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Speaker 2: This is Big Fight Weekend. Now here is your host,

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Speaker 3: Well, we get ready for an interesting weekend nearing the

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end of November. In that it is a preview pod,

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but we don't have a whole lot to preview.

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Speaker 2: We'll get into that. Rest assured.

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Speaker 3: We got plenty of news, we got plenty of nostalgia,

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we got plenty of reason to be here on the

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Big Fight Weekend, a preview podcast. I am the somewhat

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competent host, TJ Reeves, our insider Dan Raphael, Fight Freaks

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You Night, the substack, the newsletter is back aboard. I

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think we have sufficiently recovered from all the Jake Paul

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Mike Tyson stuff, the Latino Night in Saudi Arabia for

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Oscar de la Hoya's Golden Boy promotions. Now we kind

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of cruise into this weekend and then into Thanksgiving coming up.

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Big Dan, how you feeling here as we rock along

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in November.

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Speaker 1: I'm good and I'm actually uh, I gotta be honest,

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I'm not that disappointed that for the first time in a while,

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there's like literally nothing this weekend. Because every now and again,

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especially after last week with the back to back shows.

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I was super busy with the Latino Night as well

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as the Tyson Jake Cole event. I'm good to have

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a Saturday where there's nothing going on.

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Speaker 3: It's nice and by the way, we want to be

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it's the preview pot and there is some things. There

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are some things, but look, but look, we're just saying

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Speaker 2: We're good you and I.

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Speaker 3: But it's tough to do a recap podcast when there's

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not a whole lot other than what is it, Harlan

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we'll have good stuff for Sunday, it just won't be

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we're gonna do for Sunday, and you're gonna like it.

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And we don't just mean your parents taking medicine.

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Speaker 3: So again, with the understanding there's not going to be

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reason that there's not a big time fight card, let's

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move on to the news that we have and short

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of Dan Rayfield, I think almost everybody else in the

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boxing profession save Oscar de la Hoya and I don't

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know who else. Roy Jones didn't call him out after

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the fights. Everybody wants a piece of Jake Paul and

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wants a piece of the payday, wants a piece of

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the golden ticket.

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Speaker 2: Right about now, what are we up to? Like? Sixteen guys, I'm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, find it absolutely hilarious.

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Speaker 3: Carl Froch, who Arthur Better, b F Daniel Dubois, Rocky Balboa?

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Who else are way up to here? That wants Jake

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Paul in the possible page listen.

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Speaker 1: Jake is a novice boxer still and just because he

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beat a nearly sixty year old Mike Tyson in a

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mega event which by the way, officially now MVP and

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has announced their at gate was eighteen point one million dollars,

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which was already that's a little higher than they had

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originally said, which they had originally said it was like

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seventeen and changed, but eighteen point one million dollars in

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ticket sales makes it the largest gate in the United

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States history for a boxing event that didn't take place

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in Las Vegas. That is remarkable. And when you think

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about big time fights, it took place outside of Las Vegas.

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Think about a mega fight a Vander Holyfield Lennox Lewis

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won at Madison Square Garden in what nineteen ninety eight

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for the undisputed heavyweight title. That was the draw, That

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was the nonsense draw. That fight was as big as

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a guest Gay was like thirteen point four million dollars. Now,

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granted that's a number of years ago in flash and

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a nearly a sixty year old long shot faded. Mike

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of his skill level, and Jake Paul still what would

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be considered like a prospect type fighter at this point

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in terms of the ability that he has shown in

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the fighters he had fought. But it just goes to

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show you the star power when you take a generational

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guy like Tyson from the eighties and on to a fighter,

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a social media star like Jake Paul in today's day

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and age with the younger audience, and you put them

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together and it makes sure a gargantue and gargantuan event.

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But in terms that's the I thought it was funny though,

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that he beats a Tyson and not a particularly good

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fight obviously. And Jake, even by his own admission, which

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I kind of annoyed by, you know, said he basically

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led up and went easy on Mike. That everybody's calling

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him out. So the list that I have compiled looking at,

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I mean, there may be others, So this is not

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necessarily the end all be all. So Jake Paul reposted

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I guess some direct messaging from him and Daniel Dubas,

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who of course he's got the IBF heavyweight title. So

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he's saying, I'll give you a title shot, and Jake

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was mocking him. He's like, hey, dude, you've been you know,

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you had over one hundred fights between your amateur and

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pro career. Uh and you even fought on one of

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my undercards. And he's right because which a couple of

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years ago when Jake was fighting one of his you know,

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MMA fights. I forget which battle was, but Daniel Duwa

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made his American debut and fought on his undercard.

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Speaker 3: It was Tyrone Woodley the first fighting Cleveland. Yeah exactly,

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and Dubois got a first round knockout on that undercard.

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Speaker 2: So it's a great comeback. So yeah, yeah, yeah that.

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Speaker 1: He got andre Ward who's basically says I haven't been

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in the gym or picked up the gloves in seven years.

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Speaker 3: And Carl Paul Fratch, by the way, he said eleven years.

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He had andre Bat He said, I haven't done anything

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for eleven years. I'm an old man, I'm great, I'm

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out of shape, and I'd still whip you.

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Speaker 1: So you got those two guys who are obviously Hall

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of famers. You know, when we're great fighters in their

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day and are not old men. It actually wouldn't have

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been outrageous if neither of them had still been fighting,

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but they decided to call it a day when they did,

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and you know, congratulations to them. Yeah. Tony Bellu, former

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cruiserweight champion, who's you never knows when to shut up.

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Speaker 3: Saw what he did at the final press conference where

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they had the gimmick with the promotional guy in the

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green robe, the old guy, and then he started yapping

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and mentioning the sponsors and they're trying to yank the

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mic away from him. And I'm going, if that, if

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that's to try to I legitimately thought this, if that

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is to try to get a fight with Jake Paul,

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it's pretty pathetic.

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Speaker 2: If that's what Bill You is actually up to you You.

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Speaker 1: Got Arthur better BF calling him out. He's the undisputed

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fight heavyweight champion and now you got uh And we'll

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discuss it in a little bit later. But Oliver the McCall,

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the former WBC heavyweight champion, like massive not upset of

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Lennox Lewis a million years ago. He actually fought the

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other night. He was calling him out, So well, let

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me see if I got this straight. He got the

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former two former super midleweight champions, and Andre Ward and

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with number one pound pound. He got former cruiserweight champion

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and Tony Bellue for the current undisputed light heavyweight champion,

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and Arthur Better BF. And then he got the IBF

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heavyweight rating champion today, Daniel Dubois. So he got champions

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from super middleweight to heavyweight, calling out what a eleven

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Speaker 3: Yeah, now clarify one thing, because you're in these worlds

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and you would know this answer.

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Speaker 2: Let's cut right to it at a forty five degree angle.

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Speaker 3: Hypothetically, if Daniel Dubois wanted to defend the IBF title

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against Jake Paul, could he legitimately do that?

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Speaker 2: And what would stand in the way? And the same

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Speaker 3: Beef better bf's got three of the belts, Duwal only

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has the IBF heavyweight title.

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Speaker 2: Could they legitimately say I want to fight that guy?

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Speaker 3: Paul says yes, and the And then here's the big

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question with the sanctioning body.

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Speaker 2: Go along with it. What is the key that's it's real.

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Speaker 1: Jake is not rated in any sanctioning body. So that's

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the first thing to overcome. But when when my good

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buddy Gilberto Mendoza Junior from the WBA is out there

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putting stuff on his social media saying he wants to

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sanction a fight for a title between Jake Paul and Julio, says,

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our child is they would sanction in your mom against

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Jake Poul.

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Speaker 2: For Wait a minute, that's legitimate.

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Speaker 1: That's what he put out, no joke. So but here

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here's the point I'm getting at. Currently, as the rules stand,

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if you're not rated in the organization, you can't fight

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for the title. But it's like which came first, the

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chicken or the egg. They can put him in the ratings.

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That happens all the time, guys move into the ratings.

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Now I would say this, I actually believe that the

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IBF would not allow that to happen because Jake has

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had one fight atav youweight against an early sixty year

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old guy in Tyson, has no never been rated by

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them before, has never fought at ten rounder. Other than

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the Tommy Theory fight, has never boxed for one of

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their regional time idols, et cetera, et cetera. And so

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the IBF, as we've discussed many times, generally follows their rules.

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to see them putting him in and allowing that to happen.

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that's happening. But the fact that we even would have.

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Speaker 3: To way down and he'd have to move way down

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Speaker 2: Obviously, he just thought what did he fight at? Officially?

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Speaker 1: It was like two twenty seven, So I mean to

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think that his general his general weight for his fights

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so far, other than the Mike Tyson fight, has generally

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been in like you know, the one eighties and one nineties.

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Speaker 3: But still to have been fighting at two twenty and

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then try to come all the way down to one

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seventy five, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about it.

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Speaker 1: The whole thing is just all of it. I only

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put this on the on the list because everybody seems

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to be talking about it, and it's so preposterous that

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you have these top elite, either current pound for pound guys,

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raining TIT holders or former greats and Hall of famers

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calling out a novice guy that's eleven and one because

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he'd beat a six year old Mike Tyson.

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Speaker 3: But I think partially too in the better be ever

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Dubois case, they believe it's not only a golden ticket,

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but I could smash this guy because I see opportunity.

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He's he's not, I mean, his experienced at the world

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class level, blah blah blah.

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Speaker 1: So I'll say this, and this is not a knock

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on Jake Paul. I'm on record a thousand times telling

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you that I respect what he's been doing in boxing

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and his efforts and his is hard working in the

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gym and training and everything. Daniel Dubois, who I don't

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consider it to be like a great heavyweight. He's obviously

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a very solid good heavyweight in today's day. But Daniel

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Dubois against Jake Paul, that's like a one or two

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round fight for for Dango. I mean, that's not even

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that's it's an absurdity. I mean it's a destruction of

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Daniel Duoise. He seasoned veteran fighter at this point, and

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he's got some losses. Fine, he's also got some big wins.

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He I mean, he is a guy that just you know,

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annihilated Anthony Joshua you know this, the guy that uh

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you know annihilated Philip Hergovich. I mean those are real heavyweights.

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I mean say whatever you want.

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Speaker 2: Dudes too large dudes, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Pop amateurs, you know, top top guys. So anyway, that

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that that's that's the sharpest part of the show.

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Speaker 3: Non the nonsense begins the show. All Right, So, since

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you and I were last on the pod, David Benavidez

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and David Morrell kicked off the promotion for their February date. Uh,

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they were in Los Angeles. What did you make of

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the news conference? Benavetas has always got something to say,

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always usually stirs it up. What about the news conference

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that kicked off earlier this week?

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Speaker 1: Well, I thought I thought it was a good news conference.

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was a lot of like seeming animosity between that. I'm

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sort of like surprised by that because my knowing, my

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having covered and dealt with David both David's for a

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while is David Benavidez is definitely not a guy that's

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gonna start talking shit unless the other guy starts first,

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like a kalab plant for example. But when you see

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him going into a fight like with Aldlexander Vozicker, doesn't

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say anything. He's a perfect gentleman. So it's kind of

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like the Canelo school of thought. You know, if you

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mess around me, I'll get it right back, but if

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you don't start with me, I'm gonna be cool. So okay,

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David was going after him, and David Morrell, who has

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always been a very respectful guy, also similarly not a

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guy that starts in with his opponents. So what I

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was told is that when they were shooting the commercial

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part of like doing promo shoot behind the scenes, this

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is before the press conference started, this on Tuesday in

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Los Angeles, that whatever happened, they were gibber jabber and

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back and forth in Spanish, and and something was said

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that that Benavidez i guess didn't like her. Maybe it

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was the other way around, but they kind of got,

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you know, sideways with it, and it carried over into

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the news conference, and so when they got to the

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news conference, you know, Benaviez was basically saying that Morel

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was trying to make it personal and he had a

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great line sat So I'm personally gonna break his mouth,

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is what benavite Haz said, and Morel was giving it

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back to him, also predicting the knockout one hundred percent.

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He's gonna you know that that can David Benavidez can

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talk all he wants, and you know, he's all basically

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all bark, no bite, and I'm gonna knock him out

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and you know, puffing his chest out how much he's

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waited for the opportunity. Listen, this is a fantastic matchup

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and if they bring the heat with some of the

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bullshit back and forteen, that makes it even a little

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bit more exciting and interesting. I know that they are

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very early in their days as light heavyweights. Each of

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them have only had one fight in the division. In

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their most recent bouts June four, Benavides when he fought

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Vozik and August when David Merrell fought hot Rod Kalegic,

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But neither one of them really set the world on

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fire in those fights. But I think they're definitely be

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up and amped up for this fight. And I'm looking

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at it like, yeah, it's for a couple of like

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lower tier light heavyweight belts and interim in a regular

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But look, two guys stow in their twenties, two guys

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are undefeated, two guys who've shown good power, two guys

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who have shown a desired a willingness to fight the

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top guys. Two guys who definitely come to fight similar size.

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I mean, it really does have the hallmarks for a

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very close fight, for a great fight, or possibly where

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we'll be saying when it's over, maybe it was a

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controversial decision, we want to see a rematch. Whatever, it's

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that kind of fight. I'm very excited for this fight.

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February first, it'll be the first pay per view of

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the PBC calendar for next year. They are planning. It's

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not done yet. They're probably gonna do like a show

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box ish level card January tenth in Orlando, but this

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will be the first championship level card that they do

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on February first at the Team Mobile and they got

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a heck of them in event. I hope that that box.

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I mean, this is the kind of fight that in

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years past would have been live, HBO, Live, Showtime, maybe ESPN, Fox, whatever,

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when they were you know, those types of networks doing

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the shows. I don't know if it rises to a

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pay per view level in my mind yet, but I'm

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definitely interested in this fight.

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Speaker 3: I won't miss it, all right, good stuff on that, Okay.

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As soon as I saw this, I knew we had

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to talk about the announced exhibition with Ryan Garcia, who

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remained suspended in the United States for his shenanigans around

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the David the Devin Haney fight back this past April,

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testing positive for osterine not once, but twice pre pre

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fight and post fight.

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Speaker 2: He's now gonna fight the Japanese.

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Speaker 3: Kickboxer or U ryu Kaya Ryukaya a repo say it

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correctly for me.

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Speaker 1: He's a killing Rikia and Po and he is a japan.

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Speaker 2: And Paul, I'm sorry, and Poe.

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Speaker 1: He's a Japanese kickboxer who I had never heard of,

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quite frankly, PJ other than when the first time ireed

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of him which is because back however, many months ago,

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he was the opponent in an exhibition in Japan against

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Manny Pacam and that was at a time if you remember,

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there was a there was a period where they were

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trying to maybe make either either Manny against Connor. Den

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was in the conversations they were trying to get Turkey

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Ao Chi Caponi up for it. Then after that, more

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more close to when he fought this exhibition, there was

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a lot of conversation that PBC might do Pakyo versus

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Mario Barrios for Barrios' WBC welterweight title, and then many

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pack I went out there and thought this like, I

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think it was a three round exhibition against an PO

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and got his ass kicked and looked like looked like

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Manny pack Yo, sounded like Manny pack Yo, but look

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about one hundred years oldering. I mean, you think Mike

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Tyson look a bit shotsky. I mean, that's that's what

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we're talking about with Manny. That was a good fight.

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He looked absolutely horrible, and this an PO, who not

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a boxer by trade, he's a kickboxer, just was strafing

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him with shots the whole fight, I mean, and It

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made me think to myself, you know, even if you

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thought maybe Manny could give it a go against a

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you know, a good fighter but not a great fighter

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and something like Brios, I had real second thoughts when

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I saw this kickboxer basically kick his ass for three rounds.

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So Ryan Garcia is going over there to do this

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match there. Did the interesting thing about is they'll use

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uh this This was not in the press release, but

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what I was told by Golden Boy, who was still

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his promoter even though they're not in promoting this event.

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They're using the larger similarly size like big you know,

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fourteen ounce gloves or twelve ounce gloves. They'll fight two

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minute rounds, eight rounds, and the catchweight is one hundred

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and fifty three pounds, which is by far the biggest

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for Garcia because remember when he blew weight against Devin Hainey,

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it was totally like one forty three or something like that.

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And here is going to go in and the max

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now is one fifty three against the bigger man in

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the kickboxer right.

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Speaker 3: So fundamentally is he jeopardizing This is the first thing

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I thought, and I've been waiting for me. Is he

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jeopardizing that the suspension will be longer because you're going

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to go fight a modified boxing match, but a boxing match,

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call it an exhibition or not.

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Speaker 1: And it's a pay per view exhibition that will not

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count on his record. So I was curious about that too.

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I have made some calls to the folks that at

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the New York Commission. I have not heard a response back,

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but I did speak to Golden Boy and they told

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me that they have talked to New York Commission about it,

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and they have been told one hundred percent they are

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not looking this as like a real boxing match. He

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is not in violation of his of his suspension from

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what they're saying, New York told them. So he's not

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doing anything to jeopardize, you know, assuming he passes whatever

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drug testing goes on between now and then anyway. But

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by taking this match as an exhibition and going to Japan,

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he's not in any way jeopardizing his ability to reapply

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in New York in April, as opposed to had he

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just gone to some other jurisdiction and gotten a real

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license for a real fight, because that commission licensed him

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just because then he would have been looking at big trouble,

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and in New York would have looked down at it,

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but because they checked with them first, and it's not

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an official fight, I am told by Golden Boy from

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what the New York Commission told them that this is

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not in any way jeopardizing that situation. So their perspective

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from Golden Boys side of things is, look, he'll get

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in some shape, you know, he'll he'll shake off some

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russ however long this goes. It's not a real fight,

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but it's like a glorified sparring whatever, And you know

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that's good for when they do bring him back, which

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presumably if he's able to reapply for the license come

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April sometime you know, in the not too distant future,

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after that, they probably would have some kind of fight

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set up for him. I would imagine if he gets

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his license back in April, you know, we may see

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him back in there, maybe maybe as soon as May,

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but maybe more like the summertime. So this will be

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that sort of in between you know, quasi activity if

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you will. And also I am told also you know

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Ryan has started to sing, and he put out a

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song and then some like a storm EP record I guess,

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so apparently he's doing a concert there as well as

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doing the exhibitions.

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Speaker 3: And it may be a tough debate on which is

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more interesting him singing or the actual exhibition.

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Speaker 2: How about or neither see neither a nor b.

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Speaker 1: Oh? Are you excited for that? About the date for

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those who care, December thirtieth in Tokyo. Forgive me, I

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will December thirtieth year in the United States, but I

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guess it'll be December thirty first.

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Speaker 2: Forgive me, I will not market on my calendar.

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Speaker 3: I'll rely on you to keep me straight on anything worthwhile,

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his singing or otherwise. All right, let's get to something

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that really matters, and that is hams as Hiraz. I

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thought he was ticketed to be fighting Jana Beck for

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unified Middleway titles. You've been talking about this though, that

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they they called off the purse bid. Sharaz's team didn't

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want to take place in the purse bid. And now

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you've got more on Sharaz and the title fight. It

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looks like with Carlos adamis materializing, including when and where

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go ahead.

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Speaker 1: So here's the thing. Sharaz is high up in the

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rankings in the various organizations. He was ordered to fight

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Janebek in what would have been a WBO mandatory fight.

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But just because that was ordered doesn't mean that was

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his only route to go to a title. But he's

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also ranked number one in the WBC and he's highly

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ranked I believe in the WBA as well. So they

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pulled out of the a janeback fight because they know

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they get their getting they would they wouldn't have pulled

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out of the Janebeck mandatory if they didn't know they

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were getting something else in that same spot. Frank Barr

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and his promoter's been saying for weeks he's fighting for

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a world title on February twenty second. That's when they're

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doing a big read season card in Riad, And it

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was just a matter of which champion they were going

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to fight. So the Jannebek fight, they were either not

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able to make the deal or they decided that was

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not for their liking for whatever reason, and so they

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withdrew from the pursepit. And they had to the sides.

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By all accounts, because I talked to the Frank Warr

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people as well as the top rank they had been

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talking about trying to doing a deal. I guess it

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never went too far, and they didn't do the deal.

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And so instead of just you know, wasting everybody's time

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and money because you got to put up a deposit,

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some of it's non refundable, to go through and do

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a purse bid, which they had postponed a couple of times,

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they pulled out of the purse bid the day of

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the purse bid. And so now that leaves who were

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the two other champions, Well, they're both with PBC. What

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is ARISLANEI Laara who's the WBA title holder, and one

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is Carlos A Damas, And both of them have been

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on the table and PBC has been talking to Queensberry

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about either guy's availability. I am told by people on

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both sides and that it's gonna be Carlos adamis they

473
00:21:46,559 --> 00:21:48,920
that they liked that fight better. Maybe the business deal

474
00:21:49,039 --> 00:21:51,599
was better, the money whatever it was. And that is again,

475
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:54,119
it wasn't done, it wasn't signed, but as it was

476
00:21:54,160 --> 00:21:56,559
described to me as being finalized, we're getting everything or

477
00:21:56,559 --> 00:21:58,759
getting our ducks in a row. But I believe both

478
00:21:58,799 --> 00:22:01,039
sides have assurances that the fight is taking place and

479
00:22:01,039 --> 00:22:05,640
they're good to go, and he'll fight apparently on February

480
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:07,599
twenty second, one of the fights on this riad season

481
00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:09,440
card will be It's a good matchup too, by the way.

482
00:22:09,640 --> 00:22:12,839
That's the thing about it, Sharras, just by the mere

483
00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,559
fact that everybody was talking to him. He may not

484
00:22:15,599 --> 00:22:17,200
have the title, but he's the money guy in the

485
00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,359
division because everybody wanted to fight him, because he's got

486
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,599
the backing of Queensberry, which has the backing of Read Season,

487
00:22:22,599 --> 00:22:26,119
which has the backing of Turkey. And he's a talented fighter.

488
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:29,319
He you know, was undefeated, been putting on spectacular performances

489
00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,640
last few fights, had won the European title in his

490
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:33,599
last fight, which he vacated because he's now going to

491
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:35,880
be fighting for a world title, and so he had

492
00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,839
his pick of the litter, so to speak. Janeddek's got

493
00:22:37,880 --> 00:22:41,079
two belts, and we just mentioned Laura and Adam Adamas

494
00:22:41,079 --> 00:22:41,680
had the other two.

495
00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:44,960
Speaker 2: It ain't much of a litter on what else is

496
00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,359
there to fight if you're a Damas or if you're.

497
00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:52,200
Speaker 1: Shar But those are the top middleweights currently in in

498
00:22:52,319 --> 00:22:55,720
the division with the belts, and all of them are

499
00:22:55,759 --> 00:22:59,720
in a position where that timing for our February is

500
00:22:59,759 --> 00:23:02,039
good for everybody. Jane Beek fought at the end of

501
00:23:02,039 --> 00:23:05,119
the year. Lara also did around the same time. A

502
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:07,920
Damas fought a little bit earlier than that. He fought back,

503
00:23:07,960 --> 00:23:09,799
you know, a couple of months earlier. The point is

504
00:23:10,039 --> 00:23:13,039
they're all available, and that was the route that everybody

505
00:23:13,039 --> 00:23:14,839
seems to be going. I mean, look, could ship Low

506
00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:16,359
up at the last minute, he winds up fighting Laura.

507
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,839
I guess that's possible. But someone's going to be in

508
00:23:18,839 --> 00:23:21,960
the ring across the across the ring from HM February

509
00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,480
twenty second, with the world title belt at stake, and

510
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,799
it looks like it's going to be a Domison. I,

511
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:28,640
like I said, that's a good matchup because the Damas

512
00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,359
is aggressive guy. He comes to fight, you know, he's

513
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:35,480
got pretty decent power. And Sharaz, you know, he's going

514
00:23:35,519 --> 00:23:37,680
to be bigger and taller than everybody because he's a

515
00:23:37,759 --> 00:23:40,480
much taller fighter than all these other midleweights that we

516
00:23:40,519 --> 00:23:42,680
can mention. And so I look forward to that. At

517
00:23:42,759 --> 00:23:44,519
least we know this. Whatever they put the rest of

518
00:23:44,519 --> 00:23:47,000
that show, and there's still lots of fights being talked about,

519
00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:51,559
that on paper is a very solid matchup and and frankly,

520
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,480
in a different time in boxing without the mass of

521
00:23:54,559 --> 00:23:57,799
riad season cards. You can't tell me that Carlos the

522
00:23:57,839 --> 00:24:00,920
Damas versus Hamasa Shiraz for the w GOE Await title

523
00:24:01,079 --> 00:24:02,839
Quinn headline a stone card. Of course it could.

524
00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:06,039
Speaker 3: And that's and I you know, Adamas had to wait

525
00:24:06,079 --> 00:24:10,119
for two years for Jamal Charlo to finally give up

526
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:13,519
the full belt never fight him, so in some ways

527
00:24:13,519 --> 00:24:15,920
he deserves to have a high profile title fight, and

528
00:24:15,960 --> 00:24:17,799
this will be a much more high profile title fight

529
00:24:17,799 --> 00:24:20,559
obviously in the UK, with Sharaz going for the belt,

530
00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:23,200
and we'll see what happens. That's all the way into February.

531
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:26,720
You mentioned the name Oliver McCall earlier talking about Jake

532
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:31,200
Paul and he was legitimately in the ring earlier this

533
00:24:31,279 --> 00:24:35,240
week and set some kind of record here because you

534
00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:38,640
keep track of these kind of things. Is this correct

535
00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,799
on my rundown. He's fifty nine, he's older than Tyson

536
00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:44,720
by a year and was in the ring earlier this week.

537
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: By the way, he enticon sparred a million rounds together

538
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:50,039
back in the day. One thing about Oliver McCall never

539
00:24:50,039 --> 00:24:51,759
going to go down in the history as a great fighter,

540
00:24:52,079 --> 00:24:53,480
but will go down in history as one of the

541
00:24:53,519 --> 00:24:56,640
greatest all time chins. This is a guy who has

542
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,799
never been down as a professional in seventy four fights,

543
00:25:01,160 --> 00:25:04,960
including in fourteen losses. The only stoppage loss officially a

544
00:25:05,039 --> 00:25:09,839
TKO was the very very infamous rematch he had against

545
00:25:09,920 --> 00:25:12,799
Lennix Lewis for them naking WBC title when he had

546
00:25:12,799 --> 00:25:15,759
a emotional and mental breakdown in the ring and even

547
00:25:15,799 --> 00:25:17,920
when he was crying and had his hands down to

548
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,960
Lenox was hitting him. He wasn't going anywhere. But he

549
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:26,200
had not fought since twenty nineteen, which was a knockout

550
00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:28,400
win back then. So he comes out of that long

551
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,559
layoff retirement, whatever you want to call it. They fight.

552
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,599
There's a there's a regular club card called they do

553
00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:39,119
these fights in Nashville, Tennessee. It's called Country Box. They

554
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:42,440
have boxing matches and they have like country music performances.

555
00:25:42,519 --> 00:25:45,039
Speaker 2: And they showed them because it's Nashville, of course.

556
00:25:44,799 --> 00:25:48,720
Speaker 1: So they showed them on Triller TV Plus on you know,

557
00:25:48,720 --> 00:25:51,480
as part of the subscription. So I don't I've watched

558
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,279
some of those shows from here and there, But Aliver McCall,

559
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:56,079
there was not a lot going on on Tuesday Night.

560
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,640
I was sort of mildly interested and because he was

561
00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,799
fifty nine years old the promotion and I had known

562
00:26:01,839 --> 00:26:04,160
this anyway, was making a little bit of a thing

563
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,359
about the fact that if he won, he'd be the

564
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,799
oldest former heavyweight champion to win another fight at age

565
00:26:09,839 --> 00:26:11,799
fifty nine. Remember, he has to go all the way

566
00:26:11,839 --> 00:26:15,759
back to like the early nineties when it was when

567
00:26:15,759 --> 00:26:18,440
he knocked out Lennox Lewis to win that wbcav with title.

568
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,400
That was a huge upset, you know, big knockout punch

569
00:26:22,039 --> 00:26:24,200
the mandatory fight hit him right on the chin in London,

570
00:26:24,519 --> 00:26:27,559
caused a lot of havocant upset. Obviously, they ended up

571
00:26:27,599 --> 00:26:29,519
rematching a few years later when it was the title

572
00:26:29,559 --> 00:26:32,240
was vacant and Lennox won it back with the breakdown.

573
00:26:32,279 --> 00:26:34,200
But that was a huge upset when Lenox got knocked

574
00:26:34,200 --> 00:26:36,119
out by him, and then he did go on he

575
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:40,359
defended the title against Larry he Leaves against Larry Holmes

576
00:26:40,519 --> 00:26:42,519
and then ultimately lost it to Frank Bruno when he

577
00:26:42,559 --> 00:26:45,240
went back to England and Bruno finally you know, won

578
00:26:45,240 --> 00:26:46,920
the belt and you know, it was a huge deal

579
00:26:46,960 --> 00:26:50,079
in England and then later got to get a loss

580
00:26:50,079 --> 00:26:52,559
against Lennox Lewis, But yeah, you know, look for a

581
00:26:52,599 --> 00:26:55,839
fifty nine year old guy against a journeyman who was

582
00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,400
named Stacy Fraser, who was his opponent, who was fifty

583
00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,559
four years old, who came into the match with a

584
00:27:00,599 --> 00:27:03,759
record of sixteen and twenty two that had been knocked

585
00:27:03,839 --> 00:27:08,000
and now is sixteen and twenty three. I mean it

586
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:11,880
was like watching guys in slow motion. For fifty nine

587
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:14,759
year old guy, Oliver McCall didn't look half bad number one.

588
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,880
Speaker 2: In terms of against a fifty four year old with twenty.

589
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: Two I yess, And I'm not making it out to

590
00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,160
be anything more than is. But he scored two knockdowns

591
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,599
in the first round, not huge knockdowns, but he clearly

592
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:25,839
got him with one good shot on the temple pretty

593
00:27:25,920 --> 00:27:28,680
much at the first knockdown, he got up and you know,

594
00:27:28,799 --> 00:27:30,720
the guy was not looking. I don't think he was

595
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,559
looking to have at all out war and in the second.

596
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,759
Speaker 2: Because you watched this, Oliver McCall was always so cut

597
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,640
ripped physke did he have the dad bod going at

598
00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:41,880
fifty nine or does he still have some semblance of

599
00:27:41,920 --> 00:27:43,000
what we saw in the ninetees.

600
00:27:43,319 --> 00:27:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean it's some semblance, but not entirely semblance, if

601
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:49,200
that makes sense. But look, I mean for a fifteene

602
00:27:49,279 --> 00:27:54,039
year old guy, he didn't look half bad, like I said, But.

603
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,519
Speaker 3: What could he have possibly made for this fight? What's

604
00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:59,000
the realistic Did he make ten grand? Did he make

605
00:27:59,039 --> 00:28:01,640
one hundred grand? Don't takrand?

606
00:28:01,759 --> 00:28:04,200
Speaker 1: I mean if he made front.

607
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:06,480
Speaker 3: Road tickets to Jason Aldaine, if you win the fight

608
00:28:06,839 --> 00:28:08,400
in Nashville, you know, honestly, I.

609
00:28:08,319 --> 00:28:10,440
Speaker 1: Think I think if you first of all, remember it

610
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,359
was only a four round schedule fight, so I bet

611
00:28:13,359 --> 00:28:14,480
he made less than ten grand.

612
00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 2: Wow.

613
00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,160
Speaker 3: But so you're doing this just to do it because

614
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,559
you missed there, you missed the competition number one.

615
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure you know a lot of these

616
00:28:22,279 --> 00:28:22,759
guys they did.

617
00:28:22,799 --> 00:28:22,920
Speaker 2: Ever.

618
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 1: You know, Oliver might have made decent money in his career,

619
00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,599
but he didn't exactly live the lifestyle that's gonna I'm

620
00:28:27,599 --> 00:28:29,640
pretty sure he doesn't have like an IRA or you know,

621
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,640
CDs or you know, investment portfolios or anything like that. Uh.

622
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:35,920
I will say this, for all the craziness of Oliver

623
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:38,599
McCall's career, I I was at a couple of his

624
00:28:38,640 --> 00:28:40,960
fights because even though after he lost the title, he

625
00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,799
would still show up sporadically in some Don King undercards,

626
00:28:43,839 --> 00:28:46,799
and he was always, uh, you know, part of that crew.

627
00:28:46,839 --> 00:28:49,279
Don always had these different heavyweights always around where he

628
00:28:49,279 --> 00:28:51,200
would come to Don's fights. I actually hung out with

629
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,759
Oliver i'll call a couple of times at a few

630
00:28:53,759 --> 00:28:56,359
different fights. Very pleasant, nice guy when he's not high

631
00:28:56,400 --> 00:28:59,960
on drugs and all that, and a good sense of humor.

632
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,240
I mean, I hope he lives a good life.

633
00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:05,119
Speaker 3: I mean, you are just like dead panning the comedy

634
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,359
about Oliver McCall and you don't even realize it. He's

635
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,200
really a great guy when he's not high on drugs.

636
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,039
Speaker 2: That's a tremendous life. I mean, put that on a

637
00:29:11,079 --> 00:29:12,279
put that on a refrigerator.

638
00:29:12,599 --> 00:29:15,119
Speaker 1: He was a likable guy. So anyway that that that

639
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,599
was their four rounder. But the funny, the hilarious part

640
00:29:17,599 --> 00:29:20,119
about it was so he gets the knockout, he's happy,

641
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:22,240
he says he's going to continue. He's you know, he

642
00:29:22,279 --> 00:29:24,920
said he wanted to drop another ten pounds when he

643
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:27,279
comes back and maybe look a little bit better than

644
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:28,119
you want me to.

645
00:29:28,079 --> 00:29:30,839
Speaker 2: Say it, don't you What are we doing here? What

646
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:31,960
are we doing here?

647
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,519
Speaker 1: You're at what end to make a long story short,

648
00:29:35,519 --> 00:29:37,599
when the fight was over, he called out Mike Tyson

649
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:38,319
and Jake Paul.

650
00:29:38,359 --> 00:29:41,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course you try to make some more money,

651
00:29:41,119 --> 00:29:41,480
all right.

652
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,599
Speaker 3: So we have that, we have a couple more news items,

653
00:29:43,599 --> 00:29:45,720
and we got some killer nostalgia to wrap it up with.

654
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:47,960
We're doing pretty well when we don't have fights to

655
00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:48,759
preview this weekend.

656
00:29:48,799 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: I told you we had a lot of news.

657
00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:51,240
Speaker 1: You got boxing to talk about.

658
00:29:51,559 --> 00:29:56,359
Speaker 3: Ji opataia mandatory title defense upcoming for the Lineal IBF

659
00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:57,559
Cruiserweight Championship.

660
00:29:57,599 --> 00:29:58,960
Speaker 2: Give me the deats. What's going on?

661
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:02,279
Speaker 1: So this was not a shocker. He has a mandatory

662
00:30:02,359 --> 00:30:04,240
due he's got to fight a fighter from Germany named

663
00:30:04,279 --> 00:30:07,480
Hussein Sinkara who is twenty two and zero with eighteen knockouts.

664
00:30:07,519 --> 00:30:11,240
But as a resume that, you know, that makes William

665
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:13,960
Skull look like, you know, he's manny Pacou.

666
00:30:14,519 --> 00:30:17,400
Speaker 3: Here we go with the IBF again with what what

667
00:30:17,519 --> 00:30:20,599
is this guy doing? He's one, right, he's number one.

668
00:30:20,519 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 1: He's the mandatory I mean, it's it's a little ridiculous.

669
00:30:23,039 --> 00:30:25,680
I mean, but the good thing for Jai is he

670
00:30:25,799 --> 00:30:28,519
fought his h Well, remember he had the great fight

671
00:30:28,559 --> 00:30:31,200
the first time around with myras greatest when he won

672
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,559
the title, the IBF Belt end of lineal title, he

673
00:30:33,599 --> 00:30:35,160
got the broken jaw. He was off for a while

674
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,240
because of that, and when he came back and defended

675
00:30:37,279 --> 00:30:38,920
it for the first time, he had signed a co

676
00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:41,319
promotion with Mattroum. They did that fight on a card

677
00:30:41,359 --> 00:30:43,839
in England and then his next three fights after that

678
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,160
were all in Saudi Arabia on the read season under cards.

679
00:30:46,319 --> 00:30:48,279
So this was the good spot for them to go home,

680
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:52,559
back to that same place in the Gold Coast Convention

681
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,279
Center in Broadbeach, Australia for him to defend. And this

682
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:58,880
hasn't been officially officially announce yet. It'll be on his

683
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,599
own once they get all the details and it gets announced.

684
00:31:01,759 --> 00:31:03,599
But the good thing about is that, so you know,

685
00:31:03,720 --> 00:31:06,519
figure he you know, he should defeat the thirty nine

686
00:31:06,599 --> 00:31:09,079
year old guy from Germany that never fought anybody, because

687
00:31:09,119 --> 00:31:11,799
Opataia is just a you know, he's a dominating fighter

688
00:31:11,839 --> 00:31:15,480
at this point, ten years younger, undefeated, lots of knockouts,

689
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:20,400
look good in recent fights. Anyway, he has the mandatory

690
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,920
to do against Sinkara coming up in January. Do you

691
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,279
go back to Latino Knight card from the previous week.

692
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:30,599
Yet Zerdo Ramirez defending his WBA title and also winning

693
00:31:30,599 --> 00:31:33,319
the WBO title against Chris Bill and Smith, so he's

694
00:31:33,359 --> 00:31:38,319
got two titles. Opataia has got the igh BF Millennial title.

695
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,039
But so there there's a lot of discussion. They'll fight

696
00:31:41,079 --> 00:31:43,119
each other to further unify the titles. Turkey Yl she

697
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:46,839
loves doing the unification fights. Clearly wants those guys involved.

698
00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:49,200
He's been putting those guys on because, as I mentioned,

699
00:31:49,279 --> 00:31:52,640
Zerdo just fought in Riad. The previous three fights that

700
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,920
Opataia has had have been in Riad. So they're both

701
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,119
in positions where they got to do mandatory fights. So

702
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,759
Opataia is gonna fight the fight in January. Then you

703
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:04,759
have Ramirez is gonna have to deal with his mandatory

704
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,480
Young Mail Dordicos, who is the BBA mandatory which before

705
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:10,759
the fight with Jim Smith was approved. The two guys Bill,

706
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:12,920
Smith and Zero had to agree to get him to

707
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,799
step aside. He was paid a very good fee, but

708
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,200
also with the promise he'd get the next shot. So

709
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,880
what and I was told by Eric Gomazing, I'll just

710
00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:22,240
diet a little tease here. We have an interview with Eric.

711
00:32:22,759 --> 00:32:24,480
He is the vice he is the president of Golden

712
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,680
Boy Promotions. He's heavily and alved and everything that goes

713
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:29,759
on with that company. H And they'll hear that interview

714
00:32:30,279 --> 00:32:32,720
coming up on Sunday and our Sunday Night show. But

715
00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:34,519
one of the things that we talked about was the

716
00:32:34,559 --> 00:32:38,039
prospect of doing that match. And you can hear the quote,

717
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:40,200
you know, hear the conversation when you listen to the interview,

718
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,680
but to paraphrase, he's like, yeah, we'll, we'll, we'll do

719
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,160
our mandatory. He's doing his mandatory and then you know,

720
00:32:46,200 --> 00:32:49,000
we're definitely gonna That's that's the that's the plan, that's

721
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:52,680
the pathway that both sides are interested. Certainly Zerdo was interested.

722
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,640
He was calling Opatai out after the Latino Night victory,

723
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,480
and uh, you know, I think Turkey al Sheik's track

724
00:32:58,559 --> 00:33:00,960
record speaks for itself when it comes to putting those

725
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,119
types of fights together that it would not in any

726
00:33:03,119 --> 00:33:06,000
way surprise me if Opataia fights his fight in January,

727
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:09,759
figure Zerdo was ready to come back, you know sometime

728
00:33:10,519 --> 00:33:13,680
you know, I don't know, markish something like that, and

729
00:33:13,720 --> 00:33:16,960
then they can tell fight presumably they will fight each

730
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,759
other to give you and all of us the biggest

731
00:33:19,799 --> 00:33:21,640
cruiserweight fight we can have in the weight class at

732
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,039
the current time, and to unify three of the titles.

733
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:26,519
And that's that's a great plan. And by the way,

734
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:28,440
I can't I can't tell you much about sin Car,

735
00:33:28,559 --> 00:33:31,319
but you know Johnny deil Dorrikos is no no pushover.

736
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,440
He's a former title holder, big puncher, Cuban amateur career,

737
00:33:35,559 --> 00:33:39,640
amateur pedigree and has has looked looked good in some

738
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,039
big time spots and made some really good fights.

739
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:44,559
Speaker 2: Very good. I one more nugget.

740
00:33:44,599 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 3: We saw Mario Barrio struggle to a draw for the

741
00:33:47,559 --> 00:33:51,319
WBC welterweight title defense on the undercard of Jake Paul

742
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:56,799
Mike Tyson. You've got news of Amitas Stanionis and the

743
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:01,440
wb A welterweight champion and his next fight. Tell us

744
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,920
a little more about what's going on here.

745
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 1: So Stanionis has been ordered a while back to fight

746
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:08,880
his management, which is Chackrum Giasov. So Stanionis of course

747
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:13,280
is with PBC, Giasov is with Mattrium. In terms of Giuso, well,

748
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,519
we saw Stanionis just have his recent title defense. Giasov

749
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,440
was number one and maintained the position. If you remember,

750
00:34:19,599 --> 00:34:22,400
AJ back in August, a couple of nights before they

751
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:24,960
did the big card with Crawford Imaginum of the Rian

752
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:27,280
season card in Los Angeles, they had like a little

753
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:29,480
mini three fight card that took place on the Santa

754
00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,559
Monica Pier that were originally fights already have that undercard,

755
00:34:32,599 --> 00:34:36,800
but they did him separate and brought it come up

756
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,400
to the pier. I was there amazing setting an atmosphere

757
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:42,880
for those fights. Anyway, the i FGE, I don't think

758
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:44,360
it was the main event. No, Mark Castro was the

759
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:46,800
main event, but the fight before that they had Giasov

760
00:34:48,119 --> 00:34:50,559
winning his fight to sort of keep his position, so

761
00:34:50,599 --> 00:34:53,719
they both had recent fights. Anyway, that's the mandatory fight,

762
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:56,119
and so the first it had been postponed a couple

763
00:34:56,199 --> 00:34:58,239
of times. They were getting close to a deal. Now

764
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,760
the WBA has announced that they have come to an

765
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,440
agreement and that in the next few days they will

766
00:35:04,079 --> 00:35:06,920
have to tell them the venue and the date it be.

767
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,440
It'll be promoted by the PBC side of things, TGB Promotions,

768
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:14,199
and it will take place probably in the next couple

769
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:15,880
of months. Now I don't know the exact date, but

770
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,480
knowing the calendar that PBC has in front of it,

771
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,599
and they've already announced the undercard for February first, which

772
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:24,679
is the card we were just talking about with Benavide's

773
00:35:25,599 --> 00:35:28,800
against David Morrell. I don't think I think this is

774
00:35:29,199 --> 00:35:31,840
too significant of a fight to add to, like the

775
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:34,239
preliminary part of it, like the non paper view. I

776
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,519
guess it's possible, and I would certainly not be opposed

777
00:35:36,519 --> 00:35:38,480
to that to get, you know, a nice solid title

778
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:43,719
fight like that for a free But my intuition, let's say,

779
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,159
tells me that this sounds like the type of fight

780
00:35:46,519 --> 00:35:49,719
that could find its way on to March first, which

781
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,199
is the date that is now supposed to be when

782
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:56,000
you rescheduled Tank Davis against Lamont Roach. That will not

783
00:35:56,119 --> 00:35:58,119
be in Houston because the Rockets are playing that night

784
00:35:58,159 --> 00:36:00,440
in the Arena. It probably won't be at the Capitol

785
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:02,880
Want to Rena in Washington, DC, because, as I understand,

786
00:36:02,920 --> 00:36:04,760
the Washington Wizards are playing that night, so they're going

787
00:36:04,800 --> 00:36:06,440
to go somewhere else. One of the rumors is the

788
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,280
Barkley Center in Brooklyn. I guess the Nets are not

789
00:36:08,280 --> 00:36:12,239
playing that night. But regardless of where that show lands,

790
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:14,519
just you know, fouling the bread crumbs. If they've got

791
00:36:14,559 --> 00:36:16,400
a deal and they're doing the fight and they don't

792
00:36:16,440 --> 00:36:19,320
have that many dates, seems like March first makes perfect

793
00:36:19,360 --> 00:36:20,320
sense for that matchup.

794
00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:21,320
Speaker 2: Interesting.

795
00:36:21,599 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: I love how Rayphiel stays on the trail, no off days,

796
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:28,239
no off weeks for you. Love that part of it,

797
00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:32,639
and that leads us to the nostalgia. To wrap it

798
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,360
up here, heading into the weekend, it was twenty two

799
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,800
years ago on Saturday. Let's begin with the rematch of

800
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:44,960
Arturo Goddie and Mickey Ward. You were there for the

801
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:48,199
second of the three epic fights. What do we remember

802
00:36:48,239 --> 00:36:50,880
about the rematch while we look back.

803
00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: Well, first of all, this is one of the greatest

804
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,039
trilogies of all time. But if you're going to have

805
00:36:56,039 --> 00:36:59,239
a trilogy, something is going to be the best, something's

806
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:01,119
going to be in the middle, something's gonna be the least.

807
00:37:01,679 --> 00:37:04,679
So I think that even though most people would look

808
00:37:04,679 --> 00:37:07,199
at the trilogy between Gaddy and Word, and they would

809
00:37:07,199 --> 00:37:08,719
look at the first fight, which is the all time

810
00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,039
classic fight of the air type fight, look at the

811
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:13,440
third fight, all time classic fight of the air tipe fight.

812
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:16,039
A lot of people picked number three is fight the

813
00:37:16,079 --> 00:37:18,000
year a lot of people. Most people picked the first

814
00:37:18,039 --> 00:37:21,320
fight as fight of the year. The second fight was

815
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:23,199
the week was the weak link, if you will, of

816
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,760
the three. But I've always said, if you never saw

817
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,000
the first fight and you never saw the third fight,

818
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,119
you'd watch the second fight say, damn, that was a

819
00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:32,440
good fight. Now, maybe it wasn't fight at the year level,

820
00:37:32,599 --> 00:37:35,360
but when you're comparing it to the epicness of the

821
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:38,679
first fight, which was unforgettable, and then you see down,

822
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,719
you know, after that, the third fight, which is another

823
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,119
mind blowing kind of fight, you know, it's hard not

824
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:46,400
to look at the second uh installment, let's say and

825
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,079
call you know, call out the weakest of the three. Uh.

826
00:37:49,199 --> 00:37:52,000
There's usually that one fight among trilogies, not all of them.

827
00:37:52,199 --> 00:37:54,840
We've talked about, say Bo Holyfield, they had three fights.

828
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,159
All three of them are absolutely sensational. But they're not

829
00:37:58,199 --> 00:38:00,960
always like that. But Gaddy wore too. What made it

830
00:38:01,039 --> 00:38:04,320
special at the boardwalk call in Atlantic City. Now, they

831
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,760
had fought the first fight in Connecticut at the Mohegan

832
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:10,159
Sun Casino. It came to Atlantic City where Gaddy, you know,

833
00:38:10,199 --> 00:38:12,320
being a Jersey even though he's from Canada, he was

834
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:15,920
adopted by Jersey City, where he lived for many years

835
00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:18,639
and made Atlantic City, you know, like the place where

836
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,719
he was like the franchise there in terms of boxing,

837
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:24,239
and this second fight between him and Mickey really was

838
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:25,840
what kicked that off. He had fought other fights in

839
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,079
Atlantic State through the years, but this was like the first,

840
00:38:28,199 --> 00:38:31,840
like you know, fight that was highly anticipated, main main

841
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:35,800
event level kind of fight. And so the crowd, knowing

842
00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:39,519
what had happened, this fight's in November of twenty twenty two,

843
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:41,880
they had had their first fight a few months earlier,

844
00:38:42,000 --> 00:38:45,480
earlier in twenty twenty two. So the crowd that turned

845
00:38:45,519 --> 00:38:48,320
out were there not only to see hopefully another great

846
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:51,840
fight between these two you know, just tremendous warriors, but

847
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:55,599
to pay homage and give them the cheers and the

848
00:38:55,639 --> 00:38:59,199
applause and the flowers and the plaudits and showed them

849
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:01,000
the love for what they gave to the boxing roll

850
00:39:01,039 --> 00:39:04,280
from the amazing first fight. So the walk ins for

851
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:08,440
the rematch were off the charts. Like when we're talking

852
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,360
about I can still like see it and feel it.

853
00:39:10,400 --> 00:39:12,599
I get like the hairs of my next stand up

854
00:39:12,639 --> 00:39:14,880
of that, because that's the kind of situation that it

855
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,280
was but the thing about it was Mickey and you

856
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:20,119
know who knew no other way. But Gaddy had it

857
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:22,159
in him to box if he wanted to. He just

858
00:39:22,159 --> 00:39:24,360
didn't always want to. He had to be reminded of it,

859
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:25,840
and he liked to get in there and just swing

860
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,239
away and trade leather. But he employed a lot more

861
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,360
of boxing in the second fight, and it obviously worked

862
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,119
for him because he was able to win the fight. Memember,

863
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,599
he lost the first fight by this limits of margins.

864
00:39:36,599 --> 00:39:38,440
If he got the decision what he could have gotten,

865
00:39:38,480 --> 00:39:40,960
who knows that thereagan would have been a rematch, But

866
00:39:41,039 --> 00:39:43,840
the second fight became necessary because that had done such

867
00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,239
a you know, it becomes such a mainstream thing. They

868
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,519
did the rematch and Arturro won that fight. He scored

869
00:39:49,519 --> 00:39:52,320
a knockdown in the third round against Mickey Ward and

870
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,719
went on to win a fight that I guess it's

871
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:59,239
fair to say was not like a classic. But still

872
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,199
I was felt like the scores, like Mickey, you know,

873
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:04,119
was they made it seem like in the scores like

874
00:40:04,119 --> 00:40:06,840
he wasn't even in the fight. Because Mickey lost ninety

875
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:09,800
eight ninety one on two score cards in ninety eight

876
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,400
to ninety on the third score card. I always thought

877
00:40:12,400 --> 00:40:13,639
it was a little bit closer than that, but not

878
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:15,639
like Mickey was the winner of the fight. This was

879
00:40:15,679 --> 00:40:19,639
a really actually, really good boxing performance from Artaro Gotti

880
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:23,920
in this fight, particularly to the backdrop of having in

881
00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,360
May of that year been in this absolute you know,

882
00:40:27,000 --> 00:40:30,079
life and death struggled battle, you know, Royale all time

883
00:40:30,119 --> 00:40:33,320
classic against Mickey Warred the first time round. So this

884
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:36,199
was a very good performance from Arto Gotti. And obviously

885
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,280
now that they were won and one with an all

886
00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,840
time epic fight in the first one, a really good

887
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:43,199
fight in the second one, it set the stage for

888
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:45,599
them to fight the third fight. So they ended up

889
00:40:45,639 --> 00:40:48,519
having these three fights all within the span of eleven months.

890
00:40:48,519 --> 00:40:51,599
The first fight is in May of twenty two, second

891
00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:54,199
fight November of two thousand and two. Third fight in

892
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,159
June of two thousand and three. So what No, that's

893
00:40:57,440 --> 00:41:01,679
thirteen months for the entire trilogy to take place. But

894
00:41:01,800 --> 00:41:07,079
the second fight not as memorable, but a really joyous

895
00:41:07,119 --> 00:41:10,039
type of thing to cover because everybody just wanted Tom

896
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:12,920
like embrace these guys because of everything they had given

897
00:41:13,320 --> 00:41:15,039
in that first fight. And then of course they went

898
00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:16,559
out and they did the third fight was the fight

899
00:41:16,599 --> 00:41:18,599
of the year for two thousand and three and just

900
00:41:18,679 --> 00:41:19,840
another epic classic.

901
00:41:20,159 --> 00:41:21,920
Speaker 2: And I just thought of this while you were saying it.

902
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,679
Speaker 3: Canelo and Glovekin fought and then fought a year later

903
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,079
in the rematch, too, tremendous fights. And then it took

904
00:41:28,119 --> 00:41:31,280
what five years for the third fight for various reasons

905
00:41:31,599 --> 00:41:36,559
COVID nineteen crazy year of twenty twenty, the business of boxing.

906
00:41:36,920 --> 00:41:40,440
Could they get together? It took it took like five years,

907
00:41:40,519 --> 00:41:42,280
right for the third fight to happen. Here all three

908
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:44,119
of these fights in thirteen months, that's.

909
00:41:44,039 --> 00:41:47,119
Speaker 1: Right, Vasquez and Marquez. I mean they ended up fighting

910
00:41:47,159 --> 00:41:49,440
four times. We don't talk about the fourth fight, but

911
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,239
the first three we're back to back to back, and

912
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,639
they were all within I forget the exact number of months,

913
00:41:54,679 --> 00:41:58,840
but within a year or so. Holyfield and Bow they had,

914
00:41:59,039 --> 00:42:01,599
I guess a couple years, but they fought, you know,

915
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,280
in fairly shorter There was other fights in between, I guess,

916
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:06,519
but they weren't It wasn't stretched out over you know,

917
00:42:06,599 --> 00:42:10,119
many many years. Manny Pacowen and uh and one Manuel

918
00:42:10,119 --> 00:42:13,360
Marquez who fought four times. They were pretty much a

919
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,159
couple of years between the fights. Morales and Marera where

920
00:42:16,159 --> 00:42:18,440
I had two years between each fight, So you know,

921
00:42:18,519 --> 00:42:20,159
I never really had a problem with that. I mean,

922
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,800
you don't want to kill the guys. But Gaddi and Ward,

923
00:42:23,199 --> 00:42:25,400
these were not world championship fights. They were fights that

924
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,119
fans wanted. They were fans that that our fights, rather

925
00:42:28,159 --> 00:42:30,039
that the network wanted, which was HBO, who paid a

926
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:32,119
lot of money. By the time, remember when they started

927
00:42:32,159 --> 00:42:34,719
off the first fights boxing after dark, and it became

928
00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,079
elevated in terms of the money and uh and and

929
00:42:37,159 --> 00:42:39,400
the amount of publicity and attention and marketing they gave

930
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:41,159
to it. Uh and it's one of the all time

931
00:42:41,159 --> 00:42:44,239
great trilogies. And as I've said many times before, it

932
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,480
was a It was a great privilege to be ringside

933
00:42:46,519 --> 00:42:48,599
for the second and third fight, And it was very

934
00:42:48,639 --> 00:42:50,559
unfortunate that I laid in dead with a fever and

935
00:42:50,599 --> 00:42:53,079
an ice pack on my head watching the first fight

936
00:42:53,119 --> 00:42:55,000
and the guests from my old apartment, my old townhouse,

937
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:57,199
sick as a dog, having a cance on my trip

938
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,920
about two days before I was supposed to go to

939
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,239
Connecticut to cover the first.

940
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 3: But wow, I do know that you've told us that before,

941
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,599
but still again for the ones that think that boxing

942
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,599
began in two thousand and seven, all the gin zeers

943
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:11,960
go back and watch this trilogy. And again, we're on

944
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:15,119
the anniversary of the second fight, all right, so we're

945
00:43:15,119 --> 00:43:18,159
gonna get Look. I know what's coming in the nostalgia,

946
00:43:18,199 --> 00:43:20,239
and I know we could be here for a month

947
00:43:20,280 --> 00:43:22,239
with what we're gonna talk about at the end, so

948
00:43:22,239 --> 00:43:23,599
I want to get there. We spent a lot of

949
00:43:23,599 --> 00:43:26,639
time on Mike Tyson. We've talked a lot about Tyson's

950
00:43:26,679 --> 00:43:30,320
historical career, and the anniversary of him winning the heavyweight

951
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,840
title for the first time should get mentioned and recognition

952
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,599
here on this pod. When we talked nostalgia, it was

953
00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:41,400
thirty eight years ago, Friday, November twenty second of nineteen

954
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:45,599
eighty six. Thirty eight years ago, kids, Mike Tyson became

955
00:43:45,679 --> 00:43:48,320
heavyweight champ, and he just fought a Kaid last week.

956
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 1: I was just gonna say that, like the fact that

957
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:53,000
we could be sitting here talking about, Yeah, the recollections

958
00:43:53,079 --> 00:43:56,280
of when Iron Mike Tyson became an age twenty, the

959
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:57,519
youngest heavyweight champion.

960
00:43:57,559 --> 00:44:00,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Hey, I told of guys that when

961
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:04,280
they showed the clip of him knocking Burbick down leading

962
00:44:04,360 --> 00:44:06,960
up to the Tyson Paul fight. On the broadcast, I

963
00:44:07,039 --> 00:44:09,719
said to the guys that were around us, that's nineteen

964
00:44:09,920 --> 00:44:13,719
eighty six, Yeah, eighty six, that that happened thirty eight

965
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:17,480
years ago, and you were echo, Yeah.

966
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: We're a few days removed from him having just fought again,

967
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:22,800
I know, fifteen years old, and so that means, like,

968
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,320
you know, when he fought the title against bourbk, he

969
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,039
had been approp for what about two years, So the

970
00:44:28,079 --> 00:44:31,199
span of his career is like forty years between the

971
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:34,320
debut and the FRIS kind of crazy because he was,

972
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:39,400
you know, eighteen nineteeny pro and he's fifty eight years old.

973
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:41,599
So the fact that it was almost to the day

974
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,639
when he won the title. But listen, when he won

975
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:45,639
the title, man, I don't care. You know, if you're

976
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,239
guy a guy gall that never watched boxing back then,

977
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:50,079
you have to have seen the highlight. The knockout is

978
00:44:50,079 --> 00:44:52,639
one of the most spectacular knockouts in boxing history. He

979
00:44:52,639 --> 00:44:55,920
is certainly the most memorable. Started basically what was a

980
00:44:55,960 --> 00:45:00,000
new era in boxing because it wiped away the remnants

981
00:45:00,079 --> 00:45:02,760
of the of what had been the previous like post

982
00:45:03,280 --> 00:45:07,360
Larry Holmes domination of the heavyweight division where you know,

983
00:45:07,440 --> 00:45:11,679
he was still hanging around, but the way the belts

984
00:45:11,800 --> 00:45:15,480
straighted hands with the Greg Page and the Tony Tubbs

985
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:17,800
and the Tony Tucker and the and this guy had

986
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,440
the belton and Burbick had the belt, and you know,

987
00:45:20,519 --> 00:45:20,880
there was.

988
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:24,199
Speaker 2: Who was going to be the next grade heavyweight but

989
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:26,039
this was here you go.

990
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so this was part of what was that

991
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:32,679
HBO tournament to crown the undisputed champion and and when

992
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:35,280
Tyson won the fight, you pretty much and it was

993
00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:37,679
kind of a tournament created for Tyson basically because he

994
00:45:37,760 --> 00:45:40,280
was getting so much attention from HBO, and you know,

995
00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:43,719
it was very fast becoming a fan favorite and a

996
00:45:44,079 --> 00:45:48,559
big time mainstream boxing star. But the knock out of Burbick,

997
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:52,000
who was making his first defense, uh, in this fight,

998
00:45:52,519 --> 00:45:54,880
and there was a few people at the time maybe

999
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:56,679
he might be able to confuse Tyson, going to give

1000
00:45:56,760 --> 00:45:58,119
him some boxing. You know, I kind of had a

1001
00:45:58,119 --> 00:46:00,880
good reach and showed some toughness in this fighter that fight,

1002
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:03,400
Not that it mattered for that much, but in terms

1003
00:46:03,440 --> 00:46:06,880
of the name recognition, he of course retired Mohamad Ali finally,

1004
00:46:07,119 --> 00:46:09,960
so it's really the bridge. You know, he's the guy

1005
00:46:10,000 --> 00:46:11,960
that was the last in the ring against Ali, but

1006
00:46:11,960 --> 00:46:13,800
then he lost the title of the Tyson. So he

1007
00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:16,360
fought the two most iconic fighters in the history of

1008
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:19,559
the sport, and you know, unfortunately was murdered many many

1009
00:46:19,639 --> 00:46:22,920
years later in a pretty horrible situation with a machete death.

1010
00:46:23,599 --> 00:46:26,000
Just not a good situation at all. But on this

1011
00:46:26,199 --> 00:46:30,320
night he was as we discussed often TJ, he was

1012
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,880
the bug to Mike Tyson's windshield because that that you know,

1013
00:46:34,000 --> 00:46:36,360
as we joke, it was one hook that knocked him

1014
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,960
out three times because he got up, he fell down,

1015
00:46:39,199 --> 00:46:41,320
he got up, he fell down, he got up, he

1016
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,679
fell down, and he was like a fish out of

1017
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:43,920
water though he was plopping around the.

1018
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,559
Speaker 3: Ring and it did not look like that violent of

1019
00:46:46,559 --> 00:46:49,840
a punch, but it was waters short right on the

1020
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:54,679
temple and that and then line from Barry Tompkins just

1021
00:46:54,719 --> 00:46:56,719
like what you have on the rundown on the HBO

1022
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:59,239
call for all Time is and we have a new

1023
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:00,239
era in box.

1024
00:47:00,239 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: And Mary Tompkins was right, absolutely.

1025
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,599
Speaker 3: Yeah for Tyson for the next really three and a

1026
00:47:05,639 --> 00:47:07,840
half years until Buster Douglass got in front of him

1027
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:09,840
in Totio was such a menacing force.

1028
00:47:10,119 --> 00:47:12,639
Speaker 1: He broke the record as the youngest champion set by

1029
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:15,239
Floyd Patterson, who was twenty one years almost twenty two

1030
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:18,719
years old. He was twenty one years and eleven months

1031
00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:22,320
when Patterson won the title. Tyson obviously was twenty in change.

1032
00:47:23,039 --> 00:47:25,679
And the thing of that it was, you know, cust

1033
00:47:25,679 --> 00:47:29,039
To Motto, who was Mike's trainer and mentor and adoptive father,

1034
00:47:29,199 --> 00:47:31,159
you know, would basically rescue him out of the boys home.

1035
00:47:31,199 --> 00:47:33,039
And you know, we all know the story of how

1036
00:47:33,039 --> 00:47:36,039
that came to me, took him to Catskill. He had

1037
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:37,880
the prophecy that this was going to be the youngest

1038
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:40,760
heavyweight champion in boxing. Obviously, you know, he didn't live

1039
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,239
long enough to see it. He died about a year

1040
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:46,039
or so before of pneumonia before Tyson won the title.

1041
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,000
But you know, the old man's prophecy came true. And

1042
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,840
if you remember when I did the podcast with Mike

1043
00:47:51,079 --> 00:47:53,719
before he went in the ring against Jake Paul, I

1044
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,599
asked him, I said, you know, what would what would

1045
00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:59,280
Cussin thought to see here you are coming out of

1046
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,920
retirement twenty years later to have another fight. And he

1047
00:48:01,960 --> 00:48:04,679
said that cuss would have loved it because his opinion

1048
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,199
was always it was more mental than physical for fighters,

1049
00:48:07,199 --> 00:48:09,239
and if you had the right mentality you could still

1050
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,119
fight at a high level. I mean, it didn't come

1051
00:48:11,159 --> 00:48:12,920
the past in terms of the way Mike performed against

1052
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:16,519
Jake Paul, But I don't know. I feel like the

1053
00:48:16,599 --> 00:48:18,559
fact that we could go from a few days ago

1054
00:48:18,599 --> 00:48:22,000
talking about Tyson age fifty eight, you know, looking the

1055
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,519
way he did against a novice like Jake Paul, and

1056
00:48:24,599 --> 00:48:28,320
here we are now discussing the nostalgia and the anniversary

1057
00:48:28,480 --> 00:48:30,280
of thirty eight years ago when he became the youngest

1058
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:34,239
heavyweight champion. That he's still around in our minds and

1059
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:38,199
a part of the boxing current situation is mind boggling

1060
00:48:38,239 --> 00:48:38,440
to me.

1061
00:48:39,239 --> 00:48:41,679
Speaker 3: And again I say this like every time we bring

1062
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:45,679
these anniversaries up and talk about the late eighties unless

1063
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,679
you lived it like Ray Phil and I did. And

1064
00:48:47,719 --> 00:48:50,719
we're not being get off my lawn guy talking about

1065
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:54,000
the modern guys and the differences or whatever. But say

1066
00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:58,679
whatever you want about Deontay Wilder's knockout power, his level

1067
00:48:58,679 --> 00:49:01,039
of competition, about Anthony Josh should win all of his wins,

1068
00:49:01,079 --> 00:49:04,639
Tyson Fury his wins, Alexander usik now and his wins,

1069
00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:09,679
Tyson looked invincible, indestructible, and almost every one of his

1070
00:49:09,760 --> 00:49:12,400
opponents up until Buster Douglass looked so intimidated.

1071
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,679
Speaker 2: It was a matter of when are they going to

1072
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:15,400
get knocked out?

1073
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 3: It seemed like you can't convey enough, Dan just one

1074
00:49:18,760 --> 00:49:19,320
more time.

1075
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,599
Speaker 2: He looked indestructible.

1076
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 3: Eighty six, eighty seven, eighty eight, that's what Mike Tyson looked.

1077
00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, listen when he yeah, yeah, when he Now, this

1078
00:49:29,639 --> 00:49:31,719
is not the anniversary we're talking about. But a while

1079
00:49:31,760 --> 00:49:36,239
after he'd beat Berbick several fights later, the end game,

1080
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:39,000
if you will, of this HBO tournament was for him

1081
00:49:39,000 --> 00:49:41,639
to fight Michael Spinx. Michael, you know, there was a

1082
00:49:41,679 --> 00:49:43,880
detour there. He had kind of gone out of the tournament,

1083
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,920
fought Jerry Cooney instead. Anyway, without getting all into all

1084
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,880
the menu shove what happened Finally and eventually they met,

1085
00:49:49,880 --> 00:49:51,719
and everybody knows that Mike knocked him out in ninety

1086
00:49:51,719 --> 00:49:53,719
one seconds with a massive shot, and that was the

1087
00:49:53,800 --> 00:49:55,920
end of the story. And he became not only he

1088
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:57,840
already was undisputed because he had the belts, but he

1089
00:49:57,880 --> 00:49:59,920
also began to lineal be the Spinx had been strip

1090
00:50:00,159 --> 00:50:04,760
of the no surprise by the IBF in any event

1091
00:50:06,559 --> 00:50:09,679
for him to have done what he did against Spinks.

1092
00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,840
After that fight, I remember if you go back, you

1093
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:14,840
can find that on YouTube. HBO showed the rebroadcast, you know,

1094
00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:17,360
the replay, and since the fight was only ninety one seconds,

1095
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:19,199
it didn't really take a long time to show the fight.

1096
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:21,079
But when the fight was over, they had a panel

1097
00:50:21,119 --> 00:50:24,840
of like top boxing journalists along with Larry Merchant from HBO,

1098
00:50:25,320 --> 00:50:29,199
and they were having a serious conversation among people like

1099
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:32,679
Michael Katz and Phil Berger and like you know the

1100
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:34,639
top boxing guys of that day that.

1101
00:50:34,639 --> 00:50:36,559
Speaker 2: Wallie Matthews was on that panel too.

1102
00:50:36,480 --> 00:50:40,519
Speaker 1: In the daily newspapers. Yeah, right, So these were serious

1103
00:50:40,559 --> 00:50:43,760
minded journalists and they're having like a real discussion. Is

1104
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:46,239
Mike Tyson the greatest heavyweight of all time? And they

1105
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,719
were talking about him in the same conversation as Muhammad

1106
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:53,400
Ali and Joe Lewis, obviously, Jacan Marsando, Jack Johnson, whoever

1107
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:57,400
you want to talk about Jack Dempsey obviously on that

1108
00:50:57,599 --> 00:51:00,519
night and the nights lad he had against Bourbiic and

1109
00:51:00,599 --> 00:51:02,360
others along the way through the course of.

1110
00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:06,159
Speaker 2: Those nin right, Petelon Thomas, who he destroyed.

1111
00:51:06,400 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: He was a phenomenal destroyer. It just did the you know,

1112
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:13,119
it was more like a comet than it was like

1113
00:51:13,159 --> 00:51:18,239
a long lasting situation. But on the ninety knockout Trevor Burbick, Uh,

1114
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:20,239
he was exciting and as you said, ushered in a

1115
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:23,000
new era and he went on a destructive run for

1116
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:25,400
the next couple of years where he was fighting on

1117
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:29,719
a frequent basis and drawing gigantic ratings for HBO and

1118
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,719
bringing an enormous amounts of money. And he was the

1119
00:51:33,719 --> 00:51:36,559
biggest thing in sports period. I mean, you could go

1120
00:51:36,559 --> 00:51:38,280
anywhere in the world and people would recognize him.

1121
00:51:38,280 --> 00:51:41,679
Speaker 3: It was like ali yep, all right, one more quick piece,

1122
00:51:42,039 --> 00:51:44,079
Julio saysar Chavez nostalgia.

1123
00:51:44,159 --> 00:51:46,679
Speaker 2: This is also in the same timeframe.

1124
00:51:46,719 --> 00:51:49,760
Speaker 3: It's the following year, November twenty first, which is Thursday

1125
00:51:49,800 --> 00:51:53,440
as we're doing this. Nineteen eighty seven, thirty seven years ago,

1126
00:51:54,039 --> 00:51:57,320
Julio saysar Chavez moved up to lightweight and put it

1127
00:51:57,360 --> 00:52:02,119
on El Chopo Edward Rozari, stopping him in the eleventh round,

1128
00:52:02,159 --> 00:52:05,199
winning the WBA lightweight title. Here we go with the

1129
00:52:05,199 --> 00:52:08,320
whole Mexico Puerto Rico thing again that we always talk about,

1130
00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:13,840
and Rayfaeld believes this might be Chavez's most complete and

1131
00:52:14,000 --> 00:52:17,719
finest performance that night. What else do you have to

1132
00:52:17,760 --> 00:52:20,360
say about that from nineteen eighty seven.

1133
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:24,519
Speaker 1: I think that's a very good, reasonable discussion to have, because, okay,

1134
00:52:24,599 --> 00:52:27,719
he had been that the WBC champion at one hundred

1135
00:52:27,760 --> 00:52:30,360
and thirty pounds. His time was done in that weight class.

1136
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,199
He was moving up to one thirty five. Rosario was

1137
00:52:33,239 --> 00:52:36,920
a really good champion at that time. It was a

1138
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,400
big Mexico Puerto Rico was you know, Mexico versus pert

1139
00:52:39,480 --> 00:52:41,360
Rico wasn't as big then as it became, but it

1140
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,639
was still sort of a big deal. They're fighting at

1141
00:52:43,679 --> 00:52:46,320
the outdoor arena at the at the Las Vegas Hilton

1142
00:52:46,599 --> 00:52:49,280
back in the day, big time HBO main event, don

1143
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,000
King show. You know, he had all the names. Richard

1144
00:52:51,039 --> 00:52:53,280
Steele's doing the referee job. I mean it was a

1145
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,559
pretty significant, big time fight. Rosario was making a second

1146
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:01,719
title defense and Chavez just went in there and put

1147
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,559
it on him. I mean put it on him, beat

1148
00:53:04,639 --> 00:53:08,760
him down, bloodied him, just battered him. I mean, this

1149
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,119
was an offensive minded fighter in in Rosaria, who landed

1150
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:14,079
some good shots also, but just couldn't you know, chav

1151
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:16,920
Has just walked him down and banged him around for

1152
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,480
the whole fight, just right on the money, just like

1153
00:53:20,519 --> 00:53:23,440
a machine. It is so amazing to watch, and I

1154
00:53:23,480 --> 00:53:25,480
do think that if you look at the at the

1155
00:53:25,559 --> 00:53:29,480
long resume of julioseser Chabz, obviously you can he fought

1156
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,000
a lot of bums and the Tijana taxi cab drivers,

1157
00:53:32,039 --> 00:53:34,480
as Greg Hogan used to joke around about, but he

1158
00:53:34,519 --> 00:53:36,199
can really take a look at the at the big

1159
00:53:36,239 --> 00:53:38,920
time meaningful fights where he was winning titles, or the

1160
00:53:38,960 --> 00:53:41,239
big names he was defending against, or you know, the

1161
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:45,000
miracle fight against Meldrick Taylor, which was a massive win,

1162
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:47,519
but maybe not his greatest performance because he was getting

1163
00:53:47,519 --> 00:53:48,199
his ass kick from most.

1164
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was being dominated for the first eight nine

1165
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:51,079
rounds of that fight.

1166
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 1: But if you take a look at what he did

1167
00:53:53,519 --> 00:53:56,280
against Rosario, who was a really really good fighter, now

1168
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,079
Chabas at this time, it's like fifty six and a

1169
00:53:58,119 --> 00:54:00,559
zero or something like that going into the fight, and

1170
00:54:01,960 --> 00:54:04,280
it was a beautiful performance if you're a job as

1171
00:54:04,280 --> 00:54:07,400
a person, because this was as complete as a guess

1172
00:54:07,440 --> 00:54:10,880
I'm not sure what else he could have done. He boxed,

1173
00:54:10,920 --> 00:54:14,159
he punched, he just walked him down. He destroyed him,

1174
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:16,679
he battered him, he banged him around. Verzeo showed a

1175
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,079
good heart, but at the end of the day, he

1176
00:54:19,199 --> 00:54:21,559
just took way too much. And then finally in round eleven,

1177
00:54:21,880 --> 00:54:23,840
the corner had seen enough and threw in the towel.

1178
00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:26,880
And this was his first win at lightweight, as you know,

1179
00:54:26,880 --> 00:54:29,639
getting a world title thenweight division, and went on to

1180
00:54:29,679 --> 00:54:32,400
defend that title and obviously moved up into the one

1181
00:54:32,440 --> 00:54:34,119
hundred and forty pound weight class, where he won another

1182
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:36,280
title and had a huge amount of success or also,

1183
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:39,559
this was like, I think the fight where you kind

1184
00:54:39,559 --> 00:54:42,480
of got the idea that you could see job as

1185
00:54:42,480 --> 00:54:44,880
being number one pound per pound, And I know that

1186
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:49,679
when you know, people watched the Rosario fight, they were

1187
00:54:49,719 --> 00:54:51,639
a lot of boxing people. And I've not that I

1188
00:54:51,719 --> 00:54:53,559
know this because I didn't cover this obviously, but I've

1189
00:54:53,599 --> 00:54:55,920
talked to a lot of people through the years about

1190
00:54:55,920 --> 00:55:01,000
it because I've always been sort of interested in the

1191
00:55:01,039 --> 00:55:03,239
evolution of chav is going from being sort of like

1192
00:55:03,239 --> 00:55:05,079
a well kept secret a lot of people that know

1193
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:07,960
to start getting the exposure on HBO and now fighting

1194
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:10,320
in front of American audiences in the United States as

1195
00:55:10,320 --> 00:55:12,920
well as on American television. But this was the fight

1196
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:14,719
in the minds of a lot of people that really

1197
00:55:14,800 --> 00:55:16,719
changed him from being like, you know, let's call him

1198
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:19,960
a regional Mexican fighter with the occasional appearance in the

1199
00:55:20,639 --> 00:55:23,480
American market, because he had not really fought. He'd fought

1200
00:55:23,519 --> 00:55:26,559
some good names before that, like he fought Rocky Lockridge,

1201
00:55:26,559 --> 00:55:29,360
maybe in Juan Laporte, like guys that had good names

1202
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:31,440
and all that, and then defended the one hundred and

1203
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,320
thirty pound title against but was really not that well

1204
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,000
known to the US audience. Now suddenly he goes in

1205
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:40,079
against Rosario, moving up in the next weight class, and

1206
00:55:40,199 --> 00:55:44,159
has this spectacular performance and does the job. And from

1207
00:55:44,199 --> 00:55:47,239
then on out, I think people really took quite seriously

1208
00:55:48,119 --> 00:55:51,000
this is a force to be reckoned with. And we saw,

1209
00:55:51,519 --> 00:55:53,159
you know, what he did down the road where he'd

1210
00:55:53,199 --> 00:55:56,000
beat guys like Roger Mayweather. Obviously he had the miracle

1211
00:55:56,039 --> 00:55:58,440
against Meldred Taylor, and you know, so on and so

1212
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:00,199
forth as he moved up and beat a lot of

1213
00:56:00,280 --> 00:56:05,239
good guys along the way, top contenders, and you know, Ultimately.

1214
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:08,519
Speaker 2: He is regarded as the greatest Mexican champion.

1215
00:56:09,079 --> 00:56:12,920
Speaker 1: These major pay per views against people a Camacho, Yeah,

1216
00:56:13,079 --> 00:56:14,760
I mean, he thought that Kamacho fight was a mega fight.

1217
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,360
He had to fight in Mexico. He went home and

1218
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:18,599
defend this is at one forty against Hagan and drew

1219
00:56:18,599 --> 00:56:20,599
the biggest crowd in the history of boxing, one hundred

1220
00:56:20,599 --> 00:56:23,800
and thirty two thousand plus at the state the Estadios

1221
00:56:23,880 --> 00:56:26,480
Teca in in Mexico City. I mean. And then of

1222
00:56:26,480 --> 00:56:28,840
course the Pernel Whitaker fight. You know, at that point

1223
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,679
he's way deep into his career at that point to

1224
00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:34,480
draw highly controversial, but on the night he defeated and

1225
00:56:34,519 --> 00:56:38,000
destroyed by eleventh round knockout Edwin Rosario. I don't know

1226
00:56:38,039 --> 00:56:40,159
if he was ever better than he was on that night.

1227
00:56:41,400 --> 00:56:42,079
Speaker 2: I am with him.

1228
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,840
Speaker 1: It's always fun to go back when you see a

1229
00:56:44,880 --> 00:56:46,880
great fighter. And I've done this with other fighters. I

1230
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:51,000
think about it with like guys I've covered Klitchko, pac Yeo, Hopkins, Floyd,

1231
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,960
et cetera. And you look down there when their career

1232
00:56:54,000 --> 00:56:56,920
is over with, you can sort of figure out where

1233
00:56:57,039 --> 00:57:00,519
was this guy at his absolute peak, Because it's hard

1234
00:57:00,559 --> 00:57:03,199
to say when it's happening. But when you look at Chavaz,

1235
00:57:03,280 --> 00:57:05,119
I think that you can say that he was never

1236
00:57:05,159 --> 00:57:07,320
better than against Rosaria. The same way when I think

1237
00:57:07,320 --> 00:57:09,719
of guys I covered, like I always think of Pacio,

1238
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:11,679
I don't know if he was ever better than on

1239
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:14,599
the night he beat either Miguel cod Or or Antonio Margarito,

1240
00:57:14,840 --> 00:57:16,639
Like there was never going to be a better night.

1241
00:57:16,679 --> 00:57:19,360
And you can look down in the list of plenty

1242
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,800
of fighters that were in that same in that same

1243
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:23,599
era and figure that out too, And so I find

1244
00:57:23,639 --> 00:57:26,000
that to be very interesting, and I sort of think

1245
00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,079
about that stuff all the time. Unfortunately, that's how I'm wired.

1246
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:29,519
Speaker 2: I understand.

1247
00:57:29,599 --> 00:57:34,239
Speaker 3: But he was amazing Chavez at the mid eighties, late

1248
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:36,119
eighties and even into the early nineties.

1249
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,920
Speaker 1: And you'll know mej I did post on my social

1250
00:57:40,000 --> 00:57:44,199
media the picture of my beautiful and quite scarce site

1251
00:57:44,239 --> 00:57:45,400
poster from that fight today.

1252
00:57:45,480 --> 00:57:48,840
Speaker 3: Look at that on the thirty seventh anniversary, which is today,

1253
00:57:48,840 --> 00:57:52,760
November twenty first, Also November twenty first, nineteen seventy six.

1254
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,280
And look, we've been here a while again. We could

1255
00:57:55,280 --> 00:58:00,639
go on until Thanksgiving. About Rocky the original right being

1256
00:58:00,719 --> 00:58:05,840
released in theaters now forty eight years ago, nineteen seventy six,

1257
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:10,679
November twenty one of nineteen seventy six. And let's just

1258
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:16,960
say this it obviously it was, I mean, Sylvester Stallone

1259
00:58:17,000 --> 00:58:20,519
was an unknown period, he was an unknown. But it

1260
00:58:20,559 --> 00:58:23,159
did not take long in the couple of weeks around

1261
00:58:23,239 --> 00:58:26,639
this movie for it to catch hold of what kind

1262
00:58:26,679 --> 00:58:30,199
of story it was with Stallone as kind of the

1263
00:58:30,280 --> 00:58:35,679
everyman underdog fighting the Muhammad Ali sque character of Apollo

1264
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:38,920
Creed played by the late Carl weathers Now. But this,

1265
00:58:39,079 --> 00:58:42,960
I mean, by the time Thanksgiving became Christmas, this movie

1266
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,840
had electrified Hollywood and the country and eventually won the

1267
00:58:47,880 --> 00:58:52,519
Academy Award for Best Picture, and it launched, obviously the

1268
00:58:52,599 --> 00:58:55,519
franchise of the Rocky movies. It made Stallone into the

1269
00:58:55,559 --> 00:58:58,440
megastar that he became in a few years in and

1270
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:03,480
around this and continued for decades now. So wow, wow

1271
00:59:03,519 --> 00:59:06,800
that we go back to nineteen seventy six, Dan Rayphield

1272
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:08,280
and the debut of Rocky.

1273
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 1: Between the music and the story which Stallonis talked about

1274
00:59:14,599 --> 00:59:18,199
was sort of based on having watched Chuck Webner go

1275
00:59:18,280 --> 00:59:20,840
the Distance with Muhammad Ali was about going that it

1276
00:59:20,880 --> 00:59:23,280
was like there was an uplifting element that even though

1277
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:27,199
the character that was the main character didn't win, he

1278
00:59:27,239 --> 00:59:29,239
won for losing, if that makes sense, because he went

1279
00:59:29,320 --> 00:59:31,519
the distance, you know, as a guy that was given

1280
00:59:31,559 --> 00:59:35,280
no chance, which was the story of Rocky Balbo against

1281
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,639
Apollo Creed the Champion. The in the fight obviously they

1282
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:41,199
had you know, you'd think, you know, if you're going

1283
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,559
to create the ending, you know the guy's going to

1284
00:59:43,639 --> 00:59:46,159
win the fight. But that's what was so cool in

1285
00:59:46,199 --> 00:59:48,320
retrospect about the way they did the Rocky movie is

1286
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:50,599
that he didn't win, but it's still set up obviously

1287
00:59:50,639 --> 00:59:52,960
the rematch that took place in the second fight where

1288
00:59:52,960 --> 00:59:54,400
we all know he won the fight. Not to do

1289
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:58,239
any spoilers for a movie that's so almost fifty years old, right,

1290
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,400
but you know, a really simple story when you think

1291
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,559
about it, but somebody had to do it, and they

1292
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:06,039
did a brilliant job at it, and like you said,

1293
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:09,000
it won the Academy Award for Best Picture one I

1294
01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,599
think other awards as well. Stallone not only was a star,

1295
01:00:11,679 --> 01:00:15,760
but he also wrote it and and obviously yeah started

1296
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:18,280
it made you know, didn't didn't give up his rights

1297
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:20,599
to it, so he made not just a fee maybe

1298
01:00:20,599 --> 01:00:23,320
for uh, you know, doing the acting and the writing,

1299
01:00:23,360 --> 01:00:25,840
but you know, owned a good portion of the franchise

1300
01:00:25,880 --> 01:00:31,039
and became, you know, a huge wealthy Hollywood actor, and

1301
01:00:31,480 --> 01:00:33,079
you know, and obviously he was in lots of other

1302
01:00:33,559 --> 01:00:37,800
big time film series, Rambo and and other movies that

1303
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,840
he started, but Rocky really started. I mean, just an

1304
01:00:40,880 --> 01:00:43,639
awesome movie. Now, you and I and I and others

1305
01:00:43,639 --> 01:00:46,119
have all the time discussed how although I love the movie,

1306
01:00:47,119 --> 01:00:49,079
for me, it's not the best one of the series.

1307
01:00:49,239 --> 01:00:51,320
I am partial, and I've said it thousands of times.

1308
01:00:51,559 --> 01:00:54,719
To me, Number one is Rocky three. That's my It's

1309
01:00:54,719 --> 01:00:56,679
my jam, as they say. But Rocky one is a

1310
01:00:56,679 --> 01:00:58,599
great fucking film also, and.

1311
01:00:58,599 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 2: I always have to correct you. It's not Rocky one.

1312
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:02,960
It's just Rocky.

1313
01:01:03,159 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 1: I know that, but I'm saying that for the purpose.

1314
01:01:05,000 --> 01:01:08,239
Speaker 3: So you go Rocky, you go Rocky two, Rocky three.

1315
01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:09,719
It's not known as Rocky one.

1316
01:01:10,760 --> 01:01:13,159
Speaker 2: I will tell you. I think I've shared this before.

1317
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:16,599
I even remember. I am a six year old TJ.

1318
01:01:17,400 --> 01:01:21,199
And this is right around Christmas time, probably a month

1319
01:01:21,360 --> 01:01:25,039
in to the movie being out. My family went to

1320
01:01:25,119 --> 01:01:27,800
the drive in movie theater and Rayphael I don't know

1321
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:30,039
if you remember going to the drive in any part. Sure,

1322
01:01:30,360 --> 01:01:33,519
I'm little, my sister is little, and my father says,

1323
01:01:33,519 --> 01:01:36,920
you're probably gonna go to sleep, but you're gonna see

1324
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:39,920
and hear some things that we don't necessarily want you

1325
01:01:39,960 --> 01:01:41,880
to see and hear. Because you're in the car while

1326
01:01:41,880 --> 01:01:44,440
we're going and doing this, they're gonna say words we

1327
01:01:44,480 --> 01:01:48,920
don't want you to say. And I vividly remember him

1328
01:01:48,920 --> 01:01:51,800
telling me that. But I remember being wide eyed watching

1329
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:55,800
the training scenes and then the fight with.

1330
01:01:57,679 --> 01:01:59,360
Speaker 1: You know you wanted to go a you wanted to

1331
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,440
crack egg and drink them? He did you know you

1332
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:05,039
wanted to go down to your local butcher shopping and

1333
01:02:05,039 --> 01:02:06,960
and punch the side of beef with.

1334
01:02:07,039 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 3: A great line from Tony Burton, the actor that plays

1335
01:02:10,559 --> 01:02:13,440
Duke when he's watching the Black and White TV and

1336
01:02:13,480 --> 01:02:16,920
that is a real reporter from a real Philadelphia TV

1337
01:02:17,079 --> 01:02:20,840
station that they got to come. I believe Philadelphia, but

1338
01:02:20,880 --> 01:02:22,719
it may have been LA. They were pretending that it

1339
01:02:22,760 --> 01:02:26,960
was Philadelphia because the sportscaster is Jim Hill of the

1340
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:31,079
Los Angeles famous sportscaster. But she's in the meat locker

1341
01:02:31,119 --> 01:02:34,599
with him hitting the meat, and she eventually just says

1342
01:02:35,400 --> 01:02:39,159
Rocky Balboa, heavyweight contender in the meat locker, and Tony

1343
01:02:39,199 --> 01:02:42,519
Burton the actor. It's a great line from Stallone says Champ.

1344
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:44,639
You better get in here and look at the guy

1345
01:02:44,719 --> 01:02:48,239
you're fighting because he sees him hitting the frozen meat

1346
01:02:48,480 --> 01:02:52,320
hanging the meat locker and thanks, I mean, is not.

1347
01:02:52,519 --> 01:02:53,599
Speaker 2: Going to Joe.

1348
01:02:53,840 --> 01:02:56,920
Speaker 1: Besides Rocky, the rest of the crew in the in

1349
01:02:56,960 --> 01:03:01,719
the film are so well defined. A you mentioned Pauli,

1350
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:02,199
the you.

1351
01:03:02,119 --> 01:03:05,280
Speaker 2: Know, the brother of in law, a benchal brother in law.

1352
01:03:05,079 --> 01:03:08,519
Speaker 1: Apollo, and Tony, and obviously Mickey the trainer, the old

1353
01:03:08,800 --> 01:03:13,039
you know, curmudgeon, cliche trainer with the with the with

1354
01:03:13,079 --> 01:03:15,360
the hearing aid and the whole thing. Here, here's just

1355
01:03:15,400 --> 01:03:18,360
shows you the popularity of the movie. The budget. I

1356
01:03:18,400 --> 01:03:19,679
looked this up because I knew we were going to

1357
01:03:19,719 --> 01:03:21,480
talk about this, so I went on like the Wikipedia,

1358
01:03:21,480 --> 01:03:23,800
and I checked this out. The budget to make the

1359
01:03:23,800 --> 01:03:26,159
movie in the first place, to make Rocky, not Rocky one,

1360
01:03:26,199 --> 01:03:28,559
but Rocky thank you. One point one.

1361
01:03:28,559 --> 01:03:32,079
Speaker 2: Million dollars one point one one point one Now, which

1362
01:03:32,400 --> 01:03:35,119
if you went modern day inflation and you multiplied that

1363
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,920
times for my public school education tells me that's a

1364
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:39,199
four million dollar movie.

1365
01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,679
Speaker 1: But here's the thing. So in nineteen seventy six they

1366
01:03:41,719 --> 01:03:43,960
spent a little over a million dollars to make the film,

1367
01:03:44,239 --> 01:03:47,000
but the box office gross for the film was two

1368
01:03:47,079 --> 01:03:50,880
hundred and twenty five million. I mean, do you think

1369
01:03:50,880 --> 01:03:51,639
they got their money?

1370
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:55,159
Speaker 3: That's the reason why the executives it was universal writer MGM.

1371
01:03:55,199 --> 01:03:59,079
I can't remember which They came to stallone that holiday

1372
01:03:59,119 --> 01:04:02,440
season and said, now go right the second one because

1373
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:06,159
they saw what they had to go do this again

1374
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:10,800
and again and eventually again, and it became a fifth

1375
01:04:10,800 --> 01:04:13,440
one and a sixth one, and now is even morphed into.

1376
01:04:13,239 --> 01:04:16,239
Speaker 1: The crease it would And I'm I don't I'm convinced

1377
01:04:16,239 --> 01:04:19,159
of this fact. The franchise never would have been what

1378
01:04:19,239 --> 01:04:21,679
it was, as great as the film wasn't as awesome

1379
01:04:21,719 --> 01:04:23,960
as the story was. And and just the way that

1380
01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,880
they did the whole thing, the that iconic move, the

1381
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:32,000
music that that that gol Conti Road, which became like

1382
01:04:32,039 --> 01:04:34,039
a big top you know, it was a top forty

1383
01:04:34,119 --> 01:04:36,679
hit on the Yes, on the on the music.

1384
01:04:36,440 --> 01:04:39,039
Speaker 2: On the fly now the theme, the theme song, and

1385
01:04:39,599 --> 01:04:41,679
on the LP. I had it on a record player

1386
01:04:41,679 --> 01:04:43,360
playing it in my house to the point that my

1387
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:46,320
mother would say, would you shut that thing off? After

1388
01:04:46,360 --> 01:04:48,159
the time I played the movie.

1389
01:04:48,920 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: The company that did it was none of the ones

1390
01:04:50,480 --> 01:04:51,679
you said it was United Artists.

1391
01:04:51,760 --> 01:04:54,719
Speaker 3: United Artists no longer exists, right, But they're the ones

1392
01:04:54,760 --> 01:04:56,719
that came back to him and said, now go write

1393
01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:59,920
the second one, Go have go have another Go.

1394
01:05:00,199 --> 01:05:01,679
Speaker 2: Rocky is now forty.

1395
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:04,840
Speaker 1: I think also by the way, it was appealing to

1396
01:05:05,000 --> 01:05:06,920
the guys because it had the boxing stuff and the

1397
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:09,440
sports part in the macho stuff. Sure, but I think

1398
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:11,199
it was also appealing to a lot of women because

1399
01:05:11,199 --> 01:05:12,880
I had the love story of him fall of course

1400
01:05:13,159 --> 01:05:15,800
with Adrien and the whole court and everything.

1401
01:05:15,599 --> 01:05:18,719
Speaker 3: And he understood that that this is what's gonna hook

1402
01:05:18,800 --> 01:05:22,199
everybody in. I mean, when he's courting Adrian, she loved

1403
01:05:22,199 --> 01:05:24,079
to ice skate, and he's paying the ice skate guy

1404
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:25,880
to leave the ice skate rink open, and he's going

1405
01:05:25,920 --> 01:05:28,760
around on his flat feet while she's skating around. He's going,

1406
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you see this nose, his no never been broken. And

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then the end of the first round he says, he

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broke my nose. I mean, it's perfect.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I know, is that you can hold a movie

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for a million one and generate.

1411
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Speaker 2: In the world.

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Speaker 1: That's amazing.

1413
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:44,639
Speaker 2: That's known as return on investment.

1414
01:05:44,679 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 3: My first Sir rocky forty eight years ago as of Thursday,

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released in the theaters. I might have to go watch

1416
01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:55,679
it again. The tar pop quiz the turtles names the

1417
01:05:55,719 --> 01:05:57,960
turtles that he has in his in his apartment.

1418
01:05:58,519 --> 01:06:03,119
Speaker 2: I can't because and link. Yeah, the turtles were cuffing Link.

1419
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,239
Speaker 1: The dog, Dog, the dog, the dog but by the way.

1420
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Speaker 2: His real his real dog.

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Speaker 1: But CAUs to sell the dog to have like like

1422
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to have a to pay to have a place to stay.

1423
01:06:15,239 --> 01:06:17,920
But he kept the dog he had. That's how broke

1424
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:18,800
stallone was at that.

1425
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:20,280
Speaker 2: Yes, he wasn't broke.

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01:06:20,360 --> 01:06:22,920
Speaker 3: A few weeks later, after all of the money started

1427
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:25,840
coming in. Great stuff, all right, So we didn't have

1428
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a fight to go over this weekend. But we gave

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you news, we gave you nostalgia, and now tee it

1430
01:06:30,960 --> 01:06:34,760
up on Sunday because we don't have fights to really recap.

1431
01:06:35,079 --> 01:06:37,519
We got creative and you scored an interview that you

1432
01:06:37,519 --> 01:06:39,400
alluded to repeated again here he.

1433
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Speaker 1: Was not getting creative. I was going to do this anyway.

1434
01:06:41,280 --> 01:06:43,039
Is that I just felt like it was the perfect

1435
01:06:43,039 --> 01:06:45,599
time to talk to Eric Gomez, the president of Golden Boy.

1436
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They had just come off the fantastic show uh Latino

1437
01:06:48,920 --> 01:06:50,719
Knight in Saudi Arabia when a lot of their fighters

1438
01:06:51,000 --> 01:06:55,239
had important victories Or Ramirez, Oscar colaso uh Arnold Barbosa

1439
01:06:55,599 --> 01:06:57,880
and others, you know, Oscar d Wart. Anyway, we went

1440
01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:02,800
through the fights. Williams the paid of course, so we

1441
01:07:02,840 --> 01:07:05,519
went through those bouts on the show. We discussed his

1442
01:07:05,639 --> 01:07:08,039
thoughts on just doing an event in Saudi Arabia the

1443
01:07:08,039 --> 01:07:10,440
first time they'd done that. We discussed the fights, a

1444
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,760
lot of details on what is the plans, what are

1445
01:07:12,800 --> 01:07:16,000
the plans rather for the guy's next winners and some

1446
01:07:16,039 --> 01:07:18,760
of the losers, some other things related to Golden Boy,

1447
01:07:19,039 --> 01:07:21,320
some thoughts on the sale of the Ring magazine obviously,

1448
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:23,599
which was part of their portfolio that was sold to

1449
01:07:23,639 --> 01:07:26,280
Turkey al Sheik just around the time that that Latino

1450
01:07:26,360 --> 01:07:29,760
Night card was happening. So plenty of good media stuff

1451
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:32,280
in that interview that we'll play on Sunday Night.

1452
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Speaker 2: We have that for you.

1453
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:36,679
Speaker 3: I also talked with our colleague David Payne, the boxing

1454
01:07:36,679 --> 01:07:40,079
writer in England. Did this Jake Paul card resonate in

1455
01:07:40,159 --> 01:07:42,280
England and he's got a.

1456
01:07:42,239 --> 01:07:44,239
Speaker 2: Little more on Daniel Dubois, etc.

1457
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:47,119
Speaker 3: And also looking ahead to Sonny Edwards, which you and

1458
01:07:47,159 --> 01:07:50,800
I will be talking about as next week unfolds and

1459
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,840
it's Thanksgiving and we're nearing the end of the year.

1460
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:54,719
We still got you Sick Fury coming up and some

1461
01:07:54,760 --> 01:07:58,039
other interesting fights before we're done. Listen, my friend, have

1462
01:07:58,119 --> 01:08:01,119
a great weekend again for the audience. No bet Us

1463
01:08:01,239 --> 01:08:05,239
show because we don't really have important enough fights to handicap.

1464
01:08:05,239 --> 01:08:06,639
We'll take a week off from that on the bet

1465
01:08:06,719 --> 01:08:10,400
Us platforms. We'll be back with that after Thanksgiving. Damn Rayfield,

1466
01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,519
have a good week and we'll enjoy hearing your interview

1467
01:08:12,519 --> 01:08:15,840
with Eric Gomez on the pod feed along with my

1468
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:17,520
interview with David Payne off the weekend.

1469
01:08:17,640 --> 01:08:19,279
Speaker 2: I'll catch up with you more next week.

1470
01:08:19,279 --> 01:08:21,960
Speaker 3: And by the way, I am headed to New Jersey

1471
01:08:22,880 --> 01:08:25,359
East Ruther for New Jersey to be specific, my Tampa

1472
01:08:25,399 --> 01:08:30,159
Bay Buccaneers, you're New York Giants in the stupor Stupo

1473
01:08:30,359 --> 01:08:33,279
are the stuper Bowl. I think for this weekend, somebody's

1474
01:08:33,279 --> 01:08:37,640
gonna feel better now if my team loses to Tommy Cutlets,

1475
01:08:37,680 --> 01:08:41,239
the backup quarterback that's now in Tommy DeVito, that's now

1476
01:08:41,239 --> 01:08:44,520
in again here. I may have Rayfael come in in

1477
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:48,359
an emergency and do the postgame show after that on Sunday.

1478
01:08:48,359 --> 01:08:51,039
Speaker 1: Since we're looking at tank. We're looking at Tank every

1479
01:08:51,039 --> 01:08:52,760
game the rest of the season. We want the Hive

1480
01:08:52,880 --> 01:08:54,039
draft pick. We don't need to win.

1481
01:08:54,159 --> 01:08:56,520
Speaker 3: Let's send the Bucks have a faint hope at the playoffs,

1482
01:08:56,600 --> 01:08:57,640
but they got to start winning.

1483
01:08:57,640 --> 01:08:58,359
Speaker 2: So you and.

1484
01:08:58,279 --> 01:09:02,079
Speaker 3: I will anguish together on Sunday afternoon.

1485
01:09:02,079 --> 01:09:03,359
Speaker 2: I'll do it live, you'll do it watching.

1486
01:09:03,479 --> 01:09:05,159
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna anguish because I don't care at this.

1487
01:09:05,640 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 3: I understand well, I'll just go ahead and lay down

1488
01:09:07,439 --> 01:09:09,479
from my Buccaneers then to get back in the playoff picture.

1489
01:09:10,319 --> 01:09:14,159
In any event, good stuff here as always. Thank you,

1490
01:09:14,199 --> 01:09:15,680
my friend, and we look forward to hearing you with

1491
01:09:15,840 --> 01:09:18,239
Eric Gomez on the weekend coming offul weekend here on

1492
01:09:18,319 --> 01:09:18,880
Sunday night.

1493
01:09:19,600 --> 01:09:20,720
Speaker 2: I have a good rest of your weekend.

1494
01:09:20,760 --> 01:09:22,520
Speaker 1: Dan Ra Phil, thank you you too. Tjay.

1495
01:09:22,920 --> 01:09:26,800
Speaker 3: There you go plenty on this pod. Subscribe Apple, Spreaker, Spotify,

1496
01:09:26,840 --> 01:09:27,880
give us a five star.

1497
01:09:27,760 --> 01:09:28,880
Speaker 2: Review if you enjoy it.

1498
01:09:29,319 --> 01:09:31,720
Speaker 3: Even though we didn't have action that we necessarily previewed,

1499
01:09:31,720 --> 01:09:32,880
you got a lot on this podcast.

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01:09:32,920 --> 01:09:33,720
Speaker 2: You get the idea.

1501
01:09:34,359 --> 01:09:36,960
Speaker 3: It is the Big Fight weekend preview podcast feed again.

1502
01:09:37,039 --> 01:09:38,600
Speaker 2: We're back on Sunday Night.

1503
01:09:38,640 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 3: We're still here on Sunday Night, with content starting off

1504
01:09:41,000 --> 01:09:41,720
Thanksgiving week.

1505
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:42,920
Speaker 2: We'll talk to you then bye.