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Speaker 1: This is a podcast from Minute Media two three.

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Speaker 2: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Sherwin You Can't

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Be Serious podcast. This is d Graves and I am

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here with my friend and co host Jason Colvin. What's up, Jason?

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Speaker 3: Today we were talking about two iconic movies, one from

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the seventies and one from the eighties. I don't want

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to brag or anything, but I really do think that

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you can tell by the way we use our walk

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that we are women's men with no time to talk.

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Speaker 2: Well, I don't know, man, the way you talk it

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makes me feel like dancing.

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Speaker 3: Hopefully you guys will have a great time today as

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we dive into staying Alive and Dirty Dancing and trying

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to understand the New York Times.

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Speaker 2: Effect on men.

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Speaker 3: This is our first taste of the summer of eighty seven.

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We've got kind of a big summer coming up, and

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Dirty Dancing kind of hit in August of eighty seven.

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Speaker 2: Yep, so it's not really dead center summer. Yeah. These

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two movies are forty five years old and thirty five

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years old respectively this year, so it's super exciting to

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cover these two dancing icons. Before we jump in and

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start talking about the awesomeness that is these two movies.

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A few have become favorites, but only one has become

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listen to Jason de explore all the best in the seventies, eighties,

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Speaker 2: Wow, what a review. We have the best fans in

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the world, Shirley fans, be sure and take that challenge.

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But enough about us. Let's get to the podcast.

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Speaker 3: All right, Thanks guys for those awesome reviews, and now

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we're moving on. Just Saturday Night Fever Nut. Okay, Saturday

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Night Fevers the older movie.

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Speaker 2: Let's start with the older movie. It really begins with

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a new style of music called disco.

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Speaker 3: Tell me what disco is, dee, because I've heard it,

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I recognize it, but I don't know how to describe

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it articulated.

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Speaker 2: I am not a disco expert, but I can tell

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you that the origins can be traced to a beat

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called four on the floor and it's incredibly simple. It

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is the bass drum on every single beat and four

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or four measure, So you got boom boom boom boom,

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and you can hear it. It's like somebody's walking along

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sidewalk with a little bit of a strut and they're

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go on boom boom, boom boom. But when you hear

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that boom boom boom, it makes me feel like dancing,

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makes me feel like dancing. I'm on dancing, not away.

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So what can you tell me about the history of disco.

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Speaker 3: I know a little bit about the history of disco.

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Basically it started in underground clubs. It was typically like

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a gay club thing and like R and B black thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you were black or brown and gay, you

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went out dancing in the seventies and you liked the

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four on the floor beat. It was one of.

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Speaker 3: Those deals where the DJs were so important and they

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this is the mixing tables where they would find some

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obscure track and it wouldn't be like a play a song, stop,

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take out a record, put a new one on, play

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that record. The key to keep people dancing was a

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never ending beat.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's the two turntable method. We talked about it

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kind of in depth when we were exploring hip hop

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with our friend David Wright. But yeah, the dance clubs

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were really that were really doing the disco thing in

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the early seventies were mostly in New York City or

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over in LA. It wasn't something that you saw just

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across the country.

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Speaker 3: What happened was people would go to these clubs, they

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would hear these obscure songs, and then they would start

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to request the local radio station to play those songs.

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And so in turn, what happened is that the music

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industry responded to that and started to make music specifically

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for the discothechts. And that's when you have the seventies

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disco era. Yeah, so disco was when did it really

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start to become big? Well, the first heyday of disco

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it was nineteen seventy four, Yeah, to nineteen seventy Okay.

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Also during this time, you had a counter reaction to disco, right,

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I mean I remember seeing people with t shirts that

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said Disco sucks.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: In fact, the Chicago White Sox had this big post

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ballgame party where they burned disco records and it got

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crazy and people were out of hand and there it

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was wire nuts.

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Speaker 2: There were like cherry bombs and big explosions. I mean,

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I've never I can't remember in history a time where

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there was such a violent reaction against a particular style

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of music. So you said the first wave was between

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nineteen seventy four and nineteen seventy six. Now, the movie

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we're talking about came out in seventy seven, So if

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I'm understanding it, disco was on its way out, Like

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people hated it. It was becoming extremely unpopular, and then

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they made this movie. It seems like a bad choice,

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bad time to make a disco movie. Well here's the thing.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So when you have something that's edgy and cool, huh,

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and then all of a sudden it's mainstream and you

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have bloods of you know, suburban white people who joined

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the crowd. I say, this is fun. I like disco. Yeah,

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it becomes less cool and less edgy. Well what happened

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was Saturday Night Fever came along right as disco is dying,

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and it gave it some rocket fuel to surge it

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right back into the forefront of everybody's brain. And so

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it got its second life right there.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, Well, let's talk about how the movie came to be,

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all right. Yeah, So the movie is based upon an

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article that was called Tribal Rights of the New Saturday Night.

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This article was written by guy named Nick Khne. All right,

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so these are the rabbit holes that I go down. Okay,

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Nick Cohne's mother, her name was Vera Bordox. She was

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from Russia. She covered the Russian Revolution. Her mother was

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like this elite who did not support the revolution, and

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so she got sent to Siberia and so this child

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lost her mother. I think she was ultimately executed. And

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so she was a writer who wrote about the Russian

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Revolution as someone who was adamantly against it. His dad

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was professor and writer. His name was Norman Cone, and

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he had grown up in England. And then he moves

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to New York City, right okay, And he gets a

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job with the paper called The Guardian, and they need

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him to write an article. And so he's heard about

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this new disco thing that's going on and he decides

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to go down to the two thousand and one Odyssey.

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Yeah sound familiar, Yeah, for sure, it's in the movie.

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Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, that's where everything takes place, and so.

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Speaker 2: He writes this article called the Tribal Rights of the

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New Saturday Night, and people know this is going to

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be a great article. And one of the guys who

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gets a copy of the article before it's released worldwide

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is a guy named Robert Stigwood. Huh, you know who

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Robert Stigwood is.

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Speaker 3: Robert Stigwood is the manager of the Beeches.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So he when he finds out this article is

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coming along, he's like, we got to get a copy

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of that before it hits the papers. He reads the

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article and immediately calls his assistant Kevin McCormick and says, hey,

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we I want to get the option on making this

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article into a movie.

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Speaker 3: He grabbed it before everybody had their chance at it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So he reads the article and it's about the

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life of these New Yorkers who go to these dance

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clubs and their kind of obsession with how they look

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and their indifference to kind of the craziness that's going on.

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There's only one problem. Yeah, it is all completely fabricated.

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What so nobody knows this, Like everybody thinks this is

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a legitimate, factual article that this guy Nick Cone has

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written and they've decided, Okay, we're going to option this article.

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Like I mean, when the article came out, there was

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people constantly calling trying to get rights to it, and

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it was too late. Stigwood and McCormick had already gotten

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the rights to it because they thought, this is our

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vehicle for our band, the Beg's, to become big again.

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He nailed that one. Well, the problem is is that

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what happened was Nick Cone went down to two thousand

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and one Odyssey. He walked close to the door and

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a fight was breaking out. It comes out into the

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sidewalk and somebody vomits all over his pants, and he's like,

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heck with this goes back to Manhattan. I think I've

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got enough to write an art. He never walked into

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the club, he said, while he was standing there watching

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the fight happen and this guy puking on his pants,

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he sees this kid standing at the door way who's

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just kind of watching, you know, eating some popcorn or something,

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indifferent to everything that's going on, just like, hey, it's

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another Saturday night. That's hilarious. And so when he grew

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up in Derry, there were these kind of rebellious kids

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called mods, and he knew several of them, and so

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he took what he knew of the mods in England,

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took those characters that he knew and put them in

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the dance clubs of New York City and pretended like

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it had all really happened. See, this is crazy to me.

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Speaker 3: I did read that in the mid nineties. He finally

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revealed that this is all made up twenty years later.

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Speaker 2: I guess I'm in at all, guys, twenty years later,

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And he said at the time, he was like, I

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couldn't even believe that people believed that this was real,

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that this was not fictitious. I mean, reading the article,

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it sounds like fiction. But he said, I was just

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a young kid. I didn't have a lot of money.

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I didn't think anybody really care about this article. So

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it didn't bother me that I was completely lying. Wow. Yeah, wow,

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I know this is not just some nobody guy. This

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guy was considered the father of rock criticism, right, wow,

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he was. He did a review of the rough Mix

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of Tommy by the Who okay, and he was like, guys,

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I don't think you got a number one hit on

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here and at that Pete Townshend said, well, I've got

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this song called Pinball. You think we should put that

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on there? Because he knew that Nick Cone was a

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pinball fan. And history is made. Nick Cohn wrote this

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book called I'm Still the Greatest, says Johnny DiAngelo. This

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of Ziggy Stardust. I mean this guy huge. And then

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a drug trafficking case for bringing in four million dollars

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to drop the charges to simple possession. He got probation

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and a fine. That was it. Whoa So, Kevin McCormick,

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Robert Stigwood have got the rights to this story. They

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got three and a half. Yeah, it's not much.

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this article that Nick Cone has written. They give it

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a screenplay out of it. He gives it a first

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draft sends it to them. They're like, okay, thank you

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for your time, and then they hire this guy named

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Norman Wexler to actually write the screenplay.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 2: Are you familiar with Norman Wexler? Okay, So he hasn't

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Boyle and Susan Sarandon in it as very young folks. Wow.

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Speaker 2: He's like, I don't look like Alba. Okay. So Norman

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we need a director. Who can we get and they

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Speaker 5: Guy who directed Rocky.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so they hired John Advildson. He was the guy

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right then. And so they've got Hey, they've got a

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good director. We've got this guy who's a teen heart

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Advilson wants to make Tony a better guy. He wants

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them to be a guy who's doing favors for people,

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and John Travolta is like, hey, that's a nice idea,

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but that's not what I signed up to do. He

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wants the dirty, nasty Tony.

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Speaker 3: Okay, let's stop right there, because John Allison just came

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off of Rocky. Yeah, people freaking love Rocky. I love Rocky.

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Tony Manero not that likable of a character. No, I

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wouldn't have minded if they softened his edges a little bit.

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would it have been as much so if Tony had

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Speaker 3: I think it would have been even better.

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Speaker 2: Well maybe, Okay, who knows what the world thinks at

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Speaker 6: Right, right right?

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about the indifference of these type of folks, right. They

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were self obsessed. They were the me generation. That was

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what the seventies and disco was. I mean, you're coming

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off Vietnam and hippies and Let's save the world, and

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you're having the reaction to that of you know what,

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screw the world, save me. This is about me and

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my time, and I want to have fun and dance

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and get laid f the future.

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Speaker 3: It's Saturday night, right, all right? Do you let's take

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a quick break and just hear from our friends at

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Vintage Video Pod.

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Speaker 1: On the Vintage Video Podcast, we'll be reviewing every single

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wide release of the nineteen eighties in chronological order, over

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two hundred and fifty episodes to enjoy and thousands more

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to come. Shawn enters the store now to order another

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can of ether. I picture him outside like Homer with

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the gas a halt.

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Speaker 6: When for you?

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Speaker 2: When for me?

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Speaker 1: I also like to think about that the kids renew

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their vow not to talk about the murder. They're taking

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a bloodof with someone else's blood. The stuff is seven

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times more powerful than uranium.

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Speaker 6: Okay.

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Speaker 2: They open up the vault that it's contained and not

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wearing any kind of.

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Speaker 1: Protective gear, and it's wooden crates.

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Speaker 2: Wooden crates.

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Speaker 1: It's like the guys in Chernobo picking up the graphite rocks. Yeah,

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and go like nah because there's rocks hugging the elephant foot,

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which is like, oh, this thing's smooth, it's so warm.

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He turns to dial the number from the classified AD

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without even thinking about the numbers. We know this because

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we can hear his thoughts and he's talking about how A. J.

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Was right that Nindas are misdirecting him there. I really

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wish they could turn to the fund of Man, like

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six six Vintage Video. We're rewatching the eighties, so you

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don't have to love it.

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Speaker 2: Definitely go subscribe to that podcast.

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Speaker 3: They're great fun. They do kind of what we do

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over there. Check them out Vintage Video Pod.

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Speaker 2: So your lead actor and your director, who are both huge,

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are disagreed. Yeah, one of them has never been in

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a movie in his life and one of them is

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about to get nominated for an Oscar. Which one do

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you get rid of? The one nominated for an Oscar? Right?

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So they bring him in to tell him. They're like, Okay, John, hey,

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love you don't want this to hurt our friendship. But

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we've got good news and bad news. The good news

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is we found out you've been nominated as Best director

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for Rocky Yay. Bad news is you're fired. Oh, he's like,

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you still want to be friends? Gosh, So Oscar nominated

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and olultimately Best Picture winning director is canned at the

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outset and so they have to go and get another director.

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They still don't have a fully functional script yet either.

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Norman Westler's working on it, but it is not completed

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at this point. And so the guy they end up

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with is this guy named John Battap who has done

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zilch before this. Sure, I mean he's I don't know,

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he sneezed on a camera once. He had mostly done TV.

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His only film credit before this hadn't even been released

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at the time they gave him the job. His sole

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film credit was the Bingo Long Traveling All Stars and

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Motor Kinks Oh Iconic. Yeah, so it was released while

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Saturday Night Fever was already well into production. So they

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are literally taking somebody who's never done anything motion picture wise,

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has only worked in television. But they think, hey, John

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Devaulta worked in television, why not.

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Speaker 3: It's almost like the Kim Bessinger Batman thing, like number one,

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who's available?

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a teen star who's never been in a movie before,

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with a script that isn't completely done, on a very

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low budget. It doesn't sound like the recipe for success.

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It really does not. And on a topic that is

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dying is the decline of disco.

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Speaker 3: Up until the release of the movie, they thought they

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had miss time this. They thought they were released in

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this movie one year too late.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you this. We're going to cover movie to

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movie for these episodes, but our next episodes are going

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to be soundtrack to soundtrack, right, And so I can

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tell you that. John Badam said, I looked at this

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like it was a musical, and it was a different

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kind of musical. It wasn't a musical where people broke

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into song. It was just the bits of the story

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are broken up by these musical numbers and dance numbers,

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which is what you get in a musical. That's true,

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and it may have been the key to the success

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of this movie.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about this a little bit when we

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talked about Footloose last summer. About every ten minutes or so,

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a new song happens. It juices the scene, it sets

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the mood, and it just kind of leads you down

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this trail.

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Speaker 2: Song to song to song to song.

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Speaker 3: Here in two weeks we're gonna do soundtrack to soundtrack.

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But I can tell you this, the three key ingredients

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to the success of Saturday Night Fever Threefold Number one.

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The article by Nick Coom travel Rights of a New

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Saturday Night. Number two is John Travolta and number three

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is the Begs.

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Speaker 2: It's the Beg's, So it's gonna be hard talking about

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two of the three and not the third. I gotta say,

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you have to have all of those ingredients. But I

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think you could have had a different actor you. I mean,

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obviously the article is completely fabricated, but if you take

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the Beg's out of this mix, you don't have a winner.

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I think you're right about that.

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Speaker 3: I think the Beg's are the most important ingredient here.

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Speaker 2: So be sure and tune in on our next couple

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of episodes to find out what we think about each

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and every song and the story is behind them. Yes

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for sure. Okay, before we get into casting on Saturday Night, Felt,

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let's talk about a movie that came along ten years

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later that was also about dancing. Dirty Dancing sounds like

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a porno. That's what Bill Medley said. That's what Patrick

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Swayze said too. So it sounds like a movie about strippers.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you in my church, I mean the

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title dirty Dancing. It raised a few eyebrows, trust me.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. This story begins back in the fifties with a

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young girl named Eleanor okay, who would go to the

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Cat Skills with her family. Her dad was a doctor, right.

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She had a sister named Francis, and until she was

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twenty everyone called her baby.

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Speaker 3: This is kind of autobiographical, I would say, right.

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Speaker 2: So when she was a kid, not only did she

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go on vacations with her families and the Cat Skills,

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but she also dance. Is a matter in fact, she

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was a mambo dancing champion, and so she was heavy

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into the field of dance. But then she went to

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college and became a writer and she wrote novels books,

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and she also wrote a script for a movie called

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It's My Turn.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this one was Michael douglas film.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Michael Douglas and Jill Claiburne. So in this script,

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Michael Douglas's character and Jill Claiborne's character are in this

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kind of affair and Eleanor has written this dirty dancing

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pre sex scene. She's excited about it because it's something

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she's familiar with. Dancing is her first love. Right, And

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then as they're making the movie they get to that

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scene and they're like, yeah, we'll got that and go

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straight to the sex. So She's a little irritated by this, huh,

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and she's like, they cut my dirty dancing scene. And

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so she thinks, I'm going to have a movie where

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that is a scene that cannot be cut. It's got

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to be the main part of the movie. And she

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goes for quite a while trying to find somebody to

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make this new idea for her into reality, into a film,

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and she can't find anybody to do it right. And

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so there's this girl that she remembers that she used

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to double date with that had mentioned that, hey, I'm

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a film producer, right. Her name was Linda Gottlieb. Okay, now,

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Linda Gottlieb says I'm a film producer, but her credits

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are pretty sparse and unknown. The movie that she produced

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right before this was The Electric Grandmother.

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Speaker 3: The Electric Grandmother, The Electric Grandmother, another iconic movie.

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Speaker 2: Yes, I remember watching this movie on TV when I

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was a little kid. It was like a robotic Grandmother.

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The inventor was Edward Hermann. Yeah. Lost Boys and Max

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that Kelly Bishop is was. That's right, It all ties together, right. Wow.

472
00:24:58,279 --> 00:25:01,680
So Linda Gottlieb has done next to nothing. Eleanor Berkstein

473
00:25:01,880 --> 00:25:05,240
has done one movie which wasn't really well regarded, and

474
00:25:05,319 --> 00:25:08,440
so they decided to meet for lunch, and so Linda's like,

475
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,039
tell me your idea. Eleanor's like, okay. So it's a

476
00:25:11,079 --> 00:25:13,480
story about two sisters who go to the Cat Skills

477
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:18,039
on vacation with their parents. And Linda's like, yawn or yeah, okay,

478
00:25:18,079 --> 00:25:20,000
why don't you tell me more about you We don't

479
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,359
really know each other that well, tell me more about yourself.

480
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,680
She's like, well, you know, I was called baby until

481
00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:26,720
I was twenty, and I went to the Cat Skills

482
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,839
with my parents, and I was a mambo champion, and

483
00:25:30,599 --> 00:25:32,960
you know, at night we would go down to the

484
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,599
basement and we were dirty dance. And Linda Gottlieb said,

485
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,200
what did you just say. She's like, well, we would

486
00:25:37,240 --> 00:25:40,480
dirty dance. And she goes, that is the title of

487
00:25:40,519 --> 00:25:43,640
the movie. And she's like what she said, Dirty dancing

488
00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:46,039
is a million dollar title.

489
00:25:52,319 --> 00:26:04,759
Speaker 6: And she's like.

490
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:06,400
Speaker 2: I don't want a title at that I doesn't have

491
00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:08,960
anything to do with the main story. She goes, don't

492
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,039
worry about the story. Later the title was dirty Dancing.

493
00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,640
That's fantastic. And so she was wrong. It was not

494
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,400
a million dollar idea. It was a two hundred and

495
00:26:18,519 --> 00:26:22,680
fourteen a million dollar idea. So she's like, we've got

496
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,480
to make this happen. So all these bad movies that

497
00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:28,920
Linda had been making, she had been doing as an

498
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:33,960
employee of MGM. She was a producer that worked for MGM. Right, okay,

499
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,000
And so when she gets this idea, she has eleanor

500
00:26:37,119 --> 00:26:40,799
Wright the script, She's got the perfect title. Once it's done,

501
00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,039
they bring it to the president of MGM, Frank Yoblins,

502
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,720
and Frank is like, I love it, and they're like really,

503
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,039
and he's like, yes, we have to make this movie.

504
00:26:51,039 --> 00:26:54,160
And they're like perfect. Everything is falling into place just

505
00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,359
like they want it. And then the next day Frank

506
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,000
gets fired.

507
00:26:58,839 --> 00:27:01,599
Speaker 3: How many times does this happen? It seems like this

508
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:02,640
has happened several times.

509
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it happened with Dumb and Dumber, Right, exact same scenario.

510
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:08,480
I love it, let's do it. Oh yeah, that guy

511
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:13,160
got fired and so again, same type of weird scenario.

512
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:16,960
She has the rights to this script for a year

513
00:27:17,599 --> 00:27:21,799
until they revert to MGM, And so Linda Gottlieb is

514
00:27:21,839 --> 00:27:24,359
now on a deadline. We have to get this movie made.

515
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,599
I love this idea, I love this movie. We have

516
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:28,160
to get it made. But we have to find a

517
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:31,839
different production company. So she goes to one production company

518
00:27:31,880 --> 00:27:35,559
after another after another. Eleanor is having to demonstrate dirty

519
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:39,559
dancing in front of a room full of men, directors,

520
00:27:39,759 --> 00:27:44,039
board of director, type of guys, and everyone is saying no,

521
00:27:45,000 --> 00:27:49,720
over forty times, no, no No. Then what happens with

522
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:53,359
scripts is they get sent off to lower production companies.

523
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:59,319
Well there's this lower quote unquote production company called Vestrin Video. Now,

524
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,640
in the early eighties, videos were really just the way

525
00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,079
you saw pornos, and so vest And Video said, okay,

526
00:28:06,440 --> 00:28:08,880
we're going to do regular movies on video, and we're

527
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:11,400
going to be the distributor. So they they had been

528
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:16,920
distributing other big production companies VHS tapes. Yeah okay, and

529
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:19,839
they made themselves a nice chunk of change doing this.

530
00:28:20,079 --> 00:28:22,319
But right about the time that all of this is happening,

531
00:28:22,480 --> 00:28:25,079
the big studios are like, why are we outsourcing this.

532
00:28:25,200 --> 00:28:27,079
There's a ton of money that these guys are making.

533
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,480
Let's just do it ourselves. And so Vestron was about

534
00:28:30,519 --> 00:28:33,559
to lose this business, but it had this nice nest

535
00:28:33,559 --> 00:28:35,920
egg setup. And so they said, well, if the production

536
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:39,519
companies are going to start doing VHS distribution, we are

537
00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:42,000
going to start doing movie production. Good for them. And

538
00:28:42,079 --> 00:28:44,480
so they're starting to get all of these scripts that

539
00:28:44,480 --> 00:28:47,440
have been roundly rejected by everybody else. And so they

540
00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,759
hire a guy who made a couple of really bad

541
00:28:49,839 --> 00:28:52,720
movies to be their movie producer guy. And his name

542
00:28:52,799 --> 00:28:56,200
was Mitchell Connell. Okay, And so Mitchell and his assistant

543
00:28:56,359 --> 00:28:59,640
Dory Bernstein, who has no movie experience at all at

544
00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:03,559
the time, are going through scripts every single night, just reading, reading,

545
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,880
and it's all trash because these are scripts that have

546
00:29:06,039 --> 00:29:08,640
just been rejected over and over again. And so one weekend,

547
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,319
Mitchell comes across the script called Dirty Dancing. He's like,

548
00:29:12,359 --> 00:29:14,799
oh gosh, then don't they know we're not doing poor

549
00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:17,759
nos anymore? And so he starts reading the script. And

550
00:29:18,079 --> 00:29:20,680
I think a key idea when you're reading a script

551
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:21,839
is you have to be able to see it in

552
00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:24,640
your head. Sure, yep. Well, as it turns out, Mitchell

553
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,440
Connall grew up going to the Catskills with his parents

554
00:29:27,519 --> 00:29:31,000
on vacation every sing wow. And so when he starts

555
00:29:31,039 --> 00:29:34,319
reading the script, he's got the images in his head.

556
00:29:34,359 --> 00:29:36,240
It's bringing him back to when he was a kid.

557
00:29:36,599 --> 00:29:39,279
And not only can he see it, he loves it.

558
00:29:39,640 --> 00:29:43,200
All of the little intricacies that are key in the

559
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,799
script he identifies with. So he calls Linda Gottlieb the

560
00:29:46,839 --> 00:29:49,640
next day and he's like, Hi, my name's Mitchell Connold.

561
00:29:49,759 --> 00:29:52,640
I'm from bestro On Video and I'm interested in making

562
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:56,640
your movie. And Linda's Gottlieb is like prank caller. Yeah, really,

563
00:29:56,759 --> 00:30:00,000
and he's like, no, I'm serious, and we have money.

564
00:30:00,079 --> 00:30:02,240
We have close to four million dollars that we can

565
00:30:02,240 --> 00:30:04,799
put towards this movie if we get it approved. And

566
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:08,359
she's like let's go. Wow, she had lost in every

567
00:30:08,400 --> 00:30:12,799
other circumstance. This even though it's bad video, like b

568
00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,599
video movies that have this company is the one that's

569
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,680
offering to make the movie. She's like, let's get it done.

570
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,119
At least we'll get our movie made, right, Yeah. And

571
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:25,200
so they go to Vestaurant and they're like, Okay, we

572
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:27,960
need a director. Do you guys have any ideas And

573
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:30,400
they're like, well, it's a dance movie and we know

574
00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:34,599
this guy named emil Ardalino that has done a bunch

575
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:39,680
of PPS specials on dance. They're like, are you serious

576
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:42,759
right now? Has he ever directed a features your link movie? No,

577
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,559
but he really knows the dance world, like he's a

578
00:30:45,559 --> 00:30:49,680
stage actor and he's done lots of dance and choreography. Oh,

579
00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:52,799
by the way, he did just make short documentary called

580
00:30:52,839 --> 00:30:55,279
He Makes Me Feel Like Dancing. It won the Oscar.

581
00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:57,279
It won the Oscar.

582
00:30:57,720 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, this is insane, man, this is crazy.

583
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,680
Speaker 2: When they had initially offered it to a Meal, he

584
00:31:05,799 --> 00:31:10,400
was on jury duty and he's so he's like, he

585
00:31:10,599 --> 00:31:14,960
sends them a letter that says, I'm sequestered on jury duty,

586
00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:19,319
but please don't give this script to anyone else. And

587
00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:21,880
so they talked to him. They love him, they think

588
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:24,480
he's perfect. They're like, okay, we want you to come

589
00:31:24,599 --> 00:31:26,880
and tell your vision to our board of directors because

590
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,440
we still have to get this approved by the board.

591
00:31:29,839 --> 00:31:33,400
And so Emial comes in and opens his mouth and

592
00:31:33,519 --> 00:31:41,519
goes he can't speak. He has a panic attack. He

593
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:45,240
leaves the room not having said a word, and everybody's

594
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:48,519
just looking around, not knowing what to do. But I

595
00:31:48,559 --> 00:31:52,000
don't know what divine intervention happened. But the board said,

596
00:31:52,039 --> 00:31:54,839
you know, what he got scared he's won an oscar

597
00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:57,839
for a dance documentary. Who else are we going to get? Yeah,

598
00:31:57,880 --> 00:31:59,920
And that's how Emil got the job. Oh my god,

599
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:03,119
you're blowing my mind. Man, awesome, you are blowing my mind.

600
00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:07,400
So the way that Eleanor Berkstein wrote this script is

601
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,440
that she went through all of her old final records

602
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,920
from back when she was dancing in the fifties, okay,

603
00:32:13,359 --> 00:32:15,759
and she made herself a mixtape and she was like,

604
00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:18,759
I'm going to pick out my favorite songs from that time,

605
00:32:18,839 --> 00:32:21,119
and I'm going to write as I'm listening to my

606
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,519
mixtape right, Yes. So then she writes the script and

607
00:32:24,559 --> 00:32:28,000
when she and Linda start shopping around to all of

608
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,039
these producers, she is giving them the tape and saying,

609
00:32:31,119 --> 00:32:34,319
listen to this because this is the this is the soundtrack,

610
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,480
this is everything that I used. And all of the

611
00:32:36,599 --> 00:32:39,039
producers are like, no, no, we don't want this now,

612
00:32:39,079 --> 00:32:41,200
we don't want this. But then a few months we'll

613
00:32:41,240 --> 00:32:42,920
go by and she'll get a call from one of

614
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,640
the directors and they're like, hey, my eb's dirty Dancing

615
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,799
mixtape has worn out? Can you send me to She's like,

616
00:32:50,119 --> 00:32:52,359
you realize that you're asking me for the soundtrack for

617
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:54,839
the movie that you don't want to make. That's awesome. Yeah,

618
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:55,599
but it's a great singer.

619
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 3: It is a great soundtrack, and we're going to talk

620
00:32:57,200 --> 00:32:58,839
about that here in a couple of weeks. The story

621
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,799
that you're describing, though, Room reminds me of Matt Reeves

622
00:33:01,799 --> 00:33:04,440
writing The Batman while listening to Nirvana.

623
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: There's something in the way. Yeah.

624
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,599
Speaker 3: It just sets the tone. It puts you where you

625
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:10,519
need to be to appreciate the story.

626
00:33:10,599 --> 00:33:13,759
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mentioned when we talked about Jaws and Jurassic

627
00:33:13,839 --> 00:33:17,880
Park the relationship between Steven Spielberg and John Williams that

628
00:33:18,039 --> 00:33:20,559
Steven Spielberg, back when he was nobody just trying to

629
00:33:20,559 --> 00:33:24,240
write scripts, bought a John Williams soundtrack and that's what

630
00:33:24,279 --> 00:33:26,759
he listened to whenever he was writing a scripts. That's right.

631
00:33:26,839 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 3: What is like The Avengers or something like that.

632
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:34,279
Speaker 2: It's something, Sir Paul Newman movie, The Revelers, Revelers, the Revelers.

633
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 3: Wow, that's impressive right there.

634
00:33:36,759 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 6: Yeah.

635
00:33:37,039 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: Okay, so we've got a production company ish, yes, right,

636
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:45,119
we've got a script, We've got a director. Yeah, Now

637
00:33:45,119 --> 00:33:48,000
we have to worry about casting and getting the rights

638
00:33:48,039 --> 00:33:50,839
to the music. Yeah, and that last one is a

639
00:33:50,839 --> 00:33:54,559
tough one, yes, for sure. So earlier, like three years

640
00:33:54,599 --> 00:33:58,160
before this movie was being made, the Big Chill came out,

641
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:01,640
And before the Big Chill, people didn't really realize how

642
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:06,200
much money there was in old music style soundtracks. But

643
00:34:06,279 --> 00:34:08,960
the Big Chill happened, and it becomes one of the

644
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:12,639
best selling albums of nineteen eighty three, and suddenly people

645
00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,920
are like, Hey, if you're going to use my song

646
00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:16,519
in one of your movies, you're gonna need to pay me,

647
00:34:16,559 --> 00:34:18,440
and you're gonna need to pay me a lot. And

648
00:34:18,519 --> 00:34:22,079
so it went from being a relatively affordable thing to

649
00:34:22,199 --> 00:34:25,199
a very expensive thing, and if they didn't like the

650
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:27,960
idea of the movie, they could say no. So all

651
00:34:28,119 --> 00:34:31,039
very tricky, and she had a lot of songs that

652
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:35,800
she felt like were absolutely integral to the movie itself.

653
00:34:36,119 --> 00:34:36,800
Had to be there.

654
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:48,280
Speaker 4: She wouldn't budge.

655
00:34:48,639 --> 00:34:51,599
Speaker 3: We are going to have a great time dissecting the

656
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,840
Dirty Dancing soundtrack here in a couple of weeks.

657
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,679
Speaker 2: Just a quick thing on that. And they hired this

658
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,400
guy named Jimmy Heiner, and so he comes back a

659
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:04,639
few weeks later. He says, I kissed Phil Spector's big

660
00:35:04,679 --> 00:35:08,199
toe and said, I have to have this music and.

661
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:20,280
Speaker 3: Go wow, and you're blowing my mind left and right.

662
00:35:20,599 --> 00:35:23,519
Speaker 2: Okay, we raised podcasting. Yeah, that brings us to casting.

663
00:35:23,599 --> 00:35:25,440
Let's jump back to Saturday Night Fever.

664
00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:39,519
Speaker 3: Back to Saturday Night Fever, we talked about how John

665
00:35:39,559 --> 00:35:42,559
Travolta was the only known actor that they hired. His

666
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:46,480
manager actually had read the article Tribal Rights of the

667
00:35:46,559 --> 00:35:48,840
New Saturday Night and thought, man, if they make this

668
00:35:48,880 --> 00:35:51,320
into a movie, you're perfect for this role. Right, So

669
00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,440
he already had his eye kind of on it. And

670
00:35:53,480 --> 00:35:55,559
like you said, John Travilta was a star from the

671
00:35:55,599 --> 00:35:57,320
show Welcome Back Cotter.

672
00:35:57,599 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 6: Welcome back Your dreams were your ticket?

673
00:36:04,039 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: Were Vinnie Barberino.

674
00:36:08,519 --> 00:36:13,039
Speaker 3: Up your nose with the robojse Yeah, Vinnie Barbarino, mister gout.

675
00:36:14,280 --> 00:36:17,000
We know John Travolta now on this side of history

676
00:36:17,039 --> 00:36:20,000
as a major movie star. Yeah, but this is like

677
00:36:20,039 --> 00:36:22,400
you said, He had done that TV movie The Boy

678
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,159
in the Bubble. His girlfriend, her name was Diana Hyland.

679
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:29,039
She actually developed breast cancer during the filming of this movie.

680
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,800
Speaker 7: She died.

681
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 3: She passed away. During the making of this movie. They

682
00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:34,960
had to shut down production, so he could go to

683
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:35,599
her funeral.

684
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:37,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was a big deal. She was the

685
00:36:37,840 --> 00:36:39,880
one who had told him he needed to do the movie.

686
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,280
She's like, you've got the moves, the music on this

687
00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,800
is going to be great. You need to do this.

688
00:36:45,079 --> 00:36:47,199
I know that I'm going through this, but you need

689
00:36:47,239 --> 00:36:48,840
to go and make this movie. So listen to this.

690
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,519
Speaker 3: Robert Stigwood, we talked about him being the producer of

691
00:36:51,519 --> 00:36:54,039
this movie. He was also the manager of the Beg's.

692
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,800
He had been a producer on Broadway and John Travolta

693
00:36:57,840 --> 00:37:00,679
had auditioned for him and when he was seventeen years

694
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,280
old for Jesus Christ Superstar.

695
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:02,880
Speaker 6: Wow.

696
00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:05,920
Speaker 2: And at that time he thought that guy's a movie star.

697
00:37:06,199 --> 00:37:06,840
Speaker 3: Wow.

698
00:37:07,119 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 2: So John Travolta had been a dancer on stage. He

699
00:37:11,599 --> 00:37:15,440
danced in musicals and other Broadway things on stage, but

700
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:16,679
it was never disco.

701
00:37:16,960 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 3: He had never danced on a dance floor.

702
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:21,880
Speaker 2: He had not done any kind of disco. But he

703
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:25,519
was still a dancer. And so you brought in some choreographers.

704
00:37:25,679 --> 00:37:30,280
You have Lester Wilson and you had Denny Torino, who

705
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:34,440
were both world class choreographers. Denny had worked with him

706
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:37,760
multiple hours a day for weeks straight to get all

707
00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:41,599
these dance moves in. And when Lester Wilson showed up,

708
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,239
John Travolta started dancing, and Lester's like, I don't really

709
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:45,559
know that I got anything I could teach you.

710
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:46,119
Speaker 6: Wow.

711
00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,519
Speaker 2: John Travolta is a phenomenal dancer, and in that time

712
00:37:49,559 --> 00:37:52,000
of dancing he dropped twenty pounds and he was not

713
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:53,920
a heavy guy to begin with. I love to watch

714
00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:55,960
you dance. Can I wipe your full head?

715
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 3: But He's like, I wanted them to love John, not

716
00:38:02,039 --> 00:38:04,480
for his character, but just because they love to watch

717
00:38:04,559 --> 00:38:05,039
him dance.

718
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And so I thought that was really cool. Well,

719
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,840
they certainly weren't going to love him because of his character. God,

720
00:38:10,920 --> 00:38:14,559
he's such a turnis. He's a douche bag, a bag

721
00:38:14,559 --> 00:38:17,960
of douche but his friends are even worse.

722
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,760
Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, so now they're looking for the part of Stephanie.

723
00:38:20,840 --> 00:38:26,039
So Stephanie, they looked at Jessica Lane, Kathleen Quinland, Amy Irving, okay,

724
00:38:26,159 --> 00:38:29,639
and Carrie Fisher, Carrie Fisher, Princess Leah herself.

725
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:32,280
Speaker 2: That would have been an interesting one. Okay. These two movies,

726
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,880
Star Wars and Saturday Night Fever come out at the

727
00:38:34,920 --> 00:38:37,599
same time. It's been quite a year for carry Fisher.

728
00:38:37,719 --> 00:38:38,079
Speaker 6: Yeah.

729
00:38:38,119 --> 00:38:41,760
Speaker 3: So they end up hiring this girl named Karen Lynn Gorney.

730
00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:43,599
Speaker 2: Okay, do you know how she got the job. She

731
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:49,440
shared a cab with the producer's nephew. This blows my mind. Yeah,

732
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,239
they're both going for the same cab. They're like, you

733
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,800
wanted to share? Yeah, that's fine. They sit down. She's like,

734
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:55,920
so what do you do and he's like, uh, I'm

735
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:58,079
working on this movie. Oh really am I in? It

736
00:39:00,119 --> 00:39:03,000
was like, well, they do need a woman lead. That

737
00:39:03,199 --> 00:39:03,559
was it.

738
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: She gets out of the cab, she calls her agent.

739
00:39:05,519 --> 00:39:17,159
She's like, get on this right now, fate.

740
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: Yes. Now, she was nine years older than John Travolta.

741
00:39:20,639 --> 00:39:23,079
Is nine years older than John Travolta is, and she's

742
00:39:23,119 --> 00:39:27,800
playing a young twenties girl. Yeah, she looked a little

743
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:29,480
bit older than the part that she was playing.

744
00:39:30,159 --> 00:39:33,239
Speaker 3: She took some slack because most people weren't that impressed

745
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:33,880
with her dancing.

746
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:35,280
Speaker 2: Uh huh. I can see that.

747
00:39:35,639 --> 00:39:37,679
Speaker 3: I can see that, especially when I compare it to

748
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:39,159
Cynthia Rhodes for example.

749
00:39:39,320 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, Cynthia Rhodes is.

750
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,599
Speaker 3: Freaking unbelievable and I know nothing about dancing, right, yeah,

751
00:39:45,639 --> 00:39:46,599
she blows me away.

752
00:39:46,679 --> 00:39:48,119
Speaker 2: The grace is palpable. Yes.

753
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:50,960
Speaker 3: So anyway, they hire Karen Lynn Gourney. Like you said,

754
00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:54,880
she's nine years older. She did have some dance experience,

755
00:39:55,559 --> 00:39:57,840
but she had trouble keeping up with John Travolta.

756
00:39:58,079 --> 00:40:00,199
Speaker 2: Yea, and in truth, he kind of buries her in

757
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:00,760
this movie.

758
00:40:00,960 --> 00:40:03,639
Speaker 3: Yes, I mean she gets swept up in his wake

759
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:05,039
in my opinion.

760
00:40:04,679 --> 00:40:08,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he's a strong lead. He can carry her. Yeah,

761
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:09,639
and he does. And he does.

762
00:40:09,760 --> 00:40:12,079
Speaker 3: Now then the girl who plays a net, her name

763
00:40:12,159 --> 00:40:13,199
is Donna Pescow.

764
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,199
Speaker 2: I remember watching her in Angie. It was an old

765
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,039
like sitcom from the eighties.

766
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:20,960
Speaker 3: Really, yeah, she was an age We've talked about Angie before.

767
00:40:21,079 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 2: Yes, we have. What was that connection? That was Robert Hayes,

768
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:29,440
who is in Airplane Airplane and the lady who wrote

769
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:34,639
the song the theme song for Angie is the singing

770
00:40:34,760 --> 00:40:35,960
nun from Airplane.

771
00:40:36,199 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh.

772
00:40:38,159 --> 00:40:39,800
Speaker 2: Be sure and go back and check out. I mean

773
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:43,400
that's talking about that's our second series of episodes, Airplane

774
00:40:43,480 --> 00:40:45,719
Versus Spaceballs. Be sure and check it out for more

775
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,119
random knowledge trivia.

776
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 3: Your recall is blowing me away today. Okay, So they

777
00:40:52,559 --> 00:40:55,800
hired Donna Pescal to play the part of a net Yeah,

778
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:57,559
but they thought initially she was too pretty.

779
00:40:57,639 --> 00:41:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, so how did they combat that's put on some weight?

780
00:41:00,679 --> 00:41:02,360
Speaker 3: Would you just go put on forty pounds?

781
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, you won't be as pretty when you're fat. Yeah,

782
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:08,280
she's still pretty though, she is. She is just the eyes,

783
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:08,920
I mean.

784
00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 3: She's she's so, she's sweet, she's nice, she's likable, and

785
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:14,880
they just treat her like crap the entire movie.

786
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 2: The only redeemable character in the whole movie. And she's

787
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:22,039
the one who probably is going to have post traumatic

788
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:24,199
stress order after it's all over.

789
00:41:24,599 --> 00:41:27,440
Speaker 3: Oh just listening to a sob on that bridge, Oh

790
00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:28,360
my gosh.

791
00:41:28,559 --> 00:41:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so we'll get there. We'll get there when

792
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:32,639
we talk about the movies. But not only is she

793
00:41:32,679 --> 00:41:35,079
put on the weight, she had to go back to

794
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:37,960
her old Brooklyn accent that she had spent so long

795
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,800
time I read of in acting school. Had to relearn

796
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,519
that so that she could she could also be kind

797
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:43,880
of dumb.

798
00:41:43,880 --> 00:41:48,119
Speaker 3: Sound you know Donna Pascal and Val Bisuglio, who plays

799
00:41:48,199 --> 00:41:48,880
Frank Senior.

800
00:41:49,039 --> 00:41:51,920
Speaker 2: Yes, they both show back up in the Sopranos. Oh nice,

801
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,400
So that kind of nice little throwback there. I will

802
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:58,159
tell you this. When I saw Frank Junior's picture on

803
00:41:58,199 --> 00:42:00,719
the mantel, I was like that, it's the young priest

804
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,079
from the Exorcist. Yeah it's not. It looks like it's

805
00:42:03,119 --> 00:42:05,599
a different guy. But my gosh, he looks it really does.

806
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:06,039
Speaker 6: Yeah.

807
00:42:06,159 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: Yep.

808
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,920
Speaker 3: So she auditioned for that role six times, right, okay,

809
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:13,320
three for the first director, and then he got fired.

810
00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:15,079
And the second director is like, I want you to

811
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:17,920
bring her into audition. She's like really again, she auditioned

812
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:19,119
three times for him as well.

813
00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:20,039
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay.

814
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 3: Now, then listen to this. Rayleota and David Caruso both

815
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:25,159
auditioned for the.

816
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 2: Road of Joey. Wow.

817
00:42:27,679 --> 00:42:29,400
Speaker 3: Okay, ray Liota from Goodfellas.

818
00:42:29,480 --> 00:42:32,800
Speaker 2: I know he would have been very young, very young. Yeah, okay, okay.

819
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,239
Speaker 3: Now, then most of the cast Joseph Kelly, Shelley bad

820
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,519
Danny Dillon, Fran Drescher.

821
00:42:39,360 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 2: Fran Dresser, dresser first movie appearance.

822
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 3: It is all these people, it's their first movie appearance.

823
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,880
Speaker 2: I mean, she became a stand up comedian and then

824
00:42:46,920 --> 00:42:48,880
went on to become the Nanny and has a super

825
00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:52,119
annoying voice that she's well known for. But in this movie,

826
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,519
shouldn't have that. She's smoking hot, and she is young

827
00:42:55,760 --> 00:42:57,760
and pretty and speaks well.

828
00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,360
Speaker 7: Are you as good in bed as you're on that dance?

829
00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: Boock?

830
00:43:05,800 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 7: Whll?

831
00:43:06,039 --> 00:43:07,559
Speaker 2: Are you you know what?

832
00:43:07,639 --> 00:43:07,880
Speaker 4: Else?

833
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,280
Speaker 3: She's not wearing any underwear during that scene.

834
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,400
Speaker 2: Well, nobody did back then. I guess it's the seventies. Yes,

835
00:43:13,559 --> 00:43:15,599
nobody wants a panty line. I wants something getting in

836
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:17,079
the way when you're going out to the car in

837
00:43:17,119 --> 00:43:19,840
between Beg's numbers. Nobody.

838
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,159
Speaker 3: So this is not really a casting related thing, but

839
00:43:22,159 --> 00:43:23,880
I thought i'd throw this in there real quick. Okay,

840
00:43:24,199 --> 00:43:28,280
the guy who plays Tony Manaro's dad, when he's sitting

841
00:43:28,280 --> 00:43:30,960
at the table and he's got the he's got the

842
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,239
big napkin around his shirt because he doesn't want anything

843
00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:33,800
on his shirt.

844
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:34,519
Speaker 2: He's not hungry.

845
00:43:34,519 --> 00:43:36,599
Speaker 3: And the guy's mad and he's like, you're gonna eat,

846
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,440
right right, You're gonna eat. So he's sitting there and

847
00:43:39,480 --> 00:43:43,119
he starts yelling at people, and John Travolda's character Tony

848
00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,639
talks back to him and he gets smacked upside the head.

849
00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,360
That was a total improv line. He's like, will you

850
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,719
watch the hair, Just watch the hair? He hit my

851
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:55,639
hair I worked really hard and he hits it.

852
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, he said. Jon Revolta said, when he hit me,

853
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:03,840
really hit me, really, And I've spent a long time

854
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,159
on my hair, and I thought, well, that'd be a

855
00:44:05,199 --> 00:44:07,079
funny thing for me to say right then, and it's

856
00:44:07,159 --> 00:44:08,519
It's one of the best lines.

857
00:44:08,320 --> 00:44:09,679
Speaker 6: In the movie. We washed the hair.

858
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: Well, I work on my hair a long time and

859
00:44:13,800 --> 00:44:14,280
you hit it.

860
00:44:15,159 --> 00:44:16,039
Speaker 6: He hits my hair.

861
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:29,639
Speaker 2: So let's talk about casting for Dirty Dancing now, please.

862
00:44:32,679 --> 00:44:34,559
This is kind of crazy. Okay. So we got a

863
00:44:34,639 --> 00:44:37,880
very low again, very low low budget movie. Were and

864
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:40,719
a half million dollars to make the movie, limited amount

865
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:45,320
of time to get it done, new director, new writer,

866
00:44:46,119 --> 00:44:49,360
and our only hope for the cast, given the money

867
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,159
that we're probably gonna have to spend to get the

868
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:55,840
songs that we want, is to get some relatively unknown actors.

869
00:44:56,119 --> 00:45:00,960
Speaker 3: Yes, so let's talk about Johnny Castle first, Okay, Okay, yeah.

870
00:45:00,599 --> 00:45:03,760
Speaker 2: This is who they wanted. Okay, Val Kilmer, Okay, yeah,

871
00:45:04,079 --> 00:45:05,760
I mean that he at that time.

872
00:45:05,920 --> 00:45:09,159
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the hunk, he's studley, he's coming off top gun.

873
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,159
Speaker 2: Okay, he's hot or whatever. Yeah.

874
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,519
Speaker 3: Not interested in playing the hunk though, No, No, I

875
00:45:13,599 --> 00:45:14,440
checked himself out.

876
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: No, not for me. Okay, okay, he had some good movies,

877
00:45:17,559 --> 00:45:19,440
have top secret. He danced, so I can I can

878
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,960
see that yet, Okay, Billy Zain, he was the top

879
00:45:23,079 --> 00:45:27,920
contender twenty years old. It was between Billy Zaine and

880
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:32,119
Patrick Swayze. It was between those two guys. Linda Gottlieb

881
00:45:32,559 --> 00:45:34,960
loved Billy Zaine thought he was the next Marlon Brando,

882
00:45:35,119 --> 00:45:38,079
like she just thought he was the best. But as

883
00:45:38,159 --> 00:45:42,519
Eleanor Bergstein describes it, he looked like he learned to

884
00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:46,360
dance really wonderfully for his bar mitzvah. Yeah, he's not

885
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:49,920
a smooth dancer. As good looking as a guy he is,

886
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,519
he has not got the pop and lock down he is.

887
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:54,960
He's very awkward looking when he dances.

888
00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:58,199
Speaker 3: Well, so, first of all, he's barely out of his teens. Yeah,

889
00:45:58,199 --> 00:46:00,079
he's a good looking guy, but he's still a few

890
00:46:00,159 --> 00:46:03,760
years away. You know, Titanic is ninety seven. It's he's

891
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,400
got some time to come into his own a little bit, right, Yeah.

892
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: Right, So they're they're looking through resumes first, right, go ahead,

893
00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:13,000
And what Eleanor Bergstein says is, I'm looking for a

894
00:46:13,039 --> 00:46:14,800
guy with hooded eyes. You know, like, yeah, you we

895
00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:17,239
get the shadows over the eyes, right yep. And so

896
00:46:17,280 --> 00:46:19,400
she's just looking at the eyes as she's flipping through

897
00:46:19,400 --> 00:46:22,559
these resumes and she comes to Patrick Swayze's picture and

898
00:46:22,559 --> 00:46:24,639
she's like, that's it. Those are the eyes I want.

899
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,440
Right there. She flips the resume over and in big

900
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:31,480
bold letters, it says no dancing. It's like, well, crap,

901
00:46:32,119 --> 00:46:34,400
throws it to the side, Okay, keep looking. So that's

902
00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:36,079
how they get Billy's ain in there. That's how they

903
00:46:36,119 --> 00:46:38,159
get all the other guys who came in. And then,

904
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,440
as it turns out, a Meal comes to her and

905
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:44,000
he says, hey, you know, I noticed that she didn't

906
00:46:44,159 --> 00:46:46,440
call Patrick Swayzee on this deal. She's like, oh, but

907
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:49,199
his face was so wonderful. I just it says no dancing.

908
00:46:49,199 --> 00:46:52,960
And he's like, well, I know his mother. She's the

909
00:46:53,519 --> 00:46:57,159
dance teacher in the state of Texas. Like, she's the

910
00:46:57,199 --> 00:47:00,280
most famous dance teacher in the state. And he grew

911
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:03,679
up dancing. I've seen him in multiple things that he dances.

912
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,880
I don't know why he says no dancing on there. Well,

913
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:10,360
here's why. He's a football player, yes, and playing football

914
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:13,599
in high school. He hurt his knee, significant knee injury,

915
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,719
and he didn't want to be known as a dancer.

916
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:18,679
He could still dance a little bit, but it was

917
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:20,599
hard on him, and so he wanted to be known

918
00:47:20,639 --> 00:47:22,719
for his acting abilities. And so that's why he wrote

919
00:47:22,960 --> 00:47:26,079
no dancing. And if you'd seen him in anything before that,

920
00:47:26,599 --> 00:47:29,559
you'd seen him maybe dancing in a beer commercial, okay,

921
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:32,400
or he was doing some roller skate dancing and like

922
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,119
his first movie. Yes, but then you saw him in

923
00:47:36,400 --> 00:47:39,440
Red Dawn and The Outsiders, no dancing in that, right,

924
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,559
So I can see how they didn't know, Hey, this

925
00:47:42,639 --> 00:47:45,480
is the perfect guy for this movie, for this part.

926
00:47:45,679 --> 00:47:49,039
Speaker 3: Okay, let's just talk about Patrick Swayze for a second. Okay,

927
00:47:49,119 --> 00:47:51,639
he is the key to this movie in my opinion,

928
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:58,719
no question. Okay, you have to have somebody who is masculine, Yes, studeley, Yes,

929
00:47:58,960 --> 00:47:59,639
great dancer.

930
00:47:59,760 --> 00:47:59,840
Speaker 1: Ye.

931
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,519
Speaker 2: Sometimes those don't go well together. Sure, in Texas in

932
00:48:04,559 --> 00:48:07,679
the eighties, a guy saying, oh yeah, I'm a dancer

933
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:11,000
meant okay, well have fun with your flowers. I mean

934
00:48:11,039 --> 00:48:12,960
that was that was it. That was that's right. But

935
00:48:13,119 --> 00:48:14,920
he grew up with it and he knew it and

936
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,280
he was good at it. Now, there's probably lots and

937
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:19,920
lots of guys that are in that category. It's just

938
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:23,079
it was a bad perception that people had back in

939
00:48:23,119 --> 00:48:23,440
the South.

940
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 6: Back then.

941
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 3: Patrick Swayze is so huge, and he later is he's

942
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:27,639
an action star.

943
00:48:28,039 --> 00:48:28,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

944
00:48:28,519 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 3: He plays body in Point Break, one of the coolest

945
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:34,920
characters of all time. He plays Dalton and Roadhouse. Yeah,

946
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:38,440
this guy is a masculine guy. He's muscled up, he's strong,

947
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:41,400
he's tough. When he beats up Robbie, you're like, whoa,

948
00:48:41,639 --> 00:48:43,360
this guy beat the crap out of somebody.

949
00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: I thought you'd be taller.

950
00:48:46,039 --> 00:48:48,119
Speaker 3: I thought he's gonna pull Robbie's throat out right.

951
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: There was time not to be nice.

952
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:53,719
Speaker 3: So Patrick swayzey a huge, huge git.

953
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:54,440
Speaker 2: Okay, right.

954
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,159
Speaker 3: So Eleanor Burstein also loves Jennifer Gray.

955
00:48:58,639 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 2: She does. So here's what happened. When Jennifer Gray comes

956
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:04,400
in for her audition, her dad forces her to come

957
00:49:04,599 --> 00:49:09,079
and basically pushes her into the audition space, and she's like, okay, okay,

958
00:49:09,199 --> 00:49:11,960
wish we loved daddy and comes in and they're like, nope,

959
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,400
we're already there. We found her here. It is curly hair.

960
00:49:15,599 --> 00:49:18,039
This is what Eleanor Burgstein wanted because she had curly

961
00:49:18,079 --> 00:49:21,960
hair growing up. She wanted a curly haired, petite, babyface girl.

962
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:26,000
And here's this girl who just called her father daddy

963
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:30,119
as she walked in. She immediately was the perfect choice,

964
00:49:30,239 --> 00:49:33,320
but the producers weren't as convinced. Okay, do you know

965
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,159
who the producers the best dron video producer suggested as

966
00:49:37,239 --> 00:49:42,079
the as the lead. Sharon Stone, No, went on a writer.

967
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:46,039
Speaker 3: No, Sarah Jessica Parker, No, what do you got?

968
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: Pia is a doorra piasa dora. He is a door.

969
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:51,639
They're like, you know who'd be perfect for this part?

970
00:49:52,000 --> 00:49:56,599
Pia is a door, the sex kitten, sex bomb, whatever

971
00:49:56,639 --> 00:49:59,679
you want to call her, with very low acting ability.

972
00:50:00,079 --> 00:50:02,639
That's who they decided they wanted. They wanted them to

973
00:50:02,639 --> 00:50:05,119
try to cast. They're like, Okay, well we'll think about it.

974
00:50:05,239 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, not so much, right, Wow, that's a name I

975
00:50:08,840 --> 00:50:11,920
was not expecting to hear. Yeah, when other riders Sharon

976
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,360
Stone and Sarah Jessica Parker were up for the part

977
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,960
of baby. Yes, Sharon Stone, that would have been interesting innocence,

978
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:21,079
not at all, not so much, No, sir, Jessica Parker.

979
00:50:21,599 --> 00:50:24,559
Speaker 2: She was the other top Runner. It was basically it

980
00:50:24,679 --> 00:50:28,920
was Billy Zane, Sarah, Jessica Parker, Patrick Swayzee, and Jennifer

981
00:50:28,920 --> 00:50:31,519
Gray and they mixed them all up to see how

982
00:50:31,559 --> 00:50:34,000
they would play off of each other. Right, huh, Now

983
00:50:34,000 --> 00:50:36,239
it's interesting. This is a little kind of weird sidebar,

984
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:40,400
this weird connection. At the time, Jennifer Gray was dating

985
00:50:40,599 --> 00:50:42,679
her co star from the movie that had just come

986
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:45,960
out the year before called Ferris Pueller's Day Off. Yeah,

987
00:50:46,119 --> 00:50:49,599
mister Matthew Broderick. Yeah, so she was dating Matthew Broderick

988
00:50:49,639 --> 00:50:53,320
at the time. Now, sad story, as this movie was

989
00:50:53,360 --> 00:50:56,599
about to come out, like just before its premiere, she

990
00:50:56,719 --> 00:51:00,239
and Matthew Broderick were in the UK and they had

991
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,000
a plan for the day. We're into a car, went

992
00:51:03,039 --> 00:51:06,280
out driving. Not sure what happened, but they went across

993
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,400
the line, struck another car and killed a mother and

994
00:51:09,519 --> 00:51:13,039
daughter instantly at the scene. You know, where are you

995
00:51:13,079 --> 00:51:14,320
going to be after that? You're not going to care

996
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,920
about some low budget movie that you made. You're going

997
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:19,440
to be extremely distraught after all. Yes, for sure. So

998
00:51:20,039 --> 00:51:22,079
you don't see a whole lot from Jennifer Gray about

999
00:51:22,079 --> 00:51:24,360
this movie. My guess is that it's because of the

1000
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:25,639
bad feelings that come along with it.

1001
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:28,719
Speaker 3: She had surgery in two thousand and nine to repair

1002
00:51:28,800 --> 00:51:30,719
damage in her spine that she was still dealing with.

1003
00:51:30,840 --> 00:51:33,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, so this is an ongoing thing for her. Yeah.

1004
00:51:33,400 --> 00:51:37,320
The movie is kind of known for having a cursed set,

1005
00:51:37,480 --> 00:51:40,480
and it kind of followed her even past production. Now,

1006
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:43,639
the interesting thing is Matthew Brodrick and she, of course

1007
00:51:43,679 --> 00:51:47,559
eventually break up and he ends up marrying Sarah Jessica Parker.

1008
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:48,159
Speaker 4: Nuts.

1009
00:51:48,360 --> 00:51:49,079
Speaker 2: That is crazy.

1010
00:51:49,159 --> 00:51:51,840
Speaker 3: Okay, Before I get off of Jennifer Gray and Patrick Swayze,

1011
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:56,239
they had worked together in a movie you might remember

1012
00:51:56,719 --> 00:52:02,280
called Red Dawn. Here's what I know about Red Dawn.

1013
00:52:02,400 --> 00:52:05,880
Great young ensemble cast. It's what would happen if the

1014
00:52:05,920 --> 00:52:10,000
Russians invaded Middle America. It's a great nineteen eighty four

1015
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:13,840
America versus the Russians movie. Okay, here's what else I

1016
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:18,199
know from that movie. Patrick Squayze and Jennifer Gray couldn't

1017
00:52:18,199 --> 00:52:18,880
stand each other.

1018
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:21,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, when they were trying to decide who to cast,

1019
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,239
she said, please anybody, but Patrick, uh huh. They had

1020
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:27,880
to go to him. They're like, hey, you know this

1021
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:30,960
is a problem. You're perfect, but she's perfect too, and

1022
00:52:31,039 --> 00:52:33,920
so you know, we don't know what happened, he says. Listen,

1023
00:52:34,079 --> 00:52:36,320
I'm not going to tell you that I'm taking this part.

1024
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,719
I'm not sure that I am. But let me go

1025
00:52:38,760 --> 00:52:41,760
talk to her. And so the only thing that I

1026
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:46,480
know is that they went in together. Yep. It's been

1027
00:52:46,519 --> 00:52:50,840
about half an hour talking, both came out with red eyes, yep,

1028
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:54,239
and had resolved whatever the problem was. Now, obviously they

1029
00:52:54,280 --> 00:52:56,840
still had some issues.

1030
00:52:56,559 --> 00:53:01,280
Speaker 3: Along the way on the set they did, but.

1031
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:03,880
Speaker 2: It kind of played like passion, is what it played like. Yes,

1032
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:04,960
that's exactly right.

1033
00:53:05,199 --> 00:53:10,039
Speaker 3: I heard the producers talking that sometimes angst plays really

1034
00:53:10,039 --> 00:53:12,800
well as passion. They were a little bit angry at

1035
00:53:12,800 --> 00:53:15,639
each other about half the time, and since there's always

1036
00:53:15,639 --> 00:53:18,719
that emotion there, it felt like passion. When they got

1037
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:22,079
together and did the screen test together, everybody loved it.

1038
00:53:22,199 --> 00:53:24,000
Like they had the sizzle and the pop and the

1039
00:53:24,039 --> 00:53:26,320
screen test and they man, the look at these people.

1040
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:30,039
They chemistry, chemistry, chemistry. And so as the movie progressed

1041
00:53:30,039 --> 00:53:32,519
and they would get irritated with each other, you actually

1042
00:53:32,599 --> 00:53:35,239
have that great scene where he's running his hand down

1043
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,760
the back of her arm and she starts cracking up

1044
00:53:38,400 --> 00:53:41,960
and he clearly is irritated frustrated. Yes, they had done

1045
00:53:41,960 --> 00:53:44,360
take after take after take, and she's cracking up and

1046
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:45,360
it's pissing them off.

1047
00:53:45,559 --> 00:53:48,840
Speaker 2: Yep, same sequence. Were the bang Heads together. Yes, that

1048
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:53,119
also really happened. Like so much of it was stuff

1049
00:53:53,119 --> 00:53:55,000
that just happened a long way. But here's what else

1050
00:53:55,199 --> 00:53:58,599
also just kind of spontaneously happened. Yes, the scene where

1051
00:53:58,599 --> 00:54:01,280
their lip syncing and crawling towards each other on the floor,

1052
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,079
that was a complete improvisation scene. They just put it

1053
00:54:05,119 --> 00:54:07,960
on and started. They both loved the song and knew

1054
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,119
the song, and it's one of the best scenes in

1055
00:54:10,159 --> 00:54:14,480
the movie, her slinking towards him and him play in

1056
00:54:14,480 --> 00:54:17,199
the air guitar. How do you call your love a boy?

1057
00:54:17,639 --> 00:54:21,320
It's great that as actors that they could go there,

1058
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,440
that they could find not only those moments that things

1059
00:54:24,440 --> 00:54:26,840
were going wrong that they caught, but when things went

1060
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:28,440
really right, and they caught that too.

1061
00:54:28,679 --> 00:54:28,920
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1062
00:54:29,519 --> 00:54:32,360
Speaker 3: As the movie progressed, they started to like face off

1063
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:35,960
before every scene. It was contentious, and so the producers

1064
00:54:36,000 --> 00:54:38,639
finally had to take them both aside and they showed

1065
00:54:38,639 --> 00:54:41,039
them the screen test. Right, I said, guys, look at this.

1066
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:43,239
Speaker 2: That was Emil Artlino who would do that. He knew

1067
00:54:43,239 --> 00:54:45,119
when it was time to go back and say, hey, guys,

1068
00:54:45,159 --> 00:54:48,199
remember our rehearsal, remember how it was, then we need

1069
00:54:48,199 --> 00:54:48,920
to bring that back.

1070
00:54:49,519 --> 00:54:53,880
Speaker 3: Jennifer Gray's sense of humor. To me, it offsets Patrick

1071
00:54:53,920 --> 00:54:57,440
Swayze's intensity. The scene where they're dancing together when she

1072
00:54:57,519 --> 00:54:59,840
comes in to rescue and she misses the lift and

1073
00:55:00,039 --> 00:55:05,000
she gives the old thumb slide. That is so frigging funny.

1074
00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 2: I thought you were going to talk about when they

1075
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:09,599
were very first dancing together at the first dirty dancing

1076
00:55:09,679 --> 00:55:12,320
scene and like the song finishes and he walks off

1077
00:55:12,360 --> 00:55:15,119
and she's still dancing around and then realizes he's gone

1078
00:55:15,119 --> 00:55:19,480
and kind of awkwardly beabops around. Okay, she's funny, she's

1079
00:55:19,519 --> 00:55:22,920
the perfect actress to play baby she's baby faced, she's young.

1080
00:55:23,159 --> 00:55:25,840
Speaker 3: I had trouble initially getting over the fact that she

1081
00:55:25,920 --> 00:55:28,920
was Genie Butler. Yeah, the brat sister of.

1082
00:55:28,920 --> 00:55:32,440
Speaker 2: A fair completely different character, completely different character. But no,

1083
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,559
she nailed it, and it was it's interesting because you're

1084
00:55:35,559 --> 00:55:39,519
about to talk about Cynthia Rhodes. They the producers didn't

1085
00:55:39,559 --> 00:55:44,360
want Jennifer Gray because they thought there's no way that

1086
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:50,119
Johnny Castle would pass up on Cynthia Rhoades in favor

1087
00:55:50,199 --> 00:55:52,920
of Jennifer Gray, which kind of a hurtful thing. That's

1088
00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:57,519
a hurtful thing. But Cynthia Rhodes is amazingly yes, I mean,

1089
00:55:57,559 --> 00:56:01,119
she's amazingly beautiful. Jennifer Gray is very pretty, but it's

1090
00:56:01,159 --> 00:56:02,239
an entirely different look.

1091
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 3: I do think that that is a issue in the

1092
00:56:04,800 --> 00:56:08,679
movie a bit. I think that Jennifer Gray's character sort

1093
00:56:08,679 --> 00:56:10,440
of brings out the best in Johnny and that's what

1094
00:56:10,559 --> 00:56:11,519
he finds attractive.

1095
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he.

1096
00:56:13,199 --> 00:56:16,639
Speaker 3: Seems to match Cynthia Rhode's care i mean dancing, and

1097
00:56:16,800 --> 00:56:19,880
they do have same interests and work together and anyway,

1098
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:21,679
so let's talk about Cynthia Rhods.

1099
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,679
Speaker 2: Okay, Cynthia Rhodes.

1100
00:56:23,519 --> 00:56:28,679
Speaker 3: Clearly dancer, right, as we know from Toto Toto's Rosanna video.

1101
00:56:28,800 --> 00:56:31,280
Speaker 2: You got it? Or she's Rosanna, right? Okay?

1102
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:34,000
Speaker 3: You know who else was in that Rosanna video with her?

1103
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,840
Speaker 2: Some guy that looked a little bit like Patrick Swayzey.

1104
00:56:38,239 --> 00:56:41,199
Speaker 3: It's still unresolved on whether that was Patrick Swayze or not.

1105
00:56:42,119 --> 00:56:43,840
It is interesting when you go back and look at

1106
00:56:43,840 --> 00:56:46,599
the Rosanna video. If you missed our Toto episode. There

1107
00:56:46,679 --> 00:56:50,079
is a dancer in that video that looks so much

1108
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:51,679
like Patrick swayzee.

1109
00:56:51,239 --> 00:56:54,119
Speaker 2: He has he has the hair that Patrick Swayzey has

1110
00:56:54,199 --> 00:56:57,239
in The Outsiders, and he has a similar forehead. Beyond that,

1111
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:58,840
I mean, I cannot agree.

1112
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 3: I really wish that you got Johnny and Penny dancing

1113
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:04,360
in the in the Rosanna video.

1114
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:05,599
Speaker 2: That's what I really want, I know.

1115
00:57:06,159 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 3: Okay, So Cynthia Rhodes, she was in an emotion the

1116
00:57:09,559 --> 00:57:11,840
rock band Oh wow, Okay did you know that?

1117
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:12,119
Speaker 2: No?

1118
00:57:12,199 --> 00:57:14,800
Speaker 3: I did not famous for the song obsession, But have

1119
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,239
you heard the song room to Move? Big song in

1120
00:57:17,320 --> 00:57:19,079
nineteen eighty nine, let Me pay It for you here

1121
00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:21,199
is got the hell?

1122
00:57:24,079 --> 00:57:38,679
Speaker 6: That's that's that song? Well that song? Yeah?

1123
00:57:43,159 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 2: Yeah about a ned Okay, yeah, I think I kind

1124
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:47,840
of remember that one. Yeah, that's a big song.

1125
00:57:47,840 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 3: In eighty nine, all right, Shelson married Richard Marx. The

1126
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:53,320
song right here Waiting is written about her.

1127
00:57:53,519 --> 00:57:54,519
Speaker 2: Oh that's right.

1128
00:57:55,039 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 3: Wow, you know what she gave up? All this stuff,

1129
00:57:58,440 --> 00:58:00,360
Cynthia Rose. This is why you don't see her in anymore.

1130
00:58:00,400 --> 00:58:00,599
Speaker 2: Okay.

1131
00:58:00,679 --> 00:58:05,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, she decided that instead of being a dancing superstar,

1132
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:06,679
she wanted to be a mom.

1133
00:58:07,719 --> 00:58:10,360
Speaker 2: H and so she's at home. I love it.

1134
00:58:10,480 --> 00:58:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's wonderful, all right, So hopefully I'm gonna blow

1135
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,480
your mind with those little facts right here. Okay, Jerry

1136
00:58:15,599 --> 00:58:19,480
Orbach plays Baby's dad. Okay, he plays Jake Houseman, yes,

1137
00:58:19,599 --> 00:58:20,639
doctor Houseman, yes.

1138
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:21,079
Speaker 2: Okay.

1139
00:58:21,719 --> 00:58:23,599
Speaker 3: Now he's famous for being in law and Order and

1140
00:58:23,639 --> 00:58:24,199
all this stuff.

1141
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 2: Yep, Okay. What you may not know.

1142
00:58:27,000 --> 00:58:30,320
Speaker 3: Is he is the voice of Lumire from Beauty and

1143
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:30,760
the Beast.

1144
00:58:31,039 --> 00:58:37,159
Speaker 7: Be our guest, be our guest, put our service to

1145
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:41,159
the test. Tie your naptune around your next sherry, and

1146
00:58:41,199 --> 00:58:42,679
we provide the rest.

1147
00:58:42,960 --> 00:58:48,400
Speaker 2: Souper do jut Or, my son in the stage production

1148
00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,519
of Beauty and the Beast played that part as well.

1149
00:58:50,840 --> 00:58:51,119
Speaker 3: Wow.

1150
00:58:51,159 --> 00:58:52,440
Speaker 2: As a matter of fact, I'm like, you need to

1151
00:58:52,480 --> 00:58:54,840
watch the movie to get the French accent down, because

1152
00:58:54,920 --> 00:58:58,480
Jerry or Box, who is not remotely French, does the

1153
00:58:58,599 --> 00:58:59,719
perfect French accent.

1154
00:59:01,039 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: He sings freaking be our guest, glance and then you

1155
00:59:05,360 --> 00:59:10,039
will be our guest, We our guest, be our guest, be.

1156
00:59:14,559 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 2: Guest, to be our guest. I heard it throughout the house.

1157
00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:19,719
I can't tell you how how many times.

1158
00:59:19,960 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 3: Yes, that's amazing.

1159
00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 2: To me. Yeah, Jerry Orbach is fantastic and a key

1160
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,079
ingredient in this movie as well. Now here's something that

1161
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:34,800
you may not know. Okay, Missus Houseman. Yes, the Doctor's wife,

1162
00:59:34,880 --> 00:59:38,320
if you will, okay, was not originally supposed to be

1163
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,400
played by Kelly Bishop. Okay. Now Kelly Bishop did have

1164
00:59:42,400 --> 00:59:45,599
a part of the movie, but it wasn't as Baby's mom. Okay.

1165
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That part was originally supposed to be played by Lynn Lipton. Okay,

1166
00:59:51,880 --> 00:59:53,079
do you know who Lynn Lipton is?

1167
00:59:53,239 --> 00:59:53,320
Speaker 3: No?

1168
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,320
Speaker 2: Well, she did another movie in eighty seven as well.

1169
00:59:57,159 --> 01:00:01,960
It was called Thundercat's Hoe. She was the voice of

1170
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Wiley Kit and she had done Cheetah whatever the Cheetah

1171
01:00:06,079 --> 01:00:09,880
Thundercat was for the series as well. Whoa, that's Linn

1172
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Lynn Lipton. And I told you that this set was

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01:00:13,239 --> 01:00:17,039
plagued by problems, people getting hurt, people getting sick. Well,

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01:00:17,119 --> 01:00:19,280
she got sick, and she got so sick that she

1175
01:00:19,320 --> 01:00:21,719
couldn't come back. I don't know if it was like

1176
01:00:21,960 --> 01:00:24,679
got sick of the movie or really legitimately sick, but

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she was out. They didn't have a Missus Houseman, and

1178
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:30,159
you have to have Baby's Mama, yeah for sure. So

1179
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,679
what they did is they said, Kelly Bishop, you are

1180
01:00:32,719 --> 01:00:36,760
no longer going to play the cougar, the bungalow bunny,

1181
01:00:37,000 --> 01:00:40,159
the vixen, if you will, the Vivian, the vixen, Yes,

1182
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:44,519
who is getting the special dance lessons from Johnny Castle?

1183
01:00:44,719 --> 01:00:45,039
Speaker 7: Uh huh.

1184
01:00:45,480 --> 01:00:48,440
Speaker 2: You are going to play the part of missus houseman,

1185
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,800
and you're going to ease your husband's conscience throughout this movie.

1186
01:00:53,039 --> 01:00:56,480
And what's interesting the putts. You know the scene where

1187
01:00:56,480 --> 01:01:02,039
they're golfing together and she's like, what am I doing wrong? Sincaput? Sincaputt. Yeah,

1188
01:01:02,039 --> 01:01:04,639
it was originally supposed to go the other way because

1189
01:01:04,679 --> 01:01:08,119
Eleanor Bergstein's mother was a world class golfer and her

1190
01:01:08,199 --> 01:01:12,039
dad was pretty bad at golf. But Jerry Orbach actually

1191
01:01:12,079 --> 01:01:14,880
made both of those putts, and so he was so

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01:01:14,920 --> 01:01:17,880
excited about it. They're like, okay, we'll just leave it.

1193
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,719
It is. So now Kelly Bishop was supposed to be

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01:01:22,119 --> 01:01:25,880
the vixen, the one who falsely reports that Johnny has

1195
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:29,480
stolen the wallet, right, Yeah, who gets caught in bed

1196
01:01:29,559 --> 01:01:32,239
with Robbie. So they need somebody to fill that part.

1197
01:01:32,320 --> 01:01:35,239
Since Kelly Bishop's now playing the mom, who do they pick.

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Speaker 3: The assistant choreographer.

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Speaker 2: That's exactly right. Her name is Miranda Garrison. I mean,

1200
01:01:43,280 --> 01:01:46,480
she was one of the most believable characters in the movie. Absolutely,

1201
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:50,079
it's kind of funny. The assistant choreographer had a memorable

1202
01:01:50,199 --> 01:01:53,880
and very well performed part. So she was thirty seven

1203
01:01:54,280 --> 01:01:56,800
when she did this movie. Yeah, she looked older. She

1204
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:58,840
looks I mean she's cougarish.

1205
01:01:59,159 --> 01:02:01,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think it's just because we're in our forties now.

1206
01:02:01,920 --> 01:02:05,400
But she had her boobs out front and she looked great.

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01:02:05,519 --> 01:02:09,039
Speaker 2: You know, it would have been you could see how

1208
01:02:09,119 --> 01:02:11,639
Johnny struggled with the decision for a little bit there.

1209
01:02:11,880 --> 01:02:14,840
You really could. It's interesting because she was part of

1210
01:02:15,079 --> 01:02:17,800
all of the choreography that was going on. Now. The

1211
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,800
main choreographer for this movie was Kenny Ortega. Okay, And

1212
01:02:22,280 --> 01:02:25,519
it's funny because after this movie came out, suddenly Kenny

1213
01:02:25,639 --> 01:02:28,320
is getting called by Oprah and saying, Hey, can you

1214
01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:30,599
come on the Oprah Winfrey Show and teach us how

1215
01:02:30,639 --> 01:02:33,119
to do dirty dancing, to which when he gets on

1216
01:02:33,119 --> 01:02:35,000
this show, he says, well, it's kind of like having

1217
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,320
sex with your clothes on. You don't feel guilty afterwards.

1218
01:02:39,559 --> 01:02:40,440
So here's the thing.

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01:02:40,519 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 3: About Miranda Garrison right as Jennifer Gray learns to dance.

1220
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:48,199
We actually see that on screen. Okay, so she starts

1221
01:02:48,199 --> 01:02:50,800
out not so great and she works up to it. Well,

1222
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:53,920
all of that training and stuff we see on screen. Yeah,

1223
01:02:53,960 --> 01:02:57,000
the scene where Cynthia Rhodes is standing behind her with

1224
01:02:57,039 --> 01:02:59,679
her hands on her hips and kind of guiding her

1225
01:03:00,159 --> 01:03:01,679
as Johnny's dancing with her.

1226
01:03:01,840 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 2: Amazing scene that was.

1227
01:03:03,360 --> 01:03:06,639
Speaker 3: Actually done by Miranda Garrison when she's teaching Jennifer Gray

1228
01:03:06,639 --> 01:03:09,559
how to do it. And when the producer saw that happening,

1229
01:03:09,599 --> 01:03:11,719
they thought this is kind of sexy, you know.

1230
01:03:11,800 --> 01:03:15,760
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. They walked in and Kenny Ortega is teaching

1231
01:03:15,840 --> 01:03:18,639
Jennifer Gray a move and it's the same position that

1232
01:03:18,639 --> 01:03:21,039
you see man. So you've got Kenny Ortega in Patrick

1233
01:03:21,079 --> 01:03:24,440
Swayze's position, Jennifer Gray in her own position, and Miranda

1234
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:27,760
Garrison guiding her hips behind her. And when they walk

1235
01:03:27,800 --> 01:03:29,760
in and saw that, they said that has to go

1236
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:32,639
in the movie. And it's such a memorable part because

1237
01:03:33,000 --> 01:03:36,599
you are seeing him starting to fall for her and

1238
01:03:36,639 --> 01:03:39,840
you can see Penny still being in love with him

1239
01:03:40,079 --> 01:03:42,800
but realizing that he's not in love with her. It's

1240
01:03:42,920 --> 01:03:44,440
all from the look of the eyes.

1241
01:03:44,840 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 3: This movie is executed so well by the acting. Yeah,

1242
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,039
I just don't know if Sarah j Justica Parker and

1243
01:03:50,039 --> 01:03:51,559
Billy Zane could have pulled off the scene.

1244
01:03:51,679 --> 01:03:52,239
Speaker 2: I don't think so.

1245
01:03:52,480 --> 01:03:54,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, a couple more people I want to bring up. Okay,

1246
01:03:54,559 --> 01:03:57,559
Max Cantor. Yes, he plays Robbie the Douche. Yes, he

1247
01:03:57,599 --> 01:03:59,639
grew up in New York in the Dakota Building. What

1248
01:04:00,079 --> 01:04:01,639
he was friends with John Lennon? What?

1249
01:04:02,000 --> 01:04:02,320
Speaker 6: Yes?

1250
01:04:02,559 --> 01:04:03,199
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

1251
01:04:03,280 --> 01:04:06,119
Speaker 3: Yes, so this was his first major acting role. Okay,

1252
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,280
he quit showbiz to be a journalist. Okay, now get this.

1253
01:04:10,360 --> 01:04:12,079
I don't want to give too many details on this,

1254
01:04:12,159 --> 01:04:14,400
but so he was found dead in his apartment at

1255
01:04:14,440 --> 01:04:18,360
age thirty two. He had a mixture of heroin, cocaine

1256
01:04:18,400 --> 01:04:21,639
and prozac that he had been abusing since he had

1257
01:04:21,679 --> 01:04:24,639
been studying this serial killer New York. Okay, so get this.

1258
01:04:24,840 --> 01:04:28,400
The guy's name was Daniel Rakowitz. In nineteen eighty nine.

1259
01:04:28,519 --> 01:04:30,039
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, this.

1260
01:04:29,920 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 3: Guy captured and killed a dancer, cut her head off,

1261
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,960
made soup from her brains, Oh my what, and then

1262
01:04:37,039 --> 01:04:38,880
served it to homeless people in the park.

1263
01:04:39,039 --> 01:04:41,039
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh.

1264
01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 3: And so that kind of drove this guy to drugs

1265
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:44,360
and he ended up dying.

1266
01:04:44,920 --> 01:04:49,039
Speaker 2: Wow. That is a deep rabbit hole, my friend, but

1267
01:04:49,039 --> 01:04:52,760
I'm glad you went down it. Whoa intense right, his nuts.

1268
01:04:53,000 --> 01:04:55,239
Speaker 3: So the people in this movie, a lot of them

1269
01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,480
go on to be other iconic pop culture roles. Okay, yes,

1270
01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:03,440
Patrick his body in Point Break, yep, he's Dalton and Roadhouse.

1271
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:06,320
Jennifer Gray of course is Genie Bueller and Ferris Bueler's

1272
01:05:06,360 --> 01:05:11,239
Day Off. Jerry Orbach plays Lumier the candlestick from Beauty

1273
01:05:11,239 --> 01:05:14,639
and the Beast. Cynthia Road is Rosanna. Kelly Bishop is

1274
01:05:14,719 --> 01:05:16,639
Missus Gilmore from The Gilmore Girls.

1275
01:05:16,639 --> 01:05:19,559
Speaker 2: There you go. We've got the Electric Good Brother and

1276
01:05:19,639 --> 01:05:24,000
Vinner Edward Herman together with Kelly Bishop and the Gilmore Girls.

1277
01:05:24,079 --> 01:05:27,159
Speaker 3: I got one more for you to Wayne Knight. Oh right,

1278
01:05:27,519 --> 01:05:28,360
he's kind of the MC.

1279
01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1280
01:05:29,280 --> 01:05:33,599
Speaker 3: He goes on to play Newman in Seinfeld and Dennis

1281
01:05:33,679 --> 01:05:38,000
Nedri in Jurassic Park.

1282
01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:40,599
Speaker 2: I got one that's even deeper than that. Are you

1283
01:05:40,639 --> 01:05:44,159
ready for this? Yes? Bruce Morrow Okay, he's the DJ.

1284
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:46,639
Every time you hear a DJ on the radio, it's

1285
01:05:46,639 --> 01:05:50,920
Bruce Morrow because he was a DJ. Okay, he's also

1286
01:05:51,119 --> 01:05:55,079
in the movie, he's the magician. Whenever baby is getting

1287
01:05:55,079 --> 01:06:01,000
cut in half, he got blue cross. Don't you there?

1288
01:06:01,039 --> 01:06:03,639
You go? Wow? Tomorrow? Okay, guys, that's gonna do it

1289
01:06:03,679 --> 01:06:07,599
for part one of Dirty Dancing versus Saturday Night Fever,

1290
01:06:07,840 --> 01:06:10,639
be sure and come back next week for part two,

1291
01:06:10,719 --> 01:06:13,039
where we will go into the production of the movie,

1292
01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:16,599
the reception of the movie, and what's happened since then.

1293
01:06:16,719 --> 01:06:19,800
Also final judgment, Yeah, final judgment if we get to

1294
01:06:19,840 --> 01:06:22,360
decide which of these two movies is the best, and

1295
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,440
then for our next two episodes after that, we're going

1296
01:06:24,519 --> 01:06:26,880
to cover the soundtracks of both of these movies, and

1297
01:06:26,960 --> 01:06:28,880
we're going to decide which of those two.

1298
01:06:28,760 --> 01:06:30,679
Speaker 3: Is the best, and then we'll probably rank all four.

1299
01:06:30,679 --> 01:06:32,760
Speaker 2: How about that? That sounds like a challenge? All right?

1300
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,039
Come back next week, everybody. What do you call your lover?

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01:06:35,199 --> 01:06:35,400
Speaker 6: Boy?

1302
01:06:35,960 --> 01:06:37,039
Speaker 2: Come here, love a boy.

1303
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:47,559
Speaker 6: The girl