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In Movie Haunts, 22 00:02:05.920 --> 00:02:09.360 I'll be reviewing movies and giving you my recommendations of 23 00:02:09.400 --> 00:02:11.680 whether you should give them a watch or give them 24 00:02:11.719 --> 00:02:14.520 a miss. But in the end it's you who make 25 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:18.919 the final decision. Being a paranormal podcast at heart, only 26 00:02:19.039 --> 00:02:23.240 movies which have a paranormal, supernatural or sci fi element 27 00:02:23.319 --> 00:02:26.000 to them will be up for review. But with that 28 00:02:26.120 --> 00:02:29.199 being said, this is a mini series which I want you, 29 00:02:29.479 --> 00:02:32.800 the listeners, to drive forwards. I want to hear from 30 00:02:32.879 --> 00:02:36.319 you with suggestions of movies which you'd like me to 31 00:02:36.360 --> 00:02:40.000 take a look at and then review. I'll then be 32 00:02:40.080 --> 00:02:43.120 putting up a poll on Patreon giving you the chance 33 00:02:43.199 --> 00:02:47.479 to give the movie a rating of one to five stars. So, 34 00:02:47.680 --> 00:02:51.240 without further ado, let's see what movie we have up 35 00:02:51.280 --> 00:02:57.680 for review for this month. Released in nineteen eighty two, 36 00:02:57.800 --> 00:03:00.000 The Thing is a sci fi horror movie directed by 37 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:04.719 John Carpenter and starring Kurt Russell, Wilford Brimley, T. K. Carter, 38 00:03:04.919 --> 00:03:09.319 David Glenn and Keith David, Richard Daisart, Charles Hallahan, Peter Maloney, 39 00:03:10.439 --> 00:03:15.479 Richard Masur, Donald Maffatt, Joel Pollis, and Thomas Waits. Carpenter 40 00:03:15.520 --> 00:03:18.280 had been on an amazing run of successful movies before 41 00:03:18.280 --> 00:03:22.199 The Thing came along, such as Assault on Precinct thirteen, Halloween, 42 00:03:22.280 --> 00:03:24.639 The Fog, and Escape from New York. But The Thing 43 00:03:24.960 --> 00:03:28.439 remains one of John Carpenter's most memorable pieces of work. 44 00:03:28.960 --> 00:03:32.360 It's actually based on the nineteen thirty eight book Who 45 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:35.960 Goes There by John W. Campbell, and was first developed 46 00:03:35.960 --> 00:03:38.280 into a motion picture in nineteen fifty one's of The 47 00:03:38.319 --> 00:03:41.520 Thing from Another World. The creature or protagonist in that 48 00:03:41.639 --> 00:03:44.360 movie was an actor in makeup and a suit, but 49 00:03:44.560 --> 00:03:47.400 John Carpenter wanted to go in a slightly different direction 50 00:03:47.520 --> 00:03:50.800 to this and instead have a number of different set 51 00:03:50.840 --> 00:03:54.280 piece creatures, and the one man who could bring The 52 00:03:54.400 --> 00:03:58.919 Thing to life was special effects genius Rob Botein. At 53 00:03:58.960 --> 00:04:01.520 the time of production and filming of The Thing, Botin 54 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.360 was only twenty three years old, and although he'd been 55 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:07.400 under the mentorship of special effects legend Rick Baker for 56 00:04:07.439 --> 00:04:10.719 a number of years, it was his stunning werewolf transformation 57 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:13.360 scene in the movie The Howling that really put him 58 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:17.079 in the spotlight. He first worked with Carpenter our nineteen 59 00:04:17.160 --> 00:04:19.879 eighties horror The Fog and actually played one of the 60 00:04:19.959 --> 00:04:23.439 dead sailors. Towards the end of the movie, Carpenter decided 61 00:04:23.480 --> 00:04:26.199 to bring him into the Thing to see if he 62 00:04:26.240 --> 00:04:29.120 could re imagine the creature and its various forms which 63 00:04:29.160 --> 00:04:33.839 Carpenter had envisioned. In the end, it was Carpenter who 64 00:04:33.920 --> 00:04:38.160 was asking Rob Botein if what he'd created was actually possible, 65 00:04:39.040 --> 00:04:41.920 and these feats you can actually see multiple times throughout 66 00:04:41.920 --> 00:04:45.959 the whole movie. Such was the massive workload alone for 67 00:04:46.040 --> 00:04:49.199 the special effects that it called for Botein to work 68 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:54.160 almost sixty full weeks straight, no breaks, and he was 69 00:04:54.199 --> 00:04:58.560 subsequently hospitalized after filming was completed due to chronic exhaustion. 70 00:04:59.519 --> 00:05:03.240 Kurt ross 's incredibly handsome beard is actually all his 71 00:05:03.439 --> 00:05:05.920 own work, and he began growing get a year before 72 00:05:05.920 --> 00:05:09.399 filming started. The movie was filmed on refrigerated sets in 73 00:05:09.480 --> 00:05:13.560 Los Angeles and on location in Alaska and British Columbia. 74 00:05:14.480 --> 00:05:16.920 Now the budget for The Thing was initially agreed at 75 00:05:16.959 --> 00:05:20.399 around ten million dollars, but this overran by some five 76 00:05:20.439 --> 00:05:23.759 million dollars due to the extensive special effects work and 77 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:27.560 set design costs, bringing the total to around fifteen million dollars. 78 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:30.639 To save money, even further, and I don't know if 79 00:05:30.680 --> 00:05:32.759 you've noticed this, by the way, we've got Marie here now. 80 00:05:34.160 --> 00:05:36.920 To save money even further, a number of scenes were cut, 81 00:05:36.959 --> 00:05:39.959 and it was decided that the movie be filmed in reverse, 82 00:05:40.639 --> 00:05:44.399 so the American camp scenes first, then the Norwegian camp 83 00:05:44.399 --> 00:05:49.240 scenes last, using the same set. The Thing was released 84 00:05:49.279 --> 00:05:51.199 on the twenty fifth of June nineteen eighty two to 85 00:05:51.279 --> 00:05:55.519 mix to negative reviews, with some describing it as quote 86 00:05:55.560 --> 00:06:00.639 instant junk, wretched, excess, cold and sterile, and best of all, 87 00:06:00.920 --> 00:06:05.600 the quintessential moron movie of the eighties. It finished its 88 00:06:05.639 --> 00:06:09.759 theatrical run making just nineteen point nine million dollars, so 89 00:06:09.839 --> 00:06:12.439 it was a box office failure for Universal Pictures and 90 00:06:12.480 --> 00:06:15.959 a huge career low point for John Carpenter. In all 91 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:20.480 fairness to Carpenter, I feel that it was Universal Pictures 92 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:24.160 that made the biggest mistake. They decided to release The 93 00:06:24.199 --> 00:06:27.079 Thing in the same month as smash hits such as 94 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:31.519 Et the Extraterrestrial, which made three hundred and fifty nine 95 00:06:31.519 --> 00:06:34.600 million dollars, Star Trek two, The Ruff of Khn seventy 96 00:06:34.639 --> 00:06:40.519 eight million dollars, Poltergeist seventy six million dollars, Firefox forty 97 00:06:40.560 --> 00:06:44.240 six million dollars Blade Runner, and this was even considered 98 00:06:44.680 --> 00:06:48.680 an absolute flop, a commercial flop. Blade Runner was, and 99 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:51.959 that still made twenty seven million dollars. Even the musical 100 00:06:52.000 --> 00:06:57.759 Anni made fifty seven million dollars. Universal didn't really do 101 00:06:57.959 --> 00:07:01.560 their due diligence here when researching the upcoming studio releases, 102 00:07:02.120 --> 00:07:04.000 and it really didn't help the thing at all. But 103 00:07:04.079 --> 00:07:07.399 when it was released on VHS, it really found its audience, 104 00:07:07.399 --> 00:07:10.800 and over the last almost forty three years since its release, 105 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:16.600 it's been reevaluated by critics who have unanimously applauded its story, script, acting, 106 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:21.079 and its director, but above all, in my opinion, Robbotine's 107 00:07:21.120 --> 00:07:24.959 truly amazing special effects work. It is now seen as 108 00:07:25.000 --> 00:07:29.360 one of the greatest sci fi horror movies ever made. So, Marie, 109 00:07:30.079 --> 00:07:33.399 you watched the Thing over the last few evenings, what 110 00:07:33.560 --> 00:07:34.839 do you think? Eh? 111 00:07:35.879 --> 00:07:42.759 Yeah, I well, yeah, it's just just firstly, it took 112 00:07:42.759 --> 00:07:46.360 me three nights to watch it, okay, because I'm pathetic 113 00:07:46.519 --> 00:07:49.040 and fall asleep as soon as I commit to watch something. Lately, 114 00:07:50.240 --> 00:07:53.000 I've got thirty minutes watch a film. That's my wingspan. 115 00:07:53.399 --> 00:07:58.120 My husband Tom probably less, so it took three nights 116 00:07:58.120 --> 00:08:02.680 and a lot of drawl right kit fall asleep. But 117 00:08:02.839 --> 00:08:06.360 it did keep me awake, and I did really enjoy it. 118 00:08:06.360 --> 00:08:11.639 It did put me off my sausage castrole. You know. 119 00:08:11.959 --> 00:08:15.680 I did make a sausage castrole the next day after 120 00:08:16.000 --> 00:08:20.240 the first part of my trilogy of viewing, and I 121 00:08:20.399 --> 00:08:24.720 fully expected it to sprout legs like a spider legs 122 00:08:24.879 --> 00:08:27.879 and just go for me. I'm not sure I can't 123 00:08:27.879 --> 00:08:32.720 eat a sausage casserole again. Actually, was this. 124 00:08:32.759 --> 00:08:35.200 The first Is this the first time you'd actually watched 125 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:35.600 the film? 126 00:08:35.679 --> 00:08:41.440 Yeah? Yeah, okay, It's always been on my radar, and 127 00:08:41.639 --> 00:08:42.840 I don't know. I guess I always thought it was 128 00:08:42.840 --> 00:08:44.320 a bit of a boy's film, which I know is 129 00:08:44.360 --> 00:08:48.120 not a very good thing to say. You know, sort 130 00:08:48.120 --> 00:08:50.480 of boys in my life have been obsessed with it, 131 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:52.720 and I guess that put me off because I don't 132 00:08:52.799 --> 00:08:54.879 like The Godfather. Ivery one loved The Godfather. I'm like, oh, 133 00:08:54.919 --> 00:08:56.720 that's a bit of a. 134 00:08:57.080 --> 00:08:58.919 Boy I'm going to make a bit of a confession. 135 00:08:58.919 --> 00:09:02.000 He obsessive. Yeah what, I'm not really a fan of 136 00:09:02.039 --> 00:09:05.600 the No No. I I was a little bit bored 137 00:09:05.639 --> 00:09:07.960 by it, but anyway, I wasn't with a thing. I 138 00:09:08.000 --> 00:09:12.320 absolutely loved it. And you know, apart from the sausage 139 00:09:12.360 --> 00:09:16.080 castle role thing, I just's so much I want to 140 00:09:16.120 --> 00:09:20.399 say about it. Okay, I just loved it. I loved 141 00:09:20.679 --> 00:09:22.840 the opening, and I loved the ending. 142 00:09:23.799 --> 00:09:27.639 Okay, So the opening, we see at the very start 143 00:09:27.639 --> 00:09:30.519 of the film, a strange event happening with a helicopter 144 00:09:31.039 --> 00:09:34.480 chasing a By the way, before we do continue, there 145 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:36.559 are going to be spoilers in this, So if you 146 00:09:36.679 --> 00:09:38.720 don't want to know any more about the movie or 147 00:09:39.519 --> 00:09:43.919 maybe some spoiler plots here and there, switch off. Yeah, 148 00:09:43.960 --> 00:09:47.000 but if you want to hear more about a sausage 149 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:49.840 castle role spreading legs, then just carry on listening. So 150 00:09:50.320 --> 00:09:52.799 we see a strange thing with the helicopter chasing a 151 00:09:52.919 --> 00:09:55.320 husky dog, and I love that dog. 152 00:09:55.399 --> 00:09:57.360 I was like, please, I was going to text you, 153 00:09:57.440 --> 00:09:59.960 so Steve, tell me something happens to that dog. 154 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.000 Doesn't die, A lots of things happen to that dog 155 00:10:03.080 --> 00:10:05.120 and all of the other dogs unfortunately. 156 00:10:05.240 --> 00:10:08.799 Yeah, but I really liked how it almost felt like 157 00:10:08.879 --> 00:10:11.159 you were watching the end of another film at the start, 158 00:10:12.080 --> 00:10:15.600 because you're in the middle of the action straight away 159 00:10:15.039 --> 00:10:17.879 and got his beautiful husky dog running against his start 160 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:23.440 backdrop of the snow, and you've got this helicopter ferociously 161 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:34.639 hunting it down, and you realize this isn't the Christmas Chronicles. 162 00:10:31.399 --> 00:10:34.440 But it's definitely He's definitely not Santa. 163 00:10:34.679 --> 00:10:37.799 And I'm like, please don't kill that dog. But I 164 00:10:37.919 --> 00:10:41.000 sort of wish they did. Not No, I didn't want 165 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:44.200 or not. You know, I love dogs, but but knowing 166 00:10:44.240 --> 00:10:49.639 what I know, now, yeah, and I thought the dog scene, 167 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:53.279 which is sort of the first show piece but isn't 168 00:10:53.279 --> 00:10:57.559 it with the special effects, was absolutely brilliant and awful 169 00:10:57.960 --> 00:11:02.720 at the same time. And I've got my English teacher 170 00:11:02.879 --> 00:11:05.799 media teacher hat on here. I'm really sorry, but no, this. 171 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:06.720 Is fine, this is great. 172 00:11:06.759 --> 00:11:09.919 The dogs sort of reminded me of the men. I 173 00:11:09.919 --> 00:11:14.320 thought there's a bit of a similarity because they're both impacts, 174 00:11:14.799 --> 00:11:20.600 and the men with that fairy Parker jackets a bit 175 00:11:20.720 --> 00:11:22.600 a bit dog like, aren't they a little bit feral 176 00:11:22.720 --> 00:11:27.399 and together? And I just thought it was really clever, 177 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:30.240 how you sort of they sort of the dogs sort 178 00:11:30.240 --> 00:11:32.759 of foreshadow what's going to happen to the men, And 179 00:11:33.120 --> 00:11:35.440 I don't know, I just thought was interesting, you know, 180 00:11:35.480 --> 00:11:38.080 I felt like the dogs in a way were just 181 00:11:38.120 --> 00:11:38.600 like the men. 182 00:11:39.399 --> 00:11:41.720 Yeah, would you like to have an interesting fact about 183 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:44.000 the dog the star beautiful dogs. 184 00:11:44.039 --> 00:11:47.399 I love them dogs consume by the thing. 185 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:51.399 Yeah, that that particular dog was half wolf. 186 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:53.720 Really, I like a real wolf. 187 00:11:54.519 --> 00:11:58.960 It was half wolf. And Clark, the guy who you 188 00:11:59.000 --> 00:12:02.679 know the characters, wasn't it. Yeah, yeah, but he he 189 00:12:03.240 --> 00:12:06.960 bonded quite quite you know, quite closely to the dog. 190 00:12:07.600 --> 00:12:09.799 But what he said, the one scene that he said 191 00:12:10.200 --> 00:12:13.200 really terrified him was the bit where they where he 192 00:12:13.240 --> 00:12:15.799 puts the dog in the pen with the other dogs 193 00:12:16.320 --> 00:12:18.480 and he walks away and the dog just sits there, well, 194 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:20.960 lies there, and he's just staring. 195 00:12:20.600 --> 00:12:23.399 Straight and you know something's gonna happen. 196 00:12:23.799 --> 00:12:26.600 And he said when they actually filmed that, the dog 197 00:12:26.639 --> 00:12:29.799 just didn't move. It was just staring. Yeah. It was 198 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:32.320 creeping the film crew out while they were doing it 199 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:37.000 because it just didn't move at all. It just didn't move. So, 200 00:12:37.080 --> 00:12:39.399 as you say, yeah, the first the first set piece 201 00:12:39.480 --> 00:12:42.639 kicks off, and it is in my opinion, I just 202 00:12:42.879 --> 00:12:47.159 think it's spectacular. I watched this, oh yeah, probably eighty 203 00:12:47.279 --> 00:12:50.240 four eighty five, around the time of Back to the Future, 204 00:12:50.399 --> 00:12:53.480 and I've always said that there are two movies that terrified. 205 00:12:53.759 --> 00:12:56.120 One was American Werewolf in London. I watched it way 206 00:12:56.120 --> 00:12:59.240 too long. Now people will look at that again and 207 00:12:59.320 --> 00:13:01.639 just think it's it's this and that. I still don't 208 00:13:01.639 --> 00:13:02.919 think it's and. 209 00:13:03.559 --> 00:13:04.039 No it's not. 210 00:13:04.159 --> 00:13:06.919 I think there are a couple of there's an element 211 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:09.679 in American Werewolf that frightens me. And what frightens me 212 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:12.759 with the American Werewolf is that opening set of scenes. 213 00:13:13.240 --> 00:13:17.120 They don't do what normal people in horror movies go 214 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:24.279 and do they accidentally stray off that road. They as 215 00:13:24.279 --> 00:13:27.440 soon as they start hearing noises. It's there is going 216 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:30.000 to be some language in this, this, this, these these reviews. 217 00:13:30.000 --> 00:13:32.399 By the way, it's like ship David, what is that 218 00:13:32.879 --> 00:13:35.559 they are? They are doing everything that you would normally do. Right, 219 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:37.519 let's turn around to walk away and you know. 220 00:13:37.480 --> 00:13:39.960 What, That's what the thing is like as well, because 221 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:42.000 they do stuff that you would do. 222 00:13:42.840 --> 00:13:47.720 Yeah, now, this is why the thing frightened me because 223 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:50.159 of the special effects, especially because of that dog at 224 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:52.879 the start. You know, when when I was that you, 225 00:13:53.399 --> 00:13:58.240 I'd never look at a dog in the same way. 226 00:13:58.519 --> 00:14:02.720 But what I found fascinating about it was it's something 227 00:14:02.759 --> 00:14:05.919 that could happen yeah, it is something that could easily happen. 228 00:14:06.039 --> 00:14:09.120 You have no idea what is under those layers and 229 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:12.240 layers of ice in the Arctic and Antarctic, you know, 230 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:13.720 in the polar regions. 231 00:14:14.120 --> 00:14:14.559 Isn't it. 232 00:14:15.240 --> 00:14:18.960 Yeah, we've also got no idea of the lakes that 233 00:14:19.000 --> 00:14:21.840 are hidden underneath. And I think that you know, yeah, 234 00:14:21.919 --> 00:14:25.159 there have been you know, Russian scientists that have drilled 235 00:14:25.200 --> 00:14:27.799 down into some of these likes and the thing is 236 00:14:27.960 --> 00:14:30.799 you're you're drilling into something that's probably got millions and 237 00:14:30.879 --> 00:14:34.840 millions of years old bacteria in stuff that we have 238 00:14:35.000 --> 00:14:37.519 no idea how it's going to affect the human rights. 239 00:14:37.360 --> 00:14:37.759 Never thought. 240 00:14:39.440 --> 00:14:42.799 Yeah, these are the things that sent me completely paranoid 241 00:14:42.840 --> 00:14:44.759 with the thing. And that was the other thing that 242 00:14:44.840 --> 00:14:47.559 I loved about it. Yeah, the paranoia, Oh. 243 00:14:47.440 --> 00:14:51.000 My god, absolutely, are you not? Well we'll talk about 244 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:52.919 the ending in a minute, but you're not sure who 245 00:14:53.039 --> 00:14:54.720 is in the simulation. 246 00:14:54.320 --> 00:14:54.559 Do you? 247 00:14:54.960 --> 00:15:00.679 And yeah, what was it? So much of it that 248 00:15:01.080 --> 00:15:04.200 scared me? But I think what just similar to you 249 00:15:04.240 --> 00:15:11.240 is so the paranoia and that mimicry. Mimics scare me anyway, 250 00:15:11.279 --> 00:15:15.000 and doppelgangers, all that kind of thing. And also I 251 00:15:15.000 --> 00:15:19.639 guess the men were like things to the thing. You know, 252 00:15:19.759 --> 00:15:24.480 the thing didn't really care about didn't really care about 253 00:15:24.639 --> 00:15:29.240 Kurt Russell's beard or them as a person or individuals. 254 00:15:30.480 --> 00:15:33.080 You do, but I do, but the thing doesn't. It's 255 00:15:33.720 --> 00:15:36.360 just a host. There were just hosts for it is 256 00:15:36.480 --> 00:15:40.679 a viral things fact, whatever it is, whatever the thing is, 257 00:15:41.039 --> 00:15:42.840 you just saw that as hosts. I didn't seem to 258 00:15:42.960 --> 00:15:47.159 human or people. And that scares me. I kind of 259 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:51.919 think that's what aliens might be. Like, that's what scares me. 260 00:15:52.039 --> 00:15:54.440 They won't care about Obviously, they're not going to see 261 00:15:54.519 --> 00:15:57.080 us as people. They're going to see us it's just 262 00:15:57.200 --> 00:16:00.559 things as well, do you know what I mean? Like 263 00:16:00.840 --> 00:16:03.080 we just see us as not even food, just sort 264 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:06.600 of hosts. It's horrible. I don't know if I made 265 00:16:06.639 --> 00:16:08.759 sense at all there. I've just blabbered on, but. 266 00:16:09.200 --> 00:16:11.639 It's perfect sense. One of the other. A few of 267 00:16:11.639 --> 00:16:14.200 the interesting things that Rob Boteine said when he was 268 00:16:14.200 --> 00:16:18.720 designing the creatures was he each creature was drastically different 269 00:16:18.759 --> 00:16:22.159 from the last one, and he said the reason for 270 00:16:22.200 --> 00:16:25.240 that was because when he read the script, he looked 271 00:16:25.240 --> 00:16:30.200 at the script and felt that the thing was a 272 00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.799 type of collector. Yeah, it had been all over the 273 00:16:33.279 --> 00:16:35.559 you know, all over the galaxy, through the universe, and 274 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:39.879 collected these various samples of creatures and animals and simulated them. 275 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:41.919 Yeah, that's horrible. 276 00:16:41.600 --> 00:16:44.559 And yeah, and it could be anything, you know, it 277 00:16:44.600 --> 00:16:47.200 could you never properly actually see what the real thing is, 278 00:16:47.320 --> 00:16:47.559 like you. 279 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:49.879 See that's right? What is it? I mean, what the 280 00:16:49.919 --> 00:16:52.840 hell is it? It's just horrible. 281 00:16:52.919 --> 00:16:54.679 We will get to that towards the end. 282 00:16:54.720 --> 00:16:58.519 Okay, I've got so many questions and okay, I mean, 283 00:16:58.559 --> 00:17:02.440 are you are you real, Steve? You're not in a similation, 284 00:17:02.559 --> 00:17:11.400 are you? It's yeah, reason but that was a scary 285 00:17:11.440 --> 00:17:13.119 thing about it is that you don't know who's who. 286 00:17:13.200 --> 00:17:15.599 You don't know who the thing is, not even at 287 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:18.680 the end, which we'll talking about in the moment, because 288 00:17:18.759 --> 00:17:21.440 I absolutely when I first watched the ending, I was like, 289 00:17:21.480 --> 00:17:25.559 what's that it? But on reflection, I thought it was 290 00:17:25.640 --> 00:17:30.559 bloody brilliant, absolutely brilliant, very brave because I had different endings, 291 00:17:30.559 --> 00:17:34.240 didn't they as well? They had was rescued and they 292 00:17:34.319 --> 00:17:38.200 tested his blood and it was all okay. But I 293 00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:41.839 I really love the ending because I don't know it all. 294 00:17:42.960 --> 00:17:46.319 It's like they just sort of realize that they're screwed 295 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:50.599 and that's not what you expect at all. You know, 296 00:17:50.720 --> 00:17:52.799 they're just sort of that's just so much like life. 297 00:17:52.799 --> 00:17:55.160 There's not always a solution, is there. 298 00:17:55.559 --> 00:17:57.599 Yeah, yeah, exactly, and it's. 299 00:17:57.960 --> 00:17:59.880 They were just like, oh bugger, but like me and 300 00:17:59.880 --> 00:18:02.440 you when the recording goes wrong or something of that 301 00:18:02.519 --> 00:18:08.960 kind of scenario. Yeah. I just thought that was that 302 00:18:09.079 --> 00:18:12.759 was really clever, really clever. Left it open and you're 303 00:18:12.759 --> 00:18:16.000 not sure if child if child's is. 304 00:18:17.119 --> 00:18:25.440 Child's disappeared through that whole end process. Yeah, you know, 305 00:18:25.559 --> 00:18:27.400 I think you know, when they went down into the 306 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:30.240 generator room, that was a great line. You know, MacCready 307 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:33.599 the generator is gone. Well we'll have to summon to 308 00:18:33.759 --> 00:18:37.880 backup per or something. No, it's gone. The generator had 309 00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:41.039 just completely been ripped out of its hous You said. 310 00:18:41.000 --> 00:18:46.000 Really interesting about VHS. Yes, did you went this from 311 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:46.680 the video shop? 312 00:18:46.960 --> 00:18:47.640 Yes? I did. 313 00:18:47.839 --> 00:18:49.799 Is that how you first came across it, because obviously 314 00:18:49.799 --> 00:18:52.319 that's how it became popular, wasn't it? But there was 315 00:18:52.519 --> 00:18:53.960 I don't know. I mean, we were both of the 316 00:18:54.000 --> 00:18:57.160 same generation where we went to the video shop and 317 00:18:57.279 --> 00:19:01.160 it was a magical thing, wasn't it. You can discover 318 00:19:01.279 --> 00:19:05.079 new titles on your own terms. Yeah, and that's obviously 319 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:07.759 what happened for a lot of people here. But I 320 00:19:07.839 --> 00:19:09.640 really missed going to the video shop. 321 00:19:09.680 --> 00:19:12.400 Actually, I always used to like going to Blockbuster, to 322 00:19:12.440 --> 00:19:12.839 be honest. 323 00:19:13.519 --> 00:19:18.640 Yeah, titles. Just miss those days. Just you know, kids 324 00:19:18.640 --> 00:19:21.000 today just have. 325 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:25.880 That at that excitement of sticking a videotape in a 326 00:19:25.960 --> 00:19:27.799 video video machine and. 327 00:19:27.960 --> 00:19:31.400 Yeah, having to rewind it. But I guess, I mean 328 00:19:31.440 --> 00:19:33.640 it's it's a sort of film that benefits from a 329 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:36.680 rewash as well, isn't it. Yes, so you can notice 330 00:19:36.720 --> 00:19:39.400 more stuff. But I suppose that's what I'm trying to 331 00:19:39.400 --> 00:19:41.839 imagine you in eight is you know, get it from 332 00:19:41.839 --> 00:19:43.920 the video shop. I'm probably watching it quite a few times, 333 00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:44.839 is that what? 334 00:19:45.200 --> 00:19:48.359 Yeah? Yeah, I watched the I watched it the first time, 335 00:19:48.519 --> 00:19:52.680 and yeah, I was kind of terrified with it, but 336 00:19:52.759 --> 00:19:56.839 I was in absolute awe of it, you know, because 337 00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:58.720 of the special effects, but because I was quite I 338 00:19:58.759 --> 00:20:00.640 was just really interested in the acting as well. And 339 00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:04.400 I love the element of paranoia that gets injected through 340 00:20:04.440 --> 00:20:07.519 the entire crew, as you say, through all of it. 341 00:20:07.559 --> 00:20:10.839 They don't know if the person standing next to them 342 00:20:10.920 --> 00:20:14.000 is real. And I think that's terrifying, especially in an 343 00:20:14.079 --> 00:20:17.480 environment where you've got no escape, you cannot get out. 344 00:20:19.240 --> 00:20:20.960 Oh yeah, that's it. They're so isolated. 345 00:20:21.119 --> 00:20:24.440 Yeah, I think that's a brilliant that is. They really 346 00:20:24.519 --> 00:20:26.319 hit on a trick when they when that, you know, 347 00:20:26.359 --> 00:20:29.799 when they set it out there. Yeah, because you know, 348 00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:32.839 they didn't need a big cast, so you kind of 349 00:20:32.920 --> 00:20:35.039 get to know them a bit more. I mean quite 350 00:20:35.039 --> 00:20:36.799 a few scenes were cut and left on the on 351 00:20:36.880 --> 00:20:39.200 the you know, the editing floor, which would have explained 352 00:20:39.200 --> 00:20:41.359 a little bit more about the characters. But I think 353 00:20:41.480 --> 00:20:45.160 Universal just wanted it chopped down to a smaller run time, 354 00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:50.000 which you know, as John Carpenter would probably admit, most 355 00:20:50.000 --> 00:20:52.759 director's cuts are probably like thirteen hours, and that's how 356 00:20:52.799 --> 00:20:55.400 they would love it to be seen. But you can't. 357 00:20:55.759 --> 00:20:57.759 You can't really repeat it that many times a day 358 00:20:57.799 --> 00:21:02.720 if your film's thirteen hours long. But yeah, I loved 359 00:21:02.720 --> 00:21:04.880 it for a lot of different reasons like that. And 360 00:21:04.920 --> 00:21:06.559 it was all around the same time, as I say 361 00:21:06.599 --> 00:21:08.839 American Well, and I'll tell you another one that came 362 00:21:08.880 --> 00:21:11.359 out around the same time, and that frightened me as well, 363 00:21:11.799 --> 00:21:14.039 and that was The Fly with Jeff Goldblum. 364 00:21:14.599 --> 00:21:15.640 I've never seen the Fly. 365 00:21:15.799 --> 00:21:19.200 We'll have to do the Fly because he gives a 366 00:21:19.240 --> 00:21:23.039 real tour de force. Jeff Goldblum does the amount of 367 00:21:23.200 --> 00:21:25.400 makeup and stuff that he had to go through to 368 00:21:25.440 --> 00:21:28.880 do that. But it was it's kind of messing with 369 00:21:31.400 --> 00:21:35.000 it's messing with nature or nature messing with you, and 370 00:21:35.799 --> 00:21:38.599 it's tragic, and that I kind of found a very 371 00:21:38.680 --> 00:21:41.720 very similar thing with the thing it was, especially when 372 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:43.799 it gets to the end of It's tragic. You've got 373 00:21:43.799 --> 00:21:48.319 no idea what's going on, You've got no idea if 374 00:21:48.359 --> 00:21:50.359 one of them is actually the thing. It leaves it 375 00:21:50.400 --> 00:21:53.440 just so open ended. And then it made me start thinking, 376 00:21:53.839 --> 00:21:57.440 but what if a helicopter rescue that rescue helicopter and 377 00:21:57.480 --> 00:22:01.160 that rescue mission the windows were constantly trying to get 378 00:22:01.200 --> 00:22:04.400 through to on the radio, trying to get a rescue 379 00:22:04.440 --> 00:22:06.680 mission organized. What if that actually turned up and fend 380 00:22:06.680 --> 00:22:09.799 them frozen to death? Yeah, and then took them back 381 00:22:09.839 --> 00:22:11.160 to a civilized you. 382 00:22:11.119 --> 00:22:18.599 Know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, equal, wouldn't it Yeah? Yeah? 383 00:22:18.759 --> 00:22:20.400 I mean at the end of the film, it felt 384 00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:22.240 like it was going to begin again as well, didn't 385 00:22:22.279 --> 00:22:25.039 you That they're found and then someone else has been 386 00:22:25.160 --> 00:22:26.599 the same scenario. 387 00:22:26.319 --> 00:22:28.599 Yeah, but again I think it was the Box Office 388 00:22:28.640 --> 00:22:31.039 that killed it from from the making a sequel. I 389 00:22:31.039 --> 00:22:33.279 think there was there was a sequel being written to it. 390 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:37.799 But the other thing that the other thing that frightened 391 00:22:37.799 --> 00:22:40.319 me as well was when you see Blair doing the 392 00:22:40.319 --> 00:22:41.559 calculations on the computer. 393 00:22:42.400 --> 00:22:43.079 Yeah. 394 00:22:43.480 --> 00:22:45.759 Yeah, I know they're kind of you know, worse. 395 00:22:47.000 --> 00:22:48.839 Yeah, I really love a computers. 396 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:51.960 But it was you know, how it worked, how it 397 00:22:52.000 --> 00:22:56.319 got yeah, you know, captured the cells and replicated them. 398 00:22:56.359 --> 00:23:00.559 And then he asks the question, you know, projection about 399 00:23:00.720 --> 00:23:04.160 if it reached a populated area, was it twenty seven 400 00:23:04.279 --> 00:23:07.000 thousand hours? I think from first contact it would take 401 00:23:07.039 --> 00:23:10.960