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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Fred Green from the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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This is part two of our extended series with Tony Manzoni,

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who passed away in twenty eighteen. Even if you've heard

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these episodes in the past, it's a great reminder to

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reiterate Tony's teaching methods that he communicates so effectively and

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based on your feedback, works incredibly well. What we're doing

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differently this year versus what we've done the last few

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years is that I'm replaying these episodes in the dated

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order they were originally published. Tony's book The Loss Fundamental,

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One Simple Move Better Golf Forever is once again available

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on Amazon, including the Kindle format, and his video of

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the same name can now only be seen online. If

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you'd like to gain access, please write directly to me

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at golf Smarter podcast at gmail dot com or click

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on the Heyfred button at golfsmarter dot com. To find

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out more. Please visit Golfsmarter dot com. Thanks so much

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for your support and enjoy.

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Speaker 2: For members only.

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Speaker 3: Golf Smarter number two fifty four recorded on October twenty six,

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twenty ten, The Single Pivot Swing in detail with Tony Manzoni.

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Speaker 1: This is Golf Smarter, sharing tips and insights from golfers

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and golf professionals to help lower your score.

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Speaker 2: It's worked for your host, Fred Green.

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Speaker 3: Welcome and thanks for downloading the Golf Smarter Podcast. A

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few episodes ago, we had a conversation with Tony Manzoni,

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who claimed to have unearthed the secret to Ben Hogan's

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golf swing. Tony calls it the single pivot swing, and

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he'll soon be opening this Single Pivot Academy down in

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Palm Desert, California, where he coaches and teaches at College

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of the Desert. Well after that podcast, not only did

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Tony get a number of calls requesting a coaching session,

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I received many emails wanting more in depth information. So

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I called him and luckily we caught Tony before he

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left the country for meetings in China, and he was

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more than willing to discuss his theories in detail.

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to the Golf Smarter Podcast.

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Speaker 4: Tony, Hey, how are you today.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing well and I'm so glad that we caught you.

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I understand you're going to be leaving the country any.

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Speaker 4: Minute, right, Yeah, I'm going to China and meet with

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some government officials about doing some golf courses there and

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also created some golf schools and kind of tied into

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what we're doing with golf illustrated here at College of

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the Desert.

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Speaker 2: Wow, that's very exciting.

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Speaker 4: It is, and it's my first trip to Asia, and

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I'm so excited about going to China because right now

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I think that's a hotspot for all the golf activity

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in the world.

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Speaker 2: One of my business acted We're not just golf, yeah.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, everything everything, and golf is kind of the

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criteria for people that are working in various industries to

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do business. In my golf management program, I get a

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lot of boys from Korea and China that have been

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sent here by employers so that they get some form

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of knowledge about the management of golf courses and then

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also a little bit about teaching, but primarily to get

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their skills up so that they can play golf and

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do business on the golf course.

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Speaker 3: Very interesting. Well, and part of your College of the

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Desert program is golf management.

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Speaker 4: Correct, that's correct, Yes, that's correct, Very very good.

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Speaker 3: So when you were on the show and we had

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you talking about shot Watch and among other things, but

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we wanted to talk about your single pivot swing, and

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and you were kind of vague about it, which was okay,

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but I was inundated with emails and phone calls from

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listeners around the world saying.

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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, I want more.

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Speaker 3: You tease this as Ben Hogan's secret, and you really

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didn't even talk about it. So it's not much that

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I would call some back and say, hey, can you

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do a second episode, you know, in a couple of weeks.

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this time we had to call you back and get

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you to talk more about the single pivot swing.

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do that for you because it's really a passion of mine,

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and I think we've kind of got a ground swell

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moving right now with this thing. When I came up

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with the method, through years of research and especially watching

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Ben Hogan, I wasn't sure myself, because when you're thinking

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a little bit out of the box as an instructor,

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there's always a question, well, you know, have I flipped

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my wig here or have I really found something? And

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it took a while for me to realize that this

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is valid, this is what Hogan did, because there's been

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a lot of people saying they knew what he did,

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and I think this is an aspect to it. I'm

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not sure it's everything he did, but I know that

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received was, I can't believe he doesn't have a website,

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not even a simple one.

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Speaker 4: And it's like, well, I'm finishing a book with a

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gentleman by the name of Paul Servantis, who's a very

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very fine co writer. Uh, and I speak in a

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certain way, so he's tried to keep that flavor in

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the book without editing me out of it. And so

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present time, and we will have a lot of information.

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a single pivot golf school. They have the Golf Illustrated

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has just gone online and they have a pretty large website,

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and we're going to be doing kind of golf viignettes

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that we'll be putting on there myself, Al Geiberger, Mike Lyons,

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and Brian Geiberger. That's the for some of us, and

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who's our female instructor about to single pivot, how you

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have to set up to it, because setup is really

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important in making this happen. What we're eliminating in the

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single pivot golf swing is we're eliminating the lateral move,

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the shifts from the right leg to the left leg.

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players that played off the left side, but no one

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it and what are the functions and so forth. So

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that's what that's what my role has come has happened,

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is that I've I've watched this and of course I

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and now that this doesn't work for young people because

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my golf team are all you know, they all kill

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the ball and they're all playing off of one axis.

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the swing anymore. I can't get any distance. I've increased

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their distance just two to three clubs by just putting

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them in the right position, by setting them to the

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ball correctly, and then keeping them there throughout the motion

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right side, so they can clear their left side. They

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can turn their chest left of the target and get

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the right shoulder pointing at the target. And while they

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do that, the left arm stack is connected high on

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the chest. And that's the secret of this. It's playing

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off of one axis. Now we're not tilting the shoulders,

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so this is not stack and tilt. And I don't

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mean to infer that what they do is wrong. I

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don't like to get into those things. But you can't

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hurt your back doing this. When you're tilting your shoulders,

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especially on the through swing, you're going to end up

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in what we used to call a sea position, and

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there's a little bit of strain on the lower back.

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finished with the head back and the body kind of

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in a sea position, they all were troubled with their

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back in later years. And Hogan, if you see any

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pictures of him, he posts it up so that he

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was on a straight line because he didn't work that way.

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turn your arms over and hit it, or you can

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rotate your body and keep your arm connected to your

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body like it's a lever connected to a gear. So

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when you set up to the golf ball, the first

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thing you're going to do is you're going to set

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up sixty forty sixty percent of your weight on your

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left foot and forty percent on your right. And why

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you're doing that is because you're aligning your left hip

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to the outside of your left foot, and that's impact.

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off the ball and come back to it, that's where

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we're going to end up. But with this concept, we're

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going to get against impact to start with. So we've

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positioned the legs in the proper position, and now all

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the body and we're gonna coil the body without moving

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that center, and that's our head we're going to stay.

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Our face will be right down on the golf ball. Okay,

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to turn behind us, and that's going to pull the

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arm around the body with the rotation.

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to do this, I'm standing up, I got a club

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in my hand.

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so let me just let me just kind of visualize this.

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my hands up. I'm bringing my hands more.

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hands back. Your arms are connected to your body and

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you're turning your You're turning your upper torso, and your

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arms are being moved to a position behind you. The

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arms are in front of you, okay, and they're going

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to stay in front of you in the addressed position.

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it's turning, it's turning around. The right shoulder is now

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being displaced behind the spine, and the right hip is

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being displaced behind the so your right side is turning.

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no sway back to low power. You're coiling. Imagine a

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wall against your right shoulder. Okay, you're going to turn

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inside that wall with your right side, and that movement

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will take the club back into a position. And everybody

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is different because we are all built differently. Some people

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have a lot of flexibility, some don't. Some are short waists,

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some are long legged. So there's no position you can

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say you have to take the club here. So by

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connecting the arms slightly on top of the body at address,

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and we we stay against that brace, almost the feeling

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of there's an imaginary wall on your left side. Okay.

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upper body staying centered. Okay, so when we coil, we're

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going to stay right on that ball. So the right shoulder,

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right hip go behind us, and the club, the arms

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will follow. The left ear was going to go across

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the chest. This is a big this is the big key.

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arm should sit fairly high on the left pectoral muscle. Okay.

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of Dick Mayer. He won the US Open, the World Open.

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I had a little problems with alcohol in his later years.

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hit balls, and he used to say, son, you've got

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to keep your left arm on your tit and he

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meant the nipple. Okay. And and he wrote a book

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subsequent to that that gerald Ford was in the gerald

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Ford Library. He gave me the book, and in that

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book it says that everybody has an area in the

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body that defines where the left arm should be in

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that'sh the left arm should be right above that nipple

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of the on the man on the left pectoral muscle. Okay.

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had no idea what he was talking about, until I

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learned that that was position is paramount to hitting the

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ball solid and straight, time after time after time, because

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when the left arm stays high in the chest, the

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only way it can move because it's connected to the body.

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Is the rotation of the body opening up through the target,

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kind of like if you've ever seen Anika Sorenson play,

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Anika was very It was a real rotator of the

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golf swing, and it looked like her body was facing

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the target at impact. And that's exactly what it was.

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So if people in the audience would stand up, if

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they can do this and put their arm right across

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their body and then take their right arm and hold

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their left arm high against the chest, and then just

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turn the body and see how the arm moves with it.

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It's not coming off the chest, it's still pressed against it.

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But if you keep turning left, the club will square itself.

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Speaker 3: Now, you talk about seniors being able to do this,

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what kind of to me? The way you're describing this

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In this rotation, it seems like a lot of flexibility

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is required.

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Speaker 4: I mean you have, Oh, no, none at all. I'm

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believing I'm about as flexible as a solid pretzel. I

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can't touch my toes. Okay, I'm lucky if I can

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get past my knees when I bend over. But I

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can do this, Oh yeah, I can do this. Hey,

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I'm seventy four years old. You know an atrophy is

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snuck in there somewhere. Now. I try to stay as

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limber as I can, but really I'm not going to yoga,

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I'm not doing stretching. But what I found is that

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all all, if you put your arms across your chest

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like you see guys criss cross their arms, and you

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get in swinging position, you set yourself off against the

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left side brace and just turn the top part. You're

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going to turn it enough to where your back is

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to the target. Even less than that is fine, okay,

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But if you're turning your right side behind you, this

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is the ticket. If you try to turn your left

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shold over to your chin, it's harder to do if

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you take your right side and pull it back behind

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behind you towards the target. That's the keyword, towards the target.

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Because at the top of your swing, your weight is

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now seventy thirty. You're braced against that wall and on

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your left.

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Speaker 2: Side, the seventy being on the left side.

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Speaker 4: Left side you started sixty forty. Because you're displacing your

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weight behind you and it's going behind you towards the target.

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You have now braced up seventy thirty. The left knee

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has not pulled back from the ball or pulled back

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to go towards the ball or behind it. The left

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knee is pointed straight to the toe of the left foot.

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Speaker 3: Okay, rotation in your rotation, your your knee has pointed

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to your foot. You're not banking your knee on that rotation.

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Speaker 4: Well, you're You're both knees are bent. Okay, I'm because

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I'm trying to talk you through this. Okay. As I

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as I turn my right pocket and my right shoulder

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behind me, okay, towards my left heel towards my left heel.

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As I do that, my left knee points towards my toe.

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Speaker 2: Should on your left.

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Speaker 4: Left foot, left foot, the right leg will elongate, it'll

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get it won't lock, but it'll get. It'll get steeper. Okay.

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So now you're now you're braced on your axis that

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you're going to swing around. Okay, So you're there. Okay,

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Now all we're all we're doing is we've coiled the

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top part of the body. Our legs are in position.

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So now all there is left by staying connected high

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on the pectoral muscle. Okay, we just unwind our chest

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through the target around the left leg, and we finished

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with the chest pointing left of the target and the

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right should're pointing at the target. And trust me when

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I tell you I have a I've got an eighty

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six year old man that when he first came to

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me and he took the club back, he looked like

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a tree falling to the right. He had no conception

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of turn. I've got him on his left side now

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and he's hitting the ball farther now than he did

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when he was in his fifties because he's hitting it

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with his whole body. He's not working down under so

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that his arms have to flip over so that the

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arms leave the body. He's hitting it with his chest,

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his core, his hips, and the last thing through is

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the clubhead, so as his body unwinds, the clubhead hits

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the ball. Now, if you're on the right side and

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you try to do this, you're gonna you're gonna spin

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out open. You're gonna spin open, but you can't get

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open enough. When you're on your left side. As you

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as you start unwinding, you can open up as early

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as you want, and you're just gonna hit the ball harder. Okay, Now,

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Now the key here, the key as we do this

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is that the left arm must stay on the chest

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as you open. Okay, So you're gonna be turning level.

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You are not gonna work be working down. You're gonna

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stay level like Hogan did in his later years, and

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you're gonna smash the ball. And the by product of

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this is that whether you pull it or push it,

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and we will do that for our life, no one's

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going to hit it dead straight at the pin every time.

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They're gonna push it a little right, but there'll be

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no side spin on the ball because the club the

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clubhead is held square throughout the heating area. There's no

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rotation to square it. It's square from the beginning to

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the end. Okay, So you'll pull it or push it

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dead straight. So your your shot dispersion is going to

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get real narrow, real narrows. So you're going to start hitting.

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You're gonna hit a lot of greens and a lot

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of fairways, and you're going to hit the ball much

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more solid, which will make your average hit further. See

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you when we move off the golf ball. And it's

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a trend in teaching. At one time, the Nicholas's the Palmers,

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they stayed right on the ball their head and did

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not move. It didn't move because they didn't make that

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little lateral move on the backswing. And then all of

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a sudden, instructures start saying it's okay to move your head,

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and I'm here to tell you that's a bunch of bs.

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It isn't okay to move your head because you got

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to move it back to the place you started, because

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that's your center before you hit the golf ball. And

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you know, unless you're neurria of or somebody like that,

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how do you do that, especially when you get past fifty.

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So that's why so many people. You know, we have

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a driving rain chair at the college and you see

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people and they're just locked back on that right foot.

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The ball goes right and their instructor says, will shift

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your weight. Well, that's that's the problem. They did shift

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their weight. They put too much weight on the right

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foot early. Yeah, once you get back on that right

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side unless you unless you have an athletic body. And

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even the athletic guys that are arm swingers every now

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and then, they're all all over the place. I mean,

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you look at Dustin Johnson, a tremendous athlete, tremendous strength.

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He can hit the ball two miles, but every now

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and then he can hit it so far off the

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Fairwey Mickelson another arms swinging around the downswing. But you

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can see it when the when the arms come down,

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the body can't. The body can't rotate and the arms

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come down at the same time. One. So if the

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body doesn't, if the arms come down, the body is

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going to follow the arms when they when the when

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you're a rotator, the arms always follow the body. And

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and and because you're not turning the club over, the

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clubhead isn't going to be opened a long time, closed

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a long time, and square for just a moment. So

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now you're you're eliminating one of the things that happens

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to all of us as soon as you get anxious,

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as soon it means something. You know, our eye hand

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coordination runs down our leg I mean that, I don't

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care who it is. Uh. You saw Dustin Johnson in

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that one tournament where he stood in a bunker. Well,

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he didn't have to be in that bucker if he

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could have just hit the ball in the far away.

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But because he's he has to square that club with

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his arms. As soon as it gets really important, you're

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gonna you're just you're gonna hang on or you're going

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to release it too early. See. And that's what Hogan,

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that's what he really figured out. And in his later

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years he made statements, I square the golf club with

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my body. Okay, well that's how. But he didn't tell

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you how to do it. That's what the single pit

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was school and concept is about. It tells you how

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to do it. And I want to tell you. Uh

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and I don't mean to brag, but I am going

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to brag. Since I've been teaching. Yes, since I've been

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teaching this, I have had nothing but repeat business and

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nothing but referral business, and people tell sending me emails

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and tell me I never hit the ball like this.

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I haven't hit it like this since I was a kid.

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Blah blah blah blah blah. And it works. I've got

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al Geiberger, who's a pretty good golfer in his day,

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doing this. Okay. Al geiber was voted as having the

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top one of the top swings of the top five

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best wings and he is now a single pivot player. Okay,

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I have a terrific teacher from Canada that was reluctant

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to this at first, although he tried to stay centered

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to the ball, But once he got all the pieces together,

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his following now is expanded tremendously because you get instant results.

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I know, one of the guys that heard your podcast

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came down to see me. Really yeah, oh yeah, I've

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had two actually I had two lessons, and there one

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young man. He said, great to hear, thank you. Yeah,

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And what do you shoot? He says, well, I'm about

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a twenty handicap. So I said, well, I hit a

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few balls from me, and then immediately I saw he had

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his hands out of position and he's just swinging back

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on the golf ball and with no power. And then

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here he's in this probably early thirties and well built guy,

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and here I'm this over the hill pro and I

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get up there with a nine iron and I'm hitting

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the past where he's hitting the seven, and I mean

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way past. And he's where you getting on all that power?

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And I said, because you're hitting it with your flick

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of your wrists and I'm hitting it with my whole body.

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And I got him in position, and I'll tell you

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after about the fifteenth golf ball, he was blasting the others.

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I've never hit a ball this far in.

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Speaker 3: My life, the chilly.

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Speaker 4: Believe me when I tell you, it gives me the chills,

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because my passion is teaching, and I'm you know, we

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all want to make money, but I promise you this

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is this is like an elixir for me because I

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finally found something that really works for I don't care

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what level player, and I've got some I've got some kids.

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I've got a twelve year old, and I'm going to

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give a plane lesson too. She's had six lessons, and

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she hits it so far and so straight, it's just ridiculous.

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But she's she's blessed. But she's also she's also lucky

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that she got a fellow like me that didn't teach

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her shift to the right, shift to the left, because

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she'd be chasing that monkey for a long long time.

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Speaker 3: Well, I'll tell you, my passion is finding people like

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you to share this knowledge. So I'm glad that we've

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found each other.

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Speaker 4: Now.

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Speaker 3: I received an email from a listener in Joplin, Missouri,

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and he had a number of questions. He says that

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I just finished it, and I had a lot of questions.

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Instead of writing to you, he thought he'd write to

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me so that maybe I can ask you again. And

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you mentioned a couple of times about Hogan's later year

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later years. He was just curious, is that the is

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those later years? Is that after he wrote the Five Lessons?

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, way after.

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Speaker 2: Way after, Okay.

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Speaker 3: So he says that he's intrigued by what you're describing

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and he's read Hogan's Five Lessons and it really didn't

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help him as much as it would he would like.

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Speaker 4: He wants to well, if you listen, if you read

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the Hogans, there's a lot of really great stuff in

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Hogan's but what he says in there, and you know,

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I mean they asked him near his death because he

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went to Golf Digest in the nineties to release a secret,

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but he wanted a six figure payment and they refused,

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and so I think he took it to the grave

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with him. But they asked him in his later years, well,

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what was your secret? What really was it? Because there's

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been a lot of speculation, and he said, they're going

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to have to dig it out of the dirt like

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I did. And I just love him for that because

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he had no gruz, he had no real video and

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nothing to work with. He had to get out there

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and just beat balls. But he got an idea in

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00:23:36,839 --> 00:23:40,079
a dream state. And I know what that I really

477
00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,160
believe I know what that idea was. And it wasn't

478
00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,279
weakening his grip and all that pronation and suppornation stuff.

479
00:23:46,319 --> 00:23:48,480
I mean, he may have done that, but I've got

480
00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:50,319
film and you can look at him at the top

481
00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:53,160
of his swing, and his weight is on top of

482
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,839
his left side. His right leg is so steep and

483
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,319
so braced, and you can see he's right there ready

484
00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:02,839
to rotate. So he eliminated that transitional move that I

485
00:24:02,839 --> 00:24:04,759
don't care who you are, whether you're a tour player

486
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,240
or a high handicapped player, it's difficult. You've got to

487
00:24:08,319 --> 00:24:11,920
move laterally onto the left foot and then rotate, and

488
00:24:12,400 --> 00:24:15,319
you have to time that rotation in a split second

489
00:24:15,319 --> 00:24:17,799
when that club is really really moving. And for some

490
00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:20,519
of these young guys that hit three or four ferris

491
00:24:20,599 --> 00:24:24,160
then blowing out of bounds right or left and never

492
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:27,519
knowing what they know what I'm talking about because I

493
00:24:27,599 --> 00:24:29,160
was one of those guys. When I was a young man,

494
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,279
I was a very good player. But every time I

495
00:24:31,319 --> 00:24:36,200
got into a tour event one hole or two holes,

496
00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:37,720
I'd hit the ball left and it'd be out of

497
00:24:37,759 --> 00:24:40,559
bounds or into some real trouble where I ran my

498
00:24:40,599 --> 00:24:43,160
score up, and I always thought, well, I just don't

499
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,839
have it. And I just want to pass this information

500
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:49,480
onto people, for those young people that are out there

501
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,839
that really want to play this game. You've got to

502
00:24:51,880 --> 00:24:54,519
be connected and rotate that body so that you can

503
00:24:54,559 --> 00:24:57,160
control that clubhead. You have to know where that club

504
00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:59,680
head is through impact. If you're just guessing and hoping,

505
00:25:00,319 --> 00:25:02,319
you you got a long road and a rough road

506
00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:02,839
to go through.

507
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,960
Speaker 3: Well, you had mentioned the word coordinate, and I'm wondering

508
00:25:06,160 --> 00:25:10,440
what it. What kind of I guess coordination is the

509
00:25:10,440 --> 00:25:13,200
word that I'm looking for. Does it take a lot

510
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:15,799
of good hand eye coordination? Does a lot of work

511
00:25:15,839 --> 00:25:18,079
to get that coordination together to hit it, to get

512
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:19,039
it at that right spot.

513
00:25:19,799 --> 00:25:21,400
Speaker 4: If you're going to hit the ball with your hands

514
00:25:21,400 --> 00:25:23,359
and arms, if you're going to rotate your arms hit

515
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:26,119
the golf ball, you better have really good coordination. And

516
00:25:26,160 --> 00:25:29,079
then you better practice every single day for a long

517
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:32,119
time because you can lose it immediately and you're going

518
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,960
to lose it when you get anxious anyway. But if

519
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,079
you're if you're scoring the club with the rotation of

520
00:25:37,119 --> 00:25:40,279
your big muscles, your your big muscles, your shoulders and

521
00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,200
chests really can't rotate on a lot of different planes.

522
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:46,759
Your hands and wrists are much more appliable. They can

523
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,240
they can flip over and flop and hang on and

524
00:25:49,279 --> 00:25:52,640
so forth. The body really can't do those things. And

525
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:54,720
the body of the nerve endings are right at the

526
00:25:54,799 --> 00:25:57,880
edge of the body. So when you're nervous, the last

527
00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,640
thing you want to try to do is to do

528
00:25:59,720 --> 00:26:03,880
something with your fingertips or your hands. It's just not doable.

529
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,799
You know when your handshake when you get nervous, but

530
00:26:05,839 --> 00:26:08,359
your chest doesn't shake. Okay, So if you can take

531
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:10,680
that club and trap it across your chest and then

532
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:12,599
the only way that that arm can move is for

533
00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:15,039
your chest to rotate, that clubhead is going to be

534
00:26:15,039 --> 00:26:17,720
in the same position time in and time again. I mean,

535
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,799
I'm writing a book, I'm going to China. I run

536
00:26:21,839 --> 00:26:23,839
a golf management program, and the coach of the Ben's

537
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,759
golf team. I don't have any time to go out

538
00:26:25,759 --> 00:26:28,160
there and hit balls. Okay, but when I go out

539
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:30,920
to hit golf balls and to demonstrate this. There is

540
00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:32,559
no question in my mind that I can take a

541
00:26:32,640 --> 00:26:35,000
driver out seven iron witch. I don't care what it is.

542
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:36,519
I'm going to hit it one way. I'm going to

543
00:26:36,599 --> 00:26:38,920
hit it straight. Now. I may tow it a little bit,

544
00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,519
I may heal it a little bit, but the ball

545
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,319
is going to hold its line because my club head

546
00:26:43,519 --> 00:26:45,359
is not turning over, it's not tumbling.

547
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,079
Speaker 2: Just not a lot of spin on the ball when

548
00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:48,519
you hit it.

549
00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 4: No, I don't have any side spin at all. That's

550
00:26:52,480 --> 00:26:54,359
what I'm telling you. I don't have any side spin

551
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,400
on my golf ball. My ball doesn't draw, my ball

552
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:59,960
doesn't fade. My ball goes right or left a little bit,

553
00:27:00,279 --> 00:27:02,680
but never to the point where it would ever be

554
00:27:03,920 --> 00:27:08,880
in the rough. Okay, And unfortunately for me, I learned

555
00:27:08,880 --> 00:27:13,440
this to to at an advanced age. I don't I

556
00:27:13,440 --> 00:27:16,599
don't have the desire to compete, but I really have

557
00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,200
the desire to pass this on. Now. I can tell you,

558
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:21,640
as a golf coach, a lot of the young men

559
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,000
that come to me, they have they're pretty good players,

560
00:27:24,039 --> 00:27:27,079
I mean plus ones and scratch and so forth, and

561
00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,839
when they hear this and they don't hear it from

562
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,119
a lot of people because this is kind of this

563
00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:35,119
is not new, but it hasn't been talked about. Let's

564
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:39,039
put it that way. They're always very suspect, and as

565
00:27:39,079 --> 00:27:41,079
I tell them, look, I am not going to try

566
00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:43,480
to change the way you think or to play. I'm

567
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,200
going to just show you the way I play and think,

568
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:48,319
and then you make your own mind up on what

569
00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:51,480
you want to do, because I don't want to disrupt

570
00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,880
anybody in their game. And obviously there's a lot of

571
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:57,079
ways to play this game, but I think I've found

572
00:27:57,119 --> 00:27:59,720
a way that really makes it easy for the advanced

573
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,759
player as well as a high handicapper. I think they

574
00:28:02,799 --> 00:28:06,319
both profit from this. I mean I I I would

575
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,279
get on the golf chair, I would talk to whoever

576
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,359
on the tour and not be a little bit nervous

577
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,960
about what it's about telling him this, because if they're

578
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:16,480
an arm swinger, I can improve them. It's just it's

579
00:28:16,519 --> 00:28:17,200
just that simple.

580
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:19,519
Speaker 2: Wow, now you you mentioned that.

581
00:28:20,599 --> 00:28:23,160
Speaker 3: Well, one of the things that it says in the

582
00:28:23,160 --> 00:28:27,279
Hogan's book is that the beginning of the downswing transfers

583
00:28:27,279 --> 00:28:28,960
the weight from the right foot to the left foot.

584
00:28:29,519 --> 00:28:31,519
Speaker 4: Well, Hogan said, the first move of the down swing

585
00:28:31,559 --> 00:28:34,519
is to clear your left side. Okay, if your weight's

586
00:28:34,519 --> 00:28:36,519
on your right foot and you rotate your left side,

587
00:28:36,519 --> 00:28:38,279
you're on your right foot when you're hitting the golf ball.

588
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,839
And that's why a lot of people, when they took

589
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:45,519
his words verbatim, they could hit the golf ball because

590
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:49,240
because he left out the parrot. The part in the

591
00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:52,079
letter I have by Ben Hogan to a friend about

592
00:28:52,079 --> 00:28:56,680
how to hit the driver, he states emphatically, at the

593
00:28:56,720 --> 00:28:59,240
top of my swinging, my weights on the instep of

594
00:28:59,279 --> 00:29:02,720
my left foot, not my right foot, my left foot.

595
00:29:02,799 --> 00:29:05,039
And when the first time I read that, I just

596
00:29:05,319 --> 00:29:08,079
blinked and said, well, Ben must have had a cocktail

597
00:29:08,119 --> 00:29:12,480
that day and or maybe a little dyslexia kicked in,

598
00:29:12,799 --> 00:29:16,279
but he meant right foot. And then as I continued

599
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,799
my research and looked at film of him, and then

600
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:22,160
saw quotes where he told Mike Austin, who was a

601
00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:25,559
pro from Los Angeles, from now on, I'm going to

602
00:29:25,599 --> 00:29:28,279
play off the left side. And then one time I'm

603
00:29:28,319 --> 00:29:31,079
with a conversation with Lee Trevino, Lee said, I've seen

604
00:29:31,119 --> 00:29:32,799
a lot of great players play off the left side.

605
00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:35,240
I've never seen anybody great that stayed for any length

606
00:29:35,279 --> 00:29:37,720
of time on the right side. But I didn't understand

607
00:29:37,759 --> 00:29:39,960
what he was talking about, and like most people, I

608
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,400
was too embarrassed to say, I don't know what you

609
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,759
mean by that. So through this period of time, this

610
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,720
learning experience, and then also there was a lot of

611
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:51,880
self doubt. Who am I? Who am I to say

612
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:56,440
some of these guys are wrong? But then when Jack

613
00:29:56,519 --> 00:29:59,960
Nicholas made a quote in Golf Digest after the second

614
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:02,039
so people pointed out to him that he was staying

615
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:05,079
on his left side. Jack made the statement, and it

616
00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:08,039
was a very you know, brash statement. He said, anyone

617
00:30:08,079 --> 00:30:09,799
that teaches you to shift your weight on your right

618
00:30:09,839 --> 00:30:13,200
foot on the backswing doesn't know how to teach well.

619
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,279
Led Metter and a lot of these guys hairsit straight up. Okay.

620
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,880
And I know when I first wrote, you know, when

621
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:22,000
I was writing my book some excerpts of it. When

622
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:27,000
in the local sportsbook here a little golf book, a

623
00:30:27,039 --> 00:30:30,759
couple of pros wrote skating reviews of what I said.

624
00:30:31,079 --> 00:30:34,759
You're insane, You're a fraud, blah blah blah. You know,

625
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:37,279
in the South side of Chicago, and me wanted to

626
00:30:37,519 --> 00:30:40,799
go over there. And punch somebody in the nose. But

627
00:30:41,119 --> 00:30:44,079
you know, at my age, I watched that stuff. So

628
00:30:44,559 --> 00:30:47,079
I just wrote back. I just wrote that, and I

629
00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:49,400
just said, well, you have your you know, you have

630
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,319
the right. I don't think you should slander me, but

631
00:30:51,559 --> 00:30:55,720
you have the right to not agree. But but Al

632
00:30:55,799 --> 00:30:58,839
Geiberger and Jack Nicholas agreed with me, and that's pretty

633
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:02,279
that's good enough for me. Yeah, but there really was

634
00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:04,039
a lot of self done. I must say to you

635
00:31:04,559 --> 00:31:07,079
that you know, I've been a hand player all my life.

636
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,759
I had no formal training. I was a kid and

637
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:11,680
I caddied like most of us did from my era,

638
00:31:12,039 --> 00:31:13,599
and that's how we learned to play golf. We got

639
00:31:13,599 --> 00:31:15,880
to play on Mondays at Caddy's Day and we had

640
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,079
hand me down clubs, but we prevailed. And because I

641
00:31:19,079 --> 00:31:20,920
could play baseball pretty good and I was kind of

642
00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:23,480
blessed with eye hand coordination, I got to the point

643
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,039
where I can play in a tour event, not to

644
00:31:26,039 --> 00:31:28,599
stay out there, but I was good enough to qualify,

645
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,559
let's put at that point. But the game was always

646
00:31:31,599 --> 00:31:34,400
elusive for me, and I just said, I just came

647
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,559
to the conclusion, well, I'm just not good enough I've

648
00:31:36,599 --> 00:31:39,200
put my tie in, but I'm just not good enough

649
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:43,279
and I just didn't understand connection and rotation. And then

650
00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:45,519
a lot of people think that Jimmy Ballard was the

651
00:31:45,519 --> 00:31:47,119
one that was the first one to say that, but

652
00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:50,519
that's really not true. I've got books that were written

653
00:31:50,519 --> 00:31:53,680
in the twenties and thirties that talked about connection and rotation.

654
00:31:53,799 --> 00:31:56,160
And there was an argument at the time. Do you

655
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,240
face the ball when you're hitting it or are you

656
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:00,400
facing the target when you hit it? Because your face

657
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,359
on the ball, your arms have to cross over in

658
00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,680
front of you when you when your body's facing the target,

659
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:06,640
then your your arms are being pulled by the body,

660
00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:10,240
so that this this this argument has gone gone on

661
00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:14,240
for a while. Okay, and Hogan, you know, he was

662
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,279
a very bright man. He had like I S one

663
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:20,119
seventy five IQ, so he was close to genius. He

664
00:32:20,119 --> 00:32:22,799
he figured it out, He got a thought and figured

665
00:32:22,839 --> 00:32:25,559
it out and worked on it. And I don't think

666
00:32:25,559 --> 00:32:30,000
he ever really divulged his secret. But you can see

667
00:32:30,039 --> 00:32:33,119
it in his later film. You can see it so clearly.

668
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,000
You can see his rear end is totally on his

669
00:32:36,079 --> 00:32:39,839
left leg, as was Nicholas. Even though Nicholas hoisted the

670
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:42,640
club upright and Hogan took it around him. They were

671
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:46,039
still against that brace. And I think that that is,

672
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:49,160
you know, the playoff of one axis is it really

673
00:32:49,519 --> 00:32:52,640
eliminates a lot of the air made on the transitional

674
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,359
move and then the coupi gra on. That is, if

675
00:32:55,359 --> 00:32:57,079
you can keep your left arm connected high on the

676
00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,640
chest so that the movement of the body rotation brings

677
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,480
the arm into impact, then you got the best of everything.

678
00:33:03,759 --> 00:33:06,759
And that's what we teach. I mean, there's some finite

679
00:33:06,799 --> 00:33:08,359
things like when you set up to the ball, your

680
00:33:08,440 --> 00:33:10,079
right hip has to be on the inside of your

681
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,880
right foot head address, and then when you go sixty

682
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,880
four do you find that the left hip has to

683
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:16,640
be in line with the outside of the left foot.

684
00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:19,119
So the legs are going to be reactionary to this

685
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,920
winning You're not gonna have to drive the legs. You're

686
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,079
not gonna have to move the lower body and then

687
00:33:24,119 --> 00:33:27,200
the upper body and all that stuff. That's all very

688
00:33:27,319 --> 00:33:32,319
very difficult. And really when we use the legs for power,

689
00:33:33,359 --> 00:33:36,200
that leverage comes from the ground up. It doesn't. It

690
00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:39,799
doesn't come when we're when we're moving laterally, we're actually

691
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:43,119
not totally on the ground. So the more you're grounded,

692
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,400
the more power you can get from your legs. But

693
00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:47,559
your legs have to be in a certain position so

694
00:33:47,599 --> 00:33:50,240
that you can so that they can stay grounded as

695
00:33:50,279 --> 00:33:55,519
you rotate the top part and then they just react. Unfortunately,

696
00:33:56,119 --> 00:33:59,319
you can't see what I'm saying, but hopefully your listeners

697
00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:01,680
are getting a labor for this. And and you're.

698
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:02,920
Speaker 2: Being very descriptive. It's good.

699
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 3: I mean, if if you know, don't not while you're driving,

700
00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:07,359
of course, but if you can close your eyes and listen,

701
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:09,000
you can visualize a lot of what you're saying.

702
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, because this is this is really important, and I

703
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,320
mean it's really important if you're if you're if you

704
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:18,079
love the game I do, and you want to improve.

705
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:20,960
And the beautiful part about this cool concept is you

706
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,920
can do it from your chip shot to your drive.

707
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:27,960
It's the same exact concept. You you are connected at

708
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,119
the left arm and you rotate your body through the

709
00:34:31,159 --> 00:34:34,320
target and it pulls a club through. The club can't

710
00:34:34,400 --> 00:34:37,559
turn over, and you're going to hit really wonderful shots.

711
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,519
And we're not trying to stay behind the ball, We're

712
00:34:40,519 --> 00:34:43,679
trying to move through the golf ball. Again, that's another concept.

713
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,440
See when you drop your right shoulder down, your head

714
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,920
goes backwards, it goes away from the target. Your body

715
00:34:49,000 --> 00:34:51,000
arches and your hands turnover and you hit the golf ball.

716
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,400
But the true rotational person doesn't drop down and hit

717
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,199
the ball. His right side stays level and he and

718
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,599
he just slams his right side through that golf ball.

719
00:35:01,599 --> 00:35:05,599
He hits it, hits through the golf ball, his right

720
00:35:05,639 --> 00:35:08,599
side goes past the ball. If you're using the golf ball.

721
00:35:08,599 --> 00:35:10,760
And this is what I tell all my students. The

722
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:14,800
golf balls a line. It's just a point of reference

723
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,880
to align your club hit at the target. But you've

724
00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,960
got to move past that line. Your divot has to

725
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,519
be on the other side of that line. It can't

726
00:35:21,559 --> 00:35:23,880
be behind that line when you put your golf club

727
00:35:23,920 --> 00:35:26,159
behind the ball. If you brought the club right to

728
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:28,480
that spot each and every time, you'd be hitting the

729
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,480
ball fat because the club sets behind the golf ball.

730
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:34,039
So we've got to catch that ball and then the

731
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:36,360
divit forward of it. Okay, so we've got to be

732
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,800
moving through it. The more underneath you work. For all

733
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:41,000
the people that hit it, thin and fat and thin

734
00:35:41,119 --> 00:35:44,000
and fat you're behind the ball, so you have to

735
00:35:44,039 --> 00:35:47,079
be in position to hit the ball with power. And

736
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:49,440
most people are behind the ball too far, so the

737
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:52,480
only thing they can fire is their hands, and they

738
00:35:52,559 --> 00:35:55,199
hit and fall back. They step back in the box

739
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,559
like a lot of baseball players used to do. I mean,

740
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:02,000
that move is prevalent in golf. There's PhDs with that movement.

741
00:36:02,039 --> 00:36:02,719
I can tell you that.

742
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 3: This seems to be your creation, your discovery, not of

743
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,360
your creation. Obviously you're you're basing it on on what

744
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,039
you're watching from Hogan. But even if you uh were

745
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,519
to put in a search engine on the internet, single

746
00:36:22,559 --> 00:36:24,559
pivot swing, it's going to pop back up with stack

747
00:36:24,639 --> 00:36:25,079
and tilt.

748
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:28,440
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, and it's not. And believe me when I

749
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,400
tell you the only similarity is that we we set

750
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:34,519
up more weight left. But that's the only similarity. Stack

751
00:36:34,599 --> 00:36:37,440
until is totally different than what I do. And God

752
00:36:37,440 --> 00:36:41,440
bless them, that's that's their method. I don't I don't

753
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,960
talk about their method because it's it's not my method

754
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,559
and it's not what I believe. And I'm sure they're

755
00:36:46,599 --> 00:36:48,760
just as passionate about their method. Heck, they wrote a

756
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:52,079
book and and and they did a tape. But I can.

757
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:56,519
I can honestly tell you that when my article article

758
00:36:56,599 --> 00:36:58,880
came out and Golf illustrated, I got a lot of

759
00:36:59,639 --> 00:37:02,760
email from people that bought their book and bought their

760
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,679
tapes and said, I can't do this. It hurts my back.

761
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,119
But when I tried your method, I could hit the ball.

762
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,159
Now does that mean I'm right? No, It just means

763
00:37:11,199 --> 00:37:14,760
that some people think that my method is easier. I

764
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:18,320
do know one thing. Ben Hogan rotated through the golf ball.

765
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:23,440
He didn't tilt. He was stacked. He was what we

766
00:37:23,519 --> 00:37:25,360
call posted, straight up and down. When he hit a

767
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:29,000
golf ball, he did not tilt back. His chest was

768
00:37:29,079 --> 00:37:31,719
left with the target, and he was always in perfect balance.

769
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,079
He didn't go down and search for that golf ball.

770
00:37:35,079 --> 00:37:37,880
He didn't need to do that. He could turn to

771
00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,039
the ball. He cleared his right side and his early swings,

772
00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:45,400
he was very long with the swing, and his swing

773
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,679
looked the same, but there was a big change to

774
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:52,400
his golf swing. His knee position was more towards the ball.

775
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,400
As he turned. In his later years, his knee jetted

776
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:58,519
straight out to the left foot, as did a gentleman

777
00:37:58,559 --> 00:38:01,480
by the name of James Barn in the twenties with

778
00:38:02,239 --> 00:38:07,119
Hickory Chefts. So again, that wasn't Hogan's invention. It was

779
00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:11,159
I'm sure Ben found that if when his knee worked

780
00:38:11,159 --> 00:38:14,920
that way, he was more balanced and braced, because that's

781
00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:17,440
the whole key here, is that your body has to

782
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,239
be ready to make a really athletic move, and when

783
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,039
it's drifting right and drifting left like a willow, there's

784
00:38:23,079 --> 00:38:24,280
nothing athletic about that.

785
00:38:25,519 --> 00:38:27,559
Speaker 3: And one of the things that you haven't mentioned yet

786
00:38:28,159 --> 00:38:32,760
as a comparison or even its relevance, are the other

787
00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:36,440
terms that we hear so frequently are the single, single

788
00:38:36,599 --> 00:38:38,480
and two plane swing.

789
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:44,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, and Jim Hardy is it Jim Hardy? Yeah,

790
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,559
he wrote the book on plane swing on the single

791
00:38:47,559 --> 00:38:50,320
plane swing, and he's a very fine teacher, and he

792
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:52,320
even shows that Hogan got a little bit on his

793
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:56,559
left side when he does his demonstrations. You know, I

794
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:00,800
believe that the body rotation puts the club in a

795
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:04,000
position just like when you're going to throw a baseball.

796
00:39:04,239 --> 00:39:07,159
You kind of wind up, but there's no specific position

797
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:09,079
that you put your arm, and your arm goes to

798
00:39:09,119 --> 00:39:11,199
a place where your body feels strong so that you

799
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:14,239
can make a hard throw, and I think the golfing

800
00:39:14,800 --> 00:39:16,519
it has to be that way. I think that when

801
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,360
we set up properly, and if we're not changing our

802
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:22,000
spine angle, if we just rotate the body and keep

803
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:24,039
the arms connected to the body, that they're going to

804
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:27,000
find the position that you should be in. I have

805
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:28,960
never believed that you should try to get your wrist

806
00:39:29,039 --> 00:39:31,320
hinged at the top or flat at the top. I

807
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:36,000
think that I think that that hurts people primarily because

808
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:39,599
they're thinking about their hands and their position, and you

809
00:39:39,639 --> 00:39:41,400
can't shut that off. At the top, you're going to

810
00:39:41,519 --> 00:39:43,639
be thinking about your hands and trying to get that

811
00:39:43,719 --> 00:39:47,440
club flat at impact. And I've got scores of film

812
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:49,599
of me hitting the golf ball where my left wrist

813
00:39:49,639 --> 00:39:52,400
is flat, and I can tell you that I have

814
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:56,679
never tried to get left wrist flat. I believe lag

815
00:39:57,079 --> 00:40:01,559
and all of that are they're the consequence of doing

816
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:04,400
something before that. So as I rotate and that club

817
00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,559
is being pulled, that club is going to be lagged

818
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:09,360
and my left wrist will have to be flat. When

819
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:12,880
my body stops and the club goes forward, that's when

820
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:15,400
my left rist is going to hinge and it's going

821
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,519
to cup. That's when you hit the ball weak, but

822
00:40:17,599 --> 00:40:20,599
that's because the body stopped. Okay, but there's no way

823
00:40:20,599 --> 00:40:22,000
that you can bring your arms out and try to

824
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,320
keep your left wrist flat. I mean, that's insanity. I

825
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,960
see people hurt themselves doing that and they hit everything

826
00:40:28,000 --> 00:40:31,400
weak right, And yet there are people that are teaching

827
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:34,639
that today. And you know, that's one of the things

828
00:40:34,639 --> 00:40:37,000
that I've always said. I'm a pgm ember since nineteen

829
00:40:37,039 --> 00:40:40,039
sixty five, and not one person from the PGA has

830
00:40:40,039 --> 00:40:41,639
ever come over and said, Okay, let me see what

831
00:40:41,639 --> 00:40:43,840
you're doing to make sure you're not making people crazy here.

832
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,599
And I think that a lot. There's are art teachers

833
00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:50,719
that are teaching out of a book and they're just

834
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:54,119
not cognizant them Why things happen. There is cause and effect,

835
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,480
and the left risk being flat of impact is an

836
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,639
effect of something else. It is not because you purposely

837
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:02,480
try to keep your left frist flat. I mean, that's

838
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:05,440
just that's ludicrous. You're moving too fast. There's too much

839
00:41:05,480 --> 00:41:07,639
weight forward, especially when you have a driver in your hand.

840
00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:11,119
Even though it may be fifteen ounces or so, the

841
00:41:11,159 --> 00:41:14,199
weight of that clubhead is enormous as it's moving through

842
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,559
time and if you're if you're if your body stops,

843
00:41:17,880 --> 00:41:20,559
that weight is gonna is gonna flip your hands you,

844
00:41:20,760 --> 00:41:22,960
I don't care how strong you are, they're gonna, they're gonna,

845
00:41:23,039 --> 00:41:25,199
they're gonna cup. And that's why a lot of people

846
00:41:25,199 --> 00:41:26,599
when they go to hit the ball hard, they hit

847
00:41:26,639 --> 00:41:28,440
that sky shot, they go straight up in the air

848
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,599
and they get that mark on the top of their club.

849
00:41:31,039 --> 00:41:32,440
I know there's a lot of people out there now

850
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:32,960
nodding there.

851
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,920
Speaker 2: I'm raising my hand. I'm one of those people.

852
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, Okay, that's because you pull the club down steep,

853
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,639
the clubhead turns over and you make contact with the

854
00:41:41,679 --> 00:41:44,880
top of the club, not the face the top. Okay, well,

855
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,960
that's because the body is still and the arms are down.

856
00:41:49,199 --> 00:41:52,239
They're coming down and nothing is releasing except the arms.

857
00:41:52,679 --> 00:41:55,360
I can remember so many times when I, you know,

858
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:57,719
I'm from another era. I played with per Simon woods

859
00:41:58,079 --> 00:42:00,719
and I'd have these pure woods and I'd take I

860
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,800
try on a par five to kill the ball, and

861
00:42:02,840 --> 00:42:05,280
there there'd be a big white spot on on the

862
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:07,480
top of my club. And I just hated myself for that.

863
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:10,039
But I never knew why I did it. I always

864
00:42:10,039 --> 00:42:12,159
thought it was going underneath the ball, but you can't

865
00:42:12,159 --> 00:42:12,920
go under the ball.

866
00:42:13,119 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

867
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:15,159
Speaker 3: How many times you see people go, you know, I

868
00:42:15,199 --> 00:42:18,239
need to tee it up higher. Yeah, change change their

869
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,559
tea position after they do that.

870
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 4: It's nothing about that. So all of those things, the

871
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,400
golf God was whispering my ear. Hey, you see what

872
00:42:27,519 --> 00:42:32,360
you just did? You know why? And finally, my inquisitive nature,

873
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:36,639
and I was driven by the passion not to play

874
00:42:36,639 --> 00:42:39,639
any better anymore, but to be able to teach people.

875
00:42:39,800 --> 00:42:41,679
And also when I want to demonstrate, I don't have

876
00:42:41,679 --> 00:42:43,960
to think, God, hopeing will shank this one or something

877
00:42:44,000 --> 00:42:46,239
like that. I mean, I don't have those thoughts anymore,

878
00:42:46,320 --> 00:42:49,599
especially when my kids are all, like I say, really

879
00:42:49,639 --> 00:42:52,920
solid players. I've got a fifteen year old that's blasted

880
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:55,639
in the sixties all the time, and he hits about

881
00:42:55,679 --> 00:42:58,320
three twenty off the tee and he's fifteen years old.

882
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,400
I want to slap him when I'm trying to tell

883
00:43:01,519 --> 00:43:04,239
him to do this a little bit more. I've got

884
00:43:04,239 --> 00:43:06,039
to get up there and be able to produce. I've

885
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:07,760
got to get up there and say, Okay, we'll watch this.

886
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:09,320
I'm going to hit this fire and it's going to

887
00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:11,440
be dead straight. I'm going to hit that yellow flag

888
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:12,880
and I'm going to make it fall right just a

889
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,800
little bit. And I can do that. I have no

890
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,119
fear about doing that in front of anybody, because I

891
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:21,719
know there's a mathematical thing going on. If my left

892
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:24,480
arm is trapped against my chest and I rotate my chest,

893
00:43:24,559 --> 00:43:26,880
my club's coming into that ball square. So if I

894
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:31,639
align myself properly and those conditions stay in place, I'm

895
00:43:31,639 --> 00:43:33,719
going to hit that ball. Now. Have I ever hit

896
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,239
it when I was trying to do this? Have I

897
00:43:35,280 --> 00:43:38,239
ever pulled one or push one? Absolutely, but I knew

898
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,400
exactly what happened, and I'll say my arms went first

899
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:43,639
that time and I reconnect bam. I hit it perfect.

900
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,159
So there's no doubt in my mind that this works.

901
00:43:47,199 --> 00:43:50,760
There's no doubt in my mind that anybody can do this, male, female,

902
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:54,840
young or old. And I think that it's I think

903
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,119
it's what the Master figured out. And I've just kind

904
00:43:58,119 --> 00:44:02,199
of add little signature things in there that that I

905
00:44:02,199 --> 00:44:04,599
think are very really you know that that relate to

906
00:44:04,639 --> 00:44:06,159
what he was trying to do. And then make it

907
00:44:06,199 --> 00:44:09,519
easier again. The setup. You have to be set up

908
00:44:09,559 --> 00:44:12,599
against the wall against the brace and you can't you

909
00:44:12,639 --> 00:44:15,480
can't let your lower body go underneath your top top

910
00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:17,639
of you. So the slides under because it's got a

911
00:44:17,719 --> 00:44:19,840
slide back the other way. And then you're just you're

912
00:44:19,920 --> 00:44:22,440
you know, you're in Chinatown. I mean, it's it's it's

913
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:26,760
over sell the clubs, buy a dog, go for a walk.

914
00:44:27,199 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 2: If you're going to go for a walk, don't hit anything.

915
00:44:29,239 --> 00:44:34,079
Speaker 3: So so well, you mentioned how you know, when you

916
00:44:34,119 --> 00:44:36,199
talked about popping the ball up off the tee, and

917
00:44:36,199 --> 00:44:38,960
then everyone always has advice about where your tea placement was.

918
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:45,199
The Other thing that I frequently see from from armchair

919
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,960
golf instructors are the people who say, oh, you lifted

920
00:44:49,000 --> 00:44:49,360
your head.

921
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,639
Speaker 2: Oh you lifted your head. Oh you lifted your head.

922
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:55,800
Speaker 4: And that's just insanity. You know. I tell I show people,

923
00:44:56,280 --> 00:44:58,440
you know, I have a number of because in a

924
00:44:58,480 --> 00:45:00,760
golf management program, there's a lot of boys that came

925
00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,079
in to learn the business, but they're not really skilled

926
00:45:03,119 --> 00:45:07,079
in golf. They're double digit handicaps. And I get them

927
00:45:07,079 --> 00:45:08,480
out there and I, you know, I try to feed

928
00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:11,519
them a little bit of this and try to help them.

929
00:45:11,679 --> 00:45:14,119
And they topped the ball on occasion and they say

930
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:16,199
to them, you know why you top that golfley say, well,

931
00:45:16,239 --> 00:45:18,559
I looked up and I sa, are you sure? Are

932
00:45:18,559 --> 00:45:20,039
you sure? You looked up? And they see why? Yeah,

933
00:45:20,039 --> 00:45:21,679
I looked up and I said, well, let me show

934
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:23,559
you something. You watch my head. I'm gonna be I'm

935
00:45:23,559 --> 00:45:25,639
gonna hold my head dead's still, and you're going to

936
00:45:25,679 --> 00:45:27,000
see my eyes are going to be a neck gulp

937
00:45:27,039 --> 00:45:28,719
ball and I'm going to hit the very top of

938
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:30,719
that golf ball. Now you know, I don't have time

939
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:33,239
enough to swing this club seventy miles an hour with

940
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:35,800
an iron and hit the very top of that skin.

941
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,320
But I'm going to do that, and I'll top that ball.

942
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:40,400
I'll make a really hard swing and then the ball

943
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,760
will go four or five feet and they'll say, how'd

944
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:45,360
you do that? It was really easy. I anticipated impact.

945
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:49,079
So what happens when you anticipate the impact you clinch.

946
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,199
So when you tighten your hands, your arms get shorter,

947
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:55,280
they pull in towards you, and that's why you top

948
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,320
the golf ball. So for people out there that are

949
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,159
top it a lot, especially with that faraway wood, it's

950
00:46:00,199 --> 00:46:02,840
because they're hitting to the golf ball. So there's only

951
00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:05,519
one cure for this. You got to be brave. Number one.

952
00:46:05,519 --> 00:46:06,920
You got to set up to that golf ball so

953
00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:08,440
that you don't get way behind it and then you're

954
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,599
trying to catch up. You kind of focus on where

955
00:46:11,639 --> 00:46:14,000
you're going to go with your body and the club

956
00:46:14,039 --> 00:46:16,159
head and not the golf ball. So when you get

957
00:46:16,159 --> 00:46:19,280
it the coil, let's just say that's phase one of

958
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:21,760
a two part swing. Then you got to unwind to

959
00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:25,519
the second part and hold that position. Look, you know,

960
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,400
look pretty, look like someone's taking a picture of your

961
00:46:28,400 --> 00:46:31,199
follow through. And if you get your mind off of impact,

962
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:33,840
then you'll quit trying to hit and when you hit,

963
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:37,639
you won't have that response. So for everyone that's top

964
00:46:37,679 --> 00:46:40,320
of the ball, I can promise you you're tightening up,

965
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:41,199
not looking up.

966
00:46:44,079 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 3: That is phenomenal observation. We even had a listener right

967
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,719
me and said once that his dad always used to

968
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,360
say to him, if you lift your head, the only

969
00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:54,199
thing you're going to see is.

970
00:46:54,159 --> 00:46:55,119
Speaker 2: A bad golf shot.

971
00:47:01,639 --> 00:47:04,159
Speaker 3: When I watch Annika, it always looks like she's lifting

972
00:47:04,159 --> 00:47:05,480
her head before she hits the ball.

973
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 4: Well, she looks like she was looking at the target

974
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,000
because she rotated her body and because her head and

975
00:47:10,039 --> 00:47:14,559
eyes moved towards were moving following the ball. That's another thing.

976
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:16,480
You don't stay down when you hit a golf ball.

977
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,320
You let your eyes release. You have to because if

978
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,639
your head is looking to the right and you're trying

979
00:47:21,639 --> 00:47:24,559
to turn left, your head is going to block your rotation.

980
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:27,960
So you've got to release your eyes. I mean that's

981
00:47:28,039 --> 00:47:31,440
been said forever. There's a lot of great players. But

982
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:34,320
Anika David did the ball at one time, and it's

983
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,760
a shame that he moved away from his original swing,

984
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:40,400
but he was that left arm was so across the chest.

985
00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:42,639
He had that club face shut at the top. But

986
00:47:42,679 --> 00:47:45,360
it didn't really matter because he just rotated through the

987
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:48,639
golf ball and his eyes were really down the target line.

988
00:47:48,639 --> 00:47:50,360
When he was hitting the golf ball, he was looking

989
00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:52,880
where he wanted the ball to go. And Anika did

990
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:58,360
the same thing becausefully in your spine angle, you don't

991
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,159
want to focus on the golf ball anyway. I mean,

992
00:48:00,440 --> 00:48:03,159
they're old saying a good player sense where the ball

993
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,880
is and bad players stare at it. And there's a

994
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:10,400
lot to be said about that, because if you get

995
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:13,079
stuck looking at that golf baller looking at a dimple

996
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:15,599
on that ball and all that blowing that we've been

997
00:48:15,639 --> 00:48:18,440
told to do. You're gonna stay on that ball and

998
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:21,199
you're gonna shut down your swing because the ball is

999
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:23,079
not the golf swing. The ball is the center of

1000
00:48:23,079 --> 00:48:26,599
the swing. You're going to decelerate like crazy if you're

1001
00:48:26,639 --> 00:48:28,280
focusing on the back of the ball or anything, and

1002
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:30,840
you gonna use your hands. Your body's gonna stay behind

1003
00:48:30,840 --> 00:48:32,760
the ball. I mean, you're going to be You're going

1004
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:35,559
to be just still when you're hitting it instead of active.

1005
00:48:35,960 --> 00:48:39,880
And that's why so many people hits so short. I mean,

1006
00:48:39,920 --> 00:48:42,000
I had a guy recently come up to me about

1007
00:48:42,039 --> 00:48:44,159
six foot three and he says, well, I you know,

1008
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:45,760
I'm fairly new at the game. I've been played about

1009
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,519
a year. I said, okay, well tell me a bout you.

1010
00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:49,159
So how far do you hit a How far do

1011
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:50,760
you hit a driver? He says, oh, I hit about

1012
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,960
one sixty five, one seventy And I said, you should

1013
00:48:53,960 --> 00:48:55,880
be able to throw it that far for God's sake,

1014
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:58,880
with your size. And when I got through with him,

1015
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:02,760
you know, he was two thirty two forty because side

1016
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:04,639
was there the length, you know, he had a very

1017
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,840
long arm and then a club on top of it.

1018
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,400
So he had a huge lever, but he didn't know

1019
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:13,519
what to do with the lever. And so all of

1020
00:49:13,559 --> 00:49:18,480
these things you know, are are they all relat If

1021
00:49:18,519 --> 00:49:20,519
your body's in the wrong position. I don't care how

1022
00:49:20,559 --> 00:49:23,480
strong you are, you can't hit the golf ball very far.

1023
00:49:23,559 --> 00:49:26,119
I used to give lessons to gene Upjaw years and

1024
00:49:26,199 --> 00:49:28,639
years ago when he was with the Open Raiders. Jeane

1025
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,599
was a massive man. I weigh one hundred and fifty

1026
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:35,480
pounds and I just drilled it by him, I mean

1027
00:49:35,639 --> 00:49:39,000
one hundred yards okay, And he'd say, how can you

1028
00:49:39,079 --> 00:49:40,840
hit it so far? My leg's bigger than you. Didn't

1029
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:43,320
blah blah blah. But when he got to when he

1030
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:47,599
got right, when he figured out where to be instinctively

1031
00:49:47,639 --> 00:49:49,480
because he was an athlete, you know, he hit it

1032
00:49:49,519 --> 00:49:53,320
two miles And I didn't know all of this then.

1033
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,239
But you get there. Every now and then, do you

1034
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,239
understand what I mean? Every now and then you clock one,

1035
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,920
you say, what did I do there? Your body is

1036
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:03,320
in the place. Well, now I know where that place is.

1037
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,519
That's the thing. I know. We'll put you and you're

1038
00:50:06,519 --> 00:50:08,920
gonna you're gonna hit the ball farther. You're going to

1039
00:50:09,000 --> 00:50:12,639
hit the ball straighter, and it's it's and it's not hard.

1040
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:14,760
I have people say, well, how many lessons do I have?

1041
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,320
And I say one, maybe two, and then then then

1042
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:19,920
I can pass it. I'm pass it on to you,

1043
00:50:19,920 --> 00:50:21,880
and then you'll know every time you hit the golf ball,

1044
00:50:22,360 --> 00:50:24,440
what that ball is doing will tell you what you

1045
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:25,679
did or did not do.

1046
00:50:26,679 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 3: Well, we're gonna come down to Palm Springs. I'm going

1047
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:30,960
to spend some time with you.

1048
00:50:30,960 --> 00:50:33,280
Speaker 4: Well, i'd problems you. It's not going to take a

1049
00:50:33,280 --> 00:50:35,480
lot of time. And you don't have to be a

1050
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,199
great athlete. You don't have to be young and springy.

1051
00:50:38,639 --> 00:50:41,199
You can you know, you can be just a regular

1052
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:43,760
guy that doesn't have eight hours to day to practice.

1053
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:45,039
And I'll show you. I'll show you how to hit

1054
00:50:45,079 --> 00:50:47,639
the ball and hit it solid. And I mean that's

1055
00:50:47,679 --> 00:50:48,920
a flat guarantee.

1056
00:50:50,159 --> 00:50:50,639
Speaker 2: I love it.

1057
00:50:50,960 --> 00:50:53,519
Speaker 3: I love that kind of flat guarantee. That is confidence,

1058
00:50:53,519 --> 00:50:55,840
and that's what the game is about. Having that confidence.

1059
00:50:56,519 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 4: Well, you know, you know, I've been at this a

1060
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,679
long time. I've you know, I made my bones. As

1061
00:51:01,679 --> 00:51:05,559
they say, I know how to teach golf and I've

1062
00:51:05,559 --> 00:51:07,400
been doing this since. You know, I've been a pros

1063
00:51:07,480 --> 00:51:11,840
in sixty five, but it's really the last fifteen years

1064
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:14,960
that I've learned how to swing the golf club. And

1065
00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,440
I just wish I had done this a little earlier

1066
00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,320
and really and where I really was sure it was right.

1067
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:23,639
It's probably been the last sixty seven years and now

1068
00:51:23,679 --> 00:51:26,400
I and now there's a couple of guys on the tour.

1069
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,079
I'm not going to mention, but I just wish I

1070
00:51:28,079 --> 00:51:30,840
could have a conversation with him. I don't want any money,

1071
00:51:30,880 --> 00:51:32,559
I don't want anything. I would, in fact, I would

1072
00:51:32,559 --> 00:51:37,920
do it anonymously, but unfortunately Egos they're not going to say, hey,

1073
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:39,920
there's a guy on a driver that could really help you.

1074
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,159
You know, it's just not going to happen. But just

1075
00:51:42,199 --> 00:51:43,280
for the sake of the game, you know.

1076
00:51:43,760 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 2: So when do you come back from China.

1077
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,039
Speaker 4: I'm going to be there a week. Hopefully that's going

1078
00:51:49,079 --> 00:51:52,000
to be all. I mean, I'm enamored with it, but

1079
00:51:52,039 --> 00:51:54,280
I have so much to do on this side of

1080
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,719
the pond. I've got to catch up. But I want

1081
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:03,519
to really try to to get some golf academies there

1082
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:07,400
and teach people how to operate a facility, because it

1083
00:52:07,440 --> 00:52:09,239
doesn't make sense to me that they're going to build

1084
00:52:09,239 --> 00:52:11,840
ten thousand golf courses in the next five or six years.

1085
00:52:11,840 --> 00:52:14,480
And that's the that's on the drawing board. That they

1086
00:52:14,519 --> 00:52:17,880
don't that their own people can't operate them. Doesn't make

1087
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,679
sense to me that they have to get somebody from

1088
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:23,039
Australia or America or whatever to run their golf course.

1089
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:26,719
So they should build their own base of employees, you know,

1090
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,360
so it benefits them just like we have we have here.

1091
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:31,440
We don't have to call someone in Australia to run

1092
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:33,599
a golf course here, and that's what they need. So

1093
00:52:33,599 --> 00:52:37,880
they need junior programs and they need some management program

1094
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,239
so they get an understanding. You know, this is not

1095
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:43,760
rocket science. The golf industry is a service oriented business.

1096
00:52:44,119 --> 00:52:46,639
To accommodate people. You anticipate what they're going to say

1097
00:52:46,679 --> 00:52:50,000
before they do it, and you're ready to form that accommodation.

1098
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,920
And that's it. Learning to fold the shirt or sell

1099
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,119
a set of clubs. Come on, we can all do that.

1100
00:52:55,559 --> 00:52:58,519
But the secret of this business is to make people

1101
00:52:58,519 --> 00:53:01,480
feel welcome and not when they walk through the door

1102
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:03,760
and look at them and say, well, that guy's not

1103
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,079
going to spend any money. You know, you don't qualify

1104
00:53:06,159 --> 00:53:08,840
people in this business, nor should you in life for

1105
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,480
that matter. But that's a secret of this business. And

1106
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:14,079
I've been lucky because that was taught to me as

1107
00:53:14,119 --> 00:53:16,400
a young man. And I've made a lot of money

1108
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:20,360
in the golf industry and times when people didn't make money,

1109
00:53:20,400 --> 00:53:24,320
and and you know, it's it's what I pass on

1110
00:53:24,360 --> 00:53:26,519
to mysch students so that they can go out there

1111
00:53:26,559 --> 00:53:27,800
and they can become successful.

1112
00:53:28,159 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 3: Well, if you receive two phone calls from the last

1113
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:34,960
episode that we barely even scratch the surface on the

1114
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:37,400
single pivot swing, I'm hoping you're going to get a

1115
00:53:37,440 --> 00:53:40,079
lot more emails and phone calls. I will make sure

1116
00:53:40,119 --> 00:53:43,840
to post your your email address on our blog site.

1117
00:53:44,199 --> 00:53:47,159
And you told me T Manzoni at College Oftheesert dot edu.

1118
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,079
Speaker 4: Correct, that's correct, And.

1119
00:53:49,960 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 3: Then let's let them contact you that way, unless you

1120
00:53:54,519 --> 00:53:56,480
want to give the phone number that I contacted you.

1121
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:57,639
Speaker 2: At this one.

1122
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,039
Speaker 4: If they want to, they can call me in my

1123
00:54:00,119 --> 00:54:03,280
cellular phone. If they don't agree with me, please don't

1124
00:54:03,360 --> 00:54:04,760
call me and call me a bunch of names.

1125
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 3: If you don't agree to call me, just get a

1126
00:54:09,039 --> 00:54:11,840
hold of me and my cell phone.

1127
00:54:12,119 --> 00:54:15,039
Speaker 4: My cell phone is seven to six zero five three

1128
00:54:15,119 --> 00:54:18,639
four three one nine zero, and you have my email,

1129
00:54:18,679 --> 00:54:21,719
and anyone that's interested in trying to find out more,

1130
00:54:22,159 --> 00:54:25,000
if they're a little bit confused, you know, and drop

1131
00:54:25,039 --> 00:54:26,599
me into or give me a call, and I'll be

1132
00:54:26,599 --> 00:54:28,440
happy to help them in any way that I can.

1133
00:54:28,599 --> 00:54:30,320
Speaker 3: Well, like I said, I'm going to try to come

1134
00:54:30,360 --> 00:54:33,880
down to the Palm Springs area around the first part

1135
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,960
of twenty eleven. And if I do and we get

1136
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:41,079
a chance to get together, I hope that you'll allow

1137
00:54:41,159 --> 00:54:43,719
me to bring a video camera and and maybe even

1138
00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:45,400
put a little bit on video on here so we

1139
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:47,920
can get that on golf Smarter TV too, to show people,

1140
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:51,760
because based on this information and the emails that I received,

1141
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:55,159
they want more information. They are intrigued by what you're

1142
00:54:55,199 --> 00:54:57,119
saying and want to know more, So we've got to

1143
00:54:57,159 --> 00:54:57,840
get it out there.

1144
00:54:58,519 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 4: Well, that's great, and I I appreciate, I really do

1145
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:05,079
appreciate the opportunity to tell you all this stuff because

1146
00:55:05,159 --> 00:55:07,800
it's it's it's it's like, you know, I feel like

1147
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,159
I have a lightning in a bottle right now and

1148
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:12,239
it's trying to get out, and I want to get

1149
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:16,719
it out, and not so much to praise myself, but

1150
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,320
to help people with this game, because it's such a

1151
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,960
fantastic game, and and to suffer with it like I

1152
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,000
know I did for many years is ridiculous. If you

1153
00:55:27,039 --> 00:55:30,800
get the right amount of information, it isn't that complicated.

1154
00:55:31,760 --> 00:55:35,039
We're not building a rocket here, Okay, we're swinging a club.

1155
00:55:35,159 --> 00:55:38,079
And if we just play on an access and rotate

1156
00:55:38,119 --> 00:55:40,519
around that access, it makes it so much easier