987
02:40:56.280 --> 02:40:59.120
<v Speaker 3>top hat rocking a mullet and a, tie and it's, like,

2988
02:40:59.680 --> 02:41:03.159
<v Speaker 3>broh IF i could take a snapshot of nineties fashion

2989
02:41:03.239 --> 02:41:04.319
<v Speaker 3>for just your average.

2990
02:41:04.360 --> 02:41:05.200
<v Speaker 4>Person this is?

2991
02:41:05.239 --> 02:41:08.239
<v Speaker 2>It, Yeah, yeah it's. Funny it almost reminds me of

2992
02:41:08.280 --> 02:41:11.399
<v Speaker 2>like like those kind of. HATS i just think Of

2993
02:41:11.479 --> 02:41:14.600
<v Speaker 2>Jonathan Taylor, thomas like every TIME i see some shit like.

2994
02:41:14.680 --> 02:41:17.840
<v Speaker 3>That, yes you think OF jtt or you think about,

2995
02:41:17.959 --> 02:41:20.879
<v Speaker 3>uh oh, shit you remember that movie off Of, Disney

2996
02:41:20.879 --> 02:41:26.040
<v Speaker 3>The Paper. Brigade oh, yeah that's Some Gunther wheeler style fucking.

2997
02:41:26.360 --> 02:41:28.719
<v Speaker 4>Fashion you know What i'm. SAYING i haven't own it.

2998
02:41:28.719 --> 02:41:32.399
<v Speaker 2>OUT i haven't thought about that since the. NINETIES i, think.

2999
02:41:32.360 --> 02:41:35.040
<v Speaker 4>Yeah that's a Great so that's some brink shit right.

3000
02:41:35.079 --> 02:41:37.200
<v Speaker 2>There, yeah, Exactly.

3001
02:41:36.840 --> 02:41:38.159
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, buddy good.

3002
02:41:38.200 --> 02:41:41.319
<v Speaker 2>Things damn the nineties were a good, time weren't.

3003
02:41:41.319 --> 02:41:45.159
<v Speaker 4>They they really were in a class all their, own you.

3004
02:41:45.200 --> 02:41:47.040
<v Speaker 3>Know and if you for any of our listeners that

3005
02:41:47.120 --> 02:41:49.360
<v Speaker 3>were too young to remember the nineties or maybe have

3006
02:41:49.440 --> 02:41:52.239
<v Speaker 3>been born after the, nineties you really missed a good.

3007
02:41:52.239 --> 02:41:52.840
<v Speaker 4>One you.

3008
02:41:52.920 --> 02:41:55.239
<v Speaker 3>Know we were in that weird transitional period because the,

3009
02:41:55.280 --> 02:41:57.239
<v Speaker 3>eighties from WHAT i could, tell was just a lawless

3010
02:41:57.280 --> 02:42:00.559
<v Speaker 3>wasteland where like anything goes you, KNOW i you look

3011
02:42:00.600 --> 02:42:03.479
<v Speaker 3>at the way people dressed back. Then they had no fucking,

3012
02:42:03.680 --> 02:42:06.520
<v Speaker 3>clue but, like you, know that was in style at the.

3013
02:42:06.559 --> 02:42:10.639
<v Speaker 3>Time the nineties were this great decade where technology met

3014
02:42:10.760 --> 02:42:12.639
<v Speaker 3>innovation met the common.

3015
02:42:12.719 --> 02:42:15.719
<v Speaker 4>Man uh. Everybody you, know people were starting get more

3016
02:42:15.719 --> 02:42:17.680
<v Speaker 4>computers in their home cell.

3017
02:42:17.719 --> 02:42:20.799
<v Speaker 3>Phones ooh ooh another one that looking at the fashion

3018
02:42:20.799 --> 02:42:22.879
<v Speaker 3>of that makes me think back to that OLD pbs Show.

3019
02:42:22.879 --> 02:42:28.040
<v Speaker 2>Wishbone oh, yeah, yeah, dude that took me back just.

3020
02:42:28.079 --> 02:42:33.040
<v Speaker 2>Now that was solid Fucking. Arthur Now, arthur and you

3021
02:42:33.079 --> 02:42:36.639
<v Speaker 2>know it's still. Out they still make it damn. WELL i,

3022
02:42:36.719 --> 02:42:40.360
<v Speaker 2>Mean trump has been talking about DEFUNDING, pbs so maybe

3023
02:42:40.440 --> 02:42:40.959
<v Speaker 2>not for much.

3024
02:42:41.000 --> 02:42:43.760
<v Speaker 4>Longer fuck, that, Dude i'm telling you.

3025
02:42:43.760 --> 02:42:45.799
<v Speaker 3>What trump is making me less and less of a

3026
02:42:45.840 --> 02:42:49.159
<v Speaker 3>fan of his by the day Mister rogers himself had

3027
02:42:49.159 --> 02:42:52.399
<v Speaker 3>to go and lobby IN dc to keep funding TOW

3028
02:42:52.559 --> 02:42:56.680
<v Speaker 3>pbs because of specifically mister rogers. Neighborhood now they's some

3029
02:42:56.719 --> 02:43:00.280
<v Speaker 3>about defunding. It, bro that's a very good tele vision

3030
02:43:00.360 --> 02:43:02.120
<v Speaker 3>channel for wholesome content for.

3031
02:43:02.239 --> 02:43:05.159
<v Speaker 4>Children defund the other. Ship that's a.

3032
02:43:05.159 --> 02:43:08.360
<v Speaker 2>Waste, dude speaking of Mister roger's, neighborhood how about The

3033
02:43:08.840 --> 02:43:13.719
<v Speaker 2>mandela effect behind? That because all, right sing the song with.

3034
02:43:13.879 --> 02:43:16.879
<v Speaker 2>Me it's a beautiful day.

3035
02:43:16.680 --> 02:43:19.760
<v Speaker 4>In the Neighbor it's a beautiful day.

3036
02:43:19.559 --> 02:43:21.559
<v Speaker 2>In the Neighbor could you be?

3037
02:43:21.719 --> 02:43:22.840
<v Speaker 4>Mine watching be?

3038
02:43:23.000 --> 02:43:28.319
<v Speaker 2>Mine? Right, yeah but he says it's a beautiful day

3039
02:43:28.399 --> 02:43:32.079
<v Speaker 2>in the. Neighborhood, right everybody knows. That cut to now

3040
02:43:32.239 --> 02:43:36.040
<v Speaker 2>you go back to every single video he always accentuates

3041
02:43:36.680 --> 02:43:41.120
<v Speaker 2>it's a beautiful day in this. Neighborhood like what that

3042
02:43:41.200 --> 02:43:43.959
<v Speaker 2>makes no. Sense he never said in this, neighborhood it's

3043
02:43:43.959 --> 02:43:48.360
<v Speaker 2>a beautiful day in the. Neighborhood what? Exactly it's A mandela.

3044
02:43:48.399 --> 02:43:50.440
<v Speaker 4>Effect, okay Now i'm fill with.

3045
02:43:50.479 --> 02:43:52.840
<v Speaker 2>That, yeah, dude.

3046
02:43:53.000 --> 02:43:53.760
<v Speaker 4>That's gonna fuck with.

3047
02:43:53.799 --> 02:43:55.600
<v Speaker 3>ME i mean it's not like it really matters a

3048
02:43:55.639 --> 02:43:59.200
<v Speaker 3>way or, another but, like, Right i'm sure the fuck

3049
02:43:59.280 --> 02:44:00.520
<v Speaker 3>remember the not this?

3050
02:44:01.360 --> 02:44:08.680
<v Speaker 2>Right, Anyway this is your Boy William shatner on The History.

3051
02:44:08.760 --> 02:44:12.879
<v Speaker 2>Channel he has something Called The unexplained and he. Talks

3052
02:44:13.159 --> 02:44:14.959
<v Speaker 2>it's like a five minute long. Video he goes a

3053
02:44:14.959 --> 02:44:19.000
<v Speaker 2>little bit deeper into some of the aspects of the

3054
02:44:19.479 --> 02:44:23.840
<v Speaker 2>story and stuff like. That The, yeah let's just see

3055
02:44:23.840 --> 02:44:25.319
<v Speaker 2>what he has to. Say William, shatner you got to

3056
02:44:25.319 --> 02:44:26.920
<v Speaker 2>give him a shout, out. DUDE i, mean the, guy,

3057
02:44:27.040 --> 02:44:29.319
<v Speaker 2>sure the guy has looked the same for forty. Years

3058
02:44:29.440 --> 02:44:30.079
<v Speaker 2>it just makes no.

3059
02:44:30.159 --> 02:44:36.879
<v Speaker 25>Sense, Henderson, Nevada march, thirteenth nineteen ninety, seven at six

3060
02:44:37.040 --> 02:44:41.559
<v Speaker 25>fifty five, pm police in this small desert city received

3061
02:44:41.600 --> 02:44:45.959
<v Speaker 25>reports of a MASSIVE v shaped unidentified flying object in

3062
02:44:46.000 --> 02:44:46.319
<v Speaker 25>the night.

3063
02:44:46.360 --> 02:44:48.879
<v Speaker 4>Sky over the.

3064
02:44:48.840 --> 02:44:51.719
<v Speaker 25>Next three, hours the craft is witnessed by thousands of

3065
02:44:51.799 --> 02:44:55.319
<v Speaker 25>people as a journeys southeast into the state Of. Arizona

3066
02:44:56.520 --> 02:44:59.200
<v Speaker 25>because most of the sightings were reported by the residence Of,

3067
02:44:59.239 --> 02:45:03.520
<v Speaker 25>phoenix the incident is known as The Phoenix.

3068
02:45:03.680 --> 02:45:08.200
<v Speaker 23>Lights for, me it was just another.

3069
02:45:08.319 --> 02:45:09.360
<v Speaker 4>NIGHT i was at.

3070
02:45:09.399 --> 02:45:12.840
<v Speaker 23>HOME i was upstairs in our bedroom And i'm lying in.

3071
02:45:12.879 --> 02:45:16.840
<v Speaker 23>BED i see three lights pop. UP i grab my video.

3072
02:45:16.959 --> 02:45:21.239
<v Speaker 23>CAMERA i run outside on the balcony AND i did

3073
02:45:21.319 --> 02:45:26.319
<v Speaker 23>capture video afformations of these lights or actual craft arranged

3074
02:45:26.600 --> 02:45:32.920
<v Speaker 23>in A v or. Triangle we're talking mile to eight miles,

3075
02:45:33.000 --> 02:45:40.200
<v Speaker 23>wide gliding, silently some at a, distance but most at rooftop.

3076
02:45:40.319 --> 02:45:42.479
<v Speaker 23>Level some people said they could have thrown a rock at,

3077
02:45:42.479 --> 02:45:43.040
<v Speaker 23>it it was that.

3078
02:45:43.239 --> 02:45:48.600
<v Speaker 26>Close phoenix is a city of about five million, people

3079
02:45:49.799 --> 02:45:53.479
<v Speaker 26>and here they are looking up and seeing this IMMENSE

3080
02:45:54.159 --> 02:46:01.000
<v Speaker 26>ufo flying at fairly low, altitude quite. Slowly this was

3081
02:46:01.360 --> 02:46:03.280
<v Speaker 26>a siting on almost unprecedented.

3082
02:46:03.680 --> 02:46:09.680
<v Speaker 25>Scale the GIANT v shaped object reportedly hovered Above phoenix

3083
02:46:09.719 --> 02:46:13.200
<v Speaker 25>for three hours before it finally disappeared over the. Horizon

3084
02:46:14.879 --> 02:46:19.760
<v Speaker 25>The Phoenix lights incident made headlines across the. Country many

3085
02:46:19.799 --> 02:46:23.959
<v Speaker 25>eyewitnesses were convinced that what they saw was not a

3086
02:46:24.000 --> 02:46:28.239
<v Speaker 25>man made, airplane but rather an extraterrestrial.

3087
02:46:28.319 --> 02:46:34.159
<v Speaker 9>Spacecraft lots of people saw. This you have a lot

3088
02:46:34.200 --> 02:46:40.360
<v Speaker 9>of general consistency with how this was, reported but you

3089
02:46:40.399 --> 02:46:43.000
<v Speaker 9>had skeptic, saying, well the thing that people saw going

3090
02:46:43.040 --> 02:46:46.639
<v Speaker 9>down the state was actually just. Aircraft and then a

3091
02:46:46.760 --> 02:46:50.479
<v Speaker 9>spokesperson from The National guard made an announcement and, said,

3092
02:46:50.680 --> 02:46:53.239
<v Speaker 9>yeah those lights that people saw over the, city that

3093
02:46:53.360 --> 02:46:57.920
<v Speaker 9>was actually flares that we dropped by a Ten warthawk.

3094
02:46:58.000 --> 02:47:02.879
<v Speaker 9>Aircraft if you talked to the, witnesses there are a

3095
02:47:02.959 --> 02:47:05.079
<v Speaker 9>number of witnesses who were quite adamant that this was.

3096
02:47:05.120 --> 02:47:09.319
<v Speaker 9>Extraterrestrial and one of the witnesses turns out was actually

3097
02:47:09.360 --> 02:47:10.479
<v Speaker 9>the governor of the state Five.

3098
02:47:10.559 --> 02:47:14.200
<v Speaker 18>Symington as a pilot and a Former Air force, OFFICER

3099
02:47:15.159 --> 02:47:17.799
<v Speaker 18>i can definitively say that this craft did not resemble

3100
02:47:17.840 --> 02:47:19.360
<v Speaker 18>any man made object That i'd ever.

3101
02:47:19.399 --> 02:47:22.600
<v Speaker 4>Seen with The Phoenix.

3102
02:47:22.319 --> 02:47:25.799
<v Speaker 23>Lights, phenomena what's really exciting is it more and more

3103
02:47:25.879 --> 02:47:29.120
<v Speaker 23>credible people have come. Forward ALL i knew is that

3104
02:47:29.159 --> 02:47:33.719
<v Speaker 23>it was so beyond ANYTHING i ever imagined being here

3105
02:47:33.879 --> 02:47:39.399
<v Speaker 23>on this. Earth to, date The Phoenix lights phenomena has

3106
02:47:39.479 --> 02:47:41.319
<v Speaker 23>never been recreated.

3107
02:47:42.319 --> 02:47:42.399
<v Speaker 8>Or.

3108
02:47:42.719 --> 02:47:46.920
<v Speaker 27>Explained while The Phoenix lights is one of the most

3109
02:47:47.000 --> 02:47:52.000
<v Speaker 27>EXTRAORDINARY ufo encounters in, history it is just one of

3110
02:47:52.399 --> 02:47:55.879
<v Speaker 27>many mysterious sightings that have taken place in the state Of.

3111
02:47:55.959 --> 02:48:01.600
<v Speaker 27>Arizona according to The NATIONAL Ufo Reporting, center there have

3112
02:48:01.680 --> 02:48:07.280
<v Speaker 27>been approximately five THOUSAND ufo reports In arizona going all

3113
02:48:07.280 --> 02:48:08.559
<v Speaker 27>the way back to the nineteen.

3114
02:48:08.639 --> 02:48:15.040
<v Speaker 28>Forties On july, seventh nineteen forty, Seven WILLIAM. A, rhodes

3115
02:48:15.120 --> 02:48:21.959
<v Speaker 28>an amateur, photographer saw an elliptical metallic. Object he managed

3116
02:48:22.000 --> 02:48:26.840
<v Speaker 28>to capture two excellent photographs of this object at very low,

3117
02:48:26.879 --> 02:48:31.799
<v Speaker 28>altitude and he sent them into The Arizona republic, newspaper

3118
02:48:31.879 --> 02:48:36.440
<v Speaker 28>which published them on the front. Page and if you

3119
02:48:36.479 --> 02:48:38.840
<v Speaker 28>look at these, photographs you can see that they show

3120
02:48:39.000 --> 02:48:44.079
<v Speaker 28>a very solid looking metallic gray object at low. Altitude

3121
02:48:44.159 --> 02:48:48.840
<v Speaker 28>these photographs have never been, debunked so this is a

3122
02:48:48.959 --> 02:48:49.559
<v Speaker 28>very important.

3123
02:48:49.559 --> 02:48:53.719
<v Speaker 9>Case there was WHAT i believe is a GENUINE ufo

3124
02:48:53.799 --> 02:48:57.479
<v Speaker 9>crash that occurred In, Kingman, arizona In may of nineteen fifty.

3125
02:48:57.520 --> 02:49:03.959
<v Speaker 9>Three was apparently the recovery of it virtually intact down

3126
02:49:04.000 --> 02:49:08.840
<v Speaker 9>to flying. Saucer the witnesses came out and this is

3127
02:49:08.920 --> 02:49:14.600
<v Speaker 9>quite a significant. Case and then probably the most famous

3128
02:49:14.639 --> 02:49:18.879
<v Speaker 9>something MANY ufo Sightings arizona has had is The Travis

3129
02:49:18.920 --> 02:49:23.840
<v Speaker 9>walton abduction experience from nineteen seventy five that took place

3130
02:49:23.959 --> 02:49:28.479
<v Speaker 9>In november of that year and made national. News and

3131
02:49:28.600 --> 02:49:36.280
<v Speaker 9>So arizona has its own long history of anomalous activity for.

3132
02:49:36.319 --> 02:49:42.959
<v Speaker 3>Sure, okay so absolutely there's a lot of desert states that.

3133
02:49:43.000 --> 02:49:46.000
<v Speaker 3>Also do we all know about The, Roswell we hear

3134
02:49:46.040 --> 02:49:50.440
<v Speaker 3>About novada having, Things New mexico having. Things arizona is

3135
02:49:50.520 --> 02:49:53.000
<v Speaker 3>a part of that exact same. Desert so it would

3136
02:49:53.040 --> 02:49:55.079
<v Speaker 3>stand to reason that they would have a long history

3137
02:49:55.079 --> 02:49:57.959
<v Speaker 3>OF ufo crashes and sightings and things like. THAT i

3138
02:49:58.000 --> 02:49:59.639
<v Speaker 3>don't know if we've ever done a deep dive on

3139
02:49:59.680 --> 02:50:02.360
<v Speaker 3>The ingman, crash but there may be an episode coming

3140
02:50:02.360 --> 02:50:02.840
<v Speaker 3>out about that.

3141
02:50:02.920 --> 02:50:03.559
<v Speaker 4>Soon good cult.

3142
02:50:03.639 --> 02:50:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Members hell, yeah, DUDE i just love talking about all

3143
02:50:06.000 --> 02:50:08.799
<v Speaker 2>THIS ufo. Shit it's just so much, fun especially the

3144
02:50:08.879 --> 02:50:14.280
<v Speaker 2>unexplainable ones like this is this is, unexplainable like they

3145
02:50:14.319 --> 02:50:17.600
<v Speaker 2>got whether it's flair or military, aircraft maybe you GOT

3146
02:50:17.680 --> 02:50:20.040
<v Speaker 2>nasa saying that it could be lights coming from another.

3147
02:50:20.079 --> 02:50:24.840
<v Speaker 2>Galaxy nobody seems to be able to corroborate as far

3148
02:50:24.879 --> 02:50:28.159
<v Speaker 2>as you, know intelligence and higher ups and, stuff, right

3149
02:50:28.319 --> 02:50:30.799
<v Speaker 2>but everybody on the ground seems to stick with a

3150
02:50:31.079 --> 02:50:33.040
<v Speaker 2>very Very i'm not gonna, say the same, story a

3151
02:50:33.120 --> 02:50:36.760
<v Speaker 2>very similar, story a very similar time and a very similar.

3152
02:50:36.799 --> 02:50:40.719
<v Speaker 2>Location so thousands of. Witnesses, NOW i did want to

3153
02:50:40.719 --> 02:50:43.799
<v Speaker 2>bring this one up. Last this is your, Boy Alice.

3154
02:50:43.840 --> 02:50:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Cooper he said that he saw The phoenix lights two

3155
02:50:47.680 --> 02:50:52.079
<v Speaker 2>or three years after the Original phoenix. Lights check his

3156
02:50:52.159 --> 02:50:53.600
<v Speaker 2>story out two and a half minutes.

3157
02:50:53.639 --> 02:50:59.200
<v Speaker 13>Long, well the idea was to drive the brand new st.

3158
02:50:59.040 --> 02:50:59.559
<v Speaker 1>In mind.

3159
02:51:01.239 --> 02:51:02.479
<v Speaker 4>When things go terribly.

3160
02:51:02.520 --> 02:51:18.559
<v Speaker 7>Wrong, well the idea was to drive the brand New

3161
02:51:18.559 --> 02:51:22.079
<v Speaker 7>Aston martin To Los, angeles WHERE i was going to.

3162
02:51:22.120 --> 02:51:24.840
<v Speaker 7>Record AND i, thought, well the best time to drive

3163
02:51:24.879 --> 02:51:27.200
<v Speaker 7>that would be late at. NIGHT i told my, Wife

3164
02:51:27.239 --> 02:51:29.440
<v Speaker 7>i'm going to drive in at about eleven o'clock at

3165
02:51:29.520 --> 02:51:32.040
<v Speaker 7>night And i'll avoid all the traffic AND i can

3166
02:51:32.120 --> 02:51:33.559
<v Speaker 7>let the car out a little bit out in the

3167
02:51:33.600 --> 02:51:36.959
<v Speaker 7>desert and see what it'll. Do SO i got about

3168
02:51:37.000 --> 02:51:45.520
<v Speaker 7>as far as just before blithe and it was still

3169
02:51:45.520 --> 02:51:50.680
<v Speaker 7>In arizona AND i just happened to notice something out

3170
02:51:50.719 --> 02:51:53.799
<v Speaker 7>of the corner of my eye AND i looked up

3171
02:51:53.959 --> 02:51:59.559
<v Speaker 7>on the left and it was the same thing that

3172
02:51:59.600 --> 02:52:04.520
<v Speaker 7>EVERYBODY i saw in nineteen ninety seven on the, left

3173
02:52:04.639 --> 02:52:08.120
<v Speaker 7>and it was. MOVING i would say that was probably,

3174
02:52:08.319 --> 02:52:13.520
<v Speaker 7>southwest was moving, southwest and there was no noise at.

3175
02:52:13.520 --> 02:52:16.760
<v Speaker 7>All AND i watched it and watched, it AND i

3176
02:52:16.799 --> 02:52:17.719
<v Speaker 7>stopped the car in.

3177
02:52:17.680 --> 02:52:18.200
<v Speaker 13>The middle of the.

3178
02:52:18.200 --> 02:52:21.040
<v Speaker 7>DESERT i called my wife AND i, Said, CHERYL i,

3179
02:52:21.040 --> 02:52:25.520
<v Speaker 7>Said i'm looking at The phoenix lights right, NOW i,

3180
02:52:25.559 --> 02:52:31.959
<v Speaker 7>said and it's moving out very just very, very you,

3181
02:52:32.000 --> 02:52:34.239
<v Speaker 7>know LIKE i said that the oddest thing being out

3182
02:52:34.239 --> 02:52:38.440
<v Speaker 7>in the. Desert AND i told, HER i, said this

3183
02:52:38.520 --> 02:52:40.479
<v Speaker 7>is really. WEIRD i, Said i'm out here all alone

3184
02:52:40.479 --> 02:52:42.239
<v Speaker 7>And i'm. Watching and THEN i, went wait a, Minute

3185
02:52:42.239 --> 02:52:45.680
<v Speaker 7>i'm out here all. Alone that's not a good idea

3186
02:52:46.239 --> 02:52:48.479
<v Speaker 7>if that's WHAT i think it. Is and it was

3187
02:52:48.680 --> 02:52:51.840
<v Speaker 7>the v and it moved and moved. IT i watched

3188
02:52:51.879 --> 02:52:55.680
<v Speaker 7>it for ten minutes and it just kept getting further

3189
02:52:55.719 --> 02:52:58.040
<v Speaker 7>and further and. FURTHER i guess it must have been

3190
02:52:58.079 --> 02:53:01.680
<v Speaker 7>going Towards San. Diego that's where it would that's where

3191
02:53:01.680 --> 02:53:06.000
<v Speaker 7>that would probably. Be BUT i just watched it. DISAPPEAR i,

3192
02:53:06.000 --> 02:53:08.120
<v Speaker 7>mean it just kept going and going and. Going but

3193
02:53:08.200 --> 02:53:11.559
<v Speaker 7>it was exactly the, same the same. Thing it was

3194
02:53:11.600 --> 02:53:15.600
<v Speaker 7>sort of an amber lights amber kind of like soft

3195
02:53:15.799 --> 02:53:19.280
<v Speaker 7>lights on the. Thing it wasn't really a, bright bright,

3196
02:53:20.120 --> 02:53:23.840
<v Speaker 7>white you, know it was sort of a, dull dull

3197
02:53:23.879 --> 02:53:24.559
<v Speaker 7>amber kind of.

3198
02:53:24.639 --> 02:53:28.559
<v Speaker 13>Lights AND i, thought how weird is?

3199
02:53:28.600 --> 02:53:31.840
<v Speaker 7>THAT i, mean that was three years, ago that The phoenix,

3200
02:53:31.920 --> 02:53:35.280
<v Speaker 7>lights and it wasn't expecting that at.

3201
02:53:35.319 --> 02:53:36.639
<v Speaker 13>All you expect to see shooting.

3202
02:53:36.680 --> 02:53:39.479
<v Speaker 7>Stars you expect to see you, know maybe a satellite

3203
02:53:39.520 --> 02:53:41.200
<v Speaker 7>or something and way out in the desert like.

3204
02:53:41.239 --> 02:53:45.719
<v Speaker 13>That but this was absolutely the exact same. Ship so

3205
02:53:47.520 --> 02:53:50.079
<v Speaker 13>apparently they were kiss. Fans they didn't abduct be.

3206
02:53:53.040 --> 02:53:53.079
<v Speaker 11>The.

3207
02:53:53.479 --> 02:53:53.799
<v Speaker 2>End that's.

3208
02:53:53.840 --> 02:53:57.440
<v Speaker 3>Funny NOW i understand people are going to, say, well

3209
02:53:57.440 --> 02:54:00.239
<v Speaker 3>how can we trust the source on that? One, right

3210
02:54:00.360 --> 02:54:03.639
<v Speaker 3>he's the only witness and this and this and, This, okay,

3211
02:54:03.840 --> 02:54:07.719
<v Speaker 3>fine but how MANY ufo sightings have there been where

3212
02:54:07.760 --> 02:54:11.040
<v Speaker 3>it's only one or two or three witnesses that saw

3213
02:54:11.079 --> 02:54:14.120
<v Speaker 3>the event and they're easily Dismissed The Phoenix lights were

3214
02:54:14.639 --> 02:54:18.000
<v Speaker 3>seen rather than by thousands of, People so, like you

3215
02:54:18.040 --> 02:54:20.719
<v Speaker 3>can't easily write that one. Off but to say that

3216
02:54:20.799 --> 02:54:23.200
<v Speaker 3>in the same. Desert just a few years later there

3217
02:54:23.280 --> 02:54:26.760
<v Speaker 3>was another eyewitness source that says that they saw something.

3218
02:54:26.799 --> 02:54:29.079
<v Speaker 3>SIMILAR i, Mean i'm fucking, listening.

3219
02:54:28.959 --> 02:54:32.440
<v Speaker 2>Fucking, nay Especially Alice cooper dude legend status.

3220
02:54:32.600 --> 02:54:35.760
<v Speaker 4>One of the original forefathers of metal for. Sure fuck.

3221
02:54:35.840 --> 02:54:39.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah so, yeah just to get back to, It so

3222
02:54:39.399 --> 02:54:43.000
<v Speaker 2>the flare explanation falls. Apart The air force explanation focused

3223
02:54:43.040 --> 02:54:47.239
<v Speaker 2>ON Luu dash TWO b SLASH b illumination flares dropped

3224
02:54:47.280 --> 02:54:52.559
<v Speaker 2>by a ten, warthogs but eyewitnesses reported structured craft blocking the,

3225
02:54:52.600 --> 02:54:58.360
<v Speaker 2>stars hovering silently at low, altitude not drifting. Flares analysis

3226
02:54:58.479 --> 02:55:03.239
<v Speaker 2>or analysts point out. Inconsistencies flares don't maintain a v

3227
02:55:04.360 --> 02:55:08.000
<v Speaker 2>formation across hundreds of. Miles the flare narrative looks more

3228
02:55:08.200 --> 02:55:11.639
<v Speaker 2>like a cover story than a. Solution, yes it really.

3229
02:55:11.680 --> 02:55:15.360
<v Speaker 2>Does and now could it be a syop or alien?

3230
02:55:15.879 --> 02:55:20.200
<v Speaker 2>Demonstration so the two main theories that. Compete some people

3231
02:55:20.200 --> 02:55:22.319
<v Speaker 2>will say that it all boils down to these two,

3232
02:55:22.360 --> 02:55:26.760
<v Speaker 2>things that it could be a government, psyop the military staged,

3233
02:55:26.799 --> 02:55:31.440
<v Speaker 2>it maybe testing public, reaction running psychological warfare, exercises or

3234
02:55:31.559 --> 02:55:35.600
<v Speaker 2>masking classified. Craft problem is is that this was back

3235
02:55:35.600 --> 02:55:38.239
<v Speaker 2>in ninety seven and we still to this, day some

3236
02:55:38.360 --> 02:55:41.920
<v Speaker 2>almost thirty years, later have no technology that even comes

3237
02:55:42.040 --> 02:55:46.479
<v Speaker 2>close to what was going on back, then right.

3238
02:55:45.440 --> 02:55:47.600
<v Speaker 3>Right AND i looked into it as, Well LIKE i,

3239
02:55:47.600 --> 02:55:50.159
<v Speaker 3>said with the experimental aircraft and things like, THAT i

3240
02:55:50.239 --> 02:55:53.479
<v Speaker 3>brought up The predator. Drone, okay and at that time,

3241
02:55:54.079 --> 02:55:56.719
<v Speaker 3>drones especially in the, nineties that was still in the

3242
02:55:56.760 --> 02:55:58.959
<v Speaker 3>realm of, like, yeah there were some engineers that were

3243
02:55:59.000 --> 02:56:02.719
<v Speaker 3>working on. It The predator drone was first test flown

3244
02:56:02.879 --> 02:56:05.840
<v Speaker 3>in ninety. Four they were doing some experiments with it

3245
02:56:05.920 --> 02:56:08.239
<v Speaker 3>in the mid to late, nineties and then it first

3246
02:56:08.280 --> 02:56:11.920
<v Speaker 3>saw use in you, know the post nine to Eleven

3247
02:56:11.959 --> 02:56:12.600
<v Speaker 3>wars that took.

3248
02:56:12.600 --> 02:56:15.639
<v Speaker 4>Place, okay, fine that bitch is not.

3249
02:56:16.280 --> 02:56:19.200
<v Speaker 3>Quiet, now typically you don't hear it because it flies

3250
02:56:19.239 --> 02:56:22.399
<v Speaker 3>at the lowest of like fifteen thousand, Feet but when

3251
02:56:22.440 --> 02:56:24.559
<v Speaker 3>it's taking off and, landing and if it was flying

3252
02:56:24.680 --> 02:56:27.639
<v Speaker 3>one hundred or three hundred or five hundred feet off the,

3253
02:56:27.639 --> 02:56:31.559
<v Speaker 3>ground you're gonna hear that. Bitch there's no way not to. Mention,

3254
02:56:31.719 --> 02:56:36.000
<v Speaker 3>yeah it's it flies at a relatively slow. Speed i'll

3255
02:56:36.040 --> 02:56:37.520
<v Speaker 3>give you. That And i'm using the air quotes for

3256
02:56:37.559 --> 02:56:40.959
<v Speaker 3>anybody just, listening not at the speeds that the phoenix

3257
02:56:40.959 --> 02:56:44.639
<v Speaker 3>slides were moving. That that's we're talking about two completely

3258
02:56:44.680 --> 02:56:45.760
<v Speaker 3>separate things.

3259
02:56:45.799 --> 02:56:50.200
<v Speaker 2>Here, yeah, yeah it's there's something to be said, there

3260
02:56:50.680 --> 02:56:52.760
<v Speaker 2>IT'S i don't know what to do with. It then

3261
02:56:52.799 --> 02:56:57.559
<v Speaker 2>the the other main theory would be that it would

3262
02:56:57.920 --> 02:57:02.079
<v Speaker 2>just have to be alien, demonstration the non human intelligence

3263
02:57:02.159 --> 02:57:06.920
<v Speaker 2>deliberately revealed, itself showing, scale precision and silence to prove

3264
02:57:07.000 --> 02:57:10.520
<v Speaker 2>that we are not. Alone both of them, are you,

3265
02:57:10.559 --> 02:57:15.239
<v Speaker 2>know not, NECESSARILY i don't. Know it doesn't exactly warm

3266
02:57:15.239 --> 02:57:17.719
<v Speaker 2>your heart either. WAY i guess whether you do believe

3267
02:57:17.719 --> 02:57:19.719
<v Speaker 2>that it's alien or if you believe that it's a government,

3268
02:57:19.799 --> 02:57:23.600
<v Speaker 2>syop either the government is experimenting on its own, citizens

3269
02:57:23.600 --> 02:57:27.879
<v Speaker 2>which has been proven time and time, again or it's

3270
02:57:27.920 --> 02:57:33.319
<v Speaker 2>an advanced presence making. It its advanced presence is making

3271
02:57:33.360 --> 02:57:37.879
<v Speaker 2>contact while authorities bury the. Truth both are pretty, viable

3272
02:57:38.200 --> 02:57:42.040
<v Speaker 2>BUT i WOULD i don't buy the government syop, PERSONALLY

3273
02:57:42.200 --> 02:57:45.280
<v Speaker 2>i don't buy. THAT i, yes of, course out in That,

3274
02:57:45.399 --> 02:57:49.799
<v Speaker 2>west you always you, know Especially, Arizona, Nevada, california that

3275
02:57:49.920 --> 02:57:52.920
<v Speaker 2>whole side over, there that is where a lot of

3276
02:57:53.719 --> 02:57:56.840
<v Speaker 2>testing occurs because of the desert and everything like. That

3277
02:57:57.159 --> 02:58:00.799
<v Speaker 2>but you're not going to be testing over a populated

3278
02:58:00.920 --> 02:58:04.360
<v Speaker 2>area such As, phoenix which is the most populated city

3279
02:58:04.399 --> 02:58:06.879
<v Speaker 2>in the entire state In. Arizona you would do it

3280
02:58:06.959 --> 02:58:10.040
<v Speaker 2>out in some bumfog desert where nobody's gonna see. It

3281
02:58:10.239 --> 02:58:14.040
<v Speaker 2>you're not gonna showcase it across two states spanning three hundred.

3282
02:58:14.040 --> 02:58:17.920
<v Speaker 4>Miles, no not even no chance in, hell no.

3283
02:58:18.000 --> 02:58:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Way so do it like The Alice cooper story where

3284
02:58:21.799 --> 02:58:25.479
<v Speaker 3>you might have an eyewitness that can easily be silenced and.

3285
02:58:25.520 --> 02:58:29.040
<v Speaker 3>Dismissed now where there's hundreds of thousands of, eyewitnesses that

3286
02:58:29.479 --> 02:58:30.479
<v Speaker 3>makes no, sense.

3287
02:58:30.520 --> 02:58:35.159
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yes so The Phoenix lights have inspired films Like

3288
02:58:35.239 --> 02:58:39.520
<v Speaker 2>Phoenix forgotten Or The Phoenix. Incident there are docum documentaries

3289
02:58:39.520 --> 02:58:44.120
<v Speaker 2>and endless. Research there remain one of the LARGEST ufo

3290
02:58:44.200 --> 02:58:46.840
<v Speaker 2>mass sightings IN us, history and to this day people

3291
02:58:46.879 --> 02:58:50.600
<v Speaker 2>gather annually In phoenix to commemorate the. Event Unlike, roswell

3292
02:58:50.680 --> 02:58:53.879
<v Speaker 2>The Phoenix lights unfolded in real time before thousands of.

3293
02:58:53.920 --> 02:58:57.879
<v Speaker 2>Witnesses there was no way to suppress it. Completely so

3294
02:58:58.159 --> 02:59:01.959
<v Speaker 2>what really happened that? Night The Phoenix lights a CLASSIFIED us,

3295
02:59:02.079 --> 02:59:06.319
<v Speaker 2>craft a mass, syop or a genuine alien. Flyover maybe

3296
02:59:06.360 --> 02:59:08.799
<v Speaker 2>all of the. Above but here's the. Question if it

3297
02:59:08.879 --> 02:59:12.319
<v Speaker 2>was Just flair's why the, denial why the, Redicule why

3298
02:59:12.360 --> 02:59:15.040
<v Speaker 2>the missing, Tapes why the men in black and the

3299
02:59:15.040 --> 02:59:21.280
<v Speaker 2>intimidation of? Witnesses why mock an event that thousands of honest, citizens, pilots, doctors,

3300
02:59:21.319 --> 02:59:25.120
<v Speaker 2>cops and even the governor swore they saw The phoenix

3301
02:59:25.239 --> 02:59:29.319
<v Speaker 2>lights leave us with a terrifying. Possibility either either our

3302
02:59:29.399 --> 02:59:33.159
<v Speaker 2>government is lying to us about advanced technology or someone

3303
02:59:33.200 --> 02:59:35.879
<v Speaker 2>else is in our skies and the government is powerless

3304
02:59:35.920 --> 02:59:39.440
<v Speaker 2>to stop. Them and, maybe just maybe the real message

3305
02:59:39.479 --> 02:59:44.799
<v Speaker 2>wasn't the lights, themselves but the silence that. Followed That's.

3306
02:59:44.840 --> 02:59:48.879
<v Speaker 3>GOD i think both are very clear signs of what

3307
02:59:48.959 --> 02:59:51.399
<v Speaker 3>this was and possibly what it.

3308
02:59:51.440 --> 02:59:54.000
<v Speaker 2>Wasn't good cult, members let us know what you. THINK

3309
02:59:54.559 --> 02:59:56.200
<v Speaker 2>i had a lot of fun research in this. One

3310
02:59:56.239 --> 02:59:58.920
<v Speaker 2>i'm not gonna. Lie so we had the live show last,

3311
02:59:59.000 --> 03:00:00.680
<v Speaker 2>night AND i stayed Upuntil i'm here four in the

3312
03:00:00.680 --> 03:00:05.920
<v Speaker 2>morning researching articles and looking at videos and, documentaries AND

3313
03:00:05.959 --> 03:00:08.120
<v Speaker 2>i got balls deep into this one BECAUSE i was

3314
03:00:08.159 --> 03:00:12.159
<v Speaker 2>trying to find an explanation because it seems that every

3315
03:00:12.239 --> 03:00:16.920
<v Speaker 2>SINGLE ufo or alien story can be easily explained and you,

3316
03:00:16.920 --> 03:00:22.559
<v Speaker 2>know perfectly well decently, credible, Right LIKE i feel like

3317
03:00:22.600 --> 03:00:26.920
<v Speaker 2>you can, explain explain away MOST ufo and alien, sightings you,

3318
03:00:26.920 --> 03:00:30.840
<v Speaker 2>know just using logical brain and you can suppose that

3319
03:00:30.920 --> 03:00:32.479
<v Speaker 2>it was, this or you can suppose that it was.

3320
03:00:32.479 --> 03:00:35.639
<v Speaker 2>That but my problem is is that government stories don't

3321
03:00:35.680 --> 03:00:41.040
<v Speaker 2>match citizen stories. Do And i'm, Sorry i'm going to

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03:00:41.239 --> 03:00:46.239
<v Speaker 2>take the word over thousands of eyewitnesses and testimonies over

3323
03:00:47.040 --> 03:00:54.200
<v Speaker 2>government things that seem to not even align with their own.

3324
03:00:54.280 --> 03:00:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Story and still to this day it's. Unexplained still to this,

3325
03:00:59.760 --> 03:01:02.799
<v Speaker 2>day we are almost thirty years, later and still there

3326
03:01:02.879 --> 03:01:05.440
<v Speaker 2>is not an honest explanation as to what the fuck

3327
03:01:05.479 --> 03:01:08.159
<v Speaker 2>people saw in the sky on the night Of march,

3328
03:01:08.200 --> 03:01:11.520
<v Speaker 2>thirteenth nineteen ninety, seven or the lights that were in

3329
03:01:11.559 --> 03:01:14.079
<v Speaker 2>the sky three years. Later For Alice, cooper, right, like

3330
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<v Speaker 2>these are just weird, phenomena And i'm a. BELIEVER i

3331
03:01:19.200 --> 03:01:19.639
<v Speaker 2>am a full.

3332
03:01:19.719 --> 03:01:24.520
<v Speaker 3>Unbeliever i'm a believer that something took place Over phoenix that.

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03:01:24.639 --> 03:01:29.360
<v Speaker 4>Night type of alien was it a? Craft was it floating? Orbs?

3334
03:01:29.399 --> 03:01:31.159
<v Speaker 4>Like who? Knows, okay we weren't.

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<v Speaker 3>There in the eyewitness, testimony all of them line up

3336
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<v Speaker 3>in certain, regards but at the same, time the cameras

3337
03:01:37.159 --> 03:01:39.159
<v Speaker 3>that were being used were not the best, quality And,

3338
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<v Speaker 3>OKAY i get all of, that but this is still completely.

3339
03:01:42.840 --> 03:01:45.559
<v Speaker 3>Unexplained there is no narrative that has come out that

3340
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<v Speaker 3>makes any fucking.

3341
03:01:46.639 --> 03:01:48.879
<v Speaker 4>Sense and you know, ME i do believe in.

3342
03:01:48.920 --> 03:01:52.680
<v Speaker 3>ALIENS i believe in extraterrestrial life, forms, yes airan dimensional

3343
03:01:52.680 --> 03:01:55.319
<v Speaker 3>and spiritual of that nature as. Well but ALSO i

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03:01:55.360 --> 03:01:59.719
<v Speaker 3>believe in planets in this galaxy and another galaxy whatever

3345
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<v Speaker 3>that do you have life sustaining, capabilities and it would

3346
03:02:03.319 --> 03:02:05.799
<v Speaker 3>not shock me that they are more technologically advanced than we.

3347
03:02:05.840 --> 03:02:08.479
<v Speaker 3>Are so, Personally i'm of the belief that The phoenix

3348
03:02:08.559 --> 03:02:12.840
<v Speaker 3>lights were a lot more of the extraterrestrial life form

3349
03:02:13.079 --> 03:02:16.280
<v Speaker 3>variety than any other theory That i've heard proposed on this.

3350
03:02:16.360 --> 03:02:21.360
<v Speaker 2>Episode just and nobody makes any kind of, speculative you,

3351
03:02:21.360 --> 03:02:24.159
<v Speaker 2>know idea that they're from this planet or from this,

3352
03:02:24.360 --> 03:02:27.360
<v Speaker 2>galaxy or it was this breed of. Alien nobody's saying

3353
03:02:27.399 --> 03:02:31.040
<v Speaker 2>that we're just talking about some strange occurrence that happened

3354
03:02:31.079 --> 03:02:33.840
<v Speaker 2>in the night sky that nobody can. Explain that's, it.

3355
03:02:33.959 --> 03:02:37.440
<v Speaker 2>Yep and we showed videos and pictures and testimony and

3356
03:02:37.479 --> 03:02:40.399
<v Speaker 2>government stories and all these, things so cult, members let

3357
03:02:40.479 --> 03:02:41.079
<v Speaker 2>us know what you, think.

3358
03:02:41.159 --> 03:02:44.600
<v Speaker 3>Dude, indeed, indeed cult members want to hear from. You

3359
03:02:44.680 --> 03:02:47.760
<v Speaker 3>what is your take on The Phoenix lights. Situation but

3360
03:02:48.120 --> 03:02:50.360
<v Speaker 3>BEFORE i give my constant send off THAT i do

3361
03:02:50.479 --> 03:02:52.360
<v Speaker 3>to let everybody know to hit us in the comments,

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<v Speaker 3>SECTION i do want to give the plug for.

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<v Speaker 4>This.

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<v Speaker 3>LISTEN a lot of things aren't sure about this. STORY

3365
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<v Speaker 3>a lot of things are unsure about our. Future one

3366
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<v Speaker 3>thing that is very unsure about the future is our financial.

3367
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<v Speaker 3>System our economic system is going to collapse one. Day

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<v Speaker 3>you want to get your hands on some sort of

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<v Speaker 3>a tangible product that would be able to have value

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<v Speaker 3>regardless of what year you find yourself living in the

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<v Speaker 3>best and easiest way to get your hands on some

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<v Speaker 3>Metals and the best place to get your start in

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<v Speaker 3>the buying and selling and trading of gold and silver

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<v Speaker 3>bit do you want to buy a?

3382
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<v Speaker 4>Lot of bit.

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<v Speaker 3>This talk to your financial, advisor talk to YOUR cpa

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<v Speaker 4>Them what they think about investing in precious.

3386
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<v Speaker 3>METALS i promise you they're going to say that you

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<v Speaker 3>need to at least have some sort of your retirement

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<v Speaker 3>nest egg invested in these precious. Medals LIKE i, said

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<v Speaker 3>the best place to get your start while it is

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<v Speaker 3>still affordable is to go to the link in the

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<v Speaker 3>support the show and help support your financial.

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<v Speaker 4>Future it's a win win across the. Board but like we,

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<v Speaker 4>said we want to hear from, you good cult. Members

3395
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<v Speaker 4>what do you think about The Phoenix? Lights do you

3396
03:04:04.600 --> 03:04:06.280
<v Speaker 4>think it was a? Hoax do you think that the

3397
03:04:06.280 --> 03:04:07.200
<v Speaker 4>military was on?

3398
03:04:07.200 --> 03:04:08.959
<v Speaker 3>One do you think that the governor was telling the

3399
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<v Speaker 3>truth and now he's lying or vice.

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<v Speaker 4>Versa do you think that this is.

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<v Speaker 3>All in the realm of internet lore and fanfare and

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<v Speaker 3>there's nothing to. It do you believe that it was,

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<v Speaker 3>extraterrestrials interdimensionals.

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<v Speaker 4>Orbs we want to hear from. You the best place.

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