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Let's start off with this news and notes. How about
this Michael Jordan, best basketball player, the Goat. He's obviously
gotten into NASCAR and he's settled an anti trust lawsuit.
Speaker 1: Writer.
Speaker 4: NASCAR has rather settled at anti trust lawsuit with MJ's
team in midst of the trial. MJ and NASCAR chairman
testified earlier this week, I believe give us an update.
Speaker 5: Yeah, so this has been going over a couple of years,
and on our sports court we've learned quite a bit
about NASCAR and the way it operate. And you know,
the background is NASCAR is a family owned group that
is private and it provides charters to teams that want
to race a NASCAR and our guy, Michael Jordan, he's
a part owner and a couple of teams and as
we know, he's an ultra ultra competitive Well, a couple
of years back, he filed a lawsuit against NASCAR and
he challenged them, probably something that teams in the past
had wanted to do, but here you've got a billionaire
who said, hey, I'm going to challenge this, and what
his claim was is the way they were running things
violated antitrust. They were operating as a monopoly because they
had non compete agreements, they had charters that they controlled,
they had multi year contracts, they required their teams to
sign releases of claims, kind of meaning that they could
not sue them. Well, Michael Jordan sued him, and NASCAR
they kind of came back and said, well, wait a minute,
we provide financial stability, we provide benefits to our charters.
And throughout this litigation, Michael Jordan's teams they lost a
lot of it. They were making claims and file motions
and the judge didn't agree with Michael Jordan's teams. But
it goes along. They try to settle it. But guess what,
it makes it to trial. And a lot of cases
are settled well before trial, but this thing actually made
it to trial and it's about a week and a
half into trial. As part of the trial, Michael Jordan's
actually he actually testified and some of the things he said,
he goes, I really had no choice. I had to
do this for everyone, he said. I wasn't afraid to
take on NASCAR. He said someone had to step forward
and challenge the entity. I sat in those meetings with
the longtaime owners and was browbeaten for so many years
that we needed to make a change, and I wasn't
afraid I could challenge NASCAR with my resources. Well, the
chairman of NASCAR also testified at trial, and he was
very bullish, kind of saying, this is our system. You know,
I haven't changed my opinion on the charters. This is
how we've operated for years and years. This is an
eighty one year old guy. Hard to teach an old
dog a new trick. He wasn't you know, surprisingly hadn't
been challenged for years, but he was really stuck on
his position. Well, here a week and having to trial,
and incidentally, the judge came out and said, you know,
I don't see an end of this trial. This thing
is frustrated. It's going to go on forever and never Well.
Breaking news today it comes out that the parties have
reached an agreement and settled it. We don't know the
terms of the settlement, but it basically came out and
said that the statements were that let's see that this
allows the parties to move forward with a unified focus
on advancing stock car racing and delivering an exceptional competition
for our fans. Now, they really didn't want to look
at a potential loss that Nascara said. This was about progress. Teams,
drivers and partners will have stability and opportunity they deserve.
Now this outcome gives all parties the flexibility and confidence
to continue delivering unforgetting racing moments for our fans. Well,
that comes as a shock, you know. And I think
this is a real victory for Michael Jordan's teams, but
also for all the teams. You know that it's going
to give them a little say and some flexibility. I
think that the NASCAR chairman, he probably caught win. We've
talked about. I think NASCAR had a lot to lose,
but I think he caught win. That MJ's undefeated in
the finals, and that might have worried him a little bit.
But we've got a settlement. It's you know, a lot
of cases don't make the trial and a lot of
them don't settle at the time of trial. But apparently
something swung that NASCAR wanted to settle the deal.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what swung?
Speaker 4: Do you think if you were, I know, you're not
as lawyers, you're not supposed to have any sort of
conjecture here in radio world, We're like, well, what if this?
Speaker 1: What if that? What do you make of it?
Speaker 5: Well? I think it was before trial. I think the
writing was on the wall that you know, anti trust
rules and monopoly rules. This kind of fit squarely into
that that it didn't allow fair competition, you know, going
to get sponsorships and all that kind of thing. The
teams all had to kind of operate under this NASCAR umbrella,
and they were, you know, they didn't want to lose
their charters, so they basically agreed to these you know,
kind of tight terms and you know, and Jordan had
Jeffrey Kessler, who's the king of anti trust in sports law.
And I think even though Jordan lost a lot of
these motions along the way, the writing was on the
wall that potentially there could be And I think NASCAR
sage is a big risk, you know, because if Jordan loses,
guess what, he's just back to square one, right, Oh,
we're just going to operate in this system. And okay,
and you know, but there could have been appeals. For sure,
there would have been appeals by either side. So reaching
an agreement between the parties is good because they'll incan deal.
We don't know any of the details of that, and
we might even hear word that, oh they're frustrated now
because they can't come to terms on that, and they
might have to go back to the judge on these things.
But I think NASCAR saw the writing on the wall.
Speaker 1: Interesting moves. Let's move on over to college football.
Speaker 4: Michigan's head coach Sean Moore was arrested for a sold
after being fired for cause. He's going to be arranged tomorrow.
This is a chaotic one. This is a crazy one.
Give us the latest.
Speaker 6: Hey, yeah, it is a crazy one. And this is
all happening within the last twenty four hours. But what
we've learned is that Sean Moore a was fired from his.
Speaker 5: Job for cause. I can talk about that a little
bit more.
Speaker 6: But fired from his job for cause and then also
arrested on suspicion of a sexual assault and in jail.
So tomorrow he has an arraignment where he will appear
and face these charges. Kind of a preliminary thing that
happens in a criminal case, and so we don't know
a ton yet. All we know is that this involved
an inappropriate relationship with a staff and so from University
of Michigan standpoint, you know that constituted, you know, a
fireboll of sense that they could fire him for cause,
and what that means is they get out of his
contract for paying him anything. Some some nine to one
one calls were just recently released because it's been hard
to find anything on the underlying allegations with this staffer
and what happened. But one of the nine to one
one calls indicated that he'd been stocking her for months,
I think is what the caller said, and then he
had a knife something about that. And then the other
call was really involved came from it looks like his wife,
who indicated that he was suicidal over losing his job.
And so we've also learned that he's been placed on
a mental health watch of some sort of suicide watch. So, uh,
sad story. Things are really raveling for Sean Moore after
a nine to three season at Michigan where things were
looking on, you know, on the rise there. But like
I said, tomorrow with with the arraignment, where we're going
to know probably a lot more after.
Speaker 4: Tomorrow, man, sad sad dealings. Right, you can go from
top to bottom real quick. You got to keep the
trauma limited. The uh you know, there's some rules in
life that you need to abide by to stay out
of the uh, the negative the negative limelight, if you will.
So hopefully everything turns out okay. But I feel for
his family and his children.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 4: And so let's uh, I don't know what's going to
happen tomorrow. Then, I mean, they're going to be a
rain tomorrow. So what what's the next proceedings in this
uh uh this more case?
Speaker 6: Would you say, Well, those charges are going to be
read to him. He's going to have a chance to
plead guilty or not guilty. I assume he's gonna plead
not guilty. I think we'll see that. So I'm sure
he's should be consulting with counsel at this point to
talk about that. But again, these are just the preliminary
stages in the criminal case against him. Not to say
there couldn't even be on the other side of civil
case with the University of Michigan. But you know, they
were pretty quick to pull the trigger on this and
and just fire him and not wait for any kind
of outcome. I mean, there was some indication that this
investigation had been going on for some months or weeks, right,
that they'd known about this relationship.
Speaker 1: Or didn't know.
Speaker 6: And I mean those are kind of some of the
things that will happen on the you know, sort of
the personnel side of this with the University of Michigan,
But the criminal side, it's a totally different animal.
Speaker 4: Let's get over to well, staying on the gridiron, Georgia
seeks to sue to recover four hundred thousand dollars for
nil deal reach from an edge rusher who transferred Tomsy.
We wondered kind of like how they if there would
be any sort of accountability on the Nile front when
these agreements, these deals go awry give us the latest
on this one.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean, you know these are these nil contracts
or contracts, right, and in contracts, both parties have responsibilities.
You know, the player wants to get paid. If he
wasn't get paid, we'd sure hear about it, wouldn't we
If he wasn't getting his checks, we'd absolutely hear about.
But this is an interesting one. It involves a player,
Damon Wilson, who in twenty twenty four played for Georgia.
Was a pretty good player, and at the end of
twenty twenty four he an nil bill with Georgia with
what's called Classic City Collective, which was at that time
Georgia's you know, collective group, for five hundred thousand dollars
to be paid in fourteen payments of roughly thirty four
thirty to forty thousand dollars payment. After the first of
the year, he all of a sudden bounces to Missouri
to go play and he played from this whole last
season and actually he played pretty good. He had a
really good nine sacks, nine and a half tackles for loss.
And what Georgia decided to do they decided to sue
him and your first thought is, well, they're suing him
because he got five hundred grand and didn't play for him.
Well that's not the case. He only got one payment,
so essentially thirty grand. And then he left, and I'm
sure he took a deal with Missouri, which probably was
as good or better than that. And now Georgia is
suing him, and the basis for it isn't their actual damage.
They're suon him based on a clause in the contract
for liquidated damages. And this is this is really interesting.
And then I caught l contract. But in many contracts
there is a liquid damage clause that says, if either
of you breach this and we can't really ascertain the damages,
you have to pay x amount. We're just setting it here,
and everyone agrees to it, realizing we're coming into this
in good faith. We're all gonna work hard to keep
the contract going. But if one of us doesn't do it,
you know, then I have to pay this amount in
addition to the reach I got to pay this amount. Well,
that was in his contract in Georgia. Surprisingly, it's not
a really great look. Is going after him for four
hundred thousand dollars And I don't know how this, Well,
I do think I know what it turns out. I'll
bet Georgia drops this lawsuit. But maybe they're trying to
make a statement. Maybe they're mad that he had a
bunch of sacks against Georgia this year and really put
him to the task. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you wonder.
Speaker 4: I mean there's definitely a little enmity that is created
when you know these deals go awry, and you know
you want to see there's got to be some sort accountability, right.
I don't know what the legality of it is, but
they're gonna try it and then set a precedent. Has
there been any precedent set for these bleached nil deals yet?
Speaker 5: Well, we've seen one before and it didn't go well
for the university. This is kind of the person we're seeing,
and I'm the prize Georgia is doing it in this case. Now,
if they'd had made him a big payment, like let's
say that the deal had been structured at we're going
to pay you a two hundred and fifty grand now
and then spread the rest of them out over fourteen months,
but they didn't. He only got thirty thousand dollars. So
really their real damage is thirty thousand dollars in losing
a good player. Some of the president is when coaches
leave they have two years left on the contract or whatever.
Universities don't come after them and say, hey, wait a minute,
there was you know this mouth And apparently I think
the lawyers are the agents looking at this, they probably
should have said, hey, we can't agree to a liquidated
damage clause, because what happens today in world, in the
world of college football, players are unpredictable, They're fickle. They
jump as quick as they can when another deal comes,
and you can't keep track of it, you know, especially
when there were so many transfer portal windows last year.
I think it's now just one window. But yeah, the
agent agreeing to that is it's kind of a problem,
you know. I mean, from a contract standpoint, Georgia may
have a legitimate argument, you know, but from a damage standpoint,
they don't. So we'll see.
Speaker 4: Okay, we'll see how that plays out. Let's move on
to Congress. They cancel vote on the Score Act for
now courts have control. What is the Score Act and
why does this matter?
Speaker 1: Jens?
Speaker 6: Well, the Score Act stands for the Student Compensation and
Opportunity Through Rights and Endorsements Act. This is Congress's effort
to try to rein in all of the chaos in
college sports right and try to put in place some
legislation so that we can have some stability, some predictability
in college sports, especially in these areas of nil transferportal,
this sort of thing. But one of the big things
that the law would have done is it would have
given antitrust protection to the NCAA and anti trust protection,
something that we've seen in other major league sports where
you have collective bargaining and that sort of thing, and
you know, these are employees. College is different. They're not employees.
That the law, this SCORE Act, would also say that
they're not employees. College athletes are not employees. And so
it looked like for a little while that there was
some bipartisan support for this bill, that maybe it was
gonna you know, we're going to get it was going
to get some traction. But it's been tabled. Now they're
going to kick the can down the road. Maybe that's
not a surprise to people to hear that, but I
thought this was an interesting stat then that since twenty twenty,
more than forty bills have been introduced into Congress to
try to reform college sports. None of them have passed
into law, and so it's a real uphill battle. Even
if it is bipartisan, and even if everybody's frustrated and
wants to see some stability in college sports, this may
not be the way to do it. We may need to,
you know, we may need to have the n CUBA,
the schools, the conferences need to get together and put
together their own, you know, their own laws to live
by that aren't going to run a foul of antitrust
laws because because that seems to be where all the
trouble comes up and all the you know, constant lawsuits
that we see against against the cub A crazy times.
Speaker 4: One of the craziest things that happened in college athletics
will occurred here in the state of Utah.
Speaker 1: This week.
Speaker 4: Utah made a deal with the devil I'm kidding, Private
Equity and OTRO Capital there.
Speaker 1: You know, this is crazy.
Speaker 4: Give me a brief background of what you guys know
about this deal and then we'll get into some of
the legality of it all.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I mean, I don't know a lot about
the deal, only what I've read and that is that,
you know, breaking news. UNI rec of Utah Athletic Department
entered into it. They created a for profit company called
Utah Brands and Entertainment, and they would control ticketing, sponsorships, events,
And they entered into a deal with Outro Capital, a
private equity firm in New York, a firm that has
experience in the sports world in investing in teams and
leagues and that type of thing. And you know, the
firms are there. They're going to get five hundred million
in capital. And you know, obviously the thing motivating this
is to try competitive in this. I hate that we
even talk about this in this college football world that
you know that that's what it comes has come down to.
I'm a grumpy old man who liked the old system,
you know. But I think the NCAA did. I think
the NCAA didn't handle it correctly. They should have got
ahead of it and players received compensation in some form
or another. But you know, so we don't know a
lot about this. The terms are basically that there'll be
a I think one of the big things that saw
me I said, well, who has control of this and
I'll talk about it is the board is gonna be
seven members. It's going to be the ad of the U,
three Foundation members, two Ultra Capital members, and then a
h an investor member or something, you know, And I
think the U maintains control of this, That's what it's
kind of looking at.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 5: And so, uh, it's going to change some of the
booster issues. You know, Apparently there's a chance to if
you are qualified investor, you can invest in the uh,
you know, the entered sport Utah brands and entertainment. You know,
like any other investment, it's a big wait and see.
Speaker 7: You know on this.
Speaker 5: You know, there's a lot of legalities that will go
into setting this up, obviously the transaction of that. But
you know, just it was just kind of it's probably
much to do it about nothing but thinking about some legalities.
And the reason this came up is because a legislator
don't even know who it was, injected humor herself into
the conversation by saying, well, wait, wait a minute, did
the you really just do this without going through the
normal processes? Did we just sell off a part of
our state agency to private equity? And I think what
they're staying there from the legal standpoint is there are
processes when state agencies enter into contracts. You know, for example,
if it's U DOT and there's a big project, they
send it out to a bunch of contracting groups that
want to do the work, and you know, and there's
probably a bidding process that they have to do by law,
and so did they comply with that? I don't know.
Maybe it hasn't been a done deal yet. And you know,
if there's a lot of Utah fans on the legislature,
they'll be in favor of it. But you know, then
what happens if private equity comes in and says, hey,
we need to pay these people less, we need to
skinny down these staffs. People get fired and lose their
jobs of state agencies. Does that create legal issues? I
don't know. I'm just thinking like a lawyer and throwing
these potential legal issues out there. But it's probably the
way of the future. I don't think the University of
Utah is the Uh. They're the first, but not the
last school to to jump into this realm, you know,
and uh, I think you know, some schools have a
bunch of billionaires that are gonna stay invested in it,
like Texas Tech guy. I think he's just committed to it,
and so maybe they don't need to go down that road.
But it's really an interesting deal.
Speaker 1: Well it's uh, it's very much intriguing to me.
Speaker 4: And like the you know, the Title nine component to
this is intriguing to me as well, because if you
separate football from everybody else, you know, for it's a
for profit entity. I don't know how that how that
works with scholarships and and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: So very much intrigued by guys.
Speaker 5: Go ahead, you hire you hire Jane as a placekicker,
and then that'll take care of it.
Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 5: Issues. Private equity certainly isn't thinking about Title nine. And
that's something that public universities who receive federal funding, you know,
could come into play totally. Because this is what I think,
this is really all about football. Right, What if private
probably equity comes in and says, hey, you know what
that national championships ski team of yours that's been making
national championships for years and years, we need to cut that.
You know, that's not bringing any money. You know again,
anybody coming in on this, I'm just hypothesizing speculating someone
might go out there, Oh my gosh, the you's cutting
their ski program. They're not everybody, They're not.
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Speaker 4: Welcome in Brian Logan below the pass breakup being to
talk some BYU Cougar Football was that below.
Speaker 8: I don't know, man, I'm confused us to go each
minutes ago. I'm over here Texas taking run. I don't
know what's going on, but let's get to it. Let's
get to it. Let's click into it. Hey, hey, you
asked me questions. I'm answering it, and I hear I
hear program in my ear and I'm like, what are
we doing right now?
Speaker 1: What we're long? Gryby?
Speaker 8: Hey, Hey, I'm hungry. I didn't delayed. I told I
told my girlfriend number two, like yo, like, hey, come
in fifteen minutes. You know what I'm saying. Like anyway,
it's always good to hear your voice. Man, it's always
a blessing. I love you and I would do almost
anything for you. And when I mean almost, I mean
I probably want to give up my kids for you,
But anything else I.
Speaker 4: Would do that love and appreciate you below below, Hey,
this season, it's been a special one. Twenty twenty five
has been special. It's an eleven and two season. Now,
we've had many eleven and two seasons. Well, not that, Maig,
you know, but we've had double digit win seasons. You've
had You've been a part of that. An eleven and
two season in two thousand and nine. I was a
part of a couple in O six oh seven. There's
been the ninety six season was was a tremendous season.
Fourteen and one, two thousand and one, there was a
twelve win seat season. Look, I feel like this is
one of the best seasons in BA football history because
of the strength of schedule and you you made it
to a big twelve championship game.
Speaker 1: How do you see it?
Speaker 4: How magical? How special was this season for the fans,
for the media, for the players.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think I think the fact that we went
to a championship game a conference championship game and like
a power for conference championship game is what makes it special.
The other seasons. You know, some of those I can't,
I can't relate to. I was like three. I know,
I know you like Kicky, but I was too I
was too young. I was too young to be aware.
But I think I think the difference if you were
to remove that the conference championship this year, I think
that the talent that b y you currently has on
the roster versus the talent that they played and defeated,
and how they won games as far as complete blowouts,
as far as coming back and being on the road
and certain situations that were really critical in each you know,
at certain points of the season. I think that's what
makes it really special. You know, Uncle uncle Be who
I loved and adore more than anything. When I'm with
him on our pregame, post game or whenever doing shows
on by U TV, you know, I really get a
lot of insights and you know he put from from
him and when he was you know, when he played
and that eighty four championship team. And what's interesting is
they didn't know that they want that they won a
championship game until it was over right, So there was
a different type of voting system and structure back then
and and this season and where we're at right.
Speaker 7: Now in the modern day is like you win and
you're in, or if if if you win and and
this team loses, then you're in.
Speaker 8: So there's a lot more I think pressure on these
teams nowadays when heading into certain games based off of
certain situations, and I think that brings so much more
excitement right like, like there's so much more anticipation and
so much more awareness and so much more I think
fans being engaged. And I think when you when you
think about all those things I just said versus you know,
figuring out if you're if you're the conference championship at
the last game, I think it carries a little bit
more weight, you know, and that that's just that's just
my opinion. I'm not taking anything away from from those
teams or whatnot, but I think I think it's supperate
to win in the modern era, that is, you know,
in previous eras, especially when especially the areas like you
and I.
Speaker 1: Played it, h no doubt about it.
Speaker 4: It's a tougher schedule back to back to back, but
they also have more resources. They also recruit on have depth,
a little bit more depth in what we had, et cetera.
So you take it all into account. You know that
two thousand and nine season was a special one.
Speaker 1: There's no doubt.
Speaker 4: You have one of the best victories in BUA football
history number three Oklahoma at Cowboys Stadium in Orlington. BA
wasn't able to revive really of that magic in the
Big Twelve Championship unfortunately, but that was a great win.
You lost to Florida State, lost to TCU, but then
you finish off the season with a win over number
twenty two Utah in ot That was a great win
at Lavelle Edwards. And then you knocked off number sixteen
team in the country, Oregon State in the Vegas Ball
was at that game.
Speaker 1: It was a great game.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't really count that win against Oklahoma anymore
like special. I mean in the moment, okay, okay, I
said that was that came across bad. Let me take
a step back in the moment at that time, it
was amazing. I can't thank you, know, baby Jesus enough
for putting me in that situation and allowing me to
be a part of that, uh and a part of
you know, this program at that at that time. I
loved when we landed, how there was man so many
people waiting for us on the tarmac and in the airport.
I loved the videos that I seen, and yes, this
is the beginning of videos on phones, but I love
seeing how you know, there there were students and they
were like rushing and celebrating in intersections, you know, by
the school. I love, I love I love seeing all that,
and so it was it was a great moment moment
like for anybody that was involved, from athletes to fans,
to staff, et cetera, alumni, et cetera. But at the
end of the day, they finished like eighty five, you know.
So to us it's like, well, how to me a second? Well,
how good were they?
Speaker 6: You know?
Speaker 8: And this goes into a deeper conversation of what we're
dealing with right now. You have all these teams that
are ranked preseason, and then we go through the season
and a lot of them aren't ranked, a lot of
them aren't as good as we thought they were. And
then you have other teams that were never ranked and
weren't part of the discussion. And then towards the end
they are so yeah, it was it was good. It
was a great win. I loved the environment, and man,
that was my first game as a D one athlete,
coming from a junior college and to have my first
game be in a professional and a pro NFL stadium.
I mean, I couldn't ask for anything, and it's a
better storyline. But you know, at the very end of
the day, I think we can talk about this too
with like Miami, right, I don't think when when BYU
beat Miami, I don't even know if they finished or
maybe they were the only ones you know that finished
that we're in the top you know, ten or top five.
I mean that's something that that you know, you guys
get are great at great Gregor Bell. When it comes
to teams that were ranked at the beginning of the
season and or the highest teams that were ranked at
b YU won in its history, and where did they finish,
because I think we have to take that into consideration,
which obviously the College Football Playoffs is doing that right now.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean Miami in nineteen ninety only had two losses,
just so you know, they lost to b YU, who's
a good.
Speaker 1: Team that year.
Speaker 4: Obviously in nineteen ninety and they lost the number six
Notre Dame by.
Speaker 1: They finished ranked. I believe it looks like number three
in the nation.
Speaker 8: They that's the best when they they they ended up.
Speaker 4: Number three in the nation because they had well, they
had two losses. They ended up beating number three Texas
in the Cotton Bowl that year and they destroyed them
forty six to three.
Speaker 1: In fact, so.
Speaker 4: Remember BYU in nineteen ninety they they beat my and
they beat Miami. They lost the Oregon number. I want
to say, I don't know if Oregon was ranked at
that time. They ended up losing to Hawaii late in
the season, that was at Hawaii, and then they lost
to Texas A and M in the bowl game. Uh
so they started hot, they didn't end so so well
at the end of the season. They got the pride cycle.
They didn't stay humble, they didn't stay.
Speaker 8: Hungry, or maybe they had injuries.
Speaker 4: In the.
Speaker 8: Sea. I think I just think that, you know, to
answer your question, you know, more more directly, if we're
if we're using the same standards now and we're going
off with the standards of the criteria of the College
Football Playoff Committee, which is definitely flawed and there's definitely
a conspiracy there. As a side note, but if we're
using that those metrics and that criteria, we have to
take into account where that team finished, you know, not
just where they're ranked when you beat them, and from
what you just said, I would say, I would say
that that's probably the best win in BYU history now
at the moments, at the moment, you know, I think
we can have an argument that when BYU played them
in in the nineties versus the moment of when we
played them, you know, in two thousand and nine Oklahoma
in two thousand and nine.
Speaker 6: For sure.
Speaker 4: Well, it's been an awesome season. It's been a magical season,
no doubt about it. What were your preseason expectations and
how many wins did they get?
Speaker 1: Get over that preseason expectation?
Speaker 8: I mean, I mean the goal that I set for
these guys was just make it to a bowl game.
And I've been you know, two thousand and ten. It
was my senior year and we started winning for we
made history in a negative way and we were scrapping
and clawing just to get the seniors to a bowl game,
to to to finish the season off strong. Yes, for
you know, the freshmen and for recruiting and all the
stuff that that that comes with with wins and losses.
But our sole focus at that point was to get
to make sure the seniors, Like, let's do it for
the seniors. The seniors came on board as freshman's and
they have the same blood, sweat and tears and dedication
and uh, you know that that you guys have right now,
and so it's it's it's it's on us to to
you know, make sure that they that they in their careers,
you know, right, because because the latter years that they
went through everything and that they were part of the program,
they sent the seniors off right, and that you know,
big shout out to Matt Marshall. He's the one that
gave that gave that speech. So I appreciate him for that.
And that was my mindset was for this year, coming
this year, especially after after well prior to Jake, I
was like, man, if we don't go to a conference
championship game, I'm quitting b YU TV being better than
that called me. I'm not talking to nobody, it's not
doing no media nothing. I hate this team.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 8: That was my expectations. Then then when Jake left, I
was like, okay, Fellows, let's just make it to a
bowl game. And and that was my expectations going in.
And so as the season started to unfold, I really
realized that Jake wasn't the most important piece of this
team and specifically the offense. And I think you have
to give a lot of credit to obviously Bear and
him being able to perform at the level that he
he he he did as a true freshman, but even
more so, you got to give credit to a Rod
and for for him to be able to figure out
what his analyze the situation, analyze the pieces that he has,
and to be able to put a game plan in
for the offense week in and week out, to put
them in positions to be successful and to execute and
and and he did that. So you know, I love
Kline to death and and I'm you know, happy and
grateful and that he won Coach of the Year for
the Big Twelve. But I think it should be a Rod,
even though you know he's he's the offensive court and
I think it should be a Rod for what for
everything that he's had to go through.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, let's talk about that for a moment here,
there's a lot of haters out there that they'll that
don't think a Rod is a good offense cornertor they
want to go they want to part ways with him,
they want to get rid of them. Like, what's your reaction,
what's your rebuttal to those haters that I just don't
think a Rod put together a good enough offense.
Speaker 1: This year and in prior years.
Speaker 8: Yeah, reminds me of some of my ex girlfriends. Like,
you know, I you know, like there's a million things
that I do right, and then as soon as there's
one thing that I do wrong that's not that's not
even on the level of being like being able to
like like being able to break up with somebody break
up with me is like, oh, I'm sorry, like I
forgot to tell you I was going to be fifteen
minutes late, Like my bad. But what about the zillion
other things I've done right? I feel like it's like that,
you know, it's it's it's oh, I'm sorry, I'm sorry,
I'm hey. This is a little therapy for me. Yeah,
but but but think about that, like like okay, being
being real, being real, right and really comparing the analogy
analogies when you're so good at something and you constantly
hit that mark, it's expected that you're going to continue
to hit that mark. And so when you do one
thing wrong, when you call a bad play or you
call a bad game, all that like that, because you
didn't hit that mark, it's so below and because because
you were hitting that mark at such a consistent level,
that gap of not hitting that mark at one time
compared to the consistency of greatness, it's so drastic that
that that their brains turned to, oh my gosh, we
have to fire because they're not used to it, right,
They're not used to they're not used to that that
low of a performance. And I think fans and analysts
we have to understand that, and especially with with with
BYU and the church and the Gospel, we have to
understand that nobody's part. And you know, the grass is
not greener on the other side. It's not. It's just
that's just a simple fact that in life. And so
I think when you when you look at the macro
perspective and you and you look at the full body
of work from when a rod came on board to
where he's at now. The number one thing as fans
that we want to that that that we should judge
him off if is not a bad game or a
play call. It's it's it's growth. Now, I think that's
that's in everything in our lives, right in every area
of our lives and especially relationships and whatnot. It's it's growth.
And you look at when he stepped on the campus,
all the way until now this very moment that you
and I are talking. Man, we the growth is there.
Look at the stats, look at the data. You could
be extremely objective when you when you go that route
and not subjective. The subjective comes when it's because our
feelings are hurt, because we're mad. You know, maybe somebody
put a little money on something, you know what I mean?
Like this a lot of different variables of why we
get mad from a subjective standpoint, but being objective and
looking at the data and looking at how many quarterbacks
he's developed and he's sent to the league, and how
many recruits that he's he's brought on, and and the
games that he's won. I mean, come on, man, look
at the last couple of years. These guys only lost
like what three games? Four games? Like kid, I get
out of here with that.
Speaker 4: It's pretty crazy. Man, A Rod deserves as flowers. He's
he's a Broils Awards semi finalist. He may be a
finalist for all I know. I haven't updated, I haven't
taking a look at it recently, but give the.
Speaker 1: Mad As flowers, man, I don't know.
Speaker 4: There has never been an offensive coordinator ever at BYU
that has been heralded, that has been liked at at
at b AU. It's the most it's more difficult than
being the head coach at b YU, I think is
the OC.
Speaker 1: Would you agree with that?
Speaker 8: Yeah, well that's why. And that's why I said, and
that's why let's I said, respectfully, ay Rot, you get
the get the get the coach of the year for
the conference. I know, I know that can't happen, but
you like are literally making my point. You know when
when I when I said that, you know what I mean?
Speaker 4: You know what they they bring up Doug Sculville from
like the seventies, Like, come on, now, you know.
Speaker 8: That's the that's the first time I heard that.
Speaker 4: Next, no ask ask uncle be about Doug Scolvil Like
this text Uncle ba Hey, who's the greatest offensive coordinate
a b A football history? And and he's probably gonna
he may he may say Doug Scville. I think he
may say Doug s Goville. Everyone says it. He's only
there for four years, bro, four years and it was
early on in the uh in the Lavelle era.
Speaker 8: So yeah, pretty coral that instead of texting it, on'm
a tweet him and then.
Speaker 4: I want to out he was the great associate. And
has there ever been an offensive coordinator that b A
fans have actually liked and heralded?
Speaker 1: I think that's uh, that's the question of the off season,
because I don't think anyone's gonna be happy. Uh Ever, anyway,
uh be low best way to support you?
Speaker 6: What you do?
Speaker 1: How you do it? Brother? We got to get you
into an odion men's word suit. What do you say, brother?
Speaker 8: Yeah? Is it gonna be free? Is it free.
Speaker 6: You?
Speaker 8: If it's free, let's let's let's let it, Brolet's let's
do it. You know. I uh man, I like like
I tell you guys a little time. You know, I
don't I don't need Just pray for me, that's all.
Just just pray for me, you know. I'm I'm I'm
highly highly blessed and favored and anointed, and I don't
know why, you know, I continue to get the blessings
that I get in my life. I definitely the person,
the last person on this earth that that deserves it.
But I appreciate, you know, God for putting me in
the situation and and just being able to be a
part of a historic program, in a program that aligns
with my faith even though I'm not a part of it,
and the love and appreciation that I get. So that's
all I ask, man.
Speaker 5: Just just pray for me.
Speaker 8: I tell her run all the time. I'm like, man,
I just put me in your top five prayer list
to night. That's all I asked this. You know, this
just one night. You don't got to do it consistently.
But just when you think about me, or when you
see a tweet, or when you see me on TV
or you hear me on radio, just just pray for me.
You can get some some small I'm like, I'm talking
about one sentence, you know, five eight words.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: Look, every time I go to the temple, I'll put
Belo's name in the prayer role. So he makes the
top five.
Speaker 8: There you go, bro, Hey, Hey, there you go. That's why, Hey,
that's why, that's why, that's why I got these blessings overflowing.
You know in my life. I appreciate you guys.
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