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Speaker 2: Episode number four hundred and nine, joined by Steven Deklan
Speaker 2: on a Thursday night, Steve, we're a little bit we've
Speaker 2: been caught on the hop a bit. I don't think
Speaker 2: we've had a Friday night game this year, which is
Speaker 2: suited the podcast teams, because if ever we couldn't get
Speaker 2: organized on a Wednesday, we had a bit of time
Speaker 2: up our sleeve, but not this week.
Speaker 3: Now we've got eight o'clock Friday night, we've got the
Speaker 3: we've got the Brisbane Broncos timeslot. So I don't know
Speaker 3: why they're not playing. They must have requested it. But Jeromes,
Speaker 3: Jerome's in apparently he's he's going to be playing, so
Speaker 3: it's all all systems go for an upsit against Canberra.
Speaker 2: They've probably got a buy, Steve. That's probably why they're
Speaker 2: not on Friday at day that would be right, I'd say, yeah, Jacklin,
Speaker 2: I really you know, I've got my theories on different things.
Speaker 2: But Friday eight pm I hate that time slot because
Speaker 2: if we lose in a nail biter, it's just going
Speaker 2: to put me in a horrible mood all weekend, at
Speaker 2: least Sunday, you know, the good part of the weekends
Speaker 2: almost over. So you depressed on Monday anyway, that's my theory.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know. I'm the opposite.
Speaker 5: I feel like there's something really depressing, but weeke it
Speaker 5: up on a Monday morning after getting flogged and then
Speaker 5: just that one second where you wake up and you
Speaker 5: remember what happened the night before.
Speaker 4: So I don't know. I think I'd rather just get
Speaker 4: to for a dune Worth.
Speaker 5: Earlier in the week weekend and then just recover on
Speaker 5: the Sunday.
Speaker 2: Obviously, we'll preview the game, we'll do rdies quiz and
Speaker 2: a little bit of chat just from some feedback from
Speaker 2: our podcast forum listeners about the crossover pods we did
Speaker 2: in the last week or so. But first, Steve one
Speaker 2: word for State of Origin last night.
Speaker 3: Well, as usual, I can't stick to one words I've
Speaker 3: got I've got two one. My first word, I've toned
Speaker 3: it back. I was going to say manufactured, but I've
Speaker 3: turned that, turned that down a little bit and said
Speaker 3: over officiated. You know, I just love Origin games when
Speaker 3: there's three or four penalties and the players are let
Speaker 3: play the game and they decide the game. And I
Speaker 3: just felt that was so over officiated last night.
Speaker 6: So that's one word.
Speaker 3: But the other one is in a smoke bugbear about
Speaker 3: Origin and the football season in general, and it's just
Speaker 3: drawn out. It's just on it every year. It's a
Speaker 3: sign that the nrow competition. And I'm only speaking from
Speaker 3: my own perspective, I just love the narrow competition. That's
Speaker 3: that's what I enjoy watching. And this just takes over
Speaker 3: and occupies all their space for far too long, in
Speaker 3: my opinion.
Speaker 6: Decline your word.
Speaker 5: I just missed opportunity because I actually can't believes lost
Speaker 5: that one.
Speaker 4: I mean like to like to tell the views.
Speaker 5: I didn't watch the second half because I was just
Speaker 5: kind of over after the first and I went to
Speaker 5: bed early. So I'm not going to pretend like I
Speaker 5: was an expert on the whole game, but just watching
Speaker 5: that first half just how like ill discipline news help
Speaker 5: folds were and just like they scored the first try,
Speaker 5: they look like they were going to go on with
Speaker 5: it and then just drop ball. Ill disciplined. Yes, like
Speaker 5: the rest. Obviously there was an element of the like
Speaker 5: being a little bit of pedantic, but I just thought
Speaker 5: the news it was really were massive opportunity to to
Speaker 5: seal it.
Speaker 4: But what can you do?
Speaker 5: And then you also found it was terrible. That really
Speaker 5: annoyed me see him out there knowing that, like he
Speaker 5: got picked on a trail made, But yeah, what can
Speaker 5: you do?
Speaker 2: Well, Steve, you know I'm a positive guy, So my
Speaker 2: word was just trash. I thought it was trash. The
Speaker 2: whole build up was nothing except for Billy Slater throwing
Speaker 2: a tantrum, which was bizarre. I thought the refereeing was
Speaker 2: awful and I thought it was manufactured. I think every team,
Speaker 2: Steve that's down one Nill, you'll findal win the penalty
Speaker 2: cout in a big way, because that's what the NRL want,
Speaker 2: and that's what I would want if I was running
Speaker 2: the NRL. You wanted the cider. Otherwise you've got a
Speaker 2: dead rubber in three weeks time and you've got to
Speaker 2: try and build that up. Good luck with that, you know, any.
Speaker 3: Of the build up. It's getting close at each time
Speaker 3: to a boxing build up, you know, where you just
Speaker 3: get these ridiculous barbs thrown across, you know, at each
Speaker 3: of us, just to try to hype up the fight
Speaker 3: and get the pay per views in. And it's starting
Speaker 3: to get a little bit like that, you know, like
Speaker 3: like if Billy Slater is so emotional just to need
Speaker 3: to say what he said about a comment that was
Speaker 3: nothing really, you know, coll when someone had grabbed me
Speaker 3: a big deal, but then to stage it at the
Speaker 3: official press conference on the eve of the game, it
Speaker 3: just stunk of. I don't know, I'll go back to
Speaker 3: my first word, manufactured.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I haven't finished with my trash Steve. I've
Speaker 2: got through the build up and the referee, but I'm
Speaker 2: also going to go both teams. I thought like New
Speaker 2: South Wales were poor like that game. They've got a
Speaker 2: far better side and obviously I think didn't help, but
Speaker 2: they also contributed to that that ten to one penalty count.
Speaker 2: But Queensland, like, what would you be thinking you win
Speaker 2: a penalty count ten to one and you've got outscored
Speaker 2: the only reason they won is because Zach Lomax couldn't
Speaker 2: kick a dog like I just thought they will get
Speaker 2: absolutely lapped in game three decline. I know there's the
Speaker 2: pressure of a game three. I don't even care to
Speaker 2: be honest, but I just think New South Wales are
Speaker 2: so superior and they were so far from their best one.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I mean it's crazy, isn't it. And that's kind of
Speaker 5: when you go into a game two. The motivation for
Speaker 5: the team that lost game one is always so much
Speaker 5: higher than the team that kind of has that safety
Speaker 5: in it, isn't it.
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 5: I'm just like, I'm not a bit different to everyone here.
Speaker 5: I think I actually do care about the origin. Do
Speaker 5: I think anyone else is a particular bugs fan of
Speaker 5: the Blazes here, But I do get invested in it,
Speaker 5: and I'm probably I'm a little bit nervous for game three,
Speaker 5: but I think that's only because you know, we've like
Speaker 5: we've been here before, we've lost those deciders and New
Speaker 5: Sephos as well. But I do agree with you, Eddie.
Speaker 5: I just think that like New Sefway was on paper,
Speaker 5: its just so much better. And if everyone's really fat
Speaker 5: there is like, really no excuse they should be winning
Speaker 5: the series. It should have it should have been a whitewash,
Speaker 5: to be honest, if all things are equal. But we
Speaker 5: are where we are well because.
Speaker 3: It's a pretty Gary's not with us tonight because he
Speaker 3: cares about origin probably as much as you do, a
Speaker 3: lot more than any and it's a pity he's not
Speaker 3: on the pod with us.
Speaker 2: Funny you say that, Steve, I was just quite ironic
Speaker 2: because I was mentioning five minutes ago Gary that you know,
Speaker 2: the POD's getting a little bit unprofessional, and we've been
Speaker 2: caught out by the fact it's a Monday game and
Speaker 2: we haven't released anything until Thursday night. And now you're
Speaker 2: taking another step further by joining in ten minutes into
Speaker 2: a podcast. Do you think that's acceptable? I'm not well.
Speaker 7: You guys always complain about me not giving you any
Speaker 7: space to talk. I thought i'd give you the first
Speaker 7: ten minutes and Steve could stop complaining about me talking too.
Speaker 3: Much any before before you while we're talking professionalists, Can
Speaker 3: I just give a shout out to Nick because I
Speaker 3: think we're out contractually obliged to give a shout out
Speaker 3: to Nick because they've.
Speaker 6: Got to be mentioned in every pod.
Speaker 3: Well, there was a lot of complaining on social media
Speaker 3: that he wasn't mentioned, which worried me until I realized
Speaker 3: it was all Nick.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm not a big Twitter man, but I have
Speaker 2: managed to sign up under an alias account the past
Speaker 2: few days. I'm like, Gary, I'm like what I used
Speaker 2: to do with Dan Laurie and that I'm stalking people
Speaker 2: on Twitter now and just you know, seeing what they
Speaker 2: say behind the scenes.
Speaker 6: From what I've seen, it's only you stalking Robert Sharyl
Speaker 6: though I think you guys are the best mates. Now.
Speaker 2: Alrighty leu eyes performance declan very hot in cold obviously
Speaker 2: put the first kick on the fall. I know you
Speaker 2: only watched the first half, but I guess the relief
Speaker 2: for Tigers fans is he didn't. He might have got charged,
Speaker 2: but there was It wasn't much in that hands in
Speaker 2: the face that happens every game.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 5: I think the opposite for you, And you know, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 5: usually defend Lo and these sorts of situations on the pod,
Speaker 5: but I was human out of them because I thought
Speaker 5: could have come down hyder on that.
Speaker 4: I don't think he actually I gauged them, but I think.
Speaker 5: He gave every opportunity for then are able to charge
Speaker 5: them with something like that. So I just thought it
Speaker 5: was it was terribly dumb, like it just came out
Speaker 5: of nowhere. It was so unnecessary, and I'm sure he
Speaker 5: was thing about is tame of when he did it,
Speaker 5: for he was like with the but just it would
Speaker 5: have just been an absolute disaster if you got robbed
Speaker 5: out for a few weeks.
Speaker 4: For I goas and when our.
Speaker 5: Season is just like on the lane, you need your
Speaker 5: captain to be smarter than that, and you know, like, yes,
Speaker 5: he has that kind of guy who pushes that to
Speaker 5: the edge. But that was just all and unnecessary and
Speaker 5: I'm actually a little bit surprised that he wasn't suspended
Speaker 5: for it.
Speaker 2: His short kicking game, Steve is elite. We've seen that
Speaker 2: in the past of Penrith and this year for us.
Speaker 2: But the two tries he set up were so deaf,
Speaker 2: those little short kicks, and I thought he looked good
Speaker 2: on that left hand side, looked really dangerous. He had
Speaker 2: some poor moments in the slippery conditions, but I think
Speaker 2: he's in pretty good nick.
Speaker 3: I think a bloke who plays the way Jerome Lew
Speaker 3: likes to play is going to have some errors in
Speaker 3: a game, you know where it's pelting down with rain
Speaker 3: the way it was. Also the Queensland line speed was
Speaker 3: pretty exceptional for a lot of things, especially in the
Speaker 3: first half anyway, which put him under a lot of pressure.
Speaker 3: I thought he, you know, he played fairly well. As
Speaker 3: you see. He did some great things. He had two
Speaker 3: try assists, he was heavily involved, but he also had
Speaker 3: some Jerome Lulo moments where he tried to do his
Speaker 3: own thing and nothing came of it. And it doesn't
Speaker 3: look real flash when that happens. But that's just the
Speaker 3: way he plays.
Speaker 2: He's going to play tomorrow night. Gary, Isn't he like
Speaker 2: he's too stubborn. I haven't heard Benji's press commence today,
Speaker 2: but apparently pretty much said, I'm getting on a flight
Speaker 2: regardless coach, I'm playing.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I've only seen written what Bendrick said, and he
Speaker 7: basically said, I'll tell you what he said.
Speaker 6: I'm good to go. I'm in.
Speaker 7: So I don't think there's any doubt that he'll be
Speaker 7: playing tomorrow. I thought he was pretty good in that
Speaker 7: second half last night. I agree that first half I
Speaker 7: thought he was poor and I was really worried that
Speaker 7: he made cop a suspension from that, I Gougers declan
Speaker 7: was that was concern for me. But he had involvement
Speaker 7: in all those tries. It may not have been the
Speaker 7: last past, but that left edge for New South Wales
Speaker 7: great last night, and a lot of that was was
Speaker 7: Jerome being out there. So the two triss were fantastic. Yeah,
Speaker 7: up and down game, but I thought he played pretty
Speaker 7: well towards the end.
Speaker 4: It's always interested in the backup question.
Speaker 5: I've always heard that players say that it's actually easier
Speaker 5: to back up immediately after origin and the first like
Speaker 5: two or three days as opposed to like play it
Speaker 5: on the Sunday. So yeah, maybe that's the reason why.
Speaker 5: Like he's pretty confident that he can back up because
Speaker 5: it's stull like fresh in terms of his recovery. So
Speaker 5: it will be interesting to see.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: I wouldn't have had any doubts at all about him
Speaker 7: backing up. The only thing is that game was in Perth,
Speaker 7: so it's a what five hour flight back for five
Speaker 7: hour flight back from Perth, and I thought maybe that
Speaker 7: would be enough to kind of rule him out. But
Speaker 7: obviously I don't think it's going to be and by
Speaker 7: expect him to play tomorrow night, and we need him
Speaker 7: to play for morow night.
Speaker 2: I saw Penrith play in the what in Auckland, So
Speaker 2: I mean they've just got not going to care about Penrith,
Speaker 2: but they've been completely stiff. What's that an eight or
Speaker 2: ten hour flight from Perth over to Augward. Crazy scheduling.
Speaker 6: I thought I heard this afternoon that the Panda players
Speaker 6: aren't even going over they.
Speaker 3: Can't physically get there.
Speaker 2: Steve Gary mentioned my new friend Rob. I mean, we've
Speaker 2: always been friends, Gary, me and Rob. It's just took
Speaker 2: him a couple of years to come on because you
Speaker 2: and him had a feud or it was your your feud.
Speaker 6: Well, I think it was Rob's dued with me. I
Speaker 6: don't know. I'm a nice guy. I don't have few,
Speaker 6: if anyone.
Speaker 2: A few comments on our last pod, Steve on Sunday
Speaker 2: night you were on it, Rusty sixty three said, just
Speaker 2: paraphrasing some of these, good to see you guys spreading
Speaker 2: the love. He agreed with Steve the fact that he
Speaker 2: thinks our next seven games the boys will use it
Speaker 2: as a bit of an opportunity for a reset and
Speaker 2: actually get some wins and stay in contention. The numerator said,
Speaker 2: really good listen, guys, Skip A thirteen really enjoyed the
Speaker 2: dynam between the boys. Did you hear that, Gary?
Speaker 6: No, sorry, I wasn't listening.
Speaker 2: It was a little bit. He wasn't sure about Josh
Speaker 2: Kerr and Adam Elliot being dream signings from Rob. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if Rob's dream signings. Steve certainly made a
Speaker 2: dream signing with Payne HEAs Camberra Tiger said, really good,
Speaker 2: pob nice to see the crossover, Lorenzo said, any chance
Speaker 2: consolidated pod going further? He said, I actually hope not,
Speaker 2: as I liked the additional content. Nice distraction when I'm
Speaker 2: at the gym and during car drives. But yeah, we're
Speaker 2: certainly thinking about content. Guys. There may be any less
Speaker 2: content going further from both pods, but Steve, nice to
Speaker 2: see a few positive comments in there. No snake or
Speaker 2: something calling a soft that's.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, yes, Snake had a real a couple of weeks.
Speaker 6: AG know it was.
Speaker 3: It was great, I think with Rob joined us the
Speaker 3: other night and then you and Gary joining their pod
Speaker 3: later in the week. It was a good thing, and
Speaker 3: maybe over time we can do a little bit more
Speaker 3: of that. At the end of the day, real West
Speaker 3: Tigers supporters, we all want the same thing. We all
Speaker 3: want to talk West Tigers. We all want to see
Speaker 3: the West Tigers do well. And so if we can
Speaker 3: play our part and come together and be a little
Speaker 3: bit more united and give a little bit more content
Speaker 3: out there for people to enjoy, that's a good thing.
Speaker 3: I will say, though, I reckon that team. You know,
Speaker 3: to have the two original members in Eddie and Joel
Speaker 3: there and then the rookie in Rob and then the
Speaker 3: people's choice in myself, I think we've stumbled on possibly
Speaker 3: the best team ever.
Speaker 2: A couple of shots by there declan, they returned the
Speaker 2: favorite schooes and we jumped on the West Tiger's life
Speaker 2: pot and they did a draft. I'm not sure if
Speaker 2: you're a fan of American sports, but it's pretty interesting
Speaker 2: try to pick two different West Tigers team. But I've
Speaker 2: got a slightly different question for you and the boys
Speaker 2: best five West Tigers players of all time if you
Speaker 2: had to rank them from five to one. I know
Speaker 2: you're a lot younger than us, so didn't see the
Speaker 2: best part of the first decade. But I know you're
Speaker 2: aware of some of our great this players if you've
Speaker 2: got an order there.
Speaker 5: So from like five to one, yeah, okay, so I
Speaker 5: think good prayer.
Speaker 2: If you want to do no, I can do it.
Speaker 4: Five.
Speaker 5: So obviously, like number one, that's like pretty easy. I
Speaker 5: think that's Benji Marshall. That's probably gonna be everyone's consensus
Speaker 5: number one, Number two Robbie Farr a close second, and
Speaker 5: number three Clive Heard Clive Church of medal winner Scott Prince,
Speaker 5: winning half back, captain of apprenticeship winning team, number number three,
Speaker 5: number four, and five, I think like we all might
Speaker 5: have different ones, but I'm going to stick with who
Speaker 5: like I saw when I first moved here, and who
Speaker 5: like has made the biggest and pressures me. I will
Speaker 5: go Gareth Ellis number four because I just thought he
Speaker 5: was sensational and like, probably haven't had someone like that
Speaker 5: like since he's left, even though the game's obviously different now.
Speaker 4: But yeah, and then.
Speaker 5: Number five, I'm gonna go we are safe and save
Speaker 5: someone like.
Speaker 4: Joins Gondala's just a club legend just to be said
Speaker 4: that one.
Speaker 2: Well, Gary at no point really repeating what declan said,
Speaker 2: I think the first four could be fairly unanimous. Five
Speaker 2: maybe is the one that's up in the air. What
Speaker 2: do you got?
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm exactly the same as stick one on the
Speaker 7: first four, but number five I would be going and
Speaker 7: Robert scha will love this. Retcondson, I think he's on
Speaker 7: our top five best players ever.
Speaker 2: Fine with out order. Gary Prince at.
Speaker 6: Three, exactly No, I'm the same as Steclan Steve, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly the same. The only difference is the order. I
Speaker 3: got Benji and Robbie at one and two. I just
Speaker 3: pok Gareth Ellis at three. The only reason he got
Speaker 3: aad of Scott Prince, you know by Whiska, is really
Speaker 3: because he was just so impactful. I know he didn't
Speaker 3: win a petition with this, but he just we didn't
Speaker 3: carry the forward pack, but he led the forward pack consistently.
Speaker 3: So I just put him as our third that he
Speaker 3: was my number three choice.
Speaker 2: I haven't been following the votes Gary, of the two
Speaker 2: sides we put up, but I thought I thought we
Speaker 2: got the chocolates comfortably to have Scott Prince at halfback
Speaker 2: and Lewie No offense to Robert Louis, But I don't
Speaker 2: know if he's in the same class as those two boys.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I thought ours was far and away the best team,
Speaker 7: despite what most people here had as a top two players.
Speaker 7: We made a decision to not really go after Benji
Speaker 7: and Robin Farrett because there are some guys there who
Speaker 7: do a really good job. So I think that was
Speaker 7: probably a strong strategic move that we made and I
Speaker 7: think our side was better.
Speaker 2: Okay, venice to the West Life boys. They did have,
Speaker 2: you know, to Desco Benji, Gareth Ellis has some great players.
Speaker 2: Declan Under nine Ams Origin tonight. I don't know if
Speaker 2: I'll bother tuning in, but I might watch the first
Speaker 2: ten minuts. You sort of love these sort of games,
Speaker 2: don't you. The young fellas coming through, luke Li Lily
Speaker 2: starting on the wing. He's the only player selected. Apparently
Speaker 2: that's made his inner roldaboot. I don't know if that's
Speaker 2: just for New South Wales off for both teams, but
Speaker 2: that's a bit unusual. I know in the past has
Speaker 2: been a few and Macassini is the eight eighth man,
Speaker 2: so unfortunately, unless he goes out and stomps on someone's
Speaker 2: foot in the warm up, we won't be seeing him tonight.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was really disappointed that he was eighteenth man.
Speaker 5: I just assumed he would start who was needing the squad.
Speaker 5: But yeah, it's gonna be interesting to see Looke playing
Speaker 5: his age grip, isn't it, Because you know, he came
Speaker 5: into fourth grade so young, kind of surprisingly for a
Speaker 5: lot of it look pretty good to start with, but
Speaker 5: I'm going to be really interested to see what he
Speaker 5: looks like an edge grip footy and by all the case,
Speaker 5: doing really really well in this Colds Cup, so that's
Speaker 5: going to be interested to see. I'm hoping that he
Speaker 5: can find his way back into the fifth grade team
Speaker 5: at some point in this season because I think he's
Speaker 5: got a lot took. But then, like obviously nor in
Speaker 5: West Tiger's related, I think seeing that Mitch Woods and
Speaker 5: that Toby Rodwell, like Woods obviously from the Billdogs and
Speaker 5: then Rodville from the Risters, that they've come through with
Speaker 5: like huge raps on them.
Speaker 4: So I'll be.
Speaker 5: Interested to see how they jel, especially like Woods because
Speaker 5: there's so much we've talked about him with the Galvin piece,
Speaker 5: so it's gonna be interesting to see how he kind
Speaker 5: of sets him to that system going forward.
Speaker 4: So Yeah, keen of Sey.
Speaker 5: These games are always interesting because like there's death, like
Speaker 5: no matter what, there's always a few players that you look,
Speaker 5: you jump in time a few years and they're playing
Speaker 5: either origin or like pushing down the door of origin.
Speaker 5: So it's just good to see them at this stage
Speaker 5: of their careers.
Speaker 2: Yeah, mac Issying actually only the only seventeen year old
Speaker 2: in the whole squad, even though he's not playing, so
Speaker 2: you can see that he's got some boom on him.
Speaker 2: But Steve, we've been it's interesting. We've been talking a
Speaker 2: lot of them this year about building a squad and
Speaker 2: the fact we don't have a lot of depth. But
Speaker 2: you forget how young sort of some of these guys,
Speaker 2: even Lukela Lily if him and Macasin he turned out
Speaker 2: to be really good outside backs. There's a first choice
Speaker 2: winger and a first choice center. So maybe we are
Speaker 2: building some depth, but it might just be a couple
Speaker 2: of years away.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's right. We've discussed this a number
Speaker 3: of times on the problem. You know, one minute, we
Speaker 3: sort of the pendulum sort of swings both ways. You know,
Speaker 3: we one minute we're saying we've got we've got nothing,
Speaker 3: and we need to go out and buy a whole
Speaker 3: heap of players, and then when you have a real
Speaker 3: think about and have a look at it, you look
Speaker 3: at our current squad and you think, you know, it's
Speaker 3: not that far away. And if a couple of these
Speaker 3: guys do come through, like it's all we've been saying
Speaker 3: all year we need a center, and we do. But
Speaker 3: if this Macasine he comes through, then maybe we're only
Speaker 3: a year away. I didn't realize until you just said,
Speaker 3: I didn't realize he was seventeen, So you know, I'm
Speaker 3: actually hoping he doesn't get a run this year. I
Speaker 3: hope we don't need him. I hope he can develop
Speaker 3: his craft a little bit. But then next year maybe
Speaker 3: he'll Next season he'll sort of break through and start
Speaker 3: to show his presence in all age footy. But I'm
Speaker 3: looking forward to watching the game tonight and also want
Speaker 3: to just shout out to it if it's all right.
Speaker 3: Ella Walker and Evey McGrath, who are from the club,
Speaker 3: as all playing in NRLW nineties. As we're recording this.
Speaker 2: Declar I think he should debut this year. Have you
Speaker 2: seen the size of him? Like, I've got to be honest,
Speaker 2: I've never seen him play a live game. I've seen
Speaker 2: YouTube clips two minutes, so great, great stuff there from me.
Speaker 2: But like he's got that is Ralph Alow sort of build,
Speaker 2: Like he's filling out already. So I think if you're
Speaker 2: going to debut an eighteen year old and you know
Speaker 2: he's got the sort of build that might handle it,
Speaker 2: it's more mental, you know, whether stepping up to the
Speaker 2: NRL is the right thing to do this season.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's crazy that I remember.
Speaker 5: I think when we beat the Sharks at all, there
Speaker 5: was a team photo and he was like obviously not playing,
Speaker 5: but he was in like the team uniform and he
Speaker 5: was actually better than everyone else team. And I think
Speaker 5: there was an article that came out a few days
Speaker 5: ago that said he's one hundred and eight kilos in
Speaker 5: six foot four, so he's like pretty much like he's
Speaker 5: bigger than me, right, So that just kind of shows
Speaker 5: even though he's like seventeen years old, like he's probably
Speaker 5: like physically like you could make an argument that he
Speaker 5: might be ready for a first grade game, Like mentally,
Speaker 5: I'm not sure, and he's playing school board rugby union
Speaker 5: at the moment, so he's not even like playing regular
Speaker 5: rugby league week in and week out, So you'd probably
Speaker 5: think that like once his schoolboy commitments are over for Newington,
Speaker 5: that he'll like play flag Cup maybe even and then
Speaker 5: maybe like towards the very end of the year, he'll
Speaker 5: play some first grade. But that article did seem to
Speaker 5: suggest the club's pretty keen to give him some first
Speaker 5: grade experience, because I think he's actually on like a
Speaker 5: lot of money next season because he had lots of
Speaker 5: offers from like Japanese rugby, from obviously it's Julian Rugby.
Speaker 4: And then other NROLD clubs, so I think you'd be
Speaker 4: on a fair bit of money.
Speaker 5: So I can see them trying to fast track his
Speaker 5: development like they did without that lily last year. In
Speaker 5: terms of if he's ready, I think it's obviously difficult
Speaker 5: to tell an age group footy because you know, he
Speaker 5: has like significantly better or bigger as well than like
Speaker 5: his opposition. But he's the thing that gives me confidence
Speaker 5: is it wasn't just that he was bigger than everyone else.
Speaker 4: He got a lot of skill as.
Speaker 5: Well, like very good hands, soft hands, like quick pass,
Speaker 5: could do really well to set up his finger on
Speaker 5: that left side, and he's really good in the air
Speaker 5: as well. So as you said, like very similarly Israel
Speaker 5: flow Mode. I'm not sure if he's he's as fast
Speaker 5: is Asrael Floil was, but he's definitely got like a
Speaker 5: lot of similar attributes. And I'm actually a little bit
Speaker 5: bummed he's not playing tonight, But what needed from me?
Speaker 7: You're not going to hurt him by holding back till
Speaker 7: next season. He turns out time in a month storm,
Speaker 7: so he's still a month away from being a teen.
Speaker 7: He's still a month away from being a lad to
Speaker 7: playing the NR.
Speaker 6: If we're if we're.
Speaker 7: Doing well and there's not a need to play, then
Speaker 7: I don't see the point of rushing and then just
Speaker 7: get him a bit of experience, getting him into the
Speaker 7: offseason training, getting into having a proper preseason, and see
Speaker 7: where he is at the start of next year and
Speaker 7: make a decision.
Speaker 3: Then I just think there's something to be said, Like
Speaker 3: like you mentioned earlier, Eddie that oh it might have
Speaker 3: been New Decline, sorry that luke La Lilly is the
Speaker 3: only one tonight who's actually played NRLL. So there's something,
Speaker 3: there's something that other clubs believe who's right in holding
Speaker 3: guys back a little bit, obviously, but I just want
Speaker 3: to go back to the Harry Grant example. I don't know,
Speaker 3: everyone's different and you can't judge everyone the same, but
Speaker 3: I just believe Harry Grant is the player he is
Speaker 3: today because he was brought through so well through the
Speaker 3: Melbourne system and was held back a little bit and
Speaker 3: he learned his craft and then when he came into
Speaker 3: first grade, he was one hundred percent ready and then
Speaker 3: just absolute kicked it. And I you know, I know
Speaker 3: there's there's a theory out there that says if you're
Speaker 3: good enough, you're old enough. And there's bloks who've forgotten
Speaker 3: more about footy than I'll ever know that subscribe to that,
Speaker 3: So there's probably something in that as well. But I
Speaker 3: just think we can we can damage players by bringing
Speaker 3: them in too early, you know, like you can even
Speaker 3: use Galvin as an example.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, I do think I do agree with that, Steve.
Speaker 5: I think that Galvin has probably the perfect example of
Speaker 5: someone we probably give the keys to too early, really
Speaker 5: dead burners. But with Harry Grant, I think that's a
Speaker 5: really unique situation because he happened to have like Cameron
Speaker 5: Smith walk in his pathway, you know, the greatest player.
Speaker 4: Of all time. But Macassin he has Adam Dewy in
Speaker 4: his pathway.
Speaker 5: So it's not exactly the same, you know, like path
Speaker 5: to first grade. So I can imagine obviously, like like
Speaker 5: when you're winning, as Gary said, if we're winning.
Speaker 4: You know, and we're going to play finals pretty.
Speaker 5: Then yeah, there would be no rush to to play them.
Speaker 5: But when like you know, the team might be struggling,
Speaker 5: there's an injury, I could see the temptation to kind
Speaker 5: of hit two buchs with one stone, and then you know,
Speaker 5: like what if he's like genuinely ready to play first
Speaker 5: grade and like he can he can make a difference.
Speaker 5: Because I remember Joseph so Leady, it's a very similar story,
Speaker 5: like school boy Union prodigy, like played first grade for
Speaker 5: the Wristles when he was in high school. So but
Speaker 5: you know, I'm not fast through their way, to be honest,
Speaker 5: but it would be a good story when it happens.
Speaker 2: Interesting to buy. It's probably the stave you probably right,
Speaker 2: be far more examples of you know, bringing in eighteen
Speaker 2: year olds and burning him rather than helping him. But
Speaker 2: I was I'm going to use a little loophole. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm not allowed to mention Galvin, but you just mentioned him,
Speaker 2: so I'm using a little loophole here. You said it
Speaker 2: damaged him. Do you mean it damaged us as a
Speaker 2: club because I look at him as a footballer and gone,
Speaker 2: it hasn't hurt him.
Speaker 3: Well, we don't know that yet. And he like he
Speaker 3: might go on and be an absolute superstate. He probably
Speaker 3: will be. You know, he's got a lot of natural ability.
Speaker 3: But I think I think it has hurt him. I
Speaker 3: think going to the club, I think he feels I
Speaker 3: think he felt he was on the outer at our club.
Speaker 3: And you know, watching him early on as he was
Speaker 3: preparing to absolute start with Canterbury, he looked to be
Speaker 3: trying really hard to get in with the crowd. He's
Speaker 3: a bit on the outer And I don't know what
Speaker 3: am I trying to say. I think it's probably damaged
Speaker 3: him psychologically a little bit. Now Serrouto might just bring
Speaker 3: out that the best in him, turning around feeling full
Speaker 3: of confidence. He'll be fine, but it could knock him around.
Speaker 2: I'm trying to I'm trying to garry. I'm trying to
Speaker 2: make the listeners hate me like they hate you by
Speaker 2: mentioning Galvin every week.
Speaker 6: I don't think you'll have to try too hard.
Speaker 2: Camber Raiders Preview Boys, we play them tomorrow night, so
Speaker 2: hopefully we'll get this potty out either late Thursday night
Speaker 2: or definitely early Friday morning. Declan. It's been more than
Speaker 2: a Bogie side in the last six or seven years
Speaker 2: or the sword of side that can run up big scores.
Speaker 2: Although we did beat them forty eight to twenty four
Speaker 2: at the same ground last year at Campbelltown, they've only
Speaker 2: won seven from seventeen there. So is there any cause
Speaker 2: for optimism here or not.
Speaker 5: I just have a good feeling about this. Again, we
Speaker 5: have some metal reinforcement coming back, and then I don't know,
Speaker 5: the Reds, they're just like kind of cruising at the
Speaker 5: moment in terms of Whens, So maybe we could just
Speaker 5: jag them on an off night, on a cold, off
Speaker 5: night at Campbelltown like we did last season. But they're
Speaker 5: a really good team and I was looking at their
Speaker 5: team lesson they have no injuries except for I think
Speaker 5: Ricky stuart Son is coming in on the wing. So
Speaker 5: it's just incredible. The keep for like a really healthy
Speaker 5: team like pretty much the entire season. So they're going
Speaker 5: to be really difficult debate. But I think that if
Speaker 5: we can play like we did against Penrith, I atink
Speaker 5: we have a chance to beat in them. So I'm
Speaker 5: optimistic in that regard. I'm not I probably wouldn't types
Speaker 5: to win, but I think we should get close to them.
Speaker 3: So Dick la mall right and saying your suggestion that
Speaker 3: a cold night in Campbelltown is going to put Camber off,
Speaker 3: is that? Is that what you're saying.
Speaker 4: I have been to Canberra.
Speaker 5: I've actually been in Canberra Stadium, but they still have
Speaker 5: to travel, Steve, and you know fair enough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I won't, you know, Gary, I won't mention that
Speaker 2: on Tuesday night I predicted it was going to be
Speaker 2: a ten to one penalty count to Queens and I'm
Speaker 2: not going to make to that.
Speaker 6: You wouldn't mention something like that, would you.
Speaker 2: But I will mention the fact that I thought this
Speaker 2: could be a letdown spot for camera not because it's Cammebelltown,
Speaker 2: because it's a cold they used to the cold and
Speaker 2: blah blah blah. But they've had a lot of huge
Speaker 2: occasions this year and big comeback wins or big wins
Speaker 2: over sides they weren't meant to beat. And last year
Speaker 2: they turned up at Cameltown and they weren't there from
Speaker 2: the first minute. So there's a little piece of me
Speaker 2: that thinks that could happen.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't think it's for yond in the realms
Speaker 7: of possibility. I was actually feeling quite confident until Lui
Speaker 7: was selected to going to the new South oil side.
Speaker 7: I thought if we had a nice strong week leading
Speaker 7: into this game, that we could ambush them down there
Speaker 7: and pull off an upset. No I being away for
Speaker 7: the week and backing up has me a little bit
Speaker 7: less confident about that. But Cameras had a fairly hard
Speaker 7: run to the start of their season.
Speaker 6: Last week. Was there first buy for the season?
Speaker 7: I think a lot of sides are shown that Rusty
Speaker 7: coming off a buye and I know where coming off
Speaker 7: of buye as well, but it was our second buy
Speaker 7: in about a month, and from what I saw, I
Speaker 7: don't think we use that by how we have in
Speaker 7: the past, where we let players have the week off
Speaker 7: and then you come back and hit the ground running again.
Speaker 2: We've been awful coming off by his Gary in the
Speaker 2: last few years it's been.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think this time we've used it as a
Speaker 7: working buy where we've kept training throughout and I think
Speaker 7: that will put us in better stead going into into
Speaker 7: tomorrow night's game. And well, I'm not that I'm not
Speaker 7: going to sit here and say, oh, We're going to
Speaker 7: win this game, but it wouldn't surprise me if we
Speaker 7: could pull if Camera shows up and they're a little
Speaker 7: bit off and we play like we did against Penrith,
Speaker 7: that we can pull out an upset Declan.
Speaker 2: You mentioned Camera been virtually at full strength all year,
Speaker 2: Like we're pretty much a full strength year, aren't we.
Speaker 5: Oh I suppose, well we're not Galvin anymore, but yeah,
Speaker 5: I get what you mean in terms.
Speaker 4: Of like everyone is still at the club.
Speaker 2: I like Twill and Twil and Paul are being inclusions
Speaker 2: for us, especially against that pack that's a strong pack.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think that with Roy's hunt as well, kind
Speaker 5: of falling out of favor with Benji Marshall. I think
Speaker 5: like those are like crucial inclusions, especially Pole, because it's
Speaker 5: just like he just adds when he's on, he just
Speaker 5: adds that extra a little bit of X factor and
Speaker 5: then twelve is overs is super consistent. But yeah, I
Speaker 5: don't know, just something like it just seems like Canberra
Speaker 5: it's one of those teams that like everything is just
Speaker 5: going so well for them this season and they're building
Speaker 5: in the finals nicely, and like they don't really seem
Speaker 5: I know, they've got like a few Origin players.
Speaker 4: I wouldn't say that they're.
Speaker 5: Terribly affected by Origin like other teams will, which stucks
Speaker 5: because usually we do get like either a Penrith or
Speaker 5: a storm or something like that during Origin when all
Speaker 5: their players are gone.
Speaker 4: But we haven't managed to get that this time. But
Speaker 4: who knows.
Speaker 5: It's going to be an interesting Hopefully. I'm hoping lat
Speaker 5: two gets a little bit more time and this game,
Speaker 5: because I thought when he came on against Penrith, we
Speaker 5: look so much better and I was a little bit
Speaker 5: surprised that he wasn't actually named to start. But with
Speaker 5: the press conference, you're saying that he's still in a
Speaker 5: minute's restraction, which is not ideal, but you know, like
Speaker 5: he's clearly still coming back from injury, so hopefully he's mating,
Speaker 5: you know, stands up. But yeah, it's going to be
Speaker 5: a good test for us, and hopefully we can stay
Speaker 5: competitive because they're a good team. Camera they've got a
Speaker 5: lot that They've got lots of different ways that they
Speaker 5: can be at you, So we're gonna have to be
Speaker 5: on our game.
Speaker 6: Yeah, definitely.
Speaker 7: I thought when LA two went off against the Panthers,
Speaker 7: we kind of lost their way a little bit, and
Speaker 7: I thought, if he has stayed on that entire second half,
Speaker 7: I think we probably get away with that win because
Speaker 7: I think he's that important to the why we play
Speaker 7: the way.
Speaker 6: He stridens the attack.
Speaker 7: I think, especially with Lua, who does have a habit
Speaker 7: of creeping brus the field a little bit lats of
Speaker 7: super in that role. So hopefully those minutes, even though
Speaker 7: he's on a minute restriction, hopefully they're a little bit
Speaker 7: more than they were last game, because I think.
Speaker 2: He's not a minute's restriction or is that implied by Benji?
Speaker 7: Look when I saw the side announced on Tuesday. That
Speaker 7: was my assumption straight away is that he's not starting
Speaker 7: because he can't play that eighty minutes yet. And there
Speaker 7: was a comment today that came out from Benji that
Speaker 7: he's going to get a real good opportunity soon. The
Speaker 7: only thing that's stopping that from coming now is that
Speaker 7: his fitness, So I think they're just taking it easy
Speaker 7: with him.
Speaker 6: I haven't seen that it was official. I Decon may
Speaker 6: have seen something.
Speaker 7: I've been at work all day, but I haven't seen
Speaker 7: Benji say that it was a minute restriction. But that's
Speaker 7: what I'm assuming, and from Benji's comments that I have
Speaker 7: seen today, it sounds about right to me.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you just said.
Speaker 5: I read an article that was caught in for the
Speaker 5: press conference that says he's like Stelen and Manut's retraction
Speaker 5: and build enough, it's bett Nes And it just sucks
Speaker 5: because I think, like Heath Mason, he's like clearly a
Speaker 5: good player, and I think he's going to be a
Speaker 5: first grade player, but he is a little bit too
Speaker 5: dimensional in the sense that he's a really good runner
Speaker 5: of the ball. But that's kind of like his like
Speaker 5: skill set at the moment. But with last two he
Speaker 5: just does so much to kind of straighten up the attack,
Speaker 5: especially in the middle of the field, that then brings
Speaker 5: out the best in Louie.
Speaker 4: Then I feel like we've got Louie and.
Speaker 5: Mace and they're kind of just like the best at
Speaker 5: running the ball, and there's not much like setting up
Speaker 5: for other people.
Speaker 4: And I think, like, yes, when, like.
Speaker 5: You know, obviously the highlight players, like all those tries
Speaker 5: against the Cowboys, it looks good, But then I just
Speaker 5: think that, like what last Yer brings is so much
Speaker 5: more through dimensional and like he just needs to start
Speaker 5: the team as soon as possible in my opinion.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the other thing with Mysa and his defense was
Speaker 7: pretty awful against the Papers, So as soon as we
Speaker 7: can get Lato in that role, it's going to be
Speaker 7: best for the time. And it also it really allows
Speaker 7: us to see whether how hard we need to go
Speaker 7: after a half for next year. I really want him
Speaker 7: to get a few games back to back so we
Speaker 7: can kind of get an idea of what we're going
Speaker 7: to see next year and what we need to.
Speaker 6: Do for next year.
Speaker 2: Do you think his defense was awful Gary just because
Speaker 2: he's undersized, or do you think it's technical thing because
Speaker 2: I heard mixed things after that game. Some people praised
Speaker 2: him for his defense, but they he is He's going
Speaker 2: to be a spot player, no doubt.
Speaker 7: Look, he has plenty of tickery, definitely has a go,
Speaker 7: But he's a young guy coming in the first grade,
Speaker 7: like he is another teenager, and he's just getting bumped
Speaker 7: off some tackles. He's missing some tackles, and I don't Yeah,
Speaker 7: I don't really hold it against him, but he is
Speaker 7: very dangerous sniffing around the ruck and that footwork and
Speaker 7: acceleration is a real key, and I think he'll actually
Speaker 7: be a key against Camera. Camera is a pretty big
Speaker 7: forward pack, which is interesting because we're gone with a
Speaker 7: fairly small bench. So I think our plan is going
Speaker 7: to be to move those big forwards around and try
Speaker 7: and tire them out. And a guy like Keith Mason
Speaker 7: can really take advantage of that laid in the halves.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I think your plan has to be the
Speaker 7: tie those forwards, and I think Mason has a big
Speaker 7: chance to yeah, great some havoc with them.
Speaker 5: I think his goal, like his defense on the line
Speaker 5: as well, was also a questionable, like he didn't directly
Speaker 5: mess any tackles that led to tries. But that I
Speaker 5: think Jenkins scored a hat track on his said defensively
Speaker 5: and you could tell that some of his smaller decisions
Speaker 5: impacted everyone else, which then created a space for Jenkins
Speaker 5: to score. So that also worries me. I don't think
Speaker 5: he's really comfortable at the minute defending in the front
Speaker 5: line because he has played the last three years of throwback.
Speaker 5: So that's just something else he's just going to have
Speaker 5: to adjust to if he's going to permanently make the
Speaker 5: transition to the haves, which is like to be expected
Speaker 5: because I know he did play five eights growing up
Speaker 5: in junior grade, but he has been a specialist throw
Speaker 5: back for at least the last three years. So these
Speaker 5: are the kind of small details that he's probably not
Speaker 5: going to be christ necessarilier back into the transition.
Speaker 2: Steve, Besides, you know, ambushing or hoping they play like crap,
Speaker 2: how do you beat a side like camera?
Speaker 3: Well, I agree with what Gary said. I've got that
Speaker 3: written down that we've got to use the ball the
Speaker 3: side we have picked where we can't try to push
Speaker 3: through the middle of them because we won't. I think
Speaker 3: what's really important with Camber is we need to wrap
Speaker 3: the ball up. You know, we are notoriously poor when
Speaker 3: sides play good second phase play against this, so we've
Speaker 3: got to wrap the ball up and not let them
Speaker 3: get that second phase game, which which they can be
Speaker 3: really dynamic gap and you know you do that by
Speaker 3: get numbers in tackles. But also we're going to need
Speaker 3: a really fast line speed, so we're going to have
Speaker 3: to defend and defend quickly and defend efficiently all game
Speaker 3: eighty minutes and that way we've got we've got a
Speaker 3: chance to beat them. I think we've also got to
Speaker 3: pressure the young bloke on the wing, Stewart put kick
Speaker 3: to him all day. Obviously, if we do that, we
Speaker 3: do it well. The thing that scares me most with
Speaker 3: Canberra I suppose that they're never out of a game, right.
Speaker 3: They can have some down moments, but they always just
Speaker 3: seem to bounce back. And so we're going to have
Speaker 3: to play an eighty minute game as well, you know,
Speaker 3: minimize our errors and just be in that concentration for
Speaker 3: eighty minutes.
Speaker 7: Yeah, for me, if we are going to it, it's
Speaker 7: going to be a game where we come over the
Speaker 7: top of the mate. If you have a look so far.
Speaker 7: Our trend recently is the finished game is quite strongly.
Speaker 7: Now we need to be working over their middles, we
Speaker 7: need to be working them over all game, make it
Speaker 7: moving them side to side. I can see a fair
Speaker 7: bit of short interchange passing between our forwards right at
Speaker 7: the line, just to kind of create that little bit
Speaker 7: of extra work for their forwards and hopefully that ties
Speaker 7: them out and creates those opportunities late in the first
Speaker 7: half and especially late in that second half.
Speaker 2: So like, it's not ideal though, Gary, is it. I mean,
Speaker 2: you've said that a number of times, and I'm not
Speaker 2: saying you're wrong that we're a better side at the
Speaker 2: end of the game, But how many times we conceived
Speaker 2: the first try this year? To be fair, they actually
Speaker 2: started well against Penrith, they just didn't put some points
Speaker 2: on the board. But I wouldn't want to start slow
Speaker 2: against Canberra because they could blow you away.
Speaker 7: I reckon Well, honestly, I just think it's the makeup
Speaker 7: of the squad. I think where a guy who can
Speaker 7: start the game in the middle with a bit of impact.
Speaker 7: I think we're sure of that guy. Like I really
Speaker 7: like what Perila Polo adds to our team, but I
Speaker 7: think we need a little bit more punch for the
Speaker 7: middle at the start of the game that he both
Speaker 7: he and May can't really provide. May's a guy who's
Speaker 7: having a fantastic season, but he gets better the longer
Speaker 7: the game goes on. He gets his fitness comes into
Speaker 7: play and he's able to push out minutes that no
Speaker 7: one else can and his impact in Perus and meet
Speaker 7: a gain in Prus as a game goes on. And
Speaker 7: I just don't think we have that impact early in
Speaker 7: the game to be a fast starting side. And I
Speaker 7: think for the majority of the season, I think I've
Speaker 7: been saying it since about round one. We're going to
Speaker 7: have to hang on in those opening twenty minutes, and
Speaker 7: that's really important tomorrow. Defensively, we need to be strong
Speaker 7: in that opening twenty minutes because if we let in
Speaker 7: two or three tries during that time without being able
Speaker 7: to really penetrate canmera ourselves, then then it's going to
Speaker 7: be a long night. So it's really crucial not so
Speaker 7: much that we get off to a really strong start defensively,
Speaker 7: in my.
Speaker 3: Opinion, Unfortunately, a lot of the time we don't help
Speaker 3: ourselves either. We put ourselves under pressure? How how many
Speaker 3: games have we seen the same scenario play out where
Speaker 3: the first five minutes, first five minutes, so maybe first
Speaker 3: six or seven sets, back and forth, back and forth,
Speaker 3: and it's all quite because then we give away a
Speaker 3: penalty or then we drop a ball and compound it
Speaker 3: with a rough penalty. And then one set later, they've
Speaker 3: got to six again and another six again, and they're attacking
Speaker 3: our line, and they get three repeat sets on our line.
Speaker 3: And in past seasons you could guarantee that they would
Speaker 3: score six points. This season, not so much. We can
Speaker 3: repel that better than we have, but we tend to
Speaker 3: put ourselves under pressure through not completing, through not focusing,
Speaker 3: through not executing as well as we could as well.
Speaker 3: I agree with what you know, Gary is saying about
Speaker 3: the lack of punch up the middle. But I think
Speaker 3: we're our own worst enemies sometimes.
Speaker 2: Royce Hunt deck and where's he at? I mean, I'll
Speaker 2: be totally honest here, Like when we first signed Terry L.
Speaker 2: May Or in the mix, I was sort of like,
Speaker 2: I got some red flags here and Gary would know that.
Speaker 2: But I sort of came around on that one. But
Speaker 2: Royce Hunt I was the same on him, but more
Speaker 2: for just football reasons. I just don't know. I can't
Speaker 2: think of the top of my head, how many players
Speaker 2: these days play twenty minutes and have a real impact.
Speaker 2: Maybe that big Broncos guy who's eight foot tall off
Speaker 2: the bench. I ever know his name. But I just
Speaker 2: think those those sort of players are going out of
Speaker 2: the game. You know, they're probably in a few years
Speaker 2: will be listening the changes, and you know, I just
Speaker 2: I think he's been a waste of money. I'll be honest.
Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, I think at the time when we
Speaker 5: signed him, we were just looking for that Stefano replacement,
Speaker 5: and then the calculation would have been that, okay, like
Speaker 5: we can surely get like at least ten more minutes
Speaker 5: of you know, quality pretty time out of them, and
Speaker 5: then obviously tell me you're gonna kind of fill out
Speaker 5: the tree.
Speaker 4: And thank god he did, because.
Speaker 5: If he hadn't, we've been a lot of trouble right now,
Speaker 5: like because you know, Hunt hasn't like when he started,
Speaker 5: he's been really poor. But I don't know, I just
Speaker 5: didn't think that Hunt was playing that badly when like
Speaker 5: he was coming off the bench for it.
Speaker 4: It's like, yes, it got a little bit loose.
Speaker 5: In the middle when he did play the big minutes,
Speaker 5: but like he still added that value. So I don't know,
Speaker 5: Like I'm not sure why he wouldn't just be coming
Speaker 5: off the bench now. But and it just show with
Speaker 5: the Sharks, like he kind of came as advertised that yes,
Speaker 5: he's kind of like that kind of prop has going
Speaker 5: out of fashion, but you know, like we've got him contracted,
Speaker 5: like surely we should try and use them to the
Speaker 5: better of his abilities. I don't understand it, because like
Speaker 5: I don't know what is having Jack Burdes like there
Speaker 5: instead of him do.
Speaker 4: I just don't get when you've got light who.
Speaker 2: Like attitude declin Like, I don't know. I'm not inside
Speaker 2: the walls of Concord.
Speaker 6: Gay.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I think it's an effort of getting getting fitter.
Speaker 7: I'm hoping they're playing. I haven't watched the lower grade
Speaker 7: games he's playing, and I haven't really had a check
Speaker 7: to say how I was going, But I hope he's
Speaker 7: playing a few more minutes there.
Speaker 6: I think he's fit.
Speaker 7: This level probably dropped away, and this is an attempt
Speaker 7: at getting a little bit.
Speaker 3: Fitter playing close to half a game. If my memory
Speaker 3: is correct. There.
Speaker 5: I feel like because augament training, I don't understand why,
Speaker 5: Like I like my understanding was that he got dropped
Speaker 5: because he wasn't playing well.
Speaker 2: Match fits is different now, isn't it? Like you can't
Speaker 2: really train that. I think you've got to do it in.
Speaker 5: Games, Like I don't know, but you can do it,
Speaker 5: like you can take positive steps to buld it up.
Speaker 4: But I would haven't playing. That's we that's we can.
Speaker 4: I think we need them, but clearly the coach is
Speaker 4: actually something else.
Speaker 2: But yeah, where do you think it's at Steve with him,
Speaker 2: I don't want to labor it, but like I'm not
Speaker 2: against a little clip around the ear like Benji dropped
Speaker 2: jack byrd for a week and maybe sometimes it's just
Speaker 2: too you know, jop players. But this is now a
Speaker 2: couple of weeks for Hunt. Where's it going?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm concerned that it's it's prolonged. I agree with you.
Speaker 3: When he was originally dropped, I thought it was going
Speaker 3: to be out for one week and then straight back.
Speaker 3: We need, we need what he brought to the team
Speaker 3: earlier in the season. I'm nervous of that opinion EDDI
Speaker 3: that he was a waste of money I thought he
Speaker 3: was doing in those first half dozen games of the
Speaker 3: season was critical to our success. That impact he bought
Speaker 3: from the bench at the twenty five minute mark was
Speaker 3: absolutely fantastic, you know, when Jack Bird was fresher in
Speaker 3: the season at the time, and together when they would
Speaker 3: both come on and had huge impact on us. I
Speaker 3: think it's defensive. I think it's fitness, and I think
Speaker 3: that then demonstrates itself on the field through his defensive efforts.
Speaker 3: And I think that's why he's not being picked, because
Speaker 3: I think he becomes a defensive liability of a minuity fatigues,
Speaker 3: whether he spat the dummy, and there's a bit of attitude.
Speaker 3: We don't know, right, I'd hate to think that's the case.
Speaker 3: I've got no reason to think it is the case.
Speaker 3: But he's obviously been told to improve his fitness and
Speaker 3: maybe he's got to hit a benchmark and he hasn't
Speaker 3: in it yet.
Speaker 7: It's interesting that the issues we kind of have with
Speaker 7: him really started to show when we moved into that
Speaker 7: starting prop.
Speaker 6: Role off the Poula got injured. So I think they
Speaker 6: were his poorest games.
Speaker 7: So hopefully those increase minutes in Cup can get him
Speaker 7: that a little bit fitter can and getting back in
Speaker 7: because I agree with Steve what he provided in those
Speaker 7: opening few rounds, coming on about the twenty five to
Speaker 7: thirty minute mark and having a short stint I thought
Speaker 7: was really important to our team, and that was the
Speaker 7: part of the game where I was feeling most confident
Speaker 7: about our ability to oken sides up off the back
Speaker 7: of his playables. So hopefully we can get him into
Speaker 7: some kind of fitness and into some kind of role
Speaker 7: in the team soon.
Speaker 5: I don't know what Kat the Lily has to do
Speaker 5: to get a game, because yeah, because he's just that,
Speaker 5: like he's the opposite point where he's that like modern
Speaker 5: day like felt load of the ground, lots of leg drive,
Speaker 5: like quite more bail. I'm not sure if he's like
Speaker 5: I'm not sure how if fat is determined how many
Speaker 5: minutes he can play, But like he would just be
Speaker 5: someone like i'bout a pocket rocket you could play off
Speaker 5: the bench, and he has that mobility, and he played
Speaker 5: really well in the Bill Dogs trial, and by all accounts,
Speaker 5: he played really well for the Magpies last weekend. I
Speaker 5: just don't get I don't know why he isn't getting
Speaker 5: some minutes and then he got like he was on
Speaker 5: the bench against Permouth, but he didn't even get game
Speaker 5: to him. Now, I saw some justificads, some justification letter
Speaker 5: that it might have been like an imprompt thing to
Speaker 5: get last back on the field, and that you was
Speaker 5: the last in the case. But I'm a bit surprised
Speaker 5: that he hasn't played more flush grade this season, to
Speaker 5: be honest, Yeah, I.
Speaker 7: Was really disappointed when he didn't get any gang time
Speaker 7: against the Panthers. I was really excited from what we
Speaker 7: saw in the in the troll. I really wanted him
Speaker 7: get more in that second troll to see really what
Speaker 7: he has the offer against center old.
Speaker 6: Players because he has impact. He runs the whole extreme
Speaker 6: we have.
Speaker 7: He doesn't hold back, and I'm a huge fan of kid.
Speaker 7: I can't wait to see him get some more time
Speaker 7: in SR because I really think he has to offer.
Speaker 7: So hopefully we get to see some of him soon too.
Speaker 2: Steve, I don't think I can go to Campbelltown ever again.
Speaker 2: I just until we win a game. I know you're
Speaker 2: laughing like you're crazy. You've got to get on a
Speaker 2: flight to somewhere in the east. Is at Dubai two
Speaker 2: in the morning on that day, you're getting on a
Speaker 2: flight or getting ready for a flight at six in
Speaker 2: the morning or whatever, and you were going to go
Speaker 2: to Campbelltown tomorrow night in the freezing cold and probably
Speaker 2: watch us lose. Give me one good reason why I
Speaker 2: should go out there, given I reckon I've lost the
Speaker 2: last twelve games, not that I've had anything to do
Speaker 2: with playing or coaching when I've been out there.
Speaker 3: Because you're a West Tiger, Eddie, because your claws out mate,
Speaker 3: because you're there for the team.
Speaker 2: All those k's coming out are they.
Speaker 3: Because you've got a mindset that you never give up.
Speaker 3: You support your team through thick and thin.
Speaker 6: Eddie doesn't have that mindset.
Speaker 4: No, I don't know.
Speaker 3: You've been an elite sportsman. Well, you keep telling this,
Speaker 3: you've been an elites. I'm still still waiting to see
Speaker 3: the video. But you've been an elite sportsman. You know
Speaker 3: what it's like. Get out there and support the team.
Speaker 3: You know what I'll do. I'll go out to Campbelltown.
Speaker 3: I'll watch the game. We'll have a glorious victory. I'll
Speaker 3: come home about eleven o'clock. I'll sit there and turn
Speaker 3: it on and watch it again and then I'll jump
Speaker 3: on a plane and just you.
Speaker 2: On the hill or in the corporate box tomorrow night.
Speaker 3: No, I'm in my I'm in my my paid for seat.
Speaker 2: What are you meeting with Abra and Dubai? Are you
Speaker 2: meeting with one of those chieks or are you going
Speaker 2: to be like this fake sheek that to buy the
Speaker 2: club or for us?
Speaker 3: Not sure how anyone who listeners is interested at all,
Speaker 3: But I am spending a week with my son who
Speaker 3: currently lives over there, and.
Speaker 6: Third party deals will be nicely.
Speaker 3: And looking forward to it.
Speaker 5: Yes, No, I actually I heard a rumor that Steve
Speaker 5: is actually trying to put a call asher together to
Speaker 5: buy the club with some sports watching money from the
Speaker 5: Middle East.
Speaker 6: So yeah for that one.
Speaker 2: The Middle Eastern money it's taken over and boxing and
Speaker 2: other sports and Steve the Sheik when he comes back
Speaker 2: if he's things on it.
Speaker 3: So anyway, if we put the eye kicks up and
Speaker 3: we pressure their winger, I think we'll do pretty well.
Speaker 3: Isn't it time for the quiz?
Speaker 8: Sorry, there was no denial about buying the club there exactly.
Speaker 8: Let's do the quiz before I get in trouble. What
Speaker 8: I'm saying, here got his quiz. My favorite time of
Speaker 8: the week. I'm hosting it tonight.
Speaker 6: Boys.
Speaker 2: Question one's a multiple choice so you can listen to this.
Speaker 2: Who scored our first try in the twenty ten Do
Speaker 2: or Die semi final against the Green Machine? In camera?
Speaker 2: Was it a Chris Hydington, B Gareth Ellis, see Lottie
Speaker 2: Dakiri or d Chris Lawrence? I reckon they all scored
Speaker 2: on the night, But who scored the first try? Steve,
Speaker 2: I'm going to say Chris Lawrence, declan, I'm.
Speaker 4: Going to say Chris Lawrence as well.
Speaker 6: I was gonna say Chris Lawrence, but I'm going to
Speaker 6: go lighting just to be different.
Speaker 3: No, all wrong.
Speaker 2: In the seventh minute it was Chris Hidington and he
Speaker 2: celebrated the way everyone seems to say lebrate these days, Steve.
Speaker 2: They just kicked the ball into the crowd.
Speaker 6: What is it about that?
Speaker 2: Are they getting Are they getting money on the side
Speaker 2: for that or something?
Speaker 3: I don't mind that if you want to kick well
Speaker 3: as long as you're winning. When you're down by twenty
Speaker 3: points and you do a celebration, there's something wrong with it.
Speaker 2: I've got the try July coming up, deck and I
Speaker 2: like the silly try celebrations when you're down by thirty
Speaker 2: and you taking to I don't think that's quite funny.
Speaker 5: Well, what would try celebration should be any I know
Speaker 5: you probably scored times when you're back in the day,
Speaker 5: but what would you go for it?
Speaker 2: Just walk back to halfway? Yeah yeah, yeah, betting on
Speaker 2: the other team or something terrible? Question two is it
Speaker 2: true or false?
Speaker 6: Boys out?
Speaker 2: Two two thousand and six games against the Raiders had
Speaker 2: the same halftime, full time and Golden points score pols
Speaker 2: wollso it is false. Both games come up with the answers.
Speaker 2: Both games had the same halftime score, which was twelve all,
Speaker 2: same full time score or eighteen all but one Golden
Speaker 2: Point game was decided by a penalty goal, and that
Speaker 2: would have been against US without doubt, and the other
Speaker 2: by a field goal with camera winning both. Imagine losing
Speaker 2: to the same side twice in Golden Point in a
Speaker 2: year that could only happen to us. Question three, Name
Speaker 2: the four NRL players who we have directly signed from
Speaker 2: the Raiders jumping whenever you like?
Speaker 3: Or the first lay lure? What was his name?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Joey.
Speaker 6: I was going to say, but if.
Speaker 2: Todd Peyton came from the rus He went to the
Speaker 2: roosters first, isn't he ju came from the rest of them? Yeah,
Speaker 2: that might he might have been reserved great from hur
Speaker 2: from the readers. One for Gary, there's two more. One
Speaker 2: was a redhead second rower. Red Eddy was sort of
Speaker 2: a back roller A.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know who you're talking about, Joel Edwards.
Speaker 2: Col Edwards. Well done, Declin. So we've all got one
Speaker 2: and the last one there's a little pocket rocket. Declan
Speaker 2: can't get this one because it was two thousand and
Speaker 2: one to two thousands. Lincoln Withers in the halves played
Speaker 2: forty six games. I like that question question four nearest
Speaker 2: to the pin. So Gary, you're going to go first?
Speaker 2: Cheat and these ones. Since our inaugural two thousand season,
Speaker 2: West Tigers have debooted three hundred players. Whoever that bloke
Speaker 2: that played last week would have been number three hundred
Speaker 2: Murray in the same amount of time, how many players
Speaker 2: have camera da boot? Gary, go first?
Speaker 6: Uh, two hundred and.
Speaker 9: Eighty one, Declan, I'm going to go two hundred and
Speaker 9: thirty to forty five.
Speaker 2: Well, declan your nearest two hundred two. So that's it.
Speaker 2: It's a good quiz from you this week because it's
Speaker 2: given me talking points. He's basically saying, this is the
Speaker 2: reason we've been awful for twenty five years, because we
Speaker 2: nearly used one hundred more players than Camera who haven't
Speaker 2: been great over the past quarter century.
Speaker 6: It's a good quiz as long as all these questions
Speaker 6: are right this week.
Speaker 2: Question five? Who am I? I was born in Sydney
Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty three. Debuted with a Western Sydney team
Speaker 2: the year before they won the Grand Final. Wasn't part
Speaker 2: of their premiership winning squad. I joined the West Tigers
Speaker 2: in the season after we were defending Premiers SO two
Speaker 2: thousand and six, well two thousand and seven, defending premiers
Speaker 2: season after we were defending Premiers SO seven. Played one
Speaker 2: game as a starting prop. I remember that and ruptured
Speaker 2: Mike Keilles Tendon. I remember this was like a Tim
Speaker 2: Sheen's one oh one Crazy to the Grant. Not Tim Grant.
Speaker 2: He wasn't not Bronson Harrison. I finished with the Joint
Speaker 2: Venture in the season we finished ninth, scoring one, trying
Speaker 2: thirty four appearances. Continued playing NRL until I moved finished
Speaker 2: in the Super League. I say this is the Big One.
Speaker 2: I shared the same surname as a West Tiger's two
Speaker 2: thousand and five Grand Final winner. Probably started in the
Speaker 2: forward pack that night. Probably started at Locke, Anglia well
Speaker 2: Daniel Ga no relation to Bengalia but Danny Gallier so
Speaker 2: Debud Penrith West Tigers two thousand and seven and two
Speaker 2: thousand and nine. So thank you, Jodi. I thought that
Speaker 2: was one of your best. That quiz tonight. All right, boys,
Speaker 2: that's it. I told you Ael tonight, Steve. I sent
Speaker 2: him a text. I said, I'm not coming on Sunday
Speaker 2: night because i need a break. I've done three podcasts
Speaker 2: in five days. I've been worked.
Speaker 6: Am I one podcast? What's that carry long podcast?
Speaker 4: I know?
Speaker 2: So we're getting paid per minute to be good, but
Speaker 2: we're not so declan you might have to jump on
Speaker 2: Sunday night. But obviously if we lose that won were happening.
Speaker 4: I'll be there as long as it's said before my bedtime.
Speaker 2: Popefully christ our best. All right boys, thank you, jeers guys,
Speaker 2: those guys sto