Speaker 1: Welcome true crime people to Calling All Beings True Crime Unsolved.
Speaker 1: Forgive me. We don't have an intro video as yet,
Speaker 1: but hopefully my co creator Money Nathan will work on
Speaker 1: that and we will have a video for the true
Speaker 1: crime portion of Calling All Beings. Just to give you
Speaker 1: a little background, we are one of our invest chief
Speaker 1: and Vents instigator, Courtney, is doing a missing person's investigation
Speaker 1: in Pennsylvania. She spent the last several days there and
Speaker 1: we are going to try to help a family to
Speaker 1: find out what has happened to their loved one who's
Speaker 1: been missing since two thousand and six, including bringing in
Speaker 1: cadaver dogs. We have a dog handler and we've been
Speaker 1: using three remote viewers and a couple of psychics. And
Speaker 1: so that's going to be Calling All Beings True Crime Unsolved,
Speaker 1: which is going to be disparate and apart from our
Speaker 1: UFO show, The Karen Reid Show Karen Reid Case, I
Speaker 1: became aware of fairly recently and absolutely have dove in
Speaker 1: firsthand and I am one of you Full blast FKR
Speaker 1: and Justice for John O'Keefe. My name is DJ, retired
Speaker 1: USAF special ops guy, and I can't get into what
Speaker 1: I do. Now, I'm honored that this gentleman is going
Speaker 1: to join us tonight. And as all of you know,
Speaker 1: it is very difficult when the target in this case
Speaker 1: is a law enforcement You know, you have a law
Speaker 1: enforcement officer who was killed, and it appears that there
Speaker 1: are other law enforcement officers who have perpetrated some type
Speaker 1: of a fraud, frame up and cover up in order
Speaker 1: to frame someone that many of us and not all
Speaker 1: of us, believe is an innocent woman, that being Miss
Speaker 1: Karen Reid. And when I became aware of our guest,
Speaker 1: I was very inspired by the fact that he uh,
Speaker 1: as he said, a very difficult decision on his part
Speaker 1: to engage in support for this movement with Turtle Boy
Speaker 1: and all of you who are out there, the young jerks,
Speaker 1: Mike Masa, Masa Media, you know, Melanie, Melanie Little and
Speaker 1: Mark Beroer attorney Mark Betterers now, uh, it's going to
Speaker 1: serve as as counsel for Turtle Boy, among many of
Speaker 1: you other content creators. Nurse Kim, I'm watching you, all
Speaker 1: of you. I love you guys. So anyway, without further ado,
Speaker 1: let us bring on the Great White Shark of Boston Leos.
Speaker 1: So just imagine like a great white shark and paste
Speaker 1: it on the nose. You see Sean's face, and then
Speaker 1: we're about a mile off shore and there's a swimming
Speaker 1: Brian Albert to cue up the jaws.
Speaker 2: You see at party people put your hands together for
Speaker 2: Eli Jeffe the man himself. They're retired supervisory DA agent
Speaker 2: Sean hey McDonald's DJ.
Speaker 3: What a what an intro. Thank you so much, Thank you, amen,
Speaker 3: you will man. This is You're welcome. Brother, It's so good. Listen.
Speaker 3: I can't believe you get all the players down. I mean,
Speaker 3: you said you didn't know about this case, but you
Speaker 3: got everyone down. It's beautiful. It's really nice.
Speaker 1: Thank you, brother. I've been consuming this this content rather
Speaker 1: incessantly in order to get up to speed with uh,
Speaker 1: what's going on in the case. And I am as
Speaker 1: I told you. I went to Dean College in Franklin.
Speaker 1: Many of my classmates are are distinguished law enforcement officers,
Speaker 1: so I'm still active, some retired, and I know they're
Speaker 1: probably mortified and they're in a difficult spot like you
Speaker 1: and Peter Murphy are right. So but I know I
Speaker 1: did talk to one of them. I can't say who
Speaker 1: he is. Because he's rather prominent in the area in
Speaker 1: law enforcement. But you know, he basically just described it
Speaker 1: as an S show. Well you know what.
Speaker 3: That's understand.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know I said, I said to him,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, chief that this would not have
Speaker 1: happened in your in your town. And he's yeah, like,
Speaker 1: I know, it wouldn't have. So so I just want
Speaker 1: to say I am a big fan of not only
Speaker 1: Sean two point oh, I am also a fan of
Speaker 1: Sean one point oh. And you know why I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you. I just want to tell you guys something
Speaker 1: before we get into because I have a line of
Speaker 1: questions for Sean that I want to go into, but
Speaker 1: before I do that. And one, love to Massachusetts, Like
Speaker 1: I said, I went to college here and I just
Speaker 1: love your state. But you have this way of going
Speaker 1: after people in this first person dialogue. And I was
Speaker 1: driving to take my dogs to the forest out here
Speaker 1: in Georgia, and Sean's going, all right, and next we
Speaker 1: gotta get to where's this guy proctic? Come on, let
Speaker 1: me just catch up and come on, a little mikey Ah,
Speaker 1: there you are. Now we got and you had him
Speaker 1: on the screen. You go, little Mikey, let me tell
Speaker 1: you something you got, I'll come up from Naples. I'll
Speaker 1: walk in, but you get you gotta you gotta go in, Mike.
Speaker 1: And when you're doing that, I am having trouble staying
Speaker 1: on the road.
Speaker 3: That's not funny, you know, DJ. It's kind of funny
Speaker 3: because when I first got into this, back in the
Speaker 3: days of the I was actually anonymous in the Facebook groups.
Speaker 3: I was doing these anonymous messages purposely to attack. We'll
Speaker 3: not attack, I shouldn't say that to basically subliminately like
Speaker 3: a psyop operation, to the chief, to Brian Albert, to
Speaker 3: all these other people. And I told some of them
Speaker 3: odds that that's what that was my intention. And then
Speaker 3: when I finally like almost eight months later, when I
Speaker 3: got into this platform, it was like I was I
Speaker 3: communicate to these people because I know they're listening, and
Speaker 3: I'm a former law enforcement guy. I know the game,
Speaker 3: and I know what they're going through, all right. They
Speaker 3: never thought that they were going to be looked at.
Speaker 3: They never thought that the FBI was watching over their shoulders.
Speaker 3: And you know, I try to tell people I was
Speaker 3: giving the little hints along these when I first died
Speaker 3: with Aiden. Then I went to Kevin Lenihan back in
Speaker 3: the good old days this is just a year ago.
Speaker 3: And then I went to Mike Crawford in different various
Speaker 3: and I was giving little trickers because I had the
Speaker 3: answers to the test. I just couldn't give it out publicly.
Speaker 3: I felt I felt kind of guilty in a way,
Speaker 3: but in a different way, it felt dynamite. I felt that,
Speaker 3: you know, if I could just let loose now, but
Speaker 3: I didn't want to really mess up a lot of things.
Speaker 3: Of course, until Natalie, who actually gave me the answers
Speaker 3: to the test, when she flipped, I said, okay, well
Speaker 3: she's going to give it over to those people. Now's
Speaker 3: my time. I can start letting these little knuckuts out
Speaker 3: in a little bit more aggressive fashion. But they couldn't
Speaker 3: give out what I had because that would destroy them.
Speaker 3: They were giving out things that was in a bad
Speaker 3: life for Karen. But see it wasn't much of that,
Speaker 3: you know. They were trying. Like see, Aid didn't even
Speaker 3: really give up the fact that he was communicating with anyone. Right,
Speaker 3: So when I found out where his ankles, this is great.
Speaker 3: He can do his thing and I can start thinking
Speaker 3: about okay, as a federal agent, what are those guys
Speaker 3: doing now? And it became brystal clear. But along the
Speaker 3: way I kept dropping little hints, little hints, and I said,
Speaker 3: that's it. I'm going full fledge on this thing.
Speaker 1: In any battle, you know, if you're in any sort
Speaker 1: of a conflict that's like a military conflict, you don't
Speaker 1: want to have one front to the war. So you
Speaker 1: could be on one front and pushing very very strongly,
Speaker 1: but you would want to have somebody like Aiden or
Speaker 1: or Mike or others are Mesa making a flanking maneuvers
Speaker 1: that they have to now defend those areas or you
Speaker 1: know jen O'Donnell or Rita Lombardi right or and their groups.
Speaker 1: So I tell the UFO community this all the time,
Speaker 1: that's always trying to push on the government to release
Speaker 1: this information. You need, you know, go to if you
Speaker 1: go to the British government, you know, go to the
Speaker 1: Australian government, go to the Canadian government. Open up a
Speaker 1: second front. Because we all know that the Five Eyes
Speaker 1: agreement they're sharing intel should all these these these five eyes, right,
Speaker 1: So it's the same here and in the way that
Speaker 1: your front could you know, Aiden could be, you know,
Speaker 1: pressuring them on a different front, and quite frankly, he
Speaker 1: has been. Let me ask you something for my own edification,
Speaker 1: because I know everybody that's in the audience knows this.
Speaker 1: And by the way, so I'm just now checking the comments.
Speaker 1: I don't even know if Julie's here, are not our
Speaker 1: chat moderator, But anyway, thank you everybody for coming along.
Speaker 1: There's so many of you. I'm so excited that you're here.
Speaker 1: It looks like Courtney's just texting me, so I'm not
Speaker 1: sure what she's saying. Let me see. If you have
Speaker 1: a question for Sean, let me know. We will make
Speaker 1: time for that. If you're so inclined and you have
Speaker 1: the ability to throw a super chat our Hello, the
Speaker 1: glarer in the house, Hello, Hello everybody, Ernie, Mary, Katara,
Speaker 1: Ruby Khan, Kathy, Data, Data five, Reality Check. What's up?
Speaker 1: So yeah, if if, if you have the ability to
Speaker 1: throw a dollar away, that would be awesome. And if
Speaker 1: you don't, you're still awesome, and we'll still to Sean
Speaker 1: absolutely dollar.
Speaker 3: Right, it's a dollar. They know what that's all about. Right,
Speaker 3: it's a hot job.
Speaker 1: For three years of the show we've made I think
Speaker 1: this last week. We've made our first literal few bucks.
Speaker 1: We've never taken super chats or anything, but I want
Speaker 1: to start paying these uh four people, the other three
Speaker 1: people that are on my show, and Julie our chat. Hey, Julie,
Speaker 1: what's up? That's our chat miner. So Julie's here, Thank god. So, Julie,
Speaker 1: this this is Sean. He's awesome. You love him.
Speaker 3: She may need a couple more, I think, but you
Speaker 3: never know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Julie shout out to Charlotte Jay if he can
Speaker 1: jump on and and moderate. But all right, Sean, let's
Speaker 1: get into it. Courtney will join us shortly. I'd like
Speaker 1: to start you off at the bar and you you
Speaker 1: have some interesting, obviously observations from the bar. So and
Speaker 1: if if you guys see something in the chat that
Speaker 1: Sean and I missed relative to the bar, please just
Speaker 1: let us know if you have a question all caps,
Speaker 1: if you're able to super chat wonderful Sean at the bar,
Speaker 1: what were your takeaways to specific touch points from the bar? Please?
Speaker 3: You know it's funny that video came very very late
Speaker 3: in the game, even in the trial. I believe, uh
Speaker 3: it was in Alan Jackson's closing that he directed people
Speaker 3: to see that video. He said, he cautioned you. He said,
Speaker 3: listen when you're watching that video, because someone had put
Speaker 3: it out. I figured, I think it's true crime. Kang Listen.
Speaker 3: I'm horrible with remembering nicknames. I know who you are,
Speaker 3: like DJ, you know Sam Marco, I know who you are.
Speaker 3: I can that's but you know, I think it was
Speaker 3: true crime Kangaroo, I pull. I believe so, and she
Speaker 3: put this video. I said, oh my god, because bottom line, DJ,
Speaker 3: that was something I really looked in on. So if
Speaker 3: people go back, it was at the end of the night,
Speaker 3: Brian and Brian Higgins, Bryan out, Brian Higgins kind of leaving,
Speaker 3: and Chris Albert is kind of like doing a separation
Speaker 3: move onto Brian Higgins, okay, and he's motioning John and
Speaker 3: he's pointing at him, pointing at him, pointing at the door,
Speaker 3: back and forth. Chris is pushing him out. Brian alb
Speaker 3: was just standing there. It seems like the the the
Speaker 3: issue was between Brian Higgins and John O'Keefe. Now at
Speaker 3: the same time the camera where she did she broke
Speaker 3: She broke it down masterfully too. She's zoomed in on
Speaker 3: the actions between Brian Higgins, Brian Albert, and Chris Albert.
Speaker 3: And there's no doubt Chris Albert is acting as a
Speaker 3: person blocking Brian Higgins from John, like keeping him separated,
Speaker 3: keeping Brian's actions so that John couldn't see it. Well,
Speaker 3: then she focuses on John O'Keefe and he's looking, he's
Speaker 3: putting his head down, and all of a sudden, he
Speaker 3: does I call it the alley shuffle, and my good
Speaker 3: friend JFK says the heel toe whatever you want to
Speaker 3: call it. John was basically saying, all right, motherfucker, you
Speaker 3: come to me now, listen. In honest, I don't know
Speaker 3: how much John knew all right, but the thing is
Speaker 3: there was definitely some animosity, clearly. And I am a
Speaker 3: prophetic reader of body language. I had to I mean,
Speaker 3: when I was on the I had to.
Speaker 1: Read the job.
Speaker 3: You know, my job, especially when you're you know, on
Speaker 3: the in a different langth which you know. They can
Speaker 3: be laughing at him and they said I'm gonna kill you,
Speaker 3: and you're thinking, oh, this fucking guy is just you're
Speaker 3: laughing at me. But he's he's testing you. When you
Speaker 3: see the person in their body language, the spoken workers
Speaker 3: out the door. This video is absolutely mind boggling, and
Speaker 3: I have to give credit to the defense, the team
Speaker 3: because they were able to separate the third party culprit defense.
Speaker 3: They allowed Lally to put it on. In his case
Speaker 3: get a figure. Lally put on sixty eight witnesses, the
Speaker 3: most boring testimony, but he put on the three main
Speaker 3: culprits that they identified during the pre trial hearings, Albert
Speaker 3: Higgins and the other colin order. Right, it was a
Speaker 3: gift because they had. All they had to do is
Speaker 3: just I questioned them getting them locked in on their statements.
Speaker 3: So they come to their time, their time to put
Speaker 3: on the case. Now, remember, if convicted, Karen is going
Speaker 3: to jail for the rest of her life on murder too.
Speaker 3: There's no doubt about it. For them to come out
Speaker 3: and only put six witnesses on it was like a masterpiece, right.
Speaker 3: Something in their game plan said, we got this right.
Speaker 3: She is not going to jail. Do we get the
Speaker 3: enng who knows, But we're not going to get twelve
Speaker 3: people to agree that she's killed me. And they didn't
Speaker 3: give up anything. They gave up nothing, which means if
Speaker 3: it ever does go to a second trial, which I
Speaker 3: don't believe it will. I didn't believe this was going
Speaker 3: to go to a second to a trial at all,
Speaker 3: based on what my knowledge is. It was a suicide
Speaker 3: mission for the Commonwealth. They failed. The Commonwealth absolutely failed
Speaker 3: because they get one shot. They gave up all their cards.
Speaker 3: They gave it all up. This theory is in the
Speaker 3: waste basket. I mean, come on, it's always hit by
Speaker 3: is n I was hit by a car and he
Speaker 3: was catapulted to twelve to fifteen feet. It does not
Speaker 3: pass the sniff test. And now they're locked in. They
Speaker 3: can't change it.
Speaker 1: Right that. Yeah, they're locked into their theory of the case.
Speaker 3: And now when you have the lead investigator with one
Speaker 3: foot out the door, the other two are going to
Speaker 3: be looked at hard because they're the supervisor. Listen. As
Speaker 3: a supervisor myself, you know, it was great being with
Speaker 3: the guys, you know, coming up the ranks and you're
Speaker 3: knocking doors down, you're dropping down beers after a good job,
Speaker 3: yell high five, and you become a supervisor. It's not fun.
Speaker 3: You're responsible. I was responsible for fifteen guys, right, and
Speaker 3: you can't be their friends. You have to be the supervisor.
Speaker 3: It looks like Kelly and Ury all right, Blu Pennick,
Speaker 3: they lost sight of their role. And by doing so,
Speaker 3: let's let's let's face it, when even forget about the text,
Speaker 3: even some of the things that Proctor was doing, and
Speaker 3: you're a Buchanic, how they should have been on top
Speaker 3: of that. Should have definitely been on top of that.
Speaker 3: And I see, not only will they get the failure
Speaker 3: to supervise, but they're going to get a lot more
Speaker 3: administrative wise up to criminal And I do believe that
Speaker 3: the FEDS have been pretty tightened up.
Speaker 1: And they should. You know, I was a first sergeant
Speaker 1: when I retired, and I was responsible for the enlisted
Speaker 1: force and the squadron, and it was very similar. You know,
Speaker 1: you can you know, you you have to. They have
Speaker 1: to know that you care about them, but you can't
Speaker 1: be their buddy, you know, or because if you do that,
Speaker 1: then you can't afford standards. Right, And here's let me
Speaker 1: let me bring somebody in here. Courtney connected Hey Courtney.
Speaker 4: Hey, Hi Sean, nice to meet you. Sorry, I'm out
Speaker 4: a little bit late, had some family stuff.
Speaker 3: Better late than never. Accordney, nice to meet you, and
Speaker 3: thank you for have me on. It's a pleasure.
Speaker 1: Do you want to tell me your background real quick?
Speaker 1: Just so he kind of knows. I don't know if
Speaker 1: he's looked at your backun.
Speaker 3: Never have a clearance here. I just do I because
Speaker 3: I remember going into all these brief things with Southcommon
Speaker 3: and and all these muckety MUCKs from c I. Hey,
Speaker 3: uh what, there's always one. Everyone got their Yeah, there's
Speaker 3: always one, right as they should. They should go ahead.
Speaker 1: Yeah, somebody need tell man kids Boston. I'm sorry, go ahead, Court,
Speaker 1: tell them about your background real quick.
Speaker 5: I just coology. Mainly. I worked in mental health social services.
Speaker 4: I did a fair amount of lobbying for mental health
Speaker 4: and homelessness in Seattle, Washington.
Speaker 5: I won a few awards for my work there.
Speaker 4: I worked in law for a period of time, and
Speaker 4: so I have a bit of both to bring to
Speaker 4: our podcast tonight.
Speaker 3: Oh that's awesome, Courtney.
Speaker 1: That's cool, right, Okay, So I got a couple of
Speaker 1: things that I'm gonna get to. We're back in the bar,
Speaker 1: But Court, we can barely hear you. So check your
Speaker 1: mic and see if you can turn up your volume.
Speaker 1: How do you hear me? Do you hear me? Well?
Speaker 1: I hear you fine, Okay, I'm hearing you better now.
Speaker 1: I hear you a little better now, Okay, So you
Speaker 1: may just have to if you don't have any MIC,
Speaker 1: you may just have to lean forward to get closer
Speaker 1: to your laptop's mic. Okay, yep, thank you, my friend.
Speaker 1: This is UH, one of four of us on calling
Speaker 1: all beings Courtney connected. I like to call her UH.
Speaker 1: And she is she Yeah, like I said, she's a
Speaker 1: PhD candidate and psychology and author, and she's our lead
Speaker 1: investigor lead investigator for a true crime unsolved. Okay, Sean one.
Speaker 1: Two things I want to bring to you because I
Speaker 1: want to work methodically through this and then the audience
Speaker 1: can bring up questions that they have a relative to
Speaker 1: those areas so we can work our way through the case.
Speaker 1: We're gonna get to you, Yuri, So don't worry. We're
Speaker 1: not gonna leave you out. We're not gonna leave you
Speaker 1: out totally. We're gonna get to you. But first in
Speaker 1: the bar. Two things that you and I can't see
Speaker 1: that we would have seen is potentially Higgins and John
Speaker 1: making eye contact. And you know what that eye contact means.
Speaker 1: That eye contact is you want some.
Speaker 3: Of this exactly, no doubt about it, Okay, and we
Speaker 3: you know, it seems like John was able to, you know,
Speaker 3: get Brian Higgins not as defensive. He came over, immediately
Speaker 3: embraced him, and embraced Brian Albert. So if if it
Speaker 3: was any hint that John o'keith knew anything about Higgins
Speaker 3: and Karen, he totally diffused or gave an end around
Speaker 3: on Higgins. In Higgins's brain, all right, something definitely happened
Speaker 3: during the course of the night. As Higgins and Brian
Speaker 3: Albert are leaving, something definitely happened. And the body language
Speaker 3: is you can't dispute the body language.
Speaker 1: The other thing, Now, this is where I want to
Speaker 1: go to before we go to the house. Sure do
Speaker 1: you think, Sean, that the entire events that would unfold
Speaker 1: later were set up right there? Do you think that
Speaker 1: the reason that John told Karen, I want to go
Speaker 1: to that damn house party is because he wanted to
Speaker 1: show that he's not afraid to be alone in a
Speaker 1: house and to face down Brian and Brian in a
Speaker 1: public in a private setting.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, if in the fact we're correct in
Speaker 3: what we're viewing and seeing, that was kind of an
Speaker 3: aggressive type, you know, back and forth between John and Brian. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think he probably said, hey, listen, I'm not taking
Speaker 3: shift from this asshole, you know. And let's face it,
Speaker 3: it would probably have been a whole different story with
Speaker 3: Brian Albert. Right. But Higgins, he's a fake. He's he's
Speaker 3: a wanna be. He's a Tagalon right. I mean, just
Speaker 3: look at him. He looks like one of the characters
Speaker 3: from Spanking in Our Gang. I mean, let's face it,
Speaker 3: he's one of the characters. I'm sorry, I mean that's
Speaker 3: the way I look at him.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: You know, I know people who know him. I know
Speaker 3: people he's dated. He's got a very great impression of himself.
Speaker 3: But he doesn't have the asked to. He doesn't have
Speaker 3: the ask that Brian Albert does. He's just a Tagalin,
Speaker 3: that's it. He's got a badge and a gun. He's
Speaker 3: got a prestigious position, but he's a Tagalon, that's it.
Speaker 3: You know. You know who they are, you know how
Speaker 3: they are. DJ We've seen him many times before.
Speaker 1: Yep. People that they're not the quiet professionals that you know.
Speaker 1: In AFSC we say that we're quiet professionals and some
Speaker 1: people just didn't act that way. They wanted to try to,
Speaker 1: you know, be tough and be cool and try to
Speaker 1: fake themselves. Would you have if you were John O'Keefe
Speaker 1: and Brian Higgins was staring you down like that and
Speaker 1: you were in John shoes and that you were there
Speaker 1: and your girlfriend, would you have wanted to go to
Speaker 1: the house to show him I'm not afraid of you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're texting me actually.
Speaker 3: Coming right coming, And I probably would have told If
Speaker 3: I was John, I would have probably told Karen go home,
Speaker 3: I'm going to take care of this. Now we're assuming,
Speaker 3: we're speculating that certain things were out, We had no doubt. Listen,
Speaker 3: Karen wanted to eat. She said she was starved, right.
Speaker 3: She wanted Chris to open up the ovens because they
Speaker 3: had done it before. I guess these guys because it's,
Speaker 3: you know, after Jennery first around this special diet. But
Speaker 3: yet they're eating potato skins and slamming down beers and vodkas.
Speaker 3: I mean, come on, right, yeah, So Chris goes, ah,
Speaker 3: I'm not going to open up the ovens. But the
Speaker 3: thing is, if if I was always of the impression
Speaker 3: right that it was not a lure job, i'd have
Speaker 3: to see in this video. I have a whole different,
Speaker 3: whole different outlook on because of that video.
Speaker 1: Okay, So even if we end Courtney, I'm gonna get
Speaker 1: you in here next on this, Even if we split
Speaker 1: it down the middle and it's ambiguous whether or not
Speaker 1: it was a lure job or not in John's mind.
Speaker 1: The reason I ask you that question is if he
Speaker 1: sees this guy eyeballing him and there's a little bit
Speaker 1: of Ali's shuffle and Higgins is there, he doesn't have
Speaker 1: a girl, he's drunk, and now he's pissed because they're
Speaker 1: those guys and you guys in the in the chat,
Speaker 1: you know this, that person at the bar that's looking
Speaker 1: at that girl over there, he wishes he was with
Speaker 1: her and he's not whether you're with her, so you
Speaker 1: know what, he wants to kick your ass, right exactly,
Speaker 1: and that so that gets the stare down. So I'm
Speaker 1: trying to establish why wanted to go there? Why did
Speaker 1: he want to go to this house? And the only
Speaker 1: thing I can come up with, based on what you
Speaker 1: highlighted there, is that he wanted to show them I'm
Speaker 1: not afraid of.
Speaker 3: You guys, right and like I said, John looking at
Speaker 3: like looking at him, how he was at Let's see
Speaker 3: if McCarthy's you know this. John seemed to be a
Speaker 3: very quiet, I'm not in your face type of guy.
Speaker 3: Not that that he was docile, it's just that he can't.
Speaker 3: He was very secure as a man, all right. He
Speaker 3: didn't have to be boisterous. He didn't have to be like,
Speaker 3: yeah I'm gonna let's go yeah, yeah, rush rush, you know,
Speaker 3: let's let's go have some playfight here. Whatever the hell
Speaker 3: these two, those two knitwit's were doing right at the bar.
Speaker 3: But John seemed to be a very secure guy, no
Speaker 3: bones about it, no bullshit, right, sit down, have it.
Speaker 3: He was always scolping, like most cops. He was sculping
Speaker 3: the area he was, he was working the floor, he
Speaker 3: was at the let's see if McCarthy should looking at
Speaker 3: the front door. One of these things I was picking
Speaker 3: up in him and one of the things that I
Speaker 3: myself do even today. You know, my wife loves to
Speaker 3: mess with me. She always gets the she always gets
Speaker 3: the table facing the door on purpose. But you know,
Speaker 3: so you can't watch it. She does it on purpose,
Speaker 3: She does it. She loves messing with me. Especially you
Speaker 3: know now, so but no, and then and then when
Speaker 3: they John and Karen move over to unfriendly waters. Let's
Speaker 3: face it, you know, he's an outsider. He's going in
Speaker 3: with the sharks, right, and where's he positioned himself to
Speaker 3: the back of the bar, and he's watching everyone else.
Speaker 3: He's behind all the sharks, he's behind the women, he's
Speaker 3: behind the guys, and he's watching. He's going even further
Speaker 3: back to the side of the bar. He's watching, right.
Speaker 3: I picked that up. I kept watching, I kept rewinding,
Speaker 3: you know, the long crime video. He's always watching, right,
Speaker 3: So something my, a little bit of his intent might
Speaker 3: have been up. Hey, now here's the other thing. Karen
Speaker 3: had a few pops maybe she said, look at this
Speaker 3: knit what he's texting me? Well, hey, by the way,
Speaker 3: that is a classic Higgins text. You have no many DearS,
Speaker 3: you have no many no idea. How many women who
Speaker 3: had dated this guy said that's him? He always says,
Speaker 3: I mean, what a what a great order, what a
Speaker 3: great speaker?
Speaker 1: He must be?
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, and you know so yeah, So anyways,
Speaker 3: John was definitely and he had a couple of pops too.
Speaker 3: Let's face it, he was definitely on alert, you know,
Speaker 3: because he wasn't in friendly territory. He hadn't known Brian
Speaker 3: Albert much at all. I think he had met him
Speaker 3: for the first time six days prior to that night.
Speaker 3: Parent took a photo of John, Chris, and some other
Speaker 3: guy at the hillside six days before that night. Okay,
Speaker 3: you know, John knew Chris. He knew Julie because they
Speaker 3: were neighbors. I don't know how much they knew, but
Speaker 3: you know, and Karen seemed to be very gracious. She
Speaker 3: was popping around, you know, but John was reserved and
Speaker 3: he was looking. But when that, you know, towards eleven
Speaker 3: fifty five, towards the twelve o'clock hour, something was exchanged
Speaker 3: between Higgins and John. Unfortunately. You know, maybe if they
Speaker 3: asked the band the guy everyone wants to know, who's
Speaker 3: that older guy walking by. He's one of the band guys.
Speaker 3: There was a band there. I don't know if he
Speaker 3: was the drummer or the bass guy, but you know,
Speaker 3: maybe someone should ask him because he was right there.
Speaker 3: He was listening. He was listening to what Chris had.
Speaker 3: As a matter of fact, this guy had to do
Speaker 3: a b line around around Chris and Brian and Brian Albert.
Speaker 3: So maybe someone remembers maybe, you know, people remember things
Speaker 3: that they see it visually. Oh yeah, I remember those
Speaker 3: two trying to calm this guy down. Brian Higgins Pribance, Hey,
Speaker 3: fuck you, motherfucker. You come with me, bitch, you know
Speaker 3: something will remember that. Hey listen, I've been there a
Speaker 3: million times. I've seen it all. I've seen it. I've
Speaker 3: seen it done in Spanish, I've seen it done everywhere.
Speaker 3: And you just don't You don't forget the body language.
Speaker 3: You don't have to have the words. You just exed
Speaker 3: that body language.
Speaker 1: Exactly did We don't have the resolution to see that eyeballing,
Speaker 1: but we can definitely see that, like you said, the
Speaker 1: body language. And thank you so much for your your grace.
Speaker 1: That's the evening and for your blessing. That's beautiful. Uh
Speaker 1: read this one, Courtney, and then you get your question
Speaker 1: as Sean, please.
Speaker 4: Thank you for this coverage. We love Sean and want
Speaker 4: justice for Karen. Reading Officer John O'Keefe.
Speaker 1: Oh beautiful, the great white shark chasing Brian Albert through
Speaker 1: the water.
Speaker 3: So listen real quick. So now if you remember the
Speaker 3: Greek the wife her testimony, now becomes very important. Okay,
Speaker 3: her testimony is that Brian, No, no, there was cocka
Speaker 3: wakas I listen, I'm gonna ho these names. Okay, there
Speaker 3: was too. There was a couple they testified a trial
Speaker 3: and the wife of the of the they were Greek.
Speaker 3: They were Greek. They were part of the basketball. Well
Speaker 3: she testified. She said, listen. Jen McCabe was telling Karen, no, Jen,
Speaker 3: you come with me, all right, I have a surprise
Speaker 3: for you. She was trying. Yeah, Karina got boy, Michael,
Speaker 3: thank you so much. And Michael does a great impression
Speaker 3: of me. I don't know if you know goat boy.
Speaker 3: He's in the goat boy.
Speaker 1: All right, I will have you on to do an
Speaker 1: impression of Sean, so please dm me on Twitter.
Speaker 3: I would love to have you on to Doe.
Speaker 1: I love how Sean talks.
Speaker 3: So yes, he did, he did, and he even does
Speaker 3: Kevin Lenahan much better. But no, getting back to Carina Cucolaca.
Speaker 3: So you know, yes, Amanda, Amanda's great, Amanda's incredible. So
Speaker 3: her testimony now even makes it better. They were definitely
Speaker 3: trying to separate Karen from John. Okay, now John had
Speaker 3: no car It was Karen had the car, So John
Speaker 3: was gonna have to get arrived by those knuckleheads and Jen,
Speaker 3: I guess was gonna I guess was gonna go with Karen.
Speaker 3: That that really makes sense. And the quote was and
Speaker 3: she was very credible. Oh no, you're gonna have to
Speaker 3: come with me. I have a surprise. I have a surprise,
Speaker 3: like trying to entice Karen. And you know, like Jen said,
Speaker 3: if you remember the guest I had on Joan, right,
Speaker 3: that was a great jen Her forte was, I can
Speaker 3: get anybody to.
Speaker 1: Do to everybody I want. Yes, she's very persuasive or manipulative,
Speaker 1: depending upon.
Speaker 3: Your evil genius.
Speaker 1: All right, yeah, so if she if she rides with
Speaker 1: if she rides with John and Karen, John still alive. No,
Speaker 1: potentially or at least she can't be framed.
Speaker 3: You want to separate John, Remember John didn't have a vehicle.
Speaker 3: She wanted Karen to separate from John and John go
Speaker 3: with the boys. Oh wow, wow, Okay, Jen was gonna
Speaker 3: jump in in Karen's car and give it this little surprise.
Speaker 3: There was there was a there was there was a plan.
Speaker 3: There was some kind of plan. So I mean this thing,
Speaker 3: I'll tell you DJ and Courtney. This case never ends.
Speaker 3: It just when you think you can exhale and take
Speaker 3: a break, something else pops up. It's It's truly amazing.
Speaker 1: Yuri shows up at somebody's house asking why they called
Speaker 1: Jen McKay a year ago. Yeah, I'm like, is this
Speaker 1: happening right now? And he's being filmed. Let me get
Speaker 1: Courtney in here, because Courtney's been trying to spend the
Speaker 1: last twenty four hours to get up to speed. She
Speaker 1: graciously jumped into the case so she could join and
Speaker 1: join me in this interview. So go ahead, Courtney.
Speaker 4: Well, first of all, I want to say I've been
Speaker 4: reading a lot about John O'Keefe everything I can because
Speaker 4: of what happened to him, and trying to read as
Speaker 4: much as I can about the family statements and people
Speaker 4: who knew him, because most of the case is about
Speaker 4: what happened in the mistrial and what led up to it.
Speaker 4: So I was struggling to find a potential motive. Sean,
Speaker 4: what have you found in terms of a motive?
Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying. Until this video surface, I didn't
Speaker 3: really think there was a motive. My original thought was, okay,
Speaker 3: like myself, the party never ended for me. If there
Speaker 3: was the last call to be had, I was there
Speaker 3: if it was, if there was like a whatever, you know,
Speaker 3: I didn't want the party to stop. And when Brian
Speaker 3: extended this invite, right, you know, I probably thought that, okay,
Speaker 3: you know, since Karen wanted to eat, right, she wasn't
Speaker 3: willing to go home that quickly. And then they decided
Speaker 3: to shut the ovens, you know, that idea off. So
Speaker 3: everyone's heading over to John's house, I mean to Brian's house,
Speaker 3: Brian Albert something. So my initial thought was something from
Speaker 3: the ride from Waterfall over the thirty four Fairview, okay,
Speaker 3: was in fact something happened between John and Karen? Right,
Speaker 3: She probably said, come on, let's go. There's a snowstorm coming,
Speaker 3: and in my understanding, if I go, I had to
Speaker 3: go back to my notes. I believe Karen wasn't going
Speaker 3: to stay with John. Karen was John's ride home. There
Speaker 3: was a text message that John sent to Karen when
Speaker 3: he was at c. F. McCarthy's that I'm depending on
Speaker 3: you from my ride, right, because the other guy's left,
Speaker 3: and so Karen eventually comes. So he's dependent on Karen
Speaker 3: for a ride home. And my understanding is that Karen
Speaker 3: was going to high tail it back to Mansfield to
Speaker 3: her place because of whatever, maybe because she because of
Speaker 3: the snowstorm and maybe whatever, and she wanted to get
Speaker 3: John to go home, because who's going to take care
Speaker 3: of the niece. I think the nephew was with other friends,
Speaker 3: but the niece was there with a friend, and she
Speaker 3: knew the friend had to go home. So Karen's being
Speaker 3: the mother and John's kind of saying, well, I can
Speaker 3: go for a couple more beers, you go home and
Speaker 3: I'll meet you afterwards. I'll get a right whatever. And
Speaker 3: that didn't happen. So that's what that was always my theory.
Speaker 3: Now this other thing with the with the the standoff
Speaker 3: between Brian Higgins and John, well, that then throws a
Speaker 3: monkey wrench because it now gives credence as to why
Speaker 3: Jen McKay said, Karen, you come with me, I'll go
Speaker 3: with you, like she wants to separate John from the crowd,
Speaker 3: from from from I'm sorry, from Karen and let John
Speaker 3: go with the boys. Whether I believe it was going
Speaker 3: to be with Brian and Nicole or somebody or maybe Higgins,
Speaker 3: who knows, who knows if if Matt McKay was going
Speaker 3: to give Brian Albert's car wife a ride in his car.
Speaker 3: Who knows something. There was a definite plan now to
Speaker 3: me now thinking about this and going over it, there
Speaker 3: was a definite plan on their part. But Karen didn't bite.
Speaker 3: She didn't bite, so she ended up bringing John there.
Speaker 3: And I guess there might have been some discussion, heavy
Speaker 3: discussions in the car. But you know, the motive could
Speaker 3: be something to do with Higgins.
Speaker 4: Okay, I heard you guys talking about Higgins, and I
Speaker 4: read about Higgins, and I have another question for you, Sean,
Speaker 4: because I want to see if this psychology matches, because
Speaker 4: it looked like John was responsible. There had been some
Speaker 4: tragedies in his family. He became a guardian for his
Speaker 4: niece and nephew, and why would he have made the
Speaker 4: decisions to stay out later and go to a potential
Speaker 4: house party when he's the responsible adult for these young
Speaker 4: children that he's a guardian for. That's another thing that
Speaker 4: didn't make make sense to me, because he seems like
Speaker 4: a responsible guy. He cares about the kids. Why would
Speaker 4: he go out and drink late at night like this
Speaker 4: rather than going home?
Speaker 3: So on the first theory I had. Maybe he just
Speaker 3: wanted because he just basically met Brian Albert for the
Speaker 3: first time, and maybe he felt maybe I can you know,
Speaker 3: he invited me to his house. Maybe I can gratiate myself.
Speaker 3: Maybe I want another beer. Maybe you know, Karen could
Speaker 3: come in. We'll have a few beers. We'll get right home.
Speaker 3: You know, a nightcap, like a nightcap, right, I was
Speaker 3: great for nightcaps anyways. But this other thing, it might
Speaker 3: have been more motive where he said to Karen, fuck
Speaker 3: this guy. I'm going in there and tune this guy up,
Speaker 3: or see what the hell he wants. Maybe I don't
Speaker 3: think John had the I don't think John had the
Speaker 3: intention of fighting everyone. I think he wanted to call
Speaker 3: out pagans, say what's up? What are you doing? One
Speaker 3: thing in either theory, in either scenario, Okay, John definitely
Speaker 3: had some He was he had some anger in him,
Speaker 3: whether it was from the an argument he had a Karen,
Speaker 3: or if he had an argument, or he had some
Speaker 3: questions and he was pissed off about Brian. And the
Speaker 3: one thing about the psychology about Brian Albert. Okay, who
Speaker 3: has been known to beat up many many cops in
Speaker 3: public off duty while drinking. Brian Albert can smell blood
Speaker 3: and he can smell aggression. He's like one of these dogs.
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, when he's drinking, he's on high alert.
Speaker 3: He's on high vicious alert. And I believe no matter
Speaker 3: what the motive, I mean, what the scenario is, John
Speaker 3: walked in agitated, and when an attack dog sees agitation
Speaker 3: or adrenaline, right, that attack dog is going to attack.
Speaker 3: And I believe Brian. Maybe I don't think Higgins had
Speaker 3: the cajones to go after John. I just don't think
Speaker 3: he's that guy. But I believe Brian stood up to
Speaker 3: John right, and I believe the other. Listen, We've had
Speaker 3: a lot of talk about Colin during the summer, all right.
Speaker 3: We had information about Brian putting Colin in the house
Speaker 3: with Brian. We have Steve Scanlon who tipped off Yanettie
Speaker 3: saying the beating was between the nephew and Brian Albert
Speaker 3: right down the basement. Everything's pointing to that. Now, whatever
Speaker 3: why John went in, it's anybody's guests at this time.
Speaker 1: You guys, hear me.
Speaker 5: How is that any better?
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, my mic volume.
Speaker 5: I just have one more question DJ for Sean.
Speaker 3: Watch Courtney.
Speaker 4: One of the things that's really disturbing to me is
Speaker 4: the the inconsistencies around his body and the marks and
Speaker 4: the dog bite and some of this. How can the
Speaker 4: prosecution in their case basically have a defense against this
Speaker 4: because it's obviously not consistent with the car backing up
Speaker 4: over him. Potentially, when you're looking at the lacerations on
Speaker 4: his arm, what do you think about his actual injuries
Speaker 4: versus the defense that there was a car the prosecution
Speaker 4: that there's.
Speaker 3: Listen, I am fully convinced, all right, that the beating
Speaker 3: and the murder took place inside thirty four Fairview, all right,
Speaker 3: I believe because of certain documents I do have early
Speaker 3: on in from March of twenty twenty two, Karen knew
Speaker 3: who killed John, they knew what happened, and they knew
Speaker 3: how the District Attorney's office was framing her. That was
Speaker 3: March of twenty twenty two, not too long after John's death.
Speaker 3: The part about why, okay, it makes no sense, is
Speaker 3: it because they had to come up with a theory
Speaker 3: they had to to make to make the charges stick
Speaker 3: on Karen. They had to come up with a theory,
Speaker 3: and the theory basically was okay, she backed into John.
Speaker 3: Because here's the thing, this was, this was an investigation
Speaker 3: that was done backwards. Right, they fingered Karen at first. Right,
Speaker 3: they just had to go and find the evidence because originally,
Speaker 3: originally Karen, you know, was was not, I believe, not
Speaker 3: supposed to be the one to find John. I believe
Speaker 3: from certain things that we uncovered, there was maybe two
Speaker 3: or three attempts where there was calls being made that
Speaker 3: there's a pedestrian down on Fairview. I believe they wanted
Speaker 3: to make it look like an accident, like he got
Speaker 3: hit by a plow, and that would have definitely flown
Speaker 3: with the police, because in any case, they didn't want
Speaker 3: to do this in case to begin with, all right,
Speaker 3: if they were going to do a frame job on Karen, well,
Speaker 3: that would have been a lot easier to say, oh
Speaker 3: my god, it's a tragic accident, we don't know who
Speaker 3: did it. Poor John's dead, and we go home it
Speaker 3: was an accident, and then the killers walk away. But
Speaker 3: as it turns out, nobody responded. Nobody responded when Carrie
Speaker 3: Roberts called local hospitals and talked of the dispatcher at
Speaker 3: Canton PD at four. I believe it was four fifty
Speaker 3: three in the morning. Somewhere around five. She said, hey, listen,
Speaker 3: o'keith is missing. She told this to Sean Good. He
Speaker 3: took the call. Sean, I mean John o'keef is missing.
Speaker 3: He was at thirty four Fairview. You know, did someone
Speaker 3: tell Kerry to call? I mean she did the right thing.
Speaker 3: But maybe that was an attempt to get the Canton
Speaker 3: cops come out and make an inverted inavertent discovery. And
Speaker 3: that would have been another attempt. But then when Karen
Speaker 3: comes and they delay her an hour, right because there
Speaker 3: was back and forth? What there was no reason why
Speaker 3: they didn't go directly from Jen McCabe sauce directly to
Speaker 3: John O'Keeffe's, I mean to Brian Albert. Instead they went
Speaker 3: all the way over back to John sauce. Then these
Speaker 3: could have clearly called Jen McCabe had John come home.
Speaker 3: Their reason was, well, maybe John came home in the
Speaker 3: midst of Karen driving together. Jen mccab's, I know where
Speaker 3: Jen lives and I know where thirty four Fairview is.
Speaker 3: The logical route to find John was get back to
Speaker 3: where your last saw him. Anytime you do a search
Speaker 3: you go back to where you last saw the person,
Speaker 3: not where you not where you hoped him to be,
Speaker 3: where you last saw and then you do your search. Right.
Speaker 3: So a lot of things here that are kind of crazy.
Speaker 3: But like I said, I believe you know that they
Speaker 3: framed her based on her own statements, Let's face it.
Speaker 3: And when they had the friends and family meeting, it
Speaker 3: became a lot easier. Let's just do her and let's
Speaker 3: get the evidence and we'll frame her. We'll plant it
Speaker 3: and then we'll make it easy for them.
Speaker 1: But I want to talk about I want to talk
Speaker 1: about that for a second, about her alleged owned statements.
Speaker 1: But before I do that, Nurse Kim is in the building.
Speaker 3: How about Kim? Kim is excellent.
Speaker 1: Yes, I've reached out to you on Twitter, DM Kim.
Speaker 1: We would like to have you as our next guest
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Speaker 1: You're g like a little like Sean.
Speaker 3: All right, let me ask you a question. Is am
Speaker 3: I the first like carolee guest? Yes? Oh wow, that's
Speaker 3: an honor for me, that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's an honor for right the top guy. But we'd
Speaker 1: like to have a bunch of you on. So if
Speaker 1: some of you were out there and you want to
Speaker 1: come on and talk about this, we would like to
Speaker 1: have you on to do so. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I've reached out to Nurse Kim, Mike Crawford, mas of Media,
Speaker 1: Sean and Nurse Kim. Yeah, those are the only ones
Speaker 1: that I've reached out to thus far, but others. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: this is right. So here's here's my question. We were
Speaker 1: going to work methodically through this, but we've this train
Speaker 1: has already gone off the tracks, but we're going to
Speaker 1: try to reroute it like that.
Speaker 3: Of course.
Speaker 1: So I'm Sean. I believe those are alleged statements. I
Speaker 1: don't know that has she ever admitted that she said
Speaker 1: I hit him, I hit him, I hit him. No.
Speaker 1: I believe those are alleged.
Speaker 3: Those alleged, and they come from one source only, one
Speaker 3: source only, and none of those ems people ever wrote
Speaker 3: it down or you think you would think, now it's
Speaker 3: an important statement. Okay, Uh, that one cop saraph all right,
Speaker 3: he's saying I did I hit him? If they're saying,
Speaker 3: I if this Sarah is saying, as a police officer
Speaker 3: right that he heard her say I may have hit him?
Speaker 3: Did I hit him? Right? You have a you're almost
Speaker 3: duty bound to make an arrest. No, yeah, as cops
Speaker 3: are right. These cops are getting off on the midnight shift.
Speaker 3: Trust me, these guys who do nothing. The last thing
Speaker 3: they wanted was to arrest some of for homicide or
Speaker 3: some kind of fatal accident on when they could have
Speaker 3: been going home because an emerging snowstorm blizzard is coming
Speaker 3: down the path. So there's a lot of facts. A
Speaker 3: lot of people didn't do their job. A lot of
Speaker 3: people extinguished the memory of John O'Keefe and they didn't
Speaker 3: do anything for him. They could have had this whole
Speaker 3: thing tied up if if they were saying all those statements,
Speaker 3: they were duty bound to arrest her. Why didn't they
Speaker 3: He wasn't allegedly dead at the time those statements were made.
Speaker 3: That Sarah or that mulaney all right should have made
Speaker 3: an arrest right then and there.
Speaker 1: Well, according to your an our friend Turtle Boy, the
Speaker 1: legendary one, he said that not one of the can
Speaker 1: and I have a super chat aunt BB two. We're
Speaker 1: going to get to you right after this, so thank
Speaker 1: you so much for that blessing of twenty That is amazing.
Speaker 1: I'm sean They Okay, Turtle Boy has said, and maybe
Speaker 1: you can confirm or not confirm that none of the
Speaker 1: initial CAN officers that arrived on the scene, that investigated
Speaker 1: prior to the recusal documented that she said, and he
Speaker 1: made any statement like that, And my god, if you're
Speaker 1: an officer unseen and you have a potential, I don't
Speaker 1: know what would you call her at that At that point.
Speaker 3: She's she's making those statements. She's number one suspect, the.
Speaker 1: Number one, So you're telling me nobody would have written
Speaker 1: that down. And then it was only Jen's oh, her
Speaker 1: epiphany that happened. What was it three hours later at
Speaker 1: nine thirty. I can't remember what time she called, Oh,
Speaker 1: I had a memory that die.
Speaker 3: Right, because if you remember, and I've got the documents
Speaker 3: the working theory at the time before Jen at this memory.
Speaker 1: Epiphany, he came to me in a dream, John was.
Speaker 3: Hit by a cocktail glass. Okay, now they didn't know who.
Speaker 3: But when Brian Albert heard what the working theory was,
Speaker 3: face it, he's a seasoned cop. He's gonna say, they
Speaker 3: ain't gonna fly people. That's not gonna fly a ninety
Speaker 3: five pound woman. Sokun Wet is not gonna be able
Speaker 3: to kill a six foot two guy. That's a cop.
Speaker 3: He knows better. Right, So that theory, that whole statement
Speaker 3: went from, because at ten forty five, Yuri is calling
Speaker 3: the hospital and the medical staff there and he's admitting
Speaker 3: that we're still working this as a domestic where the Deceedon.
Speaker 3: Now at this time John's dead. The Deceedon was struck
Speaker 3: by a cocktail glass. That's a ten to forty five.
Speaker 3: So they're still working at that. But the eleven o'clock
Speaker 3: eleven fifteen, now they start doing the state police interviews
Speaker 3: and they got the whole story down, Pat right, and
Speaker 3: the fact and the fact, the fact Courtney and DJ
Speaker 3: that the lead detectives now cops, we're all curious, right,
Speaker 3: you as an investigator, as a lead investigator on a
Speaker 3: homicide or a dangerous or whatever type of situation, you
Speaker 3: have to go to the crime scene. It is the
Speaker 3: epicenter of your investigation.
Speaker 1: How could you not a Boston Cops dead here. I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna knock on the door and people. I think
Speaker 1: it's disingenuous for anyone out there to refer to this
Speaker 1: as shoddy police work, because shady means I'm ignorant. Potentially
Speaker 1: I'm stupid. This was purposeful not to go and not
Speaker 1: and and actually Proctor's text tell you as much. The
Speaker 1: text where his friends, it's say they're going to catch
Speaker 1: and shift this. I mean he's a Boston cop. Pooh,
Speaker 1: I mean you have to go and knock on that
Speaker 1: door and say I want to look around, and if
Speaker 1: I will, I will post an officer here and we
Speaker 1: will go and get a warrant and we'll get in.
Speaker 3: This house like the intry standards go and as turtle
Speaker 3: as the initial police officers who came the first on
Speaker 3: the scene, instead of hanging around right as the medics
Speaker 3: were taking care of John, right, they should have gone
Speaker 3: in that house because they saw a body on the
Speaker 3: ground that they were told he was dropped off to
Speaker 3: go to a party. Whether they believe Karen or not,
Speaker 3: they saw a body on the ground with no coat on.
Speaker 3: It's eighteen degrees, no shoe, right, and beaten right at first,
Speaker 3: he's beaten, his head is swollen, he's got scratches on him.
Speaker 3: He's bleeding profusely from the back of his head. They
Speaker 3: were duty bound to do a protective sweep at the minimum.
Speaker 3: God forbid. What what if that family was killed inside there?
Speaker 3: Anything can happen. They didn't even do that. And I
Speaker 3: know back when I was a coup that was that
Speaker 3: was like ingrained in us. Always secure the scene, secure
Speaker 3: for your own protection and for the protection of other
Speaker 3: witnesses or are other beings? Right, you don't know what
Speaker 3: the hell happened inside that house. He could have had
Speaker 3: free bodies dead. He didn't check. And there was a
Speaker 3: reason for that, because that reason for the news they
Speaker 3: knew back off, lay off this case layoff.
Speaker 5: How about the homeowner? Was he polygraphed yet Albert's.
Speaker 3: He was according he was never even a suspect, not one.
Speaker 3: It wasn't until the FBI made him a suspect.
Speaker 5: Right, So I'm just wondering if that has happened now since.
Speaker 3: The end, it will never happened. It will never happen now,
Speaker 3: and it would And Brian's too smart. He would never
Speaker 3: take a polygraph. He wouldn't. I mean, I mean, he's
Speaker 3: just too smart.
Speaker 1: And yeah, and so that The reason I laughed, Courtney,
Speaker 1: is because they didn't even see fit to knock on
Speaker 1: the guy's door to say can I look around? And
Speaker 1: he does he does. You know people that are out
Speaker 1: there that are like, oh, you know, Karen Reid backed
Speaker 1: over this guy at twenty four miles an hour in
Speaker 1: the snow. You know a police officer, first responder, and
Speaker 1: I'm not one. I mean, I'm a military, I'm military
Speaker 1: aviat your background, I'm not law enforcement officer, even though
Speaker 1: I studied in college this they would have they would
Speaker 1: have run out there and said, oh my god, there's
Speaker 1: a brother officer on my lawn. EMS fire police that
Speaker 1: are right outside my bedroom window. What was it twenty
Speaker 1: thirty feet? I don't know if anyone can get me
Speaker 1: the measurements so that that front, it's quite close, right.
Speaker 1: And he never came outside to see what was going on,
Speaker 1: And that was very purposeful because if he did, they
Speaker 1: could start asking him questions. And he knew that Proctor
Speaker 1: was not going to knock on his door because of
Speaker 1: the family connections. Let me get to Anti Anti BB
Speaker 1: two Aunt BB two. Thank you so much, ma'am for
Speaker 1: the blessings. You are awesome, Courtney, can you read this.
Speaker 5: One, hi, Sean.
Speaker 4: Lots of us in multiple chats are wondering Ojo lost
Speaker 4: approximately three liters of blood and it wasn't on the lawn,
Speaker 4: it was in the basement. Do you know why Aja
Speaker 4: or Yannetti didn't bring this up and end this farce
Speaker 4: at the trial?
Speaker 5: Thank you?
Speaker 3: Okay. So, thinking about their old defense and the fact
Speaker 3: they only put six witnesses on it, I believe there
Speaker 3: was a barded deal between the Feds and themselves and
Speaker 3: it was probably one of these things where, okay, let's
Speaker 3: face it, their job started at four o'clock in the evening.
Speaker 3: They went back to that war room, okay, like all
Speaker 3: good attorneys do, like the prosecution, once they figured out
Speaker 3: that Lally was going down the road. Okay, I'm going
Speaker 3: to front. I'm going to beat you Jackson at your
Speaker 3: own game. I'm going to front the third party culpers.
Speaker 3: I'm going to put on Jen McCabe. I'm going to
Speaker 3: put on Brian Albert. I'm gonna put on Colin Albert.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna put on Brian. I was absolutely shocked he
Speaker 3: did that, okay, and it had it actually had the
Speaker 3: reverse effect. Okay, So why didn't why didn't they even
Speaker 3: ask the medical examiner, right, because we all have depends
Speaker 3: on your body makeup, we all have a certain amount
Speaker 3: of blood and not assistant. And when you go through
Speaker 3: an autopsy, the first thing they do is they drain you.
Speaker 3: They drained the blood, and they know how many leaders
Speaker 3: you're supposed to have, and they know how many leaders
Speaker 3: you had, and you're on the table, right, And that
Speaker 3: was one of the things that was never asked. Okay.
Speaker 3: I believe based on the way the defense presented their
Speaker 3: defense of Karen, that they just decided, okay, well, we're
Speaker 3: not giving up anything. We're gonna treat this as a
Speaker 3: simple hit and run. Beat my pay by the Department
Speaker 3: of Justice experts with PhDs, beat them, and that's what
Speaker 3: they did. They didn't have to put on anything. And
Speaker 3: I think it was kind of, you know, agreement, layoff,
Speaker 3: let us do our job. You're not going to get
Speaker 3: twelve people to agree, you will never And I believe
Speaker 3: that was the that was the thing. So why didn't
Speaker 3: they do it? I believe, like everything else, they gave hints,
Speaker 3: though they did give hints when they showed Brian. I
Speaker 3: think my friend Amanda, all right, we've been talking when
Speaker 3: they showed Brian that bulkhead. That was significant. All right,
Speaker 3: that means somebody, not the comwealth, somebody on the defense
Speaker 3: side got into that basement. Was it the FBI during
Speaker 3: the during the summer at this time last year? Dennis
Speaker 3: Sweeney knows, we all know, they all know they saw
Speaker 3: panel trucks out there, nondescript, no business signed with guys in,
Speaker 3: guys in those type of suits, right, those what do
Speaker 3: you call them as matt suits going in. All right,
Speaker 3: that's a big that's a big thing. This case is
Speaker 3: far from over on the federal side. On the state side,
Speaker 3: it's done. Let let's face it, it is done. They've
Speaker 3: shown their hands. They've shown their hands, okay, and now
Speaker 3: they can't back off. They're locked in. They're locked in
Speaker 3: like Houdini?
Speaker 1: And can I can I speak to that defense though, Sean?
Speaker 1: You can? I want to reference the movie eight Mile.
Speaker 1: Oh they would start Eminem and Kim Basinger and Maka
Speaker 1: Tifern and I and if you remember that movie, the
Speaker 1: whole thing, what what what Eminem had to do going
Speaker 1: into these rap battles where largely he was obviously a
Speaker 1: very a white wrapper wrapping against a lot of black wrappers,
Speaker 1: And the whole thing was to say, yeah, I know
Speaker 1: him white, Yeah, I know him from a trailer park. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know my mom's this and yeah. So basically, you
Speaker 1: try to put forth all your weaknesses ahead so and
Speaker 1: so that that person can't throw it back at you.
Speaker 1: Because I've already said all these things. So if you
Speaker 1: say them, the audience is going to see you as
Speaker 1: just repeating what I said, which takes away the power
Speaker 1: of those words. And you'll see people on Twitter do
Speaker 1: these kinds of things. They'll be very self deprecating. I
Speaker 1: know a specific content creator who's very as cerbic who
Speaker 1: does that, and I believe that's what exactly what Adam
Speaker 1: Lalley was doing. He was one of those kids watching
Speaker 1: eight Mile and said, I'm going to put these guys
Speaker 1: on the stand and show you. I'm not afraid not
Speaker 1: to mention the hell they're guilty as hell. Anyway, let's
Speaker 1: get let's get to the thing with it.
Speaker 3: It worked against him because the defense was able to
Speaker 3: discredit them. I mean, they look like, yeah, one thing
Speaker 3: I had to say, most of their witnesses look great.
Speaker 3: On direct examination. They failed miserably, which is you know, not,
Speaker 3: you know, not surprising. When they went on cross examination
Speaker 3: and they, let's face it, they beat them up big time.
Speaker 3: So my look at it is, Lally, you gave us everything.
Speaker 3: Jackson gave you nothing. He just said, Hey, I got
Speaker 3: the guy who's I got the medical guy from Ireland.
Speaker 3: He's going to talk about this. I got the dog lady,
Speaker 3: she's going to talk about this. I got Lucky Lochran,
Speaker 3: beautiful lucky seeds. Nobody twice comes back sees a car
Speaker 3: where you should never have a car during that was
Speaker 3: never there during the whole night. Why is it there
Speaker 3: at three point thirty? That's beautiful? And they got the
Speaker 3: celebrate guy, which it didn't wasn't needed. And then they
Speaker 3: got the mac crash Daddy's from the Department of Justice, right,
Speaker 3: and they they they were so good, they were so
Speaker 3: comfortable in their own skin versus Trooper Paul. Come on,
Speaker 3: look at the look at the disparacy, look at the difference.
Speaker 1: It was yeah, yeah, you know, it was like, uh,
Speaker 1: Dick Vitel once said it was like Vana White and
Speaker 1: doctor Ruth in a in a bikini contest. So anyway,
Speaker 1: it wasn't there, No, that was Marbert Dick Vie tells
Speaker 1: the uh he was the basketball comment. Yeah, not Marv Albert.
Speaker 1: Marv Albert's a whole nother story. And I'm a Knicks fan,
Speaker 1: so let me say that, get that up front. But Sean,
Speaker 1: someone in the chat wanted to impune Lucky and say, oh, well,
Speaker 1: he hit the basketball hoop. So clearly it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: so you're saying that every plow driver has never hit anything.
Speaker 3: Bad Lucky, bad boy, bad Lucky couldn't make a mistake.
Speaker 1: Can you believe that couldn't.
Speaker 3: Could not rock him at all, couldn't rock him at all?
Speaker 1: Well, well, clearly, Sean, since he hit a basketball hoop,
Speaker 1: then that clearly shows he wouldn't have seen the body
Speaker 1: on the Alberts front lawn. Obviously that you can you
Speaker 1: can stitch those two together, right, Okay, it's crazy, So yes,
Speaker 1: your point is good, either sir or ma'am that I'll
Speaker 1: Lucky hit the basketball hoop and guess what, he's human,
Speaker 1: infallible god. Okay, now let's get to MOFO because mofo,
Speaker 1: thank you very much. I don't know if you are
Speaker 1: a male mofo or a female mofo, but obviously we're
Speaker 1: all Sean McDonough mofo. Even Courtney's a new MOFO.
Speaker 3: I love it. It's all interchangeable, right, yes, it's yeah,
Speaker 3: it's unisex.
Speaker 1: So can you read this Courtney from.
Speaker 4: Ken McCabe did not say that Karen I hit him
Speaker 4: under until grand jury testimony two point five years after
Speaker 4: it happened.
Speaker 5: From MOFO.
Speaker 1: Thank you, MOFO. I really appreciate the blessing. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much. That helped us a lot.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, she did tell Lank and it's amazing
Speaker 3: about then Sagan Lank. Right, he brings back Lieutenant Gallagher
Speaker 3: right at nine o'clock. Right, Gallagher doesn't see lard ass
Speaker 3: Higgins at all. Right, I mean he doesn't see anything. Right,
Speaker 3: I don't know what the hell he was doing. But
Speaker 3: you got everyone at the table, and Jen's interviewed and said,
Speaker 3: by the way, you know, mister Lank, Sogeant Lank, I
Speaker 3: do remember her saying that I could have hit him.
Speaker 3: I could have hit him. That was written in the report. So,
Speaker 3: like I said, there was it was so much. I mean,
Speaker 3: there's so much to pick apart and the part about
Speaker 3: listen I get, I get the fact there was a
Speaker 3: difficult scenario. But these guys live in Massachusetts. They know
Speaker 3: what snowstorms are about. They played their whole life in snow.
Speaker 3: They made forts, They hopped on cloud cars going by,
Speaker 3: they hopped on buses doing you know, listen, they could
Speaker 3: have been they got a stupid leaf blower, right, They
Speaker 3: could have gotten heaters, they could have got a tent,
Speaker 3: They could have done anything secure it met that snow.
Speaker 1: They didn't, you know, left the scene unintended for what
Speaker 1: six hours? Oh no, eight hours, twelve, fourteen hours. They
Speaker 1: left the eight o'clock didn't come back to six. So
Speaker 1: for yeah, So the thing I'm trying to say, DJ
Speaker 1: and Courtney, you have a dead Boston police officer. That's
Speaker 1: when you pull out all the stops. It's rained, snow shine,
Speaker 1: hundred degree weather, you do whatever is as you call
Speaker 1: everyone out. Do you know they had a fight getting
Speaker 1: the state police to get out there. None of these
Speaker 1: guys wanted to go out And at the end they
Speaker 1: get a rescue like a search and rescue team, not
Speaker 1: the crime scene services.
Speaker 3: Right. Crime scene services are special elite people like I
Speaker 3: did for three years. It's all methodic, it's an industry standard.
Speaker 3: It's even more advanced now. But what I'm trying to say,
Speaker 3: there are certain things you don't change. These guys were
Speaker 3: going shoulders show are tramping on the whole crime scene
Speaker 3: the second time around. But for some reason, after eighteen
Speaker 3: twenty three inches of snow, they get to find the impossible.
Speaker 3: They get to find all forty five pieces I guess
Speaker 3: of tail light where the Cannon cops couldn't find shit,
Speaker 3: but the Canton cops found white broken glass, but they
Speaker 3: couldn't find a black sneaker or red tail light. Give
Speaker 3: me a break. Stop this lunacy. It's lunacy, it really is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're going to get to Peter Murphy and all that.
Speaker 1: That's kind of where I want to go next is
Speaker 1: to hit And so you guys are gonna dig this
Speaker 1: because we're going to get into some of the people
Speaker 1: that are integral in the case that some of us,
Speaker 1: like me, for example, I want to just get to
Speaker 1: the first one. Even before I look at my list,
Speaker 1: I know who Kevin Lenihan is as a Twitter person,
Speaker 1: and I know what his Twitter name is, and I
Speaker 1: know that that's all I know about him. Though I
Speaker 1: don't know, I know he's on the other he's anti
Speaker 1: Karen Reid and all that. But can you tell us
Speaker 1: for those of us, and this is mostly edifying for
Speaker 1: Courtney and I, who is Kevin Lenihan in this case?
Speaker 3: Okay, Kevin Lenahan and I had a pretty decent relationship
Speaker 3: a year ago this time actually a little bit before, right.
Speaker 3: I was actually following him before I went on Aiden's show.
Speaker 3: And because I went on aiden show just at the
Speaker 3: end of June, because I wrote a letter to Chief
Speaker 3: Rafferty and because of that, Aiden wanted me on the show.
Speaker 3: Because I gave seventeen bullet points that any executive, any
Speaker 3: anyone could have answered, but as an executive, as a
Speaker 3: chief of police, she should add these are softball questions.
Speaker 3: To this day, she hasn't answered. But Kevin and I
Speaker 3: had a little, a good type of relationship going on.
Speaker 3: And he's the coat. He's the create content creator of
Speaker 3: Yellow Cottage Tales. Okay. So when I I had one
Speaker 3: appearance on Aiden's show, and after that I had three
Speaker 3: or four with Kevin, and Kevin was like, right, he
Speaker 3: was more he was leaning more to Karen, right, but
Speaker 3: he wanted to stay in the middle, right, which was great.
Speaker 3: I actually loved the fact because I wanted. Who I
Speaker 3: really wanted to debate me was a guy like Kyle Doogle. Right.
Speaker 3: He's a Boston cop, right, a very big supporter of
Speaker 3: John being murdered by Karen. And I wanted him to
Speaker 3: tell me, Hey, Carle, you're a detective, you're an active detective.
Speaker 3: You know John, you know Karen, Right, tell me why
Speaker 3: you think she did it? And I wanted to have
Speaker 3: this debate. It didn't happen, So Kevin became that guy.
Speaker 3: And Kevin Kevin was pretty good. The problem with Kevin
Speaker 3: was he made a fatal mistake. He he had me. Actually,
Speaker 3: I was the unlucky person. I was on his show
Speaker 3: and I didn't know you could actually hit on comments.
Speaker 3: I was on private chat because he would send me
Speaker 3: little messages. I didn't know you could kick comments, you
Speaker 3: could see all these comments. I was a newbie. I
Speaker 3: didn't know shit about this scream yash. Next thing, he's
Speaker 3: reading something, he's looking, he's looking back. I can see
Speaker 3: his facial it's me and him, just me and him.
Speaker 3: I can see his facial expressions, and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: he blows up. It's actually common because I'm there and
Speaker 3: I think he's blowing up at me, and I said
Speaker 3: in the background, I saying, Jesus Christ said I say
Speaker 3: something wrong, and he is going off, going off on
Speaker 3: the people in the chat, and one of the people
Speaker 3: in the chat was Aiden, and he got hammered. I
Speaker 3: mean because I went back. Eventually I figured out how
Speaker 3: to do it and went back and I saw he
Speaker 3: was getting hammered. And you know, that was like the
Speaker 3: end of Kevin, right. I mean, we stayed friendly a
Speaker 3: little bit until he actually came out and said that
Speaker 3: Karen was guilty, that he believed that Karen absolutely was guilty.
Speaker 3: So that kind of washed up. I still like the guy.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, as a person. Professionally, if you
Speaker 3: want to call it professionally, we're on polar ops. He
Speaker 3: really he tries his best to discredit me, to take
Speaker 3: shots to me. But as a off the set, I'd
Speaker 3: sit down with him, have a cup of coffee. I
Speaker 3: wouldn't have any problem with He's an intelligent guy. He
Speaker 3: just took after this beating, he just said, that's it.
Speaker 3: It seems to be the norm. If Aiden comes at you,
Speaker 3: whether you are completely on the read side, if you
Speaker 3: if you're a hit by him, it's over it. Now
Speaker 3: they flip and go to the other side.
Speaker 1: Man, I ask what his bona fides are in terms
Speaker 1: of as an expert in.
Speaker 3: What he's a He's a nub, he's a knob according
Speaker 3: to the no listen, he's a he's a former bottender. Okay,
Speaker 3: he's he's a screenwriter. He's done certain screenwriting. He's a
Speaker 3: great writer, all right, but he doesn't really know. I mean,
Speaker 3: he's intelligent. I'll give it. He's intelligent. But the problem
Speaker 3: with his intelligence now he's contradicting himself in his own
Speaker 3: intelligence to believe any part of this thing. He has
Speaker 3: offered more excuses for the investigators in this whole case.
Speaker 3: And he's also actually his his little theory of how
Speaker 3: John got killed was actually better than the Comwealth's theory,
Speaker 3: if you believe it or not. And his theory is
Speaker 3: a joke, but it's better. It was better than troop
Speaker 3: of Paul's. I can tell you that.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I think one of the things
Speaker 1: that we have to understand is that our society is
Speaker 1: very polarized. So people, you know, it's quite obvious that
Speaker 1: this is quite obvious as it relates to politics, but
Speaker 1: it can be anything, and this Karen Reed trial has
Speaker 1: turned into that. And if you look at us humans
Speaker 1: as a species, we were tribal people. We were people
Speaker 1: that you had to be in a tribe in order
Speaker 1: to survive, in order to be able to hunt and
Speaker 1: gather and be protected and eat food and not be
Speaker 1: taken over by another tribe. We were were we as
Speaker 1: a species or tribal We're seeing that play out now
Speaker 1: in politics that you have to be on one side
Speaker 1: or the other. You can't be both. You can't be
Speaker 1: like me where I'm love law enforcement, black lives matter.
Speaker 1: I can do all of it because I think there's
Speaker 1: merit and all of it. But no, you have to
Speaker 1: say I'm from this group where I'm from that group.
Speaker 1: And clearly Kevin, when he got pissed off, said well,
Speaker 1: I can't critically look at this and see that there's
Speaker 1: absolutely no expert evidence that says that she was run
Speaker 1: over and backed over like Karen Reid's been to a
Speaker 1: tactical driving course to drive a full size suv at
Speaker 1: twenty four mph and very definitely not you know, make
Speaker 1: any marks on the lawn or anything and hit this guy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, from sixty right, from sixty right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Clearly she went to the jays the Jaysock Tactical Driving
Speaker 1: Course at Fort Bragg. Obviously Karen Reid is a graduate
Speaker 1: of that course that was from when she was in Delta.
Speaker 1: So clearly that's an idiotic thing that we know didn't happen.
Speaker 3: Then we're Marylin doing the Secret Service.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, Yeah, like the CIA, you know, field operatives.
Speaker 1: They have to go and take this training because when
Speaker 1: they're overseas and they're undercover, you never know when they
Speaker 1: have to just commandeer somebody's car and beat feet and
Speaker 1: get to a safe area. So anyway, you know all
Speaker 1: this kind of stuff. I'm not, like I said, I'm
Speaker 1: not law enforcement, but I've been in government for thirty years.
Speaker 3: So this case is about common sense, truly, which isn't
Speaker 3: common right, So you cannot look at John's arm and
Speaker 3: say that that was done by any vehicle. You cannot.
Speaker 3: I don't care who you are. Now, there's been a
Speaker 3: theory out there. If Aiden Carney said that Karen ree
Speaker 3: was absolutely guilty, the other patrolls would say the opposite.
Speaker 3: Because these people, for whatever reason, hate the guy. They
Speaker 3: hate him.
Speaker 1: They got to join the tribe, and that's the opposite tribe.
Speaker 3: So so the thing is they're now locked. And I
Speaker 3: was with my wife the other day and I said,
Speaker 3: you know, some I had a vision of Alan Jackson
Speaker 3: doing that pirolette, you know, he did the famous And
Speaker 3: I said to myself, what the hell is he getting at?
Speaker 3: And I sawed thinking, And it's true. Center of mass
Speaker 3: is going to move you. If you hit an extremity, right,
Speaker 3: you're not going anywhere. You're gonna probably get The arm
Speaker 3: is gonna move, sure, but what's the arm weigh eleven pounds? Right,
Speaker 3: you got a two hundred and seventeen pound guy. You
Speaker 3: hit him center a mass, he's gonna go. They're trying.
Speaker 3: They're locked in now to this tail like hitting his
Speaker 3: arm catapulting him twelve fifteen twenty feet up a hill.
Speaker 3: It doesn't ask to smell.
Speaker 1: Us certain with no bruises and no broken bones and
Speaker 1: dog bites on his arm.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know the other side was put in
Speaker 3: all you're not gonna he's been all kinds of fractures.
Speaker 3: They were putting everything out possible to to to basically
Speaker 3: lie to people, lie to people. That's the glare. He's
Speaker 3: the Galara knows.
Speaker 1: Yes, I want to say, hello, Hi, Glare, how are you, sir?
Speaker 1: I have watched your show. I dig it. I I
Speaker 1: can't keep track of all the Karen Reid content creators
Speaker 1: and that I've watched, but I like your show very
Speaker 1: very cool, and yeah, we'll have to get you on
Speaker 1: as well. Like what the glare is saying here, Courtney,
Speaker 1: can you read that one? I think this is accurate.
Speaker 5: From the glare.
Speaker 4: That's if TV said KR was guilty, the blue Shirts
Speaker 4: would turned pink overnight.
Speaker 3: Yeahlar knows. Glaire is a great guy. Man.
Speaker 1: Yep, they say we have to get in the other tribe, right, Glair,
Speaker 1: We got it. We can't, can't. We gotta go against
Speaker 1: aid Aiden. Aiden is fearless man. That dude is fearless.
Speaker 1: I mean that going down to Canton and eating it.
Speaker 1: As Sean would say, c F mccathy's.
Speaker 3: You know what. That was good?
Speaker 1: Can we get you to do Adam Lally? Can you
Speaker 1: do some what if any's no?
Speaker 3: No? Jennifer ms mckaye, what if anything did you hear
Speaker 3: the defendants say, mister mckabe, what if anything? Did your
Speaker 3: wife say, jan Jan Jan Jesus talk about being possessed?
Speaker 1: This is great? We just got Sean to do Adam
Speaker 1: Lally And what's really said is Adam is younger and
Speaker 1: Sean has better hair. This is terrible. So anyway, all right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get to some names here. Sean, tell me
Speaker 1: about Javier Velaskaz. One of your episodes, you referred to
Speaker 1: Javier Alaska as one of your colleagues from DA and
Speaker 1: you said at one point that he had referred to
Speaker 1: Brian Albert as another name that we associate with a
Speaker 1: cat when we're talking talking about a cat from Canton,
Speaker 1: but use it. It's with P and then it actually.
Speaker 3: Actually it was not. He did not tell me that, okay,
Speaker 3: and I did kind of Javier an injustice, and I
Speaker 3: have spoken to Javier, all right. I was getting given
Speaker 3: information that Javier was very vocal on another I guess
Speaker 3: Facebook group and that I should talk to him. He
Speaker 3: was a median Colombia and I had said something that
Speaker 3: was attributed to him, but I had not spoken to him,
Speaker 3: and that was my bad, and I apologized to him.
Speaker 3: But we had a very good conversation. Okay, So the
Speaker 3: cat now, I like this. So the cat story came okay,
Speaker 3: early on in when I was developing certain sources like
Speaker 3: I'm a I'm a Boston kid. I grew up in Dorchester,
Speaker 3: went over to matter Pan and then my high school
Speaker 3: started in Canton. Okay, so four years. So there was
Speaker 3: a time with this this Boston cop, it's me up
Speaker 3: and we spoke. He's a big burly guy. I do
Speaker 3: know who he is, right, And he said, hey, Sean,
Speaker 3: he says, this kid Albert, you know, I remember him
Speaker 3: when he first came on. He thought his he thought,
Speaker 3: is his shit didn't stink? Blah blah blah. He said.
Speaker 3: I said to him, a kid, this is this is
Speaker 3: a typical Boston mentality and it doesn't matter. Now. Boston's
Speaker 3: a neighborhood related areas. But and if you're outside of Boston,
Speaker 3: forget it. You don't have any chance. He said, hey, kid,
Speaker 3: you may wear our uniform, but you'll always be a
Speaker 3: cat from Canton.
Speaker 1: But if it's a word that begins with the P
Speaker 1: and ends with the why.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I caught on it because I got to tell you. Originally,
Speaker 3: when you started talking about cat, I didn't know what
Speaker 3: the hell you were talking about about fifteen twenty minutes ago.
Speaker 3: Now I get it, all right, I'm I'm glad I
Speaker 3: didn't say the real thing, so I caught, well.
Speaker 1: We have it. We do have a woman in the
Speaker 1: house here and many in the chat, so you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't be careful.
Speaker 4: But I've been to Boston and that's a kind of
Speaker 4: a knives out kind of place. I tried to throw
Speaker 4: some garbage away at a gas station after going to
Speaker 4: some lobster house, and the guy came out and confronted me,
Speaker 4: was like, what are you trying to push on me?
Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm just putting my garbage away. And boy,
Speaker 4: the vibe in Boston is very different.
Speaker 5: And you got to be on edge to go through there.
Speaker 3: You know, Accordney sometimes sometimes that could be endearing for
Speaker 3: some people. The way they talk could be endearing, believe
Speaker 3: it or not.
Speaker 5: Not from Pennsylvania.
Speaker 1: We're different.
Speaker 5: We're very different, different from northeastern Pennsylvania. So when I
Speaker 5: come back, that's what all my family asked. Were they
Speaker 5: hostile in Boston? Were they nasty?
Speaker 4: And I was like, I had one encounter, you know,
Speaker 4: but he didn't push me too much or it would
Speaker 4: have went down because I had kids in the car,
Speaker 4: and I was like, dude, if you're gonna.
Speaker 5: Come at me, you better bring it.
Speaker 3: And he didn't.
Speaker 1: He let it go.
Speaker 5: But you know, when you say woman in.
Speaker 4: The house, I'm not your ordinary woman. And I've heard
Speaker 4: the P word before. I've heard the F word before.
Speaker 4: And as my mother likes to say, she's glad her
Speaker 4: children heard it before going to school on the bus, on.
Speaker 3: The school buses. Monny Courtey, I tell this story. So
Speaker 3: when I left take the job in DC, I was
Speaker 3: twenty one years old, and I drove down in a snowstorm, right,
Speaker 3: and my first time I stopped was at the Maryland
Speaker 3: House off of ninety five self and I get there
Speaker 3: and it's been a long drive and everything. So walk
Speaker 3: in and this lady, she's a waitress, justa hello, dear,
Speaker 3: how are we doing today? What can I get for you, honey?
Speaker 3: And I go, wow, this is a difference. So I'm
Speaker 3: down there almost six months and I'm with the Virginia
Speaker 3: class and Marylyn clad in DC, and everyone's talking so nice.
Speaker 3: I go back home after six months, right, and I
Speaker 3: go back home, I see some old friends and some
Speaker 3: girls get hey, Sean, how the fuck you doing I'm doing?
Speaker 3: I said, Oh God, When me get back Virginia yeah,
Speaker 3: it's kind of funny, but listen, I love them. I
Speaker 3: love I love the Boston crop that's my home. I mean,
Speaker 3: that's beautiful.
Speaker 1: But I'm the same way. I go home to the
Speaker 1: Hudson Valley of New York. Hender Cuts and high school friends.
Speaker 1: We get together twice a year every year, and I do.
Speaker 1: I go back to Dean and I was a football
Speaker 1: player at Dean and I go and get together with
Speaker 1: my teammates there every year.
Speaker 3: So beautiful, that's great.
Speaker 1: I love so.
Speaker 3: Frank was in my high school, the Hackamock League. We
Speaker 3: played Franklin, the Franklin Franklin. Yeah we did. Oh wow, Yeah,
Speaker 3: they were a great scene man. Yeah, it's a cool town. Man.
Speaker 1: Just going back there was just like magical. We've had
Speaker 1: I think we've had two reunions. Last year. I missed
Speaker 1: it because I moved to Georgia and now I'm moving
Speaker 1: to Colorado next weekend. But I'm I'm planning on coming
Speaker 1: back from homecoming to Dean. So that's I'm just going
Speaker 1: to help my boss. I gotta take vacations.
Speaker 4: Look, since we're talking about hometowns and family roots and whatnot,
Speaker 4: I just have to bring this up because we had.
Speaker 3: Damn it.
Speaker 5: Can you hear me?
Speaker 3: I can get you're frozen, but we can't hear me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, ma'am.
Speaker 4: All right, Well, this case reminds me a lot of
Speaker 4: like the hometown stuff, the corruption the cops cover ups.
Speaker 4: You know, we had that a lot in my area,
Speaker 4: and so it kind of stinks of that, and so
Speaker 4: I wanted to get your bead sean on these cops
Speaker 4: and this group. Have they ever been implicated in corruption
Speaker 4: before in other cases where they have kind of worked
Speaker 4: together to hide evidence or to make a case go
Speaker 4: a certain way.
Speaker 5: Do you know have any history of that?
Speaker 3: You know something I left at a very young age.
Speaker 1: I was.
Speaker 3: I left after high school, went to Westfield University, which
Speaker 3: is in the western pile of the state, and I
Speaker 3: went right down in DC. Now I do know back
Speaker 3: basically from my own involvement in the case, certain things
Speaker 3: were coming out of corruption. You know, it started at
Speaker 3: small and this is how it goes. Corruption is a
Speaker 3: very slippery slope. You know, there's a case where I
Speaker 3: think Pete alluded to it because he was the one
Speaker 3: that told me, and I really I really laughed at this,
Speaker 3: but you know, it goes to the point where you
Speaker 3: stop the road of giving passes to people like this.
Speaker 3: One guy was stealing stake tips from a catering business
Speaker 3: in town, Okay, And the owner of the business notice that,
Speaker 3: Jesus Christ, I'm losing pounds and pounds of steak tips,
Speaker 3: which is that's a big, big thing in Boston, right,
Speaker 3: and it's expensive.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: So this lady right decides to put a camera in
Speaker 3: her this is we're going back maybe thirty thirty five
Speaker 3: forty years business in her in her business and lo
Speaker 3: and behold. The next morning, she sees a friend to
Speaker 3: hers who's an officer on the midnight shift, coming in.
Speaker 3: He knows the code, right, he gets in. I don't
Speaker 3: know how the hell he had the key. He gets
Speaker 3: in and takes all these steak tips. Now, instead of
Speaker 3: calling the cops, she calls the fire department, and the
Speaker 3: fire department person that responded was is now the town
Speaker 3: administrator for Canton. This kid duty, right, So this is
Speaker 3: and it was reported. It finally got reported. He said, hey, listen,
Speaker 3: I can't do this. You got to call the police.
Speaker 3: And Peter Murphy was the guy that blew the whistle, right.
Speaker 3: He wrote a report, sent it up the chain Rafferty
Speaker 3: was his lieutenant because he was a sergeant, his first
Speaker 3: line supervisor was lieutenant. And the way it's told us,
Speaker 3: she didn't do a thing. So it's certain things like
Speaker 3: that get you to where you have a guy on
Speaker 3: the Boston cop on a lawn in your town and
Speaker 3: you don't do the right thing. And they're also implicated
Speaker 3: in their investigation of Sandra Birchmore, who in twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: prior to John being violently killed, is accused of committing
Speaker 3: suicide okay, in her apartment in Canton, and some of
Speaker 3: the same players went, oh, obviously it's in canon. They went.
Speaker 3: Some of the same players went to the apartment to investigate.
Speaker 3: And I was talking to Mizzi, who was taking the
Speaker 3: lead for the Sander Birchmore case, and she's telling me John,
Speaker 3: I have all these reports. One cop says the ligature
Speaker 3: was blue, the other cops said it was black, another
Speaker 3: cop said it was white. Another person said it was plastic,
Speaker 3: another person said it was metal. They don't know what that.
Speaker 3: So many different reports and the important fingers like this,
Speaker 3: the state troop Okay, that investigated the case. Ultimately from
Speaker 3: the Sea Pack, the Norfolk County Sea Pack Office that
Speaker 3: Proctor and Ury and all these people is a guy
Speaker 3: by the name of John Fanning was brilliantly cut up,
Speaker 3: sliced to dice last night on Truth and Transparency with Lanna.
Speaker 3: She had this victim on his victim it's I don't
Speaker 3: want to get into it, but the the suspects in
Speaker 3: the it's not been deemed the murder.
Speaker 1: By doctor Bobaden, famous.
Speaker 3: O. J. Simpson's thing has come out and ruled a homicide. Well,
Speaker 3: the prime suspect is a Stoton police officer. Fanning was
Speaker 3: a Stoton police officer. Now he gets the it's crazy,
Speaker 3: he gets now the investigation and he clears it as
Speaker 3: a suicide.
Speaker 1: So your conflict of interest there not like he went
Speaker 1: to Stoughton High School. I mean you know he did
Speaker 1: this woman, So yes, ma'am, oh, yeah, you have you know.
Speaker 4: And when you come from a small town like I do,
Speaker 4: and then you know, you see these different cases, and
Speaker 4: you see the long history of the sheriffs of the deputies,
Speaker 4: you know who they are.
Speaker 5: You know, not to say anything.
Speaker 4: I was just curious about this specific group of men
Speaker 4: and what their reputations were in Canton and if they
Speaker 4: had any other possible history with corruption in other cases.
Speaker 3: That's all right, So the I'll just give you the
Speaker 3: highlights of last night. It's a Lena did a fantastic
Speaker 3: job and it was a fantastic catch on her part.
Speaker 3: They have this guy on he was like a role.
Speaker 3: He was like a father figure to John Fanny growing up.
Speaker 3: I'm not going to get into the whole story, but
Speaker 3: there's two stories she told. He took John and John's
Speaker 3: buddy down to Key West, right, and he told John,
Speaker 3: he said, listen, it gets kind of crazy here. He said,
Speaker 3: you know, Jet to be careful because a lot of
Speaker 3: transves sights don This is back maybe twenty five years ago, right,
Speaker 3: And so he tells the story how he ended up.
Speaker 3: John and his buddy ended up with these two girls
Speaker 3: that according to this guy, his name is Kevin Klapp,
Speaker 3: he said, I don't think these there were women. Of course,
Speaker 3: the other guys have been drinking and you can't tell
Speaker 3: them anything. They're cops and they know better. Well, bottom
Speaker 3: line is uh, I guess Fanny found out that they
Speaker 3: weren't girls because I never saw a girl with a
Speaker 3: dick before. Sorry, courdy, but that's the quote from last
Speaker 3: Night's show, and he said he thought that Fanny raped
Speaker 3: this transvestite. So this, uh, you know, he used to
Speaker 3: call it drag queens back then, right now it's now
Speaker 3: it's different. I don't know what the woke terminology is.
Speaker 3: Now what is it?
Speaker 5: I don't know what it is, but there's definitely terminology.
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm sure, yeah, I'm listen, I'm this threw me
Speaker 3: off my game. But then then there's an allegation that
Speaker 3: Fanning after some years, went to this guy, his father figure,
Speaker 3: who took care of him, who gave him his first car,
Speaker 3: who gave him his first bike, right allegedly, right allegedly,
Speaker 3: according to this guy, and he's told this story many
Speaker 3: times to Dave Colinane, who's all over the Birchmore case,
Speaker 3: that that Fanning said, you give me oral sex now,
Speaker 3: and he backs it up and he says, I know
Speaker 3: he did this to me because I know he has
Speaker 3: a bold a mole certain part of his privates. So listen,
Speaker 3: it's crazy. The corruption is widespread, and I do know
Speaker 3: that the FBI is definitely involved in that case, and
Speaker 3: I just hope they get you know, for the memory
Speaker 3: of of young Sandra Birchmore, and she was pregnant. Courtney,
Speaker 3: she was pregnant. And the suspect who was last seeing
Speaker 3: with her, his wife gave birth the very next day,
Speaker 3: and he was she was pregnant with his child.
Speaker 1: So and he was on video.
Speaker 3: He's on video as the last going in and going out. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Another thing is, according to investigators, her phone never moved
Speaker 3: after he's seen walking out the door. I mean, come on,
Speaker 3: that's a cute.
Speaker 1: I mean, should we investigate Hello, Yeah, did they get
Speaker 1: the DNA from the fetus? Do you think, Courtney? Of
Speaker 1: course they didn't. Of course they didn't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, somehow something tells me that I believe there was
Speaker 3: some type of you know, I don't know. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: I'm not an expert in that case at all.
Speaker 1: But that's but there shouldn't be a question about that.
Speaker 1: They should say, we've identified what's his name, Matthew help
Speaker 1: me in the child folks, Firewell. Yeah, the Firewell brothers
Speaker 1: that Matt this met the baby, the baby had matt
Speaker 1: Farwell's DNA. Because that would obviously lead that would obviously
Speaker 1: be very very that would go to motive. Right, because
Speaker 1: he leaves her apartment in a hoodie with a mask on,
Speaker 1: and he's an anti mask guy. And then he goes
Speaker 1: to the hospital where his wife gave birth from her
Speaker 1: apartment and Sandra Birchmore has never heard from again. And
Speaker 1: people want us to be oh, well, it's just a coincidence.
Speaker 1: She just decided, even though she had just bought baby
Speaker 1: clothes in a car seat, she decided to kill herself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then we're also supposed to believe that because Karen
Speaker 1: Reid was angry with her boyfriend, she decided to run
Speaker 1: him over in front of a cops house with an suv.
Speaker 1: And clearly, you never get caught for it, You never
Speaker 1: get fingered for that. I mean, if I tell you
Speaker 1: what all the times my wife had had arguments, if
Speaker 1: she ran on a Ramio with their suv, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's so absurd.
Speaker 3: Courant say thank you. That young girl was groomed by
Speaker 3: these cops. There was an Explorer pro Explorer program. All
Speaker 3: this girl wanted to do was be a cop, and
Speaker 3: she had some she had some family issues. They groomed
Speaker 3: her at age thirteen to fifteen, having sex with her
Speaker 3: three different cops, the two Firewell brothers and another cop.
Speaker 1: Divine Divine yeah, yeah, I mean they.
Speaker 3: Were all let got pretty pretty sick sick situation.
Speaker 1: No charges, and Divine is still a licensed lawyer in Massachusetts.
Speaker 1: One of the Firewell brothers is out west, and I
Speaker 1: don't know where the other one is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, it's a bad situation.
Speaker 1: Let me say thank you to Melissa Kaier. Thank you
Speaker 1: so much for the blessing. We really really do appreciate it.
Speaker 1: If you guys would be kind enough to mash the
Speaker 1: subscribe button calling all beings, we really appreciate it. We
Speaker 1: do aim to bring on a saw here. First of all,
Speaker 1: Hung Jerry, is that your name? Well, Hung Jerry, I
Speaker 1: hear you on I see you on Melanie's show. Great,
Speaker 1: great comments. Obviously the glare we'd like to get you on.
Speaker 1: We may even do like a Karen Reid roundtable. I
Speaker 1: think cab is famous for round tables, so we may
Speaker 1: even ask Sean back and maybe get a round table
Speaker 1: with me, I mean with your contemporary Mike. Mike has
Speaker 1: great hair, so it would be great to have Mike
Speaker 1: on here.
Speaker 3: Mike, Hell Mike. Yeah, Mike's a great guy.
Speaker 1: Great goatee. So anyway, let me uh, so, I want
Speaker 1: to get to if you would, because we want to
Speaker 1: get you out here. Can you tell us about uh,
Speaker 1: Peter Murphy, because I'm a little confused as to which
Speaker 1: if it was Brian Tully or another Brian that gave
Speaker 1: him that information. And if you haven't heard this, Courtney,
Speaker 1: it is shocking. Can I let me just do this
Speaker 1: set up like this, Peter Murphy. When the when the
Speaker 1: incident happened, when John O'Keeffe was killed, and it looked
Speaker 1: like they weren't sure which way this was going to go,
Speaker 1: Peter Murphy went back as a retiree. He went back
Speaker 1: to the Kent Police station and said, look, if somebody
Speaker 1: needs help, if you've gotten jammed up, if you need
Speaker 1: a lawyer. You were my guys when I was active duty.
Speaker 1: I'm here. I want you to know that I'm here
Speaker 1: to help shun take it away.
Speaker 3: Okay, So just a little bit different on that. So
Speaker 3: I first came out, Okay, I wrote that letter, and
Speaker 3: I used my I wasn't an anonymous anymore. I wrote
Speaker 3: the letter under my own name, my bona fides, directed
Speaker 3: it at both Chief Rafferty, and I wrote a separate
Speaker 3: letter to Brian Albert, you know, cop to cop whatever.
Speaker 3: So back then, I could see the donations being made
Speaker 3: to Karen's defense fund, and I and lo and behold,
Speaker 3: I made a donation. And when you see all the
Speaker 3: things of donations, I could see this. Sogeant Peter Murphy,
Speaker 3: retired Canton police officer, gave a donation. I said, HOLDI
Speaker 3: this is this is amazing. I got a cop in Canton, right,
Speaker 3: And I didn't know who he was, and I said,
Speaker 3: this is a guy that's given a donation to Karen Reid, right,
Speaker 3: because all the cops were mum's the word and not
Speaker 3: gonna anyways, I ended up hooking up with Peter and
Speaker 3: we talked a lot. He tells me. I said, Peter,
Speaker 3: we got to figure out what the hell's going on here.
Speaker 3: He said, well, Sean, I've got contacts with three guys
Speaker 3: who were on were they're retired, but they were present.
Speaker 3: They were on like on board at the time that
Speaker 3: John O'Keeffe was dead. I'm going to go start shaking
Speaker 3: the bushes or whatever what he said, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: go out talk to these guys. So he goes up,
Speaker 3: he goes up to this, he goes up to this,
Speaker 3: he goes up to this autobody shop, which was owned
Speaker 3: by a police officer. Okay, oh my god. Something about
Speaker 3: Canton cops their side job, okay is their police job,
Speaker 3: their regular job is their business. Right. So this guy,
Speaker 3: Brian Wanless, he was known as a very successful autobody guy.
Speaker 3: Fix your car, paint your car, blah blah blah, and
Speaker 3: there were early hints at the time. This is why
Speaker 3: I told Peter, I said, if you know this guy,
Speaker 3: go up there and find out if he knows anything,
Speaker 3: but ask him. Did he have anything to do with
Speaker 3: John O'Keefe's traverse. There was there was indications that the
Speaker 3: diraverse was fixed because let's say, I don't care what
Speaker 3: anyone says, that car was hit by Karen's car. There
Speaker 3: had to be some impression made on that car. For
Speaker 3: five five days later, the state police come back and
Speaker 3: they checked the vehicle and they find no damage. Well,
Speaker 3: you give me five days, right, I'm going to make
Speaker 3: sure that that car is going to be spotless. Okay,
Speaker 3: you had a sixty five to seven thousand pound truck.
Speaker 3: I don't care how fast it was going or how
Speaker 3: slow was going. You're going to have some type of transfer.
Speaker 3: And that would have been very indicative of the damage
Speaker 3: that was found on Karen's car. Well lo and behold.
Speaker 3: He goes up, he hits the mother load. He doesn't
Speaker 3: ask him about John's traverse, but he goes and says, hey, Brian, listen,
Speaker 3: you know, I know you left the department, and I
Speaker 3: know I'm hearing you. Weren't you know you couldn't take
Speaker 3: the heat anymore. Because his wife is telling all the
Speaker 3: people again that the rumors were getting too bad, and
Speaker 3: he said, that's it. I'm done. I don't need this anymore. Well,
Speaker 3: he tells Peter, he said, listen, all I did was
Speaker 3: I took the tail light housing out because the state
Speaker 3: police didn't know how to do it. Now that's huge,
Speaker 3: that's huge because we found out that, in fact, Brian Wallace,
Speaker 3: his name, never ever ever appeared on any report. Now
Speaker 3: we go back to police officers one oh one and
Speaker 3: how you handle evidence. It's called the chain of custody.
Speaker 3: You touch it, I touch it, Courtney touches it's got
Speaker 3: to be documented, right my understanding and is still to
Speaker 3: this day, Brian Wallace never appeared on the chain of cussie. Now,
Speaker 3: nothing nefarious about what he did. What's nefarious about it
Speaker 3: is that he wasn't on the chain of custody. He's
Speaker 3: on videotape at trial, taken the tail light out. He
Speaker 3: was summoned, you know, three or four days later to
Speaker 3: remove that tail light, all right, And why wasn't he
Speaker 3: put on the chain of custody. There was absolutely no reason.
Speaker 3: Why were they trying to hide that fact? Okay, So
Speaker 3: Peter goes back again, he goes in, and next thing
Speaker 3: he says, Hey, listen, all I know is this is
Speaker 3: that I didn't crack the light and I just took
Speaker 3: it out. And that's it. It was huge. That was huge,
Speaker 3: and we we started putting that out. Not that not
Speaker 3: that Brian was in any trouble. It just went to
Speaker 3: the sloppiness and the cavalier ish type way that this
Speaker 3: investigation was done. And remember, this is a Boston cop.
Speaker 3: This is a Boston cop. And they they were lazy.
Speaker 3: They were they were purposely lazy, and they didn't cross
Speaker 3: the t's and dotted the ies on anything in this investigation.
Speaker 1: But laziness isn't purposeful, right, it is part of your personality.
Speaker 1: So I leave laziness kind of lets him off the
Speaker 1: hook a little bit, whereas they specifically did certain things
Speaker 1: so it wouldn't be traceable, you'd have plausible deniability. I
Speaker 1: just didn't do it. I don't know why I didn't
Speaker 1: write a report on it. I didn't take why I
Speaker 1: didn't take photos at Jen at at Karen Ree, at
Speaker 1: Bill Reid's home when I went to see I don't
Speaker 1: know why I didn't take photos of the car as.
Speaker 3: It was right, don't you know exactly? You don't preserve wilful.
Speaker 3: It's willful. And the thing is, contrary to the Brian
Speaker 3: Walsh case, the kid was a superstar. He did everything
Speaker 3: by the book, you know, GEO fence, Google searches, all
Speaker 3: that stuff is collected, reports written, no misspellings of names done.
Speaker 3: If you see it side by side, you could see
Speaker 3: where this guy just basically was corrupt from day one.
Speaker 3: There's no other way you can say it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, you kind of talked about that
Speaker 1: because it's it's kind of like there has to be
Speaker 1: a point where you know you're going to basically you're
Speaker 1: going through basic training, you know, or what police academy
Speaker 1: to learn how to enforce the law, and so you're
Speaker 1: going into it ostensibly hopefully with clean hands and saying
Speaker 1: I am a law abiding citizen. I'm going to enforce
Speaker 1: the law. But what some of these guys who are
Speaker 1: not the Shawn's and not the Peter Murphy's say, And
Speaker 1: this runs counter to what I learned in an administrative
Speaker 1: and justice. Administration of Justice at Dean, we had in
Speaker 1: a Wallpol Copp as a professor and he said, we
Speaker 1: enforce the law and we follow the law.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: These guys are like, we enforce the law, but we're
Speaker 1: we don't have to follow the law.
Speaker 3: True. And I was on a podcast the other day
Speaker 3: that's coming out in October and the interviewer said, Sean,
Speaker 3: if you had to pick out one word to describe
Speaker 3: what is a basic uh ingredient for investigations of a
Speaker 3: homicide or anything, I say integrity. You have to have integrity.
Speaker 3: There's no way about it. There was absolutely no integrity
Speaker 3: in this investigation, none at all. And it showed. It
Speaker 3: absolutely showed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's you know, what's the Air Force's motto is integrity,
Speaker 1: service for self and excellence in all we do.
Speaker 3: Look at that. That's beautiful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Now I gotta I gotta dump some Air Force
Speaker 1: culture and get with Space Force culture and find out
Speaker 1: what they're all their ethos on.
Speaker 3: That's awesome, that's really nice.
Speaker 1: Last person, Tom Beatty, can you explain to people who
Speaker 1: Tom Beatty is, because what you just said before I
Speaker 1: leave this this topic, basically what Peter Murphy said is
Speaker 1: they win, and they they They fixed Karen Reid's car
Speaker 1: to look like it was the murder weapon, and then
Speaker 1: someone apparently repaired John o'keef's car.
Speaker 3: That is the work in theory. Well, I can tell
Speaker 3: you right now of a lot of different things in
Speaker 3: this case. I know I'm going to get reactions from
Speaker 3: some of the people in the chat that follow me,
Speaker 3: but my contribution really other than my own experiences as
Speaker 3: a crime scene investigator and an agent with the federal government,
Speaker 3: I did a whole tail light segment, and I went
Speaker 3: to Lexus, I went to autobody shops. On it, I
Speaker 3: reviewed the original version of her backing out of her garage,
Speaker 3: of the John's garage, hitting the car, slowing down her
Speaker 3: coming out, where I utilize Michael Proked's own words that
Speaker 3: he used in an affidavit to swear or a warrant,
Speaker 3: and he said, I'll have these sessions in my head forever.
Speaker 3: He said, when I got to Dyighton, the Dighton resident,
Speaker 3: I observe the right rear, right side of miss Reed's
Speaker 3: vehicle that it was chattered with a large piece missing.
Speaker 3: I said, wait a minute, that's not what I saw
Speaker 3: as she's passing by the camera with the floodlights on it, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Read, I got so many pictures and close ups and stills.
Speaker 3: I said, well, wait a minute, this kills him. And
Speaker 3: the fact that he didn't take a photograph when he
Speaker 3: sees the vehicle at four point fifteen that afternoon, says
Speaker 3: to me, he's hiding the ball. Right. That was a
Speaker 3: famous quote in some of the documents I got from
Speaker 3: Natalie that Karen said, these guys have been hiding the
Speaker 3: ball since day one. It's a beautiful comment. Karen's writing
Speaker 3: these things. If you don't know the story, this guy,
Speaker 3: this guy, this lady. Natalie was the intermediary between Karen
Speaker 3: and Aiden, and it's a long involved story, but I
Speaker 3: actually he actually Natalie gave me the file that Aiden
Speaker 3: that she gave to Aiden, and when I saw some
Speaker 3: of these things like wired taps of the DA and
Speaker 3: other stuff that we knew In March of twenty twenty two,
Speaker 3: who killed John and the fees had been involved much
Speaker 3: longer than anyone knows. Blah. I'm saying, this is like
Speaker 3: music to my ears. This is cheating on a test.
Speaker 3: This is like you kidding me. You give this information
Speaker 3: to a guy who's had twenty eight years thirty five
Speaker 3: years on the job, but twenty eight years as a
Speaker 3: federal agent. This is this is outrageous, This is incredible.
Speaker 3: What are we doing here? Let's get this baby over.
Speaker 3: But for whatever reason, there's obviously a plan.
Speaker 5: So, but it sounds it sounds like your opinion of
Speaker 5: Aiden is favorable.
Speaker 4: Now I'm coming in this as a neutral person, you know,
Speaker 4: mainly trying to look at you know, John O'Keefe's life,
Speaker 4: who he was, Why would he have.
Speaker 5: Gone there that night, Why would he have had this challenge?
Speaker 5: Blah blah blah.
Speaker 4: So when I've been reading all the press reports about Aiden,
Speaker 4: I'm just wondering why he ended up going to jail.
Speaker 4: Did he not go to jail for a period of
Speaker 4: time because of his involvement with Karen?
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was charged with witness intimidation I don't know,
Speaker 3: sixteen seventeen counts and he was let out on bail, Okay,
Speaker 3: And the bail was basically, you know, don't have any
Speaker 3: contact with anyone. Okay, Well, then let's see. Then around December,
Speaker 3: around Christmas time, a girlfriend he was dating at the
Speaker 3: time they broke up. She then did like everyone else does.
Speaker 3: She goes to the state police and says, I can
Speaker 3: give you Aiden Connie, he did this. He did that.
Speaker 3: They gave her a subpoena right to testify before a
Speaker 3: grand jury because she evidently said she had incriminating information
Speaker 3: to tell the grand jury about Aiden and Karen Reid. Okay,
Speaker 3: that's the story. Well, when they give her the subpoena,
Speaker 3: they instruct her Listen, I did it all. I did
Speaker 3: it my whole life. This is how you do a
Speaker 3: drug deal right, you set someone up. I mean I've
Speaker 3: done it my whole life. If you're inclined to be
Speaker 3: a drug dealer, you're going to sell drugs or buy drugs. Well,
Speaker 3: in this case, she lured Aiden over what the lore
Speaker 3: was the summons to testify in the grand jury, and
Speaker 3: unfortunately he did not listen to his attorney and he
Speaker 3: went anyways, right because I you know, maybe he was
Speaker 3: just too curious. Right, Well, one thing led to another.
Speaker 3: He doesn't realize she's talking to Italian company in the phone.
Speaker 3: They met in a foyer of the apartment complex. He
Speaker 3: did that, right, He said, I'm not going to go
Speaker 3: into that environment inside the apartment. And this is all
Speaker 3: from his home court records. And eventually she was able
Speaker 3: to get him in the apartment. They talked to Oh.
Speaker 3: She says she was pregnant and she was going to
Speaker 3: take these abortion pill It's a long invult story. The
Speaker 3: end result was he ends up having sex with the girl, right,
Speaker 3: And then he was taking notes on the summons and
Speaker 3: taking notes on texts that she had with one of
Speaker 3: his arch rivals, this girl Kay Peters, and other people.
Speaker 3: He was taking all these notes, right, his former girlfriend,
Speaker 3: his former girlfriend, and all this stuff, right, and I
Speaker 3: guess he goes to the bathroom to clean off, and
Speaker 3: the girlfriend goes and grabs the notes and there's you know,
Speaker 3: depending who. She says. He tried to get the notes
Speaker 3: and push me on the couch. He says, I just
Speaker 3: wanted my notes. I want to get out of there,
Speaker 3: and there's a recording and at the bottom liners, well,
Speaker 3: he gets charged in this right, in this separate case
Speaker 3: for domestic violence, and because of that he was violated.
Speaker 3: It was famous. It was Christmas Eve or something like that,
Speaker 3: and the reports came out and said, oh my god,
Speaker 3: and Dave Colina broke it. I'm reading. I said, listen,
Speaker 3: you can't make this stuff up. This report says that
Speaker 3: all points bulletin alert on Aiden Connie and he's he's out,
Speaker 3: he's out. I talked to him that day. I spoke
Speaker 3: to him. I said, Aiden, Mary curses you. Okay, he's
Speaker 3: the outfire. He contacts Peter Murphy. He says, Peter, do
Speaker 3: you He said, I don't have the telephone. I mean, listen,
Speaker 3: based on that, there was this massive I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: whatever you want to say. But anyway, he ends up
Speaker 3: a couple of days after its on his birthday, so
Speaker 3: twenty fifth to twenty sixth is his birthday. He ends
Speaker 3: up turning himself Ben and he goes to jail for
Speaker 3: sixty days because then he went to jail for sixty days,
Speaker 3: so you know, and he's going. Oh so anyways, domestic
Speaker 3: violence thing got drop, got to drop. But she has
Speaker 3: what do you call her? Some kind of yeah is
Speaker 3: Mike is Mike? I know they messed with my volume. Okay,
Speaker 3: I can hear you.
Speaker 1: I can hear you. Well, I don't know if people.
Speaker 3: The guys, these guys they like to mess with me,
Speaker 3: they know him watching.
Speaker 1: So all right, and Sean, how you mentioned one of
Speaker 1: your amazing podcasts or I say podcast one of your
Speaker 1: broadcasts reationship between Brian and Jim mckaye. How confident are
Speaker 1: you about that?
Speaker 3: Thousand percent? Thousand percent?
Speaker 1: So tell you just for I read.
Speaker 5: You read about Kay.
Speaker 1: I read about Okay.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, she's the Covenant, She's the Covenant, sister
Speaker 3: in law, really the cover. They're all they're all going back.
Speaker 1: So let's see. Uh yeah, that's that's absolutely I've got one.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, very interesting, good guy. Okay. So Tom Okay
Speaker 3: has a daughter Eric. And as the story goes, nobody
Speaker 3: wanted or could put Colin in the house. Okay. And
Speaker 3: you remember Brian and the whole people when took three
Speaker 3: reports mentioned everyone that was in the house and stept
Speaker 3: for calling. So when it came time for the state
Speaker 3: grand jury, the prosecution is the the list of witnesses
Speaker 3: to the defense, and they notice that Colin is not
Speaker 3: on the list, and they asked, they asked, Lally, why
Speaker 3: is this calling on the list, and well, and it's
Speaker 3: really bad.
Speaker 1: Why is calling I can hear you?
Speaker 3: Why is calling? Hello?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, test test test can you guys? I think
Speaker 1: you're fine. I can hear you. And they're hearing what
Speaker 1: I'm hearing.
Speaker 3: Why is Colin?
Speaker 1: You're fine?
Speaker 3: The list? And well he goes but because he wasn't
Speaker 3: in the house, and you go, oh, we have the
Speaker 3: information that he was. And so what they found out
Speaker 3: was calling called Eron Beatty and invited Aaron to the
Speaker 3: party at thirty four fair View. That's why we knew
Speaker 3: he was in the house. All right, Aaron did not
Speaker 3: go okay, calling uh Tom Beatty in the very early
Speaker 3: money I was only a cover to say that she
Speaker 3: was checking to see if John was with Tom because
Speaker 3: they were very very good friends. All right, he's a doctor,
Speaker 3: I mean, okay, So anyways, but after that, it becomes
Speaker 3: a parent that Tom bet will lose end and they gotta,
Speaker 3: they gotta, they gotta tie this up. And Jenny's feverishly
Speaker 3: trying to figure her out what did what did Tom
Speaker 3: Beatty know? And so there's a story where uh, Tom,
Speaker 3: is that an old place that my family used to
Speaker 3: go and I went to many many times the John
Speaker 3: McKeon Post in Rochester. We call it mckillan because my
Speaker 3: mother was a m that's how you say it, but
Speaker 3: most people call Brian Albert and Chris Albert go to
Speaker 3: the hillside, the famous meeting spot, and I're asking where
Speaker 3: where is Tom Beatty. So a guy calls up Tom
Speaker 3: unbeknownst to Brian and Chris and says, hey, these guys
Speaker 3: are looking for you. He said, fuck this ship, give
Speaker 3: me two minutes. I'll be out there. So it was
Speaker 3: about a ten minutes depending out quickly you go, and
Speaker 3: he gets to the hillside and they go out. He said, hey,
Speaker 3: you're looking for me, Brian. Now Tom's a big dude.
Speaker 3: He's a big guy. You know we're gonna mess with him. Well, well,
Speaker 3: you know what, you know, you know, can you can
Speaker 3: you change your time?
Speaker 1: Frank?
Speaker 3: You know what are you talking about? There's no way
Speaker 3: I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: Lie for you.
Speaker 3: Something was worth the fact, all right, Yeah, what everybody
Speaker 3: should have. And so there was this way to put
Speaker 3: an arm on top. Listen, Tom. Tom is a city
Speaker 3: boy and he ain't gonna he ain't gonna be impressed
Speaker 3: by any cats from Canton. Trust me on that one.
Speaker 3: No way, and he didn't give a ship who who
Speaker 3: they were, all right, and and since then, since then, right,
Speaker 3: poor eron, This young girl is being scolded and he
Speaker 3: called the worst names by adults. Jen McCabe, This other
Speaker 3: I know, this other lady. I know she was talking
Speaker 3: about you know, you know, men's penises in her mouth
Speaker 3: and I mean really rude. He said that fired me up.
Speaker 3: So this is a lot. But Tom, Tom, uh Tom.
Speaker 3: The fact is probably at some point of this case.
Speaker 1: He really does someone saying that they can hear. So
Speaker 1: that is great, thank you, thank you.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Gras right.
Speaker 3: I love these names.
Speaker 1: Man. You guys are so creative. Man, you guys are
Speaker 1: so damn creative. Thank you so much.
Speaker 4: Uh.
Speaker 1: I think if someone has one more that we can
Speaker 1: get in here. Okay, this is from Sindbad three three
Speaker 1: three at Sean knows all the inside tea. Yes, he
Speaker 1: certainly does. At calling all beings asked Sean about the
Speaker 1: Boston cop who Higgins talked about John's talked to about
Speaker 1: John's death. He claimed he pulled Chloe off John.
Speaker 3: That's uh, that's a great point. So during the course
Speaker 3: of this whole year, I was getting I was getting
Speaker 3: information left and right, and I did have a credible
Speaker 3: call come in. The person had no no beef, nothing.
Speaker 3: And matter of fact, his son was approached by young
Speaker 3: colin at Bridgewater State. His son was going to Bridgewater
Speaker 3: and calling and him had a little tiff. The kid
Speaker 3: that doesn't fight. He says, I don't fight. I just
Speaker 3: fought with my brothers, right. Yes, So he called up
Speaker 3: he said Sean, and he said, listen, I got to
Speaker 3: tell you this story. A very very close friend of
Speaker 3: Brian Higgins. We're out a couple of weeks ago down
Speaker 3: south right around the Bridgewater area. They're at a bar.
Speaker 3: So you got Higgins, a Boston cop, another cop, and
Speaker 3: this guy sitting at a table. And now this is
Speaker 3: this has had to be after Brian had gone and
Speaker 3: testified at the grand jury. And the friend is saying
Speaker 3: that Brian felt like he had a lot more Uh,
Speaker 3: he was a lot looser calmer, didn't have any worries,
Speaker 3: which to me means he gave it up. Oh wow, wow,
Speaker 3: he gave it up and go yeah. So the subject
Speaker 3: came up and said, hey, Brian, come on nothing now,
Speaker 3: these are all good friends. Now he goes, come on, now,
Speaker 3: Brian what's up with this whole thing with O'Keefe. He goes, listen,
Speaker 3: you know, it gets middle huddle. He said, listen, I
Speaker 3: never touched John, never touched him.
Speaker 1: He says.
Speaker 3: In fact, when John came down, you know, calling, and
Speaker 3: Brian attacked tooing him right, he says, I was getting
Speaker 3: the dog off of John. I was pulling, and John's
Speaker 3: pulling his arm, but he's getting beat up. And he
Speaker 3: said I pulled. I pulled him off and next thing,
Speaker 3: the dog went after me. At the same time, the
Speaker 3: Boston cop gives us that's it. I'm done. I can't
Speaker 3: listen to this. Don't you know I'm a Boston You
Speaker 3: can't tell me the shit. He fucking takes off. He leaves,
Speaker 3: He leaves the bar. He doesn't even pay for his drink,
Speaker 3: he just takes off. He does the Irish exit. That's
Speaker 3: a real Irish exit. He fucking he did a bolt
Speaker 3: job on these guys. And that's a story. And I
Speaker 3: passed that to uh Alan Jackson. Listen, the bottom line
Speaker 3: is he gave a profit. There's no doubt in my mind.
Speaker 3: Because David and Netty said during the federal profer, Brian
Speaker 3: Higgins said, ABC, whatever the fuck he said. He said
Speaker 3: it is definitely. There's definitely a federal profit that was
Speaker 3: given by Brian Higgins. He's not stupid. His attorney is
Speaker 3: a former assistant. You have this attorney. They know how
Speaker 3: the game is played.
Speaker 1: So so you don't think he perjured himself on the
Speaker 1: stand then okay, Well.
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. The profer cannot be used directly against
Speaker 3: the person getting it all right, They're told right after
Speaker 3: bat anything you say to us will not be used
Speaker 3: directly against you. However, if we don't believe you, or
Speaker 3: if you fudge or hedge on anything and we don't
Speaker 3: come to an agreement, which I guess they didn't, they said, okay, fine,
Speaker 3: we're not going to do it. Will go around based
Speaker 3: on this information and investigate other people to get to you.
Speaker 3: But they couldn't use his information against him. Now here's
Speaker 3: the thing he mentions on the stand, which is crazy. Uh, well,
Speaker 3: I did see a tall guy with doc here. No
Speaker 3: one had ever mentioned that. And my theory is this,
Speaker 3: he probably said that to the FETs, and he probably
Speaker 3: said that on purpose at the at the trial. And
Speaker 3: here's another thing. We all know he was at the
Speaker 3: Sally Port. You could see him in the sally Port,
Speaker 3: he says, I don't recall, Yeah, what's he doing in
Speaker 3: the sally part? He has no jurisdiction in this case.
Speaker 1: What is he doing there?
Speaker 3: He says, flat out, I don't recall even in the
Speaker 3: sally Port. You know, he did everything he could to
Speaker 3: not get jammed up. But you know, at the end
Speaker 3: of the game, I mean, let's face it, he's done.
Speaker 3: He is done. They're all done. It's just a matter
Speaker 3: of time. That's that's my thing.
Speaker 1: You continue to give us hope. Sean. We've kept you
Speaker 1: for two hours, and thank you. I thank you so
Speaker 1: much for your time.
Speaker 3: Man, I'm telling you, and like the Glarer knows, Mike,
Speaker 3: Mike the Jerk Crawford, he knows. All these guys know.
Speaker 3: We could talk for hours and hours and still not
Speaker 3: get through anything. But I listen, you need me anytime
Speaker 3: for a round table whatever. Yes, you know we're gonna
Speaker 3: put together a round table. You're awesome.
Speaker 1: Before we say goodbye to you, I want to say
Speaker 1: thank you to everybody in the chat for coming in
Speaker 1: supporting Sean. I know that he has so many fans,
Speaker 1: and I hope you enjoyed the content. Tonight.
Speaker 3: I love you so, thank you. I love the fact
Speaker 3: that I can see new I see old uh names
Speaker 3: I see all the time, but I see new people here,
Speaker 3: which is which is nice, which is great.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, definitely. I mean a lot of a
Speaker 1: lot of new people are aware of CAB and we
Speaker 1: will continue to do TCU. We got to start working now.
Speaker 1: Courtney's brought a lot of data and video and audio
Speaker 1: and photos back from Pennsylvania. That case I could take.
Speaker 1: Uh oh, someone just said I suck. I got to
Speaker 1: put that one up. Was that?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Man? Who you? Yeah? All right, thanks man, I appreciate that.
Speaker 3: The people come on, man, I love it. This is
Speaker 3: not easy being on the easiest part is for me.
Speaker 3: I got to say, and right now, you've got the
Speaker 3: hot part I've got on the show. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I've only been doing it for fourteen years, so I
Speaker 1: know I don't suck. But I'm going to put that
Speaker 1: up just to make him feel good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just you know, hey, listen, I you know,
Speaker 3: I love I love messing with these people. I've got
Speaker 3: a little rude to a few people today before I
Speaker 3: come on the show. You know, I gotta stay to
Speaker 3: my my new Sean two point oh, but a little
Speaker 3: bit of the one comes back. Yes, yes, hey, listen,
Speaker 3: I'm telling you my microphone is coming over beautifully.
Speaker 1: The hell no, you sound good to me. Man, It's
Speaker 1: all good, man, it is all good. Thank you, It's
Speaker 1: just me.
Speaker 3: I love to mess with me. I tell you, they
Speaker 3: know they know the trigger for me.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and thank you so much, Melissa, you are so
Speaker 1: kind if you have a question. Thank you so much
Speaker 1: for your super chat and aunt BB two. You guys
Speaker 1: are Yeah, we're definitely gonna have Sean on again and
Speaker 1: we'll be getting more we're gonna do. We're gonna set
Speaker 1: up a round table. I gotta get a hold of
Speaker 1: I'd like to get Mike. I'd love to get Nurse Kim.
Speaker 1: I'd love to get NASA in the air. And what's
Speaker 1: gonna happen is every the way that the CAB round
Speaker 1: table works is everyone is going to have to bring
Speaker 1: a Karen Reid trial or Karen Reid case related topic
Speaker 1: and then you're going to pitch that topic or that question,
Speaker 1: and everybody around the table will get to come in
Speaker 1: on what your either your theory, your hypothesis, your question,
Speaker 1: your coming and so we're going to circle. Everybody, we'll
Speaker 1: get to do it. So we'll get we'll do that.
Speaker 3: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: All right on behalf of Special Agent Sean excuse me, supervisor,
Speaker 1: check yourself, Supervisory Special Agent Sean A. McDonough. This is
Speaker 1: DJ saying peace out, one love and we'll see you
Speaker 1: down the road.
Speaker 3: Thank you, brother, thank you.
Speaker 1: Wait till I get to the video. Here we go.
Speaker 1: This should be. It is that it Uh see when
Speaker 1: I know have my producer here. He's so amazing. He
Speaker 1: does all this work for me. This is the cab
Speaker 1: out trop