WEBVTT 1 00:00:35.880 --> 00:00:40.399 Welcome true crime people to Calling All Beings True Crime Unsolved. 2 00:00:40.439 --> 00:00:43.640 Forgive me. We don't have an intro video as yet, 3 00:00:44.719 --> 00:00:48.280 but hopefully my co creator Money Nathan will work on 4 00:00:48.320 --> 00:00:50.880 that and we will have a video for the true 5 00:00:50.920 --> 00:00:54.799 crime portion of Calling All Beings. Just to give you 6 00:00:55.479 --> 00:00:59.759 a little background, we are one of our invest chief 7 00:00:59.759 --> 00:01:05.480 and Vents instigator, Courtney, is doing a missing person's investigation 8 00:01:05.560 --> 00:01:09.799 in Pennsylvania. She spent the last several days there and 9 00:01:09.840 --> 00:01:11.760 we are going to try to help a family to 10 00:01:11.840 --> 00:01:15.040 find out what has happened to their loved one who's 11 00:01:15.040 --> 00:01:18.799 been missing since two thousand and six, including bringing in 12 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:23.200 cadaver dogs. We have a dog handler and we've been 13 00:01:23.319 --> 00:01:27.200 using three remote viewers and a couple of psychics. And 14 00:01:28.079 --> 00:01:31.120 so that's going to be Calling All Beings True Crime Unsolved, 15 00:01:31.359 --> 00:01:33.799 which is going to be disparate and apart from our 16 00:01:33.959 --> 00:01:38.200 UFO show, The Karen Reid Show Karen Reid Case, I 17 00:01:38.239 --> 00:01:44.120 became aware of fairly recently and absolutely have dove in 18 00:01:44.280 --> 00:01:49.599 firsthand and I am one of you Full blast FKR 19 00:01:49.760 --> 00:01:53.319 and Justice for John O'Keefe. My name is DJ, retired 20 00:01:53.439 --> 00:01:57.560 USAF special ops guy, and I can't get into what 21 00:01:57.640 --> 00:02:02.799 I do. Now, I'm honored that this gentleman is going 22 00:02:02.840 --> 00:02:06.719 to join us tonight. And as all of you know, 23 00:02:09.199 --> 00:02:13.719 it is very difficult when the target in this case 24 00:02:15.360 --> 00:02:18.280 is a law enforcement You know, you have a law 25 00:02:18.319 --> 00:02:22.039 enforcement officer who was killed, and it appears that there 26 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:26.319 are other law enforcement officers who have perpetrated some type 27 00:02:26.319 --> 00:02:29.479 of a fraud, frame up and cover up in order 28 00:02:29.520 --> 00:02:32.400 to frame someone that many of us and not all 29 00:02:32.400 --> 00:02:35.360 of us, believe is an innocent woman, that being Miss 30 00:02:35.439 --> 00:02:41.280 Karen Reid. And when I became aware of our guest, 31 00:02:41.479 --> 00:02:45.639 I was very inspired by the fact that he uh, 32 00:02:45.719 --> 00:02:48.319 as he said, a very difficult decision on his part 33 00:02:48.759 --> 00:02:53.879 to engage in support for this movement with Turtle Boy 34 00:02:53.960 --> 00:02:56.199 and all of you who are out there, the young jerks, 35 00:02:56.240 --> 00:03:03.319 Mike Masa, Masa Media, you know, Melanie, Melanie Little and 36 00:03:03.879 --> 00:03:08.639 Mark Beroer attorney Mark Betterers now, uh, it's going to 37 00:03:08.680 --> 00:03:12.159 serve as as counsel for Turtle Boy, among many of 38 00:03:12.159 --> 00:03:15.199 you other content creators. Nurse Kim, I'm watching you, all 39 00:03:15.240 --> 00:03:18.879 of you. I love you guys. So anyway, without further ado, 40 00:03:19.759 --> 00:03:25.159 let us bring on the Great White Shark of Boston Leos. 41 00:03:25.199 --> 00:03:28.080 So just imagine like a great white shark and paste 42 00:03:28.080 --> 00:03:30.520 it on the nose. You see Sean's face, and then 43 00:03:30.560 --> 00:03:32.560 we're about a mile off shore and there's a swimming 44 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:34.719 Brian Albert to cue up the jaws. 45 00:03:35.039 --> 00:03:39.879 You see at party people put your hands together for 46 00:03:40.080 --> 00:03:46.120 Eli Jeffe the man himself. They're retired supervisory DA agent 47 00:03:46.560 --> 00:03:49.080 Sean hey McDonald's DJ. 48 00:03:49.280 --> 00:03:54.159 What a what an intro. Thank you so much, Thank you, amen, 49 00:03:54.879 --> 00:03:59.319 you will man. This is You're welcome. Brother, It's so good. Listen. 50 00:03:59.360 --> 00:04:02.360 I can't believe you get all the players down. I mean, 51 00:04:02.360 --> 00:04:03.840 you said you didn't know about this case, but you 52 00:04:03.879 --> 00:04:06.520 got everyone down. It's beautiful. It's really nice. 53 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:10.280 Thank you, brother. I've been consuming this this content rather 54 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:13.919 incessantly in order to get up to speed with uh, 55 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:18.279 what's going on in the case. And I am as 56 00:04:18.319 --> 00:04:21.079 I told you. I went to Dean College in Franklin. 57 00:04:21.560 --> 00:04:25.720 Many of my classmates are are distinguished law enforcement officers, 58 00:04:25.959 --> 00:04:29.120 so I'm still active, some retired, and I know they're 59 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:33.079 probably mortified and they're in a difficult spot like you 60 00:04:33.120 --> 00:04:36.800 and Peter Murphy are right. So but I know I 61 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:39.360 did talk to one of them. I can't say who 62 00:04:39.399 --> 00:04:42.600 he is. Because he's rather prominent in the area in 63 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:47.040 law enforcement. But you know, he basically just described it 64 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:49.959 as an S show. Well you know what. 65 00:04:51.800 --> 00:04:52.639 That's understand. 66 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:57.000 Yeah, And you know I said, I said to him, 67 00:04:57.480 --> 00:04:59.600 I said, you know, chief that this would not have 68 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:02.720 happened in your in your town. And he's yeah, like, 69 00:05:02.759 --> 00:05:06.879 I know, it wouldn't have. So so I just want 70 00:05:06.879 --> 00:05:09.120 to say I am a big fan of not only 71 00:05:09.199 --> 00:05:12.680 Sean two point oh, I am also a fan of 72 00:05:12.839 --> 00:05:16.120 Sean one point oh. And you know why I'm gonna 73 00:05:16.120 --> 00:05:17.639 tell you. I just want to tell you guys something 74 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:19.360 before we get into because I have a line of 75 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:22.120 questions for Sean that I want to go into, but 76 00:05:22.240 --> 00:05:25.199 before I do that. And one, love to Massachusetts, Like 77 00:05:25.279 --> 00:05:27.240 I said, I went to college here and I just 78 00:05:27.399 --> 00:05:32.360 love your state. But you have this way of going 79 00:05:32.399 --> 00:05:36.279 after people in this first person dialogue. And I was 80 00:05:36.399 --> 00:05:38.720 driving to take my dogs to the forest out here 81 00:05:38.720 --> 00:05:43.199 in Georgia, and Sean's going, all right, and next we 82 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:46.319 gotta get to where's this guy proctic? Come on, let 83 00:05:46.399 --> 00:05:48.720 me just catch up and come on, a little mikey Ah, 84 00:05:48.839 --> 00:05:50.839 there you are. Now we got and you had him 85 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:53.319 on the screen. You go, little Mikey, let me tell 86 00:05:53.360 --> 00:05:56.040 you something you got, I'll come up from Naples. I'll 87 00:05:56.040 --> 00:05:59.600 walk in, but you get you gotta you gotta go in, Mike. 88 00:06:00.040 --> 00:06:03.120 And when you're doing that, I am having trouble staying 89 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:03.600 on the road. 90 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:08.439 That's not funny, you know, DJ. It's kind of funny 91 00:06:08.480 --> 00:06:11.040 because when I first got into this, back in the 92 00:06:11.160 --> 00:06:15.040 days of the I was actually anonymous in the Facebook groups. 93 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:20.439 I was doing these anonymous messages purposely to attack. We'll 94 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:26.160 not attack, I shouldn't say that to basically subliminately like 95 00:06:26.160 --> 00:06:30.120 a psyop operation, to the chief, to Brian Albert, to 96 00:06:30.199 --> 00:06:33.240 all these other people. And I told some of them 97 00:06:33.279 --> 00:06:36.160 odds that that's what that was my intention. And then 98 00:06:36.160 --> 00:06:39.319 when I finally like almost eight months later, when I 99 00:06:39.319 --> 00:06:43.439 got into this platform, it was like I was I 100 00:06:43.680 --> 00:06:46.600 communicate to these people because I know they're listening, and 101 00:06:46.680 --> 00:06:49.519 I'm a former law enforcement guy. I know the game, 102 00:06:49.959 --> 00:06:52.279 and I know what they're going through, all right. They 103 00:06:52.360 --> 00:06:54.680 never thought that they were going to be looked at. 104 00:06:54.839 --> 00:06:58.480 They never thought that the FBI was watching over their shoulders. 105 00:06:58.519 --> 00:07:01.240 And you know, I try to tell people I was 106 00:07:01.240 --> 00:07:03.800 giving the little hints along these when I first died 107 00:07:03.800 --> 00:07:06.480 with Aiden. Then I went to Kevin Lenihan back in 108 00:07:06.519 --> 00:07:08.720 the good old days this is just a year ago. 109 00:07:08.759 --> 00:07:12.160 And then I went to Mike Crawford in different various 110 00:07:12.199 --> 00:07:15.399 and I was giving little trickers because I had the 111 00:07:15.439 --> 00:07:18.480 answers to the test. I just couldn't give it out publicly. 112 00:07:19.199 --> 00:07:21.600 I felt I felt kind of guilty in a way, 113 00:07:21.639 --> 00:07:25.160 but in a different way, it felt dynamite. I felt that, 114 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:28.439 you know, if I could just let loose now, but 115 00:07:28.519 --> 00:07:31.319 I didn't want to really mess up a lot of things. 116 00:07:31.560 --> 00:07:35.519 Of course, until Natalie, who actually gave me the answers 117 00:07:36.040 --> 00:07:38.920 to the test, when she flipped, I said, okay, well 118 00:07:38.959 --> 00:07:41.560 she's going to give it over to those people. Now's 119 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:44.600 my time. I can start letting these little knuckuts out 120 00:07:44.959 --> 00:07:51.519 in a little bit more aggressive fashion. But they couldn't 121 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:53.800 give out what I had because that would destroy them. 122 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:57.399 They were giving out things that was in a bad 123 00:07:57.439 --> 00:08:00.360 life for Karen. But see it wasn't much of that, 124 00:08:00.519 --> 00:08:02.839 you know. They were trying. Like see, Aid didn't even 125 00:08:02.879 --> 00:08:07.120 really give up the fact that he was communicating with anyone. Right, 126 00:08:07.720 --> 00:08:11.680 So when I found out where his ankles, this is great. 127 00:08:11.720 --> 00:08:14.279 He can do his thing and I can start thinking 128 00:08:14.319 --> 00:08:17.079 about okay, as a federal agent, what are those guys 129 00:08:17.120 --> 00:08:21.160 doing now? And it became brystal clear. But along the 130 00:08:21.199 --> 00:08:24.040 way I kept dropping little hints, little hints, and I said, 131 00:08:24.079 --> 00:08:26.399 that's it. I'm going full fledge on this thing. 132 00:08:27.480 --> 00:08:31.720 In any battle, you know, if you're in any sort 133 00:08:31.720 --> 00:08:35.399 of a conflict that's like a military conflict, you don't 134 00:08:35.399 --> 00:08:37.879 want to have one front to the war. So you 135 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:41.360 could be on one front and pushing very very strongly, 136 00:08:41.679 --> 00:08:44.600 but you would want to have somebody like Aiden or 137 00:08:44.879 --> 00:08:49.240 or Mike or others are Mesa making a flanking maneuvers 138 00:08:49.279 --> 00:08:51.840 that they have to now defend those areas or you 139 00:08:51.840 --> 00:08:56.320 know jen O'Donnell or Rita Lombardi right or and their groups. 140 00:08:56.559 --> 00:08:59.440 So I tell the UFO community this all the time, 141 00:08:59.480 --> 00:09:01.840 that's always trying to push on the government to release 142 00:09:01.879 --> 00:09:04.360 this information. You need, you know, go to if you 143 00:09:04.600 --> 00:09:06.080 go to the British government, you know, go to the 144 00:09:06.120 --> 00:09:09.039 Australian government, go to the Canadian government. Open up a 145 00:09:09.080 --> 00:09:12.559 second front. Because we all know that the Five Eyes 146 00:09:12.600 --> 00:09:16.080 agreement they're sharing intel should all these these these five eyes, right, 147 00:09:16.200 --> 00:09:18.759 So it's the same here and in the way that 148 00:09:19.279 --> 00:09:22.039 your front could you know, Aiden could be, you know, 149 00:09:22.120 --> 00:09:24.799 pressuring them on a different front, and quite frankly, he 150 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.200 has been. Let me ask you something for my own edification, 151 00:09:28.320 --> 00:09:31.080 because I know everybody that's in the audience knows this. 152 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:34.879 And by the way, so I'm just now checking the comments. 153 00:09:34.919 --> 00:09:37.200 I don't even know if Julie's here, are not our 154 00:09:37.279 --> 00:09:41.360 chat moderator, But anyway, thank you everybody for coming along. 155 00:09:41.440 --> 00:09:44.200 There's so many of you. I'm so excited that you're here. 156 00:09:44.200 --> 00:09:48.039 It looks like Courtney's just texting me, so I'm not 157 00:09:48.120 --> 00:09:51.919 sure what she's saying. Let me see. If you have 158 00:09:52.000 --> 00:09:54.320 a question for Sean, let me know. We will make 159 00:09:54.639 --> 00:09:57.159 time for that. If you're so inclined and you have 160 00:09:57.240 --> 00:10:00.759 the ability to throw a super chat our Hello, the 161 00:10:00.759 --> 00:10:05.080 glarer in the house, Hello, Hello everybody, Ernie, Mary, Katara, 162 00:10:05.679 --> 00:10:10.759 Ruby Khan, Kathy, Data, Data five, Reality Check. What's up? 163 00:10:11.799 --> 00:10:13.720 So yeah, if if, if you have the ability to 164 00:10:13.759 --> 00:10:15.720 throw a dollar away, that would be awesome. And if 165 00:10:15.720 --> 00:10:20.440 you don't, you're still awesome, and we'll still to Sean 166 00:10:20.799 --> 00:10:22.000 absolutely dollar. 167 00:10:22.159 --> 00:10:26.559 Right, it's a dollar. They know what that's all about. Right, 168 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:28.039 it's a hot job. 169 00:10:29.200 --> 00:10:32.159 For three years of the show we've made I think 170 00:10:32.200 --> 00:10:35.960 this last week. We've made our first literal few bucks. 171 00:10:36.039 --> 00:10:39.440 We've never taken super chats or anything, but I want 172 00:10:39.440 --> 00:10:42.720 to start paying these uh four people, the other three 173 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:45.679 people that are on my show, and Julie our chat. Hey, Julie, 174 00:10:45.840 --> 00:10:50.840 what's up? That's our chat miner. So Julie's here, Thank god. So, Julie, 175 00:10:50.840 --> 00:10:53.000 this this is Sean. He's awesome. You love him. 176 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:55.360 She may need a couple more, I think, but you 177 00:10:55.399 --> 00:10:55.799 never know. 178 00:10:56.480 --> 00:10:59.120 Yeah, Julie shout out to Charlotte Jay if he can 179 00:10:59.240 --> 00:11:02.559 jump on and and moderate. But all right, Sean, let's 180 00:11:02.559 --> 00:11:05.759 get into it. Courtney will join us shortly. I'd like 181 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:08.480 to start you off at the bar and you you 182 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:12.639 have some interesting, obviously observations from the bar. So and 183 00:11:12.679 --> 00:11:14.679 if if you guys see something in the chat that 184 00:11:14.720 --> 00:11:17.600 Sean and I missed relative to the bar, please just 185 00:11:17.759 --> 00:11:20.159 let us know if you have a question all caps, 186 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:23.320 if you're able to super chat wonderful Sean at the bar, 187 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:27.919 what were your takeaways to specific touch points from the bar? Please? 188 00:11:28.320 --> 00:11:33.039 You know it's funny that video came very very late 189 00:11:33.080 --> 00:11:37.120 in the game, even in the trial. I believe, uh 190 00:11:37.559 --> 00:11:41.559 it was in Alan Jackson's closing that he directed people 191 00:11:41.639 --> 00:11:44.840 to see that video. He said, he cautioned you. He said, 192 00:11:44.879 --> 00:11:47.879 listen when you're watching that video, because someone had put 193 00:11:47.919 --> 00:11:51.159 it out. I figured, I think it's true crime. Kang Listen. 194 00:11:51.200 --> 00:11:55.720 I'm horrible with remembering nicknames. I know who you are, 195 00:11:55.879 --> 00:11:59.039 like DJ, you know Sam Marco, I know who you are. 196 00:11:59.159 --> 00:12:02.200 I can that's but you know, I think it was 197 00:12:02.279 --> 00:12:06.840 true crime Kangaroo, I pull. I believe so, and she 198 00:12:07.320 --> 00:12:12.200 put this video. I said, oh my god, because bottom line, DJ, 199 00:12:13.080 --> 00:12:17.080 that was something I really looked in on. So if 200 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:21.120 people go back, it was at the end of the night, 201 00:12:22.120 --> 00:12:25.240 Brian and Brian Higgins, Bryan out, Brian Higgins kind of leaving, 202 00:12:25.799 --> 00:12:30.000 and Chris Albert is kind of like doing a separation 203 00:12:30.159 --> 00:12:36.440 move onto Brian Higgins, okay, and he's motioning John and 204 00:12:36.480 --> 00:12:39.960 he's pointing at him, pointing at him, pointing at the door, 205 00:12:40.480 --> 00:12:43.240 back and forth. Chris is pushing him out. Brian alb 206 00:12:43.360 --> 00:12:47.159 was just standing there. It seems like the the the 207 00:12:47.320 --> 00:12:52.960 issue was between Brian Higgins and John O'Keefe. Now at 208 00:12:53.000 --> 00:12:57.200 the same time the camera where she did she broke 209 00:12:57.360 --> 00:13:01.159 She broke it down masterfully too. She's zoomed in on 210 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:05.039 the actions between Brian Higgins, Brian Albert, and Chris Albert. 211 00:13:05.600 --> 00:13:08.200 And there's no doubt Chris Albert is acting as a 212 00:13:08.240 --> 00:13:13.840 person blocking Brian Higgins from John, like keeping him separated, 213 00:13:14.159 --> 00:13:18.519 keeping Brian's actions so that John couldn't see it. Well, 214 00:13:18.519 --> 00:13:22.679 then she focuses on John O'Keefe and he's looking, he's 215 00:13:22.679 --> 00:13:24.720 putting his head down, and all of a sudden, he 216 00:13:24.759 --> 00:13:28.720 does I call it the alley shuffle, and my good 217 00:13:28.759 --> 00:13:31.519 friend JFK says the heel toe whatever you want to 218 00:13:31.559 --> 00:13:34.320 call it. John was basically saying, all right, motherfucker, you 219 00:13:34.399 --> 00:13:39.320 come to me now, listen. In honest, I don't know 220 00:13:39.360 --> 00:13:44.000 how much John knew all right, but the thing is 221 00:13:44.159 --> 00:13:48.679 there was definitely some animosity, clearly. And I am a 222 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:52.840 prophetic reader of body language. I had to I mean, 223 00:13:52.879 --> 00:13:54.320 when I was on the I had to. 224 00:13:54.279 --> 00:13:55.120 Read the job. 225 00:13:56.080 --> 00:13:58.440 You know, my job, especially when you're you know, on 226 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:01.679 the in a different langth which you know. They can 227 00:14:01.720 --> 00:14:05.919 be laughing at him and they said I'm gonna kill you, 228 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:08.799 and you're thinking, oh, this fucking guy is just you're 229 00:14:08.879 --> 00:14:12.000 laughing at me. But he's he's testing you. When you 230 00:14:12.039 --> 00:14:16.200 see the person in their body language, the spoken workers 231 00:14:16.240 --> 00:14:22.000 out the door. This video is absolutely mind boggling, and 232 00:14:22.759 --> 00:14:27.799 I have to give credit to the defense, the team 233 00:14:28.039 --> 00:14:34.639 because they were able to separate the third party culprit defense. 234 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:38.159 They allowed Lally to put it on. In his case 235 00:14:38.559 --> 00:14:41.960 get a figure. Lally put on sixty eight witnesses, the 236 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.360 most boring testimony, but he put on the three main 237 00:14:46.480 --> 00:14:51.759 culprits that they identified during the pre trial hearings, Albert 238 00:14:52.240 --> 00:14:56.840 Higgins and the other colin order. Right, it was a 239 00:14:56.840 --> 00:14:59.440 gift because they had. All they had to do is 240 00:14:59.519 --> 00:15:03.200 just I questioned them getting them locked in on their statements. 241 00:15:03.960 --> 00:15:07.639 So they come to their time, their time to put 242 00:15:07.639 --> 00:15:11.120 on the case. Now, remember, if convicted, Karen is going 243 00:15:11.159 --> 00:15:14.519 to jail for the rest of her life on murder too. 244 00:15:14.879 --> 00:15:18.279 There's no doubt about it. For them to come out 245 00:15:18.399 --> 00:15:24.080 and only put six witnesses on it was like a masterpiece, right. 246 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:28.159 Something in their game plan said, we got this right. 247 00:15:28.440 --> 00:15:31.159 She is not going to jail. Do we get the 248 00:15:31.279 --> 00:15:34.840 enng who knows, But we're not going to get twelve 249 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:37.559 people to agree that she's killed me. And they didn't 250 00:15:37.559 --> 00:15:42.039 give up anything. They gave up nothing, which means if 251 00:15:42.080 --> 00:15:45.480 it ever does go to a second trial, which I 252 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:47.320 don't believe it will. I didn't believe this was going 253 00:15:47.399 --> 00:15:49.080 to go to a second to a trial at all, 254 00:15:50.080 --> 00:15:53.320 based on what my knowledge is. It was a suicide 255 00:15:53.360 --> 00:15:58.039 mission for the Commonwealth. They failed. The Commonwealth absolutely failed 256 00:15:58.519 --> 00:16:01.080 because they get one shot. They gave up all their cards. 257 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:05.159 They gave it all up. This theory is in the 258 00:16:05.159 --> 00:16:08.759 waste basket. I mean, come on, it's always hit by 259 00:16:09.279 --> 00:16:12.799 is n I was hit by a car and he 260 00:16:12.879 --> 00:16:16.000 was catapulted to twelve to fifteen feet. It does not 261 00:16:16.120 --> 00:16:18.559 pass the sniff test. And now they're locked in. They 262 00:16:18.559 --> 00:16:19.360 can't change it. 263 00:16:19.759 --> 00:16:22.159 Right that. Yeah, they're locked into their theory of the case. 264 00:16:22.360 --> 00:16:25.200 And now when you have the lead investigator with one 265 00:16:25.200 --> 00:16:27.559 foot out the door, the other two are going to 266 00:16:27.639 --> 00:16:30.840 be looked at hard because they're the supervisor. Listen. As 267 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:34.279 a supervisor myself, you know, it was great being with 268 00:16:34.360 --> 00:16:37.000 the guys, you know, coming up the ranks and you're 269 00:16:37.440 --> 00:16:40.440 knocking doors down, you're dropping down beers after a good job, 270 00:16:40.519 --> 00:16:43.840 yell high five, and you become a supervisor. It's not fun. 271 00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:48.559 You're responsible. I was responsible for fifteen guys, right, and 272 00:16:48.600 --> 00:16:51.399 you can't be their friends. You have to be the supervisor. 273 00:16:51.600 --> 00:16:55.759 It looks like Kelly and Ury all right, Blu Pennick, 274 00:16:56.279 --> 00:16:59.799 they lost sight of their role. And by doing so, 275 00:17:01.000 --> 00:17:06.039 let's let's let's face it, when even forget about the text, 276 00:17:06.160 --> 00:17:08.720 even some of the things that Proctor was doing, and 277 00:17:09.079 --> 00:17:11.519 you're a Buchanic, how they should have been on top 278 00:17:11.559 --> 00:17:14.079 of that. Should have definitely been on top of that. 279 00:17:14.160 --> 00:17:17.160 And I see, not only will they get the failure 280 00:17:17.279 --> 00:17:19.480 to supervise, but they're going to get a lot more 281 00:17:19.920 --> 00:17:24.880 administrative wise up to criminal And I do believe that 282 00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:26.680 the FEDS have been pretty tightened up. 283 00:17:27.759 --> 00:17:30.680 And they should. You know, I was a first sergeant 284 00:17:30.759 --> 00:17:34.119 when I retired, and I was responsible for the enlisted 285 00:17:34.599 --> 00:17:36.759 force and the squadron, and it was very similar. You know, 286 00:17:36.880 --> 00:17:39.079 you can you know, you you have to. They have 287 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:41.400 to know that you care about them, but you can't 288 00:17:41.440 --> 00:17:44.559 be their buddy, you know, or because if you do that, 289 00:17:44.720 --> 00:17:47.440 then you can't afford standards. Right, And here's let me 290 00:17:47.599 --> 00:17:51.799 let me bring somebody in here. Courtney connected Hey Courtney. 291 00:17:52.640 --> 00:17:54.920 Hey, Hi Sean, nice to meet you. Sorry, I'm out 292 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:56.599 a little bit late, had some family stuff. 293 00:17:57.519 --> 00:17:59.440 Better late than never. Accordney, nice to meet you, and 294 00:17:59.519 --> 00:18:01.279 thank you for have me on. It's a pleasure. 295 00:18:02.279 --> 00:18:04.039 Do you want to tell me your background real quick? 296 00:18:04.079 --> 00:18:06.279 Just so he kind of knows. I don't know if 297 00:18:06.319 --> 00:18:07.640 he's looked at your backun. 298 00:18:07.440 --> 00:18:12.960 Never have a clearance here. I just do I because 299 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:16.440 I remember going into all these brief things with Southcommon 300 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:19.319 and and all these muckety MUCKs from c I. Hey, 301 00:18:19.480 --> 00:18:26.559 uh what, there's always one. Everyone got their Yeah, there's 302 00:18:26.599 --> 00:18:29.880 always one, right as they should. They should go ahead. 303 00:18:30.039 --> 00:18:36.119 Yeah, somebody need tell man kids Boston. I'm sorry, go ahead, Court, 304 00:18:36.680 --> 00:18:38.039 tell them about your background real quick. 305 00:18:38.680 --> 00:18:42.680 I just coology. Mainly. I worked in mental health social services. 306 00:18:42.799 --> 00:18:45.759 I did a fair amount of lobbying for mental health 307 00:18:45.839 --> 00:18:47.799 and homelessness in Seattle, Washington. 308 00:18:48.440 --> 00:18:50.440 I won a few awards for my work there. 309 00:18:50.920 --> 00:18:53.279 I worked in law for a period of time, and 310 00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:56.200 so I have a bit of both to bring to 311 00:18:56.319 --> 00:18:58.000 our podcast tonight. 312 00:18:58.119 --> 00:18:59.359 Oh that's awesome, Courtney. 313 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:02.640 That's cool, right, Okay, So I got a couple of 314 00:19:02.720 --> 00:19:06.640 things that I'm gonna get to. We're back in the bar, 315 00:19:06.759 --> 00:19:09.519 But Court, we can barely hear you. So check your 316 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:13.079 mic and see if you can turn up your volume. 317 00:19:13.160 --> 00:19:14.599 How do you hear me? Do you hear me? Well? 318 00:19:15.079 --> 00:19:17.920 I hear you fine, Okay, I'm hearing you better now. 319 00:19:19.000 --> 00:19:21.799 I hear you a little better now, Okay, So you 320 00:19:21.839 --> 00:19:23.519 may just have to if you don't have any MIC, 321 00:19:23.559 --> 00:19:25.640 you may just have to lean forward to get closer 322 00:19:25.720 --> 00:19:28.920 to your laptop's mic. Okay, yep, thank you, my friend. 323 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:33.039 This is UH, one of four of us on calling 324 00:19:33.119 --> 00:19:37.480 all beings Courtney connected. I like to call her UH. 325 00:19:37.759 --> 00:19:41.839 And she is she Yeah, like I said, she's a 326 00:19:41.920 --> 00:19:45.200 PhD candidate and psychology and author, and she's our lead 327 00:19:45.279 --> 00:19:51.400 investigor lead investigator for a true crime unsolved. Okay, Sean one. 328 00:19:51.599 --> 00:19:53.200 Two things I want to bring to you because I 329 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:55.960 want to work methodically through this and then the audience 330 00:19:56.079 --> 00:20:00.160 can bring up questions that they have a relative to 331 00:20:00.240 --> 00:20:02.440 those areas so we can work our way through the case. 332 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.440 We're gonna get to you, Yuri, So don't worry. We're 333 00:20:05.480 --> 00:20:06.960 not gonna leave you out. We're not gonna leave you 334 00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:10.160 out totally. We're gonna get to you. But first in 335 00:20:10.279 --> 00:20:12.720 the bar. Two things that you and I can't see 336 00:20:12.759 --> 00:20:17.519 that we would have seen is potentially Higgins and John 337 00:20:17.599 --> 00:20:21.240 making eye contact. And you know what that eye contact means. 338 00:20:21.880 --> 00:20:23.519 That eye contact is you want some. 339 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:27.960 Of this exactly, no doubt about it, Okay, and we 340 00:20:28.240 --> 00:20:32.279 you know, it seems like John was able to, you know, 341 00:20:32.559 --> 00:20:37.039 get Brian Higgins not as defensive. He came over, immediately 342 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:41.319 embraced him, and embraced Brian Albert. So if if it 343 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.680 was any hint that John o'keith knew anything about Higgins 344 00:20:46.279 --> 00:20:51.200 and Karen, he totally diffused or gave an end around 345 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:55.720 on Higgins. In Higgins's brain, all right, something definitely happened 346 00:20:55.920 --> 00:20:59.559 during the course of the night. As Higgins and Brian 347 00:20:59.599 --> 00:21:05.200 Albert are leaving, something definitely happened. And the body language 348 00:21:05.240 --> 00:21:07.480 is you can't dispute the body language. 349 00:21:09.240 --> 00:21:11.200 The other thing, Now, this is where I want to 350 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:14.799 go to before we go to the house. Sure do 351 00:21:14.960 --> 00:21:20.440 you think, Sean, that the entire events that would unfold 352 00:21:20.599 --> 00:21:23.400 later were set up right there? Do you think that 353 00:21:24.039 --> 00:21:27.559 the reason that John told Karen, I want to go 354 00:21:27.680 --> 00:21:30.960 to that damn house party is because he wanted to 355 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:34.319 show that he's not afraid to be alone in a 356 00:21:34.400 --> 00:21:38.920 house and to face down Brian and Brian in a 357 00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:40.960 public in a private setting. 358 00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:45.960 Well, you know, if in the fact we're correct in 359 00:21:46.039 --> 00:21:48.079 what we're viewing and seeing, that was kind of an 360 00:21:48.119 --> 00:21:54.759 aggressive type, you know, back and forth between John and Brian. Yeah, 361 00:21:54.759 --> 00:21:56.920 I think he probably said, hey, listen, I'm not taking 362 00:21:56.960 --> 00:21:59.720 shift from this asshole, you know. And let's face it, 363 00:22:00.160 --> 00:22:02.119 it would probably have been a whole different story with 364 00:22:02.359 --> 00:22:07.599 Brian Albert. Right. But Higgins, he's a fake. He's he's 365 00:22:08.160 --> 00:22:11.039 a wanna be. He's a Tagalon right. I mean, just 366 00:22:11.079 --> 00:22:13.559 look at him. He looks like one of the characters 367 00:22:13.599 --> 00:22:15.559 from Spanking in Our Gang. I mean, let's face it, 368 00:22:15.640 --> 00:22:19.119 he's one of the characters. I'm sorry, I mean that's 369 00:22:19.119 --> 00:22:19.960 the way I look at him. 370 00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:20.079 Man. 371 00:22:20.119 --> 00:22:21.960 You know, I know people who know him. I know 372 00:22:22.079 --> 00:22:26.559 people he's dated. He's got a very great impression of himself. 373 00:22:27.480 --> 00:22:30.240 But he doesn't have the asked to. He doesn't have 374 00:22:30.359 --> 00:22:33.359 the ask that Brian Albert does. He's just a Tagalin, 375 00:22:33.759 --> 00:22:36.200 that's it. He's got a badge and a gun. He's 376 00:22:36.240 --> 00:22:39.200 got a prestigious position, but he's a Tagalon, that's it. 377 00:22:39.559 --> 00:22:41.279 You know. You know who they are, you know how 378 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:44.440 they are. DJ We've seen him many times before. 379 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:49.039 Yep. People that they're not the quiet professionals that you know. 380 00:22:49.160 --> 00:22:52.559 In AFSC we say that we're quiet professionals and some 381 00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:55.240 people just didn't act that way. They wanted to try to, 382 00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:57.759 you know, be tough and be cool and try to 383 00:22:58.279 --> 00:23:05.640 fake themselves. Would you have if you were John O'Keefe 384 00:23:06.079 --> 00:23:09.039 and Brian Higgins was staring you down like that and 385 00:23:09.160 --> 00:23:10.960 you were in John shoes and that you were there 386 00:23:11.000 --> 00:23:13.359 and your girlfriend, would you have wanted to go to 387 00:23:13.440 --> 00:23:16.480 the house to show him I'm not afraid of you. Yeah, 388 00:23:16.640 --> 00:23:19.880 you're texting me actually. 389 00:23:19.680 --> 00:23:23.519 Coming right coming, And I probably would have told If 390 00:23:23.559 --> 00:23:26.440 I was John, I would have probably told Karen go home, 391 00:23:26.720 --> 00:23:29.119 I'm going to take care of this. Now we're assuming, 392 00:23:29.480 --> 00:23:35.839 we're speculating that certain things were out, We had no doubt. Listen, 393 00:23:35.960 --> 00:23:39.440 Karen wanted to eat. She said she was starved, right. 394 00:23:40.039 --> 00:23:42.319 She wanted Chris to open up the ovens because they 395 00:23:42.359 --> 00:23:45.799 had done it before. I guess these guys because it's, 396 00:23:45.880 --> 00:23:48.920 you know, after Jennery first around this special diet. But 397 00:23:49.039 --> 00:23:54.279 yet they're eating potato skins and slamming down beers and vodkas. 398 00:23:54.359 --> 00:23:58.720 I mean, come on, right, yeah, So Chris goes, ah, 399 00:23:59.160 --> 00:24:01.200 I'm not going to open up the ovens. But the 400 00:24:01.279 --> 00:24:06.279 thing is, if if I was always of the impression 401 00:24:06.839 --> 00:24:09.839 right that it was not a lure job, i'd have 402 00:24:09.920 --> 00:24:12.359 to see in this video. I have a whole different, 403 00:24:13.160 --> 00:24:16.039 whole different outlook on because of that video. 404 00:24:16.519 --> 00:24:19.920 Okay, So even if we end Courtney, I'm gonna get 405 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:22.240 you in here next on this, Even if we split 406 00:24:22.319 --> 00:24:25.039 it down the middle and it's ambiguous whether or not 407 00:24:25.160 --> 00:24:28.480 it was a lure job or not in John's mind. 408 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:30.960 The reason I ask you that question is if he 409 00:24:31.079 --> 00:24:33.400 sees this guy eyeballing him and there's a little bit 410 00:24:33.440 --> 00:24:36.799 of Ali's shuffle and Higgins is there, he doesn't have 411 00:24:36.920 --> 00:24:41.519 a girl, he's drunk, and now he's pissed because they're 412 00:24:41.599 --> 00:24:43.519 those guys and you guys in the in the chat, 413 00:24:43.599 --> 00:24:46.440 you know this, that person at the bar that's looking 414 00:24:46.519 --> 00:24:48.400 at that girl over there, he wishes he was with 415 00:24:48.559 --> 00:24:51.200 her and he's not whether you're with her, so you 416 00:24:51.279 --> 00:24:54.680 know what, he wants to kick your ass, right exactly, 417 00:24:54.720 --> 00:24:58.519 and that so that gets the stare down. So I'm 418 00:24:58.559 --> 00:25:02.119 trying to establish why wanted to go there? Why did 419 00:25:02.200 --> 00:25:04.319 he want to go to this house? And the only 420 00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:06.000 thing I can come up with, based on what you 421 00:25:06.519 --> 00:25:10.480 highlighted there, is that he wanted to show them I'm 422 00:25:10.519 --> 00:25:11.319 not afraid of. 423 00:25:11.359 --> 00:25:15.640 You guys, right and like I said, John looking at 424 00:25:15.920 --> 00:25:19.319 like looking at him, how he was at Let's see 425 00:25:19.319 --> 00:25:22.119 if McCarthy's you know this. John seemed to be a 426 00:25:22.279 --> 00:25:25.640 very quiet, I'm not in your face type of guy. 427 00:25:25.920 --> 00:25:29.119 Not that that he was docile, it's just that he can't. 428 00:25:29.200 --> 00:25:32.799 He was very secure as a man, all right. He 429 00:25:32.880 --> 00:25:35.720 didn't have to be boisterous. He didn't have to be like, 430 00:25:35.880 --> 00:25:38.559 yeah I'm gonna let's go yeah, yeah, rush rush, you know, 431 00:25:38.720 --> 00:25:42.119 let's let's go have some playfight here. Whatever the hell 432 00:25:42.200 --> 00:25:45.279 these two, those two knitwit's were doing right at the bar. 433 00:25:45.799 --> 00:25:51.480 But John seemed to be a very secure guy, no 434 00:25:51.680 --> 00:25:54.440 bones about it, no bullshit, right, sit down, have it. 435 00:25:54.599 --> 00:25:58.279 He was always scolping, like most cops. He was sculping 436 00:25:58.359 --> 00:26:01.519 the area he was, he was working the floor, he 437 00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.359 was at the let's see if McCarthy should looking at 438 00:26:04.400 --> 00:26:06.640 the front door. One of these things I was picking 439 00:26:06.720 --> 00:26:08.039 up in him and one of the things that I 440 00:26:08.279 --> 00:26:12.160 myself do even today. You know, my wife loves to 441 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:14.680 mess with me. She always gets the she always gets 442 00:26:14.720 --> 00:26:16.960 the table facing the door on purpose. But you know, 443 00:26:17.519 --> 00:26:20.799 so you can't watch it. She does it on purpose, 444 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:24.000 She does it. She loves messing with me. Especially you 445 00:26:24.079 --> 00:26:28.480 know now, so but no, and then and then when 446 00:26:30.039 --> 00:26:33.799 they John and Karen move over to unfriendly waters. Let's 447 00:26:33.799 --> 00:26:36.599 face it, you know, he's an outsider. He's going in 448 00:26:36.720 --> 00:26:39.599 with the sharks, right, and where's he positioned himself to 449 00:26:39.720 --> 00:26:41.880 the back of the bar, and he's watching everyone else. 450 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:46.160 He's behind all the sharks, he's behind the women, he's 451 00:26:46.240 --> 00:26:50.359 behind the guys, and he's watching. He's going even further 452 00:26:50.480 --> 00:26:54.240 back to the side of the bar. He's watching, right. 453 00:26:54.440 --> 00:26:57.079 I picked that up. I kept watching, I kept rewinding, 454 00:26:57.519 --> 00:27:01.480 you know, the long crime video. He's always watching, right, 455 00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:05.200 So something my, a little bit of his intent might 456 00:27:05.240 --> 00:27:07.039 have been up. Hey, now here's the other thing. Karen 457 00:27:07.079 --> 00:27:09.319 had a few pops maybe she said, look at this 458 00:27:09.720 --> 00:27:13.160 knit what he's texting me? Well, hey, by the way, 459 00:27:13.319 --> 00:27:18.440 that is a classic Higgins text. You have no many DearS, 460 00:27:19.240 --> 00:27:21.920 you have no many no idea. How many women who 461 00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:24.720 had dated this guy said that's him? He always says, 462 00:27:25.920 --> 00:27:28.599 I mean, what a what a great order, what a 463 00:27:28.920 --> 00:27:29.480 great speaker? 464 00:27:29.559 --> 00:27:29.960 He must be? 465 00:27:30.319 --> 00:27:34.960 Yeah, you know, and you know so yeah, So anyways, 466 00:27:35.200 --> 00:27:38.480 John was definitely and he had a couple of pops too. 467 00:27:38.559 --> 00:27:41.880 Let's face it, he was definitely on alert, you know, 468 00:27:42.440 --> 00:27:45.880 because he wasn't in friendly territory. He hadn't known Brian 469 00:27:45.920 --> 00:27:48.519 Albert much at all. I think he had met him 470 00:27:48.680 --> 00:27:52.000 for the first time six days prior to that night. 471 00:27:53.640 --> 00:27:56.680 Parent took a photo of John, Chris, and some other 472 00:27:56.759 --> 00:28:00.240 guy at the hillside six days before that night. Okay, 473 00:28:01.440 --> 00:28:04.319 you know, John knew Chris. He knew Julie because they 474 00:28:04.359 --> 00:28:06.240 were neighbors. I don't know how much they knew, but 475 00:28:06.359 --> 00:28:11.240 you know, and Karen seemed to be very gracious. She 476 00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:16.039 was popping around, you know, but John was reserved and 477 00:28:16.160 --> 00:28:19.839 he was looking. But when that, you know, towards eleven 478 00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:24.400 fifty five, towards the twelve o'clock hour, something was exchanged 479 00:28:24.480 --> 00:28:29.519 between Higgins and John. Unfortunately. You know, maybe if they 480 00:28:29.559 --> 00:28:32.680 asked the band the guy everyone wants to know, who's 481 00:28:32.720 --> 00:28:36.079 that older guy walking by. He's one of the band guys. 482 00:28:36.160 --> 00:28:38.240 There was a band there. I don't know if he 483 00:28:38.319 --> 00:28:40.799 was the drummer or the bass guy, but you know, 484 00:28:40.880 --> 00:28:42.880 maybe someone should ask him because he was right there. 485 00:28:42.920 --> 00:28:45.319 He was listening. He was listening to what Chris had. 486 00:28:45.359 --> 00:28:46.799 As a matter of fact, this guy had to do 487 00:28:46.920 --> 00:28:52.559 a b line around around Chris and Brian and Brian Albert. 488 00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.559 So maybe someone remembers maybe, you know, people remember things 489 00:28:56.640 --> 00:28:58.960 that they see it visually. Oh yeah, I remember those 490 00:28:59.000 --> 00:29:03.200 two trying to calm this guy down. Brian Higgins Pribance, Hey, 491 00:29:03.240 --> 00:29:05.400 fuck you, motherfucker. You come with me, bitch, you know 492 00:29:05.720 --> 00:29:09.960 something will remember that. Hey listen, I've been there a 493 00:29:10.039 --> 00:29:12.359 million times. I've seen it all. I've seen it. I've 494 00:29:12.400 --> 00:29:15.720 seen it done in Spanish, I've seen it done everywhere. 495 00:29:15.920 --> 00:29:19.960 And you just don't You don't forget the body language. 496 00:29:20.279 --> 00:29:22.599 You don't have to have the words. You just exed 497 00:29:22.720 --> 00:29:24.039 that body language. 498 00:29:23.799 --> 00:29:27.559 Exactly did We don't have the resolution to see that eyeballing, 499 00:29:27.680 --> 00:29:29.599 but we can definitely see that, like you said, the 500 00:29:29.640 --> 00:29:33.000 body language. And thank you so much for your your grace. 501 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:36.759 That's the evening and for your blessing. That's beautiful. Uh 502 00:29:37.519 --> 00:29:39.680 read this one, Courtney, and then you get your question 503 00:29:39.759 --> 00:29:40.640 as Sean, please. 504 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:44.200 Thank you for this coverage. We love Sean and want 505 00:29:44.400 --> 00:29:47.119 justice for Karen. Reading Officer John O'Keefe. 506 00:29:47.599 --> 00:29:51.240 Oh beautiful, the great white shark chasing Brian Albert through 507 00:29:51.279 --> 00:29:51.559 the water. 508 00:29:53.720 --> 00:29:58.640 So listen real quick. So now if you remember the 509 00:29:59.480 --> 00:30:04.400 Greek the wife her testimony, now becomes very important. Okay, 510 00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:10.559 her testimony is that Brian, No, no, there was cocka 511 00:30:10.599 --> 00:30:14.960 wakas I listen, I'm gonna ho these names. Okay, there 512 00:30:15.079 --> 00:30:17.039 was too. There was a couple they testified a trial 513 00:30:17.519 --> 00:30:22.960 and the wife of the of the they were Greek. 514 00:30:23.119 --> 00:30:26.720 They were Greek. They were part of the basketball. Well 515 00:30:27.039 --> 00:30:33.039 she testified. She said, listen. Jen McCabe was telling Karen, no, Jen, 516 00:30:33.240 --> 00:30:36.720 you come with me, all right, I have a surprise 517 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:40.480 for you. She was trying. Yeah, Karina got boy, Michael, 518 00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:43.079 thank you so much. And Michael does a great impression 519 00:30:43.119 --> 00:30:44.440 of me. I don't know if you know goat boy. 520 00:30:44.960 --> 00:30:46.759 He's in the goat boy. 521 00:30:46.839 --> 00:30:48.880 All right, I will have you on to do an 522 00:30:48.880 --> 00:30:52.720 impression of Sean, so please dm me on Twitter. 523 00:30:52.839 --> 00:30:54.680 I would love to have you on to Doe. 524 00:30:55.240 --> 00:30:56.319 I love how Sean talks. 525 00:30:56.400 --> 00:31:00.279 So yes, he did, he did, and he even does 526 00:31:00.359 --> 00:31:04.920 Kevin Lenahan much better. But no, getting back to Carina Cucolaca. 527 00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:14.079 So you know, yes, Amanda, Amanda's great, Amanda's incredible. So 528 00:31:15.480 --> 00:31:19.000 her testimony now even makes it better. They were definitely 529 00:31:19.079 --> 00:31:23.640 trying to separate Karen from John. Okay, now John had 530 00:31:23.720 --> 00:31:26.480 no car It was Karen had the car, So John 531 00:31:26.640 --> 00:31:29.279 was gonna have to get arrived by those knuckleheads and Jen, 532 00:31:30.400 --> 00:31:33.200 I guess was gonna I guess was gonna go with Karen. 533 00:31:34.480 --> 00:31:38.400 That that really makes sense. And the quote was and 534 00:31:38.519 --> 00:31:41.920 she was very credible. Oh no, you're gonna have to 535 00:31:41.960 --> 00:31:44.400 come with me. I have a surprise. I have a surprise, 536 00:31:44.599 --> 00:31:48.200 like trying to entice Karen. And you know, like Jen said, 537 00:31:48.839 --> 00:31:52.200 if you remember the guest I had on Joan, right, 538 00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:56.519 that was a great jen Her forte was, I can 539 00:31:56.599 --> 00:31:57.759 get anybody to. 540 00:31:57.839 --> 00:32:03.359 Do to everybody I want. Yes, she's very persuasive or manipulative, 541 00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:04.160 depending upon. 542 00:32:04.079 --> 00:32:06.720 Your evil genius. 543 00:32:07.039 --> 00:32:10.400 All right, yeah, so if she if she rides with 544 00:32:10.720 --> 00:32:13.960 if she rides with John and Karen, John still alive. No, 545 00:32:14.200 --> 00:32:16.200 potentially or at least she can't be framed. 546 00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:19.279 You want to separate John, Remember John didn't have a vehicle. 547 00:32:19.440 --> 00:32:24.160 She wanted Karen to separate from John and John go 548 00:32:24.279 --> 00:32:30.559 with the boys. Oh wow, wow, Okay, Jen was gonna 549 00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:34.240 jump in in Karen's car and give it this little surprise. 550 00:32:34.440 --> 00:32:36.680 There was there was a there was there was a plan. 551 00:32:37.359 --> 00:32:41.960 There was some kind of plan. So I mean this thing, 552 00:32:42.319 --> 00:32:46.680 I'll tell you DJ and Courtney. This case never ends. 553 00:32:47.359 --> 00:32:50.119 It just when you think you can exhale and take 554 00:32:50.119 --> 00:32:53.839 a break, something else pops up. It's It's truly amazing. 555 00:32:54.440 --> 00:32:57.759 Yuri shows up at somebody's house asking why they called 556 00:32:58.000 --> 00:33:00.839 Jen McKay a year ago. Yeah, I'm like, is this 557 00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:02.920 happening right now? And he's being filmed. Let me get 558 00:33:03.000 --> 00:33:05.759 Courtney in here, because Courtney's been trying to spend the 559 00:33:05.880 --> 00:33:08.079 last twenty four hours to get up to speed. She 560 00:33:08.279 --> 00:33:12.079 graciously jumped into the case so she could join and 561 00:33:13.599 --> 00:33:15.640 join me in this interview. So go ahead, Courtney. 562 00:33:16.759 --> 00:33:18.440 Well, first of all, I want to say I've been 563 00:33:18.519 --> 00:33:21.880 reading a lot about John O'Keefe everything I can because 564 00:33:22.240 --> 00:33:25.200 of what happened to him, and trying to read as 565 00:33:25.279 --> 00:33:27.599 much as I can about the family statements and people 566 00:33:27.640 --> 00:33:30.200 who knew him, because most of the case is about 567 00:33:30.640 --> 00:33:32.960 what happened in the mistrial and what led up to it. 568 00:33:33.119 --> 00:33:38.039 So I was struggling to find a potential motive. Sean, 569 00:33:38.160 --> 00:33:40.400 what have you found in terms of a motive? 570 00:33:42.319 --> 00:33:47.759 That's what I'm saying. Until this video surface, I didn't 571 00:33:47.799 --> 00:33:51.920 really think there was a motive. My original thought was, okay, 572 00:33:53.799 --> 00:33:56.839 like myself, the party never ended for me. If there 573 00:33:56.920 --> 00:33:58.720 was the last call to be had, I was there 574 00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:03.039 if it was, if there was like a whatever, you know, 575 00:34:03.279 --> 00:34:06.319 I didn't want the party to stop. And when Brian 576 00:34:06.880 --> 00:34:10.800 extended this invite, right, you know, I probably thought that, okay, 577 00:34:11.079 --> 00:34:15.360 you know, since Karen wanted to eat, right, she wasn't 578 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:18.440 willing to go home that quickly. And then they decided 579 00:34:18.480 --> 00:34:21.239 to shut the ovens, you know, that idea off. So 580 00:34:21.360 --> 00:34:24.639 everyone's heading over to John's house, I mean to Brian's house, 581 00:34:24.719 --> 00:34:29.440 Brian Albert something. So my initial thought was something from 582 00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:34.400 the ride from Waterfall over the thirty four Fairview, okay, 583 00:34:35.320 --> 00:34:38.920 was in fact something happened between John and Karen? Right, 584 00:34:39.239 --> 00:34:41.840 She probably said, come on, let's go. There's a snowstorm coming, 585 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:44.280 and in my understanding, if I go, I had to 586 00:34:44.360 --> 00:34:47.519 go back to my notes. I believe Karen wasn't going 587 00:34:47.599 --> 00:34:52.079 to stay with John. Karen was John's ride home. There 588 00:34:52.159 --> 00:34:55.519 was a text message that John sent to Karen when 589 00:34:55.519 --> 00:34:59.599 he was at c. F. McCarthy's that I'm depending on 590 00:34:59.719 --> 00:35:02.800 you from my ride, right, because the other guy's left, 591 00:35:03.400 --> 00:35:07.199 and so Karen eventually comes. So he's dependent on Karen 592 00:35:07.280 --> 00:35:11.800 for a ride home. And my understanding is that Karen 593 00:35:12.119 --> 00:35:14.559 was going to high tail it back to Mansfield to 594 00:35:14.679 --> 00:35:18.519 her place because of whatever, maybe because she because of 595 00:35:18.559 --> 00:35:21.599 the snowstorm and maybe whatever, and she wanted to get 596 00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:23.880 John to go home, because who's going to take care 597 00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:28.360 of the niece. I think the nephew was with other friends, 598 00:35:28.760 --> 00:35:31.880 but the niece was there with a friend, and she 599 00:35:32.000 --> 00:35:35.159 knew the friend had to go home. So Karen's being 600 00:35:35.199 --> 00:35:37.559 the mother and John's kind of saying, well, I can 601 00:35:37.639 --> 00:35:39.360 go for a couple more beers, you go home and 602 00:35:39.400 --> 00:35:42.800 I'll meet you afterwards. I'll get a right whatever. And 603 00:35:42.920 --> 00:35:46.400 that didn't happen. So that's what that was always my theory. 604 00:35:46.519 --> 00:35:51.280 Now this other thing with the with the the standoff 605 00:35:51.360 --> 00:35:55.800 between Brian Higgins and John, well, that then throws a 606 00:35:55.840 --> 00:35:59.119 monkey wrench because it now gives credence as to why 607 00:35:59.239 --> 00:36:03.880 Jen McKay said, Karen, you come with me, I'll go 608 00:36:04.039 --> 00:36:08.000 with you, like she wants to separate John from the crowd, 609 00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:12.000 from from from I'm sorry, from Karen and let John 610 00:36:12.079 --> 00:36:14.480 go with the boys. Whether I believe it was going 611 00:36:14.559 --> 00:36:17.760 to be with Brian and Nicole or somebody or maybe Higgins, 612 00:36:17.840 --> 00:36:21.920 who knows, who knows if if Matt McKay was going 613 00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:25.920 to give Brian Albert's car wife a ride in his car. 614 00:36:26.000 --> 00:36:30.039 Who knows something. There was a definite plan now to 615 00:36:30.199 --> 00:36:33.679 me now thinking about this and going over it, there 616 00:36:33.800 --> 00:36:37.440 was a definite plan on their part. But Karen didn't bite. 617 00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:40.880 She didn't bite, so she ended up bringing John there. 618 00:36:41.559 --> 00:36:44.599 And I guess there might have been some discussion, heavy 619 00:36:44.639 --> 00:36:47.679 discussions in the car. But you know, the motive could 620 00:36:47.760 --> 00:36:49.199 be something to do with Higgins. 621 00:36:50.239 --> 00:36:52.360 Okay, I heard you guys talking about Higgins, and I 622 00:36:52.440 --> 00:36:55.559 read about Higgins, and I have another question for you, Sean, 623 00:36:55.679 --> 00:36:58.639 because I want to see if this psychology matches, because 624 00:36:58.679 --> 00:37:02.239 it looked like John was responsible. There had been some 625 00:37:02.400 --> 00:37:05.239 tragedies in his family. He became a guardian for his 626 00:37:06.119 --> 00:37:09.800 niece and nephew, and why would he have made the 627 00:37:09.920 --> 00:37:12.519 decisions to stay out later and go to a potential 628 00:37:12.599 --> 00:37:16.679 house party when he's the responsible adult for these young 629 00:37:16.840 --> 00:37:19.159 children that he's a guardian for. That's another thing that 630 00:37:19.239 --> 00:37:21.239 didn't make make sense to me, because he seems like 631 00:37:21.280 --> 00:37:24.079 a responsible guy. He cares about the kids. Why would 632 00:37:24.119 --> 00:37:26.159 he go out and drink late at night like this 633 00:37:26.360 --> 00:37:27.239 rather than going home? 634 00:37:28.199 --> 00:37:31.400 So on the first theory I had. Maybe he just 635 00:37:31.480 --> 00:37:34.679 wanted because he just basically met Brian Albert for the 636 00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:38.199 first time, and maybe he felt maybe I can you know, 637 00:37:39.239 --> 00:37:42.599 he invited me to his house. Maybe I can gratiate myself. 638 00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:46.079 Maybe I want another beer. Maybe you know, Karen could 639 00:37:46.079 --> 00:37:48.559 come in. We'll have a few beers. We'll get right home. 640 00:37:48.639 --> 00:37:51.880 You know, a nightcap, like a nightcap, right, I was 641 00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:56.440 great for nightcaps anyways. But this other thing, it might 642 00:37:56.480 --> 00:37:59.760 have been more motive where he said to Karen, fuck 643 00:37:59.800 --> 00:38:02.400 this guy. I'm going in there and tune this guy up, 644 00:38:02.840 --> 00:38:05.039 or see what the hell he wants. Maybe I don't 645 00:38:05.079 --> 00:38:09.039 think John had the I don't think John had the 646 00:38:09.519 --> 00:38:12.519 intention of fighting everyone. I think he wanted to call 647 00:38:12.639 --> 00:38:17.039 out pagans, say what's up? What are you doing? One 648 00:38:17.119 --> 00:38:22.599 thing in either theory, in either scenario, Okay, John definitely 649 00:38:23.639 --> 00:38:27.039 had some He was he had some anger in him, 650 00:38:27.119 --> 00:38:29.719 whether it was from the an argument he had a Karen, 651 00:38:30.119 --> 00:38:32.159 or if he had an argument, or he had some 652 00:38:32.360 --> 00:38:35.559 questions and he was pissed off about Brian. And the 653 00:38:35.679 --> 00:38:40.280 one thing about the psychology about Brian Albert. Okay, who 654 00:38:40.360 --> 00:38:43.719 has been known to beat up many many cops in 655 00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:48.719 public off duty while drinking. Brian Albert can smell blood 656 00:38:48.960 --> 00:38:52.079 and he can smell aggression. He's like one of these dogs. 657 00:38:52.119 --> 00:38:55.159 I'm telling you, when he's drinking, he's on high alert. 658 00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:59.760 He's on high vicious alert. And I believe no matter 659 00:39:00.239 --> 00:39:03.840 what the motive, I mean, what the scenario is, John 660 00:39:03.920 --> 00:39:09.800 walked in agitated, and when an attack dog sees agitation 661 00:39:10.079 --> 00:39:13.840 or adrenaline, right, that attack dog is going to attack. 662 00:39:14.559 --> 00:39:18.519 And I believe Brian. Maybe I don't think Higgins had 663 00:39:18.559 --> 00:39:21.239 the cajones to go after John. I just don't think 664 00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:25.360 he's that guy. But I believe Brian stood up to 665 00:39:25.440 --> 00:39:29.360 John right, and I believe the other. Listen, We've had 666 00:39:29.400 --> 00:39:32.599 a lot of talk about Colin during the summer, all right. 667 00:39:33.079 --> 00:39:37.800 We had information about Brian putting Colin in the house 668 00:39:38.400 --> 00:39:43.960 with Brian. We have Steve Scanlon who tipped off Yanettie 669 00:39:44.239 --> 00:39:49.400 saying the beating was between the nephew and Brian Albert 670 00:39:50.039 --> 00:39:54.599 right down the basement. Everything's pointing to that. Now, whatever 671 00:39:54.880 --> 00:39:58.119 why John went in, it's anybody's guests at this time. 672 00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:00.559 You guys, hear me. 673 00:40:00.679 --> 00:40:01.480 How is that any better? 674 00:40:01.639 --> 00:40:04.639 Yes, yes, my mic volume. 675 00:40:04.800 --> 00:40:07.000 I just have one more question DJ for Sean. 676 00:40:08.960 --> 00:40:09.800 Watch Courtney. 677 00:40:10.280 --> 00:40:12.920 One of the things that's really disturbing to me is 678 00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:19.440 the the inconsistencies around his body and the marks and 679 00:40:19.679 --> 00:40:23.119 the dog bite and some of this. How can the 680 00:40:23.719 --> 00:40:31.679 prosecution in their case basically have a defense against this 681 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:34.760 because it's obviously not consistent with the car backing up 682 00:40:34.840 --> 00:40:37.480 over him. Potentially, when you're looking at the lacerations on 683 00:40:37.559 --> 00:40:40.159 his arm, what do you think about his actual injuries 684 00:40:41.159 --> 00:40:45.760 versus the defense that there was a car the prosecution 685 00:40:45.880 --> 00:40:46.400 that there's. 686 00:40:47.320 --> 00:40:52.320 Listen, I am fully convinced, all right, that the beating 687 00:40:52.800 --> 00:40:56.559 and the murder took place inside thirty four Fairview, all right, 688 00:40:56.920 --> 00:41:01.119 I believe because of certain documents I do have early 689 00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:05.599 on in from March of twenty twenty two, Karen knew 690 00:41:06.320 --> 00:41:10.480 who killed John, they knew what happened, and they knew 691 00:41:10.840 --> 00:41:14.559 how the District Attorney's office was framing her. That was 692 00:41:14.719 --> 00:41:19.000 March of twenty twenty two, not too long after John's death. 693 00:41:20.599 --> 00:41:26.480 The part about why, okay, it makes no sense, is 694 00:41:26.559 --> 00:41:29.320 it because they had to come up with a theory 695 00:41:29.719 --> 00:41:32.599 they had to to make to make the charges stick 696 00:41:32.960 --> 00:41:35.480 on Karen. They had to come up with a theory, 697 00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:39.880 and the theory basically was okay, she backed into John. 698 00:41:40.159 --> 00:41:45.199 Because here's the thing, this was, this was an investigation 699 00:41:45.519 --> 00:41:50.639 that was done backwards. Right, they fingered Karen at first. Right, 700 00:41:51.239 --> 00:41:53.840 they just had to go and find the evidence because originally, 701 00:41:54.400 --> 00:41:59.880 originally Karen, you know, was was not, I believe, not 702 00:42:00.280 --> 00:42:03.599 supposed to be the one to find John. I believe 703 00:42:04.400 --> 00:42:07.079 from certain things that we uncovered, there was maybe two 704 00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:11.559 or three attempts where there was calls being made that 705 00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:16.159 there's a pedestrian down on Fairview. I believe they wanted 706 00:42:16.199 --> 00:42:18.119 to make it look like an accident, like he got 707 00:42:18.199 --> 00:42:23.280 hit by a plow, and that would have definitely flown 708 00:42:23.920 --> 00:42:26.960 with the police, because in any case, they didn't want 709 00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.679 to do this in case to begin with, all right, 710 00:42:29.000 --> 00:42:31.800 if they were going to do a frame job on Karen, well, 711 00:42:31.840 --> 00:42:33.639 that would have been a lot easier to say, oh 712 00:42:33.679 --> 00:42:36.320 my god, it's a tragic accident, we don't know who 713 00:42:36.400 --> 00:42:39.480 did it. Poor John's dead, and we go home it 714 00:42:39.599 --> 00:42:43.280 was an accident, and then the killers walk away. But 715 00:42:43.679 --> 00:42:49.039 as it turns out, nobody responded. Nobody responded when Carrie 716 00:42:49.159 --> 00:42:52.480 Roberts called local hospitals and talked of the dispatcher at 717 00:42:52.519 --> 00:42:55.599 Canton PD at four. I believe it was four fifty 718 00:42:55.639 --> 00:42:58.400 three in the morning. Somewhere around five. She said, hey, listen, 719 00:43:00.039 --> 00:43:03.440 o'keith is missing. She told this to Sean Good. He 720 00:43:03.599 --> 00:43:06.760 took the call. Sean, I mean John o'keef is missing. 721 00:43:07.559 --> 00:43:10.960 He was at thirty four Fairview. You know, did someone 722 00:43:11.079 --> 00:43:14.440 tell Kerry to call? I mean she did the right thing. 723 00:43:15.199 --> 00:43:17.480 But maybe that was an attempt to get the Canton 724 00:43:17.519 --> 00:43:22.079 cops come out and make an inverted inavertent discovery. And 725 00:43:22.159 --> 00:43:25.159 that would have been another attempt. But then when Karen 726 00:43:25.239 --> 00:43:29.159 comes and they delay her an hour, right because there 727 00:43:29.239 --> 00:43:31.800 was back and forth? What there was no reason why 728 00:43:31.880 --> 00:43:35.119 they didn't go directly from Jen McCabe sauce directly to 729 00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:39.960 John O'Keeffe's, I mean to Brian Albert. Instead they went 730 00:43:40.159 --> 00:43:43.599 all the way over back to John sauce. Then these 731 00:43:43.719 --> 00:43:48.960 could have clearly called Jen McCabe had John come home. 732 00:43:49.159 --> 00:43:52.119 Their reason was, well, maybe John came home in the 733 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:57.159 midst of Karen driving together. Jen mccab's, I know where 734 00:43:57.280 --> 00:43:59.920 Jen lives and I know where thirty four Fairview is. 735 00:44:00.199 --> 00:44:02.679 The logical route to find John was get back to 736 00:44:02.800 --> 00:44:06.119 where your last saw him. Anytime you do a search 737 00:44:06.239 --> 00:44:08.199 you go back to where you last saw the person, 738 00:44:09.239 --> 00:44:11.800 not where you not where you hoped him to be, 739 00:44:12.360 --> 00:44:15.440 where you last saw and then you do your search. Right. 740 00:44:16.400 --> 00:44:19.280 So a lot of things here that are kind of crazy. 741 00:44:19.400 --> 00:44:23.960 But like I said, I believe you know that they 742 00:44:24.440 --> 00:44:26.880 framed her based on her own statements, Let's face it. 743 00:44:27.440 --> 00:44:30.199 And when they had the friends and family meeting, it 744 00:44:30.320 --> 00:44:32.800 became a lot easier. Let's just do her and let's 745 00:44:32.800 --> 00:44:35.119 get the evidence and we'll frame her. We'll plant it 746 00:44:35.199 --> 00:44:36.559 and then we'll make it easy for them. 747 00:44:37.000 --> 00:44:38.800 But I want to talk about I want to talk 748 00:44:38.840 --> 00:44:41.400 about that for a second, about her alleged owned statements. 749 00:44:41.440 --> 00:44:44.000 But before I do that, Nurse Kim is in the building. 750 00:44:44.199 --> 00:44:46.360 How about Kim? Kim is excellent. 751 00:44:46.880 --> 00:44:49.760 Yes, I've reached out to you on Twitter, DM Kim. 752 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:52.159 We would like to have you as our next guest 753 00:44:52.639 --> 00:44:56.000 about on the show, So please look for one from 754 00:44:56.119 --> 00:44:59.679 call Underscore All Underscore Beings. That's me one gets you 755 00:44:59.760 --> 00:45:02.800 on here a homegirl because you are a total o G. 756 00:45:03.320 --> 00:45:05.039 You're g like a little like Sean. 757 00:45:05.480 --> 00:45:07.559 All right, let me ask you a question. Is am 758 00:45:07.599 --> 00:45:12.920 I the first like carolee guest? Yes? Oh wow, that's 759 00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:14.239 an honor for me, that's beautiful. 760 00:45:14.320 --> 00:45:18.480 It's an honor for right the top guy. But we'd 761 00:45:18.559 --> 00:45:19.960 like to have a bunch of you on. So if 762 00:45:20.199 --> 00:45:21.639 some of you were out there and you want to 763 00:45:21.679 --> 00:45:24.239 come on and talk about this, we would like to 764 00:45:24.320 --> 00:45:26.760 have you on to do so. And like I said, 765 00:45:26.800 --> 00:45:31.760 I've reached out to Nurse Kim, Mike Crawford, mas of Media, 766 00:45:33.039 --> 00:45:36.119 Sean and Nurse Kim. Yeah, those are the only ones 767 00:45:36.159 --> 00:45:39.519 that I've reached out to thus far, but others. Yeah, okay, 768 00:45:40.159 --> 00:45:43.760 this is right. So here's here's my question. We were 769 00:45:43.800 --> 00:45:46.760 going to work methodically through this, but we've this train 770 00:45:46.800 --> 00:45:48.719 has already gone off the tracks, but we're going to 771 00:45:48.800 --> 00:45:50.880 try to reroute it like that. 772 00:45:51.039 --> 00:45:51.360 Of course. 773 00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:57.280 So I'm Sean. I believe those are alleged statements. I 774 00:45:57.400 --> 00:46:00.760 don't know that has she ever admitted that she said 775 00:46:01.239 --> 00:46:02.760 I hit him, I hit him, I hit him. No. 776 00:46:03.000 --> 00:46:04.400 I believe those are alleged. 777 00:46:04.920 --> 00:46:07.920 Those alleged, and they come from one source only, one 778 00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:12.280 source only, and none of those ems people ever wrote 779 00:46:12.320 --> 00:46:14.960 it down or you think you would think, now it's 780 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.360 an important statement. Okay, Uh, that one cop saraph all right, 781 00:46:20.159 --> 00:46:23.760 he's saying I did I hit him? If they're saying, 782 00:46:23.960 --> 00:46:28.039 I if this Sarah is saying, as a police officer 783 00:46:28.360 --> 00:46:31.559 right that he heard her say I may have hit him? 784 00:46:31.599 --> 00:46:33.840 Did I hit him? Right? You have a you're almost 785 00:46:33.920 --> 00:46:38.360 duty bound to make an arrest. No, yeah, as cops 786 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:41.760 are right. These cops are getting off on the midnight shift. 787 00:46:42.159 --> 00:46:46.679 Trust me, these guys who do nothing. The last thing 788 00:46:46.760 --> 00:46:49.599 they wanted was to arrest some of for homicide or 789 00:46:49.760 --> 00:46:53.119 some kind of fatal accident on when they could have 790 00:46:53.159 --> 00:46:57.360 been going home because an emerging snowstorm blizzard is coming 791 00:46:57.440 --> 00:47:00.119 down the path. So there's a lot of facts. A 792 00:47:00.199 --> 00:47:02.679 lot of people didn't do their job. A lot of 793 00:47:02.719 --> 00:47:06.840 people extinguished the memory of John O'Keefe and they didn't 794 00:47:06.880 --> 00:47:09.000 do anything for him. They could have had this whole 795 00:47:09.079 --> 00:47:12.360 thing tied up if if they were saying all those statements, 796 00:47:12.599 --> 00:47:15.320 they were duty bound to arrest her. Why didn't they 797 00:47:16.719 --> 00:47:20.920 He wasn't allegedly dead at the time those statements were made. 798 00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:25.360 That Sarah or that mulaney all right should have made 799 00:47:25.360 --> 00:47:26.920 an arrest right then and there. 800 00:47:27.480 --> 00:47:31.320 Well, according to your an our friend Turtle Boy, the 801 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:34.519 legendary one, he said that not one of the can 802 00:47:34.599 --> 00:47:37.599 and I have a super chat aunt BB two. We're 803 00:47:37.639 --> 00:47:39.760 going to get to you right after this, so thank 804 00:47:39.840 --> 00:47:43.039 you so much for that blessing of twenty That is amazing. 805 00:47:43.199 --> 00:47:49.320 I'm sean They Okay, Turtle Boy has said, and maybe 806 00:47:49.360 --> 00:47:51.679 you can confirm or not confirm that none of the 807 00:47:51.800 --> 00:47:57.440 initial CAN officers that arrived on the scene, that investigated 808 00:47:57.519 --> 00:48:02.079 prior to the recusal documented that she said, and he 809 00:48:02.199 --> 00:48:05.679 made any statement like that, And my god, if you're 810 00:48:05.719 --> 00:48:10.599 an officer unseen and you have a potential, I don't 811 00:48:10.599 --> 00:48:13.000 know what would you call her at that At that point. 812 00:48:13.639 --> 00:48:17.159 She's she's making those statements. She's number one suspect, the. 813 00:48:17.320 --> 00:48:20.280 Number one, So you're telling me nobody would have written 814 00:48:20.320 --> 00:48:23.519 that down. And then it was only Jen's oh, her 815 00:48:24.280 --> 00:48:28.000 epiphany that happened. What was it three hours later at 816 00:48:28.599 --> 00:48:31.280 nine thirty. I can't remember what time she called, Oh, 817 00:48:31.440 --> 00:48:33.880 I had a memory that die. 818 00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:38.440 Right, because if you remember, and I've got the documents 819 00:48:39.719 --> 00:48:44.840 the working theory at the time before Jen at this memory. 820 00:48:45.039 --> 00:48:50.199 Epiphany, he came to me in a dream, John was. 821 00:48:50.280 --> 00:48:55.159 Hit by a cocktail glass. Okay, now they didn't know who. 822 00:48:55.960 --> 00:48:59.400 But when Brian Albert heard what the working theory was, 823 00:49:00.159 --> 00:49:02.039 face it, he's a seasoned cop. He's gonna say, they 824 00:49:02.039 --> 00:49:05.360 ain't gonna fly people. That's not gonna fly a ninety 825 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:07.880 five pound woman. Sokun Wet is not gonna be able 826 00:49:07.920 --> 00:49:10.719 to kill a six foot two guy. That's a cop. 827 00:49:11.159 --> 00:49:14.559 He knows better. Right, So that theory, that whole statement 828 00:49:14.639 --> 00:49:19.159 went from, because at ten forty five, Yuri is calling 829 00:49:20.159 --> 00:49:24.239 the hospital and the medical staff there and he's admitting 830 00:49:24.679 --> 00:49:29.280 that we're still working this as a domestic where the Deceedon. 831 00:49:29.400 --> 00:49:32.360 Now at this time John's dead. The Deceedon was struck 832 00:49:32.519 --> 00:49:36.760 by a cocktail glass. That's a ten to forty five. 833 00:49:37.239 --> 00:49:41.039 So they're still working at that. But the eleven o'clock 834 00:49:41.039 --> 00:49:44.960 eleven fifteen, now they start doing the state police interviews 835 00:49:45.360 --> 00:49:48.119 and they got the whole story down, Pat right, and 836 00:49:48.239 --> 00:49:53.559 the fact and the fact, the fact Courtney and DJ 837 00:49:54.159 --> 00:49:59.320 that the lead detectives now cops, we're all curious, right, 838 00:50:00.199 --> 00:50:03.000 you as an investigator, as a lead investigator on a 839 00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:07.840 homicide or a dangerous or whatever type of situation, you 840 00:50:08.159 --> 00:50:10.559 have to go to the crime scene. It is the 841 00:50:10.719 --> 00:50:12.400 epicenter of your investigation. 842 00:50:12.960 --> 00:50:15.639 How could you not a Boston Cops dead here. I'm 843 00:50:15.679 --> 00:50:18.440 not gonna knock on the door and people. I think 844 00:50:18.480 --> 00:50:22.119 it's disingenuous for anyone out there to refer to this 845 00:50:22.559 --> 00:50:28.280 as shoddy police work, because shady means I'm ignorant. Potentially 846 00:50:28.400 --> 00:50:32.360 I'm stupid. This was purposeful not to go and not 847 00:50:32.519 --> 00:50:35.760 and and actually Proctor's text tell you as much. The 848 00:50:35.880 --> 00:50:38.199 text where his friends, it's say they're going to catch 849 00:50:38.239 --> 00:50:41.800 and shift this. I mean he's a Boston cop. Pooh, 850 00:50:42.360 --> 00:50:45.199 I mean you have to go and knock on that 851 00:50:45.400 --> 00:50:47.960 door and say I want to look around, and if 852 00:50:48.639 --> 00:50:51.599 I will, I will post an officer here and we 853 00:50:51.679 --> 00:50:53.679 will go and get a warrant and we'll get in. 854 00:50:53.719 --> 00:50:57.440 This house like the intry standards go and as turtle 855 00:50:58.360 --> 00:51:02.719 as the initial police officers who came the first on 856 00:51:02.840 --> 00:51:05.960 the scene, instead of hanging around right as the medics 857 00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:09.400 were taking care of John, right, they should have gone 858 00:51:09.440 --> 00:51:12.679 in that house because they saw a body on the 859 00:51:12.760 --> 00:51:15.320 ground that they were told he was dropped off to 860 00:51:15.400 --> 00:51:17.800 go to a party. Whether they believe Karen or not, 861 00:51:19.280 --> 00:51:22.079 they saw a body on the ground with no coat on. 862 00:51:22.239 --> 00:51:27.800 It's eighteen degrees, no shoe, right, and beaten right at first, 863 00:51:28.079 --> 00:51:32.119 he's beaten, his head is swollen, he's got scratches on him. 864 00:51:32.559 --> 00:51:36.039 He's bleeding profusely from the back of his head. They 865 00:51:36.079 --> 00:51:39.800 were duty bound to do a protective sweep at the minimum. 866 00:51:40.639 --> 00:51:44.039 God forbid. What what if that family was killed inside there? 867 00:51:44.679 --> 00:51:48.400 Anything can happen. They didn't even do that. And I 868 00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:51.519 know back when I was a coup that was that 869 00:51:51.719 --> 00:51:55.360 was like ingrained in us. Always secure the scene, secure 870 00:51:55.440 --> 00:51:58.199 for your own protection and for the protection of other 871 00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:01.840 witnesses or are other beings? Right, you don't know what 872 00:52:01.920 --> 00:52:03.960 the hell happened inside that house. He could have had 873 00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:07.159 free bodies dead. He didn't check. And there was a 874 00:52:07.239 --> 00:52:10.159 reason for that, because that reason for the news they 875 00:52:10.280 --> 00:52:14.480 knew back off, lay off this case layoff. 876 00:52:16.719 --> 00:52:24.719 How about the homeowner? Was he polygraphed yet Albert's. 877 00:52:23.639 --> 00:52:27.159 He was according he was never even a suspect, not one. 878 00:52:27.599 --> 00:52:30.159 It wasn't until the FBI made him a suspect. 879 00:52:30.760 --> 00:52:33.400 Right, So I'm just wondering if that has happened now since. 880 00:52:33.239 --> 00:52:36.960 The end, it will never happened. It will never happen now, 881 00:52:37.800 --> 00:52:40.840 and it would And Brian's too smart. He would never 882 00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:44.639 take a polygraph. He wouldn't. I mean, I mean, he's 883 00:52:44.760 --> 00:52:45.480 just too smart. 884 00:52:46.800 --> 00:52:50.840 And yeah, and so that The reason I laughed, Courtney, 885 00:52:50.960 --> 00:52:53.400 is because they didn't even see fit to knock on 886 00:52:53.519 --> 00:52:56.519 the guy's door to say can I look around? And 887 00:52:56.719 --> 00:52:59.079 he does he does. You know people that are out 888 00:52:59.119 --> 00:53:02.920 there that are like, oh, you know, Karen Reid backed 889 00:53:02.960 --> 00:53:04.800 over this guy at twenty four miles an hour in 890 00:53:04.840 --> 00:53:10.400 the snow. You know a police officer, first responder, and 891 00:53:10.519 --> 00:53:13.079 I'm not one. I mean, I'm a military, I'm military 892 00:53:13.119 --> 00:53:16.039 aviat your background, I'm not law enforcement officer, even though 893 00:53:16.079 --> 00:53:19.880 I studied in college this they would have they would 894 00:53:20.039 --> 00:53:22.719 have run out there and said, oh my god, there's 895 00:53:22.760 --> 00:53:28.239 a brother officer on my lawn. EMS fire police that 896 00:53:28.679 --> 00:53:31.480 are right outside my bedroom window. What was it twenty 897 00:53:31.559 --> 00:53:33.360 thirty feet? I don't know if anyone can get me 898 00:53:33.400 --> 00:53:37.079 the measurements so that that front, it's quite close, right. 899 00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:40.280 And he never came outside to see what was going on, 900 00:53:40.400 --> 00:53:43.000 And that was very purposeful because if he did, they 901 00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:46.679 could start asking him questions. And he knew that Proctor 902 00:53:46.800 --> 00:53:48.239 was not going to knock on his door because of 903 00:53:48.239 --> 00:53:51.559 the family connections. Let me get to Anti Anti BB 904 00:53:51.679 --> 00:53:54.960 two Aunt BB two. Thank you so much, ma'am for 905 00:53:55.039 --> 00:53:58.039 the blessings. You are awesome, Courtney, can you read this. 906 00:53:58.119 --> 00:54:00.639 One, hi, Sean. 907 00:54:00.760 --> 00:54:04.360 Lots of us in multiple chats are wondering Ojo lost 908 00:54:04.400 --> 00:54:08.840 approximately three liters of blood and it wasn't on the lawn, 909 00:54:09.000 --> 00:54:11.039 it was in the basement. Do you know why Aja 910 00:54:11.239 --> 00:54:13.880 or Yannetti didn't bring this up and end this farce 911 00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:14.519 at the trial? 912 00:54:14.840 --> 00:54:15.159 Thank you? 913 00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:22.239 Okay. So, thinking about their old defense and the fact 914 00:54:22.239 --> 00:54:25.800 they only put six witnesses on it, I believe there 915 00:54:25.880 --> 00:54:31.440 was a barded deal between the Feds and themselves and 916 00:54:31.559 --> 00:54:34.920 it was probably one of these things where, okay, let's 917 00:54:34.920 --> 00:54:39.480 face it, their job started at four o'clock in the evening. 918 00:54:39.960 --> 00:54:42.960 They went back to that war room, okay, like all 919 00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:46.679 good attorneys do, like the prosecution, once they figured out 920 00:54:47.280 --> 00:54:50.360 that Lally was going down the road. Okay, I'm going 921 00:54:50.400 --> 00:54:53.559 to front. I'm going to beat you Jackson at your 922 00:54:53.599 --> 00:54:57.239 own game. I'm going to front the third party culpers. 923 00:54:57.320 --> 00:54:59.639 I'm going to put on Jen McCabe. I'm going to 924 00:54:59.679 --> 00:55:02.559 put on Brian Albert. I'm gonna put on Colin Albert. 925 00:55:02.639 --> 00:55:06.880 I'm gonna put on Brian. I was absolutely shocked he 926 00:55:07.039 --> 00:55:11.159 did that, okay, and it had it actually had the 927 00:55:11.280 --> 00:55:18.159 reverse effect. Okay, So why didn't why didn't they even 928 00:55:18.320 --> 00:55:22.519 ask the medical examiner, right, because we all have depends 929 00:55:22.559 --> 00:55:25.480 on your body makeup, we all have a certain amount 930 00:55:25.480 --> 00:55:27.239 of blood and not assistant. And when you go through 931 00:55:27.239 --> 00:55:30.280 an autopsy, the first thing they do is they drain you. 932 00:55:30.719 --> 00:55:32.920 They drained the blood, and they know how many leaders 933 00:55:32.920 --> 00:55:35.239 you're supposed to have, and they know how many leaders 934 00:55:35.360 --> 00:55:40.079 you had, and you're on the table, right, And that 935 00:55:40.239 --> 00:55:44.199 was one of the things that was never asked. Okay. 936 00:55:45.280 --> 00:55:49.599 I believe based on the way the defense presented their 937 00:55:49.679 --> 00:55:53.920 defense of Karen, that they just decided, okay, well, we're 938 00:55:53.960 --> 00:55:56.679 not giving up anything. We're gonna treat this as a 939 00:55:56.840 --> 00:56:01.760 simple hit and run. Beat my pay by the Department 940 00:56:01.800 --> 00:56:05.880 of Justice experts with PhDs, beat them, and that's what 941 00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:08.760 they did. They didn't have to put on anything. And 942 00:56:08.920 --> 00:56:12.360 I think it was kind of, you know, agreement, layoff, 943 00:56:12.960 --> 00:56:14.760 let us do our job. You're not going to get 944 00:56:14.800 --> 00:56:17.840 twelve people to agree, you will never And I believe 945 00:56:17.880 --> 00:56:20.559 that was the that was the thing. So why didn't 946 00:56:20.599 --> 00:56:24.159 they do it? I believe, like everything else, they gave hints, 947 00:56:24.239 --> 00:56:27.239 though they did give hints when they showed Brian. I 948 00:56:27.320 --> 00:56:31.920 think my friend Amanda, all right, we've been talking when 949 00:56:31.960 --> 00:56:35.719 they showed Brian that bulkhead. That was significant. All right, 950 00:56:36.159 --> 00:56:42.079 that means somebody, not the comwealth, somebody on the defense 951 00:56:42.159 --> 00:56:46.800 side got into that basement. Was it the FBI during 952 00:56:46.840 --> 00:56:49.559 the during the summer at this time last year? Dennis 953 00:56:49.599 --> 00:56:52.159 Sweeney knows, we all know, they all know they saw 954 00:56:52.440 --> 00:56:57.079 panel trucks out there, nondescript, no business signed with guys in, 955 00:56:57.679 --> 00:57:00.639 guys in those type of suits, right, those what do 956 00:57:00.719 --> 00:57:04.239 you call them as matt suits going in. All right, 957 00:57:05.119 --> 00:57:08.159 that's a big that's a big thing. This case is 958 00:57:08.440 --> 00:57:12.159 far from over on the federal side. On the state side, 959 00:57:12.280 --> 00:57:15.159 it's done. Let let's face it, it is done. They've 960 00:57:15.239 --> 00:57:18.519 shown their hands. They've shown their hands, okay, and now 961 00:57:18.599 --> 00:57:21.760 they can't back off. They're locked in. They're locked in 962 00:57:21.880 --> 00:57:22.519 like Houdini? 963 00:57:23.079 --> 00:57:27.760 And can I can I speak to that defense though, Sean? 964 00:57:28.079 --> 00:57:30.920 You can? I want to reference the movie eight Mile. 965 00:57:31.639 --> 00:57:34.599 Oh they would start Eminem and Kim Basinger and Maka 966 00:57:34.719 --> 00:57:39.639 Tifern and I and if you remember that movie, the 967 00:57:39.760 --> 00:57:44.079 whole thing, what what what Eminem had to do going 968 00:57:44.159 --> 00:57:47.719 into these rap battles where largely he was obviously a 969 00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:51.880 very a white wrapper wrapping against a lot of black wrappers, 970 00:57:52.000 --> 00:57:54.400 And the whole thing was to say, yeah, I know 971 00:57:54.519 --> 00:57:57.480 him white, Yeah, I know him from a trailer park. Yeah, 972 00:57:57.639 --> 00:58:00.840 I know my mom's this and yeah. So basically, you 973 00:58:01.440 --> 00:58:05.480 try to put forth all your weaknesses ahead so and 974 00:58:06.159 --> 00:58:08.599 so that that person can't throw it back at you. 975 00:58:08.719 --> 00:58:11.039 Because I've already said all these things. So if you 976 00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:13.199 say them, the audience is going to see you as 977 00:58:13.320 --> 00:58:16.079 just repeating what I said, which takes away the power 978 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:19.360 of those words. And you'll see people on Twitter do 979 00:58:19.480 --> 00:58:23.039 these kinds of things. They'll be very self deprecating. I 980 00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:26.760 know a specific content creator who's very as cerbic who 981 00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:30.320 does that, and I believe that's what exactly what Adam 982 00:58:30.400 --> 00:58:32.760 Lalley was doing. He was one of those kids watching 983 00:58:32.840 --> 00:58:35.320 eight Mile and said, I'm going to put these guys 984 00:58:35.360 --> 00:58:37.480 on the stand and show you. I'm not afraid not 985 00:58:37.639 --> 00:58:40.840 to mention the hell they're guilty as hell. Anyway, let's 986 00:58:40.880 --> 00:58:43.239 get let's get to the thing with it. 987 00:58:43.639 --> 00:58:46.599 It worked against him because the defense was able to 988 00:58:46.679 --> 00:58:49.440 discredit them. I mean, they look like, yeah, one thing 989 00:58:49.519 --> 00:58:52.400 I had to say, most of their witnesses look great. 990 00:58:53.119 --> 00:58:57.679 On direct examination. They failed miserably, which is you know, not, 991 00:58:59.400 --> 00:59:02.960 you know, not surprising. When they went on cross examination 992 00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:05.920 and they, let's face it, they beat them up big time. 993 00:59:06.440 --> 00:59:09.599 So my look at it is, Lally, you gave us everything. 994 00:59:10.800 --> 00:59:14.000 Jackson gave you nothing. He just said, Hey, I got 995 00:59:14.039 --> 00:59:17.440 the guy who's I got the medical guy from Ireland. 996 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:20.039 He's going to talk about this. I got the dog lady, 997 00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:23.679 she's going to talk about this. I got Lucky Lochran, 998 00:59:24.639 --> 00:59:31.679 beautiful lucky seeds. Nobody twice comes back sees a car 999 00:59:32.800 --> 00:59:35.400 where you should never have a car during that was 1000 00:59:35.480 --> 00:59:37.679 never there during the whole night. Why is it there 1001 00:59:37.719 --> 00:59:40.679 at three point thirty? That's beautiful? And they got the 1002 00:59:41.519 --> 00:59:45.079 celebrate guy, which it didn't wasn't needed. And then they 1003 00:59:45.159 --> 00:59:48.639 got the mac crash Daddy's from the Department of Justice, right, 1004 00:59:49.320 --> 00:59:52.360 and they they they were so good, they were so 1005 00:59:52.719 --> 00:59:56.480 comfortable in their own skin versus Trooper Paul. Come on, 1006 00:59:57.000 --> 00:59:59.800 look at the look at the disparacy, look at the difference. 1007 01:00:00.199 --> 01:00:04.360 It was yeah, yeah, you know, it was like, uh, 1008 01:00:05.119 --> 01:00:07.840 Dick Vitel once said it was like Vana White and 1009 01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:11.199 doctor Ruth in a in a bikini contest. So anyway, 1010 01:00:11.559 --> 01:00:16.079 it wasn't there, No, that was Marbert Dick Vie tells 1011 01:00:16.119 --> 01:00:21.519 the uh he was the basketball comment. Yeah, not Marv Albert. 1012 01:00:21.559 --> 01:00:24.199 Marv Albert's a whole nother story. And I'm a Knicks fan, 1013 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:28.400 so let me say that, get that up front. But Sean, 1014 01:00:28.760 --> 01:00:31.920 someone in the chat wanted to impune Lucky and say, oh, well, 1015 01:00:31.960 --> 01:00:35.199 he hit the basketball hoop. So clearly it's like, oh, 1016 01:00:35.320 --> 01:00:38.320 so you're saying that every plow driver has never hit anything. 1017 01:00:38.679 --> 01:00:43.119 Bad Lucky, bad boy, bad Lucky couldn't make a mistake. 1018 01:00:43.199 --> 01:00:45.000 Can you believe that couldn't. 1019 01:00:44.800 --> 01:00:47.840 Could not rock him at all, couldn't rock him at all? 1020 01:00:48.400 --> 01:00:52.239 Well, well, clearly, Sean, since he hit a basketball hoop, 1021 01:00:52.559 --> 01:00:55.039 then that clearly shows he wouldn't have seen the body 1022 01:00:55.119 --> 01:00:57.960 on the Alberts front lawn. Obviously that you can you 1023 01:00:58.079 --> 01:01:02.360 can stitch those two together, right, Okay, it's crazy, So yes, 1024 01:01:02.519 --> 01:01:05.360 your point is good, either sir or ma'am that I'll 1025 01:01:05.440 --> 01:01:08.639 Lucky hit the basketball hoop and guess what, he's human, 1026 01:01:08.719 --> 01:01:13.360 infallible god. Okay, now let's get to MOFO because mofo, 1027 01:01:13.960 --> 01:01:16.039 thank you very much. I don't know if you are 1028 01:01:16.119 --> 01:01:19.559 a male mofo or a female mofo, but obviously we're 1029 01:01:19.599 --> 01:01:23.000 all Sean McDonough mofo. Even Courtney's a new MOFO. 1030 01:01:24.599 --> 01:01:29.599 I love it. It's all interchangeable, right, yes, it's yeah, 1031 01:01:29.679 --> 01:01:30.440 it's unisex. 1032 01:01:30.559 --> 01:01:32.639 So can you read this Courtney from. 1033 01:01:34.559 --> 01:01:37.519 Ken McCabe did not say that Karen I hit him 1034 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:41.159 under until grand jury testimony two point five years after 1035 01:01:41.280 --> 01:01:41.880 it happened. 1036 01:01:41.920 --> 01:01:42.519 From MOFO. 1037 01:01:43.280 --> 01:01:46.440 Thank you, MOFO. I really appreciate the blessing. Thank you 1038 01:01:46.559 --> 01:01:49.119 so much. That helped us a lot. 1039 01:01:49.639 --> 01:01:53.239 Well, you know, she did tell Lank and it's amazing 1040 01:01:54.079 --> 01:02:02.159 about then Sagan Lank. Right, he brings back Lieutenant Gallagher 1041 01:02:02.519 --> 01:02:06.679 right at nine o'clock. Right, Gallagher doesn't see lard ass 1042 01:02:06.760 --> 01:02:10.760 Higgins at all. Right, I mean he doesn't see anything. Right, 1043 01:02:11.000 --> 01:02:13.239 I don't know what the hell he was doing. But 1044 01:02:13.880 --> 01:02:16.880 you got everyone at the table, and Jen's interviewed and said, 1045 01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:21.719 by the way, you know, mister Lank, Sogeant Lank, I 1046 01:02:21.880 --> 01:02:26.480 do remember her saying that I could have hit him. 1047 01:02:26.599 --> 01:02:31.119 I could have hit him. That was written in the report. So, 1048 01:02:32.039 --> 01:02:35.599 like I said, there was it was so much. I mean, 1049 01:02:35.679 --> 01:02:38.880 there's so much to pick apart and the part about 1050 01:02:39.079 --> 01:02:41.599 listen I get, I get the fact there was a 1051 01:02:43.119 --> 01:02:48.599 difficult scenario. But these guys live in Massachusetts. They know 1052 01:02:48.840 --> 01:02:52.920 what snowstorms are about. They played their whole life in snow. 1053 01:02:53.239 --> 01:02:58.239 They made forts, They hopped on cloud cars going by, 1054 01:02:58.280 --> 01:03:01.800 they hopped on buses doing you know, listen, they could 1055 01:03:01.840 --> 01:03:05.079 have been they got a stupid leaf blower, right, They 1056 01:03:05.159 --> 01:03:07.480 could have gotten heaters, they could have got a tent, 1057 01:03:07.840 --> 01:03:10.880 They could have done anything secure it met that snow. 1058 01:03:11.480 --> 01:03:14.960 They didn't, you know, left the scene unintended for what 1059 01:03:15.559 --> 01:03:19.639 six hours? Oh no, eight hours, twelve, fourteen hours. They 1060 01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:21.719 left the eight o'clock didn't come back to six. So 1061 01:03:21.840 --> 01:03:25.679 for yeah, So the thing I'm trying to say, DJ 1062 01:03:25.920 --> 01:03:30.960 and Courtney, you have a dead Boston police officer. That's 1063 01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:34.719 when you pull out all the stops. It's rained, snow shine, 1064 01:03:36.039 --> 01:03:40.119 hundred degree weather, you do whatever is as you call 1065 01:03:40.440 --> 01:03:43.760 everyone out. Do you know they had a fight getting 1066 01:03:43.800 --> 01:03:45.800 the state police to get out there. None of these 1067 01:03:45.840 --> 01:03:48.159 guys wanted to go out And at the end they 1068 01:03:48.280 --> 01:03:53.079 get a rescue like a search and rescue team, not 1069 01:03:53.199 --> 01:03:54.599 the crime scene services. 1070 01:03:54.840 --> 01:03:58.400 Right. Crime scene services are special elite people like I 1071 01:03:58.519 --> 01:04:03.960 did for three years. It's all methodic, it's an industry standard. 1072 01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:06.559 It's even more advanced now. But what I'm trying to say, 1073 01:04:06.719 --> 01:04:09.920 there are certain things you don't change. These guys were 1074 01:04:09.960 --> 01:04:13.000 going shoulders show are tramping on the whole crime scene 1075 01:04:13.440 --> 01:04:17.800 the second time around. But for some reason, after eighteen 1076 01:04:18.000 --> 01:04:21.280 twenty three inches of snow, they get to find the impossible. 1077 01:04:21.320 --> 01:04:24.760 They get to find all forty five pieces I guess 1078 01:04:25.239 --> 01:04:28.400 of tail light where the Cannon cops couldn't find shit, 1079 01:04:28.480 --> 01:04:33.280 but the Canton cops found white broken glass, but they 1080 01:04:33.280 --> 01:04:37.360 couldn't find a black sneaker or red tail light. Give 1081 01:04:37.440 --> 01:04:43.400 me a break. Stop this lunacy. It's lunacy, it really is. 1082 01:04:47.199 --> 01:04:50.679 Yeah, we're going to get to Peter Murphy and all that. 1083 01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:53.000 That's kind of where I want to go next is 1084 01:04:53.039 --> 01:04:55.119 to hit And so you guys are gonna dig this 1085 01:04:55.199 --> 01:04:57.079 because we're going to get into some of the people 1086 01:04:58.280 --> 01:05:00.559 that are integral in the case that some of us, 1087 01:05:00.719 --> 01:05:02.920 like me, for example, I want to just get to 1088 01:05:03.039 --> 01:05:05.280 the first one. Even before I look at my list, 1089 01:05:05.960 --> 01:05:09.840 I know who Kevin Lenihan is as a Twitter person, 1090 01:05:10.719 --> 01:05:13.400 and I know what his Twitter name is, and I 1091 01:05:13.599 --> 01:05:17.119 know that that's all I know about him. Though I 1092 01:05:17.199 --> 01:05:19.760 don't know, I know he's on the other he's anti 1093 01:05:19.880 --> 01:05:21.880 Karen Reid and all that. But can you tell us 1094 01:05:22.239 --> 01:05:24.599 for those of us, and this is mostly edifying for 1095 01:05:24.719 --> 01:05:27.800 Courtney and I, who is Kevin Lenihan in this case? 1096 01:05:27.840 --> 01:05:33.159 Okay, Kevin Lenahan and I had a pretty decent relationship 1097 01:05:33.559 --> 01:05:36.360 a year ago this time actually a little bit before, right. 1098 01:05:39.599 --> 01:05:43.519 I was actually following him before I went on Aiden's show. 1099 01:05:44.360 --> 01:05:46.840 And because I went on aiden show just at the 1100 01:05:47.000 --> 01:05:50.760 end of June, because I wrote a letter to Chief 1101 01:05:50.880 --> 01:05:53.880 Rafferty and because of that, Aiden wanted me on the show. 1102 01:05:53.920 --> 01:05:58.280 Because I gave seventeen bullet points that any executive, any 1103 01:05:58.679 --> 01:06:01.360 anyone could have answered, but as an executive, as a 1104 01:06:01.440 --> 01:06:04.519 chief of police, she should add these are softball questions. 1105 01:06:04.960 --> 01:06:08.239 To this day, she hasn't answered. But Kevin and I 1106 01:06:09.320 --> 01:06:12.920 had a little, a good type of relationship going on. 1107 01:06:13.400 --> 01:06:16.599 And he's the coat. He's the create content creator of 1108 01:06:17.119 --> 01:06:23.440 Yellow Cottage Tales. Okay. So when I I had one 1109 01:06:23.480 --> 01:06:26.159 appearance on Aiden's show, and after that I had three 1110 01:06:26.280 --> 01:06:31.159 or four with Kevin, and Kevin was like, right, he 1111 01:06:31.360 --> 01:06:36.239 was more he was leaning more to Karen, right, but 1112 01:06:36.320 --> 01:06:39.199 he wanted to stay in the middle, right, which was great. 1113 01:06:39.320 --> 01:06:42.440 I actually loved the fact because I wanted. Who I 1114 01:06:42.599 --> 01:06:46.800 really wanted to debate me was a guy like Kyle Doogle. Right. 1115 01:06:47.119 --> 01:06:50.480 He's a Boston cop, right, a very big supporter of 1116 01:06:52.360 --> 01:06:54.840 John being murdered by Karen. And I wanted him to 1117 01:06:54.920 --> 01:06:59.079 tell me, Hey, Carle, you're a detective, you're an active detective. 1118 01:06:59.159 --> 01:07:02.320 You know John, you know Karen, Right, tell me why 1119 01:07:02.679 --> 01:07:04.679 you think she did it? And I wanted to have 1120 01:07:04.840 --> 01:07:08.320 this debate. It didn't happen, So Kevin became that guy. 1121 01:07:08.400 --> 01:07:11.599 And Kevin Kevin was pretty good. The problem with Kevin 1122 01:07:11.800 --> 01:07:17.880 was he made a fatal mistake. He he had me. Actually, 1123 01:07:18.320 --> 01:07:20.639 I was the unlucky person. I was on his show 1124 01:07:21.679 --> 01:07:25.400 and I didn't know you could actually hit on comments. 1125 01:07:25.559 --> 01:07:27.760 I was on private chat because he would send me 1126 01:07:27.840 --> 01:07:30.400 little messages. I didn't know you could kick comments, you 1127 01:07:30.440 --> 01:07:32.679 could see all these comments. I was a newbie. I 1128 01:07:32.719 --> 01:07:37.760 didn't know shit about this scream yash. Next thing, he's 1129 01:07:37.840 --> 01:07:40.480 reading something, he's looking, he's looking back. I can see 1130 01:07:40.519 --> 01:07:42.559 his facial it's me and him, just me and him. 1131 01:07:42.920 --> 01:07:46.400 I can see his facial expressions, and all of a sudden, 1132 01:07:46.440 --> 01:07:50.320 he blows up. It's actually common because I'm there and 1133 01:07:50.400 --> 01:07:52.320 I think he's blowing up at me, and I said 1134 01:07:52.639 --> 01:07:54.840 in the background, I saying, Jesus Christ said I say 1135 01:07:54.920 --> 01:08:00.119 something wrong, and he is going off, going off on 1136 01:08:00.440 --> 01:08:02.360 the people in the chat, and one of the people 1137 01:08:02.400 --> 01:08:06.679 in the chat was Aiden, and he got hammered. I 1138 01:08:06.760 --> 01:08:09.880 mean because I went back. Eventually I figured out how 1139 01:08:09.920 --> 01:08:11.960 to do it and went back and I saw he 1140 01:08:12.159 --> 01:08:15.360 was getting hammered. And you know, that was like the 1141 01:08:15.679 --> 01:08:20.720 end of Kevin, right. I mean, we stayed friendly a 1142 01:08:20.800 --> 01:08:24.079 little bit until he actually came out and said that 1143 01:08:24.199 --> 01:08:27.720 Karen was guilty, that he believed that Karen absolutely was guilty. 1144 01:08:27.840 --> 01:08:30.680 So that kind of washed up. I still like the guy. 1145 01:08:30.880 --> 01:08:35.119 I mean, you know, as a person. Professionally, if you 1146 01:08:35.199 --> 01:08:37.800 want to call it professionally, we're on polar ops. He 1147 01:08:37.920 --> 01:08:42.920 really he tries his best to discredit me, to take 1148 01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:47.199 shots to me. But as a off the set, I'd 1149 01:08:47.239 --> 01:08:48.760 sit down with him, have a cup of coffee. I 1150 01:08:48.800 --> 01:08:51.359 wouldn't have any problem with He's an intelligent guy. He 1151 01:08:51.560 --> 01:08:54.520 just took after this beating, he just said, that's it. 1152 01:08:54.960 --> 01:09:00.800 It seems to be the norm. If Aiden comes at you, 1153 01:09:01.399 --> 01:09:06.479 whether you are completely on the read side, if you 1154 01:09:06.640 --> 01:09:08.760 if you're a hit by him, it's over it. Now 1155 01:09:08.960 --> 01:09:10.439 they flip and go to the other side. 1156 01:09:11.880 --> 01:09:14.399 Man, I ask what his bona fides are in terms 1157 01:09:14.439 --> 01:09:15.560 of as an expert in. 1158 01:09:16.600 --> 01:09:23.319 What he's a He's a nub, he's a knob according 1159 01:09:23.359 --> 01:09:26.479 to the no listen, he's a he's a former bottender. Okay, 1160 01:09:27.520 --> 01:09:32.760 he's he's a screenwriter. He's done certain screenwriting. He's a 1161 01:09:32.800 --> 01:09:36.520 great writer, all right, but he doesn't really know. I mean, 1162 01:09:37.479 --> 01:09:39.880 he's intelligent. I'll give it. He's intelligent. But the problem 1163 01:09:39.920 --> 01:09:44.319 with his intelligence now he's contradicting himself in his own 1164 01:09:44.399 --> 01:09:47.640 intelligence to believe any part of this thing. He has 1165 01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:52.000 offered more excuses for the investigators in this whole case. 1166 01:09:52.479 --> 01:09:57.760 And he's also actually his his little theory of how 1167 01:09:57.880 --> 01:10:02.520 John got killed was actually better than the Comwealth's theory, 1168 01:10:03.479 --> 01:10:06.159 if you believe it or not. And his theory is 1169 01:10:06.199 --> 01:10:08.880 a joke, but it's better. It was better than troop 1170 01:10:08.960 --> 01:10:10.079 of Paul's. I can tell you that. 1171 01:10:10.960 --> 01:10:15.720 So yeah, I mean, I think one of the things 1172 01:10:15.760 --> 01:10:21.800 that we have to understand is that our society is 1173 01:10:22.039 --> 01:10:28.520 very polarized. So people, you know, it's quite obvious that 1174 01:10:28.680 --> 01:10:31.560 this is quite obvious as it relates to politics, but 1175 01:10:31.680 --> 01:10:34.720 it can be anything, and this Karen Reed trial has 1176 01:10:34.800 --> 01:10:38.680 turned into that. And if you look at us humans 1177 01:10:38.880 --> 01:10:43.439 as a species, we were tribal people. We were people 1178 01:10:43.520 --> 01:10:45.680 that you had to be in a tribe in order 1179 01:10:45.800 --> 01:10:48.039 to survive, in order to be able to hunt and 1180 01:10:48.159 --> 01:10:51.479 gather and be protected and eat food and not be 1181 01:10:51.640 --> 01:10:54.840 taken over by another tribe. We were were we as 1182 01:10:54.880 --> 01:10:58.159 a species or tribal We're seeing that play out now 1183 01:10:58.479 --> 01:11:01.720 in politics that you have to be on one side 1184 01:11:01.920 --> 01:11:05.159 or the other. You can't be both. You can't be 1185 01:11:05.359 --> 01:11:09.119 like me where I'm love law enforcement, black lives matter. 1186 01:11:09.199 --> 01:11:11.479 I can do all of it because I think there's 1187 01:11:11.560 --> 01:11:13.720 merit and all of it. But no, you have to 1188 01:11:13.760 --> 01:11:16.479 say I'm from this group where I'm from that group. 1189 01:11:16.520 --> 01:11:19.319 And clearly Kevin, when he got pissed off, said well, 1190 01:11:19.399 --> 01:11:22.359 I can't critically look at this and see that there's 1191 01:11:22.439 --> 01:11:26.720 absolutely no expert evidence that says that she was run 1192 01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:30.000 over and backed over like Karen Reid's been to a 1193 01:11:30.119 --> 01:11:34.000 tactical driving course to drive a full size suv at 1194 01:11:34.279 --> 01:11:39.760 twenty four mph and very definitely not you know, make 1195 01:11:39.800 --> 01:11:42.079 any marks on the lawn or anything and hit this guy. 1196 01:11:42.359 --> 01:11:46.119 Yeah, from sixty right, from sixty right, Yeah. 1197 01:11:46.039 --> 01:11:50.199 Clearly she went to the jays the Jaysock Tactical Driving 1198 01:11:50.239 --> 01:11:53.600 Course at Fort Bragg. Obviously Karen Reid is a graduate 1199 01:11:53.680 --> 01:11:55.840 of that course that was from when she was in Delta. 1200 01:11:56.840 --> 01:11:59.920 So clearly that's an idiotic thing that we know didn't happen. 1201 01:12:00.800 --> 01:12:02.800 Then we're Marylin doing the Secret Service. 1202 01:12:04.000 --> 01:12:08.479 Yeah right, Yeah, like the CIA, you know, field operatives. 1203 01:12:08.800 --> 01:12:11.520 They have to go and take this training because when 1204 01:12:11.520 --> 01:12:14.239 they're overseas and they're undercover, you never know when they 1205 01:12:14.319 --> 01:12:17.319 have to just commandeer somebody's car and beat feet and 1206 01:12:17.359 --> 01:12:20.399 get to a safe area. So anyway, you know all 1207 01:12:20.439 --> 01:12:22.399 this kind of stuff. I'm not, like I said, I'm 1208 01:12:22.439 --> 01:12:25.720 not law enforcement, but I've been in government for thirty years. 1209 01:12:25.800 --> 01:12:30.479 So this case is about common sense, truly, which isn't 1210 01:12:30.479 --> 01:12:35.880 common right, So you cannot look at John's arm and 1211 01:12:36.039 --> 01:12:38.880 say that that was done by any vehicle. You cannot. 1212 01:12:39.279 --> 01:12:42.760 I don't care who you are. Now, there's been a 1213 01:12:42.920 --> 01:12:46.880 theory out there. If Aiden Carney said that Karen ree 1214 01:12:47.279 --> 01:12:51.359 was absolutely guilty, the other patrolls would say the opposite. 1215 01:12:51.359 --> 01:12:54.960 Because these people, for whatever reason, hate the guy. They 1216 01:12:55.039 --> 01:12:55.439 hate him. 1217 01:12:56.479 --> 01:12:59.399 They got to join the tribe, and that's the opposite tribe. 1218 01:13:00.680 --> 01:13:04.720 So so the thing is they're now locked. And I 1219 01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:06.359 was with my wife the other day and I said, 1220 01:13:06.359 --> 01:13:10.199 you know, some I had a vision of Alan Jackson 1221 01:13:10.239 --> 01:13:13.039 doing that pirolette, you know, he did the famous And 1222 01:13:13.159 --> 01:13:15.319 I said to myself, what the hell is he getting at? 1223 01:13:15.319 --> 01:13:19.039 And I sawed thinking, And it's true. Center of mass 1224 01:13:19.560 --> 01:13:22.199 is going to move you. If you hit an extremity, right, 1225 01:13:22.640 --> 01:13:25.079 you're not going anywhere. You're gonna probably get The arm 1226 01:13:25.199 --> 01:13:29.239 is gonna move, sure, but what's the arm weigh eleven pounds? Right, 1227 01:13:29.560 --> 01:13:32.439 you got a two hundred and seventeen pound guy. You 1228 01:13:32.560 --> 01:13:36.119 hit him center a mass, he's gonna go. They're trying. 1229 01:13:36.159 --> 01:13:39.720 They're locked in now to this tail like hitting his 1230 01:13:39.960 --> 01:13:44.199 arm catapulting him twelve fifteen twenty feet up a hill. 1231 01:13:46.000 --> 01:13:47.319 It doesn't ask to smell. 1232 01:13:47.319 --> 01:13:50.880 Us certain with no bruises and no broken bones and 1233 01:13:51.119 --> 01:13:52.119 dog bites on his arm. 1234 01:13:52.359 --> 01:13:54.399 Yeah, And you know the other side was put in 1235 01:13:54.560 --> 01:13:58.000 all you're not gonna he's been all kinds of fractures. 1236 01:13:58.039 --> 01:14:02.399 They were putting everything out possible to to to basically 1237 01:14:02.680 --> 01:14:06.840 lie to people, lie to people. That's the glare. He's 1238 01:14:06.880 --> 01:14:08.520 the Galara knows. 1239 01:14:08.479 --> 01:14:11.399 Yes, I want to say, hello, Hi, Glare, how are you, sir? 1240 01:14:11.600 --> 01:14:14.000 I have watched your show. I dig it. I I 1241 01:14:14.279 --> 01:14:17.239 can't keep track of all the Karen Reid content creators 1242 01:14:17.279 --> 01:14:20.479 and that I've watched, but I like your show very 1243 01:14:20.600 --> 01:14:22.760 very cool, and yeah, we'll have to get you on 1244 01:14:22.880 --> 01:14:25.439 as well. Like what the glare is saying here, Courtney, 1245 01:14:25.479 --> 01:14:27.640 can you read that one? I think this is accurate. 1246 01:14:30.279 --> 01:14:31.039 From the glare. 1247 01:14:31.439 --> 01:14:36.119 That's if TV said KR was guilty, the blue Shirts 1248 01:14:36.119 --> 01:14:37.279 would turned pink overnight. 1249 01:14:38.439 --> 01:14:41.000 Yeahlar knows. Glaire is a great guy. Man. 1250 01:14:41.479 --> 01:14:44.439 Yep, they say we have to get in the other tribe, right, Glair, 1251 01:14:44.520 --> 01:14:46.680 We got it. We can't, can't. We gotta go against 1252 01:14:46.720 --> 01:14:52.520 aid Aiden. Aiden is fearless man. That dude is fearless. 1253 01:14:53.119 --> 01:14:57.119 I mean that going down to Canton and eating it. 1254 01:14:57.359 --> 01:15:00.039 As Sean would say, c F mccathy's. 1255 01:15:02.239 --> 01:15:04.000 You know what. That was good? 1256 01:15:04.520 --> 01:15:06.359 Can we get you to do Adam Lally? Can you 1257 01:15:06.479 --> 01:15:07.720 do some what if any's no? 1258 01:15:09.560 --> 01:15:13.159 No? Jennifer ms mckaye, what if anything did you hear 1259 01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:20.720 the defendants say, mister mckabe, what if anything? Did your 1260 01:15:20.760 --> 01:15:28.039 wife say, jan Jan Jan Jesus talk about being possessed? 1261 01:15:29.520 --> 01:15:32.000 This is great? We just got Sean to do Adam 1262 01:15:32.079 --> 01:15:35.399 Lally And what's really said is Adam is younger and 1263 01:15:35.479 --> 01:15:40.239 Sean has better hair. This is terrible. So anyway, all right, 1264 01:15:40.479 --> 01:15:43.600 we're gonna get to some names here. Sean, tell me 1265 01:15:43.680 --> 01:15:48.199 about Javier Velaskaz. One of your episodes, you referred to 1266 01:15:48.479 --> 01:15:51.840 Javier Alaska as one of your colleagues from DA and 1267 01:15:52.359 --> 01:15:54.720 you said at one point that he had referred to 1268 01:15:54.840 --> 01:15:58.520 Brian Albert as another name that we associate with a 1269 01:15:58.720 --> 01:16:02.039 cat when we're talking talking about a cat from Canton, 1270 01:16:02.680 --> 01:16:05.840 but use it. It's with P and then it actually. 1271 01:16:05.800 --> 01:16:09.680 Actually it was not. He did not tell me that, okay, 1272 01:16:10.279 --> 01:16:13.439 and I did kind of Javier an injustice, and I 1273 01:16:13.560 --> 01:16:16.680 have spoken to Javier, all right. I was getting given 1274 01:16:16.760 --> 01:16:22.640 information that Javier was very vocal on another I guess 1275 01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:26.039 Facebook group and that I should talk to him. He 1276 01:16:26.119 --> 01:16:30.600 was a median Colombia and I had said something that 1277 01:16:31.199 --> 01:16:33.880 was attributed to him, but I had not spoken to him, 1278 01:16:33.920 --> 01:16:36.039 and that was my bad, and I apologized to him. 1279 01:16:36.079 --> 01:16:41.000 But we had a very good conversation. Okay, So the 1280 01:16:41.159 --> 01:16:45.800 cat now, I like this. So the cat story came okay, 1281 01:16:46.000 --> 01:16:49.960 early on in when I was developing certain sources like 1282 01:16:50.079 --> 01:16:53.000 I'm a I'm a Boston kid. I grew up in Dorchester, 1283 01:16:53.079 --> 01:16:57.000 went over to matter Pan and then my high school 1284 01:16:57.039 --> 01:17:02.359 started in Canton. Okay, so four years. So there was 1285 01:17:02.399 --> 01:17:07.000 a time with this this Boston cop, it's me up 1286 01:17:07.319 --> 01:17:10.319 and we spoke. He's a big burly guy. I do 1287 01:17:10.520 --> 01:17:13.159 know who he is, right, And he said, hey, Sean, 1288 01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:17.239 he says, this kid Albert, you know, I remember him 1289 01:17:17.239 --> 01:17:19.920 when he first came on. He thought his he thought, 1290 01:17:20.039 --> 01:17:23.880 is his shit didn't stink? Blah blah blah. He said. 1291 01:17:23.960 --> 01:17:27.520 I said to him, a kid, this is this is 1292 01:17:27.680 --> 01:17:33.359 a typical Boston mentality and it doesn't matter. Now. Boston's 1293 01:17:33.399 --> 01:17:37.640 a neighborhood related areas. But and if you're outside of Boston, 1294 01:17:37.680 --> 01:17:40.159 forget it. You don't have any chance. He said, hey, kid, 1295 01:17:40.840 --> 01:17:43.680 you may wear our uniform, but you'll always be a 1296 01:17:43.800 --> 01:17:44.720 cat from Canton. 1297 01:17:46.800 --> 01:17:48.720 But if it's a word that begins with the P 1298 01:17:48.920 --> 01:17:50.800 and ends with the why. 1299 01:17:50.960 --> 01:17:53.760 Yeah, I caught on it because I got to tell you. Originally, 1300 01:17:53.760 --> 01:17:55.239 when you started talking about cat, I didn't know what 1301 01:17:55.239 --> 01:17:58.479 the hell you were talking about about fifteen twenty minutes ago. 1302 01:17:58.560 --> 01:18:01.720 Now I get it, all right, I'm I'm glad I 1303 01:18:01.760 --> 01:18:04.520 didn't say the real thing, so I caught, well. 1304 01:18:04.479 --> 01:18:06.239 We have it. We do have a woman in the 1305 01:18:06.279 --> 01:18:08.359 house here and many in the chat, so you know, yeah, 1306 01:18:08.520 --> 01:18:09.279 I don't be careful. 1307 01:18:09.359 --> 01:18:13.039 But I've been to Boston and that's a kind of 1308 01:18:13.119 --> 01:18:15.399 a knives out kind of place. I tried to throw 1309 01:18:15.479 --> 01:18:17.760 some garbage away at a gas station after going to 1310 01:18:17.840 --> 01:18:20.159 some lobster house, and the guy came out and confronted me, 1311 01:18:20.359 --> 01:18:22.159 was like, what are you trying to push on me? 1312 01:18:22.199 --> 01:18:24.479 And I'm like, I'm just putting my garbage away. And boy, 1313 01:18:25.319 --> 01:18:28.319 the vibe in Boston is very different. 1314 01:18:28.079 --> 01:18:30.399 And you got to be on edge to go through there. 1315 01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:34.439 You know, Accordney sometimes sometimes that could be endearing for 1316 01:18:34.560 --> 01:18:37.439 some people. The way they talk could be endearing, believe 1317 01:18:37.439 --> 01:18:37.760 it or not. 1318 01:18:38.680 --> 01:18:39.880 Not from Pennsylvania. 1319 01:18:40.279 --> 01:18:40.840 We're different. 1320 01:18:40.960 --> 01:18:44.960 We're very different, different from northeastern Pennsylvania. So when I 1321 01:18:45.000 --> 01:18:47.800 come back, that's what all my family asked. Were they 1322 01:18:47.960 --> 01:18:50.000 hostile in Boston? Were they nasty? 1323 01:18:50.039 --> 01:18:52.359 And I was like, I had one encounter, you know, 1324 01:18:52.439 --> 01:18:55.239 but he didn't push me too much or it would 1325 01:18:55.279 --> 01:18:56.840 have went down because I had kids in the car, 1326 01:18:56.920 --> 01:18:58.880 and I was like, dude, if you're gonna. 1327 01:18:58.640 --> 01:18:59.800 Come at me, you better bring it. 1328 01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:00.880 And he didn't. 1329 01:19:01.279 --> 01:19:01.840 He let it go. 1330 01:19:02.239 --> 01:19:04.039 But you know, when you say woman in. 1331 01:19:04.039 --> 01:19:06.079 The house, I'm not your ordinary woman. And I've heard 1332 01:19:06.119 --> 01:19:09.279 the P word before. I've heard the F word before. 1333 01:19:09.279 --> 01:19:11.199 And as my mother likes to say, she's glad her 1334 01:19:11.279 --> 01:19:13.720 children heard it before going to school on the bus, on. 1335 01:19:13.760 --> 01:19:17.680 The school buses. Monny Courtey, I tell this story. So 1336 01:19:17.760 --> 01:19:19.960 when I left take the job in DC, I was 1337 01:19:20.000 --> 01:19:23.720 twenty one years old, and I drove down in a snowstorm, right, 1338 01:19:23.840 --> 01:19:26.279 and my first time I stopped was at the Maryland 1339 01:19:26.319 --> 01:19:28.760 House off of ninety five self and I get there 1340 01:19:28.800 --> 01:19:32.159 and it's been a long drive and everything. So walk 1341 01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.199 in and this lady, she's a waitress, justa hello, dear, 1342 01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:38.720 how are we doing today? What can I get for you, honey? 1343 01:19:39.359 --> 01:19:42.199 And I go, wow, this is a difference. So I'm 1344 01:19:42.239 --> 01:19:45.079 down there almost six months and I'm with the Virginia 1345 01:19:45.840 --> 01:19:49.680 class and Marylyn clad in DC, and everyone's talking so nice. 1346 01:19:49.920 --> 01:19:52.600 I go back home after six months, right, and I 1347 01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:54.560 go back home, I see some old friends and some 1348 01:19:54.720 --> 01:19:57.840 girls get hey, Sean, how the fuck you doing I'm doing? 1349 01:19:57.960 --> 01:20:02.560 I said, Oh God, When me get back Virginia yeah, 1350 01:20:02.600 --> 01:20:04.600 it's kind of funny, but listen, I love them. I 1351 01:20:04.720 --> 01:20:08.640 love I love the Boston crop that's my home. I mean, 1352 01:20:08.720 --> 01:20:09.399 that's beautiful. 1353 01:20:10.359 --> 01:20:12.079 But I'm the same way. I go home to the 1354 01:20:12.159 --> 01:20:15.439 Hudson Valley of New York. Hender Cuts and high school friends. 1355 01:20:15.520 --> 01:20:18.479 We get together twice a year every year, and I do. 1356 01:20:18.760 --> 01:20:21.279 I go back to Dean and I was a football 1357 01:20:21.279 --> 01:20:23.039 player at Dean and I go and get together with 1358 01:20:23.119 --> 01:20:24.239 my teammates there every year. 1359 01:20:24.840 --> 01:20:26.399 So beautiful, that's great. 1360 01:20:26.960 --> 01:20:29.119 I love so. 1361 01:20:29.359 --> 01:20:32.560 Frank was in my high school, the Hackamock League. We 1362 01:20:32.600 --> 01:20:37.439 played Franklin, the Franklin Franklin. Yeah we did. Oh wow, Yeah, 1363 01:20:37.680 --> 01:20:41.720 they were a great scene man. Yeah, it's a cool town. Man. 1364 01:20:41.960 --> 01:20:45.520 Just going back there was just like magical. We've had 1365 01:20:46.239 --> 01:20:49.359 I think we've had two reunions. Last year. I missed 1366 01:20:49.399 --> 01:20:51.680 it because I moved to Georgia and now I'm moving 1367 01:20:51.720 --> 01:20:55.800 to Colorado next weekend. But I'm I'm planning on coming 1368 01:20:55.880 --> 01:20:59.800 back from homecoming to Dean. So that's I'm just going 1369 01:20:59.880 --> 01:21:02.000 to help my boss. I gotta take vacations. 1370 01:21:02.159 --> 01:21:05.479 Look, since we're talking about hometowns and family roots and whatnot, 1371 01:21:05.520 --> 01:21:07.720 I just have to bring this up because we had. 1372 01:21:10.960 --> 01:21:11.319 Damn it. 1373 01:21:11.640 --> 01:21:12.239 Can you hear me? 1374 01:21:13.119 --> 01:21:15.039 I can get you're frozen, but we can't hear me. 1375 01:21:15.119 --> 01:21:16.279 Yeah, ma'am. 1376 01:21:17.479 --> 01:21:21.800 All right, Well, this case reminds me a lot of 1377 01:21:21.960 --> 01:21:26.079 like the hometown stuff, the corruption the cops cover ups. 1378 01:21:26.239 --> 01:21:29.199 You know, we had that a lot in my area, 1379 01:21:29.399 --> 01:21:31.760 and so it kind of stinks of that, and so 1380 01:21:31.920 --> 01:21:35.239 I wanted to get your bead sean on these cops 1381 01:21:35.560 --> 01:21:38.319 and this group. Have they ever been implicated in corruption 1382 01:21:38.479 --> 01:21:40.840 before in other cases where they have kind of worked 1383 01:21:40.880 --> 01:21:43.520 together to hide evidence or to make a case go 1384 01:21:43.600 --> 01:21:44.199 a certain way. 1385 01:21:44.319 --> 01:21:45.760 Do you know have any history of that? 1386 01:21:47.159 --> 01:21:51.359 You know something I left at a very young age. 1387 01:21:51.439 --> 01:21:51.720 I was. 1388 01:21:52.119 --> 01:21:56.279 I left after high school, went to Westfield University, which 1389 01:21:56.319 --> 01:21:58.000 is in the western pile of the state, and I 1390 01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:02.520 went right down in DC. Now I do know back 1391 01:22:02.680 --> 01:22:05.960 basically from my own involvement in the case, certain things 1392 01:22:06.000 --> 01:22:09.239 were coming out of corruption. You know, it started at 1393 01:22:09.359 --> 01:22:11.880 small and this is how it goes. Corruption is a 1394 01:22:12.039 --> 01:22:16.279 very slippery slope. You know, there's a case where I 1395 01:22:16.359 --> 01:22:18.720 think Pete alluded to it because he was the one 1396 01:22:18.800 --> 01:22:22.119 that told me, and I really I really laughed at this, 1397 01:22:22.319 --> 01:22:25.880 but you know, it goes to the point where you 1398 01:22:26.000 --> 01:22:29.279 stop the road of giving passes to people like this. 1399 01:22:29.479 --> 01:22:34.560 One guy was stealing stake tips from a catering business 1400 01:22:34.680 --> 01:22:39.199 in town, Okay, And the owner of the business notice that, 1401 01:22:39.359 --> 01:22:42.199 Jesus Christ, I'm losing pounds and pounds of steak tips, 1402 01:22:42.239 --> 01:22:45.239 which is that's a big, big thing in Boston, right, 1403 01:22:45.800 --> 01:22:47.000 and it's expensive. 1404 01:22:47.279 --> 01:22:47.399 Right. 1405 01:22:47.760 --> 01:22:53.079 So this lady right decides to put a camera in 1406 01:22:53.199 --> 01:22:55.640 her this is we're going back maybe thirty thirty five 1407 01:22:55.720 --> 01:23:00.520 forty years business in her in her business and lo 1408 01:23:00.720 --> 01:23:04.159 and behold. The next morning, she sees a friend to 1409 01:23:04.239 --> 01:23:07.640 hers who's an officer on the midnight shift, coming in. 1410 01:23:08.479 --> 01:23:11.119 He knows the code, right, he gets in. I don't 1411 01:23:11.159 --> 01:23:13.760 know how the hell he had the key. He gets 1412 01:23:13.800 --> 01:23:17.199 in and takes all these steak tips. Now, instead of 1413 01:23:17.359 --> 01:23:21.359 calling the cops, she calls the fire department, and the 1414 01:23:21.439 --> 01:23:26.119 fire department person that responded was is now the town 1415 01:23:26.279 --> 01:23:33.159 administrator for Canton. This kid duty, right, So this is 1416 01:23:33.319 --> 01:23:36.359 and it was reported. It finally got reported. He said, hey, listen, 1417 01:23:36.640 --> 01:23:38.520 I can't do this. You got to call the police. 1418 01:23:38.720 --> 01:23:43.439 And Peter Murphy was the guy that blew the whistle, right. 1419 01:23:43.880 --> 01:23:47.239 He wrote a report, sent it up the chain Rafferty 1420 01:23:47.920 --> 01:23:51.560 was his lieutenant because he was a sergeant, his first 1421 01:23:51.640 --> 01:23:55.079 line supervisor was lieutenant. And the way it's told us, 1422 01:23:55.119 --> 01:23:58.560 she didn't do a thing. So it's certain things like 1423 01:23:58.720 --> 01:24:01.720 that get you to where you have a guy on 1424 01:24:01.840 --> 01:24:06.079 the Boston cop on a lawn in your town and 1425 01:24:06.239 --> 01:24:11.239 you don't do the right thing. And they're also implicated 1426 01:24:11.359 --> 01:24:16.279 in their investigation of Sandra Birchmore, who in twenty twenty one, 1427 01:24:16.439 --> 01:24:21.319 prior to John being violently killed, is accused of committing 1428 01:24:21.439 --> 01:24:26.199 suicide okay, in her apartment in Canton, and some of 1429 01:24:26.239 --> 01:24:29.880 the same players went, oh, obviously it's in canon. They went. 1430 01:24:30.000 --> 01:24:33.920 Some of the same players went to the apartment to investigate. 1431 01:24:34.560 --> 01:24:37.359 And I was talking to Mizzi, who was taking the 1432 01:24:37.439 --> 01:24:40.239 lead for the Sander Birchmore case, and she's telling me John, 1433 01:24:40.239 --> 01:24:43.359 I have all these reports. One cop says the ligature 1434 01:24:43.439 --> 01:24:46.000 was blue, the other cops said it was black, another 1435 01:24:46.079 --> 01:24:49.960 cop said it was white. Another person said it was plastic, 1436 01:24:50.199 --> 01:24:53.279 another person said it was metal. They don't know what that. 1437 01:24:53.880 --> 01:24:57.239 So many different reports and the important fingers like this, 1438 01:24:59.000 --> 01:25:04.920 the state troop Okay, that investigated the case. Ultimately from 1439 01:25:04.960 --> 01:25:08.239 the Sea Pack, the Norfolk County Sea Pack Office that 1440 01:25:08.680 --> 01:25:12.199 Proctor and Ury and all these people is a guy 1441 01:25:12.359 --> 01:25:19.720 by the name of John Fanning was brilliantly cut up, 1442 01:25:20.000 --> 01:25:24.239 sliced to dice last night on Truth and Transparency with Lanna. 1443 01:25:25.000 --> 01:25:28.119 She had this victim on his victim it's I don't 1444 01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:32.319 want to get into it, but the the suspects in 1445 01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:34.800 the it's not been deemed the murder. 1446 01:25:34.640 --> 01:25:37.880 By doctor Bobaden, famous. 1447 01:25:39.640 --> 01:25:43.840 O. J. Simpson's thing has come out and ruled a homicide. Well, 1448 01:25:44.119 --> 01:25:48.560 the prime suspect is a Stoton police officer. Fanning was 1449 01:25:48.880 --> 01:25:53.479 a Stoton police officer. Now he gets the it's crazy, 1450 01:25:53.560 --> 01:25:56.880 he gets now the investigation and he clears it as 1451 01:25:57.199 --> 01:25:58.000 a suicide. 1452 01:25:59.159 --> 01:26:01.680 So your conflict of interest there not like he went 1453 01:26:01.720 --> 01:26:04.520 to Stoughton High School. I mean you know he did 1454 01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:10.359 this woman, So yes, ma'am, oh, yeah, you have you know. 1455 01:26:10.479 --> 01:26:12.439 And when you come from a small town like I do, 1456 01:26:12.760 --> 01:26:15.079 and then you know, you see these different cases, and 1457 01:26:15.159 --> 01:26:17.720 you see the long history of the sheriffs of the deputies, 1458 01:26:17.800 --> 01:26:18.479 you know who they are. 1459 01:26:18.640 --> 01:26:19.760 You know, not to say anything. 1460 01:26:20.159 --> 01:26:22.800 I was just curious about this specific group of men 1461 01:26:23.239 --> 01:26:26.000 and what their reputations were in Canton and if they 1462 01:26:26.079 --> 01:26:29.600 had any other possible history with corruption in other cases. 1463 01:26:29.680 --> 01:26:32.680 That's all right, So the I'll just give you the 1464 01:26:32.800 --> 01:26:36.079 highlights of last night. It's a Lena did a fantastic 1465 01:26:36.199 --> 01:26:39.000 job and it was a fantastic catch on her part. 1466 01:26:39.079 --> 01:26:41.560 They have this guy on he was like a role. 1467 01:26:41.720 --> 01:26:44.279 He was like a father figure to John Fanny growing up. 1468 01:26:44.479 --> 01:26:45.760 I'm not going to get into the whole story, but 1469 01:26:45.840 --> 01:26:50.399 there's two stories she told. He took John and John's 1470 01:26:50.399 --> 01:26:54.079 buddy down to Key West, right, and he told John, 1471 01:26:54.279 --> 01:26:57.520 he said, listen, it gets kind of crazy here. He said, 1472 01:26:57.560 --> 01:26:59.439 you know, Jet to be careful because a lot of 1473 01:26:59.479 --> 01:27:03.079 transves sights don This is back maybe twenty five years ago, right, 1474 01:27:04.520 --> 01:27:07.119 And so he tells the story how he ended up. 1475 01:27:07.239 --> 01:27:10.000 John and his buddy ended up with these two girls 1476 01:27:12.039 --> 01:27:14.560 that according to this guy, his name is Kevin Klapp, 1477 01:27:15.119 --> 01:27:20.600 he said, I don't think these there were women. Of course, 1478 01:27:20.680 --> 01:27:23.079 the other guys have been drinking and you can't tell 1479 01:27:23.119 --> 01:27:26.800 them anything. They're cops and they know better. Well, bottom 1480 01:27:26.840 --> 01:27:30.880 line is uh, I guess Fanny found out that they 1481 01:27:30.920 --> 01:27:33.039 weren't girls because I never saw a girl with a 1482 01:27:33.199 --> 01:27:37.560 dick before. Sorry, courdy, but that's the quote from last 1483 01:27:37.640 --> 01:27:41.520 Night's show, and he said he thought that Fanny raped 1484 01:27:41.720 --> 01:27:46.239 this transvestite. So this, uh, you know, he used to 1485 01:27:46.279 --> 01:27:49.159 call it drag queens back then, right now it's now 1486 01:27:49.199 --> 01:27:52.079 it's different. I don't know what the woke terminology is. 1487 01:27:52.640 --> 01:27:53.520 Now what is it? 1488 01:27:54.079 --> 01:27:56.720 I don't know what it is, but there's definitely terminology. 1489 01:27:57.319 --> 01:28:01.600 Yes, I'm sure, yeah, I'm listen, I'm this threw me 1490 01:28:01.680 --> 01:28:07.279 off my game. But then then there's an allegation that 1491 01:28:08.279 --> 01:28:12.920 Fanning after some years, went to this guy, his father figure, 1492 01:28:13.000 --> 01:28:15.960 who took care of him, who gave him his first car, 1493 01:28:16.279 --> 01:28:20.760 who gave him his first bike, right allegedly, right allegedly, 1494 01:28:20.880 --> 01:28:23.279 according to this guy, and he's told this story many 1495 01:28:23.359 --> 01:28:28.239 times to Dave Colinane, who's all over the Birchmore case, 1496 01:28:29.680 --> 01:28:33.560 that that Fanning said, you give me oral sex now, 1497 01:28:34.880 --> 01:28:38.680 and he backs it up and he says, I know 1498 01:28:39.199 --> 01:28:40.920 he did this to me because I know he has 1499 01:28:41.000 --> 01:28:47.000 a bold a mole certain part of his privates. So listen, 1500 01:28:47.199 --> 01:28:52.840 it's crazy. The corruption is widespread, and I do know 1501 01:28:53.039 --> 01:28:56.279 that the FBI is definitely involved in that case, and 1502 01:28:56.399 --> 01:28:58.600 I just hope they get you know, for the memory 1503 01:28:59.800 --> 01:29:03.960 of of young Sandra Birchmore, and she was pregnant. Courtney, 1504 01:29:04.039 --> 01:29:07.600 she was pregnant. And the suspect who was last seeing 1505 01:29:07.720 --> 01:29:10.960 with her, his wife gave birth the very next day, 1506 01:29:11.399 --> 01:29:13.680 and he was she was pregnant with his child. 1507 01:29:14.640 --> 01:29:16.000 So and he was on video. 1508 01:29:16.640 --> 01:29:21.520 He's on video as the last going in and going out. Yeah. 1509 01:29:22.079 --> 01:29:27.399 Another thing is, according to investigators, her phone never moved 1510 01:29:27.680 --> 01:29:30.560 after he's seen walking out the door. I mean, come on, 1511 01:29:31.520 --> 01:29:32.119 that's a cute. 1512 01:29:32.159 --> 01:29:36.359 I mean, should we investigate Hello, Yeah, did they get 1513 01:29:36.399 --> 01:29:40.399 the DNA from the fetus? Do you think, Courtney? Of 1514 01:29:40.520 --> 01:29:42.680 course they didn't. Of course they didn't. 1515 01:29:42.880 --> 01:29:48.119 Yeah, somehow something tells me that I believe there was 1516 01:29:48.199 --> 01:29:50.600 some type of you know, I don't know. I'm not sure. 1517 01:29:50.840 --> 01:29:52.359 I'm not an expert in that case at all. 1518 01:29:52.439 --> 01:29:54.439 But that's but there shouldn't be a question about that. 1519 01:29:55.039 --> 01:30:00.359 They should say, we've identified what's his name, Matthew help 1520 01:30:00.439 --> 01:30:03.960 me in the child folks, Firewell. Yeah, the Firewell brothers 1521 01:30:04.439 --> 01:30:07.560 that Matt this met the baby, the baby had matt 1522 01:30:07.640 --> 01:30:11.600 Farwell's DNA. Because that would obviously lead that would obviously 1523 01:30:11.720 --> 01:30:16.079 be very very that would go to motive. Right, because 1524 01:30:16.119 --> 01:30:19.399 he leaves her apartment in a hoodie with a mask on, 1525 01:30:19.560 --> 01:30:22.640 and he's an anti mask guy. And then he goes 1526 01:30:22.680 --> 01:30:26.079 to the hospital where his wife gave birth from her 1527 01:30:26.119 --> 01:30:29.640 apartment and Sandra Birchmore has never heard from again. And 1528 01:30:29.720 --> 01:30:32.239 people want us to be oh, well, it's just a coincidence. 1529 01:30:32.479 --> 01:30:35.279 She just decided, even though she had just bought baby 1530 01:30:35.359 --> 01:30:38.199 clothes in a car seat, she decided to kill herself. Yeah, 1531 01:30:38.439 --> 01:30:43.119 and then we're also supposed to believe that because Karen 1532 01:30:43.159 --> 01:30:45.600 Reid was angry with her boyfriend, she decided to run 1533 01:30:45.680 --> 01:30:49.039 him over in front of a cops house with an suv. 1534 01:30:49.199 --> 01:30:51.640 And clearly, you never get caught for it, You never 1535 01:30:51.720 --> 01:30:55.600 get fingered for that. I mean, if I tell you 1536 01:30:55.680 --> 01:30:58.439 what all the times my wife had had arguments, if 1537 01:30:58.520 --> 01:31:01.600 she ran on a Ramio with their suv, I mean, 1538 01:31:01.680 --> 01:31:02.439 it's so absurd. 1539 01:31:03.560 --> 01:31:06.880 Courant say thank you. That young girl was groomed by 1540 01:31:06.960 --> 01:31:09.600 these cops. There was an Explorer pro Explorer program. All 1541 01:31:09.640 --> 01:31:11.279 this girl wanted to do was be a cop, and 1542 01:31:11.399 --> 01:31:15.119 she had some she had some family issues. They groomed 1543 01:31:15.159 --> 01:31:17.880 her at age thirteen to fifteen, having sex with her 1544 01:31:18.520 --> 01:31:21.880 three different cops, the two Firewell brothers and another cop. 1545 01:31:22.359 --> 01:31:25.760 Divine Divine yeah, yeah, I mean they. 1546 01:31:25.680 --> 01:31:31.439 Were all let got pretty pretty sick sick situation. 1547 01:31:32.000 --> 01:31:36.000 No charges, and Divine is still a licensed lawyer in Massachusetts. 1548 01:31:36.439 --> 01:31:38.520 One of the Firewell brothers is out west, and I 1549 01:31:38.560 --> 01:31:39.800 don't know where the other one is. 1550 01:31:40.039 --> 01:31:42.760 Yeah, all right, it's a bad situation. 1551 01:31:43.720 --> 01:31:45.760 Let me say thank you to Melissa Kaier. Thank you 1552 01:31:45.880 --> 01:31:48.640 so much for the blessing. We really really do appreciate it. 1553 01:31:49.119 --> 01:31:53.000 If you guys would be kind enough to mash the 1554 01:31:53.800 --> 01:31:57.880 subscribe button calling all beings, we really appreciate it. We 1555 01:31:58.079 --> 01:32:01.279 do aim to bring on a saw here. First of all, 1556 01:32:02.640 --> 01:32:05.640 Hung Jerry, is that your name? Well, Hung Jerry, I 1557 01:32:05.760 --> 01:32:07.760 hear you on I see you on Melanie's show. Great, 1558 01:32:07.880 --> 01:32:11.760 great comments. Obviously the glare we'd like to get you on. 1559 01:32:11.880 --> 01:32:14.600 We may even do like a Karen Reid roundtable. I 1560 01:32:14.680 --> 01:32:17.720 think cab is famous for round tables, so we may 1561 01:32:17.800 --> 01:32:20.680 even ask Sean back and maybe get a round table 1562 01:32:20.800 --> 01:32:24.960 with me, I mean with your contemporary Mike. Mike has 1563 01:32:25.039 --> 01:32:26.840 great hair, so it would be great to have Mike 1564 01:32:26.920 --> 01:32:27.239 on here. 1565 01:32:27.680 --> 01:32:31.000 Mike, Hell Mike. Yeah, Mike's a great guy. 1566 01:32:31.920 --> 01:32:37.880 Great goatee. So anyway, let me uh, so, I want 1567 01:32:37.920 --> 01:32:40.279 to get to if you would, because we want to 1568 01:32:40.279 --> 01:32:42.600 get you out here. Can you tell us about uh, 1569 01:32:42.720 --> 01:32:46.479 Peter Murphy, because I'm a little confused as to which 1570 01:32:46.880 --> 01:32:50.319 if it was Brian Tully or another Brian that gave 1571 01:32:50.399 --> 01:32:53.560 him that information. And if you haven't heard this, Courtney, 1572 01:32:54.720 --> 01:32:59.239 it is shocking. Can I let me just do this 1573 01:32:59.319 --> 01:33:02.359 set up like this, Peter Murphy. When the when the 1574 01:33:02.520 --> 01:33:07.560 incident happened, when John O'Keeffe was killed, and it looked 1575 01:33:07.920 --> 01:33:10.079 like they weren't sure which way this was going to go, 1576 01:33:10.159 --> 01:33:13.119 Peter Murphy went back as a retiree. He went back 1577 01:33:13.159 --> 01:33:15.439 to the Kent Police station and said, look, if somebody 1578 01:33:15.520 --> 01:33:17.760 needs help, if you've gotten jammed up, if you need 1579 01:33:17.840 --> 01:33:20.720 a lawyer. You were my guys when I was active duty. 1580 01:33:21.199 --> 01:33:22.880 I'm here. I want you to know that I'm here 1581 01:33:22.960 --> 01:33:24.479 to help shun take it away. 1582 01:33:24.760 --> 01:33:29.239 Okay, So just a little bit different on that. So 1583 01:33:29.479 --> 01:33:34.319 I first came out, Okay, I wrote that letter, and 1584 01:33:34.439 --> 01:33:36.680 I used my I wasn't an anonymous anymore. I wrote 1585 01:33:36.680 --> 01:33:40.119 the letter under my own name, my bona fides, directed 1586 01:33:40.159 --> 01:33:43.920 it at both Chief Rafferty, and I wrote a separate 1587 01:33:44.000 --> 01:33:47.359 letter to Brian Albert, you know, cop to cop whatever. 1588 01:33:48.520 --> 01:33:52.800 So back then, I could see the donations being made 1589 01:33:52.880 --> 01:33:56.880 to Karen's defense fund, and I and lo and behold, 1590 01:33:56.960 --> 01:34:00.399 I made a donation. And when you see all the 1591 01:34:00.600 --> 01:34:04.439 things of donations, I could see this. Sogeant Peter Murphy, 1592 01:34:04.680 --> 01:34:08.720 retired Canton police officer, gave a donation. I said, HOLDI 1593 01:34:09.479 --> 01:34:13.479 this is this is amazing. I got a cop in Canton, right, 1594 01:34:13.680 --> 01:34:17.600 And I didn't know who he was, and I said, 1595 01:34:17.680 --> 01:34:21.479 this is a guy that's given a donation to Karen Reid, right, 1596 01:34:21.560 --> 01:34:24.279 because all the cops were mum's the word and not 1597 01:34:24.359 --> 01:34:27.479 gonna anyways, I ended up hooking up with Peter and 1598 01:34:27.560 --> 01:34:32.079 we talked a lot. He tells me. I said, Peter, 1599 01:34:32.239 --> 01:34:34.079 we got to figure out what the hell's going on here. 1600 01:34:34.079 --> 01:34:39.439 He said, well, Sean, I've got contacts with three guys 1601 01:34:39.720 --> 01:34:44.960 who were on were they're retired, but they were present. 1602 01:34:45.439 --> 01:34:48.880 They were on like on board at the time that 1603 01:34:49.399 --> 01:34:52.439 John O'Keeffe was dead. I'm going to go start shaking 1604 01:34:52.520 --> 01:34:55.960 the bushes or whatever what he said, and I'm gonna 1605 01:34:55.960 --> 01:34:58.720 go out talk to these guys. So he goes up, 1606 01:34:59.439 --> 01:35:03.000 he goes up to this, he goes up to this, 1607 01:35:06.159 --> 01:35:09.560 he goes up to this autobody shop, which was owned 1608 01:35:09.960 --> 01:35:14.239 by a police officer. Okay, oh my god. Something about 1609 01:35:14.319 --> 01:35:19.880 Canton cops their side job, okay is their police job, 1610 01:35:20.279 --> 01:35:23.359 their regular job is their business. Right. So this guy, 1611 01:35:23.560 --> 01:35:29.439 Brian Wanless, he was known as a very successful autobody guy. 1612 01:35:29.680 --> 01:35:32.800 Fix your car, paint your car, blah blah blah, and 1613 01:35:32.920 --> 01:35:35.439 there were early hints at the time. This is why 1614 01:35:35.520 --> 01:35:37.600 I told Peter, I said, if you know this guy, 1615 01:35:37.720 --> 01:35:39.880 go up there and find out if he knows anything, 1616 01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:42.840 but ask him. Did he have anything to do with 1617 01:35:43.079 --> 01:35:48.319 John O'Keefe's traverse. There was there was indications that the 1618 01:35:48.399 --> 01:35:50.560 diraverse was fixed because let's say, I don't care what 1619 01:35:50.600 --> 01:35:55.399 anyone says, that car was hit by Karen's car. There 1620 01:35:55.479 --> 01:35:59.399 had to be some impression made on that car. For 1621 01:35:59.760 --> 01:36:03.039 five five days later, the state police come back and 1622 01:36:04.239 --> 01:36:07.000 they checked the vehicle and they find no damage. Well, 1623 01:36:07.319 --> 01:36:10.680 you give me five days, right, I'm going to make 1624 01:36:10.680 --> 01:36:13.720 sure that that car is going to be spotless. Okay, 1625 01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:18.039 you had a sixty five to seven thousand pound truck. 1626 01:36:18.640 --> 01:36:20.720 I don't care how fast it was going or how 1627 01:36:20.800 --> 01:36:23.479 slow was going. You're going to have some type of transfer. 1628 01:36:23.800 --> 01:36:26.960 And that would have been very indicative of the damage 1629 01:36:27.079 --> 01:36:30.239 that was found on Karen's car. Well lo and behold. 1630 01:36:30.439 --> 01:36:35.159 He goes up, he hits the mother load. He doesn't 1631 01:36:35.359 --> 01:36:39.600 ask him about John's traverse, but he goes and says, hey, Brian, listen, 1632 01:36:39.720 --> 01:36:44.039 you know, I know you left the department, and I 1633 01:36:44.199 --> 01:36:47.880 know I'm hearing you. Weren't you know you couldn't take 1634 01:36:47.920 --> 01:36:50.039 the heat anymore. Because his wife is telling all the 1635 01:36:50.119 --> 01:36:54.279 people again that the rumors were getting too bad, and 1636 01:36:54.399 --> 01:36:57.159 he said, that's it. I'm done. I don't need this anymore. Well, 1637 01:36:57.199 --> 01:37:01.359 he tells Peter, he said, listen, all I did was 1638 01:37:01.399 --> 01:37:03.960 I took the tail light housing out because the state 1639 01:37:04.000 --> 01:37:08.239 police didn't know how to do it. Now that's huge, 1640 01:37:08.880 --> 01:37:14.119 that's huge because we found out that, in fact, Brian Wallace, 1641 01:37:14.439 --> 01:37:19.880 his name, never ever ever appeared on any report. Now 1642 01:37:20.560 --> 01:37:24.439 we go back to police officers one oh one and 1643 01:37:24.560 --> 01:37:27.479 how you handle evidence. It's called the chain of custody. 1644 01:37:28.079 --> 01:37:31.680 You touch it, I touch it, Courtney touches it's got 1645 01:37:31.760 --> 01:37:35.359 to be documented, right my understanding and is still to 1646 01:37:35.439 --> 01:37:40.239 this day, Brian Wallace never appeared on the chain of cussie. Now, 1647 01:37:41.960 --> 01:37:46.359 nothing nefarious about what he did. What's nefarious about it 1648 01:37:46.800 --> 01:37:51.039 is that he wasn't on the chain of custody. He's 1649 01:37:51.119 --> 01:37:56.199 on videotape at trial, taken the tail light out. He 1650 01:37:56.359 --> 01:37:58.760 was summoned, you know, three or four days later to 1651 01:37:58.880 --> 01:38:03.479 remove that tail light, all right, And why wasn't he 1652 01:38:03.960 --> 01:38:07.560 put on the chain of custody. There was absolutely no reason. 1653 01:38:07.960 --> 01:38:11.399 Why were they trying to hide that fact? Okay, So 1654 01:38:11.840 --> 01:38:15.159 Peter goes back again, he goes in, and next thing 1655 01:38:15.359 --> 01:38:18.319 he says, Hey, listen, all I know is this is 1656 01:38:18.399 --> 01:38:21.520 that I didn't crack the light and I just took 1657 01:38:21.560 --> 01:38:24.840 it out. And that's it. It was huge. That was huge, 1658 01:38:25.279 --> 01:38:28.560 and we we started putting that out. Not that not 1659 01:38:28.720 --> 01:38:30.960 that Brian was in any trouble. It just went to 1660 01:38:31.079 --> 01:38:36.840 the sloppiness and the cavalier ish type way that this 1661 01:38:37.039 --> 01:38:40.319 investigation was done. And remember, this is a Boston cop. 1662 01:38:41.479 --> 01:38:44.159 This is a Boston cop. And they they were lazy. 1663 01:38:44.560 --> 01:38:48.960 They were they were purposely lazy, and they didn't cross 1664 01:38:49.279 --> 01:38:52.840 the t's and dotted the ies on anything in this investigation. 1665 01:38:54.199 --> 01:38:58.880 But laziness isn't purposeful, right, it is part of your personality. 1666 01:38:59.319 --> 01:39:02.199 So I leave laziness kind of lets him off the 1667 01:39:02.239 --> 01:39:05.600 hook a little bit, whereas they specifically did certain things 1668 01:39:05.720 --> 01:39:09.439 so it wouldn't be traceable, you'd have plausible deniability. I 1669 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:11.560 just didn't do it. I don't know why I didn't 1670 01:39:11.560 --> 01:39:13.640 write a report on it. I didn't take why I 1671 01:39:13.680 --> 01:39:17.119 didn't take photos at Jen at at Karen Ree, at 1672 01:39:17.159 --> 01:39:20.039 Bill Reid's home when I went to see I don't 1673 01:39:20.039 --> 01:39:22.520 know why I didn't take photos of the car as. 1674 01:39:22.479 --> 01:39:26.479 It was right, don't you know exactly? You don't preserve wilful. 1675 01:39:26.880 --> 01:39:30.800 It's willful. And the thing is, contrary to the Brian 1676 01:39:30.960 --> 01:39:34.359 Walsh case, the kid was a superstar. He did everything 1677 01:39:34.439 --> 01:39:38.840 by the book, you know, GEO fence, Google searches, all 1678 01:39:38.920 --> 01:39:44.039 that stuff is collected, reports written, no misspellings of names done. 1679 01:39:44.640 --> 01:39:46.600 If you see it side by side, you could see 1680 01:39:46.880 --> 01:39:49.600 where this guy just basically was corrupt from day one. 1681 01:39:50.119 --> 01:39:51.560 There's no other way you can say it. 1682 01:39:53.399 --> 01:39:56.359 Yeah, And you know, you kind of talked about that 1683 01:39:56.720 --> 01:40:00.640 because it's it's kind of like there has to be 1684 01:40:00.720 --> 01:40:04.960 a point where you know you're going to basically you're 1685 01:40:05.000 --> 01:40:08.800 going through basic training, you know, or what police academy 1686 01:40:09.279 --> 01:40:12.000 to learn how to enforce the law, and so you're 1687 01:40:12.079 --> 01:40:15.680 going into it ostensibly hopefully with clean hands and saying 1688 01:40:16.520 --> 01:40:19.560 I am a law abiding citizen. I'm going to enforce 1689 01:40:19.680 --> 01:40:22.399 the law. But what some of these guys who are 1690 01:40:22.560 --> 01:40:27.159 not the Shawn's and not the Peter Murphy's say, And 1691 01:40:27.279 --> 01:40:32.079 this runs counter to what I learned in an administrative 1692 01:40:32.119 --> 01:40:35.119 and justice. Administration of Justice at Dean, we had in 1693 01:40:35.119 --> 01:40:37.880 a Wallpol Copp as a professor and he said, we 1694 01:40:38.079 --> 01:40:39.960 enforce the law and we follow the law. 1695 01:40:40.680 --> 01:40:40.800 Right. 1696 01:40:40.880 --> 01:40:44.560 These guys are like, we enforce the law, but we're 1697 01:40:44.800 --> 01:40:46.399 we don't have to follow the law. 1698 01:40:47.880 --> 01:40:49.960 True. And I was on a podcast the other day 1699 01:40:50.279 --> 01:40:53.520 that's coming out in October and the interviewer said, Sean, 1700 01:40:53.880 --> 01:40:56.680 if you had to pick out one word to describe 1701 01:40:57.159 --> 01:41:02.239 what is a basic uh ingredient for investigations of a 1702 01:41:02.279 --> 01:41:06.640 homicide or anything, I say integrity. You have to have integrity. 1703 01:41:07.399 --> 01:41:10.640 There's no way about it. There was absolutely no integrity 1704 01:41:11.000 --> 01:41:15.520 in this investigation, none at all. And it showed. It 1705 01:41:15.600 --> 01:41:16.439 absolutely showed. 1706 01:41:18.359 --> 01:41:22.760 Yeah, it's you know, what's the Air Force's motto is integrity, 1707 01:41:22.840 --> 01:41:25.960 service for self and excellence in all we do. 1708 01:41:26.399 --> 01:41:27.640 Look at that. That's beautiful. 1709 01:41:29.920 --> 01:41:32.560 Yeah, Now I gotta I gotta dump some Air Force 1710 01:41:32.640 --> 01:41:35.239 culture and get with Space Force culture and find out 1711 01:41:35.239 --> 01:41:36.800 what they're all their ethos on. 1712 01:41:37.039 --> 01:41:38.479 That's awesome, that's really nice. 1713 01:41:40.840 --> 01:41:44.119 Last person, Tom Beatty, can you explain to people who 1714 01:41:44.319 --> 01:41:47.399 Tom Beatty is, because what you just said before I 1715 01:41:47.800 --> 01:41:51.119 leave this this topic, basically what Peter Murphy said is 1716 01:41:51.239 --> 01:41:55.479 they win, and they they They fixed Karen Reid's car 1717 01:41:55.920 --> 01:41:58.239 to look like it was the murder weapon, and then 1718 01:41:58.359 --> 01:42:01.680 someone apparently repaired John o'keef's car. 1719 01:42:02.520 --> 01:42:04.960 That is the work in theory. Well, I can tell 1720 01:42:04.960 --> 01:42:09.119 you right now of a lot of different things in 1721 01:42:09.199 --> 01:42:11.159 this case. I know I'm going to get reactions from 1722 01:42:11.199 --> 01:42:12.960 some of the people in the chat that follow me, 1723 01:42:13.119 --> 01:42:18.520 but my contribution really other than my own experiences as 1724 01:42:18.560 --> 01:42:21.399 a crime scene investigator and an agent with the federal government, 1725 01:42:21.680 --> 01:42:26.479 I did a whole tail light segment, and I went 1726 01:42:26.560 --> 01:42:29.079 to Lexus, I went to autobody shops. On it, I 1727 01:42:29.319 --> 01:42:34.720 reviewed the original version of her backing out of her garage, 1728 01:42:34.800 --> 01:42:38.880 of the John's garage, hitting the car, slowing down her 1729 01:42:39.000 --> 01:42:44.279 coming out, where I utilize Michael Proked's own words that 1730 01:42:44.399 --> 01:42:47.279 he used in an affidavit to swear or a warrant, 1731 01:42:47.479 --> 01:42:50.239 and he said, I'll have these sessions in my head forever. 1732 01:42:50.680 --> 01:42:54.640 He said, when I got to Dyighton, the Dighton resident, 1733 01:42:54.760 --> 01:42:59.600 I observe the right rear, right side of miss Reed's 1734 01:42:59.680 --> 01:43:04.760 vehicle that it was chattered with a large piece missing. 1735 01:43:05.640 --> 01:43:08.439 I said, wait a minute, that's not what I saw 1736 01:43:09.000 --> 01:43:13.279 as she's passing by the camera with the floodlights on it, right. 1737 01:43:13.399 --> 01:43:13.600 Yeah. 1738 01:43:15.119 --> 01:43:20.600 Read, I got so many pictures and close ups and stills. 1739 01:43:21.159 --> 01:43:26.359 I said, well, wait a minute, this kills him. And 1740 01:43:26.520 --> 01:43:29.720 the fact that he didn't take a photograph when he 1741 01:43:29.840 --> 01:43:33.920 sees the vehicle at four point fifteen that afternoon, says 1742 01:43:34.000 --> 01:43:38.039 to me, he's hiding the ball. Right. That was a 1743 01:43:38.159 --> 01:43:40.680 famous quote in some of the documents I got from 1744 01:43:40.800 --> 01:43:44.399 Natalie that Karen said, these guys have been hiding the 1745 01:43:44.439 --> 01:43:48.640 ball since day one. It's a beautiful comment. Karen's writing 1746 01:43:48.680 --> 01:43:51.279 these things. If you don't know the story, this guy, 1747 01:43:51.760 --> 01:43:55.840 this guy, this lady. Natalie was the intermediary between Karen 1748 01:43:55.960 --> 01:43:59.359 and Aiden, and it's a long involved story, but I 1749 01:43:59.520 --> 01:44:04.079 actually he actually Natalie gave me the file that Aiden 1750 01:44:04.159 --> 01:44:07.079 that she gave to Aiden, and when I saw some 1751 01:44:07.239 --> 01:44:10.039 of these things like wired taps of the DA and 1752 01:44:10.199 --> 01:44:13.079 other stuff that we knew In March of twenty twenty two, 1753 01:44:13.119 --> 01:44:15.920 who killed John and the fees had been involved much 1754 01:44:16.000 --> 01:44:19.479 longer than anyone knows. Blah. I'm saying, this is like 1755 01:44:19.640 --> 01:44:22.199 music to my ears. This is cheating on a test. 1756 01:44:22.359 --> 01:44:25.439 This is like you kidding me. You give this information 1757 01:44:25.600 --> 01:44:28.000 to a guy who's had twenty eight years thirty five 1758 01:44:28.119 --> 01:44:30.399 years on the job, but twenty eight years as a 1759 01:44:30.479 --> 01:44:34.079 federal agent. This is this is outrageous, This is incredible. 1760 01:44:34.520 --> 01:44:36.960 What are we doing here? Let's get this baby over. 1761 01:44:37.720 --> 01:44:40.760 But for whatever reason, there's obviously a plan. 1762 01:44:42.600 --> 01:44:46.520 So, but it sounds it sounds like your opinion of 1763 01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:47.840 Aiden is favorable. 1764 01:44:48.000 --> 01:44:51.680 Now I'm coming in this as a neutral person, you know, 1765 01:44:52.000 --> 01:44:57.079 mainly trying to look at you know, John O'Keefe's life, 1766 01:44:57.279 --> 01:44:59.159 who he was, Why would he have. 1767 01:44:59.199 --> 01:45:02.000 Gone there that night, Why would he have had this challenge? 1768 01:45:02.399 --> 01:45:03.159 Blah blah blah. 1769 01:45:03.319 --> 01:45:06.359 So when I've been reading all the press reports about Aiden, 1770 01:45:06.920 --> 01:45:09.720 I'm just wondering why he ended up going to jail. 1771 01:45:09.760 --> 01:45:11.399 Did he not go to jail for a period of 1772 01:45:11.479 --> 01:45:13.319 time because of his involvement with Karen? 1773 01:45:14.159 --> 01:45:18.880 Yeah, he was charged with witness intimidation I don't know, 1774 01:45:19.039 --> 01:45:23.279 sixteen seventeen counts and he was let out on bail, Okay, 1775 01:45:24.159 --> 01:45:26.560 And the bail was basically, you know, don't have any 1776 01:45:26.680 --> 01:45:33.239 contact with anyone. Okay, Well, then let's see. Then around December, 1777 01:45:34.319 --> 01:45:38.760 around Christmas time, a girlfriend he was dating at the 1778 01:45:38.840 --> 01:45:44.439 time they broke up. She then did like everyone else does. 1779 01:45:44.520 --> 01:45:46.800 She goes to the state police and says, I can 1780 01:45:48.159 --> 01:45:50.880 give you Aiden Connie, he did this. He did that. 1781 01:45:52.359 --> 01:45:55.800 They gave her a subpoena right to testify before a 1782 01:45:55.840 --> 01:46:00.800 grand jury because she evidently said she had incriminating information 1783 01:46:01.199 --> 01:46:04.640 to tell the grand jury about Aiden and Karen Reid. Okay, 1784 01:46:05.079 --> 01:46:09.960 that's the story. Well, when they give her the subpoena, 1785 01:46:10.560 --> 01:46:13.159 they instruct her Listen, I did it all. I did 1786 01:46:13.199 --> 01:46:14.439 it my whole life. This is how you do a 1787 01:46:14.520 --> 01:46:18.119 drug deal right, you set someone up. I mean I've 1788 01:46:18.199 --> 01:46:21.600 done it my whole life. If you're inclined to be 1789 01:46:21.800 --> 01:46:24.760 a drug dealer, you're going to sell drugs or buy drugs. Well, 1790 01:46:24.800 --> 01:46:28.760 in this case, she lured Aiden over what the lore 1791 01:46:29.000 --> 01:46:32.680 was the summons to testify in the grand jury, and 1792 01:46:34.279 --> 01:46:38.079 unfortunately he did not listen to his attorney and he 1793 01:46:38.159 --> 01:46:42.199 went anyways, right because I you know, maybe he was 1794 01:46:42.279 --> 01:46:46.039 just too curious. Right, Well, one thing led to another. 1795 01:46:46.520 --> 01:46:50.600 He doesn't realize she's talking to Italian company in the phone. 1796 01:46:50.640 --> 01:46:53.640 They met in a foyer of the apartment complex. He 1797 01:46:53.760 --> 01:46:55.720 did that, right, He said, I'm not going to go 1798 01:46:55.800 --> 01:47:00.680 into that environment inside the apartment. And this is all 1799 01:47:00.760 --> 01:47:04.439 from his home court records. And eventually she was able 1800 01:47:04.479 --> 01:47:07.560 to get him in the apartment. They talked to Oh. 1801 01:47:07.680 --> 01:47:10.239 She says she was pregnant and she was going to 1802 01:47:10.279 --> 01:47:13.560 take these abortion pill It's a long invult story. The 1803 01:47:13.760 --> 01:47:20.600 end result was he ends up having sex with the girl, right, 1804 01:47:21.119 --> 01:47:25.520 And then he was taking notes on the summons and 1805 01:47:25.680 --> 01:47:29.359 taking notes on texts that she had with one of 1806 01:47:29.439 --> 01:47:32.840 his arch rivals, this girl Kay Peters, and other people. 1807 01:47:32.880 --> 01:47:36.039 He was taking all these notes, right, his former girlfriend, 1808 01:47:36.239 --> 01:47:40.319 his former girlfriend, and all this stuff, right, and I 1809 01:47:40.359 --> 01:47:42.399 guess he goes to the bathroom to clean off, and 1810 01:47:42.479 --> 01:47:45.720 the girlfriend goes and grabs the notes and there's you know, 1811 01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:48.920 depending who. She says. He tried to get the notes 1812 01:47:48.960 --> 01:47:51.199 and push me on the couch. He says, I just 1813 01:47:51.279 --> 01:47:52.880 wanted my notes. I want to get out of there, 1814 01:47:53.840 --> 01:47:57.279 and there's a recording and at the bottom liners, well, 1815 01:47:57.399 --> 01:48:01.840 he gets charged in this right, in this separate case 1816 01:48:02.479 --> 01:48:07.479 for domestic violence, and because of that he was violated. 1817 01:48:08.119 --> 01:48:10.520 It was famous. It was Christmas Eve or something like that, 1818 01:48:11.119 --> 01:48:14.640 and the reports came out and said, oh my god, 1819 01:48:14.760 --> 01:48:18.000 and Dave Colina broke it. I'm reading. I said, listen, 1820 01:48:18.119 --> 01:48:21.479 you can't make this stuff up. This report says that 1821 01:48:22.079 --> 01:48:26.760 all points bulletin alert on Aiden Connie and he's he's out, 1822 01:48:26.920 --> 01:48:29.600 he's out. I talked to him that day. I spoke 1823 01:48:29.640 --> 01:48:32.640 to him. I said, Aiden, Mary curses you. Okay, he's 1824 01:48:32.760 --> 01:48:39.520 the outfire. He contacts Peter Murphy. He says, Peter, do 1825 01:48:39.560 --> 01:48:42.760 you He said, I don't have the telephone. I mean, listen, 1826 01:48:43.840 --> 01:48:48.239 based on that, there was this massive I don't know, man, 1827 01:48:48.680 --> 01:48:50.760 whatever you want to say. But anyway, he ends up 1828 01:48:51.399 --> 01:48:53.840 a couple of days after its on his birthday, so 1829 01:48:54.319 --> 01:48:58.960 twenty fifth to twenty sixth is his birthday. He ends 1830 01:48:59.079 --> 01:49:01.920 up turning himself Ben and he goes to jail for 1831 01:49:02.000 --> 01:49:05.680 sixty days because then he went to jail for sixty days, 1832 01:49:06.000 --> 01:49:11.079 so you know, and he's going. Oh so anyways, domestic 1833 01:49:11.199 --> 01:49:15.279 violence thing got drop, got to drop. But she has 1834 01:49:15.439 --> 01:49:24.199 what do you call her? Some kind of yeah is 1835 01:49:24.279 --> 01:49:27.720 Mike is Mike? I know they messed with my volume. Okay, 1836 01:49:30.439 --> 01:49:31.079 I can hear you. 1837 01:49:31.279 --> 01:49:33.399 I can hear you. Well, I don't know if people. 1838 01:49:33.239 --> 01:49:35.520 The guys, these guys they like to mess with me, 1839 01:49:35.600 --> 01:49:36.479 they know him watching. 1840 01:49:36.560 --> 01:49:42.960 So all right, and Sean, how you mentioned one of 1841 01:49:43.079 --> 01:49:47.119 your amazing podcasts or I say podcast one of your 1842 01:49:47.439 --> 01:49:54.399 broadcasts reationship between Brian and Jim mckaye. How confident are 1843 01:49:54.439 --> 01:49:54.920 you about that? 1844 01:49:56.600 --> 01:50:01.039 Thousand percent? Thousand percent? 1845 01:50:01.479 --> 01:50:06.439 So tell you just for I read. 1846 01:50:08.000 --> 01:50:09.439 You read about Kay. 1847 01:50:09.600 --> 01:50:11.960 I read about Okay. 1848 01:50:12.159 --> 01:50:18.319 Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's the Covenant, She's the Covenant, sister 1849 01:50:18.319 --> 01:50:26.000 in law, really the cover. They're all they're all going back. 1850 01:50:26.399 --> 01:50:34.479 So let's see. Uh yeah, that's that's absolutely I've got one. 1851 01:50:35.960 --> 01:50:46.279 Oh yeah, very interesting, good guy. Okay. So Tom Okay 1852 01:50:46.479 --> 01:50:53.560 has a daughter Eric. And as the story goes, nobody 1853 01:50:53.960 --> 01:50:58.960 wanted or could put Colin in the house. Okay. And 1854 01:50:59.119 --> 01:51:02.239 you remember Brian and the whole people when took three 1855 01:51:02.279 --> 01:51:05.079 reports mentioned everyone that was in the house and stept 1856 01:51:05.119 --> 01:51:09.159 for calling. So when it came time for the state 1857 01:51:09.359 --> 01:51:19.920 grand jury, the prosecution is the the list of witnesses 1858 01:51:21.000 --> 01:51:25.800 to the defense, and they notice that Colin is not 1859 01:51:26.159 --> 01:51:29.880 on the list, and they asked, they asked, Lally, why 1860 01:51:30.000 --> 01:51:35.520 is this calling on the list, and well, and it's 1861 01:51:35.600 --> 01:51:36.159 really bad. 1862 01:51:36.439 --> 01:51:37.800 Why is calling I can hear you? 1863 01:51:39.920 --> 01:51:42.359 Why is calling? Hello? 1864 01:51:42.520 --> 01:51:48.560 Hell yeah, test test test can you guys? I think 1865 01:51:48.640 --> 01:51:52.880 you're fine. I can hear you. And they're hearing what 1866 01:51:53.000 --> 01:51:53.479 I'm hearing. 1867 01:51:54.960 --> 01:51:55.880 Why is Colin? 1868 01:51:56.560 --> 01:51:57.000 You're fine? 1869 01:51:57.279 --> 01:52:01.920 The list? And well he goes but because he wasn't 1870 01:52:02.359 --> 01:52:04.479 in the house, and you go, oh, we have the 1871 01:52:04.520 --> 01:52:09.239 information that he was. And so what they found out 1872 01:52:09.479 --> 01:52:17.039 was calling called Eron Beatty and invited Aaron to the 1873 01:52:17.199 --> 01:52:20.680 party at thirty four fair View. That's why we knew 1874 01:52:21.000 --> 01:52:25.119 he was in the house. All right, Aaron did not 1875 01:52:25.319 --> 01:52:32.359 go okay, calling uh Tom Beatty in the very early 1876 01:52:32.439 --> 01:52:35.640 money I was only a cover to say that she 1877 01:52:35.800 --> 01:52:40.079 was checking to see if John was with Tom because 1878 01:52:40.079 --> 01:52:43.159 they were very very good friends. All right, he's a doctor, 1879 01:52:43.840 --> 01:52:48.640 I mean, okay, So anyways, but after that, it becomes 1880 01:52:48.680 --> 01:52:52.079 a parent that Tom bet will lose end and they gotta, 1881 01:52:52.159 --> 01:52:55.479 they gotta, they gotta tie this up. And Jenny's feverishly 1882 01:52:55.560 --> 01:52:58.159 trying to figure her out what did what did Tom 1883 01:52:58.199 --> 01:53:03.359 Beatty know? And so there's a story where uh, Tom, 1884 01:53:03.439 --> 01:53:06.600 is that an old place that my family used to 1885 01:53:06.640 --> 01:53:09.399 go and I went to many many times the John 1886 01:53:09.479 --> 01:53:13.000 McKeon Post in Rochester. We call it mckillan because my 1887 01:53:13.119 --> 01:53:16.000 mother was a m that's how you say it, but 1888 01:53:16.439 --> 01:53:20.920 most people call Brian Albert and Chris Albert go to 1889 01:53:21.000 --> 01:53:24.199 the hillside, the famous meeting spot, and I're asking where 1890 01:53:24.800 --> 01:53:29.319 where is Tom Beatty. So a guy calls up Tom 1891 01:53:29.800 --> 01:53:35.600 unbeknownst to Brian and Chris and says, hey, these guys 1892 01:53:35.640 --> 01:53:38.039 are looking for you. He said, fuck this ship, give 1893 01:53:38.079 --> 01:53:39.720 me two minutes. I'll be out there. So it was 1894 01:53:39.720 --> 01:53:43.479 about a ten minutes depending out quickly you go, and 1895 01:53:43.560 --> 01:53:46.399 he gets to the hillside and they go out. He said, hey, 1896 01:53:46.640 --> 01:53:49.760 you're looking for me, Brian. Now Tom's a big dude. 1897 01:53:50.239 --> 01:53:54.159 He's a big guy. You know we're gonna mess with him. Well, well, 1898 01:53:54.159 --> 01:53:56.560 you know what, you know, you know, can you can 1899 01:53:56.560 --> 01:53:57.760 you change your time? 1900 01:53:58.119 --> 01:53:58.439 Frank? 1901 01:53:58.840 --> 01:54:01.520 You know what are you talking about? There's no way 1902 01:54:02.000 --> 01:54:02.760 I'm gonna. 1903 01:54:02.520 --> 01:54:02.960 Lie for you. 1904 01:54:03.880 --> 01:54:08.159 Something was worth the fact, all right, Yeah, what everybody 1905 01:54:08.239 --> 01:54:11.600 should have. And so there was this way to put 1906 01:54:11.680 --> 01:54:14.880 an arm on top. Listen, Tom. Tom is a city 1907 01:54:14.960 --> 01:54:18.439 boy and he ain't gonna he ain't gonna be impressed 1908 01:54:18.439 --> 01:54:21.239 by any cats from Canton. Trust me on that one. 1909 01:54:21.439 --> 01:54:23.840 No way, and he didn't give a ship who who 1910 01:54:24.079 --> 01:54:29.239 they were, all right, and and since then, since then, right, 1911 01:54:31.399 --> 01:54:35.880 poor eron, This young girl is being scolded and he 1912 01:54:36.000 --> 01:54:39.920 called the worst names by adults. Jen McCabe, This other 1913 01:54:40.079 --> 01:54:43.239 I know, this other lady. I know she was talking 1914 01:54:43.359 --> 01:54:46.239 about you know, you know, men's penises in her mouth 1915 01:54:46.359 --> 01:54:49.960 and I mean really rude. He said that fired me up. 1916 01:54:50.439 --> 01:54:55.000 So this is a lot. But Tom, Tom, uh Tom. 1917 01:54:55.920 --> 01:54:58.479 The fact is probably at some point of this case. 1918 01:54:58.439 --> 01:55:01.560 He really does someone saying that they can hear. So 1919 01:55:01.720 --> 01:55:04.800 that is great, thank you, thank you. 1920 01:55:05.760 --> 01:55:06.079 I don't know. 1921 01:55:07.960 --> 01:55:12.279 Gras right. 1922 01:55:12.960 --> 01:55:13.920 I love these names. 1923 01:55:14.279 --> 01:55:18.520 Man. You guys are so creative. Man, you guys are 1924 01:55:18.600 --> 01:55:20.600 so damn creative. Thank you so much. 1925 01:55:22.680 --> 01:55:22.840 Uh. 1926 01:55:23.000 --> 01:55:27.359 I think if someone has one more that we can 1927 01:55:27.439 --> 01:55:32.199 get in here. Okay, this is from Sindbad three three 1928 01:55:32.439 --> 01:55:36.399 three at Sean knows all the inside tea. Yes, he 1929 01:55:36.479 --> 01:55:40.680 certainly does. At calling all beings asked Sean about the 1930 01:55:40.760 --> 01:55:46.159 Boston cop who Higgins talked about John's talked to about 1931 01:55:46.279 --> 01:55:50.239 John's death. He claimed he pulled Chloe off John. 1932 01:55:51.720 --> 01:55:56.119 That's uh, that's a great point. So during the course 1933 01:55:56.279 --> 01:55:59.079 of this whole year, I was getting I was getting 1934 01:55:59.199 --> 01:56:02.840 information left and right, and I did have a credible 1935 01:56:03.439 --> 01:56:07.680 call come in. The person had no no beef, nothing. 1936 01:56:08.119 --> 01:56:11.640 And matter of fact, his son was approached by young 1937 01:56:11.760 --> 01:56:15.640 colin at Bridgewater State. His son was going to Bridgewater 1938 01:56:16.199 --> 01:56:18.880 and calling and him had a little tiff. The kid 1939 01:56:18.920 --> 01:56:21.439 that doesn't fight. He says, I don't fight. I just 1940 01:56:21.479 --> 01:56:24.239 fought with my brothers, right. Yes, So he called up 1941 01:56:24.560 --> 01:56:26.960 he said Sean, and he said, listen, I got to 1942 01:56:26.960 --> 01:56:30.119 tell you this story. A very very close friend of 1943 01:56:30.239 --> 01:56:33.960 Brian Higgins. We're out a couple of weeks ago down 1944 01:56:34.079 --> 01:56:38.319 south right around the Bridgewater area. They're at a bar. 1945 01:56:38.720 --> 01:56:42.520 So you got Higgins, a Boston cop, another cop, and 1946 01:56:42.600 --> 01:56:46.199 this guy sitting at a table. And now this is 1947 01:56:46.520 --> 01:56:49.720 this has had to be after Brian had gone and 1948 01:56:49.840 --> 01:56:53.840 testified at the grand jury. And the friend is saying 1949 01:56:54.399 --> 01:56:58.479 that Brian felt like he had a lot more Uh, 1950 01:56:58.680 --> 01:57:01.920 he was a lot looser calmer, didn't have any worries, 1951 01:57:02.000 --> 01:57:06.399 which to me means he gave it up. Oh wow, wow, 1952 01:57:06.520 --> 01:57:11.439 he gave it up and go yeah. So the subject 1953 01:57:11.479 --> 01:57:13.199 came up and said, hey, Brian, come on nothing now, 1954 01:57:13.319 --> 01:57:17.000 these are all good friends. Now he goes, come on, now, 1955 01:57:17.479 --> 01:57:20.840 Brian what's up with this whole thing with O'Keefe. He goes, listen, 1956 01:57:21.800 --> 01:57:25.319 you know, it gets middle huddle. He said, listen, I 1957 01:57:25.520 --> 01:57:28.600 never touched John, never touched him. 1958 01:57:29.119 --> 01:57:29.520 He says. 1959 01:57:29.840 --> 01:57:33.800 In fact, when John came down, you know, calling, and 1960 01:57:33.920 --> 01:57:37.720 Brian attacked tooing him right, he says, I was getting 1961 01:57:37.760 --> 01:57:41.239 the dog off of John. I was pulling, and John's 1962 01:57:41.239 --> 01:57:44.880 pulling his arm, but he's getting beat up. And he 1963 01:57:45.000 --> 01:57:48.760 said I pulled. I pulled him off and next thing, 1964 01:57:48.840 --> 01:57:53.640 the dog went after me. At the same time, the 1965 01:57:53.720 --> 01:57:57.359 Boston cop gives us that's it. I'm done. I can't 1966 01:57:57.520 --> 01:58:00.479 listen to this. Don't you know I'm a Boston You 1967 01:58:00.520 --> 01:58:02.680 can't tell me the shit. He fucking takes off. He leaves, 1968 01:58:03.239 --> 01:58:06.119 He leaves the bar. He doesn't even pay for his drink, 1969 01:58:06.199 --> 01:58:08.760 he just takes off. He does the Irish exit. That's 1970 01:58:08.800 --> 01:58:11.680 a real Irish exit. He fucking he did a bolt 1971 01:58:11.760 --> 01:58:15.079 job on these guys. And that's a story. And I 1972 01:58:15.239 --> 01:58:18.640 passed that to uh Alan Jackson. Listen, the bottom line 1973 01:58:18.760 --> 01:58:20.720 is he gave a profit. There's no doubt in my mind. 1974 01:58:20.920 --> 01:58:24.319 Because David and Netty said during the federal profer, Brian 1975 01:58:24.399 --> 01:58:27.319 Higgins said, ABC, whatever the fuck he said. He said 1976 01:58:27.359 --> 01:58:32.159 it is definitely. There's definitely a federal profit that was 1977 01:58:32.239 --> 01:58:36.760 given by Brian Higgins. He's not stupid. His attorney is 1978 01:58:36.800 --> 01:58:39.079 a former assistant. You have this attorney. They know how 1979 01:58:39.119 --> 01:58:40.000 the game is played. 1980 01:58:42.000 --> 01:58:44.920 So so you don't think he perjured himself on the 1981 01:58:44.960 --> 01:58:47.279 stand then okay, Well. 1982 01:58:47.199 --> 01:58:52.079 Here's the thing. The profer cannot be used directly against 1983 01:58:52.159 --> 01:58:54.960 the person getting it all right, They're told right after 1984 01:58:55.039 --> 01:58:57.560 bat anything you say to us will not be used 1985 01:58:57.640 --> 01:59:02.119 directly against you. However, if we don't believe you, or 1986 01:59:02.159 --> 01:59:04.680 if you fudge or hedge on anything and we don't 1987 01:59:04.680 --> 01:59:08.600 come to an agreement, which I guess they didn't, they said, okay, fine, 1988 01:59:12.239 --> 01:59:14.199 we're not going to do it. Will go around based 1989 01:59:14.239 --> 01:59:17.479 on this information and investigate other people to get to you. 1990 01:59:18.039 --> 01:59:21.239 But they couldn't use his information against him. Now here's 1991 01:59:21.279 --> 01:59:26.039 the thing he mentions on the stand, which is crazy. Uh, well, 1992 01:59:27.359 --> 01:59:30.520 I did see a tall guy with doc here. No 1993 01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:33.439 one had ever mentioned that. And my theory is this, 1994 01:59:34.800 --> 01:59:37.520 he probably said that to the FETs, and he probably 1995 01:59:37.560 --> 01:59:41.319 said that on purpose at the at the trial. And 1996 01:59:41.399 --> 01:59:43.680 here's another thing. We all know he was at the 1997 01:59:43.720 --> 01:59:45.920 Sally Port. You could see him in the sally Port, 1998 01:59:45.960 --> 01:59:50.920 he says, I don't recall, Yeah, what's he doing in 1999 01:59:51.039 --> 01:59:53.920 the sally part? He has no jurisdiction in this case. 2000 01:59:54.039 --> 01:59:54.920 What is he doing there? 2001 01:59:55.439 --> 01:59:57.800 He says, flat out, I don't recall even in the 2002 01:59:57.880 --> 02:00:02.199 sally Port. You know, he did everything he could to 2003 02:00:02.359 --> 02:00:04.079 not get jammed up. But you know, at the end 2004 02:00:04.079 --> 02:00:06.720 of the game, I mean, let's face it, he's done. 2005 02:00:06.880 --> 02:00:09.720 He is done. They're all done. It's just a matter 2006 02:00:09.800 --> 02:00:11.359 of time. That's that's my thing. 2007 02:00:11.840 --> 02:00:14.000 You continue to give us hope. Sean. We've kept you 2008 02:00:14.119 --> 02:00:17.600 for two hours, and thank you. I thank you so 2009 02:00:17.880 --> 02:00:18.800 much for your time. 2010 02:00:18.880 --> 02:00:23.479 Man, I'm telling you, and like the Glarer knows, Mike, 2011 02:00:23.800 --> 02:00:26.520 Mike the Jerk Crawford, he knows. All these guys know. 2012 02:00:27.000 --> 02:00:30.800 We could talk for hours and hours and still not 2013 02:00:31.000 --> 02:00:33.800 get through anything. But I listen, you need me anytime 2014 02:00:33.840 --> 02:00:37.920 for a round table whatever. Yes, you know we're gonna 2015 02:00:37.920 --> 02:00:39.640 put together a round table. You're awesome. 2016 02:00:40.239 --> 02:00:41.880 Before we say goodbye to you, I want to say 2017 02:00:41.960 --> 02:00:44.279 thank you to everybody in the chat for coming in 2018 02:00:44.319 --> 02:00:47.439 supporting Sean. I know that he has so many fans, 2019 02:00:48.880 --> 02:00:51.960 and I hope you enjoyed the content. Tonight. 2020 02:00:52.119 --> 02:00:57.119 I love you so, thank you. I love the fact 2021 02:00:57.159 --> 02:01:01.560 that I can see new I see old uh names 2022 02:01:01.600 --> 02:01:03.560 I see all the time, but I see new people here, 2023 02:01:03.600 --> 02:01:06.800 which is which is nice, which is great. 2024 02:01:07.079 --> 02:01:10.960 You know, yeah, definitely. I mean a lot of a 2025 02:01:11.000 --> 02:01:12.960 lot of new people are aware of CAB and we 2026 02:01:13.079 --> 02:01:16.880 will continue to do TCU. We got to start working now. 2027 02:01:17.439 --> 02:01:20.479 Courtney's brought a lot of data and video and audio 2028 02:01:20.800 --> 02:01:24.079 and photos back from Pennsylvania. That case I could take. 2029 02:01:24.319 --> 02:01:26.600 Uh oh, someone just said I suck. I got to 2030 02:01:26.640 --> 02:01:27.479 put that one up. Was that? 2031 02:01:28.199 --> 02:01:28.359 Oh? 2032 02:01:28.600 --> 02:01:32.920 Man? Who you? Yeah? All right, thanks man, I appreciate that. 2033 02:01:33.600 --> 02:01:38.079 The people come on, man, I love it. This is 2034 02:01:38.159 --> 02:01:40.840 not easy being on the easiest part is for me. 2035 02:01:40.960 --> 02:01:43.479 I got to say, and right now, you've got the 2036 02:01:43.560 --> 02:01:46.720 hot part I've got on the show. Yeah. 2037 02:01:46.760 --> 02:01:48.640 I've only been doing it for fourteen years, so I 2038 02:01:48.760 --> 02:01:50.520 know I don't suck. But I'm going to put that 2039 02:01:50.680 --> 02:01:51.760 up just to make him feel good. 2040 02:01:53.039 --> 02:01:56.079 Yeah, I just you know, hey, listen, I you know, 2041 02:01:56.399 --> 02:01:58.600 I love I love messing with these people. I've got 2042 02:01:58.640 --> 02:02:01.239 a little rude to a few people today before I 2043 02:02:01.319 --> 02:02:04.319 come on the show. You know, I gotta stay to 2044 02:02:04.399 --> 02:02:07.680 my my new Sean two point oh, but a little 2045 02:02:07.680 --> 02:02:11.199 bit of the one comes back. Yes, yes, hey, listen, 2046 02:02:11.800 --> 02:02:15.159 I'm telling you my microphone is coming over beautifully. 2047 02:02:15.520 --> 02:02:18.119 The hell no, you sound good to me. Man, It's 2048 02:02:18.159 --> 02:02:21.960 all good, man, it is all good. Thank you, It's 2049 02:02:22.119 --> 02:02:22.399 just me. 2050 02:02:22.560 --> 02:02:24.520 I love to mess with me. I tell you, they 2051 02:02:24.600 --> 02:02:25.920 know they know the trigger for me. 2052 02:02:26.720 --> 02:02:29.479 Yeah, and thank you so much, Melissa, you are so 2053 02:02:29.680 --> 02:02:31.960 kind if you have a question. Thank you so much 2054 02:02:32.039 --> 02:02:35.680 for your super chat and aunt BB two. You guys 2055 02:02:35.760 --> 02:02:38.680 are Yeah, we're definitely gonna have Sean on again and 2056 02:02:38.880 --> 02:02:41.720 we'll be getting more we're gonna do. We're gonna set 2057 02:02:41.760 --> 02:02:43.439 up a round table. I gotta get a hold of 2058 02:02:44.159 --> 02:02:46.439 I'd like to get Mike. I'd love to get Nurse Kim. 2059 02:02:48.119 --> 02:02:50.680 I'd love to get NASA in the air. And what's 2060 02:02:50.720 --> 02:02:53.640 gonna happen is every the way that the CAB round 2061 02:02:53.680 --> 02:02:56.439 table works is everyone is going to have to bring 2062 02:02:56.680 --> 02:03:00.960 a Karen Reid trial or Karen Reid case related topic 2063 02:03:01.520 --> 02:03:04.439 and then you're going to pitch that topic or that question, 2064 02:03:04.920 --> 02:03:08.840 and everybody around the table will get to come in 2065 02:03:09.079 --> 02:03:12.680 on what your either your theory, your hypothesis, your question, 2066 02:03:12.880 --> 02:03:15.319 your coming and so we're going to circle. Everybody, we'll 2067 02:03:15.319 --> 02:03:16.760 get to do it. So we'll get we'll do that. 2068 02:03:17.239 --> 02:03:17.840 That's awesome. 2069 02:03:18.439 --> 02:03:24.800 All right on behalf of Special Agent Sean excuse me, supervisor, 2070 02:03:25.000 --> 02:03:29.760 check yourself, Supervisory Special Agent Sean A. McDonough. This is 2071 02:03:29.920 --> 02:03:35.119 DJ saying peace out, one love and we'll see you 2072 02:03:35.439 --> 02:03:36.279 down the road. 2073 02:03:38.600 --> 02:03:39.920 Thank you, brother, thank you. 2074 02:03:40.000 --> 02:03:41.479 Wait till I get to the video. Here we go. 2075 02:03:42.399 --> 02:03:45.439 This should be. It is that it Uh see when 2076 02:03:45.479 --> 02:03:48.760 I know have my producer here. He's so amazing. He 2077 02:03:48.840 --> 02:03:50.640 does all this work for me. This is the cab 2078 02:03:50.720 --> 02:03:51.199 out trop