WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.639 --> 00:01:02.520 Way wait a sad. 2 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:08.159 Welcome back to Midnight Viewing, the Horror anthology podcast. With 3 00:01:08.280 --> 00:01:10.599 this season, we're taking a look at George A. Romero's 4 00:01:10.680 --> 00:01:13.879 nineteen eighties series Tales from the Dark Side. Sharing the 5 00:01:13.920 --> 00:01:16.879 Midnight view with me are the Culture Casts, Chris Statue, 6 00:01:17.079 --> 00:01:20.159 Hey Grace and the projection booths Mike White. 7 00:01:20.239 --> 00:01:23.359 Goodbye Audience, Goodbye, Goodbye Audience. 8 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:26.560 Season three's opening on a bear. 9 00:01:27.879 --> 00:01:30.239 Night, we are taking a look at two episodes from 10 00:01:30.280 --> 00:01:32.879 season three, the very first two episodes from season three. 11 00:01:32.879 --> 00:01:35.599 Those are the Circus and I can't help saying goodbye 12 00:01:35.879 --> 00:01:38.480 before we get going. In the last episode, I misspoke 13 00:01:38.480 --> 00:01:42.079 about William Tyler leaving the series season three and going 14 00:01:42.079 --> 00:01:46.000 to Amazing Stories. William Tyler joined the series here, I 15 00:01:46.079 --> 00:01:48.680 meant Mitchell Galen. He was the original, one of the 16 00:01:48.680 --> 00:01:51.480 original story editors for seasons one and two, and now 17 00:01:51.519 --> 00:01:54.040 he's over there to make stories. How many of those 18 00:01:54.079 --> 00:01:54.879 stories were amazing? 19 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:57.680 I seem to remember a fair bit, but then again, 20 00:01:57.719 --> 00:02:00.640 it could be Twilight. So eighty five cents three and 21 00:02:00.680 --> 00:02:01.560 the rest are Dogship. 22 00:02:01.640 --> 00:02:04.799 Pretty sure it's only now this season. This is definitely 23 00:02:04.879 --> 00:02:08.759 in the wake of Romero and Rubinstein kind of splitting, 24 00:02:09.120 --> 00:02:11.639 so they're both still involved in the series. But let's 25 00:02:11.639 --> 00:02:14.120 say Rubenstein just a little bit more than Romero, even 26 00:02:14.159 --> 00:02:17.800 though Romero provides the script here right up front. And oh, 27 00:02:17.840 --> 00:02:19.599 I was just talking off air with Mike about this, 28 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:22.719 and I'd mentioned on another podcast pet Cemetery. When Stephen 29 00:02:22.800 --> 00:02:25.280 King sold pet Cemetery, he sold it, he sold it 30 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:28.159 to George Romero so George Romero could make it. And 31 00:02:28.199 --> 00:02:32.639 then Laurel Entertainment, the company that Rubinstein and Romero shared, 32 00:02:33.080 --> 00:02:36.520 went off and made it without Romero, but didn't help 33 00:02:36.560 --> 00:02:40.639 their relationship at all. But speak yeah, speaking of Romero. 34 00:02:41.159 --> 00:02:44.879 Episode one of season three, The Circus. This originally aired 35 00:02:44.919 --> 00:02:47.639 on September the eighth, nineteen eighty six. Written by George A. 36 00:02:47.759 --> 00:02:51.240 Romero from a story my Sydney Jay Bounds, and directed 37 00:02:51.240 --> 00:02:55.319 by Romero stalwart Michael Garnick. This one stars William Hickey, 38 00:02:55.599 --> 00:02:58.879 Kevin O'Connor, David Thornton, and Ed French. It's a story 39 00:02:58.919 --> 00:03:02.439 of Brag, a old weary investigative journalists who gets his 40 00:03:02.520 --> 00:03:05.840 kicks by exposing frauds, and Charlatan's who happens upon a 41 00:03:05.879 --> 00:03:09.280 circus that might be everything. It's advertising, even if it 42 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:11.159 isn't for kids. What do you think of this one? 43 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:11.759 Chris O? 44 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:13.879 Man, what did you have to ask me? What it's like? 45 00:03:13.919 --> 00:03:16.039 We're watching a different show all of a sudden, and 46 00:03:16.120 --> 00:03:20.840 I'm so sad. I don't understand what happened to your father, Milie. 47 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.159 This used to be a show that I held in 48 00:03:23.240 --> 00:03:25.400 rather high regard, and all of a sudden, the show 49 00:03:25.439 --> 00:03:26.919 has taken a little bit of a turd. 50 00:03:27.800 --> 00:03:29.400 Say, it's taken a little bit of a turd. 51 00:03:29.840 --> 00:03:35.080 A turn, not a turn? You are or William Hickey's fine, 52 00:03:35.439 --> 00:03:39.120 Kevin O'Connor is fine. I think stories since they're literally 53 00:03:39.120 --> 00:03:41.120 a Tales from the Crypt episode just like. 54 00:03:41.039 --> 00:03:43.599 This on the end of the night Gallery and it's twilight, 55 00:03:43.759 --> 00:03:46.000 and there's always somebody exposing the thing, and then the 56 00:03:46.039 --> 00:03:47.960 thing turns out to be a real shore right. 57 00:03:48.080 --> 00:03:51.240 Yeah, but I'm talking more specifically at a circus. Look, 58 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:54.800 William Pickey Tales from the Crypt directed by Arnold Schwarzenegger. 59 00:03:54.960 --> 00:03:57.520 That was at Venice Beach, not the circus, I know, no, 60 00:03:57.719 --> 00:04:00.479 but just you guys had me watch the one we 61 00:04:00.520 --> 00:04:01.080 made you watch. 62 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:04.919 Yes, that's one of several little did you know you'd 63 00:04:04.919 --> 00:04:07.360 be hosting your own horror anthology show much late. I 64 00:04:07.479 --> 00:04:09.919 thought it was me personally, and I think that the 65 00:04:09.960 --> 00:04:12.840 set design is probably part and Parcelize. The set design 66 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:15.439 is pretty pretty pretty. What about you, Mike? 67 00:04:15.759 --> 00:04:17.480 So this is how are you going to start off 68 00:04:17.480 --> 00:04:20.560 your third Yeah? This is it right here. A bunch 69 00:04:20.600 --> 00:04:25.000 of dime store costumes and William Hickey just chewing up 70 00:04:25.040 --> 00:04:28.120 the scenery and Kevin O'Connor doing the same. I'm surprised 71 00:04:28.120 --> 00:04:31.600 they didn't get into fights over. I love William Hickey absolutely, 72 00:04:31.600 --> 00:04:34.199 and that was the saving grace of that episode of 73 00:04:34.360 --> 00:04:36.480 Tales from the Crypt that you got me watch. Uh, 74 00:04:36.839 --> 00:04:39.600 he can't save in my pinion, things like wasn't he 75 00:04:39.680 --> 00:04:41.040 in too Evil Eyes? 76 00:04:41.360 --> 00:04:44.079 No, he was in Tales from the Dark Side the movie? 77 00:04:44.160 --> 00:04:48.000 Oh okay, which did they have Buster Poindexter as well? 78 00:04:48.199 --> 00:04:51.199 Absolutely? The can't Folk from the Stephen King shirt star 79 00:04:51.360 --> 00:04:52.199 Oh okay. 80 00:04:51.920 --> 00:04:54.199 So that's different than two Evil Eyes? 81 00:04:54.480 --> 00:04:57.240 Yeah? Man, that's the black Cat with Harvey Kaike tail 82 00:04:57.319 --> 00:04:59.160 based on the Edgar Allen Poe shirtst. 83 00:04:58.959 --> 00:05:02.040 Okay, But isn't there a second to that where something 84 00:05:02.160 --> 00:05:04.120 like the cat come out of Buster. 85 00:05:04.439 --> 00:05:06.240 Yes, that's the cat from Hell from Tails from the 86 00:05:06.319 --> 00:05:07.839 Dark Side Spot holy shit. 87 00:05:08.279 --> 00:05:14.000 Okay, wow man, Yeah that was bad too. Uh. 88 00:05:14.360 --> 00:05:17.759 Yeah, this You're suggesting so many great things to. 89 00:05:18.399 --> 00:05:19.759 This, all of them. 90 00:05:19.800 --> 00:05:24.839 Do this set design everything. We're gonna use light to 91 00:05:25.240 --> 00:05:28.680 do lightning, just yeah, dollar store type of things. And 92 00:05:28.720 --> 00:05:31.199 then it's I hate to say it, it's it feels 93 00:05:31.240 --> 00:05:33.959 like a blackout skip from Night Gallery. I mean that 94 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.160 you've got like the people keep saying, oh, I must 95 00:05:37.160 --> 00:05:40.199 have downloaded the wrong version of Asfaratu, and that's what 96 00:05:40.279 --> 00:05:43.720 this one felt like. Like you see the vampire and 97 00:05:43.720 --> 00:05:47.160 I'm just like, Okay, boy, he looks really bad. But wait, 98 00:05:47.600 --> 00:05:52.639 there's more. There's the Wolfman and the Mummy and Frankenstein. 99 00:05:52.720 --> 00:05:55.959 And when Frankenstein shows up, I'm just like, really, really 100 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:59.759 we're doing this? Is all those other things are creatures 101 00:06:00.079 --> 00:06:02.600 that have been around forever. And then when you get 102 00:06:02.600 --> 00:06:05.600 to Frankenstein, I'm like, Okay, yeah, we're just gonna have 103 00:06:05.879 --> 00:06:09.000 all of the knockoff universal monster type thing. That's what 104 00:06:09.040 --> 00:06:12.319 we're doing. And yeah, I was really reminded of so 105 00:06:12.360 --> 00:06:16.839 many better things. I was reminded of Nightmare Alley original adaptation, 106 00:06:17.000 --> 00:06:18.920 not the Del Toro, but the whole thing of the 107 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:22.759 guy hearing the geek and then becoming the geek or 108 00:06:23.480 --> 00:06:27.600 the ending of Freaks. That is wonderful. I just kept 109 00:06:27.600 --> 00:06:30.560 thinking of better things to be. William Hickey, try as 110 00:06:30.600 --> 00:06:32.879 he might, could not say this, but I'm hoping to 111 00:06:32.920 --> 00:06:33.959 hear you redeemed by. 112 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:36.959 The Oh I love this one. No, I'm good, I. 113 00:06:40.480 --> 00:06:42.879 Come on. Maybe he saw something in this that I could. 114 00:06:43.240 --> 00:06:46.319 I saw William Hickey in a spangly shirt, and that 115 00:06:46.480 --> 00:06:49.680 could save the episode. Maybe the initial episode, the initial 116 00:06:49.680 --> 00:06:52.480 outfifties and is pretty rocking. I don't know that it's 117 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:55.360 the set design necessarily. I think the problem with the 118 00:06:55.360 --> 00:07:00.639 episode overall is well too. It's twofold. Michael Gorny is 119 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:03.560 one of the best cinematographers out there and one of 120 00:07:03.600 --> 00:07:06.959 the worst directors out there. How this is lit by 121 00:07:07.360 --> 00:07:13.000 a cinematographer who lit an entire mall is beyond me. 122 00:07:13.319 --> 00:07:16.879 Everything is over lit. It's particularly when we get to 123 00:07:16.920 --> 00:07:19.439 the vampire, which I like the design of the vampire, 124 00:07:19.480 --> 00:07:21.839 and that's Ed French, who is the makeup designer on 125 00:07:21.959 --> 00:07:24.759 the show, performing as the vampire, who's doing a really 126 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:29.319 bizarre performance. It's like it's genuinely frightening and you wouldn't 127 00:07:29.319 --> 00:07:31.879 want to be near that thing, but it's so overlt 128 00:07:31.920 --> 00:07:34.680 that you just see that it's all makeup. It's a drag, 129 00:07:34.759 --> 00:07:37.839 it's it's Rob Boteen running around on the thing set 130 00:07:37.879 --> 00:07:39.199 saying no, when you light it and we get some 131 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:41.680 gelatin on it, it's gonna look great. Yes, light it, 132 00:07:41.680 --> 00:07:44.560 put some gelatin on it. Do something, man. I noticed 133 00:07:44.680 --> 00:07:47.360 now this is the second Romero penned episode. I love 134 00:07:47.439 --> 00:07:49.720 George Ramiro, I love his screenplays. I don't like his 135 00:07:49.800 --> 00:07:54.079 short fiction because he falls immediately into the Ron Serling 136 00:07:54.160 --> 00:07:57.920 purple prose trap, the let me I don't know what 137 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:01.839 subtext is. I'm just gonna get the text. This reporter 138 00:08:01.879 --> 00:08:05.040 who's like, I've had it with you, Charlatan's and I 139 00:08:05.160 --> 00:08:10.240 get my kicks by exposing U's the only thing the think, Okay, 140 00:08:10.240 --> 00:08:11.879 we get it, we get it. We don't need much, 141 00:08:11.920 --> 00:08:14.279 we don't need anything. Honestly, he could just come to 142 00:08:14.279 --> 00:08:17.000 a performance and then snuck in after hours and then 143 00:08:17.240 --> 00:08:21.839 dunt dunt duho. But okay, here's another positive. I liked 144 00:08:21.879 --> 00:08:25.759 seeing the actual barrel on the platform with the wheels 145 00:08:25.759 --> 00:08:28.800 on it that you'd see in cartoons that sweep up 146 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:30.680 behind it. At one point, William McKey rolls one of 147 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:32.279 those out and I was like, I've never actually seen 148 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:32.600 one of those. 149 00:08:32.960 --> 00:08:34.919 What do you know that poor little guy that used 150 00:08:34.960 --> 00:08:38.000 to clean up after the whole circus Bullwinkle episodes. 151 00:08:38.080 --> 00:08:41.440 Yeah, exactly, that guy that was made flesh or steel 152 00:08:41.559 --> 00:08:43.840 or something wrong. It is a bit nail in the head. 153 00:08:43.919 --> 00:08:47.480 But I did like the effect at the very end 154 00:08:47.799 --> 00:08:52.559 that they Frankenstein the reporter's head onto the Frankenstein body. 155 00:08:52.879 --> 00:08:56.200 Just the way it was floating, it was very off putting, 156 00:08:56.360 --> 00:08:58.960 and I thought that was very effective, and I liked that. 157 00:08:59.120 --> 00:09:02.879 I also like the I mentioned the vampire that the 158 00:09:03.000 --> 00:09:06.879 vampire feasting scene is really grotesque and just made me think, 159 00:09:06.919 --> 00:09:09.440 like this is on it like Sunday night at seven pm, 160 00:09:09.559 --> 00:09:12.559 like Bravo everybody, like you're twisting everyone's mind in some 161 00:09:12.679 --> 00:09:16.360 small but overall there's no real story here. It's as 162 00:09:16.399 --> 00:09:20.559 we said, the guy who exposes things goes to the 163 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:23.919 wrong thing. We've seen it thousands of times at this point. 164 00:09:23.919 --> 00:09:26.360 There isn't gonna be an anthology series that won't do 165 00:09:26.480 --> 00:09:28.559 this story half a dozen times. Let me look at 166 00:09:28.600 --> 00:09:30.360 my nose if I have anything positive? 167 00:09:31.360 --> 00:09:34.039 Can we talk about Nanush for a little while, Go 168 00:09:34.120 --> 00:09:37.080 for itnush isn't okay, I'm done. 169 00:09:37.240 --> 00:09:39.759 Oh yeah, all right. I don't really have anything else 170 00:09:39.759 --> 00:09:43.159 to defend it. I am a little bit disappointed that 171 00:09:43.399 --> 00:09:45.879 it was Romero doing this writing and that one of 172 00:09:45.960 --> 00:09:50.559 Romero's main guys was doing the directing. But the performances 173 00:09:50.559 --> 00:09:51.200 are fine. 174 00:09:51.360 --> 00:09:51.679 I don't know. 175 00:09:51.759 --> 00:09:53.440 It's kind of creepy for a little bit. It's not 176 00:09:53.480 --> 00:09:54.919 the worst thing in the world. It is a bit 177 00:09:54.919 --> 00:09:58.039 of a blackout skitch. It really feels like a night Gallery. 178 00:09:58.200 --> 00:09:59.960 It feels like a modern night galler. 179 00:10:00.480 --> 00:10:04.799 We were complaining about how Night Gallery kept you classic monsters, 180 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:08.000 and they would have those Frankenstein skits all that. I 181 00:10:08.039 --> 00:10:11.120 was curious if there are William Hickey's in this episode, 182 00:10:11.120 --> 00:10:14.200 because there's when he's wearing that beautiful spangling shirt you're 183 00:10:14.200 --> 00:10:16.639 talking about, but then he comes out dressed as the 184 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:19.480 ring master and his hair is gone from that bleached 185 00:10:19.519 --> 00:10:23.039 white brown. So I'm like, is there a second William Hickey? 186 00:10:23.120 --> 00:10:24.000 But I don't know. 187 00:10:24.080 --> 00:10:26.480 I think he's like a Highlander, yeah, and I think 188 00:10:26.480 --> 00:10:29.840 that he's just he's one of the mystical circus people 189 00:10:30.200 --> 00:10:33.720 that we all know out there, like mister Dark, mister Niss. 190 00:10:33.759 --> 00:10:36.679 In this case, right, you really couldn't get but especially 191 00:10:36.759 --> 00:10:38.639 just being a he can play creep. 192 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:43.000 So well and eb amused. I love abused villain who 193 00:10:43.039 --> 00:10:45.279 knows more but doesn't care that you're hanging off and 194 00:10:45.320 --> 00:10:48.039 it's just enjoying the ride. That part of it's really good. 195 00:10:48.159 --> 00:10:50.279 I'm not gonna I'm not gonna say don't watch this episode, 196 00:10:50.360 --> 00:10:52.000 just gonna say don't seek it out. 197 00:10:52.320 --> 00:10:55.240 Yeah, remember Entails from the Crypt of the season, they 198 00:10:55.279 --> 00:10:56.879 had a circus episode. 199 00:10:56.399 --> 00:10:59.519 With Jet He's real gone with Joey Pants. 200 00:10:59.639 --> 00:11:01.720 I'm not sure sure I ever needed another's. 201 00:11:01.399 --> 00:11:02.360 Because it was so perfect. 202 00:11:02.639 --> 00:11:03.519 Hey, it was pretty good. 203 00:11:04.639 --> 00:11:07.879 What about Lower Birth where we learned the origin of 204 00:11:07.919 --> 00:11:08.600 the Cryptkeeper? 205 00:11:08.759 --> 00:11:12.679 Why would you eat? Would you even add that episode 206 00:11:12.720 --> 00:11:13.879 is bad and we both know it? 207 00:11:14.000 --> 00:11:16.720 Oh yeah, no, I remember it being terrible, So I. 208 00:11:16.639 --> 00:11:17.399 Was like, what about it? 209 00:11:17.399 --> 00:11:17.960 It's not good? 210 00:11:18.200 --> 00:11:20.480 Who thought they needed a Yeah, it was the origin 211 00:11:20.519 --> 00:11:22.799 story of the crypt Keep and then they'll dissolve cut 212 00:11:22.799 --> 00:11:25.399 it into the Cryptkeeper's face from the baby's face, and 213 00:11:25.440 --> 00:11:27.440 you're like, oh my god, it was the Cryptkeeper's origin. 214 00:11:27.519 --> 00:11:31.000 Still great? Wow, Yeah, that's a real thing. You can 215 00:11:31.039 --> 00:11:32.200 watch and Tales from the Crypt. 216 00:11:32.240 --> 00:11:35.080 I think season five oh, I think it's earlier than 217 00:11:35.120 --> 00:11:37.840 I think it's season three, and I think it's it 218 00:11:37.879 --> 00:11:39.360 was in the it was in one of the comics. 219 00:11:39.360 --> 00:11:40.120 That's an adaptation. 220 00:11:40.240 --> 00:11:41.840 Oh wow, yeah, yeah. 221 00:11:41.919 --> 00:11:42.039 No. 222 00:11:42.480 --> 00:11:44.720 The Frankenstein's Monster for me, I think is the step 223 00:11:44.759 --> 00:11:46.799 too far here because everything else is just like monsters. 224 00:11:46.840 --> 00:11:49.120 Then it's like, this is a literary monster. Guys, come up, 225 00:11:49.240 --> 00:11:49.960 you didn't love this. 226 00:11:50.600 --> 00:11:53.559 You didn't love his fake arm just flinging around wildly 227 00:11:53.879 --> 00:11:56.360 as pretending that it's not going to be ripped off. 228 00:11:56.399 --> 00:11:57.240 That was great. 229 00:11:57.679 --> 00:12:00.960 The singular saving grace is that this fat that's the 230 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:04.360 singular saving Kristen. Yeah, the William Hekey of it all 231 00:12:04.519 --> 00:12:05.200 can't do it not. 232 00:12:05.440 --> 00:12:09.480 Well, then we're moving on. This is season two, episode two. 233 00:12:09.879 --> 00:12:13.080 It's a season three episode two. I can't help saying 234 00:12:13.120 --> 00:12:16.919 goodbye ared Originally on October the fifth, nineteen eighty six. 235 00:12:17.080 --> 00:12:19.519 This one was written by Julie Selbo and directed by 236 00:12:19.600 --> 00:12:22.320 John Stizzick, starring Brian ben Ben. 237 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:25.440 This thank you You were gonna laugh when you. 238 00:12:25.720 --> 00:12:27.960 Oh no, yeah, you can't not laugh at Brian ben Ben. 239 00:12:27.960 --> 00:12:31.840 It's name Brian Benben, of course from Radio Land Murders 240 00:12:31.879 --> 00:12:35.960 and Be Wonderful. HBO early television series what was it 241 00:12:36.000 --> 00:12:39.679 called move On or something? Dream On, dream On, Oh 242 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:44.440 my God, developed by John landis the first schizophrenic television series. 243 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:46.919 This one is about a little girl who knows the 244 00:12:46.919 --> 00:12:49.639 fate of those around her before it happens. But is 245 00:12:49.679 --> 00:12:53.360 she just psychic or is it something more sinister? Tell me, Mike, 246 00:12:53.799 --> 00:12:55.240 it's not something more sinist. 247 00:12:55.279 --> 00:12:57.639 Can tell that people are gonna die. She can't cause 248 00:12:57.679 --> 00:13:00.440 people to die by goodbye. She just knows when they're going, 249 00:13:00.639 --> 00:13:03.799 even when her doll is going to be broken. That 250 00:13:03.879 --> 00:13:05.720 was such a gids to say goodbye to her. They 251 00:13:05.879 --> 00:13:09.279 really took a simple wretch did the hell out And boy, 252 00:13:09.320 --> 00:13:11.759 oh boy, I'm feeling those traps when it comes to this, 253 00:13:11.879 --> 00:13:14.399 And I almost wish I was watching the Terrestrial tele 254 00:13:14.600 --> 00:13:17.879 could see what those commercials were at the time, because 255 00:13:17.919 --> 00:13:20.440 I think I'd be more interested than this. This is 256 00:13:20.559 --> 00:13:24.639 perfectly serviceable. I found the acting to be pretty darn good. 257 00:13:25.120 --> 00:13:28.240 The Brian ben Ben does go over the top pretty 258 00:13:28.399 --> 00:13:31.240 quickly in it. As soon as he started sniffling and 259 00:13:31.279 --> 00:13:33.320 coughing and stuff, I was like, Oh, well he's gonna 260 00:13:33.360 --> 00:13:35.480 do and yeah, you can see all those twists and 261 00:13:35.519 --> 00:13:38.600 turns coming after the first goodbye that she gives to 262 00:13:38.679 --> 00:13:41.639 her grandmother, it's like, what the fuck is going on? 263 00:13:41.639 --> 00:13:44.159 Once you figure that out, it's like, oh, all right, 264 00:13:44.519 --> 00:13:46.759 And they try to throw a little bit of mystery 265 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.480 as far as can she control can she not? Of course, 266 00:13:49.519 --> 00:13:51.320 I got a little bit of them that she wish 267 00:13:51.399 --> 00:13:54.600 somebody into Cornfield if they're mean to her, But they 268 00:13:54.679 --> 00:13:57.639 quickly dissolve that, and they don't even make that a thing. 269 00:13:57.679 --> 00:14:01.120 After that, she confesses to her doll. Luckily we're there 270 00:14:01.200 --> 00:14:03.399 to know that she can't do that, and then she 271 00:14:03.440 --> 00:14:05.960 confesses to her sister right after. We're like all right. 272 00:14:06.279 --> 00:14:09.039 They kind of take the mystery on it. But overall 273 00:14:09.080 --> 00:14:11.080 I found it to be enjoyable. I just wish it 274 00:14:11.080 --> 00:14:13.240 was about half of how about you, Chris, what'd you think? 275 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:17.559 I am so I'm so disappointed that the ending of 276 00:14:17.600 --> 00:14:20.000 this episode is not as earned as it wishes it was, 277 00:14:20.039 --> 00:14:24.320 because the ending of this episode the fucking I laughed 278 00:14:24.320 --> 00:14:25.960 at the end of the episode more than anything else, 279 00:14:25.960 --> 00:14:28.720 because like, God, she's gonna kill her own sister. I 280 00:14:28.759 --> 00:14:32.440 guess right, yeah, right, it's gonna murder her younger sister. 281 00:14:32.559 --> 00:14:35.519 She's gonna drown her to death is the implication. I 282 00:14:35.679 --> 00:14:38.279 liked the ending. I think everything that came before the 283 00:14:38.360 --> 00:14:40.840 ending was pretty bad. It was I don't know what 284 00:14:40.840 --> 00:14:45.200 they were getting at. Yeah, when ben Ben has the inhaler, 285 00:14:45.240 --> 00:14:48.279 I was like, Oh, there's no way till more five 286 00:14:48.360 --> 00:14:51.000 minutes from the end. And then I wish that at 287 00:14:51.000 --> 00:14:52.919 the end of the episode they hadn't had the ominous 288 00:14:53.000 --> 00:14:55.759 music playing. The moment she handed her the dress, I 289 00:14:55.799 --> 00:14:58.159 was like, or the swim suit. Give it a moment. 290 00:14:58.360 --> 00:15:00.759 Give the audience a moment to come to their own 291 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:04.639 conclusion before you show the sister filling a was she 292 00:15:04.759 --> 00:15:09.159 filling an inner tube with quizz creek with sand? 293 00:15:09.240 --> 00:15:10.759 I didn't get that. I was like, how is that 294 00:15:10.759 --> 00:15:11.840 gonna make it sink? 295 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:14.279 I thought she was gonna fill up two little pails 296 00:15:14.320 --> 00:15:16.639 with like concrete stick her feet throw her into there. 297 00:15:16.720 --> 00:15:19.639 I don't know, it makes more sense than what we saw. 298 00:15:20.000 --> 00:15:22.360 She was waiting it down so it looked like it 299 00:15:22.399 --> 00:15:23.879 was filled with air, but it was actually going to 300 00:15:23.960 --> 00:15:26.679 be filled with sand. And then when she was in 301 00:15:26.720 --> 00:15:28.919 the water, she's going to toss her that inner tube, 302 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.399 which is going to effectively drag her to the bottom. 303 00:15:31.440 --> 00:15:32.840 But she could just let go. 304 00:15:33.159 --> 00:15:36.080 Yeah, of course it's probably more buoyant than that. Yeah. 305 00:15:36.559 --> 00:15:39.480 And they were just telegraphed as soon as the grandma 306 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:42.519 turned on the stove, Oh, that pilot lights out, and 307 00:15:42.559 --> 00:15:45.720 then they like keep going back to the stove. And 308 00:15:45.759 --> 00:15:47.720 I was like, yeah, I got it. 309 00:15:47.960 --> 00:15:49.000 I I'm good. 310 00:15:49.360 --> 00:15:52.919 You don't have to keep telling this. You're really telegraphing 311 00:15:52.960 --> 00:15:55.200 this stuff to me. I'm really okay. 312 00:15:55.279 --> 00:15:57.200 Yeah I was not. I was out of fanity. The 313 00:15:57.240 --> 00:16:00.519 episode had zero subtle subtlety. Have a fucking bull hammered. 314 00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:04.919 The complaint I had about Romero's Purple Prose that he 315 00:16:05.039 --> 00:16:08.559 had no subtext only text is just wildly off the 316 00:16:08.639 --> 00:16:12.240 charts here with Julie Soelbo's script the mom they soon 317 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:14.879 to be Dead Mom is an exposition machine. My god, 318 00:16:15.120 --> 00:16:17.879 it's so wonderful though, that this kid gets this power 319 00:16:18.240 --> 00:16:21.480 right about right before everyone in her life is about 320 00:16:21.519 --> 00:16:25.840 to die. Well, how many people there are they? Yeah, 321 00:16:25.960 --> 00:16:28.480 that's the thing. They could have played that a little 322 00:16:28.480 --> 00:16:30.919 bit more. It's like you said, they should have. They 323 00:16:30.960 --> 00:16:34.159 cut their lone legs out from under themselves by having 324 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:36.840 this girl confessed to the doll like she should have 325 00:16:36.919 --> 00:16:40.480 been maybe making some threats to people who are treating 326 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:42.960 her poorly and give us a chance to wonder whether 327 00:16:43.039 --> 00:16:44.720 or not she's a malevolent little fucker. 328 00:16:45.159 --> 00:16:48.480 Yeah. Half the episode should have, well maybe a third 329 00:16:48.519 --> 00:16:51.399 of the episode between two commercial should have been can 330 00:16:51.480 --> 00:16:54.080 this little girl this? And we better be fucking nice 331 00:16:54.120 --> 00:16:56.600 to her? That that whole idea of being nice to 332 00:16:56.600 --> 00:16:59.279 Billy move me away, that's what I was looking for this. 333 00:16:59.399 --> 00:17:01.879 I was like, Okay, now she's a show for. 334 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:04.480 That's what this show is known for for Fox at 335 00:17:04.559 --> 00:17:05.920 least these kinds of yeah. 336 00:17:05.960 --> 00:17:07.920 And then Kevin O'Connor comes in and be like. 337 00:17:07.880 --> 00:17:08.680 Oh, she's a fake. 338 00:17:08.839 --> 00:17:13.599 She's a horn area as Frank it's nine right, Yeah, 339 00:17:14.000 --> 00:17:20.680 there's fucking arms and everything. I will tell you that 340 00:17:20.799 --> 00:17:23.319 you're vague Gonzo he is. 341 00:17:23.640 --> 00:17:26.599 You know, you keep referencing the Cornfield episode of the 342 00:17:26.599 --> 00:17:29.279 Twilight Zone, And that's really appropriate because this feels like 343 00:17:29.319 --> 00:17:32.200 a Twilight Zone eighty five episode with a doll up 344 00:17:32.359 --> 00:17:34.000 of dark Side at the very end. 345 00:17:34.119 --> 00:17:37.400 Yeah, the last two really have man Like, if we're 346 00:17:37.400 --> 00:17:39.839 gonna say this skews in the direction of what bad 347 00:17:39.920 --> 00:17:43.039 show we've watched its twilights on, because it's not night Gallery. 348 00:17:43.240 --> 00:17:46.599 This is this feels like Peak Twilights out of Nowhere 349 00:17:46.720 --> 00:17:47.559 like an RKO. 350 00:17:47.839 --> 00:17:50.319 They don't seem to have their footing when it comes 351 00:17:50.319 --> 00:17:53.960 to something that isn't straight up horror. Yeah, anything that's 352 00:17:54.000 --> 00:17:58.400 fantasy or comedy related, they're just gonna stumble. But this 353 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:02.119 one at least veer directly into the horror. At the 354 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:05.440 I was writing the episode off entirely until she said 355 00:18:05.480 --> 00:18:10.799 let's go swimming. Ohly, what okay? Does it redeem the 356 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:14.400 whole thing? Probably not. I didn't like the exposition machines 357 00:18:14.440 --> 00:18:16.880 that every character seemed to be in the first act, 358 00:18:17.200 --> 00:18:21.799 and then, like you said that the telegraphing was absolutely absurd. 359 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.000 They might as well have just had Brian Benden like 360 00:18:24.160 --> 00:18:30.519 cough into a handkerchief and oh it's bloodstained. Oh a 361 00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:33.640 touch of that couch. Yeah, I mean they may as 362 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:36.240 well have. The other thing that was shocking about this 363 00:18:36.440 --> 00:18:38.200 you mentioned in the last one, like I was shocked 364 00:18:38.200 --> 00:18:41.160 to watch The Vampire or Eat the the Lamb at 365 00:18:41.160 --> 00:18:43.279 seven o'clock on a Sunday night and this. 366 00:18:43.240 --> 00:18:47.000 Is what kids watch this, This is a family show. Sorry. 367 00:18:47.319 --> 00:18:49.119 Yeah, like they were making fun of it. I think 368 00:18:49.200 --> 00:18:51.720 Romero was making doing that. The critics of that but 369 00:18:51.880 --> 00:18:55.599 here we got a little girl who like falls downstairs 370 00:18:55.640 --> 00:18:58.519 and died. Like they just can't sadie it and dump 371 00:18:58.559 --> 00:18:59.279 it on the couch. 372 00:18:59.559 --> 00:19:01.759 Oh that's the Yeah, that's Can we talk about that 373 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:04.559 for a second. A small child walks outside, They go, 374 00:19:04.680 --> 00:19:08.279 don't be careful, it's slippery. The child goes up, crunch, crunch. 375 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:12.720 You hear the neck break for bucks sake, show like 376 00:19:12.759 --> 00:19:15.680 a small less than ten year old child, and the 377 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:18.519 episode just like, and she's dead. Is that how this works? God? 378 00:19:18.680 --> 00:19:20.880 I guess so. I guess you could theoretically fall and 379 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:22.759 snap your neck on icy steps. 380 00:19:23.000 --> 00:19:24.000 Oh yeah, of course. 381 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:27.559 Episode yes, so, but good god, episode like, I didn't 382 00:19:27.559 --> 00:19:29.640 need to see it and I didn't need to hear it. 383 00:19:29.920 --> 00:19:32.079 But it's it goes for it, and it's again it 384 00:19:32.079 --> 00:19:34.480 feels a little unearned because the episode just never gets 385 00:19:34.519 --> 00:19:36.440 back to that level of kind of shock. 386 00:19:36.799 --> 00:19:38.720 Well it does right at the fucking end. It does. 387 00:19:39.359 --> 00:19:41.720 Yeah, but that's but that's it, and it's not enough. 388 00:19:42.200 --> 00:19:45.359 I disagree with you. I think those shocks are perfectly 389 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:48.079 in line with the dark Side tradition. I just think 390 00:19:48.079 --> 00:19:50.480 whatever is what the rest of that's hung around it 391 00:19:50.519 --> 00:19:53.680 is not great. If they had hung up more Night Gallery. 392 00:19:53.720 --> 00:19:55.720 Unless Twilight Zone on this we would have had a 393 00:19:55.720 --> 00:19:57.119 fucking corker of an episode. 394 00:19:57.200 --> 00:19:59.039 I do like that shot at the water rising. 395 00:19:59.319 --> 00:20:02.000 Oh that's good. Yeah, I didn't mention that that was 396 00:20:02.160 --> 00:20:03.160 interesting and fun. 397 00:20:03.240 --> 00:20:07.240 Yeah, got her got her own ass. 398 00:20:08.119 --> 00:20:10.160 Her sister is going to drown her and she is 399 00:20:10.240 --> 00:20:17.240 resigned to that fate. Yeah, speak everybody, Yeah, hey, pretty 400 00:20:17.319 --> 00:20:20.720 much anything else on this one? All right? Then on 401 00:20:20.759 --> 00:20:22.839